Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi, everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.
Speaker 1: You guys, be prepared, Be prepared. This is wild. Uh
Speaker 1: Tori spelling?
Speaker 2: Hi? Oh my god, I've never heard you say my
Speaker 2: full name.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: That was so weird. No, it's usually tour. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: got you out of bed, very happy about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to I want to ask you because
Speaker 1: I'm curious because I know that you're like very thoughtful
Speaker 1: about how you present stuff and do things. You don't
Speaker 1: just do things randomly in your professional personal life, maybe
Speaker 1: a little random, questionable, much like me. So, why did
Speaker 1: you choose to do your podcast from your bed?
Speaker 2: Oh? So, here's not the thought out answer. It just happened.
Speaker 2: The first one we did, the first episod so at
Speaker 2: the Beverly Hills Hotel and the bed was the only option.
Speaker 2: But then I liked it. It felt intimate. Yah, I
Speaker 2: like it. Okay, so I'm gonna continue. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Being in the bed, it probably makes you because it
Speaker 1: feels more intimate, probably makes you feel safer, like you
Speaker 1: can be a safer but a little bit more raw
Speaker 1: and vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Correct. All right, So now now I approve of the bed.
Speaker 2: I want I should at your dining room table at
Speaker 2: the head of it. But at least you gave me
Speaker 2: one I did well, you know.
Speaker 1: So you and I very recently flew back from Pittsburgh together.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: My friend has a plane and he was gracious enough
Speaker 1: because it was my birthday weekend to fly me there
Speaker 1: and fly a couple of us back.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Because we talked a lot, I kind of was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's all the points that we wanted to talk about,
Speaker 1: So we're kind of gonna relive some of the plane.
Speaker 2: First of all, that plain experience was amazing. Yep, that
Speaker 2: was so good. It's yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we were talking about our friends, probably some
Speaker 1: of our listeners.
Speaker 2: We'll remember.
Speaker 1: Lots of photos paparazzi photos of the two of us
Speaker 1: out and about I mean, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: We hit it very hard. Oh my gosh, Roxbury bar One. Wait,
Speaker 2: can I take it back to the beginning. Yeah, please
Speaker 2: do going out. Remember the rat party for the pilot
Speaker 2: I believe it was at Spago, and you and I
Speaker 2: went and got our hair done that day at the
Speaker 2: salon that was at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I don't
Speaker 2: remember that. We got our hair done and we went
Speaker 2: and I think it was at Spago. I know it
Speaker 2: was at Spago because there's more to this. We went
Speaker 2: there and at the time, I was like Brian, Brian, Brian.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a time when I was like Brian, Brian Brian,
Speaker 2: But anyway, and he was going to go with us,
Speaker 2: and then he didn't end up and I was like spiraling,
Speaker 2: like I thought he liked. We didn't eat as usual,
Speaker 2: like we drank. I was underage, though, yes, so were you.
Speaker 2: Yes we both were correct. Listen, that's what teenagers do.
Speaker 2: You know, They sneak their parents sherry or like whatever
Speaker 2: is around the house. I'm kids. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: you should be doing this obviously, but you know, especially
Speaker 2: not sharing well. I mean, but we were starring on
Speaker 2: a show. It was your show, basically you and Jason,
Speaker 2: and we were there as filler at the moment. But
Speaker 2: they didn't stop us from drinking alcohol at the cast party,
Speaker 2: and they were all excited, and I don't think anyone
Speaker 2: looked at anything anyway. I ended up not eating and
Speaker 2: I was plumbing that, like, oh my god, Brian Austin
Speaker 2: Green doesn't like me. What do I do? What do
Speaker 2: I do? And I just remember we ended up in
Speaker 2: the stall at Spago and you were holding my hair
Speaker 2: and I was puking up their infamous pasta. That's how
Speaker 2: I know it was Spago. Yeah, and you were just
Speaker 2: like there were noodles just coming out and You're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. Yeah. So I guess I did eat
Speaker 2: something but hadn't even. I just right and drank a
Speaker 2: lot and then I had to get home, and I
Speaker 2: feel like my parents wanted to ground me, but I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm on a hit show, like it's just
Speaker 2: like it just launched, and like this is cool and
Speaker 2: like okay, but I'm really just a sixteen year old girl,
Speaker 2: and now I'm being grounded because I puked.
Speaker 1: Fair enough that you got grounded fair enough. And I
Speaker 1: think I was seventeen and a half or just from
Speaker 1: eighteen on the pilot, so I should have been grounded
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: But even they tried to my dad probably was like, Babe, jam.
Speaker 1: Maybe we weren't. I wasn't hanging out at the manor
Speaker 1: as much yet yet. It was during season one and
Speaker 1: season two that I think I stayed at the manor
Speaker 1: equally as much as you stayed at my house. Correct,
Speaker 1: And we would often walk into the manor. First off,
Speaker 1: two things that always stood out to me about the
Speaker 1: manor was a walking in and was it nan nanny
Speaker 1: you made the food? She always left like cookies for
Speaker 1: us in late the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember this.
Speaker 1: She always loved food and she knew I was always
Speaker 1: hungry super late at night, so she always left me.
Speaker 1: She loved you, and I loved her too. She was
Speaker 1: so special and took such good care of me whenever
Speaker 1: I was there. She would like leave waters out for
Speaker 1: us and just really try to make sure that we
Speaker 1: were okay. So that's always very memorable to me. But
Speaker 1: then one of the times we went on the elevator
Speaker 1: to go upstairs, and do you remember the elevator doors
Speaker 1: open on the second floor and your mother was standing
Speaker 1: there staring at us in the elevator, and we we.
Speaker 2: Started laughing so hard, like we could not. She always
Speaker 2: waited up for us, but she was mad.
Speaker 1: She was mad we were later than normal and she
Speaker 1: was not happy about it.
Speaker 2: And she was right.
Speaker 1: The thing was like, we needed to at least call
Speaker 1: and let someone know that we were going to be
Speaker 1: that late or take security or like something.
Speaker 2: But I was petrified. But you were a year and
Speaker 2: a half older. That was your responsibility, right technically, but
Speaker 2: I had also never been out. I love that You're
Speaker 2: like we didn't call like she was like, it was
Speaker 2: both of us, but it was That's how my parents
Speaker 2: felt about Shan Like it was like literally, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was their kids, it was both of us were supposed
Speaker 2: to call it.
Speaker 1: We had a responsibility, and when neither one of us
Speaker 1: did it, Candy would get upset. Yeah, fair enough that
Speaker 1: she got upset. God, those were like wild times. And
Speaker 1: those infamous photos of I said to Roxbury with Brian
Speaker 1: and Marky Mark flipping off the photographers and then just
Speaker 1: other ones of us walking out again laughing. I think
Speaker 1: you and I for two seasons did a lot of
Speaker 1: laughing until we didn't because of boyfriends. Fair a lot
Speaker 1: of laughing, a lot of laughing for the soul. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were best friends. We were sisters, correct, like hardcore sisters.
Speaker 1: And I know your dad got really upset with me
Speaker 1: about something and I told this story when Brian I think,
Speaker 1: was on the podcast and and I came to your
Speaker 1: house and security didn't really want to let me in
Speaker 1: because your dad was super mad at me. But your
Speaker 1: mom saw me. I guess I'm like cameras, so she
Speaker 1: told him to let me in, and then she waited
Speaker 1: for me, you know how like you pulled in guard
Speaker 1: gate and then he pulled the left, and I pulled
Speaker 1: to the right and parking right there, and the door
Speaker 1: would go into like the hallway and then the kitchen right.
Speaker 1: So your mom was standing there waiting for me again,
Speaker 1: and she said, I don't care what is ever happening
Speaker 1: between you and my husband. You're always welcome to my
Speaker 1: home and hugs me and I she never said that
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: She was the favorite child, so that's that's okay. You
Speaker 2: were daddy's girl, fair, Yeah, you were daddy's girl. So
Speaker 2: we were you know, listen, if you were late, I
Speaker 2: was late. If I was like you were late, yep,
Speaker 2: because we were always together and and we were definitely
Speaker 2: late a few times. Yes, And some cast members didn't
Speaker 2: really like that, which I understand as well, but I
Speaker 2: always got the brunt of it you did because they're
Speaker 2: not going to say something to the producer's daughter, correct,
Speaker 2: And at the time that is something that I didn't
Speaker 2: see right because I couldn't you know, I was in it.
Speaker 2: It was hard to see. And I prided myself when
Speaker 2: I started that show being on time because I was like,
Speaker 2: everyone's going to hate me. I'm the producer's daughter. I
Speaker 2: have to be on time. And then you know, we
Speaker 2: all got comfortable and we got this big life suddenly
Speaker 2: that exploded quickly. Yes, and we were young, Like when
Speaker 2: you're that young, you don't have I don't think you
Speaker 2: have the mental capacity to fully process what's happening in
Speaker 2: a really healthy way. You can't. Possibly. We weren't developed.
Speaker 2: We were teenagers my kids' ages, you know, And I
Speaker 2: can't imagine the responsibility that we had giving to my kids,
Speaker 2: my fifteen six year old right now, and like come
Speaker 2: to Harold and I'm like, whoa, can we go back
Speaker 2: to the Brian market mark picture real quick? So that picture,
Speaker 2: like it was different back then. You guys like paparazzi
Speaker 2: didn't follow you everywhere. They would be at like certain
Speaker 2: places like nightclubs, restaurants, and they would say do you
Speaker 2: mind taking a picture? They would ask you usually when
Speaker 2: you came in or out, but that day they were
Speaker 2: like ravenous because it was the four of us. We
Speaker 2: were up in the VIP room. We thought it was
Speaker 2: blacked out windows correct, and someone's like, oh, they're taking pictures.
Speaker 2: Were like, oh, whatever, and we flipped them off all
Speaker 2: four of us and the four of us at the
Speaker 2: same time because we were like, they can't see this meanwhile,
Speaker 2: full on picture like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And went everywhere, everywhere, absolutely everywhere. There's only one other
Speaker 1: picture from nine oh to and oho that I remember
Speaker 1: went everywhere was Jason and I making out at like
Speaker 1: an after party for an award show, and that thing
Speaker 1: went everywhere too, and I was like, oh, I'm making
Speaker 1: out with my brother.
Speaker 2: This is not good. It was always hot when that happened.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we had a ridiculous amount of fun
Speaker 1: we did. And again like sisters, like best friends. And
Speaker 1: then I remember you had We both got boyfriends that
Speaker 1: ended up being friends and they weren't great, No, they
Speaker 1: were not good. Both had a lot of issues. They
Speaker 1: were better to each other than they were to us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so good thing. And I think what we were trying
Speaker 1: to figure out on the plane is what was the
Speaker 1: pivotal moment that because it's like one minute we were friends,
Speaker 1: and then one minute we weren't. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: I think from my perspective as I was looking in now,
Speaker 1: being an outsider, I saw that you were swayed by
Speaker 1: two certain individuals, and particularly one and it.
Speaker 2: Was I'm swear huh you know I'm as swear. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: my downfall. Yeah yeah, you were always easily swayed.
Speaker 1: And it was very frustrating for me because I always
Speaker 1: used to tell you, like now tour have an opinion,
Speaker 1: like you're smart, you're funny, you're talented. I loved you
Speaker 1: and I respected you, and I wanted you to believe
Speaker 1: in yourself as much as I believed in you. So
Speaker 1: then seeing you like get swayed and our friendship ending.
Speaker 1: But we on the plane, we're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what was the weak point where you were able to
Speaker 1: be swayed, and and I kind of just went, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't keep fighting for this. And I think it
Speaker 1: was your boyfriend. Really, I do I think he was
Speaker 1: because he was he was abusive, abusive, and I, yeah,
Speaker 1: like very believed physically. I remember we went to Mexico
Speaker 1: with our boyfriends pictures, and I mean Mexico. You know
Speaker 1: you called me crying, like from your room, and you
Speaker 1: came to my room, and there was a point I
Speaker 1: specifically remember looking at you and saying, you have to
Speaker 1: end it with him or I'm going to actually kill him,
Speaker 1: Like I can't, I can't stand by and watch this.
Speaker 2: So I could be in jail.
Speaker 1: And all I can think is that because you you
Speaker 1: didn't break out with him, you you stayed and you
Speaker 1: got tortured for a little bit longer. But did I wait,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to but we sort of started drifting apart.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know, you started listening to those other people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was. There were so many
Speaker 1: really interesting moments about like that time in the show
Speaker 1: and in our relationship, because there was this whole conversation
Speaker 1: about what to buy the crew for Christmas as a cast,
Speaker 1: and somebody, one of the cast members, suggested a van
Speaker 1: that we would then donate to charity, like we were used
Speaker 1: a van and we would all, you know, donate like
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars for the van and then donate it
Speaker 1: to charity in the name of the crew. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll just donate money directly to a charity.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not doing this to my crew, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what does that get them?
Speaker 2: Gets them?
Speaker 1: You know, they want a party, they want T shirts,
Speaker 1: they want hats, they want you know, a DVD player
Speaker 1: if there were DVDs back then. Maybe they were laser
Speaker 1: disc I don't know, but like or vhs things Walkman
Speaker 1: Walkman's But and I remember we ended up still doing
Speaker 1: a party and the crew was so thankful that they
Speaker 1: got to like just hang out and let loose and
Speaker 1: have free drinks and free food and a DJ and
Speaker 1: like party and have fun. But I know that that
Speaker 1: caused a huge rift between me and three of the
Speaker 1: cast members.
Speaker 2: Let's all coming back, is it okay? So tell me
Speaker 2: what's coming back to you. I don't know. I remember
Speaker 2: that particular moment that I was really conflicted because I
Speaker 2: had everyone coming at me like to be on this
Speaker 2: side or that side? Is like why? And it was
Speaker 2: one against many and I was young and young you
Speaker 2: know what? Fuck that? Sorry, I got easily swayed. It's
Speaker 2: not about being young. I'm going to be accountable and
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I fucking bought into it. So I
Speaker 2: was probably like cool, Van rocks. I don't want to
Speaker 2: do the van. No, I think we talked about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do the van, and it's just
Speaker 2: did the van happen? It happened, did happen? Hm?
Speaker 1: I don't think I put money into the van because
Speaker 1: I was I was very resolute in treating my crew
Speaker 1: the right way.
Speaker 2: Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't need this feel good moment of like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I've donated charity. Like again, I do a lot of
Speaker 1: charity work, and I donate a lot of money to charities,
Speaker 1: and you always did and I always did. So I
Speaker 1: was like, well, why don't you just find a charity
Speaker 1: that you believe in and donate some of your paycheck
Speaker 1: and then let's let a crew that's not making the
Speaker 1: same amount of money, right that we make something, get
Speaker 1: something that they're actually going to jury worked hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: So I think that was a big moment. And then
Speaker 1: there was another big moment where.
Speaker 2: We skipped over boyfriends.
Speaker 1: No we're not no, no, okay, there was another because
Speaker 1: it all ties together. So the other moment was when
Speaker 1: Jason Luke and I did the cover Rolling Stone. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to jog your memory. I came into work, Yes,
Speaker 1: so do the boys. Yes, we were all there. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I was in my dress room and there was
Speaker 1: a knock on my door and there were several cast members.
Speaker 2: They dragged you into it as well. Me.
Speaker 1: Yes, granted care, I know you didn't care, okay, and
Speaker 1: set me down and said that I should not be
Speaker 1: doing covers without the entire cast, that I should have
Speaker 1: said no to Rolling Stone Magazine. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why because you were the female, because I was probably
Speaker 1: the one that they thought that would listen. I don't
Speaker 1: really know they didn't say it to the boys because
Speaker 1: I checked with Luke and Jason afterwards. I was like,
Speaker 1: did you guys get harassed about And I spoke off
Speaker 1: for myself and said, you guys are nuts. This is
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone Magazine. I'm not saying no to Rolling Stone Magazine,
Speaker 1: like there's no way, Nor am I saying no to
Speaker 1: Fox when they asked me to do publicity.
Speaker 2: I'm saying yes. But that was another huge moment I
Speaker 2: didn't I was there. I'm sorry you were.
Speaker 1: Granted, it was three like a wall in front of me,
Speaker 1: and you were kind of like in the back, like
Speaker 1: sort of standing there. You had this look of pure
Speaker 1: fear deer call in headlights, and.
Speaker 2: I felt really bad for you.
Speaker 1: But I also was like, Montana, speak up for me,
Speaker 1: speak up, speak up, speak.
Speaker 2: Up like I couldn't. I'm sorry you couldn't.
Speaker 1: That's fine, Like I'm listen, We're a lot older, we've
Speaker 1: been through stuff, but you know, I.
Speaker 2: Still can't speak cook for myself sometimes. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: at fifty.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if it was those two moments
Speaker 1: on set, if it was your boyfriend, I can't recall
Speaker 1: the exact riff, but I'm thinking all of those things
Speaker 1: sort of collided at one time then, and maybe it
Speaker 1: was just so much pressure from other people that you know,
Speaker 1: the friendship just dissipated and then you gravitated towards others.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You know, when things go down
Speaker 2: you're in a bad relationship, you have two types of friends.
Speaker 2: Ones that well, they all say we don't like them.
Speaker 2: They tell you. There's ones that will kind of go
Speaker 2: along with it in front of the bad boyfriend, and
Speaker 2: ones that are like no. I felt like that time,
Speaker 2: like Jen would always be like like screaming at him,
Speaker 2: and it put me in a bad position. And because
Speaker 2: he would afterwards take it out of me. You know,
Speaker 2: she didn't have to go home with him. I did.
Speaker 2: And I feel like you walked the line of talking
Speaker 2: me through what I should do, but being okay to
Speaker 2: his face so that I didn't get further verbillian physically abuse. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you have a boyfriend that's that volatile.
Speaker 2: You handled it right because he likes me, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean otherwise he definitely would have taken it out
Speaker 2: on you, correct when I'm not present to stop him.
Speaker 2: And that was something I didn't want to do, which
Speaker 2: many times I called on you and he's like, you
Speaker 2: have to come to the apartment now, and I did always,
Speaker 2: always and get me. When you were with it, I
Speaker 2: felt like, was I still.
Speaker 1: I don't know you weren't You were not really present
Speaker 1: when I was with because that was third season, and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe part of it was I was
Speaker 1: in your house.
Speaker 2: I was with you guys.
Speaker 1: I slept over, but not a lot, and I think
Speaker 1: I was hiding so much of what was happening in
Speaker 1: that relationship. Yeah, because it felt odd to have lectured
Speaker 1: you and been like, I'm going to kill him if
Speaker 1: you don't leave him, and then I find myself in
Speaker 1: a very similar situation as you did.
Speaker 2: But you know, I got to be honest. I also
Speaker 2: was like, how how is she not noticing certain things?
Speaker 3: You know? For me?
Speaker 1: And especially because at that point in time, you had,
Speaker 1: you know, gravitated completely towards Jenny, who didn't have messy
Speaker 1: of a life, you know, or seemingly didn't have as
Speaker 1: messy of a life, and mine was for sure messy.
Speaker 1: Yours was messy. It might have just been easier to
Speaker 1: be with someone who you know, appeared a little bit
Speaker 1: stay more stable, if you will.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was that. So what was it?
Speaker 2: I think when I was young? I think I it
Speaker 2: was whoever was the alpha more at the moment would
Speaker 2: sway me right? And I think I couldn't stand up
Speaker 2: for myself. I couldn't. Yeah, I didn't take ownership of anything.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, nice, nice, nice to everyone.
Speaker 2: But it's like, like you said, have a fucking opinion
Speaker 2: about something, and I'm sure I did. I just didn't.
Speaker 2: How did I not notice what was happening? Though? That's
Speaker 2: the key thing here, right, because I mean, and there
Speaker 2: was a lot of things to notice.
Speaker 1: One was, you know, that had a severe drug problem, correct,
Speaker 1: and when when it went overboard, he was you know,
Speaker 1: pretty abusive. And I would show up to work, you know,
Speaker 1: four hours late because I was wrecked, I mean like
Speaker 1: physically wrecked, and my dad would have to come and
Speaker 1: get me out of the house. And and I've talked
Speaker 1: about this before on the podcast because it felt very
Speaker 1: odd to me that like, no one I talked to
Speaker 1: Jason about it, that no one like paid close enough
Speaker 1: attention to each other. Yea, yeah, and I might be
Speaker 1: guilty of that too, right. I paid very close attention
Speaker 1: to you. I paid really close attention to Brian and
Speaker 1: a Luke because that was you know, my circle. And
Speaker 1: Luke and I had our super combative moments, and but
Speaker 1: it always ended up in like a loving moment. So
Speaker 1: you guys would scream at each other. My god, we
Speaker 1: would scream at each other and then we would beg Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like a real boyfriend girl from relationship. It
Speaker 1: was so weird or brother infamous moment in the peach Pit.
Speaker 1: Do you remember pants down Day and what happened?
Speaker 2: No, the fight outside that started inside on the set,
Speaker 2: I don't remember inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a you know, do you remember
Speaker 1: that we would have that someone would always do like
Speaker 1: pants down, like pants the crew.
Speaker 2: Nope, God, I'm gonna have to get some crew members
Speaker 2: on here. You would have days where it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, pants down days. Cool. Yeah, So that that
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: Started that that fight, because I knew the crew was
Speaker 1: pretty irritated by it. And and you know, Ginny always
Speaker 1: wore boxer shorts underneath her skirts, like the Calvin klinb
Speaker 1: men's white right, So I didn't think it was a
Speaker 1: big deal that I did skirt up day because she
Speaker 1: always found on the boxer shorts.
Speaker 2: But she didn't like it, that's fine. But it just spiraled,
Speaker 2: spiraled and spilled outside, and uh, you know, Brian and
Speaker 2: I and you were like screaming for us to stop,
Speaker 2: and you told the boys to help, and they broke
Speaker 2: us up and held us back, and then you know,
Speaker 2: we marched our separate ways. But oh, I'm seeing it now.
Speaker 2: It's kind of hot if I think about it right now.
Speaker 2: Stop it. The entire thing got blamed on me, like
Speaker 2: there was no there was no you're right, yeah, there
Speaker 2: was no Like two people got in a fight, two
Speaker 2: people yelled at each other, two people said you know,
Speaker 2: horrible things to each other. I had my hair ripped
Speaker 2: out with grip tape, like there was I've, you know,
Speaker 2: photos of it. I even tried to show, like Paul Wagner,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what happened to me, Like
Speaker 2: are you kidding? But it was.
Speaker 1: I think at that point it was so easy to
Speaker 1: blame me. You and I weren't really tight anymore, and
Speaker 1: so I think everybody felt that. There were some people,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say everybody, there were some people
Speaker 1: that felt I didn't have this sort of protection of
Speaker 1: the producer's daughter being my best friend. It was it
Speaker 1: was like all of a sudden, I became open game.
Speaker 1: And then I heard an interview that I think you did,
Speaker 1: and somebody told me about it. I did not hear it,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to quote you, but it'll jog
Speaker 1: your memory.
Speaker 2: That you said.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was responsible for Shannon getting fired
Speaker 1: to a certain degree because I told my dad about
Speaker 1: the fight and said something had to happen or whatever.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that interview? I do, but I feel
Speaker 2: like the fight wasn't what led to firing. I think
Speaker 2: it was a I would love to know the time
Speaker 2: what because where I said it came right after the fight.
Speaker 2: That is that really? Brian said that shortly after I
Speaker 2: would love a timeline all set down.
Speaker 1: That you guys all set down in Paul Wagner's office,
Speaker 1: which is totally a different day. Though totally different day. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because it took time to organize everyone, like your dad
Speaker 1: was on a phone call conference call with that with
Speaker 1: you guys, not with us. I wasn't invited. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what Brice said on the podcast.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty good with memory. I don't remember
Speaker 2: it that way. What happened that morning that it all
Speaker 2: went down that day was, Yeah, it was the makeup trailer.
Speaker 2: There was you were late and I am burst in correct,
Speaker 2: I know I'm trying to protect people, and it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I am burst in.
Speaker 1: He didn't notice that my makeup artist was trying to
Speaker 1: cover up all this regulation marks on my neck.
Speaker 2: So yes, that was the day that I was four
Speaker 2: hours late. And then he said, yes, well, was that
Speaker 2: the day called me the C word and a lot
Speaker 2: of other things. By the way, I love Ian you guys,
Speaker 2: so yeah, they're like, like, we love ion and there's
Speaker 2: no hard feeling. Many years ago you guys thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: And also those things that you know, people did not know.
Speaker 2: I did not share, and so people did not know,
Speaker 2: you know, why was Shannon four hours late? Like I wasn't,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, when I was late, you were late.
Speaker 2: When you were late. I was late because we always
Speaker 2: drove into work together. When we were always together, and
Speaker 2: then overs like yeah, and then with.
Speaker 1: The you know that time period, if I was late,
Speaker 1: it was because I was you know, injured or trying
Speaker 1: to get somebody to like.
Speaker 3: Get sober. There was an assumption at the time was
Speaker 3: that you were, you know, out partying out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the assumption that they made without
Speaker 2: asking you, like what's going on? So I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they but that day he walked, that was the day.
Speaker 2: So you came in on one side of the trailer,
Speaker 2: he came in the other, and we were all in
Speaker 2: between and the makeup chairs, and that's the day he said,
Speaker 2: you're scun t And then he said, can't understand normal
Speaker 2: thinking because we were all like what you just said her,
Speaker 2: And then he clarified quickly, can't understand normal thinking. And
Speaker 2: I was sitting there just it was terrified. I was
Speaker 2: sitting in the chair. When I heard him scream, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. And all I could think
Speaker 2: at the time is I knew that was going to
Speaker 2: fire you up because you don't take shit from anyone,
Speaker 2: so it's not like you're going to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: You're going to come back, which is what I love
Speaker 2: about you. And I was like, oh god, oh man,
Speaker 2: what's this. Oh this isn't good, especially because of me.
Speaker 1: How fucked up I was like, and not drunk, fucked up,
Speaker 1: but oh just not fucked up. I had literally been
Speaker 1: up all night with someone on crystal mess crack like
Speaker 1: everything he can put on his body, who then went
Speaker 1: ballistic on me. I had an ear drum that was
Speaker 1: like bleeding. My father was freaking out. I thought my
Speaker 1: dad was going to go over there and like murder him.
Speaker 1: So for Ian to like come at me, for no
Speaker 1: one to be like he didn't know, Hey, what are
Speaker 1: his knops on your neck?
Speaker 2: Like why? Why is your ear got blood dripping from it?
Speaker 1: Like for no one to notice, for no one to
Speaker 1: be like, okay, hold on, maybe this is something a
Speaker 1: lot different. Maybe we should actually ask her if she's okay.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should ask like, hey, what happened? Like, you're
Speaker 1: four hours late, maybe it was only three. I'm going
Speaker 1: to just boost it the top number of four hours.
Speaker 1: And it really messes up all of our days and
Speaker 1: to you, you know, for Ian it was messing up
Speaker 1: like another job he had to get off work to
Speaker 1: go to another job, like a voiceover thing that he had.
Speaker 1: Both right, so I understood, but I think when he
Speaker 1: came at me like that in that moment, I was
Speaker 1: just so upset that somebody else was coming at me
Speaker 1: and loosed another yeah, and that nobody and particularly that
Speaker 1: your man was now yelling at me and nobody was
Speaker 1: getting my back that I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not having it rightfully. So by the ways,
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