Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: Podcast, Welcome to and that's what you were in this
Speaker 1: podcast the very special guest edition Kevin. Who do we
Speaker 1: have today?
Speaker 3: Oh? My god, we have.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: This person worked, I mean maybe harder than anyone on
Speaker 2: the show. She had to put up with us after
Speaker 2: the long hours. She is famous in the Glee world
Speaker 2: for making all of the behind the scenes content. It
Speaker 2: is the one and only Kaylin Gorman.
Speaker 1: She'd have the chase after us in between scenes, like
Speaker 1: do you want to do SOMEPN And you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad she did, because I truly said that,
Speaker 1: like it's a moment in time that we have forever now,
Speaker 1: even as tired as we were, but we were goofy
Speaker 1: in some of those she spills the tea and she
Speaker 1: also it's such so interesting what her job consisted of
Speaker 1: and all the things, the kind of steps that she
Speaker 1: had to take, and it's a really interesting conversation.
Speaker 3: So I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: And how much Ryan Murphy trusted her. She is so
Speaker 2: good at her job and it's just a special and
Speaker 2: kind person. This is Kaylyn Gorman.
Speaker 1: Welcome Kaylin. So good to see you. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being with us.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm just so excited. When you messaged
Speaker 5: me and was like, do you want to be on
Speaker 5: the plot? I was like, oh, I was like, would
Speaker 5: see who was on? I was like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 5: makes way more sense than me. So I go, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, we just got to spread it out.
Speaker 2: You are Glee Royalty and yeah, like the at all.
Speaker 2: What we know from like the fans doing this is
Speaker 2: that the things you made are very near and dear
Speaker 2: and beloved by all the fans. Still, yes, say yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think people don't know probably the amount of work,
Speaker 2: the amount of time you spent on set.
Speaker 5: Oh no, it was what I think about it all
Speaker 5: the time too for you guys, because I'm like, I
Speaker 5: don't think people understood, and even people I think at
Speaker 5: Fox didn't understand what your guys' schedules were. Like you're
Speaker 5: learning lines, you're learning choreography sometimes for two different episodes
Speaker 5: at the same time, you're you know, having to you
Speaker 5: had so much on your plates, and then you're recording
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, it's like I'm on set,
Speaker 5: like hey, or during your.
Speaker 4: One break and talk to me and you guys see
Speaker 4: so great.
Speaker 1: We use these as reference a lot for our recaps too,
Speaker 1: because it gives us like a window into where we
Speaker 1: were in our number one mental state and also like
Speaker 1: what we were doing in the episode. So sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a really good memory jogger as well as just like
Speaker 1: fun to watch ourselves at that in that moment in time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a tough thing to do the ePK
Speaker 1: with you and do all these other things. And but
Speaker 1: I'm okay, So for our listeners, can you kind of
Speaker 1: explain what your job was and how how it all
Speaker 1: like what you did?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: My brother, by the way, who worked in entertainment, said,
Speaker 5: you do promos, right, And I'm like, I don't. No
Speaker 5: one ever could have explain or understand. I worked at
Speaker 5: Fox the network, and I was in charge of all
Speaker 5: the content, the behind the scenes content for a Glee.
Speaker 5: I came during the pilot and covered every single episode
Speaker 5: up through season five.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: And like on the bigger episodes like Madonna or whatever,
Speaker 5: I was there sometimes two or three times so and
Speaker 5: every it kind of evolved, but when it landed, it
Speaker 5: became each episode got a sneak peek which was like
Speaker 5: a minute or less, and then after the episode it
Speaker 5: would be like a two or three minute piece, which,
Speaker 5: by the way, now is crazy because that is so long.
Speaker 5: Totally when you're watching a three minute piece, even if
Speaker 5: you love it, it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of like uh huh. But anyway, yeah, but it
Speaker 4: and those those videos would get like eight million views
Speaker 4: and then would continue to get views.
Speaker 5: I mean, oh and still by the way, because the
Speaker 5: fans like ripped them and then reposted them and then
Speaker 5: they get more views there. And so I don't even
Speaker 5: I think it's incalculable.
Speaker 4: No, that's not the word, don't use.
Speaker 5: You can't really calculate at this point, all these years later,
Speaker 5: like how many views.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the cumulative views over time, ripped, ripped upon, ripped.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And sometimes I go to look for them just
Speaker 5: and and.
Speaker 4: I can't find them.
Speaker 5: So I have to kind of think, like, okay, like
Speaker 5: there's this behind this. I took I did one the
Speaker 5: outtakes from all the interviews, and I called it Glee
Speaker 5: Say what, So I it was there for a long
Speaker 5: time and then suddenly I guess Fox took it down
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 4: So then I couldn't fit.
Speaker 5: So it's now I think it's Glee interview. Bloopers is
Speaker 5: what you search, and then it's that which I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh I love bloopers.
Speaker 5: I think from I haven't even explained what I did.
Speaker 5: So I worked at Fox, so I came I had
Speaker 5: other shows too, But when Glee came out of the
Speaker 5: gate and was such a phenomenon, it was almost like,
Speaker 5: just go do Glee and like we'll worry about bones.
Speaker 2: And did you have to ask can I just work
Speaker 2: and Glee or were they like you just need to
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 5: I think it became like you need to focus on
Speaker 5: the show because I don't know if people now really
Speaker 5: understand how huge Glee was, Like it was like nothing
Speaker 5: anyone had ever seen before, and I think it was
Speaker 5: maybe besides the Simpsons, like the biggest hit Fox ever had.
Speaker 4: Wow, and it it was. It just took off.
Speaker 5: I mean, you guys were on the cover of magazines,
Speaker 5: like you were doing talk shis, you were going to
Speaker 5: the White I mean, like, I know people know this, but.
Speaker 4: Like to put it in perspective.
Speaker 5: That you guys were virtual unknowns and now you're singing
Speaker 5: for Obama at the White like head like a short span,
Speaker 5: you're selling out the O two arena.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like exactly.
Speaker 5: It was very quickers how much And you guys and
Speaker 5: I listened to one of your podcasts you guys talked
Speaker 5: about it. I really believe that because you were this
Speaker 5: cohesive group and you all kind of came in at
Speaker 5: the same level. You guys kept each other in check.
Speaker 5: And there was never a time that I remember where
Speaker 5: there was like cud Kevin's like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 5: like really even you know, getting full of himself or
Speaker 5: you know, or.
Speaker 4: Anything like that.
Speaker 5: It was always just like you guys would always kind
Speaker 5: of pull each other down and and keep and you know,
Speaker 5: hold each other up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And for you to say that, it means a lot
Speaker 2: because by the time we would get to you, we
Speaker 2: and there's a great video you sent us today, like
Speaker 2: a refresher video of what is it called h It's called.
Speaker 4: Total Gleananagan because into everything.
Speaker 2: Like yes, right, And I think if people watch that you.
Speaker 1: Get a really good idea.
Speaker 2: Presentation of our state of mind when you would receive us,
Speaker 2: which is probably really terrible because you're trying to do
Speaker 2: your job like before the network and we have we're
Speaker 2: out of our minds. But for you to say that
Speaker 2: we were good and not really complaining about each other,
Speaker 2: it means a lot because you would see it. You
Speaker 2: were sort of like like we could vent to you.
Speaker 2: We would get to you in those in between late hours,
Speaker 2: and so you would play like, Okay, still get to
Speaker 2: do my job, but part time therapist.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically, like on set, Kaylene would set up with
Speaker 1: her camera and like with a cameraman and they in
Speaker 1: a room that we weren't shooting in off to the side.
Speaker 1: So if we were in the theater that day, they
Speaker 1: would be you know, you'd set up in the choir room,
Speaker 1: and you know, they try to get as many people
Speaker 1: to pop in or if it's your episode, like you know,
Speaker 1: they try to get you to come and talk about
Speaker 1: what's happening and what it's like to shoot and when
Speaker 1: you got the script and all of that. So I'm
Speaker 1: curious though, how how did that work for you? So
Speaker 1: did you get the scripts with everybody else and then
Speaker 1: you came up with these questions based on reading the
Speaker 1: script or how did it work for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would get the scripts and I'd read through
Speaker 5: them and I figure out what the musical numbers were
Speaker 5: and I would read and you know, because in the
Speaker 5: scripts it would be like they're flying on stage and
Speaker 5: you're like, well, what does that mean? Is it like
Speaker 5: you're four feet off the ground? Is it going to
Speaker 5: be like one hundred extras? So what I would do
Speaker 5: is I would when I was on set for whatever
Speaker 5: episode I was doing, I would go to Zach and say,
Speaker 5: what is this number? And he would say, oh, my god,
Speaker 5: you know it's gonna be good, or he'd say it's
Speaker 5: not going to be that interesting. It's literally like just
Speaker 5: three of them, like Rocky swaying back and forth, So
Speaker 5: you know, do you want to cover that? And you know,
Speaker 5: and then a lot of times I'd come to set
Speaker 5: and they'd be like, why were you there yesterday?
Speaker 4: And I was like what, who?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: No one told me it.
Speaker 5: Was something amazing, And then I would feel like, you know, god,
Speaker 5: I missed that thing. But I think I got pretty
Speaker 5: savvy about realizing because they were obviously planning the next
Speaker 5: episodes ahead of time, they would know like this is
Speaker 5: going to be a big number, like the Madonna and
Speaker 5: the I think it was a madonn episode where they had.
Speaker 4: Like the the.
Speaker 5: The Bikers that were like on the ramps and like fireworks.
Speaker 5: It was still yes, I mean those kinds of numbers. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they would they had to plan all that. So then
Speaker 5: and Zach and I were really close, so it was
Speaker 5: like he was a really good wealth of information.
Speaker 1: Did you just show up on set like that day
Speaker 1: and then you would talk to like one of the
Speaker 1: pas or like ads and say like, hey, I'm here,
Speaker 1: how does that? How did that work?
Speaker 4: I would well, in the beginning, I was calling.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I would call someone in the office.
Speaker 5: I guess, I don't even remember. But then when Will came,
Speaker 5: so Will became kind of like the go between and
Speaker 5: then Will would clear it I guess with like you know,
Speaker 5: Karen and Ryan or whoever approved it at that time.
Speaker 5: And then and then I would book my crew and
Speaker 5: then I would we'd show up and get ready and
Speaker 5: you know, then just try and snag you guys. And
Speaker 5: that was always to me, Like there were days where
Speaker 5: I would be I felt like like a like a
Speaker 5: fan trying to get an autograph because I would like
Speaker 5: see you guys like all huddled up and you're having
Speaker 5: so much fun and you're laughing, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh, hey, Jenna, can I grab you
Speaker 5: for a second? And you know, and I know that
Speaker 5: like even though you like me or you appreciate respect
Speaker 5: what I'm doing or whatever, like you did, I just
Speaker 5: sometimes I was like, oh God.
Speaker 4: And it got to the.
Speaker 5: Point where, you know, everyone was so cool and everyone
Speaker 5: was so great throughout, but there were times when I
Speaker 5: could just tell, like people were like.
Speaker 1: Not today, yeah today, so yeah, totally.
Speaker 5: So, And then I would know. And the great news
Speaker 5: was is that there were so many people that you
Speaker 5: were like having a bad day.
Speaker 4: Then I'd go hey Court or hey Corey or you
Speaker 4: know whomever.
Speaker 1: Who were the ones that you would go to that
Speaker 1: you knew would always say yes to you. Is there
Speaker 1: anybody that you're like, oh, they'll say yes to me.
Speaker 4: Corey?
Speaker 1: Oh you you're gonna say that.
Speaker 4: Corey was. I love Corey. He was.
Speaker 5: I feel like because he was older and had maybe
Speaker 5: done a little more like TV kind of stuff or whatever,
Speaker 5: I feel like he maybe appreciated it. Not that you
Speaker 5: guys didn't appreciate it, but I think he had a
Speaker 5: little perspective maybe you guys didn't. He was just like,
Speaker 5: let's let me help you, Like what do you need,
Speaker 5: I'll help you.
Speaker 4: And I appreciated that.
Speaker 5: And also Corey and I got to a spot where
Speaker 5: he'd sit down on the chair and he'd be like, what.
Speaker 4: Do you want me to say?
Speaker 5: And I go just say, this episode's amazing. I you know, like,
Speaker 5: we have so much gone on in this episode.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be so fun. And he goes got it.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, this is amazing. And so sometimes when
Speaker 4: I watch interviews and I look, I'm like.
Speaker 5: It's literally he's just married out to me because he
Speaker 5: was like, I don't we could go and do.
Speaker 4: The interview whatever, just tell me what you want me
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 7: And so, yeah, it was team players in the In
Speaker 7: the Glee Say What or the Glee Blooper video, there's
Speaker 7: a moment in that there's so it's so funny.
Speaker 4: If you guys haven't seen it in a while, go
Speaker 4: watch it.
Speaker 5: But Corey, there's a moment where Corey goes, I absorbed
Speaker 5: like five percent of what you just said. And that's
Speaker 5: what he's talking about because I gave him this whole thing.
Speaker 7: He's like, I think good was good.
Speaker 4: You guys were both good. I don't ever remember you
Speaker 4: guys are going like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were days that I said that, but sure.
Speaker 4: And the thing I learned I learned really early on
Speaker 4: was and.
Speaker 5: Is that if an episode is really about one character
Speaker 5: or two characters, like they're the primary focus of the episode,
Speaker 5: then do you go to the other characters and say, hey,
Speaker 5: come and sit in this chair and talk about the
Speaker 5: other storyline that you're not really involved in.
Speaker 4: And even though you guys.
Speaker 5: Were great about it, I knew after like maybe like
Speaker 5: ten episodes, fifteen whatever, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 5: it's kind of not really fair to like make somebody
Speaker 5: sit in a chair when the person who the episode's about,
Speaker 5: like it doesn't really want to talk, you know.
Speaker 8: I was like, okay, so let's that's what I kind
Speaker 8: of shifted.
Speaker 5: In season like maybe two or where I would just
Speaker 5: kind of ask you guys about general atmosphere, like what's
Speaker 5: going on, you know what, tell me like kind of
Speaker 5: what's happening on set, like what's the vibe, and you know,
Speaker 5: talk about guest star or whatever it was. And I
Speaker 5: stopped having you guys go in this. I mean, maybe
Speaker 5: there'd be.
Speaker 2: One lot I remember that, Yeah, you know, we're like
Speaker 2: here's what we're going to do from now on. Let's
Speaker 2: just talk about because I think we would do that,
Speaker 2: you know, talk about the storyline. But it's sort of
Speaker 2: like pulling teeth, probably because you're like, I don't really
Speaker 2: know much exactly. We're sitting in the fire room, so
Speaker 2: I think you got to know us, and like, I think,
Speaker 2: knowing our dynamics and hanging out with us so much,
Speaker 2: you also probably knew like that they'll talk about this
Speaker 2: till the cows come home. Just the vibes. What are
Speaker 2: you guys doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I also I would see all the shenanigans on set.
Speaker 4: I mean I think I was.
Speaker 5: I captured a lot of it in the behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: but it was so much more than that. And I
Speaker 5: was I always thought, God, if the fans who love
Speaker 5: this show, this is what they want to see, They
Speaker 5: want to feel like they're part of it.
Speaker 4: They want to be on set and see you, you know, you.
Speaker 5: Guys all in a corner laughing and like goofing off
Speaker 5: and dancing and doing whatever.
Speaker 4: And and I was like, this.
Speaker 5: Is what I find so charming and fun about being
Speaker 5: on the set. So why would I then just make
Speaker 5: you guys go Today's episode is a blah blah blah
Speaker 5: blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: But it just seemed like they they need to know you.
Speaker 4: I wanted them to fall in love with you, not
Speaker 4: your character.
Speaker 1: It's very smart because I think there are some like
Speaker 1: epks that I'll watch after an episode that I'll want
Speaker 1: for storyline, Like I watch Game of Thrones, I watch
Speaker 1: those extras because I want to know about what they
Speaker 1: were doing and how they were filming the scenes and
Speaker 1: what the intention was. But on Glee, there were so
Speaker 1: many unhinged storylines and things that didn't make sense, and
Speaker 1: we probably didn't even read the scripts. We stopped reading
Speaker 1: them at some point that you're like, they say, these
Speaker 1: fans don't really want to they want to know what
Speaker 1: we thought about the unhinged storyline, kind of like this podcast,
Speaker 1: but they just want to see us be act a
Speaker 1: fool because that's yeah, that's kind of what we were doing,
Speaker 1: and that that's I think what made part of the
Speaker 1: chemistry of the show work was, you know, our crazy antics.
Speaker 1: So it was very it's very smart of you.
Speaker 5: It was also unusual to have so many like young,
Speaker 5: attractive people together and getting along so well that it
Speaker 5: just I felt like it was like lightning in a bottle,
Speaker 5: Like I was really aware of it.
Speaker 4: I feel like pretty early, and I I just wanted
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 5: And I also I felt very protective of you guys,
Speaker 5: like I was always like would never I mean, I
Speaker 5: hope you've never watched it behind the scene thing and thought.
Speaker 4: Oh no, why did she use that?
Speaker 1: Wait there?
Speaker 3: I just had a flashback.
Speaker 2: There was one time I was sitting with you and
Speaker 2: I think because I mumble, and I think I said
Speaker 2: something that sounded like I said my boyfriend, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: do you remember this? And then you came and I
Speaker 2: just like went out with the interview, finished it blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and you came over to me afterwards.
Speaker 2: This was early. I think it was maybe Sey one.
Speaker 5: It was so early, this was maybe like episode five
Speaker 5: or something, and.
Speaker 2: You were so nice and you're like, hey, so I
Speaker 2: just want to make sure. I think you said wherever
Speaker 2: the quote was is your boyfriend? And I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, did I say that? Because I was
Speaker 2: like not out. Nobody really knew except like Jenna Amber
Speaker 2: and Chris, like nobody knew now. And then she came
Speaker 2: over to like check to make sure, did you mean
Speaker 2: to say that? Is that what you said? And I
Speaker 2: was like, I think I just said for but it
Speaker 2: was I think about Marco, who was my boyfriend at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 5: So yes, I remember it vividly. You said what I
Speaker 5: thought I heard you say was my boyfriend hates when
Speaker 5: I put my feet on the table. I think was
Speaker 5: what I thought you said. So I just was like, oh,
Speaker 5: because at that point I didn't even think about it
Speaker 5: really one way or another. But I just thought, well,
Speaker 5: I should ask because I you know, I knew you
Speaker 5: weren't like open about it, and I was like maybe,
Speaker 5: and not that I would have even gonna use it,
Speaker 5: but it just I was like, I feel like I
Speaker 5: should know this.
Speaker 8: But I felt like afterwards that it was like it
Speaker 8: put like a weird like thing because then you were like, no,
Speaker 8: I didn't, And then for like a while.
Speaker 4: I felt like it was awkward. Did you feel that too?
Speaker 2: No, it was nice that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I think if there's any awkwardness, it was with myself
Speaker 2: because I think it was the first time, like professionally,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I'm slipping up.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta rein it in. I'm getting too comfy.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was really nice that you came
Speaker 2: to check. Yeah, and it was sort of And that
Speaker 2: was very much in that time too, where I was
Speaker 2: like do I tell people? Do I not? I didn't
Speaker 2: really know what I was doing, and at that not
Speaker 2: telling people didn't last very long after that, but I
Speaker 2: always remember that I thought it was really nice of
Speaker 2: you to like just come over discreetly and be like,
Speaker 2: did you say this?
Speaker 3: Did you mean to say this?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't have to do that, by the way,
Speaker 5: you didn't because I went back and looked at the
Speaker 5: taping that you did not say boyfriend.
Speaker 2: But you felt something though, because what I remember was
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm pretty sure I said friend, but
Speaker 2: it was about my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: So your sixth sense was like.
Speaker 5: That's fine, Yeah, I guess, but I yeah, I do
Speaker 5: remember that, and I remember, yeah.
Speaker 4: I just I just felt because you were like, no,
Speaker 4: I didn't. You were you weren't defensive, but you were
Speaker 4: very adamant, like, no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Anytime I got brought up, I immediately like, oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: I didn't say something like that, though.
Speaker 4: So I then felt bad that I brought it up.
Speaker 5: So then I think I felt like oh, I made
Speaker 5: him uncomfortable, and that's not what I ever want to do,
Speaker 5: and so.
Speaker 3: It was oh no, just no.
Speaker 2: I appreciated it, and any uncomfortableness was me probably projecting
Speaker 2: whatever was going on with myself. So I'm sorry if
Speaker 2: I made you.
Speaker 4: Feel like that, because are you kidding?
Speaker 2: There was another instance too where Phil came up to
Speaker 2: me sound because oh my god, like right, it might
Speaker 2: have been the same week. I was just following apart
Speaker 2: and I said something, Oh, because we were miked a
Speaker 2: lot of the time, this was aide the point, but
Speaker 2: it was just nice to be surrounded by you know,
Speaker 2: a crew and a cast everybody that was just really protective,
Speaker 2: like you were saying. And we were playing some game
Speaker 2: or something in the teacher's lounge and usually for a
Speaker 2: micd as soon as we're off the set that's lit,
Speaker 2: the mics are turned off. Right, there was a day
Speaker 2: where a moment where it was not turned off, and
Speaker 2: I'm like joking around with everyone, and all Phil hears
Speaker 2: is by curious Kevin was I said that at some
Speaker 2: point and so then he turns over to me. It
Speaker 2: might have been the same week, because I was like.
Speaker 1: What am I doing?
Speaker 2: And then very discreetly same thing, like, hey, so I
Speaker 2: just I'm sorry that the mic was on. It never
Speaker 2: normally is, and this is what I heard. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's all good. We were just joking.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's nice.
Speaker 1: Already said that.
Speaker 5: It's hard though for you, like did you, like, were
Speaker 5: you kind of like I should or.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it got to the point where it
Speaker 2: felt so pointless because it's not like anybody would care
Speaker 2: right at all, And it just took I think I
Speaker 2: had to like get through my preconceived things of like
Speaker 2: what the entertainment business was and how I could fit
Speaker 2: within it. And yeah, I think it just took. Like
Speaker 2: at some point Telly was like, so you like guys right,
Speaker 2: And I think it took a little bit of that
Speaker 2: to really help me. And like Leah was like, so
Speaker 2: when you talk about this girl, you're emphasizing girl really hard.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn it, she saw oh by time every
Speaker 2: time in my mouth, I was telling out myself. So
Speaker 2: it was really nice that around me in every department
Speaker 2: there was a really supportive group of people being like, hey,
Speaker 2: like you no, but you take your time.
Speaker 1: We got you, right, we got you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you And Chris ever talk about it, Yes,
Speaker 5: very early on.
Speaker 4: And what did he ever say anything to you, like
Speaker 4: come on join me?
Speaker 2: You know, I started talking to him in the first place,
Speaker 2: sort of preemptively because I knew, I assumed he might
Speaker 2: be gay, but wasn't out with us. It was like
Speaker 2: pilot time and we were just rehearsing for the pilot.
Speaker 2: So he and I used to talk like on aim
Speaker 2: and I would like offer up myself. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's my situation, just so I My intention was so
Speaker 2: he had somebody he felt like he could talk to
Speaker 2: that was sort of going through a similar thing because
Speaker 2: we were only two years apart in age. We were
Speaker 2: the two youngest ones in the cast, and so so
Speaker 2: very early on he was very open with me, and
Speaker 2: then that very quickly became Jenna and Amber included as well,
Speaker 2: so very like almost immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was our little little group. When there
Speaker 1: were guest stars, which we had a lot and a
Speaker 1: plentiful many great guest stars, did you try to cover
Speaker 1: those did you try to let them do their thing?
Speaker 1: What was your angle on that?
Speaker 5: I I mean depending on I mean, yes, most of
Speaker 5: the guest stars, because the guest stars were all amazing,
Speaker 5: So yeah, we always made a point of like let's
Speaker 5: make sure we get you know, Ricky Martin and Carol
Speaker 5: Vernett and Matt Boehmer, and you know.
Speaker 4: I did anyone, I don't.
Speaker 5: I think the only people we didn't cover that I
Speaker 5: can remember were for various reasons were Sarah Jessica Parker
Speaker 5: and would Be Goldberg hmm, would be one other one
Speaker 5: that we can suffer.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot that's a few out of a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of guest stars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I have to say, if you tell me,
Speaker 5: if you guys remember this. When Ricky Martin was on
Speaker 5: set and I think he's very attractive, but like you
Speaker 5: know whatever, I was like swooning, and everybody around that
Speaker 5: was like comes over and she's like, oh, he's so handsome,
Speaker 5: Like everybody on men, women, young, old, did not matter.
Speaker 4: Am I crazy? Or was that the vibe?
Speaker 2: It was like it was almost and he was so nice,
Speaker 2: like I think to offset he was probably so used
Speaker 2: to rooms, like walking into rooms and everyone responding like
Speaker 2: that where he was upsetting it or just being like
Speaker 2: the kindest sweet and he was quiet, but it was
Speaker 2: also so like I couldn't go talk to him. I
Speaker 2: felt so intimidated because his first concert, right, he was,
Speaker 2: but he was also everyone was sort of like glancing
Speaker 2: and stealing looks because he was.
Speaker 3: It's unreal.
Speaker 4: It was more than just handsomeness though.
Speaker 5: It's it's saying I've rarely ever encountered and I've been
Speaker 5: around a lot of celebrities, and I'm just it was.
Speaker 4: It was crazy, but everybody felt it. And even when
Speaker 4: I was doing his interview, I felt like giddy. I
Speaker 4: was like, what it was weird?
Speaker 2: It felt like like when living the FDA Looka came
Speaker 2: out and everyone was like a Riggie Martin world and
Speaker 2: we were all just living in it. He's never lost
Speaker 2: that whatever that is, like that presence and so like
Speaker 2: that excitement was very palpable, like it was whatever year
Speaker 2: that song came out. When he was there, it was
Speaker 2: very strange, like we all just reverted to that time, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't think.
Speaker 4: There was anyone else who came that had that effect.
Speaker 4: Was there? Am I forgetting someone like I think we
Speaker 4: all loved?
Speaker 5: But that was probably obviously Yes, I missed, yeah, but
Speaker 5: I yeah.
Speaker 4: So we cover all the guests, and thankfully most of
Speaker 4: them did interviews.
Speaker 3: And that's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there was anyone, you know again.
Speaker 3: Professionals, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all the guest stars were excited to
Speaker 1: be there. Like it felt like everybody was a gracious
Speaker 1: and kind of samous as they were, like they were
Speaker 1: happy to be there and like down to do whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they really, they really were. It was they were
Speaker 5: I remember. But honestly, for me, when Stevie Nicks came
Speaker 5: to set, I can't it.
Speaker 3: It was you were there that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you were there for that.
Speaker 4: And she she was like the biggest fan.
Speaker 5: Like I walked her around the sets and she was
Speaker 5: taking pictures like for herself, like and she was like.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, look at the corn Like she was
Speaker 4: one of.
Speaker 5: The biggest fans of the show that I ever saw,
Speaker 5: like famous.
Speaker 2: So you took her around everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I did an interview with her.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And by the way, I took my opportunity and I
Speaker 5: started asking her, you know, and she told me the
Speaker 5: whole story about how she wrote Landslide. It's literally like
Speaker 5: I found in my in my Instagram bio the ePK
Speaker 5: interviews in there, and she talked about writing Landslide and
Speaker 5: she and I was like, I mean, I was like
Speaker 5: a cartoon with like hard eyes, I think the whole
Speaker 5: time because I'm like, you know, obviously older than you,
Speaker 5: like Stevie Nicks, Like I couldn't.
Speaker 2: That was that the coolest moment of working on Glee.
Speaker 5: That was pretty high up there. Carol Burnett was also
Speaker 5: that was just I felt dumbfounded, but.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 5: You know who the interview was that I was most
Speaker 5: nervous about was James Lipton because of right, and he
Speaker 5: said after the interview, he said, you're very good at this.
Speaker 4: I couldn't.
Speaker 5: Like it was the nicest, one of the nicest things
Speaker 5: anyone's ever said to me professionally like that.
Speaker 4: I was so blown away, but yeah he was. He
Speaker 4: was intimidating for obvious reason, but yeah, it was. It
Speaker 4: was so it was so much fun.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
Speaker 4: Your job was crazy, truly, the job was, I mean,
Speaker 4: and thankfully I had worked in publicity before, you know,
Speaker 4: segueing into production.
Speaker 5: And I when I worked in publicity, we worked with
Speaker 5: al Pacino and Drew Barrymore and Tom Hanks and I
Speaker 5: mean the biggest Tom cruise, like the biggest stars in
Speaker 5: the world, so it I just didn't get starstruck at all,
Speaker 5: and so the only person and I wished so badly
Speaker 5: if David Bowie had done had gone on the show,
Speaker 5: I would have probably cried through the entire interview. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was my like white whale that I was like,
Speaker 5: I want to interview David Bowie, but it sadly didn't happen.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I him and Prince if they were like
Speaker 5: the two it's good to have dreams and goals.
Speaker 2: Also, show like Glee, you didn't know who was going
Speaker 2: to show up. It was totally within the realm of
Speaker 2: possibility that one of them might have ended up on
Speaker 2: the show, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: And remember when I remember for what Javier Bardain was
Speaker 4: supposed to do the show.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh.
Speaker 5: Wanted he wanted to do the show, right, because I
Speaker 5: feel like Ryan had said.
Speaker 2: That yes, yes, yeah, because they had an Eat Prey Love,
Speaker 2: so they knew each other and then Glee was going
Speaker 2: on at the same time.
Speaker 5: By the way, you wanted to something crazy that you
Speaker 5: guys probably had no idea about. But I think about
Speaker 5: it now and I'm like, that's bonkers. When I in
Speaker 5: the first like two or three seasons of Glee, every
Speaker 5: single piece of content that I did. Ryan approved. Ryan
Speaker 5: watched and approved every single one of them.
Speaker 1: WHOA, I'm like surprised, and that surprised yea, I do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like exactly, Wow, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of content though.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know, and the fact that in his
Speaker 5: schedule because he was well, he was doing e Prey
Speaker 5: Love at one point and he was wherever he was
Speaker 5: around the world, and he'd still look at them and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I wanted to say, like, you don't have to.
Speaker 4: But he really liked them, you know. He he told
Speaker 4: me one time.
Speaker 5: This is me just fully bragging sure that he said
Speaker 5: to me, and you're one of the one of us
Speaker 5: shouldn't say this because I don't want to make it
Speaker 5: seem like negative against it. Anyway, he told me, I'll
Speaker 5: kind of rephrase it a little bit. That he liked
Speaker 5: the fact that I understood the tone.
Speaker 3: Of the show.
Speaker 4: He felt like I was I had a real grasp
Speaker 4: of the tone of the show. So he never the
Speaker 4: only time he ever.
Speaker 5: Gave a note, it was usually just something like, oh
Speaker 5: take that out because we don't know if that's going
Speaker 5: to happen or something.
Speaker 1: It was more like a storyline kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was never anything that was you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little horrifying to think about the things
Speaker 2: we would say and doing those interviews and he was
Speaker 2: watching truly.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: No, he he really liked He literally liked it.
Speaker 5: I think he Ryan is such He's so savvy, and
Speaker 5: I think he knew, like the fact that Fox was
Speaker 5: putting so much time and effort behind the show, like
Speaker 5: he understood, so I think he respected how much just
Speaker 5: that Fox and twentieth were doing and Twentieth International, like
Speaker 5: it was such a massive, all hands on dack thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't really feel like that, though, because when we
Speaker 2: would start to see those behind the scenes scenes come
Speaker 2: out and you would also sort of let us just
Speaker 2: be stupid and crazy and wild, where it felt like
Speaker 2: you would allow us to do that, and then a
Speaker 2: lot of it would make it into the cut. You
Speaker 2: understood the tone of us personally and the show so
Speaker 2: well that it was fun like going into those interviews
Speaker 2: at some point because I knew, like, oh, we can
Speaker 2: also sort of in some jokes and have some fun
Speaker 2: and Kaylen's going to like use it.
Speaker 3: Well some bits.
Speaker 1: You have to know that if you said something. It
Speaker 1: was fair game, like it could be and probably would
Speaker 1: be used, not in a bad way, but like I mean,
Speaker 1: I would be stupid and and it would come out
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh that, yeah I said that. I
Speaker 1: said it. But it was fun. It was really fun
Speaker 1: to to chat and even more now though, like to
Speaker 1: watch back again. Like I said, it's like it's having
Speaker 1: these like moments in time that we are, you know, encapsulated.
Speaker 2: Now we're there to do it, and you did it
Speaker 2: like with such care every single day that you.
Speaker 1: Like props when everybody played each other and we all
Speaker 1: those like that. BTS was amazing, very was amazing.
Speaker 2: That's what I see more than anything online.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all the time.
Speaker 4: I have watched it over and over.
Speaker 5: And it's funny too, because you know, when you're editing something,
Speaker 5: you're you're watching over and over again and I still
Speaker 5: can almost verbatim tell you exactly like in certain spots
Speaker 5: like what you guys, so like little things will like
Speaker 5: comick out, you know, And when I watch it, I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's so weird that all these years later, I remember
Speaker 5: this so vividly, Like that's my memories of the show.
Speaker 4: Are numbers and like interviews that were done that.
Speaker 5: Day, Like if I couldn't tell you stories like in
Speaker 5: most of the episodes, if you said, like what happened
Speaker 5: in prop like I know Tina hit her head in
Speaker 5: this fantasy, but then like anything ill said, it was happening,
Speaker 5: no idea. I only really remember the episodes by whatever
Speaker 5: bind scenes there were.
Speaker 2: That makes me feel a lot better because I think
Speaker 2: Jenna and I also remember a lot of the episodes
Speaker 2: of the exact same way as you do. Yes, because
Speaker 2: storylines will come We're like, what, but remember everything by
Speaker 2: the numbers. I remember doing interviews with you all the time,
Speaker 2: and so I think because that's directly just the behind
Speaker 2: the scenes stuff. So it's hard to like sometimes storylines
Speaker 2: get cut or changed, like how Ryan would say, don't
Speaker 2: put that in there, and so it's I feel like
Speaker 2: it's easier for as to forget those things. But all
Speaker 2: the because we spent so much time together, you included
Speaker 2: on that set, what was your process like for you
Speaker 2: had Ryan approving it, and then so you would get
Speaker 2: on you'd make your questions, you'd get on set, hopefully
Speaker 2: we weren't being terrible and we'd trow for some interviews.
Speaker 2: What was your relationship, like with the editing process and
Speaker 2: then the network, did you have to run everything by
Speaker 2: the network or did they sort of just trust you
Speaker 2: to like let go and like.
Speaker 4: God, you do I mean for what I shot or
Speaker 4: what I.
Speaker 1: Yeah you shot?
Speaker 2: It was that the true process afterwards?
Speaker 5: Well, Tracy who was the publicist for Fox on the
Speaker 5: show Who We Love. Tracy got to the point where
Speaker 5: she was like, you know this show better than like
Speaker 5: anyone can hope to know it at this point. So
Speaker 5: like if you think that, I would always tell her
Speaker 5: I'm doing this, and she would always just be like great.
Speaker 4: She never was like no, you know, unless it was
Speaker 4: like a start or something. Yeah, I mean she trusts. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she trusted that.
Speaker 5: I you know, because after you you know, work and
Speaker 5: cut you know, eighty pieces of content, people.
Speaker 4: Are like, okay, I guess she might, but she so
Speaker 4: so she would.
Speaker 5: Tracy was the only one that I would ever say
Speaker 5: I'm doing this and she'd say great, and then I
Speaker 5: would go to set and then afterwards I'd take the footage.
Speaker 4: I had an editor who did.
Speaker 5: Not work it because it was too much of an
Speaker 5: ask for anybody at Fox to do. So we had
Speaker 5: an outside editor who I had worked with his names.
Speaker 5: I have to give him a shout out. Quinn O'Brien.
Speaker 4: He just was nominated for that one hundred foot Wave
Speaker 4: that show on HBO.
Speaker 1: He's such a good show.
Speaker 5: He was nominated for editing for that recently. He's a
Speaker 5: phenomenal editor. And it was insane, like he was working
Speaker 5: so hard because there was so much footage also to
Speaker 5: go through, and I would go through it and be like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is a great shot, make sure to include this,
Speaker 5: and blah blah would kind of give him a little
Speaker 5: bit of guidance. But he liked to kind of do
Speaker 5: a first cut for me with just his own like input,
Speaker 5: and nine out of ten times he was right on
Speaker 5: the money anyway. And then once they were cut, then
Speaker 5: it went through at Fox.
Speaker 4: There were probably.
Speaker 5: Nine people who had to prove it wow. And then
Speaker 5: but then Ryan and Joe Joe who was like the
Speaker 5: head of Fox, you know, Joe head of marketing whatever,
Speaker 5: Joe would Joe approved everything like it was it was
Speaker 5: a I can't say it enough, like it was such.
Speaker 4: A priority at Fox that.
Speaker 5: Everybody wanted to be involved, like there was going to
Speaker 5: be no missteps with this show.
Speaker 1: Well, like Light and clicks or you know, you know, views,
Speaker 1: it had it had to be right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also during Glee, if I'm not mistaken, it was when
Speaker 5: like Twitter came out, and I mean so yep, there
Speaker 5: was not a whole lot of social media going on
Speaker 5: where it so really these like videos that were going
Speaker 5: on YouTube or whatever were kind of it for like
Speaker 5: the first part. Until then, you know, we could do
Speaker 5: shorter stuff and just put it on Twitter or put
Speaker 5: it on Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's right later, that's you're at the forefront, you were.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yes, wow, Quinn and I were editing
Speaker 5: these together. When you know, somebody, if someone who's being
Speaker 5: kind of sarcastic and they say a comment, you know
Speaker 5: they're kidding, but once when you edit it, sometimes it
Speaker 5: comes out like maybe they're being like a jerk. Yes,
Speaker 5: So I early on was like, well I love that bite,
Speaker 5: but we got to like figure something out. So then
Speaker 5: I said to Quinn cut do like a like a
Speaker 5: flash cut to him laughing, and then and then it
Speaker 5: won't and then and it worked, and so then from
Speaker 5: then on.
Speaker 4: We just called it pops of laughter. I'd be like, put,
Speaker 4: we need to pop up loud here after Kevin says
Speaker 4: like I hate it here or whatever.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's a bad example.
Speaker 4: Like add a pop of laughter. So if you ever
Speaker 4: like are watching.
Speaker 5: And you just all of a sudden in any of
Speaker 5: the scenes and then you just somebody says something and
Speaker 5: then it cuts to them laughing, that's typically why we
Speaker 5: did that, because we just wanted because it'll be like,
Speaker 5: oh God, this is like a really long day on
Speaker 5: set and blah blah blah, and then it like you
Speaker 5: start to think, oh god, is it seems like they're
Speaker 5: really like bummed out? And then it was like figure
Speaker 5: out a way to kind of bring it back so smart.
Speaker 1: Thank godness, thank goodness. Before we let you go, I
Speaker 1: have a very important question for you, Caitlin. What is
Speaker 1: the feeling that Glee leaves you with it?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 5: I feel like I will cry right now, which is embarrassing,
Speaker 5: but like working on the show and it's funny because
Speaker 5: you guys know, but like outsiders don't know.
Speaker 4: It was like this beautiful moment in time where I
Speaker 4: got to go to a set full of amazing people,
Speaker 4: not just you guys, the crew.
Speaker 5: I can't even say enough nice things about the crew
Speaker 5: because we were in their way, and they never ever
Speaker 5: made us feel bad about anything, and they were a
Speaker 5: phenomenal But just to like go and watch people sing
Speaker 5: and dance and like watch you guys like having fun
Speaker 5: off to the side, and the feeling like, you know,
Speaker 5: you'd go on set and people will come up and
Speaker 5: hug you, like how are you doing?
Speaker 4: And it was like a job, but it was a family.
Speaker 5: And so when I think about it, because I have
Speaker 5: friends that sometimes I'll be like, well, Glee, and I
Speaker 5: feel like they're like going, oh my god, really like
Speaker 5: it's been like ten years, cruly, but I'm like, you'll
Speaker 5: never understand it. Like it almost feels like if you
Speaker 5: like this is a bad analogy, if you like fought
Speaker 5: in a war together, like you'd always.
Speaker 4: Forever you're in the trenches.
Speaker 6: And it just felt like i'd really had it was
Speaker 6: the best job I ever had. That's when I was saying, wow,
Speaker 6: truly and you guys were really truly part of it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I can't cry because that's so embarrassing. But you
Speaker 5: guys were always never ever, ever and I would remember
Speaker 5: because I have a lot of time, you were never
Speaker 5: rude to me. You never were it made me feel
Speaker 5: bad or anything, and it was and I was there
Speaker 5: a lot, you know, and there would have been moments
Speaker 5: where if you had been like kylein just can you
Speaker 5: not or whatever, I would have been like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I feel so bad.
Speaker 4: But you never did that. It just it really I
Speaker 4: feel a very sense mental about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 5: Love that you're doing this podcast because I think it's
Speaker 5: so I think it's interesting to come back, you know,
Speaker 5: with perspective totally.
Speaker 4: By the way, I have a question for you guys. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: if you could go back.
Speaker 5: To the very beginning during the pilot now and tell
Speaker 5: your pilot self one thing, like give yourself like some
Speaker 5: advice or something, what would you say, Oh.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's almost very obvious, but it's like things are
Speaker 1: going to get tough, but don't forget how very rare
Speaker 1: and special this is. Because we got tired, and there
Speaker 1: were times I did forget it, and that's okay. But
Speaker 1: I think the reminder of like, because now, in hindsight
Speaker 1: we look back, you're like, gosh, I wish I appreciated
Speaker 1: that moment a little bit, a little bit more. I
Speaker 1: could still be tired, but just a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I think I would have just said, like, just remind
Speaker 1: yourself of like how this won't last forever.
Speaker 4: Happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of that, And I think I would
Speaker 2: add something along the lines of if you can sort
Speaker 2: of slow it down in your head to like just
Speaker 2: take care and those the little moments you had of
Speaker 2: like silence, to like just really soak that up because
Speaker 2: it's going to go on for a while and it
Speaker 2: is going to get crazy. But you know, I think
Speaker 2: that question also makes me realize that I think we
Speaker 2: did a lot of smart things unintentionally. I you know,
Speaker 2: I love that we were all so so close. We
Speaker 2: did keep each other in check. Yeah, we protected each other,
Speaker 2: and by we, I mean you you included in that
Speaker 2: Klin and the crew. And so I think a lot
Speaker 2: of those things we did really really well. And so
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think, you know, in that sense,
Speaker 2: played the long game, because obviously when we lost Corey,
Speaker 2: things got a little crazy, and so I think to
Speaker 2: be able to maintain that throughout would have been the
Speaker 2: ultimate goal. But you know, life happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, but we were so lucky to have someone
Speaker 2: like you that was like you cared and you do
Speaker 2: care so much.
Speaker 1: And I had fun and yeah, it was really nice
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on the show and chatting
Speaker 1: with us. I think people really loved all the content
Speaker 1: you made, truly and still do. I mean we do
Speaker 1: for sure, So we really appreciate you.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, thank you guys, I really, I like
Speaker 5: I said, it really was so much fun for me
Speaker 5: and you guys made it fun.
Speaker 4: So thank you.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. Thank you Kilan for coming on the show
Speaker 1: and spending time with us. I don't know, she'd thankless jobs.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, yeah, and like would fly under the radar and
Speaker 2: like do such a great job truly, really really good when.
Speaker 1: You know, some days we were and we really it's
Speaker 1: just the fans really love those, and I totally get why.
Speaker 1: It's like a real inside like a sneak peek into
Speaker 1: what it was like the on set. So she did
Speaker 1: a really really great job. Obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were very lucky to have her in her
Speaker 2: team every single episode because I mean, she did that
Speaker 2: for a very long time, didn't we all.
Speaker 3: Kevin, You're right.
Speaker 2: Thank you Kaylen for coming on and being so open
Speaker 2: and honest and spending so much time with us. We
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. We love you fans. I hope listeners,
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy her Kaylan, because she really has
Speaker 2: such a unique perspective of working on that show. She
Speaker 2: was basically a one person department for a really long time,
Speaker 2: and then Mia came on to help as well, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the best. We were so lucky. And that's
Speaker 3: what you really missed.
Speaker 2: Bye, Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram at
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