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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noela.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben.
Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code
Speaker 4: named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That
Speaker 4: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4: Long time listeners, if you're listening to this the evening
Speaker 4: it comes out, then you have made it to Thursday.
Speaker 4: Congratulations all around. We are going to hear from our
Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to have a follow up
Speaker 4: on the beginning of a conversation we add about fertility
Speaker 4: rates and paying people to become parents. We're gonna learn
Speaker 4: about disruptions in the organ trade, not the way you
Speaker 4: might think, and not the organ trail. But before we
Speaker 4: do any of that, we thought we'd dip our toes
Speaker 4: in with a delightful piece of correspondence we got from
Speaker 4: an old friend.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, I'm just gonna jump right into the email.
Speaker 3: This is a lot of fun. Hey, Ben the Octopi sympathizer,
Speaker 3: Matt the dad, and Noel the guy who refuses to
Speaker 3: play control for some reason, even though he can put
Speaker 3: hours into Skyrim. Okay, I see you. It's your not
Speaker 3: so British bank robber Ben. You pointed out that we
Speaker 3: have heard from this individual before, specifically relating to a
Speaker 3: period in their life as a professional bank robber.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's great to hear from you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is from jas. By the way, although there's
Speaker 3: been some great heist and fake identity stories lately that
Speaker 3: are right up my alley, I'm actually writing in about
Speaker 3: your Haunted Places and Objects piece. My house is definitely haunted,
Speaker 3: but not in a stereotypical way. My wife got a
Speaker 3: puppy in the first year of our marriage, and that
Speaker 3: dog was consistently by her side. Unfortunately for us, that
Speaker 3: dog was a superflatulator, a killer of the SBD kind.
Speaker 3: For the unitiated out there, that means silent but deadly.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter if I was cooking dinner or trying
Speaker 3: to relax on the couch and cuddle up to a movie.
Speaker 3: This dog was there and dropping it like it was hot.
Speaker 3: So we would constantly have to recoil in disgust at
Speaker 3: the foul smell and fan it away and say the
Speaker 3: dog's name aloud and scolding, no, no, no, I wish
Speaker 3: we had gotten the dog's name. But that's okay. Here's
Speaker 3: where it gets crazy. This dog passed away recently, sorry
Speaker 3: to hear that, but it is not fully moved on.
Speaker 3: My house is haunted by its presence, and in the
Speaker 3: most loving way, it knew how in life it has
Speaker 3: continued in death. My wife and I will be in
Speaker 3: a room together when suddenly that same putrid gas smell
Speaker 3: will appear out of habit. We both start to berate
Speaker 3: the dog, but it's no longer alive, so how can
Speaker 3: that be possible? Creepy right. The even creepier thing, it
Speaker 3: only happens when my wife is in the room. The
Speaker 3: dog continues to follow her around the house in death
Speaker 3: as it did in life. Ghost impression of its love
Speaker 3: or something sinister. Okay, we're gonna get to that. I'm
Speaker 3: no ghost hunter with a TV show, so I don't
Speaker 3: have the answers. A lot of those ghost hunters with
Speaker 3: the TV shows don't either, so don't feel too bad.
Speaker 3: But I'll leave you with that. It's taco Tuesday, so
Speaker 3: I better get started on making the beans. That's funny,
Speaker 3: cheers Jasps. The dog also went through a phase of
Speaker 3: pooping in my house shoes, so if that happens again,
Speaker 3: I'll be sure to give you an update. Pps. I
Speaker 3: know you are all dads. I didn't mean to leave
Speaker 3: you guys out by singling Matt out as the dad,
Speaker 3: then as a cat dad. Noel has a daughter, But
Speaker 3: why can't he just play that super fun game al dight?
Speaker 3: So that's what comes to mind first for him in
Speaker 3: the intro.
Speaker 4: I've got a quick thing. And I know this is
Speaker 4: maybe an unpopular opinion, but I do not consider myself
Speaker 4: a father to my pets.
Speaker 3: Fair that is that is your prerogative.
Speaker 5: Who do you consider yourself a father?
Speaker 2: Too?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: Right? So, uh, this may be a conversation for another David,
Speaker 4: what what a cool letter? You know we talked about Uh,
Speaker 4: we talked about how memory is so often encoded in
Speaker 4: our olfactory sensations. Right, So smell makes sense that it
Speaker 4: could be for those who believe in an afterlife, it
Speaker 4: could be a means of communication, and of course a
Speaker 4: smell can instantly take you back to a point earlier
Speaker 4: in life. I kind of have a theory, a possig
Speaker 4: I'm I want to float it, but I don't want
Speaker 4: to mess with anybody's relationship. You guys, is it possible
Speaker 4: that maybe Jase's partner was the one party in the.
Speaker 3: Hole she was blaming on the dog as old as
Speaker 3: times impossible?
Speaker 4: I want going to make these rampant accusations more like.
Speaker 5: I like this one.
Speaker 2: Let me give you mine, and then let's compare and contrast,
Speaker 2: because I think that's a really good possibility. Or it's Jason,
Speaker 2: he's just having a little fun with us. Uh, what
Speaker 2: if it's a natural gas leak somewhere in the home
Speaker 2: and it was never the dog or a human creating
Speaker 2: that sulfurous smell, because that's usually the smell I associate
Speaker 2: with the term SBD when it's silent, you can't hear anything,
Speaker 2: and it's like that sulfury smell. Yeah, well that would
Speaker 2: be associated with a natural gas leak because it's put
Speaker 2: in there on purpose for you to smell it when
Speaker 2: it's leaking in your home. So like, if there's a
Speaker 2: small leak somewhere or a sewer backup problem, but maybe
Speaker 2: a natural gas leak, I'm just gonna say, Jase, you
Speaker 2: should get your house checked.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 3: I have to say I was googling, you know, ghost smells.
Speaker 3: That was my term. And first of all, the first
Speaker 3: thing that comes up is the idea of phantom smells,
Speaker 3: which is a thing that happens. It's sort of old
Speaker 3: factory hallucinations, right like people often who are experiencing stroke
Speaker 3: or some similar you know, cognitive kind of events. I
Speaker 3: smell bitter almonds, or I smell burnt toast or burning
Speaker 3: hair or whatever it might be. You hear that a lot. Also,
Speaker 3: the smell of sulfur is often associated with infernal spirits,
Speaker 3: the smell of the pit, you know, the burning smell
Speaker 3: of the abyss, the ninth circle of hell. So there's
Speaker 3: a couple options there. Maybe maybe you guys are having
Speaker 3: a collective stroke on the regular, or you're you've got
Speaker 3: a demon, in which case that's that's no good. You
Speaker 3: need to get get you to a priest real quick
Speaker 3: to exercise that house.
Speaker 6: Matt.
Speaker 3: I think you might have nailed it on the head
Speaker 3: as it were. One of the things I found on
Speaker 3: Reddit with somebody asking a question typical smell during ghost encounters?
Speaker 3: Does anyone experience that. I'll just give the excerpt that
Speaker 3: is appropriate here. I've always seen in movies or heard
Speaker 3: of the rotting smell when there's a haunting. Has anyone
Speaker 3: experienced this? If yes, then what kind of smell was it?
Speaker 3: I recently moved to a place and since then I'm
Speaker 3: unable to sleep because of unfounded fear. A few days
Speaker 3: in a row, when I woke up after midnight, there
Speaker 3: was this weird smell in the hallway which disappeared in
Speaker 3: the morning but came back in the night. Nobody cleaned
Speaker 3: the house or took out the trash, It just disappeared,
Speaker 3: and the source of the smell is definitely inside the house.
Speaker 3: Even if this doesn't sound paranormal to you, I just
Speaker 3: want to know if someone who has experienced some smell
Speaker 3: along with paranormal stuff, and what kind of smell to
Speaker 3: which somebody responded. I believe in and have experienced plenty
Speaker 3: of paranormal phenomenon in my time, but this sounds disturbingly
Speaker 3: similar to a slow ghastly. This would also cause feelings
Speaker 3: of paranoia and the unfounded fear you describe. For your
Speaker 3: own safety and health, I would strongly encourage you to
Speaker 3: test for gases and or molds in your new house
Speaker 3: before assuming this is supernatural. I think that's sound advice.
Speaker 3: But I do like the idea of to your point
Speaker 3: band of sense memory. We always talk about how, in
Speaker 3: a lot of ways, whatever your beliefs in the afterlife
Speaker 3: might be or in you know, spiritual things, that hauntings
Speaker 3: often can be attributed to sort of lingering energy of
Speaker 3: some kind, or a place perhaps that has experienced an
Speaker 3: inordinate amount of sad fartings and sparts sand or sad things,
Speaker 3: and there can be some kind of a vibe, you know.
Speaker 3: We often talk of the show about, you know, the
Speaker 3: idea of vibes and whether or not you're someone who
Speaker 3: you know, signs up for more spiritctual kind of ways
Speaker 3: of thinking about things. I think we've all caught a
Speaker 3: vibe before. I think it's something that's pretty common to
Speaker 3: the human condition. So I think the idea of a
Speaker 3: smell being associated with a vibe and in some way
Speaker 3: kind of permeating a space where something took place, I
Speaker 3: could see that as being a thing. But I am
Speaker 3: with you, Matt. I think maybe Jace, it's time to
Speaker 3: you know, call an inspector out there and make sure
Speaker 3: that you don't have some sort of slow gas leak,
Speaker 3: because that can be very very dangerous, not only because
Speaker 3: of igniting a flame perhaps, but also you know, it
Speaker 3: can just be can poison you.
Speaker 4: There's also one thing to investigate. First off, I like
Speaker 4: that both of these theories were arguing that your dog
Speaker 4: is innocent, whether alive or beyond the grave beings didn't
Speaker 4: do it right justice for being hashtagg. So there's this
Speaker 4: other aspect though, with a gas leak, a low level
Speaker 4: natural gas leak is not going to be harmful immediate,
Speaker 4: but if you have long term exposure, and if Matt,
Speaker 4: if your theory is correct, then we'd be talking about
Speaker 4: long term exposure to some regard. Then there would also
Speaker 4: be physical symptoms. Jason, I'm interested to hear whether you
Speaker 4: and your partner have experienced nausea, dizziness, severe headaches, right,
Speaker 4: or loss of focus. Actually what I'm naming these these
Speaker 4: sound like conditions of being alive in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: But that would be one of your first ways to
Speaker 4: really dig into the theories that we're proposing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and apparently you can check for this yourself. You
Speaker 3: can just get a CO two detector and check for
Speaker 3: a potential gas league without even having I think you
Speaker 3: can like rent one or something. So One side effect though,
Speaker 3: of CO two poisoning is an irrational fear or sensations
Speaker 3: or feelings of dread and paranoia that can be very
Speaker 3: similar or along the same lines of what one might
Speaker 3: experience if they felt as though they were being haunted.
Speaker 2: Mmm, fart in the dark, and your too blame, darling,
Speaker 2: You give beans?
Speaker 3: Yes see I was about to say, beans is not
Speaker 3: to blame, possibly though it could be a ghost dog fart.
Speaker 3: Who are we to say? We're just here to to
Speaker 3: suss out the possibilities. See, that's what we're here to do.
Speaker 3: But you know, often we do hear of people associating
Speaker 3: a scent with a loved one, perhaps your grandmother's perfume,
Speaker 3: you know, or the smell of, you know, your father's
Speaker 3: cologne or something like that. And because I think those
Speaker 3: sense memories are so strong, I think we can possibly
Speaker 3: hallucinate those, you know, if you really associate a lost
Speaker 3: loved one with that smell and then you're in a
Speaker 3: place where they spend a lot of time or where
Speaker 3: you have a lot of memories of that person, I
Speaker 3: can't see why you might not be experiencing some sort
Speaker 3: of smell hallucination.
Speaker 2: Know what do you guys think When my dog Buddy passed,
Speaker 2: I think it's exactly that. Like, rationally, it's just the
Speaker 2: smell of the places where he was a lot in
Speaker 2: the house. But man, I swear after he was gone,
Speaker 2: I smelled like that smell when he'd been outside for
Speaker 2: quite a while, kind of like that a dog got hot,
Speaker 2: got heated up, and it kind of smells bad. But
Speaker 2: it just it was a very specific smell, and I
Speaker 2: would smell it as soon as I walked into the
Speaker 2: threshold of the house. And you know, it's my rational
Speaker 2: mind knows that's just me walking into the place where
Speaker 2: he was a lot. There's probably still dander and hair
Speaker 2: in there in some corners that haven't cleaned yet, But
Speaker 2: in my mind, in the moment, it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: Buddy in.
Speaker 6: Here, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, guys. I agree with you, guys.
Speaker 4: Smell is something that you can I hesitate to use
Speaker 4: the word hallucinate because of the somewhat unfair connotations, but
Speaker 4: we can do this right now. If you're playing along
Speaker 4: at home, if you're not driving or operating heavy machinery.
Speaker 4: Then close your eyes think of someone you love. They
Speaker 4: don't have to be they don't have to be alive,
Speaker 4: they don't have to be dead. But as you think
Speaker 4: about them, don't just think of their face. Think of
Speaker 4: the sound of their voice, the texture of their hand,
Speaker 4: or the fabrics that they wore. And then I guarantee
Speaker 4: you your mind will present to you another sensory stimuli,
Speaker 4: which will be a smell.
Speaker 3: No question about it. And I know I've told this
Speaker 3: story before. I'll just tell the quick abbreviated version for
Speaker 3: anyone that hasn't heard it, and for anyone that has,
Speaker 3: I'll try to get through it quick.
Speaker 4: But oh and you can open your eyes now.
Speaker 3: Okay, the experiment work.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to see to everybody hanky no.
Speaker 3: I played along. I played along, and it absolutely worked.
Speaker 3: But there was a time where I lost a friend
Speaker 3: and a girl that I dated for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Just after she passed, we were sitting in her car,
Speaker 3: my girlfriend at the times car, and it was a
Speaker 3: very foggy kind of misty night, and on the inside
Speaker 3: of her windshield she blew on it, and our friend's
Speaker 3: signature was on the inside of the windshield, and in
Speaker 3: the moment of that moment, in both of our minds,
Speaker 3: we both were overcome with emotion and we were like,
Speaker 3: there's nothing that this could be other than our deceased
Speaker 3: friend reaching out from beyond the grave to communicate with us.
Speaker 3: But the reality of it was that this was These
Speaker 3: were late teenage early twenties girls, they were high school friends,
Speaker 3: and she, you know, this was something that people do.
Speaker 3: You write your name in the condensation on the inside
Speaker 3: of a car windshield and there are oil is on
Speaker 3: your fingers that stick around, you know, And this may
Speaker 3: well have been done a week or more, you know,
Speaker 3: prior to us experiencing this, But in the moment, it
Speaker 3: couldn't be anything but experience with the supernatural. But then
Speaker 3: a little bit later, thinking about it, we realized what
Speaker 3: it actually was. So anyway, Jace, thanks so much for
Speaker 3: the story. It's a nice twist on these types of
Speaker 3: of spooky tales, so we appreciate it. And I'll take
Speaker 3: a quick break and here are worth more sponsor and
Speaker 3: then come back to you with some more listener mail.
Speaker 5: And we're back. Guys. I did a terrible job.
Speaker 2: I gave that song a bad name when I tried
Speaker 2: to quote the lyrics from You Give Love a Bad
Speaker 2: Name by John bon Jovi, but there is a lyric
Speaker 2: in there because I'm looking at them right now, it says, WHOA,
Speaker 2: you're a loaded gun. WHOA, there's nowhere to run. That
Speaker 2: just reminds me of somebody who's got sbds locked and loaded.
Speaker 2: And as you trapped in a room with us, there's
Speaker 2: no one can say me. The damage has already done.
Speaker 5: See. Oh whoops.
Speaker 2: All right, let us jump into a message from Skippy
Speaker 2: the Prozac Elf.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 6: Good evening, gentlemen, this is well. You can call me
Speaker 6: Skippy the Prozac ELF. I am a longtime listener, first
Speaker 6: time call, and I was listening to your recent Listener
Speaker 6: Mail episode where you were talking about the ethics of cloning,
Speaker 6: specifically for the purposes of generating one's own organs. And
Speaker 6: I would like to point out a article recently in
Speaker 6: the MIT Technology Review as I make this phone call.
Speaker 6: It's about a week old now where a company name
Speaker 6: Liegenesis is doing injections into people's length nodes using a
Speaker 6: combination of novel therapies and skin skills stem cells. Excuse
Speaker 6: me to grow a new liver inside the patient. Eventually
Speaker 6: they hope to be able to do kidneys and pancreas
Speaker 6: as well, and as a Type two diabetic, the idea
Speaker 6: of growing a second functional pancreas is particularly of interest
Speaker 6: to me. Anyway, I love the show very much, and
Speaker 6: I thank you for years and here of thought provoking episodes.
Speaker 2: Take guys, wow, wow, thank you so much, Skippy the
Speaker 2: Prozac Elf, very kind words there at the end. Guys,
Speaker 2: we had that conversation about cloning. What what do you
Speaker 2: think about even the possibility before we get into it,
Speaker 2: of some kind of injection into a human that could
Speaker 2: cause you to grow new organs with stem cells.
Speaker 4: I think the science is on the way, you know,
Speaker 4: it's just out of the current popular grasp. I would argue,
Speaker 4: if not necessarily this method of application, the idea of
Speaker 4: a of regrowing organs is nigh inevitable at this point,
Speaker 4: through one method or another.
Speaker 3: We certainly know of certain species of animals that can
Speaker 3: regrow organs or regrow appendages, you know, like a tail,
Speaker 3: and certain kinds of lizards. David Cronenberg film called Crimes
Speaker 3: of the Future that is sort of like this dystopian
Speaker 3: world where performance art has become the highest form of
Speaker 3: kind of art and science in the whole world. And
Speaker 3: there are these like elite class of performance artists that,
Speaker 3: through various means of internal surgeries and injections, actually grow
Speaker 3: new organs and then have them removed. They remove them
Speaker 3: from themselves as part of this performance art. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a really difficult movie to watch. I'm not certain kinds
Speaker 3: of body horror I can deal with that. I don't
Speaker 3: really like cutting, and there's a lot of cutting in
Speaker 3: this movie. But it's got Ego Mortenson and and it's
Speaker 3: kind of a dark comedy, and it really does deal
Speaker 3: with sort of this idea of like, how if we
Speaker 3: change to a certain degree, are we still human that
Speaker 3: kind of question.
Speaker 4: Clearly, I think we're all in the same page here, folks,
Speaker 4: and you listening along at home. It's an ideal for
Speaker 4: state movie. You know, you really get a sense of
Speaker 4: the person that you're meeting. It's like up there with
Speaker 4: that time I accidentally went to Requiem for a Dream
Speaker 4: on a first date.
Speaker 3: And then had pancakes or something at went to Applebee's. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: shout out.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was But that's I think you're raising I
Speaker 4: think you're raising some fantastic points here, because the again,
Speaker 4: some form of this science or some application thereof is
Speaker 4: almost inevitable, and we know that there's a every year.
Speaker 4: There are so many organizations or startups that sell what
Speaker 4: we will call vaporware, right, they get a bunch of
Speaker 4: angel investors, and then it turns into a jam tomorrow,
Speaker 4: never jam today's situation. But Matt, the sense that I
Speaker 4: am getting from our dear Prozac elf here is that
Speaker 4: there's some real sand to this correct.
Speaker 2: And yeah, well, the ELF hipped us to an MIT
Speaker 2: Technology Review article from August twenty fifth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: At least that's the one that I found, because we
Speaker 2: were just kind of searching around. But this is the
Speaker 2: one I found by Jessica Hamzulu, and the title is
Speaker 2: this company is about to grow new organs in a
Speaker 2: person for the first time. A volunteer with severe liver
Speaker 2: disease will soon undergo a procedure that could lead them
Speaker 2: to grow a second liver. And it goes through and
Speaker 2: talks about some pr materials that were put out by
Speaker 2: this company, lie Genesis, which if you want to look
Speaker 2: it up, it is spelled l y g e n
Speaker 2: e Sis what is their stock symbol.
Speaker 3: I don't know, not kidding, could be a good bye,
Speaker 3: just saying noels.
Speaker 2: We were like, oh, I don't know if they're traded.
Speaker 5: Maybe they are. I have no idea. I have no
Speaker 5: info on that.
Speaker 2: All I know is that back in August of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, they were talking about the first trial as
Speaker 2: an individual human being in Massachusetts, Boston, Massachusetts that is
Speaker 2: going to try the treatment out this thing that Skippy
Speaker 2: was describing as injecting with stem cells and whatever other
Speaker 2: proprietary materials that they're injecting a person with into their
Speaker 2: lymph nodes and then somehow magically through science, actually the
Speaker 2: patient would grow a new liver. And I say a
Speaker 2: new liver because that's how it's described initially there. But
Speaker 2: if you move through time just a little ways to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, there is a PR piece, a public
Speaker 2: relations piece that's put out through PR Newswire by Eligenesis
Speaker 2: that discusses how they just raised nineteen million in what
Speaker 2: they call Series A two funding along with this other
Speaker 2: lab to actually go into clinical trials and to actually
Speaker 2: move this thing forward, move the needle, if you will,
Speaker 2: And then you get to the final one I was
Speaker 2: looking at, guys is from April second of this year,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and this is when Ligenesis puts out
Speaker 2: another PR piece through PR Newswire saying that now they
Speaker 2: have the first person going into a phase to a
Speaker 2: clinical trial of this what they call regenerative cell therapy
Speaker 2: for patients with end stage liver disease. And it is crazy, y'all.
Speaker 2: It is not just growing a second liver. According to Ligenesis,
Speaker 2: the patient would grow several livers, if not six livers
Speaker 2: in their body, just tiny little ones inside those lymph
Speaker 2: nodes because the cell therapy that they are injecting into
Speaker 2: these lymph nodes with the stem cells actually changes the
Speaker 2: lymph node into liver cells and it builds one at
Speaker 2: each lymph node inside the body. So six new livers
Speaker 2: in places where the liver is not, you know, right.
Speaker 4: First question would be what are do we know? How
Speaker 4: this affects the shrimp the lymph nodes.
Speaker 2: I guess they are no longer lymph nodes, they are
Speaker 2: now liver nodes.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean it's still better than dying from
Speaker 4: liver disease, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I'm
Speaker 4: looking to at the website and thank you Matt, and
Speaker 4: thank you prozec El for sending this. It looks like
Speaker 4: they've already done a lot of modeling and small and
Speaker 4: large animal experimentation. So moving to these clinical trial phases
Speaker 4: that does mean human right, Just to be.
Speaker 5: Clear, yes, human clinical.
Speaker 4: Trials rubbers hitting the road, all right.
Speaker 5: Noading up.
Speaker 2: But guys, look, I'm sure this is this is a
Speaker 2: great company filled with awesome human beings who are brilliant.
Speaker 2: You understand the science behind this, the math behind all this,
Speaker 2: and they're just working it all out. But if you
Speaker 2: go to their website and you go to the science
Speaker 2: section of their website, there's a little thing you could
Speaker 2: click on this as our science. I'm going to read
Speaker 2: this out loud and just tell me how you feel
Speaker 2: when I read this out loud quote. Our allogenic cell
Speaker 2: therapies leverage the biology of the lymph node to ingraft,
Speaker 2: proliferate and form functional ectopic organs that recapitulate the native
Speaker 2: organs function.
Speaker 3: So these a lot of fancy words to me, they
Speaker 3: know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's for investors who have a bunch
Speaker 2: of money and go, oh my.
Speaker 5: God, this is insane. What is that?
Speaker 4: Even if I've given you this many millions of dollars,
Speaker 4: some of these words in the mission statement better have
Speaker 4: at least three syllables.
Speaker 3: So do they really have to drop recapitulate come on
Speaker 3: ectopic organs? Maybe?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean it's technically it is correct, Like
Speaker 4: ectopic just means for anybody who's familiar with the situation,
Speaker 4: like an ectopic pregnancy, that means the thing is happening
Speaker 4: outside of the area where it's supposed to happen. So
Speaker 4: these livers formed by lymph nodes, these mini livers, these
Speaker 4: j livers are are ec topic at that point. And
Speaker 4: recapitulate is kind of one of those one of those
Speaker 4: words in English that's unnecessarily confusing, because it means a
Speaker 4: couple of different things, like you could make a summary,
Speaker 4: you can repeat something. But I think here they mean
Speaker 4: to accurately mimic or repeat the action of the original liver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, But I think the use of that
Speaker 3: word begs credulity just a tiny little bit. And I
Speaker 3: was only half joking about the stock thing. It turns
Speaker 3: out they are not publicly traded, by the way, not yet. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I'm I mean they are merging with another company called AgeX.
Speaker 3: I found and even that as a name of a company.
Speaker 3: Their AgeX Therapeutics screams, I don't know, kind of high
Speaker 3: in the sky, kind of technical like biotech. Agx Therapeutics
Speaker 3: is focused on the development and commercialization of novel therapeutics
Speaker 3: targeting human aging. We are building upon the foundation of
Speaker 3: our proprietary technology such as pure stem trademark and induced
Speaker 3: Tissue Regeneration I lowercase it tr trademark to develop innovative
Speaker 3: medicines designed to address some of the largest unsolved problems
Speaker 3: in aging.
Speaker 4: I mean you need that profit though, I mean you
Speaker 4: need that profit motive often to propel this kind of research.
Speaker 3: I haven't. That's very true that You're right, profit is
Speaker 3: not equal. We should doubt their motives.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we should be honest. Right to Guy's points,
Speaker 4: like the we do know, at least scoring their website.
Speaker 4: I haven't read this stuff, but they do seem to
Speaker 4: have pure reviewed research and they are bringing this to market.
Speaker 4: But there are so many other questions, like what is
Speaker 4: matt Do we know whether there is a kill switch
Speaker 4: or a handbreak to say we're only going to grow
Speaker 4: x amount of these new ectopic livers. Could somebody die
Speaker 4: from having too many many livers?
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think you too many many livers.
Speaker 5: H Well, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3: Wait and I'm sorry, but you're basically like a farm
Speaker 3: for livers. It's not like they're hooked up to your
Speaker 3: nervous system. They're just growing on you right like right
Speaker 3: like in your nodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is really important. Uh, let's go through
Speaker 2: this really quickly. This is from the pr they put
Speaker 2: out in early April. Here, I'm gonna read part of this.
Speaker 2: Their biologic therapy is created starting from donated otherwise unmatched livers.
Speaker 2: So a donated liver that doesn't have a person that
Speaker 2: it's going to. They take basically the stem cells or
Speaker 2: the cells out of that liver, right, and then they
Speaker 2: they have a current good manufacturing practice process that carefully
Speaker 2: isolates and suspends hepatocytes in a solution ready for transplantation
Speaker 2: liver cells into the patient's upper abdominal lymph nodes, so
Speaker 2: like up on your upper body here, and they use
Speaker 2: an endoscopic ultrasound, a minimally invasive approach. But then the
Speaker 2: lymph nodes act as in vivo bioreactors that make those
Speaker 2: the liver cells. They're using the words again and graft,
Speaker 2: proliferate and then eventually generate a functional ectopic liver tissue
Speaker 2: like the stuff that you would need to make a
Speaker 2: liver to become a liver, and then you'd be able
Speaker 2: to take those out and put one in you.
Speaker 4: I think is the idea. I see.
Speaker 5: Okay, maybe I'm wrong here.
Speaker 2: I think that's how it would work, or maybe that's
Speaker 2: not how it would work. Maybe it would actually function
Speaker 2: as a liver in the lymph node places you just
Speaker 2: have several small ones rather than one.
Speaker 4: Large one, right, right, It's a asymmetrical solution to the
Speaker 4: problem of organ donation.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, imagine how many people it potentially safe, like
Speaker 2: for real?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I just want to add one last little
Speaker 3: thing about the other company that I was talking about, AgeX.
Speaker 3: They actually changed their name to Serena Therapeutics in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. But there's one sentence on here that just
Speaker 3: really has me kind of I don't know. It says
Speaker 3: here ITR was one of the technologies, the trademark technologies
Speaker 3: which has induced tissue regeneration. ITR is our revolutionary longevity
Speaker 3: platform aiming to unlock cellular immortality and regenerate capacity to
Speaker 3: reverse age related changes in the body. So these companies
Speaker 3: are aligned in some form. I gotta do more digging.
Speaker 3: It does seem that they have merged in some way,
Speaker 3: but I don't want to steer anybody wrong. But there
Speaker 3: definitely have been press releases indicating there is connection between
Speaker 3: these companies.
Speaker 5: So they're also.
Speaker 4: You know, they're part of a larger trend, which surely
Speaker 4: you notice as well. Skip you we are past the
Speaker 4: where everything sounds like vaporware in anti aging technology and
Speaker 4: in this particular genre of biotech, it's on the way.
Speaker 4: One thing to do that's really interesting if you ever
Speaker 4: have some free time, folks, and you don't want to
Speaker 4: go out and spend money, check out these companies we're mentioning,
Speaker 4: and then do a little digging into their board of
Speaker 4: directors and learn where their executives are coming from, and
Speaker 4: then learn what other things those executives are doing, because
Speaker 4: there's a heck of a lot of Venn diagrams when
Speaker 4: it comes to boards of directors. I think, okay, overall,
Speaker 4: this sounds like a good thing. Of course, you know,
Speaker 4: once the trials are occurring, it may well happen that
Speaker 4: they run into something unintended right, and that may be
Speaker 4: an insurmountable obstacle, or hopefully, more likely, they run into
Speaker 4: something that might be a plot twist that might change
Speaker 4: part of their approach, but they're still able to get
Speaker 4: this across the finish line. I mean, this could be
Speaker 4: This could extend the quality of life and the quantity
Speaker 4: of life for millions of people. I think that's really cool,
Speaker 4: and I just hope that when something like this happens,
Speaker 4: when it reaches market, as the investors like to say,
Speaker 4: I hope that it doesn't become a palliative only for
Speaker 4: the wealthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hope so, because it could be incredible.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at one of the chairman of the
Speaker 2: board of directors at like Genesis, mister Mellon. Fascinating character
Speaker 2: on several boards.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, which doesn't make him bad Nope.
Speaker 2: But he did publish a book in two thousand and
Speaker 2: five called Wake Up, Survive and Prosper in the Coming
Speaker 2: Economic Turmoil.
Speaker 4: This guy loves New Zealand. How many passports do you
Speaker 4: think he has?
Speaker 5: Oh Man, at least six and for Wow six deep.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, you wrote a book called move whose Law,
Speaker 2: moos Law, and Investor's Guide to the New Agrarian Revolution.
Speaker 3: Laurel Snake oily sounding a mean interesting, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out only time and those hepatocites will tell. So, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: I think that's all from this one. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Give you the prozac elf, be careful with the dosages there,
Speaker 2: and we will be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your liver. Folks, we have returned. We have
Speaker 4: one piece of correspondence here from Phoebe, which is representative
Speaker 4: of several other communications we got in the wake of
Speaker 4: something we talked about briefly on a previous Strange News,
Speaker 4: which is the story of private South Korean companies paying
Speaker 4: families or paying their employees to have children. There's an
Speaker 4: underwear company that gives you like the equivalent of twenty
Speaker 4: two four hundred a piece for the first two, and
Speaker 4: then there is a construction company that gives you the
Speaker 4: equivalent of like seventy grand just pop out one. And
Speaker 4: there's a lot of context here. We mentioned yes, the
Speaker 4: climbing birth rates and what we would call the you know,
Speaker 4: the quote unquote developed world. We also, I think briefly
Speaker 4: alluded to just how hyper competitive the culture of South
Speaker 4: Korea can be overall, you know, the tremendous amount of
Speaker 4: pressure put on people from their first days of school
Speaker 4: all the way into their adult life and retirement. One
Speaker 4: thing we didn't mention is this, And we're going to
Speaker 4: share this letter from Phoebe and then we'll discuss some
Speaker 4: of the factors at play here. Phoebe says, Hey, guys,
Speaker 4: longtime listener here, you can call me Phoebe. When you
Speaker 4: were talking about the Korean company that was giving out
Speaker 4: a boat for having kids, I was hoping you would
Speaker 4: mention the four B movement happening there. The movement, says Phoebe,
Speaker 4: is basically women opting out of dating, marriage, and babies.
Speaker 4: The words for these all start with be in Korean.
Speaker 4: As a result of sexual assault and harassment being so prevalent,
Speaker 4: especially with things like the in rooms in Japan, women
Speaker 4: feel like it's dangerous to bring a new life into
Speaker 4: this world where these Korean men and lawmakers are turning
Speaker 4: a blind eye to the violence. Happening to women anyhow,
Speaker 4: Thank you, And this is just one of the one
Speaker 4: of the pieces of correspondence we received regarding this. Now,
Speaker 4: have you guys heard of the four B movement before?
Speaker 5: And this is new to me.
Speaker 4: Same, Yeah, it's something I think it picked up in
Speaker 4: the West. A lot of people on TikTok and Twitter
Speaker 4: started paying attention to it around twenty nineteen. It was
Speaker 4: propagating through various social media accounts. But uh, it will
Speaker 4: be described often as a quote radical feminist movement. And
Speaker 4: the four bees or the four knows are the following
Speaker 4: one no sex with men, to no child rearing, three
Speaker 4: no dating men, and four no marriage with men.
Speaker 5: So ouch. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's it's like, hey, Stings, we're fine without you, know,
Speaker 4: all all your mess your baggage, your threats.
Speaker 2: Is there a word for supporting the meaning behind or
Speaker 2: the reason to have a movement but also fundamentally don't
Speaker 2: want it to happen because you're one of those people
Speaker 2: who isn't like the people that they're fighting against. Hey, Sarah,
Speaker 2: we need to come up with a.
Speaker 5: Word for that.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, we do, because what you just said
Speaker 3: was incomprehensible to me. You know, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like it's a lot that's like, you're right, It's.
Speaker 2: Like I agree, like totally down and I agree with
Speaker 2: the reasoning behind all of this and why you would
Speaker 2: do that and self fulfillment and all that stuff, but
Speaker 2: also like, uh, some of.
Speaker 3: Us are okay, right, maybe there's a better way, right.
Speaker 7: Maybe cat quickly say something here, yes, please do Yeah.
Speaker 7: I just want to say that I think that one
Speaker 7: framework that can be worthwhile here from what I know
Speaker 7: about the Forbe movement is to think about it as
Speaker 7: sort of a form of protest to make the government
Speaker 7: and these other entities pay attention to these issues and
Speaker 7: do something to fix it. And the idea that protests
Speaker 7: is supposed to inherently be disruptive. There's a quote that
Speaker 7: I can't remember who said it, but something about asking
Speaker 7: nicely to get your quote like oppressors to do something
Speaker 7: differently not working and having to do something a little
Speaker 7: bit stronger. So I think that at least, like I said,
Speaker 7: from what I've read, viewing the Forbe movement as sort
Speaker 7: of a form of protests to like, we won't do
Speaker 7: this until these issues are fixed, not necessarily like we
Speaker 7: hate God, because I can't speak because I'm not there, can't,
Speaker 7: you know. But I just think that that's just sort
Speaker 7: of a slightly different way.
Speaker 3: Of looking and reframes my whole thinking about it. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I mean, you nailed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for that, doc, because that
Speaker 4: is something that kind of came up in our off
Speaker 4: air conversation as well. Like the way we're seeing this.
Speaker 4: There's so much to get into here, but the way
Speaker 4: we're seeing this presented in the West. We have to
Speaker 4: be very careful with this, right. None of us are
Speaker 4: living in South Korea, you know, and it's perhaps easier,
Speaker 4: dangerously so, for Westerners to read stories about this protest movement,
Speaker 4: things like that, the fight for equality. You see it happening,
Speaker 4: and you think about it in terms of another society,
Speaker 4: another country, You other the problem, and in doing so
Speaker 4: run the very real risk of ignoring the continuing problems
Speaker 4: that exist in your own neck of the woods, right,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: I just was doing a little cursery googling, and I
Speaker 3: found a really cool article that I'd love to dig
Speaker 3: into on the cut called a World without Men. The
Speaker 3: women of South Koreas for we move in, aren't fighting
Speaker 3: the patriarchy. They're leaving it behind entirely. And there's a
Speaker 3: great poll quote I think that sums up the cultural
Speaker 3: aspect of this that makes it so unique. In their view,
Speaker 3: Korean men are essentially beyond redemption, and Korean culture on
Speaker 3: the whole is hopelessly patriarchal, off and downright misogynistic. And
Speaker 3: I do think, you know, there's parts of that you
Speaker 3: could certainly apply to American culture as well, patriarchal culture
Speaker 3: as well, but there it seems to be much more,
Speaker 3: even more extreme than what we have here.
Speaker 4: I like that you're bringing this up because this is
Speaker 4: one of the primary things I pulled as well. So
Speaker 4: thanks to Anna Louis Sussman right in the cut March eighth,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. This is a tough thing for a
Speaker 4: lot of people to read because there are in depth
Speaker 4: stories of female female idental by residents of South Korea
Speaker 4: who have just had terrible, terrible, terrible things occur to them,
Speaker 4: and that, to be clear, are absolutely not their fault.
Speaker 4: They were innocent people victimized by by a large scale blindness. Really,
Speaker 4: and we know that this is the four B is
Speaker 4: the descendant of another movement called Escape the Corset movement
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, which kind of inspired four b Escape
Speaker 4: the Corset, Escape the Corset. The word corset here is
Speaker 4: kind of like a metaphor for the social forces repressing
Speaker 4: women in that country.
Speaker 3: Well sure, even I mean, the history of the corset
Speaker 3: is incredibly misogynistic. I mean, maybe at least I'm sure
Speaker 3: there are some women that enjoyed wearing a corset, I suppose,
Speaker 3: but it was certainly foisted upon women by the male gaze, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's like, we need you to look this certain way,
Speaker 3: have this certain figure. Therefore we will, you know, insist
Speaker 3: that you where are these very constricting garments that are
Speaker 3: not pleasant at all, and you know, tantamount to like
Speaker 3: abuse in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we see also that the four Bee movement,
Speaker 4: by its own description is meant to be, like you
Speaker 4: were saying, Doc, it's a protest as well, Like think
Speaker 4: of it that way in that framework. Think of it
Speaker 4: also as an oppositional force to the traditionally incredibly patriarchal
Speaker 4: state of South Korea. You know, and for people who
Speaker 4: are part of this movement, part of this protest, what
Speaker 4: they're saying is the state, including the giant corporations, the
Speaker 4: chibal including you know, like the everybody from the local
Speaker 4: legislators to Samsung on down. They are only viewing women's
Speaker 4: bodies and reproductive abilities as tools for the future of
Speaker 4: the state, which gets very authoritarian.
Speaker 7: Cat with one more thing here, yes, please do yeah,
Speaker 7: one more thing that I think is sort of noteworthy about,
Speaker 7: for example, the incidents of intimate partner violence being significantly
Speaker 7: higher in South Korea something like forty one point five percent,
Speaker 7: which is higher than the global average. And then also
Speaker 7: the president that was recently elected there said that he
Speaker 7: was going to dismantle the Ministry for Gender Equality or
Speaker 7: saying that he wanted to and sort of this in
Speaker 7: addition to the actual issues that are impacting them that
Speaker 7: they're protesting against, also the sort of gas lighting of
Speaker 7: them saying this is not actually an issue, and the
Speaker 7: president has said something about feminism being to blame for
Speaker 7: the low birth rate instead of actually addressing or acknowledging
Speaker 7: the problems that they're speak out against.
Speaker 3: That's like corporations like creating recycling to pivot the blame
Speaker 3: of pollution onto you know, consumers, basically to be even.
Speaker 4: More crass, telling me what you all think about this.
Speaker 4: Is it not kind of like saying our nation has
Speaker 4: a house fire problem, so to combat that, I'm getting
Speaker 4: rid of all the fire stations. It's wild that'll be
Speaker 4: the problem.
Speaker 3: It's a lot I'm not familiar with this issue until now.
Speaker 3: I want to do some more digging into it. I
Speaker 3: really appreciate, Alexis you bringing up the idea of this
Speaker 3: as a protest kind of movement more than it is, like,
Speaker 3: this is the way it has to be for everyone
Speaker 3: and all people. And if you're not on board with
Speaker 3: this hard line kind of attitude towards men, then you're not,
Speaker 3: you know, doing it right. I think that's maybe what
Speaker 3: hit Matt and I, you know, weirdly initially, But no,
Speaker 3: I totally get it, and it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: We also knew, doc, you and I were talking about this.
Speaker 4: We also knew that. Again, the point I don't want
Speaker 4: to miss is that it is all too easy to
Speaker 4: look at this and say this is happening somewhere else.
Speaker 4: But Doc, you and I had like spent time thinking
Speaker 4: we're talking to each other. You rightly point it out.
Speaker 4: You're like, the gender wage gap is everywhere too right
Speaker 4: in the United States, is no exception, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, because that's also one of the things that's
Speaker 7: listed as being part of the inspiration for the FORB
Speaker 7: movement is the gender like pay wage gap being the
Speaker 7: highest in the developed world there in South Korea at
Speaker 7: like thirty one cents on the dollar, but it's actually
Speaker 7: like when you get to the United States, it's not
Speaker 7: that much different. And then also when you add the
Speaker 7: intersectionality of the pay wage gap between like Hispanic women
Speaker 7: or Black women or Indigenous women, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's one of those things where we can sort of
Speaker 7: look at this as a microcosm of something that's happening
Speaker 7: with different levels of extremness in other places.
Speaker 4: And maybe you can help us out as well, folks,
Speaker 4: because code named Doc Matt Nole and your faithful correspondent,
Speaker 4: I've been trying to think of a country where some
Speaker 4: version of this is not occurring.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, we have a patriarchy problem right
Speaker 3: here in the US of A, no question about it,
Speaker 3: and as I think got to the point where it's
Speaker 3: maybe better than it has been in the past, but
Speaker 3: it's certainly always room to improve that. But I was
Speaker 3: just looking up, like one aspect of South Korean culture
Speaker 3: that I'm a huge fan of, and I think we
Speaker 3: all are are. They're films, you know, there's some incredible
Speaker 3: directors and wonderful films out of South Korea. I just
Speaker 3: looked up the stat I was wondering, how many, you know,
Speaker 3: women directors of a certain scale there are? And I
Speaker 3: saw an article here from the Korea Jungong Daily saying
Speaker 3: that only one of thirty five Korean films of a
Speaker 3: certain scale was directed by a woman last year.
Speaker 7: Don't even get me started on those statistics in America,
Speaker 7: because I have a lot.
Speaker 3: Of I know, I know a lot of it is
Speaker 3: lip service. I know it is, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's good, but I'm saying it's at least
Speaker 3: more than one.
Speaker 7: I don't know, yeah, but it's there's something like, you know,
Speaker 7: twenty to one here in terms of films that are
Speaker 7: directed by a woman versus a man. So that's only
Speaker 7: sort of thing that we can look at and say, okay, yeah.
Speaker 7: In South Korea they're saying that the instance of domestic
Speaker 7: partner or like intimate violence is at forty one percent,
Speaker 7: but the global is at thirty percent. That's still pretty high.
Speaker 7: You know, it's like a third. That means like a
Speaker 7: third of intimate partner relationships have some sort of intimate
Speaker 7: partner violence involved. So yeah, that's just sort of the
Speaker 7: thing in terms of thinking about like what they're doing
Speaker 7: and what they're speaking out against, and like, yeah, it's
Speaker 7: bad there and that's why they're doing this, but also
Speaker 7: it's not necessarily miles better.
Speaker 3: Right, No, And I certainly wasn't implying that it was.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think any I don't think we're Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're also we're also, if anything, we're we're showing a
Speaker 4: wider a wider lens here. I don't know enough about
Speaker 4: cinematography to know if that's oh sure works.
Speaker 3: Well you know who does coding?
Speaker 7: Dot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and dot. I just wanted to add in the
Speaker 3: same article that I was just referencing U zero women
Speaker 3: cinematographers in this crop of films that they're talking.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're like four percent here.
Speaker 4: And as you can tell, folks, we have much more
Speaker 4: to explore and learn about this story, this phenomenon in particular.
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Speaker 4: the world's lowest fertility rate. That is true, but just
Speaker 4: knowing that again to your point, Phoebe, without knowing the context,
Speaker 4: is kind of robbing ourselves of some very important informations.
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