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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome, welcome, Welcome to an episode of soft Rep Radio.
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Speaker 2: enjoy having me here as well. So without further ado,
Speaker 2: I have the one and only Don Man, author Navy
Speaker 2: Seal former Navy Seal triathlete. I believe athlete. Is there
Speaker 2: a father figure in there somewhere.
Speaker 3: Probably he is a father.
Speaker 2: All of the titles right, And I just want to
Speaker 2: remind you your everyday neighbor is a father, is a coach,
Speaker 2: is a possible Navy Seal. It is just a dude
Speaker 2: next door to you who has a job like you,
Speaker 2: who is an extreme athlete, who likes to put themselves
Speaker 2: through Olympics style training, who liked to drownproof themselves. Tell
Speaker 2: me about that. Don tell me about drownproofing yourself and
Speaker 2: all the things that you've had to become this person today.
Speaker 3: Well, Rad, thanks for having me on your show, and
Speaker 3: it's good to meet you, and thanks for all you do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I was very fortunate because when I was
Speaker 3: a young guy, teenager, I only had one goal and
Speaker 3: that was to become a professional motocross racer. And that
Speaker 3: lifestyle it was wild. We were reckless, We did everything wrong,
Speaker 3: you know. But I trained hard to be a motorcycle racer,
Speaker 3: which meant I did that instead of anything else they
Speaker 3: should have been doing. I didn't do sports organized sports.
Speaker 3: I didn't study, I didn't go to school. I did
Speaker 3: everything else wrong. But I had this sense of patriotism
Speaker 3: in me like your father. My father instilled it into
Speaker 3: us when we were young guys, and my family, you
Speaker 3: know, a brother and two sisters. He instilled listen to us
Speaker 3: because when we were attacked, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor,
Speaker 3: he and his brothers, his two brothers, and his sister
Speaker 3: all joined the military. And my grandparents had four stars
Speaker 3: on their front door. And every time there's a serviceman killed,
Speaker 3: or people killed in war, or something happened with the military,
Speaker 3: he'd say a prayer. And so I grew up with
Speaker 3: this great, great influence from my father. So I knew
Speaker 3: I had energy. I knew I wanted to do something exciting,
Speaker 3: maybe not as exciting as motorcycle racing, but hopefully as
Speaker 3: exciting as that. And I knew I wanted to serve
Speaker 3: our country. So when I found out about the Navy Seals,
Speaker 3: it was everything and more that I could have dreamt for.
Speaker 3: And if I hadn't found it, you know, my life
Speaker 3: wouldn't be much at all, I'm sure. And I loved
Speaker 3: finding out what the Seals were like. I liked finding
Speaker 3: out how hardcore these guys were in the training they did.
Speaker 3: And when I saw the video of them parachuting and
Speaker 3: diving and shooting and running on the beach and just
Speaker 3: doing all these calisthenics and drown proofing like you're saying,
Speaker 3: I was thinking, there's nothing else in the world I
Speaker 3: want to do than this. And I was right, because
Speaker 3: I've never found anything I would rather have done. And
Speaker 3: I've stayed in the Sealed community since nineteen eighty one
Speaker 3: till present, and it's for me. I was very, very
Speaker 3: fortunate to have found it.
Speaker 2: So you were still wearing like od greens in eighty
Speaker 2: one eighty two?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Is that right? Is that right? That legit stuff right there? Right?
Speaker 2: I could just see it. Who do you have jungle boots?
Speaker 3: Oh? Sure, yeah, jungle yeah.
Speaker 2: Huh oh, that's that's a that's a good look. You know,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a fashion you know with my I
Speaker 2: tell you there's okay. So in wargames, you know, I
Speaker 2: do these war games out here in Utah. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of different loadouts that everybody kind of gravitate to.
Speaker 2: And you have these reenactors and they're just like, you know,
Speaker 2: if they can get something from the you know, early
Speaker 2: days of the frog Man through you know, all the
Speaker 2: way to today's modern stylings. You should feel flattered. It's
Speaker 2: like a Kobe Bryant jersey. You just need the royalties.
Speaker 3: Well, boy, I might so have some at home. If
Speaker 3: I do, I can send you some.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, you know, oh, I would frame it and
Speaker 2: probably use it. Actually I would use it. I'd wear
Speaker 2: it some old alice gear or something.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, I mean exactly. I still have some of
Speaker 3: my initial issue just for nostalgic purposes, you know.
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, yeah, that's hot, the canteen and you know,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's good stuff. And it was just basically
Speaker 2: everything that all the other enlisted personnel we're getting. You
Speaker 2: were just getting it through like the Seals, right yeah, right,
Speaker 2: right right, you know. And then so when you were
Speaker 2: in that's Vietnam in the eighties, you know what was
Speaker 2: what was kicking off in the eighties for the Seals.
Speaker 3: So when I first came in, it was late seventies,
Speaker 3: but I was a corman and the Seals didn't care
Speaker 3: to have brand new corman in. So you had to
Speaker 3: spend some time either on a ship or with the
Speaker 3: marine Corps. So I chose the Marine Corps for the
Speaker 3: physical fitness aspect of it, and I really really enjoyed
Speaker 3: being with the Marines. And I was an athlete, and
Speaker 3: so the Marines they were happy to have me there.
Speaker 3: All they did they sent me all over the world
Speaker 3: of race in triathlons and marathons, mic races and all
Speaker 3: types of running races. So I was like a paid
Speaker 3: athlete with the Marines until I got my orders to
Speaker 3: go to BUDS in nineteen eighty two, which was probably
Speaker 3: one of the happiest days of my life. I finally
Speaker 3: got my orders to HUBS Basic Underwater Demolition Seal School.
Speaker 3: And in the four years it took to finally get
Speaker 3: those orders, I did a lot of visualization, you know,
Speaker 3: and I know that helped me out a great deal.
Speaker 3: I visualized how hard it would be to do all
Speaker 3: those calisthenics on the grinder and those long coal ocean
Speaker 3: swims and hell week without sleeping for a week. I
Speaker 3: visualized it, and I did a really good job at
Speaker 3: visualizing it, because every day in BUDS I never thought
Speaker 3: i'd quit. I never felt like quitting. But every day
Speaker 3: in BUDS i'd get home after a hard day, thinking, Wow,
Speaker 3: what a hard day, But it wasn't as hard as
Speaker 3: I visualized. I thought it would be much harder. I thought,
Speaker 3: hell week was going to be much harder. I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, these four mile ocean swims are going to
Speaker 3: be much harder. They were easier than how I have
Speaker 3: visualized it. So I became a true believer in visualization
Speaker 3: and BUDS wasn't easy at all, but every day it
Speaker 3: was easier than I thought it would be. So it
Speaker 3: ended up being an enjoyable experience for me. I enjoyed
Speaker 3: every bit it.
Speaker 2: No, I love it. I love it. I love the
Speaker 2: visuals visualization, you know. I also like, if I'm going
Speaker 2: into meetings, I will have multiple like conversations with myself
Speaker 2: about what conversations could happen and transpire inside of said
Speaker 2: meetings before I go in with these people. And then
Speaker 2: I go in there and it's like, Okay, what are
Speaker 2: you going a B or C in on me? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Then and they go B and I'm like, oh, I've
Speaker 2: already visualized me talking to you about B, you know,
Speaker 2: So here we go and it's like I've already had that,
Speaker 2: Like like when I go to an audition, for a movie,
Speaker 2: and you just prepare and prepare and prepare, just to
Speaker 2: have that visualization so you can go into the audition
Speaker 2: without your paperwork. You got to just have that. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: It's just second time there. It's not you.
Speaker 2: First is exactly. You know. My wife and I we
Speaker 2: snowboard and yesterday she's like, let's go into the snowboard park,
Speaker 2: the terrain park where there's features in like little rails
Speaker 2: and boxes, and let's hit that one little rail because
Speaker 2: it's little. And let me tell you something, don it's
Speaker 2: not okay, but it looks little from the chair lift.
Speaker 2: When you get up to it, You're like, this thing
Speaker 2: could hit me in my head. You know, I could
Speaker 2: hurt myself. So what did we do? She's got the
Speaker 2: camera on and I'm thinking, okay, all right, it's filming me.
Speaker 2: I've got to do this. You know, she's almost called
Speaker 2: me out. I got to visualize it. As I'm going
Speaker 2: down the hill, I'm visualizing myself hitting this pipe and
Speaker 2: sliding it off and landing it. And what did I do.
Speaker 2: I came up to it. I hit the pipe first
Speaker 2: time ever, slid it off and landed it, and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, visualization. Yeah, sir, Yeah, a believer. I'm
Speaker 2: a believer in it. I love that you live.
Speaker 3: Been the best place in the world for snowboarding.
Speaker 2: That's right here in Utah. Actually, after this podcast, I'm
Speaker 2: going up to go ride.
Speaker 3: Good for you, Good for I love you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. We have about five hundred inches still
Speaker 2: up there of a base on our mountains. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the last week last the season will end in about
Speaker 2: two weeks for us here, three weeks maybe in the
Speaker 2: middle of May, that's what. And snowboard ends in June,
Speaker 2: the first.
Speaker 3: Of June, and that's when the Great Mountain Bike Riding starts.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and they have that here. You can
Speaker 2: bring your bike in on the tram go up the
Speaker 2: hard part. Actually, I don't know. Down's pretty brutal too.
Speaker 2: If you're not ready for that, it's kind of top
Speaker 2: over dude. Yeah, yeah, it's legit now now with visualization
Speaker 2: that you're very empowering with your words. You wrote like
Speaker 2: motivational books and I think even wrote like the United
Speaker 2: States Navy Seal Survival Handbook of how to survive as
Speaker 2: a Navy Seal Elite warriors. There seems to be somebody
Speaker 2: who's always on a lot of the books with you
Speaker 2: that I noticed, and his name's Ralph Pazzulo, And I
Speaker 2: just want to kind of pull that out, you know, like,
Speaker 2: how does Ralph and you come together? You have the
Speaker 2: main dawn on there, right, and then you got Ralph
Speaker 2: on a lot of different books.
Speaker 3: Yep. So I'm working on book number twenty three rate now.
Speaker 3: I've we've published twenty two books, and I did about
Speaker 3: a third of them alone, and I did the other
Speaker 3: third with my buddy Ralph Pizzulu, and then the other
Speaker 3: third I did with two other co authors. I liked
Speaker 3: doing writing much much better with us a very good
Speaker 3: co author, because I don't really enjoy being behind a
Speaker 3: computer and typing up a lot. I like the thoughts,
Speaker 3: I liked the process. I just don't like typing it
Speaker 3: all up, you know. So Ralph. When I met Ralph,
Speaker 3: what a colorful guy he is. I mean, I called
Speaker 3: him up, actually call up this person. And his name
Speaker 3: was Thomas Sawyer, like Tom Sawyer, and he was the
Speaker 3: writer and the he was he was one of the
Speaker 3: producers for the TV show Murder. She wrote, He's a
Speaker 3: very talented guy. And I had this idea about putting
Speaker 3: together a book sort of like Forrest Gump, because Forrestcump,
Speaker 3: my mother had just passed away, and I was thinking
Speaker 3: about my mother, and I was thinking we had one
Speaker 3: movie in that we both loved, and that was Forrest Gump.
Speaker 3: And I loved the soundtrack to it, and I love
Speaker 3: the athleticism part of it, and she loved all types
Speaker 3: of parts in it. But I was thinking of Forst Gump.
Speaker 3: Then I started thinking, all that was it was a
Speaker 3: history lesson. Forrest Gump walked us through Johnson and Vietnam
Speaker 3: and Nixon and the Chinese Ping pong era and his
Speaker 3: girlfriend Jenny dying of the virus which was the aides.
Speaker 2: Segregation at the school. He was just like right there
Speaker 2: with the little girl trying to go to school. That's right, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: John Lennon.
Speaker 3: John Lennon, Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all like leading in like show. I love
Speaker 2: that show. I love it. I love it, you know.
Speaker 3: And then I was thinking, so, you know, I spent
Speaker 3: time in the CIA. I was a seal, and I've
Speaker 3: been around the world for about fifty years with some
Speaker 3: really interesting experiences. I could probably do what they did
Speaker 3: with Forrest Gump. But instead of having a character that's fictional,
Speaker 3: maybe have have have a fictional Seal or Cia guy.
Speaker 3: But instead of having gone back in history, have him
Speaker 3: gone forward? What like his What could happen in Columbia
Speaker 3: or Venezuela or Russia or North Korea. So when I
Speaker 3: talked to Thomas Sawyer and I told him this idea,
Speaker 3: he said, don I love that idea. I said, I'm
Speaker 3: a writer, but I'm not talented enough to put together
Speaker 3: something like this. I would need a really good co author.
Speaker 3: And that's the first co author I ever had. And
Speaker 3: he introduced me to Ralph Pezzulu. And I talked to Ralph,
Speaker 3: who was working for Let's get Oliver Stone out in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: and he was kind of getting fed up with Oliver
Speaker 3: at the time, and he had some funny stories. But
Speaker 3: I told him my idea about this book, he said,
Speaker 3: and I live in Virginia. He said, don I love
Speaker 3: that idea. Let me come out and talk to So
Speaker 3: he came out that weekend. It was a Thursday. We
Speaker 3: had the phone call. He flew out on Friday, and
Speaker 3: we spent the weekend at my house in Virginia and
Speaker 3: we talked about the book, and we put it together
Speaker 3: and the publishers said, yeah, we like it, can you
Speaker 3: do it? Let's do a series, do part two. So
Speaker 3: that ended up going to eight eight part series. And
Speaker 3: then I learned more and more about Ralph and that
Speaker 3: he dated Madonna and he hung out with all these
Speaker 3: actors and actresses, and he went to a party with
Speaker 3: Mick Jagger and Keith Richards and Jack Nicholson and him
Speaker 3: and Mick Jagger just sitting on the couch talking about books,
Speaker 3: and he had all and he had all these great stories.
Speaker 3: And Ralph and I became very very close friends. And
Speaker 3: that book we wrote. We also got a publisher calling us, hey,
Speaker 3: don I want you to write a book about you
Speaker 3: being the Advanced Training Officer at Seal Team six, which
Speaker 3: is what I was when I retired. I said, no,
Speaker 3: you're not going to like that book because I can't
Speaker 3: say anything really that you're going to be of any
Speaker 3: interest in. I have my top secret Clarence. Yet I'm
Speaker 3: not going to talk about anything i'm not supposed to.
Speaker 3: They said, we're offering you six digits. I said, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I don't have the option. I can't turn my back
Speaker 3: when you leave that command. You shut the gate, and
Speaker 3: the gate is closed, and you leave the secrets back.
Speaker 2: There and it goes with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And the publisher was saying, down, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are starting to talk and they're making a lot of money,
Speaker 3: and you're not. You were the training officer when Ben
Speaker 3: Lauden was well. When I left the team, they killed
Speaker 3: Bin Laden. Rob O'Neil killed Bin Lauden, and as a
Speaker 3: training officer of that team. And she said, your book's
Speaker 3: worth a lot. Said I can't do it. I can't
Speaker 3: do it. Finally, after saying this to two publishers, the
Speaker 3: third publisher said, all we want is your bio. Don't
Speaker 3: say anything you think's classified, and send it to the
Speaker 3: publication review board to make sure it's cleared. I said,
Speaker 3: my sports bio is going to be boring a lot
Speaker 3: of people have done what I've done, and my military
Speaker 3: bio is going to be boring because now the guys
Speaker 3: are at war and I wasn't at war when I
Speaker 3: left the teams. When I retire, but they liked the story,
Speaker 3: and that was the book that went to first best time,
Speaker 3: you know, New York Times bestseller I've had, So it
Speaker 3: worked out.
Speaker 2: Is that with the Hunt series. That's what it is,
Speaker 2: Hunt the Wolf and Hunt the Scorpion or Hunt the
Speaker 2: Falcon is what.
Speaker 3: Was the fictional one that was based off for Forrest Gump,
Speaker 3: And the other one that the publisher wanted me to
Speaker 3: give my bio was called inside Seal Team six.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's yeah, I have that right here insights. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: it's totally cool too, by the way. Yeah, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people may think Seal Team six is like
Speaker 2: six six people, you know.
Speaker 3: They would be wrong.
Speaker 2: It's more like six hundred.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what happened. When I first came in,
Speaker 3: there was Seal Team one, Seal Team two. There were
Speaker 3: two underwater demolition teams on the East coast and two
Speaker 3: on the West coast. And then Marsenko created this undercover
Speaker 3: long haired we had beards, long hair, ear rings. You
Speaker 3: could never tell Seal Team six guys are in the military,
Speaker 3: but that's how they were supposed to look, you know,
Speaker 3: And even us guys at Seal Teams one and two,
Speaker 3: we always wondered what they were. Nobody talked about Seal
Speaker 3: Team six then, but we knew they were around, but
Speaker 3: they were so secretive. You never heard anything, and I
Speaker 3: remember once looking out my windows, guys were saying, hey,
Speaker 3: those guys are Seal Team six. We couldn't even believe
Speaker 3: we're seeing guys from Seal Team six. And so Seal
Speaker 3: Team one had the West Coast obligation and responsibility, so
Speaker 3: if anything happened on the west side of the world,
Speaker 3: the West coast side of the world, Seal Team one reacted,
Speaker 3: and Seal Team two covered the East side of the world. Well,
Speaker 3: Seal Team six had worldwide responsibility and they had to
Speaker 3: pack up the bags, get on a plane, wheels up
Speaker 3: in that plane within four hours of any terrorist act.
Speaker 3: So they were much much busier than anybody was at
Speaker 3: the time. And the reason it was called six, I guess,
Speaker 3: to get back to your question, there was a Seal
Speaker 3: Team more in a Seal Team two, and then Marcinko
Speaker 3: named it Seal Team six just to confuse the Russians, thinking,
Speaker 3: oh boy, there's probably a three, four and a five
Speaker 3: somewhere that there wasn't. You know, now there is, But
Speaker 3: back when he created it nineteen eighty, there wasn't anything
Speaker 3: but a Seal Team one, a Seal Team two, and
Speaker 3: a Seal Team six along with the underwater demolition teams.
Speaker 2: That's that's awesome story, by the way, right, the Seal
Speaker 2: Team six being created just to throw off the thought process, right,
Speaker 2: just using that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was a maritime counter terrorist organization, so
Speaker 3: the big Navy, big Army didn't want that. They said,
Speaker 3: We're already have a Delta Force. Charlie Beckworth created Delta Force.
Speaker 3: Delta Force is Army's hardcore, you know, tier one organization. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Marcinko and the people started were saying, well, we
Speaker 3: don't have one. We have all the seals, which are
Speaker 3: all really top notch, but we need a Tier one unit,
Speaker 3: which is pretty much unlimited funding. And they're like the
Speaker 3: break glass in case of war anything the president needs.
Speaker 3: You have Seal Team six a Delta Force right there.
Speaker 2: And that's what it was in six. With dev Grew
Speaker 2: is it's the same, right, they're the development group there,
Speaker 2: so really it's like the trial and error equipment for
Speaker 2: other teams and whatnot. What would we could you talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about dev grew Seal Team six?
Speaker 3: Sure a few years ago I would have had to say, no,
Speaker 3: I don't have any comment on it, and I even
Speaker 3: feel funny talking about it.
Speaker 2: Now with respect. Yeah, whatever you want, you know, no.
Speaker 3: But thanks, But really, dev group or is Naval special
Speaker 3: Warfare development group. It's a It worked for calling the
Speaker 3: team dev group instead of six because you do see
Speaker 3: these guys who look like civilians and they're shooting weapons,
Speaker 3: they're parachuting, you know, they have all this dive gear,
Speaker 3: they have all these optics. So testing gear made sense
Speaker 3: to say that's what these guys do. Development A DEV group,
Speaker 3: the development group, These guys test gear because a lot
Speaker 3: of places you don't want to go in and say
Speaker 3: you're Seal Team six. So it worked out really well
Speaker 3: for that, and and and that it was kind of
Speaker 3: a cover that got blown early on. But now both
Speaker 3: terms are used kind of together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just heard it loosely out there. I was
Speaker 2: just wondering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's actually if you hear people say Seal
Speaker 3: Team six, there are older guys like me, you know,
Speaker 3: when it first started. Because the term's kind of been
Speaker 3: they're trying to keep it dev group.
Speaker 2: I see now, I see I.
Speaker 3: Like six better, of course.
Speaker 2: But you did mention that you were transitioning out, you know,
Speaker 2: because I mean you're an eighties chot. You were in
Speaker 2: at the seven eighties, nineties, two thousands, nine eleven happens, right,
Speaker 2: and you're full on Navy seal You're full on at
Speaker 2: what rink in two thousand and one?
Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, tell me how are you. I came
Speaker 3: in in seventy seven, which I always felt guilty because
Speaker 3: I came in after Vietnam. I was positive i'd be
Speaker 3: in Vietnam. I wanted to go. I wanted Now looking
Speaker 3: back knowing it was a mistake, you know, yeah, I
Speaker 3: get you, well, we lost fifty eight thousand people. I
Speaker 3: just felt I should be there fighting for my country,
Speaker 3: regardless history shows it was a mistake, which I hate
Speaker 3: that we lost all those people. Now I look at
Speaker 3: it differently. But and then, you know, we came up
Speaker 3: to ninety eight. I was getting bored in the seal
Speaker 3: teams because we weren't at war and we were chasing
Speaker 3: down bin Laden trying to find them, but it was
Speaker 3: all dry holes. We never found them. And so I
Speaker 3: retired after twenty one years and then went right to
Speaker 3: work for the CIA. And then I was going all
Speaker 3: the hotspots, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, yame in all
Speaker 3: these places. Nothing nice and and then we got hit
Speaker 3: on nine to eleven, and then we were going after
Speaker 3: bin Luden too, you know, the agency and and then
Speaker 3: so I almost saw more action in the agency than
Speaker 3: in the teams. But it was a nice combination, having
Speaker 3: twenty plus years of both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I trusted dude in the position. That's you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was. There's nothing I would rather
Speaker 3: have done. It's just really you know, I don't want
Speaker 3: to say pleasant, enjoyable, but I just liked the culture.
Speaker 3: I liked when I got out of the teams, you know,
Speaker 3: and the guys in the agency with me were all
Speaker 3: X team guys or Special Forces or delta.
Speaker 2: Fulfilling is the word. You know.
Speaker 3: It just felt like you were doing something good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, fulfiller. And you were the one
Speaker 2: because like someone had to be that guy, someone had
Speaker 2: to take on the burden of your job, details and
Speaker 2: all that stuff that you have to know about. You know,
Speaker 2: it was you. You know, it wasn't me. It was you,
Speaker 2: And so thank you.
Speaker 3: Taking deep breath, Thanks thanks, And you know I worry
Speaker 3: now because you know, I you know, I just knew
Speaker 3: I had to support our country. I just have it
Speaker 3: in my heart. I mean, the country's in trouble. You
Speaker 3: got to be there for it. It bothers me now
Speaker 3: a great deal that people don't see that anymore as
Speaker 3: much as they did when I was growing up. You know, people,
Speaker 3: it's well, the recruitment, the recruitment numbers say that out loud.
Speaker 3: We can't get people in the military now. And the
Speaker 3: ones we can get in a lot of them aren't
Speaker 3: physically fit. A lot of them are overweight or not
Speaker 3: in shape. And we're failing badly on all the numbers
Speaker 3: trying to get into the military. Now, there was a
Speaker 3: brief you know, the Marines were doing better than anybody
Speaker 3: at one point. And then when the latest Top Gun
Speaker 3: movie came out Maverick, I think it was called that
Speaker 3: boosted up the sales. I mean the recruitment numbers of
Speaker 3: the Navy. But the army's really low, and recruitment's really low,
Speaker 3: and I you know, the big military says it's because
Speaker 3: of COVID. I don't believe that. I think it started
Speaker 3: with Benghazi on how you know, we had President Trump saying,
Speaker 3: you touch one hair on any American's head, all hell
Speaker 3: is coming down on you. And our terrorist groups were
Speaker 3: scared to death of Trump, and he had a plan
Speaker 3: a slow withdrawal. We're going to keep and we're going
Speaker 3: to keep the airstrip there, Bargain Airfield. We had air
Speaker 3: support if we needed it. And then Biden made this promise,
Speaker 3: I'm going to end the war, and he did, but
Speaker 3: he just pulled everybody out. He gave everybody our weapons
Speaker 3: which are being used against us.
Speaker 2: Now with that said, I just remember the other day
Speaker 2: General Millie was in front of Congress or whatnot, and
Speaker 2: he was being you know, asked about the equipment, right,
Speaker 2: and he said that the person on the ground in
Speaker 2: charge over there made sure that all American equipment was
Speaker 2: either destroyed or but what they got was the equipment
Speaker 2: that was given to, you know, the Afghan Army. So
Speaker 2: that was not it was it may have been American made,
Speaker 2: but it was already Afghan Army equipment. And so that's
Speaker 2: the equipment that they're mostly referencing. I think because Milly
Speaker 2: just came out the other day and talked about that
Speaker 2: in a deposition, and then also to give a little
Speaker 2: bit of a benefit to, you know, to Biden, the
Speaker 2: president Biden is Donald Trump did sign the agreement like
Speaker 2: December twenty second of pulling out of Afghanistan and even
Speaker 2: invited the Taliban to like Camp David and too like
Speaker 2: the White House, right, like holy cal Like I don't
Speaker 2: know what that was thought process, right, but to kind
Speaker 2: of just put it in perspective, I get it one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. You know, I had friends who were like
Speaker 2: going over there to try to get friends out of there,
Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. It was I think
Speaker 2: that was more of of the blender that was happening.
Speaker 2: Is like, what about our allies that were like, you know,
Speaker 2: translators and people that helped us, that were promised that
Speaker 2: they'd be taken care of. Where are those promises being
Speaker 2: kept for them? Right? And I think I just have
Speaker 2: to I just want to put it in perspective because
Speaker 2: it takes two to party at this situation. And I
Speaker 2: know that Trump was out going out from the election,
Speaker 2: and he signed that in December to say we're out if.
Speaker 3: You recall yep, and he had a timeline and the
Speaker 3: timeline was working. We didn't lose one person. We didn't
Speaker 3: lose a person, right, And then you know, now the interpreters,
Speaker 3: translators who helped us that we left back there, we're
Speaker 3: getting reports they're going door to door finding these guys
Speaker 3: and ladies and cutting out their tongues. I mean, you
Speaker 3: don't hear that on our news, but that they they don't.
Speaker 3: We we have short memory span here in the US,
Speaker 3: but they don't. They don't. Those people helped the enemy,
Speaker 3: they helped the Infidel, and they were left behind. They
Speaker 3: don't protection anymore. They're going door to door slicing up
Speaker 3: their tongues.
Speaker 2: And they just came out saying that they're going to
Speaker 2: stone women, you know. And the Taliban Cambat came back
Speaker 2: out and said, you know this is going to happen.
Speaker 2: You're going to understand that and this, that and the other.
Speaker 2: You better obey all the laws that they want in
Speaker 2: place over there. It's it's it's it's so cowboy, you know,
Speaker 2: it's so wild West over there. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: there's no real You got one faction that doesn't even
Speaker 2: recognize the word Afghanistan and they live there. You got
Speaker 2: another faction that recognizes the word Afghanistan because it's a
Speaker 2: word that they understand. And you've got all these different
Speaker 2: you know, tribes and people who don't even they just
Speaker 2: want to heard their animals and like live their life
Speaker 2: in this rough land.
Speaker 3: You know that's true, because that's how I see it
Speaker 3: in all those countries everywhere, Hamas, Israel, Russia, Yemen, Somalia,
Speaker 3: you know, Ukraine. Kids, the kids they're just innocent. The
Speaker 3: mothers really just want to take care of them. However,
Speaker 3: the enemy. And I've heard this from the guy who
Speaker 3: personally cut off Daniel Pearl's head, and he's also the
Speaker 3: guy who worked with Bin Laden and bombed us on
Speaker 3: nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's the New York Times reporter that you're talking
Speaker 2: about or the Washington Post. Right, Daniel Pearl, yes, right?
Speaker 2: Who was.
Speaker 3: So Khalid Sheikh Muhammad we call it kasm. He was
Speaker 3: captured and he admitted to you know, destroying the buildings
Speaker 3: and hitting us on nine to eleven Kosm. We had
Speaker 3: him in captivity and and the doctor who was interviewing him,
Speaker 3: and this I'm not giving away a secret right now
Speaker 3: because this is all open source now. And the doctor's
Speaker 3: a very good friend of mine. And he was interviewing
Speaker 3: him and he was saying, so why women and children
Speaker 3: they're innocent? That how could you you hit us at
Speaker 3: nine to eleven? Kill three thousand people. I mean, don't
Speaker 3: you feel a lot of those people were Muslims. Don't
Speaker 3: you feel bad about killing the Muslims? KSM smiled. He said, no, no,
Speaker 3: if we can kill many Infidel and some Muslims get
Speaker 3: killed along the way, that's okay with us. That's okay
Speaker 3: with Allah, That's okay with us. And then the doctor
Speaker 3: I won't say his name, but he's a very best
Speaker 3: human being you could imagine, you know, a patriot. You know,
Speaker 3: they call him the torture doctor on the left. But
Speaker 3: he stopped we think the agency feels he stopped two
Speaker 3: hundred lives from being lost from interviews and interrogations. He's
Speaker 3: done with KSM alone. So KSM like smiled. And then
Speaker 3: he said. The doctor said, well, what about the women
Speaker 3: you're killing? I mean, these are young girls and women.
Speaker 3: KSM smile. He goes, no, no, they support the Infidel.
Speaker 3: We kill them early. They don't support the Infidel. So
Speaker 3: what about all these little kids, boys and girls running
Speaker 3: around so they grew up. They either support the Infidel
Speaker 3: or they're the Infidel who's our enemy. We kill them too.
Speaker 3: And he smiled. And then the subject turned about assassinations
Speaker 3: and beheading people and then KSM said, it was like
Speaker 3: when I killed Daniel Pearl and everyone, and this is
Speaker 3: before we knew who killed them. Everyone looked at him, like,
Speaker 3: you killed Daniel Pearl. He said, oh yeah. So the
Speaker 3: doctor runs over to the computer writes back to DC headquarters,
Speaker 3: said KSM just submitted to killing Daniel Pearl. They said, well,
Speaker 3: ask him how he did it, because we have some
Speaker 3: photos of just his arm and everything. Have him do
Speaker 3: that movement, the movement as if we had the knife,
Speaker 3: and they sent the pictures back. And then the doctor said,
Speaker 3: was it hard to kill him and kiss him? Smile
Speaker 3: his no, no, no, I cut through the arteries. It
Speaker 3: was messy when I cut those voice boxes, scream and started.
Speaker 3: It was only hard getting through his spine. And he said, oh,
Speaker 3: you can't even tell if he is joking or if
Speaker 3: he's a play on words. Was it hard to do it?
Speaker 3: So that's the enemy, And that's the enemy who's going
Speaker 3: around going door to door cutting the tongues out of people.
Speaker 3: But that's also the enemy that promised Trump we won't
Speaker 3: touch a hair, and anybody said, as we know, all
Speaker 3: hell will come down on us because of what you
Speaker 3: just told us. They were scared to death with Biden.
Speaker 3: They know there's you know, it's the words mean nothing.
Speaker 3: And when that day happened, I believe that's what happened
Speaker 3: with our recruiting efforts. When people saw that the military
Speaker 3: just just being left left there and being killed, thirteen
Speaker 3: of them, I think it was that day they were
Speaker 3: killed and then leaving all the people who supported us.
Speaker 3: We've never done that to anybody before. We We've always
Speaker 3: had to leave no man behind. And we that just
Speaker 3: just for a political promise, that deal, that that promise
Speaker 3: was broken. To anybody who's worked with the American troops
Speaker 3: or were American troops. We just got on the planes
Speaker 3: and left out of there. And the billions of dollars
Speaker 3: we left no those those those have been fined in
Speaker 3: swap meets all over the Middle East selling to the enemy.
Speaker 2: And I would imagine there's I would imagine, you know,
Speaker 2: it's there was a twenty some year war in Afghanistan
Speaker 2: where you know, it was back and forth. So I
Speaker 2: bet a lot of equipment does show up on you know,
Speaker 2: that black one.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the new equipment we just purchased for him.
Speaker 3: And if they when they added it all up everything,
Speaker 3: the air support, everything that we gave them. It would
Speaker 3: have been the sixth largest military in the world. They
Speaker 3: could have formed with it that we gave to him.
Speaker 2: Well, do you mean like the talent that the that
Speaker 2: the Northern Alliance and that the Afghan Army already was
Speaker 2: given already, Right, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Was we just left a lot of a brand new stone.
Speaker 2: Well, Bargram Air Base was Russian. Right, it wasn't even
Speaker 2: an American base. It was a Russian base. Right, we
Speaker 2: had control of Bargain. I've been there many times. Right, No,
Speaker 2: and I'm not doubting that, but I'm saying that in
Speaker 2: in in monopoly world, it was Russian and the Americans
Speaker 2: took it over to mobilize. So it's not like we
Speaker 2: invested in that tarmac kind of you know, but not really.
Speaker 2: It was already a building that it was already some
Speaker 2: structures where there was like Russian building still, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was old, but it was a we had
Speaker 3: air base in the Middle East. Yeah, big money for
Speaker 3: they allowed us. They they they were happy, they didn't
Speaker 3: mind that we were there. We had our air support,
Speaker 3: so we could we could have overhead support for any
Speaker 3: of the troops on the ground, and that was those
Speaker 3: people were pulled out before the troops on the ground
Speaker 3: were pulled out. And that was a big military mistake.
Speaker 2: And Mili, it was just a lot, It was just
Speaker 2: a lot. It was just a mistake to even agree
Speaker 2: to pull out, you know in the beginning. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if former President Trump wants to
Speaker 2: you know, sign agreements, because he's literally he has to
Speaker 2: give the playbook to the new guy, and he wouldn't
Speaker 2: even do that. So he's still drafting plays in the
Speaker 2: playbook that we're supposed to go to the new guy.
Speaker 2: But the new guy couldn't even get the playbook. So
Speaker 2: it's like he's just signing away stuff and just leaving
Speaker 2: it in this mess, which he even is recorded saying,
Speaker 2: I want to leave as much as I can for
Speaker 2: Biden to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did say that, But it wasn't like a
Speaker 3: playbook do D Department of Defense. Yeah, yeah, I had
Speaker 3: the playbook, and you know, I know, Biden turned everything
Speaker 3: around that Trump put. He turned all all around the border,
Speaker 3: everything he stopped and reversed course, but for the DoD,
Speaker 3: for the military. When he tried to reverse course there
Speaker 3: you have four stars and three stars fighting it. But
Speaker 3: they are still like correct what you just said. They
Speaker 3: are like the commander in charge Biden can say stop,
Speaker 3: go a different direction. But the d D put together
Speaker 3: the playboar if they had it all right.
Speaker 2: And there was a general I interviewed once and he
Speaker 2: was transitioning George Bush to Barack Obama. And he was
Speaker 2: in the middle of the two different you know, one
Speaker 2: Republican side, one Democrat. But he was the general that
Speaker 2: was transitioning and he said, you know, it was really
Speaker 2: like they wrote everything out like these are the most
Speaker 2: thirty important topics that the president needs to have in
Speaker 2: his lap, right, And he was the guy that was
Speaker 2: giving that to Barack Obama. And I said, how did
Speaker 2: you manage that transition from Bush? He's like, well, we
Speaker 2: already knew that Bush wasn't going to be president, so
Speaker 2: we had this document, this playbook kind of thing put together,
Speaker 2: and then I had to get that to the new
Speaker 2: administration so they knew these are what is super important, sir.
Speaker 2: And I said, how did you maintain the sir aspect
Speaker 2: of transitioning? He said, rad when we sit down as
Speaker 2: the military at the Pentagon, it says US Marines, US Army,
Speaker 2: US Navy, US Air Force. So we understand what we're
Speaker 2: in it for. We're not in it for that, you know,
Speaker 2: politician style rhetoric. Whatever. So he was like because he
Speaker 2: transitioned from one to the other and stayed in a
Speaker 2: position and continued on and was very successful three star general.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just that's what I thought would
Speaker 2: have been. Also, that's kind of what should have happened, right,
Speaker 2: it should have been this transition like these are really important.
Speaker 2: You should focus on this. Congratulations on the job. But
Speaker 2: it was very much back and forth. We've lived through
Speaker 2: what's still ongoing with that former administration.
Speaker 3: It is, and you know, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: just pick on one president over the other, but I
Speaker 3: can't say, you know, we've been together as a country
Speaker 3: for over two hundred and fifty years, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: I would say the first two hundred years we were
Speaker 3: doing pretty well. But Republican and Democrat go back and forth,
Speaker 3: back and forth, doesn't matter. You know, my favorite, the
Speaker 3: president I look up to the most since I've been alive,
Speaker 3: is Ronald Reagan. But regardless of that, Republican Democrat, Reagan,
Speaker 3: Carter Clinton, Obama, Bush, Bush, whoever you pick. Since Vietnam,
Speaker 3: I'm very, very disappointed and these big policy blenders we've
Speaker 3: been making because we talked about Vietnam early on. You know,
Speaker 3: we lost fIF over fifty eight thousand people in ten years,
Speaker 3: we walk out and we lose the war, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I guess we made a mistake there. But then you know,
Speaker 3: we've done it since then numerous times we didn't have
Speaker 3: understand We did it in Iraq. Now we've been putting
Speaker 3: all this money in Ukraine and another bill was just
Speaker 3: passed and now we're going to keep that war going.
Speaker 3: They are just getting slaughtered.
Speaker 2: But do you think.
Speaker 3: They've lost the war? They've lost months ago and there's
Speaker 3: no way they can win it. The Russians have all
Speaker 3: this equipment and AMMO and artillery that they're producing twenty
Speaker 3: four hours around the clock. They have a five to
Speaker 3: one ratio of people waiting to go to war. They're
Speaker 3: having people going men forties and fifties year old paying
Speaker 3: for their own cardiac care or their own prosthetic care
Speaker 3: so they can go back and fight the war. The
Speaker 3: level of patriotism is sky high and.
Speaker 2: The same Let me let me ask you something, since
Speaker 2: they just got their relief aid passed through, right, it
Speaker 2: just went through. But for like the last six months
Speaker 2: when it was supposed to really matter, it was being
Speaker 2: blocked in. You know, these politicians were blocking it for
Speaker 2: whatever reasons. They were just damming up the process of
Speaker 2: getting this money to aid Ukraine. But yet here it is,
Speaker 2: they gave the money to aid Ukraine. So why didn't
Speaker 2: they just give it in the first place, because they
Speaker 2: waited six.
Speaker 3: Months, yeah, and got nothing out of it, nothing politicized.
Speaker 3: But the sixty one billion that's going to Ukraine, the
Speaker 3: estimates are a third to two thirds won't make it there.
Speaker 3: It'll make it to Lockheed, you know, general you know,
Speaker 3: maythe on the big companies here, so a lot of
Speaker 3: them go to produce weapons here and go right back
Speaker 3: into our you know, money cycle here. And then when
Speaker 3: it gets to Ukraine, which is the most corrupted country
Speaker 3: in Europe, everybody knows that it really doesn't make it
Speaker 3: out to the troops at all. And then speaking of
Speaker 3: the troops, those that battlefront there, if you call it
Speaker 3: a battle line anymore, it is so broken up and
Speaker 3: that they can't get me to fight anymore. So they
Speaker 3: just passed the loss so they can go throughout Europe
Speaker 3: trying to find the Ukrainians who left the country, and
Speaker 3: then dragging him back to Ukraine and said, you've got
Speaker 3: to fight for our country. They're putting battalions of women
Speaker 3: up front now because they don't have the men, and
Speaker 3: Russia is just long lines of people wanting to go.
Speaker 2: I just this is I don't doubt that there's women fighting,
Speaker 2: and I don't doubt that. And I just talked to
Speaker 2: a gentleman who was in the trenches and he was
Speaker 2: taking you know, story and article documentation for like Esquire magazine,
Speaker 2: and he's a former marine recon and he's you know,
Speaker 2: probably in his thirties forties now, but he was talking
Speaker 2: to the twenty year old saying, hey, how'd you get
Speaker 2: your discipline? How did you how did you learn how
Speaker 2: to hold your weapon? You know, because he says, like
Speaker 2: the fifty year old guy learned old Russian tactics. Now
Speaker 2: he's the older guy that's fighting in this Ukrainian Russian war,
Speaker 2: but he wanted to know about these younger kids that
Speaker 2: are in there, you know, with this capability. And he
Speaker 2: watched this kid, he said he was just slip in
Speaker 2: his rifle correctly. He just had his hand away. He
Speaker 2: was holding it and he's like, how'd you learn that?
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, I don't know. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: there's got to be more to it. How He's like
Speaker 2: video games. He's like, I played a little video games.
Speaker 2: He's like no. He's like, do you play war games
Speaker 2: with airsoft guns? He's like yes. So before the war,
Speaker 2: before twenty twelve and like twenty sixteen, all these timeframes,
Speaker 2: you know, they weren't really at war, so they were
Speaker 2: playing airsoft all the time. And so all these young
Speaker 2: kids had all this like you know, games on the
Speaker 2: weekend that they were playing. And so here he is
Speaker 2: now taking whatever training that that helped instill in him,
Speaker 2: and he's in the trenches and he's getting a story
Speaker 2: written about him, and that's in the story, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I know they're fighting, they don't seem like
Speaker 2: they think they're losing. Maybe that's just a morale boost,
Speaker 2: you know. Maybe what the Ukrainian fighter is feeling is like,
Speaker 2: you know, from what I've talked to, is a sense
Speaker 2: of pride about what they're standing up for. And maybe
Speaker 2: they're not getting the full scoop from the trenches. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe they're just like, this is what we're here for.
Speaker 2: I'm here because my budd's fighting and his buddy's fighting,
Speaker 2: and we're fighting together in these trenches, right because you know,
Speaker 2: they just think they're doing the right thing for their country.
Speaker 2: The other guy thinks he's doing the right thing for
Speaker 2: his country. These ground level infantrymen who are just being
Speaker 2: ordered to go to battle are just feeling like, this
Speaker 2: is what I'm supposed to do. It's these high top
Speaker 2: puppet masters up here right. Metallica writes songs about you know,
Speaker 2: it's the puppet masters that are are the problem, Like
Speaker 2: that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you if anyone goes and looks
Speaker 3: at the numbers, then I mean the Ukrainians they have.
Speaker 3: The numbers are up over six hundred thousand who have
Speaker 3: been killed and wounded right now we're talk Vietnam fifty
Speaker 3: eight thousand. They've lost ten times out over ten times
Speaker 3: that the Russians can again five to one ratio as
Speaker 3: far as fighters they have, plus the developing their own
Speaker 3: amor and they have a long line of people who
Speaker 3: want to fight. Ukrainians can't get people to fight anymore.
Speaker 3: So many of them are wounded. It's hard to find
Speaker 3: men in Ukraine anymore. Now Kiv is doing fine. Selensky
Speaker 3: was so happy he got his money. But that the experts.
Speaker 3: When you hear except for General Jack Keene, but when
Speaker 3: you hear other leaders in the world, world historians, other generals,
Speaker 3: leaders from around the world, they all say the same thing.
Speaker 3: Ukraine lost a long time ago, and that's sixty one
Speaker 3: billion dollars. Whatever gets to the fighters after it goes
Speaker 3: to this corrupt country and they hand out some to
Speaker 3: some of the military and some to Selenski and some
Speaker 3: to ray theon the money gets divided up. They don't
Speaker 3: know what that money's going to do at all. They
Speaker 3: don't have anything they can put it toward that's going
Speaker 3: to help other than more and more Ukrainians are going
Speaker 3: to be slaughtered and killed.
Speaker 2: Ask you who's who's more corrupt in this situation, Russia
Speaker 2: or Ukraine.
Speaker 3: They say, Russia is the second most corrupt country in
Speaker 3: Europe after Ukraine. Yeah, oh yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: Really. I didn't I never I have not heard that.
Speaker 2: I mean I maybe heard it in like I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I never paid attention to you know, uh it
Speaker 2: But I've talked to so many folks. I never I
Speaker 2: don't they don't put it in perspective. This is the
Speaker 2: first time I've heard this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ukraine's always been known to be the most
Speaker 3: corrupt country there. But the thing is that was.
Speaker 2: The bread basket of the world as what yeah, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that it is and in Russia too, but Ukraine
Speaker 3: probably more so. But the thing with Ukraine is when
Speaker 3: they were attacked by Russia, all of us were in
Speaker 3: support of Ukraine. I mean, in Russia do this up
Speaker 3: until alternative news got bigger and bigger, the networks that
Speaker 3: aren't protected and guardrailed against being able to say other
Speaker 3: sources of news coming in. And that's why the rest
Speaker 3: of the world is questioning what we've been hearing all
Speaker 3: these years. So, you know, twenty fourteen, of course, that's
Speaker 3: when the war really started there. Okay, here's an example.
Speaker 3: If somebody said to President Biden, Hey, President Biden, we're
Speaker 3: just going to put fifty thousand folks on your Mexican border.
Speaker 3: You don't mind, do you? Russian troops? It's no way
Speaker 3: we would allow that. We did not allow. That happened
Speaker 3: during Cuban missile crisis. You know sixty three. You can't
Speaker 3: have the enemy's troops on your border. So when the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union broke apart in nineteen ninety one, State Department,
Speaker 3: your State Department shook hands with was which was once
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union. Now all those countries dismantled. Now all
Speaker 3: that's left is Russia. And they said, I'll tell you
Speaker 3: why you let us put Germany back together. Let's tear
Speaker 3: it down that wall. Well, reunite Germany and all those
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen countries that make up the Soviet Union that
Speaker 3: are no longer Soviet Union. We won't try to get
Speaker 3: them into NATO. We won't come one inch closer to
Speaker 3: your border. Well, we've lied, We've taken fourteen of those countries,
Speaker 3: made fourteen of them NATO. So Pultan, who's run the
Speaker 3: country for twenty five years now, he's just saying, you
Speaker 3: can't keep doing that. You can't keep doing it. But
Speaker 3: no matter what, you're not taking Ukraine that's got that
Speaker 3: thousand mile border, whatever it is, you're not coming on
Speaker 3: my border. And we went on the fast track trying
Speaker 3: to get Ukraine into NATO.
Speaker 2: And we have the Nucular Profilation Agreement. Though was the
Speaker 2: Ukraine dissolves its nuclear arms which it had, and it
Speaker 2: would be recognized as its sovereign country by Russia. Was it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did turn into nuclear weapons, right. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's a bad thing or a good thing
Speaker 3: in the long run, but.
Speaker 2: Well, they wanted to be a sovereign nation, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Zelensky. He was an actor like Reagan.
Speaker 2: You like Reagan and Zelensky. Look, Zelensky was also an actor,
Speaker 2: and he was just thrust it into a green sweater
Speaker 2: combat wearing we.
Speaker 3: Can do we we the US. We needed a guy
Speaker 3: who would be yes, we'll do whatever you want. We
Speaker 3: needed a yes man in there. Selensky he very very
Speaker 3: popular guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we're not involved in putting other
Speaker 2: interim governments in You know, my father was a Green
Speaker 2: Beret and they are mobile politicians. Okay, so I'm not
Speaker 2: against those ideas. I just am saying this is what
Speaker 2: i've You know, you've you've probably heard what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, sure, And and you know when Selensky came
Speaker 3: in to tell you the truth when we when Russia
Speaker 3: invaded Ukraine, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Shut down the airliner, right, They shot down the civilian airliner.
Speaker 3: True, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They did some horrific things.
Speaker 3: But when Selensky came in and he was attacked by Putin,
Speaker 3: the world was all forced Selensky. The world was all formed,
Speaker 3: like we got to run to his aid. And I
Speaker 3: say the world, I mean mainly US and NATO, okay,
Speaker 3: European Unions, nations. Uh so yeah, we all back in
Speaker 3: the one. And then you know, then the corruption and
Speaker 3: all the issue that starts emerging a little bit. We
Speaker 3: all knew way before that it was the most corrupt
Speaker 3: country in Europe. Some people say the world. I heard
Speaker 3: it compared to Mexico. I didn't know Mexico was that corrupt,
Speaker 3: but I heard it recently that it's as corrupt or
Speaker 3: more corrupt than Mexico. But anyways, regardless, countries are corrupt,
Speaker 3: and they can say we're corrupt too.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, right, right right, I mean, but.
Speaker 3: Anyways, when Selensky came in, uh, he came in to
Speaker 3: try to end corruption. That was part of his campaign,
Speaker 3: I will end the corruption here. And when he didn't,
Speaker 3: people start going against him a bit, you know, a bit.
Speaker 3: But right now Putin the world is back in putin
Speaker 3: right now on this because he's not attacking civilian populations
Speaker 3: kind of like Israel's doing in Hamas. He's not doing that.
Speaker 3: He's saying, Hey, I told you guys for years, you
Speaker 3: can't bring NATO forces into Ukraine. You can't be on
Speaker 3: my doorstep. Keep Ukraine neutral. That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 2: But who's he to say that? He's not the emperor,
Speaker 2: he's not that, he doesn't run the empire. He's just
Speaker 2: a little man with a complex. Who's he to say?
Speaker 2: Who is he to say that, don't come into the
Speaker 2: Ukraine when it's not even his.
Speaker 3: Well, if you turn it and look at Canada or
Speaker 3: the Mexican border, yea, and China's going to go on
Speaker 3: both borders. We would do our best to stop that too.
Speaker 3: And if he was going to go on the border,
Speaker 3: even though we don't say you, but we would not run.
Speaker 2: But it's not it's it's not like okay, so true, true,
Speaker 2: true kay. Us would not like that. Okay, However, that
Speaker 2: has to be like Mexico doing that, right, because Russia
Speaker 2: would it have to be like Mexico coming to take
Speaker 2: Utah back.
Speaker 3: Well, if Mexico sided with Russia or Mexico, which we which.
Speaker 2: We took from Mexico, and so Mexico's could now Mexico's
Speaker 2: president can say he's the emperor and he wants his
Speaker 2: empire back in that regard.
Speaker 3: And if we allowed that, we could be without a country.
Speaker 2: And then I would be an insurgent. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what I would be called.
Speaker 3: But that's because that's how the whole world has been
Speaker 3: working since one tell you it works, fire truck, bro.
Speaker 2: I'm just I want I just want a snowboard and
Speaker 2: hang out and surf and just like you know, know
Speaker 2: that I am ready to box.
Speaker 3: You know, right, I I I am definitely not like
Speaker 3: what you might think. I mean, my heart breaks for
Speaker 3: the American Native Indians still what we did to them.
Speaker 3: I mean it really really does. I mean when I
Speaker 3: see what we did to them, it breaks my heart.
Speaker 3: It was so wrong. And every aspect of the world, yes,
Speaker 3: and but you know, and it's it's to me, our biggest,
Speaker 3: biggest error we've ever made is people as Americans. You know,
Speaker 3: what became Americans is what we did to Native Americans.
Speaker 3: But then again, every country, every border of every country's
Speaker 3: man made. And this is how this is how it's
Speaker 3: all done. It's not to say it's.
Speaker 2: Right right, otherwise Russia wuld go right back to Mongolia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Russia, Russia right now, all this saying we've
Speaker 3: we've ripped up the peace deal that Putin's been trying
Speaker 3: to have us sign. He wants peace with us, and
Speaker 3: we keep saying, nope, We're going to let these Ukrainians die.
Speaker 3: We're going to put them on the front lines because
Speaker 3: Americans don't really care if Ukrainians die. Nobody really cares.
Speaker 3: You don't see anybody anybody saying all these poor Ukrainians dying,
Speaker 3: You don't. And six hundred thousand of them have died
Speaker 3: because we keep pouring this money in Ukraine. So Ukraine
Speaker 3: will weaken our enemy is the reasonable, well.
Speaker 2: And someone who's a Seal advanced trainer and understands what
Speaker 2: these young men which are who coming through, these twenty
Speaker 2: year old, thirty year old guys are going off to
Speaker 2: do more than anyone is what you know, right, And
Speaker 2: so you know we have the number one military, the
Speaker 2: number one you know, special operations community in the world,
Speaker 2: hands down and that and these young men, you've looked
Speaker 2: them in the eyes, they've crossed your path on their
Speaker 2: way out to other destinations that you know they're just
Speaker 2: going to be asked to go and take care of.
Speaker 2: And and for you to have been so involved in
Speaker 2: that Rubik's Cube of naval special warfare for so many years,
Speaker 2: it's just such a great honor to have a back
Speaker 2: and forth conversation with you where we can show others
Speaker 2: that you don't have to know each other to have
Speaker 2: a candid, casual, respectful conversation with one another. We can
Speaker 2: still break bread, we can still have conversations. We don't
Speaker 2: have to beat each other's throats. You don't have to
Speaker 2: waive a flag. You have to wave one flag, and
Speaker 2: that's just the American flag, okay. And and you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell anybody who you want to
Speaker 2: vote for. You can just go vote and you should.
Speaker 2: And I just encourage that. And I also encourage people
Speaker 2: just go to the recruiter and talk to one and
Speaker 2: see if they can step into a career in the military,
Speaker 2: because you know, the seals, like the Green Berets are
Speaker 2: one for every hundred will make it, you know, so
Speaker 2: if they don't, you still need to be there to
Speaker 2: support them because they're badass and they need that. So
Speaker 2: I think you're a badass and I just want to
Speaker 2: say that to you. Don like just like that, dude.
Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate that. Rad thank you, and I
Speaker 3: really appreciate all you do as well. But you know,
Speaker 3: I like what RFK Junior said. And he was talked to,
Speaker 3: he was asking he was being asked the same issue.
Speaker 3: He just brought up, like, it's great when people can talk.
Speaker 3: It's great, like people have different opinions, can talk. And
Speaker 3: because this culture we have now is, oh, don't bring
Speaker 3: up politics, don't talk about something going your safe zone
Speaker 3: if it's going to bother you or something. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's kind of a strange thing. And RFK Jr. Was
Speaker 3: asked that and I loved his answer, and he said, well, listen,
Speaker 3: I've got one hundred and fifteen people in my family
Speaker 3: and a lot of my relatives are strongly, strongly opposed
Speaker 3: my views, my political views, and some of them oppose
Speaker 3: it so much they go on the network on TV
Speaker 3: channels and they bad mouthed me. But my uncle and
Speaker 3: my father RFK and John FK John F. Kennedy, they
Speaker 3: always told us when you can't talk and you stop talk,
Speaker 3: and that's worse, learn to talk to one another. Just
Speaker 3: learn to talk to one another at Thanksgiving. We have
Speaker 3: different views from different sides of the table, but we
Speaker 3: can all talk about it. And I just like, I
Speaker 3: just wish we were a long ways from that in
Speaker 3: this country as we know.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we could bring it full circle. Hopefully it's
Speaker 2: our conversation right now. That is the missing puzzle piece
Speaker 2: to everything. Just to be copasetic and kumbayab. But if
Speaker 2: it's not, you know, I'm okay with being up trained,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's taking boxing classes or learning how
Speaker 2: to be a better marksman with my rifle or whatever
Speaker 2: the case is, better to be uptrained so I don't
Speaker 2: have to use it. To be humble about.
Speaker 3: It, yeah yeah, you know, and not to sound like
Speaker 3: some radical craze not thinking the world's going to end,
Speaker 3: because I'm not that. But I do strongly feel you know,
Speaker 3: we did drop the bomb twice, you know, and we
Speaker 3: ended the war in Japan, and maybe it saved a
Speaker 3: lot of lives. The thinking right now, but right now
Speaker 3: we have nine countries with nuclear weapons, ten thousand nuclear
Speaker 3: weapons now in this world, all pointing toward one another.
Speaker 3: We have a bunch of those NATO that used to
Speaker 3: be the part of the Union European Union, and now
Speaker 3: we have them there, and we also have them in
Speaker 3: the former war pack countries, and we have them facing Russia,
Speaker 3: they have them facing us, and everybody's on edge. Everybody's
Speaker 3: on edge. And so to your point, I think this
Speaker 3: is the time to talk more because in the big picture,
Speaker 3: this is the most dangerous day in the history of
Speaker 3: the world, and tomorrow is going to be more dangerous.
Speaker 3: And the people who are at those levels and who
Speaker 3: have they're in position to talk to their counters and
Speaker 3: other countries and even in our own country, different sides
Speaker 3: of the aisle. It's the time to do it more
Speaker 3: now than ever before, because we are who you know,
Speaker 3: israel I ran one fatal mistake there.
Speaker 2: You know it already is it's already, It confuses lit.
Speaker 3: It is, it's and it's slid all over the world.
Speaker 3: North Korea can't wait to jump in. Iran trying to
Speaker 3: stay out of the war because they have too much lose.
Speaker 3: Russia doesn't want that war either. They Russia, China and
Speaker 3: Iran have too much to lose if they regional war
Speaker 3: because there's money to be made with the oil and
Speaker 3: everybody needs the oil regardless.
Speaker 2: Of and they have the most. They have one of
Speaker 2: the biggest oil reserves in the world in Iran.
Speaker 3: To us, which we don't touch.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't even know. I don't even
Speaker 2: want that conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I just got to drive to work, that's all I know.
Speaker 2: I am an American, that's all I got to say. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to be that here.
Speaker 3: Enjoy in life and snowboarding and living in the Peak
Speaker 3: country and you and you could tell just by your
Speaker 3: words how much you love it and respect it. And
Speaker 3: then you're good American because you appreciate everything we have here.
Speaker 2: Every single thing, including you and all of those that
Speaker 2: you've helped, like I said, Rubik's Cube over your career
Speaker 2: to go off and do these things, you know, the
Speaker 2: Brandon webs and the and the Latrell's and the Kyle's
Speaker 2: and everybody's learned about and all of the fame and
Speaker 2: you know, these guys going off and given their all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. So, I just want to say so much
Speaker 2: thank you for being back on Soft Reap Radio. You're
Speaker 2: always welcome as a guest to be on soft Reap Radio.
Speaker 2: Your books Inside Seal Team Six, Overcoming Obstacles, Facing Your Fears, Hunt,
Speaker 2: The Wolf Hunt, The Scorpion Hunt, The Falcon United States
Speaker 2: Navy Seal Survival Handbook for those that want to learn
Speaker 2: how to survive like an elite warrior. To your co
Speaker 2: author Ralph, you know your triathlete, combat motivated veteran, that's airborne, scuba,
Speaker 2: quald and the whole nine yard. And you've been a great,
Speaker 2: great guest on the show today, So thank you for
Speaker 2: being here.
Speaker 3: Thank you, rad and thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 3: I look forward to the next time.
Speaker 2: Well, with that said, on behalf of Brandon Web and
Speaker 2: the whole crew that rows the boat here at soft
Speaker 2: Rep Mafia, I want to say thank you. Go check
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Speaker 2: to get Don's books in there. And again on behalf
Speaker 2: of down Man and myself, Rad I say peace.
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