Speaker 1: Ask your question real good, let's just keep it real
Speaker 1: straight out will no chase. So I'm gonna get a
Speaker 1: little bit rougher. I'm here for those who really believe
Speaker 1: in the American process, all of us Street shot no
Speaker 1: chase with your girl, test on figure Out, on the
Speaker 1: Black Effect podcasting at work.
Speaker 2: T everybody, this is teslim figure out.
Speaker 1: I have a very very special guest with me, doctor
Speaker 1: Steve Perry. We do, uh, I guess you would call
Speaker 1: it a cross uh pollinate in many of the same circles.
Speaker 1: And so I thought this was a really, really good conversation.
Speaker 1: I talked about this when I addressed the Candice Owens
Speaker 1: thing that it seems and again it's just personal experience
Speaker 1: when black women, because I want people know where black
Speaker 1: women were at that time and even now and where
Speaker 1: that frustration and that trauma comes from.
Speaker 3: A lot of times with.
Speaker 1: I did posting, but those who are following me put
Speaker 1: a five in the chat. If you remember when I said, now,
Speaker 1: I've been loving on you black man this whole time,
Speaker 1: as an.
Speaker 2: Activist this whole time.
Speaker 1: It is plenty of black conservatives who agree with many
Speaker 1: of the points that a candas Omans have said that's
Speaker 1: never been. We know that they're black people who are
Speaker 1: anti abortion, who are pro TA two A, who are
Speaker 1: pro business, who are anti text, who don't support President Biden,
Speaker 1: who are all of who know that the government is
Speaker 1: against us. But when somebody has made an intentional effort
Speaker 1: to disconnect from you, and.
Speaker 3: Then there's somebody like myself, that's different in politics. That's
Speaker 3: different than politics.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's different. But i'm i'm I'm trying to
Speaker 1: draw a conclusion here on the black woman who has consistently,
Speaker 1: for the most part, not everything perfect, but loved your
Speaker 1: black ass, clear in spite of yourself, in spite of
Speaker 1: what you did, in spite of George Floyd. Yes he
Speaker 1: had a drug problem, Yes he could have complied, Yes,
Speaker 1: all those things, but his life still mattered. So when
Speaker 1: you have a woman who has said, no, George Floyd
Speaker 1: should have should have complied, he is a joke. It
Speaker 1: is a setup, even if you believe that. But you
Speaker 1: went out your way to demonize that man. And then
Speaker 1: you have an activist like myself who the whole time
Speaker 1: been saying I love you the whole time. But now
Speaker 1: that somebody has now pretended to now get you now
Speaker 1: you uplift this person. And I think that goes back
Speaker 1: to a lot of trauma of needing the person that
Speaker 1: never liked me at school, the person that made a point.
Speaker 2: Let me, let me put a pin on this just
Speaker 2: right quick, needing that person to now say, you know what,
Speaker 2: you're worthy.
Speaker 1: And so we now want because I want you to
Speaker 1: chime in on this, and I'm in bearing me guys,
Speaker 1: because I'm we're doing layers here, We're digging deep. When
Speaker 1: you look at that and you look at what O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson being able to say, you know what, you were
Speaker 1: never with us.
Speaker 2: There was a.
Speaker 1: Sector of the black population, and I can just speak
Speaker 1: to women who said, you know what, We're going to
Speaker 1: give you another shot. And that's even happened still today.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you, when you said not me,
Speaker 1: once you make your decision, stay over there, speak on
Speaker 1: it a little bit, doctor Perry, should we be more
Speaker 1: like that or should we say, you know what, We're
Speaker 1: still gonna fight the man together, even if even if
Speaker 1: you don't like us at all.
Speaker 3: So I my grandmother, I loved her with the intensity
Speaker 3: of the sun. And my grandmother, I spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time there and I saw my uncles and father
Speaker 3: and other folks come over to the house, and this
Speaker 3: is how the conversation will go. They come over, Hey, hey,
Speaker 3: how y'all doing. How y'all doing? And we as kids
Speaker 3: sitting there looking like cause they ain't really ask how
Speaker 3: she's doing. And then she and then this is how
Speaker 3: I go. Rest of comes. She goes, mar can, I
Speaker 3: talk to you for a minute. Then my grandmother will
Speaker 3: go over, come out, break them up for twenty or
Speaker 3: whatever she had in there. It seemed like she had
Speaker 3: an atm in there, mm hmm, and then they will leave.
Speaker 3: My grandmother is not the only grandmother who did that.
Speaker 3: My grandmother is among the many mothers who are doing
Speaker 3: that now who want their sons to do right. They
Speaker 3: want things, They want to believe that this time your
Speaker 3: ass is gonna stop. Just now. You want to stop,
Speaker 3: you wanna stop, they tell themselves friends. I grew up
Speaker 3: resenting that move after they would leave, and you know
Speaker 3: when they say a child's place, and I was very mad,
Speaker 3: made very aware of my place. But I'm not saying
Speaker 3: I didn't give it a shot to come up out
Speaker 3: of it during that time. And I would say, Grandma,
Speaker 3: why do you keep giving them money. And she would
Speaker 3: tell me about my place and I would leave it there.
Speaker 3: And my grandfather would you know, he was shrugged in
Speaker 3: this way like like whatever, I can't do anything about it.
Speaker 3: And so as a person, this has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with my studies, This has nothing to do with my work.
Speaker 3: As a person, I struggle mightily to just let somebody back.
Speaker 3: I hold a grudge. I do for a very long time.
Speaker 3: For a very long time, my father and I didn't
Speaker 3: speak for TEA is to be passed. Excuse me. If
Speaker 3: you want me to know who you are, then you
Speaker 3: got to show me who you are. And I have
Speaker 3: to take it for what it is. But I'll say this,
Speaker 3: I'll say this would accept appreciations with I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't with an OJ type, with the Clarence Thomas type
Speaker 3: where we talk about politics or what I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 3: It's say, come on back like everything is cool, because
Speaker 3: it's not cool.
Speaker 2: Plays out, and that plays out trauma.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Yeah, Canice went harder than most? Yes, she
Speaker 3: didn't just say again, except and I believe that when
Speaker 3: we peel back, most black people like if we just
Speaker 3: sit back in a real conversation, Black people, and by
Speaker 3: and large I believe to be more conservative than most
Speaker 3: people realize. Most African Americans who I know generally speaking
Speaker 3: just from a politic not Republican. I want to be clear.
Speaker 2: Because there's a difference.
Speaker 3: We are more conservative.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but doctor Barry, your volume is going in
Speaker 1: and out, your headset maybe going in and out. We
Speaker 1: can hear you, we can hear you, but I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we don't lose this good, this good?
Speaker 3: Is this better? Yes, I think that most black people
Speaker 3: are not who I encounter, are more conservative than we think. Moderately,
Speaker 3: I don't think definitely, but some are straight up against
Speaker 3: many of the things that the Democratic Party asked them
Speaker 3: to go for. Yes, it just just facts, just straight
Speaker 3: up politics, That's what it is. So I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about politics here at all. What I'm saying is when
Speaker 3: someone has made a conscientious effort to destroy African Americans
Speaker 3: and call out black people being black and saying things
Speaker 3: like there is no such thing as racism, and saying
Speaker 3: that racism is a social concert that you internalize and
Speaker 3: accept that that that when you say things like slavery
Speaker 3: was a choice, when you say things like Floyd was
Speaker 3: a drug addict. When you say things like that's not
Speaker 3: the point here, When you do things to disparage and undermine,
Speaker 3: and then again, I'm gonna call this what I call it.
Speaker 3: When I do look at your cookout, when I do
Speaker 3: look at your wedding and you look like a guest
Speaker 3: at your wedding, right, A good guess.
Speaker 2: One of these things.
Speaker 3: When you don't, and you and I both know people,
Speaker 3: it doesn't a cat. I know. He's a really good
Speaker 3: friend of mine. His name is Jonah Cohen. He is
Speaker 3: as Jewish a person as he can be, and he
Speaker 3: tells a story about being If you go to something
Speaker 3: at Jonah's house, Jonah got Black people, the Jewish people.
Speaker 2: He's just a.
Speaker 3: Person, you know what I mean. And Jonah he doesn't
Speaker 3: try to become something that he's naughty. He teaches at
Speaker 3: the community college. You know, he's like that god. Right
Speaker 3: when when my son needs something, Jonah will take care
Speaker 3: of uncle Joonah will take care of it. I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about the binary of race. I'm talking about a
Speaker 3: person who has made a conscious effort to undermine the
Speaker 3: black community. And I have to accept that. If Candice
Speaker 3: Owns was still an employee of the a former employer.
Speaker 3: I have to accept that she would not have gone
Speaker 3: on some of the things that she's gone on and
Speaker 3: says some of the things that she said. I just
Speaker 3: have to believe that I use her and OJ as
Speaker 3: parallels here. I don't have any ill feelings towards Candace
Speaker 3: Owner in terms of I don't know how to feel
Speaker 3: like hate one where I'm just talking about what she's
Speaker 3: presented in the world. I'm talking about what the way
Speaker 3: I've internalized what she said. I use her. And I
Speaker 3: want to say this because I don't want to just
Speaker 3: stay on the on the right. Because you and I
Speaker 3: both know this. There are more than a few people
Speaker 3: who we consider left leaning progressives who ain't much different than.
Speaker 2: She is, oh no question, and they hide behind their
Speaker 2: left foff. Don't just let me just told you.
Speaker 3: Let me just told you that politics ain't no safe
Speaker 3: for black people either. You don't want them making decisions
Speaker 3: on your behalf either, because I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 3: So what happens is they get away with so many
Speaker 3: of these people who are on the left, who are black,
Speaker 3: who are highly educated. If you check the pedigree, check
Speaker 3: the pedigree check, they just the internet talking about what
Speaker 3: they feel and what they don't feel, and they can
Speaker 3: they always have as their as their rules, as their
Speaker 3: as their anti hero Trump, so they can always talk
Speaker 3: about Trump what you actually do, just because you have
Speaker 3: a Twitter following of just because they trust you on MSNBC,
Speaker 3: just because they trust you as the DEI person at
Speaker 3: your company. What I want people to understand, real and
Speaker 3: true is these large white corporations and universities do not
Speaker 3: hire African Americans who they think are going to change
Speaker 3: the college's culture, the company's culture. So if you see
Speaker 3: somebody doctor Gay who is heading up something like Harvard University,
Speaker 3: they hired her because they knew that she wasn't going
Speaker 3: to do a damn thing to change that institution nothing.
Speaker 3: She wasn't going to do anything to make that organization
Speaker 3: have more African Americans work there, or become employees there,
Speaker 3: I mean, or go to school there. The point I'm
Speaker 3: making is this, the conversation is bigger than looking at
Speaker 3: the right leaning or rightest black people who left behind,
Speaker 3: like the Clarence Thomases or the Candice Owners, because there
Speaker 3: are people on the left who the same damn thing,
Speaker 3: and we all know who they are and if you
Speaker 3: and I I try to call the people's names.
Speaker 1: People be like yo for real, yes, and I know
Speaker 1: people are and I want to reset again. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much of people like nat Babe twenty one, who's
Speaker 1: saying I'm watching you guys on YouTube and she's on
Speaker 1: the Instagram because she don't want to miss a word.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I'm gonna let you reset. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you take your headset out. We do hear
Speaker 1: you well, but I'm nervous that I don't know if
Speaker 1: your battery is going out again. Guys, can we got
Speaker 1: about eight hundred people who are watching on my stream
Speaker 1: on my YouTube. We also have this on two way
Speaker 1: as well, Google two Way on your YouTube. Teeslim figure
Speaker 1: out and tap in on this. This is a very
Speaker 1: very important conversation with my friend doctor Steve Perry. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to reset. This is normally just a thirty
Speaker 1: minute show, but as you see, this is how we
Speaker 1: talk all the time, guys. And you may be wondering,
Speaker 1: and I won't hold you up too much longer because
Speaker 1: we can do several shows on it. It's so many
Speaker 1: onions with this old Jay Simpson and people wonder, well,
Speaker 1: how did we get into politics. How did it go
Speaker 1: from talking about oj Simpson dying of cancer to what
Speaker 1: was happening at the trial at that time?
Speaker 2: How did it go to interracial relationships?
Speaker 1: How did it slide down the Candice Owans and the
Speaker 1: Jonathan Majors, And then how do we start talking about
Speaker 1: conservative and liberal?
Speaker 2: Well, the answer is for those that did not live
Speaker 2: in real.
Speaker 1: Time during that time, this case had all of those things.
Speaker 2: All of those things.
Speaker 1: It was one of the most profound real time case
Speaker 1: studies on race.
Speaker 2: I encourage you to call.
Speaker 3: The trial of the century. It was not because a reason,
Speaker 3: not because a man killed his wife. Because you can
Speaker 3: watch forty eight hours every Friday night and or twenty
Speaker 3: twenty and you will see guess who killed the wife? Right,
Speaker 3: let's guess who killed her. That happens all the time. Sadly,
Speaker 3: marriage apparently brings out the worst in somebody's folks, but
Speaker 3: that happens all the time. This was the trial of
Speaker 3: the century because for the first time you saw black
Speaker 3: privilege up on trial. Is it possible in the States
Speaker 3: of America for black privilege to beat white privilege?
Speaker 2: Right of unheard of?
Speaker 1: We forgot about what was happening with Chris Darden, who
Speaker 1: was the prosecutor on the top. Still a black man,
Speaker 1: still a black man that lived in the community, still
Speaker 1: a black man.
Speaker 2: That now again Chris.
Speaker 3: Darden representatlack of OJ.
Speaker 1: That's right, black of an OJ and also representing many
Speaker 1: of black people who had their children murdered. And also
Speaker 1: want to bring this point because again I know people
Speaker 1: don't like it when I bring this up, but it
Speaker 1: is important. Johnny Cochran was a prosecutor at one point
Speaker 1: in time. I know y'all don't know that. I know
Speaker 1: y'all liked it. Ignore that, But Johnny Cocker was a
Speaker 1: prosecutor at one time.
Speaker 3: Folks, which means he's putting black people away, which means
Speaker 3: he's putting black people away.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear about this.
Speaker 1: So there's so many different layers to this that we
Speaker 1: can talk about. And and before we get I want
Speaker 1: to be respectful your time, because guys, again they're saying
Speaker 1: they're putting the three. They want you to come back
Speaker 1: down there because what about what Chris This ring Chris
Speaker 1: Darden now at the game, remember he went through like
Speaker 1: a depression with it.
Speaker 3: Actually hurt me because because because because Chris well, here's
Speaker 3: why Chris got jammed up. He got caught up in
Speaker 3: undertoe again. I want us to be reminded that during
Speaker 3: this time, our music was telling us to fight the power.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could go to a party and listen
Speaker 3: to revolutionary music. Not shake that ass. Make let that
Speaker 3: Cuchie breathe. That's not what that That's not what we
Speaker 3: were listening to.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest now, now hold on now because it.
Speaker 1: Was now I'm texting it to I don't want to
Speaker 1: not because I gotta make sure I'm that that wasn't
Speaker 1: I want I'm a liar because I was in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five. I want to be clear, and nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: five I was listening to say that came I and
Speaker 1: that came afterwards.
Speaker 2: Of Little Kim and Muss, that came out.
Speaker 3: I just want to make it, but I want to
Speaker 3: But that came, But that came afterwards.
Speaker 2: That came afterwards, that.
Speaker 3: Ninety five, No, ninety five, that came after the eighties
Speaker 3: where you had talk clear about the.
Speaker 1: Time because I was because I want people to think
Speaker 1: of mine because I.
Speaker 2: Was absolutely that was back.
Speaker 3: That was back in the mid in the late eighties,
Speaker 3: early nineties was when I was when hip hop was
Speaker 3: alive and breathing in me, and that you got to
Speaker 3: be clear all.
Speaker 2: The time got to some time.
Speaker 3: But but but but the point is that it came afterwards,
Speaker 3: and that that was That wasn't the that wasn't the move.
Speaker 3: So you had all these things happened. Remember, you also
Speaker 3: had for the first time people like Eddie Murphy. You
Speaker 3: had people who were black people who were in the
Speaker 3: media who were creating these stories. Harlem Knights, Yes, Harlem
Speaker 3: Knights had come out. Harlem Knights.
Speaker 1: You guys can put a pin right there, right quick, quick, pin,
Speaker 1: because I want you to know. I want people to
Speaker 1: know why Harlem Knights was so important, How how sharp
Speaker 1: those brothers dress, because we gotta deal with that, Jeffery,
Speaker 1: the way everything about it, the way Johnny Cochran walked in.
Speaker 3: The room with his he channeled all of that. Johnny Cocker,
Speaker 3: to your point about teaching how to win in the
Speaker 3: court of public opinion, Johnny Cocker said, oh, black medallion's
Speaker 3: no gold. I got that oh coming in, sharp, I
Speaker 3: got that oh coming in. Johnny Cochran literally went on
Speaker 3: the shelf and he went into the cupboard of the
Speaker 3: black community, and he pulled out all of the greatest hits.
Speaker 3: If Johnny Cochran could have come into come into the
Speaker 3: courtroom with a theme song, he would have come in
Speaker 3: with a theme song. He had come in with something
Speaker 3: like Marvin Gay, what's going on? Johnny Cock would have
Speaker 3: clicked his his Coke value bow and then coming there
Speaker 3: we heard that way he came in there, OJ was
Speaker 3: just the scene of the action. He wasn't why we
Speaker 3: were there. People didn't come out loving OJ for that, right,
Speaker 3: they celebrated Johnny, not o.
Speaker 1: Jake right, right, and that and that is truly what
Speaker 1: it was about. I wonder though I think that has shifted. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I think it hasn't shifted. I think I think that
Speaker 1: the I think the message now is even stronger than
Speaker 1: before because since then we've seen more of because remember
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the conversation you pointed out for
Speaker 1: the first time seeing what we already knew about Ronnick,
Speaker 1: about Rodney King. Then we've seen tray Von Martin, even
Speaker 1: though that wasn't about the police. Still, we've seen George Floyd.
Speaker 1: We've seen you know, the many, many many murder. We've
Speaker 1: seen the Marbrary of them, all of them.
Speaker 2: We've seen it.
Speaker 1: So now, even more now than ever, people are saying,
Speaker 1: this was a chance, this was an opportunity that the
Speaker 1: man beat the system. And that's what this has always
Speaker 1: been about. And White America has said, and even something
Speaker 1: Black America. But a person was murdered. Speak to that
Speaker 1: a little bit, doctor parent that I and I won't
Speaker 1: be mindful of your time. But why do you think
Speaker 1: that people are dismissive of the murder?
Speaker 2: Do you think I do?
Speaker 3: I do? I do? I mean? Because here's what it is.
Speaker 3: Even we in this conversation, I haven't talked about Nicole Brown.
Speaker 3: Whatever she was, wasn't She was much more than a
Speaker 3: white woman. She was somebody's mother, She was a wife.
Speaker 3: It appears that she was someone who people cared about
Speaker 3: very deeply. She has a daughter, sister, and that she
Speaker 3: is now tied through eternity to an issue of race,
Speaker 3: when one might be able to argue that, at least
Speaker 3: for her, she fell in love with the man and
Speaker 3: they raised children together. She'd be in her seventies now, right.
Speaker 3: Maybe I guess she's a little younger than him, so
Speaker 3: maybe she would not don't know her exact age. It's
Speaker 3: a terrible thing. And again, anyone who's ever been in
Speaker 3: in the domestic violence situation, or who has been raised
Speaker 3: in one, or who has worked with people or in
Speaker 3: one and stuff ain't cool, man, It's not. It's not cool.
Speaker 3: And in at least from why do you think they're ignored?
Speaker 2: Why do you think that was ignored?
Speaker 1: Like when we look at the stats on domestic violence
Speaker 1: that can that can absolutely turn into murder. Why do
Speaker 1: you think that that was ignored as not even a possibility?
Speaker 3: You know, because as I said at the top of this,
Speaker 3: OJ Simpson was sold to us as the goofy, appable guy.
Speaker 3: He was Patrick Mahomes doing insurance commercials. That's who he
Speaker 3: was to us. He was a funny guy who didn't
Speaker 3: take himself too seriously. He was in the Naked Gun movies,
Speaker 3: which was a huge franchise for a lot of us
Speaker 3: to go and watch. And you have to keep in mind,
Speaker 3: for real, for real, you mentioned good Times, You mentioned uh,
Speaker 3: you mentioned good Times, You mentioned Sanfordan's son and other Jeffersons.
Speaker 3: You mentioned those three. Yes, but I want people to
Speaker 3: keep in mind that during this time, we rarely saw
Speaker 3: black people on television. You could watch the Today Show
Speaker 3: and see all black hosts on the Today Show on
Speaker 3: any given day. But I grew up during a time
Speaker 3: when you would get a call, yo, there are black
Speaker 3: people on TV. Turn the channel, and so you turn
Speaker 3: the channel trying to find black people on television. I
Speaker 3: grew up during a time when you could only listen
Speaker 3: to black music, meaning not Michael Jackson. On Sundays on
Speaker 3: college radio in most parts of the country, it would
Speaker 3: star Wars Gospel, it would work its way to R
Speaker 3: and B, it would go to hip hop, and then
Speaker 3: they would finish with the Quiet Storm. That's the only
Speaker 3: way you could hear black music, so or if you
Speaker 3: went to the record store and bought it. So keep
Speaker 3: in mind that there were very few black people who
Speaker 3: were the chosen ones, and he was the chosen one.
Speaker 3: He was the chosen one. Whether we liked him or
Speaker 3: whether we dont we could accept the fact that he
Speaker 3: was a Housen trophy. What we could accept the fact
Speaker 3: he was an affable guy. He was by and large
Speaker 3: a likable god.
Speaker 1: So and even though he was the chosen one, and
Speaker 1: he and he would man it would say abandon us
Speaker 1: or maybe black women at that time. I wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to know what that felt like when he left his
Speaker 1: black wife. But I think there's something too you saying
Speaker 1: he was the chosen one. And when it appeared that
Speaker 1: he was willing to come back, we wanted that so bad.
Speaker 1: We wanted we want we want to know that we're
Speaker 1: worthy enough to circle the block. We want to know that,
Speaker 1: you know, even though we that that we even know
Speaker 1: we know the reasons why he did, there's.
Speaker 2: Something in our mind that delusion.
Speaker 3: We want to know that maybe he just something happened
Speaker 3: before that though, and the sins that I remember, so
Speaker 3: something happened even before the trial. Remember the white Bronco chase,
Speaker 3: the low speed Bronco chase, his boy, his boy right,
Speaker 3: ron is driving the car. He's driving the Bronco. OJ's
Speaker 3: laid down in the back and on the overpasses people
Speaker 3: had signs, run OJ run, Run OJ run. This is
Speaker 3: in the same city that had had a riot a
Speaker 3: couple of years before, because a black man has been
Speaker 3: beating damn near to death. And so now they're like,
Speaker 3: this one's gonna get away. Not like he could go anywhere.
Speaker 3: He just went home. But so it was more than
Speaker 3: whether he was coming back. Black people and other people
Speaker 3: were on the overpasses sharing this man on like one
Speaker 3: of us maybe will make it out. It's awful that
Speaker 3: children have a mother who's murdered. It's awful that a
Speaker 3: father has a daughter who's who's who've been murdered. It's
Speaker 3: awful that a sister and nieces and children who that
Speaker 3: they that they'll never get to. They don't know what
Speaker 3: her sense of humor would have turned into when she
Speaker 3: got older. And you know what kind of grandmother would
Speaker 3: she had been, and you know what was she had
Speaker 3: done with her life. Maybe she'd have done something really
Speaker 3: really powerful, or maybe she wouldn't, but we'll never know,
Speaker 3: because in my opinion, OJ killed her. And people, I
Speaker 3: want to say this one quick thing about this really quickly.
Speaker 3: People say, well, how could he have done that? People
Speaker 3: forget that OJ Simpson was a very large man, very
Speaker 3: large strong man. We're not talking about a guy who's
Speaker 3: five five, one hundred and forty pounds going up against
Speaker 3: his sisters one hundred forty four pounds and they date.
Speaker 3: It's like a bang out, which I'm a very small
Speaker 3: young woman and a very large, strong, world class athlete.
Speaker 1: Right that was on the field being hit and hitting
Speaker 1: strong men him.
Speaker 3: And treated those men who hit him like tissue paper.
Speaker 3: When you see what he was able to do with
Speaker 3: the strongest men alive at that time, Yes, what he
Speaker 3: was able to do, y'all didn't want OJ grabber you.
Speaker 3: You didn't want OJ grabb.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a woman that was probably one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds at best, and and even rob at
Speaker 1: the yeah, even right at the time. Very well, I
Speaker 1: think he was one hundred thirty pound like for the
Speaker 1: like very small small people. And I this is a
Speaker 1: whole nother podcast because I really love getting to the
Speaker 1: evidence of this case. But but continue, because you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna be man saying, oh, Jay didn't do it.
Speaker 2: Where where are y'all getting?
Speaker 3: I'm just get particular.
Speaker 2: Letnim look at the evidence. We'll go They say blood
Speaker 2: would have been.
Speaker 3: Everything, We'll go ahead, Yeah it was. But anyway, I digree.
Speaker 3: So for me, for me, we owe it to every
Speaker 3: single woman who right now is thinking I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: say nothing. I ain't gonna say nothing because if I
Speaker 3: say something, people and think I'm lying, like they thought
Speaker 3: Nicole Brown Sceptum was lying and I'm not gonna say
Speaker 3: nothing about it, you know, I'm just gonna take this
Speaker 3: ass and maybe he'll stop and maybe, you know, because
Speaker 3: he doesn't beat my ass every day, he beats to
Speaker 3: some time. And so when he's not beating my ass,
Speaker 3: he's a good dude, Like he's a good father, he's
Speaker 3: a good earner, whatever they think, the good is that
Speaker 3: he is that's worked the behind women that they keep taking.
Speaker 3: We cannot have a conversation about OJ Simpson without having
Speaker 3: a very important conversation about how part is an eye
Speaker 3: as a heterosexual black man and father who has sons,
Speaker 3: so I'm not even talking about my daughters, who has sons,
Speaker 3: have an obligation to make sure that when dudes do,
Speaker 3: when we know dudes put their hands on women, calling
Speaker 3: the bitches that they are calling, the clowns that they
Speaker 3: are calling, the weak men that they are. If you're
Speaker 3: a man you put your hands on a woman, you're
Speaker 3: a punk. You're weak ass punk. I don't care what
Speaker 3: they get mouthy. If you're concerned about a woman beating
Speaker 3: your ass, we got a bigger problem. So in this case,
Speaker 3: we have to take this opportunity in the most guttural
Speaker 3: honest sense and call out what needs to be called out.
Speaker 3: We could talk about him being a sellout and him
Speaker 3: being in the white communion and the waters other things.
Speaker 3: That is cool. But if and we do know this
Speaker 3: from the evidence of the case, that he did put
Speaker 3: his hands on her, we know he did. We know
Speaker 3: he absolutely did. She didn't give herself that black eye,
Speaker 3: she didn't beat herself up. Come on, man, come on man.
Speaker 3: But he got away with because he was the chosen one.
Speaker 3: He got away with it and not everybody, very few
Speaker 3: people are married to going with Dayton whatever we call
Speaker 3: it today, messing with a world class athlete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well she you can hear on the
Speaker 2: novel one tape saying he's going to get away with it.
Speaker 1: Again, I mean, she literally was saved when she was
Speaker 1: called But and again this is not me caping form
Speaker 1: the cole. I'm just telling you guys in the comments
Speaker 1: what the evidence actually was. And there was also a
Speaker 1: lot of evidence that did not make it to the trial.
Speaker 1: For example, the woman that said she saw O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson driving away from Bundy Drive, but because she went
Speaker 1: and talked to the media of the National Choir picked
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: That was thrown out.
Speaker 1: There was also evidence where the guy who lived in
Speaker 1: the Coal's apartment complex said I heard a black man
Speaker 1: you know, arguing with them, and that got thrown out
Speaker 1: because Johnny Cochran, again being a spectacular defense attorney as
Speaker 1: he should, got that thrown out because he said, what
Speaker 1: as a black man sound like? There was many pieces
Speaker 1: of this that did not make it, you know, to
Speaker 1: the trial because again the legal team was indeed the
Speaker 1: defense attorney would and then we'll close out here because
Speaker 1: I again, I could have a whole podcast just about
Speaker 1: the evidence along. But for me, even as a child
Speaker 1: or teenager at that time, for me, it was always
Speaker 1: and all those things you talk about, you know where
Speaker 1: people can say circumstantial or just caulse somebody beat somebody
Speaker 1: on me, they'll kill him. For me, it was always
Speaker 1: the limo driver. That was always because I always looked
Speaker 1: at the limo driver doesn't have a dog in the fight.
Speaker 1: It was documented what time he arrived, and there was
Speaker 1: ten tens somewhere around that time. It was documented that
Speaker 1: he called in to say, hey, mister Census not here.
Speaker 1: It was documented that he called back, that he rang
Speaker 1: the doorbell several several times, it was documented that he
Speaker 1: called back and said, oh, I see him now. You
Speaker 1: saw the black, shadowy figure going.
Speaker 2: To the house, And it was documented when he came out.
Speaker 1: All of these things of that time, of what was
Speaker 1: happening during that time was documented.
Speaker 2: And so I always looked at that piece of evidence.
Speaker 1: And they've done this, guys like you guys got to
Speaker 1: go back and just watch all of this and come
Speaker 1: up with your own narrative. But the between him and
Speaker 1: Kato Kato, Kato saying that he heard the thump at
Speaker 1: that exact time on his air condition, yes, that he
Speaker 1: was on the phone with his friend and said, I
Speaker 1: just heard something outside that that was where the gut
Speaker 1: the glove was found.
Speaker 2: All of those things with people that didn't have a
Speaker 2: dog in the fight, that really had no reason to
Speaker 2: for that timeline to add up. They checked the phone records.
Speaker 2: He was on the phone at that time, like all
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was always about looking at what
Speaker 1: happened during that time. Either you did it or you
Speaker 1: know who did it, or you were there or something
Speaker 1: there was some connection with that. And remember he did
Speaker 1: a big pr campaign after he got away, after he
Speaker 1: was found not guilty I'm gonna find who murdered my wife.
Speaker 1: We never heard anything. What we did here was a
Speaker 1: book that said if I did it.
Speaker 2: What we did here was mocking.
Speaker 1: Like guys, now you can go on Instagram and look,
Speaker 1: well and somebody saying the glove didn't fit. Again, these
Speaker 1: are people that just watched the trial this one time
Speaker 1: and see these or see these men.
Speaker 3: You took a glove and if you take a lether
Speaker 3: glove and you're dropping in water and let it dry
Speaker 3: on two sides of the smaller, correct.
Speaker 2: That's the correct. That's the fact.
Speaker 1: And it was also under another piece of plastic. He
Speaker 1: had to have his hands in plastic. So again, there
Speaker 1: are many many things that people have to look at
Speaker 1: when you look at this case. The dramatization that was
Speaker 1: in the media, like people are saying in the comments
Speaker 1: old the glove didn't fit, the genius line by Johnny
Speaker 1: Cochran from the esteemed Johnny Cocker, if it doesn't fit,
Speaker 1: you mustle quit.
Speaker 2: All of those things. The media going out.
Speaker 1: Johnny Copper also organized around this, had community activists around this,
Speaker 1: had people on the ground who were sending the message,
Speaker 1: which is why when I train how to win in the.
Speaker 2: Court of public opinion.
Speaker 1: Is very important that you're keeping the narrative, that we
Speaker 1: create our own narrative. This is why I tell people
Speaker 1: when people say protests don't matter and what you're doing
Speaker 1: done matter, Yes it does, because what we're doing is
Speaker 1: actually preparing that jury. And we can see this by
Speaker 1: example with the George Floyd matter, with when Derek Sharvin
Speaker 1: was on trial. Guys, go back and look and see
Speaker 1: where the jury where the guy the people who actually
Speaker 1: recorded said, well, I knew to take out my phone
Speaker 1: and record it because I knew something wasn't right about this.
Speaker 2: Well, how did they learn this?
Speaker 1: Through the protests, through the education of social justice, through
Speaker 1: saying if you see something recorded.
Speaker 2: Through all of these things, guys, we have crew.
Speaker 1: That's right, created an environment where now you are actually
Speaker 1: getting the jury, getting your jury to think how you
Speaker 1: need them to think when they get in that booth,
Speaker 1: in that in that uh in that booth, and it
Speaker 1: has it has played for our advantage. The problem means
Speaker 1: people don't want to sign up for jury duty. They
Speaker 1: do anything to get out of jury. Do not understanding
Speaker 1: we need you in that needs you there because you
Speaker 1: have a different perspective and that's what you see, uh
Speaker 1: with George something. Somebody also said Mark Ferman, we forgot
Speaker 1: all about that. That's a whole other conversation. When Mark
Speaker 1: Furman when they when he when they called him on
Speaker 1: tape saying the racist.
Speaker 2: Things that he said, it was over with from the
Speaker 2: idea of.
Speaker 1: Reason, that's right, that's right when the person is racist
Speaker 1: as hell, that founds the glove.
Speaker 2: Find the glove. We automata saying there's.
Speaker 1: No way he can be telling truth. And people also
Speaker 1: need to look at reasonable doubt. I encourage you to
Speaker 1: go look that up because there a lot of people
Speaker 1: like throwing that out.
Speaker 2: All you need is one reason that really.
Speaker 1: Reason of doubt doesn't mean just anything. It has to
Speaker 1: be something of stack, you know, that makes sense. And
Speaker 1: so the way this dream team put it together from
Speaker 1: the forensic science with DNA, which by the way, guys
Speaker 1: Bary Shake even today founded, uh the heit Assist project
Speaker 1: got plenty brothers out right now. People don't even know
Speaker 1: about that. The Nocent Price Jack, we do work with them.
Speaker 1: Barry Shak founded that based on DNA. When you had
Speaker 1: Barry shape with DNA, when you had Flee Bailey, notorious
Speaker 1: for how he delivered, and how he was able to
Speaker 1: drive a point home. He was the one that questioned
Speaker 1: Mark Ferman. You know, people didn't like it the way
Speaker 1: I questioned Vivid Ramasama. They still talking about there to
Speaker 1: this day. But that was a Flee Bailey style.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I remember Doctor Perry watching this as a teenager saying, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm the Aflee Bailey. That was who I gravitated to.
Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily the smooth you know, Johnny Cochran.
Speaker 2: It was the Flee ba Bailey. Did you or did
Speaker 2: you not say nigga?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: It was it was all of those things. It was
Speaker 1: the Carl Douglas. It was that meticulously went through blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. It was Barry Shack, who was the DNA king.
Speaker 1: This was when DNA was early in its early days
Speaker 1: and was able to show one in five.
Speaker 2: Billion, whatever that number was.
Speaker 1: This could have possibly been anybody you know, putting that
Speaker 1: data out.
Speaker 2: There strateges it going through.
Speaker 1: It was Barry Shack saying how about that, mister funk.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I know this case inside.
Speaker 3: And you do you do? And here's that's the that's
Speaker 3: the inside of the courtroom. But what we also have to
Speaker 3: think about this happening. During this time, we talked about music,
Speaker 3: We talked about music being conscious and black consciousness, and
Speaker 3: and and we talk about the creation for the first
Speaker 3: time and of not black exploitation cinema, but actual black
Speaker 3: celebrations cinema, cinema, boomerang, house party, all these movies that
Speaker 3: we were starting to watch that were showing black people
Speaker 3: as being like just people, like normal people. And that
Speaker 3: we also have to realize that we saw Johnny Cochran
Speaker 3: as a lead attorney. Now you turn on the TV,
Speaker 3: you see a whole bunch of black people play judges,
Speaker 3: and but that's not It was not the case back then.
Speaker 3: We were criminals and everything like that. I'm gonna take
Speaker 3: it one step further. I'm taking that one step to
Speaker 3: come go back to go forth. Remember Doug Williams, whose
Speaker 3: football I have right here. Doug Williams had just been it,
Speaker 3: just won a Super Bowl. We still didn't have black
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the NFL. Did you think we don't have
Speaker 3: black coaches? Now?
Speaker 2: What did you think we had back that?
Speaker 3: Black people were not in leadership roles? All we were
Speaker 3: were athletes at best. So here you have Johnny Cochran
Speaker 3: playing way outside it, punching way above his weight, leading
Speaker 3: the dream team against the United States of America. Come on,
Speaker 3: not since us Houston in u In Brown digital or
Speaker 3: or Thurgood Marshall, and not since Ben had you found
Speaker 3: a black person as an attorney in such a high
Speaker 3: profile role. And he wasn't this time fighting a race case.
Speaker 3: He was actually fighting a criminal case. We had never
Speaker 3: seen anything like that. There was no such thing. And
Speaker 3: then it was on TV. There cameras in the courtroom.
Speaker 3: What we saw for the first time was justice unfolding.
Speaker 3: Because to your points, as a lot of black people
Speaker 3: have never been in the court room. We never been jurors.
Speaker 3: We always been defendants. So we've seen government from a
Speaker 3: whole different side. So when you see someone like when
Speaker 3: you see someone like who I'm thinking of the defense
Speaker 3: the uh prosecutor. You said his name earlier, Chris Darden,
Speaker 3: Chris Darden. When you talking about someone like Chris Darden,
Speaker 3: he's working for the government. He's just working for the man.
Speaker 3: He ain't nothing but an overseer. So you're seeing a
Speaker 3: time in American history when all these elements are coming together.
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're watching the Redskins fan. I'm
Speaker 3: a Dallas Cowboys fan. I as a Dallas college This
Speaker 3: should be a sacrilegious I have a signed football from
Speaker 3: Doug Williams because when Doug Williams won the MVP for
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, we won the Super Bowl. It proved
Speaker 3: that we could do it. When Johnny Cochrane did that,
Speaker 3: he proved to so many young black men that we
Speaker 3: could be that too, so many young black women that
Speaker 3: we could do that too. You know, you connected to
Speaker 3: athlete Bailey, but what we all know is that the
Speaker 3: quarterback of that team was John Cochran.
Speaker 2: Situation cat.
Speaker 1: And I and and I want to be clear like
Speaker 1: I connected to you know, I'm a bootleg preacher.
Speaker 2: You know I be preaching, So I.
Speaker 1: Connected to the pasttorial delivery of Johnny Cochrane for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in my debate style that, yeah, that
Speaker 1: some people. I got to be clear back for the
Speaker 1: people on here because I want to think that I'm
Speaker 1: connecting no white man when it comes to my debate
Speaker 1: style that people still can't get over there. They say
Speaker 1: that every day on the Breakfast Club. I has vivid
Speaker 1: Ramsami a year ago and they still talking about that
Speaker 1: and and the reON because it.
Speaker 2: Is so tenacious and so uh.
Speaker 1: Like a guy told me last week, ambushy, you know
Speaker 1: that that style. I was watching it in real time,
Speaker 1: but I still appreciated the pasttorial.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I do that sometimes people on my on my
Speaker 2: I G.
Speaker 1: They see me, uh, I may come for some and
Speaker 1: then all immediately go to what you know, I still
Speaker 1: love you, sweetheart.
Speaker 2: That was the Johnny cockran stad we judge, O, pardon me, judge.
Speaker 1: You know he had a way of a charisma about himself,
Speaker 1: so I picked up for me.
Speaker 2: I picked up. I tried to look at his charisma.
Speaker 1: I looked at Ethlee Bailey, known as a junkyard dog.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be the junkyard dog. I looked
Speaker 1: at you know, what Carl Douglas was doing. I looked
Speaker 1: at the ability for Barry Shack to break down DNA
Speaker 1: in an understandable way. Which is why Charlemane caused me
Speaker 1: to hook whisper, because he said, you can explain things
Speaker 1: in ways that people cannot. And I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: him being able to make it so simple for people.
Speaker 1: How they were walking over the evidence, how you know
Speaker 1: they weren't being careful. They didn't have gloves, they didn't
Speaker 1: all that, and I remember the moment of saying, how
Speaker 1: about that, mister Fond and just being able to show
Speaker 1: that they didn't have gloves at that particular time when
Speaker 1: they were picking up that particular piece of evidence. It
Speaker 1: wiped out everything in addition to the Mark Ferman. So
Speaker 1: it was so many layers of this case that I
Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you being today.
Speaker 1: I'm really I keep saying, I'm gonna let you go
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna spend more time talking about because there
Speaker 1: is one, you know, Rest in peace to O. J. Simpson,
Speaker 1: whether you loved, did not love, admired for whatever reason, resented,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. A family did lose a dad, you know,
Speaker 1: and and a father and all of those things. And
Speaker 1: at the same time, so did Nicole Brown Simpson. This
Speaker 1: is going to bring Ron and Ron Goldman, and people
Speaker 1: are mad at at Caitlin. And I'm gonna say this
Speaker 1: to the people who and you know, I don't care
Speaker 1: for nobody, but I'm gonna say this to the people
Speaker 1: who got on my live saying, you know, Kaitlyn Jenner
Speaker 1: was wrong for what she said. Well, people have to
Speaker 1: remember at that time, she Caitlyn Jenner was the husband
Speaker 1: of the Kardashian who was Nicole's one of the Cole's
Speaker 1: best friends. So and a lot of people may not
Speaker 1: know that. So when they when the Kardashians was going
Speaker 1: through this, Just so y'all don't know because a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't do their history. They just be talking, Uh, Kardashian,
Speaker 1: what's my mom's name, Missus kardashi you know, for example,
Speaker 1: forgetting Chris Chris. Chris Kardashian was the wife of Robert Kardashian,
Speaker 1: who was the lead attorney on the Simpson case. Yes,
Speaker 1: before you, that's why he was losing the case.
Speaker 2: And he did not believe. He believed in o J.
Speaker 1: He was the first one there. People need to understand this.
Speaker 1: He was the first one that he was his best friend.
Speaker 1: But as a gift, that's right. As the evidence started unfolding,
Speaker 1: he began to believe that o J did it.
Speaker 2: Now he stayed on the case through resentment.
Speaker 1: I'm not through resent I don't know why he stayed
Speaker 1: on the case, but he started to believe I don't
Speaker 1: believe OJD. And if people go back and look at
Speaker 1: the verdict, and and look at when they said not guilt.
Speaker 2: See look at Kardashian's face. He literally shod like he said,
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't believe it. He literally he thought, oh,
Speaker 2: Jay did it.
Speaker 1: So I want guys to understand that that when you're
Speaker 1: seeing Haitlen Jenner make that comment. She was the husband
Speaker 1: of the best friend of that family at that time.
Speaker 1: And they said, but.
Speaker 3: They were all friends. They were all part of a
Speaker 3: friendship network. So it's just imagine if you will your
Speaker 3: friend is killed by another one of your friends, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, he y'all ain't gonna be like all rip
Speaker 3: sleeping peace. You're not gonna do that. You're gonna be
Speaker 3: like good riddans at best. The most polite thing you're
Speaker 3: gonna say if your man, if you cool with a
Speaker 3: couple and he kills her or she him and gets
Speaker 3: away with it, y'all probably gonna have some choice word
Speaker 3: for him too.
Speaker 1: So and in the me and for them, they believed
Speaker 1: he did it, and they believed it based upon the
Speaker 1: relationship that.
Speaker 2: They had they were when they were around her.
Speaker 1: So God, you gotta, yeah, you gotta be mindful of y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all don't understand like if you, if you, if you
Speaker 1: with the cruel people, y'all all growing up together, you'all
Speaker 1: married at the same time. You know, when certain people
Speaker 1: come to the crib and y'all about to have a
Speaker 1: cookout or a party, whatever you like, they've just been arguing.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: Dang, she come in, she crying, and he come in.
Speaker 3: He voices rats because they didn't have another argument. And
Speaker 3: then you hear you hear she's dead. And did you
Speaker 3: know them well enough to know that she has told
Speaker 3: you that he beats your ass, right, I mean, I
Speaker 3: will hold the grudge on that one.
Speaker 1: Mean, I mean that definitely she had Definitely she has
Speaker 1: the right to have an opinion on it, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and so I'm just pointing it out for those
Speaker 1: who are not familiar with it, that that is coming
Speaker 1: from a very personal place. It's not just a hot take,
Speaker 1: you know, whether you agree with it or not. Kaitlin's
Speaker 1: not just making a comment based upon you know, just
Speaker 1: how do I feel. It is really from a relationship.
Speaker 1: So when people say she was out of pocket, and
Speaker 1: I'm just addressed to some of the people that were
Speaker 1: here saying she had PAGA. I don't know, she got
Speaker 1: a personal opinion based on the relationship. We're probably more
Speaker 1: out of pocket than they are because we don't know
Speaker 1: who those people are, never have met them, and never will.
Speaker 3: So I'll say this, I'll say this, I'm I don't
Speaker 3: know whose death I'm going to sell them the break,
Speaker 3: So when somebody's dead and dead, I don't I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna say there and say that. I want great things
Speaker 3: to happen for everybody, but death is death.
Speaker 4: And everybody's gonna die by the way, and so and
Speaker 4: so in terms of good riddings, I don't know from me,
Speaker 4: I think, as we've all been taught, if you don't
Speaker 4: have anything nice to.
Speaker 3: Say, you know, you don't say anything. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: But again, well, I think just being fair, I didn't
Speaker 3: lose the friend, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't lose the friends.
Speaker 1: And again, because there's gonna be so many conversations about this,
Speaker 1: so many people unpacking this, so many people, I think
Speaker 1: I think her point was that was let me put
Speaker 1: this out here too for y'all to deal with.
Speaker 2: I want you to recognize what.
Speaker 1: This meant to me, because not saying anything at all
Speaker 1: was you know, we talk about this all the time,
Speaker 1: messages continue to go on.
Speaker 2: And on and there's nothing. There's nothing there for checks
Speaker 2: and balances, So I think.
Speaker 3: And I didn't hear the whole quote. And I didn't
Speaker 3: hear the whole quote, so I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: It was just that. It wasn't anything else, but that
Speaker 2: just good riddings. Okay.
Speaker 3: So again for me, I care not what Caitlyn Jenner
Speaker 3: says about anything. For me, the the real story is
Speaker 3: that Ron Goldman is dere Nicole Bron Simpson is dead.
Speaker 3: Now O J. Simpson is dead. We can talk about
Speaker 3: as we have the what that meant during that time,
Speaker 3: what this case meant during that time, and adding context
Speaker 3: for those who may not have lived through it. Uh.
Speaker 3: But I returned to I cannot have this conversation again
Speaker 3: as a heterosexual male, father, husband, friend and not acknowledge
Speaker 3: that it ain't cool to beat on a woman. It
Speaker 3: ain't cool to grab on a woman. If y'all are
Speaker 3: in that place. And I say this to the brothers,
Speaker 3: if you are in the place with a sister right
Speaker 3: now where you feel like y'all can't just argue like
Speaker 3: normal people and you can't keep your hands to yourself,
Speaker 3: your help, because I recognize a lot of us grew
Speaker 3: up watching and being told that that was the way
Speaker 3: that you take care of a woman. You gotta, you gotta,
Speaker 3: you gotta treat it a certain way. And I've heard that.
Speaker 3: I've heard those same things, and I know it's not true.
Speaker 3: But sometimes you grow up with certain you're being taught
Speaker 3: something and you develop an accent and you begin to
Speaker 3: think that way, and it's the wrong way to think
Speaker 3: and it's the wrong way to act. So if you're
Speaker 3: in a relationship brother right now, where you feel like
Speaker 3: you got to put your hands on a woman, he
Speaker 3: don't and being go get some help or see leave,
Speaker 3: if that's what it is that y'all can't just argue,
Speaker 3: and I mean, hey spirited argument. The names get called,
Speaker 3: things get said, But once you crossed the line got
Speaker 3: to put your hands on somebody, I think I'll say this.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of times I don't know about
Speaker 3: in the excemption situation, but I think in a lot
Speaker 3: of these forty eight hours things, I think it was
Speaker 3: an argument that just went one step you better not,
Speaker 3: I will, you better not I will and boom, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't premeditated, but they you know, that's you can
Speaker 3: tell that by the fact they didn't clean it up, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The person I got caught because they didn't plan this thing.
Speaker 3: It was just like went there. I'm saying, if you're
Speaker 3: in that space, either as a man or a woman,
Speaker 3: leave please get help, please, because your children don't deserve
Speaker 3: to go to your funeral.
Speaker 5: Behind Well, some people say to relatedly, this was you know,
Speaker 5: but then that's a whole other conversation, and it goes
Speaker 5: to if you believed he did it or not, which
Speaker 5: is a whole other conversation that we can unpack another time.
Speaker 2: This was supposed to be thirty minutes. I appreciate your
Speaker 2: time to go by large.
Speaker 3: No, I love you.
Speaker 2: This was great.
Speaker 1: Guys put a three in the chat if you enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: and you're right.
Speaker 2: I don't care about what Caitlyn has to say too.
Speaker 1: I just want people to know because that was twenty
Speaker 1: nine years ago, thirty years ago, and so people are
Speaker 1: just literally they don't even know who Caitlyn Jenner was
Speaker 1: before in that relationship. So I wanted to put that
Speaker 1: out there before that was Bruce talking, you know, from
Speaker 1: that relationship at that time, and people just really have
Speaker 1: to do that research on this case because there are
Speaker 1: so many layers, and so I encourage you guys to
Speaker 1: look at the case, go back, look at the original YouTube,
Speaker 1: take the time and watch the case for yourself. Don't
Speaker 1: just watch the fiction documentary. They're all over the top
Speaker 1: a lot of the fiction movies then there definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: can be one sided.
Speaker 2: Take the time. If you were interested in.
Speaker 1: Community organizing and how to win in the court of
Speaker 1: public opinion, watch it.
Speaker 2: If you were interested in the law, if you were innocent.
Speaker 1: This is the case that made me want to do
Speaker 1: cable news commentary because that was when CNN actually guys,
Speaker 1: so that you know, really started doing twenty four hour news.
Speaker 2: At that time, there was no twenty four hour news.
Speaker 1: This case showed that the ratings can bring in twenty
Speaker 1: four hour news. I was addicted to build a network
Speaker 1: network and an industry, yes, a whole industry. I was
Speaker 1: fascinated with cored TV. I talked so much about this
Speaker 1: that even in the Ben Crompt Civil documentary they filmed
Speaker 1: me watching this case, but it never made it to
Speaker 1: the It got cut on the cutting floor. But this
Speaker 1: is one of the most fascinating things that I've ever
Speaker 1: that I still look to to this day. From skill,
Speaker 1: from debate, from and I'm talking just from a technical side,
Speaker 1: and then the cultural side of race.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, and I want I think as we close,
Speaker 3: I think people should also go look back at the
Speaker 3: music that was of the time. Go look at the
Speaker 3: lyrics of the music. Go look at the go look
Speaker 3: at what black people watching during that time. What movies
Speaker 3: would there work. Remember this is the post Cosme Show era,
Speaker 3: so this is post Cosby Show on post a different world.
Speaker 3: Those were coming off the air. This was a time
Speaker 3: when it was still a big joke. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is when Tubac said that a black man to be
Speaker 3: president Like that was one of the most revolutionary things
Speaker 3: that you could say because it was just so implausible.
Speaker 3: So this was during that time. This was all during
Speaker 3: that time. So look at the fact that there was
Speaker 3: the million Man March. Look at the fact that there
Speaker 3: were these other things going on in the zeitgeist. So
Speaker 3: you see the swirl. Think of Reginald Denny, who was
Speaker 3: who was the truck driver who got beaten up on
Speaker 3: Crenshaw by people who were celebrating then they celebrated the
Speaker 3: fact that this white man who he was just at work, right,
Speaker 3: he ain't Doude. There's no evidence that Reginald Denny did
Speaker 3: anything to anyone ever. And they hit this man with
Speaker 3: I've forgotten what it was, something heavy and hard. It
Speaker 3: was something like a break or something, but it was
Speaker 3: something that heavy and hard that could have killed the man.
Speaker 3: So the point is that these were all all the things.
Speaker 3: And if you look at this, I've heard it said
Speaker 3: that a riot is the language of the unheard. This
Speaker 3: was a cultural riot that was taking shape, and the
Speaker 3: closest thing that we would see would be the post
Speaker 3: George Floyd experience and if during that time one of
Speaker 3: the greatest athletes of that time were to find himself
Speaker 3: in this situation, it would be the closest thing to it.
Speaker 3: But that didn't happen, thank god for everyone.
Speaker 1: Maybe for a part too, because again we also had
Speaker 1: to look at what happened after that. That is when
Speaker 1: the the retaliation for the war on drugs and because
Speaker 1: again these same brothers who were doing the peace treating
Speaker 1: were then talks.
Speaker 3: Yes, girl Clint got caught up.
Speaker 1: In mass incarceration, and many would say that that might
Speaker 1: have been a backlash.
Speaker 2: I got a ho you've been talking about that's right.
Speaker 1: I got a whole poem about it, about it all
Speaker 1: started with Rodney King. They had to do something to
Speaker 1: get those brothers off the scene, locked them up, young
Speaker 1: brothers got stuck and now they man. I got a
Speaker 1: whole poem about like what actually happened.
Speaker 2: During that era.
Speaker 1: So maybe you come back and we can unpack that.
Speaker 1: Cause again, this guy's is so critical. You're gonna hear
Speaker 1: a lot of things out there about this commentary.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me to hear this piece with
Speaker 2: doctor Steve Perry.
Speaker 1: And I've held him over way longer than I've expected,
Speaker 1: but this was just such a good conversation I couldn't
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, doctor Perry.
Speaker 1: Make sure you follow up Perry on also social media platforms.
Speaker 1: Please support his school Capitatory Prep Capital Preparatory School.
Speaker 2: A choice school.
Speaker 1: You can see him and I have a great conversation
Speaker 1: also on Tears on ten when we talked about school
Speaker 1: choice versus public schools. That's a great debate between him
Speaker 1: and Gary Chambers. So just a great friend of mine.
Speaker 1: When we talk about guys when we're talking off the air,
Speaker 1: so you guys got a chance to peep in.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, doctor Perry. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3: Love, take care.
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