Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Pat Fitzmorris and
Speaker 1: Scott Bogman. We haven't actually had a show with the
Speaker 1: three of us in a while since well before the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, because we had some fun guests on, so
Speaker 1: I hope everybody enjoyed that. We are now post to
Speaker 1: the draft, so this is one of the most fun
Speaker 1: weeks of the entire year. If you are a dynasty manager.
Speaker 1: It's rookie draft season. We've been ranking these guys for
Speaker 1: a while. We've been doing mock drafts on these guys
Speaker 1: for a while. We're gonna do some more of that
Speaker 1: discussion later today, but we have actual landing spots. Finally,
Speaker 1: it is no longer just theoretical where these guys might go.
Speaker 1: And it's just a really fun, exciting, hyped up time.
Speaker 1: So I'm really glad to be talking to you guys.
Speaker 1: Quick note for everybody. All of our early twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four consensus rankings and tiers that could be found at
Speaker 1: Fantasypros dot com slash rankings. From there, you can navigate
Speaker 1: easily to our staff dynasty rankings on the site. As well,
Speaker 1: and of course you can search by rookies, you can
Speaker 1: look for super Flex whatever rankings you're trying to find
Speaker 1: for your specific league, we've got him on there. Also,
Speaker 1: you can do drafts on the Mock Draft simulator as
Speaker 1: well if you're trying to prep for your rookie leagues.
Speaker 1: Speaking of rookie drafts, I'm in one with Fits. I
Speaker 1: know you guys have been in a bunch that have
Speaker 1: started already this week. I'm curious to get your opinion
Speaker 1: of how it's gone.
Speaker 2: Fits.
Speaker 1: You know that I am beaming because of how it
Speaker 1: has gone for me in our work league with you, Me, Deebro,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of the other folks here at Fantasy Pros.
Speaker 1: You and I just let everybody know, through some clever trading,
Speaker 1: had seven of the first round picks in this year's draft.
Speaker 1: So the draft really ran through this this podcast. What
Speaker 1: do you think about how it's going so far?
Speaker 3: Fits, Yeah, it really did. I mean I got Deebro's
Speaker 3: first round pick in our startup draft for twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four and it turned out to be the number one
Speaker 3: overall pick in the draft. So Caleb Williams, the Carolina
Speaker 3: Panthers of this league. Here it sounds like yeah, no kidding,
Speaker 3: So I was. I was covered on all in all
Speaker 3: parts of the first round. I picked one on one,
Speaker 3: one oh six and one twelve and the take so
Speaker 3: far as Caleb Williams, Romo Dunes and Kean Coleman. And
Speaker 3: a quick word about Debro. I've got to get him
Speaker 3: into a twelve step program or get him some sort
Speaker 3: of mock draft method owner or something, because he is
Speaker 3: addicted to making rookie picks. And when I look at
Speaker 3: his teams, when he makes me offers, like I look
Speaker 3: at his future picks and he's got like half empty
Speaker 3: cupboards because he is like constantly mortgaging his future. I
Speaker 3: feel like a predatory lender looking at his future picks.
Speaker 3: But last night, like he's trying to get the three
Speaker 3: to oh two in this draft that I'm also in
Speaker 3: with Bogman, and I eventually wound up giving the three
Speaker 3: to oh two to Bogman because Deebro and I couldn't
Speaker 3: agree on anything, you know, I traded down six spots
Speaker 3: with Bogman. He gave me a third rounder next year.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a pretty fair deal. It worked
Speaker 3: out he only had one wide receiver on the board.
Speaker 3: He liked remaining Javon Baker. I moved down and got
Speaker 3: Kamani Videll, who I probably would have taken any way
Speaker 3: at three OHO two worked out well, but Debro wouldn't
Speaker 3: even let me move down in the round, like he
Speaker 3: just wanted the pick, and like I'm I'm you know,
Speaker 3: he's got only his first and like fourth rounder next year,
Speaker 3: so that wasn't in the cards. But like we're haggling
Speaker 3: and haggling, and I met my daughter's lacrosse game and
Speaker 3: I missed one of her goals and she uh wow,
Speaker 3: and she does not play an attack position normally, so
Speaker 3: this is like her second goal of the season. And
Speaker 3: you know, my wife was not kind enough to like
Speaker 3: alert me that our daughter was like rushing a headlong
Speaker 3: toward the goal.
Speaker 4: But like fits is, like, don't even worry about a babe.
Speaker 4: I got Marshaun Lloyd. Now it's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, like wasting my time haggling with Debro and miss
Speaker 3: my daughter's calls, I'm just gonna go ahead and blame
Speaker 3: Debro for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sure, that's it's Debro's fault. You had your
Speaker 4: nose in your phone. Yeah, the Uh, he is wearing out.
Speaker 4: I tell you what. That mailbox emoji that he's been
Speaker 4: putting in, he is wearing that thing out. It's got
Speaker 4: to be at the very tippy top of his offers.
Speaker 4: I made a couple offers to him. We couldn't agree either,
Speaker 4: but yeah, you're right, it is. It is Debro season.
Speaker 4: He is trade a lot right now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy, well you know what, and I
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of respect it and I get
Speaker 1: it because across my Dynasty leagues, I do like having
Speaker 1: at least one where I'm kind of in rebuilding lots
Speaker 1: of picks mode because it is just fun, especially like
Speaker 1: this time of year when you can really pay attention
Speaker 1: to the rookies, and like the whole last like two
Speaker 1: or three months, as we've done every episode, I've been thinking,
Speaker 1: oh cool, maybe this will impact who I take at
Speaker 1: the one oh four or the one oh seven, you
Speaker 1: know whatever.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: So it is really fun to have at least one
Speaker 1: league where you're kind of in that position. It seems
Speaker 1: like Debro's in that in a lot of leagues, and
Speaker 1: he's a very smart, you know, rookie evaluator, so I
Speaker 1: get why he would see that as an area where
Speaker 1: he can kind of like make his hay. But it's uh,
Speaker 1: it is fun to look and see what he's already
Speaker 1: given up and is still trying to give up more
Speaker 1: to uh to continue to move up and try and
Speaker 1: take advantage of that as best we can.
Speaker 2: I believe you know.
Speaker 1: I fits you got the uh the one on one
Speaker 1: this year, which was Caleble Lilliams. Last year, I got
Speaker 1: the one oh four from Debro after trading for it
Speaker 1: early turned out to be CJ. Stroud, so he could
Speaker 1: have had Caleb and Stroud instead he has, you know whoever, this.
Speaker 4: Guy's a killing deep breaths.
Speaker 1: We're talking at some rookie rankings today, so these guys
Speaker 1: will we'll come up here throughout the show and maybe
Speaker 1: we'll hit on, you know, as we hit some of
Speaker 1: these guys where we've actually been taking them in drafts
Speaker 1: to give you a sense of their value. We're going
Speaker 1: to go through positionally though, and then maybe some talk
Speaker 1: about overall where they might slide it slot in against
Speaker 1: each other. We're gonna start with the quarterbacks, and I
Speaker 1: want to start with the obvious top four. What we
Speaker 1: have in our consensus ranking is this is based on ECR,
Speaker 1: you know, on the website, which again you can find
Speaker 1: at fantasypros dot com. Slash rankings number one, Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: number two, Jayden Daniels, number three, JJ McCarthy number four,
Speaker 1: Drake May. Those first two probably chalky across most rookie
Speaker 1: drafts that you're in. Those next two, I think is
Speaker 1: where you're going to really see the debate between McCarthy
Speaker 1: and May talent versus, you know, in experience versus inexperience
Speaker 1: with great landing spot so fits. What was your initial
Speaker 1: take of just seeing that this is what the consensus
Speaker 1: is saying. Caleb Daniels, McCarthy May.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's that the landing spots
Speaker 3: sorted out the McCarthy May thing, and I think probably
Speaker 3: there were a lot of people like me who had
Speaker 3: May ahead of McCarthy pre draft, but the landing spot
Speaker 3: differential between those two guys is just so stark. With
Speaker 3: McCarthy going to the situation with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,
Speaker 3: eventually TJ. Hockinson, and Drake May goes to a place
Speaker 3: that has a terrible collection of pass catchers. They did
Speaker 3: try to address that in the draft a little bit
Speaker 3: this year, and I think PFF grated the Patriots thirty
Speaker 3: first in pass blocking last year, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: So it's just a bad offensive ecosystem right now, and
Speaker 3: I know it's not going to be that way forever more.
Speaker 3: But you know, in the first couple of years, clearly
Speaker 3: McCarthy is a much better landing spot. And even though
Speaker 3: I like May more as a prospect, and I think
Speaker 3: in terms of real life football, I like me as
Speaker 3: a prospect even more than Jade Daniels, but I had
Speaker 3: to drop him a fourth based on where we landed fits.
Speaker 1: I've made this comparison before. But again, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that I like Drake May as much as I liked CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud a year ago.
Speaker 1: I was very in on Strout a year ago, and
Speaker 1: I got him in a lot of rookie drafts because
Speaker 1: I said, I don't care that the landing spot looks bad,
Speaker 1: which Houston did a year ago, because I love the
Speaker 1: talent so much.
Speaker 2: To a lesser degree, That's how I feel with May.
Speaker 2: Again not saying.
Speaker 1: He's on the level of Straut as a prospect, but
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Are you nervous that
Speaker 1: maybe we're passing up on the better quarterback prospect just
Speaker 1: because of landing spot when that can change quickly.
Speaker 3: Yes, I am, especially when I hear that the Vikings
Speaker 3: offered pick number eleven, pick number twenty three, and their
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five first rounder to go up to number
Speaker 3: three and get May from the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like the end the Giants tried to
Speaker 1: move up to. It seemed like the NFL is telling
Speaker 1: us that May was the better prospect. But again, that
Speaker 1: landing spot is so sublime, Bogin, I want to get
Speaker 1: your opinion. You know, when you look at Caleb Daniels
Speaker 1: McCarthy May, do you see that as two separate tiers?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Caleb has been the clear number one
Speaker 1: guy for a while. Do you see it as one
Speaker 1: and two are kind of closer to each other than
Speaker 1: three and four? Or are they all kind of These
Speaker 1: are all guys that are going to go in the
Speaker 1: top eight picks of your super flex rookie drafts.
Speaker 4: I mean they all are, But I do if I'm
Speaker 4: tearing out, I would put May just third, you know,
Speaker 4: because here's the thing to me, is Caleb Williams Jayden
Speaker 4: and Daniels JJ McCarthy all have a chance to be
Speaker 4: the number one quarterback pretty quick. I do think Drake
Speaker 4: may could, but there would have to be a big
Speaker 4: swing in the offense obviously, like the Texans that you mentioned,
Speaker 4: and that is not a guarantee at all. So what
Speaker 4: we're getting from Caleb Williams is a guy that's as
Speaker 4: close to Patrick Mahomes as they come out of college.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Who knows if he is going to be that guy.
Speaker 4: It seems like he's either going to boom or bust
Speaker 4: pretty quick, but he is the safest of all these guys.
Speaker 4: Then we have a guy like Jane Daniels. The rushing
Speaker 4: upside he does, you know, have the crazy RG three comparison.
Speaker 4: Like we said, he runs like a crash test dummy
Speaker 4: out there, so he needs to fix that if he's
Speaker 4: gonna last. But with that rushing upside, he has a
Speaker 4: shot to be the number one. McCarthy is the same thing.
Speaker 4: Six hundred and thirty one pass attempts was fourth in
Speaker 4: the NFL last season, and that was with four different
Speaker 4: starting qbs out of this offense. So yes, they're probably
Speaker 4: going to run a little bit more with a rookie,
Speaker 4: but it is still a pass heavy offense. With his
Speaker 4: legs in his rushing upside and the talent around him,
Speaker 4: he has a shot to be a number one QB.
Speaker 4: I just don't think Drake May has that shot within
Speaker 4: the next two or three seasons. So for me, he
Speaker 4: is I have him in a tier by himself, but
Speaker 4: is below the other three.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you.
Speaker 1: More about Daniels Bogman, because we talked about this a
Speaker 1: bit on the main fantasy for his feed with myself
Speaker 1: fits at Ericson earlier this week about kind of the
Speaker 1: Daniels versus Marvin Harrison junior comparison in Super X drafts.
Speaker 1: To me, I'm I'm taking Harrison like almost without hesitation.
Speaker 1: Both Fitz and Ericson were on the Daniels side, or
Speaker 1: at least fitzit said he had drafted that way recently.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you sort of feel strongly about that, Pat,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, for me, like Jane Gels
Speaker 1: is really interesting. Like in I am single, so I'm
Speaker 1: on the dating apps a lot. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: talk on there about like green flags versus red flags,
Speaker 1: and I bring that up to say, Jane Daniels has
Speaker 1: a lot of my favorite green flags in fantasy rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback prospects. He's going to an offense with a couple
Speaker 1: of good pass catchers, including Terry McLure and who I.
Speaker 2: Think is really really good. He runs a ton.
Speaker 1: He's one of the only quarterbacks in fantasy is the
Speaker 1: upside to run for like a thousand yards that is
Speaker 1: so special and so important in fantasy. Those are green flags.
Speaker 1: He also has red flags. He doesn't protect himself. I
Speaker 1: hate running quarterbacks who do not protect himself. Like you said,
Speaker 1: crash test dummy. I'm so worried at his frame and
Speaker 1: with his running style and behind that offensive line which
Speaker 1: is not good, that it is not going to go well.
Speaker 1: So when you look Daniels, Bogman a you know him
Speaker 1: versus Harrison, where do you come down in a super
Speaker 1: flex draft, ignoring if you have a particular need at
Speaker 1: one position or the other, just who would you prefer
Speaker 1: in a vacuum and b lo, where do you come
Speaker 1: down on Daniels? Kind of in the overall dynasty quarterback rankings,
Speaker 1: because again I think there's a really strong case for
Speaker 1: and a really strong case against.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so just the initial thing Harrison, you know, Harrison
Speaker 4: versus Jade Daniels. It's Harrison for me, and I got
Speaker 4: to be honest, you know, I do have them close,
Speaker 4: but it's not particularly close to me. Like I think
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison is a guarantee, right, same thing I think,
Speaker 4: same thing with Malik Neighbors. Malik Neighbors to me is
Speaker 4: a guarantee. Marvin more so because he's attached to a
Speaker 4: good quarterback. Daniel Jones is questionable. Obviously, the Giants are
Speaker 4: trying to move up all that stuff, right, So I
Speaker 4: do those guys to me are just going to have
Speaker 4: NFL success. They no prospect as that can't miss, but
Speaker 4: they're as close to it as comes. Then I have
Speaker 4: the the other qbs. I have Caleb ahead of those
Speaker 4: guys in a super flex Harrison and and Neighbors, but
Speaker 4: I have I have those guys firmly ahead of the
Speaker 4: QBS in there. And I do think those qbs could
Speaker 4: be awesome, which is you know, you want to take
Speaker 4: shots on them. I do have them in the same tier,
Speaker 4: but there's just not many scenarios where I would take
Speaker 4: Jade Daniels ahead of one of those wide receivers. Would
Speaker 4: have to be like, I have three of my top
Speaker 4: twelve wide receivers already and okay, so now I'll take
Speaker 4: the quarterback just because that is a position that I
Speaker 4: have to have, so it'd be very team specific. So
Speaker 4: and then what was the other question it was about, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1: Overs in general, like as a dynasty asset, not even
Speaker 1: as compared to the rookies. Just again, there's there's such
Speaker 1: a case to be made that he could be like
Speaker 1: a top ten dynasty quarterback if that rushing is legit.
Speaker 1: Nine I'm just so scared about about health. And also
Speaker 1: the other thing I didn't mention as that as a
Speaker 1: red flag. I don't typically like lake career breakouts in college.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was in college for like five or
Speaker 1: six seasons and he finally had this big, you know,
Speaker 1: Heisman campaign. That's another red flag to me. So he's
Speaker 1: just really interesting because, like a lot of the other guys,
Speaker 1: I think the cases to be made for them are
Speaker 1: pretty clear, like you're going to be on one side
Speaker 1: or the other. With Daniels, I feel so strongly about
Speaker 1: some of the red flags and so strongly about some
Speaker 1: of the green flags that I really struggled to rank
Speaker 1: him well I think he's going to be good until
Speaker 1: he gets hurt right a lot like RG three, and
Speaker 1: that is fair. What he really needs to do is
Speaker 1: immediately start sliding, running out of bounds, not taking those
Speaker 1: huge shots. He needs to figure that part of his
Speaker 1: game out real fast if he's going to last. Because,
Speaker 1: like you said, the situation is amazing. You're in Washington
Speaker 1: with Cliff Kingsbury. It's a spread offense that allows you
Speaker 1: room to run. But you know, we saw Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: play amazing in this system in terms of fantasy, so
Speaker 1: that's what exactly what we want. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of us were burned by RG three and
Speaker 1: we see a lot of similarities. So it's a tough sell.
Speaker 4: But if you need a quarter back, Jay Naiels is
Speaker 4: a absolutely great option in this draft.
Speaker 2: Fit's last question.
Speaker 1: Before we move on from this group of quarterbacks where
Speaker 1: not amongst rookies, but just in Dynasty, are you ranking
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy and Drake May among quarterbacks?
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I've got I think I've got both
Speaker 3: of them in the mid teens. I want to say, ok,
Speaker 3: you know, just yeah, and I think they're like next
Speaker 3: to each other. It's it's that close for me, and
Speaker 3: I always like, I don't take it lightly when I
Speaker 3: move someone past my You know, in my pre draft rankings,
Speaker 3: when I do a shuffle based on landing spot, it
Speaker 3: has to be a pretty stark difference in landing spot
Speaker 3: to get me to do that. And I think that's
Speaker 3: the case here. And and by the way, where I
Speaker 3: do hope you have more green flags on your dating
Speaker 3: profile than on than red flags. I hope your mind
Speaker 3: you think so. You're more micaleb Williams to potential to
Speaker 3: potential mates than a bow Knicks.
Speaker 1: The biggest green flag is having rescued a dog last summer.
Speaker 1: That that one carries a lot of weight, which is unsurprising.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the rest of the quarterbacks here.
Speaker 1: We're not going through every single quarterback, but I just
Speaker 1: think the other three names worth mentioning Bo Nicks, Michael Pennox,
Speaker 1: Junior Spencer Rattler.
Speaker 2: That's five, six and seven.
Speaker 1: Obviously Nix and Penix are like kind of a tier
Speaker 1: of their own given the draft capital. I do still
Speaker 1: like Rattler, and I like the like he went to it.
Speaker 1: He went in the fifth round, so that's not good.
Speaker 1: But he went to a spot where they don't have
Speaker 1: a good long term quarterback. So I think there's a
Speaker 1: case we made for him too. Obviously, those first two
Speaker 1: guys are going to go much higher in rookie drafts. Again,
Speaker 1: just give them the draft capital. But bog mean, when
Speaker 1: you look at those three, is there any degree of
Speaker 1: excitement for them? Like, are you making the case in
Speaker 1: a super flex draft of hey, like maybe these guys
Speaker 1: should be early second round picks just because it's quarterback
Speaker 1: and there's a path here, or with Pennix being blocked
Speaker 1: by Cousins and bo Nicks being bo Nicks and having
Speaker 1: playing on a pretty bad team, it seems like and
Speaker 1: obviously Ratler falling, you just kind of avoiding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say in a super flex
Speaker 4: you can ever really avoid quarterback, right, because they hold
Speaker 4: so much value. Easy math, Right, if you're in a
Speaker 4: twelve team league, everybody starts to this twenty four starters,
Speaker 4: there's barely enough room for every there's not enough room
Speaker 4: for everybody to have a backup. And you know, like
Speaker 4: we've said before, there's really twenty eight or twenty nine
Speaker 4: true and trench starters in the NFL. There's always four
Speaker 4: to five teams that are playing musical chairs at quarterback
Speaker 4: in sixty seven quarterbacks started a game last year, right,
Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised that the Falcons spent a top
Speaker 4: ten pick to go get a quarterback because you know,
Speaker 4: we saw what it was like after the life after
Speaker 4: Matt Ryan in Atlanta has been pretty tough. You had
Speaker 4: a year Ritter and Heinike and just all these bad options.
Speaker 4: So yeah, sure, get out of QB purgatory. But for
Speaker 4: fantasy it sucks. Pennix is a good quarterback and he's
Speaker 4: going to be stuck behind another good quarterback for a
Speaker 4: couple of years, so his value does have to be lower.
Speaker 4: But we saw you know, Jordan Love, so the value
Speaker 4: is still there. I'm still investing in these guys because
Speaker 4: their starter level qbs in the NFL, but they do
Speaker 4: come with a lot of it's not just their red
Speaker 4: flags in their game, their team context has a lot
Speaker 4: of red flags. Where we're seeing green flags from the
Speaker 4: top three at least maybe not Drake May, but the
Speaker 4: other three are definitely in good spots as well. So
Speaker 4: it's like these are the lower guys in the landed
Speaker 4: and worse spots. So the difference is pretty big between them,
Speaker 4: I feel fits.
Speaker 1: Does the enthusiasm with which Sean Payton is talking about
Speaker 1: bo Nicks that all kind of make you optimistic about him?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, maybe not obviously.
Speaker 1: It seems to me like there was a degree of
Speaker 1: spin zone going on with some of those Adam Schefter
Speaker 1: tweets after the draft, and how Sean Payton believed as
Speaker 1: strongly in bo Nicks as he believed in Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: But he is kind of planting his flag that this is,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if it's a red flag
Speaker 1: or green flag, but he's planting his flag that Nick
Speaker 1: is kind of his guy and he's really excited to
Speaker 1: have him. Does that make you think that at all, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: is this guy maybe I'm not opposed to having as
Speaker 1: one of my guys in Super Flex? Or are you
Speaker 1: still kind of scared off just by the prospect profile.
Speaker 3: I did take him two oh three in that super
Speaker 3: Flex rookie draft. I'm in with Bogman right now after
Speaker 3: taking Marvin Harrison one to oh three, so kind of
Speaker 3: needed a third quarterback and you know, so yes, he's
Speaker 3: gonna play right away. Boonix does not have a big
Speaker 3: arm and maybe he can be sort of the dollar
Speaker 3: store Drew Brees for Sean Payton. And obviously things worked
Speaker 3: swimmingly with Drew Brees for Sean Payton in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Certainly not going to compare bo Nicks to Drew Brees
Speaker 3: full stop, but you know, like maybe he could be
Speaker 3: a reasonable fact simile. It helps that like they added
Speaker 3: Troy Franklin, so bringing a familiar pass catcher to bow Nicks. Like,
Speaker 3: if there's one head coach who can maybe make it
Speaker 3: work with bo Nicks, it's it's probably Sean Payton. I
Speaker 3: did like Michael Penni's more pre draft, but as Bogman said,
Speaker 3: you know, like the differences here with the guy who
Speaker 3: probably isn't going to play for a couple of years.
Speaker 3: And look, no one thinks less of Kirk Cousins than
Speaker 3: I do. Like I am a big Kirk Cousins hater.
Speaker 3: I mean I saw something him being talked about as
Speaker 3: a potential Hall of Famer on Twitter the other day
Speaker 3: and almost fell out of my chair. So I think
Speaker 3: it's going to be, you know, probably sooner than the
Speaker 3: timetable most people have in mind for when Pennix finally
Speaker 3: gets to the shot, but still it's it's probably not
Speaker 3: going to be in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: He is a Hall of Fame bag getter.
Speaker 1: I will I will give Kirk Cousins he is that
Speaker 1: the standard of contracts very quickly, Bogman. Spencer Rattler, where
Speaker 1: would you take him in a super flex draft?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have I have Spencer Rattler right now.
Speaker 4: Let me just look at my rankings for super Flex.
Speaker 2: I have him.
Speaker 4: Geez, I did put him down a little low here.
Speaker 4: I mean I've met like in the thirties, so round three,
Speaker 4: you know that that's where I would have him. He's
Speaker 4: like you said, the landing spot is great because Carr
Speaker 4: is long in the tooth. This team has had cap issues,
Speaker 4: so it might be okay once car is gone. This
Speaker 4: is our cheap quarterback for a couple of years while
Speaker 4: we revamped this. I mean the can't the cap is
Speaker 4: fake until it's not right, and that's kind of what
Speaker 4: the Saints are seeing right now. And I think he's
Speaker 4: got a good opportunity. I'll throw Michael Pratten there in
Speaker 4: that same like area with Rattler. I know he was
Speaker 4: a later pick, but there is just no one behind
Speaker 4: Jordan Love right now. And Jordan Love, you know, is
Speaker 4: looking for a new deal. Obviously he's burned up his
Speaker 4: They picked up his option and everything, but he's burned
Speaker 4: up his initial contract and he's about to get paid.
Speaker 4: So I think there's an easy backup spot to win
Speaker 4: for Pratt. And you know, we don't have a long
Speaker 4: term signed quarterback in Green Bay. We assume it's going
Speaker 4: to be Love, but if there's an issue, he's the
Speaker 4: Stones throw away. He's going to beat out Sean Clifford,
Speaker 4: I think immediately for that job. So I'll put him
Speaker 4: right next to Rattler in that group.
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Speaker 1: and we'll do these sort of in chunks because I
Speaker 1: have twelve names written down. I do just want to
Speaker 1: start quickly with the top two because that's kind of
Speaker 1: where the consensus is. As Jonathan Brooks and Trey Benson.
Speaker 1: They were the first two guys off the board. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Brook's going in the middle of the second round,
Speaker 1: Trey Benson at the very top of the third round.
Speaker 1: So the best draft capital that we saw of any
Speaker 1: of these guys the landing spots. I think there's strong
Speaker 1: cases to be made that they're pretty good long term.
Speaker 2: At least.
Speaker 1: You know, Trey Benson is behind James Connor for this year,
Speaker 1: but that's an ascending offense that looks really fun. There's
Speaker 1: not an obvious guy besides Connor, who was on the
Speaker 1: last year of his deal and is also long in
Speaker 1: the tooth. I really liked the idea of Trey Benson
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five and beyond, and the Jonathan.
Speaker 2: Brooks, of course, was the first guy off the board.
Speaker 1: He was most people's RB one, the only guy that
Speaker 1: real like significant draft capitals was spent on and he
Speaker 1: goes to a landing spot that deebro has talked a
Speaker 1: lot about on their show being a pretty good landing spot,
Speaker 1: and you know Miles Sanders was not good last year.
Speaker 1: There's an opening here. Dave Canalis likes to use his
Speaker 1: running backs when he has a good one. He might
Speaker 1: be able to help fix Bryce Young, which makes the
Speaker 1: offense better. So Brooks has become the consensus RB one
Speaker 1: and Benson is a consensus RB two.
Speaker 2: Does that sound right to you?
Speaker 4: Bogman? Absolutely, Yeah, that's how I have it one and two.
Speaker 4: Brooks and Benson for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I know.
Speaker 4: One of my first texts that I got from one
Speaker 4: of my buddies watching the draft that's not you know,
Speaker 4: involved in the industry, was like, I don't like this
Speaker 4: landing spot for Brooks. And I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: he's got opportunity and you know they're surrounding Bryce Young
Speaker 4: with weapons. Now, I kind of do like the spot
Speaker 4: for Brooks. I don't think that Chewba Hubbard and Miles
Speaker 4: Sanders is gonna be tough to beat out once he
Speaker 4: comes back and he's fully healthy. So I love the
Speaker 4: landing spot and exactly what you said for Benson. You know,
Speaker 4: Connor is long in the two and this is you know,
Speaker 4: a new regime in Arizona that are taking their guys,
Speaker 4: and Benson is one of their guys. Connor was great
Speaker 4: last year. I expect him to get most of the
Speaker 4: run this year. But you know, any slippage at all,
Speaker 4: we know that they have a good backup, so Benson
Speaker 4: will be well, he'll be, you know, busting up linebackers
Speaker 4: sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: I think, fits you've also got Brooks one and Benson two.
Speaker 1: How wide is that gap for you? Because I see
Speaker 1: the gap between those two is closer than I see
Speaker 1: Benson and the next guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably I would agree with that. To me, it's
Speaker 3: about maybe three spots in a rookie draft that that
Speaker 3: should be separating those guys. You know, maybe Brooks has
Speaker 3: will have an early, earlier opportunity to be a heavy
Speaker 3: duty back, and maybe it's good that the Cardinals probably
Speaker 3: are gonna not have to ask Benson to be that
Speaker 3: right away since he was not a heavy duty back
Speaker 3: at Florida State. So yeah, I mean, I I think
Speaker 3: it's right with those guys a one to two, and
Speaker 3: to me, it's fairly clear that Brooks should be number
Speaker 3: one before moving.
Speaker 2: Off these top two guys.
Speaker 1: Let's say Brooks as the clear number one again to
Speaker 1: sort of put it in the frame of a super flex,
Speaker 1: you know, rookie draft. Obviously there's kind of a clear
Speaker 1: top seven or eight, depending on how you feel about
Speaker 1: with the Bowers's landing spot. Is Brooks the next guy
Speaker 1: that's coming off the board for you because there's just
Speaker 1: not many good running back options, or is he still
Speaker 1: way behind Bogman, the Xavior, Worthies, Brian Thomas's lad, mcconkey's
Speaker 1: behind all.
Speaker 4: Behind all He has to be right to me, I
Speaker 4: think that these guys, these wide receivers are all so good.
Speaker 4: This is what we were talking about coming in. We're
Speaker 4: talking about how the running back class was weak. It's
Speaker 4: not necessarily that Brooks is weak. It's that these wide
Speaker 4: receivers are very good options. A lot of them would
Speaker 4: have gone like in that neighborhood of Jordan Madison and
Speaker 4: JSN in the first last season if they were in
Speaker 4: that class. So Brooks coming off an injury in an
Speaker 4: offense that is putting it together as your number one
Speaker 4: running back, he has to go behind all those wide
Speaker 4: receivers to me, so I do have him around eleven
Speaker 4: or twelve.
Speaker 1: The next group of guys here in the consensus rankings
Speaker 1: RB three Blake Korum, RB four Marshaun Lloyd, RB five
Speaker 1: Jalen Wright, and RB six Ray Davis. So, Fitz, what's
Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway from those rankings again Korum, Lloyd right,
Speaker 1: Davis three to six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do not have Jalen Wright in my
Speaker 3: top six. And it's funny like I've been watching people
Speaker 3: ding Devon Chen in their Dynasty rankings, and people push
Speaker 3: up Jalen Wright because they're excited about his speed in
Speaker 3: a Mike McDaniel offense. I mean, like speed fuels the
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel offense. And I understand Mike McDaniel needing to
Speaker 3: have those tanks filled at all times, and certainly like
Speaker 3: they can't be automatically assuming that Raheem Mostert is going
Speaker 3: to make it through another season unscathed without injury as
Speaker 3: he did last year. So like I think it's more
Speaker 3: of like Raheem Moster insurance. But to me, it's just
Speaker 3: like laughable to think that Jalen Wright is going to
Speaker 3: be like challenging Devon a Chan's primacy in this backfield,
Speaker 3: Like he's just not as good a player straight out,
Speaker 3: And I mean, he's coming from this gimmicky Josh Hypel's
Speaker 3: system that I think makes it really hard, and like
Speaker 3: it's a brilliant system. I mean, I think Hypel's the
Speaker 3: best play caller in college football, but it's gimmicky. I mean,
Speaker 3: he spreads the field and these running backs who come
Speaker 3: out of Tennessee have like massive lanes, like they have
Speaker 3: all sorts of running room, and a speedback is going
Speaker 3: to play well in that sort of system. So, like,
Speaker 3: I just have a lot of questions. You know, how
Speaker 3: I felt about a Chan as a prospect. I don't
Speaker 3: have anything close to that same feeling about Jalen Right,
Speaker 3: Like I have no idea if he's any good or not.
Speaker 3: But yeah, to me, it's just like I think he's
Speaker 3: going to be Devana a chance Caddy basically.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, Bogman, I knew this was coming because
Speaker 1: we talked a beutter it with Ericson on the main
Speaker 1: feet on Tuesday's episode. Fits is lower than consensus on right,
Speaker 1: you are higher than consensus on right.
Speaker 2: You've got him RB three.
Speaker 4: He's in my tier with Brooks and Benson. I love
Speaker 4: Jalen Wright landing in Miami. My initial thought during the
Speaker 4: draft was, Oh God, why I wanted him to go
Speaker 4: to Dallas, Right. I wanted to go to the Chargers. Right.
Speaker 4: I wanted him to land in a spot where he
Speaker 4: could see a ton of production immediately. I think that
Speaker 4: would have been great for him. So seeing him land
Speaker 4: in Miami stinks. I did not like that initially, but
Speaker 4: and we fits and I talked about this. So I'm
Speaker 4: you know, if you're not sold on Right, I understand that.
Speaker 4: But I these guys are going to coexist in this offense.
Speaker 4: They're building the track team. Most of his thirty two
Speaker 4: has and has an extensive injury history, but his value
Speaker 4: came from touchdowns last year. Well, if it's between h
Speaker 4: Chan and and Right, they're giving the ball to Right,
Speaker 4: you're not putting your Ferrari into you know, tow your boat,
Speaker 4: as Mike Tomlin would say. So it ain't gonna be
Speaker 4: Chan getting those goal line carries unless it's some you know,
Speaker 4: jet sweep or something short. He'll get some. But I
Speaker 4: think Right is the guy in that scenario. But I
Speaker 4: love this landing spot for him because most turt is old,
Speaker 4: and because it's attract meet and yes, Josh Heidpol's offense
Speaker 4: is gimmicky. I was fooled by Jalen Hyatt last season,
Speaker 4: but so was Miami's, especially when you have Hill and
Speaker 4: you have a Wattle there working in tandem. And the
Speaker 4: the one thing I worry about with Miami is the
Speaker 4: construction of this offensive line, right. They lost a lot
Speaker 4: of pieces on the inside, so I do worry about
Speaker 4: that for their run game, but I think this spot
Speaker 4: is great. I don't think most of is gonna last long,
Speaker 4: and NFL running backs don't, and this doesn't take away
Speaker 4: anything from a Chan. To me, I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 4: that we're seeing that argument that we need to ding
Speaker 4: a Chan. We talked about it before.
Speaker 1: Eight.
Speaker 4: Chan is a ten to fifteen touch guy. He doesn't
Speaker 4: need more than that. He's going to break one. That
Speaker 4: is the beauty of a guy like this, So I
Speaker 4: think not all three of them can't coexist. But once
Speaker 4: Wright gets going to replace Moster, which I see as
Speaker 4: the most likely scenario, I don't see him as an
Speaker 4: a Chan caddy. I see him as a guy playing
Speaker 4: with a Chan and just giving that team more speed. Eventually.
Speaker 4: You know, this season a little knock, but I think
Speaker 4: next year wheels up right in a chan all Day.
Speaker 3: The thing this year bogs like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: Wright even plays ahead of Jeff Wilson this year.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, Jeff Wilson gets cut. I think Salvin
Speaker 4: Akma does too. I think Jalen Wright. They didn't have
Speaker 4: many picks the Dolphins, right, So I think making a
Speaker 4: selection at running back, which is a you know, a
Speaker 4: position that is not drafted high. So I think with
Speaker 4: a few picks, when you make that selection, you don't
Speaker 4: do it worrying about Jeff Wilson, right. I think Jeff
Speaker 4: Wilson is expendable. I think Document is expendable. Maybe one
Speaker 4: of them makes it. But right is Right is McDaniel's guy,
Speaker 4: So that's how I see it.
Speaker 1: Fit's I don't want to ask about la Korm because
Speaker 1: I think the case for him is RB three is
Speaker 1: fairly obvious. I do want to ask about Marshaun Lloyd,
Speaker 1: who's RB four in consensus just very quickly, because he
Speaker 1: was my RB two going into the draft.
Speaker 2: I really like Lloyd, and.
Speaker 1: Then he went to the same spot that just gave
Speaker 1: a big contract to Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 2: So what do you make of Lloyd in his landing spot?
Speaker 1: You know, still being ranked as one of the top
Speaker 1: five running backs according to consensus among rookie rookies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not ideal for fantasy, but I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people like him. I mean, he was de Bros
Speaker 3: RB one in this draft class, and he was Daniel
Speaker 3: Jeremiah's RB one in this class. You know, Jeremiah said
Speaker 3: he was his favorite back. So it's interesting because the
Speaker 3: Packers could get away from Josh Jacobs's contract after one year,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people don't think all
Speaker 3: that much of AJ Dillon, So me included Marshaon Lloyd
Speaker 3: could easily pass up AJ Dillon this year and you know,
Speaker 3: maybe as send to number one next year. I mean,
Speaker 3: like I know, Debro has laid out a bunch of stats,
Speaker 3: efficiency stats showing that Josh Jacobs really wasn't that good
Speaker 3: last year, but he also had An O'Connell as his
Speaker 3: quarterback for the entire year. I mean, there was not
Speaker 3: a lot of incentive for teams to not stack the
Speaker 3: box against Josh Jacobs last year, and that offensive line
Speaker 3: wasn't great, so not surprising the efficiency numbers weren't good.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the Packers are going to walk away
Speaker 3: from Josh Jacobs after one year, like if he has
Speaker 3: a fifteen hundred yard you know, fifteen hundred yards have
Speaker 3: combined rushing and receiving, he'll be back next year. But
Speaker 3: potentially Marshaun Lloyd could have a big role as early
Speaker 3: as twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: The next group of guys here as we get into
Speaker 1: you know, later parts of the running back rankings, we
Speaker 1: got Bucky Irving, Money Videll, will Shipley Rodrick estimate. It
Speaker 1: broke my heart to see him fall in the draft
Speaker 1: because I really really like estday when I was watching
Speaker 1: him at Notre Dame. I want to ask about both
Speaker 1: Irving and Videll because Box is roughly in line with
Speaker 1: consensus on both guys. Fits is much lower on Irving
Speaker 1: and he's much higher on Videll. So Bogman, of those
Speaker 1: two fits being quote unquote too low on Irving and
Speaker 1: too high on Videll, which one do you disagree with more?
Speaker 4: I think probably being low on Bucky, But I don't
Speaker 4: necessarily disagree with it either. I understand what Bucky showed
Speaker 4: us that the combine was bad, right, it was real bad.
Speaker 4: And I know he another guy that fits into the
Speaker 4: gimmicky you know, category here in Oregon's offense. But I
Speaker 4: do like the role that I think that he's going
Speaker 4: to be cut out for. I think it's going to
Speaker 4: be mainly a third down receiving back role and a
Speaker 4: change of pace back, you know, give Rashad White a breather.
Speaker 4: I think that's his purpose in this offense. I don't
Speaker 4: see a lot more for him, so I do have
Speaker 4: him at consensus, But I do think that that is
Speaker 4: a steady role like a Jeric McKinnon, right, That is
Speaker 4: the kind of you know, maybe a little bit more
Speaker 4: than that, but that is the type of upside that
Speaker 4: I think Bucky Irving has From the jump, I think
Speaker 4: he immediately moves past everybody else on that depth chart
Speaker 4: behind Rashad White, which is not saying it's on because
Speaker 4: White had so many carries, but I think the goal
Speaker 4: of that pick was for Tampa Bay to take a
Speaker 4: little bit off of White's plate to make him last longer.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think Bucky because I like Fidell, and
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not as crazy high as Fitz is,
Speaker 4: but I like Fiadell a lot and I love this
Speaker 4: landing spot for him too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to Fitz, I want to hear why
Speaker 1: you have Idell as a top five running back in
Speaker 1: this in this group.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: First of all, I should mention I think you forgot
Speaker 3: to uh list Ray Davis's name, uh.
Speaker 1: Him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Right after Jalen Wright in our rank h RB six
Speaker 3: in ec R. So I'm sorry we tucking Videll or
Speaker 3: Irving first Videll.
Speaker 2: You have him as an RB five in this class.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's not the strongest class, but a top five
Speaker 1: guy at the position among the rookies, I think is
Speaker 1: higher than most people might expect for a sixth round
Speaker 1: draft pick. But I think I see the case and
Speaker 1: I want to hear you make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really liked what I saw of him. I mean
Speaker 3: I liked him a lot pre draft. He was either
Speaker 3: RB six RB seven for me pre draft, and then
Speaker 3: he wins the landing spot lottery going to the Chargers,
Speaker 3: which I think was the single best spot.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: The only negative on how Kamani Vadell was drafted was
Speaker 3: that he went in the sixth round. And we know
Speaker 3: the sixth round hit right on running backs is pretty dismal,
Speaker 3: but going to this run heavy offense, and I loved
Speaker 3: Videll what he showed at Troy, just the bounciness, the
Speaker 3: way he like powers through contact because he's this little
Speaker 3: squatty guy's five to seven and a half, like two thirteen,
Speaker 3: just built like a fire hydrant.
Speaker 4: And then he for me tackles force fits you. I
Speaker 4: didn't mean to cut you off there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I love hearing that four. And
Speaker 3: then he's sixty three and then, like I was worried
Speaker 3: that Videll was gonna run like a four to six
Speaker 3: at the combine, he runs like a four to four
Speaker 3: to six, and I like tested thor Or texted Thorn
Speaker 3: Debro right away. I was like, No, forty excited me
Speaker 3: more at the combine than Camanie Videl's. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: I love the player. I love the landing spot. The
Speaker 3: only drawback is the sixth round. But you know, to me,
Speaker 3: this is a guy who could potentially be there featured back,
Speaker 3: considering he's behind the very one dimensional Gus Edwards in
Speaker 3: the very often injured JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins.
Speaker 1: Let's let's take it easy talking about former Ravens running backs.
Speaker 1: Here the last couple of guys, Braylon Allen obviously tough
Speaker 1: landing spot there. Isaac Garende, Tyrone Tracy, who I want
Speaker 1: to ask you guys about as the last running back
Speaker 1: to talk, but consensus is RB thirteen. You guys both
Speaker 1: have him in your top ten, So I fits I'll
Speaker 1: start with you here. What's the case for Tracy?
Speaker 3: Crazy athleticism, very new to the running back position, but
Speaker 3: as a former wide receiver, I think he's immediately equipped
Speaker 3: to become the Giants passing down back. And there's not
Speaker 3: a lot else for the Giants at running back Devin Singletary,
Speaker 3: and that's pretty much it. Like I think he kicks
Speaker 3: Matt Breda to the curb in short order, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of upside here. Tyrone. Tracy was Thorne Eystrom's
Speaker 3: RB five pre draft, so there is a lot to like.
Speaker 3: He is in exciting athletes, and you know, I think
Speaker 3: maybe he does not give us a big role in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, but I think for twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: and beyond its wheels up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Giants wormed. They didn't even pick up Brita.
Speaker 4: So it's behind Devin Singletary, it's Eric Gray, Gary Bright,
Speaker 4: Deon Jackson. Yes, so the opportunity is big. And I'll
Speaker 4: just expand on what Fitz said in the fact that
Speaker 4: there's no more running backs behind him, there's not more
Speaker 4: weapons behind him. It seems like Waller's going to retire.
Speaker 4: We just haven't got the paperwork right, So that seems
Speaker 4: like maybe that's in the mix there. But the wide
Speaker 4: receivers are bad. This guy can play in the slot.
Speaker 4: He can do whatever they want to. So I think
Speaker 4: the Giants are going to view Tyrone Tracy not just
Speaker 4: as a running back, but as a weapon in this offense,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna move him all around the place. So
Speaker 4: with a team that is just desperate for playmakers, Tyrone
Speaker 4: Tracy offers all kinds of different options for this Giants offense.
Speaker 4: So I think he's going to have a pretty significant
Speaker 4: role quickly here because the Giants have to have playmakers.
Speaker 3: And by the way, about Braylen Allen, can we get
Speaker 3: some sort of restraining order against the Jets from like
Speaker 3: destroying the value of these rookie runs.
Speaker 4: I mean, brailn Isaiah Davis is one of my favorite
Speaker 4: two bits. It's not just behind Allan now that sucks.
Speaker 3: And then people liked is he a Banacanada is like
Speaker 3: a developmental guy from last year and now like this
Speaker 3: is just all these guys are going to sit behind
Speaker 3: Breeze Hawn. It's going to be terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The three landing spots that crushed me the most
Speaker 1: was Lloyd, not that he loses a crazy amount of value,
Speaker 1: but I was disappointed because I thought he could be
Speaker 1: really good if he had a clear path to starting role.
Speaker 1: And then I, like I said, I loved Estimate and
Speaker 1: I liked Alan I think better than most and just
Speaker 1: those guys falling and then where they landed is very
Speaker 1: dislike wating.
Speaker 3: So, by the way, can I can I make a
Speaker 3: quick plea with our audience to not draft Isaac Grendo
Speaker 3: in like the late third round of their rookie draft,
Speaker 3: like he is going to be a kick returner. This
Speaker 3: guy could not get on the field at the University
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin, just like not at all behind brayln Allen.
Speaker 3: And I know he just tested like a champ at
Speaker 3: the combine. I know he was like decent and sort
Speaker 3: of a limited role.
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on though, because we know that San
Speaker 4: Francisco is a meritocracy, right if you're if you're practicing well,
Speaker 4: well they're gonna play you. That's a rock party ended
Speaker 4: up here.
Speaker 3: I mean, Elijah Mitchell is just a better, more nuanced
Speaker 3: like isaid. Grindo's a screw with that. Gondo's a straight
Speaker 3: line guy.
Speaker 1: I mean we see Shanahan spend on a running back
Speaker 1: and then just kick him to the curb before.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean both worlds exist for Shannon. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, it's not I need these guys.
Speaker 3: There's I will bet any amount of money that when
Speaker 3: they come out of training camp, Elijah Mitchell's the number two,
Speaker 3: and I think people are expecting Girndo to beat out
Speaker 3: Elijah Mitchell and it's not going to happen.
Speaker 4: I agree with that for sure.
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Speaker 1: let's jump into the wide receivers, one of the most
Speaker 1: fun positions to talk about in this year's class, obviously
Speaker 1: the very top. We'll just do kind of the big
Speaker 1: three here right off the bat. Marvin Harrison Junior is one,
Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors is two, Roma Dunze is three. Fits Is
Speaker 1: there any case to be made for shaking those up?
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, we had to start of
Speaker 1: our rookie draft this morning and I was in the
Speaker 1: clock at one O four and I found myself thinking,
Speaker 1: it's got to be neighbors, right.
Speaker 2: I do love of a Dunsay paired with Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: long term. I know this year he's you know, wide
Speaker 2: receiver three on the depth chart.
Speaker 1: We expect, but but boy, is that a fun pairing
Speaker 1: long term?
Speaker 2: Is there any case to be made for mixing that up?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, I know those guys
Speaker 3: were really close, but I prefer neighbors landing spot where
Speaker 3: he is the clear wide receiver one from the get go,
Speaker 3: whereas O Dounsay is pretty much the clear wide receiver
Speaker 3: three right now. And we know Keenan Allen is probably
Speaker 3: only there for one year, but DJ Moore is still there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think you have to go neighbors, Bogman.
Speaker 1: Is there any case to be made for changing up
Speaker 1: the order Harrison neighbors a Douneesay, No.
Speaker 2: That I have, easy I have.
Speaker 4: It's a tear break, so very not in talent obviously,
Speaker 4: but in context, team context, it absolutely is a tear
Speaker 4: break to me.
Speaker 1: So no, And any case to be made for these
Speaker 1: guys falling outside the top seven and super flex drafts?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, nuts, I just asked.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, I agree he's asked that to say
Speaker 1: we can probably move on from them.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, to me, it's everything that fits
Speaker 4: that I didn't want to add too much to it,
Speaker 4: but it is the fact that those two guys, Harrison
Speaker 4: and Neighbors are immediately the number one today, right now,
Speaker 4: the season started, they're the number one and a Donsay.
Speaker 4: You know, sure, Alan may be only there for you know,
Speaker 4: one season, and in that season maybe only ten games, right,
Speaker 4: but he is older, But yeah, DJ Moore is still there.
Speaker 4: Kid Williams is a bit of a question. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: other little nitpicky things. Oh Doonsay's talent is amazing. He
Speaker 4: could absolutely be the number one in this class, but
Speaker 4: in terms of the way we're looking at it right now,
Speaker 4: I think he has to be below those guys.
Speaker 1: Also the easy one, two, three and one quarterback rookie drafts.
Speaker 1: This this is your one, two three, don't overthink if
Speaker 1: you have a top three pick. It does get really
Speaker 1: interesting after this. And we talked all draft season about
Speaker 1: how that one oh nine through about the two of
Speaker 1: three is going to be really dependent on landing spot.
Speaker 1: We got the landing spots, and I still feel like
Speaker 1: you could make a case.
Speaker 2: For a number of different orders for these guys.
Speaker 1: So it'll be really interesting to see what happens as
Speaker 1: rookies and also long term with who ends up having
Speaker 1: picked the right guys of these the group.
Speaker 2: And I'll sort of said it as why is here?
Speaker 2: Four is Xavier Worthy? Why was here?
Speaker 1: Five is Lad mconkee wide? Receiver six is Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 1: This is expert consensus rankings. By the way, why receiver
Speaker 1: seven is key On Coleman? Is that a fair place
Speaker 1: to cut it off? Or would you throw that conversation
Speaker 1: Ricky piersoll Adye Mitchell, Xavier Leaguette was a got first
Speaker 1: round draft capital You think it's just those kind of four?
Speaker 2: Is the interesting? All right, let's go That's what.
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would say too.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving anybody out
Speaker 1: that you guys thought should be there. So again, why
Speaker 1: receiver four through seven is Worthy, McConkie, Thomas, and Coleman
Speaker 1: Bogman Of those four in that order, would you change
Speaker 1: anybody around?
Speaker 4: I go Worthy, Coleman, mconkie, Thomas. That's how I order mine,
Speaker 4: And that is the difference to me there. You know,
Speaker 4: once again, talent is talent. These guys all have it, right.
Speaker 4: I think for Maconkey, he goes to an offense that
Speaker 4: is going to be a Roman Wilson you or a
Speaker 4: Greg Roman you know, run first heavy offense.
Speaker 1: I wonder why you have Roman Wilson on the brain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder why. But yeah, so Greg Greg Roman is
Speaker 1: running this offense, and we know it's going to be
Speaker 1: very very run heavy. In Buffalo, It's gonna be different.
Speaker 1: It's going to be pass heavy. They're going to rely
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. So Coleman gets the bump there for me.
Speaker 1: In terms of Brian Thomas, I think that Brian Thomas
Speaker 1: could easily be the number one out out of all
Speaker 1: of these guys, right. But the Jacksonville offense has been
Speaker 1: so stagnant and they keep doing this weird stuff with it,
Speaker 1: and Gabe Davis is there. Are they going to have
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas running more underneath because Gave Davis is there
Speaker 1: is gonna be vice versa. This gave Davis go to
Speaker 1: the bench. Kirk is a great option that Ingram is
Speaker 1: looked at in the end zone. There's just so many
Speaker 1: guys in Jacksonville. I struggle to know immediately what Thomas's
Speaker 1: role is. It could be wide receiver one from the
Speaker 1: jump that would not be a shock, so he has
Speaker 1: to be in here. But I just put him below
Speaker 1: those other guys because of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Thomas one is really intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: Fits because like, he was the consensus wide receiver for
Speaker 1: in this class for a while and now it wasn't
Speaker 1: like there was a huge gap, but he was the
Speaker 1: guy that pretty much everybody was putting at the one
Speaker 1: oh nine prior to seeing landing spots. He gets paired
Speaker 1: with a quarterback that there's clearly at least a chance
Speaker 1: kind of elevates into an upper tier quarterback. He's got
Speaker 1: the talent, obviously, was an all time you know prospect
Speaker 1: coming out Clemson in Trevor Lawrence, and you're you're pairing
Speaker 1: a guy who is now his most talented wide receiver
Speaker 1: at the very least, even if he hasn't you know,
Speaker 1: kind of gotten the experience yet. So I don't think
Speaker 1: the landing spot is so bad that he should be
Speaker 1: falling a lot. Having said that, you know, Worthy gets
Speaker 1: paired with the fastest wide receiver in the draft, gets
Speaker 1: paired with Mahomes, obvious great contested catch guy, gets paired
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen, obvious. Lab Aconki is now out like
Speaker 1: the top of that depth chart.
Speaker 2: Obvious.
Speaker 1: So I get the case for the other guys, but
Speaker 1: I don't feel like Brian Thomas should be falling that much.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way fits?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't love this landing spot for Brian Thomas.
Speaker 3: I've got him wide receiver seven now and have moved
Speaker 3: him down since, you know, post draft, and I've got
Speaker 3: him just ahead of Ricky Piersoll, who I think deserves
Speaker 3: to be in this tier. I just it seems like
Speaker 3: we talked about how incongruent the Falcons moves where at
Speaker 3: quarterback with the big money contract for Kirk Cousins and
Speaker 3: then spending the eighth overall pick on Michael Pennix Junior.
Speaker 4: I feel, to a.
Speaker 3: Much lesser extent, the Jaguars have done something like that
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, giving a fairly big money contract to
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis to be their designated lid lifter, and then
Speaker 3: drafting another vertical receiver in Brian Thomas. You know, no
Speaker 3: surprise with Trent Balky being the GM I don't think
Speaker 3: he's one of the better gms in the league, So yeah,
Speaker 3: he's not good. So I don't know, Like it's not
Speaker 3: my favorite landings, but they've also got one hundred plus
Speaker 3: catch tight end. They've got Christian Kirk, so like I
Speaker 3: could see maybe Brian Thomas not getting the sort of
Speaker 3: targets we think he should for a guy who had
Speaker 3: seventeen touchdowns last year at LSU.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just not my favorite landing spot. And I actually
Speaker 3: kind of traded out of two oh two in one
Speaker 3: of my rookie drafts rather than take Brian Thomas. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not in love.
Speaker 1: It's one of those scenarios where I could see it
Speaker 1: going either way. Ultimately, at the same time, I'm like
Speaker 1: he had the best draft capital of anybody besides the
Speaker 1: Big three. He's with a very talented young quarterback who
Speaker 1: was still on the upswing, and there's room in this offense.
Speaker 1: There's maybe a mouse to feed. There is room for
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. Now, is Brian Thomas capable of
Speaker 1: being that number one receiver? I think it's a very
Speaker 1: very valid question. But there's room for an alpha in
Speaker 1: this offense, and again, I think the pairing is better
Speaker 1: than he's getting being given credit for with Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: and he was taken higher than all these other receivers
Speaker 1: outside the elite top three. So again I get why
Speaker 1: the other guys might have moved up. I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like my estimation of Brian Thomas and my desire
Speaker 1: to have him on my Dynasty roster didn't lower because
Speaker 1: of the landing spot.
Speaker 2: Is that a fair way to put it, Bagman? I
Speaker 2: think so.
Speaker 4: I think the difference to me is that you know,
Speaker 4: it's mahomes, Alan and Herbert. Those are the three qbs
Speaker 4: that you're trusting, and these guys will probably I mean Worthy,
Speaker 4: I guess, is the exception of not being the number
Speaker 4: one option right for she Rice comes back and Kelsey
Speaker 4: sticks around a little bit longer than we think, then yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe Worthy has more option, but no one has the
Speaker 4: upside that Worthy does either, that Tyreek Kill type of upside.
Speaker 4: So it's a double edged sort of you know how
Speaker 4: you want to view it. For me, he definitely is
Speaker 4: in this tier. Those other qbs are trustable. I think
Speaker 4: those all these guys can be a number one, And
Speaker 4: you know, I think what Fitz said also lends a
Speaker 4: little credence too. How can you trust what Bulky is doing? Yeah,
Speaker 4: at all? It just doesn't seem to ever make sense.
Speaker 4: So I like Brian Thomas, I just don't like him
Speaker 4: landing in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Next group of guys here, and this is the consensus
Speaker 1: rankings again, A wide receiver. Eight Ricky Pearsall, nine is
Speaker 1: Adenai Mitchell, ten is Xavier Lagette, eleven is Troy Franklin,
Speaker 1: twelve Roman Wilson, thirteen Jalen Polk, and fourteen Jermaine Burton.
Speaker 1: Now I want to start with Pearsaw here because to me,
Speaker 1: while he is clearly behind those first seven names, I
Speaker 1: think he's closer to them than to the rest. I know, Fitz,
Speaker 1: you have him ranked fairly closely. Bogman, you do not, So, Bogman,
Speaker 1: I want to start with you. Why are you lower
Speaker 1: than the two of us on Pearsaw. It's landing spot.
Speaker 1: I love Pearsaw, but I don't like Pearsaw being behind
Speaker 1: Debo and Ayuk and Kittle. And we all know that
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey gets more touches than anyone in the NFL,
Speaker 1: so he's behind all three of those guys start his career.
Speaker 1: We know, I'm looking at things more in a three
Speaker 1: year window than long long term as well. So these
Speaker 1: first couple of seasons might be bad. Now, look, things
Speaker 1: could open up.
Speaker 4: There's still a possibility that one of these dudes gets
Speaker 4: traded this offseason, right, so then maybe we're opening more
Speaker 4: things up. But even in that scenario, where is Pierce
Speaker 4: in the pecking order to start, right, he's at best
Speaker 4: probably fourth, maybe Kittle. Maybe he passes Kittle real quickly,
Speaker 4: but I CMC are definitely still ahead of him. So
Speaker 4: it's just to me, it was more about the landing spot.
Speaker 4: It's not about Ricky Piersoll talent. I think he's great.
Speaker 4: Could he be very successful in this offense, absolutely, But
Speaker 4: I lowered him a little bit just because I do
Speaker 4: not like this landing spot for the jump start of
Speaker 4: his career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fits, I want to sort of quickly share my opinion.
Speaker 1: Then I want to get you to dive a little
Speaker 1: deep rut of this. For me, I look at it
Speaker 1: in a vacuum and I say, we're looking at a
Speaker 1: receiver that we all really like, talent wise and great athleticism.
Speaker 1: Had one of the best catches you'll ever see in
Speaker 1: the college season. Last year he got first round draft capital,
Speaker 1: somewhat surprisingly.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing.
Speaker 1: And he's in an offense with the best play designer
Speaker 1: and play caller in the sport. And you know, I
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of Moules ahead of him right now,
Speaker 1: but CMC is aging for a running back, George Kittle
Speaker 1: is aging. I do expect Devo or I to be
Speaker 1: treated at some point, even if it's not this season,
Speaker 1: then by next season they just can't keep everybody. So
Speaker 1: I think there's a real chance at a year from now,
Speaker 1: we're looking at him as one of the top two
Speaker 1: receivers in this offense, one of the top three pass
Speaker 1: catchers in this offense run by Kyle Shanahan, and with
Speaker 1: this great draft capital. So I am still very bullish
Speaker 1: on pure Saul, you know, again behind the other guys,
Speaker 1: but also at this stage in the process, like in
Speaker 1: terms of where you're gonna be drafting him, you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily assuming you're gonna get a ton year one anyway
Speaker 1: from any of these guys. It's mostly a long term play. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I talked longer than I meant to there. I really
Speaker 1: want to hear your opinion here. I'm sure that's what
Speaker 1: everybody else listening wants to hear it too. So what
Speaker 1: do you think about Pierce all Fits?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay, you talked a lot because I don't
Speaker 3: have a lot to say. I pretty much agree with
Speaker 3: you, you know, and I know Bogman's not dissing him, but like,
Speaker 3: I'm less concerned about the sort of blockage he faces
Speaker 3: on the depth chart because you know, Ayuk is reportedly
Speaker 3: not happy and could be traded. Deebo gets nicked up
Speaker 3: a lot, Like, I think he'll get his chance, maybe
Speaker 3: not this year, but down the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, I do get the lot
Speaker 1: of mouse to feed, Like, I can see why the
Speaker 1: landing spot has again a red flag, but I see
Speaker 1: a lot of green flags, a lot.
Speaker 4: Of good wide receivers. I think that's it. You know,
Speaker 4: we are we are splitting hairs here among them.
Speaker 1: One of the guys that you are higher on Bagman
Speaker 1: is Polk, who obviously went early second round, very clear
Speaker 1: opportunity to get targets in an offense with a talented
Speaker 1: young quarterback. We don't know what May is going to
Speaker 1: look like as a quarterback in the NFL. But he'll
Speaker 1: have the opportunity and we know the arm talent's good,
Speaker 1: and we know Polk have the opportunity because there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, other mouths defeat in that offense.
Speaker 1: Certain it's the anti San Francisco. You've got him as
Speaker 1: a top ten receiver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have met nine and you know, it's all
Speaker 4: about opportunity. There is tons of opportunity in New England.
Speaker 4: I you know fits and I pulled that trade off
Speaker 4: in the Tags League and it was so I could
Speaker 4: get Javon Baker because I think Javon Baker also has
Speaker 4: a shot. I have him in this tier with you know,
Speaker 4: Pearsall and Polk, you know, and ad Ni Mitchell and
Speaker 4: guys like that. After that four tier that we had before,
Speaker 4: I have a bigger tier of guys that I all
Speaker 4: think these dudes could be number ones, right, they all
Speaker 4: have that level of talent. But specifically with Polk, I mean,
Speaker 4: who is he fighting Kayshawn Bouti for snaps? You know
Speaker 4: it's do Mario Pop, Douglas, Kendrick Bourne, Javon Baker, the
Speaker 4: Ghost of Juju, the slowest man in the NFL, kJ
Speaker 4: Osbourne like they they just they don't have a lot
Speaker 4: of juice here. I think Polk could be I think
Speaker 4: by the end of the season that Polk and Baker
Speaker 4: are the one and two for this offense right now.
Speaker 4: And I think you're going to see a ton of
Speaker 4: plays designed for Baker because he's the only wide receiver
Speaker 4: on this team with speed. So I think we're going
Speaker 4: to see screen passes, We're going to see deep hitters
Speaker 4: towards Baker as well, and Polk can take advantage of
Speaker 4: some bad corners and being the number one option just
Speaker 4: by having a high target volume. Obviously, these guys have
Speaker 4: to do it in camp. They got to beat out
Speaker 4: these vets who have been around for a while, and
Speaker 4: you know they're not going to just go away and
Speaker 4: give their job away. But I think that Polk and
Speaker 4: Baker have a great They have great opportunity to be
Speaker 4: high target share guys immediately in New England. So that's
Speaker 4: why I'm high on both of them.
Speaker 1: So Fits, you're roughly in line with consensus on Polks,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the next guy, Jamaine Burton,
Speaker 1: who you are lower than consentsus on. Meanwhile, Boggs is
Speaker 1: higher than consensus on. So neither of you really agree.
Speaker 2: You're just going in opposite direction fits what are you
Speaker 2: not seeing with Burton?
Speaker 3: So I think some people like this landing spot I
Speaker 3: really don't like for Burton. I think the assumption is
Speaker 3: and granted this is probably T higgins last season in Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: but Jamar Chase is going to be a target hog
Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future. So there's a lid on Burton's upside,
Speaker 3: I think as long as Jamar Chase is there. But
Speaker 3: like we've seen how the Bengals operate, they obviously want
Speaker 3: to give Joe Burrow a lot of offensive weaponry, a
Speaker 3: lot of pass catchers. We saw this when they were
Speaker 3: facing the dilemma of draft Jamar Chase or Piney Sewell,
Speaker 3: get the blindside protector or get the pass catcher. They
Speaker 3: chose the pass catcher. They've got two really good wideouts
Speaker 3: right now. They drafted Jermaine Burton anyway in the third round,
Speaker 3: and I have no doubt if T. Higgins walks after
Speaker 3: this year, they're going to be drafting another wide receiver
Speaker 3: next year. So, like, I just don't see a clear
Speaker 3: path to like substantial targets for Burton. And then you
Speaker 3: add on to the fact that like he's got some
Speaker 3: character issues, like and I don't know the kid. I mean,
Speaker 3: he could be a great kid for all we know.
Speaker 3: But it has been reported by like Thor and others
Speaker 3: that maybe some NFL teams didn't even have Jermaine Burton
Speaker 3: on their draft board and that you know, he didn't
Speaker 3: get along well with the coaches at either Georgia or Elevant.
Speaker 2: Quickly bog mean, why are you higher on Burton?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's the fit. I really like this fit here.
Speaker 4: I also think that, you know, what we saw from
Speaker 4: Burton and Alabama last year is not really a complete
Speaker 4: process because Milroe is not complete yet. And I think
Speaker 4: when you go from Milroe to Joe Burrow to an
Speaker 4: offense that is pass heavy with a guy like him,
Speaker 4: I do think there are concerns, you know. I think
Speaker 4: the character concerns are the biggest ones. I think, you
Speaker 4: know fits saying they're probably gonna go after another weapon
Speaker 4: if these guys don't work out. I think also it
Speaker 4: could be an issue. But I think he's a big
Speaker 4: play guy. I'm not drafting him to be my PPR
Speaker 4: guy and get a lot of receptions. I'm he's my
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Three. He's a swing guy for me. You know,
Speaker 4: we all want to make everyone to Shaun Jackson. He's
Speaker 4: that type of gamble bogman.
Speaker 1: The last guy in this group that you guys disagree
Speaker 1: on is Roman Wilson.
Speaker 2: You're lower on your guy. What's what gives?
Speaker 4: I mean? I love Roman Wilson. And this is the
Speaker 4: first question when I got in here while while you
Speaker 4: were walking the dog where that fits asked me about
Speaker 4: when we came in here. Roman Wilson is a great
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Arthur Smith's offense sucks. It's not good. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be it's for wide receivers. It's bad, dude. It's
Speaker 4: all about running. It's gonna be a lot of nause
Speaker 4: and a lot of Jalen Warren and the Steelers' emphasis
Speaker 4: on drafting Roman Wilson is his blocking and he did
Speaker 4: it at Michigan right. He has a lot of he
Speaker 4: has a lot of experience blocking for running backs. He's
Speaker 4: gonna make big plays too, I have no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: But if Arthur Smith is tied here, I expect his
Speaker 4: main job job a number one for Roman, it's to
Speaker 4: be laying out wide receivers and tight ends and helping
Speaker 4: in the blocking game. And he is the type of
Speaker 4: guy that loves it too. So until we start getting
Speaker 4: points for pancake blocks, I think he's got to be
Speaker 4: a little bit lower in fantasy.
Speaker 2: I would love to plan in that league, by the way,
Speaker 2: I would love it absolutely, P P P B. I
Speaker 2: guess is what it would be.
Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson number one pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just can I just state my amazement that
Speaker 3: for Bogman, the touch of death for Arthur Smith so
Speaker 3: outweighs the midas touched. The Steelers have a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Like if the Steelers drafted you in the fourth rond worm,
Speaker 3: I think you would have an eight hundred season for
Speaker 3: that separation whatever, Like whatever they do, a wide receiver
Speaker 3: turns to gold.
Speaker 4: I think Roman Wilson is also a downfield receiver. We're
Speaker 4: going to see Russell Wilson, you know back there. He
Speaker 4: had the most passes in NFL history behind the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage last year, right, Like, I think it's a
Speaker 4: lot of the fit is weird. The pieces don't seem
Speaker 4: to be lining up. I think the whole offense is
Speaker 4: better with justin fields. So hopefully that doesn't take very long.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Man, I just and just to since you didn't say it,
Speaker 3: worm ecr on Roman Wilson is wide receiver twelve. I've
Speaker 3: got him wide receiver nine. Bagman has him wide receiver seventeen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's at least two seasons of Arthur Smith.
Speaker 4: That's how I see it. So you know, the talent
Speaker 4: is amazing. I love Roman, I'm glad he's on the Steelers.
Speaker 4: I hate the Arthur Smith offense. I really do.
Speaker 1: We're going a little along on the receivers, but I
Speaker 1: really do think just given what a storyline it was
Speaker 1: over draft weekend, that I have to ask if please like,
Speaker 1: let's keep it quick but fits Troy Franklin, what were
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him falling to the top of the
Speaker 1: fourth round. And you know, it's somebody that I really
Speaker 1: liked in the draft process and now you know he's
Speaker 1: paired to this college quarterback.
Speaker 2: But he fell a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently teams did not like his combine workout at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, running the gauntlet drill. He he
Speaker 3: did look like me coming out of a bar in
Speaker 3: Madison when I was in college at twelve or one
Speaker 3: in the morning. And yeah, so I don't know. The
Speaker 3: Day three draft capital thing isn't great, but maybe it's
Speaker 3: not the worst thing. He lands with bow Knicks, even
Speaker 3: though bow Knicks doesn't have a big arm, but there's
Speaker 3: some comfort level there, and Franklin made a lot of
Speaker 3: plays for Nicks last year, So yeah, I don't hate it.
Speaker 3: I'm below consensus on Franklin, but not my.
Speaker 2: Last er of receivers here.
Speaker 1: Why was here for fifteen Malachi Coraley, sixteen, Javont Baker, seventeen,
Speaker 1: Jalen McMillan, eighteen, Luke McCaffrey, nineteen, Leak Washington and twenty
Speaker 1: Devontees Walker Bogman. Pick one of those that stands out
Speaker 1: to you, ah, one of those that stands out to me.
Speaker 1: I'll go with Luke McCaffrey ending up in the Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury offense. There's also a lot of opportunity on that roster.
Speaker 1: Dotson didn't put it together last year. It's Diami Brown,
Speaker 1: guys like that. I think McCaffrey could be affected pretty
Speaker 1: quick fits Pick one of those guys too, Again, that
Speaker 1: was what I say. Baker, Coraley, McMillan, McCaffrey, Washington.
Speaker 3: Walker Melachai Coraley. I know he's not a Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 3: I won't even though people like to make that comparison
Speaker 3: because of his run after the catch game. But I
Speaker 3: also don't agree with Thorne Eistrom's comp of Amari Rodgers
Speaker 3: for Malachi Corley, Like this dude is legit after the catch,
Speaker 3: and it does seem like you know, I know they
Speaker 3: had footage of the Jets war room making the call
Speaker 3: to Corley after they drafted him. They seemed really fired up.
Speaker 3: It seems like they have a plan for Malachi Corley
Speaker 3: and no insert Paul Hackett joke or Nathaniel Hackett joke here, But.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about that one. I've got a wide receiver
Speaker 3: twelve A Bove.
Speaker 1: I love reading Thor's comps because so many of them,
Speaker 1: like Omaro Rodgers is Oh yeah, I did draft that
Speaker 1: guy in the late third and rookie draft a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, like and completely forgot about him ever since.
Speaker 1: By the way, I am, like Bogman, not as high
Speaker 1: on my own team's pick. I like I like what
Speaker 1: tedes Walker does for the offense because he fits, he
Speaker 1: feels a need that the Ravens had. But I I'm
Speaker 1: not aggressively drafting him and.
Speaker 4: I like him as a project.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, tools see fourth round pick too, and
Speaker 3: that's like better than expected.
Speaker 1: But there's just so many other good receivers that I
Speaker 1: like in my third and fourth round picks of rookie drafts.
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be looking elsewhere, I would imagine when
Speaker 1: I get to that point.
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Speaker 1: tier of his own brock Boers, there's no sense discussing
Speaker 1: where he ranks amongst tight ends. So just very quickly,
Speaker 1: where are you guys drafting him in super Flex rookie drafts?
Speaker 1: How far did he fall because of the Raiders landing
Speaker 1: spot that was I think is being a little overblown,
Speaker 1: to be honest. We talked about this fits earlier in
Speaker 1: the week, but is still a surprise and not necessarily
Speaker 1: the high end outcome we were hoping for Bogman, I'll
Speaker 1: start with you.
Speaker 4: I got him at seven in super Flex and four
Speaker 4: in PPR, so very high, very igh on Bowers and Fitz.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a bit on Tuesday before the
Speaker 1: Dynasty feed folks.
Speaker 3: One O four in one QB, one O eight in
Speaker 3: super Flex. I love him. I'm not worried about the
Speaker 3: landing spot. I mean, he's just such a Swiss army knife.
Speaker 3: He's He's gonna work no matter what sort of role.
Speaker 4: Is a weapon, not a tight end. Think of him
Speaker 4: as a weapon.
Speaker 1: And if anything, I like that Michael Mayer is there,
Speaker 1: who's going to get to do the blocking and and
Speaker 1: I know's he's well rounded. He's not only a blocking
Speaker 1: tight end. But I like that they have another guy who.
Speaker 4: It sucks for him. Ye, for him, it's great.
Speaker 2: Bad for him. It doesn't scare me off.
Speaker 1: Bowers In Garner Minshew is perfectly fine quarterback to help
Speaker 1: a guy out.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, let's let's go look at the others.
Speaker 1: Really, deebro is very high on Ben Sinnett. He's number
Speaker 1: two in consensus. Three Agtavian Sanders, the Longhorn four, Theo
Speaker 1: Johnson five, Eric All who debro Thora both very high on,
Speaker 1: but of course has had the injury concern so of
Speaker 1: that group before Senate Sanders, THEO Johnson, Eric All, Bogman.
Speaker 1: Does anybody stand out to you as maybe over ranked
Speaker 1: or under ranked?
Speaker 4: I don't really like anybody. It's I sont In Sanders
Speaker 4: are real close to me. I think that both those
Speaker 4: guys could be number one this year. I sat being
Speaker 4: picked in the second is what puts him over for me.
Speaker 4: It's very rare. I'm going to have draft stock tied
Speaker 4: to their value. You saw my wide receiver ranks right like,
Speaker 4: I don't care. I'll put Burton ahead a pier. Solid
Speaker 4: doesn't make any difference to me. It's the fit. I
Speaker 4: like the fit. I don't like the fit firston not
Speaker 4: in Washington. The reason is is because he seems gimmicky
Speaker 4: for Cliff Kingsbury. He seems like a guy that's gonna
Speaker 4: be a goal line guy or an h back Chris
Speaker 4: Cooley weird stuff. But if he slides in right behind
Speaker 4: Ertz and he's running with the wides, great, then that's awesome.
Speaker 4: I just don't know what his role is there. Sanders
Speaker 4: I have ranked pretty high because it's Tommy Tremble and
Speaker 4: nobody in Carolina, and they need weapons for Bryce Young,
Speaker 4: so I do think there's an immediate need for him.
Speaker 4: I don't care about anybody else in this class. To
Speaker 4: be honest with you, Eric All is fine. I love
Speaker 4: him ending up in Cincinnati. I think the fit is good,
Speaker 4: but I don't really care about anybody else fits.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that group? Anybody excite you?
Speaker 3: I echo bog sentiment to me. There are four tight
Speaker 3: ends in this draft worth taking in a rookie draft.
Speaker 3: It's Bowers, Senate, Sanders, and All. And I've actually Boggs
Speaker 3: pined unfriend me for this. But I've got All ahead
Speaker 3: of Sanders now. I mean they were drafted really close
Speaker 3: together in the fourth round. I think fourth round draft
Speaker 3: cap sort of damning for Sanders and sort of surprisingly
Speaker 3: good for All, and All goes to a great spot.
Speaker 3: Like the tight end in Cincinnati. They were trying to
Speaker 3: ham An Eggett last year with like Drew Sample and
Speaker 3: Tanner Hudson and like Irv Smith, who of course they
Speaker 3: couldn't count on, and those guys were getting targets, but
Speaker 3: I think their yards per catch was like the lowest
Speaker 3: of any tight end group in the league last year.
Speaker 3: So All is the guy who could change that. The
Speaker 3: only knock on him, it's not the talent, it's the injury.
Speaker 3: History had to undergo back surgery, which apparently went swimmingly
Speaker 3: according to All and is no longer an issue. Also
Speaker 3: a torn acl and that's what he's recovering from right now.
Speaker 3: But you know, the knee is really I think the
Speaker 3: only thing with this guy. Otherwise you're getting a very
Speaker 3: talented tight end in a really optimal situation.
Speaker 4: Why when I unfriend you fits when I can just
Speaker 4: be right and brag about it later, That's what I like.
Speaker 2: It isn't that what friends are for?
Speaker 4: That's right?
Speaker 1: Anything worth saying about Kate Stover, Jahem Bell, Jared Wiley,
Speaker 1: those the next three guys in the list are You're
Speaker 1: not even drafting them in rookie drafts?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I like, I like some of these guys.
Speaker 4: But Theo Johnson going to the Giant.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just, yeah, Theo's a freak athlete, He's
Speaker 3: just not good at catching the football and doing things
Speaker 3: after the catch.
Speaker 4: That would be that, that would be right. Yeah. I
Speaker 4: like the landing spot for Stover and for Wiley, Like
Speaker 4: Wiley in Kansas City is a good spot. McLaughlin, Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, if if all is going to be hurt,
Speaker 4: I think he's an option. I do like jaheanm Bell
Speaker 4: because they just need playmakers for the Patriots. But tight
Speaker 4: end is the toughest position to transfer from college to
Speaker 4: the pros. So it's a big learning curve for all
Speaker 4: of these guys. So I just don't expect big impacts
Speaker 4: this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fits, I mean, any thoughts on those kind of
Speaker 1: back end guys, Like you're a big ten guy, so
Speaker 1: Kate Stover, I mean, Jaian Bell obviously kind of a
Speaker 1: unique skill set. Wiley, maybe you know the heir apparent
Speaker 1: to Kelsey down the way down the line. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think about these three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are just not top sixty picks for me
Speaker 3: in super flex. I mean maybe in the fifth round
Speaker 3: of a one QB sure, but like, I just don't think.
Speaker 2: They're sor right.
Speaker 1: We'll get out of there on that longer episode. But
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of good stuff in there.
Speaker 1: We hit on a lot of names, so I appreciate
Speaker 1: everybody sticking around. Good to be podcasting to you guys again.
Speaker 1: We'll be back again next week, I believe for a
Speaker 1: mock draft, so be sure to check us out then
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