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Speaker 1: family is going to be happy. Yeah. How was your weekend? Uh?
Speaker 1: Really really great? Uh? I discovered Mormon porm. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: so that was the first thing. Yeah, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what. Oh you know why because I was going
Speaker 1: to salt, like say the and then I was thinking
Speaker 1: about Mormons and then I was like, wait, what if
Speaker 1: they have Mormon porn? I mean it's not actual Mormons
Speaker 1: doing it. They're dressed as Mormons with like the undergarments
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I really liked it. It was very good.
Speaker 1: A lot of like young, like schoolgirl type Mormon people,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, like what you're doing? What
Speaker 1: kind of the undergarments are we talking about? Um? They
Speaker 1: were like religious undergarments that kind of like uh they
Speaker 1: like an old school uh slip, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Is it sexy? Well it wasn't that porn, I bet um.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not not sexy. I've seen worse as
Speaker 1: far as religious undergarments go. Do they also have underwear on.
Speaker 1: Uh well, this like what was there a thing there was?
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a like one priest was
Speaker 1: like a body suit and then there was also like
Speaker 1: a skirt slip that went over it. Now, did she
Speaker 1: move the fabric of the body suit aside to have
Speaker 1: sex or does she take the entire thing off? It
Speaker 1: depends that. There was a couple of them all from
Speaker 1: the Mormon Girls with a Z series and Mormon Girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and most of them I think did they
Speaker 1: take them on? Was there I don't know't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a dialogue about Mormonism. Uh no, I mean
Speaker 1: they weren't just like, hey, I'm warm and you're a Mormon.
Speaker 1: Let's fuck Hey Tiffany, I'm Mormon, Amber, you're Mormon too.
Speaker 1: I feel like that part was kind of didn't need to.
Speaker 1: We didn't need any more exposition as far as that went,
Speaker 1: because you already got to if you're going to Mormon
Speaker 1: girls that what you're looking for is a pretty, you know,
Speaker 1: niche category. Did you you enjoyed it? It was good,
Speaker 1: it was new, it was fresh, but it wasn't too weird.
Speaker 1: I don't like anything like that crazy that weird. I
Speaker 1: don't like anyone look like looking like they're getting hurt
Speaker 1: or not having a good time. The only thing that
Speaker 1: took me out of it was I was like, if
Speaker 1: we're really supposed to think these girls are Mormon, probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't have a huge thigh tattoo. Oh that's cheating. It
Speaker 1: was like, all right, come on, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: airbrush gun maybe or maybe don't work that girl for
Speaker 1: that piece, right, but she needs jobs, you know what.
Speaker 1: It's what I've been looking at lately on board sites
Speaker 1: like not like average guy and hot girl. I don't
Speaker 1: know why average guy in like an average like older
Speaker 1: dude to like getting a person like way out of
Speaker 1: their league like an old older than maybe basically I
Speaker 1: don't know why. But well, I mean that's like real life.
Speaker 1: Are these are these guys like very excited and worshiping
Speaker 1: these young hawk girls. They're not. They're very excited. I
Speaker 1: think it's because they felt okay, because they're like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe it's be inside. Well I was. As long
Speaker 1: as they're appreciative of it, I feel like it's okay.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel that way, Like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's no direct correlation. I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: is kind of nice, right, Maybe the lady is more power.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. So I did
Speaker 1: that and then on Sunday, me and James side of
Speaker 1: day to do drugs. That's so fun what we did mushrooms?
Speaker 1: Have you ever you've done before? Yes, that was the
Speaker 1: first trick I ever did. And that's the one that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do, right, because that's the one I mean
Speaker 1: I I said percent should not do because you I
Speaker 1: think you'd feel like you're trapped in your own body.
Speaker 1: It last, it lasts a very long time. I already
Speaker 1: feel like my chest closing in. Uh, mushrooms, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Honestly, I think mushrooms are better than
Speaker 1: those fucking THHC edibles. I don't think those me either.
Speaker 1: Do you do you? Isn't it with mushrooms? Do they
Speaker 1: alter your sense of consciousness? Or do you just like
Speaker 1: see colors? Right? But everyone experiences it differently. I mean, basically,
Speaker 1: it's like a low grade acid, but it's, uh, it's natural,
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that says. See my luck,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, why is there a monster coming out
Speaker 1: of my shoe trying to eat me have a bad trip,
Speaker 1: Like Paul has had a bad trip where she like
Speaker 1: she had one good one and then she had one
Speaker 1: where she like thought she was in a horror movie
Speaker 1: and everyone's face was ripping. And the problem is it
Speaker 1: that one lasts like five to six hours. So it's like,
Speaker 1: if you're having a bad trip, you just kind of
Speaker 1: got a roll. You gotta roll with it if you can.
Speaker 1: I can't sleep on drugs, but you know what, I
Speaker 1: probably I don't. I mean, I'm saying this, but I
Speaker 1: have no idea because I had a bad trip quote
Speaker 1: unquote at that fucking airport um and I couldn't find
Speaker 1: the humor in it at all except afterwards when I
Speaker 1: talked about it. But I wonder if I had a
Speaker 1: bad trip, my instinct would probably be like, it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's like a dreamland, okay, Like just make fun of
Speaker 1: people and try and be okay and take control of
Speaker 1: the situation by making fun. Well, I mean, because you're
Speaker 1: still you're still you when you're doing drugs. So it's
Speaker 1: like I was still me, but I was just a
Speaker 1: hyper like a hyper version of me. Uh not hyper
Speaker 1: meaning energy meaning like extra magnified. So I took it.
Speaker 1: And then I went to the Shake Shock on like
Speaker 1: East six or whatever, because I was gonna go to
Speaker 1: the Guggenheim, and I was like, let's go to shake
Speaker 1: Shock first. There was like way too many people at
Speaker 1: shake Shock, and uh, I just decided that I wanted
Speaker 1: to kill everybody. Not actually kill him, but I was
Speaker 1: like truly wishing everyone and the thing was dead, which
Speaker 1: is a thought I would normally have, but it was
Speaker 1: just like really magnified, intensified. Did you say anything out loud?
Speaker 1: I told. I told James, I was like, had I
Speaker 1: just really like, I feel like I want to tell
Speaker 1: everyone that I want them to be dead. And then
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't say that. Not a good
Speaker 1: idea right now, right? I mean, I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: would take me seriously anyway. I don't know, man, times
Speaker 1: is crazy, right, But I just looked very non threatening
Speaker 1: and I was wearing a crazy but I was wearing
Speaker 1: like a crazy off because I was wearing my big
Speaker 1: sweet coat and I had like electric electric neon Converse
Speaker 1: sneakers on. They might be like, I don't think she
Speaker 1: has a weapon, but she might well. James nicknamed me faggot,
Speaker 1: which oh, which I was like ash. I stayed it
Speaker 1: on the air because I was like, people already don't
Speaker 1: like James, but would approve we actually neither of us care,
Speaker 1: so I mean, it's not against the LGBT community, please,
Speaker 1: they would never dress like I have way more staff
Speaker 1: for sure. And then yeah, so we did that, and
Speaker 1: then we went to the Googenheim and I watched it
Speaker 1: and again like the only thing that ruined it was
Speaker 1: the other people there. But it was great always it was.
Speaker 1: It was great, It was wonderful. That's nice. Did you
Speaker 1: have sex on mushrooms? When I was coming down from it?
Speaker 1: I've had sex on like mushrooms and stuff before. Does
Speaker 1: it make it different? Is it like it's not a
Speaker 1: dick in me, it's a giant wave. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: when you're like in the middle of a triple acid,
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to have sex. We couldn't even do
Speaker 1: it with mushrooms, and I think I could have probably
Speaker 1: could have done it. But I did it when like
Speaker 1: I did it when I took acid and then immediately
Speaker 1: started having sex like while I was waiting for for
Speaker 1: the Kicken, and that was really cool. But that was
Speaker 1: also how I got stuck with that eight hour orgasm
Speaker 1: in my shoulder. Oh yeah, I remember that. That sounds
Speaker 1: not that was the last oscars. Yeah. I haven't done
Speaker 1: drugs in a whole year. I mean besides that edible
Speaker 1: that we did. Oh yeah, that turned me turned me
Speaker 1: against edibles and airports yucky. Yeah, well that wasn't good.
Speaker 1: There was some kind of weird caffeinated quality to that
Speaker 1: that I did not like there was methin it, I'm
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Speaker 1: It started out about a year ago when my parents
Speaker 1: decided that even though I was eighteen, they wanted to
Speaker 1: go online and look through all of my text growth.
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Speaker 1: they demand to know where it is one of the time.
Speaker 1: They are extremely controlling and don't really let me hang
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Speaker 1: sometimes lie about where I am so I can hang
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Speaker 1: time and found out I wasn't where I said I was.
Speaker 1: This led to them calling my phone thirty seven times
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and texting that they were going to call
Speaker 1: the police if I wasn't home now, good God. After that,
Speaker 1: they took the door off my bathroom and decided that
Speaker 1: I must have been hooking up with some random guy
Speaker 1: off Tinder, and that's probably what I'm doing any time
Speaker 1: I'm not home. I've since gotten my own phone plans
Speaker 1: so they don't track me or look at my text
Speaker 1: My mom found my vibrators that sucks while going through
Speaker 1: my drawers, which didn't help my cause, although last time
Speaker 1: I checked, no one's gotten pregnant from a vibrator. I've
Speaker 1: been listening to your podcast for a while now, and
Speaker 1: they and actually it's another reason they think I'm a slut.
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Speaker 1: mom found a box of condoms, none missing, not that
Speaker 1: that matters in my room. Last week she gave me
Speaker 1: a forty five minute lecture about how I need to
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Speaker 1: respect for myself. My brother's fiance's family wanted me to
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Speaker 1: her grandma was staying at the house so I didn't
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Speaker 1: to me. Actually, my sister is letting the dog out
Speaker 1: because my brother decided that I'm too much of a
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Speaker 1: there to hook up. Good God. My parents are very
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Speaker 1: with any guy she meets. If I don't respond to
Speaker 1: a text within five minutes, my mom assumes I'm hooking
Speaker 1: up with someone and starts freaking out, calling and texting.
Speaker 1: They also told my siblings about what a whore I am.
Speaker 1: Good God, So basically that's how I'm known in my family.
Speaker 1: What they don't know is that it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to even get guys to talk to me. I'm not
Speaker 1: the most attractive person to start with, and I have
Speaker 1: terrible social anxiety. I've only slept with two guys, I
Speaker 1: didn't have my first kiss until I was eighteen. The
Speaker 1: first guy I slept with wasn't random. We've gone out
Speaker 1: on dates and I just really wanted to lose my virginity.
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd even count that one because
Speaker 1: it lasted like five minutes stops. The second one I'm
Speaker 1: still seeing. No, we're not dating, but he's a really
Speaker 1: nice guy and actually cares about me. I'm always safe.
Speaker 1: I had an i U D put in a few
Speaker 1: months ago and also use condoms. Clearly, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to talk to them about it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk to them about it because it's none of
Speaker 1: their damn business. My whole life, they've been emotionally and
Speaker 1: at times physically abusive, and I feel like nothing will
Speaker 1: change until I move out. But I'm paying for college
Speaker 1: on my own and I'm trying to save up for
Speaker 1: a car with just a part time job, so it's
Speaker 1: going to be a while. I've seen a therapist, but
Speaker 1: it didn't really help. I love the podcast. It's helped
Speaker 1: me become so much more confident in my sexuality. I
Speaker 1: hope you guys continue life someday. Rachel Damn Rachel girl
Speaker 1: shit usuab believe that. I don't know if she wanted
Speaker 1: me to see her name, she couldn't, though usually they say,
Speaker 1: don't say. I mean, that's a pretty common name, so
Speaker 1: it's fine. But yeah, I'm sorry about that situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure her parents will find this episode of the podcast,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I don't hope they do. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know your parents are spying on you. I
Speaker 1: think probably on a deeper level than you even know.
Speaker 1: Like you don't just find ship like they're looking for ship.
Speaker 1: They're they're looking at your phone. They're tracking your phone
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's bad. Uh gosh. Well, and it's
Speaker 1: already putting you. Do you see when you wrote in
Speaker 1: the email, it's already putting you in this position where like,
Speaker 1: I've only slept with two guys ship. If you slept
Speaker 1: with fifty guys, I don't give a fuck. If you
Speaker 1: are doing what you are doing with your body and
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable and confident and happy and it's consensual
Speaker 1: and no one's getting hurt, I don't give the ship
Speaker 1: how many people you're sleeping with. Yeah, you're a groom
Speaker 1: that is fucking controlling and I'm so sorry this is
Speaker 1: happening to you. I I don't I don't know where
Speaker 1: this is coming from. Where because when my parents, my mom,
Speaker 1: she didn't call me a whore. Good god, I can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I hate to say that some
Speaker 1: one has bad parents, but you have bad parents. You
Speaker 1: can't choose your parents. And sometimes your parents are assholes.
Speaker 1: There's sometimes kids are asked they're fucking any acts. I mean,
Speaker 1: like if they're emotionally and physically abusive, Like there's just
Speaker 1: no there's no excuse for that kind of behavior. And
Speaker 1: the fact like that all your like your siblings are
Speaker 1: starting to get in on it. They're turning uh, they're
Speaker 1: turning people against you. Also, you're like, I'm not the
Speaker 1: most attractive person. I saw your parture. You're very pretty,
Speaker 1: and stop thinking, like stopping Yeah that it's already it's
Speaker 1: already taking a toll on yourself esteem the way your
Speaker 1: family is putting all the shame on you. And I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry that's sucking happening. But you're not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 1: They are all in the wrong. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the root of this is because I don't know your parents.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have. I don't know what
Speaker 1: their deal is, but I know when my mom reacted
Speaker 1: negatively to me having sex, she freaked out and didn't
Speaker 1: talk to me. She didn't go this far. Good God,
Speaker 1: I would have not. I would have not been in
Speaker 1: her life had she done that. Um. But it turned
Speaker 1: out that she was afraid for me because when she
Speaker 1: was my age she had gotten sexually assaulted and stuff.
Speaker 1: So but that didn't come out until years later. I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I could have told me that a while back, and
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't have felt so shitty. It's hard when
Speaker 1: it's your parents because they're the people who raise you.
Speaker 1: They're the people you were, you were supposed to trust,
Speaker 1: but they're shitty people towards you, and there's no reason
Speaker 1: for them to be and well, and you also you
Speaker 1: also look like just so young and so innocent, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of I think it's this like weird control
Speaker 1: manipulation tactic that they're using on you. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: also see that you're from Michigan. My best friend is
Speaker 1: from Michigan and he's gay and not I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like blanket statement everybody in Michigan, but I'm guessing your
Speaker 1: family is probably pretty religious. And you know, I've definitely
Speaker 1: heard some some weird things said about sex and sexuality
Speaker 1: in Michigan. Yeah, and I was there. I mean there's
Speaker 1: never been just different different places have different things going on. Um,
Speaker 1: And so I know you already said what you need
Speaker 1: to do is get out, and that's a hundred percent
Speaker 1: any answer. Like, I feel like when parents are so
Speaker 1: deep into a it's really really hard to turn that
Speaker 1: thought around, especially when you're living under the same roof
Speaker 1: as UM. Maybe you can distance yourself and then talk
Speaker 1: about it later, because it's very hard. You never you
Speaker 1: never want to be like, don't talk to your parents.
Speaker 1: That's a very very hard decision to make. But if
Speaker 1: you wanted to make that decision, I wouldn't be like,
Speaker 1: what that's nuts like, because that's that's horrible, that's fucking awful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not I mean, I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of prices of apartments are going for for rental in Michigan,
Speaker 1: but look on Craig's list. Find some, you know, places
Speaker 1: with roommates where you don't have to sign the lease
Speaker 1: because you're not you're you're not financially stable enough to
Speaker 1: have your own lease, I'm guessing, but you can definitely
Speaker 1: move in with some some nice girls your age who
Speaker 1: maybe have like a three bedroom apartment in Michigan. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing it can. It's not that expensive. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: need to get out as soon as possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would even suggest like taking a semester off from
Speaker 1: school to get physically fit, I mean to get financially fit,
Speaker 1: which I would never ever reckon mind, but this is
Speaker 1: a very toxic, very very bad environment to be it,
Speaker 1: I know, and it's every it seems to be every
Speaker 1: member of your fucking family. They don't trust you to
Speaker 1: take out your brother's dog because they think you're just
Speaker 1: gonna funk a bunch of people in their house. Fuck
Speaker 1: you mom and dad in quotes. And maybe if you're
Speaker 1: if you're seeing this guy, maybe you can keep kind
Speaker 1: of like most like the condoms and stuff at his
Speaker 1: house just because like your parents are looking through your ship.
Speaker 1: And then also maybe get like a little a little
Speaker 1: like lock box or safe or something with like a
Speaker 1: padlock or a master lock with a key, and just
Speaker 1: like that's your that's your ship, and like, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1: People have to respect your privacy. But on the flip side,
Speaker 1: like you're living under their roof. So at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I mean, unless they hit, you can't
Speaker 1: really call the police on them, but if they do,
Speaker 1: you certainly can. I mean it's like I can't take
Speaker 1: living with a shitty roommate, which I only have once
Speaker 1: for like a summer years and years ago. I couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine living in a household with the two people who
Speaker 1: raised me and them constantly giving me ship and I
Speaker 1: have to walk on eggshells every second of the day.
Speaker 1: That would cause me to spiral into a neurosis. So
Speaker 1: I do think that prioritizing you getting out of that
Speaker 1: house is a great idea. Yeah, you gotta get yourself
Speaker 1: out of an unsafe situation. And you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, a semester is not going to
Speaker 1: like make or break your life or your career whatever
Speaker 1: it is you're trying to do, Like this is this
Speaker 1: is level ten unhealthy um And I mean yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's good to kind of start taking a look at
Speaker 1: the price of rent uh in your area, so you
Speaker 1: can have this like actual number goal in your head.
Speaker 1: What do I need to be able to provide for
Speaker 1: a roommate per per month, because I think you can
Speaker 1: probably do it if you've been saving up a decent
Speaker 1: amount of money, uh, not too quickly. And also you
Speaker 1: can also take out some like more loans with like
Speaker 1: low interest rates so that the pressure of paying for
Speaker 1: college isn't so immediate. It like anything you can do
Speaker 1: to get out of it, because you need to be
Speaker 1: on your own. You're certainly old enough. And uh again,
Speaker 1: you live in an area that I'm guessing it is
Speaker 1: pretty low cost, so you might be able to swing
Speaker 1: this because like if you I was like, if you
Speaker 1: live in New York City, your fea, But in Michigan,
Speaker 1: I see, hope there's a better chance. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: bet you can probably get a place for like four
Speaker 1: hundred a month, like a room. What the I've never
Speaker 1: heard of a parent going that, both parents, the whole
Speaker 1: fucking family. It's unsafe for you, and you're someone who
Speaker 1: already has social anxiety, and this is not how social anxiety.
Speaker 1: I understand that it might not be directly from them,
Speaker 1: but it would make sense if it is. That would
Speaker 1: make me not sleep at night. Yeah, and also take
Speaker 1: a good heart. Look in the mirror. You're very pretty
Speaker 1: and even if you weren't. It doesn't matter what you are,
Speaker 1: you do what you want to do. Girl. Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: there's nothing another upper of an email. This one's gonna
Speaker 1: even be. This one's probably one of the worst subjects
Speaker 1: I've ever read any email. This one kept me up.
Speaker 1: Best friend was kidnapped where and murdered two weeks ago?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and this one. Uh so, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if they wanted to read it on air, but
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something important related to this,
Speaker 1: so I want to read it. Hey, Karen and Christina,
Speaker 1: a couple of my roommates slash best friends and I
Speaker 1: attended your show in Columbus and have been listeners for
Speaker 1: some time now. Feminism has always been a cause that's
Speaker 1: close to our hearts, and we think your podcast brings
Speaker 1: to light to a lot of unspoken issues in a
Speaker 1: great way. I know you hear a lot of cases
Speaker 1: of rape, but these past two weeks I felt like
Speaker 1: something out of a nightmare. While we are aware of
Speaker 1: the issues of rape, we have never dealt with it
Speaker 1: so close to home. You may have heard about this story,
Speaker 1: but here it is from our point of view. Two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, our best friend and roommate Reagan Tolkes was
Speaker 1: walking to her car from where she worked at a
Speaker 1: bar restaurant. The walk was less than a block on
Speaker 1: a decently lit stream, and it was PM on a
Speaker 1: Wednesday night. Ironically, at the same moment that the rest
Speaker 1: of us were at home watching the People versus O. J. Simpson,
Speaker 1: and Reagan was being kidnapped, robbed, raped and murdered. We
Speaker 1: aren't sure of the exact details, but here's what we
Speaker 1: do know. Uh, the perpetrator. I'm not gonna say his name,
Speaker 1: just because I don't know if he was officially accused
Speaker 1: of this, and you know, we don't need to get sued.
Speaker 1: Approached Reagan, whether before she got into her car, as
Speaker 1: she got in her car, or forcing himself into her car,
Speaker 1: likely with a gun to her head. He forced her
Speaker 1: to drive to an a T M and withdraw sixty dollars.
Speaker 1: Sixty dollars was enough excuse for him to take our
Speaker 1: best friend's life. He then drove her about twenty minutes
Speaker 1: south to a gross city park, where he raped her
Speaker 1: and then shot her twice in the head. Then he
Speaker 1: dumped her nude body by the entrance of the park,
Speaker 1: where she was found around one pm. The next day.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets even worse. The man who did
Speaker 1: this had gotten out of prison for kidnapping and rape
Speaker 1: three months before he attacked Reagan, and his previous conviction
Speaker 1: he had kidnapped, robbed, and raped a woman at knife
Speaker 1: point in front of her two year old child. He
Speaker 1: was convicted for attempted rape and kidnapping and received a
Speaker 1: sentence of six years for each. Six years for either
Speaker 1: crime is ridiculous, but what makes it worse is that
Speaker 1: the prosecutor and judge both recommended that those sentences be
Speaker 1: served concurrently, as in at the same time, so he
Speaker 1: was in prison for six years instead of twelve. If
Speaker 1: sentences had been longer as they should be winning rape
Speaker 1: someone in front of their child, that's her words, or
Speaker 1: had they not been served concurrently, he would still be
Speaker 1: in prison and Reagan would still be alive. It is
Speaker 1: insulting to society to women into his previous victims, that
Speaker 1: he was given the freedom to hurt another human being.
Speaker 1: This has almost been the worst part of losing Reagan.
Speaker 1: That she's gone is incredibly difficult, but that she was
Speaker 1: failed by laws that are supposed to protect her and
Speaker 1: prevent this is unbearable. The Reagan we know was bubbly,
Speaker 1: full spirited, dramatic, excited about life and could light up
Speaker 1: a room. She was genuine and never boring. Uh She
Speaker 1: was going to graduate school graduate this spring turned twenty two,
Speaker 1: moved to a new city, and traveled to Thailand. It
Speaker 1: seems impossible that the same Reagan was stripped, nude, executed
Speaker 1: and dumped like a rag doll onto the cold ground
Speaker 1: for the whole world to see. For the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: we have been imagining her last hours in our heads
Speaker 1: and what she must have been thinking and feeling, and
Speaker 1: it is just unfathomable. She did not deserve this, No
Speaker 1: one does. A trial date hasn't been set, but they
Speaker 1: are trying to connect him to other robberies and assaults
Speaker 1: in the area. Her parents have vowed to address the
Speaker 1: sentencing laws and that this will never happen again to
Speaker 1: another young woman, and we could not be more on board.
Speaker 1: Her death was preventable and unacceptable. Some people get more
Speaker 1: time for selling marijuana than they do for rape. With
Speaker 1: all this in mind, thank you for devoting your careers
Speaker 1: to bringing women's issues of rape and inequality to light.
Speaker 1: Reagan's story will be repeated, maybe not as brutally, but
Speaker 1: so without consequences unless something changes and how we think
Speaker 1: about women and rape. We have hundreds of questions about
Speaker 1: her murder that will never get answered, but we'll be
Speaker 1: spending the rest of our lives trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that no one else has to feel this pain. Also,
Speaker 1: thanks for making us laugh every Friday, because we definitely
Speaker 1: need it. Love you guys, Madison Stuff, Kirsten and Ronnie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Okay, so obviously this
Speaker 1: is sex. I spent all night, especially because my my
Speaker 1: boyfriend is uh, you know from Columbus a uh, so
Speaker 1: I went. I read all the news articles that went
Speaker 1: along with this. It's horrible and you're absolutely right about
Speaker 1: these laws, and it's we have an overcrowded prison system.
Speaker 1: We have you know, lawyers fighting for both sidesship. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know whatever your your your job is, you gotta
Speaker 1: do it and and you have you have the right
Speaker 1: to have a lawyer. Um. But what I want to
Speaker 1: talk more about than with the law, because the law,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a long process and we all have
Speaker 1: to just keep talking and fighting that fight and voting
Speaker 1: in your local actions. But this is more about personal safety.
Speaker 1: So we've talked you talked before about personal safety, about
Speaker 1: not nickeling and diming your safety. Um, so of course
Speaker 1: you know she did everything right. And like if someone
Speaker 1: accosts you with a with a weapon obvious and tells
Speaker 1: you to get money, obviously you do it. If you're
Speaker 1: already at the A T M with car things whatever,
Speaker 1: if someone is trying to car jack you're getting your car,
Speaker 1: you need to do whatever you can do to not
Speaker 1: get in the car with the person. Once you yes,
Speaker 1: once you get in the car, you're as good as said.
Speaker 1: And I know this is this is a talk my
Speaker 1: mom had with me. God, just time after time. I
Speaker 1: was like, God, defies the fucking best mom in the world.
Speaker 1: She really is. She really preps you for any I
Speaker 1: mean she she she had she prepped me to I
Speaker 1: mean when I was like twelve, to know how to
Speaker 1: how to what to do if I was if someone
Speaker 1: got in a car with me with Have you ever
Speaker 1: had anybody try to get you in their car or
Speaker 1: somebody trying to get in yours? I have, I've had
Speaker 1: why never, I've never owned a car. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: but I have When I was walking home from school
Speaker 1: one day a guy did try to get me to
Speaker 1: get in his car or like honckey, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, I was like, I mean, it wasn't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even think about it. I don't think about
Speaker 1: it as an incident because I was like, that guy
Speaker 1: is trying to jerk off on my face. I'm twelve,
Speaker 1: I know this, Like wow, Like I just would have
Speaker 1: been like he just wants to be my friend. No.
Speaker 1: I mean I've just been very old since I was
Speaker 1: very young. So it's like these things are like just
Speaker 1: they were they were just not yes for me. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So you need to do what whatever you
Speaker 1: can do. Not get in the car, uh, if you're
Speaker 1: in the car, if you if you if whatever, if
Speaker 1: the person slips in, if you're already in the car,
Speaker 1: if you're in the car and you can't get out
Speaker 1: of the car, drive in a section like if you
Speaker 1: know your town or whatever, Drive in the direction where
Speaker 1: you're going to has the most people and the most
Speaker 1: other vehicles. If you're driving the car. If well she was,
Speaker 1: she was driving because he forced her to drive to
Speaker 1: her A T M. If it's if you're already at
Speaker 1: the a t M. Just give the fucking money. Give
Speaker 1: the money, no matter what money, no matter if you
Speaker 1: don't have any money. No money is worth the value
Speaker 1: of your life. Also, I want to there is an
Speaker 1: urban myth that goes around that says, if you are
Speaker 1: being held up at an a t M, you can
Speaker 1: put in your pin number backwards and that alerts the police.
Speaker 1: F y, I that is a not true. I didn't do.
Speaker 1: Not do that. You won't get the money, and the
Speaker 1: cops won't come. You'll be doubly screwed. Do not do that.
Speaker 1: Money is not worth anything. Put your fucking pen, give
Speaker 1: the person whatever they want, doesn't matter. You can get
Speaker 1: your bank. Also, I think we'll back you up. Doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: of course if you're in the car, though, So drive
Speaker 1: through the most like crowded area that you can, wherever
Speaker 1: there's going to be the most people. Don't go down
Speaker 1: these back roads. You know, you can play downb whatever
Speaker 1: uh and then try to get in a mild car
Speaker 1: accident like rear end, rear end the driver in front
Speaker 1: of you. It doesn't matter, rear end them not. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking like drive into a fucking track. You
Speaker 1: have to drive into another car with other people in it,
Speaker 1: and not full force so that you're gonna fucking hurt them,
Speaker 1: but so that you're gonna damage their car so that
Speaker 1: they have to stop and they have to help you.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that you can do. Another thing you
Speaker 1: do is you can if you're not on like a highway,
Speaker 1: I mean, try to go to the to the side
Speaker 1: with like if there's a side with grass, even if
Speaker 1: it's like a larger road, and literally if you're not,
Speaker 1: just get your car to the side where you can
Speaker 1: be near the road and get and literally roll out
Speaker 1: of the car. I mean you can't do this if
Speaker 1: you're doing sixty but on a small like a small road. Again,
Speaker 1: you have to be around people so that the person
Speaker 1: just can't come out and shoot you. But like you
Speaker 1: need to get out. You have to get out of
Speaker 1: the car, and you have to say in an area
Speaker 1: where God, I never would ever think about that ship.
Speaker 1: I think about this stuff all the time. My my
Speaker 1: life is basically me thinking out of how to attack
Speaker 1: terrorists on planes, how to get out of moving vehicles,
Speaker 1: how to fight murderers coming into my home. Like I
Speaker 1: spent like an obsessive amount of time thinking about this
Speaker 1: but that's what, Uh just we don't talk about safety enough,
Speaker 1: like we're too busy, like given karate classes to like
Speaker 1: you know, twins and like that's all well and good
Speaker 1: in it. It's good. How do you know, use a
Speaker 1: weapon and take however, for sure? And I also think
Speaker 1: I also am planning on going to a gun range
Speaker 1: and learning how to use a gun because guns aren't
Speaker 1: going away and I might as well know how to
Speaker 1: fucking use Oh yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to
Speaker 1: know how to shoot a gun, just for if I
Speaker 1: was ever in a situation where a gun left somebody
Speaker 1: else's hand, I knew what the fun to do with. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's just good to know how to do things like, well,
Speaker 1: it's good to not be I'm afraid of guns. Like
Speaker 1: if there's a gun in the road, I need two
Speaker 1: friends friends parents house, and he got her dad had
Speaker 1: a gun, and I like freak me out. I almost
Speaker 1: was like shaking, like I don't know why, And that
Speaker 1: was me. That's when I realized, like I need to
Speaker 1: be comfortable and know how to use one so that
Speaker 1: they don't scare me and I can utilize it too
Speaker 1: to my defense if I had to, right, Yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm so sorry that fucking happening your friends. No,
Speaker 1: this is horrible. And I think the I think about
Speaker 1: these things all the time, murders and right, and it's like, what,
Speaker 1: like what it makes me feel like life is meaning this?
Speaker 1: But if there's anything that I can take out of
Speaker 1: these situations, it's that it's to talk about them and
Speaker 1: then learn and to learn and to be like, wow,
Speaker 1: these are things that really need to be thinking about.
Speaker 1: How can this girl's life not have been lost completely
Speaker 1: in vain? Oh dude, when I was, man, I've done
Speaker 1: some dumb show. I've gotten Actually, now you just remind
Speaker 1: me that time I got kidnaped by that clip promoter
Speaker 1: first day out of New York. Oh. And I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it goes without saying Christina, don't I know, don't
Speaker 1: get into card stranger. Yeah, you would think I would
Speaker 1: know that, But nineteen year old Christino was like, he's
Speaker 1: gonna take me. Yeah, we're just gonna go to his
Speaker 1: house and seeing a karaoke song. True story, and yes
Speaker 1: we did. But he also forced us and he blocked
Speaker 1: the door and I was like, we're gonna die never mind,
Speaker 1: and didn't. But good god, I that was such I
Speaker 1: look back and I'm like, God, damn it, Christina. But
Speaker 1: instead of like getting down on yourself, you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I should have done. And these are
Speaker 1: all the options if should that ever happen again, Let's
Speaker 1: keep those in mind. Because the fight or flight reflects
Speaker 1: I would imagine you don't have a lot of time
Speaker 1: to think. So if you have these options in your
Speaker 1: head before the situation should arise, you're gonna be very prepared, right, absolutely, Yeah, damn.
Speaker 1: Just there are things like people are like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't want to think about that, Well, think about it,
Speaker 1: because you don't want to start these start in the
Speaker 1: thinking process when it's happening to you. Funk this ship man,
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, what the fuck? Well, everything is so
Speaker 1: negative and gross, I mean all the time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the funk? That's like, my mean, the main thought
Speaker 1: that I have tell the people that you love you
Speaker 1: love them guys. Um, this episode is really fun. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to introduce these two guys. One of them
Speaker 1: is a stand up comedian, writer, filmmaker. She wrote at
Speaker 1: the Daily Show with John Stewart for a long time.
Speaker 1: She has a stand up special alt called American Hunt.
Speaker 1: The other woman is a stand up comedian writer works
Speaker 1: with Lady Parts Justice. Were so excited to welcome these
Speaker 1: women onto the podcast. Ladies and gentlemen give it up
Speaker 1: for Jenna Friedman and Leah Vanamys, tim kids go to
Speaker 1: bad Jess wanna glow up that just every day? All right,
Speaker 1: we are here with Jenna Freeman and Leabanama hate ladies,
Speaker 1: How are you okay? Do you hate when people call
Speaker 1: me a lady? Yeah, I'll come to it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm a woman. I don't really care either. I just
Speaker 1: don't really get referred to as the guys. We fucked
Speaker 1: girls a lot, so I'm like, I'm just at this point,
Speaker 1: I just gonna put on my gravestone. Humans. Yeah, people
Speaker 1: with hearts, guys, we girls, holes and holes. Yeah, hearts
Speaker 1: and holes. That's all we are. We're so excited to
Speaker 1: have you both on. You guys have a very um
Speaker 1: unique knowledge that we want to talk about of like
Speaker 1: vagina laws and that would be more. Leah Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a wild West. What is your expertise? I mean
Speaker 1: other than that, I'm thirty four. Yeah, I've dated like
Speaker 1: everyone around the zodiac. I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 1: my watch, my expertise trying to like walk the line
Speaker 1: between comedy and politics and get people to investigate Trump's
Speaker 1: ties to Russia. Oh that's good. This is not happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just we're keeping like, oh, hey, this
Speaker 1: is I think it is happening. His tax returns are
Speaker 1: basically in Russian. He has been he is a kept woman,
Speaker 1: he is the Milannia. He is Russia's Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: he actually is getting fucked. Do you watch last week tonight?
Speaker 1: I do not enough. I'll see it the next day.
Speaker 1: I don't really watch anything, which is bad if you're
Speaker 1: like a TV writer and you just don't watch anything.
Speaker 1: But um, I did just see on a total side note,
Speaker 1: chewing Gum on Netflix, which is awesome, so fucking good
Speaker 1: flee Bag. So yeah, they're both straight to cameras. They're
Speaker 1: British shows. Uh boy is similar. Yeah, it's just they
Speaker 1: do a really good job over there across the pond
Speaker 1: at just showing women with like nuance and humor in
Speaker 1: like a real grounded way that's like funny that we
Speaker 1: just haven't really tapped here enough. They're both they're similar
Speaker 1: that they both use straight to camera, um, but there's
Speaker 1: episodes like get to the point. Each episode is really
Speaker 1: like has nice steaks. How like writers talk I guess
Speaker 1: about comedy, but it's just funny basically, Like how do
Speaker 1: you think then in America? How what's the main problem
Speaker 1: and how women are portrayed? It's not even women, it's
Speaker 1: just comedy in general. It's changing obviously because it's like
Speaker 1: the golden age of TV and you have shows like
Speaker 1: Atlanta you know that are really great. But you but
Speaker 1: I think like a lot of times when the networks
Speaker 1: get involved, there's just a lot of notes and there's
Speaker 1: a lot more money and so there are a lot
Speaker 1: more interests that you have to be held accountable too.
Speaker 1: So it's just harder to make art and things personal
Speaker 1: and take risk. And you notice what networks like Netflix
Speaker 1: where they don't they don't answer to advertisers, like it's
Speaker 1: so much the subjects that are being talked about in
Speaker 1: the language is just so much freer there, and you
Speaker 1: really it does make a difference. I think when you
Speaker 1: watch their original programming of like, oh, you weren't holding
Speaker 1: back at all. You weren't, but you also weren't like
Speaker 1: inundating as with like funck Horpe, like just because you
Speaker 1: could say it, so that was that's nice to The
Speaker 1: thing I like about both of those shows specifically too,
Speaker 1: is like had their portrayal of women versus men. They
Speaker 1: do kind of flip the script and show men in
Speaker 1: this like vulnerable, sensitive way that I feel like we
Speaker 1: would do a disservice to women and men to show
Speaker 1: more of that here. Yeah. I think I was watching
Speaker 1: Girls this season. I don't know if you guys watch that,
Speaker 1: but the way their male characters are incredible and the
Speaker 1: way they write, they're like great writers for male characters,
Speaker 1: Like they're really they really dig into a man's psyche
Speaker 1: and we see the type of man that we don't
Speaker 1: normally get, that doesn't normally getting. It's weird that we
Speaker 1: act like men are not fragile, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: more more sensitive between men and women, they are way
Speaker 1: more sensitive. I agree, And when men aren't showing it
Speaker 1: sensitive and I think men have to act like they're
Speaker 1: not sensitive and then they save it all up and
Speaker 1: then it comes toxic. Do you want to talk about
Speaker 1: episode three? That's the only episode I've seen this season. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 1: a lot of people contacted us about it. I meant
Speaker 1: to talk about it last week and we didn't because
Speaker 1: we had a lot of other stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: This Girls episode three, Yeah, episode three, So this is
Speaker 1: a spoiler alert. Guys. We don't do trigger warnings, but
Speaker 1: definitely spoiler if I ruined a show for them or
Speaker 1: they wrote in a show for me. Trigger warn't warning
Speaker 1: versus trigger spoiler alert versus trigger warning. Those are two
Speaker 1: separate things. Oh, yeah, you guys do trigger when we
Speaker 1: do not. We don't do do spoiler. Yes, okay, because
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin Girls. They weren't on a
Speaker 1: TV in your day. Yes, exactly. You can hang in
Speaker 1: there through a conversation. I want to write something on
Speaker 1: I want to write something down for you guys. Who
Speaker 1: I think the male in the episode is without saying
Speaker 1: it out loud, Oh, I think that was obvious. What wait,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, like who the characters based on.
Speaker 1: I think the character is based on someone pretty obvious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the Yeah, of course, author Upsite Fight Club. I
Speaker 1: mean the agularity of him. I thought I was going
Speaker 1: to say obvious. And even the text on the covers
Speaker 1: of his books looks like looks like a book covers
Speaker 1: all looked like his books. So she had she met
Speaker 1: with But has he had like sex, like a sexual
Speaker 1: harassment allegations? I don't know. I mean, I'm familiar with
Speaker 1: his work and if you read his work, especially like Choke,
Speaker 1: I would not put it past him. Who did you
Speaker 1: think it was? It doesn't matter, but we can talk
Speaker 1: about after. It doesn't matter allegations dropped, talk about it later. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think I'm incorrect, but I mean,
Speaker 1: just to me, I do in this fight. I'm just
Speaker 1: being a little muck breaker. I do not want But
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything about about Chuck on al That's
Speaker 1: I was like. I was like, I never know Analek
Speaker 1: I had like Palin act. That's I don't know how
Speaker 1: to say it. I just said it real fast with
Speaker 1: the p and yeah, that's a problem with off. You
Speaker 1: just see it written and I'm like, how do you say?
Speaker 1: I just said, you know, what's interesting? I was sparked
Speaker 1: that episode did spark a conversation between my boyfriend and I.
Speaker 1: We would watch it together. I'm like, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: How A couple of days after that, I had a
Speaker 1: friend come up to me and talk about how she
Speaker 1: was raped by a person that I know in the
Speaker 1: comedy community, and she like described it and stuff, and
Speaker 1: and she was like, don't you know, don't tell people
Speaker 1: any specifics or my name or anybody's name, and that
Speaker 1: that's fine, and you want to protect that person who
Speaker 1: was had that horrible thing happened to them. But it's
Speaker 1: that I took a step back and thought about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's also kind of protecting the dude who
Speaker 1: the predator. It was just not always a man, uh
Speaker 1: from No, I wasn't even assuming it wasn't always a man.
Speaker 1: I actually I'm not that like PC. I just was
Speaker 1: assuming it was man and we can call them the predator.
Speaker 1: Yeah we can, we can, because you're right, but thanks
Speaker 1: for assuming. I'm like, gender, like, the gender doesn't not
Speaker 1: our out there now. It's usually sucking dudes anyway it
Speaker 1: was supposed to do. I think if it was a woman,
Speaker 1: you'd be like this lady sexually assaulting the fun this
Speaker 1: next lady. A lot of emails that we get from
Speaker 1: men who are raped by other they were raped by
Speaker 1: other men most of the time, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of times, you know, it's like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: anything like man man. Yeah, well women can ripe. Women
Speaker 1: can't have it all, you know, yeah can ripe. I'm
Speaker 1: not is that I don't. I don't do podcast because
Speaker 1: it's disarming and I don't know, say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't walk on eggshells here. And we're
Speaker 1: also not super PC either, and I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of our like you could get more by alleging someone's
Speaker 1: but we absolutely can. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: know anyone who says anything publicly. It's tricky. Um, women
Speaker 1: rape to okay, everybody in the piece of community and
Speaker 1: god can rape. We're just gonna do a sound bite
Speaker 1: of you doing that. That's where we used to about
Speaker 1: this episode. Cool. Um. Yeah, I had a conversation about
Speaker 1: that about episode three of Girls Too. And the thing
Speaker 1: that I loved about it was that kind of thing
Speaker 1: that you can't talk about, which is like the power
Speaker 1: dynamics between men and women, you know, especially in our
Speaker 1: industry or any industry. It is such a gray area
Speaker 1: and they always use the term gray area, but it's
Speaker 1: so real and it was so and then so a
Speaker 1: guy friend of mine was like, why, um, why do
Speaker 1: you think he whipped his dick out? At the end
Speaker 1: spoiler sorry whatever, just it'll save you thirty minutes. Um.
Speaker 1: And I was like, because he knew he could get
Speaker 1: away with it, because that's the whole thing. It's like not,
Speaker 1: I mean, they are they know what they can get
Speaker 1: away with and where the line is for them, and
Speaker 1: so it's like he knew she would touch his dick, right.
Speaker 1: So to catch everyone up, I know, Lea, You're like,
Speaker 1: I thought we were talking about like five years ago
Speaker 1: in my career and meeting something. He put his balls
Speaker 1: out on the desk. You're always like, what, I don't
Speaker 1: know what is that? So Lena Dunham's character on Girls Hannah,
Speaker 1: she writes an article about this author uh and how
Speaker 1: he when he goes on his book tours he basically
Speaker 1: ends up having sex with a lot of like undergrads
Speaker 1: uh and takes advantage of them through his power. And
Speaker 1: then the writer calls or contacts Lena and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to explain myself. Lena just goes to this
Speaker 1: guy's house, which maybe not alone, not a great height.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she goes to his house alone and he's
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Um. And then he really like uh, breaks
Speaker 1: open his heart to her and they get to know
Speaker 1: each other, and he asked certain questions and of course
Speaker 1: you see Lena's the wheels in her head turning and
Speaker 1: she's you know, we're like, oh, god, damn it. She's
Speaker 1: probably gonna's standing up for herself and her rights to
Speaker 1: right about this, and also half going, wait, you like
Speaker 1: I want to talk to me. That's pretty cool because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, this is still this
Speaker 1: author that she fucking loves, and she's all but that
Speaker 1: the moment that he's like, here have my signed Philip
Speaker 1: Roth book, I'm like, whose dick do I have to touch? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know it's weird because we just want me to
Speaker 1: touch it for that, okay, But also I am sexually
Speaker 1: attracted to powerful men totally and creeps. Most women are
Speaker 1: usually the same. I know, I'm joking kind of not really.
Speaker 1: I feel like you looked at me like I like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, no, creeps. Do you
Speaker 1: like creeps? Everybody likes creep? Right, I mean, I like,
Speaker 1: really like put people a kind of creeps. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're powers perfect. Yeah. The thing is is
Speaker 1: that I think that some creeps. This is a total
Speaker 1: side step people that may come off as creeps are
Speaker 1: people that I don't want, like somebody who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting. You know, I don't mean encouraging creeps. But
Speaker 1: people that like come off as sort of like dark
Speaker 1: and moody and different in the right way are often
Speaker 1: people that can handle strong women because they have their
Speaker 1: own thing going on. And then I feel like people
Speaker 1: are often like very like, oh is everything can't handle
Speaker 1: a woman with like a strong personality and a lot
Speaker 1: of opinions, and you just roll right over them and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, that was a fucking waste of my time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, But isn't it too like the men who
Speaker 1: are very much like women. There was a sketch on
Speaker 1: the God this one sketch on snl uh feminist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like the man the feminist pins or is like
Speaker 1: the creepiest douchebag creepy in like a shitty way that
Speaker 1: no one likes. Yeah, I have a joke when I
Speaker 1: love that. Whenever I asked who in the audience as
Speaker 1: a feminist to set up a joke that I do,
Speaker 1: there's always one dude who yells too loudly that he's
Speaker 1: a feminist and that's the guy you gotta watch out for.
Speaker 1: Everyone should be a feminist, but not that's if you're
Speaker 1: like too thirsty boys. Credit. Yeah. I've also noticed that,
Speaker 1: like there would be men who say they're like super
Speaker 1: liberal and open, and then they're the men that comics
Speaker 1: that like leave the room when a woman gets on stage,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then it's like the
Speaker 1: male comics that are just like being dudes. It actually
Speaker 1: sit and watch your set and they're like, I like
Speaker 1: that joke, and you're like, oh, the people not acting
Speaker 1: like they're you know, high mighty are the ones that
Speaker 1: the reasons that are to treat you like a regular person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it's it's cool that like that episode
Speaker 1: kind of showed power dynamics because these are like things
Speaker 1: that we don't talk about. And I felt really sad
Speaker 1: after the election because I was like, we were so
Speaker 1: close to kind of cracking these things, making work places
Speaker 1: easier for women to thrive, like having actual conversations about
Speaker 1: power and sexuality. And then when the coup happened, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I used to joke about how it was a non
Speaker 1: violent coupe, but people are being assassinated and I think
Speaker 1: part of the Democratic leadership on the total side note,
Speaker 1: and I should shut the funk up, but I think
Speaker 1: part of the reason people are afraid to really like
Speaker 1: proud Russia is because they play by different rules and
Speaker 1: they're really scary rules that were just not accustomed to.
Speaker 1: And so I don't I think why I was like,
Speaker 1: what was the Democratic leadership not stepping up and like
Speaker 1: against Russia? And I think cause they're like afraid they're
Speaker 1: gonna get assassinated. Not joking, I mean at this point,
Speaker 1: I would feel like that are conservatives that that which
Speaker 1: should be stepping up? You know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't take a hit how many years you have left.
Speaker 1: But I mean you could be a Republican and be like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: this is not fucking this is not what we do.
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like at this point it should
Speaker 1: be my partisan issue. It is, I mean, it should be.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I mean I want to do I
Speaker 1: do want to get because we're here and like the
Speaker 1: subject of your show, but I do want to get
Speaker 1: back to that power thing. But just on a side note,
Speaker 1: with the Russia stuff, it is this moment where we
Speaker 1: Americans are like, I think a lot more optimistic, in
Speaker 1: naive than other countries, just because we've had the luxury
Speaker 1: to be for you know, fifty years. But um, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting to see that our elected officials are the
Speaker 1: biggest cowards in the room. And it's like, what does
Speaker 1: it take to be a politician? It's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: want why do people go into politics? Maybe they want change,
Speaker 1: but they also want power. They want people to like them,
Speaker 1: and those are the qualities that make it easier for Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be too ranty, but you know,
Speaker 1: we have these checks and balances and we thought that
Speaker 1: there were things that would save guarded democracy, but they're
Speaker 1: actually just suggestions and you need people in power with
Speaker 1: backbones to adhere to them, and we're seeing that that's
Speaker 1: just not the case, and it's actually terrifying. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wish we had more Al Frankin's and I'm he that's
Speaker 1: the one thing that I'm glad with the old get
Speaker 1: to see him more. YEA, like for people doing all
Speaker 1: the work well, people speaking of politics a lot we couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just mentioned this in a in an interview. We did,
Speaker 1: but we were like a lot of times people listeners
Speaker 1: of this podcast will write in and be like, can
Speaker 1: you just not talk about politics? I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about politics. But I'm like, people are making rules
Speaker 1: about our bodies. Why I wish we didn't listen talk. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like I would love to not talk about it, but
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen until they're not trying some
Speaker 1: fucking hard to defund planned parenthood. And you have old
Speaker 1: white men who have never been thought why a woman
Speaker 1: would have a would terminate a pregnancy after six months,
Speaker 1: deciding on women's bodies. It's heartbreaks the rhetoric around it,
Speaker 1: especially for the after twenty weeks. Um. There they act
Speaker 1: like it's so and statistically, people having late term abortions
Speaker 1: are people where the baby is already passed or will
Speaker 1: immediately die when it's born. So this woman is in
Speaker 1: a horrible position. Um, it's very sad. And then they're
Speaker 1: making it even harder. It's and then she has to
Speaker 1: have a funeral for us. And now you have to
Speaker 1: and you have to hold your dead babies in your
Speaker 1: your dead baby in your arms after it's come out
Speaker 1: of you and you've given birth. It's just cruel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they act like it's a moral imperative. It's
Speaker 1: like you're being the most uncompassionate person. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: not pro life. It's not even pro womb because they're
Speaker 1: denying women who are pron in healthcare. It's just like
Speaker 1: anti women. That's like how we have to reframe it
Speaker 1: and anti using anti choice instead of pro life. A
Speaker 1: guy emailed us in point of that out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like, good point. I mean, I'm pro life.
Speaker 1: I believe people should have healthcare. That makes me pro life.
Speaker 1: So like, I agree, it's so much about the branding
Speaker 1: and the language. And we're also saying how not stupid
Speaker 1: people are, but how maybe people are so simple and
Speaker 1: we have to change length going to to reframe things
Speaker 1: so that people can understand things in a different way.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not anti Trump, I just don't think a
Speaker 1: crazy man maybe with neuro syphilis should be president. Agreed,
Speaker 1: See that sounds reasonable. But Brandy is a part of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a part of this podcast. The
Speaker 1: success of it was kind of like our attempt to
Speaker 1: rebrand feminism and you get funny and just be like
Speaker 1: it's not it's not so serious, Like we're serious about
Speaker 1: these issues, but like we also want to talk to
Speaker 1: everyone about them. We want to incorporate men into conversation.
Speaker 1: We don't know hate man. I mean sometimes I do,
Speaker 1: but that's like a side note. Uh. And it really
Speaker 1: is important to like brand. People don't think of branding
Speaker 1: in social issues. But it's just as important to sell
Speaker 1: feminism as it is to sell like a barrow of
Speaker 1: dove soap or something like. People realize that feminism is
Speaker 1: just a quality. Yeah, that's all. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: burn you to the same people are so terrified every
Speaker 1: night doing standard. People are terrified by the word feminism
Speaker 1: because it they don't really know what it means. I
Speaker 1: think that's changing though, and I did, like I I
Speaker 1: I feel like that Beyond s moment really brought it
Speaker 1: to the forefront in a kind of dangerous way too,
Speaker 1: because it's like branded feminism is like you know, the
Speaker 1: Dove ads, the lean in, that whole thing is a
Speaker 1: whole another like problem. But I I do think that
Speaker 1: feminism is and a zeitgeist. There might be another backlash
Speaker 1: as there was in the eighties. Well, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we're getting our backlash with our president. It's handmade's tale
Speaker 1: president quotations. Yeah, I feel like he's coming further and
Speaker 1: further off the rails. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: much longer this cann Yeah, President Pence might have a
Speaker 1: President pen then we're just gonna do. And one thing
Speaker 1: I started noticing the lawmakers are doing, like Pence in
Speaker 1: Ohio had introduced that crazy abortion bill to abortion bills.
Speaker 1: One was a case of Pence's Indiana. Oh, Indiana, Well
Speaker 1: we were we did Indianapolis, right, yeah, yeah, So that
Speaker 1: so it was I remember it was the one that
Speaker 1: Pence was the governor of and uh a while back,
Speaker 1: and there was too crazy abortion bills. One was like
Speaker 1: insane and the other one was a twenty week and
Speaker 1: the insane one didn't pass and everyone's like whoo, but
Speaker 1: the twenty week one or that was no, it's okay.
Speaker 1: And there are so many. There are so many. So
Speaker 1: when I was at the Daily Show, I think I
Speaker 1: had like forty two different abortion pitches because they were
Speaker 1: the laws were so like funny as horrible as they were.
Speaker 1: And the one we ended up doing a story about
Speaker 1: a fetus lawyer. In Alabama, there's a law that if
Speaker 1: you are a pregnant team and you want to get
Speaker 1: in a bobo and you you UM, and you don't
Speaker 1: apparental consent, you can go to a judge and get
Speaker 1: a judicial bypass, and the judge will say you're much
Speaker 1: sure enough to having a bobo. And I say a
Speaker 1: bobo because I'm just trying to destigmatize this medical procedure
Speaker 1: that you know, in the UK people don't even think
Speaker 1: about um anyway. Uh. And now the state of Alabama
Speaker 1: actually is allocating funds away from public defenders, which is
Speaker 1: like totally underfunded, towards guardian at items, which are fetus
Speaker 1: lawyers to actually defend fetuses from Team Wow. So your
Speaker 1: fetus can get a lawyer. So your fetus can get
Speaker 1: a lawyer, they'll put a pregnantin on trial. They just
Speaker 1: have to pay for the lawyer. These are all the
Speaker 1: jokes right themselves, you know, like, how do you know
Speaker 1: fetus is innocent? What about a fetus who eat like
Speaker 1: so much fun? And that actually happens? Um like one
Speaker 1: multi fetal pregnancies results in a fetus absorbing the other.
Speaker 1: I feel like that happened to me. And then you've
Speaker 1: just birth a super child and somebody with tailor and
Speaker 1: sick voices in my head is actually it's win and
Speaker 1: I ate and yeah, constantly hungry. That was like the
Speaker 1: funniest I've seen like on TV. Like that joke gets
Speaker 1: me every time somebody be like, hey, look at the
Speaker 1: back of my do you see like the teeth markers,
Speaker 1: like the tooth they have, like a tooth in my neck.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is opened my world a lot anyway.
Speaker 1: So I mean that law, but there have been so
Speaker 1: many like egregious fetal because they're they're trying to create
Speaker 1: like personhood lost, so they'll give like fetus like tax
Speaker 1: like tax like whatever, like Texas and status. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's all sorts of things that these just I
Speaker 1: don't know, like Republican men's obsession with like fetuses weird
Speaker 1: and weird because because it religious, it's not it's control, right,
Speaker 1: it's just something that they I mean, I think sam
Speaker 1: By Show had a really good segment a while ago
Speaker 1: just about like how they got like because like the
Speaker 1: Republican Party or what it was was like social conservatives
Speaker 1: and fiscal conservatives, and you get the physical conservatives or
Speaker 1: like libertarians and the social conservatis. Like I get somebody
Speaker 1: who's like babies, Like I don't want babies to die whatever,
Speaker 1: but like they married the two and they used kind
Speaker 1: of I mean, I can't do justice. It's a Samby segment.
Speaker 1: I we should whatever put on your work. She's incredible.
Speaker 1: But just like how they used this wasn't an issue
Speaker 1: before like the sixth season, and they made abortion become
Speaker 1: this weird like vote to vote against. Like that's that's
Speaker 1: why they called it pro life too, is because they're
Speaker 1: always ahead of us with the branding. But I feel
Speaker 1: like if because if people were if it was really
Speaker 1: about morals worry about any of that, they would people
Speaker 1: would pump money into birth control and sex education, sex
Speaker 1: education because it's proven too. When people have sex education,
Speaker 1: it goes down. And there against that too, so that's
Speaker 1: obviously not team. Pregnancy rates go down because they have
Speaker 1: access to facts and condoms and birth control. And actually
Speaker 1: I read somewhere and it's so funny to mean, I
Speaker 1: want to do this bit on it. But just like
Speaker 1: protesting abortion actually creates more abortions. It's like the like,
Speaker 1: the whole thing is so hypocritical. If you you know,
Speaker 1: if you're protesting at abortion clinics, like you're I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's just a whole I'll figure it out whatever. But
Speaker 1: it's it's just the hypocrisy, like no knows, no end um,
Speaker 1: and it's so much energy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like we're crazy about these things that shouldn't even
Speaker 1: be an issue. We got stuff, we gotta work having
Speaker 1: kids in our in America, and like kids weren't getting
Speaker 1: an education. That's like, can we if you're so fucking
Speaker 1: pro life, let's focus on that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It's so it's I mean this allection life or you know,
Speaker 1: anti choice, pro gun all that. Yeah, it's so it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't see how hypocritical they're being, and they must
Speaker 1: see it. And there's just another angle that I'm not grasping.
Speaker 1: Think you they I think it's just the brains. It's
Speaker 1: it kind of comes down to like lack of education
Speaker 1: and people just have like maybe because I was I
Speaker 1: thought about this a lot, you know, like what creates
Speaker 1: a conservative? And I do think it's like maybe like
Speaker 1: a type of brain of somebody who's just like less
Speaker 1: open minded or and how they get their information. Because
Speaker 1: my mom I was over saying at my apartment with
Speaker 1: my my dad a couple weeks ago because he had
Speaker 1: like a heart doctor's appointment, and I was talking to
Speaker 1: my parents about planning parenthood and my mom said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but don't they sell dead baby parts. I'm like, they
Speaker 1: give them away medical and I went through, I went
Speaker 1: profit edited, and they get the woman's consent if she
Speaker 1: wants to donate tissue. Exactly, I want to find ano
Speaker 1: for Alzheimer's right, which she had, well she has dementia,
Speaker 1: um but it's like she didn't get it. And then
Speaker 1: I explained it to her and she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're not so profiting off of it, right, exactly has
Speaker 1: to go somewhere. I mean people exactly, people are uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with this, but it's like anything after a medical siege,
Speaker 1: I mean has to be said, like, mom, you know
Speaker 1: how you're going to donate your brain to science after
Speaker 1: you die because you have all these health problems. You
Speaker 1: think it's like a university would go ham on your
Speaker 1: fucking brain researching it. Like that's it's a little it's
Speaker 1: something similar. They're getting the mother's consent to donate the
Speaker 1: fetal tispes. But also that resulted and a guy shooting
Speaker 1: up a clinic miss her because you know that planned
Speaker 1: parenthood video that was doctored or whatever was sent around
Speaker 1: and then I call him joo baby parts. I don't
Speaker 1: know what his name is. Well, people get in people's
Speaker 1: heads and they keep repeating this rhetoric and then they
Speaker 1: really think that people are killing like babies that are
Speaker 1: you know, full babies and then selling pieces of their
Speaker 1: body and then they obviously react emotionally. And people are
Speaker 1: that stupid, and that's why like the things that come
Speaker 1: out of Trump's mouth or like people should be held
Speaker 1: accountable for their words. It's hard because it's like we
Speaker 1: talk to we need to talk to each other. We
Speaker 1: need to reach across the quote unquote aisle and and
Speaker 1: reach out to people who are getting misinformation. But it's
Speaker 1: just it's hard. It's exhausting. It's like you know, when
Speaker 1: and how and who do you talk to? Like if
Speaker 1: somebody's unequivocally racist, how do you reach out to them?
Speaker 1: And should you? You You know? I mean I think that's
Speaker 1: like the that's how hopefully we will evolve if we
Speaker 1: can reach across the aisle and talk to people and
Speaker 1: be like, look like we do you want social justice?
Speaker 1: Do you want people to like be able to thrive
Speaker 1: and have autonomy and like clean water and clean air
Speaker 1: and freedom, Like, how how can we reach this portion
Speaker 1: of Americans who are you know, more conservative but remotely
Speaker 1: open minded. I think that's just going to be the
Speaker 1: struggle in the next couple of years, because all that
Speaker 1: ship is learned. You learn to be hateful. I think
Speaker 1: you learned by your parents, you learned by whoever is
Speaker 1: in front of you, and you learned by the examples
Speaker 1: that are set for you as a part. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they're being to them. They're not being hateful
Speaker 1: exactly us as like, you know, people who have lost
Speaker 1: our way and aren't like I guess ted like tied
Speaker 1: to Jesus's teachings were just so fucking ironic because what
Speaker 1: like Jesus would have been like a Jewish in refugee
Speaker 1: and I don't know, my wouldn't been allowed to be
Speaker 1: very Christian. And they're you know, the church right now
Speaker 1: is uh. You know they've gone to all the marches
Speaker 1: and it's about inclusion and compassion, and you know that
Speaker 1: they don't read the New Testament in this very angry,
Speaker 1: hateful way because that's not what Jesus was saying. Jesus
Speaker 1: seemed like a pretty cold, very yeah, Jesus smoked that
Speaker 1: was he though, like, okay, so here's my thing. Was
Speaker 1: Jesus after this election has fundamentally changed like how I
Speaker 1: view human history and like, in like two thousand years
Speaker 1: from now, are people going to think like Trump as
Speaker 1: a savior because like the winners write the history books.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what if Jesus and this is like a
Speaker 1: just a thought. Sure, don't get mad. Jesus was just
Speaker 1: some like foot fetishist narcissists who just like loved massaging
Speaker 1: people's feet. Yeah, and like because like honestly, if you
Speaker 1: care about poor people, like you're gonna like like touch,
Speaker 1: like if you want to help people, like you're going
Speaker 1: to touch parts of their body they can't reach, like
Speaker 1: not necessarily their feet. Sorry, I'm just well, we are
Speaker 1: king out of it. I think at the time, like
Speaker 1: one if Jesus just had a bottle of tile al
Speaker 1: and he like healed people, but they were like this
Speaker 1: is magic. Yeah, But I mean regardless of I mean,
Speaker 1: like on the other side of it, it's during this
Speaker 1: period of time when there was like such a class
Speaker 1: system and people You're totally right said everybody is basically
Speaker 1: what he said was everybody deserves treat other people as
Speaker 1: he would like to be treated, which at the time
Speaker 1: was huge. So I mean, you are even if you
Speaker 1: don't are right. He was sealing people or like, and
Speaker 1: his best friend was a hooker, which has been so well.
Speaker 1: He was you know, he's hanging out with a woman
Speaker 1: as his like you know, major consulagiary. Um, and they've
Speaker 1: somehow lost her book of the Bible. But um, that
Speaker 1: at the time was a revolutionary act and it's like
Speaker 1: the opposite of the way Christians are behaving in then
Speaker 1: there are some like I did a planned parent of
Speaker 1: benefit and there was like a Catholic pretty soon came
Speaker 1: up after him. It was like really like nice and
Speaker 1: it was really cool that there's like Catholics for Choice
Speaker 1: nuns on the bus. Remember those nuns on the bus
Speaker 1: were like, Hey, we're just here to feed the poor.
Speaker 1: That rules. Yes, somebody emailed us that were they said
Speaker 1: that they are they are Catholic and they are part
Speaker 1: of the Catholics for for Catholics that are pro choice.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's fucking awesome. I love we need more
Speaker 1: of that. It's a group called Faithful America and um,
Speaker 1: they I think it's well they're predominantly Christian, but they
Speaker 1: obviously I think part of any religion is recognizing other
Speaker 1: people's religions is equally important. And they're talking about how,
Speaker 1: you know, standing out against particularly the Muslim ban, and
Speaker 1: how churches are supposed to be sanctuaries, and they're doing
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, that's great to see. I'm going to
Speaker 1: start Jews against CUS that's the one. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm just like against CUSE. I think it's very solid.
Speaker 1: Also against CUS. Nless the military wants to step up
Speaker 1: right now, I um, careful what you wish for? And yeah,
Speaker 1: I take that back, I um, I was kidding. I uh.
Speaker 1: Back to what we're saying earlier with the pro choice
Speaker 1: I think that essentially at the bottom of it, it's
Speaker 1: it's just basically people saying, like what it is, it's
Speaker 1: hard as people saying like women can't make decisions for themselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it feels like that it's but
Speaker 1: then you're not allowed to take birth Men don't want
Speaker 1: to take birth control. We can't have birth control because
Speaker 1: the ones that did were like it made me two emotional.
Speaker 1: You I have threatened people's lives when I was on
Speaker 1: birth control because it made me nuts, but I kept like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: the department out of our lives, except yeah, it's so
Speaker 1: it's that's essentially what Who is that man who recently
Speaker 1: said that women are just hosts who like fella? That sucks? Now,
Speaker 1: you do a lot of work with Lady Parts Justice right,
Speaker 1: and Liz one stid for your listeners, she was on
Speaker 1: a while ago. I know, what do you how do
Speaker 1: you like? What kind of work do you do on
Speaker 1: the day a day? And specifically I'm interested in, like
Speaker 1: how your organization handless women, especially who are anti choice,
Speaker 1: And is your goal to try to just get funding?
Speaker 1: Is it to get safety? Is it to get the
Speaker 1: word out there that people shouldn't have decisions about their
Speaker 1: own bodies? Um? Originally it was like we were doing
Speaker 1: comedy sketches to uh find funding, ways to let people
Speaker 1: know what kind of laws were happening or bills that
Speaker 1: we're trying to be put out in different states. And
Speaker 1: now I think that um and we'll go state to state,
Speaker 1: were doing comedy shows and talking about and that's the
Speaker 1: part that I'm involved with. And now I think Lady
Speaker 1: Parts Justice League is starting to go to clinics because
Speaker 1: you know, there's Planned Parenthood and they're awesome, and then
Speaker 1: there's also all the other Title ten clinics that are
Speaker 1: independent clinics to do the same things. Um. But so
Speaker 1: they need you know, help and recognition. Um. So Lead
Speaker 1: Parts Justice League is starting to go to those clinics
Speaker 1: and seeing what they need helping out because you know,
Speaker 1: the doctors are on their fire and you know they
Speaker 1: have people standing outside and you know states with all
Speaker 1: the trap laws, like they'll change it to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can only be open if you're you know, grass
Speaker 1: is a quarter of an inch long, and you have
Speaker 1: like seven places for ambulances even though it's no ambulances.
Speaker 1: And so they're traveling helping clinics. That's amazing because like
Speaker 1: we don't know. Like when I first learned about trap
Speaker 1: laws when we had a meeting with Ashley Gray with
Speaker 1: Lady Parts Justice, I'm like, what if she told me
Speaker 1: the grass law? And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: And I've been like my eyes have been open, especially
Speaker 1: the past two years of how lawmakers are tricking us
Speaker 1: and they're disguising things as this will protect you and
Speaker 1: now but now I feel like I don't trust anybody's
Speaker 1: fighting can't like they don't Paul Ryan doesn't want cameras
Speaker 1: like on the floor of crazy. Like so then is so,
Speaker 1: I mean it's the beginning of control. Yeah, it's how
Speaker 1: do we fix more women list and getting more women
Speaker 1: and getting more progressive in politics and voting. That's a
Speaker 1: funniest thing. Like I'm like, donate March, but fucking vote, guys,
Speaker 1: and vote in the election, local vote, national, we have
Speaker 1: to vote. And Lady Parks just us voted. Oh yes.
Speaker 1: So many people I know who are like people who
Speaker 1: were very vocal on Facebook. I've talked to them privately
Speaker 1: and and and they're like, oh, yeah, I actually didn't vote.
Speaker 1: And I was like what and never voted midterms? You like,
Speaker 1: especially when people were very mad at Hillary Clinton's VP pick.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you do realize that when people don't vote
Speaker 1: in midterms, like she's gonna pull, she can't pull a
Speaker 1: place where the person coming up underneath is a Republican.
Speaker 1: So if you didn't vote in your mid term and
Speaker 1: you don't show like it has long term effects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you start at the local level. That's why
Speaker 1: third parties never get taken seriously. It's like what other
Speaker 1: vote independent as Russia were. I feel like she's tied
Speaker 1: to aliens like that. One might as well have her
Speaker 1: fucking tinfoil on her head. That's why I always like
Speaker 1: mad her. I hate it when people like Sandon is
Speaker 1: even worse because she's so I won't even watch that
Speaker 1: new show that I can't feud, which she's like, maybe
Speaker 1: this is what the system needs. I'm like, you have
Speaker 1: like a woman at JFK trying to kill herself because
Speaker 1: they're going to sent her back to like what was
Speaker 1: it Syria or Rock, Like the Muslim ban already has
Speaker 1: negatively affected people's lives what I see is doing. It's
Speaker 1: like horrible, And you Susan being like, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: we need to shake up. It's like that's not Yeah.
Speaker 1: People always when I ever talked about Hillary online before
Speaker 1: the election, uh, they were like, you're just voting her
Speaker 1: because she's a woman, Like I don't like a lot
Speaker 1: of female politicians. Don't like Sarah Palin. I don't like
Speaker 1: Carly Fiorino. I don't like like I was running her
Speaker 1: because she was extremely qualified. Yeah, like she did a
Speaker 1: lot of we're also sad. I do feel like we're morning,
Speaker 1: so I feel like we're morning. But then it's like
Speaker 1: you weren't even allowed to mourn her. It was like people,
Speaker 1: you know, I was on I was like on Colbarren
Speaker 1: election night, which was weird and funny in its own
Speaker 1: right because like nobody saw it coming. And then but
Speaker 1: when we got on stage, we found out that like
Speaker 1: the coup happened, and the cameras in your face and
Speaker 1: it's just terrifying, but that even I was on a
Speaker 1: panel and even like it's like before the body is
Speaker 1: even the ground, that there are two men on the
Speaker 1: panel like literally talking about how Bernie and Biden might
Speaker 1: be rolled, Like she must be freaking out because they
Speaker 1: could have fixed this, and you're like, you guys don't
Speaker 1: even like it. First of all, like I hate to
Speaker 1: be like she won because that just shows how much
Speaker 1: I'm in denial. But she won the popular vote. It
Speaker 1: was like a total cue like between Comy came in Russia,
Speaker 1: Wicky leaks Um. I you know, I've been like kind
Speaker 1: of starting ship online, which I shouldn't because like I
Speaker 1: do like Bernie's message, but also if you investigate Ted
Speaker 1: Divine and his ties to the PULM Manafer in Russia.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, Like it's interesting Bernie doesn't take
Speaker 1: money from the idea that he's like this, come on,
Speaker 1: man like this. And it got a lot more hostile
Speaker 1: than it needed to, you know, I mean the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm dating someone. Now how I found out
Speaker 1: was a Bernie bro Sorry, it's okay. Now we're trying
Speaker 1: to work through it, do well. So that's interesting though,
Speaker 1: Like dating, I mean, you don't have opposite beliefs from
Speaker 1: the person you're dating, but they're they're a little opposed
Speaker 1: to just like a worldview. It's like, but that's okay though,
Speaker 1: to date like somebody that thinks differently than you, I'd
Speaker 1: like people would be like Janet's face is being like
Speaker 1: but is it though? Because people who vote for I
Speaker 1: get I get confused between like should I, in my
Speaker 1: head be not demonizing people who are like so? But
Speaker 1: I do feel like the super pro Bernie thing and
Speaker 1: this is gonna get me in trouble. I do feel
Speaker 1: like it was like it just a little bit like
Speaker 1: my smartest friends were not the people who were like
Speaker 1: Ride or die Bernie. It was more kind of like
Speaker 1: my idealistic friends but not the people who kind of
Speaker 1: like are like high level strategic thinkers looking around and thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, like that makes sense. So it's like it
Speaker 1: echos other areas. I hope he doesn't listen to this.
Speaker 1: It was just like it felt like the new trendy thing,
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was trendy. It felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, I I like Bernie. I love his message,
Speaker 1: but you're just like looking at somebody who's been it's
Speaker 1: the same thing of like variety, Like Louis had that
Speaker 1: joke about like who do you want as your pilot
Speaker 1: on a plane? Somebody who has literally been a pilot
Speaker 1: for thirty years? Like she was present in the nineties,
Speaker 1: you know, and like I know that there were like
Speaker 1: outside interests. I feel like she could have been more
Speaker 1: intuitive just about like anticipating the occupied wallster movement, and
Speaker 1: they were like things that like her campaign definitely had
Speaker 1: a lot of faults, Like I remember just Bernie's campaign
Speaker 1: reached out to me a year like early two thousand
Speaker 1: and fifteen to do benefits for them, and Hillary's campaign
Speaker 1: like kinda I mean, like I did a video for
Speaker 1: them towards the end of the campaign, but it was
Speaker 1: like I just feel like Bernie's campaign was such a
Speaker 1: well oiled machine so much earlier with like the culture
Speaker 1: grabbing cultural people, you know, and I got the movement,
Speaker 1: Like I I support that movement. But anyway, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: it's still we I haven't talked about it in months
Speaker 1: because all this stuff happened, and like the last thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to do is be like, man, I teld
Speaker 1: you so because like I haven't done that, but like
Speaker 1: you know, it's like anytime you kind of hear Susan
Speaker 1: trying to talk or like there's stuff that comes up
Speaker 1: at this like ripping a band aid. Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like at this point we're sort of two parties. It's
Speaker 1: like with the whole d NC thing, it's it's clearly
Speaker 1: a split at this and then it's like should we
Speaker 1: we kind of need to come together because we have
Speaker 1: a kind of we have a happening in the fucking country.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking crisis, and so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's it's like Wymar Republic pre Nazi Germany. And in
Speaker 1: I made like a jokey tweet about how like the
Speaker 1: Hillary versus Bernie ship reminded me not like I'm that old,
Speaker 1: but of like what I had read about the Weimar Republic,
Speaker 1: a divided left, you know, makes way for like a
Speaker 1: fascist movement to take root. And I got so trolled
Speaker 1: on Twitter that I deleted the tweet, but from like
Speaker 1: the left and the right, and at the time I
Speaker 1: didn't know that a lot of it was like paid.
Speaker 1: I mean, like they're were like so many trolls that
Speaker 1: have disappeared that had like American flag banners and they're like, America,
Speaker 1: my country is, and you're like, you're Russian. You're not
Speaker 1: an American person, Like why are you like maga maga,
Speaker 1: maga maga, and then like socialists on the last you know.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we will step back and like
Speaker 1: get a sense of how deeply rooted the Russia connection
Speaker 1: is and how long it's been going and how this
Speaker 1: election was a perfect storm on so many levels, including
Speaker 1: it being the first election without two keeper visions of
Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act, like the fact that Hillary was
Speaker 1: a woman, and I didn't know until after that we
Speaker 1: aren't we weren't ready for like a female president. A
Speaker 1: lot of kind of conservative people like my uncle, who
Speaker 1: I'm not blood related to, should have totally voted for
Speaker 1: Hillary because she is a centrist borderline Republican, but he
Speaker 1: voted for Trump for no reason because he thought Trump
Speaker 1: would be good for business. And then people still acting like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not sexism. I know. So you both of you
Speaker 1: are very well read and educated and very intelligent politics,
Speaker 1: well people either way more so than me. I scan.
Speaker 1: I just scan the news apps and I go, okay,
Speaker 1: what do I need to know? Okay? And I try
Speaker 1: and educate myself as off night as I can. But
Speaker 1: you guys are really in it. What is the what
Speaker 1: do you think for people listening who are like don't
Speaker 1: give a flying funk about politics or why or think
Speaker 1: or well, yeah, like how can it affect people that
Speaker 1: don't think that think they're completely separate from it in
Speaker 1: specifically living in America? And then what what's a great way,
Speaker 1: like what's a really impactful way to get involved? I
Speaker 1: obviously vote and research when your local elections are, but like,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's this like they look at the
Speaker 1: word feminism, like even if you don't care about any
Speaker 1: of the things that we care about, it's for like,
Speaker 1: you know, Trump's really running on this, you know, the
Speaker 1: American worker um. But then it's like he's outsourcing O sourcing,
Speaker 1: He's going to these loopholes. Again, that's the Obama administration.
Speaker 1: You're going to have to not market because there's human
Speaker 1: fingers and it's going to be up to Sinclair's a jungle.
Speaker 1: And also like when you push I mean air water, food,
Speaker 1: like lack of regulation, look at like you know, if
Speaker 1: you care about dogs, like pet the Petro China scandal whatever,
Speaker 1: like you. We're getting sucked on so many every level.
Speaker 1: So it's not just women's And also one other thing
Speaker 1: that we're not really talking about, it's like the whole
Speaker 1: immigration thing. If you don't like immigrants, it's fine, but
Speaker 1: immigrants are what make this country run. And if you
Speaker 1: make a whole class of people not able to access
Speaker 1: public services and have to live in the shadows, you
Speaker 1: will see increased gangs. You'll see increased violence, like the
Speaker 1: fact that a woman who is an immigrant can't go
Speaker 1: to the police because our partners like abusing her. It's
Speaker 1: just like holding it her status over her head, like
Speaker 1: her immigrants it is. You don't want to live in
Speaker 1: a society where you have roving bands of poor people
Speaker 1: who don't have access to because it will make in
Speaker 1: the most selfish way, it will make your life worse.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to and look at our parents, Like
Speaker 1: we all have parents that are aging. It's like, do
Speaker 1: you want them to lose all there? We're gonna have
Speaker 1: like populations of eight year olds going back to work.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that government is like looting us. They're
Speaker 1: taking our money or natural resources out from under us.
Speaker 1: We will no longer be like a global superpower if
Speaker 1: if they're like you know, able to continue. The one
Speaker 1: thing I do want to say that when Pence becomes president,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people don't know about. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a doctor, so don't quote me, but if you google,
Speaker 1: like apparently so um with acupuncture, there are like ways
Speaker 1: to trigger miscarriages. Really, I've heard of that acupuncture does
Speaker 1: make you more fertile, so it doesn't surprise me that
Speaker 1: it could trigger. They'll if you google like like acupuncture
Speaker 1: or massage or acupressure for pregnant women, they'll tell you
Speaker 1: spots to not touch on like the it used to
Speaker 1: work at a at a spot down like down the street,
Speaker 1: and pregnant women can't get regular massages. You have to
Speaker 1: have a certain technique of massage of prenatal massage, you
Speaker 1: can't and I also can't touch people's feet you can
Speaker 1: induce early labor. I lived in Eastern Europe, so these
Speaker 1: are just things we should This girl UM was pregnant
Speaker 1: and they didn't have you couldn't have abortions um, and
Speaker 1: she couldn't have the baby. And she put a friend
Speaker 1: of ours on her shoulders and ran around the track
Speaker 1: until she missedcarry. Yeah, I mean this is what people do.
Speaker 1: Emails don't have acts. We've gotten emails, right, but it's
Speaker 1: like you run your body until it like is this
Speaker 1: what we're asking what to do to themselves? We've I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times. Like one time, this
Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl emailed us said I need help.
Speaker 1: I'm really scared because my friend is pregnant. She can't
Speaker 1: tell her parents. She doesn't have four dollars for to
Speaker 1: get an abortion at playing parenthood, and she's she's convinced
Speaker 1: she's just going to try and drink and smoke cigarettes
Speaker 1: and like run around until she aborts the baby. And
Speaker 1: then she mentioned like a close hanger, and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 1: But people don't realize that if you take away resources
Speaker 1: for women to have the choice healthily and a pregnancy.
Speaker 1: There's still gonna that was I go right that said
Speaker 1: that abortion rates when you outlaw abortion, they go up.
Speaker 1: Do they go up? They definitely don't go down. They don't.
Speaker 1: They go down when you have health clinics that are
Speaker 1: functioning and not being sex education, because I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, a lot of people, especially
Speaker 1: young people, are more concerned with like what their parents
Speaker 1: think and like money than their actual physical welfare. So
Speaker 1: they're willing to take these risks on their body because
Speaker 1: they're like, well, at least they won't get in trouble
Speaker 1: kicked out of my house because that's worse to them,
Speaker 1: or they have to borrow money from somebody. Everybody's going
Speaker 1: to have to get an io D until we get
Speaker 1: I know, your guys sex ed. Like in high school,
Speaker 1: middle school or whatever, I was told that you could
Speaker 1: get aged from getting fingered and why camplit. We had
Speaker 1: we had crazy aids kids. Yeah, we've have in the nineties.
Speaker 1: If you saw kids like Forget It, like that movie, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh there was where it was like it was I
Speaker 1: got like some after school special, but they played it
Speaker 1: in our school where like there was two girls, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is still in my brain, and one girl was
Speaker 1: like sleeping with everybody, and then one girl had like
Speaker 1: a long term relationship and then she got fingered one right,
Speaker 1: and then the girl's people everybody was like, I'm nervous
Speaker 1: and her friend was like, I'll come with you. I'll
Speaker 1: get an aid, says to and then the girls something.
Speaker 1: Everybody didn't have anything but this girl who partner. No,
Speaker 1: but this was another one. This wasn't like the one
Speaker 1: that they played us in our classroom and we all
Speaker 1: sat there. This was like, what was the point. Just
Speaker 1: don't have sex ever because brabies and drunk driving or
Speaker 1: the big three things. Rabies. I remember this like I
Speaker 1: have the kid thing in my head about like a
Speaker 1: dog at a playground, like rabbit and like biting a kid.
Speaker 1: It happened to a guy at my school. It was
Speaker 1: like Rabies series everywhere. Did he die? No, we got
Speaker 1: that big old shot. It's a huge shot stomach or
Speaker 1: but it goes in your stomach. So so that video
Speaker 1: was a really big bully though. So you kind of
Speaker 1: felt like God was given back where I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean, so wait that the message of that video
Speaker 1: Leah that you're describing in high school was like nobody
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but he's fucking in general. Did
Speaker 1: any of your sex that cover or any mention of
Speaker 1: female orgasm? No, that's the one thing that I feel
Speaker 1: like that needs to be Yeah, oh definitely not. It's
Speaker 1: all about the sperm that that because I also had
Speaker 1: friends in high school and I was a late bloomer,
Speaker 1: but I had friends in high school who had like
Speaker 1: sex of multiple people and have never been able to
Speaker 1: work as them. And I always felt that if you
Speaker 1: just know your body and you learn how to like
Speaker 1: get yourself off, then like it'll delay, Like is no
Speaker 1: teenage guy knows what they're doing, Like we're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to like scratch that itch, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But yeah, I do feel like they
Speaker 1: need to teach girls how to Like that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Masturbation can reduce like pregnancy because I'm able to do
Speaker 1: it better yourself. It's very also to mutual masturbation highly underrated,
Speaker 1: Like I still do it with my boyfriend's six years.
Speaker 1: It's fun and it's hot and it's like, man, I
Speaker 1: wish somebody would have brought that up in high school
Speaker 1: because I want to fuck that my first boyfriend at
Speaker 1: the age of fifteen, I was just try humping a lot.
Speaker 1: That works too. I should have done that. I tried
Speaker 1: to make a joke about this and it never worked.
Speaker 1: But I like took my own virginity. I'm kidding. I
Speaker 1: was like dating a guy and then but I was like,
Speaker 1: but he was really nice, but he wasn't like my person,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to, like, say, for someone special,
Speaker 1: so like, I stayd it for yourself. I went to
Speaker 1: like a sex shop and I like bought a fan
Speaker 1: just like good for you. And that's what made me
Speaker 1: who I am today at the young age of two
Speaker 1: or more mentally developed. Sorry mom and dad, but I
Speaker 1: look back when I first had sex of fifteen, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: that was young. I don't regret it, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was like he probably how old were you? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just at the time, I was like now, and
Speaker 1: you're like, what the fun? You're like horrifying to even
Speaker 1: imagine them sucking um? And I don't even think it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even it wasn't. It was more like I
Speaker 1: felt like I had to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was put the band aid off, get it over with,
Speaker 1: because it's like but then like talking about branding and
Speaker 1: the words we use and how they affect people, like
Speaker 1: losing virginity, like that's something that needs to go away,
Speaker 1: that that whole fucking term. Either way, we told sex
Speaker 1: in general is just ridiculous. Yeah, it is, and I
Speaker 1: think it's got to start when you're young. I had
Speaker 1: a conversation with my mom the other night, because, um,
Speaker 1: she's funny, but I remember I was in high school
Speaker 1: and like a friend of mine's little sister went on
Speaker 1: the pill. And we were seventeen and the little sisters
Speaker 1: like fifteen and a half, and she was dating this guy.
Speaker 1: And I remember having a conversation with my mom being like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: what would you do if, like I wanted to go
Speaker 1: on the pill? And she said, by the time I
Speaker 1: got them talking to you don't even want to have sex.
Speaker 1: And it was like the most like draconian, like insensitive thing,
Speaker 1: but like I have her brain and I definitely wasn't
Speaker 1: having sex because she was like, lucky, I think you
Speaker 1: need to like talk to kids, like, you know, meet
Speaker 1: them where they're at. But at the same time, there
Speaker 1: was a little like a little shadow of truth to that,
Speaker 1: only in the sense that my friend whose little sister
Speaker 1: was like dating that guy, the guy was like awful.
Speaker 1: And also when you are a teenager, you don't know
Speaker 1: your body and like there's so much power and control
Speaker 1: and sex and you're so vulnerable, so like and it
Speaker 1: doesn't really provide you, like pleasure for the most part,
Speaker 1: like until you can come on your own. And like,
Speaker 1: so I think like there is like you know, I
Speaker 1: would never if I had a daughter ever talked to
Speaker 1: her like that. But I do think there's something about
Speaker 1: like understanding like the power dynamics of sex and like
Speaker 1: how having sex can change how you feel about someone
Speaker 1: for women and for men, girls and boys, and you know,
Speaker 1: like sex versus pleasure and orgasm, you know, like all
Speaker 1: the kind of things. We just need to have these
Speaker 1: open conversations. I don't feel like I had that conversation
Speaker 1: until I was thirty. Oh yeah today, good point, Ja,
Speaker 1: that's a really good I feel like I learned about
Speaker 1: orgasms from Anne Rice wrote this nice. I think it
Speaker 1: was under an rolla. She had a different called The
Speaker 1: Awakening of Sleeping Beauty, and it's like an S and
Speaker 1: M Book three three books, um, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: like these fairy tale princes and princesses get woken up
Speaker 1: and they get taken to this land. It's basically like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, they have to be bottoms before they can
Speaker 1: learn to be tops. And I was reading it books
Speaker 1: and I read it to um. I think I read
Speaker 1: it to my girls soccer team. I would like, bring
Speaker 1: the locker room and read it out loud. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: check this ship. And I remember thinking, I feel like
Speaker 1: I have to pee, um, And now I get what
Speaker 1: that is. And at the time, I was like, what
Speaker 1: is that? You know? Yeah, well kids now have the
Speaker 1: internet like we were in the dark. I didn't have
Speaker 1: anything like that, so I feel like, you know, like
Speaker 1: I I think I was like how old was I
Speaker 1: was like visiting the college I ended up going to
Speaker 1: a Northwestern I was visiting on my like prospery weekend
Speaker 1: and I met this girl and she's just like, oh
Speaker 1: like this, like she just like literally told me over dinner.
Speaker 1: We were like with a bunch of guys and she's like,
Speaker 1: this is how you come. This is what a clittter says,
Speaker 1: this is what you do, and that's how you come.
Speaker 1: She just like it was at the first thing you
Speaker 1: met her. She was like, oh, we became a friends.
Speaker 1: She was really cool. She ended up going to the
Speaker 1: Peace Corps and like I should reach out, but but
Speaker 1: it was just like this kind of like no one
Speaker 1: like we didn't have I mean we had like web Crawler,
Speaker 1: but like no one had told me that. I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about that. It's just someone literally sent you
Speaker 1: down and being like this is what the clittter says
Speaker 1: you and like, um, now teens can google it. They
Speaker 1: have that, so it also is a game changer. And
Speaker 1: there was also like a study that said that like
Speaker 1: millennials are having less sex or like there's not the
Speaker 1: free love generation, you know. So I think that's also
Speaker 1: part of it. When you access to all the information
Speaker 1: your online just googling and all the time, you're not
Speaker 1: out there like fucking people as much, but you have
Speaker 1: information which we didn't have, And I think that's a
Speaker 1: game changer. Knowledge is kids can listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, that person took her own virginity
Speaker 1: at twenty two with a sex toy. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go do the same and firing Well, I know. It's
Speaker 1: also it's kind of scary, which is like I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's like dating apps and and consent. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of there. It's like seems like too much
Speaker 1: drama to have sex. Like if I was learning about
Speaker 1: sex now, I'd be like not worth it. I feels
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I grew up in a small town.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of like older guys buying younger
Speaker 1: girls booze, and you know, you're cut off from the
Speaker 1: rest of the world, so it's sort of like that's
Speaker 1: the thing to do, you know what I mean, um,
Speaker 1: which you know, looking back, you're like you should. Why
Speaker 1: don't you just take Paige into your math skills and
Speaker 1: be an astronaut right now? But I mean that was like,
Speaker 1: you know, that was I didn't know any better. That
Speaker 1: was like the thing that you did. That also goes back.
Speaker 1: I want to tie it back to that girl's episode
Speaker 1: because power dynamic. Power dynamic a couple of things like
Speaker 1: when we were coming up in our twenties, like every
Speaker 1: older guy comic like kind of not everyone. There are
Speaker 1: some that are mentors and a buncular with a term
Speaker 1: that I used uncle like, which but a lot of
Speaker 1: them weren't. They were like when I was coming up,
Speaker 1: there were a lot that when you're young, nobody knows
Speaker 1: who you are. They're kind of like prey on you,
Speaker 1: and like on their end of the spectrum, like they're
Speaker 1: going through divorce or they're single, and they see this
Speaker 1: like young girl comic who gets what they do, so
Speaker 1: they like things want to pressed by them, so they
Speaker 1: want to and they want to be adored, So you
Speaker 1: don't want to deny their own like romantic or sexual interest.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like we all got preyed on,
Speaker 1: and like you know, I was all through my twenties,
Speaker 1: I was like I want to be you. I don't
Speaker 1: want to fuck you, and I like never messed with anybody,
Speaker 1: but I saw a friend, you know, like you were
Speaker 1: all human at a certain point. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be like so guarded and prude. But I will say
Speaker 1: what I want to say a Glare Steinham quote which
Speaker 1: is that if women could sleep their way to the top,
Speaker 1: there'll be more women at the top. So such a
Speaker 1: good quote. But also like I I do think that
Speaker 1: that conversation that like Lena Initia initiated with that episode
Speaker 1: is so critical because it's just like because it's like
Speaker 1: you know I've been. I'm like, have you been preyed upon?
Speaker 1: Like and and it succumbed to it? I have. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk about it publicly, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? But like, have I dated people that
Speaker 1: I want to be like in my world? Yes? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Have I felt weird about it?
Speaker 1: Like I mean yes, But it also was like when
Speaker 1: I was older, like I really in your twenties, Like
Speaker 1: I remember being with a guy comic and we were
Speaker 1: at this comedy song and we were talking and I
Speaker 1: had a crush on him. Nothing ever happened, but I
Speaker 1: remember we were walking out and he's like, are you
Speaker 1: walking out? And I was like, you go ahead, because
Speaker 1: I don't want people to see me walking out with you.
Speaker 1: And he made fun of me. And why why? Because
Speaker 1: when you're a girl who people just don't know yet
Speaker 1: you are. Even when I go to this and you're
Speaker 1: seen walking out with a bigger comic, the assumptions that
Speaker 1: you're fucking. And now it's even funny because now, like
Speaker 1: I when I perform at the seller, like I go there,
Speaker 1: people will assume I'm a girlfriend, and I'm like flattered
Speaker 1: by it because I'm thirty four and I'm like thanks,
Speaker 1: and I'm also like, I mean I've done ship, but um,
Speaker 1: in your twenties, you're just trying to I think for
Speaker 1: young female comedians are in any industry. You're trying to
Speaker 1: make a name for yourself. You're trying to be taken seriously.
Speaker 1: You are just vulnerable you, I mean like, and it's
Speaker 1: it's such a it's such a balance to like with
Speaker 1: us like I mean like and stand up. The way
Speaker 1: that young stand ups get to that next spot is
Speaker 1: by touring with an older stand up well when they're
Speaker 1: like the majority of order stands are men, and the
Speaker 1: women who are who have arrived have had to fight
Speaker 1: as the only woman and aren't really rewarded when they
Speaker 1: mentor younger women because it's like they they don't want
Speaker 1: like a woman to open for a woman. There's all
Speaker 1: sorts of there's a lot of places will be like
Speaker 1: don't bring a girl. Don't bring a girl. It's very hard,
Speaker 1: like I do stand up, but like stand up is
Speaker 1: not at all or ever has been how I've really
Speaker 1: made money, you know what I mean, for a variety
Speaker 1: of reasons. I also like joke about abortion and unfunny
Speaker 1: like whatever, but um, I'm unfunny. It's because I'm not funny.
Speaker 1: But um, men help other men and then help other
Speaker 1: men intuitively. And even if men help you, there's always
Speaker 1: like there's always an angle and it's and whenever, and
Speaker 1: it's an older male comic with a younger male commic
Speaker 1: like and there's a genuine help I want to Even
Speaker 1: if a guy wants to help, he's like, but my what,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, there's always a thing. It's weird. It's
Speaker 1: weird when women have to help each other because that's
Speaker 1: we have And I think like men, Like I've had
Speaker 1: some of my best mentors have been men, and they
Speaker 1: really have helped me, and they're like and they've never
Speaker 1: hit on me, you know. So I've had male mentors
Speaker 1: get like, you know, help me, So I do think,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're a little bit few and far between,
Speaker 1: but like Jet Apatow is a good example of a mentor,
Speaker 1: of a guy who has helped so many women he
Speaker 1: has and he won't shut up about the cosby stuff.
Speaker 1: He always talks about very like a buncular like a way.
Speaker 1: He's really mentored. You know. There are like a lot
Speaker 1: of people like that, like John Stewart hired me based
Speaker 1: on my potential, not on my experience, which is key
Speaker 1: because women will get hurt that I'm not so so
Speaker 1: men personally have being like critical and my success. But
Speaker 1: I just think it's like these discussions we need to
Speaker 1: kind of have to have men who are like, not
Speaker 1: bad dudes, but I think that they that they could
Speaker 1: date a girl half their age who's in their industry
Speaker 1: kind of pause and be like, maybe I should not
Speaker 1: that overture. Maybe I should get to know her because
Speaker 1: there is a power dynamic that I might be oblivious to.
Speaker 1: Maybe if that guy were a little bit more sensitive
Speaker 1: or knew about these things because he watched that girl's episode, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe that's wat that they got that more. I think
Speaker 1: that in what you're saying, the Pine power dynamics in
Speaker 1: general were raised in this way because before I did commedy,
Speaker 1: I was doing a musician and I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1: So it's in this place that I realized we do
Speaker 1: have this way where I feel like we're brought up
Speaker 1: in a way where it's like the men are the
Speaker 1: thing where you were saying, I want to be you,
Speaker 1: and then as women, it's sort of like we see
Speaker 1: women um gravitating towards men who are this thing, and
Speaker 1: then the women are supporting them. Right, It's like behind
Speaker 1: every great man, it's a great woman. And it's like
Speaker 1: we want to be the great person. And it's like
Speaker 1: we're fighting to switch that system yeah, to be like
Speaker 1: we get to be that too, And we're in this
Speaker 1: really weird place where we just have to push so
Speaker 1: hard to because it's not just at the political it's
Speaker 1: in personal relation thing. It's there was like the study
Speaker 1: about five and six year old kids, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: maybe misquota, but the general gist was like they asked
Speaker 1: five year old boys and girls like are you smarter
Speaker 1: than the amount you work or something um and or
Speaker 1: or do you work harder than you're smart? And at five,
Speaker 1: gender didn't matter. All the kids were like, I'm smarter
Speaker 1: than the amount of work. And then at six you
Speaker 1: saw the girls, for the most part take a step
Speaker 1: back and be like I work harder than I am smart.
Speaker 1: And there's like this idea that like, you know, girls
Speaker 1: mature faster than boys with boys catch up. And then
Speaker 1: after the election, part of me was like do boys
Speaker 1: catch up or do girls just like mute ourselves, our
Speaker 1: whole lives to try to accommodate like this patriarchy we ourselves.
Speaker 1: But I I remember being told I was bossy and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and getting slammed down by
Speaker 1: women as well because everybody's in this structure we've set up,
Speaker 1: and then feeling bad, Oh I have too many opinions.
Speaker 1: I have too many, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: really like you're saying, muting yourself, and then you get
Speaker 1: older and you're like, now I have to undo all
Speaker 1: of that. I know. Yeah, used to like hold back,
Speaker 1: like being funny in middle school and stuff because that
Speaker 1: was seen as more of a masculine quality. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need to be like lady, like fuck that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but were you were just talking about about behind every
Speaker 1: man is a great one. I was thinking about that
Speaker 1: in depth yesterday and kind of just running through my
Speaker 1: head that like, truly every great man you're like ohing, oh,
Speaker 1: but his wife or his girlfriend is this awesome person.
Speaker 1: And you look at all the great artists like I
Speaker 1: was at the Googenheim. That's what I was thinking of it.
Speaker 1: And then Jackson Pollock yeah, and then all these and
Speaker 1: then I was going through great women in my head,
Speaker 1: and I was like, they're all single, but I just
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't know a ton of
Speaker 1: really powerful women with this great support structure where it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a puppeteer in Amranet, were you talking
Speaker 1: about the editors bit? The movies are all directed by
Speaker 1: men and women, so good about about like, yes, some
Speaker 1: male directors and female editors and looking at just like
Speaker 1: how when he goes do something with what I did? Okay, honey,
Speaker 1: you go sit in the room and I'll take care
Speaker 1: of it. The patent is a great ally to women.
Speaker 1: I even just was watching the CNN A History of
Speaker 1: Comedy thing and this episode two is about the funnier
Speaker 1: sex obviously about women, and Patton Oswald is like one
Speaker 1: of the few dudes who was just like, what the
Speaker 1: why are we having this conversation? Still, I feel like
Speaker 1: in comedy there there are a lot of men that
Speaker 1: I consider you know, I have male friends, um, and
Speaker 1: you treat me just like uh, a person, a comic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then when people come
Speaker 1: in I feel to the community and call you babe
Speaker 1: or whatever. You realize, oh, you know, you realize it
Speaker 1: is possible to just have somebody talking to you about
Speaker 1: your comedy, right, there's not a type that I think.
Speaker 1: I don't think people are bad. I think people just
Speaker 1: like like all of us on every issue, you know,
Speaker 1: we just kind of need to be educated. And like
Speaker 1: even at the comedy seller when I first went there,
Speaker 1: when I was younger versus now, and I'll be at
Speaker 1: the comics table, the guys who are like the comedy
Speaker 1: sellers like this kind of like masculine hub of like
Speaker 1: male energy. They're more respectful, Like they used to like
Speaker 1: kiss me on the cheek and now they're just like hey,
Speaker 1: and it's like good. Like I don't I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: want to be kissed and touched every time I go
Speaker 1: into a work environment. But I do think it's just
Speaker 1: like people getting up to speed, listening to podcasts, having
Speaker 1: conversations about this kind of stuff kind of is like
Speaker 1: how I think we evolve. Yeah, because they're not necessarily
Speaker 1: ship heads. They just they don't know, Like you said,
Speaker 1: like that's why talking about it as you have places
Speaker 1: did comedy where they haven't had a woman headline. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like every time Corin and I've been touring a
Speaker 1: lot and then we go in the green and there's
Speaker 1: all these pictures of comics and they're like, oh dude,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes throwing one woman because someone or Kathy Griffin.
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, um, is there anything else? You guys
Speaker 1: want to say, we have to wrap up. But if
Speaker 1: there's like anything else, there was one thing about the
Speaker 1: women being single, I think is like, and this is
Speaker 1: a larger conversation, but you know, I have like not
Speaker 1: really had a boyfriend since I moved to New York.
Speaker 1: Like I've dated, but I haven't like had a boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and like since the election and realizing that it is
Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale and like our our bank accounts might get
Speaker 1: frozen soon, it's like made me like Para bond a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But I think, like, and we don't
Speaker 1: talk about this, like the many many tremendous compromises women
Speaker 1: make or that were maybe even hard wired to make
Speaker 1: for our partners, the best examples like birth control and
Speaker 1: so like, we can have this conversation later, but I
Speaker 1: think that's really hard if you are a woman and
Speaker 1: like your career is as important to you as a
Speaker 1: person or a partner, which that's never portrayed in media,
Speaker 1: like your portrayed is bad if you But it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm career obsessed. It's like I have a I
Speaker 1: find passion and purpose in my work, just that I
Speaker 1: in the same way that I would find in a partner.
Speaker 1: But like the amount of compromises women have to make,
Speaker 1: mothers have to make, I mean, it's like prohibitive to success.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I really lucked out because my
Speaker 1: parents are so you know, my mom is right out
Speaker 1: of the seventies hippie. My mother's never worn underwear. Um
Speaker 1: and if you met my mother, she would let you
Speaker 1: know that it's like a capitalist way to ruin women's
Speaker 1: pH but she my parents really split the labor in
Speaker 1: the house, which is it's you know, it's unpaid labor.
Speaker 1: It's if people are expected to keep a home, you're
Speaker 1: taking I agree with you, Like you have to dedicate
Speaker 1: yourself to your thing, and obviously you want to make
Speaker 1: a relationship work. You both have to find time. But
Speaker 1: it's always women who are expected to to compromise a
Speaker 1: little bit more so you have to find a person
Speaker 1: who's hard is willing to because I think probably they
Speaker 1: won't come into it realizing it. But my mom and
Speaker 1: Dad have really found a way, and so I feel
Speaker 1: like I was lucky to be raised with seeing that
Speaker 1: and just so taking that as normal. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would I do Why would I stay home? Why
Speaker 1: would I do more? You know, I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: men who compliment, I think I'm trying to do too much.
Speaker 1: I think the new feminist like slogan should be why
Speaker 1: would I do more? I really like it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: run with them, just I'm not. I'm not gonna. I'm
Speaker 1: happy if it doesn't get done, but I kind of
Speaker 1: do it, you know, yes, and I damn I gonna
Speaker 1: feel bad about it. You take like a pill that
Speaker 1: fucks with your entire like psyche and your brain so
Speaker 1: that you can come inside you. It's like yeah, and
Speaker 1: real fun guys. But I feel the same way. I'm like,
Speaker 1: the birth control part of it is just that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm bloated and cranky and angry and not horny and
Speaker 1: and dried up. And that's why I don't want to
Speaker 1: have sex, not because the pill is preventing a sperm
Speaker 1: from fertilizing. I have a new joke about how I
Speaker 1: got the IU D. So I don't do any cleaning
Speaker 1: because that's and it's real, like I won't touch a
Speaker 1: fucking dish. I don't do the fucking bathroom ever since
Speaker 1: the Yeah, because if I'm taking their birth control, then
Speaker 1: I'm that's that's one. That's that's your contributions, and I
Speaker 1: don't clean ship. That's great. I feel like that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. Great. I didn't do well with
Speaker 1: a pill I do find Okay, I was thinking of
Speaker 1: going back on going on that. Um, where can we
Speaker 1: find you online? Jenna? Where can we find Twitter? Or
Speaker 1: in person? Yeah, I have shows and I'm doing stuff,
Speaker 1: but yeah, if you want to hear more about Russia,
Speaker 1: hopefully it's like n eighty percent factual, you can go
Speaker 1: on Jenna Friedman on my Twitter j E n A
Speaker 1: like Friedman right Twitter, Jenna with one end okay, perfect
Speaker 1: And Leah Yeah, all my if you go to my Twitter,
Speaker 1: all my my websites and everything is on that. So
Speaker 1: it's at Leah bonham Eli A H B O N
Speaker 1: N E m A awesome perfect fun. Thank you guys,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you very much. You're very smart, inspiring women.
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