Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, Must Talk More. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal in a
Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes. This feels weird, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Wesselen and no Dan hands is today. Unfortunately, Hey, Greg, Well,
Speaker 1: our friend had to to attend to some some business
Speaker 1: and so we hope he'll be fine and we'll we'll
Speaker 1: carry on. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's obviously a big day in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Dan's been cranking out posts like the rest
Speaker 1: of us the last few days as the start of
Speaker 1: free agency, and right before we came up to the
Speaker 1: podcast studio. Unfortunately, Dan just got taken away, uh from
Speaker 1: submergent matters. The show must go on. Dan wants it
Speaker 1: that way, and you know, it's not like we have
Speaker 1: a shortage of things to talk about here. Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: you're a baby's back in the cloud has been lefted.
Speaker 1: He's back in on the two thousand seventeen Browns. We're
Speaker 1: gonna make Matt money Smith happy. Plenty of Browns that
Speaker 1: you can get into that. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: you know, a team that had absolutely nothing but desolate
Speaker 1: darkness surrounding it has maybe made some steps. We'll see.
Speaker 1: How's how's your free agency been so far? West, It's
Speaker 1: been grand West is on his way. Well, he's on
Speaker 1: his way somewhere that we can't say right now. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a man cannon vacation. You can't wait to
Speaker 1: get out of this office. It's a weekend. Oh, you're
Speaker 1: heading out. I'm heading out this afternoon. You're ditching us.
Speaker 1: We're just pounding out post. I mean, well, I've had
Speaker 1: no vacation since last year, and this is the first
Speaker 1: day of WOW, And unlike some other people, I asked
Speaker 1: off three months ago, so satisfired right off the bat.
Speaker 1: We actually, you know, we have a relative short time
Speaker 1: in this studio considering how much news and stories that
Speaker 1: we need to get through before the next podcast, the
Speaker 1: fantasy podcast comes in here. So you know, I guess
Speaker 1: we'll just kind of cut short all the little chit
Speaker 1: chat and get to it. God forbid, we pushed them
Speaker 1: back fifteen minutes. Let's do some news. Said, I can't
Speaker 1: believe it. Oh, brock Oswiler, the ultimate brock Oswiler moment.
Speaker 1: Hello said, By the way, I know, if I was
Speaker 1: a better you know, quote unquote host, this is why
Speaker 1: we have Colleen step In. Yeah, we didn't really have
Speaker 1: time to go get a substitute host or anything like that.
Speaker 1: All right, we're pushing on. We are pros. You're doing
Speaker 1: a good job. Greg. Thanks the brown The Browns, and uh,
Speaker 1: the Texans are pushing on from the brock os Wilder
Speaker 1: era together. In a move that I would say no
Speaker 1: one saw coming, but some guy on a Reddit board
Speaker 1: in Bill Barnwell apparently saw it coming. Amazingly, the Texans
Speaker 1: pulled off a deal that we've really never seen in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL before, sending brock Oswiler and
Speaker 1: a two thousand and eighteen second round pick to the Browns.
Speaker 1: A couple of compensatory picks in late rounds also exchanged
Speaker 1: to finish out the deal to Cleveland. Just to get
Speaker 1: rid of brock Oswiler, get that sixteen million dollars in
Speaker 1: cash off the books. It's gonna be coming out of
Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslum, the Browns owner's pocketbook. He carries a pocketbook
Speaker 1: around ten ten million dollars in salary cap space gone
Speaker 1: from the Texans. Oswayler for now is property of the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Like, what was going through your mind when
Speaker 1: you first heard this Mark, well, initially I read it
Speaker 1: as the Browns had given the Texans a second round
Speaker 1: pick for brock Oswaller, and I was about to just
Speaker 1: get in my car and drive off the I ten.
Speaker 1: But when I found out what happened, I mean you
Speaker 1: you you've framed it as the Texans pulled off the deal.
Speaker 1: It's very much an unprecedented transaction that very much involved
Speaker 1: both teams, and it tells us a lot about where
Speaker 1: these teams are. You mentioned the text inside how much
Speaker 1: they wanted to get rid of Osweiler and Cleveland's it's
Speaker 1: a deeper look into Cleveland's analytics based if you want
Speaker 1: to call it that, but really just there how much
Speaker 1: they value draft picks. And they came into this free
Speaker 1: agency period with such an excess of cap space that
Speaker 1: they are one of the few teams in the league
Speaker 1: that could entertain or potentially spearhead this kind of a
Speaker 1: deal where you take on this cap space that you
Speaker 1: don't really care about this year. And there they've made
Speaker 1: it very clear in their press release, which was a
Speaker 1: crazy press release in a way, where they right up
Speaker 1: top talk about how excited they are to acquire a pick,
Speaker 1: and then you know buried below. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: brock Osweiler, he might compete too. I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: be competing in Cleveland at all unless any other plans
Speaker 1: they have at quarterback completely fall through this offseason. Just
Speaker 1: stockpiling those draft picks, like noted moneyballers Jimmy Johnson and
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. I mean, it's not a moneyball thing to
Speaker 1: stockpile draft picks. Well, I don't like it that. That's
Speaker 1: it's smart, and I give both franchises credit for thinking
Speaker 1: outside the box. They both solve some problems here. The
Speaker 1: Browns have too much money to spend. They've Confederate money.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants it. It's funny money. They can't sign Tony
Speaker 1: Jefferson and they offer him way more than the Ravens do.
Speaker 1: This is what happens. It's it's the whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, the losing tax that if you have,
Speaker 1: if you have a dysfunctional franchise, nobody wants to play
Speaker 1: for you. You're not gonna spend all a hundred two million.
Speaker 1: So if you've got extra cash, why not get a
Speaker 1: draft pick? But also they're there in their ammunition. Over
Speaker 1: the next two drafts, you've got two number one, three
Speaker 1: number ones, and five number two picks. You have incredible
Speaker 1: leverage to go get the guy when you find the guy.
Speaker 1: If at quarterback, it has to be about the quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's I think a crewing picks is one skill and
Speaker 1: then accruing drafting good players is another. They have to
Speaker 1: prove they can pull off that side of it well
Speaker 1: or they flip the picks for someone. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a second with possibly Jimmy Garoppolo. But I
Speaker 1: think the money Ball and the Paul Deepdesk, that influence
Speaker 1: comes in. I mean, this was a story that was
Speaker 1: interesting enough. I threw it out there at the at
Speaker 1: the dinner table at like at nine pm because my
Speaker 1: wife she's watching money Balls, she knows Paul Deep. That's like,
Speaker 1: it's a crazy idea. And I think where it comes
Speaker 1: in is that they value a second round pick at
Speaker 1: sixteen million dollars, that they've done work, that they believe
Speaker 1: that four year contract for that player who has a
Speaker 1: good chance to be a starter is worth sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: Because you can say it doesn't that didn't happen in
Speaker 1: a vacuum. It wouldn't have happened if they didn't have
Speaker 1: historically and historically high. But I think that this is
Speaker 1: a creative and smart way to use that cap space.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's lost a little bit, as
Speaker 1: you said, well this is funny money, it's actual money.
Speaker 1: And I really don't think there's many owners out there
Speaker 1: who would be convinced to spend sixteen million dollars essentially
Speaker 1: just on a draft pick. I mean that's actual cash
Speaker 1: that could do a lot of things, and it sounds
Speaker 1: easy to us, Oh, that's you know, he's a billionaire
Speaker 1: or whatever. Sixteen million dollars is sixteen million dollars. I mean,
Speaker 1: think of like the budgets that they go through in
Speaker 1: terms of renovations at at their stadium or what like
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars is a huge amount of cash that
Speaker 1: he's just essentially buying a draft pick for it, So
Speaker 1: you have to be convinced that it's worth it. I
Speaker 1: I agree. I also think that it, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's not just sixteen million dollars, is what they see
Speaker 1: as a second round pick. They are putting themselves in
Speaker 1: position to outbid anyone else when this bidding war for
Speaker 1: player X happens. And I think that that they absolutely.
Speaker 1: It tells you something else. This is a front office
Speaker 1: and an organization that for the last five plus years,
Speaker 1: if not the last twenty, have been flamed for being
Speaker 1: toxic from top to bottom. There is at this point,
Speaker 1: I think owner buying owner of ownership buys into the
Speaker 1: plan to the point where they're willing to put a
Speaker 1: lot of cash into it. And for the first time,
Speaker 1: maybe in a long time, the coach and the front
Speaker 1: office seemed to be getting along. They've got a nailed
Speaker 1: the draft though, or the whole thing could go down well,
Speaker 1: and you gotta get a quarterback. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: getting rid of Robert Griffin the third So that was
Speaker 1: reported by Michael Silver Originally that saves you someone on Thursday,
Speaker 1: that saves you money. But you don't you don't have
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I mean, that's why I think thinking about
Speaker 1: keeping Oswiler throughout the offseason if they can't trade him,
Speaker 1: isn't crazy to me because is he better than Is
Speaker 1: it really that embarrassing to have him on your roster
Speaker 1: or do you want to just see if he's better
Speaker 1: than Kevin Hogan, Because if he's better than who was
Speaker 1: set up to be your you know your third string quarterback. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know why not let him go through O
Speaker 1: T s and see if he fits with Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: at all, so they get rid of our r G three.
Speaker 1: But they look like they have a plan. I mean,
Speaker 1: you said, if they could get Jimmy Garoppolo West, you
Speaker 1: might be all. It looks like they have a plan
Speaker 1: because it's not like no one's taking their money. Kevin
Speaker 1: Zeisler is the highest paid guard in the league. We'll
Speaker 1: mention that a little bit later. They have a starting center.
Speaker 1: They they they replaced throughout prior with Kenny Brown. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're making moves. It's not like they can't get people
Speaker 1: to go to Cleveland. I would brought in the scope
Speaker 1: even beyond Jimmy Garoppolo. It sounds like the Patriots are
Speaker 1: pretty serious about keeping him, and if they're not, this
Speaker 1: is one of the best con jobs Bill Belichick has
Speaker 1: played on the NFL and on NFL reporters. But it
Speaker 1: also you brought in the scope and say, hey, next year,
Speaker 1: you've got plenty of m O. If you don't get
Speaker 1: the number one pick, maybe you get the number three
Speaker 1: pick in the draft or the number five pick. You
Speaker 1: can bundle all these picks and try to trade up
Speaker 1: for Sam Donald or whoever the the guy is there.
Speaker 1: Because you've got it's gonna be hard to say no
Speaker 1: to all that draft pick or or a Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: when he becomes available in a trade next week, like whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever it is that that you end up wanting to
Speaker 1: go get you can you can go after him then, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And a little bit from the Texans point of view,
Speaker 1: I give them credit to they could. Nothing they've done
Speaker 1: in that quarterback room for the past two or three
Speaker 1: years under Bill O'Brien has led anyone to believe that
Speaker 1: they realized they have a problem at quarterback because they
Speaker 1: continue to say both those kids can play all the time.
Speaker 1: And you don't like it when people lie to you.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when when they lie to me,
Speaker 1: especially Bill O'Brien, who has handled that quarterback room so
Speaker 1: poorly for a few years. In this this shows It
Speaker 1: shows me that they want to get Romo. They also
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback right now and they're not guaranteed
Speaker 1: of getting Romo. What are you trying? What are you
Speaker 1: trying to say? About the quarterback that that's in the
Speaker 1: room there. I mean, they do all right, he's real,
Speaker 1: but I mean brock Oswald there was also a real
Speaker 1: human being, but he's not a functional NFL quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: mean the everyone's getting so excited about the moneyball aspect
Speaker 1: of the Browns, and yet the Texans are the bigger
Speaker 1: This is gonna be remember more, I think because the
Speaker 1: Texans are clearing the deck for Tony Romo, which is
Speaker 1: going to be the biggest story of two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: So as a as a football story, I think it's
Speaker 1: that's gonna have more lasting impact. Wow, it's great the
Speaker 1: Browns pick up a second round pick. Everyone thinks that
Speaker 1: this is gonna, you know, start a new you know
Speaker 1: style of trading. I don't think so. I think this
Speaker 1: circumstances unique. I mean, it could happen both franchises. The
Speaker 1: circumstances unique. Yeah, and I think it could. It could
Speaker 1: and probably will happen in the future, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen too often. They in and make
Speaker 1: a rule against it. Well, the NFL, it's unclear if
Speaker 1: it's even approved, like if the if the Okay, I've
Speaker 1: disapproved at this point. I've heard that, but I will
Speaker 1: say that I think that they were probably not. They
Speaker 1: were thrown off by it a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: think this is what the NFL wants to happen. But
Speaker 1: if you look at cap room in general, it's an
Speaker 1: NBA style trade and we all know that. But but
Speaker 1: how many teams every year are gonna have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do what what the Browns just hid from a
Speaker 1: cap space single. I don't think the NFL is gonna encourage.
Speaker 1: And how many deals do you see where all of
Speaker 1: the money six teen million dollars is guaranteed into the
Speaker 1: second year. They're literally like, I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: any deals like that in this year's free agency. Maybe
Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmour, maybe a J. Booyer, Like, there's not a
Speaker 1: ton of guys getting those kind of type of contracts,
Speaker 1: in part, I think because Brock Gostweller's gonna scare them away.
Speaker 1: We move on to the other props to Bill Barnwell,
Speaker 1: our friend who wrote about this months ago and nailed
Speaker 1: it on the head. I mean that I'm essentially convinced
Speaker 1: that Bill Barnwell has is like traveling through time. There
Speaker 1: was also Guyan Reddit that did it not only nailed
Speaker 1: it on the head, but it would not surprise me.
Speaker 1: And I think it's probably more likely than not that
Speaker 1: the Browns and Texans got the idea from Bill Bard.
Speaker 1: It's not crazy. Well, I think Bill is great, one
Speaker 1: of the best football writers out there. People should check
Speaker 1: out his podcast I go back way back. He wrote
Speaker 1: for The Road to World magazine back in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and six. Um. I think Bill is part of
Speaker 1: the that analytics community and maybe these are sort of
Speaker 1: ideas that are have been talked about, like how can
Speaker 1: analytics be you Like, I'm not I'm not in the NBA,
Speaker 1: like NBA fans around our office for like, this is commonplace,
Speaker 1: and it's just not we have older Pete, we have
Speaker 1: older GM types, and we're starting to sound old this conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like Charlie Casser, why are these crazy? Some
Speaker 1: of the guys that are that are from front offices
Speaker 1: from a long time ago. This is not how the
Speaker 1: NFL was allowed to operate. This was hard to unpack
Speaker 1: for everyone when it first happened. So the Brock Goswiler
Speaker 1: era is over one of the biggest free agent bus
Speaker 1: I think in NFL history, because now there's no recovering
Speaker 1: from this, like he will just be remembered as a
Speaker 1: total disaster. The Browns say goodbye. I'm sorry, Uh, I
Speaker 1: feel bad at this point you created that. It feels
Speaker 1: like beating up on the guy. I think he could
Speaker 1: stand to be knocked down a few I think he
Speaker 1: has been. I think he's you know, Money's great, million guaranteed, Greg.
Speaker 1: Money doesn't make you happy West, Well, maybe he should
Speaker 1: consider that. Next time he leaves the Broncos for the Texans,
Speaker 1: maybe he'll end up back with the Broncos. I'm not
Speaker 1: really to the Broncos. I think the Bills and Rick
Speaker 1: Dennison will take him as a backup at some point.
Speaker 1: He knows that system. He maybe could be a little better.
Speaker 1: We have a we have a mere sixties seven more time.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I linger this is the best
Speaker 1: stuff though the top r G three. Bye bye Brock,
Speaker 1: so long. Jimmy Garoppolo still in New England, although for
Speaker 1: a few hours Friday morning, mark people thought he was
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to New England. Yeah. I mean I have
Speaker 1: dealt with some version of insomnia for years and years.
Speaker 1: You always heard me complain about it, and last night
Speaker 1: I was I had to go out on the couch
Speaker 1: and just lie out there alone, and I was looking
Speaker 1: to Twitter. There was a lot of stuff still happening
Speaker 1: during this free agent craziness. And then suddenly on Instagram
Speaker 1: word leaks out and on Jimmy Garoppolo's blue check mark.
Speaker 1: To prove Instagram, he types this with a picture of
Speaker 1: him with all the Super Bowl confetti around him. So
Speaker 1: grateful for my time in New England. Peace out Boston,
Speaker 1: I thought, my God. And so I'm sitting there wide awake.
Speaker 1: The entire country is mostly asleep. Other people in England
Speaker 1: are responding to tweets and stuff. But I checked it
Speaker 1: over and over and over, blue check mark, Is it
Speaker 1: really there? Did it disappear in one minute? It was
Speaker 1: there for another twenty minutes. I tweeted it out around
Speaker 1: the NFL tweeted out. Other people did the same, and
Speaker 1: other you know, other media Eastern. It was an unbelievable
Speaker 1: sudden explosion of whoever was up at that point, saying
Speaker 1: it's got to be Cleveland. Maybe it's Chicago and they're
Speaker 1: doing something else with Mike Glennon. There was so much
Speaker 1: speculation and ultimately NFL inside NFL network insider Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: was shaken a week by our newsroom at you know,
Speaker 1: he's complaining about being up at four thirty. I get it,
Speaker 1: what after you were still up at two in the morning,
Speaker 1: by the way, yesterday because I was up and he
Speaker 1: was tweeting out, he was tweeting out report. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he got mirror minutes of sleep himself, and you know,
Speaker 1: he fished around with the Browns and the Patriots and
Speaker 1: whoever else, and they said, we're asleep. No one's making
Speaker 1: deals right now. There's no deal for Jimmy G. And
Speaker 1: Jimmy G meanwhile completely a wall. After Rappidport had confirmed
Speaker 1: that this was essentially must have been a hack, the
Speaker 1: post stayed up on Instagram for hours more, adding more
Speaker 1: confusion to it, until it was finally deleted. But in
Speaker 1: my body, in my mind, I thought, for a minute,
Speaker 1: my god, Cleveland has pulled off the greatest eighteen ladies
Speaker 1: and well they've had a good day. But that would
Speaker 1: have been a wicked, gigantic cherry on top, and instead
Speaker 1: it was the complete off. If Dan was here right now,
Speaker 1: he would he probably would have already set up a
Speaker 1: sashy drop before it, but he would also admonish it.
Speaker 1: You Sydney for waiting that long for a sashy drop.
Speaker 1: This is like sascy Day. I've been like sitting on
Speaker 1: it forever and I was like, when is it was
Speaker 1: the perfect moment? Good luck? That was SMI okay, that
Speaker 1: was good. Good luck getting back to sleep when the
Speaker 1: adrenaline is surging your body at a level you haven't seen.
Speaker 1: This is the first time you I know you like
Speaker 1: Garoppolo a lot. Yes, you you would have been if
Speaker 1: this went through at one o'clock in the morning while
Speaker 1: you were on guard. You would have been more excited
Speaker 1: than you've been since Tim Couch was drafted number one.
Speaker 1: It's like the Berlin Berlin Wall crumbling. Now. I would
Speaker 1: have about to shake my children away and just put
Speaker 1: them out in the middle of the living room. What
Speaker 1: are they like, there's a I would say, there's a
Speaker 1: greater than fifty version of the Berlin Wall. People like,
Speaker 1: why why aren't we sitting in the middle like the
Speaker 1: wall is crumbling? I mean, but there is some there
Speaker 1: is some Cold war tactics going on here. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's as easy for Russia to hack into our
Speaker 1: entire political system and shake that up. I guess it's
Speaker 1: not too tough to you know, figure out Jimmy GE's
Speaker 1: passwords like Brady rules like nine seven or something like that.
Speaker 1: I play behind Brady. I mean, so do you do?
Speaker 1: You are we convinced when my one thing is like
Speaker 1: nineteen out of twenty times when athletes, you know, call
Speaker 1: out hack, I've been hacked, like it's not true. In
Speaker 1: this case, it feels obviously completely true. But it's true.
Speaker 1: It feels true unless unless there was You never know.
Speaker 1: I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you never know. If
Speaker 1: he had like a timed out post and he thought
Speaker 1: yesterday it was gonna happen, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: he probably got hacked like a Lara mctunseil situation, and
Speaker 1: and Adam Schefter and you referred to it. He was
Speaker 1: on the radio in Cleveland today saying they're not trading Garoppola.
Speaker 1: This is not news, Adam. But he's basically saying a
Speaker 1: period that it's not happening. No, he has said period
Speaker 1: for weeks. Adam Schefter has said this all along, which
Speaker 1: is fine. That's great reporting. If Bill Belichick told him
Speaker 1: that to his face. But Adam Schefter doesn't make deals
Speaker 1: in the New England Patriots front office. Bill Belichick doesn't
Speaker 1: have the clear deals with Adam Schefter. Well, I even
Speaker 1: if Bill Belichick did tell Adam Schefter that, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to question the motives because I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be the story of the next six weeks.
Speaker 1: Not to look ahead, but it's gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo and possible trades with the draft. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think say nothing is a cous cousins is still out there.
Speaker 1: What if Cleveland. I'm not saying this would be wise,
Speaker 1: but Cleveland could say we'll give you, you know, two
Speaker 1: first and five five number two. Is Bill Belichick still
Speaker 1: saying no? I mean, if Cleveland really really wants this,
Speaker 1: they can do it. And other team The one thing
Speaker 1: that did come out of the reporting yesterday from Mike
Speaker 1: Garifolo and Rappaport was that other teams that are put
Speaker 1: that had thought about Jimmy g and this, the chips
Speaker 1: have fallens suggest this all can see that nobody can
Speaker 1: outbid Cleveland. At this point, They're the only team that
Speaker 1: has a shot. And if if Belichick's simply wants them,
Speaker 1: then maybe it's all well, and and I do believe
Speaker 1: the notion, and I think I think you would buy
Speaker 1: this to West that it's not all just some or
Speaker 1: the leverage game. They truly do think Jimmy Garoppolo is
Speaker 1: a quality starting quarterback, so they feel no need to
Speaker 1: get rid of a starting quality quarterback. Yes, Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is on your roster, and you're always thinking about the future.
Speaker 1: But because of that, it's like we retain his rights.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna happen in two thousand and eighteen.
Speaker 1: You don't know possibly ways that you could creatively come
Speaker 1: up to keep him when his contract comes up, Like
Speaker 1: every year is important, and I would you know, as
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan, you'd love to have Jimmy G on
Speaker 1: your roster next. I absolutely believe that Bill Belichick, a
Speaker 1: guy who said last year in October that the difference
Speaker 1: between Brady and Jimmy G in practice is seamless. There's
Speaker 1: a seamless transition, absolutely believe that he's the successor to
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. And I also believe he's enjoying the hell
Speaker 1: of the leverage he's created because we chase that what
Speaker 1: that which runs away from us. Yeah, the Browns are
Speaker 1: just gonna want Jimmy g more and more the more
Speaker 1: that Belichick said you can't have. But then if he,
Speaker 1: if he truly is not willing for a raid to happen,
Speaker 1: he they're also driving up the price to keep him
Speaker 1: on themselves. He's gonna be incredibly more expensive than he
Speaker 1: would have been had he just essentially done nothing behind
Speaker 1: Brady the same way a Brian Hoyer did or someone else. Now,
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost them a ton of money. It was
Speaker 1: gonna be them coming up with a contract that he
Speaker 1: would actually sign, presuming Tom Brady is still healthy, is
Speaker 1: gonna be close to impossible. Not impossible, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be very difficult. Anyways, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are down playing the importance of actually playing out the
Speaker 1: two seventeen season right exactly. Injuries come out of nowhere
Speaker 1: and you are in a super Bowl window. I think
Speaker 1: Belichick is fine with the notion that I'll go through
Speaker 1: this season, have my premium Brady, the best Brady insurance
Speaker 1: I can find, and maybe he see, he does see
Speaker 1: who knows they're a little a little. Dan's gradual declines
Speaker 1: there's sprinkling and he's not here. So Dan would root
Speaker 1: for a Jimmy g trade somewhere far away from New
Speaker 1: England in the second. But what's more valuable. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: another Super Bowl tie idole that further entrenches these guys
Speaker 1: as the absolute legends they are, or a couple of
Speaker 1: draft picks. So Garoppolo amazingly wasn't the only person to
Speaker 1: say goodbye on social media before it was actually time
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. Hey everyone, there's been a crazy forty
Speaker 1: eight hours here. I want to say thank you, and
Speaker 1: we have a lot to think about who's going forward.
Speaker 1: But I'll see what happens. I'm just gonna keep listening
Speaker 1: to Bob Lan. That was Tony Romo in a very
Speaker 1: strange goodbye, not quite like you know, the tearful press
Speaker 1: conference he had. H it's strangely time goodbye on Instagram, right,
Speaker 1: I believe in right when free agency started making it
Speaker 1: sound like the Cowboys had already released him, which would
Speaker 1: make sense if you were watching NFL Network, ESPN or
Speaker 1: basically any other news source you know out of Russian
Speaker 1: state television on Wednesday, which all said Tony Romo was
Speaker 1: going to be released. That Tony Romo was told that
Speaker 1: he was going to be released, but right before free
Speaker 1: agency started, we got the news. Uh no, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna keep him for now. Ian Rappaport says that
Speaker 1: plan was never to wave Tony Romo. Very strange and
Speaker 1: that he as we're taping this Friday, late Friday morning,
Speaker 1: he's he's still part of the team and they want
Speaker 1: to try to trade him. We praised the Browns and
Speaker 1: Texans for you know, give them credit for thinking outside
Speaker 1: the box and being creative and thinking in a new way.
Speaker 1: And then here we are the Texans and Broncos in
Speaker 1: March of two thousand sixteen initiate a bidding war for
Speaker 1: brock Osweiler in March up two thousand seventeen, refused to
Speaker 1: initiate a bidding more for a much better quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a strange dynamic. I I I still think
Speaker 1: that cow Is have to get Romo out of the
Speaker 1: building before team activities start again, before that whole thing happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could just stay home in theory, but
Speaker 1: you'r I agree. Are they just trying to see if
Speaker 1: they can get literally anything for him before why not
Speaker 1: don't they got a little bit of leverage from Houston's
Speaker 1: trade because you could tell that Houston, I would think
Speaker 1: you could tell that they want Romo. Now, conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: I got two of them here, all right, Number one,
Speaker 1: Suddenly you are a conspiracy theory. Yes, this one's more
Speaker 1: of just a theory. Tony Romo and his agent. You know,
Speaker 1: this is a theme today. Maybe just because they read
Speaker 1: this big article. They're trying to sew some chaos again,
Speaker 1: like the Russian government has been trying to do to
Speaker 1: our politicals. As they're trying to sew some chaos out
Speaker 1: there in the media. Where does it come from that
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was told that he was going to be released?
Speaker 1: I mean that that sounds like it's coming from someone
Speaker 1: that's Tony Romo essentially, that that's strange news to be
Speaker 1: out there, that it doesn't come true at all, and
Speaker 1: the cowboys essentially you're saying that was never true. So
Speaker 1: that's number one. On Thursday, we see reports from ESPN
Speaker 1: that the Broncos are getting involved in trade talks for
Speaker 1: Tony Romo. That's another strange one. Immediately, James palmer Goes
Speaker 1: on our network said that that's not happening, that they
Speaker 1: haven't been in trade talks. These things seem like they're
Speaker 1: coming from Romo's camp. The first one maybe to put
Speaker 1: pressure on the Cowboys to actually release them. They thought
Speaker 1: maybe if that's just out there, the Cowboys would feel
Speaker 1: the pressure to do right by him, quote unquote uh.
Speaker 1: And then the second one, maybe they inspire Houston to
Speaker 1: get off their ass and trade for him, because I
Speaker 1: think they want to go to Houston. That's my takeaway
Speaker 1: from the last few days. Denver is great and all.
Speaker 1: Maybe as an option, but they don't have an offensive line,
Speaker 1: they're not close whatever. I think he just I think
Speaker 1: he wants to play for the Texans. I think maybe
Speaker 1: they even knew the Texans we're clearing the decks here
Speaker 1: for Romo and that's why they held onto him. But
Speaker 1: I think I think it's all pointing towards Tony Romo. Texans.
Speaker 1: One point, it involves more than one person your theory,
Speaker 1: so it is a conspiracy theory. Number two, I think
Speaker 1: it's very plausible. You're absolutely I think you're absolutely dead
Speaker 1: on with that that this is all this stuff about
Speaker 1: the Texans and or the Cowboys and Tony Romo just
Speaker 1: want to make this peaceful transition to the next stage
Speaker 1: of his life. This is one of the cleaner breaks
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, But none of these are totally right
Speaker 1: up to now. It's just that I I don't think
Speaker 1: that Tony Romo is some wilting flower that's just going
Speaker 1: to be released after what happened next season without having
Speaker 1: some impact in it. And it does feel age and driven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be happy if this drags on and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys getting like a sixth round pick for you.
Speaker 1: That's probably It's not that not that is probably that's
Speaker 1: the thing that it's probably the end game is like
Speaker 1: a best case scenario. They're probably getting like what a
Speaker 1: fourth or a fifth round pick. I don't know. He's
Speaker 1: about to Tony Romo is about to have about to
Speaker 1: have a third child. Is that the number there's a
Speaker 1: new child on the way or the new child has arrived?
Speaker 1: I think I think it's on the way. To drive
Speaker 1: from Houston to Dallas is very manageable. It's it's about
Speaker 1: three hours. It means you could be around your home,
Speaker 1: around your wife and kids easily. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's it's probably as good of a setup is not
Speaker 1: what Broncos are. That's not how franchise quarterbacks rule. He'll
Speaker 1: be taking Bovate jet right and there, and they look
Speaker 1: like a team that I'm not saying he's driving in
Speaker 1: a rental car between the two, and they look like
Speaker 1: a team that could compete for a super Bowl that
Speaker 1: they had a starting course. I think also if you
Speaker 1: and again to come back to this competitive nature that Rome,
Speaker 1: who absolutely has I think he's undersold on that front
Speaker 1: that to be in the same state and get the
Speaker 1: other team in Texas to the super Bowl would be
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating stories and he knows it,
Speaker 1: and nothing would rankle Jerry Jones more right, which is
Speaker 1: maybe why their whole being on to him, like people
Speaker 1: that I people have thrown out whether he could possibly
Speaker 1: retire if if if this doesn't work out getting to
Speaker 1: the Texans, But when two sides make so much sense
Speaker 1: for each other, you know, I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But it could drag out that one thing. To make
Speaker 1: clear that the Cowboys have no financial incentive to get
Speaker 1: rid of him. They only get the cap relief from
Speaker 1: getting rid of him after June one, So in the meantime,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. That's one quarterback situation that's kind
Speaker 1: of just like hanging out there, and another one we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about over the next few weeks. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins and Washington, we've talked about it a lot. But
Speaker 1: the news on Friday was that he signed his franchise
Speaker 1: Tag West. Do you see that part of the equation
Speaker 1: that he's now officially signed with the Redskins changing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna go on with this situation, just
Speaker 1: because the Redskins are so dysfunctional, But it seems like
Speaker 1: there might be some light at the end of the
Speaker 1: tunnel if the Redskins are willing to negotiate from that
Speaker 1: standpoint of twenty four million. If they're willing to do that, maybe,
Speaker 1: But there are also report that kirk Cousins will not
Speaker 1: sign long term as long as Bruce Allen remains in
Speaker 1: the president rule. It's such a toxic that house is
Speaker 1: absolutely on fire. And but but Washington has the leverage
Speaker 1: over kirk Cousins now that he's signed it and it's
Speaker 1: going to carry on for another year. I feel like
Speaker 1: they're they have a modicum of leverage, but it evaporates
Speaker 1: after the seasons. Oh no, just for this season. I mean,
Speaker 1: you sign that thing and it's over. But it's it
Speaker 1: just feels like such a depressing situation in Washington. Well
Speaker 1: for multiples. You said that report that they won't sign
Speaker 1: a long term deal while Bruce Allen's there, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that it sounds like that's from both sides. It
Speaker 1: sounds like Bruce Allen doesn't want to sign him to
Speaker 1: a long term deal, which is crazy. Let's what's Bruce
Speaker 1: Allen doing? What's this guy doing? He's just he's tearing
Speaker 1: the franchise down. He I think it's called pride. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of a lot of trade him.
Speaker 1: If he's not gonna be on your team after this year,
Speaker 1: then they should trade him. Yeah. I never really Bruce Allen.
Speaker 1: It's not just the Kirk Cousins, it's the it's his
Speaker 1: fingerprints the entire organization. Well, that's the fact that they
Speaker 1: were never good when he was running the show. And
Speaker 1: then Scott mcluen started getting credit and Bruce Allen bristoled
Speaker 1: at that. And now Scott mcluen is not there anymore,
Speaker 1: and the Redskins are gonna be as bad as they
Speaker 1: were when Bruce Allen was running this right, So the
Speaker 1: Redskins fired general manager Scott mcgluen. We've talked about this
Speaker 1: situation the last couple of shows, but I think it
Speaker 1: really this is something I have the worst memory ever,
Speaker 1: and this is something I think I will go back
Speaker 1: to whenever I'm making any sort of like Redskins are
Speaker 1: dysfunctional rants in the next ten years. That this is
Speaker 1: the franchise that fired their general manager on the day
Speaker 1: that free agency started. That is an amazing thing to
Speaker 1: have happened. I think it almost We were so we
Speaker 1: were getting ready for it, so in the moment it
Speaker 1: didn't seem that crazy. But what could possibly look worse
Speaker 1: as an organization and be more embarrassing that you literally
Speaker 1: fired your general manager the day that free agency started. Well, well, say,
Speaker 1: the only thing that can make it even worse than
Speaker 1: it ority is is that we know that Scott McCluin
Speaker 1: very publicly acknowledges a struggle with alcohol and it's out there.
Speaker 1: He's out there with that, and that there are people
Speaker 1: out there reporting to some degree that the Redskins used
Speaker 1: that against him, when that wasn't necessarily the only issues
Speaker 1: that Scott mcluin face. The issue he faced was Bruce
Speaker 1: Allen and the power struggle and the pride and the contentionists,
Speaker 1: contentiousness inside the organization. That is what makes the Redskins
Speaker 1: the most toxic organization in the NFL. Right now, Well,
Speaker 1: what's it's The distance to number two is pretty deep.
Speaker 1: I think you should look askance when the Washington Post
Speaker 1: is quoting anonymous sources saying that he was a problem
Speaker 1: in the locker room and showed up drunk in the
Speaker 1: locker room, made a spectacle of himself, and then they
Speaker 1: quote six players saying that was never an issue in
Speaker 1: the locker room. Scott mcluin was perfectly professional in the
Speaker 1: locker room and there was never an issue. That is
Speaker 1: a major disconnect. Liz Clark and Mike Jones wrote a
Speaker 1: great long piece in the Washington Post. They've been really good,
Speaker 1: uh reporting this that that people should check out. I
Speaker 1: think Jake Gruden has done a really good job trying
Speaker 1: to work with a really tough situation, because it sounds
Speaker 1: like mcglewin never really had all of the power that
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen was making plenty of decisions, and now you're
Speaker 1: in a situation where they are literally the first team
Speaker 1: in NFL history to lose to one thousand yard receivers
Speaker 1: in the same offseason. You have this Cousins thing hanging
Speaker 1: over you. You lost, by the way, your best you know,
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, Chris Baker. I'm not saying they can't recover
Speaker 1: from that, but there's a lot going on. You fired
Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator and you didn't get the big name
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator that they were reportedly going after. They thought
Speaker 1: they were going to get some great, you know coordinator,
Speaker 1: maybe a Wade Phillips. Instead they ended up promoting from within.
Speaker 1: This situation stinks. Yeah, well, when don't blame Kirk, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Bruce Allen era and it it's not
Speaker 1: a good sign for the Redskins. When Scott mccluy and
Speaker 1: you know, Seth Wickersen wrote an incredible feature on him
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, tweeted last night that people
Speaker 1: from the Seahawks, his former employer, the forty nine, or
Speaker 1: his former employer and people all around the league have
Speaker 1: come out to speak in favor of Scott mccluen, one
Speaker 1: of the most respected talent evaluators in the NFL. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know the Redskin side either, and it's a
Speaker 1: very complex situation when you from all from all reports,
Speaker 1: it seems to be that he is a functioning alcoholic
Speaker 1: who was very good at his job, absolutely just which
Speaker 1: is not necessarily the easiest thing for the people around him.
Speaker 1: But we we are not inside the building, You're right.
Speaker 1: So that is one spot where the quarterback situation is
Speaker 1: kind of open. And another one of those spots is
Speaker 1: with the Jets. And after Jake Cutler was released on Thursday,
Speaker 1: as expected, there were reports that the Jets and Jake
Speaker 1: Cutler have mutual interest. I also happen to think, and
Speaker 1: I'll just throw this out there, if Kirk Cousins got traded,
Speaker 1: I could I see that as a as a very
Speaker 1: logical landing spot for Jay Cutler. I think he could
Speaker 1: work in that Jake Gruden system and that just seems
Speaker 1: like a Redskins Jay Cutler type of move. But that's
Speaker 1: looking way ahead. If they did get rid of Jay Culer.
Speaker 1: For now, Jets Jay Cutler. Dan's not here to be
Speaker 1: excited about it, but we know he's kind of in
Speaker 1: on this. I think Dan is in on the idea
Speaker 1: of the Jets getting the number one pick. How many
Speaker 1: times has he mentioned that over the last I'm not
Speaker 1: in on this because the Jets are gonna be so
Speaker 1: bad it's just gonna be an embarrassed. What what's the
Speaker 1: upside for Jake Cutler making money? I guess I mean
Speaker 1: that's been I think Jay Cutler is the guy that
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get the number one pick, he's
Speaker 1: gonna go win you four or five games and keep
Speaker 1: you out of the night. I agree, you just enough
Speaker 1: to not be bad enough. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 1: that conventional wisdom is the New York papers we'll eat
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler alive, and Brandon Marshall tooled the Rich Eyes
Speaker 1: and Show on Friday that Jake Cutler has the absolute
Speaker 1: deal personality to deal with the New York media because
Speaker 1: he doesn't give one damn care. He doesn't care. Most
Speaker 1: athletes they say they don't read their stuff and that
Speaker 1: they don't care, and you don't believe him for a second,
Speaker 1: and you believe it. He in that from that angle,
Speaker 1: he fits perfectly. He's never going to pick up a
Speaker 1: tabloid the entire time. He's never changed, which is that
Speaker 1: you know, Dan wrote this and it is to his credit.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no like maneuvering the media with him.
Speaker 1: He is he is who he is, He's he and
Speaker 1: he's better than you know he's he's a punching bag.
Speaker 1: And yet if he was on the Texans last year,
Speaker 1: it's like they would have had a shot to maybe
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots in that playoff game in the most
Speaker 1: heartbreaking way post probably probably, but it would have gone
Speaker 1: down in the last few minutes. And he would have
Speaker 1: been a lot better than a hand than a decent
Speaker 1: handful of quarter starting quarterback situations out there. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: I think that that's probably coming in New York. Let's
Speaker 1: flip to a team that on our NFL network hit
Speaker 1: on Friday, which if you listen to this in time,
Speaker 1: you probably won't, to be honest, but if you listen
Speaker 1: to it in time, we're on the Free Agency Frenzy
Speaker 1: Show on Friday, NFL Network in the afternoon. Will also
Speaker 1: be on Up to the Minute Live on Monday between
Speaker 1: one and two Eastern time, so people should check that out.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be barring crazy news happens happening, because then
Speaker 1: we'll quickly be blown Then we might get blown out,
Speaker 1: but you know it happens, and we listed the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles as one of the biggest winners, specifically Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: after what happened in free agency. Chris Wesley, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't it's there. I don't know Carson Wentz is a winner,
Speaker 1: but there's some kind of spiky sense that I have
Speaker 1: that this is not all gonna work out well and
Speaker 1: Tory Smith both signing contracts with the Eagles. On paper,
Speaker 1: you've got two outside receivers who are deep threats. You've
Speaker 1: got a jump boll artist in al Sean Jeffrey, which
Speaker 1: should work well because Carson Wentz was sailing how many
Speaker 1: passes at the end of last year and you moved
Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews to the slot. On paper, it works well.
Speaker 1: Do you fix your offensive line? Do you fix your
Speaker 1: running game? Is all that coming to I guess, But
Speaker 1: from al Shan Jeffrey's point of view, it's sure seems
Speaker 1: like a risk to go sign with one of the
Speaker 1: worst quarterbacks in the NFL last season. It is the
Speaker 1: highest I know he's got potential, but he was one
Speaker 1: of the worst quarterback. It could be like signing with ports,
Speaker 1: but he threw for four thousand yards am I wrong?
Speaker 1: I mean right, but that's what I mean. But that's
Speaker 1: what matters for receivers, his yards and catches. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, there's plenty of yards to get.
Speaker 1: Even if in a bad season he has four thousand yards.
Speaker 1: They are paying him, if it's outside of franchise tags,
Speaker 1: the most money for a one year contract of any
Speaker 1: player in NFL history el Shan Jeffrey. I'll say this though.
Speaker 1: Part of the problem for that's what was tweeted. Part
Speaker 1: of the problem for Carson Wentz was the lack of
Speaker 1: weapons around him. There really was not my the dysfunctional
Speaker 1: wide receiver group. So I like free agency in the
Speaker 1: Eagles love free agency under Howie Roseman. You cannot fix
Speaker 1: everything Tory Smith, if he's the guy he was, you
Speaker 1: know for times in San Francisco, He's not gonna come
Speaker 1: in and and completely, you know, spread out an offense
Speaker 1: the way you'd want him to. But they're addressing it.
Speaker 1: They can still draft someone, but it gives it gives
Speaker 1: Wentz a chance and more weapons, and it's here the
Speaker 1: worst yards per attempt outside of brock Oswiler last year.
Speaker 1: He I think it's easy for people. I love the
Speaker 1: idea of Carson Wentz and then you go watch some
Speaker 1: of what happened to him in some games and a
Speaker 1: lot needs to change for him next season. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he also he he was up and down. I just
Speaker 1: want to see it. I just want to see the
Speaker 1: second season. I think he showed enough that you could be, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could be excited about his second season. I am
Speaker 1: to watch it. I don't think it's at risky for
Speaker 1: al Shan. You know, he reportedly turned down long term
Speaker 1: money from the Vikings. Now it probably was not a
Speaker 1: top of the market I'm one of the top three
Speaker 1: or four receivers in the league. Type of money or else,
Speaker 1: he obviously would have taken it. But he's taking a
Speaker 1: little risk. And I think this is a little way
Speaker 1: of like this is how the NFL is moving. Every year,
Speaker 1: the contracts get shorter, the guaranteed money gets shorter. The
Speaker 1: Patriots have been doing it this way. You want to
Speaker 1: talk moneyball, you know, analytics like the the Eagles have
Speaker 1: a heavy and influence of analytics in their building and
Speaker 1: they have it's Howie Roseman. Uh. He has a right
Speaker 1: hand man, Alec Hallabee, who's you know, comes from that
Speaker 1: analytics sort of background, and I think I'm just spitballing here,
Speaker 1: but I think these contracts that are short term work
Speaker 1: out really well for both sides. In the NFL. Maybe
Speaker 1: Jeffrey is great and he ends up signing a long
Speaker 1: term deal elsewhere next offseason. I think it's even more
Speaker 1: likely that he's great and he signs a huge extension
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. If you look at the Tory Smith contract,
Speaker 1: he only got five thousand guaranteed and it's a series
Speaker 1: of essentially five million dollar options. So that's a very
Speaker 1: team friendly deal. If he's good, you get him at
Speaker 1: a very cheap rate, and you can decided to keep
Speaker 1: him or not every single year. And if he's not good,
Speaker 1: you can cut him in training camp or you cut
Speaker 1: him after one year. A byproduct of this new phenomenon,
Speaker 1: you're talking about players union and the players railed against
Speaker 1: the franchise tag for years, Well look what's going on now.
Speaker 1: Kirk Custins has more leverage than any players ever had
Speaker 1: because of the franchise tag. Al Sean Jeffrey would have
Speaker 1: gotten paid more had the Bears franchise tag. It's a
Speaker 1: good thing to be tagged at certain positions. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's true. And and I think this idea
Speaker 1: of like doing the one year thing and going back
Speaker 1: into the market, it can work. Like Chance Warmack is
Speaker 1: a top former top ten pick. He signed a deal
Speaker 1: with almost no guaranteed money in Philadelphia. If he has
Speaker 1: a good season there, maybe he goes back in the market.
Speaker 1: It worked for Nick Perry, who signed a one year
Speaker 1: deal for Green Bay and then signed a fifty million
Speaker 1: dollar deal this year with them. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Alshan Jeffrey suspension in his recent past. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got injuries. Why not take a year and see what
Speaker 1: you get off of what I love. I love the
Speaker 1: fit because Wentz has a big arm and jeff he's
Speaker 1: one of the best that just going up and getting
Speaker 1: the ball, making his quarterback look good. And I mean
Speaker 1: they needed it, they needed options. That Now that's you know,
Speaker 1: assuming they don't get rid of Jordan Matthews. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a that's a nice little three man group. West is
Speaker 1: making wild faces over here with um a little bit
Speaker 1: of what I like to call breaking New Sydney. I'm
Speaker 1: putting you on the spot as she's doing some other stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh mind. This one is is from ESPN and we'll
Speaker 1: it'll be a tricky thing to report over at NFL
Speaker 1: Network because the report is from ESPN Adam Schefter and
Speaker 1: it's the NFL Network draft analysts. Mike Mayock has emerged
Speaker 1: as a candidate to become Washington's general manager. Sources tell Field,
Speaker 1: Yates and Shifter that that's so wow wild. We were
Speaker 1: just saying on the last episode, wonder if more teams
Speaker 1: start to look beyond the typical ring the old boy
Speaker 1: network of the same people, the same old scouts, the
Speaker 1: same old pro personnel guys. Mike Mayock would be a
Speaker 1: fascinating individual to take that job. Mayock met with the
Speaker 1: Raiders long ago, famously met with Al Davis for the
Speaker 1: Raiders general manager job. And I am I remembering this right?
Speaker 1: That did Indeed, this is a long time ago. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah uh our guy here met with the Bucks and
Speaker 1: the Eagles, remember just a year ago, it seems so.
Speaker 1: My biggest Lewis Riddick, met for the forty Niners job.
Speaker 1: And most people believe if Josh McDaniels was willing to
Speaker 1: take that job or it's a little unclear who said
Speaker 1: no to who, but if the forty Niners went with him,
Speaker 1: it would have been McDaniels and Riddick. Here's how the
Speaker 1: sausage has made Mike Mayock is about to get paid
Speaker 1: a lot more by NFL Network. Yes, yes, I will say.
Speaker 1: When I did that, that calling, the piece where I
Speaker 1: talked to color guys, analysts, the whole crew, Mike Mayock
Speaker 1: made it one one thing over clear. If you want
Speaker 1: to if you want to cover football from from what
Speaker 1: he is to, you have to break down film. You
Speaker 1: have to love it more than anything. And people can
Speaker 1: say that. I don't think every role in the NFL
Speaker 1: requires that, but for his it does. But I'll go
Speaker 1: back and listen to that seventeen minutes I talk spoke
Speaker 1: with him, he just literally go back. No, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you if I wakes ut like I mean, Mark
Speaker 1: wakes about like one in the morning, I'm already waken
Speaker 1: one in the morning. I told you this. He just
Speaker 1: uses it like it's all he cares about. And I
Speaker 1: think he'd be a fascinating person. I could see have
Speaker 1: that kind of an opportunity. I could see him take it. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a little worried about the situation
Speaker 1: in Washington, and I know you could get a raise
Speaker 1: from NFL network. And I know we're really diving into
Speaker 1: a strange topic here, but he's lost his NFL TV
Speaker 1: gigs over the last few years. He had a couple, right,
Speaker 1: he had network, and then he was doing Notre Dame. Sorry,
Speaker 1: and one was so one was in college. So he's
Speaker 1: he's a little he's a little less out of the
Speaker 1: limelight and a little maybe then then he loved a
Speaker 1: few years ago. He's just doing the draft and I
Speaker 1: think he loves that. But I don't know is raised.
Speaker 1: You know, you know she she's out of the house,
Speaker 1: good Twitter follow You know so many people around the
Speaker 1: league that it would be the transition would be less
Speaker 1: Rocky West doing the rare uh. I like football too.
Speaker 1: I like talking about it. We found to like twenty
Speaker 1: seconds per topic for the Lightning. We can talk a
Speaker 1: little bit of Mike Glennon, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: have to talk too much because we've talked about him
Speaker 1: so much. I like Mike Lennon and I'm sick of
Speaker 1: talking about Mike Lennon. But he did finish off um
Speaker 1: his three year deal with the Bears, as we expected
Speaker 1: that the money was interesting. Three forty five, essentially nineteen
Speaker 1: million guaranteed, which tells me he's probably getting paid a
Speaker 1: lot this year. There's probably a little bit of money
Speaker 1: guaranteed into next year, but they could probably cut him
Speaker 1: after one year with some pain if it was a disaster.
Speaker 1: And it's really more of a two year deal. I
Speaker 1: like the contract. I'm not wild about the idea of
Speaker 1: settling for Mike Glennon. When you get rid of Jay Cutler,
Speaker 1: I think you should aim higher. But this is not
Speaker 1: brock Ostwaller. I think he has he has more tools,
Speaker 1: he has a much smoother release. He also has he
Speaker 1: went back and watched the look I did. But he
Speaker 1: also has disturbing penchant for throwing balls up for grabs.
Speaker 1: And when you have Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson, that works.
Speaker 1: When you've got Dion Sims and Marcus Wheaton, you're in
Speaker 1: for a world of hurt. I think the Bears are
Speaker 1: gonna be a very run heavy offense in two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: My one takeaway from this, because a lot of dominoes
Speaker 1: have fallen at the quarterback position, was just looking at
Speaker 1: who even might still think about a quarterback in Round one.
Speaker 1: I came up with these teams, the Jets, the Bills,
Speaker 1: and depending what happens with Jimmy Garoppolo, the Browns, maybe
Speaker 1: the Cardinals at the team definitely, and I think the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans if Romo fell through, you go up and
Speaker 1: down the list. There just aren't any other teams, and
Speaker 1: I think half of those would not do it. So
Speaker 1: it's it's like a lot of these quarterbacks may fall
Speaker 1: into Round two that we thought in other years they
Speaker 1: get cycled up. Bears will be looking for a quarterback though,
Speaker 1: but not at number not at number three. No, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's second round. That's true. Glennon, I
Speaker 1: think he has a shot. West is putting sandwiches or
Speaker 1: something on the line that he won't be ranked in
Speaker 1: the top sixteen of my QB and next by the
Speaker 1: end of the year. I feel, yeah, I like I
Speaker 1: like Glennon, and I think, like you know, a great
Speaker 1: a great outcome for him would be to be like
Speaker 1: the twentie best quarterback because as someone who I know
Speaker 1: is going to take a beating if he struggles this year.
Speaker 1: I'm not really liking Cameron Meredith. Can you know Kevin
Speaker 1: White and Dion Sims. They signed as a tight end,
Speaker 1: and they signed Marcus Marcus Meen. That stinks, yes, and
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard. You know that's It's like, what quarterback is
Speaker 1: coming in there unless they're truly a top ten type
Speaker 1: of guy and really turning that team around. That organization
Speaker 1: has issues from the very top down. Let's move on
Speaker 1: to what looks like a man who is gonna win
Speaker 1: me some high octane sandwiches. Stefen Gilmore, I love you, baby.
Speaker 1: Sounds like he is gonna get the most amount of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money in all of free agency, which I'm not
Speaker 1: stunned by. I put sandwiches on it, but I am
Speaker 1: stunned by that he got the money from the Patriots. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not too often they go at the top of
Speaker 1: the market. They did it for Darrell Reeves. They basically
Speaker 1: did it for a daily as Thomas back in the day.
Speaker 1: Rosie Colvin got a lot of money. But this kind
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. Uh, Mark, what do you
Speaker 1: think Stefan Gilmore with the Patriots? Well, the only thing
Speaker 1: that would, if I were you, would counteract your obvious excitement.
Speaker 1: I'm actually have mixed feelings. Well, the mixed feelings would
Speaker 1: come about, whispers that maybe Malcolm Butler is gonna get
Speaker 1: shipped out of town to the Saints. Was it that
Speaker 1: in the Brandon Cooks trade out. I don't really wants
Speaker 1: Gilmore over Malcolm Butler. I mean, it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: an interesting signed by the Patriots, but I I barely
Speaker 1: would want my son Walker over Malcolm Butler. Malcolm Butler
Speaker 1: is amazing. He's your favorite Patriot. He's just why not
Speaker 1: at the greatest play in football history in my mind,
Speaker 1: and then he follows it up with two great seasons.
Speaker 1: An undrafted kid out of West Alabama and and he plays.
Speaker 1: He's such a fun guy to watch. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love watching physical cornerbacks. That just kind of Yeah, he's undersized.
Speaker 1: I'm a little undersized. You know, he's physical. I'm physical.
Speaker 1: He pushes people around. I pushed people around. I love
Speaker 1: this kid. We had him here in the studio, Malcolm Butler.
Speaker 1: I wasn't even there that day. I know you're slightly
Speaker 1: impervious to this mark because of the Jamie Collins fallout,
Speaker 1: But how do you resist the temptation to just say,
Speaker 1: if Belichick evaluates this player at that level, who am
Speaker 1: I to question. I'm already thinking he must be one
Speaker 1: of the top five corners in the NFL. I and
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's questioning Belichick. I just the
Speaker 1: idea of getting rid of Malcolm Butler, to right is
Speaker 1: but they didn't know. But even if he got rid
Speaker 1: of Butler, when you when you second guess yourself and
Speaker 1: say maybe Butler's a product, well, of course, like I
Speaker 1: now expect Stefon Gilmore to play very well. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, if he was a free agent at
Speaker 1: this time last year, you know, he would have been
Speaker 1: the He might have been the number one player on
Speaker 1: her entire list. He had a very impressive first three seasons.
Speaker 1: He did. Some people thought he protected himself a little
Speaker 1: bit of his free agency year. I think the Patriots
Speaker 1: do a better job than anyone maximizing strength. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna put him out there in bad situations like Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan did and just like let him get flamed. He's
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, I would be stunned if he didn't
Speaker 1: play well. So I'm excited about that. But what I
Speaker 1: would really be excited about is Stefan Gilmore on one side,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler on the other side, Devin mccordy in the
Speaker 1: back and now you're playing with fire and you're going after. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going after. You know, another super Bowl reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit about two thousands seventeen. West's circling his face.
Speaker 1: I have some breaking news for you, West. What's the
Speaker 1: I've negotiated fifteen extra minutes for this podcast, so we
Speaker 1: have a little because because we must make this an
Speaker 1: eight five minutes production. How about this for a badly
Speaker 1: needed transition? Was getting on me for, you know, keeping
Speaker 1: the show short, so like the show has been short
Speaker 1: over the last year two I I gave up. Dan
Speaker 1: is going to click into this file and see the
Speaker 1: play length and have an outright heart attack and he'll
Speaker 1: miss the next episode. It's gonna be happy that, you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be happy that we missed him so much.
Speaker 1: How about this for a badly needed transition? There is
Speaker 1: one cornerback to Patriots will not be with next year.
Speaker 1: Who's that? Wow? That'll be Logan Ryan? Thanks? Mark? Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean you could have just gotten and taken there's
Speaker 1: no rule that I have to say all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't need this start moving
Speaker 1: and here Logan Right. Well, well, now we've gotten through
Speaker 1: the biggest stories. So I was fine, you chew the
Speaker 1: fat a little bit, I think stuff, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: And then you crank through the Logan Ryan three year
Speaker 1: deal with the Titans. I mean, why do we really
Speaker 1: have to say about these types? They've long needed a
Speaker 1: slot corner and their GM came from the Belichick school.
Speaker 1: Logan Ryan, he draft, he drafted Logan, I mean he
Speaker 1: was there when they drafted. If he's not the best
Speaker 1: tackling cornerback in the NFL, he's in the conversation how
Speaker 1: many times do you see a cornerback lead a team
Speaker 1: in tackling? And he's done it year after year. And
Speaker 1: it popped in my head and watching the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: on some of those plays early in the game when
Speaker 1: they were getting stops, people forget they've got stops. The
Speaker 1: first two or three Falcons drives and a couple of
Speaker 1: those were because of Logan Ryan's tackling out on the edge. Right.
Speaker 1: Let me so, let's use our logic from the previous segment.
Speaker 1: If Belichick doesn't want him, is he just flat out
Speaker 1: garbage at this point? No, I think he didn't want
Speaker 1: him for ten million corner. Yeah, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: guy who who's plays inside, who's been a probably a
Speaker 1: solid starting cornerback like average and I And maybe that's
Speaker 1: that's what it costs in free agency. But that's a
Speaker 1: lot when you can get stuff on Gilmour for only
Speaker 1: four millions. I think when they leave the building, Belichick
Speaker 1: like in their sleep and ject them with a serum
Speaker 1: where he'll never have like a season with more than
Speaker 1: five productive games. Again. Titans also pick up Jonathan Sippriy
Speaker 1: and from the Jaguars. He'll start next to Kevin Bayard.
Speaker 1: I would think it's safety, so they're they're set at safety.
Speaker 1: They should be, and they still need an outside corner
Speaker 1: and a very corner heavy draft. But they also were
Speaker 1: in the market for a wide receiver and didn't get one,
Speaker 1: So maybe they'll concentrate on Maybe they'll get Brandon Cooking
Speaker 1: and they have Jason. The Brandon Cook's asking price sounds
Speaker 1: like it's that the Saints are asking incredible stuff from teams,
Speaker 1: and I think the Titans are maybe not going to
Speaker 1: win that one in the end. Yeah, they were. They
Speaker 1: were in on Alsa on Jeffrey that didn't happen. And
Speaker 1: and they have Jason mccordy, who I thought they might cut,
Speaker 1: but they don't. And suddenly that secondary looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's kind of if they get another cornerback Bayard. Bayard
Speaker 1: was a nice, nice pick. I mean, this is our
Speaker 1: lightning round. We are not in the lightning round. And
Speaker 1: one do they get things about going to these super
Speaker 1: Bowl you know the super Bowl thing is like now
Speaker 1: after seeing Logan right like, he's he's like a he's
Speaker 1: a spitfire. He's kind of a leader amount you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's the guy that's gonna if the there's the
Speaker 1: energy is a little bit low. He's got to go
Speaker 1: around the room pushing some people. You could you could
Speaker 1: tell he had a lot of respected this I guess
Speaker 1: goes around the room pushing Their secondary was his fiery
Speaker 1: I thought it's Denver's the year before. Surprisingly they had
Speaker 1: a lot to say. Jacksonville, another team in the a
Speaker 1: f C South, picked up a big piece in their secondary,
Speaker 1: a J booy A. You know a guy is a
Speaker 1: tasty free agent signing when every single team in the
Speaker 1: division is going after him. I mean that to me
Speaker 1: says something. I mean says something about the Division's UH
Speaker 1: cornerback Black of cornerbacks five year deal with A. J.
Speaker 1: Booy a very similar overall money to Gilmore, a little
Speaker 1: less um it seems like a lot less guarantees for Booyer,
Speaker 1: where where in the third year he doesn't get but
Speaker 1: the Jaguars get the deal done with A J. Bowyer.
Speaker 1: They also did finish that deal for Class Campbell, which
Speaker 1: I did. We talk about that on the last show.
Speaker 1: We did not ask so Klais Campbell is going to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He was in our top five free agents overall, and
Speaker 1: once again, Uh, the Jaguars are making moves. We did
Speaker 1: talk about Barry Church. That's what I was thinking about.
Speaker 1: So another like three big time free agents and two
Speaker 1: of our top ten free agents Booye and Campbell going
Speaker 1: to that defense. At this time two years ago, send
Speaker 1: Derrick Marks was the face of the Jaguars defense and
Speaker 1: they're only above average starter. And now look what they've
Speaker 1: done since in Calais Campbell, A J. Bouoy A, Barry Church,
Speaker 1: UH Tayshaun Gibson at safety. They pick up Malik Jackson,
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. Draft Dante Fowler draft go Way was
Speaker 1: their best pass usher draft Jalen Ramsey, who's an All
Speaker 1: Pro talent. This this is a transformed defense and it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprised me if they're one of the top five
Speaker 1: six defensive in the NFL. They were showing, they were
Speaker 1: showing signs. They were showing signs at the end of
Speaker 1: the year exactly Jalen Ramsey was allowed. You know what
Speaker 1: they should do. They should call up the the the
Speaker 1: Chargers see if they can trade for Gus Bradley. Bring
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley back as their defensive coordinator. He deserves to
Speaker 1: coach this team. Wait, didn't they only get good towards
Speaker 1: the end of the year once he was gone, well
Speaker 1: for defense before. That's fair. I just hope to say
Speaker 1: I know a j b Ai. It's a good seems
Speaker 1: like a very good player. But it was just a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. That little altar On Verner was
Speaker 1: high a top our free agent last and we loved him.
Speaker 1: I mean something. There's not a huge body of work
Speaker 1: with him, and you just want to make sure that
Speaker 1: it's that it's going to be the guy. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Texans in the end didn't extend themselves like crazy to
Speaker 1: sign him, although they were signed That's always a positive
Speaker 1: sign to me when the team really is trying to
Speaker 1: bring him back. I mean, they wanted to keep Buyer.
Speaker 1: They were offering big money, but they didn't have the
Speaker 1: cash space. They're trying to get Tony Romo. So that's
Speaker 1: it for Jacksonville. I like what they've done, and I
Speaker 1: love what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have done. Weirdly, the
Speaker 1: most underrated signing I think in all the free agency
Speaker 1: is Deshan Jackson. I don't know how Deshan Jackson is
Speaker 1: so famous and he's said he's underrated at this point.
Speaker 1: I love that move for them, and I think he
Speaker 1: really changes any offense. He joins, this was the perfect
Speaker 1: landing spot for Deshan Jackson, and I disagree. I think
Speaker 1: the most underrated signing is is the one on the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball forcers Chris Baker, who was
Speaker 1: the only productive defensive lineman for the Redskins the last
Speaker 1: couple of years and one of the most disruptive unknown
Speaker 1: defensive lineman in the game. And you also it's like,
Speaker 1: not only do you have Mike Evans and DeShawn Adam
Speaker 1: Humphrey's great season last year, Cameron Braid at tight end,
Speaker 1: you've got weapons and into depending what they end up
Speaker 1: doing a running back. This is a playoff caliber offense
Speaker 1: and their defense had great moments last season. I I
Speaker 1: look at their roster and I see, I think it
Speaker 1: has a little more problems on defense and the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't think it's until well that's what
Speaker 1: we need to find out. Until they added these two pieces,
Speaker 1: which I really like. I looked at the roster, I said, well,
Speaker 1: this is really no different than the Bucks team, like
Speaker 1: with Raheem Morris or Shiana or any of those guys,
Speaker 1: other than you have Jamis Winston and Mike Evans, which
Speaker 1: is a monster. Other than I mean, you have the quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's huge. But I don't think it's like I'm just
Speaker 1: not penciling them in, even though I liked them a lot.
Speaker 1: But now this offense and who's I'm loving it for James.
Speaker 1: I think who's the running back? The draft should be hard,
Speaker 1: incredible running back group and maybe you go there, maybe
Speaker 1: you know what it costs you a lot less than
Speaker 1: you know going out and getting someone who's six seven
Speaker 1: years older that the numbers of Deshan Jackson. I put
Speaker 1: this into my Daily Debrief, which I've been writing in
Speaker 1: Free Agency NFL dot Com slash Debrief. Uh, the numbers weren't.
Speaker 1: Warren Sharp on Twitter put them up of Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: throwing deep to Deshan Jackson and Kirk Cousins basically throwing
Speaker 1: deep to anyone else. It's like Deshan Jackson as quarterbacks
Speaker 1: good vertical throwers, not the other way around. He did
Speaker 1: it for Nick Foles, he helped out Michael Vick's late
Speaker 1: career renaissance. I mean, that's what Deshan Jackson can do.
Speaker 1: And now he's he's just gonna see single cover. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you have to account for. But
Speaker 1: now you're opposite Mike Evans. It's like that's a problem.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem for defense. Is that? What else?
Speaker 1: Did those numbers tell you what Kirk Cousins without Deshan
Speaker 1: Jackson and pure Garson. Yeah, with a often banged up
Speaker 1: Jordan Reed is not worth what the Redskins will pay
Speaker 1: him or what they will Well, that's that's maybe why,
Speaker 1: that's maybe why the Redskins should just trade him now,
Speaker 1: like before there's any chance of his value going down.
Speaker 1: I think you get a ransom for the forty niners.
Speaker 1: They're not worried about spending that, you know, they're not
Speaker 1: worried about I think they would give a boatload for
Speaker 1: him just trading. Well, maybe Mike, Mike Mayock gets in
Speaker 1: there and solves this. I like that. Uh, let's move
Speaker 1: on to uh, let's stay on this issue. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about this for another three fourth little tackle talk. You
Speaker 1: didn't think tackle talk was coming back that it felt
Speaker 1: like it was. You didn't think tackles always around the
Speaker 1: course coming back. People Really not a big response to
Speaker 1: tackle talk, no sponsor, no song, was there any response
Speaker 1: at all. Sydney doesn't even pay attention when we get
Speaker 1: to tackle talk. Sydney checked out, Like Sydney doesn't happen seconds.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Dan involves me in the show where yeah, yeah, yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I have been negotiating extra time for us. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: been talking to shadowy league figures. It's a lot going
Speaker 1: on back here. Alright, fine, job, tackle talk. The craziest
Speaker 1: contracts in all of free agency were at tackle Matt
Speaker 1: Khalil getting twenty five million guaranteed, getting more than ten
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Russell Okum getting a very similar deal,
Speaker 1: not as much guarantees in his contract, but from the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. Riley Reef. We haven't seen the money,
Speaker 1: but I bet it's huge from Minnesota. What do you
Speaker 1: gotta do at tackle to not get a lot of money,
Speaker 1: Because Matt Khalio was a board her line disaster when
Speaker 1: he played, and then he missed all of last season
Speaker 1: with hip surgery, and he got this kind of money.
Speaker 1: You'd have to be hit by a car probably. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to find. Good tackles are getting paid
Speaker 1: like crazy people. So well, Dave Gettlman has the benefit
Speaker 1: of all my doubts on the offensive line. They they
Speaker 1: signed Michael Or and turned him into a passable left tackle.
Speaker 1: Matt Khalil is better than Michael Or I think. And look,
Speaker 1: you can't disconcount discount effect that they just wanted to
Speaker 1: recreate stepbrothers on our offensive line with Ryan Khalil and
Speaker 1: Met Khalil. I mean, that's cute. I hope it works.
Speaker 1: But they've got excellent offensive line coaches in Carolina and
Speaker 1: they they turned careers around. It's true, it's often the
Speaker 1: system and flipping that around like whatever is going on
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. They clearly do not know how to coach
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Why not make an offensive line out of
Speaker 1: the you know, two thousand Westley brothers. You guys, when
Speaker 1: I've been around you, you don't always get along, you know,
Speaker 1: and having the brother in the locker room can be
Speaker 1: very good. You've got six that are available right swing tackle.
Speaker 1: A couple of us are stocky. Well, I don't think
Speaker 1: the tall, thin ones are gonna work out well in
Speaker 1: the offense. Why not. They're tackles. They're at tackles. They
Speaker 1: can beef up, you know how the offensive lineman once
Speaker 1: they retire and the power set right there. The one
Speaker 1: who can have younger than me is six four if
Speaker 1: West go. If West was an NFL player, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna like this, but he would definitely be a right guard.
Speaker 1: I could see him. That is some boat. I can
Speaker 1: see him as a center. Okay, it's about me. What
Speaker 1: position would you be, Greg? I don't know. Gunner, I
Speaker 1: would try. I mean, what's you know? You can't really,
Speaker 1: I guess kicker. You can't be as small and be
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But gunners, they're not on the field
Speaker 1: of time. They just gotta be a little bit of
Speaker 1: crazy special team er. I think I could handle the
Speaker 1: pounding for a few plays, probably tackle No, I'd be
Speaker 1: like a little third down running back that like a
Speaker 1: noised teams Chargers, Chargers and Vikings still have more work
Speaker 1: to do, by the way, Russell Kung, who is okay
Speaker 1: in Denver? They they they cut d J. Fluker. Uh.
Speaker 1: They've got spots all up and down their offensive line
Speaker 1: that they need to fix, and they've really Tom tole
Speaker 1: Us goes no show no ability to do it. Overrated RUSSELLO.
Speaker 1: Kung the left tackle, Underrated Russell Okung, the agent who
Speaker 1: just got himself twenty five million guaranteed. There is Mike
Speaker 1: Cliss from Denver tweeted that industry sources believe the Chargers
Speaker 1: may have tampered with Okung, so more to come on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah that work, Yeah, but you're not allowed to talk
Speaker 1: to him before the four. Yeah that they were Maybe
Speaker 1: they were wis Oh the thing is, you know that's
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy. If you're Okung Gregg, it's all. It
Speaker 1: would be only Okung from that. Well, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: sneaky loser in free agency. By the way, the Vikings
Speaker 1: didn't get Alice on Jeffrey like they wanted, haven't really
Speaker 1: done a lot of exciting and then they're they're desperate
Speaker 1: at tackle. So what do they do. They they signed
Speaker 1: the guy Riley Reef, who their division rivals, the Lions,
Speaker 1: were all too happy to replace with old Ricks. There
Speaker 1: the Ricky Wagner. Let's move on to more offensive line
Speaker 1: talk quickly. The Saints signed Larry Warford. I don't know
Speaker 1: how this really even. We could that could have been
Speaker 1: an eight o'clock to light. We don't need to Evans potentially, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't need to. He got a lot
Speaker 1: of money for you know, a solid run blocking type
Speaker 1: of thing. Let's always have a pretty good offensive line.
Speaker 1: They always they always like these big run first offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: A little shorter Warford, good signing. You know, fine, they
Speaker 1: gotta keep moving the Browns. On the other hand, it's
Speaker 1: crazy because the Jimmy g and Brock stuff got all
Speaker 1: the attention, and yet their offensive line overhaul is going
Speaker 1: to have a much bigger impact on their two thousand
Speaker 1: seventeen season than any Brock Oswald trade. I love number
Speaker 1: one that they believe in Joel Patonia, who when he's
Speaker 1: healthy he's had some derby five years fifty one million.
Speaker 1: That's a good extension for them. He's been one of
Speaker 1: the one of the few draft picks that have that
Speaker 1: have really out outdone his draft stock. Kevin Zeisler is
Speaker 1: a I don't care what them. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the money at this point. Honestly, Kevin Zeisler was the
Speaker 1: number one guard in this class and he absolutely helps them.
Speaker 1: And you don't have to deal with the cam Ervan
Speaker 1: experiment at center, which was a failed experiment. You get J. C. Treader,
Speaker 1: who also has had some durability issues. But if up
Speaker 1: and down he's the center from Green Bay was pretty
Speaker 1: good as a starter there. You look at the line
Speaker 1: up and down, they have to figure out who the
Speaker 1: right tackle is. But it is a that is a
Speaker 1: huge jackson that can make a huge jackson offense go.
Speaker 1: He wants to run the ball, they can do that.
Speaker 1: It seems safe if you if you're gonna give someone
Speaker 1: a lot of money, I guess Zeisler is not exciting,
Speaker 1: but exciting. There's there's very little chance. I think that
Speaker 1: that's just like a bust. You steal him, you steal
Speaker 1: him from the Bengals. Yet last last time this happened,
Speaker 1: Eric Steinbuck was a bust for the Browns after stealing
Speaker 1: him from the Ben. I wouldn't say it was he
Speaker 1: was he was solid. He was there with little steinback talk.
Speaker 1: He was older. He was older, little steinback talk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Bengals and you're a fan
Speaker 1: of the Bengals, you're pissed. You can't be happy. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's look at where this team was at the
Speaker 1: end of two thousand fifteen. Bill Poullian said they had
Speaker 1: the strongest roster in the league. John Harball said they
Speaker 1: were the most talented team in the NFL. And then
Speaker 1: that playoff loss to the Steelers happened, And look at
Speaker 1: the team at that point. They had arguably the best
Speaker 1: running best backfield in the NFL, best wide receiver cord
Speaker 1: in the NFL with Marvin Jones and Mohammed Sanu and
Speaker 1: aj Green, one of the best tight ends in the NFL,
Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. Go
Speaker 1: to the other side of the ball. A great secondary
Speaker 1: deep at cornerback and safety, pretty good defensive line, pretty
Speaker 1: good line, but they're worse than almost every single area.
Speaker 1: An offensive line that was top two or three is
Speaker 1: now bottom five. They don't they have nothing to replace
Speaker 1: Whitworth and Zeitler. The backfield has questioned coming they're starting
Speaker 1: a boy a at left tackle. That's the disaster. He
Speaker 1: was terrible at right tack. They're good. It sounds like
Speaker 1: they are a candidate to draft the running back in
Speaker 1: the first round. You also had a string of coordinators,
Speaker 1: three of them that left to become head coaches. You're
Speaker 1: one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL until
Speaker 1: you have a window in the playoffs. You have a window,
Speaker 1: and this is why I love what the Texans are
Speaker 1: doing by embracing the notion that you need a quarterback
Speaker 1: because they are loaded with talent on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. This is your window. It is fleeting, as
Speaker 1: the Bengals show you. The Bengals are not a playoff
Speaker 1: roster right now. I think losing Whitworth, but he's playing
Speaker 1: great and at some point you have guys that are
Speaker 1: your guys, and by all accounts, he was like the
Speaker 1: leader in that offensive line and really the in in
Speaker 1: that team. Started the third most amount of games and
Speaker 1: team history and playing at a high level. And when
Speaker 1: you lose guys like that who want basically want to stay.
Speaker 1: I think like if they had offered him just a
Speaker 1: little guaranteed money into a second I don't know as
Speaker 1: a fan, that's a bummer. They made it awfully hard
Speaker 1: for Whitworth to want to stay because he did want
Speaker 1: to write as a fan. Too bad. How about another
Speaker 1: team from Ohio gets a chance? Yeah, there, they don't
Speaker 1: live in Cleveland. Not a good Andy Dalton could be
Speaker 1: a loser. Well, no, they gave up only six teams
Speaker 1: gave up more sacks than them last year, and now
Speaker 1: you've gone and you've gotten rid of the two good
Speaker 1: parts of the line. Uh. Finally, before we get to
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, please more items. The forty Niners have just
Speaker 1: spent an incredible amount of money, and so I just
Speaker 1: thought that should be noted. I mean, they gave the
Speaker 1: worst contract I think in all of free agency. Was
Speaker 1: the monster deal for Malcolm Smith, who was essentially a
Speaker 1: bust in Oakland on a two year, seven million dollar contract.
Speaker 1: So he got like a three percent raise in San
Speaker 1: Francisco to get below average starting play at that Texans
Speaker 1: Raiders game. I remember thinking, but the one my biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway watching that game live, was, Oh, their entire game
Speaker 1: plan is go after Malcolm Smith like he can't stop
Speaker 1: c J. Fedora Witz and Ryan Griffin like that is
Speaker 1: all they did was pick on Malcolm Smith, who was
Speaker 1: one of the worst coverage linebackers. So I didn't understand that,
Speaker 1: and they just like that Garson move we talked about.
Speaker 1: I think it's good, but it's just a lot of money.
Speaker 1: They were a little too eager to pay more money
Speaker 1: than necessary. Like, Kyle used check is gonna make more
Speaker 1: money probably than any running back in this entire class.
Speaker 1: He's a fullback. Kyle used check. Look, Kyle Shanahan loves fullbacks.
Speaker 1: He uses them. They're very important to his offense. So
Speaker 1: let's get that out of the way. Early use check
Speaker 1: is gonna get more than ten million guarantee. No fullback
Speaker 1: in history has gotten more than two point three million gas, right,
Speaker 1: So that's like why he have to see him as
Speaker 1: much more than a no. I get it, but it
Speaker 1: just shows it's like bad negotiating, Like there if there's
Speaker 1: no other market, Okay, make him to give him five guarantee.
Speaker 1: That's double what's ever been before. Well, he might be
Speaker 1: the most versatile fullback. He's got some h back to him,
Speaker 1: He's got some running back to him. But if he's
Speaker 1: your lee blocker, what was what was so great about
Speaker 1: the Ravens running game. Nothing. If he's such a great
Speaker 1: pass catcher, wouldn't he have a better first down rate
Speaker 1: than other fullbacks? He doesn't so beautiful drive to almost
Speaker 1: beat the Steelers. That's and one of the best games
Speaker 1: of the year is is this a John Lynch shoe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder who it boils down to be.
Speaker 1: I think he's getting the players that Kyle Shanahan wants.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the agents are maybe winning some of the
Speaker 1: battles once they kind of decided who they want. It's like,
Speaker 1: and you probably don't need to get Logan Paulson in
Speaker 1: the building on day one. Maybe wait a few days.
Speaker 1: It's another team with a lot of money to spend two.
Speaker 1: It's true. It reminds it's not the same thing as
Speaker 1: the Raiders when they were overpaying aging talent, because this
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily aging talent. But it's get guys in here.
Speaker 1: Whatever was here was stale and older. We're getting new
Speaker 1: people in all right. And before we get to eight
Speaker 1: o'clock to light. We have a little bit of breaking news.
Speaker 1: Nflprs releasing a statement about Mike Mayock. Double Mike Mayock
Speaker 1: breaking news that he has never had any contact with
Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins. Fascinating. Uh, I think that's interesting. How
Speaker 1: are you guys not into the make Mayok? No? I
Speaker 1: like it. I just didn't. But by the way, reading
Speaker 1: between the lines, yeah, okay, you didn't have any contact
Speaker 1: with the Redskins. Maybe your agent did so that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to have it. You went double breaking
Speaker 1: for Mayok, but you ignored Lawrence Timmins to the Dolphins. Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna throw it into it, said, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get Dan back in the studio at some point here
Speaker 1: he's he's essentially had a full night sleep at this point.
Speaker 1: Per ESPN, Dolphins signing Lawrence Timmins to two year, twelve
Speaker 1: million dollar deal including eleven million and guarantee. Wow, it's
Speaker 1: a little much for Lawrence Timmins. I would not want
Speaker 1: to sign somebody away from the Steelers defense and aging.
Speaker 1: I think you lose in free agency by signing like
Speaker 1: other aging slow linebackers. That's like what the Saints love doing. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's get the middle linebacker like man Titea, who who's
Speaker 1: supposedly visiting that no one else really wants. Well, while
Speaker 1: we're on the Dolphins, you also, I mean, wait a second,
Speaker 1: we have more Dolphins breaking news. This isn't breaking. I
Speaker 1: got breaking news. Jordan Cameron has announced his intention to retire,
Speaker 1: so he'll have played his last down. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was breaking news with the Miami Dolphins, but
Speaker 1: we were here. I thought, go triple breaking news. It's
Speaker 1: never been done before. Andre Branch, three years, nine million,
Speaker 1: a year and a half after you refused to give
Speaker 1: a lady of the a vernon that money. Seems a
Speaker 1: little weird to me, but the Dolphins do weird things.
Speaker 1: They have to be in the news cycle. It seems
Speaker 1: all right. And actually I lied. This wasn't you know this.
Speaker 1: We're moving into the eight o'clock Delight portion of the program,
Speaker 1: but first we're gonna listen to the first guy will
Speaker 1: hear from when we talk about eight o'clock Delight, William Hayes,
Speaker 1: who was traded got traded today. Uh, staple and a
Speaker 1: couple to give a shout out and uh and uh
Speaker 1: and cranky man forgave me the opportunity to play here
Speaker 1: and Gret Williams too, But damn my coffee cup now
Speaker 1: in a moment, that's the Rams version of analytics. Basically,
Speaker 1: he got traded to UH Miami for a move down
Speaker 1: and from the sixth he shouldn't be complaining because he
Speaker 1: keeps his little contract and that might be better than
Speaker 1: he would have done. Anyways, Yeah, I think he's just
Speaker 1: not a fit for Waite Phillips three four defense, Like
Speaker 1: like Williams, all right, let's do a little eight o'clock
Speaker 1: to LFE Ravens. Agree with Brandon Williams. How did this
Speaker 1: get into eight o'clock to light on a fifty four
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, highest paid nose tackle in the league.
Speaker 1: They're also really releasing lart Darius web Mark. I love
Speaker 1: the Ravens freecy period. You get Tony Jefferson, you also
Speaker 1: keep Brandon Williams, someone that would have been a big
Speaker 1: guy to lose. Nice job, Baltimore. They always get it done.
Speaker 1: More guy, top five, don't be a nose tackle, top
Speaker 1: five guy in our top one oh one list, and
Speaker 1: he gets stuck in eight o'clock to light. Julius Peppers
Speaker 1: also can be angry He's a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: He's returning to Carolina at Chris Westley going back home.
Speaker 1: He grew up in Carolina, was a two sports star
Speaker 1: at North Carolina University and started his career. Had an
Speaker 1: NFC Defensive Player of the Year in two thousand. More
Speaker 1: with Carolina, they might have the deepest front seven in
Speaker 1: the NFL. You've got Mario Addison and Cony Eally coming
Speaker 1: off the bench. They are getting aggressive this offseason. I
Speaker 1: don't think Dave Gettelman liked being seven and nine. Rashad Jones,
Speaker 1: this one was under the radar. Signed a five year
Speaker 1: extension to stay with the Miami Dolphins, Mark arguably one
Speaker 1: of the best bus safety in football. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It seems like a no brainer resigning to
Speaker 1: make Miami hasn't been too crazy active. Good job restraint, Tannenbaum,
Speaker 1: although you gave a little too much to Timids Mike
Speaker 1: Hyde signing with the Bills, who also picked up, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of fullbacks on day one, one of the
Speaker 1: most versatile defensive backs in the NFL. Good good pick
Speaker 1: up for the Bills. The Detroit Lions. Let's run it
Speaker 1: back one more time. Released. DeAndre Levy just signed a
Speaker 1: big time extent and a few years ago and then
Speaker 1: couldn't stay healthy, had any issues turns thirty. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Lions, are you know, spending some money. They're getting
Speaker 1: rid of some money. Saints bringing back Nick Fairly, the
Speaker 1: only man to eat himself out of New Orleans and
Speaker 1: into a bigger contract. He had gained weight in New
Speaker 1: Orleans like everyone does. Gets a thirty million dollar deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's coming off the best scene in the season of
Speaker 1: his career. I think the Saints also added some slow linebackers.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that defense is going to I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not sure you want Fairly on a long term,
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar deal. I think you like him when
Speaker 1: he's on the one year hungry deal. In the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, right before that Garoppolo news, he had
Speaker 1: read an article about the fact that Fairly got into
Speaker 1: some sort of public war of words with the beloved
Speaker 1: R and B group Jagged Edge during some public festival.
Speaker 1: You don't want a message. Now, he's a headcase. I
Speaker 1: would have taken Jagged Edge for like a hard rock group.
Speaker 1: I'm more of an h town. And finally, Broncos adding
Speaker 1: ex Cowboys guard Ronald Leary only uh move Broncos are
Speaker 1: really made. Yeah, so your tackles were swinging gates last
Speaker 1: year and you fixed guard. I don't know how that's
Speaker 1: gonna work. That's it. See I shouldn't screaming. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be terrible for people's We missed Dan Hansas before we
Speaker 1: leave the news portion of the show. That's the whole portion.
Speaker 1: There's no more. But I just I've come back to
Speaker 1: us Dan Hansas. I believe the Ostwaller trade is a
Speaker 1: nail in the coffee. Look, Dan was doing this all
Speaker 1: for a bit, or to teach a lesson to handsome Hank.
Speaker 1: But it's a nail in the coffin to anyone who
Speaker 1: used the logic that brock Ostwater led the Texans to playoffs.
Speaker 1: They gave away a second round pick, they invented a
Speaker 1: move to get rid of that. By that you claim
Speaker 1: led them to the play To bring that up when
Speaker 1: he's back in the room, baby, yeah the uh. I
Speaker 1: don't even blame damn. I blame all the thousands of
Speaker 1: Twitter followers that came at me and took Dan's side
Speaker 1: because they lack any semblance of logic. Dan will listen
Speaker 1: to this and he will come in and declare utter
Speaker 1: vengeance on you. Good job. I hope you enjoy your
Speaker 1: Vaca weekend. Well it is something. At least brockt the
Speaker 1: the era has something, because now whenever players get dumped
Speaker 1: for salary, he got bracked. He got that means you
Speaker 1: got bracked. I can't believe. I can't believe we got
Speaker 1: through this in time. Um. Of course, you know, we
Speaker 1: mentioned him so much you would think he was even here.
Speaker 1: That's how much we missed Dan. Unfortunate. Uh, he couldn't
Speaker 1: be you know, with us. So we're we're thinking about him.
Speaker 1: And Uh, the good news is this train rolls on.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on felt like a session of Congress
Speaker 1: that it was long, very enjoyable. But I mean, how
Speaker 1: old am I now? What's happened to him? What's going on? Uh?
Speaker 1: We will be back on Monday, and we'll also be
Speaker 1: on up to the minute lives getting married this we Monday,
Speaker 1: can't be there, gotta be working tomorrow. David Colton just
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's just getting back from the combine.
Speaker 1: It's on you, David, really, Uh, Monday Wednesday, and we
Speaker 1: will have a third show next week. Not sure if
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Thursday or Friday, but until then, everyone
Speaker 1: enjoy their weekend. Everybody for Mark Seessler, Chris Wesley, One
Speaker 1: more Ning and this I'm Greg ros It though, Let's
Speaker 1: see you next week. M h.