Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is working on its mechanics swift.
Speaker 1: Tom House, Welcome back to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I
Speaker 1: am joining in a stadium filled with heroes Kevin Patra
Speaker 1: Connor or Greg Rosenthal, and so I couldn't even do
Speaker 1: it right. It's just so different than how we usually
Speaker 1: do it. I'm Dan, an We're already screwing up this thing.
Speaker 1: The NFL Scouting Combine is set uh to begin. In fact,
Speaker 1: it has right the early stages off the rails. Alright. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been like fifty press conferences, but no worries, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean the on field work, that beautiful Lucas Oil
Speaker 1: Stadium that has not started yet. There's been some bench
Speaker 1: presses and whatnot. I thought when you were gonna say,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna talk about the other special guest coming
Speaker 1: up this show? When is a historic addition that you
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast, sponsored of course by Mr Flames
Speaker 1: Economics class in the Hague, bon Netherlands. Because not only
Speaker 1: do we have the four horsemen here, we have from
Speaker 1: the studio in Culver City, we have Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler who will jump jump in a little bit
Speaker 1: later in the show, and then after a West and
Speaker 1: Cess the Kissing Cousins, we will have land Zerline of
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. One of the draft gurus, a man
Speaker 1: Connor Or, that we we had a drink with at
Speaker 1: the Schuyler's Bar at the Weston yesterday. He told us
Speaker 1: some great stories about Houston and New Orleans. Uh. You
Speaker 1: enjoyed those stories, didn't you, Connor? Yeah? They were my favorite,
Speaker 1: kinder making it clear he remembers nothing about this person
Speaker 1: in the evening. Connor, by the way, again, I think
Speaker 1: we talked about this last year. This is Connor's favorite
Speaker 1: place in the world. If if Sydney back in l A,
Speaker 1: it's Disneyland, for Connor, it's Indianapolis. And I just want
Speaker 1: to share a little to an actual bit of dialogue.
Speaker 1: When I was walking today from the press conferences, which
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to all the coaches and executives. Uh too.
Speaker 1: I think we were going to get lunch. Connor said
Speaker 1: to me, you know one of the places this is
Speaker 1: gonna sound crazy, but one of my favorite places to
Speaker 1: eat here in Indianapolis is that a Native American museum. Uh. Cafeteria.
Speaker 1: They have great chili and cornbread. A real thing, you said,
Speaker 1: My knowledge of din know that my knowledge of this
Speaker 1: town runs deeper than than anything. You know. You're just there,
Speaker 1: you know, being a tourist and happened to stop at
Speaker 1: the cafeteria on the way out. Wanted some chili, and
Speaker 1: you know, everything ended up working out and we got yeah,
Speaker 1: and we and Patrick and Patra also was with us.
Speaker 1: At Connor showed again. We went to Patsy's Is that
Speaker 1: the name of the place, The pizza place na Napolis?
Speaker 1: Excuse me. We went to, of course, the the famous
Speaker 1: cigar bar. These are things that we we checked the
Speaker 1: box every time we come here. And then tonight st
Speaker 1: Almos we get a nice steak, a little us from
Speaker 1: cocktail and the way we go might have a couple
Speaker 1: of ranks too. I'm gonna miss, Yeah, you're gonna miss Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Like I'm already. Like you, you know, when you arrive
Speaker 1: on vacation, you're like it's already, it's almost over. Like
Speaker 1: the second that I got here, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna get to be here very long. Like it's
Speaker 1: there's another true Indianapolis story with Connor or is that
Speaker 1: this was before his time at NFL Media, but easy, young,
Speaker 1: hungry journal looking for work and there was a job
Speaker 1: offer that came his way to be a reporter in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: I believe. And one of the pitches you made to
Speaker 1: here then girlfriend, now fiance and now wife is honey,
Speaker 1: it's an only only an hour drive from Indianapolis. It's
Speaker 1: a heck of a pitch. And she was just like, well,
Speaker 1: why what what does that? How does that make it
Speaker 1: any better? You know, doesn't make it worse? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: didn't like, it didn't seal the deal apparent you know,
Speaker 1: Well everything ended up working out. It did, so you
Speaker 1: get this vacation every year. So a lot to get
Speaker 1: to today. Uh, Like I said, the four of us,
Speaker 1: we'll talk for a bit, then we'll get West and
Speaker 1: Cess then Lancer Line and uh, let's get to it
Speaker 1: because law sid is back in l A and we're
Speaker 1: not gonna Are you there, Sidney, Can you talk to us? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can? Well? Cool, how are you? I'm great? There's
Speaker 1: all sorts of buttons and dud outs to make this possible.
Speaker 1: But we're doing we're doing good. We're going We're great.
Speaker 1: New money is on Mount Rushmore for a reason. Um,
Speaker 1: Mark Brady, who is the head podcast PUBA, knows Sydney's talents. Well,
Speaker 1: this is one of our greatest challenge, a technical masterpiece
Speaker 1: she's gonna put together. I'm gonna put the pressure on,
Speaker 1: you said, because I believe thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: that means a lot. All right, all right, let's get
Speaker 1: into not the news. There's a lot to get to,
Speaker 1: but we want the first thing. We want to share
Speaker 1: what we saw in these last two days. We all
Speaker 1: got to Indie at some point on Tuesday, I believe
Speaker 1: they had the press conferences for the coaches and executives,
Speaker 1: uh in a in a new area space at the
Speaker 1: convention center here, um on Wednesday and Thursday, will be
Speaker 1: some more tomorrow Friday. UM, So Greg, why don't we
Speaker 1: start with you kind of what was maybe your big takeaway,
Speaker 1: the big news what's cooking out here in Indianapolis combine week. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into a quarterback talk a little bit
Speaker 1: later with with you know, West and Mark. But I
Speaker 1: think that's probably the headlines out of here, just that
Speaker 1: the feeling after a few days here and it might
Speaker 1: be might be Polo, it might be trying to put
Speaker 1: yourself in a certain position in terms of leverages, that
Speaker 1: maybe these quarterbacks aren't really gonna change teams as much
Speaker 1: as we think, or at least that's how the teams
Speaker 1: are trying to position. And you know, coaches and gms
Speaker 1: when they're at the podiums, they're not going to give
Speaker 1: away too too much. But they're holding their cards close
Speaker 1: to the vest, and I think teams like Buffalo, for instance,
Speaker 1: are realizing, well, maybe we don't have anything better behind
Speaker 1: door number two. Maybe we're gonna have to keep Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: And even if, even though we don't really see them
Speaker 1: as a franchise quarterback, because if we did, we would
Speaker 1: just say it, we would just say we're we'd love
Speaker 1: to keep them. They just are assuming that a week
Speaker 1: from now they're not going to do any better than
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor, so they might have to keep There's so
Speaker 1: much hot air in the city right now. I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: It's not like n eight degrees outside. They all just
Speaker 1: talk and say nothing. I listened to Sean McVeigh for
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes today and it was like going to coach
Speaker 1: speak university. It was literally he said nothing for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: But he's good. He like looks the reporters always calls
Speaker 1: the reporter by his first name. Um, you know, it's
Speaker 1: very excited. He just didn't there's no substance to well,
Speaker 1: you could read between the lines and some things. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you bring up Kenny Britt, for instance, and they're like,
Speaker 1: he's gonna hit free agency. You know, we're not sure
Speaker 1: if he fits this system or now it's like we
Speaker 1: have no use for Kenny Britt. Uh. Yeah, there's little
Speaker 1: things you can you can look into it. I thought
Speaker 1: the news and this came, Uh Adams chapter of ESPN.
Speaker 1: He's pounding the table with this his tweet from yesterday.
Speaker 1: In a move that will have a ripple effect on
Speaker 1: all QB needy teams, Patriots are not expected to trade
Speaker 1: or back Jimmy Garoppolo, per league sources. Uh. He came
Speaker 1: out again and reported something similar, if not stronger today. Uh,
Speaker 1: you have, you know other reports. Jeff how from the
Speaker 1: Boston Herald reported or said, you know you're hearing these reports.
Speaker 1: But let's not pretend the Patriots are going to hang
Speaker 1: up the phone with team's call. But that is this
Speaker 1: is a major story right now where Garoppolo lands do
Speaker 1: we believe what's going on right now that he might
Speaker 1: be off the market? Does it matter though? I mean
Speaker 1: like when I when I say that by this is
Speaker 1: like Bill Belichick now has this lifetime appointment, and so
Speaker 1: if he keeps him, it's gonna be like classic Bill
Speaker 1: holding on to great players. And then if he trades him,
Speaker 1: it's like classic Bill getting value for departing talent. And
Speaker 1: either way he's not going to be nearly as good
Speaker 1: as he was in this Patriots system. He could probably
Speaker 1: have a serviceable career and and and let's move on. Well,
Speaker 1: I I've said along the Garoppolo his deadline is the draft.
Speaker 1: I never thought he was in play in March. So
Speaker 1: to me, hearing that they're not going to trade him now, like,
Speaker 1: let's see, let's see what the price could be in April.
Speaker 1: In the middle of April, let's see who still needs
Speaker 1: a quarterback then, Like, I think he's kind of last
Speaker 1: in line, behind Glennon and eventually Cutler and Romo and
Speaker 1: all of those guys like Garoppolos, maybe the last guy
Speaker 1: to to get appointed to a team. And if a
Speaker 1: team goes crazy and offers him a couple of high picks.
Speaker 1: Why not? But would it chuck you that much if
Speaker 1: he did stay there? I think. I mean, Brady's will
Speaker 1: get old at some point, and it wouldn't shock if
Speaker 1: they set up a contract where he gets paid like
Speaker 1: a very good backup quarterback. But it's not gonna blow
Speaker 1: possibly next year if Brady did get hurt. That's part
Speaker 1: of Let's also connect the dots a little bit here,
Speaker 1: and I was wrong about hashtag gradual decline or slight decline,
Speaker 1: slight regression. But there is a lot of logic to
Speaker 1: keeping him too, because if you if you kick kick
Speaker 1: the can down the line a year here and you
Speaker 1: decide to hold on to him, yes you're surrendering that
Speaker 1: first round pick or whatever the bounty is, but it
Speaker 1: gives you another year to try to figure out do
Speaker 1: we really want to move forward with Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: his his forties or can do we have someone in
Speaker 1: the house that we could pass the torch to. I think,
Speaker 1: if this really is true, if if the chef the
Speaker 1: report is accurate, and we'll see if it's accurate, I
Speaker 1: think it is a bit of a nod towards the
Speaker 1: Patriots really thinking hard as great as Tom Brady is
Speaker 1: and perhaps not not trusting behind not trusting behind him.
Speaker 1: You've heard those whispers to here s Jake Bristy. Maybe
Speaker 1: Jake Briskett is in somebody that they're in love with,
Speaker 1: even though you would think that they believe in him
Speaker 1: as a young draft pick. Right, come on. I mean
Speaker 1: Belichick was once quoted talking about the one in fifteen
Speaker 1: Colt season in a very derisive way, saying, we we
Speaker 1: don't want to be that team. We don't want to
Speaker 1: lose one player and then our whole team falls apart.
Speaker 1: I think they, you know, quarterback is obviously the most
Speaker 1: important position. I think they want to be in a
Speaker 1: position where if Tom Brady got hurt or something happened,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's a characterist, get suspended again. This guy,
Speaker 1: he's trouble that let's start that one characters that they
Speaker 1: could win a super Bowl, that they would have a
Speaker 1: chance to compete for a championship with Garoppolo. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be very tricky in and maybe this will happen in
Speaker 1: August to work out another contract for Garoppolo, and I
Speaker 1: think that's probably what they would love to do. And
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, could they sign him to a
Speaker 1: three year deal with some sort of option where he
Speaker 1: can get out if would want when he could break
Speaker 1: the bank, probably next year if he just if they
Speaker 1: decided not to trade him. Yeah, he he might not
Speaker 1: want to, but maybe you could build an out into
Speaker 1: the contract where he can opt out or it's incentivized
Speaker 1: if he becomes the starter. Who knows? All right, So
Speaker 1: that's a that's a major story to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: Let's other whisper Saints wide receiver Brandon Cooks name dropped
Speaker 1: as a potential trade target. Uh you heard this late
Speaker 1: last year and now on Thursday, rap Sheet reported that
Speaker 1: Cook's rolling interest at the combine Chris Mortenson also know
Speaker 1: that both the Titans and the Eagles identified as suitors.
Speaker 1: What what do we think about this, Kevin Patrick? Is
Speaker 1: this a move? Why would the Saints want to move Brandon? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's one of their few assets. They need
Speaker 1: to build a defense and they need to build assets,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the few He's He was clear
Speaker 1: that they have to trade for one, and he was
Speaker 1: clearly just runted disgruntled at the end of last year
Speaker 1: after the Rams game when he said, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: closed mouths don't get fed Kathy didn't have a catch.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that they might have gotten a
Speaker 1: little fed up with him once he did that. And
Speaker 1: it's just time to move on and they need to
Speaker 1: get higher draft picks and they need to build a defense.
Speaker 1: They have my boy Michael Thomas in there that can
Speaker 1: be the number one. He's already proving it. Yeah. Ownership, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: of another grown young man. He would like to know that.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'll talk to him. Uh. By the way,
Speaker 1: speaking of Kevin Patrick, a little bit of heat. I mean,
Speaker 1: they have the bench press. They everything needs to be
Speaker 1: blown out. Everything. We're doing this instead of the bench press,
Speaker 1: which I'm disappointed about. And and the combines no difference.
Speaker 1: You know, Opening Day became Gatorade fueled Opening Night. Uh
Speaker 1: or excuse me, Media Day became um Opening Night fueled
Speaker 1: by Gatorade featuring the ex Ambassadors. You know, all these
Speaker 1: things get bigger and bigger. The combines no difference. Now
Speaker 1: the bench press has an audience. They have two sets
Speaker 1: of bleachers set up for people to watch the prospects
Speaker 1: here at the combine. Uh do the bench press? And
Speaker 1: I tweeted out some pictures and jeez, Andrew Siciliano replied
Speaker 1: and said, if the A t N podcast guys are
Speaker 1: involved in a contest, my money's on Chris Westling, which
Speaker 1: which that just means Andrew is all by himself on
Speaker 1: the TV side. He has no idea what's going on
Speaker 1: in the world. That's all. That's all that is. Why
Speaker 1: don't you don't even takes isn't here? Why don't you
Speaker 1: go prove it? Because earlier today I saw some members
Speaker 1: of the media doing the bench press. Is it like pounds?
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. It was, it was
Speaker 1: out there, it was out there. The sicilian will go
Speaker 1: on your whiteboard. Like I said, he's not close enough
Speaker 1: to the to the to the vest. He doesn't mean
Speaker 1: as much Michael Thomas, who Patrick feels a great affinity
Speaker 1: towards um. He is probably at the center of all
Speaker 1: this week. Think why the Saints might feel that he's expendable, right,
Speaker 1: he had a really nice season. I've got another theory. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're kind of not in Drew Brees is little
Speaker 1: clubhouse of boys. Sorry by Jimmy Graham, you might be
Speaker 1: like on your way to a Hall of Famer. See
Speaker 1: you later. Oh, Kenny, Still, what's going on later, Kenny Stills,
Speaker 1: You're out. It's like this is like the Mafia. It's
Speaker 1: like every couple of episodes, just one of the big
Speaker 1: characters in the Sopranos. You're dead. Did you see what
Speaker 1: Drew Brees said after the Jimmy Graham trade. He had
Speaker 1: no idea that's something like that could happen. Not true, alright,
Speaker 1: moving on, Hey, the Jacksonville Jaguars are in the midst
Speaker 1: of attempting to write the ship with Tom Coughlin on
Speaker 1: board now, and you got Doug Marone. When I saw
Speaker 1: Doug Moron by the way I walked past them in
Speaker 1: the hallway, humble brag, and I had kind of forgotten
Speaker 1: that he actually got that job. It's still kind of
Speaker 1: shocked at me that Doug Marrone got this job. But
Speaker 1: that's kind of beside the point, uh Connor or you
Speaker 1: are working on, even if it's in your mind still
Speaker 1: a banger about the power structure, what you had some
Speaker 1: takeaways about what's going on in Jacksonville based on the
Speaker 1: last couple of days here in Indian I think like
Speaker 1: it at first when we all kind of saw it
Speaker 1: coming in there, like we're gonna ship this angry seventy
Speaker 1: year old down here and just like like the whole
Speaker 1: thing is gonna be like a massive hornets nest. But
Speaker 1: the more that I've like talked to people this week,
Speaker 1: like I actually think everybody's got sort of the right
Speaker 1: attitude about it, Like, hey, everyone here, like we can
Speaker 1: learn from one another. Of course, best laid plans, you know,
Speaker 1: you always get disrupted interceptions in the first two weeks
Speaker 1: and that's all out the window. But like, I think
Speaker 1: it's cool to hear like people like I'm excited to
Speaker 1: learn from him, Like he's got some interesting things to
Speaker 1: tell me. And it's it's one of those things that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like lip service, Like okay, was that was
Speaker 1: gonna be my follow up? Like what why do you
Speaker 1: believe that? It's not that? Like it feels different to
Speaker 1: me than like Sean mcveigheing like it's so good to
Speaker 1: have Wade Phillips around, and Wade Phillips is like I
Speaker 1: should be a head coach and this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's old enough to be my grandson. You know.
Speaker 1: It feels like it feels different than the last time
Speaker 1: the Jaguars know al you under with their it's still on,
Speaker 1: you know, and when the Jaguars and the Browns are
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and everyone's like, oh, when did this happen?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm gonna be I'm gonna have pages
Speaker 1: of material. I'm still I'm still amazed. Though I asked,
Speaker 1: you know, in the in that press or whether there
Speaker 1: was a scenario Bordles would even be competing for the job.
Speaker 1: But like every answer at in this week is like
Speaker 1: every every position is open. It's like every position in
Speaker 1: the league is open to competition, except for the Jaguars quarterback.
Speaker 1: Like he brought that up and he's like, no, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really see that. Blake. Blake's our quarter back.
Speaker 1: Got to replace sixty four touchdowns? Were you gonna find?
Speaker 1: Were you gonna find sixty four touchdowns? By baby from compete?
Speaker 1: We I only get to see like once or twice
Speaker 1: a year, and I just want to as I look
Speaker 1: into those big brown eyes, it's so happy. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to see you. It's great to see you. Drinks.
Speaker 1: The brown stuff that rends up is polidge X beating Manton.
Speaker 1: My not State ballet got super purple snubs. So it's
Speaker 1: Connor or Fando today got slow snubs is Landow today, Well,
Speaker 1: who are you kidding me? How about the idea that
Speaker 1: that song becoming a global hit? Lad to you not
Speaker 1: being snubbed and you're here at the combine. I think
Speaker 1: that was part of my plan when I put that
Speaker 1: on your radar. Yeah, you know, I'm thinking, I'm since
Speaker 1: the wearing the Pro Bowl swag right now, So I
Speaker 1: know that's nice something came out of Orlando that was positive,
Speaker 1: that the Pro Bowl skills coming. How about the theory though,
Speaker 1: that the podcast has now turned into essentially when we talk,
Speaker 1: it's a commercial to set up some sort of damn
Speaker 1: singing sound drop, which is the actual show, Like we're
Speaker 1: just here to serve they know. I think every show
Speaker 1: as it goes on, it kind of evolves. And that's
Speaker 1: where we are now, after like four years of kind
Speaker 1: of mostly football talk, a little bit of mirth. You're
Speaker 1: You're nailing it. I'm sucking whatever I can out of
Speaker 1: this and I'm getting a much better gig. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be fantastic. Um, here's some other here's some other information
Speaker 1: that you need to know. You know, some teams have
Speaker 1: good quarterback situations. Some teams have bad quarterback situations. The
Speaker 1: forty Niners actually don't have a quarterback situation. Yeah. Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: his new agents told all thirty two teams on Tuesday
Speaker 1: that he will be opting out of his contract with
Speaker 1: the forty Niners. This according to rap She he was
Speaker 1: due to make almost seventeen million in salary and bonuses
Speaker 1: in seen. This news comes just one week after new
Speaker 1: GM John lynch Um said Kaepernick left the team facility
Speaker 1: quote excited following a quote positive discussion and called me, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, this leaves no quarterbacks under contract. That
Speaker 1: was the point I was getting to in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: cole quarterback was somewhat liberating somewhere to have no quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that I won't feel that way, uh come September probably,
Speaker 1: But and I didn't think it was necessarily. It felt
Speaker 1: a little bit of a coincidence and not to uh
Speaker 1: to undercut what Kaepernick did with the kneeling uh during
Speaker 1: the national anthem and the and the statement he was
Speaker 1: trying to make. And I think it actually led to
Speaker 1: some discussion, which was good. But I also didn't find it.
Speaker 1: I found it a little bit coincidental that today there
Speaker 1: was a report that Colin Kaepernick plans to stand from
Speaker 1: national anthem next year. So just in case any of
Speaker 1: you team owners Buffalo, you know, you know, you you
Speaker 1: right leaning team owners don't want me in your building,
Speaker 1: I'll stand for the national anthem. I thought that was
Speaker 1: a little little a little bit of a coincidence. You're
Speaker 1: questioning the man's integrity, but he does have to go
Speaker 1: get some money, you know, Lynch said, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was total lip service. He said that the door
Speaker 1: was open for Kaepernick to return in a very real way,
Speaker 1: was his words, and my the way I took that
Speaker 1: was if he doesn't get any other jobs, he could
Speaker 1: probably come back there on like a one year, three
Speaker 1: million dollar contract. They they essentially said that they're going
Speaker 1: to bring in a veteran and a rookie, which almost
Speaker 1: goes without saying because they need to add about three
Speaker 1: or four and that Kaepernick could basically be one of
Speaker 1: two veterans or something like that. In my mind, which
Speaker 1: says he's not falling out of the league. I don't
Speaker 1: think the question is for me is where is that
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback coming? Is it coming with the number two pick?
Speaker 1: Do they like someone enough in this draft? Or is
Speaker 1: that going to kick the can down the road and
Speaker 1: be like, we don't really like any of these guys,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna make have just played bad again for
Speaker 1: another year and then I hope somebody falls in our
Speaker 1: lap next year. I'm just still trying to imagine this
Speaker 1: scenario where like you walk in already as someone believed
Speaker 1: to be an unqualified general manager, and then you're asked
Speaker 1: to talk to reporters to the scout in combine with
Speaker 1: zero quarterbacks. Just like what we worried. He really sound
Speaker 1: and someone else pointed this out on Twitter. He really
Speaker 1: sounded like a color analyst sometimes talking about the players,
Speaker 1: because he was like, you know, Deshaun Kaiser, the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame quarterback, he came in there and he blew the
Speaker 1: doors off our interview, and I was like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is cool. I actually hope that going around the league
Speaker 1: a few times doesn't make him hardened and bid, because
Speaker 1: that's how Matt Millen sounded when he first started. If
Speaker 1: I remember that, he was very forthcoming and like was
Speaker 1: just all fired about the rookie quarterbacks and was saying,
Speaker 1: like why each one was good? He was at you know,
Speaker 1: he was actually giving a lot of information, and I
Speaker 1: just get the same like he's gonna that's going to
Speaker 1: be maybe not physically or maybe physically, And get the
Speaker 1: sense Kyle Shannahan's picking these qbs. Maybe that's why it's lebrating,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get three qps he wants. You would
Speaker 1: you would assume he's the guy picking. As a television
Speaker 1: analyst that he repeatedly refer to the NFL's the National
Speaker 1: Football League. UM one last note spinning back to we're
Speaker 1: talking about Garoppolo and what's next with him. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns are a team that are in the mark
Speaker 1: in the market for a quarterback, or so we think.
Speaker 1: Sashi Um said at one point this week that there
Speaker 1: is a scenario, I guess where all three of the
Speaker 1: current quarterbacks on the roster named the m'connor, Kevin Hogan,
Speaker 1: Robert Griffin, and that could be their big three. Seen.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody buys that. In fact, Mike Silver
Speaker 1: believes that the that the Browns are hoping. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying Myles Garrett number one
Speaker 1: to the Browns and then they hope to get a
Speaker 1: quarterback at number twelve. If he's there if use guys there.
Speaker 1: But anyway, everyone's asking um Brown's management about the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: And and Jimmy Garoppolo, who's property of another team, not
Speaker 1: Kevin patra Um is a guy he can't actually talk about,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean people are asking about it. We're
Speaker 1: going to ask him about it anyway. This is what
Speaker 1: we heard. Imagine going into the next scene without yes,
Speaker 1: why why would why anythink that would like do you
Speaker 1: think why would you think that? Why would you think
Speaker 1: that could be? And then he like paused and then
Speaker 1: he was good, that did you ask that question? No,
Speaker 1: it was I got a hero fantastic. What was Sashi's reply, Well,
Speaker 1: I think, like you know, the company line, which I
Speaker 1: think they came prepared for, was like, we just have
Speaker 1: to be prepared for that possibility, like if the draft
Speaker 1: totally happened, blindsides us, we just have to be ready
Speaker 1: just in case this happens. But like the Browns Press
Speaker 1: Corps has completely stripped away any niceties. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone was with me, Hugh Jackson and someone
Speaker 1: just said, like, your right tackle sucks, what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do about? You know? And every just like totally unhinged.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. The honeymoon period is definitely over. Uh, and
Speaker 1: they'll need results and that's why they need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And and like they were talking about Mitch Drabinski who today,
Speaker 1: which was apparently big news. And when they brought up
Speaker 1: that up to Hugh, he was like his eyes lit up.
Speaker 1: He's all excited. I'm happy and he basically it's like that,
Speaker 1: that's kind of my line is six to Like I
Speaker 1: need quarterbacks to be six to another. Meanwhile, one of
Speaker 1: the guys on his roster, Cody Kessler, is six. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't have to read between the lines there, it's
Speaker 1: right there. All right, let's now that's kind of some
Speaker 1: of the one. We'll continue to to bring back things
Speaker 1: that we've heard and all that stuff. Um, but let's
Speaker 1: now move on and do some news. Since the last time,
Speaker 1: we haven't done a show since Monday, so a lot
Speaker 1: to catch up on solid Let's do some news. Is
Speaker 1: Daddy ever coming back? No BLSA tones of the Great
Speaker 1: Mark SASA will be hearing from him a little bit later.
Speaker 1: Let's start with news out of New York. Their last podcast,
Speaker 1: I think we talked about the the end of the
Speaker 1: road for Nick Mangold in New York and now it's
Speaker 1: Darrell Darrell Rivas's turn to say goodbye. The Jets informed
Speaker 1: Revus of his impending release, the team announced on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: not a surprise move after Revas suffered through just a
Speaker 1: dreadful season and then on top of it which did
Speaker 1: not help matters, even though Todd Bowl said it did
Speaker 1: not factor into the release. At the combine, he got
Speaker 1: ar reigned on five criminal charges UH connected to some
Speaker 1: type of brawl earlier this month. So the Jets say
Speaker 1: goodbye to Revas. Ending um Greg Rosenthal a failure of
Speaker 1: an experiment, not an experiment of a reunion between player
Speaker 1: and team. It was a bad idea when they signed him.
Speaker 1: And I think the contract that Darrell Reevas signed, it's
Speaker 1: interesting that his whole career, he's always looking for that
Speaker 1: next pay day to to maximize his value in a
Speaker 1: league which is set up against players maximizing his value
Speaker 1: their value. And Revs did a better job just about
Speaker 1: than anyone throughout his career. And part of that was
Speaker 1: he got the Jets to give him this final contract
Speaker 1: that guaranteed six million dollars with offset language and the
Speaker 1: money into next year. And I think that contract, which
Speaker 1: is player friendly, is ultimately going to retire Darrell Rivas
Speaker 1: a year early. If that, if there was no offset
Speaker 1: language in that money, and Durrell Rivas could double dip
Speaker 1: this year where he could make salaries from two teams,
Speaker 1: then he'd continue playing. But that salary is six million dollars.
Speaker 1: I know we'll get to that in a second six
Speaker 1: million dollars. So Vas would have to find another team
Speaker 1: willing to pay him more than six million dollars, or
Speaker 1: essentially he would decide to play football for free that
Speaker 1: the Jets would save some money. He would be doing
Speaker 1: the Jets of favor by playing, and he would be
Speaker 1: essentially playing for free. And who's playing who is less
Speaker 1: likely to play football for free than Durrell Rivas. He's
Speaker 1: done it all. Put a sandwich on it. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be a delicious sandwich. I hope I can have
Speaker 1: it out here and Indianapolis because there's a lot m no.
Speaker 1: But the thing about Darrell Reevis is I think this
Speaker 1: is a different person. I think when he signed that
Speaker 1: last Jets contract, one of the big talking points from
Speaker 1: his camp was trying to tone down that mercenary image.
Speaker 1: And I think it was something that you know, especially now,
Speaker 1: if he decides that this is what he wants to do,
Speaker 1: Money's not a factor, and at this point your legacy
Speaker 1: is kind of what's left hanging in the bounds. He's
Speaker 1: already he's rehired an agent, and he's and he's lost
Speaker 1: twenty pounds. He had twenty to lose. That's all right.
Speaker 1: Let me and here's another counterpoint, because I if you
Speaker 1: want to throw around some sandwiches, I might take you
Speaker 1: up on it as well. If you really think he's
Speaker 1: gonna retire, he had he. I don't know who this
Speaker 1: version of Darrell Revers was the one that that we've
Speaker 1: seen the last year. Because the guy that whose play
Speaker 1: fell off the cliff, whose effort was questioned, who who
Speaker 1: said some things uh in the media that left you
Speaker 1: shaking your head and then got arrested. That guy is
Speaker 1: in complete can flicked uh and and a clash with
Speaker 1: the guy that I knew and followed closely his entire career,
Speaker 1: a guy that was a brilliant athlete, a guy that
Speaker 1: was a tireless worker, a guy that used to get
Speaker 1: mad at guys on the practice field. The practice squad
Speaker 1: guys if they didn't give him enough of a challenge.
Speaker 1: He studied the tape. He was never the fastest guy,
Speaker 1: but he was so great with the tape study. I
Speaker 1: think there's there's a very real chance that he wants
Speaker 1: to go out on a better note than this, because
Speaker 1: he's kind of going out in a disgraceful way where
Speaker 1: it's a season where people are making fun of him
Speaker 1: about Revis Island. He's a prideful guy. So as much
Speaker 1: as I can't make sense of this last year of revas,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule him out trying to write his career
Speaker 1: somehow and go out in a better way, and especially
Speaker 1: in that market. I mean talk radio every day, Like
Speaker 1: you know, John from Orange County like calls in and
Speaker 1: it's like just buried his boem, you know, and like
Speaker 1: it's at some point I think that all he internalizes
Speaker 1: that that that there should be pride, But there's also
Speaker 1: the pride of that he knows he's an all time great.
Speaker 1: And when you're out there and you can't play like that,
Speaker 1: that that's tough to deal with. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to just where is he gonna put jag? He's
Speaker 1: not making my whole thing. He's not making the six million.
Speaker 1: No even what position is he gonna play. He talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps moving to safety during the season, which
Speaker 1: I thought was weird during the season that he would
Speaker 1: contemplate that and then Todd Bowls even today sounded a
Speaker 1: little skeptical that whether that he could have made that transition.
Speaker 1: It's maybe not as easy as we think it might be. Balls. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Ducks is I don't know what happened here. He skipped
Speaker 1: the General Scouting Combined press conference and then did some
Speaker 1: early morning session with locals. He's feeling the heat bringe, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is. I'm sure, I'm sure he has
Speaker 1: feeling the heat. It's not it's not an easy market
Speaker 1: to coach in. And that's the other thing, Like, you're right,
Speaker 1: it was not the right signing in retrospect, but I
Speaker 1: always thought that he would kind of age gracefully and
Speaker 1: have a Champ Bailey type career, and I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody really anticipated it. The Jets have a lot of
Speaker 1: egg on their face, but it kind of was a
Speaker 1: stunning and by the way, a true Jet move would
Speaker 1: he does get the fireback loses twenty pounds, signs with
Speaker 1: another team and goes to another Super Bowl, maybe returns
Speaker 1: to the Patriots on a low cost. You I can
Speaker 1: see that that would be great. You know, he is
Speaker 1: a first ballot Hall of Famer, though that gets thrown
Speaker 1: around a lot. He is one of the beast the
Speaker 1: best defensive players. So you're trying to eulogize the man
Speaker 1: right now, he'll be back. You called it, Greg and
Speaker 1: your debrief column, which everyone should check out, I think
Speaker 1: was franchise death day. What was the franchise player doom day?
Speaker 1: Franchise legend departure day? Because Jamal Charles, in the same
Speaker 1: day that Darrell Rivas's Jets career ended, the Chiefs released
Speaker 1: the thirty year old running back. Uh. This is a
Speaker 1: player who has had knee injuries and missed a great
Speaker 1: part of the last two years. And I happened to
Speaker 1: be um standing right underneath the great underrated. Uh. That
Speaker 1: was very trump the great underrated Uh Andy Reid, uh
Speaker 1: big Bigley. And he said he he called um Jamal
Speaker 1: Charles dirty, tough. I thinks what he's the way he
Speaker 1: described him, called him a Hall of Famer and wished
Speaker 1: him well. Uh. And it's the end of the road
Speaker 1: for Jamal Charles, what kind of market I think. I
Speaker 1: think I threw him out there, Greg when you were
Speaker 1: talking about the top one on one. Where did he
Speaker 1: end up falling? When you and West did your tabulations around.
Speaker 1: I believe I had him in the sixties. To me,
Speaker 1: his ceiling is kind of a useful role player. So
Speaker 1: do you really want him more than le Garrett Blunt
Speaker 1: for instance, or even Latavious Murray. I don't see the
Speaker 1: ceiling being too high, and the realities he's played like
Speaker 1: a handful of games in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I guess the counter is yes, the the injuries the
Speaker 1: last two years. He was as good as ever the
Speaker 1: last time we saw him healthy, So it wasn't like
Speaker 1: he was going into de gone and then got hurt.
Speaker 1: He was still a top three running back in the league.
Speaker 1: There's just not a lot of trucks for it. For
Speaker 1: thirty one year old who had a d combined carries
Speaker 1: over two years coming back and being great. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna depend on what kind of price he's willing
Speaker 1: to pay out and play out I mean, and then
Speaker 1: by that I mean low price and the fit and
Speaker 1: I think Doug Paterson already said that the Eagles will
Speaker 1: evaluate him if he's healthy. That's a fit to me.
Speaker 1: I mean they need death there. If Ryan Matthews is
Speaker 1: gone and he knows that offense at least somewhat. I mean,
Speaker 1: these injuries don't just go back these two years. He's
Speaker 1: had injuries throughout his career. We're here in Lucas Oil
Speaker 1: Stadium and I was thinking of the last time that
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were in a shootout in this stadium and
Speaker 1: Jamal Charles was hurt in that game. They couldn't rely
Speaker 1: on them. When they're going back and forth and Alex
Speaker 1: Smith is putting up points, then you're just burying all
Speaker 1: the legends by them all. Jeez, time waits for no man. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not the one who said some guy was his boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a little too much. Mr Patra at literal.
Speaker 1: In other legend news, Adrian Peterson looks like he's headed
Speaker 1: else where. The Vikings won't pick up his two thousand
Speaker 1: seventeen option. He was set to count eighteen million against
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings salary cap next season. Um So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it a surprise. Uh Rick Spielman said, in
Speaker 1: a statement on Tuesday that Adrian is an important part
Speaker 1: of the Minnesota Vikings organization. I think he said at
Speaker 1: the combine that they haven't closed the door on him
Speaker 1: potentially returning, but this feels like the end of the road, right.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy the report that said basically said, Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson doesn't understand why people don't think he's still a
Speaker 1: great running like could could be still a great running back,
Speaker 1: And like this whole time, he's been like, well, here's
Speaker 1: my wish list of team once I get cut, and
Speaker 1: it's just like giants give me a call and they're like,
Speaker 1: we don't we run out of the shotguns, So probably not,
Speaker 1: you know, And uh, there seems to be like a
Speaker 1: little bit of misplaced arrogance at this point. I think
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Sometimes the last guy to know that
Speaker 1: he's not the same guy anymore is that guy, which
Speaker 1: it makes it tough dealing with more recently than then
Speaker 1: Charles for instance. I mean, I know he missed all
Speaker 1: the last year, but the year before he led the
Speaker 1: league in yards and touch rushing touchdowns. But what offense
Speaker 1: is he gonna fit in? And I think listening to
Speaker 1: Bock Bielman like perhaps, and could the Cowboys if they're
Speaker 1: if he's willing to take a lower deal. But I
Speaker 1: look listening to Spirits Spielman. He said he was in
Speaker 1: you know, the room with Pat Schurmer discussing like what
Speaker 1: kind of running backs they want, And if you're having
Speaker 1: those discussions, it probably means you want a guy that
Speaker 1: you can play out of the shotgun more have that
Speaker 1: quick passing game, and he can be more involved in
Speaker 1: the past game. And Peterson was only really good out
Speaker 1: of the shotgun. I'm a fan of his I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of his dad being heavily involved in all this,
Speaker 1: Like his dad is getting quoted in every paper. His
Speaker 1: dad was breaking down why it would be nice to
Speaker 1: play with Aaron Rodgers, like in the in the Green
Speaker 1: Bay papers, it's it's fantastic one sneaky landings about that
Speaker 1: I kind of like, And I'm looking at Chris Wesley
Speaker 1: wrote a nice piece of potential landing spot um and
Speaker 1: I like the Raiders as a sneaky spot where ape
Speaker 1: he could Landtavius Murray is headed towards free agency. Not
Speaker 1: not a game changing talent there, even if he's had
Speaker 1: his moments and it feels like a move the Raiders
Speaker 1: would do to bring this this um great all pro
Speaker 1: in and try to ring a couple more years out
Speaker 1: of him. And they're a team that's not far away.
Speaker 1: I would love that. I also remember Jeff Darlington, our
Speaker 1: former colleagues report that the Vikings, I think he said,
Speaker 1: would be willing to pay him up to six million
Speaker 1: dollars plus incentives. I don't know if he's going to
Speaker 1: get more than that elsewhere because of sentimentality and just
Speaker 1: his history there. If they're willing to do that, he
Speaker 1: might end up back in Minnesota. I liked what black
Speaker 1: Jack del Rio had to say to UH during his
Speaker 1: press availability. UH he was asked, what what have I
Speaker 1: learned about or what did you learn from the sixteen season?
Speaker 1: Said do we have that? Yeah, don't lose your quarterback?
Speaker 1: That's right. It huge monkey wrench in the playoffs for
Speaker 1: outside fan, UH, here's bummed they lost the quarterback. Sort
Speaker 1: of a shot against the bow though from Scranton native
Speaker 1: Matt McLoyd, who did he could to UH to get
Speaker 1: in there and make it happen. I will never understand
Speaker 1: why they didn't put old Maddie McGee back you know,
Speaker 1: into that into this road again a playoff game. No,
Speaker 1: we don't need to jack Jack Doria though, you know,
Speaker 1: carries himself like a man who just got a four
Speaker 1: year conscience. I mean he's got the hair. I think
Speaker 1: that you would admire Dan present a presence. You know,
Speaker 1: Connor has been very impressed. He thinks John always, you know,
Speaker 1: the most handsome general manager in the league. I n
Speaker 1: cuts a striking figure. I learned a lot about Connor's
Speaker 1: type from whose his statement that was sent a text
Speaker 1: wide text to everyone associated with around the NFL media.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that he you found him to be just
Speaker 1: deeply attract less. Seat is pissed somewhere. I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: I said to him, because then we have this conversation
Speaker 1: as less Sled was twenty feet away from us in
Speaker 1: the middle of his press conference. Uh Less, you know,
Speaker 1: looking like a character out of like a ABC dramedy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, tall, handsome in the suit, and you're just like, no,
Speaker 1: I need I need somebody stronger, you want somebody And
Speaker 1: then I literally that gave me the image of h
Speaker 1: John Elway carrying Connor across the threshold like a little baby.
Speaker 1: This conversation is gonna be super beneficial for my career.
Speaker 1: Um now, but elway, you know what he he strolled
Speaker 1: in yesterday plaid on plaid, like plaid vest on plaid,
Speaker 1: pulled it off like a champion. I mean that's hard
Speaker 1: to do. You gotta strike a certain figure to do that. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit some news quickly here. Uh it's the
Speaker 1: end of the line. And this you talked about free agency.
Speaker 1: We're getting all hyped up about who's the best free agent.
Speaker 1: Jari's Bird remember that name? Yeah, I ruse bired bired
Speaker 1: once upout a time. He was the number one free agent,
Speaker 1: I believe on a top one oh one or the
Speaker 1: Saints gave him big money following season. It never were
Speaker 1: down and Rob Sheet reported Tuesday that Saints will release
Speaker 1: the veteran the veteran safety when free agent begins. Free
Speaker 1: agency begins next week. He played three years in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and really, I mean, greg, he never made a
Speaker 1: play and he barely played the first two years and
Speaker 1: he was just kind of there this season. The failures
Speaker 1: in free agency of Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis has
Speaker 1: been largely largely ignored, like they've gotten a pass maybe
Speaker 1: not in New Orleans, but they have. They're right there
Speaker 1: with the worst front offices in the league. I think
Speaker 1: I like that he was sort of the centerpiece of
Speaker 1: that discard you think. I think they they've had a
Speaker 1: they've had a top five quarterback, and they haven't had
Speaker 1: a winning season three years, seven and nine. He was
Speaker 1: like the centerpiece of the discord between like Rob Ryan
Speaker 1: on his way out and like the rest of the
Speaker 1: team was like, let's let him shine, like let him
Speaker 1: play center field and then just build a defense around it.
Speaker 1: And then Rob just had an epic meltdown. Um and
Speaker 1: other news. Um, what is some other news the old
Speaker 1: Zeuster is looking for right now? Oh? Eric Berry and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs they got a deal done, which I was
Speaker 1: very relieved about. I'm sure they were, as well as
Speaker 1: well as Eric Berry. A seventy eight million over six
Speaker 1: years with forty million and guarantees. This was promising to
Speaker 1: be perhaps the most tedious summer storyline. Uh and Eric
Speaker 1: Berry ugly holdout situation. Instead, the Chiefs get get the
Speaker 1: job done. Uh. Patricks, this's a good deal. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of money to give it to a twenty year
Speaker 1: old safety, but he's he was worth every dollar last year.
Speaker 1: He was worth every dollar last year, and uh Andy
Speaker 1: Reid said yesterday he's the heartbeat of the defense, and
Speaker 1: I think he proved that. I mean, you saw what
Speaker 1: he did. He basically beat the Falcons in that game
Speaker 1: on the road. He's the playmaker from that that secondary
Speaker 1: that they need so they can plain press coverage up top.
Speaker 1: He can come down in the box. He can really
Speaker 1: do it all. The only question was the was the
Speaker 1: health issue. And it came a day before they cut
Speaker 1: Jamal Charles and they only have room for so many players.
Speaker 1: But also came a day after they gave a forty
Speaker 1: one million dollar contract to Laurent DuVernay Tardif, whoa good
Speaker 1: for you. It was still at McGill Medical School right now.
Speaker 1: So that shows you. You know, the game waits for
Speaker 1: no one when you're signing du Burnai Tardif to a
Speaker 1: huge contract and then you're cutting a legend like Jamal Charles.
Speaker 1: But McGill a fine institution where my brother went to schools.
Speaker 1: The only reason you wanted I would say that. You
Speaker 1: say that the podcast is evolving into this thing where
Speaker 1: I'm just setting up different bits. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's evolving to a place whereight just where you
Speaker 1: can get two lane references in in various college memories
Speaker 1: of yours and every tower Greg anytime I can get
Speaker 1: Duvernai Tardif And but Steelers signed James Harrison to two year,
Speaker 1: three and a half million dollar deal. He is unkillable
Speaker 1: and now literally is uh you wanna do a little
Speaker 1: tag talk tag talk, Let's do it, and we'll start
Speaker 1: with the big one. Because the Redskins put the exclusion
Speaker 1: some franchise tag on Kirk Cousins Washington. Uh. I know
Speaker 1: Sid likes that because Sid is weighing our Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: And in the most Kirk Cousins tweet ever, uh, he
Speaker 1: sent out after the announcement, tag I'm at so I'll
Speaker 1: get it there. There was like a you know when
Speaker 1: you were a kid and you played that game. They
Speaker 1: started playing that with the franchise tag thing. It's clever,
Speaker 1: it's clever. But Cousins tender is expected to be valued
Speaker 1: at at twenty three point nine for million dollars of
Speaker 1: his salar, which I believe was nineteen point nine five
Speaker 1: million dollars. This is crazy. What are they gonna do
Speaker 1: if he has a capable season next year, and like
Speaker 1: the floor on an long term deal is like twenty
Speaker 1: seven million dollars a year. Like, there's no possible way.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna touch. We're gonna dig in on
Speaker 1: the Redskins and and their strategy or lack thereof with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins later. But I mean you would think that
Speaker 1: they're going to try to get get something done. But
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. It's a weird situation. He's
Speaker 1: got no real reason to sign anything less than that
Speaker 1: either per year. I mean play under the tag. He
Speaker 1: just did it last year. It's still gonna be a
Speaker 1: dearth on Cubi market when he hits it next year.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna get paid sooner or later. He's got all.
Speaker 1: He's got all the chips. We'll get more into that
Speaker 1: a little bit later. Other tag talk Chargers place franchise
Speaker 1: tag on Melvin Ingram. You like that move? Greg? I
Speaker 1: do how you doing with your predictions? I think you're
Speaker 1: doing well. Your friends very well. I guess it's over with.
Speaker 1: You have to check. There was only seven, so I
Speaker 1: think I had one had a couple off, but not
Speaker 1: not too bad. I think they're really going to try
Speaker 1: to sign him long term. Listening to Tom Talsco, their
Speaker 1: general manager, talk about you know what an impact he
Speaker 1: he is downded down, including against the run. They also
Speaker 1: said they they're going to try and they sounded pretty
Speaker 1: confident about bringing Danny woodhead back. Who's the rams uh
Speaker 1: will hold on to Tremaine Johnson the non exclusive franchise
Speaker 1: tag on the veteran cornerback he's gonna make if he
Speaker 1: plays under this almost seventeen million year. Kevin Patrick has
Speaker 1: a lot of money for Trueman Johnson. It is a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and unless said today that they want
Speaker 1: to see how he fits with wait phillips. So you're
Speaker 1: paying a guy seventeen million, you're not sure how well
Speaker 1: he's gonna fit, So they're barely gonna talk about a
Speaker 1: long term extension until after the year. Then you're either
Speaker 1: paid a guy seventeen million for an average year, average
Speaker 1: poor year if he doesn't fit well, or you're screwed
Speaker 1: next year when you can't tag him. We got the
Speaker 1: third time. This is a move of he's kind of
Speaker 1: like a league average starting cornerback, but that's worth a lot,
Speaker 1: and they just they've already lost they're probably gonna lose
Speaker 1: t J. McDonald to Greg Williams Is Browns. You know,
Speaker 1: he goes to Cleveland. He's gonna take a player who
Speaker 1: doesn't really fit into Wade Phillips system, and that means
Speaker 1: they'll have lost three good starters in the last two years.
Speaker 1: So they're just kind of desperate and you gotta keep
Speaker 1: And they're paying a lot of money to like guys
Speaker 1: like Mark Baron in Tavon Austin and Ogle Trees. All right,
Speaker 1: he's at the top of Mark. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of guys who are just like okay, and they're getting
Speaker 1: ten twelve million dollars. That team is butt and they
Speaker 1: they they have a nineteen year old head coach too,
Speaker 1: that could be a problematic. And one one person that
Speaker 1: did not get the franchise tag dot to High Tower,
Speaker 1: who of course um stalwart on that Patriots defense made
Speaker 1: a huge play, the game changing play in Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty one, the sack strip, and was basically a dominant
Speaker 1: player the Patriots. The side with a lot of other
Speaker 1: needs and uh people to take care of. Not to
Speaker 1: use the franchise tag, Greg, Uh, you upset that Tower
Speaker 1: probably will not be a Patriot This is a rare case.
Speaker 1: I think they could get a long term deal done
Speaker 1: right before free agency starts, are right as it starts,
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be in the mix. That they probably
Speaker 1: thought the right like, they either wanted a long term
Speaker 1: deal or nothing, and they probably thought this was the
Speaker 1: right way to approach. That They've done this with a
Speaker 1: few guys that they really believe in. You think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a value Connor, I do, But every player
Speaker 1: on this team has Stockholm syndrome. It's amazing. They're like, sorry, Bill, sorry,
Speaker 1: antisted free agency, let me come back and sign for
Speaker 1: three million dollars a year instead of ten, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what's gonna happen. Everyone's just gonna everyone's really
Speaker 1: scared of that. They're gonna get treated to the Browns
Speaker 1: and they're all just gonna stay on this roster forever.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of There are a lot
Speaker 1: of Bellichick Billichick. It's in other teams, Bob Quentin being
Speaker 1: one of them. And the Lions need a linebacker. I
Speaker 1: was there when they drafted. Bring him to Cleveland and
Speaker 1: team them up with Jamie Collins. Tennessee. Tennessee has a
Speaker 1: former Patriot. You know the Bucks, they're pretty good at linebacker.
Speaker 1: But how about you answer to the Stockholm syndrome um charge.
Speaker 1: So you're the charges that they get so used to
Speaker 1: winning champion you know, championships that they just can't bear
Speaker 1: to not do that. That that's like a habit. You
Speaker 1: take the fun out of everything. All right, here you go.
Speaker 1: Now it's time to say goodbye. It's hard to say goodbye,
Speaker 1: but we have so much to get to today. Uh
Speaker 1: so Connor Or and Kevin Patra Uh now you m
Speaker 1: vacate your seats. Wait? Are we able to have all
Speaker 1: six on that you want to try it? I mean
Speaker 1: just I mean just for like, I really don't want
Speaker 1: to be a minute or two, you know where it's everyone.
Speaker 1: I think it would be a record of around the
Speaker 1: end of a host at one time. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is technically possible, Sydney, is that possible? It
Speaker 1: is technically possible. We'll see how this goes. You're ready
Speaker 1: ready to bring bring him in. Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1: You should really just kick us out of here. We're
Speaker 1: going to just a couple of minutes. I'm glad Patrick
Speaker 1: stayed on because I have purchased a whiteboard and accepted
Speaker 1: his challenge. Okay, what do we what are you doing
Speaker 1: when you dismissed me in the bench press comments, you
Speaker 1: dismissed yourself. You said you had a tone rotator cuff.
Speaker 1: I was just quoting, no, no, no no, no, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: next I'm sitting next to Christmas while you guys been
Speaker 1: out there drinking your beers, eating your shrimp stuff in
Speaker 1: the food in your face. Chris Wesleyan has been back
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles. His body is absolutely on a
Speaker 1: fire right now. Good luck taking him on any sort
Speaker 1: of athletic competition. Any of you, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Any manager? That was the I'll
Speaker 1: take you in cross country running West. That's not a sport, Greg, alright,
Speaker 1: well this was This is just greg S instincts were
Speaker 1: proven right. This was an amazing conversation between the six
Speaker 1: of illuminating. So Connor, goodbye, I'll see you say no
Speaker 1: most tonight. I can't believe I'm leaving this place, all right,
Speaker 1: see you, Connor, I mean Kevin Patra white board. Baby.
Speaker 1: The challenge has been laid out. The gaunt let is
Speaker 1: thrown a couple of heath Evans is in training them.
Speaker 1: All right now we welcome in officially, Chris Wesley and
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. How are you? How how you boys doing
Speaker 1: back in l A. We're holding it down well, tell
Speaker 1: us stories, not much to tell. I mean you you
Speaker 1: kind of know what the vibe is here. You you
Speaker 1: come in, you sit down at your desk, you do work.
Speaker 1: That's sort of what what's unfolded for the two of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw it. There were some like you live here,
Speaker 1: I do live there. Um, I saw some. I always
Speaker 1: enjoy the Mark Sessler tweets that that are really out there.
Speaker 1: But the ones recently, there have been a couple of
Speaker 1: recently I've been really flying high on. I've really enjoyed them. Um,
Speaker 1: trying to look it up right now. There was one
Speaker 1: particularly that I was hoping maybe we could get some
Speaker 1: clarity on. I want to look it up right now.
Speaker 1: Is it the one that engined ended in ancient Egypt?
Speaker 1: I think that might have been a different one. The
Speaker 1: one I was looking at was good that we have
Speaker 1: a teed right up? All right, here's one. This was
Speaker 1: from eighteen hours ago. Teletype burns bright backslapping in Vogue,
Speaker 1: well fed souped up clown types will be scattered to
Speaker 1: the western wind, and then emoji of a tree of
Speaker 1: some kind. Any insight, there no idea what that means.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember typing it. Are we the are we?
Speaker 1: The telets type souped up? What is it? I don't know? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not referring to you, Greg Um. All right, there
Speaker 1: was another one, but so many tweets on Mark Speed
Speaker 1: because he's been um pounding away back at the home office.
Speaker 1: And now, gentlemen, um, let's talk about um. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the QB market. Why don't we a nice little
Speaker 1: segment between the four heroes here? Uh, and we'll do
Speaker 1: a little winners and losers? Uh the press conference. Wait, yes,
Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of breaking news here. What
Speaker 1: you got on the Round the NFL podcast? All right,
Speaker 1: let's hear it. Here's Mark Sessler's tweet from February into
Speaker 1: the woods to walk between strange lands. No more experts,
Speaker 1: no more botched fear based nonsense. Just what is ahead
Speaker 1: ancient Egypt? Mark? I don't I mean again, I don't
Speaker 1: have like a tangible explanation for what that means. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know it's I liked I like to just throw
Speaker 1: stuff out there when I'm feeling it. I really I
Speaker 1: would like to provide a deeper explanation. I have none
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, So let's get that the idea of
Speaker 1: I love the idea of looking ahead and then going
Speaker 1: ancient egypt. Um. All right, So let's let's get into it, guys,
Speaker 1: and and let's share some winners and losers of Combine weekend.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with Chris Wesley because Chris, I know,
Speaker 1: um get off my gridiron, one of the one of
Speaker 1: the big weekly bangers at NFL dot com. Um, you have,
Speaker 1: you have something you need to get off your chest.
Speaker 1: So why don't we get into this discussion with your
Speaker 1: thought on the quarterback market and what we're seeing as
Speaker 1: Combine week rolls on. Well, we we're talking about this
Speaker 1: as a winners and losers segment. And to me, the
Speaker 1: winners are all of the organizations that realized in two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen that the quarterback market was exploding and acted accordingly.
Speaker 1: And the losers are all the organizations that didn't realize
Speaker 1: the quarterback market was exploding. And that starts with the Redskins.
Speaker 1: Compare them to their a f C East rivals the Eagles,
Speaker 1: who in two thousand fifteen offered two first round picks,
Speaker 1: more picks, Sam Bradford, more veterans for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: trade up for number one pick, and the Titans and
Speaker 1: Bucks both turned them down. Then the next year, two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, they give Sam Bradford two for thirty
Speaker 1: six million, with twenty two million guaranteed. They make Chase
Speaker 1: Daniel the highest paid backup quarterback in the league. Then
Speaker 1: they give up to first, a second, and a third
Speaker 1: for Carson Wentz. They understand that the quarterback market is exploding.
Speaker 1: After that, the Rams give up a ton for Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: Texans over pay for brock Osweller, Cardinals give Carson Palmer
Speaker 1: two point five million for one year. Ravens make Flacco
Speaker 1: the biggest signing bonus in history. Colts make Luck the
Speaker 1: highest paid quarterback in history. All this is pointing to
Speaker 1: the reality in the NFL that if you think you're
Speaker 1: getting a Jimmy Garoppolo for anything less than a first
Speaker 1: round pick, it's laughable. Every trade for a potential starter
Speaker 1: in the NFL begins with a first round pick and
Speaker 1: then you go from there. But this quarterback market is exploding,
Speaker 1: and it's why the Redskins are in the predicament they're
Speaker 1: in now because they didn't want to pay Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: more than sixteen million last year when he's really a
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar quarterback. Um, Greg, that is your loser.
Speaker 1: Do you want to answer to that? Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: I totally agree with everything West said, and I think
Speaker 1: it makes sense in this We've talked about all the
Speaker 1: extra salary cap space that's in there, and I think
Speaker 1: this is part of that think about a league. I've
Speaker 1: always said that quarterbacks are dramatically underpaid in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Why Why are guys like Elvisdomerville making at some points
Speaker 1: like making half as much money as Tom Brady, Like
Speaker 1: you would never trade Tom Brady for two Elvis Doomervilles.
Speaker 1: Why is Olivier Vernon making as much as some starting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks now? Like if if there was no salary cap,
Speaker 1: you would pay Kirk Cousins forty fifty million, because that's
Speaker 1: like how much he's worth to a franchise. So I
Speaker 1: think West is right. I think that's why guys like
Speaker 1: like Mike Glennan I'll throw out there as a winner,
Speaker 1: not because I think he's definitely the answer. But just
Speaker 1: because of this quarterback market is going to be so
Speaker 1: starved that a team that you know this guy is
Speaker 1: actually out there, the Bears and the Jets know that
Speaker 1: he's out there, he'll end up making maybe more money
Speaker 1: than Ryan Fitzpatrick made last year. That he'll be in
Speaker 1: that twelve thirteen sort of well, you're not really a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. We don't even think you are, but you're
Speaker 1: close enough that we're gonna give you that, you know,
Speaker 1: close to that money. Anyways, I had heard I had
Speaker 1: heard from someone at Combine that like thirteen million was
Speaker 1: in play for Mike Glennon and and Mark you wrote
Speaker 1: about him, um this week, this this idea that that
Speaker 1: that Glennon, who has really done nothing for two years,
Speaker 1: and before we had a spirited conversation on this very
Speaker 1: podcast about whether he's worth that money. But that just
Speaker 1: again checks into what we're talking about how much these
Speaker 1: guys can get paid. But Greg, why are the Redskins losers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You had set me up beautifully and I totally blue
Speaker 1: past I think the Redskins are set up for a
Speaker 1: big fall this year. I think it starts with some
Speaker 1: of the drama that's happened in their front office. I
Speaker 1: think it started with like how West said that they
Speaker 1: mis evaluated Cousins. Now they're willing, by the way, reports
Speaker 1: say spake Cousins twenty million a year, so they've uped it.
Speaker 1: If they had just done that a year ago, they
Speaker 1: could have got a deal done. Now that's not enough
Speaker 1: because it's because he knows he could make more elsewhere.
Speaker 1: So they've blown that by not having foresight. Scott mcgluwen,
Speaker 1: their general manager, is not here at the scouting combine um.
Speaker 1: He told the local reporter that it was a family issue.
Speaker 1: It came out that is grand grandmother had passed away.
Speaker 1: There's now a very ugly series of reports in Washington
Speaker 1: about the timing of when this funeral actually happened. We
Speaker 1: don't even need to get into all of that. But
Speaker 1: something strange, something strange is afoot uh in Washington. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Pierre Garson is gonna leave, Deean Jackson's gonna leave, and
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have a coach and the guy
Speaker 1: pulling the strings, Bruce Allen, making fear based decisions trying
Speaker 1: to save their jobs without really a lot of talent.
Speaker 1: I could see them spending a lot of money on defense,
Speaker 1: and I think they've just played this Cousins thing so
Speaker 1: poorly that in a best case scenario, they're just gonna
Speaker 1: have to make them like the highest paid quarterback in
Speaker 1: the league. And in the worst case scenario, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be caught holding nothing in a year. Hey West, does
Speaker 1: this tie into your kind of loser? That the Redskins
Speaker 1: are an example of a team that didn't quite understand
Speaker 1: what this market was all about. Absolutely, And I think
Speaker 1: you can throw the Jets, Browns, and Bears in there too. Guys,
Speaker 1: teams didn't want Jimmy Garoppolo and now understand just how
Speaker 1: much it will take to get him. With the Patriots
Speaker 1: acting like he's not even available. You can you can
Speaker 1: point to Mike Glennon as a winner, but any team
Speaker 1: that starts Mike Glennon as a loser, because your fans
Speaker 1: now know that you are in the well. As Dan said,
Speaker 1: scam for Sam or I would say fold for Darnald.
Speaker 1: You're not competitive if you if Mike Glennon is your
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. And that goes for Ryan Fitzpatrick or Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer or Josh McCown or any band aid you want
Speaker 1: to throw in there. You are not competing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You are tactically acknowledging we're going for the number one
Speaker 1: and last thing on the Redskins. See. I think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons it hurts is it felt like they
Speaker 1: were out. It's been a drama free a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I think this has been one of the worst
Speaker 1: run franchises in the NFL over the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: And if you're a fan of the Redskins, you kind
Speaker 1: of thought you were getting out of there. And they're
Speaker 1: starting to have some high class problems in terms of
Speaker 1: their coaches or elsewhere, taking their players. Mcveigh's in l
Speaker 1: a maybe taking some of their players, you know, Shanahan's
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, maybe taking some of their players. Like
Speaker 1: this is the type of thing that happens to teams
Speaker 1: that actually have had success. This team doesn't want a
Speaker 1: playoff game. Nothing's happening, and now all the drama and
Speaker 1: the and the backbiting is coming back and you haven't.
Speaker 1: It's not like you have anything the show for. There
Speaker 1: were no good times in the first place. So Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna move on to a different conversation, but
Speaker 1: also quarterback related, because Mark has another winner and it's
Speaker 1: about QBS. I think the winner for me is that
Speaker 1: where we were two weeks ago, we all agreed that
Speaker 1: this draftable quarterback class is not up to snuff with
Speaker 1: classes of old and there's no Andrew Luck out there.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's a lot of guys that a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago we're not even considered first rounders. And
Speaker 1: now you're starting to hear about names like Deshaun Kais
Speaker 1: or Deshaun Watson. Mitch Trobinsky is now being whispered about.
Speaker 1: Mary Kake Habot just had a story out that he
Speaker 1: could potentially go number one to the Browns Mike Silver
Speaker 1: or Mike Silver disputes that. I think he thinks very
Speaker 1: much that Miles Garat would go number one. But the
Speaker 1: idea that also Patrick Mahomes, a guy that was seen
Speaker 1: initially as a second or third round or is starting
Speaker 1: to catch fire. This happens every draft, except that this
Speaker 1: time around, you're we could go back to that one
Speaker 1: draft two thousand eleven I think was where were so
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks were overdrafted, and that could happen again because
Speaker 1: of exactly what Chris mentioned these teams that did not
Speaker 1: solve this quarterback issue either last year in the draft
Speaker 1: or thought that they could get someone like Jimmy g
Speaker 1: or ply away Kirk Cousins from the Redskins on the cheap.
Speaker 1: And it's absolutely impossible at this stage and in the
Speaker 1: game to get these guys for anything less than essentially
Speaker 1: the top half of your draft and future drafts. So
Speaker 1: you're stuck. If you're a team like the Browns or
Speaker 1: the Jets or the Bills. It sounds like if they
Speaker 1: don't keep Tyrod Taylor, that you have to essentially go
Speaker 1: out and overdraft quarterbacks instead of being patient, because jobs
Speaker 1: do not there's no patience. They're not going to allow
Speaker 1: these coaches to continue to go too and fourteen, three
Speaker 1: and thirteen and keep waiting for the quarterback. That's why
Speaker 1: you get fired. You couldn't find a quarterback in one,
Speaker 1: two or three seasons, you're out. And so I think
Speaker 1: there are some desperate teams out there. They're gonna have
Speaker 1: to try to sell to their fans and their owners.
Speaker 1: We like this quarterback a lot more than we really do.
Speaker 1: There's only one guy, uh in this market. He's not
Speaker 1: there yet, but he would count as if healthy, an
Speaker 1: instant alixir for any team that has a quarterback need.
Speaker 1: That's Tony Romo. And there's a report that came out,
Speaker 1: uh from rap Sheet. This was on Tuesday that he
Speaker 1: identified the Denver Broncos is now he calls them the
Speaker 1: prime landing spot um for the thirty six year old quarterback,
Speaker 1: and Rapper Boards said on edit on Network, if he's
Speaker 1: willing to take a pay cut, it seems like the Broncos,
Speaker 1: and then it seems like everyone else. Now the biggest
Speaker 1: part of this is the pay cut part of it.
Speaker 1: But the more I think of this, the more I
Speaker 1: look at it, and and from a common sense angle, uh,
Speaker 1: to me, it feels like it's almost um fate that
Speaker 1: Romo will be Denver Broncos quarterback. It makes so much
Speaker 1: sense for everyone, and and from from Romo who gets
Speaker 1: to go to a winner, to the Cowboys who get
Speaker 1: Romo out of the division and the conference, uh, and
Speaker 1: then the Broncos, who still still have that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: window open and have two young quarterbacks that, while at
Speaker 1: least one of them performed soundly at times last year,
Speaker 1: is not the player that Tony Romo is when healthy.
Speaker 1: It just feels like that Romo to Denver to me
Speaker 1: is going to happen. And to me, that's just the
Speaker 1: loser would be that quarterback room in Denver, at least
Speaker 1: for the time being. Trevor Simeon, who probably deserves another
Speaker 1: year as a starter after a promising season, he would
Speaker 1: go on the back burner, uh and be you know,
Speaker 1: a very important to have a good backup if Tony
Speaker 1: Romos there and then Paxton Lynch kind of goes deep
Speaker 1: into the background, and first round picks don't typically do that.
Speaker 1: I could see Trevor Simeon being shopped or winding somewhere
Speaker 1: else as a starter if they got if they went
Speaker 1: after Romo, because you have to view Romo if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that, at least as a two year answer,
Speaker 1: not just one has to be too. And there were
Speaker 1: whispers out there on Twitter right now that Simeon there
Speaker 1: are some teams that would go after Simeon, the Bills
Speaker 1: potentially being one of those teams that I I think
Speaker 1: he becomes a much more attractive offer in my mind
Speaker 1: than uh, you know, Mike Glennon. I mean, the Titans
Speaker 1: just gave five million to Matt Castle. I mean you
Speaker 1: want someone to bring in that you can develop. That's
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon over some of these other clowns. Would you
Speaker 1: go to get sidetracked? But is Trevor Simeon a better
Speaker 1: option than Tyrod Taylor? Depends on what you want your
Speaker 1: offense to be, right, I think there and thinks they're
Speaker 1: they're close with Tyrode, you have to agree to build
Speaker 1: your offense around his strengths. With Trevor Simeon, he's a
Speaker 1: different kind of quarterback. And Rick Dennison, who's the coordinator
Speaker 1: of Buffalo, you know, was in Denver, so that it
Speaker 1: makes a lot of It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I did think the Broncos were sending a message though,
Speaker 1: you know, and they've been consistent. You know. The coach
Speaker 1: Vance Joesph said, look, we're fine with those two young guys,
Speaker 1: and John Elway talked about um, you know that he'd
Speaker 1: be a little worried about stunting the growth. And I
Speaker 1: think when they're talking up that will be fine with
Speaker 1: these guys. I think they do mean it. I think
Speaker 1: the Broncos like have a price for Romo and they
Speaker 1: would move on like that. This is them putting it
Speaker 1: out there it's like, like what Ian is saying, I
Speaker 1: I just get a sense that that's how the Broncos feel.
Speaker 1: And it's it's like if if they have a price
Speaker 1: and if he really needs to max out, then it
Speaker 1: might not work for them and they'd be okay, go
Speaker 1: moving on, and he would have to figure out something.
Speaker 1: They're not as desperate as another team would be, which help.
Speaker 1: I spoke with Ian about this that at some length
Speaker 1: when when I decided to write this up, and he
Speaker 1: repeated several times, picture Colin Kaepernick the way they handle that.
Speaker 1: Kaepernick refused to take a pay cut, and the Broncos
Speaker 1: basically washed their hands and said, Okay, we're moving on
Speaker 1: to something else. And I think they really did the
Speaker 1: same thing with Oswaller as well. Look, this is what
Speaker 1: we set your value at. If you won't take it,
Speaker 1: we're moving on. And that's the way and expect them
Speaker 1: to handle the Romo situation. And if you're Romo and
Speaker 1: you have another year or two in your career, it
Speaker 1: comes down to what he values. But wouldn't you if
Speaker 1: I were him, I would take a little bit less coin.
Speaker 1: He's made a ton of cash. He a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty seven million in his career. He has money, he
Speaker 1: does not have a ring. Right, So you go to Denver,
Speaker 1: you don't go to Jacksonville. You don't go to Buffalo
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want the truly best
Speaker 1: chance to win a Super Bowl. All right, boys, I
Speaker 1: would love to spend more time with you, but we're
Speaker 1: up against it. We gotta keep moving. It was great
Speaker 1: hearing your voices, though, And we're coming home tomorrow and
Speaker 1: we miss you, guys, miss you too. I have a
Speaker 1: safe flight back home. We are actually watching you guys
Speaker 1: on television as we speak, so it's almost like you're here.
Speaker 1: Will you, guys, be you waiting at the airport? Of course? No,
Speaker 1: do not plan on calling an uber west and I
Speaker 1: will come down to pick you up. No questions asked.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that one of our original money drops the around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast? But not pick up from their scratch? That?
Speaker 1: All right? Thanks boys, see you guys, all right, farewell,
Speaker 1: all right, we say goodbye to the heroes and hello
Speaker 1: to another hero, a hero of the city of Houston,
Speaker 1: a man that almost the Mayor of Houston is how
Speaker 1: I see him? Uh NFL dot com is the mayor?
Speaker 1: I am simply in Mr bees uh in buns um
Speaker 1: just his legion of helpers. That's all I am. That
Speaker 1: is the voice of Lance Deerline. He is uh the
Speaker 1: great uh draftman, the maestro uh. And you see his
Speaker 1: stuff all over NFL Network and NFL dot Com. Right
Speaker 1: now he has his latest mock up. I think it's
Speaker 1: two point oh, which will get get into a little bit.
Speaker 1: And and Lance, you've been on our show before and
Speaker 1: we've so we've probably talked about it. We are not
Speaker 1: draft experts, so we we turned to the experts to
Speaker 1: get a little bit of knowledge as we start to
Speaker 1: turn towards the combine now here and then the draft
Speaker 1: before you know. It's so experts really in anything. Every
Speaker 1: way he said, it almost implied that like there's a
Speaker 1: whole other field where we're on top of things. I
Speaker 1: would say, we we like know some stuff about football,
Speaker 1: but not the stuff that that Lance knows so well.
Speaker 1: So how do we want into the singing expert. It's
Speaker 1: great at setting up a little sound drass. They focused
Speaker 1: we need to hear from Lance absolutely, see he's just
Speaker 1: a little proddy comes out anyway your latest mock I
Speaker 1: want to start with the quarterback position. Everybody loves to
Speaker 1: talk about the quarterbacks. You have Trabinsky going to the
Speaker 1: San Francisco for at number two. Overall, I was just
Speaker 1: being lazy. Tell me about that. Well, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I've got it every time I take my one point
Speaker 1: oh and then I've got to change it to a
Speaker 1: mock two point oh. And I've got decisions to make.
Speaker 1: Do I want to leave a guy there and leave
Speaker 1: his right up there, which is less less work for me,
Speaker 1: or do I want to change it Domino the whole
Speaker 1: thing now behind the curtain here. I like it keeping,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought about maybe taking around. I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's just stay right now. I wanted
Speaker 1: to keep it the same until after the combine, so
Speaker 1: I I saw how it worked out and heard about
Speaker 1: maybe how he interviewed. Because if he interviews well, and
Speaker 1: if he works out well, I think he does have
Speaker 1: a chance to go number two to the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty and um it would be a little early, but
Speaker 1: I think if you are going to go to a
Speaker 1: team where you got a chance to succeed, you want
Speaker 1: to go to a Shanahan coach team. I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's microL Kyle. I mean that offense, Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: to that offense is so quarterback friendly, and uh, maybe
Speaker 1: they don't have players at the wide receiver spot that
Speaker 1: are necessarily quarterback friendly in San Francisco right now. But
Speaker 1: I do believe that Mitch Robinsky has physical attributes and
Speaker 1: play attributes. It could, you know, lend themselves to being
Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback in the league. But I mean
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big jump with any of these guys. Well,
Speaker 1: you have one other quarterback in your top ten right now,
Speaker 1: another big jump. Frankly, Deshaun Watson, who we saw play
Speaker 1: so well in the National Championship game with MS and
Speaker 1: you haven't go to the Bills attend um, how confident
Speaker 1: argue that he's gonna be a front Well, you have
Speaker 1: him attend so he must be somewhat confident, But that
Speaker 1: that he's a first round talent. No, I'm not confident
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, I'm just trying to project what
Speaker 1: a team might do. I think Doug Whaley might take
Speaker 1: a shot based on uh their decision and what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do with Tyrod Taylor obviously, but I'm not real confident. Look,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. There's a lot of check marks for intangibles,
Speaker 1: for playing in the clutch, for a lot of things
Speaker 1: that NFL teams hate to try to buy into too much.
Speaker 1: Because that's what you did with Vince Young, that's what
Speaker 1: you did with Johnny Menzel, you started Tim Tebow. There's
Speaker 1: been a lot of guys drafted early because they all
Speaker 1: they did was win, and they were very clutch, and
Speaker 1: they stepped up in big games. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's really not what you do in the big games.
Speaker 1: It's what you do in the second quarter, um down.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're down thirteen points and you really
Speaker 1: need a drive and you need to take care of
Speaker 1: the football. It's it's what you do. It's what you
Speaker 1: do from the twenty to the town that really matters.
Speaker 1: And I just Deshaun Watson can be a little up
Speaker 1: and down. Frankly, he gives the ball away way too easily.
Speaker 1: I mean, the turnovers are just some of his turnovers
Speaker 1: are just terrible. Trabinsky, you know, bringing it back to
Speaker 1: him this week, listening to some of the reports out
Speaker 1: there that you know from Michael Silver, the Browns don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think, you know, they would love to get the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle at one, and then they're not necessarily they
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that their quarterback will be there at twelve.
Speaker 1: And then we're hearing another Cleveland report that's like they're
Speaker 1: thinking about Trabisky for number one. It sure makes it
Speaker 1: seem like and it's not like a secret. I think
Speaker 1: that that that the Browns that this is the guy
Speaker 1: that they think could fit them, and he kind of
Speaker 1: fits the mold of what Hugh has liked. So even
Speaker 1: though that everyone said, and it's a carbon copy of
Speaker 1: last year, well, we don't know if there's you know,
Speaker 1: necessarily top five quarterbacks in this draft. Doesn't that mean
Speaker 1: with the forty niners there are two and the Bills
Speaker 1: that ten, that that that these guys get get pushed up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's what I did in my mock. I pushed
Speaker 1: up is what I did. I mean, I understand that
Speaker 1: Mittro biscuits a little bit early. I think that's a
Speaker 1: lot early compared to you know, the teams I've talked to.
Speaker 1: I don't know that any of them really have a
Speaker 1: headed into this. Have a first round grade on Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson if you really want to know the truth. But
Speaker 1: I also know that he should come here, he should
Speaker 1: work out well, he should interview well. Um, although I
Speaker 1: was told he's not gonna be as fast as we think,
Speaker 1: I was told he's gonna run. We take a guess.
Speaker 1: Take a guess what you think, h Deshaun Watson, We've
Speaker 1: all watched the said, I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tampered with the Jerry past I'll go four. The number
Speaker 1: that I saw the the offshore number is four six eight,
Speaker 1: which I feel like he's a round of four fives.
Speaker 1: I've been told he's gonna run about a four seven five,
Speaker 1: which seems way slower than what I'm seeing on television. UM,
Speaker 1: just bouncing around a little bit here at a few
Speaker 1: minutes that we have here. So Myles Garrett, everyone seems
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, a lot of people believe
Speaker 1: he will go number one. You have him go number one.
Speaker 1: I think he's clearly the best talent. Is he does
Speaker 1: he have the Is he the type of special player
Speaker 1: I can have, like a how Joey Bosa had like
Speaker 1: an immediate impact in the NFL. Is he a guy
Speaker 1: that can be a Pro Bowl star next year? Well,
Speaker 1: if he's playing for Cleveland, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: do think that he might not be a great fit there,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. Yeah, I think he fits anywhere. He's
Speaker 1: big enough to play. Look, he's way bigger than people realize.
Speaker 1: People are where. You know, they have Courtney Brown nightmares.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I my dad was there
Speaker 1: when they were picking. Uh. I mean they passed on
Speaker 1: Richard Seymour for Gerard Warren. They had decided the night
Speaker 1: before that Richard Seymour was to pick. They went home
Speaker 1: because that's when the draft was on Saturday, the first
Speaker 1: round and second third. I can't remember. I think that
Speaker 1: I broke out. My dad said. When they got back
Speaker 1: to the facility in Cleveland, they said, hey, we changed
Speaker 1: your mind. We're going with Gerard big money Warren like
Speaker 1: oh and the rest of Cleveland Brown's history. But um,
Speaker 1: I think he fits anywhere. And he Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: immediate impact. He has Julius Pepper's ability. He has immediate
Speaker 1: impact ability without question. And people are gonna pick at
Speaker 1: his stats because he doesn't have a lot of sacks
Speaker 1: against inferior competition. But I mean, this guy was getting
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback like crazy as a freshman, as
Speaker 1: a sophomore, he's gotten bigger, more physical. He's he's really
Speaker 1: got a chance to be a special player. But it's
Speaker 1: not now. He's not a lock, you know, you'd like
Speaker 1: to see. There's still some issues in some areas where
Speaker 1: he needs to work on, including his hand usage, because
Speaker 1: you can't just out athlete everyone in the NFL. It's
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work that way. Who do you
Speaker 1: think or where do you think that Sean Kaiser, who
Speaker 1: today kind of some news was made of John Lynch
Speaker 1: said he you know, he blew the doors off the
Speaker 1: interview and he sounds like, you know, from what I
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna be that sort of guy that
Speaker 1: once you get him in front of team, they're all
Speaker 1: kind of fall in love. Well, he needs to blow
Speaker 1: the doors off of completion percentages too, because those doors
Speaker 1: have been firmly closed. Was on him. Based on what
Speaker 1: I saw this year, it was it was a disappointing
Speaker 1: year for Kaiser. To me, I thought he had all
Speaker 1: kinds of potential. He's got great NFL size. I think
Speaker 1: he looks like Steve McNair looked when he came out
Speaker 1: for the Houston Oilers at that time, and uh, but
Speaker 1: his his play, it wasn't there. That's not who he was.
Speaker 1: So he is a guy. Though. If if teams fall
Speaker 1: in love with a player and they feel like he
Speaker 1: has an in factor behind the scenes, those guys can
Speaker 1: get pushed up. Daniel Jeremiah forever has had Deshaun Kaiser
Speaker 1: up there pretty high now. He also we watched the
Speaker 1: University of Texas and Notre damey game together. DJ was
Speaker 1: just on cloud nine because that was his upset special
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner. So Kaiser comes out with five touchdowns
Speaker 1: in the first game and he's like, I told you
Speaker 1: I knew it, and I knew it. So I feel like,
Speaker 1: maybe DJ not biased. Are you sensing what I'm sensing here?
Speaker 1: That that you know there's been some heat between Move
Speaker 1: the Sticks and and our podcast that it's that it's
Speaker 1: shared here by Lance more heat for Daniel Jeremiah. Daviel
Speaker 1: is gonna take shot. He takes I don't want to
Speaker 1: say this, but listen. So We're in the press box
Speaker 1: up in Austin and I'll never forget this. He turns
Speaker 1: to me, he goes, hey, you listen to uh around
Speaker 1: the league, and I'm like a t L. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: said why, Yeah, of course I do. And he's like
Speaker 1: why and I said, well, I mean why would I not?
Speaker 1: And he just said, I mean I'm just asking. I mean,
Speaker 1: do do you get anything from it? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's snappy. I said, it's quirky,
Speaker 1: it's it's got some fun tidbits and bits of information
Speaker 1: and some pop culture references. It's like, keep going and
Speaker 1: I said, I mean it's I said, not learn anything
Speaker 1: about football. He said, you know, I listened to it
Speaker 1: on long cross country trips and uh, Daniel said, and
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. He said to me, you know,
Speaker 1: books on tape also are good to listen to. And
Speaker 1: I just and from there, I was just like all
Speaker 1: I thought was there must be something here. You know what,
Speaker 1: Now that I have this story, said I need to
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm going to do it. I declare vengeance.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah. How long ago was this? Uh? Early September,
Speaker 1: but he reiterated in October like you're still It was
Speaker 1: a text exchange, like you're not listening And I was
Speaker 1: like no, I said, I switched to books on tape,
Speaker 1: but I really didn't. It's so much more real now
Speaker 1: that we have a story that doesn't involve us that
Speaker 1: it's it's really in his mind. It's there. Um all right.
Speaker 1: We wish we had more time with Mr Zerline because
Speaker 1: he is again one of the top draft minds, I
Speaker 1: like to say, and one of Houston's native sons. Uh.
Speaker 1: Check out all stuff at NFL dot com. He's also
Speaker 1: on Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston. We actually did
Speaker 1: our podcast at the super Bowl from the very place
Speaker 1: from your computer. I got to keep the smelled glorious
Speaker 1: in there. It smelled like greatness. So Lance, thank you
Speaker 1: for stopping by. And uh, you know DJ listen, j
Speaker 1: Bury the hatchet guys. Yeah, it's uncomfortable. It's a tough situation.
Speaker 1: And and thank you for giving us a little more insight.
Speaker 1: So we're up against here. We gotta have lands back
Speaker 1: on throughout the draft season. Absolutely need the help. Please
Speaker 1: come back on. That's ah, that's it for today's show.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone for listening. Thank you so many,
Speaker 1: so many luminaries on today's show, Kevin, Patrick, Connor, Or
Speaker 1: West and Sessed kissing cousins uh and of course the
Speaker 1: great Land zero Line. We will be back three shows
Speaker 1: next week as free agency is upon us, so make
Speaker 1: sure you check that out until then. Just Dan Hanson
Speaker 1: signed off for all those great men I just mentioned, Greg,
Speaker 1: it's time to go home. Let's do it. Let's go home, right,
Speaker 1: We're out of here till my day, all right. I
Speaker 1: know Dan just mentioned that the show was ending, but
Speaker 1: it is not ending because West and I we got
Speaker 1: kind of squeezed into the back end of that show.
Speaker 1: We're going out like that. Not at all. We need,
Speaker 1: we deserve are the two of us certainly deserve more
Speaker 1: time on any episode of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: But we thought that we would do something special and
Speaker 1: bring on not only someone who listens to every episode
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast, but someone who has
Speaker 1: her own show on NFL Network. That's Good Morning Football
Speaker 1: Monday through Friday. Kay Adams is with us. How you
Speaker 1: doing first time appearance on this show? Now? Is it true?
Speaker 1: Do you actually listen to the show where you don't
Speaker 1: have to you don't have to just be nice? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love the show. I love that you're
Speaker 1: like I love Scorn Browns fan. You understand my Chicago Bears, Dellan,
Speaker 1: We've got hands in the jet. I want to go
Speaker 1: have a deer with Chessler in Manhattan Beach, California. Of course,
Speaker 1: I Bengo. Well, what we thought we could see. Initially
Speaker 1: we thought we would bring you on and talk combine
Speaker 1: and stuff. But again we were West and I this
Speaker 1: is a slight and we're very upset. We were squeezed
Speaker 1: into a minor portion of the program. So what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do with you is we're gonna ask twelve questions.
Speaker 1: And they're not all you know, some of them are.
Speaker 1: They're going to be all over the map. You can
Speaker 1: answer them anyway that you want. Okay, shall we get going.
Speaker 1: Don't ask you about hips. And these are basically questions
Speaker 1: that are based on your opinions. So you you'll I
Speaker 1: think you'll be all right here. All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's get to know okay Adams, good morning football. Let's
Speaker 1: kick it off. All right, Let's start her favorite cocktail. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say Tito's vodka and water to one we
Speaker 1: get along with Dan Hansen's. That's Dan's drink, Tito's and bucka.
Speaker 1: That's a good answer. Okay, how about this favorite month
Speaker 1: of the year for my birthday? All right? How about this, yes,
Speaker 1: or no aliens exist? Oh man? Uh no, No, I
Speaker 1: never even thought about it. Scares me, so I hope. Now,
Speaker 1: all right, that's good. Now, your name K essentially it's
Speaker 1: you know, spelled K A Y. But some people could
Speaker 1: say it's just sort of a letter. What would you
Speaker 1: if you had to pick a different letter to be
Speaker 1: your name, like B Adams or H Adams? What letter
Speaker 1: would you would you pick? Um? I would pick L
Speaker 1: because it was the same thing I could do E
Speaker 1: L L E E L. There's the L train, there's
Speaker 1: the L line here in New York. Class of L.
Speaker 1: Let's go to L. Very logical. I like that. Do
Speaker 1: you trust the Central Intelligence Agency? Um? No? Another answer?
Speaker 1: Good answer us for questions, I have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're asking. We go, we're halfway through, We're almost out
Speaker 1: of the woods here. Let's say that you committed a
Speaker 1: major crime and had to hide away for you know,
Speaker 1: roughly ten years in a foreign country. You cannot leave
Speaker 1: that country under any circumstance. What country would you pick?
Speaker 1: Italy specifically Florence. Find me count out under the Duomo.
Speaker 1: That's a good, good place for criminals. How about this
Speaker 1: great pizza to more attractive Chris Westling or Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Uh Mark like that answer, You're doing excellent so far.
Speaker 1: You can only eat one food for the next year.
Speaker 1: You can pick colon, hard boiled eggs heavily dipped in mayonnaise,
Speaker 1: or beef jerky the only food that you can eat
Speaker 1: for the next year. I've never out that I've ever
Speaker 1: had actual mannaise. I've ever had either of those. Well,
Speaker 1: this would be in a new adventure, Like they're doing
Speaker 1: great things with beat jerky these days West Europe. Jerky guy,
Speaker 1: it looks disgusting. Then you go to the gas station
Speaker 1: and you sometimes see one that's like wrapped in like
Speaker 1: a like a stream cheese thing, and you're like, why
Speaker 1: isn't this refrigerated? How is this allowed to be out here?
Speaker 1: It's it's slightly overrated. I had plenty of beef jerky
Speaker 1: during my time in Georgia and it's just dried out meat,
Speaker 1: which I mean, we're not Eskimo. What are we doing here? Well,
Speaker 1: why are you putting mannais out of my hard boiled eggs?
Speaker 1: I start my every day with hard boiled eggs. How
Speaker 1: can you be giving me the option? Well, because I'm
Speaker 1: getting you're going to serve it to me with manonnaise,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be like the five year olds
Speaker 1: who's taking it off on the plate and removing all
Speaker 1: of it and then I'll eat it. All right, Well
Speaker 1: I think with that, I mean, I don't think that
Speaker 1: I'll be serving it to you day after day. Necessarily
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to also food prepare yourself. But so
Speaker 1: you can, you can add as much or a little
Speaker 1: mannaise as you want. Eggs. How about this, you have
Speaker 1: to own either ten dogs or ten cats and dogs cats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't trust cats. I don't trust people. I don't
Speaker 1: say yeah, I don't. I don't trust men that owned cats.
Speaker 1: But in general cats are very suspicious. Luke Skywalker or
Speaker 1: Han Solo? Um, I hate Come on, Luke Skywalkers whiney
Speaker 1: and he didn't sufferable Han Solo? All right, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's fair. In your next life, if you can be
Speaker 1: either Kyle Brandt or Peter Schraeger, who do you pick?
Speaker 1: And why? Oh my god, answer either of those guys.
Speaker 1: They can have each other. And going Nate, you've you've
Speaker 1: dodged this one well, and our last question. You know
Speaker 1: you've been on the earth for a while. Who would
Speaker 1: you consider to be your hero? I went on the
Speaker 1: air for my hero is my well, my career. I
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, well that's well. We'll have you on
Speaker 1: for a bona fide real segment in the middle of
Speaker 1: a podcast later on this offseason if you if you're willing.
Speaker 1: They were just they were just opening for we. We
Speaker 1: we were the opening apps. They were you know, they
Speaker 1: were warminguts up for that moment. That's that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: It was a seventy five minute build up to this,
Speaker 1: and uh we thank the listeners for sticking around. Thanks guy,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you. Thanks in York absolutely, farewell. Good