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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosa. Thought,
Speaker 1: what's up? Boys? He d combine week is here. But
Speaker 1: before we get to that, how about those oscars? Ba
Speaker 1: ba boom? Did you watch it? I didn't even I
Speaker 1: didn't watch a second of it. I watched a portion
Speaker 1: of it, and then I did what everyone else does
Speaker 1: in the twenty one century. I saw the good parts
Speaker 1: on the internet. In the morning, I watched the entire
Speaker 1: thing upset of the year. Who sports bar with the
Speaker 1: volume on? That doesn't that might be an only in
Speaker 1: l A thing that or maybe I'm wrong, but definitely
Speaker 1: uh an l A staple that an oscar night which
Speaker 1: is a big deal here, that it would be treated
Speaker 1: almost like the super Bowl where volume up. That's when
Speaker 1: you know it's a big sports event. If you go
Speaker 1: to a bar and they're doing the volume and the touch.
Speaker 1: I always like, you know it's a good sports bar
Speaker 1: when they have the big game, volume up, commercial break,
Speaker 1: bang in with your jukebox and that cos a lot
Speaker 1: of coordination. Yeah, but I noticed that I committed to
Speaker 1: being a good venue that day. If you're going to
Speaker 1: do it, I agree with you. That's that's the golden
Speaker 1: ticket you You did not watch it in the strangest
Speaker 1: place of anyone on this podcast, though, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you are you guys aware of where Sydney watched the Oscars?
Speaker 1: I am. I could probably guess, Hey, guys, who who
Speaker 1: are the Who is the crowd Sydney that goes to
Speaker 1: disney Land to watch the Oscars. It seems like a strange.
Speaker 1: It was not even planning on it, but they sent
Speaker 1: out like a Facebook blast that was like, hey, if
Speaker 1: you have an annual pass, we're showing the Oscars at
Speaker 1: the Opera House on Main Street. And I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: that is for me. I am going to bet and
Speaker 1: on and on your Facebook page you called it the
Speaker 1: most magical evening watching the Oscars followed by fireworks in
Speaker 1: a prey what time are the Oscars over the finished
Speaker 1: around ninth third? I mean the fact that there's more
Speaker 1: fireworks in a whole parade on furling at Disneyland after
Speaker 1: that or Disney It's to me that feels like a packed,
Speaker 1: a packed evening. That's why New Money is so loyal
Speaker 1: to the brand, because she goes there and she says,
Speaker 1: I checked my worries at the gate. Well, after I
Speaker 1: pay the eighteen dollar parking fee, I check my worries
Speaker 1: at the gate, and I'm I'm a happy I'm a
Speaker 1: happy woman. Super accurate, so accurate. There how many there was.
Speaker 1: There's no dry eyes in the house, you know, when
Speaker 1: the Moana girl came out, at least not in the
Speaker 1: Sydney there was not, and there were a bunch of
Speaker 1: there were also were no dry eyes after the end,
Speaker 1: well not after the end, but at the end when
Speaker 1: they came back and said just kidding, not La La Land,
Speaker 1: everybody in the theater had to melt down, and it
Speaker 1: was that's so great. That seems like a disney World
Speaker 1: Disneyland crowd. The meltdown at the Disneyland airing of the Oscar,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, when you're watching a football game,
Speaker 1: let's bring it right back to sports. You're well a
Speaker 1: football game and there's like the surrender cobras or people
Speaker 1: like with their heads in their hands. That was happening
Speaker 1: all around me in the theater, and I was quite
Speaker 1: enjoying it. Probably yes, like you put your hands behind
Speaker 1: your head. Of the Sydney is actually operative for the
Speaker 1: Marines that during the weekends which she's not at Disney.
Speaker 1: I don't typically wonder if she's substance free or not.
Speaker 1: I know she is, but I have to question what
Speaker 1: she's describing. Uh. This is the Monday edition of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, and you know, people have been
Speaker 1: wondering what's going on with the schedule of the show.
Speaker 1: We've been doing two shows a week. First of all,
Speaker 1: you know, calm down, We're doing the best we can.
Speaker 1: But if it makes you feel better, if you do
Speaker 1: love listening to new shows three times a week, know
Speaker 1: that it's coming. It's not coming this week because Greg
Speaker 1: and I are heading to Indie tomorrow and then we
Speaker 1: have it tomorrow Tuesday, and then we'll have a Thursdays
Speaker 1: show which will be kind of like a hybrid. Uh, Greg, myself,
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick and Connor Or from Indie with Wes and
Speaker 1: Sess in the studio. Will be a fun show on Thursday.
Speaker 1: So two shows this week and then next week, which
Speaker 1: is Free Agency Week, started Free Agency three shows and
Speaker 1: we anticipate I can't promise anything. We anticipate three shows
Speaker 1: every week through the draft. Oh probably yeah, through mid June.
Speaker 1: I would say, oh, we always do it. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what we've done it every year group. Why would we
Speaker 1: be cutting back all of a sudden. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing O T A. S. We're gonna doing one of
Speaker 1: my mini camps. One of my earlier jobs in my career.
Speaker 1: Boss gave me that advice. He said, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: under promise, over deliver, Greg, just overpromised. Now we have
Speaker 1: nothing to do but just a hardcore deliver. Maybe that's good.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's your old boss. We're gonna do it, am I?
Speaker 1: Who am I to fight with NFL Networks? Greg Rosenthal?
Speaker 1: Now we've got to be very quiet up in the clearing.
Speaker 1: We have the incredibly rere inn Film Networks. Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Oh you scanned it, Awaite. That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Who who said that? One? Said that one's from Andrew
Speaker 1: Dahl from New York at A Dolly seven was great.
Speaker 1: Even got your little sound effect in there, which I enjoyed. Um,
Speaker 1: oh oh my god. Breaking news this early in the show.
Speaker 1: What's breaking news before the news. That's the first, Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown and the Pittsburgh Steelers have reached an agreement for
Speaker 1: Brown to be the highest paid wide receiver in football,
Speaker 1: according to NFL Networks Ian Rappaport, fifteen million dollars plus
Speaker 1: per year. And that makes a lot of sense, right.
Speaker 1: I Mean, there was some talk that he was getting
Speaker 1: on the nerves of people inside Pittsburgh. He had that
Speaker 1: issue with the Facebook live posting and and some immaturity
Speaker 1: issues perhaps, but the production speaks for itself. This guy
Speaker 1: has been the best wide receiver west in football arguably,
Speaker 1: but statistically wise, it's hard to argue it for like
Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, you can certainly argue that Julio Jones
Speaker 1: is the best wide receiver in football, but like you said, statistically,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown has set records over the past few years.
Speaker 1: He's been the most productive wide receiver in football. And
Speaker 1: I mean they all whatever the the issues were with
Speaker 1: him and some of this off the field stuff, they
Speaker 1: made it very clear earlier this month that they wanted
Speaker 1: him to retire along with Levan Bell as a Steeler,
Speaker 1: and they made it work quick. Now. I mean, we
Speaker 1: talked about there's a there's other wide receivers that will
Speaker 1: get into today, that could hit the open market, and
Speaker 1: I wonder how long he'll be the most not most
Speaker 1: highes why the Steelers are the Steelers' smart but well
Speaker 1: where But isn't Antonio Brown's agents thinking why not wait
Speaker 1: a little bit for that? I'm our point. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: see why that The timing of it definitely makes sense
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh's stand from the right, I think, and we'll
Speaker 1: get into Alston. Jeffrey but In also reported that he's
Speaker 1: going to hit the free agent market, or he's expected to,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any chance he doesn't top
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. I really think he's gonna make more money
Speaker 1: than Antonio Brown. So if you're the Steelers who set
Speaker 1: a price on players and and have been very good
Speaker 1: about that, I mean, remember when they let Mike Wallace
Speaker 1: go and and eventually gave his contract to Antonio Brown. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And and if Wallace had taken the lesser money, who
Speaker 1: knows what would have happened. But they did not want
Speaker 1: to pay Wallace more. They let Antonio Brown go, they
Speaker 1: let Emmanuel Sanders go. They set a price here for Brown.
Speaker 1: They're saying, hey, you can make you the highest paid receiver.
Speaker 1: In the league. You gotta take it now, he's gonna
Speaker 1: take it. Why not? You know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: win win. But I think that the contracts are gonna
Speaker 1: go crazy this offseason. So there you go, right off
Speaker 1: the bat, breaking news on the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: a sponsored of course by Mr Flames Economics class in
Speaker 1: the Hague, Netherlands and UH. In addition to the latest
Speaker 1: in the franchise tag UH news, which the the deadline
Speaker 1: is fast approaching March one, which is just a few
Speaker 1: days from now. We'll talk about what else is going
Speaker 1: on in the news and then UH we will get
Speaker 1: to and this is one of the big releases every year,
Speaker 1: UH for Around the NFL, the free agency one oh one.
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal team up UH to break
Speaker 1: down the top one free agents saucy UH and that
Speaker 1: came out Monday morning, hot off the presses. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that. But before we do that, we already
Speaker 1: did some news. But now we're gonna do the rest,
Speaker 1: so SID let's do it. It's already ah. Yes, Bill
Speaker 1: Paxton passed away over the weekend, age sixty one. Great
Speaker 1: Sneaky gray career Bill Paxson and everybody have a Bill
Speaker 1: Paxston favorite, they want to throw out their project. I
Speaker 1: like Big Love, that was an HBO show that that
Speaker 1: I thought he he carried that movie well. But in
Speaker 1: true lies, I would love I walked. I talked to
Speaker 1: Sydney before the show about what dropped to use. That
Speaker 1: was from Twister, which was probably his most like well
Speaker 1: known movie. But uh, in true Lies, he has some
Speaker 1: amazing lines. He plays like a cheap used car sales
Speaker 1: that seduces Jamie Lee Curtis's character and then gets his
Speaker 1: come up and at the hands of Arnold Schwarzenegger. But
Speaker 1: a lot of good movies. Totally likable guy like I think.
Speaker 1: He also has a kindie. Whenever he was in like
Speaker 1: a scene he would take, he would steal the scene.
Speaker 1: He was a scene steeler. He didn't start as an
Speaker 1: actor either. I could see you mark as a scene stealer.
Speaker 1: If you were. You can't even get on set in
Speaker 1: the Hollywood business. That's a total not even live in
Speaker 1: the same town, couldn't be farther away. All right here,
Speaker 1: let's start some news. Uh and uh yeah, tag time
Speaker 1: tag talk tag you're it. Okay, That's how we'll get
Speaker 1: into the segment all of the franchise tags, some of
Speaker 1: the big names, and we'll start with the biggest one.
Speaker 1: And he is a teammate of Antonio Brown. And this
Speaker 1: came down shortly before we came upstairs to record today's podcast.
Speaker 1: Levian Bell will not hit the open market. The team,
Speaker 1: that being the Steelers, placed the exclusive franchise tag on
Speaker 1: the running back Monday. According to rap Sheet, the exclusive
Speaker 1: tag means he cannot negotiate with any other team. UH.
Speaker 1: The Steelers later confirmed this news UH and that tag
Speaker 1: is expected to surpass twelve million for running backs this season. Greg,
Speaker 1: I feel like Levan Bell is one of those special players, UH,
Speaker 1: and running backs don't get paid in the league. So
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars and we assume they're going to try
Speaker 1: to hammer out a long term deal. But if he
Speaker 1: plays under this tag, that is a great bargain I
Speaker 1: think for Levan Bell, considering how important he is right well,
Speaker 1: for this year, it's a fair price. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's the high He's gonna be the highest pay running
Speaker 1: back in the league, maybe by a good amount. But
Speaker 1: the Steelers are using this exclusive tag sort of as
Speaker 1: a uh in olive branch like, hey, we do value you.
Speaker 1: We could have easily put the eight million dollar tag
Speaker 1: on you and you would have been on our team
Speaker 1: and you would have been stuck with it. But really
Speaker 1: they're they're playing it smart. That's the guy who's had injuries,
Speaker 1: who's had suspension, and he's going to be playing for
Speaker 1: a one year contract and if he's stays healthy and
Speaker 1: his levy on Bell again, I'm sure I'll get a
Speaker 1: long term deal next year. Yeah. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard for them to find common ground on a
Speaker 1: long term deal because I think Levian Bell wants record
Speaker 1: breaking money for a running back and he's twenty five
Speaker 1: years old, but he's he's hurt a lot right now.
Speaker 1: He's rehabbing his way back from a groin injury that
Speaker 1: knocked he knocked him out of the a f C Championship.
Speaker 1: We know the knee issues he's had, he had reconstructive surgery,
Speaker 1: and he's had some off the field issues. So it's
Speaker 1: not a home run, no doubt decision, would think for
Speaker 1: the Steelers. And Greg, you said the uh, if you
Speaker 1: could just clarify for the audience difference between the eight
Speaker 1: million dollar tag and well, the exclusive tag means no
Speaker 1: team can try to trade for him, and it's a
Speaker 1: higher number this year. It's twelve million dollars for running
Speaker 1: backs and the non exclusive tag, which basically what everyone
Speaker 1: else gets. In theory, other teams could try to trade
Speaker 1: for him and give up two first round picks, it
Speaker 1: would have been eight million dollars. I mean, Levan Bell
Speaker 1: should think about whatever, long term whatever, the best long
Speaker 1: term deal that they give him eventually this offseason in
Speaker 1: terms of an offer, whether it's thirty guaranteed and ten
Speaker 1: or eleven a year, whatever, you should think about it.
Speaker 1: Because running back, you would hate to see a guy
Speaker 1: have a torn a c l and like lose that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like one in the hand er.
Speaker 1: What is it? What is the frame? I hate that frame.
Speaker 1: It also means nothing in today's society whatever. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it had a very long meaning at one point. That's like,
Speaker 1: let's kill your boy. Mark on the Browns. He was
Speaker 1: tweeting about some of the questions he got asked at
Speaker 1: the combine two thousand seven, and one of them was, uh,
Speaker 1: would you look a gift horse in the mouth? What? What?
Speaker 1: How do you answer that? I mean, back in two
Speaker 1: thousand seven. That was probably a very that made a
Speaker 1: lot of sense that term ten years ago. Anyway, an
Speaker 1: other franchise tag news Chandler Jones, who was traded from
Speaker 1: the Patriots to the Cardinals last year. UH, he has
Speaker 1: been he has been hit with the franchise tag. He'll
Speaker 1: play under the linebacker tender, which is worth fourteen point
Speaker 1: one million for seventeen. He did fulfill expectations Chris Westling
Speaker 1: and his first year with Arizona, and you would think
Speaker 1: the Cardinals do not want him out of the building
Speaker 1: either now or one year from now. We knew this
Speaker 1: was coming. Bruce arians told everyone in early January, will
Speaker 1: we will place the tag on Chandler Jones if if
Speaker 1: we don't reach an agreement. They had no intention of
Speaker 1: letting him hit the market after he and Marcus Golden
Speaker 1: team for more sacks than any other, uh than any
Speaker 1: other duo in the league last season. So I think
Speaker 1: the key thing with Arizona now is to all three
Speaker 1: of Calais Campbell, Kevin Minter, and Tony Jefferson hit the
Speaker 1: market now that Chandler Jones has the franchise tag, Campbell
Speaker 1: I think is getting there. He's gonna end up by
Speaker 1: the time all these tag guys are taking off our list,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be in our top five, if not our
Speaker 1: top three, and I think he wants to see that money. Uh.
Speaker 1: In other news, ka Want short the UH Panthers stand out.
Speaker 1: He also has been hit with the tag. The fifth
Speaker 1: year defensive tackle will play under the tackle tender, which
Speaker 1: is worth tackle tender talk tackle ducks back tackle ducks
Speaker 1: back worth roughly thirteen point six million and seen Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler another expectant move there. Yeah, it's just a laundry
Speaker 1: list of completely expected franchise it is. This is exactly
Speaker 1: the people that we thought and they all, you know,
Speaker 1: they came today, and I think this makes sense for them.
Speaker 1: They've got a first rounder and Vernon butler Um, They've
Speaker 1: resigned Mario Addison and star Luda Lailey becomes a free
Speaker 1: agent next offseason. So you've at least got Kwan short
Speaker 1: around for this season, which is more than you can
Speaker 1: say for the guy they franchise last year, Josh Norman.
Speaker 1: I don't I question if they would pursue if they're
Speaker 1: truly going to pursue a long term deal with Kwan
Speaker 1: short Um. I think he's a great player, but you know,
Speaker 1: Gettleman sometimes does things differently. They get I almost feel
Speaker 1: like when they let Norman go, they have to they
Speaker 1: have to get short signed. I mean it's it's on
Speaker 1: them to do it just because he's a young, great player.
Speaker 1: Are you saying it would be shortsighted? Wants a lot
Speaker 1: of money. And by the way, Mark Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: like to call out a colleague on the pod, but
Speaker 1: it's actually, yeah, it's you. It's pronounced star. Thank you. Well,
Speaker 1: that's your job to correct us in those situations. You
Speaker 1: got to hit that. You know who's tag wasn't Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy tag by them two years ago? Franchise tag nonsense?
Speaker 1: This time, I think it will be clean. You know,
Speaker 1: you're uh, you're a real human gutter ball if you
Speaker 1: are unable to stay in the NFL with the amount
Speaker 1: of skill level, Greg Hardy head a little look back
Speaker 1: at a player that is no longer in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He was that bad a person that the NFL was
Speaker 1: able to overlook it and kick him out of the league.
Speaker 1: That's that's quite an achievement. By the way. Also, someone
Speaker 1: at some point that the shadowy lead figures hoisted on
Speaker 1: us as an interview subject for the early incarnation of
Speaker 1: this show. That was before some of the uh the
Speaker 1: allegations or bench bench decision. It was a messy time
Speaker 1: through Greg Hardy or let's just move on from it.
Speaker 1: One more tag, a little more tag talk JPP, Jason
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul uh the pass rusher for the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: They put the tag? Did they put the tag on
Speaker 1: him last year too? They did sign him to a
Speaker 1: one year, ten million dollar prove it deal. He proved it.
Speaker 1: So now the gihants are tagging him, tagging him again
Speaker 1: and we'll see or tagging him for the first time.
Speaker 1: Somebody helped me out. Here was he they did tag
Speaker 1: him two years ago? Okay, I'm sure if I would guess,
Speaker 1: he's the first player in NFL history to be tagged
Speaker 1: twice with a year apart in between, all with the
Speaker 1: same team. Same insane when part of your hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but we'll see. I mean, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get paid a lot of money, JPP. But we'll a
Speaker 1: deal get done. I think we saw enough this year
Speaker 1: that the Giants would want to get something done and
Speaker 1: they don't have any problems spending a lot of money
Speaker 1: on pass rushers from with the Giants. There were questions
Speaker 1: in years past if JPP was viewed it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a strange guy inside the team, inside team walls,
Speaker 1: and I maybe that's changed. I mean, if they show
Speaker 1: this much interesting. But that was that was out there
Speaker 1: amongst some of the beat writers. I mean that, you know,
Speaker 1: there was just maybe some questions of JPP the person.
Speaker 1: But I think employees, Odell Beckham, if you want to
Speaker 1: talk about, well, they traffed right and I but I mean,
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, you what are you gonna do? Let him
Speaker 1: walk across town to the Jets. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean the money, the money is crazy, but it's
Speaker 1: the same per year that that Vernon got, And I
Speaker 1: think it's a big trend in this free agent cycle
Speaker 1: and generally in the NFL. I don't think teams are
Speaker 1: gonna mind paying huge dollars on one year contracts or
Speaker 1: two year contracts. In some cases like Fine, we will
Speaker 1: love to play seventeen twenty million dollars a year, but
Speaker 1: they don't want to give the long term money. And
Speaker 1: none of these deals, these four five year deals really
Speaker 1: aren't five year deals to begin with. So they're just
Speaker 1: maybe it's more of an honest approach. Al Right, so
Speaker 1: some of these mark you weren't impressed, you said, these
Speaker 1: are expected. Whatever. It's not that I'm not impressed. I
Speaker 1: think that even in even weeks ago in articles, you know,
Speaker 1: outlining who would be tagg like six for six at
Speaker 1: this point. So here's something to surprise some people, surprise me.
Speaker 1: At least, the Bears not expected to franchise tag Alshon
Speaker 1: Jeffrey uh, their standout wide receiver that according to Ian
Speaker 1: Rappaport he reported Monday, they aren't expected to put the
Speaker 1: tag on him. He played under the tag in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: earning four teen points six uh million dollars uh, and
Speaker 1: the Bears were given a decision to tag him again,
Speaker 1: which would put him at seventeen and a half million
Speaker 1: as a starting point, or at least a locked in
Speaker 1: one year salary. But they apparently are going to do that,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Wes Alshon Jeffrey is maybe a
Speaker 1: guy with some red flags because he's had injury issues,
Speaker 1: but he's young, he's in his mid twenties. He's proven
Speaker 1: in the past that he could be as good as
Speaker 1: anybody when he's healthy. The Bears are in a rebuild
Speaker 1: slash gotta make progress year with their current regime, don't
Speaker 1: you want him in the building. Quite the conundrum for
Speaker 1: the Bears. You're talking about a guy who has had
Speaker 1: many injury issues, has not always played in shape in football.
Speaker 1: Shape was suspended last year. And yet if you let
Speaker 1: Alshon Jeffrey go and he becomes the highest paid wide
Speaker 1: receiver in football, who do you replace him with? The
Speaker 1: guy you drafted two years ago? Kevin White has been
Speaker 1: so far an unmitigated bust. Even when he was healthy
Speaker 1: last season, he wasn't playing that well, So who is
Speaker 1: I know, Cameron Meredith played well with Matt Barkley down
Speaker 1: the stretch, but I don't think anyone considers him a
Speaker 1: number one receiver. I think that you really have a
Speaker 1: bare bones wide receiver corps. Now. They're just listening to
Speaker 1: you talk. They gotta be high on the list of
Speaker 1: teams that will be signing free agents. So I think
Speaker 1: they'll end up replacing Jeffrey with someone that's not seventeen million,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's ten million, DeShawn Jackson or who you know,
Speaker 1: Kenny Brand or Kenny whoever. It's gonna be. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna end up having to spend some money at
Speaker 1: wide receiver. To me, it points to they probably don't
Speaker 1: have a high opinion of him. I mean they they're
Speaker 1: the team more than anyone that knows his highs and
Speaker 1: also his baggage and and a lot of times we
Speaker 1: don't even know what a lot of that stuff is.
Speaker 1: It's it's also maybe just the price point and someone
Speaker 1: that's not he's played, he's played twenty games over two seasons,
Speaker 1: and the p e d suspension after getting hurt like
Speaker 1: that combination, and they you know, when he got suspended
Speaker 1: this year, John Fox had no forgiveness for him publicly.
Speaker 1: He basically didn't buy either either didn't buy Jeffreys excuse
Speaker 1: or he just said that's not good enough and kind
Speaker 1: of called him out for it. Uh, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: some cash though, Bucks, I don't know who who signs him.
Speaker 1: Do you think you give me the he do? Do
Speaker 1: you think he surpassed Titans? Would they finally get a
Speaker 1: big receiver Titans? Some makes some sense. Do you think
Speaker 1: he could surpass Antonio Brown money, which we don't know
Speaker 1: exactly yet, so maybe that's a bad question, But do
Speaker 1: you think he's a guy that could get paid to
Speaker 1: the point where a guy with that many question marks
Speaker 1: is the highest paid receiver in the league. Timing is everything.
Speaker 1: Nobody was ready to believe that in Dominican Sue would
Speaker 1: be paid more than J. J. Watt. But once you
Speaker 1: have multiple teams bidding on you, that's when people get
Speaker 1: paid and all this caps. It's it's tricky because this
Speaker 1: Brown almost hurts Jeffrey's chances. Of me. I think he
Speaker 1: would have made sixteen seventeen years, Like if jpps making
Speaker 1: seventeen a year as on Jeffrey, Like that's a going
Speaker 1: rate for a high level free agent, right. I don't
Speaker 1: like the trend of now that we all have money,
Speaker 1: let's start spending it egregiously on players that have issues.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a couple of years ago that
Speaker 1: we were talking about alter on Verne or getting paid
Speaker 1: major cash and the guys on the street. It's like,
Speaker 1: I some of this stuff at the free agency period
Speaker 1: every year, it's like slowdown, please, But the best teams
Speaker 1: aren't involved in Outside the Broncos, none of the model
Speaker 1: franchises are are going out and writing checks for free agents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got the he's got the red flags, but he's
Speaker 1: also a few was in the draft and you're just
Speaker 1: not talking about the red fight. I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: maybe the number you know, one pick or number two
Speaker 1: or three pick. Again, they basically you get the all
Speaker 1: pro right, and you get him for four years and
Speaker 1: an affordable cost. It's like your this is a major
Speaker 1: investment in a player with you know, overt and maybe
Speaker 1: covert question marks. Covert kind of fit together. Okay, moving
Speaker 1: on out of tag talk, we're still tackle talk, well
Speaker 1: not technically at tackle. He center, but he's not an
Speaker 1: offensive line UH and it, but it won't be the
Speaker 1: offensive line of the New York Jets because Nick Nick Mangold,
Speaker 1: after eleven fine seasons UH in New York was let
Speaker 1: go released on Friday, which was the latest UH indication
Speaker 1: yet that the Jets are in a full blown rebuild mode.
Speaker 1: Because Mangold is old but not ancient. He's thirty three
Speaker 1: and has always played at a high level. UH. This
Speaker 1: past year, the injuries and ankle injury, which is pretty
Speaker 1: serious as it turned out, UH kind of messed up
Speaker 1: his season this year. But the Jets continue to move
Speaker 1: away and clear salary because they had one of the
Speaker 1: more kind of messed up situations that the Jets, despite
Speaker 1: having a roster not filled with talent, had one of
Speaker 1: the more bloated salary caps, and they had to do
Speaker 1: something about that. So it leads to tough decisions, including
Speaker 1: goodbye to Nick Mangold. Uh. We'll get to him a
Speaker 1: little later in the top one oh one list, because
Speaker 1: I do have a question about where he ended up ranking,
Speaker 1: but I think it would be good. We haven't heard
Speaker 1: from him in a while. I talked to my dad
Speaker 1: briefly Keith hands us about the Jets and where where
Speaker 1: their off season is going. So said, why don't we
Speaker 1: check back in uh with my dad. Now, his name
Speaker 1: is Key, his dad's dad, no doubt about it. He's
Speaker 1: a big Jets fan. What is he going to say
Speaker 1: game today? What is he going today? The release of
Speaker 1: Mangold is uh is a terrible move I think for
Speaker 1: the Jets at this time. I know they're trying to
Speaker 1: reduce the cap space, but I still think he's a
Speaker 1: leader and I was against that move. Uh. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how that all plays out. Because their offensive line
Speaker 1: isn't dead shaped um beevius, I think they should eliminate
Speaker 1: him at this point because Elimon is play from last
Speaker 1: year it was terrible and we'll see what happens quarterback
Speaker 1: that still schemes to be I think a trade has
Speaker 1: to be done. Okay, we can't go with the guys
Speaker 1: we have right now. So that's it. That's going to say,
Speaker 1: we're heading towards the corner. You listen to my dad's voice.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of time now. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of things to be excited about right now. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of corners. He's on the second
Speaker 1: corner right now. You ain't taking my corner. But I
Speaker 1: he said, he nailed one thing. You look at you
Speaker 1: look at New York's depth chart along the offensive line.
Speaker 1: It was bad last year. They absolutely need to address
Speaker 1: it in every way they can. They have to. They're
Speaker 1: both their guards. They have two guards, uh, and everything
Speaker 1: else is undecided. And that was a great draft. I
Speaker 1: think it was a Tanne bomb draft. They got mangled
Speaker 1: and Brick Ferguson in the same round. Now both those
Speaker 1: guys are out the door. You can't keep Nick Mangold
Speaker 1: at nine million dollars. I mean, missing half a season,
Speaker 1: not playing, not playing well in the half of this
Speaker 1: same level that he played. I'm sure they tried to
Speaker 1: get him to take a paca, and I'm sure he's
Speaker 1: at the point of his career that he's interested in
Speaker 1: looking to see what's else is out there. And who
Speaker 1: can blame him? Yeah, I I don't disagree with the move,
Speaker 1: and I wish him the best because he was one
Speaker 1: of my favorite jets. Moving on, this is interesting. Ravens
Speaker 1: safety Matt Elam, a former first round pick uh in
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, was arrested on three drug related charges
Speaker 1: early Sunday morning in Miami. Uh Ellen was booked at
Speaker 1: three am on charges of possession of more than twenty
Speaker 1: grams of marijuana, possession with intent to sell or deliver,
Speaker 1: and possession of controlled substance. He's being held on the
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand, five hundred dollar bond. Uh He was initially
Speaker 1: pulled over for reckless driving. Well, I mean, this guy's
Speaker 1: a rich man. I would think for a first round pick,
Speaker 1: even after he's just sitting free agency. Now, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Come back to us, Matt? How much is that?
Speaker 1: I don't know how Grahams are How much is that's
Speaker 1: more than a quarter pound? That's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's insane, Matt. You've come back to us, Matt. This
Speaker 1: is intent to sell. He's not going to just do it.
Speaker 1: Two seventeen. Well, I don't know, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's any better, but I saw some things on Twitter.
Speaker 1: People don't you know understand metric measurements. You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: he's trying to be the new Sam Heard. No, Sam
Speaker 1: Heard was like trying to be Marlow from the wire.
Speaker 1: He was like a kingpin. This is just like this
Speaker 1: sounds more like I'm gonna have a lot to bring
Speaker 1: for all my friends at a party, or like there's
Speaker 1: no reason he should be carrying around this much, but
Speaker 1: you've got that much money at steak. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens have basically said not in our plans
Speaker 1: for next season, which is not at this point not
Speaker 1: a surprise. He's also been a disappointment as a player
Speaker 1: that is not in our plans. I've never heard of
Speaker 1: a statement about a guy who's technically a free agent.
Speaker 1: They just that's just like, well, because this is a
Speaker 1: team that's a couple of years removed. People, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's the stink isn't on them as much.
Speaker 1: But there are a couple of years removed from a
Speaker 1: massive PR disaster with an off the field issued late
Speaker 1: in player, and they're probably as quick as they can
Speaker 1: be too get rid of this. Wouldn't it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been cool if it was one grams. There was that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to a very group of people that would
Speaker 1: would get that connection. Yet that was a different that
Speaker 1: was a different substance, you know, twenty one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that booger sugar? Yeah? Essentially. Uh, let's see
Speaker 1: what else. Let's get through the rest of this news. Uh.
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski Summer Bronk ground getting off to an early
Speaker 1: start for whatever reason, he was at the Dayton of
Speaker 1: five hundred as a sideline reporter. Why not? Uh? And
Speaker 1: this is how it played out. They cut to Gronk
Speaker 1: who was with a gaggle of what they were monster
Speaker 1: energy girls. They were called. Let's hear how that exchange
Speaker 1: went with Rob Gronkowski down that what's up? We got
Speaker 1: another energy girl right here? We got Ashley. I did
Speaker 1: a photo shoot. You at her. She's the best. Hey, Ashley,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite speed limit out there? I hope it's
Speaker 1: somewhere around seventy or something that I am the hardcore.
Speaker 1: I like to go as fast as possible. I like
Speaker 1: that answer back to your you didn't you're looking confused, Greg,
Speaker 1: what's the closest number to seventy? I'm not confused. I
Speaker 1: get the terrible joke. I'm confused why they would put
Speaker 1: Gronkowski in a position to try to be funny. That's
Speaker 1: just terrible. Do you think he's fed that? I think
Speaker 1: he loves sixty. I think he thought that that was
Speaker 1: an amazing joke. Yes, I agree. I think he thought
Speaker 1: that that's what my face was. I don't think he
Speaker 1: slept at night either, because he's like Ashley, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we did a photo shoot together. How could you let
Speaker 1: me down in a big spot? I have no words
Speaker 1: for what we've just listened to. And finally, Mark, you
Speaker 1: have no words there. But I'm gonna need some words
Speaker 1: from you here because you are You are paid by
Speaker 1: the NFL as an analyst, so people come to you
Speaker 1: for the information. The Green Bay Packers have announced their
Speaker 1: coaching staff for the season, and David Rye has been
Speaker 1: appointed the team's offensive perimeter coach. For the fans out
Speaker 1: there the layman, Can you break down what an offensive
Speaker 1: perimeter coach does? Very excited about this signing. I think
Speaker 1: it's a big it's a new frontier for the Packers. Chris,
Speaker 1: I would like to hear why you what you think
Speaker 1: he'll be Wow. I think he'll be monitoring the perimeter.
Speaker 1: That was like Warren Baby like passing it off to
Speaker 1: Fade Dunaway because he knew that the Oscar situation was
Speaker 1: food bar that you just did the same thing. You're
Speaker 1: Warren Baby. Congratulations. So the perimeter is everything outside the numbers, right?
Speaker 1: So before I mean, that's what is it? A spread
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator on some time? Now you can't you can't
Speaker 1: jump back in now if you do whatever. I want
Speaker 1: to sit down. If you think about it, it's a
Speaker 1: genius movie. Why is it a genius move? For for decades,
Speaker 1: you know, century, almost every you know, we've only been
Speaker 1: worried about interior. They're the first coach to say, no,
Speaker 1: let's have a coach out there on the perimeter. All right,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna get that part. I think it's like
Speaker 1: someone needed, you know, Mike McCarthy's got a lot of
Speaker 1: friends out there. Someone's like I need a job. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get you a job, and they'll come up with
Speaker 1: a very fancy name for getting this fellow on the payroll.
Speaker 1: So that's one way to look at I mean, not
Speaker 1: nobody explain what it is. So well, he's been with
Speaker 1: the Packers for three years. Uh, well you've ascended into
Speaker 1: this role. He spent fifteen season as a coaching administrator.
Speaker 1: Is an assistant offensive line coach. So obviously the man
Speaker 1: has a really good football pedigree to be able to
Speaker 1: be offensive line. What's more interior right than the offensive line?
Speaker 1: And now he's moving out to the perimeter. Isn't that
Speaker 1: the inverse of the perimeter? It's, well, he knows the enemy.
Speaker 1: It's maybe it's a little bit like the NBA. You know,
Speaker 1: everything in the NBA is all about three point shooting,
Speaker 1: the perimeter, Packers thinking moneyball, perimeter money analysis, Greg, huge stretch.
Speaker 1: All right, enough of that. That's what's happening in the
Speaker 1: news now. Now that's what I really want to get
Speaker 1: to is the centerpiece of today's show because Wesson and Greg,
Speaker 1: the scientists. Every year they get together and they put
Speaker 1: their heads together and they deliver something that the football
Speaker 1: COGNISCENTI gets excited about it is the free agency one
Speaker 1: oh one, salad baby. The two of you, uh work
Speaker 1: up a list of one or a little bit more
Speaker 1: and then you have um someone I'm an underling. Perhaps
Speaker 1: take those two lists, combine them into one to make
Speaker 1: your your free agency one on one. And this is
Speaker 1: how you know Mark and Mark, I want you involved
Speaker 1: in the segment too. I know this is about these
Speaker 1: two signs, but we definitely should have a voice in
Speaker 1: the room here and I need I need your support.
Speaker 1: You know I'll support you. This is why you know
Speaker 1: that the scientists have gotten a little bit of juice
Speaker 1: within the the the universe of the football cognis sent
Speaker 1: the It's because people write articles about the free agency
Speaker 1: one on one different team. Websites pops up here and
Speaker 1: there maybe ESPN of beat writer. Oh this is three
Speaker 1: Indianapolis cults were on the NFL dot com top one
Speaker 1: on one. You guys. That was that sweat equity that
Speaker 1: you guys have poured into this over several years and
Speaker 1: now it's paying off in a big spot. Hope sweat
Speaker 1: equity replaces optics as the new buzzword. I mean it
Speaker 1: paid off with that intro that you beautifully time, that's
Speaker 1: when it all felt like it came to finishing. I
Speaker 1: would say I timed it. I don't think of time
Speaker 1: beautifully at all. But so here we are, and and
Speaker 1: Mark and I are here as well. Almost to keep
Speaker 1: you guys, first of all, keep your egos in check,
Speaker 1: because you guys are pretty luck with that flying flying
Speaker 1: high right now with all this press you're getting. Uh.
Speaker 1: But what we're gonna do is we're gonna break out,
Speaker 1: break down this list. And if you're listening at home, uh,
Speaker 1: if you're driving, uh, don't do this. But if you're
Speaker 1: you know, sitting on the train, or you're sitting in
Speaker 1: the back seat of a car pool situation, or if
Speaker 1: you're laying on your couch nude, potentially get your laptop
Speaker 1: out or your portable uh device and pull up the
Speaker 1: top one over which you can find nfl dot com
Speaker 1: slash top free agents. Not the best vanity, you are
Speaker 1: a top free agents. That's a new one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call that the best vanity. You know, these are
Speaker 1: out of these decisions are I trust in the who
Speaker 1: did make that executives making them? It was it was
Speaker 1: not an underling by the way, you know putting keens
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know most of this room's editor Ali
Speaker 1: bon Puri. Yeah, great work with the original content team
Speaker 1: here at NFL need called by you and underling. I
Speaker 1: wasn't aware until okay, I thought there was Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would seem wrong of you. Hopefully nobody remembers that. About
Speaker 1: an hour before the show, I said, Ali, did you
Speaker 1: do you know who actually tabulated this? And He's like
Speaker 1: it was me. Alright, alright, anyway, Alieah, I love you. Um,
Speaker 1: here we go. I think the best way to go
Speaker 1: through this. First of all, let's just uh, we'll check
Speaker 1: out the top ten. I'm just curious a top ten,
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of break it down and and
Speaker 1: you've been blown to smith the rens from these franchise
Speaker 1: tags already, all right? Who is who? All right, let's
Speaker 1: in terms of who is still there, let's even draw
Speaker 1: it out to fifteen or so. Who is not going
Speaker 1: to be affected by the franchise tag situation? Most likely
Speaker 1: as of the taping of this podcast, well, assuming Eric
Speaker 1: Berry and Kirk Cousins get tagged, you know, they would
Speaker 1: be on top of the list right now. But assuming
Speaker 1: they get tagged. The top of the list is gonna
Speaker 1: be Alshon Jeffrey. I think at number one, who's number one?
Speaker 1: Last year when the dust settled, we're cleared? Was it
Speaker 1: Malik Jackson? I think goes Malik Jackson didn't get the
Speaker 1: most Yeah, definitely Campbell will be a big name. Brandon Williams,
Speaker 1: who I don't think is gonna get tagged. Uh is
Speaker 1: number three I think could get snacks type of money.
Speaker 1: Then a couple of guys Melvin Ingram I think we'll
Speaker 1: get tagged. Sounds like from rap sheet JPP got teg
Speaker 1: donta high tower. We have to see how the Patriots
Speaker 1: handle him. I think he'll get out there. Maybe he
Speaker 1: gets the transition tag, which means he can sign a
Speaker 1: contract which with another team. Then a J Boo Yer
Speaker 1: of the Texans at cornerback, Stefan Gilmore, Kevin Zeitler Bengals guards.
Speaker 1: It's already getting in the weeds here, and you know,
Speaker 1: to mean Johnson jumping around around prior tps there, he'll
Speaker 1: probably a tag you thank you um or maybe not.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. It sounds like uh and one
Speaker 1: jumping around a little bit here. But we talked about
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills before the show when we're talking about the
Speaker 1: kind of like what is what is the vibe right
Speaker 1: now around the idea of free agency in this league
Speaker 1: and why and how does Kenny Stills kind of uh
Speaker 1: stand in as someone as someone that kind of personifies
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. This is something that Greg
Speaker 1: has been talking about for a few days now that
Speaker 1: for everyone's got used to be that if you have
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty million and salary cap that was a
Speaker 1: lot of salary cap space, you're gonna be a big
Speaker 1: player in free agency, maybe control things. Now everybody's got
Speaker 1: that much money. Some teams have sixty to seven million,
Speaker 1: sixty to seven million, the Browns, I think you have
Speaker 1: a hundred million. Everybody's got money to spend. And when
Speaker 1: you hear the Miami Herald report that Kenny Stills has
Speaker 1: a twelve million dollar a year market, it's crazy twelve
Speaker 1: million dollars a year for a number three receiver who
Speaker 1: is coming off a career year from a touchdown point
Speaker 1: of view, But I don't think anybody Kenny Stills has
Speaker 1: nobody's idea of a of an ideal deep threat, well,
Speaker 1: a guy that the and I think he had potential,
Speaker 1: like as a good role player, maybe a number two receiver,
Speaker 1: but a guy that the Saints essentially gave up on.
Speaker 1: And you know it's coming off. I guess his best season,
Speaker 1: which had seven and twenty six yards. That's why this
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown signing. I think they saw the Alson Jeffrey move,
Speaker 1: you know, getting to free agency and you know these
Speaker 1: reports are out there about Kenny Stills and it's like,
Speaker 1: we better signed Antonio Brown quick before things get crazy
Speaker 1: because the amount of money, you said it, people get
Speaker 1: worked up about who has the most cap. What's the
Speaker 1: difference between forty million and eighty million. You've got enough.
Speaker 1: More than half the league has more than thirty five million.
Speaker 1: And that's before some of these roster cuts and everything
Speaker 1: that's gonna go on in the next week. In terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, saving some room and moving money around, Like
Speaker 1: there's more than enough teams can pay who they want,
Speaker 1: like just about twenty teams can do what they want.
Speaker 1: That kind of on some level, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say cheap in the salary cap, but the cap for
Speaker 1: well disciplined teams that works in their favorites. They know
Speaker 1: how to play the game. But there's so much money
Speaker 1: you now, and the cap keeps on going up and
Speaker 1: up and up. Uh, this isn't that kind of defeat
Speaker 1: the purpose of like having like the Browns last year,
Speaker 1: we're gonna clear salary cap, we're gonna start over, and
Speaker 1: they have a lot of money, but it's maybe not
Speaker 1: as valuable because even teams that didn't have the same
Speaker 1: outlook can spend on X, Y and Z. It's crazy
Speaker 1: because a year ago, and I mean bad teams struggle
Speaker 1: to resign their own players if they want to get
Speaker 1: to market and go somewhere and win along with make
Speaker 1: a lot of money. So that's a separate challenge. But
Speaker 1: it was a year ago that teams like Cleveland we're saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we're not going to invest in our own free agents,
Speaker 1: were clearing cap room. And it feels three sixty five
Speaker 1: days later, like a completely that's gone. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many more teams, if this continues, are going to
Speaker 1: even have to think that way. There's an excessive cash
Speaker 1: and it's gonna lead to players being completely overpaid. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's not good for football? Well what if I
Speaker 1: don't think it's good for the players. But I mean
Speaker 1: if they don't get that money. It goes to the owner, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with them making a lot.
Speaker 1: What it does is, I think keep it's gonna make
Speaker 1: this free agent period every year get more and more boring.
Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing that this is not a
Speaker 1: great list. At the top. It's fine. I think the
Speaker 1: top twenty five is not too different than normal. But
Speaker 1: it got it got bad in a hurry in terms
Speaker 1: of finding starters because you gotta you gotta spend that money,
Speaker 1: and the teams are gonna spend that money in June
Speaker 1: and July and August on their own players. Like who
Speaker 1: can the Jets fine to pay? Do they have some
Speaker 1: people on their after they can pay whoever it is,
Speaker 1: Just pay them, start paying. You don't have to make
Speaker 1: those tough decisions where it's like wow, this name got
Speaker 1: released and we're all stunned by it. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot less of that. I mean, the draft is
Speaker 1: so important because if you now, if teams can pay
Speaker 1: their own guys, they keep them on their team and
Speaker 1: it's not like the maybe before free agency, a player
Speaker 1: got stuck with a team forever and and they kind
Speaker 1: of got screwed because of they're getting paid. So in
Speaker 1: a way, everybody kind of wins because the team is
Speaker 1: keeping their guys and able to spend money, and the
Speaker 1: guys are getting paid. So maybe the NFL has it right.
Speaker 1: And maybe all that talk about the players got banged
Speaker 1: by the latest c b A that doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: something that's a big story anymore. You know, a few
Speaker 1: points here and they're going in the side of the owners,
Speaker 1: but they're getting paid here. Maybe the Giants, I mean
Speaker 1: it worked because the Giants signed good players that fit
Speaker 1: their system. But maybe they knew what they were doing
Speaker 1: last year when a handful of quality, starter type of
Speaker 1: guys got out there. Maybe they just got lucky desperation,
Speaker 1: but it worked. They were trying to save jobs. They
Speaker 1: paid a premium, and I think those deals now don't
Speaker 1: look so crazy, and I think it was smart because
Speaker 1: that that quality of player. There's even fewer of them
Speaker 1: this year. Thinking about the Raiders, Like the Raiders were
Speaker 1: the team that was an ultimate cap hill just two
Speaker 1: or three years ago, and now they have what forty
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I mean, they have all the room
Speaker 1: they could use, right, So let's go, you know, why
Speaker 1: do we do this? Hey, let's go down to the
Speaker 1: lab of the door. Let's go down there are in
Speaker 1: the lab, in the trade lab. Listen, you guys have
Speaker 1: a lot of Bunsen burners. Uh, a lot of beakers.
Speaker 1: There's a phone and they're ringing off the hook for
Speaker 1: some reason. Phone. Yeah, this is where Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal do their work. And I have some questions
Speaker 1: and and you guys can answer to them. And here's
Speaker 1: the first one. And I found this interest because I
Speaker 1: have in my hands. I was given permission to look
Speaker 1: at both of your lists and where you guys differed.
Speaker 1: I was curious what some players where you guys really different.
Speaker 1: And the most amazing thing to me was, especially if
Speaker 1: you look in the top twenty five, you guys are
Speaker 1: really in the same ballpark and you do these independently. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of you guys had exact hits. Guys like uh
Speaker 1: a J Booi a uh both that number twelve, Clays
Speaker 1: Campbell's at seven and eight, al Sean Jeffrey is at six,
Speaker 1: and h J p p eleven and ten. You guys
Speaker 1: are in the ballpark, but not at all of them.
Speaker 1: The good players, we pretty much agreed on the top
Speaker 1: players more. Yeah, it's the bad players where we just
Speaker 1: this one kind of hits, and this hits at um.
Speaker 1: What a lot of people thought was really harsh criticism
Speaker 1: from West directed to Grego. Quarterback Streets were talking, streets
Speaker 1: talking about quarterback judgment because, uh, there are two quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and I'll start with Mike Lennon, who Greg had just
Speaker 1: outside his top twenty five and I guess might end
Speaker 1: up in the top twenty five when all these things
Speaker 1: shake out with the franchise tags at Westling had him
Speaker 1: all the way at sixty four. And I think Greg
Speaker 1: We've talked about a little bit, but you think Lennon
Speaker 1: to be at twenty six, that is somebody that is
Speaker 1: a starter. You would think on a team in has
Speaker 1: a good chance to start. Yeah, I think quarterback gets
Speaker 1: a bump, There's no doubt because it's the most valuable position.
Speaker 1: So let's look at the guys who are around on
Speaker 1: our list, uh Riley Reath not anyone's you know, vision
Speaker 1: of an All Pro tackle is Zach Brown, a guy
Speaker 1: who we couldn't have cared less about a year ago
Speaker 1: at this time, Larry Warford. I mean, these are not
Speaker 1: like superstar players. There's guys that both of us. These
Speaker 1: are guys you think they can come in and maybe
Speaker 1: be a solid starter. Mike Glennan showed a lot of potential,
Speaker 1: I thought in his first two years, and I watched
Speaker 1: every one of his snaps back then. I remember his
Speaker 1: rookie year. I went back to see where did he
Speaker 1: end up in the year end QB index where I'm
Speaker 1: watching every play I'm grading it. He was. He was
Speaker 1: the twenty first, twenty second ranked quarterback as a rookie
Speaker 1: with some terrible offensive coordinators. I thought he showed something,
Speaker 1: some anticipation, some accuracy, some big arm. If you've got
Speaker 1: a guy who can could possibly be a starting quarterback,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to put him that high.
Speaker 1: As I mean, Mark, you and I both have skin
Speaker 1: in the game with UH needing a quarterback. Would you
Speaker 1: mind having Glennon as a whole the fort type guy.
Speaker 1: I would not mind giving someone like Mike Glennon try out.
Speaker 1: I'm talking, I'm rooting for a team that's not had
Speaker 1: good quarterback play and about a quarter of a century,
Speaker 1: so why not. But I I'd have him somewhere in
Speaker 1: between where where West and Greg do. I would say
Speaker 1: this though, that there's been very little buzz around Mike
Speaker 1: Glennon compared to what was an annual right around this
Speaker 1: time for three or four years in a row where
Speaker 1: Mike Glennon was dangled his trade bait. Every draft disappeared
Speaker 1: for two years. I mean, he really did. Davis Winson
Speaker 1: got drafted and he wasn't his. To be fair, he
Speaker 1: wasn't as good in his second year. Now, granted, he
Speaker 1: was on his third coordinator in two years, which is
Speaker 1: tough for any young quarterback, including Jeff Tedford who had
Speaker 1: like left after two games, in Marcus Arroyo who's barely
Speaker 1: in the league, and Mike Sullivan who's never probably never
Speaker 1: gonna get a coordinated job. It was a tough situation
Speaker 1: and he didn't play that great in his second season,
Speaker 1: which which I think is partly what sticks in West's cross. Well,
Speaker 1: bad quarterbacks are easy to find. That's why I didn't
Speaker 1: rank him high. And he's a bad quarterback. You can
Speaker 1: take any film of any quarterback in the NFL and
Speaker 1: find a game or two here and there where he
Speaker 1: That was a season, though a rookie season. It was
Speaker 1: like a lot in which he finished dead last in
Speaker 1: drive success percentage in the NFL. And this is a
Speaker 1: thing that we have disagreed over the years. I don't
Speaker 1: like quarterbacks who don't move the sticks consistently. Mike Glennon
Speaker 1: moves the sticks as inconsistently as any quarterback I've seen
Speaker 1: in the past few years. To me, he's a rich
Speaker 1: Man Zach Mettenberger, and I don't want that. I'd rather
Speaker 1: have Brian Hoyer, who can moving offense. He's definitely risk here.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm giving a lot to potential. Over those
Speaker 1: two years combined, he was ranked nineteenth in QBR. So
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm crazy out on a limb here
Speaker 1: with Glennon. And like we look at some of the
Speaker 1: other guys on this list, it's like, I get, these
Speaker 1: are guys that weren't that good. Like you had Matt
Speaker 1: Khalil and Mike Remer's, you know, fifty and fifty one
Speaker 1: on your list. I had the much those guys were
Speaker 1: terrible tackles for the Mike Remers is a right tackle
Speaker 1: who was forced to play out a position at left tackle,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people disparage him because
Speaker 1: Von Miller destroyed him in the super Bowl. But he
Speaker 1: was a quality right tackle in two thousand uhift seasons.
Speaker 1: All I mean is like, these are guys, these guys
Speaker 1: who have had some big time struggles at tackle. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give Glennon a little chance. I think you should
Speaker 1: be excited if the Jets get Glennon. It depends on this.
Speaker 1: That's true. There's there's no ability as a problem. There's
Speaker 1: a much more radioactive quarterback ranking if you click into
Speaker 1: their individual rankings that I simply cannot get on board with.
Speaker 1: I don't want to drive too deep. I mean we
Speaker 1: you know we can go through the well. It's you
Speaker 1: have Greg you have Geno Smith at number sixty five.
Speaker 1: And I know that I know that you like Gino
Speaker 1: Smith and that you see promising him West. He's not
Speaker 1: even on your anywhere in your not even tempted. I
Speaker 1: ranked Hunt twenty five. If I ranked two hundred, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have put Gino Smith on there. He's a bad
Speaker 1: football player, and I think you'd have to ignore what
Speaker 1: Gino Smith has been in the locker room to to
Speaker 1: think sixty five too. I just would like to know
Speaker 1: your reasoning. Is it potential? Again? I don't think his
Speaker 1: tape is that bad as a pro. And yes, quarterbacks get,
Speaker 1: especially young quarterbacks, get a little bit of a bump,
Speaker 1: you know when we're we're talking about sixty like this
Speaker 1: is where Cordurell Patterson is, who's a special teamer? He say,
Speaker 1: is where NI? Right? I I don't think it's that
Speaker 1: crazy to think of Gino Smith as a quality back
Speaker 1: up with some potential. Smith in my locker room. He
Speaker 1: had six point nine yards per tempting his career. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in two years. The last time we
Speaker 1: saw him, he played very well for a month. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm hanging on to too much of that,
Speaker 1: but I really think the New York media stink and
Speaker 1: all the off field stuff is on him in a
Speaker 1: way that it wouldn't be if he was on some
Speaker 1: other team. You have them higher than Brian Hoyer. I
Speaker 1: would take Coyer over Smith. I would take Hoyer over
Speaker 1: Geno Smith too. In fact, that could end up happening
Speaker 1: with the Jets as shore, the where they kind of
Speaker 1: swap them and he ends up higher checks and balances.
Speaker 1: It's like the government. It works out this well. I
Speaker 1: knew West wasn't kind of right a little bit that's
Speaker 1: what happened. Um. The problem Smith, by the way, is
Speaker 1: that yes he's he's flashed uh moments, but he's also
Speaker 1: games okay, month, Let's not go crazy here though. He's
Speaker 1: a turnover machine, turnover machine who has had some issues
Speaker 1: in the locker room. And he's a quarterback. You don't
Speaker 1: want a quarterback with some locker room pop to him.
Speaker 1: But like Jake Cutler East, I have I have a
Speaker 1: hard time with that stuff. I wish we knew more,
Speaker 1: like we don't know. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that we don't know about. Maybe Hoyer might be
Speaker 1: on that list that doesn't have the greatest reputation, and
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks that get maligned that actually their
Speaker 1: teammates like and Frank And we don't know because we're
Speaker 1: just here, Like not quarters have been punched. What we
Speaker 1: do know just more than a lot of other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are bringing to the table in a negative way. I
Speaker 1: think he worked, I I will say, I think he
Speaker 1: lands in the right spot ultimately, Like I'm fine that
Speaker 1: he nine on the list, you know, checks and balances,
Speaker 1: just I mean, since you brought it up, I will say,
Speaker 1: when he did get his job broken, by teammate, which
Speaker 1: again is a thing that happened. Really, the only came
Speaker 1: to his defense was Brandon Marshall that said, so many
Speaker 1: Marshall comes to everyone's defense. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. So everybody's gonna get paid,
Speaker 1: especially you would think in the top if you watch
Speaker 1: the NFL network, to Smith that five minutes on the
Speaker 1: NFL that work, he's a hot ticket. Don't give up. Uh,
Speaker 1: Charley Castle, He's like, yeah, that boys, here's a hot ticket.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna get paid, definitely in the higher reaches of
Speaker 1: this list. But what player, gentleman and Mark as well,
Speaker 1: do you think we'll get paid and the team we'll
Speaker 1: regret that that gave out bundles of cash. A guy
Speaker 1: that has the possibility, even though you put him kind
Speaker 1: of in a good spot on this list. The top
Speaker 1: fifty or so jumps out to you as a potential
Speaker 1: bust candidate as a sign good question, one that pops
Speaker 1: to my head just because I've seen the report. Or
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills, first of all, if he gets twelve million
Speaker 1: a year. But I like Nick Fairley. I think I
Speaker 1: pushed pretty hard for Nick Fairley to be higher on
Speaker 1: this list last year and he came through with a
Speaker 1: good season. If he's getting ten million dollars a year,
Speaker 1: which I read about in one New Orleans report, on
Speaker 1: a multi year contract, I think that's the time that's
Speaker 1: a player you'd be a little worried about giving that
Speaker 1: sort of guaranteed. But I think he's a good player,
Speaker 1: but that that's one where you could see him getting overpaid.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with Nick Fairley. I
Speaker 1: thought he was fatter than ever last year, and he was.
Speaker 1: He had his best season at his fattest. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with him? Yeah, he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys like it's value, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you get him on the year that they're cheap, I
Speaker 1: don't want him on the year they're expensive. I think
Speaker 1: there's risk to Terrell Fryar. I mean we you know
Speaker 1: a lot. He showed a lot last year and there's
Speaker 1: no taking away from his the commitment he put into
Speaker 1: switching positions, which is so hard to do and to
Speaker 1: play at the level he did for much of it.
Speaker 1: But when you if you were going to hand it
Speaker 1: a multi year lucrative contract, it's to a player that
Speaker 1: does that has is short of a track record. A
Speaker 1: wide receiver is anyone that could get a multi year
Speaker 1: deal and be ranked this high on this list. My
Speaker 1: counterpoint to that is he gave some really good quarterbacks
Speaker 1: fits last year, a thousand yards season, and he's still
Speaker 1: kind of finding his way. You might be able to
Speaker 1: get him at a good value if you truly believe
Speaker 1: he could become all pro type if he reaches his peak. Yes,
Speaker 1: and then it's just I I think he's a mystery player.
Speaker 1: We don't know that it's going to translate to three
Speaker 1: seasons from now. I got one for you. Then you
Speaker 1: have at number thirteen on this list, Stephan Gilmore the Bills.
Speaker 1: Who you know he has a he's a name brand,
Speaker 1: But is he a guy that you want to if
Speaker 1: you pay Steven Gilmore big money in this free agency market,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be probably what in the top five cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. And is that a good value by
Speaker 1: He's been inconsistent when when Rex Ryan got in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: When he landed there, he immediately singled out Stephan Gilmore
Speaker 1: as a lockdown cornerback, one of those guys who can
Speaker 1: trail wide receivers around the field, and I know Rex
Speaker 1: system places a lot of responsibility on cornerbacks, but he
Speaker 1: got exploited at times last year. I think he even
Speaker 1: got benched at one point. Stefan Gilmore did not played
Speaker 1: well all last season. I thought he was much better
Speaker 1: the year before. So it depends who you're getting, but
Speaker 1: he's got the tools. I think people maybe are a
Speaker 1: little too worried about a J. Boyer and Gilmore might
Speaker 1: be the more risky signs you have at twelve, and
Speaker 1: we that that was one where we differed very slightly.
Speaker 1: I think I put Gilmore one spot ahead of Booyer
Speaker 1: just because I do when I'm doing is important. I
Speaker 1: have no conviction in my pronunciation. All right, well we'll
Speaker 1: defer to Booty pretty sure, but go ahead, that's what
Speaker 1: I heard. I want to make sure I try to
Speaker 1: look at you. I think sometimes we do this in
Speaker 1: free agency. Happens to GM. You get paid off the
Speaker 1: previous year, but try to think about three years. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is the guy who's put up a
Speaker 1: lot of good film in his career, Stefan Gilmore. So
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be that worried about paying him. I'd be
Speaker 1: more worried about the one year guys like Tony Jefferson
Speaker 1: was a great player for the Cardinals. You know who
Speaker 1: else was great? Like DJ Sweringer, who has been kicking
Speaker 1: around the league playing safety for the Cardinals. He kind
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere, not a huge physical specimen,
Speaker 1: and because teams need safety so bad, like he could
Speaker 1: get a monster contract. He he pops the mind and
Speaker 1: the same conversation on the Simmons podcast with Lombardi, Lombardi
Speaker 1: would call him like r J. Booya just would just
Speaker 1: keep rolling. I get what you're saying. And he also
Speaker 1: seems like he could be a guy who's an ascending
Speaker 1: talent and still his room to improve. I think he's
Speaker 1: a guy who works really hard. I think they're both great.
Speaker 1: I had him in the both in the top twelve overall,
Speaker 1: just trying to pick between one between the other. Well,
Speaker 1: cornerback is one of the key positions obviously in football.
Speaker 1: Here's a question, what are in free agency when we
Speaker 1: look at this list, what are positions of strength where
Speaker 1: you there's a lot of depth where you can get
Speaker 1: value and there's there's a list to go down. If
Speaker 1: you miss this guy, you can still get this guy
Speaker 1: or this guy. And on the flip side, what are
Speaker 1: positions that are really light? I know, offensive lines one
Speaker 1: of them you cannot get. You can't get good tack well,
Speaker 1: it's it's very hard, but you can't get good guards.
Speaker 1: Kevin Zeitler of the Bengals is a good guard. T J.
Speaker 1: Lang of the Packers. Uh, you've got who's the guy
Speaker 1: from the Larry Warford from the Lions. You've got good guards.
Speaker 1: And I think defensive tackle is a strong Brandon Williams done,
Speaker 1: Terry po and Jonathan Hankins is really good for the
Speaker 1: Giants too. I think if you want a a run
Speaker 1: stuff eat defensive tackle, this is this is the year
Speaker 1: for you. He's gonna be hard to keep too. Now
Speaker 1: that I think of them paying all that money to JPP,
Speaker 1: they're paying it to Snacks. Can you pay all four
Speaker 1: guys on your line more than twelve million dollars? Alan
Speaker 1: Branch too from the Patriots, who was the monstrous guy
Speaker 1: in the middle of the defensive line. It hasn't allowed
Speaker 1: a ninety yard rusher in a long time. I don't
Speaker 1: get the Bengals allowing Kevin Zeitler needs to float away
Speaker 1: because that to me, if you want to flip side,
Speaker 1: look at value type of guys. I think, if you
Speaker 1: pay him what the market is for a very solid guard,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get years of good play out of him.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of guy that you want to get
Speaker 1: in free agency. If in my book, it's weird they
Speaker 1: have this kind of AMMO that they don't pay guards,
Speaker 1: like that's just what they do that they don't They
Speaker 1: didn't pay Eric Steinbock, they didn't play Bobby Williams. Those
Speaker 1: are two guys I can think of that that left
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that's kind of just what they do well.
Speaker 1: I think after watching the other try to play tackle
Speaker 1: last year, maybe they have to move him inside the guard.
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, your buddy moving sticks and he says, this
Speaker 1: is a terrible tackle class. And so that is a
Speaker 1: that's a trouble. Like everyone needs attack offensive tackle right now,
Speaker 1: it's not available, like Riley Reef. There's another answer for
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna get overpaid, probably just because he's
Speaker 1: a guy who's okay and he plays that position. I
Speaker 1: don't know what your team needs to tackles, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I don't I can't get any relief
Speaker 1: in free agency or the draft. That's what I'm hearing
Speaker 1: from people. Jets quarterback, I mean, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: blood best that again, like sometimes I'm coming Mark, I'm
Speaker 1: coming for that corner. I'd be happy you're this. This
Speaker 1: whole thing is just ridiculous. And then but then again
Speaker 1: sometimes they're like this class is loaded in plug and
Speaker 1: play ten years, start offensive lineman. Just watch Eric Fisher,
Speaker 1: Luke jokel Chance Warmack. Like it's like the Jets will
Speaker 1: draft someone in the fifth round that no one's heard
Speaker 1: of in this studio, which wouldn't be hard to do,
Speaker 1: and then and then and you know what, he'll play
Speaker 1: for five straight years. You never know anyway, Speaking of
Speaker 1: my Jets, Nick Mangold one, So you guys are into
Speaker 1: selling him a little bit. If he's healthy, signs with Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's thirty three years. Thirty three is not ancient for
Speaker 1: a center in the NFL. You don't see too many
Speaker 1: centers over thirty three. I'm not saying like a rich
Speaker 1: five year deal, but if he goes to a contender,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised. If he's having a really nice season,
Speaker 1: go do you could do a Chris Long w'll get
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring, We'll do an Alex Max. This
Speaker 1: this Mangold thing brings up an interesting, at least to me,
Speaker 1: point of order. So Mangol gets cut on Saturday and
Speaker 1: I see that, Oh gotta make an adjustment to the
Speaker 1: top one hundred. It's going up Monday morning. West is
Speaker 1: off gallivantin around. That's one way to put it. That's
Speaker 1: South Coast with who knows, with who knows what with
Speaker 1: his you know, with a with his you know, lovely paramore,
Speaker 1: but also just meeting all sorts of cast of characters
Speaker 1: like it's a like it could be some sort of movie.
Speaker 1: Should I bug him about Nick Mangle there? Should I
Speaker 1: just make an executive decision and just throw him on
Speaker 1: you know where I was? I didn't bug him, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I Sigoa Mountain Brewery and ran into one of our
Speaker 1: podcast listeners. Andy was tending bar at this place. Nice
Speaker 1: guys sent me up, Send you guys a message, sent
Speaker 1: us a beer. It would be better I have. I
Speaker 1: have it and I will bring it into Yeah, that's aw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw a clip of it. I do. I do
Speaker 1: like the fact that nineteen out of twenty podcast listeners
Speaker 1: that you've met and befriended our bartenders. Let's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what you're going to have. Where else am I
Speaker 1: going to go? Right? Well? Who who else does West
Speaker 1: speak to next? Other than us? Like in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like his brothers. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run into museum curators probably who knows, Maybe we're
Speaker 1: huge in the museum curator industry. You never know that
Speaker 1: would necessitate me being in the museum to meet him
Speaker 1: or I do. I like the idea of of West
Speaker 1: a movie about West's weekend with his paramore, and I
Speaker 1: like it being called road Trip. And but there was
Speaker 1: a movie that came out about fifteen years with Tom
Speaker 1: Greene uh and some other people. Uh barely remember that movie.
Speaker 1: Who else was it? But they were going to it's
Speaker 1: a good college of all places. Yeah, breck and Meyer
Speaker 1: was involved, I believe anyway. But to change it, we'll
Speaker 1: put a slammer at the end road Trip with the slammer,
Speaker 1: if we could get into the Friday nights activities, then
Speaker 1: we can really unearth some interesting nuggets. I think that's
Speaker 1: we'll save that for the After Hours podcasting podcast. Skin
Speaker 1: Amax edition of the around the NFL podcast. I thought
Speaker 1: my original idea for what I thought, I'm unfair to
Speaker 1: say my original idea for what the movie would be
Speaker 1: called was was better. As much as I like your
Speaker 1: Sideways too, people love Franchises says yeah, always love people
Speaker 1: love franchise, People love frantise. Been a while since Sideways
Speaker 1: been out, and it's like, you just read then you're
Speaker 1: connecting it to Sideways, but you're yeah, you were were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're in the same area, but now it's it's West
Speaker 1: in the Paramore. It's a whole different things. Were like
Speaker 1: the writer of the director, anyone attached to the first incarnation,
Speaker 1: do not acknowledge this part two on any level. It's
Speaker 1: like American Psycho to starring Mia Kunis. It's a thing
Speaker 1: that exists. Yeah, Sideways one of my favorite movies too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what about the Slammer road Trip? I like both
Speaker 1: of them. I like that. To tell the truth, I'd
Speaker 1: accept either one. Okay, cool, alright, we got this. Wait, sorry,
Speaker 1: road Trip, Slammer, Colon Sideways to Winter or Sideways to
Speaker 1: Colin Road. But everyone's acting more of a title this way.
Speaker 1: You throw them off. You think it's something else, And oh, wait,
Speaker 1: it's sideways two at the end. Nobody, everyone's completely wrong,
Speaker 1: wrong sided market. Nobody puts the sequel number after and
Speaker 1: you put a cool after a slam. No, I think
Speaker 1: we could do what we want. These guys are hammered.
Speaker 1: They're driving up the coast. They put Colan's after slam.
Speaker 1: What the hell's going on out here? Graphically, because you
Speaker 1: could play with it when you're selling the movie. The
Speaker 1: colon has the line on top. That's a So it's
Speaker 1: a slammer and a colon at once. I love it.
Speaker 1: It works for me. Settled that. Here's some snap judgments, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I would like you to make because these players are
Speaker 1: not and I'm saying snapped. I'm saying you gotta. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back and forth. You're gonna tell me where
Speaker 1: they are in the top one, one oh one? Uh
Speaker 1: if they end up making it? Jay Cutler, Greg mhm
Speaker 1: snap snap throwing it to West. Yeah, right ahead of
Speaker 1: Mike Glenn and probably everyone. You ask me, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: place right ahead of Yeah. No, I'm even higher than that.
Speaker 1: I'm going let's go, let's go snap it up. Adrian Peterson,
Speaker 1: he'll be top ten. No, he will not be in
Speaker 1: my top third once these franchises. Okay, maybe I would
Speaker 1: definitely have Adrian Peterson over Terrell Prior, so that would
Speaker 1: put him in the top fifteen for me. Doug Martin, oh,
Speaker 1: I think I think right above Mike Lennon. Uh. We
Speaker 1: have Eddie Lacey at thirty nine. I am definitely putting
Speaker 1: him below because the off field stuff. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta learn more what's going on. It seems like a
Speaker 1: really serious I'll tell you about it after the show.
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall could help somebody. He's you have to rank
Speaker 1: him ahead of Kenny Britt, who is that thirty eight?
Speaker 1: I would say Brendan Marshall in the twenties. Pere Garson
Speaker 1: is twenty nine. I think I think I might put
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall just the head of Pierre Grosan, even though
Speaker 1: he's a year a few years. It's a better player
Speaker 1: than That's what I'm Where's out his welcome everybody goes
Speaker 1: it does. And finally Jamal Charles, he's tricky. It's turning thirty.
Speaker 1: He has barely played in two years. We had a
Speaker 1: similar guy on the list last year named Arian Foster,
Speaker 1: who he put at number thirty, which ended up being
Speaker 1: way too high. We have Lottavius Murray at fifty seven.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not putting him above Murray or Blunt. The
Speaker 1: running backs definitely get discounted on this list a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean he's probably in the sixties or seven. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I've taken him way ahead of Litavius Murray. I want
Speaker 1: a good running back, and Jamal Charles might someday get
Speaker 1: that back. I don't know if Littavias Murray's ever going
Speaker 1: to be a good running fair. You could look at
Speaker 1: him as this year's Arian Foster where high upside. But
Speaker 1: you know what happens is it's easy to make that
Speaker 1: connection and then to a year later say boy, why
Speaker 1: didn't we see that coming? But it doesn't always work
Speaker 1: that way. Right now, he he, I could. I could
Speaker 1: be willing to be convinced. I think you're right because
Speaker 1: when he plays, and he's right, he's a great player.
Speaker 1: He's not that old um. All right, And again you
Speaker 1: can check all this out, And sorry if those weren't
Speaker 1: snappy enough for you. I but I got the info
Speaker 1: just looking for something like I wanted, like Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: six four Jamal Charles. But it gives us something to
Speaker 1: work on for next year. Okay, good like watch watch
Speaker 1: watch how it works with Mark Sessler, J Cutler. That's
Speaker 1: what I was looking for. Uh and uh the final
Speaker 1: thing I have here as we uh spend a long
Speaker 1: time in the lab. It's musty down here, by the way,
Speaker 1: guys should uh you know, get getting maybe a filter
Speaker 1: and air filter down here. That's the magnesium. Which player
Speaker 1: in in the top twenty five named one player in
Speaker 1: the top twenty five? Um, you are the most concerned
Speaker 1: about a major because I am asking the questions. Don't
Speaker 1: ask questions back. I most concerned about a big whiff.
Speaker 1: And and I did look back at the list of
Speaker 1: just some examples Mary Williams at seven, You had brock
Speaker 1: Oswiler at thirteen, Ryan Fitzpatrick at three. There will be
Speaker 1: some here that turned out to be either bad bad
Speaker 1: signings by the team, but also maybe you guys evaluated
Speaker 1: them improperly, keeping it real who you worried about. Like
Speaker 1: you you said, I have to put this guy high
Speaker 1: in the list, but in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: this guy might be struggling to even have a job
Speaker 1: next year. WHOA no, no, I meant like that, well,
Speaker 1: Riley Reef is twenty six. Not a sexy answer, because
Speaker 1: what do I know about Riley Reef? Don Terry Poe
Speaker 1: I could see being being he didn't look as explosive.
Speaker 1: He wasn't used to be one of the most athletic
Speaker 1: big man you'll see, and I think he he was
Speaker 1: more of a two down guy last year as opposed
Speaker 1: to a three day on defensive tackle. Mark Anything surprised
Speaker 1: you on this list really jumped out at you, and
Speaker 1: you said, what the heck? No, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: I think of all the years that we've dug into
Speaker 1: the free agent class that this is and it's no
Speaker 1: reflection on the on the on the list that you
Speaker 1: guys did. You get a great job with it. But
Speaker 1: it's a low wattage group and we can we can
Speaker 1: drum up excitement for you know what the top ten
Speaker 1: will be a week from now, but it's free agencies
Speaker 1: change this offseason, as we said at the top of
Speaker 1: the segment. So not surprised outside of the fact that
Speaker 1: it's less exciting than you'd think free agency would be.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised that when uh Wes and Greg did
Speaker 1: their NFL Network hit on this list. They wore suit
Speaker 1: jackets in the podcast studio. I think they look sharp.
Speaker 1: I don't know why why what we normally wear was
Speaker 1: suddenly deemed not good enough because we because the next
Speaker 1: day we're all wearing this stuff. Well, if anything, that's
Speaker 1: I don't think who trove, who trot Where did the
Speaker 1: decision come from? I guess, yeah, where did that come from?
Speaker 1: Let's break that down. I think for me it comes
Speaker 1: from an incredible insecurity about my work wardrobe when it
Speaker 1: comes to being on film because of all the feedback
Speaker 1: we've gotten over the years, and I think, um, I
Speaker 1: probably I see NFL Networks, Greg Rosenthal and TV and
Speaker 1: he's often wearing a jacket. So for me, my mind
Speaker 1: just naturally went to Jack Rosenthal keep sending them in. Folks.
Speaker 1: That was a good quick Yeah, I talked over and
Speaker 1: I want to hear it aget Son that NFL Networks WO.
Speaker 1: That was kind of like a deliverance. Yeah, very much.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Did that come from Tybee Island? Probably?
Speaker 1: I was from Rick Harrick, He's from Missouri. That's spanky Q.
Speaker 1: Well he should do some Jeff Bridge's voice over at
Speaker 1: work or something. We we caught some heat by the way, Um,
Speaker 1: we're talking to one of the um men with offices
Speaker 1: here that works in the NFL Network division, and we
Speaker 1: heard through the grapevine that one of the great higher
Speaker 1: ups now former higher up in this company third floor, which,
Speaker 1: as everyone knows if you listen to the show, we
Speaker 1: are not popular figures or even really known figures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd say so, he ironically was on the first floor.
Speaker 1: Were the people you know making more us Um, we
Speaker 1: were described as dweebs because we were headsets in the
Speaker 1: studio that they look like they look like a bunch
Speaker 1: of dweeves wearing the headsets. At one point there was
Speaker 1: an anti headset movement then coming back from a little
Speaker 1: the scene, no, that we don't need headsets to look
Speaker 1: like dweeps. All right with that set that that your
Speaker 1: talk about the NFL Network hit reminded me. We will
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Speaker 1: have all six members. Very rare that you'll hear from
Speaker 1: all six members of the of the writing team will
Speaker 1: technically I'm no longer part of that writing team, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear from all the five around the NFL
Speaker 1: writers and then myself as well. Yeah, but I write
Speaker 1: for the end around NFL dot Com slash end around.
Speaker 1: But all five writers of the around the NFL team, myself,
Speaker 1: we'll all be part of the podcast on Thursday, So
Speaker 1: make sure uh you check that out where we'll be
Speaker 1: breaking down those press conferences uh that happened every year
Speaker 1: leading into the combine the coaches and the gms. A
Speaker 1: lot of news always comes out of that, so check
Speaker 1: that out. Hate to quibble, but your articles still do
Speaker 1: appear under the the NFL section of the website. I'm
Speaker 1: working on that. I'm gonna eliminate. I'm gonna eliminate that
Speaker 1: if it's the last thing I do. No. I like
Speaker 1: that it keeps me connected on some level of enterprise
Speaker 1: and West, of course, is referring to NFL dot Com
Speaker 1: slash around the NFL or nfl dot com slash news.
Speaker 1: That's where you can read our stuff, so read it, okay,
Speaker 1: and then next week Free Agency Week three shows. Also
Speaker 1: go to Mark's author page and use the fight function
Speaker 1: to find whatever you want. Good luck. Three shows through
Speaker 1: the middle of June West, saving for the Fight podcast.
Speaker 1: It's a scorn your all right, let's go home. This
Speaker 1: is Dan Hanson's signing off. Four Quiet Storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the Boss, a new money behind the Glass till Thursday.
Speaker 1: And indeed, yeah, you're a loser, Dan bloopers after every show.
Speaker 1: That's fine, let's go