Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast lived long enough to see
Speaker 1: Greg become the villain. Welcome back to another edition to
Speaker 1: be Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansens,
Speaker 1: and I am joined by a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Gregg Rosatal. What's up? Boys?
Speaker 1: Sometimes those money drops pop up and I don't know
Speaker 1: where they came from. That one seemed a bit cutting almost,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it came from this room, so
Speaker 1: you start to wonder where did it come from. It's
Speaker 1: a it's amazing. I said it early on in this
Speaker 1: podcast history that that's my favorite part of every of
Speaker 1: the podcast, and that that remains true four and a
Speaker 1: half years in. Yeah, when the standing with faint praise,
Speaker 1: when the shout out is about you, that's what it
Speaker 1: needs to be. Called me a villain always, I always
Speaker 1: loved it. Your favorite part of the podcast is something
Speaker 1: that you have farmed out to the listeners and that
Speaker 1: Matt Smith does and you have let's just do it
Speaker 1: just that it rotates each time, just the whole, the whole,
Speaker 1: good premiss of it, and just I like it. It
Speaker 1: sounds good, it sounds official, it's ours. Yeah, we did it.
Speaker 1: This is the Monday edition of the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast UH taped February two thousand seventeen. West is wearing
Speaker 1: his man cannon. So that's how you know, despite it
Speaker 1: being the offseason, we're taking this very seriously. I think
Speaker 1: it was just hanging in my closet and it was
Speaker 1: ready to go. Don't undersell your decision to wear it today.
Speaker 1: It was the perfect day to wear it. And let's Greg.
Speaker 1: This is not a shot at you. First of all,
Speaker 1: good job on your NFL network hit. It's gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where Greg is taping these hits seconds before.
Speaker 1: He's going straight from the studio to the podcast studio,
Speaker 1: the television studio, the podcast studio, and he start to think,
Speaker 1: and I just tweeted this thought, is he squeezing in
Speaker 1: the network hit before the podcast. We're just squeezing in
Speaker 1: the podcast after the network hit. Very different, Greg, I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't even know what that's supposed
Speaker 1: to mean. The show, first of all, is one to two.
Speaker 1: It's off the era too, so it works out beautifully.
Speaker 1: Have you when we're taping, have you reached the point
Speaker 1: where you have handlers who rush you from one segment
Speaker 1: to another because I got trench coat over Greg, so
Speaker 1: no one spots him, none of his fans. I had handlers.
Speaker 1: They would have noticed my tie wasn't straight apparent. But no,
Speaker 1: the point I was I was intending to make just now,
Speaker 1: Greg was you know, it's been eight days since the
Speaker 1: Patriots won their fifth Super Bowl UH NFL network, and
Speaker 1: there's a whole floor of people that make a lot
Speaker 1: more than us that made the decision last week to
Speaker 1: put ninety plus hours I'm not exaggerating of Patriots content
Speaker 1: on NFL Network, And I guess it made sense. But
Speaker 1: then I come to work today Monday, eight days later
Speaker 1: after a weekend spent with my family, and you know,
Speaker 1: we could start spinning forward as a nation from another
Speaker 1: Patriots glory refest, and today on NFL Network is and
Speaker 1: I'll quote here, I heart the Patriots Day on NFL Network.
Speaker 1: Another ten plus hours of programming. Even even for you, Greg,
Speaker 1: you have to be getting a little sick of all this.
Speaker 1: I mean, who doesn't want I mean who doesn't want
Speaker 1: to see uh John Madden tell the Patriots for the
Speaker 1: seventy fifth time not to drive down the field when
Speaker 1: they get the ball with no time outs in a
Speaker 1: minute and a half to go, and in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl against the Rams. Who doesn't want to see Toroy
Speaker 1: Brown going across the field to set up the field goal. Well,
Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of people don't want to see that.
Speaker 1: But you were watching it, Greg was. I looked at well,
Speaker 1: like you can only really see Greg's from his eye
Speaker 1: the top of his eyes to the top of his
Speaker 1: head from where I sit. But I heard a little
Speaker 1: giggle about watching that final drive and we got back
Speaker 1: to yeah, right before, very happy about you know, a
Speaker 1: game that you know, kicked off one of the most
Speaker 1: amazing fans streaks of anyone in the entire building yours.
Speaker 1: Madden did bot to that a minute and a half left. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: he called himself out, though by the way I want
Speaker 1: to say he called himself out. He said, actually, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to rethink this. But he didn't say like I'm
Speaker 1: an idiot or anything. Uh, you know, he's a legend,
Speaker 1: but that when he got wrong, they had ninety seconds
Speaker 1: no time outs of the ball thrown seventeen and against
Speaker 1: the heavily favored Rams team, and Madden told a hundred
Speaker 1: and five million people watching at home that the Patriots
Speaker 1: should sit on the ball and take this to overtime.
Speaker 1: And of course that was not the right decision because
Speaker 1: he didn't realize that Charlie Weiss was on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Was that who it was that we should give? How
Speaker 1: about giving credit to Tom Brady one play I forgot
Speaker 1: the first play of that drive. He avoids a sack
Speaker 1: moving in the pocket very well, kind of the kind
Speaker 1: of the opposite of the Matt Ryan taking the sack play,
Speaker 1: avoids a five yard lost, gets five yards otherwise they
Speaker 1: don't even try that drag not John Madden's finest moment,
Speaker 1: but also should be pointing out how much football has changed.
Speaker 1: That was accepted wisdom in two thousand one that one
Speaker 1: minute is not enough time to go all the way
Speaker 1: down the field, and instand Tom Brady himself has done
Speaker 1: it so many times. Also, the game played on AstroTurf,
Speaker 1: a very a very hard looking AstroTurf at the Superdome
Speaker 1: and not an HD. So time times change. Big show today,
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Speaker 1: someone that I didn't realize was it was very It
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. There's more to it that I didn't
Speaker 1: mean it like that. I know you didn't, but I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: What was it? Don't apologize to me? Actually I would
Speaker 1: say that more all. And there must be wide birth
Speaker 1: of people to listen to the show because a lot
Speaker 1: of tweets about that. And to be honest, he was
Speaker 1: not on my radar a year ago. I had no
Speaker 1: idea who he was, so some people well not yeah,
Speaker 1: but people must love economics. People with money love economics.
Speaker 1: We don't have any him. That is also inappropriate? Is
Speaker 1: it all right? I mean it's yes, it is. I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose our sponsors, so I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: because you make it seem like I'm making light of
Speaker 1: the man's untimely passed Well, I'm that is exactly what
Speaker 1: you seem to be doing. I'm not sure that's what
Speaker 1: you are doing. On today's show, we will start. We
Speaker 1: will spin forward even if our own network cannot UH
Speaker 1: and look ahead to the season. UH. And specifically Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: you wrote a You wrote a banger. I read it
Speaker 1: right before it came up for your franchise tag primer
Speaker 1: what you do annually on NFL dot Com And I
Speaker 1: was curious and I'm sure you did it going back
Speaker 1: to your Rotal World days and p f T days
Speaker 1: as well, because i know the way Greg operates. You
Speaker 1: have your little columns that you like to line up
Speaker 1: for sure. How did you do last year? There were
Speaker 1: ten people franchise, How did you do last year? I'm
Speaker 1: just not putting in spot. I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: have to go luck. But you have nine you have
Speaker 1: predicted nine players will be tagged that the window opens
Speaker 1: tomorrow and ends April one, March one. So we will
Speaker 1: break down who is likely to be tagged and who
Speaker 1: will not be tagged. That might be you might get
Speaker 1: some surprises there. And also one of the big features
Speaker 1: of the off season for the around the NFL group
Speaker 1: of course is the top Is it ninety nine or
Speaker 1: is it one oh one depends on the year and
Speaker 1: the players involved. Okay, the top ninety it takes to
Speaker 1: be one oh one, but now I think programming told
Speaker 1: us they couldn't fit that on there anymore. So that
Speaker 1: was a wild reason to cut it down to two spots.
Speaker 1: But the top ninety nine free agents that piece from
Speaker 1: it's a it's a jam written by both Greg and
Speaker 1: west Lands. Uh few weeks from now, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: at least, you know, touch on some free agents to
Speaker 1: be that might not be tagged get into it a
Speaker 1: little bit. We're spinning forward. You can't you can't keep us.
Speaker 1: We can't be in Patriots wonderland forever. That's what this
Speaker 1: podcast is about, spinning out of the wonderland. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just spent four and a half minutes discussing rams
Speaker 1: Patriots from two k so, but before we do that,
Speaker 1: we will check in on the news and to do that.
Speaker 1: She is the first lady of the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: I think about her all the time. She's new money.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, raise there, yeah, almost a little bit too
Speaker 1: much praise right right on the line. How you doing,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. You're ready to go home? You said,
Speaker 1: to us before the show. Tough day to It's been
Speaker 1: a long Monday. Yeah, long weekend, but still I just
Speaker 1: wasn't quite ready for that Monday, that Monday grind. I
Speaker 1: feel you. Any Disney trips this past weekend? Wow, it's
Speaker 1: wild how many times? Well we've got like crew, I
Speaker 1: have a Disney squad that I go with, and yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: but I just read that day up the admission. I
Speaker 1: saw this on Twitter before the show to Disney at
Speaker 1: it cool? One hundred and seven dollars for one day,
Speaker 1: just in time for my son's to come of age. Perfect? Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, so you've got some cash. Obviously, this new
Speaker 1: money thing is not completely a favorite. It's all going
Speaker 1: right to the mouth Disney Fund. Your squad goals are
Speaker 1: simply to go to Disney as many times? What is
Speaker 1: the number? Would you say if you had to estimate
Speaker 1: how many times you've gone to Disneyland in my life? Yes,
Speaker 1: that number has become astronomical at this point. Just say,
Speaker 1: I've gone almost every week since I moved back this year.
Speaker 1: So since it's amazing, I mean since August almost every week?
Speaker 1: Is it? I have never been? Have you got to
Speaker 1: Disneyland a hundred times. Mmm, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: quite a hundred, probably close too. We need to do
Speaker 1: a Sydney Disneyland podcast. We need a long form on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: long form, really break it down. Hey, let's do some
Speaker 1: news said, Yeah, Gregor's is flabbergasted by the way. Greg,
Speaker 1: It's like, get to my column already. Now I'm holding
Speaker 1: Victor cruise with another translation. Greg wants to say something
Speaker 1: really cruel, and I'm I'm confused about I'm not alone
Speaker 1: and being confused about the Disneyland thing. And then and
Speaker 1: there are some things in life you just aren't gonna understand.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some research about this. I'm gonna find
Speaker 1: out why Sydney loves Disneyland so much. And I will
Speaker 1: report this because I am the around the NFL media insider.
Speaker 1: Why are you shaking? This is the worst subplot that
Speaker 1: this podcast has ever and it's not embraced anything that
Speaker 1: we that has ever touched us. This is the ugliest
Speaker 1: subplot yet. When you break wide open, you break the
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's jersey was still you need to leverage that,
Speaker 1: and I did that and spinning off into a new career,
Speaker 1: which is being a media insider, and when I when
Speaker 1: I break the Sydney story, you're gonna thank me for
Speaker 1: that drop. Well, I'll assume that I will. Let's start
Speaker 1: with the New York Giants, who have made a decision
Speaker 1: that no doubt makes Chris Westling extremely happy on this Monday.
Speaker 1: The team announced Monday that they have released Victor Cruz.
Speaker 1: NFL Networks Kimberly Jones, citing a source close to the receiver,
Speaker 1: said Cruz was doing quote okay upon hearing the news. Okay,
Speaker 1: But Victor Cruz is a player, of course, undrafted out
Speaker 1: of you Mass who became one of the most important
Speaker 1: players on the Giants offense for several years, played a
Speaker 1: huge role in their Super Bowl UM forty six victory
Speaker 1: and the road to get to that game against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But after a knee injury suffered in the teen season,
Speaker 1: he missed about a year and a half, came back
Speaker 1: this year, made some plays, but was out the same player,
Speaker 1: and now they say goodbye to Victor Cruze. Most likely
Speaker 1: Chris Westling. Um, you had an issue west all throughout
Speaker 1: the past year or so with the amount of coverage
Speaker 1: Victor Cruz got. But you're a man of the you're
Speaker 1: a common man, you position yourself that way. I don't
Speaker 1: position this this this player, this man, Victor Cruz is
Speaker 1: an underdog tail of a common man rising up to
Speaker 1: become a star, and I feel like he should be celebrated. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I can't disagree with. The Only thing I disagree with
Speaker 1: is that has been way longer than a year that
Speaker 1: I have had a problem with Victor. That he from
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven until a week six of two thousand
Speaker 1: four team when he tore his Pateller tenant, only Megatron
Speaker 1: and Brandon Marshall had more one yard games in Victor Cruz.
Speaker 1: He was the best slot receiver in the NFL for
Speaker 1: a two year period. Hey, that guy should be celebrated.
Speaker 1: He's he's a big factor in their two thousand eleven
Speaker 1: Super Bowl win two. But that guy has been gone
Speaker 1: for three years now. That's my only point. He probably
Speaker 1: won't have a huge market mark right, he's thirty years old.
Speaker 1: I imagine he'll catch on somewhere, but anything beyond a
Speaker 1: training camp uh invite. I would think that's all you
Speaker 1: can really guarantee. Yeah, not a huge market and probably
Speaker 1: much closer to the to the latter. I mean he
Speaker 1: he had a couple of moments last season where he
Speaker 1: would made some key catches for the Giants, But I
Speaker 1: don't know how you can invest a lot of money
Speaker 1: in someone that's just been so unreliable from a health standpoint.
Speaker 1: The odds on him being on a fifty three man
Speaker 1: roster in week one gives a percentage. M hmm, I
Speaker 1: put a little higher. But yeah, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: saying week one not not the off season. I'm saying
Speaker 1: there's a decent chance Cruises career is over. That's that's
Speaker 1: not crazy. I think there's a better than thirties percent
Speaker 1: chance he'll be joined Morning TV in New York that
Speaker 1: the Giants told us what they thought they played to
Speaker 1: Virus King and sometimes Roger Lewis snaps over Victor Cruz
Speaker 1: in key situations late in the year. He just wasn't
Speaker 1: He didn't have that explosiveness anymore. He's thirty years old. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll always remember he had one of the biggest plays
Speaker 1: in Giants history and also turned out to be kind
Speaker 1: of a turning point in Jets history. Christmas Eve, two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven, the Giants are seven and seven, uh and
Speaker 1: clinging to the playoffs. Jets are eight and six, hoping
Speaker 1: to get to the plast for a third straight year
Speaker 1: under Rex Third and ten from the one a ninety
Speaker 1: nine yard touchdown cruise where he beats Krimarti, breaks the
Speaker 1: tackle and then Eric Smith takes a dreadful angle and
Speaker 1: the Giants rallied to win that game and then never
Speaker 1: lose again win the Super Bowl. One of the biggest
Speaker 1: plays in Giants history. And Rex Ryan had a fascination
Speaker 1: with him. You remember that old Hard Knocks where he
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out who this Victor Cruz guy was.
Speaker 1: He was number three at that time. I was this
Speaker 1: jersey number and he had three touchdowns against the Jets
Speaker 1: and he went up to Coughlin Ryan after the game said,
Speaker 1: who is that number three? He essentially ended Rex Ryan's career.
Speaker 1: NFC championship that that year against the Giants ten catches
Speaker 1: a hundred forty two yards ten for one forty two,
Speaker 1: had a touchdown in that Super Bowl against the Pats
Speaker 1: as well. UH, good luck to Victor Cruz and s
Speaker 1: Jennings also gone, by the way, you're gonna say, ras
Speaker 1: Sean Jennings, let go. Uh A thirty one year old
Speaker 1: running back average three point three yards per carry last season.
Speaker 1: And for the I don't know if I call conspiracy theorists,
Speaker 1: but for people that are trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson could land, now there's an opening in that backfield. Uh.
Speaker 1: In New York. I can't think of an offense that
Speaker 1: would fit Adrian Peterson less than the Giant. Why do
Speaker 1: you say that they only run three recever three receiver sets?
Speaker 1: Was like time and they're always in the shotgun. It's
Speaker 1: the opposite of what Adrian Peterson needs. Paul Perkins and
Speaker 1: Shane Vereen are on the roster, you would think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna add another guy who can kind of go
Speaker 1: between the tackles. It will definitely drop someone. Lashawn McCoy
Speaker 1: is not happy, gentlemen. The Buffalo Bills running back had
Speaker 1: a very very nice season with the Bills over sixteen
Speaker 1: hundred total yards and fourteen touchdown uh. He was overshadowed
Speaker 1: a bit by Rex Ryan and all the circus in
Speaker 1: Orchard Park this past year, and now Pro foo Football's
Speaker 1: Focus dot Com has released their top the top one
Speaker 1: on one from PF. Let's start with a scientist, real
Speaker 1: quick here, any problems with PF rolling with the top
Speaker 1: one on one. Well, I think ours is ninety nine.
Speaker 1: There's was of the two thousand and sixteen season, I believe,
Speaker 1: or is it just players in general? Either way, it's
Speaker 1: not free agents, yeah, but just the number that's that's branding.
Speaker 1: I don't think that anyone in this building or anyone
Speaker 1: else came over the top one the concept of the
Speaker 1: top one hundred lists. So you gotta can't be too
Speaker 1: touchy on the top the top one and one players
Speaker 1: of list the PF rolled out recently and Sean McCoy
Speaker 1: not on that list. Uh so what does what does
Speaker 1: Shady do? He takes to Twitter, he ats PF and
Speaker 1: uh he has this to say, you guys suck a
Speaker 1: bunch of nerds who never played a lick of football
Speaker 1: in your life. I'll indulge in myself with a little
Speaker 1: eighties Dad comedy every once in a while. Always liked
Speaker 1: the rede of the nerds. Um, so there you go,
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy. Chris Westling goes after PFF for having the
Speaker 1: Nerds to not put them in their top one a one.
Speaker 1: No surprise whatsoever that Leshawn McCoy was a jerk about this.
Speaker 1: This is the same guy who tried to trash Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly's career by throwing the race card at him, very
Speaker 1: brazenly throwing the race card at him. Uh also decided
Speaker 1: to have a party where only women were invited, but
Speaker 1: he wanted to pick out their clothing nights to vet them. Yes. Also,
Speaker 1: I saw him treat reporters worse than I've ever seen
Speaker 1: any player treat reporters in my entire time on this job.
Speaker 1: He's just not a good human being. And this is
Speaker 1: more of the insider versus outsider things that Howard Howard
Speaker 1: cost Cell labeled the jockocracy. That there's an exclusive club
Speaker 1: of players, and what they do, Number one, they defend
Speaker 1: that club against all outside criticism. That's rule number one.
Speaker 1: Rule number two is delitid de legitimatize the legitimate lot.
Speaker 1: D legitimate lot. I can't do it. You don't legitimize them. Yes,
Speaker 1: de legitimize anyone who's not in the club as irrelevant.
Speaker 1: And we're not in the club. We didn't play professional football,
Speaker 1: so what we say, according to Lashawn McCoy, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Even though athletes aren't trained in communications, generally, they're not
Speaker 1: trained in print. They're not trained in television as a
Speaker 1: general rule, but what they say matters more than what
Speaker 1: we say. I don't think it's a coincidence that Football
Speaker 1: Outsiders is titled Football Outsiders. They're not insiders, they didn't
Speaker 1: play the game. I guess my concern would be, if
Speaker 1: you view these guys as a bunch of nerds who
Speaker 1: never played a lique of football, do you really care
Speaker 1: about their opinions so much as to even get on
Speaker 1: Twitter and address it little a thin skin scenario, it's
Speaker 1: a catch twenty two. You're legitimizing them by by saying this,
Speaker 1: and you're giving them great publicity. It's a win for
Speaker 1: for PF. For the record, uh, five running backs cracked
Speaker 1: that top one oh one for PFF, Zeke Elliott twenty two,
Speaker 1: David Johnson twenty three, level j G I thirty one,
Speaker 1: and Jordan Howard. I think that Lashawn McCoy, whenever I
Speaker 1: saw him this season, he was as good as he
Speaker 1: ever was in my opinion, and he probably deserved the
Speaker 1: spot in this list. But PFF has their own They
Speaker 1: have a very set style of rankings, and just for
Speaker 1: the records, pass blocking killed them, and blocking in general okay,
Speaker 1: whom it's pass block, and he probably has some more
Speaker 1: negative plays because he's willing to found. He was an
Speaker 1: m VP candidate for a stretch of this season early on.
Speaker 1: I think that PFF, for as much good as they do,
Speaker 1: really struggles to quantify how much blocking means for skill
Speaker 1: position players. Remember when they had ben Hartstock as the
Speaker 1: number one tight end, right? I mean you you, I
Speaker 1: don't think you to watch the two seasons and think
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard had a better season. I agree with you,
Speaker 1: But but blocking, you know, blocking lost the you know,
Speaker 1: having a running back that couldn't block lost the Falcons
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl with DeVante. That's fair. By the way,
Speaker 1: PFF offers a detailed explanation on their site how the
Speaker 1: grade players, and according to the site, the grades are
Speaker 1: quote verified by the Pro Coach Network and their four
Speaker 1: hundred years of combined NFL and college coaching experience. So
Speaker 1: I mean, like I wrote, work it out, guys, But
Speaker 1: you know, is it Collinsworth round that ship too? He
Speaker 1: owns I think he has a couple of licks of
Speaker 1: football experience. I don't quite agree when we do things
Speaker 1: like four hundred years of combined coaching. I mean it's
Speaker 1: probably how many men, is it? We don't know. It
Speaker 1: could it could be five, you know, four hundred coaches.
Speaker 1: He one coach, I mean, I know that's something, right.
Speaker 1: It's like three coaches with a few years and then
Speaker 1: one guy with like three hundred and fifty years. That
Speaker 1: he's a wizard, an old football wizard. They lives in
Speaker 1: a cave. They've hitted him in the basement. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't know. Actually he's he's the one that knows the least.
Speaker 1: He's just been around a long centering. Football wasn't invented
Speaker 1: three fifty years ago. It doesn't give a much experience
Speaker 1: the wizard head foresight what alright? Moving on the Oakland Raiders,
Speaker 1: they're staying in business with their head coach. The team
Speaker 1: announced Friday that they have given Jack del Rio a
Speaker 1: new four year deal UH contract that keeps him with
Speaker 1: the team if they still choose through the season. UH.
Speaker 1: Here is a statement from Mark Davis. The Raiders have
Speaker 1: torn up Jack del Rio's original only the Raiders release
Speaker 1: a statement that began that one. The Raiders have torn
Speaker 1: up Jack del Rio's original contract and rewarded him with
Speaker 1: a new four year deal. We are excited to continue
Speaker 1: building on the strong foundation that has been established, and
Speaker 1: this is a significant step in achieving that goal. Mark
Speaker 1: sessler right move to get into bed was deeper into
Speaker 1: bed with Jackie de absolutely got to get deeper into
Speaker 1: bed with jack del Rio. I mean, there there aren't
Speaker 1: that many coaches that you can really count on to
Speaker 1: last with teams for more than a couple of years.
Speaker 1: He's one of them. He did it with Jacksonville and moreover,
Speaker 1: he gets along very well with the general manager. That's
Speaker 1: an issue for half the teams in the league. And
Speaker 1: after what we saw this season, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that grew up a Raiders fan and he is proud
Speaker 1: to have this job and he absolutely delivered and brought
Speaker 1: the Raiders fans something they have not had in fifteen years.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what is more of a clear
Speaker 1: indication this guy is the right person right now for
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders. And of course you give in the
Speaker 1: country had a great year to year he was gave
Speaker 1: them when he created wins for them, He pushed all
Speaker 1: the right buttons. The only thing they got caught Dark
Speaker 1: Car getting hurt ruined their season, but that was not
Speaker 1: his fault. You could make a strong case for Jack
Speaker 1: del Rio is the most overlooked, under appreciated head coach
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He has taken the Jaguars to their
Speaker 1: only two playoff appearances this century. He did it with
Speaker 1: David Garrard and Byron left which not a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: He took the Raiders to the first playoff experience, like
Speaker 1: Mark said, in fifteen years. Here's some numbers that crunched.
Speaker 1: The Raiders were fifty six and one thirty six from
Speaker 1: two thousand two until they hired Jeff Jack del rio
Speaker 1: winning percentage. They are five four since hiring him. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars are to eighteen winning percentage since firing Jack del Rio,
Speaker 1: who had a five hundred record in his years with Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: This guy has made his teams better wherever he's been.
Speaker 1: That's all true, and I agree, But the argument against
Speaker 1: him would be one you've had against, you know, Marvin Lewis.
Speaker 1: He you know, Jack del Rio has won one more
Speaker 1: playoff game than Marvin Lewis in the same amount of years.
Speaker 1: By the time he left Jacksonville, it was time for
Speaker 1: him to go. But he's a good He's a good
Speaker 1: NFL coach. Also put an axe in a log in
Speaker 1: a locker room. I think he's gotten better with the
Speaker 1: Raiders to it's unfair to hold Derek Carr's injury against
Speaker 1: him this year, to hold like the teams in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: He wanted him to go into New England and beat
Speaker 1: the Patriots after he went into Pittsburgh and beat the Steelers.
Speaker 1: I mean just saying, I'm saying he's he's been fine.
Speaker 1: He hasn't. Lewis has favored in quite a few of
Speaker 1: those playoff games. Don't think anybody had the Jaguars favored.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed your pregnant pause. Yeah. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just that's fine. That's that's on him that he does
Speaker 1: I get. I'm just saying we judge some guys harshly
Speaker 1: for the lack of playoffs success. I think it's worth pointing,
Speaker 1: worth pointing. I think what he's done well in Oakland
Speaker 1: and we'll see how it works too with changing his
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. He seems like he knows the league. He
Speaker 1: knows people in the league, people believe in him. He
Speaker 1: knows how to hire a staff, and he did a
Speaker 1: great job of that in Oakland. Now he's switching up
Speaker 1: the staff, which you would think would be a risk,
Speaker 1: but it's the second time you know they're doing it
Speaker 1: and and you kind of trusted him to find it
Speaker 1: really helps too, when you lose that first job, go
Speaker 1: become a coordinator against see the league from a different
Speaker 1: pair of eyes, and when he's been a better coach
Speaker 1: with the Raiders and he's completely in a good relationship
Speaker 1: with the rest of that organization, that matters. His aggressiveness
Speaker 1: didn't start in Oakland. He was one of the most
Speaker 1: aggressive fourth down coaches in the NFL when he had
Speaker 1: Maurice Jones drew as a weapon there, and Marvin Lewis
Speaker 1: has been the opposite. I think he's been overly conservative
Speaker 1: to a fault. Right, I'm I'm just saying he did
Speaker 1: have five straight years without a winning record. It should
Speaker 1: be noted in the conversation. Let's move on, Let's move
Speaker 1: back to Orchard Park and talk about Tyrod Taylor. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people the football cogniscenty nice but
Speaker 1: that Tyrod Taylor's time with the Buffalo Bills is over
Speaker 1: after he got benched in Week seventeen and then Rex's
Speaker 1: number one guy supporter was fired. But that might not
Speaker 1: be the case. You have that h thirty point seven
Speaker 1: five million dollar contract option, which must be exercised by
Speaker 1: March eleven. But according to Vick Caruccia the Buffalo News,
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor has not ruled out a slightly altered contract
Speaker 1: to remain in Buffalo, but he's unwilling to accept any
Speaker 1: restructure that would reduce his pay. Uh and Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: because you wrote in your piece on around the NFL,
Speaker 1: that's where it gets tricky. That is where it gets tricky,
Speaker 1: because I think you could both of these sides could
Speaker 1: have looked in early January and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: the grass is greener. Tyrod Taylor can go find a
Speaker 1: team willing to pay him. The Bills can go try
Speaker 1: to get Tony Romo. And I think now it's become
Speaker 1: clear that neither of these teams can do anything. Neither
Speaker 1: of these sides can do any better. Tyrod Taylor is
Speaker 1: not gonna find a team willing to make him their
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, and the Bills aren't gonna find Tony Romo
Speaker 1: is not gonna agree to go to Buffalo. And it's
Speaker 1: also I don't know if Tony to people act like
Speaker 1: Tony Romo is and coming off an m v P season,
Speaker 1: and there's just great teams out there, and he can
Speaker 1: just he can just go around and pick, like, who
Speaker 1: are those teams? To me? The Bills are a decent
Speaker 1: pick is retirement, sure, because why would you go to
Speaker 1: Buffalo with why are they a decent roster? Who's on
Speaker 1: their defense? Now, I'm just saying that they they've won
Speaker 1: fifteen games last two years. That there are worst teams
Speaker 1: looking for quarterbacks like the Browns from there's not that
Speaker 1: any great teams like you know, the Bears who played
Speaker 1: great for their defense last year, Lorenzo Alexander, Zach Brown
Speaker 1: both free agents. Stephan Gilmore is a free agent. Where's
Speaker 1: the talent on their defense? I don't see it at all.
Speaker 1: This team is much closer to being a four or
Speaker 1: five win team than a playoff Plus, Tyrod Taylor wouldn't
Speaker 1: you rather wouldn't rather have him than Tony Roel. Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor finished the season playing before he was, you know,
Speaker 1: sent packing late in the year he was. He played
Speaker 1: some of his best football late in the year. And
Speaker 1: if you're the Bills and you're gonna get rid of
Speaker 1: him in this way, you've just hired a new coach.
Speaker 1: What are you going to give that coach at quarterback?
Speaker 1: You have to know that something better is coming in
Speaker 1: and there's literally zero guarantee of that if you're the Bills.
Speaker 1: Greg put yourself in n Greg Rosenthal shoes in a
Speaker 1: similar spec Ye. Yeah, pre Tom Brady and all the glory,
Speaker 1: and you were given the chance to stay with Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor or bring in the exciting, mysterious Tony as a fan.
Speaker 1: As a fan, yeah, I would go with Roma. I
Speaker 1: think that's the way a lot of Bills fans probably feel,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's a good fit for
Speaker 1: Romo or the Bills. Right guy and stayed healthy for
Speaker 1: three straight games in three years. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: they benched Tyrod Taylor for e J Mane. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why they've been reluctant to extend Tyrod Taylor. Right
Speaker 1: and Doug Whaley, you know, there is a report that
Speaker 1: they're kind of open to card L Jones maybe competing
Speaker 1: for the starting job. Doug Waley used to love Ejan
Speaker 1: But here here's the big thing that's changed in Buffalo
Speaker 1: that we we haven't mentioned Rick Dennison is their offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator Rick Denison. Uh is coming from Denver, a team
Speaker 1: that tried to sign Tyrod Taylor just two off seasons
Speaker 1: ago in free agency, directly after Rick Denison and Gary
Speaker 1: Kubiak coach Tyrod Taylor in Baltimore. So this guy has
Speaker 1: a history with Tyrod Taylor, he knows him, and you
Speaker 1: would think he fits the offense pretty well and and
Speaker 1: that that Dennison, who's running the offense, would go for.
Speaker 1: That would be for Doug Whaley a loss because it
Speaker 1: feels like Doug Whaley has been on this bizarre campaign
Speaker 1: to turn EJ. Manuel into an NFL starter, and it's
Speaker 1: very tedious moving on the New England Patriots or Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champions. But the business operation, the business arm of
Speaker 1: the Evil Empire, never sleeps Greg uh The Darren Ravel
Speaker 1: of ESPN Reporter over the weekend of the Patriots have
Speaker 1: filed a trademark the phrase blitz for six and not
Speaker 1: of course, to New England's five Super Bowl titles, and
Speaker 1: they're assumed quest in seventeen. The paperwork was dated just
Speaker 1: two days after the Patriots beat the Falcons and Super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty one. UH. Some other interesting little Patriots trademark
Speaker 1: news mark is what we're going through right now. They're
Speaker 1: very serious about this stuff. For Vel also reported the
Speaker 1: team filed to trademark quote ignore the noise a week
Speaker 1: before the Super Bowl. Job being proactive there, Greg gotta
Speaker 1: lock that one up and filed for no days off
Speaker 1: on the same day. Belichick attempted to get that chant
Speaker 1: off the ground at the Patriots victory parade. Uh. The
Speaker 1: team has received trademarks in the past for both do
Speaker 1: your job and we are All Patriots in recent years,
Speaker 1: and they've also recently received trademarks for nineteen and oh
Speaker 1: and the Perfect Season, which I'm sure Eli Manning chuckles
Speaker 1: about in quieter moments. Well, that's probably what they think
Speaker 1: will happen next year. I mean, here's my the one
Speaker 1: of all these these are very tedious. I get why
Speaker 1: they're why they would want to why get locked these
Speaker 1: down and make sure they don't get put on, you know,
Speaker 1: T shirts made somewhere else in all this business. But
Speaker 1: no days off is when you, to me, started to
Speaker 1: look and just well, that's all. It is incredibly pompous.
Speaker 1: It is incredibly pompous, and you're you're looking out at
Speaker 1: all these Patriots fans and I realized all that we're
Speaker 1: taking a day off to come to your parade. But secondly,
Speaker 1: trying to just tell the average person out there that
Speaker 1: works hard for a week new days off. I mean,
Speaker 1: give me a break. Who is lining up for that
Speaker 1: and actually living that out. Mark took it as a
Speaker 1: shot because do your job. Do your job. When you're
Speaker 1: at work, do your job. That makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: But this idea that all humans suddenly Bill Belichick's suggesting
Speaker 1: that no one should take a day off, I mean,
Speaker 1: that is that is beyond the pale ridiculousness. I think
Speaker 1: it was perfect that Darren Ravelle was the one to
Speaker 1: report this because of all human beings on earth, like
Speaker 1: if the Patriots were beating the rush on Blitz for six,
Speaker 1: ravel is the only one who would come up with
Speaker 1: something that's stupid. Well, everyone didn't. Teams always trademark these
Speaker 1: nonsense things. It's just, you know, there's a little more
Speaker 1: fun on the Patriots. Sure, remember that the Steelers were
Speaker 1: all about like one for the thumb. I can almost
Speaker 1: get that. But blitz, you know one of the Jets
Speaker 1: trade rocking in February. I mean, all teams do it
Speaker 1: if they get into a situation but New England is
Speaker 1: going trademark nuts. Also Blitzer six is yeah, terrible terrible
Speaker 1: blitz Are they like a known as like it's extremely corny.
Speaker 1: It's just come up with some other ones then I'm
Speaker 1: sure they have yeh. They probably have some poor man
Speaker 1: locked in their basement cranking out these names. And this one,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, made it up the chain. One of
Speaker 1: those two balls, put a ring on your junk man?
Speaker 1: Where where do those two ball boys? No, they're not
Speaker 1: buried under the turnpike. They're coming up with terrible slogans
Speaker 1: somewhere in a basement. A lot of stuff to unpack
Speaker 1: here you Mark has a great take on where the
Speaker 1: flatirs are there in the basement cranking out these titles
Speaker 1: to stay alive? And um, that's what they for food
Speaker 1: and water they get that. And what was your thing? Greg?
Speaker 1: What did you say? Had I said? One of the
Speaker 1: ones rejected was put a ring on your That was
Speaker 1: that was the steak. He's not getting longer for Sydney thing,
Speaker 1: said she laughed. Actually it's just an empty chair spinning
Speaker 1: in the door closing all right. Finally, uh, one last
Speaker 1: note here, Um, as you might have assumed it would happen.
Speaker 1: After I I threatened the more of the weak willed
Speaker 1: listeners about um the chewing sounds. Uh, someone actually did
Speaker 1: come at me. Some people really want to hear the
Speaker 1: banana drop, which I'm not gonna just be willy nilly
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, it probably will come. There are massochists
Speaker 1: in all lines of work. But there was a man
Speaker 1: that very uh seriously and earnestly tweeted at me that
Speaker 1: he unsubscribed from the show because it was disrespectful of
Speaker 1: me to come at him about a sound effect. Um.
Speaker 1: So I did a little research and apparently this is
Speaker 1: a real thing. The people that have been complaining about
Speaker 1: the drop, the sandwich drop, it is misoponia. Uh is
Speaker 1: isear this sounds on you? Are you sure about this?
Speaker 1: I think it's a prank on the people that suffer
Speaker 1: from it, because misoponia, uh is an affliction where people
Speaker 1: can't deal with the certain chewing sounds or just certain
Speaker 1: sounds in general that are kind of an everyday part
Speaker 1: of life, but for some reason it cuts through them.
Speaker 1: And the good news is I want to be um
Speaker 1: somebody that tries to help Mark. That's why I feel
Speaker 1: like part of the reason we're on this on this
Speaker 1: earth is to help others continue. I want everyone to
Speaker 1: know that on February eighteenth and nineteen at Circus Circus
Speaker 1: Hotel and Casino, UH, there will be the fourth Annual
Speaker 1: Misoponia UH Association Convention and President's Day weekend, so you'll
Speaker 1: have a long weekend so you don't have to take
Speaker 1: a day off of work. UH. It's this upcoming weekend.
Speaker 1: You could register at MISO Convention two thousand seventeen dot
Speaker 1: event grid dot com and UH you could be with
Speaker 1: people that suffer from the same affliction. And I am
Speaker 1: not making light of it. Uh. It's very serious and
Speaker 1: that's where you can go to get help. Well, you're
Speaker 1: calling it a fear, all right, I do not think
Speaker 1: it's I I would say slown up to the fact
Speaker 1: that the sound of people chewing when I'm around, just
Speaker 1: even in our workplace, when you can hear people chewing
Speaker 1: on something is is awful. I hate it. I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of it. It is just it is I I
Speaker 1: cannot it is gross and I cannot tolerate it. Alrights
Speaker 1: pony UH is a strong dislike or hatred of specific sounds,
Speaker 1: also known as misso phonia. Also known a selective sound
Speaker 1: sensitivity syndrome, starts with a trigger. It is often an
Speaker 1: oral sound, the noise someone makes when they eat, breathe, chew, yawn,
Speaker 1: or whistle. Sometimes a small repetitive motion is the cause
Speaker 1: someone fidgets, jostles you, or wiggles their foot. And if
Speaker 1: you have a mild reaction, which people are getting a
Speaker 1: mild reaction from our podcast, I don't blame them. A
Speaker 1: little bit of guilt here. No, they're gonna stop the drop.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop the drop. But I feel a
Speaker 1: little guilty. Uh. Some of the symptoms anxious, uncomfortable, that
Speaker 1: urge to flee, which I guess is unbet it and discussed.
Speaker 1: Do you like the sound of people chewing on food?
Speaker 1: I mean, no one see. I think it's it just
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't get on your radar. The apple drop does
Speaker 1: not bother me at all. It's a crisp sound. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't find what about the pickle one the most recently?
Speaker 1: That is awful? But that is awful? Cross me? Are
Speaker 1: you getting the banana getting big yellow? It's no difference
Speaker 1: to me. They're the same, Oh said, are they the same?
Speaker 1: Seems like they're being more of a slurping sound with
Speaker 1: it is next level. Everyone listening to this podcast will
Speaker 1: come up with me so phony if you uh hear
Speaker 1: that once. Alright, so you're here to help, but you're
Speaker 1: also hanging over the heads of everyone a terrible threat. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I like the way you handled that day. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I don't know next book. I'm just trying. I'm trying
Speaker 1: my best, uh to both hear the critiques of the podcast,
Speaker 1: but also you have to you have to kind of
Speaker 1: sift them out because you can't not everyone you need
Speaker 1: to act on. But maybe this one, after I looked
Speaker 1: look this up, I feel maybe a little torn, like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we get rid of the chewing Druss, But
Speaker 1: I don't know what about the guy who thinks we're
Speaker 1: beholding to him going go he go? Alright, moving up,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, how do we want to do this? We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the both the free agency, um, the
Speaker 1: top free agents and I think west you said on
Speaker 1: our last show one of the weakest free agency class,
Speaker 1: the weakest you said in in recent memory. Um and uh,
Speaker 1: but as of right now, it's all pending free agents,
Speaker 1: so and and the tags have not been handed out
Speaker 1: yet so a lot of players will get released, a
Speaker 1: lot of that will add to the pool exactly. And
Speaker 1: and and don't don't forget everybody the the the San
Speaker 1: Diego Graybeards. Where are they St. Louis? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I love to decide what city they play in. But
Speaker 1: this is very important for the Gray Beards. We we
Speaker 1: are tracking all these players as well as we form
Speaker 1: our two thousand seventeen roster. We're very excited. Let me
Speaker 1: just put it this way. We're very excited about Victor Cruz,
Speaker 1: both as someone that could play the slot and as
Speaker 1: an ambassador of the Gray band. I think this may
Speaker 1: be the worst Graybeards team you will field. And since
Speaker 1: going back to like the late nine eighties Plan B
Speaker 1: free agency, the Gray Beards are your your team of
Speaker 1: free agents unsigned midway through this if you're thirty or over,
Speaker 1: you have a home with me. Um My franchise, which
Speaker 1: originally was in Los Angeles. We we uh we moved
Speaker 1: to St. Louis and and yep, actually yeah, we're moving
Speaker 1: to uh San Diego this year. So the San Diego Graybeards.
Speaker 1: Little breaking news right there, all right now, great tough
Speaker 1: to break for St. Louis didn't even keep the Graybeards.
Speaker 1: I demanded a new stadium. They would not, Uh, they
Speaker 1: would not vote, and you put it out there. The
Speaker 1: public did not do their job for you. My hands
Speaker 1: were tied and I I've made the decision. Didn't want
Speaker 1: to do it, had to do it. The franchise Tag
Speaker 1: primer predictions for all thirty two NFL teams. Greg you Uh,
Speaker 1: you put this up on the site today, in fact Monday,
Speaker 1: and UM, you broke it down into as you are
Speaker 1: want to do. You broke it down into categories. Uh.
Speaker 1: And let's start with what you call the no brainers.
Speaker 1: You have five no brainers on this list. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll name them off right now. Eric Berry
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs, Chandler Jones of Jones of the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell of the Steelers, quant Short of the Panthers,
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins of the Redskins. So you're saying, in
Speaker 1: your mind, there is no way, uh, any of these
Speaker 1: players hits the market. I don't think there is. The
Speaker 1: only thing that could prevent the franchise tag would be
Speaker 1: a contract done in time uh for them, you know,
Speaker 1: not to put it on by March one or you know,
Speaker 1: by free agency. But I don't think that's gonna happen generally.
Speaker 1: Eric Barry said, he's not playing under the franchise, Like
Speaker 1: that's fine. The Chiefs can't let them just dictate. They
Speaker 1: gotta put the tag on him and see and it's
Speaker 1: no coincidence. It's kind of crazy. These are the five
Speaker 1: no brainers. These were also my top five, not in
Speaker 1: the same order, but my top five free agents. These
Speaker 1: I think are the five best players. And I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going anywhere. I don't think there's any chance
Speaker 1: that any of them are going in. But you have
Speaker 1: Eric Berry ahead of even lab is there. This is
Speaker 1: not that's not well. I think the reader is gonna
Speaker 1: think it's ordered when they see the numbers here. I
Speaker 1: don't see what happened. But well, there's what would you
Speaker 1: be ranking them? I don't know. I like that you
Speaker 1: called them to brainers, but then you give a long
Speaker 1: paragraph explanation for it. You could have been Bolden said,
Speaker 1: I don't even explain it to you. No brainer, here's
Speaker 1: the name. Have a nice day. You give them, you know,
Speaker 1: you give them. That's not how the texts are they
Speaker 1: going to get contracts or is this gonna happen some
Speaker 1: background Chandler Jones, for instance, you might want to know
Speaker 1: Bruce arians has already said it publicly, So it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm out on a limb. Without Gregg's explanations, we
Speaker 1: would not have been getting We would not have been
Speaker 1: given the benefit of two different strikethroughs in the opening. Wow,
Speaker 1: a double strike to strike JN. Fox got a strike through?
Speaker 1: What else? It's like that strike through bits? Yeah, a
Speaker 1: big spot from one question, is there one of these
Speaker 1: five that could go south if you, if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one, were suddenly somehow, in a shocking moment
Speaker 1: of actual breaking news that one of these guys becomes
Speaker 1: a free agent. I guess Kwan short just because of
Speaker 1: the Panthers history of doing surprising things, seems like less
Speaker 1: of a lock. But no, the only thing that could
Speaker 1: be go south year is Eric Barry and the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: maybe Levy on Bell and the Steelers and their negotiations.
Speaker 1: You know Eric burried in sign to August last year,
Speaker 1: couldn't you see I mean you could see the same
Speaker 1: thing happening in this time at going into the season
Speaker 1: because he is not happy and uh in the next subhead,
Speaker 1: it's we have the facts and we're voting. Yes, Royal
Speaker 1: were there in a big spot like it any anything?
Speaker 1: I thought I thought you'd be in the music. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a nod to a music group.
Speaker 1: Here we have the facts, Yes, maniacs. No, do you
Speaker 1: watch a Graham? Anybody watching a Grammys? But I didn't
Speaker 1: watched a large portion of them. I did. I texted
Speaker 1: you about it number oh yeah, oh yeah. You were
Speaker 1: not thrilled with the adele George Michael. I think she
Speaker 1: did a great job at the song choice was very odd.
Speaker 1: Of all the George Michael songs you could pick. It
Speaker 1: was a it was a late period song that she
Speaker 1: slowed down. It was a look I mean you want
Speaker 1: to talk about like that's the music business super Bowl
Speaker 1: And they were beset by technical glitches. James Hetfield's microphone
Speaker 1: didn't even work half of his song. Alca is still around, Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean they're war hoars of the heavy metal scene.
Speaker 1: People still listen to heavy metal absolutely. Yeah. That surprises me. Yes,
Speaker 1: everybody likes different things. I know. I just thought that
Speaker 1: like that. I thought they were like hair bands, they
Speaker 1: ran their course. People are like oh yeah that they're
Speaker 1: like there was a ruling everybody like. I don't think
Speaker 1: their latest work maybe resonates as much, but they're like
Speaker 1: the rolling They're still selling out Arena Stone. I feel
Speaker 1: it would be good. I would love to sit down
Speaker 1: and watch a four hour Grammy telecast with Chris Wesley.
Speaker 1: I didn't even pay it until this morning because you
Speaker 1: don't have a TV. Is that you're gonna shoehorn this in?
Speaker 1: Like I don't have a TV. Grammys are on. If
Speaker 1: I'm totally unplugged from all of that, it's about me. No,
Speaker 1: that's you said. You kind of like Chance the rapper,
Speaker 1: Like you know, he played like he was good. I
Speaker 1: like Beyonce, I like Adele, like Beyonce. I mean I
Speaker 1: was watching this with my wife and we built that
Speaker 1: Beyonce just looks stunning. What's just going on? She's Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a very attractive woman. I thought her performance was
Speaker 1: actually a little bit ponderous. I have to say the
Speaker 1: performance it was a little bit and I know that's
Speaker 1: not popular because anything she does aspect Oh, Beyonce stole
Speaker 1: the show a little bit on the ponder side, but
Speaker 1: she also got robbed. That should have one Album of
Speaker 1: the Year, Lemonade, She Got wrapped, gotta get that bee
Speaker 1: hive to the old Zeuser's uh car player actually lead
Speaker 1: the player. Yeah, what is the only CD I've I
Speaker 1: have in the last ten years because it's on Greg's
Speaker 1: service of choice. Uh what is it again? Title title?
Speaker 1: So I had to actually get the hardcore to listen
Speaker 1: to it. One of your weirder bits in the world.
Speaker 1: That not a bit that you are very anti title.
Speaker 1: I'm anti title too that Apple Music Spotify respects Spotify title. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love this other like global you know. He was like,
Speaker 1: these these musicians are full of themselves. That let me
Speaker 1: attach myself to some other global conglomerate. T take my money.
Speaker 1: What's the difference? Go to YouTube and google title opening
Speaker 1: press conference, speaking of Ponderous, I'll watch that. I'll go
Speaker 1: look that up tonight. Thank you anyway, And that was
Speaker 1: our Grammys wrap up, Moving on now I get it,
Speaker 1: get the field. Good call. I thought for a second
Speaker 1: that was Mark's good for you, just boiled up. This
Speaker 1: is good for you, for you and this is the
Speaker 1: case you guy. God. I mean it's I don't like
Speaker 1: to say it, but it's very similar. It is interesting
Speaker 1: that how the human emotions work. That yours was a
Speaker 1: moment of fury where you wanted to kill everybody in
Speaker 1: the room. Mostly, I'm getting lots of tweets. I even
Speaker 1: got a text from someone being like, you're not really
Speaker 1: getting along with Mark Lake. It's like, oh no, perceptibly,
Speaker 1: it's a text from someone that actually knows you. Who
Speaker 1: was it? You gotta reveal, gotta reveal it's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine that you don't know. I'm not gonna you
Speaker 1: would know. More important is what was the reply to
Speaker 1: that tepe? What did you say? You pull it up
Speaker 1: on your phone. I said the same thing I just
Speaker 1: said to you, like, that's ridiculous. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: we're just on the podcast. But I hope that's not
Speaker 1: a We were texting about La La Lander, Greg and
Speaker 1: I getting along just fine. What do you think I
Speaker 1: have no comment? I think that a no comment. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of what happens in the studio is
Speaker 1: you know, forgotten about the minute we walk out. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yes, so you walk back from that
Speaker 1: no comment right quickly? Well, I that's how I would
Speaker 1: handle just about any outburst in this studio is quickly forgotten,
Speaker 1: quick no comment unless it's made into a sound drop
Speaker 1: that gets dropped on your Twitter feed four thousand times.
Speaker 1: We have the facts and we're voting yes. By the way,
Speaker 1: a death cab for Cutie album Okay, I like death
Speaker 1: cap too good. Drop Buddy Terrell Prior, uh six A
Speaker 1: J Booie uh Bowie Booie Pott, Jason Pierre Paul and
Speaker 1: Melvin Ingram. Uh those are the you in your opinion,
Speaker 1: they will get the tag. Putting the tag well, Prior
Speaker 1: is a guy who's fascinating to me. You'd have to
Speaker 1: make him one of the highest Uh one, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did you know. I tried to get some opinions out there,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like, uh, if they I think they'll
Speaker 1: reach a long term He's the one guy on this
Speaker 1: list that I kind of think they might reach a
Speaker 1: long term deal in time, because if you're Tarrell Prior
Speaker 1: and you're the Browns, it makes sense for him to
Speaker 1: take twenty million guaranteed on a four year, forty million dollar.
Speaker 1: I could see them coming to like a quick deal.
Speaker 1: Whereas but if they can't, then I would think you
Speaker 1: put the tag on him. You can't let a talented player.
Speaker 1: Why right we talked about I'm totally with you, and
Speaker 1: the Browns have somewhere close to it, like a hundred
Speaker 1: million available money. What do you aiving this money up for?
Speaker 1: Because you don't use it year after year and the
Speaker 1: lot the worst case scenarios Terrell Prior going to the
Speaker 1: Ravens or the Steelers or Bengals and blowing up for
Speaker 1: twelve yards with to two hundred yard games against the Browns.
Speaker 1: So how about you keep them? I got something that's
Speaker 1: gonna should get you very excited. Mark, Okay, because in
Speaker 1: my opinion, if it's Brown related, if it's Brown's related,
Speaker 1: good luck. You're no longer to me the most hopeless
Speaker 1: UH fan in this room. I think the Jets kind
Speaker 1: of a darker future right now than the Browns on
Speaker 1: some level, because I think you there's a thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent chance that you have Jimmy Garoppolo and Terrell Prior
Speaker 1: coming off at hundred yard season this time next year. Chance,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if all that fell into place, there
Speaker 1: would be some hope. Don't that's Mark's corner, Oh, the
Speaker 1: hopeless corner. Do not try Stefan on that corner that
Speaker 1: that would be weird you coming off that corner after
Speaker 1: years and years, But if there was someone that had
Speaker 1: to take the corner would probably be Jets fans, so
Speaker 1: it would make sense in this room, yes, but for
Speaker 1: now you still have the corner, but securely have the corner.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's changing a little bit. Last year
Speaker 1: this time you're talking about the ten and six Jets,
Speaker 1: So thanks change quickly anyway, any other one, any of
Speaker 1: those other names, Greg that you wanted to hit on
Speaker 1: um J Mike Kara Folo said today that Giants will
Speaker 1: make a legitimate run at trying to sign JPP before
Speaker 1: free agency, and that had something to do with the Victor,
Speaker 1: the Victor Cruz and Sean Jennings releases. Well, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna pay Olivia Vernon seventeen a year, why
Speaker 1: would you not try to pay Jason Pierre Paul And
Speaker 1: if you can't, why not pay him seventeen for one year.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that crazy. They can find very
Speaker 1: good before you got hurt, you can find them. Booyer
Speaker 1: is a is a guy who might get paid more
Speaker 1: than Stefan Gilmore or any other cornerback if he makes it.
Speaker 1: But they had a better year than good. But I
Speaker 1: but I think they might just tag. They just can't
Speaker 1: let him get to the open market. The next category
Speaker 1: coin flips that land on no tag? Is that a
Speaker 1: death caps on as well? Now, uh, this is a
Speaker 1: three man group, three well established players. Donta Hi Tower
Speaker 1: who you last saw being just a wrecking ball and
Speaker 1: helping the Patriots in their comeback win and super both
Speaker 1: fifty one branded Williams, who's right out of the Snacks
Speaker 1: Harrison book uh as a middle of the line stuffer
Speaker 1: who can get paid in a big spot. And then
Speaker 1: Alshon Jeffrey a little sexy here, the wide receiver who
Speaker 1: we all know what he can do when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: but he's not always healthy. You don't think any of
Speaker 1: these guys get tagged when it comes down to him.
Speaker 1: These are I think we're close to fifty fifty, but
Speaker 1: I leaned towards no. Jeffrey is a tough case. They're
Speaker 1: they're going into their third year together Ryan Pace and
Speaker 1: John Fox and they're coming off a three win season
Speaker 1: and he's maybe the best player on the team. I
Speaker 1: don't know who who's better on that team, but he'll
Speaker 1: be do seventeen and a half million dollars coming off
Speaker 1: of a p D suspension. He was hurt. He doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily seem to want to be there that much. That's
Speaker 1: that's a tough call. This is what happens to bad teams.
Speaker 1: He predicted they're gonna the Super Bowl. Greg, that's true.
Speaker 1: To see that through. Definitely got to see that through.
Speaker 1: And then you have the final category here, not quite.
Speaker 1: You have six names here that don't don't meet the criteria. Criteria,
Speaker 1: but they could be considered, you would think, not quite
Speaker 1: a Delaware single from way back, Stephan Gilmore of the Bills,
Speaker 1: Trumaine Johnson of the Rams, Nick Perry, the outside linebacker
Speaker 1: the Packers, Kevin Zeitler, the guard of the Bengals, Riley Rife,
Speaker 1: and Larry Warford. You doubled them up. These are long shots.
Speaker 1: And then Barry Church and Morris Clayborne of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys are an interest in case Gregg, as
Speaker 1: you wrote in your piece, well, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of good but not great players I mean that are
Speaker 1: headed for free agency. Jerry Jones said it this weekend
Speaker 1: that you know they're looking for some war horses for
Speaker 1: their defense. And they're daddies. Were daddies, were daddies because
Speaker 1: they've got about five or six guys who played a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps for them up for free agency. But
Speaker 1: they're none of them are superstars. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: tricky off season, all right. So those are the Gilmore
Speaker 1: by the way, forget about him. He's he going going.
Speaker 1: So a lot of those players that we just talked
Speaker 1: about will hit the free agent market most likely, uh,
Speaker 1: come March something or other. What is free agency start
Speaker 1: this year? A couple of days after the combine. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's really March. Uh So Wes, you worked up
Speaker 1: a little bit of a list. Uh, we'll take just
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes here of players that we didn't
Speaker 1: just discuss but that are going to be at the
Speaker 1: top of the wish list for teams that have a
Speaker 1: lot of money to spend this offseason. But uh, the
Speaker 1: gifts that they're shopping for maybe not that great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's telling how shallow this class is that almost every
Speaker 1: worthwhile free agent has been named in Greg's peace on
Speaker 1: potential franchise tags. One guy is Clais Campbell. Actually the
Speaker 1: Cardinals have three guys with Chandler Jones, Clais Campbell, and
Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson all should be getting paid. Clais Campbell twenty
Speaker 1: nine years old, one of the best defensive linemen in
Speaker 1: the end FL, and I don't know if the Cardinals
Speaker 1: are gonna pay him or not. He's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I saw he was only twenty nine.
Speaker 1: It's kind of JPP like JPP Is and those they've
Speaker 1: been around and playing at a high level for so
Speaker 1: long and they came into the league young that it
Speaker 1: just you didn't realize. I didn't Campbell could get a
Speaker 1: huge money. Don Terry Pose another one. If the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are going to eventually find out find a deal for
Speaker 1: Eric Barry, they won't have enough cap room maybe to
Speaker 1: sign Don Terry Poe. Who is maybe not Brandon Williams
Speaker 1: because he's been he's had more health issues at nose tackle,
Speaker 1: but he's one of the most athletic nose tackles in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Who Greg and I know you worked up
Speaker 1: your own list and then YouTube, gentlemen, the scientists will
Speaker 1: go in the lab and make the top ninety nine.
Speaker 1: But who is at first blush the free agent that's
Speaker 1: going to get the most wildly overpaid. Your opinions wildly overpaid? Mark,
Speaker 1: if you have an opinion on this, I just oh,
Speaker 1: you think so, I do. Why why don't you think
Speaker 1: he'd be worth it? Well, he's only had basically eight
Speaker 1: good games in his career, and they were the eight
Speaker 1: last eight games of last season. He's had half a
Speaker 1: he said, half a good season in his career. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garobbo has had two good games in his and everybody
Speaker 1: needs cornerbacks. Makes sense. Stefan Gilmore, He's a guy who
Speaker 1: I think showed enough in his Buffalo career. But if
Speaker 1: you think about Sean McDermott and what they did in Carolina,
Speaker 1: they didn't look to pay Josh Norman. That was kind
Speaker 1: of the scheme who made their cornerbacks. He's the guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna get the free agency. He could get paid
Speaker 1: a lot. Alshon Jeffreys a good player, so I hate
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be overpaid. But if he makes it
Speaker 1: the free agency, and I think he will, he'll be
Speaker 1: the highest paid wide receiver in the league. I don't
Speaker 1: and he's not close to being the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the league, but I think he'll be making more
Speaker 1: money than any wide receivers ever made. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he can get a Calvin Johnson type of contract.
Speaker 1: The way you asked this question, I didn't take it
Speaker 1: to mean that it's gonna be a bad player exposed.
Speaker 1: Like v a Vernon was the most overpaid player last year,
Speaker 1: he ended up being kind of worth Was he right?
Speaker 1: Was he? In the end? I kind of think they
Speaker 1: would totally do that again. I guess if if you
Speaker 1: can just add an above average starter and you can
Speaker 1: fit them under your cap, it almost doesn't matter. We'll
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins not be overpaid. Every quarterbacks paid that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just how quarterbacks are paid. This list, though, with
Speaker 1: the look, with the class that we're looking at, you
Speaker 1: guys used to do. I thought it was nice you'd
Speaker 1: put someone notable at one oh one. If it was Michael,
Speaker 1: I think was there. So what are we gonna be
Speaker 1: at it one D and one or ninety nine or whatever?
Speaker 1: This list is gonna be Cruz. Oh, it's gonna be Vick. Yes,
Speaker 1: we might have to go to to I one to
Speaker 1: get the Victor Cruz. I am a little you know,
Speaker 1: worried or not worried, But every year everyone says that
Speaker 1: this is the worst free agency class. It has been
Speaker 1: trending that way because I think teams have more cap
Speaker 1: ram so they keep their better players. So I think
Speaker 1: that's that's somewhat true. But there's gonna be values, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be good players. I don't necessarily think it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be way different up to teams though, to not
Speaker 1: get in these bidding wars for players that aren't worth it,
Speaker 1: do they have to kind of see what's happening here
Speaker 1: the trend wise that you're asking them to code, I'm
Speaker 1: asking them to Well, no, that sounds like that. I'm
Speaker 1: just how about we don't go pay you know, a
Speaker 1: right guard ten times more than he's worth if he's
Speaker 1: not that player. But with the teams will invariably do that.
Speaker 1: When I compiled this list in in previous years, right
Speaker 1: around fifty five sixty, you start getting to the point
Speaker 1: where you're like, these guys are all the same to me,
Speaker 1: and and nobody wants to sign any of them this year.
Speaker 1: The cut off point, it's like thirty, Like these guys
Speaker 1: are crap. Makes the draft even more important. You gotta
Speaker 1: build through the draft. Mark big for you A lot
Speaker 1: of drafts. Why is it an offseason that for me?
Speaker 1: Because you don't even know if a draft works out
Speaker 1: until I get a lot of bucks and a lot
Speaker 1: of draft picks. The Cleveland Browns. It's all in front
Speaker 1: of him now. R G three could be a free agent.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Put him on the jet. It all
Speaker 1: fired up about RG three on Twitter the other day
Speaker 1: because some Browns fans were apparently delusional enough to think
Speaker 1: that he could still be the answer behind the center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it annoyed me just because RG three was one of
Speaker 1: the most impossible players to watch last season and the
Speaker 1: idea of going into another year with him as your quarterback,
Speaker 1: and that includes after what five months of like hyperbole
Speaker 1: and ridiculous comments and statements about what he is in
Speaker 1: the off season when you're throwing over a practice fence
Speaker 1: and hitting someone's house. I don't need any more of that.
Speaker 1: Let's get a real quarterback in there and get it done.
Speaker 1: If he it's a free agent list, Oh he could be.
Speaker 1: West would not allow it, but he could be. I
Speaker 1: might allow because saucy backup quarterback. That feels like a
Speaker 1: nice spot. I could. I could definitely see that. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're there are interesting names and players like the Patriots
Speaker 1: and the Packers, for instance, have a lot of free
Speaker 1: agents like Mark Tellis, Bennett and high Tower and Sheared
Speaker 1: and Logan Right like some of these guys they're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Hackers have seven or eight guys who are who are
Speaker 1: playing a lot. If you need a wide receiver, I
Speaker 1: think you can kind of find a wide Receiver's a
Speaker 1: lot of depth there this year. Kenny Britt, Pierre Garson,
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills, and DaShan Jackson. I mean, these are guys
Speaker 1: who are going to be starting in starting lineups next year.
Speaker 1: Jets have no good free agents. That's a plus. It's
Speaker 1: because they have no good players. But that is that
Speaker 1: is that speak to something terrible and very chronic. I'm
Speaker 1: coming up on Mark's corner real fast. Do you want
Speaker 1: why is this a victory? That's something I want? I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the reality of I can tell you
Speaker 1: it's a living hell. You're welcome to overtake this. This
Speaker 1: reminds me of the laborious um. It's the pain, rankings,
Speaker 1: debates over who had it worse. There was a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of hurt. No, I don't know about hurt feelings,
Speaker 1: but a lot of debate back and forth between the
Speaker 1: fans who had it worse when you came out with
Speaker 1: the pain rankings. This is a phenomenon in sports, and
Speaker 1: it started with Bill Simmons, like waving the flag for
Speaker 1: how much pain you've gone through as an athlete. It's
Speaker 1: it's something that if if that's all you have, you
Speaker 1: at least want to be recognized for that. So like
Speaker 1: when I did those pain rankings a couple of summers ago,
Speaker 1: when and I think I had the Bills three or four,
Speaker 1: there was just fury from Bills fans. You can't do
Speaker 1: that to us because we know nothing but pain. Uh
Speaker 1: so you need to make us number one. Well, you
Speaker 1: know everybody has everyone has a case. Once you get
Speaker 1: to that really sad group of five or six teams,
Speaker 1: everyone has a really strong unless you're a Chargers fan
Speaker 1: who you didn't even put on the list, and now
Speaker 1: they don't even they would have had it. This would
Speaker 1: have put them onto the list, This would have taken
Speaker 1: them out at the top. Didn't you add them? After
Speaker 1: I was starting on a project over the summer, and
Speaker 1: then Falcons could get Ladanian Thomason to talk to me.
Speaker 1: So I just abandoned it. That's how these things go.
Speaker 1: And then I went on my summer vacation and I said,
Speaker 1: away we go. We're flying. All right, Falcons gonna be added.
Speaker 1: Now that's a that's all. THAT'SO A tricky thing. The
Speaker 1: teams that have some success makes some Super Bowls, do they?
Speaker 1: You know, that's another cover. You need to do a
Speaker 1: middle of the pack pain rankings. Don't get the most
Speaker 1: painful and don't get the best, just like sixteen to
Speaker 1: A lot of last month was packers fans saying, I
Speaker 1: know it's not conventional, it's not but who has suffered
Speaker 1: more than us? How I'm not listening to that. I
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't hand out any blocks, but it
Speaker 1: was it was met with he's highly absurd. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: the idea you could do would be just the most
Speaker 1: forgettable teams in the middle of the pack rankings that
Speaker 1: would really annoy people, that would angry people, that would
Speaker 1: get maximum clicks. That's what the end around was looking for.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it for today's show. Um, I think
Speaker 1: we promised three shows on Thursday, but I believe we're
Speaker 1: actually doing two shows. We pulled back the curtain in
Speaker 1: a retrospective was a mistake because we made promises that
Speaker 1: we probably aren't going to keep. We're only doing two
Speaker 1: shows this week, and that's the way it is. Listen
Speaker 1: to one of them twice, that adds up to three.
Speaker 1: There you go. So we will be back on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: UH with our second and final show of the week.
Speaker 1: But we promised to make it extra special just for you,
Speaker 1: even for you people suffering from the misso phony. I
Speaker 1: will UH. I have taken thank you, I have taken
Speaker 1: your Luther Campbell under advisement, and we will decide we
Speaker 1: might throw the whole drop out. Now you might do it, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be that would that would show
Speaker 1: a lot from That would be the most generous thing
Speaker 1: you've done since UH, you know, taking away your vengeance
Speaker 1: call on Derek Carr that he didn't know about. I
Speaker 1: didn't take it away. It's definitely indefinitely. I've halted it,
Speaker 1: but I do check in on it occasionally and he
Speaker 1: still is not unblockedly, but shout out to all I'm
Speaker 1: talking hundreds upon hundreds of UH listeners who have been
Speaker 1: hitting up Derek Carr. Keep doing it. Bary him for this.
Speaker 1: He deserves it. It's gonna have the negative effect for you,
Speaker 1: But do you know what, I don't care. Maybe that
Speaker 1: is my vengeance ultimately keep sending them out it maybe
Speaker 1: it will change his mind. We'll be back on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone for listening. Uh till then, this is
Speaker 1: Dan hands is signing off for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the Old Boss, and new money behind the Glass. So Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Ms Aphonia, ms aphonia, ms aphonia, ms aphonia, ms aphonia,
Speaker 1: ms aphonia. John I Ruse Bird, John I Ruse Bird, Missophonia, Missophonia, Missophonia, missophonia,