Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast knows the overtime rules. Well.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes teaming even Mark Sessler, Chris Wessling,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Yes, yes, yes, she's back and everyone's excited. Colleen, well,
Speaker 1: fak a. Connie Fox, I speak Spanish. Yeah, that went well.
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to step on West's Hey Dan,
Speaker 1: and then there was a drop in there. That's a
Speaker 1: way to start the show though. Hey Dan, I like
Speaker 1: your Jim Harmow glasses. Colleen, thank you? Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you doing right now? Trying to get a shot of
Speaker 1: everybody that works for a podcast? Can't get Mark in
Speaker 1: there or Greg? Anyway, Connie Fox is back joining us.
Speaker 1: We're fivesome today. How exciting finnted even Yes, quintet much
Speaker 1: better than five some. Yeah, I'm in like the really here?
Speaker 1: This is very similar, uh, Mark Sessler, the spot that
Speaker 1: Colleen's in, It's very similar to what part of a
Speaker 1: bar that you should always covet. Oh, you gotta get
Speaker 1: Devil's perch, Devil's perch. Whenever you could get the spot
Speaker 1: in the bar where you're on the corner where you
Speaker 1: have your own little world, and you could see everything out.
Speaker 1: No one's behind you, but you could see everything, and
Speaker 1: you've got easy access to the bartender and most importantly
Speaker 1: of all, devil's perch. That's where you are right now.
Speaker 1: Do you have beer in here? We actually do, But
Speaker 1: Sydney has some behind the I mean it's been there,
Speaker 1: some beer, new money. Why has that beer been in
Speaker 1: the fridge for two years? Sydney. They're like pounders. It's
Speaker 1: been here longer than I have. So I say we
Speaker 1: drink those after the title games. Uh. This season, I've
Speaker 1: ranked the best Devil's purchase. Okay, well, Lost and Found
Speaker 1: is number two. Huckfos has the best Devil's purchase, all right,
Speaker 1: that's fair. More from l a standpoint, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: um the cozy number one. Yeah, upset because it's the
Speaker 1: jukebox there. And you know that little corner, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: little corner Lost and Found has the gross popcorn machine
Speaker 1: and the juke box. Well also, you know, I've not
Speaker 1: been to Lost and Found in a while, but but
Speaker 1: the recent times that I went there was there was
Speaker 1: a duo that they own the devil's perch and no
Speaker 1: one else is allowed to sit there. It's that kind
Speaker 1: of a bar. So they're falling down the rankings. That's
Speaker 1: you can't take away devil's perch from the people. Uh.
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Speaker 1: young friend of ours anymore. She's a world weary. She
Speaker 1: only travels with one of those pure bread great Danes
Speaker 1: now and um, she wears sunglasses at all times. She
Speaker 1: valets her car now. I think a great Dane would
Speaker 1: take me for a walk. It's probably about the size
Speaker 1: of me. Today's show, the Monday Night Recap, a Monday
Speaker 1: night football game between the Green Bay Packers and Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: will start there. We have some news to hit, not
Speaker 1: a lot, but a couple of items that we should
Speaker 1: touch on. Um, we will, Oh, we haven't done this
Speaker 1: in a while. There is you know, we're we're we've
Speaker 1: hit the home stretch. When Week thirteen begins, it will
Speaker 1: be December one. So how about a little what's more likely? Uh,
Speaker 1: focusing on the anger of the two thousand sixteen regular season,
Speaker 1: and then we'll hit the Thursday night preview, which is
Speaker 1: a game between Greg What come on, you gotta know
Speaker 1: the Thursday night it's Tuesday, the Minnesota Vikings, a team
Speaker 1: of a t L. I'm just getting you in the mix.
Speaker 1: I know the game coys, Yes, the Cowboys and Vikings.
Speaker 1: So how exciting. Colleen's here for it all. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: start with a little Monday night football. Yes, the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers with their backs against the wall on the road, uh,
Speaker 1: infilt Philadelphia. They needed this win to kind of stay
Speaker 1: in the mix in the NFC South, and they got
Speaker 1: the NFC North, and they got it done in a
Speaker 1: big way. There's only their second road win of the year,
Speaker 1: a seven thirteen victory for the Packers, and a victory
Speaker 1: in many ways that you could attribute directly to Number twelve.
Speaker 1: Behind center had an incredible ball game. Here is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite throws of the season. Here's the call.
Speaker 1: Chapter Rogers back pedals, locks the lot side of the
Speaker 1: ends one for dvat Diandams makes the catch backlide of
Speaker 1: the adamside. Touch stuff. Hey sense says, you know, throw
Speaker 1: and catch to beat Nolan Carrol West. Only one quarterback
Speaker 1: and football can make that pass. In my opinion, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers looks like Aaron Rodgers and that keeps the Packers relevant.
Speaker 1: I thought this was, along with the Falcons game a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, his best performance in September of last season,
Speaker 1: and it started from the opening whistle. The Packers controlled
Speaker 1: a game that a lot of people expected them to lose.
Speaker 1: Rogers looked great, Davante Adams has been coming on, Jordy
Speaker 1: Nelson playing much better, and they didn't have much of
Speaker 1: a run game again, but as well as Rogers played
Speaker 1: and the defense didn't embarrass itself, I have to feel
Speaker 1: a little bit better about the Packers chances in that
Speaker 1: division right now. Well, this was there, must this was
Speaker 1: their last stand. They go four and seven, three games
Speaker 1: back there, they're done, and they go out there and
Speaker 1: they play their best game of the season, and I know, Mark,
Speaker 1: you kind of wanted this Packers team to die and
Speaker 1: and go away, and yet I still have I still
Speaker 1: have a feeling this team is gonna be right there
Speaker 1: in week seventeen playing for the playoff spot. I'd be
Speaker 1: surprised if they're not. I mean, watching it, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more. It was vintage Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: That was shotgun out of a two year old film reel.
Speaker 1: He looked fantastic, and you know, the defense, which has
Speaker 1: been such an issue on the road, put up a
Speaker 1: good show. I'm concerned. I think all primetime games get more.
Speaker 1: More is drawn and assumed from a primetime game than
Speaker 1: like if it were lost on a Sunday. That annoys
Speaker 1: me always. But at the same time, that was a
Speaker 1: statement win by the Packers saying we're not done yet.
Speaker 1: Sorry Mark, Cessler, sorry everyone else who wants this team
Speaker 1: out of here. Well, I'm really glad that the Packers
Speaker 1: could get themselves right again against the Eagles at home
Speaker 1: in prime time. It was really nice. It was really
Speaker 1: nice to watch. I was watching at home last night
Speaker 1: and I was yelling at the TV and John was like,
Speaker 1: are you caring right now? And I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I care. Because the Eagles defense at home had been
Speaker 1: really good before the Packers, the wheels were falling off.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe this would be the game that the
Speaker 1: Eagles could step up. But the offense they were playing
Speaker 1: with the skeleton crew. They had three rookies on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. Then they had to bench Nelson Aghaloor because
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with him. He has
Speaker 1: the yips or something or whatever. They have to bench him.
Speaker 1: Then Jordan Matthews gets hurt, Ryan Matthews is out, They're
Speaker 1: playing with Darren Sprawls. It's a mess. Can that version
Speaker 1: of the Eagles offense legitimize any defense, much less the
Speaker 1: Packers defense, which had been the worst in the NFL?
Speaker 1: Over the page, it gives them a chance because they
Speaker 1: don't have a line, and they don't have receivers, and
Speaker 1: they have a rookie cord back who's not going to
Speaker 1: be able to overcome those sort of struggles. This was
Speaker 1: the best past rush we've seen from the Packers in
Speaker 1: a long time, and I think that's attributable to the opponent.
Speaker 1: But then you look at the teams they struggled against.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of good offensive lines, and coming
Speaker 1: up their schedule sets up pretty well for them, whereas
Speaker 1: your Eagles, I felt like that was kind of the
Speaker 1: Eagles last stand two. That was this is one of
Speaker 1: those games, right we were which what type of game?
Speaker 1: Which I didn't know that they go I would fork
Speaker 1: him if we were still doing the fork. This is
Speaker 1: something College and tweeted in the middle of the game,
Speaker 1: which I appreciated. Um, even though it was, you know,
Speaker 1: existential angst. I can't be without Twitter, but it's ruining
Speaker 1: everything I love. I just want everything to go back
Speaker 1: to the way it used to be. So I totally
Speaker 1: agree with that. Well, I was like, that really could
Speaker 1: have been a mark as to the Eagles and and everyone.
Speaker 1: I was guessing the Eagles and Trump a little bit
Speaker 1: at the same time. All of that. Yes, but we
Speaker 1: cut the cord. We don't have cable, and so every
Speaker 1: single live stream of the games, but no, every single
Speaker 1: stream is delayed. So when I'm on tweet deck or
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Twitter, everything is spoiled. We're like a
Speaker 1: minute and a half behind you, and uh, you and
Speaker 1: West should have wine and cheese parties. He's told us
Speaker 1: he doesn't watch TV about five thousand times I watched TV.
Speaker 1: Also clarified, it has nothing to do with being too
Speaker 1: cool for TV. I am too cheap to pay the
Speaker 1: going rate for whatever they want to charge for a
Speaker 1: service like cable or direct TV. Well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get cable today after last. Yeah, I'm done. That was
Speaker 1: the breaking point. But you're going the other direction. You
Speaker 1: gotta watch did you watch? You watch watch ESPN on
Speaker 1: the app. Let's let's carve out more time to you know,
Speaker 1: promote an absolute competitors mobile. Can we can we clip
Speaker 1: off Colleen vouching for cable and see if you can
Speaker 1: get a sponsor have finders. Yeah, like, I'm going back
Speaker 1: people anyway, here's the rest of the schedule. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Eagles are done, see you later, Better luck next year.
Speaker 1: Sorry calling the Packers though, sets up pretty well home
Speaker 1: against the Texans, And you gotta like that matchup rock
Speaker 1: Oswiller on the road. You like that matchup, Packers defense, Seahawks,
Speaker 1: tough game at Bears home against Vikings. You gotta like
Speaker 1: your chances at home again at Lions. Now? Are those
Speaker 1: Are they the overwhelming favorites in all those games? No?
Speaker 1: But I think they're I think they're gonna sniff nine
Speaker 1: wins and that might get the job done. Let's compare
Speaker 1: that to what the Lions have left, which is much
Speaker 1: more difficult. At STS tough game home versus the Bears,
Speaker 1: give him a win. The Bears are starting Matt Barkley.
Speaker 1: Whatever at Giants, toss up at Cowboys versus Packers. Well,
Speaker 1: the Packers have to be thrilled. They're playing the Vikings
Speaker 1: and Lions, two teams that they already have wins. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: the Vikings won the first time. You want to have
Speaker 1: the win in the pocket against the Train and you
Speaker 1: want to be playing Minnesota, who knows if they're going
Speaker 1: to be behind. You want to be able to control
Speaker 1: and play Detroit and mince final two games. I have
Speaker 1: future breaking news, breaking news from the future. The Sunday
Speaker 1: night game in week seventeen will be green Bay at
Speaker 1: Detroit for the NFC North. Breaking news from the future.
Speaker 1: It's that's it's happened that way. It's happened that way
Speaker 1: a few times, right. Packers Bears had a Sunday night
Speaker 1: to decide and Packers Vikings had a Sunday night to decide.
Speaker 1: It steth Packers Bears the game that Rogers came back
Speaker 1: from the color boon at and had touchdown to Randall.
Speaker 1: Cop was one potential, one potential roadblock for your television
Speaker 1: scenario there. The Redskins and Giants play on January one
Speaker 1: as well. There's some good ones. That's some massive ratings
Speaker 1: coming at you. The Redskins, they might have, you know,
Speaker 1: one of them wins the division, the other ones. The
Speaker 1: wild cards scenario could be cooking there. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: we'll see nobody's winning the division except the Cowboys. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, Well we're talking, but it could be a
Speaker 1: winner gets into the playoffs, loser sits home. And how
Speaker 1: did you feel about the tent situation? Thought the tent
Speaker 1: situation was interesting? What took so you have this tent
Speaker 1: on the sideline? Aaron Roder inside the tent. It turned
Speaker 1: out he had slightly strained his hamstring and they taped
Speaker 1: him up. What took so long for people to get
Speaker 1: the tent going on? And why doesn't have like eighteen
Speaker 1: of him on the side It back to the locker room.
Speaker 1: I believe the packers have done it for years and years.
Speaker 1: They remember reference. I get it's been under people's radar,
Speaker 1: but remember r G three in the red shed. That
Speaker 1: was like the game where he hurt himself and Shanahan
Speaker 1: had him in and out of the shed. That well,
Speaker 1: the one the other. The other thing that made me
Speaker 1: feel a little strange about the tent was that one
Speaker 1: of the center for the packers had um guessed that
Speaker 1: he had gone there to go number one, and Lisa's
Speaker 1: falter said it on you're breaking down what number one,
Speaker 1: which which means I don't know, maybe overseas listeners they
Speaker 1: don't do into two. I don't know, but they do
Speaker 1: and they yeah, it's not the names, you know, just
Speaker 1: but that means that people go on that tent to pee.
Speaker 1: And if you're going in there to get taped up
Speaker 1: for five minutes, it can't be a pleasant scene in there, right.
Speaker 1: He was followed in by somebody, so that's what kind
Speaker 1: of caught me off guard. If he was going in.
Speaker 1: I don't think people go in there to pee. I
Speaker 1: think he was having a little fun. I think people do.
Speaker 1: I think people are peeing in the tent. I think
Speaker 1: people just YEA. Well, it's an odd request to tell
Speaker 1: fifty three young peoples players players, three people to go
Speaker 1: three or four hours without going in the bathroom. The
Speaker 1: ted rais is a good point, though, what if his
Speaker 1: hamstring is injured? Everyone kind of looked past that. Okay,
Speaker 1: finished the game, it's cold weather. He fought through it.
Speaker 1: He was limited after that. He did not move around
Speaker 1: as well. That's that's something to watch because he was electric.
Speaker 1: I think he's played really well for a month now.
Speaker 1: But if he's not a hundred percent Aaron Rodgers, they
Speaker 1: don't have any margin for error. They're counting on him
Speaker 1: to play like an m v P for any chance
Speaker 1: to rip off these games. And Colleen, lastly, any thoughts
Speaker 1: about the Eagles trolling the Packers by putting fourth and
Speaker 1: twenty six on the scoreboard before the game, referencing the
Speaker 1: two thousand three playoff game. Little motivation for the Packers.
Speaker 1: You don't want to go down that road with that stuff,
Speaker 1: you don't. I loved it, but it obviously did not
Speaker 1: turn out okay, But it was Freddie Mitchell's birthday, so nice.
Speaker 1: You just hope he has a computer in the clink. Yes,
Speaker 1: where's Freddie Mitchell for you? On your like hierarchy or
Speaker 1: your stable of boys? You know all time Eagles legends.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't he's not really in the stable,
Speaker 1: but he's sort of on the property. Just one of
Speaker 1: the few players that Bill Belichick publicly lambasted, said that
Speaker 1: he's a bad player that when he sees him on
Speaker 1: the field, he gets excited. I mean it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Remember that Freda had talked garbage about the path secondary
Speaker 1: before that Super Bowl. Anyway, that's Monday night football. Let's
Speaker 1: do some news. Everyone's getting on anybody? Nobody know that.
Speaker 1: It sounds like one of those videos where they try
Speaker 1: to sync up what the players are really saying with
Speaker 1: what they I don't know what that was. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: on the sidelines of the Packers game. Kirk Cousins, Well,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a goop, but he's a
Speaker 1: lovable goop. Yeah, I got you. Let's start with an
Speaker 1: NFC playoff contender, the Atlanta Falcons, who are dealing with
Speaker 1: some health woes right now. On their defense. Doctors confirmed
Speaker 1: that the pectorial injury suffered by Desmond true font Um
Speaker 1: require surgery, and the Falcons announced Tuesday that they've placed
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl cornerback on injured reserve. It's over for him.
Speaker 1: And there was more stuff falling in on Tuesday, falling
Speaker 1: against the Falcons. The Falcons will also lose defensive end
Speaker 1: Adrian Clayborne for three to five weeks as he undergoes
Speaker 1: surgery to trim a partial partially torn meniscus rap sheet
Speaker 1: reported and Chris Wesley. So you figure he's out until
Speaker 1: the playoffs and most likely maybe he gets back by
Speaker 1: the very end of the regular season. But these are
Speaker 1: two big um losses for a team that's not loaded
Speaker 1: at defense. Two of their top four or five defensive players.
Speaker 1: I would say Truffont was a Pro bowler last year,
Speaker 1: one of the top ten cornerbacks in the NFL. Then again,
Speaker 1: they have enough offensive firepower to win these games in
Speaker 1: the regular season. They're already playing with the worst past
Speaker 1: defense in the NFL. Right, but that that lowers there
Speaker 1: seeing you don't want to go through the playoffs needed
Speaker 1: to score fifty points. Oh, I think it's a huge
Speaker 1: but not for the regular Right. They remind me a
Speaker 1: little bit of the Cardinals teams with with Kurt Warner
Speaker 1: who did make one run and they kind of went
Speaker 1: into each playoffs. They're Dome team knowing that you got
Speaker 1: to score forty points each game. I I you know,
Speaker 1: at the command of some people downstairs, wrote an NFC
Speaker 1: playoff picture a banker. Well, no it was not, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call it that. It was a
Speaker 1: block and tackle publication and butt NFL dot pitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really sold it. But it's the Falcons I talked
Speaker 1: about as the NFC's secret weapon. Not that everyone says
Speaker 1: the Seahawks can derail Dallas. It's the Falcons that I
Speaker 1: thought could potentially. But you know, I need to go
Speaker 1: rechange all that because if you can't, their offense can
Speaker 1: score points. But their defense, which shaped up a little bit,
Speaker 1: I would I'd struggle to see them going through the
Speaker 1: NFC playoffs and not getting waxed at some point with
Speaker 1: their defense. It worries me because look at the Saints
Speaker 1: and their defense is terrible, and their offense has a
Speaker 1: ton of firepower, and it's not like bleedy Ray Wilson
Speaker 1: is going to come in and help. Here's their schedule.
Speaker 1: They've got the Chiefs. This is why they can get
Speaker 1: They gotta win the division and they're going to barring
Speaker 1: something crazy out of Tampa Bay. But you've got the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the Rams, the forty Niners, the Panthers, and the Saints.
Speaker 1: A lot of those teams look better to us in
Speaker 1: terms of reputation than what they really are. This team
Speaker 1: can play with anyone. Yeah, I can play with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's why I put them in as that secret weapon,
Speaker 1: because they can hang with that. That that is a
Speaker 1: tough matchup, I think for Dallas, because I if that,
Speaker 1: if that happened in the playoffs, Atlanta like going to Seattle,
Speaker 1: going outdoors in the weather. I just already did that
Speaker 1: and almost that's fair. It wasn't as good, and I
Speaker 1: think Seattle is gonna be a better team then. But
Speaker 1: you can see them going to Dallas and just getting
Speaker 1: in to shootout that comes. I would not want to
Speaker 1: play down in the last quarter. Let's move on some
Speaker 1: A lot of trouble right now around the Rams, who
Speaker 1: are losing games and a lot of you know, not
Speaker 1: a lot of flattering pieces being written about Jeff Fisher,
Speaker 1: whose contract expires at the end of the season, and
Speaker 1: now they have an issue with the most famous or
Speaker 1: greatest Ram in history, arguably Eric Dickerson Um, who told
Speaker 1: ESPN on Monday that Rams coach Jeff Fisher uh told
Speaker 1: Dickerson he didn't want him on the sideline during games
Speaker 1: because some public comments he's made Dickerson have made players
Speaker 1: on the Rams quote uncomfortable. Uh. Dickerson also had this
Speaker 1: to say, I won't be at the coliseum as long
Speaker 1: as Fisher is coaching. I'm a man of my word
Speaker 1: and if I tell you something, I'm going to do
Speaker 1: it now. On the RAM side of this, Kevin dem Off,
Speaker 1: who I believe is there CEO president president um tweeted
Speaker 1: out that this was a miscommunication and they're trying to
Speaker 1: uh reach out to Eric Dickerson to try to clear
Speaker 1: things up, and uh, you know, Jeff Fisher kind of
Speaker 1: stepped back and said that wasn't the case. How Dickerson
Speaker 1: paint did it. But either way, Mark Sessler not a
Speaker 1: good look for the Rams, especially as they're trying to
Speaker 1: get a foothold here in l A. Yeah, but in
Speaker 1: my initial response, that did not take long because we
Speaker 1: knew that the second season for the Rams was where
Speaker 1: a lot of the issues could come when the the
Speaker 1: shine is off. The idea of them returning to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a few months ago, right before
Speaker 1: the season, when we were sent down to a hotel
Speaker 1: right side of outside of L a for what was
Speaker 1: essentially a Jeff Fisher meets his team to tell them
Speaker 1: how to get ready, how to move to l A,
Speaker 1: how to deal with it. And Dickerson was there and
Speaker 1: treated like a national hero. I mean it was the
Speaker 1: figurehead in the most important player in Rams history arguably.
Speaker 1: And it's November. And this is what happens to bad
Speaker 1: teams when they're alumni critique the current state of the team.
Speaker 1: They often don't take it well. You see it with
Speaker 1: the Browns. You see with a lot of other teams
Speaker 1: where you've got issues with with what we're heroic players
Speaker 1: now starting to you know they're being honest about the
Speaker 1: way the Rams are playing. Well, they can't be that
Speaker 1: sensitive about it. This is this is a huge figure
Speaker 1: in that organization just in terms of a historic standpoint too,
Speaker 1: and in the NFL, and it's like, come on the
Speaker 1: way that you're performing. You are a team out there.
Speaker 1: You can't just like crumble when somebody says something. Right.
Speaker 1: But but as Dan would say, I gotta say, come
Speaker 1: back to us, Eric Dickerson. They offered him, they say,
Speaker 1: they say, you can go sit in your luxury suite
Speaker 1: with your friends. He's asking for sideline passes for your
Speaker 1: friends and the guy's burying assistance and players on the team,
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, how about you go sit in the
Speaker 1: luxury see Derek Dickerson. It's like, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I don't think either side particularly looks good. But it's
Speaker 1: fair to put point out both sides look stupid. That
Speaker 1: a guy's whining and moaning. Just say, I think to
Speaker 1: the average person, the Rams look small here, right. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that Tson is is what they think he is.
Speaker 1: Necessarily I'm not. I don't know Eric Dickerson, but the
Speaker 1: Rams come out looking small. And here here's what all
Speaker 1: you need to know about Eric Dickerson. This is what
Speaker 1: he says. He told the Rams coach. You can go
Speaker 1: any place else. You can go back to Tennessee and
Speaker 1: go to Cleveland, you can go to s C. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be still. I'm gonna be Eric Dickerson of the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams. That's why I wear that gold jacket.
Speaker 1: I have the right to say whatever I want to say.
Speaker 1: All this little sounds delightful, yea, oh god, yeah. The
Speaker 1: paramore is a huge Rams fan. Oh famous. We talked
Speaker 1: about this last night. She could not be more embarrassed
Speaker 1: for the organization. It's embarrassed and also pointed out kind
Speaker 1: of what Greg was. Greg didn't really say this, but
Speaker 1: she's of the opinion that Eric Dickerson is is desperate
Speaker 1: to remain relevant in lass. She wouldn't be the first
Speaker 1: person to but she wouldn't be the first person accused
Speaker 1: him of that over years. It's a tricky situation for
Speaker 1: teams that have a legendary player that wants to remain
Speaker 1: in the limelight or gets calls from reporters. The Jets
Speaker 1: have had this issue with Joe Namath, the Browns have
Speaker 1: had it with Jim Brown. Eric Dickerson in the Rams.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are other examples. They speak and then
Speaker 1: it gets reported everywhere because it's a big name, there's
Speaker 1: a platform, and then it gets into the echo chamber,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's everywhere, and the
Speaker 1: team is probably like, wait a second, whoever ex legend is,
Speaker 1: we take care of you better than anybody else in
Speaker 1: our organization, and we're not asking you to kind of
Speaker 1: be on our dime and and and speak possibly, but
Speaker 1: we don't want you to be destroying us either well,
Speaker 1: and not to go back to the Rams again. But
Speaker 1: the Browns had with Bernie Kozar, who was fired as
Speaker 1: a preseason analysts because he ripped who the Rams receivers
Speaker 1: and who responded crazily about it, Jeff Fisher. So Jeff
Speaker 1: Fisher might be a little sensitive, little touchy jef uh
Speaker 1: Finally in the news, I thought this was an interesting nugget.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about this in our our pre show talk.
Speaker 1: But because whenever you wanna, you know, touching on the
Speaker 1: throne of sleeves. You know, Tim Tebow, this is way
Speaker 1: back two thousand fourteen. You have to bring it up
Speaker 1: before the show because we all would have shot at
Speaker 1: this islets thank you mark hashtag cancel the Patriots safe football.
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow had signed with the Patriots in two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: got offered one million dollars for a one day shoot
Speaker 1: for a commercial, and he wanted to run it by
Speaker 1: Bill and Bill, I just want to make sure this
Speaker 1: is okay with you, Bill said, and I quote Timmy,
Speaker 1: I would really appreciate it if you didn't. Tim Tebow
Speaker 1: turned out a million dollars for one day of work,
Speaker 1: and then the Patriots cut Tim Tebow shortly. Thereat you know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like you should. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: that's a news item. That's all supposed to rel Sorry
Speaker 1: for a millionaire football player, you can get to make
Speaker 1: another million every minute he tried to play pro football.
Speaker 1: He was passing up money because he could have made
Speaker 1: a lot more money making this, like he is now
Speaker 1: making speeches and being in the media. I mean, he
Speaker 1: had his public appearance fees, all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, give me a break, don't ask for pres'll
Speaker 1: come after me. It's just a news item. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's a news deliver. He's delivering the you know, the
Speaker 1: ideas and the topics of the day. And do you
Speaker 1: know what, it's not Bill Belichick. It's not like Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick once he said, don't do that because he was
Speaker 1: trying to avoid the circus. Now I have to I
Speaker 1: could keep you on the team, like I owe that
Speaker 1: to you. I get that, But it just does speak
Speaker 1: to NFL and it's not just Belichick. How micro their
Speaker 1: viewpoint is on things that instead of letting him do
Speaker 1: that that silly, stupid commercial that no one would ever
Speaker 1: paid attention to, he was like, I don't want you
Speaker 1: to do that. Commercial because he thinks in such a
Speaker 1: tunnel vision way about his team let him do the
Speaker 1: stupid commercial. No one would even known about it. Do
Speaker 1: we know what the commercial was for. We'll never know.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was dressed up. Maybe he was dressed up
Speaker 1: as Bill Belichick in the commercial. That awesome. Maybe there.
Speaker 1: It did come out of Tebow's upcoming books shake Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler has agreed to purchase, read and give a detailed
Speaker 1: report negative long form on it dot com. This something
Speaker 1: I got enough to do, right, He's making the money
Speaker 1: back with shaking the nerve of that guy. By the way,
Speaker 1: his second, but his second autobiography at this point, So
Speaker 1: that was ridiculous. That was that was one of his
Speaker 1: life goals, getting three autobiographies by thirty five, and he's unpassed.
Speaker 1: I can't even run for president and he's writing autobiography. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. I wasn't a slaughter
Speaker 1: job of Bill, but I just thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. It was topical. I think, really the bigger
Speaker 1: crime is a young person with nothing to offer the
Speaker 1: world in terms of wisdom writing books, much bigger crime
Speaker 1: than Bellichick. That's what's happening in the news. Before we
Speaker 1: move on to what's more likely, little I want to
Speaker 1: throw a little curveball another one. This is part of
Speaker 1: my jobs to keep everybody on their toes, um, and
Speaker 1: I want to start here, all right, so we know
Speaker 1: we know the Vikings they fell again last Thanksgiving and uh.
Speaker 1: This prompted our own Mark Sesler on Sunday Show to
Speaker 1: share this tidbit about his takeaway from Thanksgiving. The entire
Speaker 1: NFC East deserves the playoffs more than the Phi. The
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings right now they are. They had a chance
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving to rest away that division and they couldn't
Speaker 1: get it done. Bye bye. Now you said that, you
Speaker 1: said that three days after I had a very interesting
Speaker 1: conversation with my friend Bob Um at Thanksgiving feast, uh,
Speaker 1: and he had run something by me that I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, why not get my Bob, my friend Bob
Speaker 1: on the line and he could pitch something that he
Speaker 1: pitched to me. And if all I asked for you
Speaker 1: from you guys is open ears on what he pitched
Speaker 1: to me, which at the very least I found an
Speaker 1: industry trying to get out of the team of a
Speaker 1: t L. Aren't you listen, my friend Bob, are you
Speaker 1: on the line. Yes, Hello, Hey guys, Hey Bob, Bob.
Speaker 1: You guys know Bob first time, first time, long time.
Speaker 1: A little fun fact. Uh, my friend Bob actually started
Speaker 1: the subreddit that is so popular, and I kind of
Speaker 1: started it, like I squatted on it because I just
Speaker 1: I like read it. So I was like, oh, nobody
Speaker 1: has so I got the name and then did nothing
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, so Greedy really is the guy that
Speaker 1: he is the hero. I'm like beyond the Winklevoss Twins.
Speaker 1: All right, that's there now, Bob. I I don't know
Speaker 1: if you heard Mark's comments from Sunday Show about the Vikings. Um,
Speaker 1: bye bye? Yeah he said bye bye? And I if
Speaker 1: you would would you would you just kind of pitch
Speaker 1: to the group here, including Connie Fox Colleens with us today.
Speaker 1: Um what you kind of pitched to me during Thanksgiving feast? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, I just I feel like we need
Speaker 1: to talk about the King's because it's just not working out.
Speaker 1: You know, like it was really exciting when it started.
Speaker 1: Like you guys that could hear in your voices you're
Speaker 1: all excited. Uh, you start buy them through some hard times,
Speaker 1: but you know you just tell you're not happy, like
Speaker 1: none of you are happy with this. It's in your voices.
Speaker 1: You guys deserve better. You you know, you only live once.
Speaker 1: That's the saying I think. And uh, I just think
Speaker 1: that you know you do you? You know, there's no
Speaker 1: reason to kind of force yourselves to get excited about
Speaker 1: another damaged franchise on the podcast. And that's just when
Speaker 1: you gets to be happy, that's all, you know, Bob.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's liking it to a relationship. And and
Speaker 1: it is funny that in really fluttering us up here
Speaker 1: in retrosp Bob's done that to view time. Yeah, in retrospect,
Speaker 1: it is kind of funny that this is the podcast
Speaker 1: where there's a Jets fan and a Browns fan, and
Speaker 1: then we went down the road of getting behind a
Speaker 1: Vikings team, which is right in that in that top
Speaker 1: echelon of like pained franchises, Like what were we asking for?
Speaker 1: And Bob, you're saying, we deserve better? So how do
Speaker 1: how do you think we should rectify that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's like a foreign concept for
Speaker 1: I guess all of you to be single, but um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, give it a sigh. Maybe just kind
Speaker 1: of break up with the Vikings and spend the rest
Speaker 1: of this year just kind of dating around and seeing
Speaker 1: what's out there. Yeah, but it feels safe the Vikings.
Speaker 1: It feels it feels just like I'm used to it.
Speaker 1: We sit on the couch together and watch Black Mirror
Speaker 1: and sweatpants and eats thanks getting leftovers. It feels Okay.
Speaker 1: I get it's comfortable. It's comfortable. I get it. But
Speaker 1: you know, like I hear when you know, when the
Speaker 1: Titans come up like a little there's like a there's yeah,
Speaker 1: either's just kind of like the dress right one that
Speaker 1: got away. I feel the same way about the Chargers.
Speaker 1: But you know, we can have an open relationship. You know,
Speaker 1: the Vikings don't have to. But I have an agreement
Speaker 1: that if I come upon the Titans on a lonely
Speaker 1: Friday night, that's my cheat. Open relationships never work. I mean,
Speaker 1: we to be right along the party line with what
Speaker 1: Bob suggesting. I threw it out there a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago that we could at least entertain the concept
Speaker 1: of two team of a t l S. Because the
Speaker 1: minute we went with the Vikings, there was this, uh,
Speaker 1: you know from certain parties a very present Fisher, like, no,
Speaker 1: it should have been the Raiders, or now it's the
Speaker 1: Titans popping up in great and then the Fisher was
Speaker 1: their their team falling into us saying yeah, and the
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer murdered all those stuff to animals the way
Speaker 1: that that really started off, They've disappointed beyond comprehension, and
Speaker 1: they they probably will disappoint more so I would say this,
Speaker 1: I have an open mind to doing anything with Team
Speaker 1: of a t L. I don't go to bed worried
Speaker 1: about Team of a t L. I mean, I propose
Speaker 1: the vikings, I made this mistake. Here's a concern. Here's
Speaker 1: the concern I have, And and I don't think it
Speaker 1: was a mistake. Mark, That's what your heart was saying
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, you guys have grown apart, so
Speaker 1: you're proposing a side piece. He's supposing going. I think
Speaker 1: I know where you're going without my concerns, because I
Speaker 1: don't believe in any of this open relationship stuff that
Speaker 1: always ends terribly for everyone. I think you either stay
Speaker 1: and you work things out, stay together for the kids,
Speaker 1: or you break it off and have a fresh start.
Speaker 1: But here's my concern. We break it off, of course,
Speaker 1: and then the Vikings go hit the gym, and the
Speaker 1: Vikings read some books, and the Vikings start listening to,
Speaker 1: you know, some new podcasts, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the Vikings are looking pretty good again. They got a
Speaker 1: couple of wins, they're looking kind of sexy. It's kind
Speaker 1: of reminding you of the old Vikings and and they're
Speaker 1: not going to take us back. Right. Not only not
Speaker 1: only would we have missed the fun part of the journey,
Speaker 1: we've been exposing our lack of character for not being
Speaker 1: loyal to them. That is the worst possible result is
Speaker 1: the Vikings going out a tear after we get up
Speaker 1: with them. Break up with them, well, so I want
Speaker 1: to avoid that's the only way that can end. But
Speaker 1: this time around one caveat, we would all be able
Speaker 1: to you know, show after show we could blame Bob. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Can I offer a different point of view? Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 1: All along the Vikings were some hideous, toothless contraption that
Speaker 1: we were too drunk at two in the morning when
Speaker 1: we agreed to go home with them, And now we're
Speaker 1: in this awful relationship and we didn't even know that
Speaker 1: they were that bad. It's been like two months of
Speaker 1: just them being horrible wives to us or husband. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was the sober friend as a listener
Speaker 1: and as you guys kind of talked yourselves into Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford and I was like, don't do it. This is also,
Speaker 1: by the way, that never works out. You know who
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders are. They're the girl next door that
Speaker 1: you should have been with all along now. Absolutely, they're
Speaker 1: the vapid, good looking girl next door once he hung
Speaker 1: out with him, the girl next door that's Dankee. This
Speaker 1: is the problem still like a flying blow the radar
Speaker 1: for the last two decades. Come on, the girl next
Speaker 1: door that you can stay up all night with and
Speaker 1: talk things out and then you don't even realize how
Speaker 1: pretty she is. That's the Raiders wandering eyes here. So
Speaker 1: I feel like you should cut the relationship off at
Speaker 1: this point, Colleen, you've broken many hearts in your past.
Speaker 1: We've talked about um it's not true in Europe. So
Speaker 1: in your opinion, you think it's time to say goodbye. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean all the signs are right in front of us.
Speaker 1: We've just talked through them. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can fix this at this point reconcilable. Yeah, can we
Speaker 1: have a kid to fix it? No, that's never idea. Quickly,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bob, what's the band aid baby? Um
Speaker 1: parallel here? Oh man, that's uh. Don't worry about it
Speaker 1: because it's a terrible idea. Trying to help us, Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford gets injured on Thursday night, Sean Hill comes in
Speaker 1: and leads them to the Promised Land. I don't know alright, anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's It's tough because you guys jump
Speaker 1: from one long term relationship to the next, and you
Speaker 1: don't really give yourself that much of what I think
Speaker 1: this is. This might be the last team of a
Speaker 1: t L ever, so that's also something to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: I could keep them, I could keep the Vikings because
Speaker 1: I do feel loyal to that decision. But then we
Speaker 1: can have wait, we can have well, I said they're
Speaker 1: not gonna gonna make the playoffs, but I don't need that.
Speaker 1: But we can have four team of a t l
Speaker 1: s to make this as murky and complicated as possible. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think we should do that. It has to
Speaker 1: be unanimous, and I'm sticking with them. Unlike the four
Speaker 1: of you. I've been in this wild and wacky dating
Speaker 1: world in l A. I can attest that it's not pretty. Yeah, Will,
Speaker 1: I think you will love again, Greg, I don't want
Speaker 1: you to be so negative about that. I love the Chargers,
Speaker 1: I love the Bucks, but I don't know I want
Speaker 1: to you love the Bucks again. I can't. I don't
Speaker 1: even know. You know, Greg, You're like the like the
Speaker 1: Cardinals where your longtime wife and she died, and then
Speaker 1: you're like, I'll never love again. I was married. It's
Speaker 1: over now, Bob is like our counselor right now. I
Speaker 1: just I just want you, guys to find a scene
Speaker 1: that makes you feel the way the Panthers made you
Speaker 1: feels That might be impossible for me. It was The Raiders,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, the original do you the hig
Speaker 1: School Sweetheart Panthers? Okay, got you? You only fall in
Speaker 1: love for the first time once. I guess alright, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm gonna wear this analogy is
Speaker 1: so thin that I Bob, do you want to plug
Speaker 1: your movie? Your special little movie? You made special little movie.
Speaker 1: That's that's really kind of ending? Yeah? Yeah, funck of
Speaker 1: dudes guys, I made this movie. Dan helped out on it.
Speaker 1: It's the uh the most number one downloaded comedy of
Speaker 1: all time, are we even? If I don't call that
Speaker 1: out for being I think like suck don't matter, so
Speaker 1: you might as well. Uh yeah, check it out. It's
Speaker 1: on it's everywhere, it's on demand, it's on iTunes. It's
Speaker 1: an okay movie. Yeah, it's a very good, very funny movie.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see it. Yeah, and Bob directed
Speaker 1: it and co wrote it and very talented man and
Speaker 1: my good buddy since what about Uh yeah, we had
Speaker 1: a I think we suit a partner on eight eight
Speaker 1: because she's talking you into buying the Batman video game
Speaker 1: for Nintendo. Oh so you grew up with the whole town? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was kind of on the coal side of town,
Speaker 1: though I was one on like or in the Precious Metals.
Speaker 1: Any other questions, everybody? Yeah, maybe I'll just do an
Speaker 1: A M A on Reddit questions. Um, all right, my
Speaker 1: friend Bob by l Right. We didn't accomplish anything there,
Speaker 1: but it was good to talk. Well, we can have
Speaker 1: an answer by Thursday. Could we a bad weather? We're
Speaker 1: breaking up? Right? Okay? Or not? I don't care. You
Speaker 1: get some locks and bagels. Maybe you go into the
Speaker 1: fork room and figure it out. Maybe it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that was the equivalent of having like the
Speaker 1: seven hour chat through the night into the dawn trying
Speaker 1: to work out what the future is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: M h. Those are not fun chats. We've all had them.
Speaker 1: They're awful. So now we're gonna wait for the Vikings
Speaker 1: to make the first move. It's a very it's we're
Speaker 1: in a sticky situation stuff. I'm not talking to them
Speaker 1: right now, all right, I have to make the first move.
Speaker 1: It time to play one of our favorite games. Yes,
Speaker 1: what's more likely? A A game whereby each of us,
Speaker 1: five of us present one um scenario. It's basically an
Speaker 1: either or game. UH O R R. Speaking of O
Speaker 1: r R, Connor will be joining us next week. Little
Speaker 1: teas there um for to talk a little bit what's
Speaker 1: going on in life of Connor. But for right now,
Speaker 1: we will each throw out what's more likely, and we'll
Speaker 1: start with Mark Sessler. All right, I actually did not
Speaker 1: put anything on paper until about five minutes ago for preparation.
Speaker 1: But here we go between now in the regular season ending,
Speaker 1: UH what's more likely Tony Romo makes a start, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo makes a start, or r G three wins enough
Speaker 1: games for the Browns could be won to keep them
Speaker 1: from getting the number one pick. Oh that's a tough one. Well, Brady,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get hurt. He's only gotten hurt once
Speaker 1: and they're currently tied with the Raiders for the best
Speaker 1: record at the ANFC, So there's a to me, a
Speaker 1: fairly good chance they're gonna need those games, even the
Speaker 1: last game. So I'm gonna rule out him. Romo for
Speaker 1: Prescott just whether Prescott gets injured, I don't know, or
Speaker 1: if they ran away with the number one seed, they
Speaker 1: could start Romo in week seven. I was thinking about that.
Speaker 1: Do you think they would would do It's a weird
Speaker 1: I dont think you would want to do that because
Speaker 1: it just raises too many things, plus city people stupid.
Speaker 1: I already rolled out the RG three factor that's not
Speaker 1: going to happen. I'll say Romo is the more likely because,
Speaker 1: as Dan said, Brady doesn't get hurt. Connie, I'll go
Speaker 1: I'll go with Romo starting because I can't stand the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and that seems like something that they would do.
Speaker 1: You know what, I will agree with you. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think it's a bad idea to even introduce X.
Speaker 1: But I think in Jerry Jones's mind it would be
Speaker 1: a way of like giving him throwing up a bone.
Speaker 1: Are they at home in week seventeen? That also factors
Speaker 1: in here. It's a great question. If they're at home
Speaker 1: in week seventeen and the Cowboys have nothing to play,
Speaker 1: that seems like a disaster is like a good bye
Speaker 1: farewell basically, that's how they'll play it. I think it's
Speaker 1: more likely Deck gets injured and Romo starts seventeen Dallas
Speaker 1: is on the road against the Eagles. Okay, so that
Speaker 1: eliminates it basically unless that gets hurt. Um, But you
Speaker 1: know that it's just an injury, all right, I'll go
Speaker 1: with I'll go through a moment r G three. I
Speaker 1: think the forty Niners have their chance to win this
Speaker 1: week against the Bears. But if they don't, I think
Speaker 1: we we've all thought the brown will likely win one game.
Speaker 1: It sounds like I don't think that anymore. It sounds
Speaker 1: like r G three'll start a game and uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the strength of victory is No one
Speaker 1: knows that at this point, but even one win might
Speaker 1: be enough to do it. So I'm going Rgs have
Speaker 1: three games remaining where they could conceivably they could. They
Speaker 1: played fairly well for three straight weeks. All right, up next,
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley. Was more likely the Green Bay Packers come
Speaker 1: back from being what were there four and six to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, or Aaron Rodgers ends up as the
Speaker 1: NFL's touchdown leader after we spent half the season wondering
Speaker 1: what was wrong with him? Where we are right now
Speaker 1: with that, he is to total touchdowns behind Drew Brees
Speaker 1: for the NFL. Oh so rushing as well rushing. He's
Speaker 1: their rushing leader for touchdowns as well. He's got thirty
Speaker 1: total and Breeze has thirty two total. I like Breeze
Speaker 1: winning that title, though, well you've gotta like the other
Speaker 1: side of it though, too. Yeah, what's the other side again?
Speaker 1: They win? They win the NFC. Yeah, I'll go with that.
Speaker 1: I think the Packers have a real good shot to
Speaker 1: win the NFC North. Mark's right, we put too much
Speaker 1: stock into primetime games sometimes, but I look at Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers playing at the pretty close to the height of
Speaker 1: his powers, right now, and I see that going a
Speaker 1: long way in a mediocre division. I'm not sold on
Speaker 1: the Packers defense. I think that Aaron Rodgers is going
Speaker 1: to have to throw the ball and keep scoring and
Speaker 1: keep that offense up high in games. So I'm going
Speaker 1: with the second. I I would agree. I think the
Speaker 1: Packers getting into the playoffs. I'm going with that side
Speaker 1: of things. I will too, because they've beaten the Lions,
Speaker 1: and they played the Lions again in the finale. They
Speaker 1: could conceivably win the division at nine and seven by
Speaker 1: by winning that game and sweeping Detroit, and Rogers will
Speaker 1: be right there. But I think I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: just miss the touchdown total, especially if any of the
Speaker 1: running backs start scoring touchdowns, which until last night had
Speaker 1: not happened. Let's hope that hamstring health is healthy as well.
Speaker 1: That could be a difference maker up next more. All right,
Speaker 1: every head coach in the NFL still has their job
Speaker 1: on Christmas morning talking about this stuff. I literally wrote
Speaker 1: a colibut last week the box make the playoffs. Win
Speaker 1: a playoff game for the first time since two thousands,
Speaker 1: win a playoffs. I just make the playoffs. What the
Speaker 1: first one was? They all have their jobs on Christmas Morning.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's getting fired before, yeah, the end
Speaker 1: of the season, so I'll say that's more likely. Christmas
Speaker 1: morning is the day after Week sixteen, although a few
Speaker 1: teams are playing on Christmas, So yeah, I would say,
Speaker 1: would say that's more likely. I said, I would say
Speaker 1: that's even likely. It would be kind of a badass
Speaker 1: evil who's going to fire something that Christmas Eve? They
Speaker 1: make it Kelly did last year. Didn't they make an
Speaker 1: eighties comedy about this movie firing somebody on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1: You're right, fired? Why you'll love it? You're right. Market's
Speaker 1: not unprecedented at all to fire guys in week fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: It does happen for a teams that want to get
Speaker 1: a head start. So just thinking to those teams, could
Speaker 1: the Jaguars or the Bears. Those would be two teams
Speaker 1: that that come to mind, the idea that Jaguars just
Speaker 1: can't resist the temptation to see Doug Moron in. Actually,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that. I think it's unlikely because
Speaker 1: there isn't a team sitting out there, even with the
Speaker 1: bad teams, where the situation is toxic enough, you usually
Speaker 1: there's some lead up where you hear about discord, you
Speaker 1: hear rumors something, But yeah, Jeff Fisher, But I mean
Speaker 1: that's that I'm not sure that the ownership there is
Speaker 1: plugged in to make that decision enough. You know, the
Speaker 1: week before the season ends, I will go Bucks because
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it. I love it. Well,
Speaker 1: there are six teams right now kind of in the
Speaker 1: mix for those two playoffs spots, so that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard for them to even get to the playoffs
Speaker 1: with their schedule. Well, you need the Redskins or Giants
Speaker 1: to melt. I need But let's see, the are only
Speaker 1: half a game up. Schule are good is coming for
Speaker 1: the Giants, one step at a time. For the Bucks,
Speaker 1: even if they make the plus, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're ready to win a game. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with no dismissals. By the way, Black Monday is my birthday,
Speaker 1: so appropriate. How many coaches are gonna be fired on
Speaker 1: my birthday? Probably four to six? You think four we
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about. I feel like that's that's only
Speaker 1: talking about. We'll talk about it. Okay, that's right. Isn't
Speaker 1: remotely true? You should come up with kind of a
Speaker 1: fun you know, you do a lot of work at NFL. Now,
Speaker 1: I just feel like Black Monday, your birthday on the
Speaker 1: same day. That's just a recipe for some zan I'll
Speaker 1: be opening up presence with just throwing that out there.
Speaker 1: You're a huge help. Thank you. Here's the thing with
Speaker 1: the NFL networks, Greg Rosenthal, because he's on the air
Speaker 1: and he's around all these big wigs of the industry. Uh,
Speaker 1: he feels closer uh to a head coach like he could.
Speaker 1: He understands what it's like to be under the spotlight, well,
Speaker 1: a leader of men at the point. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like the sound of this man each week, which I
Speaker 1: think is what everyone feels that's listening. You might be
Speaker 1: speaking for the listener right not to mention the fact
Speaker 1: that you have to drag in this poor guy each
Speaker 1: and every week to perform this seared human You don't
Speaker 1: like seared buttocks on the podcast. It might be the
Speaker 1: hardest I've seen. It's also like he's it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's in a shower of some sort too, because it's echoing.
Speaker 1: It's really unsettling. Drag him into the custodian shower area
Speaker 1: and light his ass on fire. All right, my turn.
Speaker 1: You know I was gonna go with the Packers one
Speaker 1: West two. This will not be my I can give
Speaker 1: you my other one, but I'll just throw this one
Speaker 1: out real quick. We don't need to discuss Packers win
Speaker 1: NFC North or Colts win the a f C South.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Packers Packers, Yeah, I guess it
Speaker 1: go Packers like West gets Flamin but AFC South. So
Speaker 1: I fascillate between the Colts and the Titans every week.
Speaker 1: But I really think the Lions schedule is too hard
Speaker 1: for a team that could lose to any team. And
Speaker 1: but they're have two games on the Packers, so obviously
Speaker 1: the Packers have to beat them, don't. You're talking about
Speaker 1: a team that's lost to the Bears in the Texans, right,
Speaker 1: But you're assuming they just need to gain one game, though,
Speaker 1: because they play Detroit in the final week and you
Speaker 1: own the sweep if they want. So it comes down
Speaker 1: to week seven. They're kind of kissing cousins in a
Speaker 1: way because both are led by amazing quarterbacks. The Packers
Speaker 1: and Cults are both are flawed teams and middling to vision.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Colts because I think the Cults are
Speaker 1: gonna sweep both the Texans and the Titans in a
Speaker 1: bad division where there's not a lot of wins and
Speaker 1: who knows how this all gonna shake up. That's a
Speaker 1: big time advantage. Now, maybe Houston goes to in the oh.
Speaker 1: I just blew my whole point. Houston won that first game.
Speaker 1: Take all that away, all right, here's my real what's
Speaker 1: more likely, which is really just a sneaky way to
Speaker 1: the Raiders win the first seed of the f C
Speaker 1: or the Browns win their first game, Raiders win the
Speaker 1: first seat. I don't think the Browns are gonna win
Speaker 1: Raiders beating out the Paths. I'm going Browns again. I'm
Speaker 1: not ruling out other teams from the a f C,
Speaker 1: granted it, it's gonna be tough. But the chief I
Speaker 1: guess the Chiefs would be the one team with a
Speaker 1: decent chance because they everyone forgets they beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of the Raiders. They dominated the Raiders, they get
Speaker 1: the Eaters in Kansas City. There are only one game
Speaker 1: back that they're in that mix. But I I would
Speaker 1: go Browns for that reason. I don't think r G
Speaker 1: three is helping the Brown's chances of winning games. It
Speaker 1: sounds like he's gonna be in the mix. Also, he's
Speaker 1: going to be injured by the end of the first
Speaker 1: quarter of the game. He plays most likely Mark Raiders,
Speaker 1: play the Bills, Chiefs, Chargers, Cults, and Broncos. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna slip up once or twice. Um, they're not
Speaker 1: going to get the a f c's top seed, not
Speaker 1: with New England sitting there and Cleveland will go one
Speaker 1: and fifteen. Let's see, where's your peace scale? By the way,
Speaker 1: on the Browns now. I know it sounds I know
Speaker 1: this sounds tiresome to to uh most of the people
Speaker 1: in the room, But I have no peace scale. I mean,
Speaker 1: what what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? Is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I it's there's enough things floating through the mind on
Speaker 1: seven cycle that I have control over. I have no
Speaker 1: control over this. The peace scale should be. How worried
Speaker 1: are you that the Browns won't get the number one pick?
Speaker 1: Not that that's much more if presuming there's some rock
Speaker 1: star at number one. I don't want to see them
Speaker 1: for the eighth time in like ten years not get
Speaker 1: the number one pick. Like I said, finish the job there.
Speaker 1: I mean they don't feel Bengals, Bills, Charger Steelers. Who
Speaker 1: are they going to beat the Bills? The Bills are
Speaker 1: not a safe team in any game because they don't
Speaker 1: have a passing game. They're they're a dangerous team. But
Speaker 1: there's a reason why the Jaguars paid If the Jaguars
Speaker 1: can play them straight up, and that let was a
Speaker 1: very evenly played I think it's the Bengals, or it's
Speaker 1: something weird happens. These things are always broken by something
Speaker 1: no one sees coming. I didn't like Hugh Jackson crying.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's starting to really wear on the
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with him. I think that
Speaker 1: for human, for Sashi Brown, the rest. They don't want
Speaker 1: to go on sixteen. That again, all right? One more
Speaker 1: from the Boss more West West was getting getting into
Speaker 1: this a little earlier. Which which team is more likely
Speaker 1: to careen out of They're eight and three record and
Speaker 1: straight out of the playoffs. The New York Giants are
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs Giants. Giants enter is coming. Giants,
Speaker 1: it should be pointed out, have a full two game
Speaker 1: lead they're on the number seven seed in the NFC
Speaker 1: Chiefs play that they probably are in if they go
Speaker 1: two and three, which which is a nice spot to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, like we said, Sunny, the one thing that
Speaker 1: the Giants have going for them in that conference is
Speaker 1: you may not like how they did it or they didn't.
Speaker 1: They played some cheap competition potentially of the last weeks,
Speaker 1: but they got to the point where they can slip
Speaker 1: up and still back into the playoffs win every game
Speaker 1: they're supposed to win. So we're asking them to change
Speaker 1: the identity of what they've established this point, which is
Speaker 1: all right. Maybe they won't beat the tougher team on
Speaker 1: the schedule, but they should take care of business against
Speaker 1: the lesser teams. That's why I think they're gonna get
Speaker 1: the ten wins. I don't believe that at all. They've
Speaker 1: They've toyed around with lesser teams who they could have
Speaker 1: easily lost those games, but they didn't. And and last,
Speaker 1: like some d n A that says that they have
Speaker 1: they have this natural strength that allows them to beat
Speaker 1: bad teams. Sooner or later, you get burned by that. Well,
Speaker 1: they're playing all winning teams. The rest of the way
Speaker 1: except the Sunday night game in Philadelphia, assuming that doesn't
Speaker 1: get flexed Thursday. Look at the chief schedule. You've got
Speaker 1: the Falcons, the Raiders, the Titans, they have Broncos and
Speaker 1: the Chargers. I think it's that's not They're not going
Speaker 1: to coast into January either. Is it true that they
Speaker 1: played every single snap besides like three in eleven personnel
Speaker 1: on Sunday? I didn't watch the game close Chiefs? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or no, the Giants. That's their normal offense. Yeah, Actually,
Speaker 1: going into the all season long, they're like, well that's
Speaker 1: their strength. They don't they haven't had a running there's
Speaker 1: only not two back offense. That's so predictable. Though. That
Speaker 1: was such a such a big win by the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: but they were pretty lucky to win that game. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with the Chiefs are more likely to fall everybody, Uh,
Speaker 1: share their piece there all it? Yeah, I couldn't throw
Speaker 1: one more in go ahead West one more more. The
Speaker 1: m v P Award is won by a member of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys or a member of the other thirty
Speaker 1: one teams. Always take the field, you, you typically say,
Speaker 1: but this is this might be a different case. Not
Speaker 1: for me. I am taking the field. I think Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: you know, little speed bump here lately, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Brady's gonna get it. He's gotta be. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be head and shoulders over the crowd like Joe Montana
Speaker 1: was when he lost three games. That's the only president.
Speaker 1: And Tom Brady has not been head and shoulders for
Speaker 1: the past month. I think he has been until last week.
Speaker 1: But if that's a sign of things to come, that's troubling.
Speaker 1: I think if Dak Prescott wins the m v P,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a little bit of a couldn't that
Speaker 1: That's what I was getting too. That makes some sense
Speaker 1: to me, And you could see the writers kind of
Speaker 1: getting behind that as almost like a let's reward the
Speaker 1: running game. It's almost like giving it to the offensive line.
Speaker 1: You could see that, And I mean, I totally think
Speaker 1: that that. The Belichick and Brady should have won many
Speaker 1: more head coaching awards and m vps over the years
Speaker 1: than they have. But the Patriots went three and one
Speaker 1: without without Brady, and they've been this same team with
Speaker 1: Brady record wise year after year. This year doesn't particularly
Speaker 1: stand out necessarily, the Cowboys were what four and twelve?
Speaker 1: I think it stands out if he closes strong, he
Speaker 1: his numbers are as good as they've ever been. Ryan
Speaker 1: is a much better m VP candidate than Tom Brady
Speaker 1: a week ago, though he literally had better numbers than
Speaker 1: he's ever had in his entire career. I'm from a
Speaker 1: point is Elliott and whether it's Elliot or President and
Speaker 1: Prescott are both. They come in and the team goes
Speaker 1: four and twelve last year or whatever the record was,
Speaker 1: and they are now the best team in the NFL arguably. Well,
Speaker 1: the fact that the Cowboys have two guys that are
Speaker 1: legitimate Canada it's for it. It just they take up
Speaker 1: all the attention and so it's I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really hard for anybody else in the field because
Speaker 1: if when you have two guys right there, everybody's looking
Speaker 1: at that team. Yeah, you're right, it's number one. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, if you guys are voting today, I
Speaker 1: know this is off what's more likely, But if you
Speaker 1: guys are voting today, who who would you pick? Not
Speaker 1: who do you think would win? But who would you think?
Speaker 1: I would have to study really hard between Ezeel Elliott
Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan. I would say, Ezekiel Elliott, I think
Speaker 1: I would go, Matt Ryan, are you pulling it if
Speaker 1: the season ended today? Yeah, I mean I know that's
Speaker 1: a little tricky, but yeah, I thought you hated that.
Speaker 1: That was just like a one. You made a lot
Speaker 1: of things. Um, here's my dark horse in this. Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan's a very fair pick. I like that. Zeke and
Speaker 1: Dad could end up splitting the vote, which would cost
Speaker 1: both of them in this type of race. But how
Speaker 1: about if the if the Saints do grab wild card,
Speaker 1: spot Free is leading every statistical category, throws for five
Speaker 1: thousand yards and forty two touchdowns, that has a one
Speaker 1: tent passer rating, whatever, and they make the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: think they need That's that's that's the tough part. They're
Speaker 1: a losing record, you know, because again it's Drew Brees
Speaker 1: has been outstanding. But what is the difference in in
Speaker 1: the mind of some of these voters of Drew Brees
Speaker 1: this year in other years? To us, we see a
Speaker 1: difference potentially, But the Cowboys have two players that didn't
Speaker 1: exist in the NFL a year ago who are captivating.
Speaker 1: Go watch an NFL pregame show even on NFL Network,
Speaker 1: It's sixty minutes of Dallas Cowboys. The numbers. Are we
Speaker 1: missing anyone? By the way, Derek Carr, Derek Car a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I also think Matt Ryan has been
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than Drew Brees, leading a better offense
Speaker 1: than Drew Brees. I I agree. As much as I
Speaker 1: love Drew Brees this year and think he's been better
Speaker 1: than he's been the last few years and is solidly
Speaker 1: in the top three quarterbacks and would be on the
Speaker 1: top three or four m VP, I think Matt Ryan's
Speaker 1: been better Breese should be in the conversation though he
Speaker 1: really hasn't been. I'm not gonna I know people hate
Speaker 1: to hear that. I'm not gonna pick a player who's
Speaker 1: on a losing team to be in the m v P.
Speaker 1: This is all to me under Yeah, they would have
Speaker 1: to go ted in six or something like that. Right now,
Speaker 1: he's on pace for fifty yards touch and a lot
Speaker 1: of people say, don't take his stats too seriously, but
Speaker 1: I do d yards, forty four touchdowns, twelve picks, and
Speaker 1: a hundred nine pass rating. Doesn't he do that every year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He does, which is pretty amazing. I agree all right,
Speaker 1: Ryan leads the league in yards per tempt yards. It's
Speaker 1: it's also it's not best stats. It's the most valuable player.
Speaker 1: And I don't and I feel like Tom Brady has
Speaker 1: been overlooked far too many times in general, the most
Speaker 1: valuable overall player in the league the entire century is
Speaker 1: to just I wouldn't reward him just this year just
Speaker 1: because other years we missed. Well, that stuff happens all
Speaker 1: the time. I agree with you in principle, but in
Speaker 1: just that Brady has been overlooked when he's been the
Speaker 1: most valuable player. He's not more than once. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna want for more decorations when he retires. That also
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. But I agree with you,
Speaker 1: but that that's not how the voters should think. Whether
Speaker 1: he wants an MVP trophy, I mean, I'm going Dallas
Speaker 1: number one, two time Most Valuable Player, three times Super
Speaker 1: Bowl m v P. I don't. I feel like Tom
Speaker 1: Brady has been well it would come a million a year.
Speaker 1: I don't really. I'm just does nothing for hashtag gradual decline.
Speaker 1: He's year come back Year award, eleven time Pro bowler,
Speaker 1: the point at under the radar all of this. These
Speaker 1: awards are narrative driven, and they look for something that's
Speaker 1: new and flashy. Last year, that's the Dallas Cowboys. It's
Speaker 1: not Tom Brady, and frankly, it's not Matt Ryan to
Speaker 1: most football back I think you're right, Mark, And I
Speaker 1: think if the award was being held today, another you
Speaker 1: know thing you said, I don't like. That's a little tweak.
Speaker 1: I think I think Elliott would win if I had
Speaker 1: to guess. Alright, let's move on, guys, talk Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Dallas Cowboys, they head to Minnesota at
Speaker 1: ten and one. Cowboys have not lost uh in like
Speaker 1: over eighty days now seems like forever. And they lost
Speaker 1: the season opener to the Giants uh and have won
Speaker 1: every game since. And now they go and travel UH
Speaker 1: to Minnesota a team and the Vikings that really, um
Speaker 1: again did not look great on Thanksgiving their last game.
Speaker 1: They did, uh play well. Uh, We've got some big
Speaker 1: plays to beat the Cardinals the prior week, and then
Speaker 1: of course they lost four games in row prior to that.
Speaker 1: So I think in a lot of ways, uh, Colleen Wolf,
Speaker 1: the Vikings are still a team that everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: figure out were relationship wise, We're trying to figure them out.
Speaker 1: The NFL now trying to are the Vikings any good
Speaker 1: or not? And but we know how good the Cowboys are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could clinch a playoffs. But this week too with
Speaker 1: if they win in Washington loses or if they win
Speaker 1: uh yeah the Cowboys or and if they win in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay loses or ties, which we've seen a lot of.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Vikings, it's it's really hard to figure
Speaker 1: them out. It was kind of a boring game too
Speaker 1: to watch on Thanksgiving because after the first drive to
Speaker 1: tell me about it, I was here, I'm that was
Speaker 1: it for the offense, and then they just traded field
Speaker 1: goals back and forth until Sam Bradford, under pressure just
Speaker 1: throws a huge interception. I throw something out about that
Speaker 1: because I know in this room there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of um positive comments about Sam Bradford this season, pointing
Speaker 1: Tim is not the problem. I'm not saying he's the problem,
Speaker 1: but they don't score any points. I mean, and he's
Speaker 1: the quarterback, so like he's having his best season. He's
Speaker 1: making throws right, but does But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, though their offense is still not good. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's his fault, but this doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a little bit better. A lot better at home
Speaker 1: is on the road. Seven touchdown zero And if you're
Speaker 1: watching the games, I don't think any straight minded person
Speaker 1: is gonna say Sam Bradford, I don't think he has
Speaker 1: to be better. I think I think he's dealing with
Speaker 1: the worst rushing attack we've ever seen in our lives.
Speaker 1: Two point four yards the worst rushing attack do not
Speaker 1: the answer. They don't pick up third and fourth and
Speaker 1: one in key situations, which means they don't convert red
Speaker 1: zone and they don't score touchdowns. They also have the
Speaker 1: worst offensive line in the NFL. But and I just
Speaker 1: have to be better. Though, well maybe he's not there.
Speaker 1: He need he Aaron Rodgers, I believe will be playing
Speaker 1: worse in this offense than Sam. Here's the thing. They've
Speaker 1: they've overcorrected, how careful they are. I know the offensive
Speaker 1: line is bad, but watching that game, Mark it must
Speaker 1: have driven you crazy. How they throw short of the
Speaker 1: sticks every freaking third down. And that's a little bit
Speaker 1: on Sam Bradford. He is about to set at all
Speaker 1: time record for completion percentage on one of the worst
Speaker 1: offenses in football, so that that doesn't compute. Yeah, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but you gotta something needs to change because that's not
Speaker 1: enough when you go again but twenty two, like, okay,
Speaker 1: you need to change, So now drop back another two
Speaker 1: steps and get sacked. No. I mean you just have
Speaker 1: to fit. You have to figure out ways to mix
Speaker 1: in some longer plays. I mean, when you score thirteen
Speaker 1: points against the Lions on a day where Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: played pretty well, it's like something's wrong. Average pass traveled
Speaker 1: three point for a right. That's that's what. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's it's too much. You gotta have some
Speaker 1: That's what happened when Shermer took over for North term
Speaker 1: it is, and it's also a symptom of their personnel
Speaker 1: in their offense. They all they did not have stuff
Speaker 1: on digs in the lineup on Thanksgiving getting him back?
Speaker 1: Is it enough against the Dallas Cowboys? I would say
Speaker 1: absolutely not. But he gives you a downhill eleman, He's
Speaker 1: he's a star wide receiver. Watched that game and I
Speaker 1: thought the Vikings were a better team and and at worst,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can watch that game and think Oh,
Speaker 1: the Lions are some better team. They were just too
Speaker 1: evenly played teams who both had a lot of flowers
Speaker 1: and one of them, you know, came up with the
Speaker 1: plays that at the end. That's what the Lions do.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they're terrible. Really could have used
Speaker 1: this year is an impact performance from their first round pick,
Speaker 1: who was a wide receiver. Like that's almost flown under
Speaker 1: the radar. It's not like the quarterback that they're developed here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a what the eighteenth nineteenth overall pick in
Speaker 1: the draft, and he is a nonentity in this office
Speaker 1: and and a reliable kicker. Would they'd have a different
Speaker 1: record entirely if they had a reliable kicker team. The
Speaker 1: offensive line and ground attack are the Blake borders of
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. That's holding the team hostage. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't really you can point the fingers anywhere else on
Speaker 1: this team, but you'd be wrong. It's all the offensive
Speaker 1: line in ground attack. But this is a great matchup
Speaker 1: for them. I I know, uh, it's it's not a
Speaker 1: game they should be favored. But if you want to play,
Speaker 1: if you're the Vikings, the teams you want to play
Speaker 1: are teams that play safe defense, play zone defense, and
Speaker 1: have no pass rush. And oh, by the way, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys give up five hundred yards and eight freaking drives
Speaker 1: against Washington. They have no pass rush, and the Vikings
Speaker 1: are Redskins are averaging almost five hundred yards per game. Right,
Speaker 1: but that was an eight drive. It was one of
Speaker 1: the better offensive performances. All I'm saying is have your
Speaker 1: defense show up, make a couple of plays. And this
Speaker 1: is a defense, you should be able to move the ball.
Speaker 1: I I like, I like what you're saying. I where
Speaker 1: I would flip the script, though, is if you want
Speaker 1: to beat Dallas, you've got to do what Dallas does.
Speaker 1: You've got to find a way. You have to have
Speaker 1: the type of offense that can get on the few
Speaker 1: old and stay on the field for long drives. To
Speaker 1: keep Dallas and what they do on the sideline, keep
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott on the sideline, keep keep a loaded passing
Speaker 1: game on the sideline. Minnesota has cannot sustain drives for
Speaker 1: all the reasons that we just mentioned. Adrian Peterson, by
Speaker 1: the way, not in the mix for this game, but
Speaker 1: positive news for the Vikings that he is uh now
Speaker 1: running off to the side at practice on Tuesday. According
Speaker 1: to Stacy Dale's of NFL Network, he might be ahead
Speaker 1: of schedule. But the question I guess and I'll ask
Speaker 1: us is do you think that matters between him coming
Speaker 1: back from a serious knee injury and an offensive line
Speaker 1: that's a major problem. I think it matters. He's an
Speaker 1: upgrade on Jerick McKinnon and Matt Matt Ausiata big time.
Speaker 1: But could he be a difference maker. You'd have to
Speaker 1: game plan for them differently if you're turing Peterson sitting
Speaker 1: in the back because they're they're in all these games
Speaker 1: that they're not a good team. But all of these
Speaker 1: losses except for the Bears loss came down to the
Speaker 1: final possession. So if you can get a little better
Speaker 1: with Adrian Peterson, you know you get if on big
Speaker 1: dig but maybe they can flip it, can flip some
Speaker 1: of these close games, convert some short yardage, which are
Speaker 1: the biggest plays in any game. Really, like you're in
Speaker 1: the red zone. You need fourth and one or third
Speaker 1: and one. They never make it. Hey, Vikings, tell me
Speaker 1: you love me, right, tell me you love This does
Speaker 1: seem personal, right, Zimmer If you've watched Zimmer in press
Speaker 1: this week. Oh, he is fired up. They are fired
Speaker 1: up for this game. He's fired up because he's been
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys a long time and it's a personal
Speaker 1: game with him, and he worked for the Joneses, and
Speaker 1: he knows they're underdogs and this feels like a back
Speaker 1: against the wild game. Will see the best out of
Speaker 1: the Vikings. It's a lot of that, and they play
Speaker 1: much better defense at home. But I think in the
Speaker 1: year two thousand and sixteen, the defense does not exist
Speaker 1: that can stop the Dallas Cowboys. Pick the game, Mark
Speaker 1: Dallas score thirty one Cowboys, Uh thirty to thirteen. Um, Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I think I know where our hearts are. Cowboys. I'm
Speaker 1: sticking with the Vikings. I mean, I I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that crazy. You're right, I'd probably
Speaker 1: pick him in every game. That's Greg's not breaking up.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with him. I mean, I think they have
Speaker 1: I think they have some some exciting, big games left
Speaker 1: in them, and this would be a season saver. It
Speaker 1: would end in that building in prime time. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the most stunning thing in the world. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it. Hey, before we go one more time Around
Speaker 1: the Horn we're talking about. Casey Affleck was on the
Speaker 1: Fresh Air podcast his first movie, the Gusts van Zend
Speaker 1: directed To Die For with Nicole Kidman. That was also
Speaker 1: the first date I ever went on, was to go
Speaker 1: see that movie. Great, great movie to die For when
Speaker 1: you're you know, a young boy, when you're fourteen. It's
Speaker 1: I didn't really get it at the time. It took
Speaker 1: a little time to figure it out. Around the Horn.
Speaker 1: First date movie that you saw came out December eleventh,
Speaker 1: nine five. It was well, I'm adi myself, but I'm
Speaker 1: proud of it. Jewel of the Jewel of the Nile movie. No,
Speaker 1: that's Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner and there. Yeah, date's name
Speaker 1: Robin guys double date. I was still throwing rocks at
Speaker 1: girls old are you Mark? I was in sixth grade,
Speaker 1: h a boy of eleven. Our town moved fast. We
Speaker 1: were you know, we were not we were not a coold.
Speaker 1: You were going on a one on one movie date
Speaker 1: at age eleven. Well, our entire sixth grade class went
Speaker 1: to the same movie theater, and so it wasn't like
Speaker 1: I had to engineer the whole thing from complete scratch,
Speaker 1: we counting that? Should we count that it was a
Speaker 1: date that we were dating? For it? Did you pay
Speaker 1: for it? Pay for her? Absolutely? Did you guys hold hands? Wait?
Speaker 1: But did your parents pay for it? Listen? There's a
Speaker 1: whole another narrative to this that I can tell you
Speaker 1: about another time, A whole another narrative. What this was?
Speaker 1: I was legitimately dating this this young woman. Yes, I was.
Speaker 1: He was a girl. Wait what happened? What happened? I
Speaker 1: can't get into that. There was a lot of there
Speaker 1: was a lot of peer pressure from like very annoying
Speaker 1: male friends, Mark because it was one of the few
Speaker 1: dates probably happening in the theater, and there were a
Speaker 1: gang of like coming up right behind me saying stuff
Speaker 1: to us. And her name was Robin, a very nice girl,
Speaker 1: and I feel bad for it. Relationship crumbled soon after
Speaker 1: Mark before the show that something very disturbing was going
Speaker 1: on in the theater. Well it was that it was
Speaker 1: you had a peanut gallery. That was absolutely and it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was unnecessary, all right, West, because I
Speaker 1: was always friends with girls before we went out. I
Speaker 1: didn't really date until I was forty two years old.
Speaker 1: But I do remember this last week. Back when I
Speaker 1: was one and I was delivering mail, a girl who
Speaker 1: grew up behind me asked me out when we went
Speaker 1: to go see Casino, and I fell. I fell asleep
Speaker 1: during the movie because I was getting up at like
Speaker 1: five in the morning to go on my mail route
Speaker 1: and like the date, like she wanted to go out again,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, I fell asleep during.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like exciting, it's not a
Speaker 1: it's not the best movie to like go necking too.
Speaker 1: As Joe Peschi gets buried alive in a cornfield, I mean,
Speaker 1: good luck trying to neck with somebody who's sleeping. Nick,
Speaker 1: Who's why are you both still using that for noodle?
Speaker 1: I don't really remember a whole lot in general, but
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows, just you know, different things
Speaker 1: here and there. But the first date I can remember
Speaker 1: that was at a movie theater. It was Armacgeddono, and
Speaker 1: it was such a bad day. And every time I
Speaker 1: heard that song that was popular, it just reminded me
Speaker 1: of the date, and it just like would not stop
Speaker 1: playing everything you thought you were Ben Affleck and lived
Speaker 1: Tyler around that lawn that they were lying on with
Speaker 1: their animal Crackers. I needed to get out. The date
Speaker 1: was kind of not sanitary with the animal Cracker. No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I don't don't want to miss the thing.
Speaker 1: That was a terrible song. Greg. Finally, um, I think
Speaker 1: this was the first one, but I definitely remember it
Speaker 1: because it was so bad. I saw Legends of the Fall,
Speaker 1: all right. It was my freshman year of high school.
Speaker 1: It was exciting because my girlfriend was Hopkins and brads
Speaker 1: like he became. It was a terrible movie. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't agree with that. That's how I remember. But it
Speaker 1: was exciting because because I was dating. I was a
Speaker 1: freshman and I was dating a junior. And I've seen
Speaker 1: pictures of you. You're in fourteen, you you were more
Speaker 1: muscular than you are now. She was. She had a
Speaker 1: car which was Beware Renault, which is a car that
Speaker 1: doesn't even exist anymore. Greg had really intimidating trap muscles
Speaker 1: when he was fourteen, developed the first State movie Don't
Speaker 1: go to a Brad Pitt film when he's just breaking out.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think, I think the opposite. I think
Speaker 1: that was why she wanted to go. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like to compare you to kind of like in the mood.
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Speaker 1: Behind the Glass. It's Thursday and now a word with
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Speaker 1: little Hans Rosling. Mr Epp, it's your birthday number one,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Thanks thanks Mark. I want to get right
Speaker 1: down to it. What makes Hans Rosling a central figure
Speaker 1: in the world of economic thought? Well, I think probably
Speaker 1: the most important thing about someone like Hans Rosling is
Speaker 1: that he brings to life the statistics that we teach
Speaker 1: in class. So frequently in an economics class um the
Speaker 1: statistics can seem dry or isolated in their applicability in
Speaker 1: the world. And and Hans Rosling does an amazing job
Speaker 1: with taking statistics and turning them into an explainable, interesting,
Speaker 1: dynamic presentation. And he's an amazing speaker. So I he's
Speaker 1: a professor of public health and I and I really
Speaker 1: enjoy his TED talks and met him once at a
Speaker 1: teacher conference, and he just was a really dynamic individual.
Speaker 1: And so I like his shows and presenting his shows
Speaker 1: to my kids to explain concepts with human development, UM
Speaker 1: and economic development, because they help bring the concepts alive.
Speaker 1: I I watched one of the TED talks, well about
Speaker 1: two minutes of it. Um got as much as I
Speaker 1: could out of it. Would that presentation, in your mind,
Speaker 1: have been better if the Today's Show's former host Jane
Speaker 1: Pauli had been moderating the production. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it would make it a different show for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they both would enjoy it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not certain if if I could answer that
Speaker 1: very well, He's so he was born in n not
Speaker 1: exactly a millennial or one who would be you know,
Speaker 1: the target to connect with millennials. But your class, um,
Speaker 1: are they? Is he? Is he a big Is he
Speaker 1: a big followship in your class? Are they a big
Speaker 1: fans of Hans Rosling? Actually it's surprising he does appeal.
Speaker 1: His shows are actually really his talks are really great
Speaker 1: on on on Ted. He's one of the foremost downloaded
Speaker 1: talks there. So yeah, I think students do like it.
Speaker 1: You know, the the idea of measuring a statistic is
Speaker 1: is really important in economics. We we've been measuring, for example,
Speaker 1: gross domestic products since the thirties extensively to try and
Speaker 1: get a handle on how our national economics, our national
Speaker 1: economy is doing. And we've also done sort of work
Speaker 1: since the nineties with Human Development Index in a mathematical
Speaker 1: way to analyze like how we're doing with how people
Speaker 1: are are their standard of living is measured, and so
Speaker 1: in isolation those statistics they don't mean very much. But
Speaker 1: when someone like Hans Roslin gets a hold of them,
Speaker 1: what he can do is he can bring to life.
Speaker 1: And so that's a great benefit to a teacher trying
Speaker 1: to explain something which in isolation might appear kind of boring.
Speaker 1: I read that when he was twenty there was something,
Speaker 1: you know, doctors diagnosed something wrong with his liver and
Speaker 1: he can never drink again. Do you think it's a
Speaker 1: good idea for um economists, especially economists in the in
Speaker 1: the Netherlands or in in you know, outside of America,
Speaker 1: to stay sober? Oh? Oh, I I know. I think
Speaker 1: that's a great tragedy that would be too bad if
Speaker 1: they tried to do that. They'd miss out on a
Speaker 1: lot of the benefit of living over here and close
Speaker 1: to Belgium with their famous beer brewing. And hopefully my
Speaker 1: students don't listen to this particular episode because we should
Speaker 1: be studying, get back to work. They really should. I know. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, just from talking to you a little bit
Speaker 1: um over email in in Facebook, that you are an
Speaker 1: avid bicyclist in the Nigue, in the Hague, the Netherlands.
Speaker 1: Would you describe yourself as anti car anti automobile are you?
Speaker 1: Is it some sort of movement that you're starting. I
Speaker 1: think I think it was probably when we moved here,
Speaker 1: we we didn't want to buy a car because they're
Speaker 1: pretty expensive. But boy, it is an amazing way of
Speaker 1: life to be able to ride your bike in Holland
Speaker 1: on the in the Netherlands on the on the bike paths.
Speaker 1: They are an amazing Uh. National infrastructure is incredible. You
Speaker 1: can go anywhere at any time and you're safe on
Speaker 1: the roads. So it is fantastic. And you are you've
Speaker 1: been out of the states for some time. You don't uh,
Speaker 1: you don't seem to appear on paper anywhere in terms
Speaker 1: of owning an automobile. Are you potentially are you on
Speaker 1: the run yourself from the US government or something here
Speaker 1: in the United States. I'm not not not as far
Speaker 1: as I know. I'm paying my taxes, I'm taking care
Speaker 1: of stuff on that. On that end, very good. Well,
Speaker 1: happy birthday, thanks for being with us, and uh we'll
Speaker 1: have you back soon and talk about another world famous
Speaker 1: hot economic thinker. Thanks Mark, Thanks Sydney's. Happy Happy day
Speaker 1: to all you on the all your heroes on the podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, be well. M