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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition up there Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus and I am joined as
Speaker 1: always my room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling
Speaker 1: and Greg rosa Thal. What's up, boys, Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: get a handle on these drops. We'd bathe in teams
Speaker 1: medical pools that create that far off from what's what's
Speaker 1: your left? Pretty far off. What was your last tropical vacation? Uh,
Speaker 1: my honeymoon, which is what years and years two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine. Yeah, I I went on a nice one
Speaker 1: of my honeymoon that was years ago. Well, and you
Speaker 1: massively overspend for it. We paid for it for the
Speaker 1: next four years. I think what Matt Money was getting
Speaker 1: to there was we are men of modest means and
Speaker 1: humble origins, very high up in the common man ranking. Right,
Speaker 1: So we're not cliff diving in Kauai without Michaels this weekend.
Speaker 1: We are bathing in whirlpools. I think maybe that's a
Speaker 1: little bit you might be reading too much into it.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a totally ridiculous statement, and I
Speaker 1: ave got to be pretty high up in the food
Speaker 1: chain to be inside a team complex to start with.
Speaker 1: So that's there's some fundamental issues with the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It is week twelve, and um a wise man, okay?
Speaker 1: Was Mike Francisa once said to me over and over
Speaker 1: again as a as a team listening to sports radio,
Speaker 1: you don't take the NFL seriously until Thanksgiving. And on
Speaker 1: some levels, Mike, he's he's right. This is when we
Speaker 1: really start to figure out what is going on, who's
Speaker 1: for real, who's a phony? Thanksgiving is come and gone.
Speaker 1: And yes, there were three games on Thursday that we
Speaker 1: usually talked about every game this season. We will get
Speaker 1: to those games in some in some way a little
Speaker 1: later in the show, but for now, this is our
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Speaker 1: class in the Hague, the Netherlands Stack, and we have
Speaker 1: a bunch of games to talk about today, twelve in fact,
Speaker 1: including the Sunday night affair in Denver between the Chiefs
Speaker 1: and the Broncos. So I say, Fellas, unless there's anything
Speaker 1: else anybody who wants to discuss, we should just get
Speaker 1: right into it, fellas, And why don't we start with
Speaker 1: one of the games of the year. At the black Hole,
Speaker 1: Newton takes the snap back for man Rush. Newton got
Speaker 1: hit balls loose, it's free in This game is over.
Speaker 1: It is recovered by the letters they got him with
Speaker 1: the rush in Carolina is gonna fall the four and
Speaker 1: seven on the season. Khalil Mack was a big play
Speaker 1: machine on Sunday. His sack strip and fumble recovery the
Speaker 1: difference in the Raiders to win over the Oh somebody
Speaker 1: locked that up? Who locked it up? Didn't he remember
Speaker 1: doing it? But that's two weeks in a row. So
Speaker 1: look at you much with the hot headed critique, look
Speaker 1: at you Mark anyway. At win over the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 1: at the black Hole, Carolina had wiped out a seventeen
Speaker 1: point halftime deficit and Derek Carr suffered a painful finger injury.
Speaker 1: But the two thousand sixteen Raiders are a special team
Speaker 1: that always finds a way. Who once to get us
Speaker 1: started here, Well, this is one of those games you thought,
Speaker 1: well for once this Raiders, a little magic is gonna
Speaker 1: wear off because you thought you think the game's over.
Speaker 1: It's twenty four to seven going into halftime after a
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack pick six and the Panthers look lifeless. I
Speaker 1: think Cam Newton had less than twenty yards passing in
Speaker 1: the first half, and you think this thing is over
Speaker 1: and they put twenty five straight points up. They not
Speaker 1: just take the lead. After they take the lead, you
Speaker 1: think the Raiders maybe they're gonna come back three and out.
Speaker 1: Panthers drop another touchdown on them to go up eight points.
Speaker 1: In the middle of that, the Carolina went for three
Speaker 1: two point conversions each time. It's sort of logically made
Speaker 1: sense each time they missed. But when the Raiders got
Speaker 1: their touchdown back, they hit the two point conversion, they
Speaker 1: win it. At the end. I mean, the game had
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything that we can dive into,
Speaker 1: but it just shows the Raiders in a spot where
Speaker 1: most teams, I think, what a crumbled there fought back.
Speaker 1: The Panthers are four and seven this year and they
Speaker 1: are done. Um, there's no there's no hiding it. But again,
Speaker 1: what they flashed in this game is what they flashed
Speaker 1: all years. That team from last year was still in
Speaker 1: their DNA this year and and it would pop out
Speaker 1: in spurts. But the difference between this last and last
Speaker 1: year's team is West. They just couldn't keep it going.
Speaker 1: And this is a perfect example of what happened today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you point to Derek Carr and Cleil Mac.
Speaker 1: Cleil Mac making plays with the game on the line,
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr this year, in the fourth quarter when
Speaker 1: the Raiders are tied or trailing, has a passer rating
Speaker 1: of one two point five with a ten to one
Speaker 1: touchdown to interception ratio. You can't play quarterback better than that,
Speaker 1: right And and it's on a day where he he
Speaker 1: suffers an injury, he leaves the couch, it looked bad.
Speaker 1: He comes back in and throws one of the ugliest interceptions,
Speaker 1: uh that you'll ever see. A week after he threw
Speaker 1: another ugly one. But I think that's that's sort of
Speaker 1: why I'm not in on Derek Carr as an m
Speaker 1: v P. But that doesn't matter. He's one of the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league for one of the best
Speaker 1: teams in the league. And when he makes mistakes, he
Speaker 1: fights back and they get thirteen points in the last
Speaker 1: two drives, and the defense, they get a little bit
Speaker 1: of luck, they get make some plays to end the game.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. The loser of Sunday Night Football will fall
Speaker 1: two games behind the Raiders. And you know, when you
Speaker 1: live in southern California, it's easy to walk into any
Speaker 1: sports bar and find yourself annoyed with Raiders fans in general.
Speaker 1: They can be because they are very passionate. They can
Speaker 1: be an annoying group. But I will give the two
Speaker 1: I'll give this to them. They're loyal, They've been that
Speaker 1: team has moved multiple times. They've been through a lot
Speaker 1: first winning season guaranteed since two thousand and two. And
Speaker 1: Kalo Mack ended the game with with a sad of
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. So just to be able to do that,
Speaker 1: punctuating they were in the darkness forever, I mean, so
Speaker 1: for them to come out and this does I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's pixie dust in the air with this Oakland team.
Speaker 1: Uh not only they win and win in different ways
Speaker 1: and win late. Um, they seem to continue like many
Speaker 1: teams would have. You know, went down the tubes when
Speaker 1: Carolina took that game over, but the Raiders came back
Speaker 1: and you and it's tough when you're trying to for
Speaker 1: the first time as a young team, figure out what
Speaker 1: to do when you're eight and two going on nine
Speaker 1: and two, how do you play against a team that
Speaker 1: has essentially nothing to lose in the Panthers because your
Speaker 1: season is now over, but it was heading towards right
Speaker 1: and there there without Luke Kickley and Mario Addison have
Speaker 1: been their two best defensive players the last few weeks,
Speaker 1: so at luc Kickle obviously their best defensive players, so
Speaker 1: you know they deserve some credit for fighting back ted again.
Speaker 1: But the end of this game showed the difference in
Speaker 1: this team. Calvin Benjamin shows a total lack of awareness.
Speaker 1: Uh in a tie game with about five minutes left,
Speaker 1: catches a pass that should have been a first down.
Speaker 1: He goes out of bounds about half a yard before
Speaker 1: the first down marker really could have easily had it
Speaker 1: if he was just aware. And what does Ron Rivera do,
Speaker 1: Old Riverboat Ron forty yard line, you know? And no,
Speaker 1: it's on the other side of the field five minutes left.
Speaker 1: Though in an offensive game, he punts it away. He
Speaker 1: needed a foot with a physical freak at quarterback and
Speaker 1: punts it away and the Raiders go right down the
Speaker 1: field on him. Connor, what did you have to say?
Speaker 1: Therefore they're done. The Raiders, though vying with the Patriots
Speaker 1: for the number one seed in the FC. They have
Speaker 1: three road games left in five weeks. All three road
Speaker 1: games are against a f C West rivals. That's tough,
Speaker 1: But the Patriots aren't playing well either, so I don't
Speaker 1: really see either one of these teams is a huge favorite.
Speaker 1: I mean the Raiders every every game comes out of
Speaker 1: the end. And the Patriots, I think they have their
Speaker 1: own if they ever got a run in the a
Speaker 1: f C playoffs. The black holes that I would imagine
Speaker 1: be a very tough place to go and play a
Speaker 1: playoff game. Interesting to watch a playoff game. Wait, they
Speaker 1: get rid of the infield after baseball seasons over, we
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. Panthers have to stay
Speaker 1: out in California all week before I believe playing Seattle, Well,
Speaker 1: they could go stay in Eurasia or Central you know, Japan.
Speaker 1: Point who cares rg Papa with at KGMZ had that call,
Speaker 1: By the way, I gotta give him some credit. Now
Speaker 1: let's check in on the team. Another downtrodden two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen team, uh, the Arizona Cardinals, the opponent of the
Speaker 1: Panthers in the NFC title game. Seems so long ago.
Speaker 1: Now who's in the gun? Now he'll dump it here
Speaker 1: to Gabriel. He'll make a move. Thirty Taylor Gabriel ten
Speaker 1: five touchs down to nineteen to go in the first half,
Speaker 1: and the best thing Cleveland's ever done for Atlanta is
Speaker 1: standing in the east end zone with a touchdown that
Speaker 1: gives the Falcons their first lead of the day. I
Speaker 1: felt like a shot at mark by West Durham at
Speaker 1: w z g C Falcons Radio Network. The Falcons are
Speaker 1: so dangerous on offense because they could beat you in
Speaker 1: so many ways. On Sunday, it was Taylor Gabriel's turn
Speaker 1: to shine, his touchdowns of thirty five and twenty five
Speaker 1: yards helping to lead the Falcons to a thirty eight
Speaker 1: nineteen win over there. Oh we got locked up. I
Speaker 1: think this one's the old Zeuser. Oh yeah two. Oh no, baby,
Speaker 1: we're halfway home. We're halfway home. Exciting. What would you
Speaker 1: do if we got all four locks correct for the
Speaker 1: first time all year? What would you do? I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go to sleep that night. I would drink
Speaker 1: all night at the local, at tavern, at the Cozy.
Speaker 1: The Falcons um hand a thirty eight nineteen defeat to
Speaker 1: the dead in the nest Cardinals Chris Westling. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: feels like the Falcons and Cardinals switched bodies. Sometimes sometime
Speaker 1: last summer, I can't get over that intro dead in
Speaker 1: the nesting bodies. Look at you, Look at you. I
Speaker 1: know what you were doing while we were watching the
Speaker 1: end of these games. It's week twelve, baby, almost impressed.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people are gonna kill the
Speaker 1: Browns for Taylor. Taylor Gabriel. It's unfair. You can't. It's
Speaker 1: one thing to ask him be your number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver in Cleveland, a five ft eight guy undersized, and
Speaker 1: then it's another to go to Atlanta, where Julio Jones
Speaker 1: draws all draws all the coverage. You only call You
Speaker 1: only dial up Gabriel's number four or five times a
Speaker 1: game for big hit plays by a great play caller
Speaker 1: like Kyle Shanahan. And that's It's one thing to be
Speaker 1: a role player. You can't ask a guy like that
Speaker 1: to be a number one receiver. It's not fair to
Speaker 1: kill the Browns for not appreciating. No one was going
Speaker 1: after Taylor Gabriel. He's only there because he knows Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan's off, but he was phenomenal in this game, lightning
Speaker 1: quick cuts, making plays in the open field, slicing through
Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense. And I think every week you see
Speaker 1: the talent on the Cardinals roster that got into thirteen
Speaker 1: to three, and then during that game you also see
Speaker 1: costly mistakes and you saw that today to defensive pass
Speaker 1: interference penalties for Patrick Peterson on Julio Jones. One led
Speaker 1: directly to Davante Freeman one yard touchdown and other negated
Speaker 1: an interception by Dao and Buchanan. There was a clay
Speaker 1: As can't campbell uh penalty on fourth down that gave
Speaker 1: Atlanta fresh set of downs and led to a touchdown,
Speaker 1: and then d J Sweringer dropped an interception that led
Speaker 1: to a touchdown for Atlanta. A lot of mistakes by
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I see one team, like last year's Cardinals
Speaker 1: that finds a different way to kill you every week.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Taylor Gabriel this week, We'll be talking
Speaker 1: about someone else next week and someone else the week after.
Speaker 1: And the Cardinals for me, David Johnson the highest floor
Speaker 1: of any running back in the league week to week.
Speaker 1: Maybe Levy on Bells right there with him. But it
Speaker 1: seems like a two person offense right now. It's Larry Gerald,
Speaker 1: it's David Johnson, and that's the opposite of last year,
Speaker 1: where guys like Nelson and both Browns and multiple other
Speaker 1: players were stepping up for the Cardinals every week. Michael
Speaker 1: Floyd hurt his hamstring in practice this week, so he
Speaker 1: was limited in this game. Bruce Arians told the Fox
Speaker 1: broadcasting team that John Brown was as healthy as he's
Speaker 1: been all season. He proceeded to hurt his hamstring and
Speaker 1: left early in the third quarter, if not before then.
Speaker 1: So you're right. It's a two, two person offense. And
Speaker 1: David Johnson and Lay Fitzgerald both had spectacular performances. David
Speaker 1: Johnson the only running back besides Edrin James with a
Speaker 1: hundred yards from scrimmage in eleven straight games to start
Speaker 1: the season, and Larry Fitzgerald just making diving plays. Caught
Speaker 1: a ball and immediately slid to call time out to
Speaker 1: save one second on the clot for a for a
Speaker 1: fifty four yard vehicle right before halftime. It was great
Speaker 1: by both of those guys, but they're all alone on
Speaker 1: that offense. Where would the Cardinals be this season if
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald wasn't still playing like seven years old. Believe I
Speaker 1: only have a couple of wins. Well, I like we've
Speaker 1: talked about two teams now and the Panthers and the
Speaker 1: Cardinals that last year we couldn't have been higher on.
Speaker 1: There'll be two teams right now that are flying that
Speaker 1: next year will be total junk. There's not enough consistency
Speaker 1: with these teams right and but they're also there are
Speaker 1: two teams that, like you said, you kind of see
Speaker 1: the talent each week and a few if a few
Speaker 1: things broke a little differently, they'd have winning records. They'd
Speaker 1: be flipped. But that that's the NFL. Like the Falcons
Speaker 1: are are a great example of it. A year ago.
Speaker 1: Like this game, they have three hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 1: and thirty eight points. You don't usually see that the
Speaker 1: yardage in this game, it looks fairly even. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an evenly played game,
Speaker 1: but the Falcons are the ones playing smarter. Cardinals came
Speaker 1: out and moved the ball almost that will. Early on
Speaker 1: they had reshift their offensive line, kicking DJ Humphries over
Speaker 1: from right tackle to left tackle, which they believe he's
Speaker 1: more natural on the left side anyway, and then they
Speaker 1: put Ulrich john in on the right tackle and Vic
Speaker 1: Beasley used basically from mid second quarter on, used him
Speaker 1: as a punching bag and hurried Carson Palmer on most
Speaker 1: of his drop. There's three NFC West teams shuffling the
Speaker 1: line in week twelve, and it's not working for any
Speaker 1: of them. Salcons got a chance here at at a bye.
Speaker 1: By the way, all these teams that are seven and four,
Speaker 1: including the Lions that number two by number two seed
Speaker 1: in the NFC is pretty wide open. Check in out
Speaker 1: another Southwest matchup in the NFC wide receiver screen to speed.
Speaker 1: He can throw as well. It's a lateral and across
Speaker 1: the fields. He hits high Tower inscride down to the tent,
Speaker 1: takes a little at the ah. He will score touchdown
Speaker 1: fifty yards from Willie sneed to tim high Tower fun
Speaker 1: paid his opening up, can go who got you? Can
Speaker 1: of gotcha like it? Uh? Jim Henderson stepping on a
Speaker 1: great line from Deuce McCallister there w w L You know,
Speaker 1: I think that had a chance, by the way, to
Speaker 1: get into the top ten calls of the year. So
Speaker 1: they kind of trampled each other at the end. There.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd still consider it. It's rare to, you know,
Speaker 1: see that two guys work so poorly together it almost
Speaker 1: makes it charming. Plus Deuce McAllister, I missed this. I
Speaker 1: also like it was clearly a homer and that's fine
Speaker 1: with the local radio guys. When the balls in the
Speaker 1: air just going got him, got him, got him? Anyway,
Speaker 1: more on that play in a moment, Drew Brees accounted
Speaker 1: for five touchdowns and the Rams and rookie quarterback Jared
Speaker 1: Goff could not come close to keeping up in a
Speaker 1: forty nine win for the Saints after Super Dome, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's three? And oh who locked this baby up? I
Speaker 1: locked it up? Great, John, Buddy. That exact a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on you. No spoilers. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was. You might not know what it was. I
Speaker 1: know what it was, Okay, no spoilers, all right. The
Speaker 1: Saints rolled up over five hundred yards in total offense
Speaker 1: with a game plan that seems like a special f
Speaker 1: you from Sean Payton to Greg Williams. Greg, I have
Speaker 1: not regretted anything in our podcast more than Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: I remembered. I didn't even mention in this preview that
Speaker 1: this is the Greg Williams Sean Payton revenge game. They
Speaker 1: have not revenge. They have not played against each other
Speaker 1: since Gregg Williams was unceremoniously pushed out the door after
Speaker 1: the two thousand and eleven season after a lot of
Speaker 1: transcripts came out from the bounty Gate hearings where Joe
Speaker 1: Vitt and other Saints officials buried this guy, Greg Williams
Speaker 1: and Sean Payton. His players said it this this game
Speaker 1: meant more. You could tell this game meant more to
Speaker 1: Sean Payton than others. Cam Jordan's at least I heard
Speaker 1: this is you know, someone tweeted about it that that
Speaker 1: he said. You know, Peyton talked to the defense and
Speaker 1: players during the week and he told them we're gonna
Speaker 1: get fifty four, and this kind of puts the whole
Speaker 1: you know, he you know, he loves putting them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he failed this RAMS defense in its place, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: this RAMS defense is okay, it's not one of the
Speaker 1: top defenses in the league. So we're simply slicing out
Speaker 1: Sean Payton from bounty Gate. And anyway, I think it's
Speaker 1: all Greg Williams and Greg Williams who produced a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl winning defense. You know, our New Orleans that's all
Speaker 1: washed away by the age that I think the perfectly
Speaker 1: behaved Sean Payton is so is this is his revenge game.
Speaker 1: Don't buy it. There's no there's no doubt that there's
Speaker 1: hard feelings between the two. I think fans and Greg
Speaker 1: Williams players, including Roman Harper, have much more mixed feelings
Speaker 1: where they give Greg Williams a lot of credit and
Speaker 1: shot Payton should take more of the blame. But that's
Speaker 1: beside the point. This is a one sided game between
Speaker 1: two teams with the same record, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This would be going back to that play there were
Speaker 1: it was a point lead at that point, forty one
Speaker 1: for the Saints. It was ten fifteen to play in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Breeze took the ball Breezed by the
Speaker 1: way should be in the m v P conversation, uh
Speaker 1: and tossed the tim high Tower, who then unfiled that
Speaker 1: fifty yard past The Willies need points with ten minutes
Speaker 1: playing the fourth quarter, and they didn't even really call
Speaker 1: off the Dogs until late in the game. The next
Speaker 1: position possession, the Saints were throwing at midfield on third
Speaker 1: down and then they finally called off the dogs. But absolutely,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a message is being sent to Greg Williams,
Speaker 1: and I would say the message was received. Well. I
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder what the Rams would have The
Speaker 1: Saints would be if Greg Williams were still part of
Speaker 1: that team, if you could have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a better defense. This Saints team is fun to watch,
Speaker 1: and I had to say, Greg back in the summer,
Speaker 1: who called the NFC South the most exciting division, seemed
Speaker 1: like absolute nonsense at the time. You've got at least
Speaker 1: three teams in that division that are fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Do you think this the Saints would have a better
Speaker 1: defense with Greg Williams, Yes, I do. It feels like
Speaker 1: a bad day though, to say that Greg Williams can
Speaker 1: help a defense that he just got I understand today,
Speaker 1: but I'm not looking at just today. Overall, the Saints
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years would with Greg Williams
Speaker 1: would have been a better defense. Yes, they've been an
Speaker 1: absolute disaster on outside of the ball. Sounds like from
Speaker 1: reading Kevin Patrick's excellent recap that Sean Payton used his
Speaker 1: familiarity with Greg Williams to his advantage, and that they
Speaker 1: used aggressive the misdirection, which he knows the Rams defense
Speaker 1: is overly aggressive, so they use misdirection and took downfield shots.
Speaker 1: And that's knowing your opponent. Pretty This is one of
Speaker 1: the worst defensive efforts I've seen this year. I watched
Speaker 1: this game pretty closely, mark Ingram had a touchdown reception
Speaker 1: where I mean it looked like a no contact scrimmage.
Speaker 1: He caught the ball just basically jogged in from about
Speaker 1: twenty yards. He ran through massive holes all games. So
Speaker 1: the Saints everything worked for them. And uh, we shouldn't know.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff made some big strides at least you know,
Speaker 1: in the first half. He threw three touchdown passes in
Speaker 1: the first half. And and you guys will watch this
Speaker 1: game on a game pass. You know he played very
Speaker 1: well in the first half and in the second half. Uh,
Speaker 1: they did not put any points on the board, so
Speaker 1: you have to keep that in mind. But I would
Speaker 1: say this was some progress even against bad Saints. I
Speaker 1: think what you saw with Golf was he's got the
Speaker 1: arm that they that's why they took him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can he can throw the ball deep. There was
Speaker 1: some touch on that. I don't think it's a bad
Speaker 1: Saints defense anymore. They haven't been for about five weeks,
Speaker 1: so based on just watching the game's last five weeks,
Speaker 1: they've been an average defense. They've been playing pretty well.
Speaker 1: They you know, they lost those two tight games where
Speaker 1: you really thought they should have won against Denver in Carolina.
Speaker 1: They're at five and six, so they have a long
Speaker 1: uphill battle. But I still think they have a chance. Here.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff's getting the much coveted leadoff batter role on
Speaker 1: game pass tasty by the way, I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: throw this out here. Yes, Jeff Fisher after the game,
Speaker 1: you know, mentions how well they had an extra three
Speaker 1: or four days to prepare, come and off to us.
Speaker 1: You can't give your team that kind of an excuse.
Speaker 1: Come back to us, Jeff. You might not go seven
Speaker 1: and nine by the way, you want the seven at
Speaker 1: nine b A. It will be stretched to do it
Speaker 1: is we are going down six and ten Alley big time,
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe we'll see let's stay in the NFC South.
Speaker 1: Here's the drop riscopball touchdown out of Hopers touch stop
Speaker 1: Tampa Bury. How about you're riding Mike Kevin. What a
Speaker 1: great grandby ever strike for gamers? Wester O, Jean decker
Speaker 1: Hoff probs that no one's perfect. W f U s
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston and Mike Evans connected on two first half
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the Tampa Bay defense did the rest and
Speaker 1: a fourteen go figure five win over the Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: at the Pirate Ship. Has anybody called that? No, Well
Speaker 1: you just did. I think that's a start. It's better
Speaker 1: than the big Bell bottom. The Seahawks were held to
Speaker 1: just two yards of total offense. Mark Sessler. Did the
Speaker 1: Bucks provide any kind of blueprint on how to slow
Speaker 1: the Seattle offense? I think the issue for Seattle and
Speaker 1: it's we talked about Seattle being of those NFC West teams,
Speaker 1: the one that's done the best, being so shorthanded at
Speaker 1: the offensive line. It came home to haunt them big
Speaker 1: time today. I mean the Bucks have in their last
Speaker 1: three games allowed seventeen ten and today five points. Talk
Speaker 1: about a defense that's getting better and inexplicably over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. It's them, and they did just enough.
Speaker 1: They got out to an early start and on offense,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston and Mike Evans frying Seattle for two quick touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Did not score again all day long. But this is
Speaker 1: a Seattle team that Russell Wilson had one yard passing
Speaker 1: at the half and it was not a mirrage, not
Speaker 1: a mirrage. They could not run the ball. I think
Speaker 1: the people wondering why they let Kristen Michael go. I
Speaker 1: understand there was an injury at that position, but there
Speaker 1: is no sense today that Thomas Rawls alone is gonna
Speaker 1: save you when you can't open holes and you cannot
Speaker 1: protect Russell Wilson at eighty yards rushing. But again it's deceptive.
Speaker 1: It's because everything was breaking down around and there was
Speaker 1: known downfield element to their game. Two turnovers, two pick,
Speaker 1: two picks for Wilson, and every time a key situation
Speaker 1: seemed to come up, Tampa took him down. Tampa sacked
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in a couple of big spots today, and
Speaker 1: I was a very impressive win by the Bucks. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you're gonna go see them do this again,
Speaker 1: but it's a Bucks team, it's a it's a Seahawks
Speaker 1: team that scored three points on offense and two on defense.
Speaker 1: A quick look at the NFC South here there's one
Speaker 1: team out of it and it's the Carolina Panthers. Go
Speaker 1: figure um the win. Now the Buckets now six and five,
Speaker 1: only a game out in the South. The Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: lead the way at seven and four and the Saints
Speaker 1: hanging around of five and six. This is an interesting
Speaker 1: little division, as we had toward the final month of
Speaker 1: the season. Do you want respect from this podcast? If
Speaker 1: you're not a very good team, go out and do
Speaker 1: what the Bucks did. Grab it. They took respect by
Speaker 1: beating the Chiefs and the Seahawks, and right those are
Speaker 1: two playoff teams. This team is frisky. The Buccaneers that
Speaker 1: they're They're gonna be fun to watch, and Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: and Julio Jones are gonna be fighting for one All
Speaker 1: Pro spot because Mike Evans has one locked up. Wow,
Speaker 1: I think Mike Evans a monster this year. He made
Speaker 1: he made one. Listen. They don't have Earl Thomas in
Speaker 1: the Seattle secondary. That's a huge difference. That's I can't
Speaker 1: think of another safety that the defense will be that
Speaker 1: different without him on the field. That said Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: they asked him to go and be the number. They
Speaker 1: don't have a lot else around. Mike Evans one playoff
Speaker 1: to the next well, and they were really banged up
Speaker 1: Tampa early in the year, and it was a new
Speaker 1: defense with Mike Smith. I'm still stunned to see this
Speaker 1: sort of turnaround. But you have Gerald McCoy playing well. Now,
Speaker 1: you have no spend who missed some games early in
Speaker 1: the in the season, You're you're a little deeper. Robert
Speaker 1: Ayris was injured early in the season. But I was
Speaker 1: shocked to see. I mean, there were four sacks and
Speaker 1: nine QB hits in the first twenty minutes of this game.
Speaker 1: They finished with eleven QB hit. They took them so
Speaker 1: out of their element right away. In the first twenty
Speaker 1: plays they rereaked total how bick on Seattle This game
Speaker 1: with the score would have looked better for Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: One my one critique of Winston. It was a late
Speaker 1: fourth quarter they had the ball deep in Seattle territory.
Speaker 1: He threw it through a bad and he made a
Speaker 1: bad decision and through a pick that gave Seattle a
Speaker 1: chance to maybe come back and claim. It was a
Speaker 1: kind of game where you kept thinking Seattle is gonna
Speaker 1: win this. They're gonna find a way having done nothing
Speaker 1: all day long to have that one drive like they do.
Speaker 1: But Tampa Bay kept shutting them down and give him
Speaker 1: a lot of I guess the question I have. And
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley is a football historian. Um, you you surely
Speaker 1: remember last year right around this time, Jameis Winston and
Speaker 1: the Bucks got really hot. There was a fun little
Speaker 1: locker room scene Smith and Winston. Then they lost all
Speaker 1: the games and everybody got fired. Uh do we think
Speaker 1: this Bucks team is different? And they there are teams
Speaker 1: to really keep an eye on here. I think the
Speaker 1: one difference from what we've seen the last few weeks
Speaker 1: and what Mark said about today is their defense is
Speaker 1: much better than it was last year at this time, right,
Speaker 1: and I think Winston is better. Uh he was more
Speaker 1: up and down last year. He'll still give the defense
Speaker 1: a chance to make a few plays, but overall he
Speaker 1: more consistent. Doug Martin obviously hasn't been as good. The
Speaker 1: problem with the Bucks I think, and I'm all in, Look,
Speaker 1: I got sandwiches on it. I would love for them
Speaker 1: to serve me up some sandwiches at Chargers versus Saints
Speaker 1: at Cowboys at Saints versus Panthers. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: tough that's a taking road. Four of those. I mean
Speaker 1: they can, but that's a that's a tough road. You're
Speaker 1: underdog in three of those games. That's all I'm saying,
Speaker 1: in three tough places. Well, I mean you spent a
Speaker 1: plus describing how they could get back in the mix,
Speaker 1: and now you're telling us how they can. At some point,
Speaker 1: you know, they might just have to take you with them.
Speaker 1: They're gonna pull you into January potentially. I hope. So
Speaker 1: West is this is a Bermuda Triangle team the Bucks
Speaker 1: right Well, the Bermuda Triangle has traditionally been Atlanta, Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and Tennessee. Maybe, but I think if you're in SEC country,
Speaker 1: you're not getting any coverage from the NFL. That's why
Speaker 1: I like this discussion. Whether right now we're getting on
Speaker 1: the Bucks. I know, uh big time listening of the
Speaker 1: podcast Shelyn Patel and Tampa's excited the Bucks or something
Speaker 1: a team to watch. If Mike Evans played in New York,
Speaker 1: he would be on every pregame show, every highlight reels
Speaker 1: is relatively under the radar. Remember one overall pick having
Speaker 1: a really good second season. I was gonna say, I
Speaker 1: know it's sap one, I know it's sappy, but out
Speaker 1: there on Werner's interception was a great sports moment his father.
Speaker 1: It was not sappy. It was great and and it
Speaker 1: was on Friday, and that happens on Friday. He gets
Speaker 1: the interception, and it's not just that he gets the interception,
Speaker 1: just that what happened that Joe, his father passed away
Speaker 1: on Friday. I believe he got an interception early in
Speaker 1: this game, and just the reaction by him kind of
Speaker 1: going to the ground and very emotional, and then more
Speaker 1: the team all coming around him and support him, guys,
Speaker 1: And it was no it was no like last second,
Speaker 1: meaningless pick. It was a big pick in a big
Speaker 1: spot that I think Tampa suddenly gained confidence from a too.
Speaker 1: He's crying on the sideline where there's so many highlights
Speaker 1: all day long and so much nonsense being thrown at you.
Speaker 1: It's something that just got swept aside. But it was
Speaker 1: a big moment for that team. Not his only good
Speaker 1: play of the game. From what I saw on Twitter,
Speaker 1: he must have had a really good game all around.
Speaker 1: Let's move on and check out two fringe e a
Speaker 1: f C playoff teams. Rivers back looking firing towards again
Speaker 1: his own diving catch, good catch Hunter Henry, touchdown san
Speaker 1: Diego a twelve yard catch Hunter Henry rolling over with
Speaker 1: the football. He had to peel it off the deck,
Speaker 1: peel it. Josh Lowin k I o z with the call.
Speaker 1: The Chargers are still alive. Philip Rivers through three touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: including the one that you just heard. The Hunter, Henry
Speaker 1: and San Diego pulled within a game of five dred
Speaker 1: with over the Houston town. Oh, we did it up.
Speaker 1: You locked it up. We locked the whole thing up.
Speaker 1: We turned it up, and we said goodbye, see you
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Thank god. You called your self a lone
Speaker 1: wolf and you're going to go for the Houston Texans,
Speaker 1: which instigated me to look up the Chargers. The four
Speaker 1: four across baby, what do we get? Can that four
Speaker 1: baby on the bell? This this moment of relation, the
Speaker 1: segment ends. This is it. There's no more Lock of
Speaker 1: the week. This is the extent of our reward. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you want? I want more? You want lollipop,
Speaker 1: Lollipop for starters, lollipop for the Sissler right after the
Speaker 1: party horn, I hit him with another party horn. Okay,
Speaker 1: that might have That might have been enough. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's just for you. Thank you. Cidy is breaking out
Speaker 1: new sound, draft, new glasses on what more do you want? Well,
Speaker 1: she got a lot of money, now that's true. She
Speaker 1: walked in with like one of those poodles and like
Speaker 1: a Cartier bag. Cartier. You wouldn't know, Sidney, I believe
Speaker 1: it is Cartier. If I knew an expensive type of glasses,
Speaker 1: I would have, you know, made that sort of joke.
Speaker 1: But I can't even think of any man Greg walk
Speaker 1: through his humor process. Uh where were we? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did it, so four across Greg. The Texans came
Speaker 1: into this game with a much better record, but the
Speaker 1: Chargers simply have a much better quarterback. That's at the
Speaker 1: heart of everything in this game, right. Not an exciting
Speaker 1: Chargers game, which was a nice change of pace I
Speaker 1: think for Chargers fans, although we'll get to a little later.
Speaker 1: Mike McCoy always has to make it a little interesting.
Speaker 1: You were I was annoyed by Mike McCoy playing not
Speaker 1: to lose, and that's gonna come back to haunt this team.
Speaker 1: But this game was not really that close because Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers can make some tough throws and I would say
Speaker 1: this was one of Brock Osweiler's better games, which is
Speaker 1: pathetic when you think about He had three interceptions in
Speaker 1: this game. Two of them were two of them were
Speaker 1: it took a long time. Where Greg was saying before
Speaker 1: the show, a real catchphrase, thanks got one. He locked
Speaker 1: it up, locked up a catchphrase in a big spot.
Speaker 1: They asked. They asked Bill O'Brien after the game, by
Speaker 1: the way, if if Tom Savage well, it would possibly
Speaker 1: start next week. He said, now, Tom Savage, well, how
Speaker 1: brock Brock is his guy? He didn't like that question
Speaker 1: cause he got asked. They asked to him of twice
Speaker 1: in a row, and he was getting red faced. Sydney's
Speaker 1: rich both in heart and spirit and financially. I love
Speaker 1: that Philip Rivers this year with this team has turned
Speaker 1: into such a big playmaker. He is second in the
Speaker 1: league and plays over forty yards. He has the second
Speaker 1: most plays over forty yards of his career. He's a good,
Speaker 1: good vertical thrower still at this point of his career.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a perfect game, but dontrelle Inman and
Speaker 1: Tyrell Williams, and the defense especially is showing a lot
Speaker 1: of life, and that's what they're gonna need. They gotta
Speaker 1: win out. We didn't fork him. Greg and the West
Speaker 1: are on that hill. I already regret being on this hill.
Speaker 1: Why for the same reason, I'm surprised that Bragg loves
Speaker 1: a Chargers team where the coach is kind of just
Speaker 1: what's what's the right word for him mealy mouth from
Speaker 1: Mike McCoy. He coaches scared yet like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win six games with the way he
Speaker 1: coaches scared in the fourth quarter. I also take it
Speaker 1: all back. He coached brock Oswiler for a number of
Speaker 1: seasons and maybe new not a threat to beat us. Interesting,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien should have to stand up there and take
Speaker 1: those questions because his quarterback, the one that he and
Speaker 1: Rick Smith hand picked to leave this franchise, forced on
Speaker 1: him a little bit. But going he sat up there
Speaker 1: in the press conference and said, this guy checks all
Speaker 1: the boxes. I watched all film on him, and this
Speaker 1: is the guy we want. Is this guy gonna lead
Speaker 1: our franchise? And he's holding the team hostage. Last year's
Speaker 1: Quarterback Room, which featured prominently Brandon Weed and t J.
Speaker 1: Yates and Ryan Mallett, had a collective one and eleven
Speaker 1: t D D interception ratio brock Cossweller's twelve interception. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing there there formula to win his defense and running,
Speaker 1: and their defense and running aren't that good. Their defense
Speaker 1: is fine, it's better at home, but it wasn't good
Speaker 1: enough today. You know, the Chargers had more playmakers really
Speaker 1: on their defense, and the Texans did. Joey Bosa, who
Speaker 1: had a quiet couple of games before thereby got back
Speaker 1: on the defensive player of the year with a big
Speaker 1: time game. Seven tackles, drew some penalties, tackles for loss,
Speaker 1: half a sack, an amazing hustle play to kill a
Speaker 1: Texans drive. And then Casey Hayward has been a really
Speaker 1: underrated free agent signing, leads the league in interceptions, made
Speaker 1: a really good one today. He's been a playmaker. And
Speaker 1: your boy, Corey Tumor Wesseling inside linebacker. You love Corey
Speaker 1: to kind of this guy who came out of nowhere
Speaker 1: has been playing great. Tavis Brown might never get his
Speaker 1: job back. Who knows you got it. You've got to see.
Speaker 1: It was the Bucks, the Panthers, the Raiders, the Browns,
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs. I think it is. I would it
Speaker 1: would sooner forked the Texans than the Chargers. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this AFC South text now and I like, I like.
Speaker 1: Listeners of the show immediately tweeted a lot of tweets
Speaker 1: at me. That a Charger's Bucks game. It's like the
Speaker 1: battle of my two reel loves, somebody loves. Let's move
Speaker 1: on more. A f c um you know, fringe team,
Speaker 1: so well, one of them is not even on the
Speaker 1: fridge anymore. Here's Flacco to throw toward the ends on
Speaker 1: the perimit a leaping rap back right side of the end.
Speaker 1: Zo touchdown ribbons were shot pramit of fourteen yard pass
Speaker 1: play from Joe Flacco, and the Ravens jumped out to
Speaker 1: a six nothing lead with ten fifteen to play first quarter.
Speaker 1: Tom McCarthy of west Wants Westwood Wan Sports on the call,
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco through that one touchdown pass and Justin Tucker,
Speaker 1: in the NFL's best kicker, did the rest, hitting four
Speaker 1: field goals, including three from beyond fifty cards to lead
Speaker 1: the Ravens to a nineteen to fourteen win over the
Speaker 1: Bengals um who are forked hard. Mark Cessilo of the Ravens,
Speaker 1: a team that lost four straight games at one point,
Speaker 1: will head into December a top to a f C
Speaker 1: North just like everybody predicted. Well, I think we predicted
Speaker 1: that they were unpredictable. We didn't know what would happen
Speaker 1: with the Ravens, and you know, they've been that kind
Speaker 1: of team, flip flopping back and forth. But for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks now we've talked about the potential of
Speaker 1: their defense and the actual play of their defense, and
Speaker 1: today came up big because they they are a touchdown
Speaker 1: a verse offense that leads Justin. They need Justin Tucker,
Speaker 1: and that dude is money in the bank. He's their
Speaker 1: m v P this season. But if you want a
Speaker 1: second group, I would look at the young Ravens defense
Speaker 1: that as the Bengals were in this game longer than
Speaker 1: they should have been down the stretch. Andy Dalton's final
Speaker 1: nine attempts on on drives that could have taken this
Speaker 1: game somewhere else. Four of the nine attempts tipped, they striped,
Speaker 1: sacked in three times. He's playing behind yet another bad
Speaker 1: offensive line that we've discussed today, and you remove you
Speaker 1: know Dave Damashek's young Jenga theory that you take one
Speaker 1: player away and the team crumbles. A j Green fits
Speaker 1: that as well as most non quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: I mean, their offense has no downfield element. It's another
Speaker 1: game where Jeremy Hill twelve attempts for twenty one yards.
Speaker 1: They didn't get the ground game going until Rex Burkehead
Speaker 1: came in in the second half. He kind of actually
Speaker 1: gave them a little bit of life for a stretch.
Speaker 1: But this offense, I mean, bring back Trent Richardson for
Speaker 1: the Bengals, I mean, I mean bring him back to
Speaker 1: Cincinnati for the first time. I would say why not
Speaker 1: at this point, it's the Bengals are exactly They're what
Speaker 1: the record is right now. It's not deceptive. And the Ravens,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we'll see how they a
Speaker 1: f C. North finishes up. But their defense is when
Speaker 1: you were mentioning the Jenga piece, I thought you were
Speaker 1: talking about Justin Tucker and the Ravens because in a
Speaker 1: sloppy division, Oh he would be too. He absolutely is
Speaker 1: a weapon that could division the thing to say, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if you mentioning what it was, but
Speaker 1: it was fifty seven yards and it was like, you see,
Speaker 1: you're seeing other kickers mentally fizzle week after week. By
Speaker 1: the way, Mike Nugent missed his third extra point in
Speaker 1: two games today and that that hurts Cincinnati. But Tucker
Speaker 1: comes out there and he knows he's gonna hit it.
Speaker 1: Guys got flamboyant. He doesn't lack for confidence. He said
Speaker 1: after the game that he believed that he could have
Speaker 1: hit a seventy five yard field goal. And I usually,
Speaker 1: you know, don't do this, but because it's justin Tucker's
Speaker 1: special day. This is how he opened his press conference
Speaker 1: after the game. You gotta smell it smells like up
Speaker 1: dog nothing much, man, Yeah, it's a bit. Guy's got
Speaker 1: bitsam bit. He's flying high and he's got bits. The
Speaker 1: kicking is better than the post game. He must be
Speaker 1: some type of like dude behind the scenes, because when
Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs is with the media and they asked him to,
Speaker 1: you know, assess Tucker's performed, He's like, oh man, Like
Speaker 1: he didn't even want to say anything. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta keep this guy under controls to say, can
Speaker 1: you imagine what's going on with Dustin Tucker. NFL kickers
Speaker 1: are like Major League Baseball closers. As a general role,
Speaker 1: they're incredibly overvalued, but the ones who are money are priceless.
Speaker 1: And just imagine what the Vikings record would be if
Speaker 1: they had Justin Tucker right now, right, I mean the
Speaker 1: the Ravens especially, I mean you call them a touchdown
Speaker 1: a verse offense, which is not an adjective you want
Speaker 1: to describe your offense, but it's apt. This offense is
Speaker 1: set up to to kick fifty five yard field goals.
Speaker 1: That is their eyes. Okay, let's get to the thirty
Speaker 1: five or so. That's about all we're gonna get to.
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker has kicked fourteen extra points the entire season.
Speaker 1: Look at the quarterback. Do you know the company Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco is keeping it's most most consecutive games pass a
Speaker 1: ready over one hundred, Blake Bortles, brockos Swiler, Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco has the fewest tighter under one hundred passer rating.
Speaker 1: He's tied for the fewest touchdown passes of any quarterback
Speaker 1: who started every game this season. Mark remember after Super
Speaker 1: Bowl when Flack played out of his mind for a
Speaker 1: month and won the Super Bowl single handedly. We went
Speaker 1: to the locker room and Steve Baschatti, the Ravens owner,
Speaker 1: was sitting a C. C A C. Slater style on
Speaker 1: a chair backwards with um a big cigar sticking out
Speaker 1: of his mouth, just staring ahead with a grin on
Speaker 1: his face, but wasn't saying anything. I remember reporters going
Speaker 1: up to him and he just didn't even like acknowledge him,
Speaker 1: and people just walked away. I wonder if now, looking back,
Speaker 1: he was actually thinking to himself, oh, my god, I
Speaker 1: should have paid joe Flacco before the season started, because
Speaker 1: this contract is looking worse and worse by the year.
Speaker 1: And everybody loves Joey Flacco down in Baltimore. I get it,
Speaker 1: he's forever a hero, But my god, he's getting paid
Speaker 1: a lot of money to be a mediocre passer. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's entirely on Flacco, but it is
Speaker 1: interesting to see him kind of come back to the
Speaker 1: pack so viciously after being a different quarterback for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Does that contract look as bad as
Speaker 1: some of the others at this point and have to
Speaker 1: see where we are with me. Was he ever? I mean,
Speaker 1: did we I mean he was outrageous when it happened,
Speaker 1: but it was quickly like he was. He's been at
Speaker 1: the top of getting paid. But I mean the cost
Speaker 1: of doing business when it's one of the great contracts.
Speaker 1: But it's one of the great contract pushes ever. I
Speaker 1: think it's the best. Yeah, I gotta be there. This
Speaker 1: this a f C North. You never know. One of
Speaker 1: these teams could still be in the wildcard mix. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a lock right now that that the
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Steelers couldn't go to the playoffs. It's possible. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked, We asked Baltimore to go and shut down
Speaker 1: the Cowboys if we wanted to take their defense absolutely
Speaker 1: for real. I need to see them do that again
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh's flying, well, they this division will
Speaker 1: probably come down to Week six team when the two
Speaker 1: teams match up in Pittsburgh. But an already stout defense
Speaker 1: like the Ravens, it's hard to overstate that they get
Speaker 1: a guy like Elvis Doomerville back in Week twelve and
Speaker 1: he makes the play of the game to end the game.
Speaker 1: I mean he and sucks. Looks like it was four
Speaker 1: seasons ago. They were both playing great. They're playing without
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith too, so that's two of their best players.
Speaker 1: If you're getting better late in the season. Mark who
Speaker 1: was the opponent of the Baltimore Ravens and Super Bowl
Speaker 1: thirty five, The New York Giants, the Giant I Lights Sydney.
Speaker 1: Why would that make anyone upset you with that? You're
Speaker 1: getting money? You got new money over there. Listen, I
Speaker 1: you just you got excited. One new nickname, new money,
Speaker 1: new money. I love it new money, all right? Can
Speaker 1: we hear the Giant highlight? Thanks? Drop straight back in
Speaker 1: the pocket, gets hit ball, comes up, getter shifted, picked
Speaker 1: off on the fly, Jason Pierre Paul's got it to
Speaker 1: the ten five touchdown Giants, McCown got hit football floored
Speaker 1: in the air and JP pace course his third career touchdown.
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul had the play to put the game away,
Speaker 1: and Eli Manning and Odell Beckham connected for two touchdowns
Speaker 1: to lift the New York Giants to win over the
Speaker 1: still winless Cleveland Browns. M the pick of the three
Speaker 1: of us in this room to go with the Browns
Speaker 1: did not work out. Mark. The Giants are now eight
Speaker 1: and three, six game winning streak, in a great position
Speaker 1: to get back to the playoffs. Great position. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was fourteen to six New York when that Jason Pierre
Speaker 1: Paul picks six happened, and yes, that ended the game.
Speaker 1: But the same d n A that's haunted Cleveland for
Speaker 1: the last month plus, if not all year long, but
Speaker 1: which has been intensively was present again, and that was
Speaker 1: Josh McCown getting sacks seven times, him getting pounded back there.
Speaker 1: Their run game cannot do anything again. Isaiah Crowe l
Speaker 1: should not be starting at this point. I don't know
Speaker 1: who should be, but he should not. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: he's Duke Johnson deserves a bigger opportunity, and I would
Speaker 1: look more that when you're the Giants, and this was
Speaker 1: not a great Giants performance. This is you can talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that they are a mid level team
Speaker 1: eight and three records aside, but you go into Cleveland
Speaker 1: and when you have Odell Beckham, and you've got a
Speaker 1: young rookie like Sterling Shepherd, and you've got even crews
Speaker 1: who made a play today, and you've got an active
Speaker 1: pass rush. There's nothing from Cleveland's side to stop you,
Speaker 1: to to usurp you. There's no star power to match
Speaker 1: against it. You've got Joe Hayden, who calls himself the
Speaker 1: best cornerback and football right now, and he's talented. He's
Speaker 1: not even close to that, and he knows it, and
Speaker 1: he They had to come up with effective, disguising secondary
Speaker 1: coverage to try to stop Beckham and the rest of them,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. You're you don't have the depth,
Speaker 1: you don't have the power and the ability to shut
Speaker 1: down anyone in the league right now, anyone. And it's
Speaker 1: catching up, uh and starting to really weigh on Hugh Jackson,
Speaker 1: who understands the history of play here now at oh
Speaker 1: and twelve. Here's what Jackson had to say after the
Speaker 1: game as he um held back tears. Being on twelve
Speaker 1: is is probably the hardest thing ever spent a long
Speaker 1: twelve weeks. You know, it's been a long twelve weeks,
Speaker 1: and unfortunate for the men in that room over there,
Speaker 1: we haven't been in we get him a win yet.
Speaker 1: Press conference had started twenty or thirty minutes late. The
Speaker 1: Browns are in serious danger of out sixteens. They are.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Giants, who have spent the last
Speaker 1: three week is playing patty cake. With the Bengals, Browns,
Speaker 1: and Bears doing their job. Winter is coming for the Giants.
Speaker 1: Look at this schedule. This is a team that is
Speaker 1: five and one when they have three thirty yards or
Speaker 1: fewer on offense. They were out game today, by the way,
Speaker 1: by the Browns. The rest of the NFL has a
Speaker 1: winning percentage. The Giants have an eight thirty three winning
Speaker 1: percentage when they have three hundred yards or fewer. Thirty
Speaker 1: yards are fewer on offense. Chickens are coming home to roost.
Speaker 1: Here's their schedule next three weeks. They play a first
Speaker 1: place team in all three of those weeks at Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: versus Dallas, at Detroit. Final two weeks divisional roadue games
Speaker 1: at Philly and at Washingtons. Okay, so they'll be tested.
Speaker 1: They'll anything that Giants fans want to say to us
Speaker 1: that they're not getting enough respect or anything. This team
Speaker 1: is going to get a chance to prove it. Because
Speaker 1: even just winning like the Bucks three of those last
Speaker 1: five games, you're gonna be good. And if you want
Speaker 1: to make the case for the Giants. It's that the
Speaker 1: defense is not just good, but it's getting better right now.
Speaker 1: JPP if better every week. JPP is taking over games.
Speaker 1: I thought he was the best player on the field
Speaker 1: last week in the game and just looking at the
Speaker 1: box score, three tackles for last three sacks, you know,
Speaker 1: the touchdown. It sounds like the best player on the
Speaker 1: field this week. And now they're getting Olivia. Vernon's coming
Speaker 1: around too, and so the the defense, it can try
Speaker 1: to win games, but on its own yea. And if
Speaker 1: you go one and two over those next three weeks,
Speaker 1: you're nine and five. I mean, the Giants have not
Speaker 1: done it in dominating fashion in the way that we
Speaker 1: would all like to see. But well that's fine, but
Speaker 1: the bottom line, look at that schedule. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: look the Steelers at Steelers tough game, but which Steelers
Speaker 1: teams shows up home at Cowboys very tough games Sunday
Speaker 1: night football. I mean, I don't think they should be
Speaker 1: scared of the lines. And they can also beat they
Speaker 1: can beat Philadelphia the week after. I mean, oh, the
Speaker 1: thing is, if you're if you want to if you
Speaker 1: want to take away your eight and three, yes, it's
Speaker 1: not been impressive, but these are the teams that make
Speaker 1: the playoffs because they carve out this kind of start.
Speaker 1: There's a there's room for them. Toe. I to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about what you said with with Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 1: We were talking before. Um, you know the game today, Mark,
Speaker 1: and I think Browns fans obviously want a win, but
Speaker 1: they're conflicted in some sense. You want to number one seed,
Speaker 1: but I think you saw with you tears. Tears were
Speaker 1: in his eyes. I went back and watched that. It
Speaker 1: was pretty emotional, and he was late to the press comers.
Speaker 1: You know, it's weighing on Hugh Jackson, and it's weighing
Speaker 1: on I'm sure Sashi Brown and everyone in that front office,
Speaker 1: and it's weighing on the players. So there's no there's
Speaker 1: no conflict in their heart or their minds, and they're
Speaker 1: out there fighting every week. And I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: have this buy to really think about it because they
Speaker 1: do not want this being stuck on them. It's a
Speaker 1: big deal to be a winless team and and they
Speaker 1: are feeling at this point it would mean the world
Speaker 1: to them to get one win. I think they will
Speaker 1: get a win. Um. I mean, I didn't see it
Speaker 1: coming against the Giants this week, but there's a chance
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati it'll It'll happen in somewhere, but ventually. But
Speaker 1: I don't think we, any of us could understand the
Speaker 1: wait on you when you put eighty hours a week
Speaker 1: and you're the figurehead of the organization and this happens
Speaker 1: week after week. It's easy. A one in fifteen season
Speaker 1: is quickly forgotten, but in oh in sixteen season is historical,
Speaker 1: and so I think the key is you got to
Speaker 1: do everything you can to um before we move on.
Speaker 1: Let's let's pause now. And there were three games on
Speaker 1: Thursday night, Thanksgiving here in the United States, so I
Speaker 1: thought this would be a perfect time to bring back
Speaker 1: our old favorite song West. What is it called five o'clock,
Speaker 1: eight o'clock the lights sunshine? I think it's eight o'clock
Speaker 1: to sid Can you help us with that light? All right,
Speaker 1: I'll get going two minute drill here, everybody with the
Speaker 1: takeaway from the games. I'll start with the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys now at ten and one and in
Speaker 1: very good position to claim home field advantage throughout the
Speaker 1: NFC playoffs. I think if they at that number one seed,
Speaker 1: they're going. They're going to Houston because what we saw
Speaker 1: on Thursday was a perfect summation of how they are
Speaker 1: almost impossible to beat in their building. Every time Washington
Speaker 1: came back, the Dallas Cowboys running right back at them
Speaker 1: with their their embarrassment of riches on offense. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to the super Bowl if they take the
Speaker 1: number one seed. Who's they got the number one seed?
Speaker 1: That's over at this point with this Seattle lost their
Speaker 1: two and a half. They're not losing three of their
Speaker 1: next five games. That's what they have to take. And
Speaker 1: you're right, the Redskins played in almost perfect game offensively. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many takeaways the weekends we're having
Speaker 1: a conversation. We got two minutes. One team that Cowboys
Speaker 1: won't be didn't see the emails, Apparently one team that
Speaker 1: Dallas will not play in the playoffs this Minnesota, If, if,
Speaker 1: if the gods, the football gods want to do this correctly.
Speaker 1: The entire NFC East deserves the playoffs more than the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings right now. They are. They had a chance
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving to rest away that division and they couldn't
Speaker 1: get it done. Bye bye. You don't want the VI.
Speaker 1: You're giving up on them not The kids aren't dead.
Speaker 1: There's a difference between I have no effect on them,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on them. They are not a
Speaker 1: playoff team from what I'm watching on time. By the way,
Speaker 1: said run the song one more time. Wes, you're up
Speaker 1: said last week that Andrew Luck wasn't playing, you would
Speaker 1: see what kind of tire fire the Colts are. That
Speaker 1: That's exactly what they were, dropping passes, offensive line, not
Speaker 1: blocking a physically overmatched quarterback who has no instincts for
Speaker 1: running the ball whatsoever. Uh, and the Colts they're not
Speaker 1: a playoff team either. The Titans are the team to
Speaker 1: beat in the UFC South. That seems fair. Greg. Back
Speaker 1: to you, baby, the wheel turns and it's on Rosie.
Speaker 1: I love that the Lions offense essentially counts on Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford to make crazy plays and to win games at
Speaker 1: the end, and then he just doesn't. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: I love it. I can't believe it. Let's check out
Speaker 1: the other New York team. Tom Brady just got the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Let's put forward waiting on the staff
Speaker 1: short motion by Edelman left shotguns after pratty. He's looking left,
Speaker 1: he's strolling towards Mitchell. How's the catch inside the look
Speaker 1: polon touchdown henly for the Patriots. Oh man, what a throne, Bob?
Speaker 1: So she is that you always asked me. I've never
Speaker 1: heard w b with the call? Uh, Malcolm Mitchell with
Speaker 1: the game winner beating Yeah, you guessed that Darrell Reevus
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter to lift the Patriots to
Speaker 1: a two to seventeen win over the New York Jets
Speaker 1: at the Meadow Lands. Cue the throne of ease because
Speaker 1: the Pats did not play well in this game. Uh,
Speaker 1: and still found a way. That's what good teams do.
Speaker 1: Just our bed team New York jumped out to attend
Speaker 1: nothing lead in this one and how to lead in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, but showed no ability to close the
Speaker 1: game out on either side of the ball when it
Speaker 1: mattered most and Um focus on the paths here. Rob
Speaker 1: Gronkowski exited this game early, believe in the first quarter
Speaker 1: with a back injury. And I think I saw your boy,
Speaker 1: Florio greg Um on Sunday Night Football the pregame show
Speaker 1: report that the Patriots were confident. Uh, he didn't say
Speaker 1: the Patriots were confident, but he he said, uh, Rob
Speaker 1: gronkowsk at this point or is expected to play next Okay.
Speaker 1: Then Seth Walder of the New York Delhi News tweeted
Speaker 1: that he saw Gronk exiting the meadow lands and he
Speaker 1: he could barely walk and he was, you know, he
Speaker 1: needed help to kind of get down steps or something
Speaker 1: along those lines. So obviously he was whatever that injury is.
Speaker 1: He was not feeling well after the game. Uh, And
Speaker 1: you really start to wonder, um with Gronk, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the best tight endeavor potentially, but is
Speaker 1: this gonna be the part of the Gronk dialogue going further?
Speaker 1: Where is his body gonna eventually betray him? Just the
Speaker 1: way he plays the game, the size, the amount of abuse.
Speaker 1: You get a little worried where it is, Pats. It's
Speaker 1: been part of the equation the whole time, and since
Speaker 1: he was twenty one year old entering the draft and
Speaker 1: in the back injury. It's concerning because that's are car
Speaker 1: one that you know, that's one that you know. I
Speaker 1: think they're playing it safe today. Who knows, There's no
Speaker 1: way to really know. Martellis Bennett also gets hurt in
Speaker 1: this game, and just as importantly, you know Tom Brady
Speaker 1: wasn't healthy UH this week. He doesn't want to miss
Speaker 1: two practices. He was technically a game time decision, and
Speaker 1: he played his worst game of the season. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a I don't know what reason there was
Speaker 1: for that. But he missed a lot of throws that
Speaker 1: he hasn't been missing earlier in the year, average less
Speaker 1: than six yards per tempt. UH. Did throw two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: including that game winner, and made some big throws down
Speaker 1: the stretch. That's what you expect from Brady, but this
Speaker 1: was throwing fifty passes in less than three hundred yards.
Speaker 1: That's not that Tom Brady were used to. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan, I have to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Watching and this is not the first week this has happened,
Speaker 1: but Torrell vas just victimized. Does he play again? I
Speaker 1: don't think a prideful player, he's not gonna want to
Speaker 1: think this is last season. I think the money goes
Speaker 1: to I think that you've all moved to safety. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Jets. My feeling my my guests at
Speaker 1: this point is that the Jets are really upset about
Speaker 1: the season on a number of levels, and effort levels
Speaker 1: a part of it. And I think the idea that
Speaker 1: he's just gonna take a pay cut and they're gonna
Speaker 1: move to safety, I think there's a lot of wiggle
Speaker 1: on both sides that that's that's the hugest playing inside
Speaker 1: Sometimes this season, I feel like a lack of passion
Speaker 1: this season. You've you've seen that reported. I thought it
Speaker 1: was very telling that Mike mccagnant in his State of
Speaker 1: the Organization press conference last week during the bye week
Speaker 1: did not go out of his way to defend Reeves
Speaker 1: on comments about his effort level and what type of
Speaker 1: season he was having. I think Reeves has done as
Speaker 1: a jet and maybe outright we'll have to see about that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he got beat routinely in this game, and
Speaker 1: and in the big drive of the game too, it
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, let's go Mitchell on Reeves. That's a matchup,
Speaker 1: and frankly, for then Edelman beat him for yes, And frankly,
Speaker 1: I thought there was a flaw on the Patriots game
Speaker 1: plan that they didn't go after more because it's gotten
Speaker 1: to the point where Reeves is not just uh, not
Speaker 1: a strength anymore. On the Jetsy's and outright liability and
Speaker 1: other teams um have taken advantage of it all year.
Speaker 1: But uh, one last note before we throw it to
Speaker 1: keith On on this game, and I couldn't believe when
Speaker 1: I saw it. Lagarrett Blunt his first or second carry
Speaker 1: in the game, I think was the first play of
Speaker 1: the past second possession And if you check out end
Speaker 1: around you'll see this um. They ran a played where
Speaker 1: la Garrett Blunt went one way, then doubled back and
Speaker 1: went to the opposite side of the field with Brady
Speaker 1: all of a sudden lumbering in as a lead blocker.
Speaker 1: And it's one of the most unreal things because he
Speaker 1: goes straight through a crowd and every Jet player goes
Speaker 1: out of their way not to to touch Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: And when I tweeted out a vine of this um,
Speaker 1: some of the vitriol, I mean, this is an unhappy
Speaker 1: Jets fan base about what that said about that this
Speaker 1: Jets team and and your opportunity to lay a clean
Speaker 1: hit on Tom Brady and and perhaps Chris Westling. It
Speaker 1: was more like a Joe Namath nineteen seventy four active respect,
Speaker 1: But I don't know how you how you let that
Speaker 1: opportunity pass. You kind of put uh Brady on his asset.
Speaker 1: Says a lot about this Jets team this year. To me,
Speaker 1: I would have to look at the play closer. It
Speaker 1: seemed to me that he did a good job of
Speaker 1: just avoiding contact on his own. It was some Jedi
Speaker 1: mind trick stuff. If if if that's what he was trying
Speaker 1: to do, He's just he's not moving too well. He
Speaker 1: you know, one guy said it was like Tom Brady
Speaker 1: was running on still somebody on Twitter over a fault line,
Speaker 1: uh or something along those lines. Well, in the first
Speaker 1: time all year, pointing to the knee injury, the slight
Speaker 1: regression did look like it took hold as far as
Speaker 1: his pocket movement went. He couldn't escape pressure and the
Speaker 1: Jets were pushing him off his spot early in the game.
Speaker 1: The Jets always play well against Brady, especially at home.
Speaker 1: It's been that way since Rex got to town. Uh.
Speaker 1: This my only the slight low regression. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: celebrate because the Jets lost obviously, and he made Brady
Speaker 1: made some big throws down the stretch. But again, this
Speaker 1: does this is kind of part of what I was
Speaker 1: getting out in my prediction that looks like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be wrong. But Uh, if you couldn't get some consistent
Speaker 1: pressure on him, and he's if he's not moving well,
Speaker 1: and part of being thirty nine years old, as you
Speaker 1: might have an might have injuries that you can't heal from.
Speaker 1: Is he vulnerable against a big pass rush? Well, but
Speaker 1: you essentially need him to be hurt for this regression,
Speaker 1: which is what happens when nine years old just together,
Speaker 1: you know. Anyway, Let's see what Keith had to say
Speaker 1: after another brutal Jets lost now three and eight in
Speaker 1: the last season. His name is Key, He's dadda. You'll
Speaker 1: doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. What is
Speaker 1: he going to say? Game to say? What is he
Speaker 1: going to game to say? Jets wall of three and eight?
Speaker 1: And once again the Jets have perfected the art of losing. Uh.
Speaker 1: The game that I thought that he could have won,
Speaker 1: it's just needing. When the defense had to make the
Speaker 1: big play or the offense had to step up and
Speaker 1: make a big play, they both failed. So it was
Speaker 1: just another laws for the Jets. I thought we was
Speaker 1: uh in a couple of big plays. UH was shown
Speaker 1: up once again at a quarter position. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with that seventeen millions making this year,
Speaker 1: but let's see what happens. Disappointing game, Uh, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that they played the Stage three stuff by we
Speaker 1: might have. By the way, Uh, Keith Hans is in
Speaker 1: studio next week. You have to play on Monday night,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't work out, but it might be behind
Speaker 1: the glass. Maybe we can talk to him a bit.
Speaker 1: Disappointing game, by the way, for the Patriots, I mean
Speaker 1: there they are the masters of saying it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: until Thanksgiving. You wanna you know that? I think that
Speaker 1: comes from Parcels and Belichick. That's where France Hessa really
Speaker 1: I think I think gets it. And they're playing worse
Speaker 1: right now. You know, they had their first QB hit
Speaker 1: of the season of the of the game was the
Speaker 1: sack fumble by Chris Long, which is a big time
Speaker 1: play to win the game. Uh. It's great that Brady
Speaker 1: put together a game winning drive. They hadn't really been
Speaker 1: in that position except for the Seattle game all year
Speaker 1: any and he delivered. But they're they're playing worse. You
Speaker 1: concerned about five weeks ago, you guys are saying the
Speaker 1: season's over there in the Super Bowl. Hold why, I
Speaker 1: mean you're coming off a win actually after a Patriots
Speaker 1: win that was too close for comfort. Well, it's got
Speaker 1: to be the final question. Are you concerned about their
Speaker 1: ceiling versus where you were a month ago? Oh? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're playing great. I mean I think
Speaker 1: it could change, but the last four three or four
Speaker 1: weeks they're not like you gotta come up with. They
Speaker 1: obviously can have C teams that are consistently better than
Speaker 1: them for us to be really though, what's going on
Speaker 1: with Dincon dunk offense without Gronk and Martell? Has Bennett
Speaker 1: aggravated his ankle injury today? They didn't have a play
Speaker 1: over twenty yards in the middle of the four. Defense
Speaker 1: has been pretty bad all year. And just because you
Speaker 1: play the forty Niners and Jets and you have their
Speaker 1: in the in the rams and now if the offense
Speaker 1: comes back to the back, I'm just saying they're not.
Speaker 1: Are they're playing their worst football? Now? Are they a
Speaker 1: better team than the Raiders? Yes? Yeah, Raiders got Magic Boys.
Speaker 1: I think they're I think all those teams are close.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's continue our tour through the a f
Speaker 1: C East and take a look at the second place team.
Speaker 1: Kaepernick takes the snap looking stompach. He's gonna try to
Speaker 1: run for it, not on the far side. Pump Bakes dives.
Speaker 1: He's tackled just short let the goal line and by
Speaker 1: a yard. The Biami Dolphins having on and win. Kaepernick's
Speaker 1: all open green and he thought he had the right
Speaker 1: side of the end zone, but the Dolphins squeezed him
Speaker 1: in that final yard and stopped him. Nice called by
Speaker 1: Ted Robinson k n BR con. Kaepernick's final second scramble
Speaker 1: came up just short. In the Miami Dolphins ran off
Speaker 1: the field with a thirty one win. I think that's
Speaker 1: their sixth straight victor. Crazy, um, Greg, The Dolphins came
Speaker 1: dangerously close to letting this one slip away. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be handed out lollipops holding off the
Speaker 1: Niners at home. But they have to be feeling good
Speaker 1: about their playoff chances after all these victories. They have
Speaker 1: not lost in months and and for the second time
Speaker 1: in three weeks. Ryan Tannehill was a huge reason why
Speaker 1: they won, and probably more than any game this year,
Speaker 1: they needed him to make good throws down the field.
Speaker 1: I know it's against the forty niners, but if you're
Speaker 1: throwing the ball thirty five yards into tight coverage, it's
Speaker 1: still a tough throw. And he made a lot of
Speaker 1: good throws, and man is he fast. There was a
Speaker 1: couple of plays as a runner that were key, where
Speaker 1: the pressures coming after him and they just could not
Speaker 1: get him to the ground. On a day when Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick ran for over a hundred yards and reminded everyone
Speaker 1: what a monster is he is as a fantasy quarterback,
Speaker 1: Tannehill can run two and he was the better quarterback
Speaker 1: ultimately in the game. I think when their winning streaks started,
Speaker 1: we all looked at Jaji and said, hey, that gives
Speaker 1: them an identity. Finally they've got something to hang their
Speaker 1: hat on. And now the last three weeks, you look
Speaker 1: at Tannehill and you say, three weeks ago, that was
Speaker 1: his toughest performance of his career against the charge, was
Speaker 1: taking big hits last week, the best fourth quarter comeback
Speaker 1: of his career with the game on the line in
Speaker 1: this week, one of his best passing games. You're seeing
Speaker 1: the progress we've been asking for for four years now.
Speaker 1: Nine point five yards per attempt from a quarterback that
Speaker 1: the narrative has always been, he's challenged deep, he doesn't
Speaker 1: show chemistry with whoever his wide receivers are. And are
Speaker 1: we are we willing to look at Adam Gaze now
Speaker 1: and finally give him some credit or has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with Adham Gaze. I think let's wait till the
Speaker 1: end of the season. It's he's obviously done a great
Speaker 1: job in season just coaching this team in terms of
Speaker 1: Tannehill and in quarterback guru, I think let's have it
Speaker 1: play out. But this is this is not great for
Speaker 1: they were I wouldn't say they were. They ultimately outplayed
Speaker 1: the forty Niners by much. It was it was a
Speaker 1: close game where the forty Niners ended the game on
Speaker 1: the two yard line. They fumbled the ball in the
Speaker 1: red zone selected and they had a tipped interception which was,
Speaker 1: you know, not a little bit of luck, and that
Speaker 1: was kind of the difference. I would probably put the
Speaker 1: forty Niners ahead of the Browns now in terms of
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the worst teams, because they're they're
Speaker 1: playing teams tight. Three weeks a row against some pretty
Speaker 1: good competition doesn't mean much because they're still losing every week.
Speaker 1: But um, that's what that's what I feel about that.
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to say now that and
Speaker 1: you know, me and handsome handcuff beef over this Dolphins
Speaker 1: team and I'm not you know whatever, But this is
Speaker 1: where now we're gonna see. Is this Dolphins team a
Speaker 1: different Dolphins team or are they the same old Dolphins?
Speaker 1: You got your Niners win at home. You're flying at
Speaker 1: seven and four. Now you go, Now, here's a tough
Speaker 1: game at Baltimore next week. Not a not a killer game,
Speaker 1: tough game if you're a different Dolphins team. Uh, do
Speaker 1: you win this game in December? After that you host
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, a down trodden Cardinals team this year. Do
Speaker 1: you take care of business at home? Then you go
Speaker 1: out to the meadow Lands and rich Stadium or whatever
Speaker 1: it's called now after that before ending your season at home?
Speaker 1: So many Dolphins seasons lost in December. Now we see
Speaker 1: if they're the real deal. I'm not convinced just yet.
Speaker 1: Suddenly the a f C has ten teams with six
Speaker 1: wins or more. So it's a it's a deep field
Speaker 1: that could go a lot of different ways. Even at
Speaker 1: seven and four, it's not like the Dolphins are in
Speaker 1: great shape. Can I ask one question about the Niners?
Speaker 1: Will fast if you're Chip Kelly and you're hepped for
Speaker 1: next season or or you choose to stay. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure all those things are definitively true. Um, but and
Speaker 1: let's say of the fourth, third, second, third, fourth pick
Speaker 1: in the draft somehow, is there any scenario where you
Speaker 1: keep Colin Kaepernick and don't decide to take another quarterback
Speaker 1: very high? I think it's way too early. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't follow the college game close enough to have
Speaker 1: a beat on any of these quarterbacks. But I think
Speaker 1: it's way too early until you know what their scouts
Speaker 1: think about the quarterback. I mean, in a season where
Speaker 1: the Browns and the forty Niners and teams like the
Speaker 1: Jets need quarterback, the Bears, Uh, we're not hearing good
Speaker 1: reports on this Qblet's know it's we're hearing bad reports
Speaker 1: almost exclusively. I'm just saying to you, I wonder if
Speaker 1: more of the question is, is Colin Kaepernick done anything
Speaker 1: to say I am the guy going forward? I've changed
Speaker 1: your mind about me? I don't think so, even though
Speaker 1: he's a monster in fantasy leagues. He's been up and down,
Speaker 1: He's shown some things. He's obviously talented and he fits
Speaker 1: Chip Chip Kelly does. But maybe he's a good guy
Speaker 1: to have there to be with a rookie quarterbacker to compete.
Speaker 1: I think he's shown that, but not where you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: let's just stay away from well. I'd certainly hope no
Speaker 1: coaches keeping anyone based on their fantasy numbers. That. Let's
Speaker 1: complete our look at the AFC East with one of
Speaker 1: the more fun games of the day. First down bills
Speaker 1: from their own twenty five yard line. The snap and
Speaker 1: the GiB goes to McCoy cuts to the right. Now
Speaker 1: with the middle shitty on the right at the forty
Speaker 1: out the midfield. What was the ball with his head
Speaker 1: at the tchech about forty touch? Touch, touch, Dowey. That's sad.
Speaker 1: I like that one a lot. I love when the
Speaker 1: passion overwhelms a man doing his job. Why not in
Speaker 1: the broadcast booth with football game, Let's let's just put
Speaker 1: that on the list. And I'm not saying it's gonna
Speaker 1: be in the top ten at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: It was John Murphy w g R. Anyway, the Bills.
Speaker 1: Uh came into this game leading the NFL uh in
Speaker 1: rushing yards per game. And uh, you know then Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy took one to the house early in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: seventy five yards, and I that was a big play
Speaker 1: in one win for the Bills over the Jaguars. And
Speaker 1: you know, this was a game. I thought that the
Speaker 1: turning point of this game, guys was the Bills were
Speaker 1: getting booed uh at I believe it his new era stadium. Uh.
Speaker 1: Late in the second quarter, four minutes to play, they're
Speaker 1: being blanked by Jacksonville. Uh. They're down seven nothing and
Speaker 1: on fourth and less than a yard um in field
Speaker 1: goal range. Rex sends out Dan Carpenter with less than
Speaker 1: two minutes of play and then thinks better of it
Speaker 1: and takes Carpenter off the field, sends Um the offense
Speaker 1: back on the field. Two plays later there in the
Speaker 1: end zone, and then over the next nine plays from scrimmage,
Speaker 1: they had scored three touchdowns. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: a nice bit of onion hanging by Rex. Nest if
Speaker 1: he would have kicked the field goal, I thought that
Speaker 1: would have been gutless. Uh. He he thought better of it,
Speaker 1: and I thought the Bill's offense rewarded rewarded him in
Speaker 1: this game. Uh and uh, that was a big difference
Speaker 1: in the game for me. Nice taf Sammy Watkins back
Speaker 1: three targets, three catches, eight yard and that's half their
Speaker 1: passing yards. A beautiful deep ball from Tyrod Taylor, who
Speaker 1: played really well. When we look back at this season,
Speaker 1: to me, one of the guys that really stands out
Speaker 1: for me is Tyrod Taylor. I know he's not the
Speaker 1: perfect quarterback, but I really do think that he is
Speaker 1: the answer for the Bills. That that's something I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily believe in entering this season. He makes so many plays.
Speaker 1: He can make throws. He'll miss throws occasionally. You see
Speaker 1: that every week. But he's also in terms of mobility,
Speaker 1: I think he's the best. He had a touchdown running
Speaker 1: this game where he basically with with pressure all around him,
Speaker 1: sidestepped a couple of guys and then darted into the
Speaker 1: end zone. I don't know how many guys healthy, Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and maybe a couple others, but I thought he
Speaker 1: played really well in this game. Um and Shady McCoy
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. Teams dangerous, very dangerous. I don't think any
Speaker 1: and a f C contender wants to see the Bills
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. With Sammy Watkins back, Tyrod Taylor is
Speaker 1: playing better than his passing numbers, which suggests Lashawn McCoy
Speaker 1: is having an all Pro year or at least a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Darius is starting to make plays for them.
Speaker 1: They've got their schedule, They're six and five, they go
Speaker 1: to Oakland, then they have three home games and they
Speaker 1: play pretty well at home, and they close at the Jets.
Speaker 1: Who could be starting Bryce Petty in week seventeen. Oh,
Speaker 1: that would be sweet justice. If the Jets going nowhere
Speaker 1: knocked out Rex in week seventeen after it happened the
Speaker 1: other one around last season. We'll see if it comes
Speaker 1: to me low Watted's justice. That is, that's not a
Speaker 1: lot for a Jets fan to take away front of
Speaker 1: this movie. I understand. I mean, it's I I hear
Speaker 1: you should know more than anyone marks you just take
Speaker 1: your victories where you could happen. I mean, it's I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. We don't need to go down
Speaker 1: that wormhole right now, but it sounds like a bad
Speaker 1: Buddy Cup movie. Justice. What can I ask you quit.
Speaker 1: You you watch this one Lashawn McCoy, I mean, you
Speaker 1: take away the long run. He's got eighteen characters for
Speaker 1: about twenty seven yards. The my one to feeling about
Speaker 1: Lashawn mcoy is, when he's healthy, this offense is so
Speaker 1: much better and so dangerous. Were they shutting him down?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They are the NFL's um Inland Beach
Speaker 1: House franchise, of course, but I thought that they I
Speaker 1: thought they played well in this game. I thought like
Speaker 1: Bortles had some really nice moments um in this game.
Speaker 1: He actually didn't throw an interception for the first time.
Speaker 1: This isn't insane. Stad They had a touchdown drive in
Speaker 1: their first possession of the game. It was their first
Speaker 1: opening drive touchdown since Week two of last year. So
Speaker 1: that was a problem that that's obviously haunted this team,
Speaker 1: uh throughout. Bordles is tenured. But you know, I thought
Speaker 1: they played well, and they just they didn't play good
Speaker 1: enough in this game. The Bills were. Their defense has
Speaker 1: been better. It's not a great defense, but it's an
Speaker 1: average to good defense. The offense has been the issue.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mark, I would have never expected in a
Speaker 1: million years. Marquise Lee albino Tiger is quite possibly their
Speaker 1: best receiver this season. They're certainly their most consistent and
Speaker 1: been playing great. I mean, he deserves at it for it,
Speaker 1: but I would have never expected. I think he's just
Speaker 1: about leading the team. He's barely trading trailing Robinson, but
Speaker 1: he's made a lot of plays lately. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on, gentlemen. Little Tennessee Tytoons talk fourth down Barklay
Speaker 1: under pressure. Tennessee fires in the past is in com
Speaker 1: plate intended for Thompston and he could not hang on
Speaker 1: with Parrish Cox defending with all he had. Tennessee exhale
Speaker 1: Mike Keith w g f X Titans Radio. The Bears
Speaker 1: have their chances to steal one from the Titans, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't get it done. The Titans, with the help
Speaker 1: of some Chicago drops, moved to six and six after
Speaker 1: a to win. Marcus Mariota continues to play at a
Speaker 1: high level. But West, did you come away impressed by
Speaker 1: Tennessee's latest conquest? Some pressed uh until Mike mclarkey did
Speaker 1: his best. Mike McCoy impressure to play, not to who
Speaker 1: sit on the ball. Don't believe that. Matt Barkley could
Speaker 1: possibly bring his team back into the game. Titans had
Speaker 1: zero sacks against a banged up Bears offensive line. Their
Speaker 1: defense didn't play well. Their cornerbacks got picked on, and
Speaker 1: you're right, they needed drops. They needed the Bears to
Speaker 1: drop the ball like Josh Bellamy did. In the end,
Speaker 1: the Titans were the better team. They just allowed the
Speaker 1: Bears to come back into it by taking their foot
Speaker 1: off the gas pedal game and they came very close
Speaker 1: to happen. Are you considered you said you think the
Speaker 1: Titans are the favorite now in the a f C South,
Speaker 1: or you would take them well. When once Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: gets back, it's a different Colts team. I assume he
Speaker 1: will be back next game. They have no faith in
Speaker 1: the Texans whatsoever. Here here's thing, the Titans defense is
Speaker 1: worse now than the Colts defense. The Titans defense is
Speaker 1: just as bad just about as the Texans offense. On
Speaker 1: the week, they get sacks, but they don't get anyone.
Speaker 1: They give up four yards the mat Barkley anyway, any
Speaker 1: other defensive that would be frying them. And week after
Speaker 1: week we we see them give up yards and points.
Speaker 1: They have no one like Jarell Casey, Brian rack Poe
Speaker 1: and Derek right. But as a as a team, they're
Speaker 1: giving up yards, are giving up points. They're at we're
Speaker 1: talking about with these a f C South teams, which
Speaker 1: one has the most poignant weakness? Well, they all do
Speaker 1: and there it's it's really a race to see who
Speaker 1: goes into January and gets picked off big time. Mark
Speaker 1: makes a stop in at the lab. I like it.
Speaker 1: The door was open, like any other thoughts on this game, gentleman. No,
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariotta said a friend or a continue to franchise
Speaker 1: record at least two touchdowns in eight straight games. He's
Speaker 1: playing a Matt Barkley, by the way he's been in
Speaker 1: the league. It's two thousand and thirteen today. Through his
Speaker 1: first touchdown pass three of them also through two red
Speaker 1: zone interceptions cost his team the game, and Mariota has
Speaker 1: zero red zone interceptions his entire career. Like the upside
Speaker 1: of Mariotta over Matt Barkley at this point. Mariota also
Speaker 1: has a one eight tam passer rating in his last
Speaker 1: eight games. Well, the Texans uh obs should have dropped
Speaker 1: him off with him eight games. Also, he already has
Speaker 1: with promo be back soon, right, with four games to play,
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this Tim. He already has the Titans records
Speaker 1: for most touchdown passes and he says good. I'm happy
Speaker 1: for him. Just looking at at the schedule. If the
Speaker 1: Texans lose next week, which I just I just think
Speaker 1: they always are gonna lose. Although it's at Green Bay,
Speaker 1: that's not a tough game anymore, there could be. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of sensing when the Titans come back from there
Speaker 1: by a three way tie, A top the a f
Speaker 1: C South at six and six. Let's have the Jets
Speaker 1: next week, a very winnable game. Unfortunately on Monday Night football.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's over. Ye give me three and thirteen.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Texans are on the road the next two weeks,
Speaker 1: all right, Let's move on, which takes us to Sunday
Speaker 1: Night football, and what a game it was. For the
Speaker 1: fourth time in seven weeks, we go to overtime, this
Speaker 1: game between the Chiefs and Broncos in Denver, a game
Speaker 1: that Denver appeared to have in hand late in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter with an eight point lead. Trevor Simeon playing
Speaker 1: tremendously well from the second half on uh putting Denver ahead,
Speaker 1: Kansas City has one last chance. Alex Smith leads his
Speaker 1: team down the field. Uh they get a touchdown with
Speaker 1: twelve seconds to play play that was game was almost
Speaker 1: over at that point because it was a a challenge.
Speaker 1: It was originally spotted right near the goal line, but
Speaker 1: after a challenge it was ruled a touchdown. They then
Speaker 1: convert the two point conversion to go to overtime, and
Speaker 1: then in the o t they trade the two sides,
Speaker 1: trade field goals, and then take it away Mike Tarico
Speaker 1: and and excuse me, Chris Collinsworth after the Broncos attempt
Speaker 1: a sixty two yard or with Brandon McManus that gives
Speaker 1: Kansas City great field position, taken away Mike Rico and
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth thirty four yard and chips and unbelievable game winner.
Speaker 1: Kansas City. You gotta be kidding me. The only way
Speaker 1: this game could end, Holy smoked wow, what a game,
Speaker 1: Greg Insanity. So many places to start. I think you
Speaker 1: got to start with the Gary Kubiak decision to kick
Speaker 1: the field goal sixty two yards in tough conditions but
Speaker 1: not as windy at that moment. I did not mind
Speaker 1: the decision because He did not want to tie. He
Speaker 1: wanted someone he wanted to win the game. He almost
Speaker 1: looked at a tie as as just as bad as
Speaker 1: a loss. You could have gone for on fourth down,
Speaker 1: fourth and ten, that would have been the other option.
Speaker 1: He went for the kick, He went big, and it
Speaker 1: didn't work. I I would say that he should have
Speaker 1: thrown the ball there. If you're gonna go for it.
Speaker 1: They talked about the kicker saying before the game that
Speaker 1: he he was topping out at sixty yards. You're asking
Speaker 1: to make a sixty two yard or it's fourth and ten,
Speaker 1: I just I go for it, like I just I would.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go for it, unfurl the pass and
Speaker 1: go for it. Yeah. I think it's very unusual to
Speaker 1: see multiple things in a game that you've never seen before.
Speaker 1: One of them was that when they kicked the field goal,
Speaker 1: the other team already has better field position than you
Speaker 1: had when you kicked the field goal. And the other
Speaker 1: one was Tyreek Hills touchdown. I had never seen a
Speaker 1: play going into overtime or not where the guy has
Speaker 1: to bobble the ball in order for it to be
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That was insane, because if, yeah, if that
Speaker 1: if he catches it clean, the game is over. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just one of the why most wild endings. And
Speaker 1: then that the field goal, as you heard on the
Speaker 1: on the call, gets drilled off the up rights at
Speaker 1: such a velocity that it's able to stay just inside
Speaker 1: the opposite upright and it barely passed the cost just passed.
Speaker 1: You can see the shadow on the opposite upright and
Speaker 1: the the upright is shaking on the other side because
Speaker 1: it had hit the thirty four yard attempt that Santo
Speaker 1: has gotta put down the middle. But you make it,
Speaker 1: and and just one of the biggest wins for the
Speaker 1: Chiefs in a very long time to put him in
Speaker 1: great position here. Well, the thing that stands out to
Speaker 1: me in this game. We make fun of Alex Smith
Speaker 1: a lot. He doesn't go down the field. We made
Speaker 1: fun of him a few times in this game where
Speaker 1: he didn't take shots down down the field. But you
Speaker 1: know what the facts are. He gets the ball needing
Speaker 1: to score eight points against the vaunted Broncos defense in Denver,
Speaker 1: and he drives at seventy five yards for a touchdown
Speaker 1: to win the game. Then the next time he gets
Speaker 1: the ball, he's in overtime. You have to score points
Speaker 1: against the Broncos defense in overtime or the game is over.
Speaker 1: And he does it, then he gets the ball at
Speaker 1: the end there one one time out. Very good in
Speaker 1: the game management and the clock and not rushing things.
Speaker 1: And he had three chances there were basically you gotta
Speaker 1: score or else you're gonna lose, or in the last case,
Speaker 1: he tie, and he delivered every single time. That's not
Speaker 1: over praise Alex Smith. I'm just saying, but the facts
Speaker 1: also are he ran himself into some Saxon negative places
Speaker 1: throughout the game. They have fifty yards at halftime, and
Speaker 1: he didn't throw a pass over ten yards right until
Speaker 1: six and a half minutes left in the game. This
Speaker 1: is why we crap on the Chiefs all the time.
Speaker 1: They played boring football, and they were extremely lucky, as
Speaker 1: lucky as any team I've ever seen to win this
Speaker 1: foot But there was no luck in those last three drives.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I agree with. The Tyreek Hills touchdown
Speaker 1: was luck, but they made a great drive out the lab.
Speaker 1: I guess my point is the play before that, a
Speaker 1: fourth down, a situation where the Broncos are blitzing six
Speaker 1: he throws it to kill a perfect touch pass who
Speaker 1: gets out of bound. There were a lot of places
Speaker 1: where if if Smith doesn't make the play, the games over.
Speaker 1: And got to give some credit there playing his best
Speaker 1: in the biggest moment. Also, forty four attempts five point
Speaker 1: zero yards per tempt, so it was a very away
Speaker 1: the stat You can't just look at the game completely
Speaker 1: on those last couple of drives the bigger picture. But
Speaker 1: he made some big plays. What a crazy game, and
Speaker 1: so did Simmy And that's the unfortunate thing he This
Speaker 1: to me was almost typical of his season and that
Speaker 1: he played outstanding. And he's not going to get any
Speaker 1: love for it because he he was electric. People that
Speaker 1: really followed the game, well, he didn't get what he wanted,
Speaker 1: which is a win. It's amazing that we've talked already
Speaker 1: five minutes about this game. We haven't mentioned Justin Houston
Speaker 1: or von Miller. Both of them had two of the
Speaker 1: best edge rushing games all year. I think they could
Speaker 1: bind for six sacks if I'm not mistaken, which tells
Speaker 1: you quite a bit. They had seven quarterback kids and
Speaker 1: him by six sacks, uh ten tackles for each man
Speaker 1: and This was the game We've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. This was the game, kind of a breakout
Speaker 1: game on a national stage. Three touchdowns, one as a returner.
Speaker 1: To me, that's such a chief way to score nine
Speaker 1: points in the first half. You get a Justin Houston
Speaker 1: safety and a Tyreek Hill return off of a free
Speaker 1: kick after the safety to put up nine points, and
Speaker 1: then Hill had a rushing touchdown and receiving touchdown. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what he's been doing all year. Wow. So
Speaker 1: the Chiefs moved to eight and three. Le Broncos, the
Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champions, now two games behind the Raiders
Speaker 1: in the a f C West with only five games
Speaker 1: to play, so obviously a huge outcome. Uh in Denver tonight,
Speaker 1: and uh that's it for us tonight. I mean enough
Speaker 1: of that. I mean new money behind the glass, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many overtime games on Sunday night. We're just trying
Speaker 1: to get home to our families. No more, please please
Speaker 1: know more? All right, that's it. The next time you
Speaker 1: hear from us, and will be on Tuesday. Uh So
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