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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanss and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosto. What's up boys, Hey man, Hi, he's back.
Speaker 1: Good evening. You know, this is a big Sunday recap,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk a lot of football, but we
Speaker 1: gotta talk about you know, the big edition in your family, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: Harrison Bates Handsas born Wednesday, November nine, bringing some much
Speaker 1: needed life and color into the world when he came
Speaker 1: twenty one and a half inches, nine pounds nine ounces,
Speaker 1: all muscle, muscle, ways more than fat and uh, Harrison
Speaker 1: hands us uh my book. My two year old Jack
Speaker 1: already called him Harry. So Harry Hanss, Welcome to the world.
Speaker 1: How's it going between? I found in our house we
Speaker 1: had an older child, we had a second one, and
Speaker 1: the jarring reality that child number one, that all attention
Speaker 1: on the planet does not center around that person that
Speaker 1: was There was a shocking transition there. Yeah, Jack's a
Speaker 1: good boy, but a bit of a shaky start so far.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonnnna leave it there in the transition
Speaker 1: as the world has changed for him. We'll see how
Speaker 1: that plays out. But yeah, happy to be back here
Speaker 1: was the week eleven week tensee When you when you
Speaker 1: do have a baby and now you have a full family,
Speaker 1: you kind of lose grip on everything that's going on.
Speaker 1: So I didn't even know what week we're in, but
Speaker 1: I did get to enjoy again for the second straight week.
Speaker 1: I thought, some good football, especially the late games, and
Speaker 1: we you know, we're starting to get a little bit
Speaker 1: in a groove in the h the best Sunday of
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, I like it. There's been uh and
Speaker 1: I thought the and we're gonna get to it momentarily.
Speaker 1: You can make the case for the second straight week
Speaker 1: that we saw the game of the year, uh Cowboys Steelers.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to talk to me to watch that
Speaker 1: one on game pass, um anything else before we get
Speaker 1: into the game. I think that's gonna be about an
Speaker 1: hour and fourteen minutes on game pass. By the way, Chris,
Speaker 1: an issue with the two of us that the game
Speaker 1: pass productions have been they got you know, they went
Speaker 1: from about thirty two minutes a year or two ago.
Speaker 1: They're now roughly about sixty or seventy minutes each with
Speaker 1: all sorts of filler and crowd shots. And we take
Speaker 1: this to a private email exchange with the people in
Speaker 1: this building that work on that I've tried, tried. We
Speaker 1: got shut down by my voice on a larger you
Speaker 1: know format. Now we got shut down by all the
Speaker 1: Marty Scorsese wannabes who are dragging these games out to
Speaker 1: over an hour. Okay, can we move on the game
Speaker 1: pass conversation? Uh, the Around the NFL podcast, sponsored of
Speaker 1: course by Mr Flames, Economic Class in the Hague, the Netherlands,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's get going. Let's start with what went
Speaker 1: down at Heinz Field. Here we go, Runz goodbyes, touchdown,
Speaker 1: short yardage pinched in, the Dogs got out, the Costards
Speaker 1: were gonna steal along and picked her thirty two yards
Speaker 1: with nine seconds left and Dallas Lage thirty five thirty.
Speaker 1: What a sham, bradsham that is kr l D Dallas
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott took a Dak Prescott handoff and went thirty
Speaker 1: two yards to the end zone untouched with just nine
Speaker 1: seconds to play, lifting the Cowboys to a thirty five
Speaker 1: thirty win over the Steelers. Uh in one of the
Speaker 1: best games we've seen this year. And you know, oh no,
Speaker 1: right off the bat, someone trying to lock this up
Speaker 1: didn't lock. Where are we at? That was me? What
Speaker 1: was your lock? I missed it? It was like a three.
Speaker 1: It was a trifecta that you don't even need to
Speaker 1: know that my locks are entirely meaningless and should not
Speaker 1: be taking seriously. It's something about laby On Bell going
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards, Antonio Brown, all sorts of I
Speaker 1: got it right here. So Steelers win. Yeah, Bell goes
Speaker 1: over a hundred yards, he had big bend has over
Speaker 1: three um Brown four way lock les. I'd like you
Speaker 1: to take the exercise more seriously. Next week, I'd like
Speaker 1: for you to ditch the exercise. They will never be ditched.
Speaker 1: It lives forever. Lock that up anyway. The Steelers took
Speaker 1: the lead on a big Bend fake spike TV pasted
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown with forty three seconds to play, but the
Speaker 1: now eight and one Cowboys would not be denied. Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler Zeke for m v P Cowboys for the Lombardi Maron, Well,
Speaker 1: I think we've been sort of saying those things for
Speaker 1: weeks now, and this seemed like the game sitting out
Speaker 1: there in Pittsburgh that if you want to say someone
Speaker 1: can go toe for toe with the Cowboys, it would
Speaker 1: be Pittsburgh if they were playing the way they we
Speaker 1: thought we could. And the result was exactly that, an
Speaker 1: NFL high for the seven seven lead changes. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because coming out of the break, I'll make two
Speaker 1: quick points because I'm sure we all have a lot
Speaker 1: to say about this game. But the first is that
Speaker 1: coming out a halftime, I couldn't agree more with Troy
Speaker 1: Aikman that kind of talked about it being a formless
Speaker 1: game where it was close but it didn't really have
Speaker 1: an identity yet. But it absolutely was forged down the stretch,
Speaker 1: and it came from both quarterbacks, especially after Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: was taking a ton of thunderous, tediously thunderous uh hot
Speaker 1: takes on Twitter from people watching this thing. Here comes Romo.
Speaker 1: Romo should go back in the locker room and put
Speaker 1: pads on. Get you. It is a theme because I
Speaker 1: don't know what more he needs to do other than
Speaker 1: be perfect from wire to wire. He struggled a little
Speaker 1: bit in Pittsburgh, but he showed down the stretch. Twenty
Speaker 1: four points generated by the Cowboys over the last twenty
Speaker 1: plus minutes and that run, that final run by Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: you could feel it coming all game. It was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It couldn't have happened at a better time. What A
Speaker 1: what A what a hole blown up in the line
Speaker 1: there on the left side to go thirty two yards
Speaker 1: untouched and that's was obviously thinking past there. But what
Speaker 1: is showing by the entire offensive Dallas. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're thinking pass. I think they're they're the past.
Speaker 1: I think they're run blitzing. Uh, you know, they're all
Speaker 1: stacked up. It's kind of like a short yardage defense
Speaker 1: where if you can get past that first uh you
Speaker 1: know area, you're gonna go along. Ryan Shazier is the
Speaker 1: guy who I think is gonna get picked on a
Speaker 1: little bit in the defensive meeting room. He over pursued.
Speaker 1: He tried to make him play Ezekiel with the great cut.
Speaker 1: What A what a way to end that is two
Speaker 1: total yards Chris Westling and three touchdowns for Zeke also
Speaker 1: had I believe eight three yard touchdown reception well, it
Speaker 1: was a catch and run that was really the pilot
Speaker 1: for DAC early until that. Really the team really got
Speaker 1: it going late. Brace yourselves for approximately seventy four hours
Speaker 1: of zeke m v P talk on NFL Network and
Speaker 1: all other networks this week because the Dallas Cowboys dominate
Speaker 1: all hype like no other team in that they deserve it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you want to you want
Speaker 1: to throw Elliott there, I would say, this is what
Speaker 1: we meant. And a few weeks ago you want co
Speaker 1: offensive Rookies of the year, It is just as much
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott ten yards per passed today. You know these games?
Speaker 1: Why are why do we find these games with the
Speaker 1: game of the year Because every big name played well.
Speaker 1: The only person you could point to and say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe Levi on Bell didn't have the box score as
Speaker 1: a As a runner, he was fantastic on certain runs.
Speaker 1: The game flow didn't allow for him to have a
Speaker 1: huge blow up game, but he's one of the most
Speaker 1: patient runners in the league and he showed it today.
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant had his biggest game of the year. I
Speaker 1: mean big Ben finished with four and eight yards. It
Speaker 1: was no fluke, it was everything you'd ask for happened
Speaker 1: in this place, and the drive to win the game,
Speaker 1: I think showed what it's been good about Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: They blitzed them a couple of times, including one where
Speaker 1: they got a rusher free off the edge on him.
Speaker 1: He was very calm moving in the pocket, bought sometime,
Speaker 1: ends up finding Jason Witten. That's the play. I believe
Speaker 1: that they get the fifteen yard penalty. A lot of
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks in this that situation panic, or they throw
Speaker 1: it away, or they get sacked, and and he makes
Speaker 1: the right play. I think we've now reached the stage where, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, people like Skip Bayless and all those clowns
Speaker 1: are going to continue to push it as a conversation piece.
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any way that Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: exits the stunting line up unless he gets hurt. At
Speaker 1: this point, Mark don't don't even mind what people are
Speaker 1: saying on Twitter, because Jerry Jones isn't thinking that, and
Speaker 1: he said after the game, it's obvious what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do it at quarterback, and yet we still get we
Speaker 1: still get asked about it every week. I mean, the
Speaker 1: problem is, I think we all see Tony Romo as
Speaker 1: a sympathetic guy who couldn't have done more for this team.
Speaker 1: Was always sort of dealt with that perspective where he's
Speaker 1: not been the de bond, been able to do just
Speaker 1: enough to lift them over the hunt. Now you're on
Speaker 1: a team where they clearly have the chance to get
Speaker 1: there and he's been displaced. Essentially. It's crazy because we
Speaker 1: we figured we'd be talking. I mean, after Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: went on that drive to win the game without a
Speaker 1: lot of time on the clock for him either and
Speaker 1: he has a fake spike to to go ahead, I mean,
Speaker 1: that seemed like that's going to be the story that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense, which has been a little vulnerable all year,
Speaker 1: that finally came back to haunt him. Well, hark backs
Speaker 1: to a Dan Marino game that sort of ruined Dan's
Speaker 1: childhood was at the game. One nicet thing on Zeke.
Speaker 1: I know that it's a good story if they're co
Speaker 1: Rookies of the Year or whatever, but I don't think
Speaker 1: we've ever seen what Zeke elliots doing. The most o argument,
Speaker 1: arguably the most complete all around player at his position
Speaker 1: the entire league, the best team in that conference rests
Speaker 1: on what he does with his legs every single week,
Speaker 1: and he is that physical bell cow and tone center
Speaker 1: for the best team in the conference. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be the guy first place. Baltimore Ravens going
Speaker 1: into Week eleven by their lonesome. Wow, here's the solution.
Speaker 1: By the way, Mark, Um, don't watch TV, which you
Speaker 1: don't really watch anyway. Uh, and on your tweet deck,
Speaker 1: mute romo and you will not see anything about this.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty compact solution by you both following. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Check in elsewhere in the NFC East
Speaker 1: and we've not gone He's matthewies Bagle's tuck the lead. Hey,
Speaker 1: we've cut to the lead, suckers. Let me hear with
Speaker 1: that guy, merl reye. The w I P sounds like
Speaker 1: in real life, like talking at the dinner table. Probably
Speaker 1: what about all whoa you know, depending on the situation,
Speaker 1: you might get that similar call toss bayballs nice. I
Speaker 1: like that anyway, So welcome back Ryan Matthews, the forgotten
Speaker 1: tailback rush for a hundred nineteen yards and two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: including when you heard there that put the Eagles ahead
Speaker 1: for good and ah, what was a fifteen win over
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. Chris Westling the Eagles played keep away
Speaker 1: from the Atlanta offense on Sunday and it worked. Do
Speaker 1: you expect more teams to follow suit? Yes? And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of coaching stuff would have gone into
Speaker 1: this game and said, we can pick on a Falcon
Speaker 1: secondary that has already given up more touchdown passes than
Speaker 1: they did all the last season. And the Eagles did
Speaker 1: something smart and said, they said, let's keep their offense
Speaker 1: off the field, let's control the clock, make the game shorter,
Speaker 1: and make make them beat us on the few possessions
Speaker 1: they do have. And it worked wonderfully for the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Ryan Matthews had his best game of the season, the
Speaker 1: first game for the Eagles since last October. Wow, honey,
Speaker 1: did you DVR Blue Bloods? The Eagles offensive line pushed
Speaker 1: the Falcons defense around today, just bullied them. And it's
Speaker 1: something we see from the Falcons every year. They're spineless
Speaker 1: on defense. Well, we've thought that they're getting better on
Speaker 1: d but maybe that doesn't travel. Maybe that's a dome thing,
Speaker 1: because when you think of their pass rush, you know,
Speaker 1: on the turf they've got they're there they've got some
Speaker 1: big hitters. I don't know that. Maybe they're getting better
Speaker 1: in d which means they're going from thirty and they're
Speaker 1: still not great well. And part of it has to
Speaker 1: do with a Falcon's offense that puts you on your
Speaker 1: toes where they've been up in games, and I think
Speaker 1: that helps your pass rush come alive when you force
Speaker 1: the other team into, you know, rough situations. This is
Speaker 1: the pisite today. It sounds like how did uh, how
Speaker 1: did Matt Ryan look in his m v p uh
Speaker 1: race campaign? Whatever you wanna call it. This was by
Speaker 1: far the best defense anyone has played against the Falcons
Speaker 1: all year, and none of it was Matt Ryan's fault
Speaker 1: really until the interception at the end of the game
Speaker 1: when they were trying to come back two scores down. Uh.
Speaker 1: He made some beautiful throws to Julio Jones, high degree
Speaker 1: of difficulty plays that they came through, but no one
Speaker 1: else really stepped up except for Taylor Gabriel's double move
Speaker 1: that left Leodis Kelvin in the dust. Um. It wasn't
Speaker 1: one of their typical games where you see the running
Speaker 1: backs and the tight ends and Mohammed Sanu involved in
Speaker 1: the passing attack. They just had nothing outside of Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: They seem like also you know and so you mentioned
Speaker 1: and you're right up to Typically they can hurt you
Speaker 1: on the ground too, they're so diverse, but forty eight
Speaker 1: yards today, it doesn't something. It was a big part
Speaker 1: of the game plan. There was no real chain moving
Speaker 1: element too. They had a lot of short drives, uh
Speaker 1: and then they would punt, but there was no sustaining
Speaker 1: element in the running game this week. But I had
Speaker 1: on a day where the other teams in the NFC
Speaker 1: South kind of fell back. It's like it I don't
Speaker 1: think it hurts them that bad. But Philly, I know,
Speaker 1: I've been honking about Philly a lot. I do feel
Speaker 1: like they've got enough things going on that that they
Speaker 1: can be that team that emerges for one of those
Speaker 1: final playoffs. So it's obviously it's gonna be tough to
Speaker 1: catch the Cowboys, to say the least, but for one
Speaker 1: of those wild cards. But they got like going on,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and they're an imperfect team. You can
Speaker 1: point to certain things about them that their defense is
Speaker 1: not that maybe the defense it was at the start
Speaker 1: of the season to some degree, but the Eagles, compared
Speaker 1: to where they were in January, a ship completely rudderless.
Speaker 1: Have just fired its coach. The combination of Peterson and
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and Jim Schwartz have really have really brought
Speaker 1: a hopeful season. You're five and four, you still have
Speaker 1: a shot. I don't think the defense is any worse.
Speaker 1: I just think they're a jackal and hide team, and
Speaker 1: their defense is so much better at home than it
Speaker 1: is on the Their home away splits are terrible. Their
Speaker 1: four and oh at home, one and four in the road,
Speaker 1: oh and three in division And if you're chasing a
Speaker 1: wild card spot and you need to have a nice
Speaker 1: conference record, three and four right now, so they gotta
Speaker 1: beat some of these conference teams and to help out
Speaker 1: with high tiebreaker situations. The Falcons go into the bye.
Speaker 1: They should get Tevin Coleman and Jacob Tammy back after
Speaker 1: the bye. And we've mentioned this several times. They've been
Speaker 1: tested as much as any team in the league this year.
Speaker 1: The Eagles defense at home is one of the toughest
Speaker 1: tests you can have. UH let's stay in the NFC
Speaker 1: East Bradford with the play clock at fifteen out of
Speaker 1: the shotgun takes the snap, drops back to pass. He's
Speaker 1: under pressure, he's going down. Preston Smith, who had a
Speaker 1: huge interception earlier in the fourth quarter, rips them down
Speaker 1: and that will do it. The Redskins defense hangs on
Speaker 1: and holds onto this six point lead. That was Tom
Speaker 1: McCarthy Westwood one Sports. Dustin Hopkins had four second half
Speaker 1: field goals in The Redskins shut out the Vikings in
Speaker 1: the final two quarters to secure a twenty to twenty
Speaker 1: win at FedEx Field. Uh. Speaking of you know, playoff
Speaker 1: implications and tiebreakers, this one could have huge implications. Uh
Speaker 1: in the next month mark the Vikings ripped off twenty
Speaker 1: unanswered points in the first half and still lost this game.
Speaker 1: What the hell is happening with the team of a
Speaker 1: t L. I would point to the fact that that
Speaker 1: interception was not actually it because they had a chance.
Speaker 1: I think that was the sack that closed the game. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: they that's fair. They they had a chance to win
Speaker 1: this thing. But there their second half possessions were comprised
Speaker 1: of two punts, a pick, and a failed two minute drive.
Speaker 1: And why is that? Because when the Redskins are good
Speaker 1: and they're operating the way that they can on offense,
Speaker 1: and I really find their offense much more enjoyable than
Speaker 1: I thought I would this season. And then then some
Speaker 1: others do they ate up eleven minutes of the third
Speaker 1: quarter clock, absolutely keeping minutes swed off the field, destroying
Speaker 1: any sort of momentum you want to say they had
Speaker 1: from that twenty points swing to end the first half
Speaker 1: and then shut them down in the fourth quarter. And
Speaker 1: Rob Kelly, who I think I realized people think he's
Speaker 1: just a guy. Well, he's just a guy. They got
Speaker 1: the job done today because they won the game right
Speaker 1: there with their They were able to use the run
Speaker 1: game and enough effect to pass us from Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: to take down Minnesota's defense. And I had no longer
Speaker 1: look at Minnesota's defense as this. Yes, their statistics and
Speaker 1: where they are statistically is based so much on the
Speaker 1: front half of their season. They are you can you
Speaker 1: can score points on them right now, and a team
Speaker 1: like Washington today proved that this game was not as
Speaker 1: close as well, they're not making the playoffs. Where are
Speaker 1: they going to rip off three or four wins or
Speaker 1: much less six? They're done? Because Greg, this is where
Speaker 1: we differ. I understand that you look at things and say,
Speaker 1: this can happen this kind and you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: they're in every game, but they're also there. Go watch
Speaker 1: this and tell me if you really believe this game
Speaker 1: or the last two games they were in, if you
Speaker 1: really believe that Minnesota is the better team going first,
Speaker 1: first place team in the division could be O and nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't. I would not rule the Vikings
Speaker 1: out at all. Here's the other thing when we see
Speaker 1: this all the time, that teams can look terrible for
Speaker 1: a month and then completely turned the other way and
Speaker 1: then back against all. Right, Okay, point taken. They might
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. But I I'm at a different point
Speaker 1: than where I was with the Vikings when I said
Speaker 1: I believe in them. They can go damage teams, they
Speaker 1: can dominate teams. Now we're talking about them hanging on
Speaker 1: in a bad division. That's a different place for me
Speaker 1: than where we were before. You're right, the defense showing
Speaker 1: cracks over the last three weeks is the biggest problem,
Speaker 1: because the offense has improved dramatically the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: really dramatically. I mean, I mean they were one of
Speaker 1: the worst offenses in the league. The first few they
Speaker 1: cannot do anything that the Bears game. They gave up
Speaker 1: a ton of yards to the Bears. The defense really
Speaker 1: blew it at the end of the Lions game, a
Speaker 1: game they basically outplayed. They need another dramatic improvement to
Speaker 1: get back to go. On offense. You you were asking
Speaker 1: them to win in the NFC North and in the
Speaker 1: NFC and you cannot run the ball. You are simply
Speaker 1: running the ball to attempt to fool people. I understand
Speaker 1: that the passing game there's a little more up tempo
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and that's working to some degree. But the
Speaker 1: team to talk about here is the Redskins. Their five
Speaker 1: one on one and one over the last seven games, though,
Speaker 1: the much more intriguing balanced team than Minnesota is right now.
Speaker 1: And you think that Rob Kelly is a major upgrade
Speaker 1: on No, I'm not saying he's a major upgrade today.
Speaker 1: He got the job done and I platted him come
Speaker 1: in before and and Spell Jones, and he's played well.
Speaker 1: Upgrade when you've been talking about him for the last year,
Speaker 1: because I think Matt Jones, if he's not turning the
Speaker 1: ball over, is the equal of Rob Kelly. Well, they
Speaker 1: clearly have more of a clock killing presence with Rob
Speaker 1: Kelly out there. Well, Matt Jones did the same things
Speaker 1: to the same thing to the Eagles less than a
Speaker 1: month time. One of the most inconsistent backs in the
Speaker 1: NFL the last year. I just think people calling Rob
Speaker 1: Kelly just this average nobody. I got understand he's more
Speaker 1: of a one dimensional type runner, but he's been fine.
Speaker 1: Ain't no one calling fat Rob an average nobody when
Speaker 1: he's from running back. You let's hear what Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: had to say after a dramatic win. That's really what
Speaker 1: he said. That is that's the new Uh you like that?
Speaker 1: As he was coming off the vine probably will be
Speaker 1: vine about three million times by the time you hear
Speaker 1: this one more time. Trying to start some ob I
Speaker 1: mean it's something that's a little saw this smartphone and
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, don't panic, don't panic, because it
Speaker 1: was the exact same spot, even in the locker room,
Speaker 1: running from off the field past the little press area
Speaker 1: into the locker room. He saw it. His eyes flashed,
Speaker 1: and this is the best he could come up with.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't feel contrived at all, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel contrived either. I know she went down
Speaker 1: a few buttons. Here on this shirt is hot and
Speaker 1: here a bit of a cool dad. Now it's more
Speaker 1: like trying to cool down body temperature periscope. Let us
Speaker 1: know if it's working. It's not the attempt. I am
Speaker 1: about to start, you know, shedding skin and craziness. The
Speaker 1: king here, the Vikings about to shed a kicker. This
Speaker 1: has to be the end for Blair Walls, who missed
Speaker 1: another extra point and he's now missed eight kicks on
Speaker 1: the season, including field goals for p a t s.
Speaker 1: And that I mean they were they stayed with him
Speaker 1: after kicker auditions last week. I cannot imagine that they'll
Speaker 1: stay with him again. That changed the game because that
Speaker 1: little extra point kept Washington within one score what it
Speaker 1: would have been two scores in some situations to change
Speaker 1: the game, because he never and he never seems to
Speaker 1: miss p a t s when it's like one to
Speaker 1: three or anything. But I guess that's because the Vikings
Speaker 1: can't blow anybody out. It's always a close game that
Speaker 1: they're involved with. We'll see what happens. You want to
Speaker 1: check in on the defending Super Bowl champions? Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it and now a very important extra point snap.
Speaker 1: Broncos jump over the ball and they blocked the point.
Speaker 1: I just picked up Denver's running down the field, this
Speaker 1: ball picked up and running down the field. That is real.
Speaker 1: Parks parks into the ends on a two point conversion
Speaker 1: and the Broncos, with one twenty two left, lead this
Speaker 1: game twenty two. Wow. Dave Logan koa of the call, Jess.
Speaker 1: When you think you've seen that everything, the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: blocked an extra point uh and special team or will
Speaker 1: Parks returned it to the house, the deciding play in
Speaker 1: a three win for the Broncos over the New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints at the Superdome. Greg the Saints had a huge
Speaker 1: upset win over the defending champs and let it slip
Speaker 1: away in one of the most unusual ways possible. My
Speaker 1: first question, are you okay? I am? I thought this
Speaker 1: was one of the most entertaining games I watched the
Speaker 1: all season. It was uh big time lead for the
Speaker 1: Broncos that that the Saints fought back from, and then
Speaker 1: the Broncos fight back. Both core her backs in this
Speaker 1: game fought back from multi interception. But I thought Trevor
Speaker 1: Simeon's toughness uh to withstand all the hits that he
Speaker 1: was taking was really impressive and was one of the
Speaker 1: keys to them winning. And the Saints in a game
Speaker 1: where they did so many things right sacked Simmon six times,
Speaker 1: hit him eleven times, Drew brees Is two throws to
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks to what to tie that game to look
Speaker 1: like it was gonna win the game where two of
Speaker 1: the best throws and plays I've seen all season, and
Speaker 1: then to lose it for a team that was on
Speaker 1: a roll here that works so hard to get back
Speaker 1: to four and four is a gut punch game for
Speaker 1: the Saints. It's not a killer it, you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: knock them out for the season, but it really felt
Speaker 1: like they had something good going before that kick. Dan
Speaker 1: Is Dan has caught this at the perfect time because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be accountable at all for this,
Speaker 1: and I think he might have gone in a different
Speaker 1: way anyway. But we went oh for four in our
Speaker 1: so called pick him challenge against dam a second friends
Speaker 1: by trying to I really thought New Orleans would win this.
Speaker 1: We all picked the Saints and we were all, Oh,
Speaker 1: we can't kill ourselves for back and forth game that
Speaker 1: could have gone either way. Not killing myself for it.
Speaker 1: I'm already over it. I'm just pointing out the fact
Speaker 1: that that's not going to help us get into this,
Speaker 1: you know, the first slot on that show that they
Speaker 1: talk about, and yeah, that is disappointing, but who really
Speaker 1: cares ultimately that final Saints possession. By the way, Brandon
Speaker 1: Cook's thirty two yard touched un past six place seventy
Speaker 1: five yards in a minute, right, he gets the ball
Speaker 1: unit a touchdown. The defense had helped them out. Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: the Saints receiver, fumbled the ball twice in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: They had four turnovers. I think they would have won
Speaker 1: the game if it's not for the Michael Thomas fumbles,
Speaker 1: especially the first one. The defense, it was the best
Speaker 1: of Saints defense has looked in a long time. And
Speaker 1: I really came away thinking this Bronco's offensive line. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't change, it's it's the end of them. So
Speaker 1: you can't overcome it. Much bigger problem than the quarterback, yes,
Speaker 1: I thought Simeon. I know he threw two bad interceptions today,
Speaker 1: but until the first one, he was withstanding a lot
Speaker 1: of hits making a lot of tough throws. He's got
Speaker 1: no running game, he's keeping the ball on the field.
Speaker 1: The Saints only had twenty minutes time of possession. I thought,
Speaker 1: it's not his it's not on him. Well, he needed
Speaker 1: to make some plays in this game. So if he did,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good sign for him and his job security.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about when you because again I
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us have ever seen a
Speaker 1: game decided like this before. And what what really sucks
Speaker 1: about it? A lot of things sucks about suck about
Speaker 1: it if you're a Saints fan of the Saints. But
Speaker 1: when that happens, and maybe you don't know this or
Speaker 1: some people don't know this, Not only do you give
Speaker 1: up the two points, it's not like, all right, well
Speaker 1: we can get it back. We got a minute sixty
Speaker 1: Oh you're not kicking it off the other team to
Speaker 1: kill it if you don't recover the onside kick, which
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they did not game over, Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: what a way to lose what percentage of when you
Speaker 1: go into any NFL stadium, how many like we're on
Speaker 1: top of that rule. The minute was happening, and knew
Speaker 1: what was going on it's a relatively new rule. You
Speaker 1: have to wonder if half the home crowd is thinking
Speaker 1: what just occurred? And to everyone screaming at their mobile
Speaker 1: devices or however they're listening to this podcast. First of all,
Speaker 1: thank you the bottom of our hearts. But second we
Speaker 1: should mention that millions of Saints fans believe Will Park
Speaker 1: stepped out of bounds on the play. But his gleaming
Speaker 1: Joe Namath white cleats matched the gleaming white paint on
Speaker 1: the carpet at the Superdome, so there just was no
Speaker 1: clear view to overturn it, even though it looked very
Speaker 1: close to be. It looked like he was out, but
Speaker 1: I can get why they didn't overturn it. It It also
Speaker 1: looked pretty clear that the Broncos held down the Saints
Speaker 1: center on the play so that he couldn't like lift up,
Speaker 1: because if you touch the center when you're jumping over,
Speaker 1: it's a penalty. But people getting worked up about that,
Speaker 1: that's called you know, that's a good play by Denver.
Speaker 1: You know, you try to get away with little things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're dying as a Saint, so and you're like, oh, way,
Speaker 1: that just happened. And when you have any inkling of
Speaker 1: a chance to be like, no, this doesn't count, you're
Speaker 1: gonna go nuts over. I think the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: I came away from this feeling almost better about the Saints.
Speaker 1: They protected Drew Brees against the Broncos very well, and
Speaker 1: their defense Cameron Jordan's uh kenny of the cart they
Speaker 1: played better than you could feel good about in the end. See,
Speaker 1: if you look at the standings right now in the NFC,
Speaker 1: if they were to put together some sort of wind streak,
Speaker 1: they are right in this thing for a wild card
Speaker 1: spot and out of conference loss. So you don't get
Speaker 1: killed in the tiber. All these things matter as we
Speaker 1: head towards December. Let's move on. Newton will throw and
Speaker 1: caught at the thirty two yard line. It is caught
Speaker 1: by Kelvin Benjamin. Now I've all taken away. The bulls
Speaker 1: trot out of the end of the Playlet's pulled away
Speaker 1: after twenty four yard line. It was Marcus Peters. Marcus
Speaker 1: Peters just yanked the ball away from Kelvin Benjamin and
Speaker 1: get from all to the twenty four yard line of Carolina.
Speaker 1: Mitch Halter's k c f X. Marcus Peters is clutch
Speaker 1: strip of Kelvin Benjamin was the play of the game,
Speaker 1: setting up Cairo Santos thirty seven yard field goals time
Speaker 1: expired to lift the seven and two Chiefs. That's right,
Speaker 1: you're paying attention yet to win over the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1: This was just a grizzly home loss for the defending
Speaker 1: NFC champions, who were outscored seventeen to nil in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Greg rose at all time to convene the
Speaker 1: fourth Committee. We could this is the NFC. They play
Speaker 1: on Thursday night against the Saints. If that's not a
Speaker 1: loser goes home game, I don't know what is the
Speaker 1: thing that later by the way, I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I know they're three and six, but the Panthers, for
Speaker 1: for three quarters of this game, we're thinking, this is
Speaker 1: exactly who we are. You know, we're controlling the ball,
Speaker 1: we're running that Cam Newton's running. Our defense looks as
Speaker 1: great as it did the last few weeks, and and
Speaker 1: that was as tough a loss I've seen any team
Speaker 1: take in the entire season. Maybe we can give up
Speaker 1: on them. Win they're three and seven or three and
Speaker 1: eight or three and nine. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: difference between this team and last year's team. I see differences.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is getting waxed. They're turning the ball over more.
Speaker 1: And they listen, they were winning these games last season
Speaker 1: and you know, no question, but they were starting to
Speaker 1: get a little bit of mojo working, which makes this
Speaker 1: loss even more crushing for them because if they win
Speaker 1: this game, they got a three game win streak, but
Speaker 1: instead they're almost right back where they started. But with
Speaker 1: time running out, I think it's it's a game that
Speaker 1: it's very similar to me as the Saints game. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very similar to what happened to New Orleans. There
Speaker 1: was I think the key part of this game. There
Speaker 1: was a twenty play drive that the Panthers ended up
Speaker 1: punting and they get it into the red zone. They're
Speaker 1: going in for a three score lead going into the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter at that point, and they go backwards, end
Speaker 1: up having to punt and the game changes right there. Well,
Speaker 1: and as always we talk about the other team winner
Speaker 1: lose before we talk about Kansas City, But how about
Speaker 1: your boy Tyreek Hill ten catches. It's crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's almost like a guy you could play in fantasy leagues.
Speaker 1: At this point, tyreek Hill. He's there. He was their
Speaker 1: leading receiver. I mean, the Chiefs won a game. Here's
Speaker 1: some things that happened. They had a hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five net passing yards, and they scored no touchdowns on offense,
Speaker 1: and they and they won the game. Eric Berry's interception
Speaker 1: to Cam Newton, which was on Cam was was an
Speaker 1: unbelievable play by Eric Barry. Do you trust the Chiefs
Speaker 1: how when you look at their ceiling? Last year they
Speaker 1: win in the playoffs, they lost to New England. There
Speaker 1: the number two seed in the a f C right now?
Speaker 1: Does anyone trust them in here to do real damage
Speaker 1: in January? The Chiefs, I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: fall down that wormhole in the sense that they couldn't.
Speaker 1: I kind of think they're just as dangerous as any team,
Speaker 1: but the Patriots, I really do. A f C is
Speaker 1: pretty wide open other than New England at this point.
Speaker 1: I feel like, so if they could knock off a
Speaker 1: couple of teams that aren't the Patriots, I wouldn't be stunned,
Speaker 1: but we could easily see them one and done also,
Speaker 1: so kind of on the fence, that would be the
Speaker 1: definition of Oh. I think that someone else could start
Speaker 1: to be you know, attributed to obvious on the fence nonsense.
Speaker 1: You know, it's ridiculous. The team that had no business
Speaker 1: beating the three and six Panthers today is the second
Speaker 1: most dangerous team in the NFC. I mean, I'm looking
Speaker 1: to just this week. I think they've been really consistent.
Speaker 1: The offense has been a big problem the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: but until then, I thought they were showing some things
Speaker 1: on offense. Um, all right, let's move on, gentlemen. And
Speaker 1: uh oh, by the way, west Cam Newton brought back
Speaker 1: the dab your thoughts You talked about the loser Goes
Speaker 1: Home match. Um, I've listened to the podcast on Thursday,
Speaker 1: took copious notes and then filed them away privately really
Speaker 1: from my eyes only. But one thing was we weren't
Speaker 1: really sure where we want to go with the term
Speaker 1: for what is like the loser goes Home. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: want to kind of have our own that a wrestling term.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of it was originally a wrestling term,
Speaker 1: and now we're next thing I'm gonna talk about Miami
Speaker 1: were San Diego. Um, So I came up with a
Speaker 1: couple of different ones and wanted again running by the group. Uh.
Speaker 1: Here here's the first one. They think loser and METI dies.
Speaker 1: It's a tad extreme. I kind of like it's definitive nature.
Speaker 1: But what's see what else you got? It would mess
Speaker 1: up the rest of the season, you know, just in
Speaker 1: terms of scheduling. Actually, well, I don't want to have
Speaker 1: any confusion. How about this loser disappointed? It's all the
Speaker 1: father is disappointed. I mean that's pretty accurate, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be the winner right there. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: and here's the last one, loser unhappy with outcome, able
Speaker 1: to keep it in. Robert, I think that's Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a winner right there, very catchy. Which which is your
Speaker 1: favorite one? I think it's got to be the third
Speaker 1: because it also aligns with um kind of the league
Speaker 1: mandate that we need to somehow sell these teams deep
Speaker 1: into December. Alright, So coming up Thursday night only on
Speaker 1: NFL Network, loser unhappy with outcome, but able to keep
Speaker 1: it in. So let's check out that game. Uh dalf
Speaker 1: in San Diego, whoa back to throw? Look fired, intercepted,
Speaker 1: he got it, got Alonzo's got it at the forty,
Speaker 1: chased out. He's at the twenty. He's at the ten,
Speaker 1: the five, there are no flags. Kick Alonzo interception six huge,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Cefalo, who gargles with Cephalo w K A M
Speaker 1: with the call. Kiko Alonso's peaks pick six, the third
Speaker 1: of four Philip Rivers fourth quarter interceptions was the deciding
Speaker 1: play in the thirty one twenty four win for the
Speaker 1: Dolphins over the Chargers in San Diego. Greg the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: Oh no, guys, who had this one? Well, it must
Speaker 1: have been me, because Mark has not picked a lock
Speaker 1: of the Week in three weeks by process of elimination. Well,
Speaker 1: you're picking the Chargers. That adds up, Greg anyway, So Greg,
Speaker 1: you not lock it up. But the Dolphins have won
Speaker 1: four straight. Well, the Chargers may have just punched their
Speaker 1: ticket to the bone yard. Yeah, this is one in
Speaker 1: the a f C. That's gonna be hard to imagine
Speaker 1: them recovering from that. You gotta win this game at
Speaker 1: home against Miami. Give the Dolphins secondary, who has been
Speaker 1: much maligned this year, credit for making some good plays
Speaker 1: on the ball. Two of those intercepts. Don't give the
Speaker 1: Dolphins secondary credit. Well, in this game, why not? They
Speaker 1: blew coverages all through the game. Three penalties alone don
Speaker 1: Tren Dontrell m and drew On Bobby McCain a defensive
Speaker 1: holding penalty gave the Chargers three fresh downs inside the
Speaker 1: five yard line. This was not a second you go
Speaker 1: a linebacker other pick six, right, I'm saying though, the
Speaker 1: two of the interceptions, and I'm not even including the
Speaker 1: Alonza one, which is obviously a great play where great
Speaker 1: individual efforts that that were. You kind of thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a bad throw by Rivers, but wow, what a
Speaker 1: play by the defensive back. I mean, you give them credit.
Speaker 1: They it was this Rivers pressing too hard, as as
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would say at times, Well here's the thing. You
Speaker 1: threw four interceptions the fourth quarter and tucked in the
Speaker 1: middle of all that was a brilliant drive where he
Speaker 1: connected on a deep touchdown past to tie the game.
Speaker 1: I think it was just I don't know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a weird thing to watch. More than anything, you
Speaker 1: have to take each one of those plays separately. You
Speaker 1: can't say there was one one motivating factor they determined
Speaker 1: all four interceptions. I'm sure that on one of the
Speaker 1: plays at least the receiver ran the wrong route, So
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say that Rivers was just
Speaker 1: pressing or something. The first two picks were both terrible.
Speaker 1: One was I think at the one yard line, past
Speaker 1: to the goal line at the goal and that got
Speaker 1: picked off. And then the second pick, they were heading
Speaker 1: back to the red zone where he was picked a
Speaker 1: second time, so they were and then the third was
Speaker 1: the pick six and the fourth came in their desperation
Speaker 1: final drive, So each one was really painful. They were
Speaker 1: backbreaking turnovers and and if you know you're catchy phrase,
Speaker 1: what is the proper perspective for the charges here? You're
Speaker 1: four and six now, every other team in the division
Speaker 1: has seven wins, yet the bone yard is where you
Speaker 1: go on the proper perspective as the last thirteen minutes
Speaker 1: of this game ruined your season, Yeah, as did a
Speaker 1: large chunk of the games you played earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: And you've you've lived and died on these bizarre, dramatic,
Speaker 1: down to the wire scenarios. But good teams don't go
Speaker 1: through this every week. And you're you're gonna you got
Speaker 1: burned too much at this point. You cannot survive a
Speaker 1: game like this, and it's crazy to see what Miami
Speaker 1: has done over the last month where we considered them
Speaker 1: a month ago. I mean I had completely cast them off.
Speaker 1: This is a big win for Miami. They they said,
Speaker 1: you fool, you know nothing. I say, put down that fork.
Speaker 1: This team has a run in them. I also believe
Speaker 1: they'll fall back to the pack again. But I thought
Speaker 1: you got all the bases covered. I think they had
Speaker 1: one run three or four games and it will probably
Speaker 1: turn hard left any minute now. But they have that
Speaker 1: run now where they're in the conversation, and good for
Speaker 1: Dolphins fins. They have a new formula here. And Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill one of his best games of his career today.
Speaker 1: His toughness stood out. Uh perfect throw to Kenny Stills
Speaker 1: on a long touchdown and then he escaped Melvin Ingram
Speaker 1: and ran for eighteen yards on a on a first down.
Speaker 1: Three three plays later, hit Damian Williams for a perfectly
Speaker 1: placed touchdown to give them a lead. And then late
Speaker 1: in the game, he takes a shot from Corey Legion
Speaker 1: in his neck while he's attempting to throw and still
Speaker 1: hits DeVante Parker deep down the sideline for a game
Speaker 1: tie and field goal. Really, I thought Tannehill play well
Speaker 1: in here and their offense has not had a turnover
Speaker 1: in their four game winning street. That's that's crazy, and
Speaker 1: that's so un Dolphins and Tannehill. He could put up
Speaker 1: some highlights. He's not consistent, but this year people get on.
Speaker 1: Remember the whole thing. He can't throw the ball deep.
Speaker 1: He start the ball deep really well. This year he
Speaker 1: also delivers balls like passes as he's getting crushed really well.
Speaker 1: It's it's everything. It's almost like the easy stuff that
Speaker 1: that he struggles with. This was a game, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's putting putting a highlight reel. What were you saying
Speaker 1: in the newsroom, Dan about Tannehill? Oh that you know
Speaker 1: we were still aiding five years in for him to
Speaker 1: hang some onion in a big spot late in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Nut up, I believe was the expression of
Speaker 1: you used it and it seemed like he did not. Well,
Speaker 1: he let a field goal drive. Let's come down, hey,
Speaker 1: through an unbelievable pass. How about that? How about this? Greg?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying so I know you're you're on that train,
Speaker 1: even though you try to finished the drive, finished the drive.
Speaker 1: That you could say that about the whole Dolphins team
Speaker 1: over the last five years. I loved West by the
Speaker 1: way I loved your theory on Thursday show again. I
Speaker 1: listened to it privately from a u c l A
Speaker 1: hospital room to copious notes handwritten. I think it was
Speaker 1: five six pages Are you Gonna? And then at least
Speaker 1: the notes to never It's all very deeply personal thoughts.
Speaker 1: They were probably overtly positive from the end to end.
Speaker 1: I'm certain West your take that the Miami mercenaries buying
Speaker 1: in now that things have are going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: I like that. I believe it. I think that happens
Speaker 1: every year with at least one or two teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL that are built on free agents. That that
Speaker 1: the way that Mike Tannenbaum imagined. That defensive line is
Speaker 1: starting to come to fruition. Cameron Wake is playing great,
Speaker 1: Andre Branch had another big game. Earl Mitchell returned for
Speaker 1: their team. Uh, and I think that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big factor for them. They're playing the Rams next week
Speaker 1: in l A. I mean they shut down Melvin Gordon
Speaker 1: on the ground. Gordon did all of his damage really
Speaker 1: through the air. Ye. Rams defense not gonna be an
Speaker 1: easy situation. I'm not saying that's an easy win. But
Speaker 1: that's a winnable game. If you can win in San Diego,
Speaker 1: you can win in l A. Didn't see any honking
Speaker 1: from West's Desert Consigliari on Twitter today about Gordon Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he had a hundred and thirty yards. No
Speaker 1: honkin though, It's all just like, I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: what that guy's up to on o R on a
Speaker 1: random Sunday. He could be well, we know what he
Speaker 1: was up to last Sunday. Could there could be baccanalia
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You know, let's check out another team in
Speaker 1: the a f C playoff race. Titans offset the eye
Speaker 1: of the left on first and five. They're gonna run
Speaker 1: to Marco Murty a lot of room, thirty fifty thirty,
Speaker 1: twenty five year, what's that? Titans? Denmark Murray to house.
Speaker 1: That's a good job by you, Mike Keith the w
Speaker 1: g f X de Marca Murray started things off with
Speaker 1: the seventy five yard touchdown running. The Titans never looked back,
Speaker 1: laying the wood to the spiraling Packers a forty seven
Speaker 1: win in Nashville. Marcus Mariotta through four or more touchdown
Speaker 1: passes for the Titans, who are suddenly alive and well
Speaker 1: in the a f C South Race, Chris Westley, who's
Speaker 1: more fun to watch than Titans? Look at you as
Speaker 1: you're all back in now, Maybe the Cowboys? Other than that,
Speaker 1: who's more fun to watch in these Titans? You like
Speaker 1: those good offensive lines? Well, I think you're talking about
Speaker 1: a style of play. A style of play, and we
Speaker 1: wrote about this in the off season one of my
Speaker 1: biggest articles of the off season, The Powerhouse Football is back,
Speaker 1: pushing smaller defenses around. The Titans now have thirty five
Speaker 1: or more points for three straight games, the first time
Speaker 1: in their history of the Houston Oilers, Tennessee Titans twenty
Speaker 1: six or more in six straight games. Marcus Mariota is
Speaker 1: the hottest quarterback in the league statistically, and this is amazing.
Speaker 1: In of his games he has four more touchdowns. Um
Speaker 1: regret continues to build on the old zeus Or fantasy
Speaker 1: team dropping Marcus Mariota six weeks ago in favor of
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, Well, it's building, it's even. It is the
Speaker 1: worst decision in fantasy football history, but even worse because
Speaker 1: of the man you kept instead of Yes, I was
Speaker 1: faced with a very difficult situation again think back six
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Should I keep Marcus Mariota, who was a mess,
Speaker 1: or Blake Bortles, who was also a mess but stacked
Speaker 1: fantasy garbage points every once in a while, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with Blake and I took the rake, or
Speaker 1: just not pick up Tony Romo, the guy with the
Speaker 1: broken collar. But listen, easy to say now, easy to
Speaker 1: say now, Mr fancy Pats, what place are you in?
Speaker 1: Because we want to hear or about so you know,
Speaker 1: said what are you in your so called division? I'm
Speaker 1: I'm no, it's not a division. It's just an overall
Speaker 1: twelve team league. But um, Greg thought of my fantasy
Speaker 1: team today, So the first time it's ever happened someone
Speaker 1: thought of someone else's fantasy team. When Marcus Mariota, Mariota
Speaker 1: is playing, he's making tough throws. He made some pen
Speaker 1: point throws to Delaney Walker, Richard Matthews, Taj Sharp. Mariota
Speaker 1: was almost flawless in the first half of this game,
Speaker 1: and the Packers looked like dead men walking in the
Speaker 1: first half. In the first quarter, they were out gamed
Speaker 1: two or thirty one to seventeen yards. With eight seconds
Speaker 1: left in the first quarter. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: complete and utter thrashing. Thirty five to ten is the
Speaker 1: biggest UH deficit at halftime since Aaron Rodgers has been
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. I believe it was not a contest.
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick called the Packers collectively hung over. From what
Speaker 1: I think Patrick hung over. You smell that. That's a
Speaker 1: but I know a melting butt when I smell it. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's Mike McCarthy. This is the first time I actually
Speaker 1: believe he's in trouble because when you're getting now embarrassed
Speaker 1: and we're all excited now about the Titans and they're
Speaker 1: playing very well in the last month or so, but
Speaker 1: this is how you get fired. We're past Mulligan territory.
Speaker 1: I think he's everybody agreely or not. I've thought Tom
Speaker 1: Papers is definitely in trouble. You know, he's Tom Caper's
Speaker 1: has lived through a thousand disaster, will live. I think
Speaker 1: if their offense is still ranked in the middle of
Speaker 1: the league at the end of the year, McCarthy's going
Speaker 1: to go. Well the offense. I think it's it's his offense,
Speaker 1: and if it's stale with Aaron Rodgers and his prime
Speaker 1: for a second straight year, especially if they end up
Speaker 1: with a losing record or out of the playoffs. Well,
Speaker 1: the question will be for what. It all depends on
Speaker 1: what and who is out there to make that switch,
Speaker 1: because the Packers are not a team that does this
Speaker 1: without doing a lot of thought behind it. They don't
Speaker 1: throw us a Mandy Reid parallels a longtime coach and
Speaker 1: offensive guru. You fire him two years later, maybe you
Speaker 1: have to hire another branch of his coaching tree because
Speaker 1: you hired the wrong guy and you didn't have a
Speaker 1: better option. But Andy Reid would even admit it was
Speaker 1: a good thing for him to get fired in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: He was kind of he had had too much power
Speaker 1: almost And it's not the same thing with McCarthy. But
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get Mike McCarthy. He had
Speaker 1: sort of reached the end of his rope. I guess
Speaker 1: is what I was saying in Philadelphia, like he needed
Speaker 1: a new start. I think stale is a good word
Speaker 1: for their offense. I want to take a peek here
Speaker 1: at the a f C South, which of course Wes
Speaker 1: is but but uh, the Houston Texans six and three?
Speaker 1: But are you know terrible? They stink let's be honest. Uh,
Speaker 1: deep down, we all know it. Tennessee now five and five,
Speaker 1: Indy four and five, and then the Jacks two and seven.
Speaker 1: So even though there's a little bit of a cushion
Speaker 1: right now for the Texans, Titans a real shot they
Speaker 1: should be the favorite. Well, West, I was gonna ask you,
Speaker 1: you've been saying until this minute that the Colts where
Speaker 1: you're picking this division the last few weeks on this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tend to go back and forth with the Colts
Speaker 1: and the Titans, but the Titans are clearly the better team.
Speaker 1: I just had more confidence in Andrew. I think this
Speaker 1: Titans team. Let's talk about the rest of the a
Speaker 1: f C South. Here's the snap. Bortles looking left, fires
Speaker 1: that way and if picked up by Kareem across the
Speaker 1: thirty five thirty cuts inside of the tent, over the five,
Speaker 1: Kariem checks into the house, pick six. The Texans get
Speaker 1: on the board first forty three yard I N T
Speaker 1: return for the touchdown. That was Mark VanderMeer of k
Speaker 1: I L T. Who they kilt? You think they have
Speaker 1: like their call is like they get like a Scottish
Speaker 1: brogue dot pipes. The haagpipes in Denver. Can we work
Speaker 1: up a Kilt sound drop for the next week's show. Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna need a Jaguars drop? We
Speaker 1: need a Scottish guy because I can't. My Scottish accent
Speaker 1: is basically an Irish, so it's like, that's that's not Scott.
Speaker 1: Dan suddenly worried about accuracy of his for I always
Speaker 1: worry about it because it's a commitment to excellence anyway.
Speaker 1: Kareem Jackson was the latest defensive back to reap the
Speaker 1: benefits of Blake bortles endless string of first quarter humiliation,
Speaker 1: running back in the interception forty two yards for a
Speaker 1: touchdown and helped propel the Texans to one win over
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, who should be relegated. Mark brock oslo through
Speaker 1: for just ninety nine yards. But you don't have to
Speaker 1: be Montana when facing the NFL's Inland beach house. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. I mean, we talked on Thursday about
Speaker 1: the fact that the Texans were going to be six
Speaker 1: and three on Sunday night, and then it was all
Speaker 1: a comprehensive mirage your quarterback. We just talk about Marcus Mariotta,
Speaker 1: who is doing things that no Titans really even Oiler's quarterback.
Speaker 1: You can factor in Warren Moon to some degree, has
Speaker 1: done the surly in one's career. And then you go
Speaker 1: to Houston or Yes, your record looks nice because you're
Speaker 1: picking up wins against the Jaguars and you're a defensive
Speaker 1: led team. It's not gonna last for long. They are
Speaker 1: not going to be able to stave off Tennessee if
Speaker 1: games if if Tennessee continues to play the way it is.
Speaker 1: I don't like the way this offense is built on
Speaker 1: any level at this point. And they've got a major
Speaker 1: quarterback problem that we've hammered into the dirt. Nothing's changed
Speaker 1: with this game. You you got by the Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 1: thanks to another awful performance by Blake Bortles and a
Speaker 1: opponent in the Jaguars that you have no business losing
Speaker 1: to or even beating by just three points. The gabber
Speaker 1: zone is too generous for Brock Osweiler. Congratulations, Rock, You've
Speaker 1: done this. This is their recipe, though I think a recipe.
Speaker 1: This is the recipe, and it's that's like making a
Speaker 1: brick in your You are right about it is the recipe.
Speaker 1: The recipe is, that's what happens if if you hold
Speaker 1: the team, you have the opposing team to under a
Speaker 1: hundred yards passing, you hold the opposing quarterback to under
Speaker 1: four yards per attempt, but you lose the game. You
Speaker 1: got bracked. You got bracked, just got bracked by the Texans.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come in, We're gonna not throw the ball.
Speaker 1: We're gonna look so bad you can't believe what happens,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the game, we want it.
Speaker 1: You got bracked. Are so shot on West, not believing
Speaker 1: where Greg's coming from. You can, you can have brocked.
Speaker 1: But it's not a recipe. That's something they get lucky
Speaker 1: to do every once in a while based on randomness
Speaker 1: of their opponent. Well, I would say the recipe is
Speaker 1: leaning almost exclusively on their defense to shut down opposing
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and score points like they did today. It's their
Speaker 1: defense that have gotten to this point. It's not sustainable.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the final record is. I don't
Speaker 1: care where they go. They're not gonna go anywhere in January,
Speaker 1: and they are suddenly, very clearly not the best team
Speaker 1: in their division. I don't think that was true three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, ran for a hundred and eighty one yards,
Speaker 1: including a Keem Hunt can against Jacksonville. Can brock Os
Speaker 1: or can Blake Bortles play safety because he's not quarterback
Speaker 1: right now? You can't have a newcomer come in and
Speaker 1: steal the show. Jacksonville is going to finish the season
Speaker 1: probably around four and twelve, and they might have a
Speaker 1: very difficult decision to make with that first pick. Let's
Speaker 1: see how that plays out. And now this week's insane
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Speaker 1: carbon doction, just collecting dangerous levels that the bed of
Speaker 1: the lake town faces disaster, the lake's are about to explode.
Speaker 1: That's a good one, But Greg, can you please No,
Speaker 1: I can't even say it. And it's not coming from you,
Speaker 1: it's coming from a SI. It all needs to be
Speaker 1: beeped out. But this from there was a Blue Blood
Speaker 1: trailer or commercial a couple of weeks ago where the
Speaker 1: guy kept saying she's a murder victim because she was
Speaker 1: no murder suspect. I blew it. It's over. We're bleeping
Speaker 1: that out. That's just for the Give it to me again,
Speaker 1: Give it to me again she's a her suspect because
Speaker 1: she's was. What does that even mean? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's a disturbing thing to having a commercial. Not
Speaker 1: only and CBS come back to us with some of
Speaker 1: these shows. My god, Kevin can wait is leading into
Speaker 1: Last Man in the House with Matt LeBlanc right now,
Speaker 1: whoa Tiffany Network come back to us the fact that
Speaker 1: the murder suspect thing was they pulled that from the
Speaker 1: other like what's the best line in this episode? Let's
Speaker 1: go with that? And then and then today's was about
Speaker 1: the lake exploding? How does the lake explode? It just
Speaker 1: sounds like endless clickbait material television on some level. Scorpio
Speaker 1: Monday's nine pm on CBS, that's where you can find
Speaker 1: that serious about how do it lake explodes? Now? Speaking
Speaker 1: of explosions, the two thousand sixteen New York Jets shotgun
Speaker 1: for Price Petty drops back left and it looks like
Speaker 1: it's been accepted by all the focal tree, but Metal
Speaker 1: Linebacker for the Rams picks it off intended for Quincy
Speaker 1: a none and the Jets will lose it today to
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams in a battle between two going
Speaker 1: nowhere teams. The Los Angeles Rams leaned on their defense
Speaker 1: and a oh yeah, nine six win over the Jets,
Speaker 1: spoiling Bryce Petty's first career start. Petty had a few
Speaker 1: moments uh here. The best was a nine yard touchdown
Speaker 1: drive in the second quarter that ended with the hook
Speaker 1: and ladder, which we need more hook and ladder in
Speaker 1: our lives in a non like end of game scenario.
Speaker 1: But it became uh. He became increasingly tentative here as
Speaker 1: the Jets were shut out in the second half. The
Speaker 1: Jets are now three and seven, obviously going nowhere. I
Speaker 1: think they should bring back Bryce Petty, uh for the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. We'll see how they come back
Speaker 1: from their bye week. Uh. Todd Bowls has any brains
Speaker 1: to me? You stick with the kid and get an
Speaker 1: idea of what's going on with his development and on
Speaker 1: the RAM side, guys, and there really doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be too much to talk about this game on the
Speaker 1: RAM side because when you guys, I know you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys devour tape. This will be an easy watch.
Speaker 1: This will be thirty minutes. I would think on the
Speaker 1: game pass, they'll find a way to get um the
Speaker 1: Rams again. Sticking with case Keenan for god knows what reason,
Speaker 1: he was terrible in this game. Um, and I could
Speaker 1: not make a play, although there, I must say again
Speaker 1: in the first half, and this shows you again how
Speaker 1: terrible this Jet season has gone. Case Keenum and Kenny
Speaker 1: Britt were picking on Durell Rievers in the first half. Um,
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley actually found some holes in the second half,
Speaker 1: so they had they were able to do some things.
Speaker 1: But yes, the Rams are four and five, and I
Speaker 1: figured out something with the Rams. Guys. This is how
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher gets to seven wins every year. It doesn't
Speaker 1: get to more than seven or eight. But every game
Speaker 1: you have three or four like sewer game, like Sewer
Speaker 1: type games every year where it's just a bad game
Speaker 1: between two kind of going nowhere teams. The Rams always
Speaker 1: seem to win those games, so they pick up four
Speaker 1: wins there, three or four wins. Then they have their
Speaker 1: two NFC West upsets every year, so all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're up to like five or six, and then
Speaker 1: there's a couple of teams that you're actually just actually
Speaker 1: better than you take care of business, and there's seven
Speaker 1: or eight there. But and it's always the same script
Speaker 1: and this is a super checks out seward game that
Speaker 1: they took care of today. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: third game this season, Am I right here that they
Speaker 1: haven't scored a touchdown? This is the NFL? Did they
Speaker 1: win all those games there? Two and one in those games?
Speaker 1: Jeff's I mean, that's what Jeff Fish in the last
Speaker 1: three weeks combined. Here's the stat of the day. The
Speaker 1: Rams had eight plays in the red zone in this game,
Speaker 1: and they were went for negative seven yards, including first
Speaker 1: This again, Jeff Fisher come back to us as well.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a preview of Jeff Fisher's Monday press commerce.
Speaker 1: I thought Case played well. Yet Case played well, Case
Speaker 1: wasn't the problem. First and goal from the one in
Speaker 1: the first quarter, A run to Benny Cunningham fumble, however,
Speaker 1: h a past attempt incomplete, a pass to the left
Speaker 1: flat taken down for two yard loss. Todd Gurley never
Speaker 1: touches the ball and then you send out the field
Speaker 1: goal kicker for a twenty yard or uh. Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: never touched the ball fun times. I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: if that's a bad thing this year. Todd Gurley doesn't
Speaker 1: touch the ball you'll see in the second half what
Speaker 1: he had some holes and actually looked a little bit
Speaker 1: like a dynamic running back. Um, this could be we
Speaker 1: might have to put this on temporary hiatus. CBS doesn't
Speaker 1: put anything on hi how it is because all the
Speaker 1: old people watch all their shows. But this could be
Speaker 1: the last Keith Hansas of visit for a little bit
Speaker 1: because the Jets are completely irrelevant. But let's hear from
Speaker 1: my dad. His name is Keith. He's dance dad. You
Speaker 1: don't doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. Well
Speaker 1: is he going to sing game to say? What? Is
Speaker 1: he go to Jets week tend for his say anything. First,
Speaker 1: I want to congratulate Danny and his wife and the
Speaker 1: person that new baby boy, and out to some more
Speaker 1: some more stressing news. The Jets terrible game nine six
Speaker 1: that was between two offensively challenged teams. Uh where Also,
Speaker 1: just looking at the game, the announcing team had to
Speaker 1: be a great deep pair there because we haven't heard
Speaker 1: either one of these guys, and boy, I thought they
Speaker 1: were terrible. But the big thing was I thought Petty's
Speaker 1: first game didn't look too good. He seemed to lose
Speaker 1: it all after him he had that misconnection on a
Speaker 1: bomb and after that that pick at the end was
Speaker 1: just forcing it terrible. Um, that's basically it. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why Petty was smiling at midfield at the end
Speaker 1: of the game. I would think he would have been
Speaker 1: a little more intense, but maybe you're just happy he
Speaker 1: was sorry. That's it. By Can I say one thing
Speaker 1: about your dad? You know the list of or can
Speaker 1: ride with us on things that we enjoy, maybe more
Speaker 1: than some listeners would. I don't deep six that aspect
Speaker 1: of the show at all if your dad is is
Speaker 1: unwilling to do it because it's becoming painful. But I
Speaker 1: think the thing about your dad and the reason the
Speaker 1: Jets fandom got handed down to you is because you
Speaker 1: don't disappear in week ten, week eleven. You take it
Speaker 1: to the end. And by the way, his analysis is
Speaker 1: concise and correct. I think t D has some competition
Speaker 1: for body language reading. Keith Hansis is very big on
Speaker 1: body out for Penny. Did that bother you? I missed that.
Speaker 1: I have to go back and check it. That's why
Speaker 1: we need your dad here. No, I think you know
Speaker 1: you make a very compelling case. You know, I think
Speaker 1: I I love to hear uh, my dad, And I
Speaker 1: think I won't say, by the way, who that announcing
Speaker 1: team was, or that's what I've been googling the last
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. Haven't figured it was the Tom Brennaman Charles
Speaker 1: Davis team. You can't, you can't, can't. The thing Charles
Speaker 1: Davis typically does a great job, honestly, like he's been
Speaker 1: very a three man booth with him and Chris Spielman
Speaker 1: has been really good. One thing that got on my
Speaker 1: radar and the the game was and this is a
Speaker 1: trait that that bugs me about all announcing teams, but
Speaker 1: when there's a bad quarterback involved and you still feel
Speaker 1: the need to shower them with praise, even like the
Speaker 1: more they struggle, almost when they do something even halfway competent,
Speaker 1: you have the double down. Like at one point case
Speaker 1: Keenum Uh, he scrambled for a first down in dove
Speaker 1: head first, and I think it was Brennaman just lost
Speaker 1: his s He was like, oh, you could see the
Speaker 1: grit and determination in his face. You know, stinks we're
Speaker 1: gonna shower him with praises. Uh. Keith Hanson stays on
Speaker 1: the air and let's move forward by Oncet. The dropping
Speaker 1: was a looking stow to feel he's got about white overs.
Speaker 1: It's Freddy Martino to the gold line. Touchdowns have a
Speaker 1: very funking it's gonna touchdown zone. Freddy Martino's first career touchdown,
Speaker 1: grabbed just a second catch as a pro, and the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers score on the opening series of the second half.
Speaker 1: Gene Decker half w f U S sound like a
Speaker 1: good grandfather. You could tell him his boys kindly, probably
Speaker 1: with his uh clean that children clean that one uh
Speaker 1: in my research. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers kept their season
Speaker 1: alive on Sunday, whipping up on the dreadful Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: in a thirty six ten win at the Pirate Ship.
Speaker 1: I just made that up. Jamis Winston played one of
Speaker 1: his best games of the season, throwing for three twelve
Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns. Greg Tampa Bay has a lot
Speaker 1: of flaws, but there is a pulse on a day
Speaker 1: where every other NFC South team went down. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the standings there is it's it's funny to think that
Speaker 1: there there's a pulse ahead of the Panthers and tied
Speaker 1: with the Saints, because to me, they're not even close
Speaker 1: to in their caliber, and they're not factors the rest
Speaker 1: of the year. But one thing I loved watching this game,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure everyone will see the highlights. It's something
Speaker 1: that Jamis Winston has been doing great all year, which
Speaker 1: is improvising and scrambling. I don't think he can make
Speaker 1: a living for the rest of his career doing that,
Speaker 1: but he is one of the best quarterbacks throwing outside
Speaker 1: the pocket this year. I'm just kind of making plays
Speaker 1: up as he goes along. It's fun to watch. If
Speaker 1: nothing else all of that is true, Are you ready
Speaker 1: to ditch your false narrative that Jake Cutler is somehow bound?
Speaker 1: I said, I thought he had a chance. Clearly I
Speaker 1: was wrong, return up three killer turnovers in this game.
Speaker 1: Five page five of my notes from Thursday shows entirely
Speaker 1: uh dedicated to the heat between West and Greg over
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler that's been carrying on for about I was
Speaker 1: wondering West's face started to look like a ball before
Speaker 1: he entered the ring, and I honestly didn't know what
Speaker 1: was happening. I'm talking about just now, I was. I
Speaker 1: haven't watched this game at all, so I was no idea.
Speaker 1: If he plays well harkening back to the dozens of
Speaker 1: tweets I got today from Bears fans thanking me for
Speaker 1: saying that Jake Cutler is You're not worthy of any praise.
Speaker 1: I felt. I fell for one one good primetime game.
Speaker 1: Easy do for that. I guess every year, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you had, you had four attempts at it. So he's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest teas I've ever seen in sports. J
Speaker 1: Cutler contributed three turnovers in the first half a load alone,
Speaker 1: including a pick six to Chris Conte and a fumble
Speaker 1: inside Tampa's ten yard line that ended a scoring chance.
Speaker 1: The Bears are now eight and sixteen under John Fox,
Speaker 1: who was also oh oh my buttocks. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think you don't think he's uh oh. I think they
Speaker 1: had been playing better the last few weeks. Anyways. I
Speaker 1: think when you have the youngest team in the NFL
Speaker 1: for the second straight year by far, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: gradium on a curve, and I think they're they're in
Speaker 1: it with this GM and coach. What you're gonna start
Speaker 1: all over again to every two to happen. They're definitely
Speaker 1: gonna start all over on offense next year. You have
Speaker 1: to do you want Foxy involved on a complete offense
Speaker 1: reach receiver, you got Cameron Meredith, al Sean Jeffery is
Speaker 1: going to the highest bidder. He's probably You've got a
Speaker 1: draft to quarterback and you've got to show that you
Speaker 1: can develop a quarterback. Is that is that John Fox?
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would. I'm not saying he's my favorite,
Speaker 1: UH coach. In fact, yeah, it's kind of been the opposite.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna It all boils down
Speaker 1: to who enters the race and if someone that we
Speaker 1: don't expect becomes available as a head coach or more
Speaker 1: coordinators pop up between now and then, I mean, what
Speaker 1: what what does it say about the Bears if it
Speaker 1: doesn't entice you to maybe look around? What is your
Speaker 1: ceiling in Chicago? By the way, the Bucks? Who are
Speaker 1: you know? In the standings at Chiefs versus Seahawks, at
Speaker 1: Chargers versus Saints at Cowboys at Saints by I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean every game, no matter who they're playing. As
Speaker 1: a coin flip, oh, if they win two of those games,
Speaker 1: I would be stunned. I mean, I think the over
Speaker 1: under is half a game. What I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: have you watched there? Really turned on your bucks tape. Greg,
Speaker 1: we talked about this, I don't want to slide back
Speaker 1: saying those are good teams at Kansas City, that's at
Speaker 1: you know, you know the Seahawks, that's Gregg has a
Speaker 1: very questionable past that the three of us have simply
Speaker 1: overlooked to allow this podcast to go on without an
Speaker 1: investigation attached to it. You have worked very hard and
Speaker 1: we're all very proud of you. We just don't want
Speaker 1: to slide This is almost as fictional as Dan's Coletown roots.
Speaker 1: Did I tell you that I had a pet and
Speaker 1: it was a Canarrea? Enough said NCST Talk. Captain Zero's
Speaker 1: got two game winning kicks in his career. He'll try
Speaker 1: for a third. Here here's the snap spot kick on
Speaker 1: the way. It is up and it is good. It
Speaker 1: is good, and the Cardinals have wanted a big win
Speaker 1: for Arizona to get back to four four and one
Speaker 1: on the season. Chandler Canta Zero, Canta Zero, you must
Speaker 1: have been green with envy at his casual drop of
Speaker 1: Captain Zero. Captain zero is what it was, Channeler Cata
Speaker 1: and Zero didn't miss this time. The kicker swung the
Speaker 1: leg and converted on the thirty four at field goal
Speaker 1: as time expired, lifting the Cardinals to a desperately needed
Speaker 1: win over the feeble San Francisco forty Niners. Mark The
Speaker 1: Cardinals got back to five hundred, but well handed out lollipops.
Speaker 1: We're needing sixty minutes to knock off the Niners. I'm
Speaker 1: just not gonna do it. You want a lollipop, go
Speaker 1: get it for somebody else, maybe that kindly grandfather Gene
Speaker 1: Decker off of w FUS, But it ain't coming from
Speaker 1: the around the nflpod. If Gene is handing it out,
Speaker 1: that's one option. You're gonna need to be buying your
Speaker 1: own candy and thank you pieces to yourself at this
Speaker 1: point your four four and one. And I understand the
Speaker 1: NFC is a big disaster outside of two or three teams,
Speaker 1: but I I don't know what the Cardinals. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was not the win that you would would say
Speaker 1: as an impressive when I need to go back and
Speaker 1: watch it and full, but just looking at it from
Speaker 1: a bird's eye view, give me more. I think there's
Speaker 1: the low point of their season. I mean not really.
Speaker 1: Because you get a win, you feel good, but in
Speaker 1: terms of how I feel about the Cardinals, which and
Speaker 1: how maybe we should look at the Cardinals. I think
Speaker 1: it's as bad a result as they've had to score
Speaker 1: three points in the second half against the forty Niners
Speaker 1: and have it come down to a last second drive
Speaker 1: for your second half drives to be fumble, punt interception,
Speaker 1: punt interception and then the field goal, which they did
Speaker 1: pull off to win the game. That's good against the
Speaker 1: forty Niners. That's just it's crazy. But one question, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Niners have been the run defense has been such
Speaker 1: a massive disaster. David Johnson two point nine yards per carry,
Speaker 1: held a fifty five yards. This is arguably the best
Speaker 1: running back in football. You still you still had an
Speaker 1: impact the hundred total yards and two touchdowns. Well, he
Speaker 1: always finds a way through the air to do just
Speaker 1: as much as he does on the ground. To wait
Speaker 1: for game pass to see. But the offensive line was
Speaker 1: the issue at Carolina before the bye. There were no
Speaker 1: holes for him. He was getting hit in the backfield.
Speaker 1: It's not on David Johnson. One of the reasons I
Speaker 1: wanted to fork the Cardinals. Look at their schedule. They
Speaker 1: close out with five of seven games on the road,
Speaker 1: the easy stuff, those road games. Maybe next week at Minnesota,
Speaker 1: which plays a lot tougher in their new home stadium.
Speaker 1: This is when they needed uh. They won, and NFL
Speaker 1: players will tell you they don't care how the winds come.
Speaker 1: They got to win and they move on. But this
Speaker 1: one I would have been good to have, you know,
Speaker 1: a nice thirty seven to six win where everybody is
Speaker 1: flying and you're getting a little swagger back, and then
Speaker 1: you go to Minnesota and try to knock that team off.
Speaker 1: But where coming out of this game, where is the confidence?
Speaker 1: I would think it's not any better or worse than
Speaker 1: it was before. The line is this much of an issue?
Speaker 1: And it's been, you know, for a number of teams
Speaker 1: in this division. Seattle's found a way around it for
Speaker 1: the most part. But if you're Arizona and it's crippling
Speaker 1: your offense to that degree, what what are we're gonna
Speaker 1: You're gonna win a couple more games and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be over. Let's move on, which takes us to Sunday night.
Speaker 1: Sunday Night, a great Sunday of football, ends with another
Speaker 1: tremendous game. The Seattle Seahawks on the oade at Foxboro.
Speaker 1: Uh go ahead by a touchdown with with four minutes
Speaker 1: to play, I decided to go for two. Do not
Speaker 1: convert puts the Patriots in a spot where they can
Speaker 1: march down the field and tie the game with a
Speaker 1: touchdown and and an extra point. The Pats go all
Speaker 1: the way down the field to the doorstep to the
Speaker 1: goal line. They can't get on first down, second down,
Speaker 1: third down, which led us to the final play of
Speaker 1: the Patriots game. On offense, and this is what it
Speaker 1: sounded like. Gronkowski lines up as the full back now
Speaker 1: splits out all kinds of action in the end zone.
Speaker 1: They look for a flag. They see none. Chancellor with
Speaker 1: a coverage and Seattle's gonna win it. What a finish
Speaker 1: rob Gronkowski cannot pull in the pass. Uh. You know, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know how we'll talk about whether or not
Speaker 1: there should have been a flag on the play. But
Speaker 1: the final score thirty one to twenty four. The Seahawks
Speaker 1: takedown the New England Patriots and Chris Westlan takedown one
Speaker 1: of your Sandwich props from just last week. Their first
Speaker 1: loss under Tom Brady. They fall to seven and two.
Speaker 1: See I was waiting for Sydney's drop at the beginning
Speaker 1: of a long losing street. Uh why would you say that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I did lose that sandwich wager, as
Speaker 1: I have all sandwich wagers so far this year. Uh.
Speaker 1: As far as the call at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: grounk initiated the contact, thenk cam Chancellor grabbed his arms.
Speaker 1: I think you could have called that any one of
Speaker 1: three ways and it would have been fine. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it calls the right call there when when
Speaker 1: there's that much contact. That's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to throw that play in
Speaker 1: that situation. I guess you could argue, okay, maybe you
Speaker 1: could get a flag and then you get an extra play,
Speaker 1: But to me, that's a low percentage play. The last
Speaker 1: two play calls were curious. I know Brady has a
Speaker 1: great history with sneaky in the ball. It makes sense
Speaker 1: to me on first down that they did it. They
Speaker 1: were trying to, you know, rush it. They maybe were
Speaker 1: trying to burn a little clock or make the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: you know, waste the time out if it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: But those two blast plays where low percentage plays on
Speaker 1: the goal, what would you have liked to see um
Speaker 1: not saying this in a challenging manner, but what would
Speaker 1: you gart I would have liked to see him run
Speaker 1: four down more than one time from the one yard
Speaker 1: line in fourth place? What about the fourth down though?
Speaker 1: You want to run blood fourth down? Interesting? Well, he
Speaker 1: got very close. I mean he got within a whisper
Speaker 1: and sent him right over the top again. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you know he what is that knocks him
Speaker 1: down from one to nine percent conversion rate on the sneak.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind that call either. They just didn't get
Speaker 1: it done. Didn't get it done. And uh, you have
Speaker 1: to like where the Seahawks are sitting on a night
Speaker 1: where c J. Precise emerged as a new weapon for
Speaker 1: this offense. They're a second half team every year anyway,
Speaker 1: and now you've got Precise, who goes with a hunt
Speaker 1: and fifty yards and he allows them to do things
Speaker 1: that Kristen Michael doesn't do. Kristin Michael doesn't run routes.
Speaker 1: You can line them up outside, but he's just running straight.
Speaker 1: He's not running routes like c J. Prosise does. Seahawks
Speaker 1: had four and twenty yards and ten drives. So that
Speaker 1: continues their rebirth, if you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Russell Wilson was all the way
Speaker 1: back last week. People think I want to see a
Speaker 1: little more runny. I mean, he was electric against Buffalo.
Speaker 1: He was electric delivering the ball, uh tonight. And they're
Speaker 1: a past first team, I think. And when they get
Speaker 1: Thomas Rawls back, if he's like Thomas Rawls and you
Speaker 1: have Michael you can use in certain situations, they'll be
Speaker 1: able to run the ball enough. But they're a pass
Speaker 1: first team in this in this Patriots defense. Any concerns
Speaker 1: I had going into the game, obviously they're heightened now
Speaker 1: after this one. Well, it's a good thing that you
Speaker 1: dub Jamie Collins. I mean, it's just a bit now, Sydney,
Speaker 1: is it really fresh or funny? It was always? Is
Speaker 1: it really that? Is it really that dynamic or an inventive?
Speaker 1: At this point? It's funny. It's pretty good. It's funny.
Speaker 1: This is helping, that's helping the bait. Let's just go ahead, Sydney.
Speaker 1: You want to play it again. That's the most smug
Speaker 1: look I've ever seen on Sydney's face. Like it, I
Speaker 1: think we just got a little attitude behind the glass
Speaker 1: Seahawks schedule. Think about what these teams really are coming up?
Speaker 1: Eagles next week, that's interesting. Then the Bucks a stink fest,
Speaker 1: the Panthers, who everyone still wants to call an NFC
Speaker 1: playoff team but are not. The Packers who are mean,
Speaker 1: the Rams who are a mess, card Rules who are
Speaker 1: a mess. And they closed with the forty Niners. Just
Speaker 1: let him go, Just let him go. They could wind
Speaker 1: up walking away with the number one seed in the
Speaker 1: NFC if Dallas crumbled. But Dallas to me, Dallas in Seattle,
Speaker 1: that's a fascinating You want to talk about the teams
Speaker 1: that are for real. That's two NFC teams that are
Speaker 1: for really, two back to back great games. When's the
Speaker 1: last time you saw a four four o'clock game lead
Speaker 1: into the Sunday night game and two of the best
Speaker 1: games of the season. I mean that that staff they
Speaker 1: showed that the first week in NFL history, with two
Speaker 1: games of seven lead changes, there wasn't an eighth. I mean,
Speaker 1: the odds of the Patriots not scoring there once they're
Speaker 1: on the one yard line with forty five seconds to
Speaker 1: go are pretty low. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the odds would be. It almost makes it a little
Speaker 1: too cute and a little too obvious for everyone writing
Speaker 1: this game, I mean, flipping Super Bowl around, it's insane.
Speaker 1: You can't write this stuff. Don't don't write that narrative
Speaker 1: the next day. I'm not, but I'm saying that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be it. I mean, it's the exact same game
Speaker 1: is exactly not the exact same, but very similar. Can
Speaker 1: I go back because I think on a big week
Speaker 1: for the Patriots where Donald Trump was elected, very excited
Speaker 1: the leadership on down about Trump's America to to fall
Speaker 1: on Sunday night kind of in direct opposition, But I digress.
Speaker 1: Down at the after the touchdown by Seattle, the third
Speaker 1: touchdown reception from Doug Baldwin, the decision is gonna go
Speaker 1: for two was fascinating by Pete Carroll who uh Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah greg had a good line about it. But the point,
Speaker 1: the chance here was there up seven they had they
Speaker 1: wanted to go up nine to basically with four and
Speaker 1: a half minutes ago, potentially bury New England. But the
Speaker 1: flip side to me was too dangerous. Um too much
Speaker 1: sugar for a dime is a Texan term in this case,
Speaker 1: Uh that you leave it at seven if you miss
Speaker 1: And indeed, since this was Sunday of week ten, where
Speaker 1: everyone misses every two point conversion over six today in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: uh that that they left the door open. I didn't
Speaker 1: like that move. Greg. You let your best player, who's
Speaker 1: playing an electric, almost perfect second half, try to put
Speaker 1: the game away right there in Foxboro four minutes left.
Speaker 1: I always like putting the ball in the hands of
Speaker 1: your best player and then you know your defense can
Speaker 1: go win the game for you if it doesn't work out.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's what they did. Well, they
Speaker 1: stopped him at the goal line, So we know we'll
Speaker 1: never really I guess no on some level, but um,
Speaker 1: we did capture NBC captured Bill Belichick mouthing, uh two
Speaker 1: people in his headset why would they go for two?
Speaker 1: So Belichick certainly wasn't expecting that. Well, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I I see why a lot of people wouldn't be
Speaker 1: expecting it, or would you know, strug it off as
Speaker 1: an ill decision. But Seattle's just always sort of done
Speaker 1: things on the field, with Pete Carroll up in the
Speaker 1: front office, with their entire operation that they're their own way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that they had they nailed that
Speaker 1: two point conversion, we would be hailing Pete Carroll for
Speaker 1: being total. I was first guessing it. I didn't like
Speaker 1: it before they did it, and then it just looked
Speaker 1: even if they if you if you get it, the
Speaker 1: game is over. Basically, don't think it made sense. What
Speaker 1: was the worst case? Worst case scenario is you don't
Speaker 1: put New England in a position where they score a
Speaker 1: touchdown and then they have to convert to which is
Speaker 1: not a gimme in this league, as I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a move though, that speaks to a greater confidence,
Speaker 1: which is partly why the Seahawks are who they are,
Speaker 1: because they're gonna go for it. They're gonna do things
Speaker 1: a little unconventionally. It's the same reason why Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: can trade away Jamie Collins in the middle of the
Speaker 1: season and there's a lot of people mouthing on the phone,
Speaker 1: a lot worse things than why would they do that?
Speaker 1: It makes they were they were mouth and some f bombs?
Speaker 1: Why why why would they change Jamie Collins? Why do
Speaker 1: you gotta Land and Roberts covering down the field? It's
Speaker 1: because you have a certain confidence of the way you're
Speaker 1: gonna do things, and over time, I think that that
Speaker 1: affects your team. Can you unpack too much sugar for
Speaker 1: a dime? No, I don't do something I've heard from
Speaker 1: my my mother in law and my wife many times.
Speaker 1: They need to update some phrases. I mean, even for
Speaker 1: just what money gets you these days, sugar for a dime.
Speaker 1: There isn't a human you know that is under the
Speaker 1: age of thirty five or forty that that makes any
Speaker 1: sense to um this. This will sound like a Throne
Speaker 1: of Sleeves type of take take care. But maybe it's
Speaker 1: not the worst thing in the world for the Patriots
Speaker 1: to lose the game and for Bill bell because I
Speaker 1: think Bill Belichick was pretty upset about this defense. And
Speaker 1: I think you saw it again and and maybe they
Speaker 1: are going to improve. Maybe they aren't. They traditionally finished strong, uh,
Speaker 1: and I think they'll get better. But maybe this is
Speaker 1: one of those games that he can get it through
Speaker 1: to his guys that they're not that good on defense. Uh. Correction,
Speaker 1: too much sugar for a dime is something that is
Speaker 1: more trouble than it's worth. That's just the the phrasing
Speaker 1: in Texas and other places. I don't know where else,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. One one last thing I have
Speaker 1: for this game. Uh, the best quarterback in the field
Speaker 1: was not Tom Brady. Tom Brady had a great game.
Speaker 1: Tom made some nice throws. He mad, he dropped some
Speaker 1: absolute perfect throws. Tommy didn't throw a touchdown today. Uh,
Speaker 1: Tommy threw a pick. Tommy's fascerating was south of a hundred.
Speaker 1: And that's what I call a hashtag. This is the
Speaker 1: game that you're going to attempt to This is all
Speaker 1: I have. You're gonna attempt to angle your movement around
Speaker 1: this game. You're in big trouble. I thought you abandoned
Speaker 1: that movie. I know so since la Garett Blunt had
Speaker 1: three short touchdowns on drives that Tom Brady led down
Speaker 1: the field with beautiful passes, then he didn't have a
Speaker 1: good night. That movement is a derelict cabin in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods with weeds growing all over and
Speaker 1: nature reclaiming it as its own. First thing. First and
Speaker 1: goal just outside the end zone. Cannot convert. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a better quarterback does. That's all I'm say. I mean, Dan,
Speaker 1: you're now a father of two. It's time to see
Speaker 1: things with clear eyes, and you refuse to do that.
Speaker 1: You live in a false world. Do it for your family, guys,
Speaker 1: watch your little game pass extra, where goes our fourteen?
Speaker 1: And then you tell me, listen, I'm not pleased about that.
Speaker 1: Who was the better quarterback on this day? That's all
Speaker 1: I got, That's all we got. And I'm sorry, Greg,
Speaker 1: if I got a little carried away watching the game
Speaker 1: in the second half, I don't like to like well
Speaker 1: all then on people's radars, it would have been fine,
Speaker 1: except you announced to the room you know what, Greg,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna soften my approach and just not seeing anything more.
Speaker 1: And then you dig right into a myriad of diet
Speaker 1: tribes pretending to be Belichick, pretending to do you know,
Speaker 1: you just started to sing, But it was with myself.
Speaker 1: It's one of the day. That's one of those things
Speaker 1: you just file away and you knowed it and the
Speaker 1: next time you know, the the Jets or the Browns
Speaker 1: are in irrelevant primetime game. Why am I? I'll bring
Speaker 1: it up? Why am I involved? I didn't say a
Speaker 1: single word during that broadcast to you is awfully generous
Speaker 1: for the Jets. You guys. You guys know it all.
Speaker 1: It must be cool to know everything. Um, the geniuses. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can see everything and are including in that listen.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about you like West, I quit
Speaker 1: my team so I can just make these type of
Speaker 1: judgments on other people's favorites and guys like oh, I'll
Speaker 1: file that away and miss their throne. You don't get this,
Speaker 1: that break my team? My team quit me? Well, agree
Speaker 1: to this. This is out of things to say when
Speaker 1: he just there, it's going, Oh the experts running around anyway,
Speaker 1: he made some good points. It was a great game.
Speaker 1: It was a great Sunday night and a great week
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