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Speaker 1: back to the top and take a look at what
Speaker 1: happened on Monday night. Yes, these are special times in Chicago.
Speaker 1: The Cubs are still fighting for a World Series title,
Speaker 1: down three games the two as we tape this, with
Speaker 1: another game uh coming up tonight in Cleveland. And then
Speaker 1: there is the Bears, the Chicago football franchise who at
Speaker 1: home knocked off the Minnesota Vikings ten on Monday night.
Speaker 1: Uh twenty to ten is the final score was really
Speaker 1: twenty three UH three until late in the game. The
Speaker 1: Bears dominated this when j Cutler threw for two and
Speaker 1: fifty two yards and a touchdown in his first game
Speaker 1: back from a thumb injury, Jordan Howard ran for a
Speaker 1: career high a hundred and fifty three yards and a
Speaker 1: touchdown UH and Sam Bradford once again took a beating
Speaker 1: sack five times. The Vikings lose their second straight game. UM,
Speaker 1: West will start with you on this one. What did
Speaker 1: you see in this game? On both sides? So a
Speaker 1: Vikings team that for the second week in a row,
Speaker 1: could not protect Sam Bradford, could not give him time
Speaker 1: to go through his progressions, and it basically uh sabotage
Speaker 1: the entire offense. And I think the worrisome part, if
Speaker 1: you're a Vikings fan, not just the offensive line, but
Speaker 1: that the defense might have buckled under the weight of
Speaker 1: carrying the offense. I think that the defense buckling. They
Speaker 1: miss Andrewson dajo It's safety, which I would not have expected.
Speaker 1: But on that first huge run by Jordan Howard, the
Speaker 1: backup j Ron Curse, who's a seventh round rookie, was
Speaker 1: completely out of place and that was just the start
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, there are obvious issues with the
Speaker 1: Vikings right now. I couldn't help I I I was
Speaker 1: out trick or treating with the kids last night so
Speaker 1: didn't watch much of this live, but coming in today
Speaker 1: and rewatching it, I couldn't help. But wonder is this
Speaker 1: not similar to some of the issues that we saw
Speaker 1: earlier in the year with the Rams offense, where when
Speaker 1: you cannot run the ball at all, and on top
Speaker 1: of it, they have a much much worse protection system
Speaker 1: right now than the Rams do. You are a sitting
Speaker 1: duck on that side of the ball. You can't pass
Speaker 1: the ball, and it's what they Bradford looked decent early
Speaker 1: on is withered up. Well. They don't have a running
Speaker 1: game either. Their offensive line is bad run blocking. They
Speaker 1: don't have Derreck McKinnon in the lineup right now. I
Speaker 1: don't think the offense has changed much. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was the lowest scoring offense in the league when they
Speaker 1: were five and oh just about literally they had scored
Speaker 1: the fewest touchdowns of anyone in the league. The different
Speaker 1: is they're not getting special teams play and the offensive
Speaker 1: line play, which was bad all along. They're not hitting
Speaker 1: the couple of plays that you do have a chance
Speaker 1: to make. I mean, Sam Bradford had an open Stefen
Speaker 1: Diggs early in the game. I don't think Bradford played poorly,
Speaker 1: but he had an open Stefon Digs about three steps
Speaker 1: behind Tracy Porter early in the game wide up. Maybe
Speaker 1: it hit that play. Maybe it's a different game. They
Speaker 1: need to play from ahead. It's a team with such
Speaker 1: a small margin for error to get dominated by by
Speaker 1: the Bears is crazy to say that the office hasn't
Speaker 1: changed months. I think that's ridiculous when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the last two defenses. I've had twenty six quarterback hits,
Speaker 1: eleven sacks, twelve talk tackles. They led the league in
Speaker 1: sacks and hits given up in the first final, and
Speaker 1: it's gone. It's gone way worse over the last two games.
Speaker 1: I think that the offensive line is much worse than
Speaker 1: it was earlier. Jake Long has been an absolute mess,
Speaker 1: and I think that the difference to one game, that's
Speaker 1: what the difference is that the chemistry between Bradford and
Speaker 1: of On Diggs and Kyle Rudolph earlier in the year
Speaker 1: was not present last week, and it's not present last night,
Speaker 1: that the passing game is completely out of sync with
Speaker 1: the absolute absence of a run game. There's the question
Speaker 1: I'll ask here, is this now the Vikings for five
Speaker 1: and oh, and now they're five and two. Is this
Speaker 1: a bump in the road for this team or are
Speaker 1: they this for this year's Falcons, the team that everyone
Speaker 1: got pumped up about. I think the Falcons were six
Speaker 1: and oh last year and then they come crashing down
Speaker 1: to earth and then you look at the end of
Speaker 1: the season they have eight or nine wins. Is that
Speaker 1: Are we in the situation here where the Vikings can
Speaker 1: become that team? This Vikings defense is the uptil the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks was much better than anything the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons were doing last year during the six and
Speaker 1: oh start that I think we saw through in this studio.
Speaker 1: I think the six and two Raiders have much more
Speaker 1: in common with last year's Falcons. I think the Vikings
Speaker 1: have shown too much toughness, too much talent, too much
Speaker 1: heart to really doubt. I'm not worried about them as
Speaker 1: the team of a t L at all. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have the times like this. These two games are on
Speaker 1: the road. I think they have a home field advantage.
Speaker 1: I think they have to play a certain sort of
Speaker 1: way when I when I'm saying the offense hasn't changed much,
Speaker 1: My point was just they were one of the worst
Speaker 1: offenses in the league throughout one of the worst running
Speaker 1: games in the league throughout. The defense was the huge concern.
Speaker 1: Last thing. I mean, Jay Cutler looked fantastic. He picked
Speaker 1: them apart. We haven't seen that kind of game from
Speaker 1: the defense from them at all. This was really just
Speaker 1: one game. I'm willing to flush that out. Defense played
Speaker 1: unbelievable Philadelphia. The difference between their offense earlier season is
Speaker 1: it was relatively inefficient, not now now it's inept. That's
Speaker 1: a huge difference, inefficient versus inept. Well, and the difference
Speaker 1: for me is, I didn't you know Dalla Logans, who
Speaker 1: gets you know, cut to pieces in this podcast. Studio
Speaker 1: put together a great game plan last night and counteracted
Speaker 1: any sort of blitz that you were going to get
Speaker 1: from Minnesota with quick strikes, shuttle passage like a little
Speaker 1: tips to Jordan Howard getting the ball out quick. Color
Speaker 1: is certainly far from perfect, but they made the most
Speaker 1: of what was given to him last night, and the
Speaker 1: defense was as much of a concern as the offensive.
Speaker 1: Me we I mean, we killed by the way pronunciations loggins,
Speaker 1: but we get nobody trashes the Bears more than this podcast.
Speaker 1: So for them to utterly outplay the Vikings here and
Speaker 1: I guess, all right, maybe they're not going to collapse
Speaker 1: all right. And by the way, I I have to
Speaker 1: say the ball was taken and run with a little
Speaker 1: bit by our audience. Uh they were, I got I
Speaker 1: would say a hundred tweets last night. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you didn't. I mean, it was unbelievable. The mute
Speaker 1: button was in full effects, as it should be. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody got a calm down a little bit. I did.
Speaker 1: I challenged the Bears to show up on Monday night. Uh,
Speaker 1: that didn't go over that well in the studio. But
Speaker 1: I am still rooting for the Vikings as the team
Speaker 1: of a t L here, even if I do think
Speaker 1: the Raiders are exciting and continue to be exciting while
Speaker 1: the Vikings are showing some issues here. But what if
Speaker 1: what about the idea here that the Vikings are like
Speaker 1: so many other teams in the NFL and not special
Speaker 1: in the sense that they're gonna be good at home.
Speaker 1: They're gonna probably go six and two or seven and
Speaker 1: one at home and then play five or worse on
Speaker 1: the road and end up being just another team as
Speaker 1: opposed to how everyone saw them a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: which was this could be a twelve win team, this
Speaker 1: could be a number one seed. That type of view.
Speaker 1: I think that's very fair, and it was notable to me.
Speaker 1: Look at we all were the one thing we've established
Speaker 1: with a team of a t L. It is very
Speaker 1: clear that four people in here see the team of
Speaker 1: a t L and unique different ways, and we struggled
Speaker 1: to all you maybe agree on the same level with
Speaker 1: the vikings, but how many people last night tweeting seemed
Speaker 1: to enjoy the failure of potentially the team of a
Speaker 1: t L. And it it It threw me back a
Speaker 1: little bit because I would say most of the people
Speaker 1: that we interact with I personally are wonderful, but the
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't view this through the same
Speaker 1: lengths some of these people that are killing me because
Speaker 1: this isn't an apparent super Bowl team And whatever the
Speaker 1: fragrant uh memory of when a couple weeks ago we
Speaker 1: all got on board with this. They seem to enjoy
Speaker 1: the infighting aspect of it is too as as well,
Speaker 1: and I'm not signing up for that. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't need this team to race to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 1: It's simply not important enough. One thing. They do need
Speaker 1: to play better though if we I'm not disagreeing with that,
Speaker 1: but but they're gonna have come on. Even you said
Speaker 1: they looked like maybe they could be at twelve and
Speaker 1: four team, Well, to do that, you gotta lose four times.
Speaker 1: So they've lost a couple of times. I think they
Speaker 1: were always a team that's gonna have some big time dips.
Speaker 1: Like it wouldn't surprise me if they're sitting there at
Speaker 1: ten and five and they have to gut out a
Speaker 1: win to win the division and then you win a
Speaker 1: couple of playoff game. But that's exciting in terms of
Speaker 1: a team that's without Teddy Bridgewater, without Edrian Peterson. One
Speaker 1: of the things I've learned in the past decade of
Speaker 1: doing this is that NFL fans short for fanatics or
Speaker 1: prisoners of the moment. They have no ability to look
Speaker 1: at the past and provide perspective. They have no ability
Speaker 1: to look at the future and anticipate everything's an emergency
Speaker 1: in the present, and that's what the majority of our
Speaker 1: tweets are. Uh um, all right, So that's the Monday
Speaker 1: night game. Oh by the way, I just we gotta
Speaker 1: at least say Jake Cutler. You know, three times a
Speaker 1: year he's gonna show up, or once a year he's
Speaker 1: gonna show in prime time and play outstanding. He played fantastic,
Speaker 1: So he just then he gets everyone thinking he could
Speaker 1: do that again. It won't happen again. Talking about him
Speaker 1: winding up on the Jets, and you sounded quite excited about.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the Jets fan is going to be
Speaker 1: the Jets quarterback. I just the only thing West you
Speaker 1: don't like him, And I understand why you don't like him.
Speaker 1: You think he's a flood player and not a leader,
Speaker 1: and I totally get that, But we gotta give him
Speaker 1: credit if he's making plays against the d one fantastic
Speaker 1: game here to that you watched last night. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you guys should go all in on Jay Cutler.
Speaker 1: It's a good idea to make him. It was a
Speaker 1: good game plan last night. He played very well and
Speaker 1: he does deserve credit. For that, But let's move wait
Speaker 1: till it's your fan base that turns against him after
Speaker 1: three games. I certainly don't want Jay Cutler on my team.
Speaker 1: By the way, outside Jeffrey might be like the why
Speaker 1: receiver version of Jake Cutler. You just get a bad,
Speaker 1: bad vibe about him, especially when he's getting hit in
Speaker 1: the helmet half the time. That could be tied to
Speaker 1: the fact that his quarterback is Ja Cutler and Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer free Elshon Jefferies when I say, hey, why don't
Speaker 1: we do some news? Said after I told him I
Speaker 1: was gonna eat his kids, you never said another word.
Speaker 1: That was Derek wolf the Broncos defensive end, talking about
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. I always thought that like talking about eating
Speaker 1: children or anything about the kids would be off limits.
Speaker 1: I figured, like wife talk is probably off limits, and
Speaker 1: certainly kids talk would be off limits. But Derek Wolfe
Speaker 1: threatening to eat Philip Rivers, uh large collection of children? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can get why that could ruin a relationship, that
Speaker 1: that would be a full meal, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: eat all those kids, a lot of them. It's thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you a resident food chi some hot take got
Speaker 1: kid eating. You're my resident kid, evening guy, I always
Speaker 1: look at to look to you in times like these. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's start with a big trade in the a f C.
Speaker 1: And uh oh and involves uh, we gotta take a
Speaker 1: trip to the throne. What kind of trip it seems nice? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: then waiting to air this one out again? Well, no,
Speaker 1: that is that huh oh the Cleveland brown it's Jamie
Speaker 1: Collins's relevance right there. Wow, there we go, Greg, The
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns make the first big move and only big
Speaker 1: move of the trade deadline week. Uh. They acquired Patriots
Speaker 1: star linebacker Jamie Collins uh for compensatory draft pick um
Speaker 1: currently slated to be a third round selection according to
Speaker 1: rap Sheet. The Browns later confirmed the trade. Currently the
Speaker 1: deals for a two thousand eighteen fourth round ound selection.
Speaker 1: So Jamie Collins, who was widely viewed is the best,
Speaker 1: if not one of the best players on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the football on Patriot Way, shipped out of
Speaker 1: town h a ten cents on the dollar. Greg Rose,
Speaker 1: withtal you wrote up a Winners and Losers piece makes
Speaker 1: sense of the deal here? Greg, there is no making sense.
Speaker 1: It's inexplicable. I mean, you can listen to what Michael Lombardi,
Speaker 1: who was an assistant to the coaching staff, has said,
Speaker 1: which you can basically take for what the Patriots view
Speaker 1: of this is that he hasn't been playing as hard,
Speaker 1: maybe not following assignments, but it's still inexplicable because he's
Speaker 1: making a lot of plays. He's one of he's been
Speaker 1: a second team All Pro last year, and you decided
Speaker 1: we just don't want him. I mean, they basically decide,
Speaker 1: we gotta get this guy off our team. We don't
Speaker 1: care what we get back for him. That to me
Speaker 1: was the statement, because the third round compensatory pick, it's
Speaker 1: not great. You maybe would get that pick back if
Speaker 1: he left in free agency. Anyways, I mean, walking around here,
Speaker 1: I talked with Daniel Jeremiah, talked with m J D
Speaker 1: and a few other people, and they basically it comes
Speaker 1: down to money. I mean, the big chunk of this
Speaker 1: comes down to money. And I understand when Michae Lombardi
Speaker 1: was saying about the freelance thing. But the Brian Flores,
Speaker 1: the linebacker coach, went on record today he's still with
Speaker 1: the team and was this player's coach said, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say freelancing was an issue. Jamie was a very good
Speaker 1: player for us and made a lot of plays and
Speaker 1: helped to win a lot of ball games and went
Speaker 1: on and right. But I mean, I mean, I the
Speaker 1: thing is, whenever there's a trade that happens, it's the
Speaker 1: player out the door is going to get waxed by
Speaker 1: fans and people. And I I still think that whether
Speaker 1: or not it was, Jamie Collins is a perfect player.
Speaker 1: If you look at where he is on Cleveland's lineup,
Speaker 1: he is immediately heads and tails, no questions, asked the
Speaker 1: best player on their defensive right away for a third
Speaker 1: come a competenstor its competitiontory third round pick. It's it's
Speaker 1: a great ill for Cleveland. I mean, they get an
Speaker 1: exclusive negotiating window with him until February and they can
Speaker 1: try to sign a really top notch player. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is it's surprising to me Bill Belichick thought that
Speaker 1: they just had to get rid of him. He didn't
Speaker 1: just do it because they're not going to pay him
Speaker 1: next year. That's part of it. But you always you
Speaker 1: often keep players that you're not gonna pay next year
Speaker 1: because they're gonna help you win this year. Patriots way
Speaker 1: is kind of a revolting phrase. It's a big turn off.
Speaker 1: But I think more than any coach in the league,
Speaker 1: Belichick has proven over the last two decades that if
Speaker 1: you're not getting with the program exactly, if you have
Speaker 1: potential to be a disruption in the locker room, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna upset the team factor, you're gonna be gone.
Speaker 1: And this trade is the most surprising trade I've seen
Speaker 1: in the NFL since Randy Moss was traded at a
Speaker 1: similar point in the season. Yeah, the difference is Moss
Speaker 1: was getting towards the end of his career. Colin he was,
Speaker 1: but it was shocking because he was still coming off
Speaker 1: yards season or whatever. I mean, Hollins is productive. Now
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm being critical. I think, you know
Speaker 1: I wrote this in the piece. I think there's a
Speaker 1: way that you can kind of have some faith, have
Speaker 1: some trust in what that Bill Belichick knows what he's doing,
Speaker 1: and be totally confused by it. There's no really understanding him.
Speaker 1: But I think they there's no need to praise him,
Speaker 1: but there's also reason to think that he has his
Speaker 1: reasons and he probably more than not it's worked out
Speaker 1: for them, and that as go ahead. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, Take the names out of the equation. Just
Speaker 1: look at the just look at the uniform and the
Speaker 1: guy making the plays. Who's played better over the last
Speaker 1: three weeks, A Landing Roberts or Jamie Collins the last
Speaker 1: three weeks. Probably Roberts. I think that's a factor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. Yeah, they had someone to plug in.
Speaker 1: And I think you're exactly right. Part of it this
Speaker 1: is a this guy wants a big contract. They're already
Speaker 1: talking about him wanting to be paid twelve million plus
Speaker 1: a year in Cleveland, and Cleveland has a ton of
Speaker 1: cap space, and actually is you know, they're forced to
Speaker 1: get to the cap floor, and they may be willing
Speaker 1: to pay certain players a lot of money, maybe more
Speaker 1: than other teams would. Bad teams have to do that.
Speaker 1: New England wouldn't budge. And if you look at the
Speaker 1: list that NFL research put out yesterday of all the
Speaker 1: well known household names that Belichick let go, all amazing players,
Speaker 1: you have an all Pro team right there. But he
Speaker 1: let them go at the right time. That's where the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt comes for Belichick. I just don't
Speaker 1: think it has much to do with money. Ultimately, I
Speaker 1: know there was His contract is part of it, but
Speaker 1: I agree it's a small part of obviously, because they
Speaker 1: probably weren't going to resign him. But unless there was
Speaker 1: a real reason, whether he was a cancer or you know,
Speaker 1: the talk of him freelancing, or they just did not
Speaker 1: think he was playing well enough, they made the decision
Speaker 1: to move him out in a year. And I know
Speaker 1: we joke about on this podcast all the time. Still
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old quarterback window wide for a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a third round pick probably back anyway
Speaker 1: if you let him walk in free agency. There's there's
Speaker 1: more to this story. I would love to hear it,
Speaker 1: but I just don't know if we ever will because
Speaker 1: where it's coming from. Michael Lombardi said, it's a wake
Speaker 1: up call to the locker room there. Even though this
Speaker 1: defense the numbers look good, they've faced pretty bad string
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks so far, and they have. They are I
Speaker 1: think thirty first in prof Profo ball Outsiders Pass rush rankings. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've I've been trying to say it's not a perfect team.
Speaker 1: They are third in points allowed. But I think when
Speaker 1: Lombardi speaks, he's talking to Belichick. He I think they
Speaker 1: are trying to send a wake up call that the
Speaker 1: way they're playing is not good enough. And to Lombardi's credit,
Speaker 1: he has been saying, I know you're rolling your eyes.
Speaker 1: No I'm not. He said for six or seven weeks
Speaker 1: that Collins and high Tower have been a disappointment, and
Speaker 1: I'm listening to him say that, and I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: because I think they're playing pretty well. Like that surprises me.
Speaker 1: And that that is that is a month before this trade,
Speaker 1: that that there was clearly some sort of internal displeasure
Speaker 1: about how hard he plays. That was what Lombardi, That's
Speaker 1: what I think a little bit whenever the Patriots trade.
Speaker 1: And again I just said, they've earned this benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt. But had the Packers made this trade, it
Speaker 1: would be seen a little bit differently. You know, Cleveland
Speaker 1: is night get least in these trades they at all,
Speaker 1: because they also just got a fifth rounder for a
Speaker 1: bar unproductive Barkivas Mingo player who they were going to cut.
Speaker 1: So in an end, you've gotten a fifth rounder and
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins from the Browns for barks Mingo. In a
Speaker 1: conditional third that would be a fourth if Alex mac
Speaker 1: gets hurt or something, as as a single person said
Speaker 1: that that it was a bad deal for the Browns.
Speaker 1: Everything there. I agree, but it's a it's a sense
Speaker 1: of the other shoe will drop and we'll find out
Speaker 1: that Jamie Collins is floating around the country on peyote
Speaker 1: or something. It's like, maybe the other shoe doesn't drop,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a good player. And they were moving on.
Speaker 1: Did you hear what Hugh Jackson said in response to
Speaker 1: the freelancing report. Yes, he said, Okay, he can freelance
Speaker 1: for me? Then right, yeah, I mean that he does freeland.
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of big plays freelancing. So does
Speaker 1: Teddy Bruski. So does a lot of good player. You
Speaker 1: go from a fourteen and two defense to one of
Speaker 1: the worst in the league, you're not gonna stand out
Speaker 1: the same way. It's gonna take time. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Talk about Jamal Charles, the Chiefs running back who has
Speaker 1: been a mysterious presence on this team UH this season,
Speaker 1: and he has the knee injuries coming back from another
Speaker 1: a C. L. Tair have been worked back slowly. Spencer,
Speaker 1: weare ha essentially taken his role in Now today we
Speaker 1: learned that Jamal Charles has been UH sent to injured reserve,
Speaker 1: which will sideline him at least another eight weeks, and
Speaker 1: you could do the math that there's a good chance
Speaker 1: we've seen the last of Jamal Charles Uh, Greg Mark
Speaker 1: Cessler both UH this season, and there's a good chance
Speaker 1: the last time we see him in Kansas City, Mark
Speaker 1: greg Or Mark Mark will go how about you want
Speaker 1: me to start said happy to Yeah, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's Jamal Charles has not been a productive leading member
Speaker 1: of this offense since and they've found out last year.
Speaker 1: Number one, you win eleven games in a row without him,
Speaker 1: and your running game doesn't really skip a beat with
Speaker 1: Spencer Ware and you've got a solid backup in Shark
Speaker 1: Hendrick West behind him. So you know, at this point
Speaker 1: with the with the whole situation ation with Jamal Charles,
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about months ago this should have
Speaker 1: been a trade candidate potentially for Kansas City, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't healthy, so it was hard to make that move.
Speaker 1: But he's not been in the picture for for a
Speaker 1: long time now. It's not like he's the cornerstone, as
Speaker 1: Damnachek would say, jenga piece as he was viewed back
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, maybe even two thousand thirteen. Still
Speaker 1: a tough end for if this is the last time
Speaker 1: we ever see him. Uh with the Chiefs and a
Speaker 1: guy that really in a lot of ways underrated, one
Speaker 1: of the best running backs of the two thousand tens easily.
Speaker 1: Uh what do you think I mean if this is
Speaker 1: the end of the of the season, I think the
Speaker 1: Chiefs survived, like Mark saying, because they've been getting on
Speaker 1: just well without it. He kind of valued as Jamal Charles.
Speaker 1: Will he have a thirty years old who knows of
Speaker 1: his his knee will ever be right one more contract? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say you'd ever know he could come back.
Speaker 1: This injury, I think gets to how tough it is
Speaker 1: when you have a franchise legend. I guess, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, that that's injured and maybe in
Speaker 1: a secondary role it was it was uncomfortable having Charles
Speaker 1: in that role. I I don't think this will be
Speaker 1: the end from I mean you talked about underrated. He
Speaker 1: is literally the all time leader in yards per carry
Speaker 1: among running backs. He should almost he should almost not
Speaker 1: play again just to get that, because that that's a
Speaker 1: tough stack a guy in two thousand and sixteen. To
Speaker 1: have it would hurt his Hall of Fame chances if
Speaker 1: he never plays again. And in running backs an unforgiving
Speaker 1: position in the NFL, there were we saw when Mark
Speaker 1: and I would grown up in the eighties. You had
Speaker 1: guys like William Andrews, Wilbert Montgomery, Kurt Warner who were
Speaker 1: good like Jamal Charles for a five year window and
Speaker 1: then knee injuries would end their career. Running back is
Speaker 1: so unforgiving. If Jamal Charles had stayed healthy his entire career,
Speaker 1: I think he's a no brainer Hall of Famer. He'll
Speaker 1: definitely get. He'll be brought to another team over the
Speaker 1: off season. If he ends up outside of Kansas City
Speaker 1: and crowed about and crowned before the season even begins.
Speaker 1: Feature back, he could be a Pro Bowler next year.
Speaker 1: Turns thirty in December, and I mean, honestly, the Chiefs also,
Speaker 1: he's only making three point seven five million next year.
Speaker 1: Let's move on a suspension to talk about here. In
Speaker 1: the NFL announced a suspended left tackle Trent Williams of
Speaker 1: the Redskins four games for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Speaker 1: Uh Williams had been previously suspended in two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 1: and the timing here cannot be worse for the Redskins,
Speaker 1: greg as as they're trying to make a playoff push
Speaker 1: here and now they have to do it without their
Speaker 1: their top blindside protector. Yeah. I've been impressed with the
Speaker 1: Redskins offense the last few weeks, but I think they're
Speaker 1: not an offense there an offense that everything needs to
Speaker 1: be going right. I don't think they can just lose.
Speaker 1: Not that many teams could a top notch left tackle
Speaker 1: and everything will just be fine. He's the best player
Speaker 1: on their offense, on their team. He is he He's
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league. He's the
Speaker 1: number one tackle on the mid season All Pro team,
Speaker 1: and he's excellent in running game and the passing game.
Speaker 1: When you watch the Redskins, I think this struck me
Speaker 1: even in September when Kirk Cousin was making mistakes. He's
Speaker 1: got all day to sit back there and go through
Speaker 1: his progressions. I mean, they put him at guard one
Speaker 1: game because they had so much injuries, and he dominated
Speaker 1: a guard. This is a out of nowhere. This isn't
Speaker 1: a guy that you would have thought this was gonna
Speaker 1: happen to Yeah, professionalism right here by by the whole crew,
Speaker 1: because this news came during the podcast, just seamlessly integrated.
Speaker 1: We're absolutely flying. That might be a note to tell
Speaker 1: each other after in an email. Good job, guys, we've
Speaker 1: just you know, telecast that to the entire audience. Let's
Speaker 1: move on and talk about the end of a career
Speaker 1: for one of the greats. Andre Johnson informed the Titans
Speaker 1: on Tuesday that he will retire, ending a fourteen year
Speaker 1: career in the NFL, most of which is glory. You're
Speaker 1: spent in Houston with the Texans, now thirty five years old. Uh,
Speaker 1: he had quiet stops both in Indianapolis and Tennessee. Uh,
Speaker 1: and now decides to step away. Uh. He ends his
Speaker 1: career with over one thousand catches. I don't want to
Speaker 1: short him one thousand, sixty two Uh, fourteen thousand, one
Speaker 1: eighty five yards and seventy touchdowns. Chris Westling no playoff
Speaker 1: glory really to speak of. Kind of was tucked away
Speaker 1: on some teams that aren't always on the radar. But
Speaker 1: is this a Hall of Fame player? I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any doubt he passes the test for transcendent peak
Speaker 1: and longevity and if you read marks excellent uh recap
Speaker 1: of of of of his retirement from the other day.
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne is a contemporary of Andre Johnson's. A lot
Speaker 1: of people put them in the same category. Reggie Wayne
Speaker 1: Copp passes from Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Here's who
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson Copp passes from David Carr, Tony Banks, Dave
Speaker 1: are gone save Rosenfeld's. Is that Greg's dad? Yes, they've
Speaker 1: were gone, could not have been in for too long.
Speaker 1: But j Yates's keenum and match up my varsity baseball team.
Speaker 1: That's Greg. We're going sorry so anyway, Yeah, And this
Speaker 1: guy from two thousand four to two thousand fourteen ranked
Speaker 1: first in the NFL and receptions and receiving yards with
Speaker 1: those guys throwing to him, and from two thousands seven
Speaker 1: two thousand ten was right there with Larry Fitzgerald as
Speaker 1: the best receiver in the NFL. Charlie Castley, who drafted
Speaker 1: him in two thousand three on NFL Network, had no
Speaker 1: problem saying that he was a better player ultimately than
Speaker 1: Arton Monk, who was within Washington. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any doubt, And he compared him and said he was
Speaker 1: up there with Jerry Rice, that their circumstances were different.
Speaker 1: Now that a lot of people would just based on
Speaker 1: you know, human experience and what you watched those Niners teams,
Speaker 1: you'd have a hard time sitting with that one. But
Speaker 1: the idea that there's any debate that he'd be in
Speaker 1: the hall. Look, you just put Andre read in. Yeah
Speaker 1: that changes the Hall of Fame thing is wacky. But
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson should just be carried in there. Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: the last the last two big years he had in Houston.
Speaker 1: That's what put him in. What hurt him was the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and then he had two seasons in his prime
Speaker 1: cut in half by injuries. And he would come back
Speaker 1: the next year and he led the league in receiving
Speaker 1: twice in a row. He led the league in receptions.
Speaker 1: You know, he led the league in yards per game plentytime.
Speaker 1: But he had those two seasons cut short in his prime.
Speaker 1: That didn't help. But he was a monster deep into
Speaker 1: his thirties. He was a top top two or three quarters,
Speaker 1: top two or three wide receiver and everyone talks about
Speaker 1: him as the most talented guy on that those University
Speaker 1: of Miami teams, which is wildly talented. He's also the
Speaker 1: best player in Texans history until J. J. Watt came along.
Speaker 1: And one last thing, like people people want to say, oh,
Speaker 1: Terrell Owens, who I also think should be in there
Speaker 1: no questions asking me a break, But there's there's the
Speaker 1: person of Terrell Owens might be causing issues. Everyone that
Speaker 1: ever worked with Andre Johnson said the hardest worker in
Speaker 1: the building and absolute tutor too younger players, So I
Speaker 1: think that there's no argument against it. Read that quote
Speaker 1: from Gary Kubia. Andre Johnson is his fine of a
Speaker 1: combination of man and football player as I've ever been around,
Speaker 1: says Gary Kubia. Wow, whoa, that's a shot at John Elway.
Speaker 1: I mean that's how I that is. As one wide
Speaker 1: receiver goes into retirement, another one comes out Percy Harvin's back. Folks, Uh,
Speaker 1: what a transition. I am in awe that see that one.
Speaker 1: I would not save for the email after the show.
Speaker 1: I'm totally cool with. Well, there's no email after the
Speaker 1: show because we announced all these uh you know, laudits
Speaker 1: and awards right here. Mark. I think you're doing a
Speaker 1: great job so far. In this show. Thank you Mendus. Buddy.
Speaker 1: Percy Harvin has signed a contract with the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 1: The team announced this on Tuesday. Rap Sheet reported that
Speaker 1: Buffalo will pay Harvin one million, including incentives over the
Speaker 1: final eight games of the season, which seems like a
Speaker 1: lot free broken down wide receiver, but the pact reunites
Speaker 1: Harvin in the Bills just seven months after Harvin told
Speaker 1: the team that he wanted to retire. And Greg, this
Speaker 1: is a guy at his height and this starting to
Speaker 1: get a little fuzzy in my own memory right now.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Is an absolute transcendent type talent,
Speaker 1: but now with hip injuries and all everything else, he's
Speaker 1: just he's not that guy anymore. Yeah, he's five years
Speaker 1: removed from his best season in in three years, two
Speaker 1: or three years removed really from being a factor. But
Speaker 1: he's only twenty eight years old. The weird thing, the
Speaker 1: weird thing with this story to me is that it happened,
Speaker 1: rap Sheet reported, because the Bills called him and they
Speaker 1: were basically, hey, you know, you want to come out
Speaker 1: of retirement, and he's like yeah, so like dollars right,
Speaker 1: So if they didn't call him, he was he wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna do it. That's to me, that's concerning. He's just yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so I'll come over. But I might count
Speaker 1: fifteen months removed from being a factor. It's easy to
Speaker 1: forget now. He was the Bill's best receiver in September
Speaker 1: of last season before the hip injuries came down again.
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor loved throwing to him deep and yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: let's say, let's say he isn't shape shape and he
Speaker 1: does that chemistry connects again. But here's the thing. If
Speaker 1: you make him an active participant in your offense, we
Speaker 1: don't have any evidence that his body is gonna hold up.
Speaker 1: So it really does seem to be like a bit
Speaker 1: of a hell Mary move for the offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: they need it. Rex Ryan basically said in quotes, we're
Speaker 1: looking to capture lightning in the bottle. And you know,
Speaker 1: the one thing is it's not a sign. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's not. I mean, I think he's openly saying we
Speaker 1: need someone to come in and make place. Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: is still out until at least week twelve. You know,
Speaker 1: Goodwin is coming off a concussion. Greg salis who's not
Speaker 1: really a huge factor as a growing injury. But you're
Speaker 1: shorthanded a wide receiver. And the weird things that he's retired.
Speaker 1: But they did tuck like they've kept some sort of
Speaker 1: pulse on him over the last year to see where
Speaker 1: his health was. He says he's healthy. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: crazy for him later in the year to make a
Speaker 1: few plays. But it's not gonna happen. They're saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just in time for this rematch with Seattle. I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if he has an impact in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Who knows? I have a bit of a sessler here
Speaker 1: very quietly, about six weeks from now, we'll be doing
Speaker 1: news item about his release. We're six days. I mean
Speaker 1: this is this is a team that's the leader and
Speaker 1: snaps at wide receiver last week. Can anyone guess or
Speaker 1: even the top two? Justin Hunter? Justin Hunter, number one,
Speaker 1: guy who has been released by two different teams in
Speaker 1: the last month. And Walt Powell, good old Walter, Why
Speaker 1: stop here? Bring back Andre Reid, James Lofton, Tom Baby,
Speaker 1: peerless price stop bringing back bros? Could still play. I
Speaker 1: love Derek Molds in his prime. I call us a
Speaker 1: dearth of death. Does that pull your Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: jacket off. If you're Andre Reid and you come back
Speaker 1: in for like a meaningless two games stretch with the
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan Bills, that's like fifth depth of dearth, depth ofirth,
Speaker 1: of depth, dearth of depth, something else they could fit
Speaker 1: in an email after the show. Let's move on. The
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals continue, gentlemen, to have issues. UH. Their left
Speaker 1: tackle Jared belt Here is most likely out for the
Speaker 1: year after suffering torn triceps tendon in his right arm.
Speaker 1: Sent to UH injured reserve. Did they sent Okay? Requires surgery,
Speaker 1: So there's a very good chance you've seen the last
Speaker 1: of their left tackle. And also more injury issues UH
Speaker 1: for the Honey Badger Tyrne Matthew could be signlined anywhere
Speaker 1: between three to six weeks with a shoulder injury. Uh.
Speaker 1: Just another uh setback for the Cardinals, and I think
Speaker 1: West what we might have to do. We must call
Speaker 1: to order, gentlemen, and a more emergency fork session. Lett.
Speaker 1: It's the gavel bang it. We didn't even have time
Speaker 1: to have her coffee in Danish downstairs. It's just this
Speaker 1: has come up. Or get a gavel cavil. We're gonna Hey,
Speaker 1: can I get a gavel soon? Yeah? Screaming, All right,
Speaker 1: here we go, Arizona Cardinals. The reason why we're calling
Speaker 1: this is because Chris Wesling privately approached me about the
Speaker 1: need to do so. So Chris make the case why
Speaker 1: it is time to fork the Cardinals. Chickens have come
Speaker 1: home to roost. They are guilty of mis evaluating their
Speaker 1: own talent. DJ Humphries. They drafted him knowing he'd need
Speaker 1: a red shirt. Ear in my mind, he's been the
Speaker 1: worst right tackle in the NFL this year. He's been awful.
Speaker 1: Brandon Williams, they said all summer their third round rookie
Speaker 1: was gonna be ready to step in at cornerback, basically
Speaker 1: cost them the season opener versus the Patriots when he
Speaker 1: got burnt over and over again. They miss evaluate their
Speaker 1: own talent Jonathan Cooper, another first round pick. Their offensive
Speaker 1: line is the biggest problem on the team right now.
Speaker 1: They whipped on Jonathan Cooper so far they whipped on
Speaker 1: d J. Humphries, and the offensive line is holding the
Speaker 1: team hostage. They cannot compete because of that right side
Speaker 1: of the offensive line, and now they're left tackles gone,
Speaker 1: So the left side of the offensive line. Bell Dere's
Speaker 1: a killer loss for them because of what you said,
Speaker 1: because every team just knows, let's just send the blitz
Speaker 1: is at Arizona. It's rare in the NFL you see
Speaker 1: a team have the same problem week after week after
Speaker 1: week after week, never solve it. People have been blitzing
Speaker 1: them for five weeks running. They have no answers. Well,
Speaker 1: we just talked about the Vikings, and if your offensive
Speaker 1: line breaks down, you know, it's like everything is focused
Speaker 1: on skill position player X is out for two weeks
Speaker 1: and your fantasy team is in trouble find another skill
Speaker 1: position player. But when these lines, and we see it
Speaker 1: throughout the NFC West, crumble this team. This is a
Speaker 1: team that just a couple of months ago we were
Speaker 1: talking about is being up there with the Patriots and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks when it came to team building and how
Speaker 1: above and beyond they were every other club. Here we
Speaker 1: are on the first day of November and we're forking them.
Speaker 1: That hasn't happened. I'm just saying it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: a table. If the Cardinals and Vikings met this week,
Speaker 1: I have no idea who to win the game. But
Speaker 1: The difference between the two is the Vikings jumped out
Speaker 1: to a five and I start and can still get
Speaker 1: in the playoffs with a damaged offensive line. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals can. Might might take care Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: I respect his football acumen and his cult of personality,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I don't want to get
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Oh? His own personality, the
Speaker 1: ability of Westling to to through through fiery speeches and
Speaker 1: knowledge draw people in. Are you calling me a demagogue?
Speaker 1: I mean I believe that west will start a cult
Speaker 1: one day. Well, I have no interesting starting. It's interesting
Speaker 1: because if if anyone was the leader of the Cardinals
Speaker 1: cult on this podcast, I think west would that. He
Speaker 1: definitely was a big Cardiner. I love the Cardinal was
Speaker 1: working my way there, and I'm west is not a
Speaker 1: woman scorned, but certainly west Is will be very disappointed
Speaker 1: that the Cardinal season is going the way it is.
Speaker 1: Uh Now, if I try to look at it, just
Speaker 1: you know, through no filter their three four and one,
Speaker 1: which is not great, but not end of the road.
Speaker 1: They have a bye week to get healthy a little
Speaker 1: bit right now, and then they get the forty niners
Speaker 1: at home, so put that in as a gimme four
Speaker 1: or four and one then back to back bangers. And
Speaker 1: this is where if you want to if you're if
Speaker 1: the Forks about getting ahead of things, you can say,
Speaker 1: okay at Vikings at Falcons, all right, and then if
Speaker 1: you don't think they're any good there four and six.
Speaker 1: But uh, where where are we at on this? I mean,
Speaker 1: do we really think that they're done? Greg? No, I
Speaker 1: don't because of what you talked about team building and
Speaker 1: coaching and some of the talent that's still on this team,
Speaker 1: a very good defense. I think they probably better defensively
Speaker 1: this year so far overall than they were a year ago.
Speaker 1: That's certainly in the same ballpark right now. The six
Speaker 1: seat in the NFC has three losses, you know they're on.
Speaker 1: They're one loss behind that, and uh, I can see
Speaker 1: them scriping out some wins here. I'm not giving up
Speaker 1: on them. I am the biggest Cardinals fan in this podcast,
Speaker 1: am I used to be the biggest Colts fan, And
Speaker 1: when the Colts were a bad, bad team a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, I said for a month straight, the
Speaker 1: Cults are a bad bad team. The Cardinals are a
Speaker 1: bad bad team, right now, and it's because of their
Speaker 1: offensive line, which is a hurdle which they will not
Speaker 1: overcome this season. I've voted fork. I vote the fork
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, Mark Mark, where do you come down on this?
Speaker 1: I mean, my one concern just looking at the West
Speaker 1: and I think that Seattle is a similar issue with
Speaker 1: their own offensive line, maybe to the same not to
Speaker 1: the same degree with the Veltier injury, but but very close.
Speaker 1: And they only have one more win than Arizona right now,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just early in the year. I I'm
Speaker 1: willing to do it because it's fun and it's adventurous
Speaker 1: and I don't really care if I'm wrong, to be honest,
Speaker 1: and so I'll sign up and do it. But they're
Speaker 1: not the first team that I would pin for. Are
Speaker 1: a total collapse from there on out? That might be
Speaker 1: mark your greatest on the fence accomplishment right there the
Speaker 1: way you phrase, well, because I want to go along
Speaker 1: for the ride, I'm not going to stop it because
Speaker 1: I do think that Chris is correct, and I I've
Speaker 1: watched every Cardinals game myself, and this is a far
Speaker 1: cry from last year's team. But I also here's the
Speaker 1: other part, the whole league is a watered down disaster
Speaker 1: outside of two or three teams. So what says the
Speaker 1: Cardinals couldn't listen to our pat Well, No, but the
Speaker 1: Cardinals could win three or four games in unimpressive fashion
Speaker 1: against less impressive team. It could also lose to worst teams.
Speaker 1: What's the point of what's the point of waiting five
Speaker 1: weeks and forking? And then that's what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna be right, let's do it right. It gets
Speaker 1: to the heart of what the fork is about. You know,
Speaker 1: are you totally predicting? Obviously last year we got in trouble.
Speaker 1: We wrong wrong three times. Ultimately, if you push up
Speaker 1: to the to do I think the Cardinals are going
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. No, I mean that's I think
Speaker 1: or nine when you know for a fact there's no
Speaker 1: chance that team could make the playoffs. That's I'm not
Speaker 1: forking them. I think the Cardinals have too many, too
Speaker 1: many things that could go right for them. Where things
Speaker 1: turn around. Chandler Jones is on your all protein, Marcus
Speaker 1: Gold and that defense could carry them. You know, I
Speaker 1: know then the best player in the league, and David
Speaker 1: Johnson one of them. The defense is better this year,
Speaker 1: and there will be several members of the Cardinals in
Speaker 1: the All Pro team. But the offensive line is that bad.
Speaker 1: And it's then combination with a quarterback who doesn't move
Speaker 1: well into pocket anymore, even though he did last year.
Speaker 1: You figure it out, I don't know. So you've got
Speaker 1: to see the Cardinals looking at the rest of their
Speaker 1: schedule losing three or four or five games that we
Speaker 1: absolutely would not expect. I mean today a point, I
Speaker 1: don't expect them to. They have the forty niners, but
Speaker 1: other than that, every other than they play is is
Speaker 1: about this at their level. I think the Redskins are
Speaker 1: better than the Cardinals right now. I see them as well.
Speaker 1: They have that tie, so I could see them as
Speaker 1: the eight seven and one, nine and six and one
Speaker 1: type team. I could see them at six whatever, six
Speaker 1: him one, And we're not giving the Kangle a chance
Speaker 1: to work himself out of this. We love that coach.
Speaker 1: I love him. He's part of the mis evaluation process
Speaker 1: on d J. Humphries and Brandon Williams. He was the
Speaker 1: one telling everyone in August, Brandon Williams is going to
Speaker 1: be one of the best rookies in the league. We
Speaker 1: don't need a veteran cornerback. Something's just not right with this.
Speaker 1: I was talking about the corner I mean, it's you're right,
Speaker 1: the mojo that the I think that's like they were
Speaker 1: so confident that when they got kind of a little
Speaker 1: like the Panthers, when they got smacked around a little bit,
Speaker 1: they were like, wait, what a second, We're not as
Speaker 1: good as we thought. To be clear, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians and Steve kim A doing a bad job.
Speaker 1: They have resurrected that franchise with the help of Michael Bibwell,
Speaker 1: but that they did a bad job this year in
Speaker 1: evaluating their own talent and um, as anyone that listens
Speaker 1: to the show knows, you need a um unanimous vote
Speaker 1: two uh four team. Politically, I didn't even cast a vote,
Speaker 1: but there was already one on Greg's side saying no,
Speaker 1: so there will be no parking today. You already done
Speaker 1: well in this exercise by saving the Dolphins, who would
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Speaker 1: And I won't say a year of our Lord because
Speaker 1: I don't want West to get all excited. I don't
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Speaker 1: I think Lord is a weird name to be throwing around.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you that this guy is gonna
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Speaker 1: on that. All right? Speaking of Chris Westling, a man
Speaker 1: or a god who knows? We'll find out the Chris
Speaker 1: I don't believe in God. All Pro mid season team
Speaker 1: and yes, as West said a banger coming up on
Speaker 1: Wednesday on the the old NFL dot com site. Uh West,
Speaker 1: you put this together? Tell me how you put together
Speaker 1: this team? Uh? Not by stats? It's all by what
Speaker 1: I see on film. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people are gonna argue with the guys, say, like Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley is my slot receiver? Why is he my slot
Speaker 1: receiver over Jarvis lad Dread's been better? Well, Beasley has
Speaker 1: been the number one receiver on the Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: an absolute chain moving machine. So that's why it's all
Speaker 1: based on film. Let me go down the list here
Speaker 1: and we'll start at the cub QB position. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people will be stunned by this,
Speaker 1: but in general, again, it just shows how funny football is.
Speaker 1: You never know, uh to find out. If you would
Speaker 1: have told tell this group back in August that Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan would be West's All Pro quarterback, no one would
Speaker 1: uh would have guessed that. But here he is West
Speaker 1: number one, the ultimate team sport. You can't extract the
Speaker 1: quarterback from his surrounding talent. Last year we tried to
Speaker 1: do that. We tried to throw Matt Ryan under the
Speaker 1: bus and say he wasn't as good as players like
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. He just wasn't as good a quarterback. And
Speaker 1: maybe it was time to admit that Matt Ryan's not
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, and I think that thinking was wronging
Speaker 1: all along he did. All he had was Julio Jones
Speaker 1: last year. Now he has. There are ten guys that
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is calling plays for and use their specific
Speaker 1: talents in that offense, and to Matt Ryan's credit, he's
Speaker 1: dialing them up with more accuracy and a better deep
Speaker 1: ball this year. Anybody think that there should be a
Speaker 1: different quarterback here, Well, the only Matt Ryan makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: And it's the one offseason narrative that I would be
Speaker 1: more willing to look at going forward is that a
Speaker 1: second year with a good coordinator can mean a lot
Speaker 1: for your entire offense. Because we did mention that maybe
Speaker 1: there'll be an uptick in an offense that wasn't very
Speaker 1: effective down the stretch last year. Totally opposite. But if
Speaker 1: we go four weeks from now, would Tom Brady be
Speaker 1: the choice? I mean, what does Tom Brady need to
Speaker 1: do outside of the fact that he missed the games. Well,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be an interesting discussion when the m v
Speaker 1: P race shapes up at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Do Associated Press voters vote for Tom Brady. Let's say
Speaker 1: he doesn't stay at this pace, because if he stays
Speaker 1: at this pace, it's almost like he gives you no choice.
Speaker 1: But let's say he's a he has a better season
Speaker 1: than Matt Ryan. How much do you knock him for
Speaker 1: missing twenty percent of the season. I remember this came
Speaker 1: up when Vic and Brady were the two options late
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten. Vic ended up finishing the season,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was ridiculous. I thought, of course,
Speaker 1: you give it to Brady. You gotta lap the field
Speaker 1: if the other guy misses the well, I think there's
Speaker 1: a big difference between fifty. I agree, I have a
Speaker 1: problem giving it to Tom Brady when he's played four
Speaker 1: of eight games. I won't have a problem giving it
Speaker 1: to him if he maintains something close to what he's
Speaker 1: doing now over twelve of sixteen games. But if if Ryan,
Speaker 1: for instance, stays at this level, and you know, Brady
Speaker 1: comes down a little bit, and you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: give him some credit for playing four extra games and
Speaker 1: playing an unbelievable level. Ryan's not even number one in
Speaker 1: your QB Index. No, Tom Brady is. That's what that's
Speaker 1: a that's a mysterious thing. I do that by average
Speaker 1: game I mean I do have a system for that.
Speaker 1: I do that by whoever has the average game score,
Speaker 1: He's got the highest one. When you look at West's
Speaker 1: all pro list here, I like it surprises you anybody
Speaker 1: that surprises you that to see them on this Well,
Speaker 1: knowing West, he's got certain guys he likes, so there's
Speaker 1: not a lot to argue with us. I wish there
Speaker 1: was no No I'm saying, like Marcus Marcus Peters I
Speaker 1: do not agree with. But it doesn't surprise me because
Speaker 1: I think West, you know, loves Marcus Peters. He's a
Speaker 1: great player. So it's it's not an offensive pick. But
Speaker 1: I think you could have gone with some other cornerbacks
Speaker 1: over Marcus Peters. You could, Yes, I I think Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus and Greg Row and Rosenthal don't put enough
Speaker 1: credit into interceptions and passes defense, And I do k
Speaker 1: likes to scratch. I'm just saying, look, a lot of
Speaker 1: people like to know. It's a lot of people value
Speaker 1: different things differently. Football Focus also values garbage time passing
Speaker 1: numbers the same way they do with the game on
Speaker 1: the line, right, he gives up a few big plays.
Speaker 1: He doesn't travel, not that that's a big deal. It's
Speaker 1: a small things, just comparing him to other great players
Speaker 1: like Richard Sherman, who I think is having a great year.
Speaker 1: I think Richard Sherman has been burned relentlessly the past
Speaker 1: few weeks, and Marcus Peters says not. And if you
Speaker 1: look at their I was in passer rating numbers, Marcus
Speaker 1: Peters is right near the top. And perhaps such a
Speaker 1: Cox is a surprise to me, don't think really, I
Speaker 1: mean just not that he. I don't think it's been
Speaker 1: a single best year. I would put Sue in there.
Speaker 1: For instance. You have Aaron Donald and FLETCHERD. Cox on
Speaker 1: your list. Um and perhaps history repeats will repeat itself here,
Speaker 1: that would be nice. The Patriots decided the Chandler Jones
Speaker 1: is a problem. They shipped them to Arizona and West.
Speaker 1: He's been exactly what the Cardinals wanted to be and
Speaker 1: what's been a tough season in Arizona. No problems with
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. It's not just the sacks. Last year at
Speaker 1: this time, I believe he had nine sacks for the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and he's playing better with five sacks for the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: He's in the backfield all the time, he's playing the
Speaker 1: run well and he's an every down player, something he
Speaker 1: wasn't always in New England. I thought in that Seattle game,
Speaker 1: oh he was national television. He couldn't have been better.
Speaker 1: Luke Keickley, I mean that defense has been semi disastrous.
Speaker 1: He's not the culprit. Bobby Wagner, I think has been
Speaker 1: the best inside linebacker and football. Luke Keickley has been
Speaker 1: what he always is. And I feel badly Zach Brown
Speaker 1: off the list, but keith Ley and Wagner are I
Speaker 1: think both future Hall of famers in the prime of
Speaker 1: their career. It's Brandon Graham, by the way, as you're
Speaker 1: starting defensive end. What a season for him. I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love this list overall. I'm surprised. I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised, but it's crazy to think that the Cardinals
Speaker 1: have three players on your defensive first team All Pro
Speaker 1: and none of those none of those are Patrick Peterson,
Speaker 1: Clais Campbell Jones, and Tony Jefferson, which all you know,
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. I would go Melvin Ingram at
Speaker 1: outside land Baker kJ writes, having a really good season.
Speaker 1: It's tough for those guys to make up. Earl Thomas too. Um.
Speaker 1: Before we move on West. If you could start a
Speaker 1: franchise with one player on this list, it's an interesting
Speaker 1: question because I don't think Matt Ryan is a guy
Speaker 1: I want to start a franchise with. It would probably
Speaker 1: be Aaron Donald about Old Gronker. I'm a Govon Miller.
Speaker 1: I might go Tyreek Hill, who made the list as
Speaker 1: your kicker, Retorny. I like what you did there. You're
Speaker 1: giving him some credit for everything he does as a
Speaker 1: return man too. He gets in there. That's what Tyler Lockett.
Speaker 1: There wasn't really a close second. Tyreek Hill was easily
Speaker 1: the kick returner on my list, And because people love
Speaker 1: to talk about wide receivers, I'll just let her. But
Speaker 1: you know A. J. Green and Julio Jones, um were
Speaker 1: the names you want with. Who was third place in
Speaker 1: this conversation? That's a good question. Let me check my note?
Speaker 1: How about this while he checks his notes? The first time,
Speaker 1: I like to give Baltimore Ravens credit in about nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty months. But you went and got are correct nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty years. Eric Weddle, I mean is played amazing and
Speaker 1: the Chargers there's a stalemate last year where you know
Speaker 1: we don't want him back. He's you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: he's aging. And the Ravens have done this with Steve
Speaker 1: Smith too. They do a nice job of scouting pro
Speaker 1: players that other teams are ready to cast off. I
Speaker 1: think the ravens disappointing offense has overshadowed what's been a
Speaker 1: very good defense. And Greg has mentioned their safety duo
Speaker 1: of Weddow and Ladarius Webb. Weddow has played much better
Speaker 1: than Webb, and he has absolutely shut down ty Dens
Speaker 1: this year. All right, who is it, Wes your third
Speaker 1: wide suit? Antonio Brown? Oh, yeah, makes sense. He's a
Speaker 1: good place. A lot of people already. Cooper's up there too.
Speaker 1: If it weren't Antonio Brown, you'd be hearing from some people. No,
Speaker 1: Tyranne Smith, I just know about your boy, H O
Speaker 1: D H O d B. I should say O d B.
Speaker 1: Whether you want to blame it on him for Shenanigans
Speaker 1: or Eli not getting the ball or the offense not
Speaker 1: drawing up the plays, it's been too inconsistent for an
Speaker 1: all protein. All right, West's mid season all protein. You
Speaker 1: could read about it on Wednesday. Nfl dot Com Slash
Speaker 1: Position Rankings, Position rankings. Let's move on quickly and talk
Speaker 1: about Thursday Night football. Mark, you're gonna make one of
Speaker 1: these basket shots again, Eventually, I wouldn't. Marc is crumpling
Speaker 1: up the paper after he's done with it. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of Well, by the way, I will say this,
Speaker 1: after the show is over, I will go pick that
Speaker 1: up and put these multiple pieces of paper up. We
Speaker 1: are the only show that I can detect that comes
Speaker 1: in here and doesn't leave the place an absolute mess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were respect. We respect our neighbors, all right, t
Speaker 1: n F preview because we're completest. We preview every game,
Speaker 1: even bad Thursday night games. I think the coverage, by
Speaker 1: the way, switches over now from UH field and GM
Speaker 1: over to the other side. Right. I do believe it's
Speaker 1: an NBC. That's correct. They sent off network, though they
Speaker 1: sent it off to NBC last year, and one of
Speaker 1: those last week and one of those extremely phony moments
Speaker 1: where one network acts like the other network and couldn't
Speaker 1: just be better friends. Everyone is just so tight, there's
Speaker 1: so much respect, and it was an extremely false moment. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I like Alan Cris though, So I'm
Speaker 1: happy that we're gonna get more games with them. That's
Speaker 1: affect the prep level for Sunday. But that's not our problem.
Speaker 1: Couldn't have Tariko, I mean, come on, come back to us. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Here we go Thursday Night football, Atlanta Falcons five and three. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're riding high after that thirty three to win over
Speaker 1: the Ireen Bay Packers that included Matt Ryan's beautifully led
Speaker 1: final drive in the fourth quarter. Uh. Now they traveled
Speaker 1: to Tampa to face the Buccaneers. The Bucks did the
Speaker 1: what was nearly, you know, the impossible last week. They
Speaker 1: lost to a team that committed twenty three penalties. Uh.
Speaker 1: Given that type of advantage, and you would think any
Speaker 1: team would win, But the Bucks find a way. They
Speaker 1: lost in overtime. Uh. And here we go, Greg because
Speaker 1: the Falcon superior team here. But you got that Thursday
Speaker 1: Night advantage that those home teams have with the color
Speaker 1: rush and everything color runs with the Bucks uniforms. Is
Speaker 1: that playing out who's wearing what? We haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: This Bucks team played a terrific game in the Georgia
Speaker 1: Dome in Week one and got me thinking this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun team. That team has not been
Speaker 1: around really since Week one, Atlanta has completely turned their
Speaker 1: season around. This is a mismatch. Buck are the one
Speaker 1: of the worst five teams, I would say in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL right now. And Jamis Winston. It doesn't help
Speaker 1: him that he has a bad backfield. He's thrown into
Speaker 1: some lame weapons, but he misses too many throws. If
Speaker 1: he had hit about one of about four or five
Speaker 1: open deep throws last game that he had, they win
Speaker 1: that game. If he doesn't miss a pretty routine dump
Speaker 1: off and overtime, they might get into field goal range.
Speaker 1: So he's been a little part of the problem, but
Speaker 1: the bigger problems it's it's just a bad team. The
Speaker 1: Bucks are the only bad team the Falcons have played yet.
Speaker 1: Their metal has been tested by the Raiders, the Saints,
Speaker 1: the Panthers, Broncos, Seahawks, Chargers, and Packers, and I think
Speaker 1: they've stood up and proven there as legit as any
Speaker 1: team in the NFL. You might not put them up
Speaker 1: there with the Patriots in your power rankings, but they've
Speaker 1: been tested and I think they've come through with flying colors.
Speaker 1: Quibbled with their defense, but it's improving. It is I
Speaker 1: like Adrian Claiborne's playing well, Kianu Neil is playing well.
Speaker 1: Vic Beasley that as a group, it's not quite adding up.
Speaker 1: They're still giving up way too many yards and points,
Speaker 1: but you can see it coming together well. And dan
Speaker 1: Quinn was brought there to revive the defense number one,
Speaker 1: and he's done that. You see etchings of it. You
Speaker 1: see hints of it already where that's not happened with
Speaker 1: the other former right, you haven't seen that with the
Speaker 1: other former Jaguars defensive coordinator or the Jaguars, you know, Sorry,
Speaker 1: give me a break, the Jaguars head coach who was
Speaker 1: in with Seattle before. I point to the other side
Speaker 1: of the ball to where we just talked about the
Speaker 1: Cardinals potentially getting forked, and we talked about the Seahawks
Speaker 1: also in the NFC West, struggling with their offensive line
Speaker 1: and bringing in Alex mac having him play alongsign Andy Levitre.
Speaker 1: That entire offensive line has been solid from end to
Speaker 1: end this season, and that's where it starts. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you slow down this offense. We've seen them
Speaker 1: score points against everyone week after week, and now you've
Speaker 1: got a legitimate bad defense. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, which may be the only factor here.
Speaker 1: Travel and for Thursday night creates weird scenarios. Maybe it
Speaker 1: has some effect, but Atlanta works out of these funks.
Speaker 1: They played on the road in Seattle. Doesn't matter where
Speaker 1: they go, and they have confidence. You know dan Quinn
Speaker 1: after that failed fourth down the week before, he goes
Speaker 1: for a fourth early against Green Bay, like he goes
Speaker 1: for a third straight run on the goal line after
Speaker 1: you get stuff two times. I got a fantasy tip
Speaker 1: in this game to ron Ward. This thing is gonna
Speaker 1: be such a big block to ron Ward. Looking pretty
Speaker 1: good for the Falcons. He's gonna come in late, They'll
Speaker 1: get some touchdown. Who do you take him out of
Speaker 1: your lineup? Who do you take out of your lineup
Speaker 1: to put this guy life flex out? If you're loaded,
Speaker 1: maybe I will One prediction I have for this game,
Speaker 1: file it under as we continue to miss shots, um
Speaker 1: the football gots keep you on your toes. Game. Everything
Speaker 1: makes sense for the Falcons to win. But this will
Speaker 1: be a game in the fourth quarter. I got a
Speaker 1: bit of a settler in that one as well. Well.
Speaker 1: These sesslers, as you play them, have been wrong since
Speaker 1: about two but weird, weird stuff happened on TNF. That is,
Speaker 1: there is no question about it. You it was. Dirk
Speaker 1: Carter was talking about it today and he sounded as
Speaker 1: he was discussing this game with disdain for a number
Speaker 1: of reasons. But the whole thing is just trying to
Speaker 1: get people healthy in time. You can't get your players
Speaker 1: back on the field, you lose three days. And weird,
Speaker 1: crazy stuff happens on these games. Why many of them
Speaker 1: are unwatchable in summer, some mildly watchable at best. We're
Speaker 1: gonna look back in ten years and and say, wait,
Speaker 1: what Dirk Cutter was a was a head coach? Remember that.
Speaker 1: You don't think this uh, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: take So this is not good. Chia last what two years?
Speaker 1: Love Smith last two years? Cutter last two years? And
Speaker 1: what's the difference between all these teams? Thank you? That's
Speaker 1: what Cleveland did. You want to switch your coach every
Speaker 1: two season? See how that works for you? All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Before we go, we promised a call
Speaker 1: from a satellite hero and on the line right now
Speaker 1: from his Oh and it's fitting right around the holiday
Speaker 1: Halloween season for live from his haunted mansion in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Connor or you kidding me? What's up? Buddy? Hello ladies, Uh, Connor,
Speaker 1: welcome back to me Around the NFL podcast. Right off
Speaker 1: the bat um, I want to say, yes, Halloween here
Speaker 1: in the US was last night and I saw on
Speaker 1: Facebook you did the the gangster move of buying full
Speaker 1: candy bars and handing those out. What was the motivation there?
Speaker 1: Just to be the baddest ass on your block? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean this was you know, tight knit community, you know,
Speaker 1: first year in the neighborhood, first Halloween there, no one
Speaker 1: really has to read on me all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, suck it, you know, you try to handle
Speaker 1: this candy you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean that was
Speaker 1: always the holy grail on Halloween, as if you got
Speaker 1: to the house that handed out full candy bars. So
Speaker 1: I've never met anyone to do it. So just to
Speaker 1: be talking to you right now, Connor, is kind of
Speaker 1: an honor right now. But I wanna we gotta touch
Speaker 1: on it. Would you mind if we just kind of
Speaker 1: touch on a few different things with you today, because
Speaker 1: it's always good to catch up with Connor. War Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's light this candle whatever, you got. All right, let's
Speaker 1: start with the power poll we released and if you
Speaker 1: can check it out and if you check it out,
Speaker 1: the NFL dot com our mid season power Poll. Uh you,
Speaker 1: of course, last time we did this exercise, the quarter
Speaker 1: season power poll, uh, you were all over the map.
Speaker 1: It's including the Caroline of Panthers, which I believe you
Speaker 1: had buried somewhere in the mid to late twenties, which
Speaker 1: upset a lot of people, and it turned out the
Speaker 1: Panthers had more losing to do after that. Now you look,
Speaker 1: and you look really good. Now after one win in
Speaker 1: the mid season power poll, you all you have them
Speaker 1: all the way back into the top ten at number nine.
Speaker 1: Explain yourself. We're gonna keep poundered, Danny. That's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Uh So, after the secret meeting that Cam
Speaker 1: had with the commissioner, you know it's all about we're
Speaker 1: trying to keep pile of your not let this and
Speaker 1: now you know it's all going to change. We're reversing
Speaker 1: and they're gonna let people not even touch Cam and
Speaker 1: he's gonna run for two yards a game. This team's
Speaker 1: gonna go back to the playoffs and they're gonna say
Speaker 1: who the media, who the media believed us? Well, this
Speaker 1: guy right here. Yeah, you're right, you got them both.
Speaker 1: You got him on both sides. So you're saying, Connor
Speaker 1: that this meeting with Roger Goodell, which we don't even
Speaker 1: know if it's actually gonna happen or has happened. Oh,
Speaker 1: it happened. If it has, it has vera talk to Goodell.
Speaker 1: I mean they're not. Goodell is not flying down to Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Connor just confirmed that it has. This is going. This
Speaker 1: is gonna launch the Panthers back to the promised Land.
Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff you also have. I'll just share your
Speaker 1: top first. I'll share our overall group. It is the
Speaker 1: average of all of the around the NFL writers. We
Speaker 1: have Patriots, Cowboys, Sea How, Seahawks, Broncos, and Steelers are
Speaker 1: top five. Uh. Connor's top five has the Cowboys at five,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks at four, the Steelers at three, the Patriots
Speaker 1: at two, the Ladies and Gentlemen the team of a
Speaker 1: t I'll runner up Oakland Raiders, the number one team
Speaker 1: in football yourself. Yeah, Jackie del Rio, baby, come on,
Speaker 1: black Jack. Yeah, I mean you know you give a
Speaker 1: two penalty yards to the Buccaneers, and you still smoke
Speaker 1: them in overtime. And then afterwards they say you concerned
Speaker 1: about your team's penally, he says, I don't care. This
Speaker 1: is let's let's just keep rolling. I love it, man,
Speaker 1: black Jack. This is where I'm going. Have you over there?
Speaker 1: You know, since you did your quarter pole, have you
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch football? Are you? Uh? Is
Speaker 1: this just your throwing darts here? No? I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like I've watched football in a deeper way than possible,
Speaker 1: I guess for a lot of other analysts. And so
Speaker 1: I flamed sort of my methodology. Tomorrow I got the
Speaker 1: um I got the go ahead to actually write the
Speaker 1: power Poll post. So I mean, if anyone's interested in
Speaker 1: really learning some stuff about the business, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it'll be a good read for everyone tomorrow. No one
Speaker 1: else had the Raiders in the top six and uh,
Speaker 1: and you had him number one? Are you concerned? You
Speaker 1: know that their games tend to come down to some
Speaker 1: almost flukey ending, like them getting a penalty on a
Speaker 1: failed fourth down at the end of regulation last week. Well,
Speaker 1: if I think, if if I was concerned, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: make them the number one team's football. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, We're going all the way here uh here, Greg,
Speaker 1: I mean this is uh, this is black Jack, Amari Khalil,
Speaker 1: this is the this is my team right now. How
Speaker 1: about kind of the critics out there that say that
Speaker 1: you putting out these type of lists every month, every
Speaker 1: month or so really speaks to you attempting to be
Speaker 1: something of an agent of chaos with our rankings rather
Speaker 1: than someone giving a real football takes. How do you
Speaker 1: how do you respond to that criticism? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of people who
Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: kind of individually correct everyone that isn't as knowledgeable as me.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think the important thing is
Speaker 1: what I'm really doing is I'm adjusting the poll to
Speaker 1: fit what how I view the NFL. And so now
Speaker 1: that I've sort of thrown everything off, every team sort
Speaker 1: of comes into where I thought they would land. So
Speaker 1: it's about you. Oh, it's all about me? Yeah, why
Speaker 1: else would I it's about me? Well, let me ask
Speaker 1: you a hypothetical. Let's say we did this exercise again
Speaker 1: next week. Would the Raiders being your top ten winner
Speaker 1: lose if if they beat the If they beat the Broncos,
Speaker 1: I gotta find a higher number than number one. You know,
Speaker 1: we gotta just forget the power pull. Just hand them
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That's that's what I would do. I
Speaker 1: mean with the with the Panthers, he put them down
Speaker 1: so low, and we all questioned him and then it
Speaker 1: became true. So maybe he's seen things, you know, roughly
Speaker 1: at most a week ahead of us. Yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of him with him that the Panthers are going to
Speaker 1: go on and run. Here, maybe Connor is the one
Speaker 1: to follow U. I'm gonna tick down the list a
Speaker 1: little bit more here, Nile Davis, when you're Madden Standouts,
Speaker 1: you built an entire strip mall that bankrupt a small
Speaker 1: town in his honor, and you're mad at football video game.
Speaker 1: Now closer to you, your haunted Manchin. He's signed with
Speaker 1: the Jets after being cut by the Packers. Any time
Speaker 1: any chance you guys meet up for lunch? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I talked to him, you know, I think we
Speaker 1: might go get I was just famous Gray, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, and just kind of talk about talk about
Speaker 1: the Nile miles. See what he's thinking in terms of
Speaker 1: you know, maybe coming back to Portland's you know the packers.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? You have this guy on on
Speaker 1: the bench and you're handing it off to some you know,
Speaker 1: to some big guy from Oklahoma. It's like, let mile
Speaker 1: room with you know, that's why you brought him in there.
Speaker 1: How about a quick update on orible movies. I was curious.
Speaker 1: Last summer we introduced a new segment on the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast in which uh connor takes a look
Speaker 1: at the top on FI movie list of all time
Speaker 1: and his his goal to watch every movie and give
Speaker 1: them a review. Where are you at right now? Is
Speaker 1: that's still something that's happening. I saw the last two days,
Speaker 1: saw some excellent films that were left off the list.
Speaker 1: On Halloween, I went with the thriller Hush, where a
Speaker 1: deaf woman is stalked in her own home by a
Speaker 1: by a murderer. So that was that amazing. And then
Speaker 1: I saw that by the way, my wife and I
Speaker 1: we were looking for kind of fun Halloween movies over
Speaker 1: the weekend and I went through the hard section of Netflix,
Speaker 1: and when I saw that, it did strike me as
Speaker 1: quite funny. And then I saw the one star rating
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I'm gonna probably stay away from that, well,
Speaker 1: you know, one star like power rankings are subjective, and
Speaker 1: I think that some people kind of understand things on
Speaker 1: a different level. And I was really trying to feel
Speaker 1: what the director was feeling when I watched that, and
Speaker 1: and it felt right to me. Um, all right, So
Speaker 1: before we let you go, Connor, I was thinking, because
Speaker 1: that segment is just not going to take off. If
Speaker 1: you're watching uh, death, death, what's the name of it,
Speaker 1: Hush Hush. If you're watching hush, I mean, you're never
Speaker 1: gonna get to any of the top one hundred. I
Speaker 1: know that's not on the A five top one. Swim
Speaker 1: Fan definitely not on the top one. Huh. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you have the thoughts on swim Fan? You you said
Speaker 1: that earlier on our Excuse me? Are I am? Client? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I crushed that movie. I mean, what what a thriller
Speaker 1: from beginning to end, really like you know, early two thousands,
Speaker 1: you know, you're getting sort of the instant message Internet
Speaker 1: component in there, uh, you know, cell phones, video and
Speaker 1: just you know, an amazing sort of roller coaster ride
Speaker 1: from start to finish. Another one that I really think
Speaker 1: deserves some recognition by the Academy. That one you had awesome,
Speaker 1: missed the top one hundred. So before you go, we
Speaker 1: you know, we always like to talk about what's the
Speaker 1: next segment board general ideas for your career. I think
Speaker 1: your last name gives gives you so many different avenues
Speaker 1: to chase as you try to figure out where you
Speaker 1: want to take your life in these next thirty or
Speaker 1: so years of your working life. Right, um, so here
Speaker 1: we go. You're right, I got some TV show ideas.
Speaker 1: You'll let me know your your name. Okay, alright, this
Speaker 1: one first one, and it would be on like let's say,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's like a I D Discovery something
Speaker 1: like that. Orson I actually no, with a question mark. Orson.
Speaker 1: It's a true crime series where you decide if fires
Speaker 1: are crimes are accidental? Anythink on a true crime. It's
Speaker 1: like a double on tendre for Orson Wells and Arson.
Speaker 1: Now it triple on because you get Connor's name in there. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know where Orson Wells doesn't really involved with it.
Speaker 1: It's well, he's the greatest director of all time, right right.
Speaker 1: This is different though, this is not connected to movies
Speaker 1: at all. This is just a series, a true crime series.
Speaker 1: We want to plug in on that true crime genre,
Speaker 1: which is huge. Right now, how about this one? Con Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's see what else you got, Okay,
Speaker 1: this show? This next one would be at TLC or
Speaker 1: a network like that orphanage. You and your wife opened
Speaker 1: the door of your home to underprivileged kids in the
Speaker 1: suburban New Jersey. All right, Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we'd ever get the clearance for that, but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: totally on board. Got to candy cash, alright, that generally
Speaker 1: not a good thing as far as the authorities concerned.
Speaker 1: All Right, how about this one? This one would be
Speaker 1: on like ESPN, ESPN two early in the morning. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know how they have those hunting shows that there's
Speaker 1: no way anybody's watching it. Figure, why not throw another
Speaker 1: one in the ring. This would be a show about
Speaker 1: the best oars. People bring in different ores and you
Speaker 1: choose what's the superior model. It would be called or
Speaker 1: or Or. It's sort of like an antiques road show
Speaker 1: meets meets voting kind of thing. Kind of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly where you just I just like putting you in
Speaker 1: different scenarios. Yeah, I mean, you know, you could you
Speaker 1: could go with that. You could go with an order
Speaker 1: in the court, you know where I could think look
Speaker 1: at the central or perfect the justice system, or maybe
Speaker 1: the barometre where I take your temperature. The last one,
Speaker 1: this one, I'm just work shopping a little bit um,
Speaker 1: but I wanted something for that young male demographic. And
Speaker 1: I'm kind of trying to cash in on that bad
Speaker 1: grandpa thing where you just kind of go into everyday
Speaker 1: settings and cause hell man, that was hugely successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put in heavy prosthetics, a little bit of a rip
Speaker 1: off of Jackass, but here we go, or in Hatch
Speaker 1: where he put you an old person makeup and then
Speaker 1: you just go places and you you you portray the
Speaker 1: longtime U. S. Senator and you cause hell in your
Speaker 1: hometown and we have it all on camera. I Uh,
Speaker 1: I never thought I would fall in love with an
Speaker 1: idea of like instantly, But that that's it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think we got it. You know, we can
Speaker 1: touch them some of the details and posts. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's it. You need a title like Wears or
Speaker 1: in Hatch, maybe you might need to you might need
Speaker 1: to check with the Office of or in Hatch, let's
Speaker 1: see what they think. It's fund have an office. Well
Speaker 1: what Connor had promised that the only way he would
Speaker 1: get on this show today was that he was going
Speaker 1: to do it from his house without clothing on. Are
Speaker 1: you wearing clothing? Oh? Yeah, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I fell then. Yeah, for the best. I fell asleep
Speaker 1: after work and then I figured the phone call would
Speaker 1: wake me up. Breaking news, Connor. We're all nude right now,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna che um. All right, Connor, I think
Speaker 1: we've caught up. Well. I always enjoyed to have you
Speaker 1: on the show, and think about all those show ideas.
Speaker 1: Get me in touch with your agent. Maybe we could
Speaker 1: sit down and figure out what's the right path to
Speaker 1: follow here as we as we move forward, Danny, it
Speaker 1: was real and it was fun, but it wasn't real
Speaker 1: fun that comes when we see each other again. My
Speaker 1: friend said, r e eo mm hmm um. All right
Speaker 1: there he goes Connor or Thank you uh to Connor
Speaker 1: for joining us, Thank you for everyone for listening to us.
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