Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast has proved that Tom Savage
Speaker 1: is not a holograd. We welcome back to another edition
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis,
Speaker 1: and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes.
Speaker 1: Chris Westling to my left, Greg Rosenthal to my right.
Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? Hey? Dan? No, Mark still under the weather.
Speaker 1: Hope to get him back by Thursday's show. But uh,
Speaker 1: we're getting closer to whole because yes, Greg has returned
Speaker 1: from his journey overseas, the face of international travel in
Speaker 1: the NFL media newsroom. Greg Rosenthal, Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: United States. How was your trip? I want this to
Speaker 1: be my theme song permanently, even if it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. It was outstanding. Dan. I'm we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about a little later, but London could not be a
Speaker 1: better city. I would haply move there. You would move there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is that's heavy. Well, I would move
Speaker 1: a lot of places. Mark said he would move there too.
Speaker 1: Why not. It's like you know Henry Hodson, you know
Speaker 1: Hank a lot of not a nicknames. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's always been anti New York, which I didn't like
Speaker 1: because I consider myself, even though you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: born there. I love, I love New York, lived there
Speaker 1: for ten years. And but I think I get why
Speaker 1: he doesn't like New York because London is kind of
Speaker 1: like a a cleaner, you know, more well run version
Speaker 1: of New York. Okay, well it's not New York. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's better or worse. I love New York,
Speaker 1: but it's a cleaner, very similar. I listen, I love England.
Speaker 1: Never been there, but I love our wills. I will
Speaker 1: get there eventually if the Shadowy League figures deemed that
Speaker 1: to be something that they would uh grant to us.
Speaker 1: I'm not holding my breath on that on that point
Speaker 1: where should of course I'm gonna. I'm gonna. You know,
Speaker 1: New York City me too, my my favorite city that
Speaker 1: New Orleans in the US and everything. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying London is great. It's kind of like a cleaner,
Speaker 1: you know, nice version in your and and a lot
Speaker 1: of the people in London were asking me Dan, they
Speaker 1: were just like, oh, yeah, I guess Dan didn't want
Speaker 1: to come over here. He doesn't leave the country. I listen,
Speaker 1: I everyone knows the story by now. If you listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'll leave the country. I just picked
Speaker 1: my spots. Not there yet. Okay. This is the Tuesday
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Speaker 1: Mr F. Today's shows jam pack. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the Monday night football matchup between the Broncos and Texans.
Speaker 1: Gonna go through some news, including the retirement of one
Speaker 1: of the biggest UH stars of the last i'd say
Speaker 1: seven or eight years in the NFL. UH. We will
Speaker 1: dig in a little bit more in Gregg's trip to London,
Speaker 1: because that's very important UH to get to some more
Speaker 1: specifics on what went down during his journey overseas. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about the trade deadline, which
Speaker 1: I believe is a week from today. Is that correct.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely a h correct four pm Eastern time,
Speaker 1: So there you go. So we'll talk about what names
Speaker 1: are in the news right now, and maybe we'll throw
Speaker 1: out some options, a couple of trades and that we
Speaker 1: would like to see or could happen in a world
Speaker 1: in which teams weren't afraid to trade, which is you know,
Speaker 1: part of the problem with the trade deadline. Uh. In football,
Speaker 1: compared to baseball or preps other sports, teams are not
Speaker 1: as a little bit more gunshy about shipping their players around.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of the economic factors of the league helped
Speaker 1: to explain that. But anyway, we will throw out some
Speaker 1: options and have some fun doing it. And then finally
Speaker 1: we'll talk the Thursday night game between the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: the Titans. Uh, good luck with that, CBS and NFL network.
Speaker 1: So why don't we start, though, yes, with the final
Speaker 1: game that is Thursday night game is the first game
Speaker 1: week eight, which, oh my god, it's Week eight already.
Speaker 1: But we had the last game of week seven last night,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about it. Was it the brock Osweiler
Speaker 1: revenge game? Was it the John Elway revenge game? We'll
Speaker 1: never know, but one thing we do know is that
Speaker 1: it was John Elway with a big old smile on
Speaker 1: his face at the end of a seven to nine
Speaker 1: win for the Broncos over the Houston Texans, and a
Speaker 1: game where the score accurately reflected what was going on here.
Speaker 1: A completely overmatched Osweiler UH was unable to move the
Speaker 1: chains and get his team in the end zone. And
Speaker 1: the Broncos do what the Broncos do, which is they're
Speaker 1: not gonna bludgeon you on offense, but they're gonna make
Speaker 1: a couple of plays here and there, score one or
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and then let the defense take it home.
Speaker 1: Speaking of touchdowns, here is the one touchdown pass of
Speaker 1: the day from Trevor Simeon. Simon looks left, throws and
Speaker 1: DT touchdown Denver to Mary's Thomas. He beats Kareen Jackson
Speaker 1: and a laser from Trevor Simeon on just a simple
Speaker 1: out cut two yards deep in the end zone and
Speaker 1: the Broncos have their second touchdown of this first half
Speaker 1: and west that is Uh, Trevor Simeon throwing the touchdown
Speaker 1: fourteen one fifty seven in the touch and yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna blow you away, but then you look on
Speaker 1: the other side of the ball. Simeon had a running
Speaker 1: game behind him. Osweiler two forty one a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty one yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions lost, the fumble
Speaker 1: average three point two yards per attempt. West On forty
Speaker 1: one passes. You're not gonna see a day much worse
Speaker 1: than that is that is not totally undermined by turnovers.
Speaker 1: Oswyler also had a running game behind him. Alfred Blue
Speaker 1: and Lamar Miller averaged over five point five yards right,
Speaker 1: and they run more they should have. Uh, They went
Speaker 1: out and they invested a lot of resources, Lamar Miller,
Speaker 1: will Fuller, Braxton Miller, some offensive line help, and Lamar
Speaker 1: Miller and will Fuller have worked out. They added the
Speaker 1: speed that this team desperately needed. The quarterback is not
Speaker 1: working out. This was one of the lowest yards per
Speaker 1: tempt figures in NFL history for a quarterback passing forty
Speaker 1: forty or more time and and Brock Oswyler, he has
Speaker 1: got a long delivery. He's a little more athletic than
Speaker 1: you think, but he still moves so slowly in the pocket.
Speaker 1: And then you look across the other side of the field,
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon has a streamline delivery. He's more of a
Speaker 1: quick twitch athlete. He's a much better fit for Gary
Speaker 1: Kubiak's offense. And you look at a Broncos team that
Speaker 1: still looks like a contender, has a lot going for them,
Speaker 1: and then the Texans are spinning and no man's lamp.
Speaker 1: They have a seventy two million dollar boondogg and it's
Speaker 1: weird because they're in first place. I think that changes it.
Speaker 1: They're not a first place team. You're not what your
Speaker 1: record says you are. They should be a two and
Speaker 1: five team. Their defense is good, it's not great without
Speaker 1: j G. Why it's good, It's not good enough to
Speaker 1: carry this team long term. Maybe they'll be in the
Speaker 1: mix because they're in the a f C South. But Oswiler,
Speaker 1: it's hard to really overstate how bad their passing game is.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a hundred on Oswalder, but considering it
Speaker 1: was so much better last year when Hoyer was the quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's a lot on him. He is the first quarterback.
Speaker 1: Here's a great stat NFL history, to have three games
Speaker 1: in a single season with two hundred yards or less
Speaker 1: and forty attempts this season is not even halfway done.
Speaker 1: He's already the first quarterback in history to be that
Speaker 1: inefficient in three separate times. So that's a coaching problem.
Speaker 1: We have to name a new stat after him. Then
Speaker 1: that's that's a special mark of an aptitude. That's Thewiler Osweilers,
Speaker 1: the brock Schlock. You're brocking it. You just bracked it,
Speaker 1: brocked up. Uh listen, he that entire team has as
Speaker 1: many touchdowns this year as Melvin Gordon, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was especially telling at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: And you know, the Denver team, the guys in those
Speaker 1: defense wanted to stick it to Osweiler as they thought
Speaker 1: that he walked out on him and uh keep pelib
Speaker 1: said as much before the game to Lisasalters. But I
Speaker 1: thought that even at the end of the game where
Speaker 1: things were decided, where he was still checking it down
Speaker 1: and and everything was three yards four yards, if he
Speaker 1: attempt that the down your downfield past it wasn't even
Speaker 1: close to the target. It was such an oppressing a site.
Speaker 1: And I did I wrote about on the end around
Speaker 1: today about three minutes to go, game decided, ESPN dying.
Speaker 1: You know there there sucking wind because again they're stuck
Speaker 1: with a dog, and they start panning around the field
Speaker 1: the sideline, uh the owner's box and and John Gruden's
Speaker 1: shoveling dirt on Osweiler, and you just see everyone I
Speaker 1: think in the Texans and they were shown McNair in
Speaker 1: the in the box with Rick Smith the GM everyone's
Speaker 1: aware of what with the situation here, which is you
Speaker 1: paid a quarterback, brock Osweiler a ton of money and
Speaker 1: he can't play. And that's gonna have long term ramifications
Speaker 1: for this franchise because you he's almost forty million guaranteed,
Speaker 1: so you can't get out of the deal. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay him. Okay, we're gonna go and get
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the draft next year. Well, then you
Speaker 1: can't pay two quarterbacks and pay other spots on your roster.
Speaker 1: This was a potential three to four year mistake that
Speaker 1: they made, and it's gonna haunt Houston for years to come.
Speaker 1: I remember when they paraded him out there in an
Speaker 1: introductory press conference and Rick Smith and Bill O'Brien say,
Speaker 1: he checks every box. This is this is our franchise Savior.
Speaker 1: We watched, we watched all the film. He can make
Speaker 1: all the throws. And John McClaine, the venerable Houston Chronicle writer,
Speaker 1: walks away from that meeting with this tweet. This is
Speaker 1: the biggest free agent signing in Houston since Warren Moon
Speaker 1: in four with the Oilers out of the Canadian Football League. Well,
Speaker 1: this starts upstairs, Greg. They forced the ownership, forced the
Speaker 1: team's heart to find to find a solution at quarterback
Speaker 1: after Brian Hoyer melted down that playoff game. And this
Speaker 1: is what happens when you let the people all the
Speaker 1: way upstairs dictate what happens downstairs. That played a huge
Speaker 1: role in Os Wilder coming to this team paying all
Speaker 1: that money site unseen, and this is what they got.
Speaker 1: They got what they paid for. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: he's he has no chance to be me yoker for
Speaker 1: them at some point, but I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: do it in this current iteration. I think John Gruden
Speaker 1: was very smart to talk about all the sight adjustments
Speaker 1: that the young receivers have to make in the Osswiler
Speaker 1: sort of has to note be on the same page
Speaker 1: with the receivers, and these are guys that just aren't
Speaker 1: experienced enough to do that, especially as Wilder T. J.
Speaker 1: Ward of the Bronco said, we know Oswiler struggles with disguises.
Speaker 1: We see it on film. We knew that he struggled
Speaker 1: with it when he was on the Broncos. So that's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. That's what the Patriots did. I
Speaker 1: don't know. They have a young quarterback there, a guy
Speaker 1: who is real and him. That's again one more time.
Speaker 1: Tom Savage was drafted when Bill O'Brien was the coach.
Speaker 1: Tom Savage showed some things in the preseason there four
Speaker 1: and three. He said he's not considering benching Brock Osler.
Speaker 1: I think the season is young. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be in the a f C South mix. I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised at all to see Tom Savage playing
Speaker 1: this year. They can get out of Oswa. There's contract
Speaker 1: after next season, and I think there's a way to
Speaker 1: benjam this year. That doesn't mean it's forever necessarily. Maybe
Speaker 1: you go back to him after a few games. Maybe
Speaker 1: you go back to him in the off season. Who knows,
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to win games If he plays like this,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked. This offense is incompetent right now,
Speaker 1: and if they don't show signs of competence by Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: they owe it to themselves to see if Tom Savage
Speaker 1: can be part of the picture for the two. I
Speaker 1: really liked him at points in the pre at that
Speaker 1: he showed some things. And you know, this game again
Speaker 1: highlighted to me. Uh, you know, the Broncos are gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. The their quarterback can make enough plays. The
Speaker 1: defense is great, so they're gonna be there at the end.
Speaker 1: The Patriots are the Patriots. But the underbelly of this conference.
Speaker 1: I mean when you're looking at Houston and you see
Speaker 1: them as one of the better teams, that tells you
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, nobody unless you're the Browns. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's out of this in terms of hunting
Speaker 1: for that sixth seed. And I include the Jets. We
Speaker 1: worked because there's just there's just not a lot of
Speaker 1: talent top to bottom. What on this this conference right now.
Speaker 1: The f C West is a good division. You know,
Speaker 1: they went four no this week. I think all those
Speaker 1: teams have playoff caliber talent and so that that's one
Speaker 1: loaded division. I think you're right about the rest the
Speaker 1: rest of the conference. The Bengals could get it together. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: We we know the a f C South isn't good.
Speaker 1: We should give the Broncos credit. I think they had
Speaker 1: some things they have to really like in that game.
Speaker 1: DeVante Booker is emerging as as a real big fact.
Speaker 1: You should just play in prime time by the way,
Speaker 1: C James, Right, that's a really good one to punch.
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders is having a great that ran well against
Speaker 1: a good defense. Manuel Sanders has turned into their number
Speaker 1: one keep. Talib has been the best cornerback in the NFL. Right,
Speaker 1: he is having a really good season for them. They're deep,
Speaker 1: obviously in terms of the past wrest. I think it
Speaker 1: was important for Simeon to have a positive game just
Speaker 1: because it had been a while, because he was I
Speaker 1: wasn't injury and he did, and so you know they're
Speaker 1: they're good. One last note, one of the worst injuries
Speaker 1: in a long time, Derek Newton uh toward both Patil
Speaker 1: attendance in this game. I don't know what. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that can happen. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: recovery is on that. I have some findings on this.
Speaker 1: Let's hear something because I that was to see a
Speaker 1: guy in a double air cast being taken off the field.
Speaker 1: That obviously he felt for the guy and it just
Speaker 1: was a unique site. It was outrageous. Wendell Davis, Bears receiver,
Speaker 1: the first guy I remember whoever did this, and it
Speaker 1: was the veteran stadium turf in Philadelphia that got him
Speaker 1: in the early nineties, I believe. And then in the
Speaker 1: last five years, Greg Child who was a second round
Speaker 1: pick for the Vikings, did that in training in his
Speaker 1: career right. Gary Baxter, who was a really good cornerback
Speaker 1: for the raven signed with the Browns and then two
Speaker 1: years after that toward both his proteller tendance. Did he
Speaker 1: ever come back after that? I think he attempted to
Speaker 1: but was wasn't able to. My question, is he you
Speaker 1: feel physically how it happened? Of it? It just don't
Speaker 1: know and new and it had tour in his one
Speaker 1: of his potel tendons before, so that's that's a tough
Speaker 1: road back. It said, all right, that's what's going on
Speaker 1: with a Monday night game. Let's do some news. One more.
Speaker 1: I got sixty nine touch sounds, if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I do My favorite part is the laugh
Speaker 1: of the laugh gronk almost like what like a muskrat
Speaker 1: would do. That was in human forms. The laugh made it.
Speaker 1: He's like a bad He's like a comedian or just
Speaker 1: even a friend who has to explain to you that
Speaker 1: that was a joke. That's the case. He didn't get
Speaker 1: where he was going. He had to let you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah. I think he said baby too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a man or a
Speaker 1: woman he was talking to, but I'm saying, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Baby? All right, here we go
Speaker 1: start with the retirement of Aryan Foster. Surprise went down
Speaker 1: on Monday night, right before the start of the Broncos
Speaker 1: Texans game. Marian Foster, who has spent the season in
Speaker 1: Miami battling injuries once again and really not having an impact,
Speaker 1: made the decision, uh to end his career. UH. He
Speaker 1: finishes that brief Miami career with fifty five rushing attempts,
Speaker 1: front rushing yards, and twenty two attempts. Of course, his
Speaker 1: biggest years came with the Texans, where he was um
Speaker 1: arguably the best all around running back in football for
Speaker 1: a stretch there from two thousand nine to I'd say
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen or so, but injuries did mount. Uh.
Speaker 1: He made the announcement on a website that I'm not
Speaker 1: really familiar with, uninterrupted dot com uh, but explained that
Speaker 1: his body simply could not take the beating that is
Speaker 1: required to succeed in the NFL at this stage. Uh.
Speaker 1: Arian Foster's careers over west. You wrote up the piece
Speaker 1: on NFL dot com where it is Aaron Foster stack
Speaker 1: up with the best running backs of this millennium, millennia
Speaker 1: block of millennia and this millennium. Well, he's behind Ladanian,
Speaker 1: Thomlinson and Adrian Peterson. I think he's in that next here.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a Hall of Famer, but
Speaker 1: he was for a five year stretch right there behind
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson is one of the best running backs in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think we'll always remember him for that
Speaker 1: graceful one cut style. He is the ideal back for
Speaker 1: the zone blocking system. So patient, great vision, just make
Speaker 1: one cut and so smooth. Also a great pass catcher
Speaker 1: earlier in his career. Yeah, he had three years. He
Speaker 1: had three years where he caught eighty four balls, seventy
Speaker 1: two and then fifty eight. The following year after that,
Speaker 1: you said the word smooth. I mean, that's what I
Speaker 1: That's what I'll think of with with Foster, and I'll
Speaker 1: think of someone who, for at least three seasons of
Speaker 1: his career I would have considered one of the three
Speaker 1: best runners in the league, right, which is not that
Speaker 1: sounds like, okay, A decent amount of people do that.
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean some Hall of famers, you might
Speaker 1: not even be able to say that about where he's
Speaker 1: one of the two or three best. I don't think
Speaker 1: Gore's probably gotta get in there. I would love there.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, he's right, though, I would say that's
Speaker 1: true only one or two seasons. Listen to his first
Speaker 1: three playoff games he ever played. This is the greatest
Speaker 1: running back in Houston Texans history. Hundred fifty three seen
Speaker 1: yards a hunting and thirty two rushing yards a hunting
Speaker 1: forty rushing yards. It's pretty good. His fourth game was
Speaker 1: ninety rushing yards. He was also one of the best
Speaker 1: personalities in the league during his time, one of those
Speaker 1: guys just a different thinker, came at life from a
Speaker 1: different angle. I always enjoyed what I called his lovably
Speaker 1: ponderous Twitter feed, which always had a lot of from
Speaker 1: the weird uh weird comments about life to just philosophical
Speaker 1: takes uh to a love of science. But he also
Speaker 1: had you know, sharp social takes whenever, like when the
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick situation was blowing up with the national anthem. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you went to Aaron Foster's Twitter feed, you could
Speaker 1: find some really measured, clear eyed looks at at that situation.
Speaker 1: And Foster is a guy think well, I don't think
Speaker 1: this is the last shell hear from him. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's the type of guy whether it's popping up
Speaker 1: I don't know about a studio show, but some some
Speaker 1: other realm and entertainment or some other path in life
Speaker 1: that keeps him in the public eye because I think
Speaker 1: he's that type of dude. I'm fascinated by free thinkers
Speaker 1: in the NFL because it's a sport that almost man's conformity.
Speaker 1: And there's a line of running backs going back to
Speaker 1: Dwayne Thomas with the Cowboys and even Joe Don Looney
Speaker 1: if you want to go back before that, John Riggins,
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams. Arian Foster is the latest in that line.
Speaker 1: And he said a few years ago when he was
Speaker 1: coming out of Tennessee. The reason why he went undrafted
Speaker 1: is because Tennessee's coaches bad mouthed him to NFL scouts
Speaker 1: and NFL executives because he wouldn't just submit to their authority.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much blame he bears for that,
Speaker 1: but he's an interesting guy. And on just a side note,
Speaker 1: this is the first player who really made me feel
Speaker 1: old as a fantasy analyst. I remember in my early
Speaker 1: day in two thousand nine when he was an undrafted rookie.
Speaker 1: I stumped for him hard and went to bat for him,
Speaker 1: and he was he was out on front of the
Speaker 1: Foster chain west Arian Foster was my boy. I remember
Speaker 1: putting his name in a magazine as a sleeper uh
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. I loved I loved seeing him
Speaker 1: in two thousand ten summers there was like yeah, fo
Speaker 1: whistling yall know I got this one right, say here's
Speaker 1: no but I say I was already blocking people on
Speaker 1: Twitter back then. Aaron Foster's career over at age thirty,
Speaker 1: Good luck to you whatever comes yeah next. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: also great man. He's also a reminder of how quick
Speaker 1: the NFL changes. He was getting drafted about seven rounds
Speaker 1: ahead of j g A six weeks ago. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean he was the Texans were on hard knocks last summer,
Speaker 1: which was never a good idea to draft him early anyways.
Speaker 1: But it just shows how how quickly it changed when
Speaker 1: he heard his groin last year. Whatever the injury was,
Speaker 1: because he always had an injury. As things came towards
Speaker 1: the end, it was seen as a massive loss for
Speaker 1: the Texans. But that's the way it works with that position. Guys,
Speaker 1: fade fast. Let's move on. Talk about an ugly situation
Speaker 1: for the Giants that they've been dealing with now. Uh
Speaker 1: and uh, they finally made the decision. The Giants announced
Speaker 1: Tuesday that they have released kicker Josh Brown. This is
Speaker 1: a statement from John Mara, the team president. We believed
Speaker 1: we did the right thing at every juncture in our
Speaker 1: relationship with Josh. Our beliefs, our judgments, and our decisions
Speaker 1: were misguided. We accept that response. It's ability went on
Speaker 1: to say, he hopes he Josh continues to dedicate himself
Speaker 1: to rehab and becoming a better person and father and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Uh, this is a situation
Speaker 1: where Josh Brown had been UH connected to domestic violence
Speaker 1: incidents with his wife. More and more stuff started to
Speaker 1: come out, especially last week. That sent things to the
Speaker 1: next level, which led the Giants, UH and the NFL
Speaker 1: to put him on the exemptalist UH and Giants signed
Speaker 1: a new kicker. And now saying goodbye to Josh Brown,
Speaker 1: Greg you were in London for the press conference when
Speaker 1: this thing took UH sharp turn against Brown and the Giants,
Speaker 1: And it was not a pretty scene, wasn't It was
Speaker 1: one of the most uncomfortable press conferences I've ever been
Speaker 1: in London. It was in London. Usually you'd expect it's
Speaker 1: a lot of oh, how you know, how you enjoying?
Speaker 1: You just arrived here, like literally they had gotten off
Speaker 1: the plane that morning. Bob McAdoo I thought handled it poorly.
Speaker 1: He was coaching. Ben McAdoo had a Bob handle it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, it's Bob alive, I hope so
Speaker 1: we mentioned his name. Uh. It was. It was terrible.
Speaker 1: He seemed unprepared. He just kept saying the same thing
Speaker 1: that we're looking for more information. And and I credit
Speaker 1: the the New York media for really holding his feet
Speaker 1: to the fire, pointing out previous statements. And that's why
Speaker 1: this giant statement feels hollow because they said they were misguided,
Speaker 1: but they had a lot of information before the last week,
Speaker 1: and it's confusing that the path that they took, and
Speaker 1: they and McAdoo just kind of stood there saying we
Speaker 1: stand behind Josh Brown. It was if you were gonna
Speaker 1: cut him, they should have just kind of surprising in
Speaker 1: a in a post Ray Rice world when this story
Speaker 1: first cropped up before the season began. Uh, I first
Speaker 1: time I heard about Oh, I said, he's gone. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's not like this is one of the great
Speaker 1: kickers of all time, which sometimes like it or not,
Speaker 1: that affects whether these guys stick on the team. He's
Speaker 1: Josh Brown. I mean, so you thought, oh, they'll get
Speaker 1: rid of them, bring someone else, and that's not the
Speaker 1: headache with this stuff, And instead they stuck by, which
Speaker 1: was a curious decision then and it only got worse
Speaker 1: and now they're dealing with the fallout such a complex issue.
Speaker 1: Diana moscow Witch from dead Spin, who used to work
Speaker 1: on our editor's desk, had a really good column this
Speaker 1: week pointing out that cutting players isn't really the answer
Speaker 1: because their girlfriends and wives rely on them financially so much,
Speaker 1: and it can also it can often exacerbate the problem
Speaker 1: at home between the couple when the husband is out
Speaker 1: of work. So I think the NFL what people want
Speaker 1: to see is to get ahead of the issue and
Speaker 1: not respond to public opinion. The problem with this one
Speaker 1: most people have in the beginning was the double standard.
Speaker 1: Why is Josh Brown getting to pass when other people didn't? Right?
Speaker 1: And when I'm when I'm picking on Macado, it's it's
Speaker 1: really not his fault. It's the organization putting him in
Speaker 1: a in a tough spot where he is basically forced
Speaker 1: to say things in a vague way to avoid telling
Speaker 1: lies because they is not He's not built and wired.
Speaker 1: He's a football coach. He doesn't know how to handle
Speaker 1: this situation. That's part of the head coaches job in
Speaker 1: the twenty one century head coach, Yeah, no, it is.
Speaker 1: And and there were just so many moments. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the UK media there is wanting to kind
Speaker 1: of have a nice press conference, but they just don't
Speaker 1: let the New York media basically go go after So
Speaker 1: score one for New York over London. Huh, there you go.
Speaker 1: I like that I like how you've taken this person.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Hey, you're in English. You know,
Speaker 1: I love you. It's funny, Yeah, it's funny. If you
Speaker 1: want to get Dan really mad um, just tell him
Speaker 1: that that you're more of a New Yorker than he is,
Speaker 1: because I am. You know, I lived there for ten years.
Speaker 1: I tell him that, not Dan from New York. Well,
Speaker 1: but you know, not the city I live. That aren't
Speaker 1: real people from New York. Greg grew up in a
Speaker 1: rich town. First of all, this has been proven from
Speaker 1: Twitter in a white suit. This has been proven by
Speaker 1: Twitter sources that that you're town much nicer town than
Speaker 1: the one I grew up in. But that's beside the point.
Speaker 1: Let me. Let me explain people that aren't actually from
Speaker 1: New York and then they moved to the city and
Speaker 1: and they slim into the city for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and then they could always say, oh, I lived in
Speaker 1: New York City. But if you're actually from New York,
Speaker 1: don't you don't have to. Obviously, you don't have to
Speaker 1: overly identify with the city alone. I grew up in
Speaker 1: the suburbs of New York City, so it doesn't make
Speaker 1: me less of a New Yorkers to a person from
Speaker 1: New York. New York is more than just the city.
Speaker 1: You're from New York. You grew up around people that
Speaker 1: My parents were born and raised in New York City.
Speaker 1: I lived in New York City after I grew up
Speaker 1: both in New York, in Manhattan and Brooklyn. And I
Speaker 1: don't have anything to be ashamed of. So don't try
Speaker 1: to hang that on many rows at all. Just because
Speaker 1: you never took to Martha's Vineyard and you had to
Speaker 1: go on, you got to start, you know, traveling around
Speaker 1: the country. You're looking for a place to fit in.
Speaker 1: I've never actually lived in Martha's Union, but okay, there
Speaker 1: you go. And I grew up in the coal town. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love New York. You should love my love of
Speaker 1: New York. I love New York. I have a lot
Speaker 1: more than Boston. And I know, but this is You're
Speaker 1: You're always like I love things more than you. I
Speaker 1: am this thing more than you are. You know what
Speaker 1: with the New York thing, let's you know, that's the
Speaker 1: wrong path. It's speaking of Twitter sources, streets are talking,
Speaker 1: and their word around the talking word around the campfire
Speaker 1: is not a cool town. Oh, big time cold town,
Speaker 1: Pearl River, not a coal town. From what big time
Speaker 1: cold town? That is our major industry. Is that the
Speaker 1: cold town from Gatsby's painting the picture. That's how we
Speaker 1: keep the lights on him. Okay, And I didn't have
Speaker 1: a dog, a little puppy growing up. Greg grew up
Speaker 1: on a compound, but they had all sorts of exotic
Speaker 1: a compounding from Africa in other places I had. I
Speaker 1: had a bird that at the bottom of the coal
Speaker 1: shaft we had. When that bird made a sound, that
Speaker 1: meant that there was air in that shaft, and that
Speaker 1: meant Dad was coming home for dinner that night. I
Speaker 1: don't think your dad was a coal miner. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yes, it's back. I've been waiting for
Speaker 1: that drop for years. Don't they'll take it away from
Speaker 1: this as if you call attention to it. Sorry, Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Let's talk a little New York. Can I
Speaker 1: talk about a New York team? Greg am? I allowed?
Speaker 1: Am I have New York or enough where I think
Speaker 1: it's something we share. I've moved past now comparing it.
Speaker 1: We both loved New York. Okay, good, all right? Geno
Speaker 1: Smith the Geno coaster has broken down for good in
Speaker 1: New York. Uh A m R. I revealed a torn
Speaker 1: a c L and you know West, just like Joe
Speaker 1: Namath had to apologize for this, I guess I should say, um,
Speaker 1: you know, for on Sunday Night Show, I questioned Geno
Speaker 1: Smith's level of injury, which you should never do. You
Speaker 1: should never question the man's testicular. Ford did and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done it. It's funny because even as you
Speaker 1: were doing it, I knew I shouldn't have been. I
Speaker 1: listened to the show. You guys did a great job.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really fun how you guys had
Speaker 1: everyone come in, Clay, Boon and Shook and they all
Speaker 1: did a great job. It was a fun listen. But
Speaker 1: as you were doing that, you guys, even at the moment,
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, this could go bad. Yeah, and what
Speaker 1: it did. Yeah, I could apologize to Genos with you
Speaker 1: doesn't give it what I have to say. But I
Speaker 1: will say Geno Smith did have an A c L
Speaker 1: tear that ended the season. I think Joe Namath is
Speaker 1: more defensible what he did than I did, because Joe listen,
Speaker 1: Joe Namath was told when he was twenty six years old,
Speaker 1: that by the time he was forty, he would have
Speaker 1: the knees of a ninety year old man, and he
Speaker 1: would tape up from ankle to hip his leg just
Speaker 1: to get on the field. So, from Joe's perspective, a
Speaker 1: guy that had and west as you know, the injury
Speaker 1: suffered in Alabama, a knee injury that would end a
Speaker 1: lot of people's career. They thought he basically had a
Speaker 1: five year window to play. People never saw the real
Speaker 1: Joe Namath who played at Alabama, who did three sixty
Speaker 1: dunks and was viewed as one of the most dynamic
Speaker 1: athletes in college football history, fast as hell, you know.
Speaker 1: And so Joe sees a guy standing on the sideline
Speaker 1: and he's like, what's he not doing on the field,
Speaker 1: Because Joe would have been playing, Probably the old zeus
Speaker 1: are probably has a less reason to be calling out
Speaker 1: anybody for knee issues. Although I did uh sprained my
Speaker 1: knee as a varsity basketball after playing through seven. I
Speaker 1: played well, I sat out a few weeks and then
Speaker 1: I came back. Didn't get a lot of p T.
Speaker 1: But all right, So the Geno coaster broke down to
Speaker 1: in a c l which did a couple of things.
Speaker 1: It it it relieved a really awkward situation brewing with
Speaker 1: the Jets, uh with Ryan Fitzpatrick, who who came out
Speaker 1: after the game on Sunday and basically said, nobody believes
Speaker 1: in me, from ownership to the front office, which, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I can't really condone. I
Speaker 1: was surprised to hear fits say that. It also kills,
Speaker 1: you know, Smith, who was trying to re establish his
Speaker 1: value a little bit heading into free agency. But now
Speaker 1: we got Fitzpatrick under center. I would think until the
Speaker 1: Jets fall out of playoff contention, uh, which and listen
Speaker 1: to us, we forked the Jets. I get it. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna fight that, but if you look at their schedule,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, doesn't take doesn't take Dan much to
Speaker 1: get back in. I saw you on Twitter throw this
Speaker 1: out there and someone was like, good to have you
Speaker 1: back in or whatever. You're like, who said, I'm back in?
Speaker 1: You're setting that tweet? Your back in? You make this
Speaker 1: case you're in. I'm just staying there. Two and five
Speaker 1: at Cleveland at Miami home to Rams Bye week in
Speaker 1: an awful, watered down a f c It is not
Speaker 1: insane to think the Jets can get to five and
Speaker 1: five and there by week. That's all. Now. I think
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are a much better team than the Jets
Speaker 1: right now, right now, maybe you're right, but doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that they can't beat them. I look back in, I
Speaker 1: look at those three. I'm always in. I'm just not like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna die. I'm not gonna die if they
Speaker 1: lose next week in Cleveland, because I'm hanging around the
Speaker 1: periphery like a perfect I'm always pert. But the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and Rams are looking at the Jets and thinking, well,
Speaker 1: that team is not better than us too. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: not crazy to imagine that winning, but you gotta win, Yes,
Speaker 1: And that would be a four game winning streak for
Speaker 1: a game that for a team that is flawed deeply.
Speaker 1: They got lucky little throne of throne of these in
Speaker 1: New York that you might get to face Kevin Hogan
Speaker 1: this week, because I probably would have thought that the
Speaker 1: Browns might finally get off the Schneida if they had
Speaker 1: old a lot of people Cody Kessler sling in the rock. Gosh,
Speaker 1: McCown is maybe in the picture though. This week, both
Speaker 1: Kesler and McCown have a chance, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's Kevin Hogan anyway. And then Todd Bowles and we'll
Speaker 1: move on now. Todd Bowles did have a nice little
Speaker 1: retort when I asked about uh Fits his comments after
Speaker 1: Sunday's game, Uh because Fits said I played better piste Off,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll be better that way, and Ball said, if
Speaker 1: piste Off is going to stop the turnovers, I'm more
Speaker 1: than happy to have him kissed off the whole time.
Speaker 1: He told reporters during commons, called well done, Todd. I
Speaker 1: listened to Ryan Fitzpatrick. I was surprised he took any
Speaker 1: grief for his comments. He was stating the obvious. Of
Speaker 1: course they lost faith in him. They just benched them
Speaker 1: for Gino Smith, someone they did not want to start.
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminded me of sometimes when we're
Speaker 1: taking on the shadowy League figures in here, we don't
Speaker 1: take it too well. We get a little angry. Maybe
Speaker 1: that helps us. And Eric day A Decker intimated uh
Speaker 1: this week also that Fits took a lot of frustration
Speaker 1: potentially out of that contract situation into the season, so
Speaker 1: kind of all bubbled over after that game. So that's
Speaker 1: what's going on on the jet wheel of misfortune at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. By the way, Tie Montgomery, still we
Speaker 1: don't know if he has RB status and Fantasy leagues yet,
Speaker 1: little update, breaking news. What was your tweet on this? Well,
Speaker 1: it's being treated with the seriousness of the Cuban missile crisis,
Speaker 1: like everbody calm down. That was a perfect tweet totally.
Speaker 1: I felt a little bad about it because I was
Speaker 1: tweeting off Alex Gelhar, who we love, who helped out
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Something he wrote in a very a tone,
Speaker 1: a solemn tone. It was something about the the situation.
Speaker 1: But it's not just the gel Hard thing, it is
Speaker 1: the entire fantasy community. Oh yeah, I paralyzed over this situation.
Speaker 1: People are coming down strong on both sides of the
Speaker 1: fence on this one. Right. I saw it, not to
Speaker 1: you know, name names, but I saw I saw, you know,
Speaker 1: other sites they were going to have like an at
Speaker 1: length discussion of pros and cons around not like they
Speaker 1: were wanted to hear what the fans think. They wanted
Speaker 1: to explain that they're they're just says. Here's what blew
Speaker 1: my mind. I see the Rotor world headline, big, huge headline,
Speaker 1: come across Twitter. Time Montgomery now are running back? And
Speaker 1: I went to click the link, expecting Mike McCarthy to
Speaker 1: say time Montgomery has been switched to a running back
Speaker 1: and he's now in the running back meeting rooms. No,
Speaker 1: it was just Matthew Barry saying that ESPN granted him
Speaker 1: running back. That's big. I didn't know that. That's huge.
Speaker 1: All right, it's going to the Supreme Court. That's going.
Speaker 1: It's one all the way to the top. That's what's
Speaker 1: happening in the news. Uh. Greg, let's just uh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's pause one more uh a second here, and we
Speaker 1: want to hear about uh the London trip. And I
Speaker 1: guess the first thing where I want to start was
Speaker 1: the tweet up which I challenged you on this podcast,
Speaker 1: even a sandwich wager, even which I can certainly um
Speaker 1: facilitate for you. At some point I said, there's no
Speaker 1: way you're gonna do it. You're not gonna meet up
Speaker 1: with the fans, because that's not a Greg thing. You know,
Speaker 1: hangs out in taverns uh, sucking down bruise with the people.
Speaker 1: Make it sound like I'm antisocial. Okay, maybe that's so
Speaker 1: much antisocial. But uh, you know, maybe we're strangers, isn't
Speaker 1: your idea of a good Saturday. Well, it's not so
Speaker 1: much that I am genuinely uncomfortable with that many people
Speaker 1: who like me. I'm used to people. I'm used to
Speaker 1: people not liking me or whatever. You know, at least
Speaker 1: they're in the middle. That Rosenthal moves the needle. You
Speaker 1: know what it's it's you know what, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I do I do. When we met up,
Speaker 1: when we did the tweetup at San Francisco, was it
Speaker 1: was great meeting all the fans. Uh, but it was
Speaker 1: for me a little overwhelming as well. So many loved
Speaker 1: every minute of it. You did, and I think you
Speaker 1: were able to handle it. You don't have the deep
Speaker 1: self hatred that I do. Those are my kind of people. Well, see,
Speaker 1: now you're positioning it as like you're the Buro every man,
Speaker 1: all right, West, you will give it to you if
Speaker 1: you want it. But it was it's not really about that.
Speaker 1: It's just about a lot of people all kind of
Speaker 1: looking at well, and I'm not much of a land
Speaker 1: or either, and it kind of came into I'm there
Speaker 1: by myself if one of you guys was with me,
Speaker 1: it would have been a no brainer. Hey, let's do this.
Speaker 1: Here we go. You know, Hey, I'm gonna set up
Speaker 1: a place. Here's the time, the place I'm gonna plan it.
Speaker 1: I haven't planned like anything in years period social engagement. Hey,
Speaker 1: here here's the place you can come. Come, you know,
Speaker 1: be nice to me. So here's here's what we said,
Speaker 1: our boy overseas. We said our heroes of usas our
Speaker 1: best soldiers, come on back, all right, come back to America.
Speaker 1: Say here's why you were in a win win situation.
Speaker 1: Though you I think this is the way it went down. Everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody was pretty much lost. Hope all of our British
Speaker 1: fans like this. Greg is not going to meet with us.
Speaker 1: It's late in the day, at the last minute. You
Speaker 1: just throw out the name of place and you're guaranteed
Speaker 1: to get at least a dozen people who just want
Speaker 1: to meet you and hang out. Well, it was it
Speaker 1: was cool. I was out with um some of the
Speaker 1: UK meet who covers uh the nfl um well, Gavin Paolo,
Speaker 1: our producer Ali Hunter, who does this talk sport to
Speaker 1: podcast and radio show. People should listen to that. I
Speaker 1: do a spot on every week, and so I was
Speaker 1: out with them, kind of hearing what it's like to
Speaker 1: be covering the NFL in the UK. Met up with them,
Speaker 1: had some drinks at some dinner, and I told them
Speaker 1: about the meet up possibility. They really encouraged me. Put
Speaker 1: it over the top of West. West really did it showing,
Speaker 1: you know, West convinced some people. You know, they were
Speaker 1: wearing the podcast jersey. There was a podcast hoodie. Someone
Speaker 1: sent a picture of that and then you know that
Speaker 1: really put it over the top. We gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: meet up. So I sent a tweet out and we
Speaker 1: went over to the bar and in twenty minutes later,
Speaker 1: you know, about ten people showed up. There you go,
Speaker 1: and it's important. I'm really happy you did do the
Speaker 1: meet Greg, because, uh, in studies of the metrics of
Speaker 1: this show, six of the entire audience of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast is from the United Kingdom, which is
Speaker 1: really an outrageous number when you think about it. And
Speaker 1: we could have been by the way, that's double more
Speaker 1: than any US state. Yeah, we could not. We could
Speaker 1: not be any more grateful for everyone that listens. And
Speaker 1: so if you wouldn't have not had any type of
Speaker 1: tweet up that would have been you know, you know,
Speaker 1: in hindsight, if in hindsight, if I could do it
Speaker 1: all again, I would have just done it three hours
Speaker 1: before the game at the stadium, because I would have
Speaker 1: had I had time then, and I sort of naturally
Speaker 1: had it. Anyways, I'm walking into the game unbelievable atmosphere
Speaker 1: where you had to walk about a half a mile
Speaker 1: from the train to the stadium, and it was just
Speaker 1: sort of how you imagine a downtown like old Baseball
Speaker 1: Stadium would be in in a US city, except this
Speaker 1: is kind of out in the out in the country,
Speaker 1: and there's just great food lining the streets, and there's
Speaker 1: thousands of NFL fans just walking towards the stadium. It
Speaker 1: was almost like a congregation. And it's cool that no
Speaker 1: one it's cool that it's not a home game because
Speaker 1: it's everyone. They're just kind of celebrating the fact that
Speaker 1: they love football. You know, it's all sorts of jerseys.
Speaker 1: The mood is great. And in that walk alone to
Speaker 1: the stadium, I must have met ten ten different people
Speaker 1: who just came up to me and and you know,
Speaker 1: there was there was a lovely listener from Belgium named Betty,
Speaker 1: Betty from Belgian Betty from Belgium who was then was
Speaker 1: living in London. Uh. You know, there was lots of
Speaker 1: fans and they came up and they all had different
Speaker 1: stories that that would have been the time to do.
Speaker 1: They all different stories. They all love the podcast for
Speaker 1: different reasons. They all came to the NFL for strange reasons,
Speaker 1: or like teams for you know, totally bizarre. You know
Speaker 1: some team that's like I like the Packers because my
Speaker 1: favorite soccer team was Green and Gold and so that's
Speaker 1: just what I picked and stuff like that. I like
Speaker 1: the shots of the crowd during the game, and I
Speaker 1: know it was a big Giants crowd, but you would
Speaker 1: see him one panoramic shot twenty different football jerseys from
Speaker 1: twenty different teams. I thought that was so cool. It
Speaker 1: was it was that was cool, and it reminded me.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is what it was like to
Speaker 1: like the NFL back in the fifties and sixties. I
Speaker 1: think you're right about that because you hear like Hunter S.
Speaker 1: Thompson writing about like going to Kay's Oar Stadium in
Speaker 1: San Francisco during the sixties where it's just people who
Speaker 1: love the sport before the rest of America catches onto it.
Speaker 1: And it's not even really about the team. It's about
Speaker 1: liking something that the rest of the people in your
Speaker 1: country have not gotten onto yet, right and it and
Speaker 1: it's gotten past being like a total niche sport. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's on TV all day Sunday. They can pack these stadiums.
Speaker 1: It's it's grown a lot in the last five years,
Speaker 1: but it's still at the point where if you're a
Speaker 1: fan there, you gotta be a real fan. Would you
Speaker 1: stay up to one thirty in the morning to watch
Speaker 1: a random Packers Bears game? Because a lot of those
Speaker 1: fans are you know think I would. Yeah, maybe if
Speaker 1: it was if that's all that was available, right, maybe
Speaker 1: you would. Um, But you know, it's stay up to
Speaker 1: watch the games, you know. They I think that's why
Speaker 1: the podcast has been popular. There hasn't been a lot
Speaker 1: of options for them to follow that option issue. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially back in the day, especially in the off season,
Speaker 1: a lot of people said, you know, three times a week,
Speaker 1: it's like we get nothing in the off season. It's
Speaker 1: great and and and they really liked that. We you know,
Speaker 1: on TV, there a lot of it's just X and
Speaker 1: as XS and ose and ousis. They like the narratives,
Speaker 1: they like the stories, the ups and downs and and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and they and they really like that.
Speaker 1: We covered that, right, I guess. And it's interesting because
Speaker 1: that's those type of narratives that the United States sports
Speaker 1: fan takes are granted because it's always being pounded upon
Speaker 1: us all angles because the sport is so huge. It's
Speaker 1: different out there, and it does remind me also like
Speaker 1: how the Premier League has really grown in popularity in
Speaker 1: the last ten years. I'd say in the United States
Speaker 1: where it has those niche, very loyal fan bases, they
Speaker 1: get to the bars super early. Uh. Good point. I
Speaker 1: think it's very similar to what's going on in the UK.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I got that feel there and I
Speaker 1: think it might be around the same level of popularity
Speaker 1: because Premier League does really well in ratings uh here
Speaker 1: on a relative scale where it's it's now at the
Speaker 1: point where it's more popular than than some sports that
Speaker 1: used to be big, like tennis or so. Are you
Speaker 1: calling these British fans sports hipsters? No, not at all.
Speaker 1: They just they just love they love the sport. They
Speaker 1: some of them really talked to you know, I talked
Speaker 1: to a couple that they thought it's run much better,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because the American audience is very cynical
Speaker 1: about how the NFL is run. But they they're comparing
Speaker 1: it to to soccer, and they said there there are
Speaker 1: never any changes in soccer. Good luck ever trying to
Speaker 1: change the rule good Even the idea of an owner's
Speaker 1: meeting to them was progressive. That's something the NFL has
Speaker 1: always had an edge on in other sports. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see better role changes in the next few years
Speaker 1: than we've had in the past few years. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was cool throughout the game. After the game, people
Speaker 1: coming coming up. London is great too. By the way,
Speaker 1: I just gotta give a shout out. I guess we
Speaker 1: gotta to London. I gotta. If the NFL doesn't send me,
Speaker 1: I will go to London myself. I'll take the family
Speaker 1: at some point or the wife and um. And one
Speaker 1: last note, so you know Connor and and Mark went
Speaker 1: last year, Greg went this year, West and I would
Speaker 1: love to go at some point. We really will continue
Speaker 1: to fight to get the whole podcast uh to London
Speaker 1: one of the and it is an uphill battle in
Speaker 1: this building. We've been pretty upfront about that. But that
Speaker 1: I think in terms of what are the goals of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast, how we where we want
Speaker 1: to take this thing, the four of us being in
Speaker 1: London for a show and meeting everybody and doing something big,
Speaker 1: there remains right near the top of the list. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna give up. We're gonna do that. And we're
Speaker 1: also gonna do We're gonna get the Huckapoos and Tybee
Speaker 1: Island for the Atlantis. That's also on the list. That's
Speaker 1: on the list. That's also on the list. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. I'll talk a little trade deadline, which
Speaker 1: yes is next week, next Tuesday, so in exactly one week, uh,
Speaker 1: the deadline passes the you know, the NFL trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Things will happen occasionally. What is the most famous trade
Speaker 1: deadline deal of the last ten years, fifteen years? Can
Speaker 1: we even think of one off the top of our head,
Speaker 1: which might explain Percy Harvin? Is there better ones which
Speaker 1: didn't lead to anything for either side? I mean there's
Speaker 1: in season trades like Trent Richardson, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: one thing that's always been A lot of fun about
Speaker 1: being a baseball fan is right on the deadline. You
Speaker 1: could always expect things to go down involving big names.
Speaker 1: In the NFL not so much. But I thought of one,
Speaker 1: and it was a guy that I saw bizarrely, I
Speaker 1: know it must have been the other one. Multiple jerseys
Speaker 1: at the game. Roy Williams to the Cowboys. But now
Speaker 1: I realized people were wearing the Roy Williams safety. Oh
Speaker 1: you're talking about the former Lions wide Yes, traded to
Speaker 1: the Cowboy. That's one. That's a big deal. Big deal
Speaker 1: there that did not work out. Yeah, anyway, So there
Speaker 1: are some names being floated out there, and we'll see
Speaker 1: if any of the move. I'm gonna go with the
Speaker 1: odds and say none of them. But some of these names.
Speaker 1: Tor Smith got another one, Carson Palmer, there was one.
Speaker 1: Now that's a good one. That's trade. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was a deadline exactly of it that was.
Speaker 1: I believe Hugh Jackson trumpeted that trade at the time
Speaker 1: as the greatest trade in football. Yeah. Well it didn't
Speaker 1: work out for Oakland, but it was a monster trade anyway. So, yes,
Speaker 1: Tory Smith San Francisco for the Diners wide receiver stuck
Speaker 1: in purgatory there, Uh, there have been some rumors connected
Speaker 1: to him. Alshon Jeffrey, who the Bears are obviously in
Speaker 1: a rebuilding mode. Is Jeffrey gonna be a guy that
Speaker 1: they build around or move? We've heard some things about him.
Speaker 1: And then Joe Thomas and Cleveland. This is an annual
Speaker 1: thing now with Joe Thomas because the Browns are annually rebuilding.
Speaker 1: Will they trade away a top tier or as he's
Speaker 1: still a top tier guy at this point. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but a very good left tackle to a contender seems
Speaker 1: like it would help both sides. But we'll see if
Speaker 1: it happens this year. Cleveland says, no, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: Joe Staley also being bandied about his five time Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl or Joe Staley who may be better than Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas at this stage of their respective careers, and Joe
Speaker 1: on Joe heat right there, Well, they play a position
Speaker 1: where half of the contenders need help, right It's to
Speaker 1: me that's where I'm looking for next week. In terms
Speaker 1: of the most likely things to happen. Staley really makes
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of sense. If you're the
Speaker 1: forty Niners. You probably are thinking, though, we don't we
Speaker 1: only have a couple of good players, do we do
Speaker 1: we want to trade one away? Thirty two years old?
Speaker 1: Will he be a part of the next good forty
Speaker 1: Niners team? I don't know. It depends. They're looking reportedly
Speaker 1: for a first round pick in exchange for it. Will
Speaker 1: there ever be another good forty Niners team? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. And you can say the same thing about
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, who is going to be thirty two in December.
Speaker 1: And you know what I tweeted. I did a kind
Speaker 1: of a quote retweet of an a t N article
Speaker 1: from yesterday where the Browns were not trading Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1: I wrote, why not? And then Connor Or, who as
Speaker 1: we know is a Browns fan, wrote, because for whoever
Speaker 1: you get at quarterback, you need that guy not to
Speaker 1: be terrified about what's happening on his blind side. But again,
Speaker 1: thirty two years old, by the time that next quarterback
Speaker 1: and that and this next nucleus that Hugh jack and
Speaker 1: and Sassi are trying to build, is Joe Thomas gonna
Speaker 1: be good anymore? He's probably gonna He's probably got one
Speaker 1: or two years left as alignment that you could count
Speaker 1: on the left side. Does he even want to leave Cleveland?
Speaker 1: Last year he was all but traded to the Broncos.
Speaker 1: The two teams agreed on a deal and Joe Thomas said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. Well, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's I think if the if the situation came up,
Speaker 1: or can we throw out it? Can I throw out
Speaker 1: a trade? Throw something out because and then we'll throw
Speaker 1: you out of here if it's bad. How about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, if Joe Thomas was over Tom. Sorry we
Speaker 1: hear we're hearing reports that Joe Thomas could you know,
Speaker 1: be available for a second round pick, and people are
Speaker 1: acting like, oh, that's so much for Joe Thomas. Are
Speaker 1: you are you kidding me? Who says no, Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: send a second round pick over to Cleveland for Joelton.
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, you have a you have a child. There's
Speaker 1: not he chalts you with his arms. A true New
Speaker 1: Yorker would not. That's true. Oh, magnificos. I'm standing over here.
Speaker 1: It's Greg in New York. I'm walking to you. Hey,
Speaker 1: give me a pizza. Oh go ahead, Yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 1: wasn't I was out getting a slice. Uh uh. Let
Speaker 1: Seahawks have a window here. They're they're one of the
Speaker 1: best teams of the last twenty years, and they're in that.
Speaker 1: They're in smack in the middle. Joe Thomas gonna give
Speaker 1: you at the very worst capable left tackle play for
Speaker 1: another couple of years to help protect Russell Wilson. It's
Speaker 1: this is a bold franchise. Take advantage of that window
Speaker 1: on this lousy offensive line. The Seahawks have shown that
Speaker 1: they're not afraid to move early round draft picks in
Speaker 1: exchange for veterans, and the way they sign undrafted free
Speaker 1: agents as rookies and their success with that, why not
Speaker 1: use that success to part with a second round pick. Know,
Speaker 1: you can just replace them with guys that you picked
Speaker 1: up off the heap. You keep drafting guys in for
Speaker 1: the offensive line first second round in some work, most
Speaker 1: of them don't. Why not you and a guy you know? Well,
Speaker 1: what about the basic mechanics of playing the position? I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know it. Maybe you guys can
Speaker 1: shed some light. If you trade for a Joe Staley
Speaker 1: or Joe Thomas, can you just plug them in as
Speaker 1: your left tackle? And not have to worry about anything.
Speaker 1: Is it that simple? It's a fair question. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're known as one of the great zone blocking schemes
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and Hugh Jackson does not have a
Speaker 1: zone blocking scheme. Tom Cable also known as one one
Speaker 1: of the best old line coaches in the NFL. A
Speaker 1: guy like Joe Thomas after ten years in the league,
Speaker 1: how much does he need coaching? He seems like a
Speaker 1: natural to me. That's a good one, Greg, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta see just like I mean, potentially the Browns
Speaker 1: say no, but the report reports out there is that
Speaker 1: they that they seem pretty open to it. Despite what
Speaker 1: Hughes said. I don't like the idea when you have
Speaker 1: like a once in a generation type talent at quarterback
Speaker 1: or one of the best guy is in the league,
Speaker 1: you don't give away a year of the prime their prime.
Speaker 1: The Seattle could be doing that if they don't get
Speaker 1: this guy some help, Russell Wilson, just like they did
Speaker 1: in Carolina with a blown up that secondary. It looks
Speaker 1: like they're going to kick away a year of Cam
Speaker 1: Newton's prime. Go for it. When you have these guys,
Speaker 1: I'll throw it out there actually see, I wanted to
Speaker 1: come up with a different one. I'll throw it out
Speaker 1: there because this guy there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: big question mark around him now. But I'll say it
Speaker 1: anyway because maybe there's more behind the scenes in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: uh that we don't know. And it's beyond just whether
Speaker 1: his health is right. But let's say Jamal Charles knees
Speaker 1: are okay, and it's more some something's cooking night and
Speaker 1: right now with Andy Reid and management and Jamal Charles,
Speaker 1: And that helps to explain partly why Spencer wear is
Speaker 1: the unquestioned dude back there right now. And then I
Speaker 1: look at a team like the New York Giants, all right,
Speaker 1: So a team that's offense is almost being held hostage
Speaker 1: a little bit right now by their inability to get
Speaker 1: a running game going at all. And I know they
Speaker 1: have offensive line problems as well, but I think if
Speaker 1: you can get something to get that offense a little
Speaker 1: shot in the arm, uh with that, with those wide
Speaker 1: receivers in that quarterback, maybe a Jamal Charles to the
Speaker 1: New York Giants taking a risk again, Eli Manning, thirty
Speaker 1: five years old, don't have a lot of time left
Speaker 1: with with him throw the dice. Second round pick Jamal
Speaker 1: Charles has one more year left on his deal. It's manageable.
Speaker 1: Three point seven five million with some other bonus is
Speaker 1: tied to it, but not an astronomical number. Who says no, Well,
Speaker 1: the Giants because the price is too high with the
Speaker 1: uncertainty in terms of the injury protected second round pick,
Speaker 1: it's a third round pick unless he rushes for a
Speaker 1: thousand yards. I think you're onto something here. It's not
Speaker 1: yards by the end of the season. It's not crazy,
Speaker 1: and I and I do wonder if the Chiefs feel
Speaker 1: like the situation is a little uncomfortable because he's an
Speaker 1: all time great and on some level they are benching him.
Speaker 1: I know he's not a hundred percent healthy, but he
Speaker 1: also said two weeks ago he is a hundred per
Speaker 1: cent and he played as a backup in that game,
Speaker 1: and then he seemed like maybe he had a setback
Speaker 1: in the Raiders game. I I don't think it's crazy
Speaker 1: to imagine been trading. I don't think it would cost
Speaker 1: that much to do it. And I think the Giants
Speaker 1: could find some running back out there. I think you're
Speaker 1: onto something because they need a running back badly, and
Speaker 1: maybe they can find one out there for a fourth
Speaker 1: or a fifth round pick. I don't think the Giants
Speaker 1: are good enough to make that trade. I think that's
Speaker 1: a trade of contender mix. Well, they're four and three,
Speaker 1: they're not good enough. Did you watch that game against
Speaker 1: the Rams. Eli was terrible. I just don't You're not
Speaker 1: gonna make that trade when you're already mortgaging your all.
Speaker 1: I agree with you that they're not good, but they
Speaker 1: have a really good defense. They probably think they're good.
Speaker 1: They have Eli and O'Dell and Shepherd. They probably think
Speaker 1: they're better than that. They're four and three from an
Speaker 1: organization standpoint. They also and they have every right to
Speaker 1: do so. Look at their team and be like, if
Speaker 1: we could just get in the playoffs, maybe we get
Speaker 1: on another hot run and we do it again, just
Speaker 1: like the other two years. They want a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Nobody thought they were going to do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe they just think that they can get there. Magic
Speaker 1: happens once again. Maybe Joe Staley is a much better
Speaker 1: target for them than Jamal Chal. Yeah, you got a
Speaker 1: first round pick playing at left tackle. It's a little complication.
Speaker 1: Should have been a right tackle to begin with, you
Speaker 1: got one West, you want to throw that one right
Speaker 1: there by the way, Little Joe Staley too, just kind
Speaker 1: of make it does make some sense. They have potential
Speaker 1: to have a top five defense. I know they're not
Speaker 1: there yet, but they there. They have a top five secondary,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I'm not gonna go with who says no,
Speaker 1: but who where's the better landing spot? Hypothetically that Cowboys
Speaker 1: make Tony Romo available? Now you're cooking with gas, stay
Speaker 1: in stay in Texas with Houston who has a window
Speaker 1: to win that division right now? And they know they
Speaker 1: might not admit it, but they know deep down brock
Speaker 1: Oswallers a seventy two million dollar boondoggle that was a
Speaker 1: mistake of epic proportions or dance New York Jets Tony
Speaker 1: Romo to the Jets. You know, I don't think the
Speaker 1: Jets may. I fear that the ownership Woody Johnson, who
Speaker 1: loves that kind of stuff, would make the move. But
Speaker 1: I think the one thing I have learned from the
Speaker 1: last two months of football is that the Jets weren't
Speaker 1: as close as they realize. So I don't think Tony
Speaker 1: Rome was a missing peace guy. I would have thought
Speaker 1: this a month ago, but now I kind of see
Speaker 1: more clearly, and I think the Jets see that as well,
Speaker 1: especially with Eric Decker out of the picture. So I
Speaker 1: don't think the Jets are a good option Houston. The
Speaker 1: only problem is, and it kind of goes back to
Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier, you're paying brock Oswell or
Speaker 1: a ton of money, even if you can get out
Speaker 1: of it next year, it's thirty seven million guaranteed. Tony
Speaker 1: Robol gets paid a ton of money. How do you
Speaker 1: afford that ball guys in your roster? Yeah, it's it's logically.
Speaker 1: He's tough to trade because it's gonna hurt the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna hurt whoever you could go to. I
Speaker 1: could see him maybe replacing old j Cutler, maybe Chicago
Speaker 1: next ye. He is an eastern Illinois guy, right, I
Speaker 1: don't think. Also, I don't think Jara wants to send
Speaker 1: If he's gonna send Tony out of town, he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to send him to the other Texas team where
Speaker 1: it could potentially come back to bite him. That's true. Sneaky,
Speaker 1: sneaky rivalry there between Texans face even if they doesn't
Speaker 1: like that what about all right, I'm gonna throw one
Speaker 1: out here, all right? Who says no alson Jeffrey probably
Speaker 1: maybe not gonna be back with the Bears next year. Anyways,
Speaker 1: goes to a team. You gotta be a little desperate
Speaker 1: right now to trade for al Sean. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good player. You gotta be a little desperate. And
Speaker 1: who's more desperate than Rex Ryan and a GM and
Speaker 1: front office that doesn't know if they're gonna be around
Speaker 1: next year. They gotta win in record. They got enough
Speaker 1: to believe they could just be good enough. But they
Speaker 1: got no on that wide receiver. Let's send him for
Speaker 1: a second round pick. Who says, now, you know, if
Speaker 1: Rex tells Willy to do it all happen, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: improve their team dramatically? They could really use it all?
Speaker 1: Sad Jeffrey, I guess that's obvious. Little Tyrod Taylor deepall
Speaker 1: what's the terms of the I said, second round pick?
Speaker 1: Maybe he could do it for a third. They traded
Speaker 1: Martella's Bennett for a fifth or something. I think he
Speaker 1: is the waste in Buffalo. What they want to run
Speaker 1: the ball every down there but you but you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't have championship aspirations with Robert Woods as your
Speaker 1: number one, they can't have championship aspirations period. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't think the Bills are a championship team.
Speaker 1: Why why pay a second round pick for a guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna give you a chance to get a wild
Speaker 1: card birth I don't know. Well, when when jobs are
Speaker 1: on the line, that's when desperate type of trades happen.
Speaker 1: And uh, to me, that's the Bills right now. They're
Speaker 1: kind of a playoff for bus team. So you might say,
Speaker 1: what's a wild card spot gonna do? But it might
Speaker 1: get Rex Ryan. Isn't a three year contract? Isn't it
Speaker 1: time for the Bills to stop making overly emotional decisions
Speaker 1: and be prisoners of stopping prisoners of the moment like
Speaker 1: they did with Lashawn McCoy, who was dragging his leg
Speaker 1: on the first the first play of the Bills offense
Speaker 1: last week. It was a bad idea to put him
Speaker 1: out there. It was an overly emotional decision and money
Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL don't make that decision. Austan Jeffred
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go to Buffalo either, So are you
Speaker 1: gonna be able to retain him at the end of
Speaker 1: the year. Nobody wants to play in Western New York,
Speaker 1: although it was perfectly nice area. That's they pay him
Speaker 1: the They pay him the right money. They give him
Speaker 1: the right I'm gonna pay him and Sammy Watkins, they
Speaker 1: pay him the right offer. Before you running tee agency,
Speaker 1: Alshan Jeffrey not for nothing, and we say, Emmy Watkins
Speaker 1: is cheap right now, They won't be cheap in a minute.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey not playing well this year either, But you could
Speaker 1: say the quarterback, but I brod Hoyer has been was
Speaker 1: putting up actually pretty good numbers when he was in
Speaker 1: the lineup, and him and Jeffrey were not getting on
Speaker 1: the same page. I don't know if you send Alshon
Speaker 1: Jeffrey to play a Tyrod Taylor on the fly if
Speaker 1: he even makes an impact. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor couldn't find Sammy Watkins enough to satisfy the
Speaker 1: bills for an office. Is he gonna find Alshan Jeffrey enough.
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor's got a pretty deep ball, he does, and
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor is playing well, but finding number one receivers
Speaker 1: might not be his forte. It was it was a
Speaker 1: good one, Greg, it was good. It was it was
Speaker 1: I think, I think it's it makes sense. Bills, come
Speaker 1: at come with me, do it and make me look smart.
Speaker 1: They need to stop doing what is right though they
Speaker 1: seem they would do a trade like this, and this
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't really seem to work in the NFL. When
Speaker 1: you get all cute, I don't know, we'll see all right,
Speaker 1: anything else. Let's move on Thursday Night Football preview AFC
Speaker 1: South is But but you know these teams still deserve
Speaker 1: a prime time stage every once in a while. People.
Speaker 1: This but thing happened while I was gone building a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I listened to the Sunday show and
Speaker 1: it felt like a callback. I I did not listen
Speaker 1: to the Thursday show. Thank you for your support. It
Speaker 1: was born on a Thursday. Um. Anyway, the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: Titans both teams coming off losses. The Jaguars got spanked.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we know the Raiders can't defend anybody.
Speaker 1: And when you are in your building and you can't
Speaker 1: move the football and your quarterbacks mess like Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: is right now, you you start to lose hope. Even
Speaker 1: Jags ladies losing hope. I just you know one thing
Speaker 1: about Jack's lady, though, you don't lie about where you are.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're a beach house, is I was
Speaker 1: in Miami with my new beach house. Well it was
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes from this. Okay, let's say you're
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes on the beach. M hmm. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're really the one to be
Speaker 1: picking on someone for you know, hometown and location accuracy
Speaker 1: based on this whole coal mining uh controversy. That is
Speaker 1: how our town breathes. In a fit of brilliancy, one
Speaker 1: of our followers tweeted at me that the Jaguars are
Speaker 1: that lady. They were sold to us as a beach house,
Speaker 1: but they're actually three minutes from the beach that I
Speaker 1: think his name was Eric Deedle, our previous done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're giving Sessler two more days to get back, if
Speaker 1: not get that guy in the chair joining the podcast. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So now they the Jaguars travel to Nashville to face
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans West, a battle of two teams. UH
Speaker 1: that thought they had quarterbacks that we're going to anchor
Speaker 1: their season, but instead both those quarterbacks are struggling and
Speaker 1: the team's falling behind. Yeah, I know, I've been pounding
Speaker 1: on boardles mechanics and they got worse. I think they
Speaker 1: were worse against the Raiders, and they've been all year.
Speaker 1: And I know they have running game issues, and I
Speaker 1: know his decision making is part of the problem. He
Speaker 1: doesn't read the field well. But there are screen grabs
Speaker 1: of him dialing back to pass and his arm the
Speaker 1: ball is pointed towards the ground. This is what's going
Speaker 1: on with his motion right now. It's taking him back
Speaker 1: down here before he goes up, and defensive linemen are
Speaker 1: batting down balls. Receivers aren't getting two balls because it
Speaker 1: takes so long for him to wind up and throw.
Speaker 1: And what shocks me is that the Jaguars coaches are
Speaker 1: not addressing this. Is gonna say if you can see it,
Speaker 1: if people on Twitter are seeing it, and the play
Speaker 1: is obviously through the floor right now, are we reading
Speaker 1: anything out of Jacksonville that they're trying to fig sis mechanics? Nothing?
Speaker 1: What is going on with Blake? Reporters are asking the
Speaker 1: questions and Gus Bradley is not answering with any kind
Speaker 1: of answers about the mechanics of his quarter but they
Speaker 1: thought they were good on offense. They didn't really change much.
Speaker 1: They added Chris Ivory. They thought this is an explosive offense.
Speaker 1: I'm I think they're flummixed. I'm flummixed. I loved watching
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles last year. He is a big loss for
Speaker 1: me in terms of believing what I see because he
Speaker 1: made more wow plays per game than any quarterback in
Speaker 1: the league. Well, I feel like there's only one person
Speaker 1: in the podcast studio that was saying, let's hold off
Speaker 1: on Blake Bortles. It's fair. Remember that the old the
Speaker 1: old zoos, sir, and we haven't get you, Dan Hans
Speaker 1: despite city, hold on, hold on, I don't get many
Speaker 1: victories like this, please, Mark would, but you would be
Speaker 1: breaking it up. You're the only one that would bring
Speaker 1: it up here. It is sweat and bullets up is yes,
Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of victories in this realm
Speaker 1: so sound, it's it's crazy. Allen Robinson is seventy one
Speaker 1: in the league in receiving yards right now. By the way,
Speaker 1: he's not playing well either. He's dropping balls left and
Speaker 1: here's some players with more receiving yards in him Hunter,
Speaker 1: Henry Adam Thielan, Jeremy Curly, Kevin Coleman. I think Lee.
Speaker 1: I think you're right Lee. Lee does have more. Hearns
Speaker 1: does too, So yeah, Bino Tiger has more yards than Allen.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And their defense, which has made strides, it's better.
Speaker 1: It's a little more frisky. Dead last in the league
Speaker 1: in turnovers, turnovers forced, and that's what those Seattle Gus
Speaker 1: Bradley types of defenses harp on. So that's really not working.
Speaker 1: What's working for them nothing. I think they're lucky to
Speaker 1: be too and or I think Titans are gonna win
Speaker 1: this game. Titans have an offensive line. Titans have Delaney
Speaker 1: Walker too, like Titans have a pass rush. They're not
Speaker 1: a great team, but I think they're They're in the
Speaker 1: mix to be interesting. I think the Jaggers could easily
Speaker 1: be O and six if you look at their two wins.
Speaker 1: They did not play particularly well offensively in either one
Speaker 1: of those games. For for most of those games, Titans
Speaker 1: play and they beat two bad teams. Titans play everyone tough.
Speaker 1: They have been within a score on the good side
Speaker 1: of the bad side of every game in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter this year. I find them fun to watch because
Speaker 1: they're a little different. DeMarco Murray is having a great season.
Speaker 1: Uh there, you know, like I said, the pass rush,
Speaker 1: they're they're not They're not a bad watch. Give it
Speaker 1: a shot, Danny, all right. I mean I'll watch the
Speaker 1: game because I watched the games at the prime time,
Speaker 1: but I won't be happy doing it. Julius Thomas is
Speaker 1: a bust again. The quarterbacks the problem though, So what
Speaker 1: do you what can you say if I don't think
Speaker 1: you can really call any of these receivers bust. It's
Speaker 1: all body Chris Ivory. So Ivory is not the same
Speaker 1: explosive guy that you saw with the Jets. I mean
Speaker 1: he wasn't even by November of last year. But they
Speaker 1: had no problem giving a ton of money anyway. T
Speaker 1: j yelled in three point three yards per car. I
Speaker 1: mean there are problems. They're not getting to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: What happened to Saxonville was there's you know, all sorts
Speaker 1: of problems with Jacksonville. To watch the Titans then, because
Speaker 1: the Jags are not going anywhere right now, I think
Speaker 1: that's a cell. Watch the Titoons on Thursday night. Marone
Speaker 1: want an issue, Well, man, this Jacksonville schedule is is
Speaker 1: not bad looking though well over team is bad. All
Speaker 1: I was thinking was Gus Bradley, likable guy. He's got
Speaker 1: these I don't think they'd fire him in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season. He's got these ten games, and if
Speaker 1: things don't turn around drastically, that that's gonna be it
Speaker 1: for him. I don't that's it's not a surprise he's done.
Speaker 1: They just can't do what they did last year, and
Speaker 1: that's the problem. He's done. I don't like, you know,
Speaker 1: you get really upset about guys getting canned, and we
Speaker 1: all do. They're all human beings. But if I if
Speaker 1: I can lock something in a lock of the week,
Speaker 1: I think both that's cruel, both both Gus and the
Speaker 1: man upstairs. His name escapes me. Right now. He's necessarily done.
Speaker 1: I could see, I could they If they go three
Speaker 1: and thirteen, I think that they're gonna blow things up.
Speaker 1: But we'll see. Here we go. That's it. That's it
Speaker 1: for Tuesday's edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We
Speaker 1: will be back on Thursday, where we will recap the
Speaker 1: game that we just talked about, KFC South matchup, and
Speaker 1: then we will preview all of the week eight games
Speaker 1: to come on Sunday and Monday night. So thank you
Speaker 1: again to everyone from listening. Greg, good to have you back.
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