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Speaker 1: of the year. You need somebody off the bench. He's
Speaker 1: gonna come in. He's gonna give you twelve and eight
Speaker 1: and a block and a big steel and he's gonna
Speaker 1: move the ball. Well, the crowd's gonna overly react to
Speaker 1: anything I do, like sarcastically, like, yeah, they're gonna chant
Speaker 1: for you at the end of blowouts. He didn't stumble
Speaker 1: and die. Yeah. Remember Ricky Pierce, Yeah, you're the Ricky
Speaker 1: Pierce of our podcast. Um so this is a situation. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is a situation. We're gonna hold this pot together
Speaker 1: with a little bit of spit and a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of bailing wire. Bailing wire, uh some uh
Speaker 1: ta tuscular fortitude, Oh nice, maybe some twine. Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: still out of the office. He's uh not feeling himself
Speaker 1: right now. Well I hope he's not feeling himself. He's
Speaker 1: not feeling well right now, a little bit under the weather.
Speaker 1: Uh So Mark not with us. Hopefully he'll be back
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Greg, of course in London, um where he
Speaker 1: covered the Giants Rams game that everyone or a lot
Speaker 1: of people watched this morning. So what we're gonna do,
Speaker 1: uh with some bodies missing today, We're gonna get Greg
Speaker 1: on the phone a little bit later, uh soon actually,
Speaker 1: because it's almost I think two am in England right now.
Speaker 1: Uh So we gotta get him on the phone so
Speaker 1: you can go to sleep. Uh. And then we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some people that help downstairs in the newsroom uh
Speaker 1: cover some games for us today. We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: rotating um chair right here to my right and have
Speaker 1: them sit in and talk football with it. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun show, a different show, but still
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the most exciting game of Sunday. Let's
Speaker 1: get it going, said, forty two yard field goal for
Speaker 1: the way and justin start up enough tash marks snap
Speaker 1: the Plants been swinging to the right leg, kick to
Speaker 1: the uprights and it is God but San die called
Speaker 1: Churchers it overtime defeat the ap platof Falcons. Thirty. Oh
Speaker 1: there it is the call from Josh Louon of k
Speaker 1: I O Z. Who's the kicker for the Chargers. I'm
Speaker 1: playing in his name, Jo Josh Lambeau. Swung that right
Speaker 1: great name, swung that right leg. The San Diego Chargers
Speaker 1: wiped out a huge first half deficit, tied the game
Speaker 1: in the final minute of regulation, and then, following a
Speaker 1: huge fourth down stop in Atlanta's first possession of overtime,
Speaker 1: got that game winning field goal from Lando, a thirty
Speaker 1: three to thirty win over the Falcons. Chris Westling Connie
Speaker 1: Fox now that for once the Chargers did the stealing
Speaker 1: and it's given them some new life in the a
Speaker 1: f C. She got the lock of the week right
Speaker 1: and locked it up. She locked it up, And that's
Speaker 1: a shout across West's about because you hate the lock
Speaker 1: of the week, Well, yeah, how can you hate it
Speaker 1: when that the lock sound is so visceral. I don't
Speaker 1: like the concept of it, but the execution has been
Speaker 1: pretty good. With you begging people to say whether you're
Speaker 1: gonna lock it up? You were executed in this spot.
Speaker 1: Go ahead was let's stop this game. But a lot
Speaker 1: going on at the end of this game, as people
Speaker 1: tuned in. You had Dion Jones, the Falcons. Wonderful rookie
Speaker 1: couldn't wrap up Melvin Gordon on a third and one,
Speaker 1: and then Robert Alford knocked the ball out of Antonio
Speaker 1: hands into your Gates hands at the goal line. Next
Speaker 1: dry Falcons come back once again. Julio Jones is not
Speaker 1: given the benefit of doubt on a passenger appearance that
Speaker 1: really shaped a fifty eight yard field goal for Matt
Speaker 1: Bryant that grazed the crossbar just as it hit the upright.
Speaker 1: Uh it fell the way, by the way that the Chargers,
Speaker 1: who have been blowing games all year statistically, they lost
Speaker 1: those first four games, two of them that they had
Speaker 1: a nine pcent chance to win, And it was historic
Speaker 1: the way they did it. I thought for sure, fifty
Speaker 1: eight yard from Bryant, even though he's forty one, he
Speaker 1: was either gonna drill it or they were gonna have
Speaker 1: some stupid penalty San Diego that would lose the game.
Speaker 1: So when that happened, you're like, oh wait, maybe this
Speaker 1: is a little different. Then we go straight to overtime.
Speaker 1: Man dan Quinn hangs his red Zeppelins. Fourth down, he
Speaker 1: hung some Zeppelins is a big onion. Giant sweet Spanish
Speaker 1: onions are good, and a red Zeppelin is a big
Speaker 1: red onion. Didn't work, though he knows when he makes
Speaker 1: that call at his own forty five yard line that
Speaker 1: that's the game. That getting one yard determines whether the
Speaker 1: Falcons win or lose that game, because it's an easy
Speaker 1: whatever Phil Rivers has to go, whether it's fifteen yards
Speaker 1: or seventeen yards from that point to get in field
Speaker 1: goal range, the game's over if the Falcons don't make it.
Speaker 1: And Denzel Perriman, who's come up big since he got
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup last year, stops DeVante Freeman for
Speaker 1: a loss on fourth down. Clay, But I liked that call,
Speaker 1: did you. I know some people thought it was a
Speaker 1: little overly risky, but I like the onions. I try
Speaker 1: to separate. I mean, I'm okay with onions, but I
Speaker 1: try to separate the play call from the decision to
Speaker 1: go for it. Right, And you just got stopped on
Speaker 1: third and one, you actually lost yardage, And so they
Speaker 1: come back and and try to run up not at
Speaker 1: the same spot. They go in between the guard and
Speaker 1: the tackle and it you heard a garbage hot take downstairs?
Speaker 1: You are the hot take on Budsman of NFL media.
Speaker 1: What was the hot take you heard that? You corrected? Well,
Speaker 1: our our good friend Ali was about to say, well,
Speaker 1: if you don't get this, you don't deserve to win.
Speaker 1: And that's one that I've been asking myself for a
Speaker 1: long what does that mean? Well, you know, if if
Speaker 1: they don't get this one, they just don't deserve to win. Like,
Speaker 1: how many times does the team won a game after
Speaker 1: they after something happens where they quote unquote don't deserve
Speaker 1: to win. I think that's one of those things that
Speaker 1: we just say a lot and it's like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't deserve that, But it doesn't make it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what that means. They can
Speaker 1: still pump the ball, get a stop and when they
Speaker 1: could have sat Snards will tell you that getting one
Speaker 1: yard is easier than holding the other team for the
Speaker 1: rest of the game. But all fourth and one situations
Speaker 1: aren't created equal, and when the defense knows you're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball and fourth and one, the percentages go
Speaker 1: way down. This was a game that Falcon the Falcons
Speaker 1: had in hand or in the first half. I believe
Speaker 1: it was at one point in the first half. Uh,
Speaker 1: they Chargers cut it to seventeen the Falcons and had
Speaker 1: the ball at the end of the half, And it
Speaker 1: just seemed at any moment, whether it was at the
Speaker 1: end of the second quarter, in the or in the
Speaker 1: second half, the Falcons were gonna go on that uh
Speaker 1: you know, put up another seven to ten points, seven
Speaker 1: or fourteen points and turned the game into a laugher again.
Speaker 1: And it just never happened. And you gotta give credit
Speaker 1: to the Chargers, I will say, and uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I was in favor of forking them, uh for the
Speaker 1: very reason that they were uh their record and then
Speaker 1: their schedule. But they again have proved here that the Chargers,
Speaker 1: because of their offense, where they could score probably thirty
Speaker 1: against just about anyone, if they could just get some
Speaker 1: defensive play and then can make some plays at the
Speaker 1: end of a game where they've struggled, they're gonna win
Speaker 1: a lot of these games. And they showed it today
Speaker 1: against one of the best teams in the NFC. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just the best game of the day, was the
Speaker 1: most impactful game of the day because the Falcons were
Speaker 1: threatening to run away with the NFC South just to
Speaker 1: go out and hide as the best team in that
Speaker 1: division by far. And if you take their defense, which
Speaker 1: for three quarters in this game looked like they're following
Speaker 1: the two thousand nine Saints defense blueprint as an opportunistic group.
Speaker 1: They've got as many defensive touchdowns as any team in
Speaker 1: the league. They have eleven sacks of the last three games.
Speaker 1: They were look looking a little frisky, and now you
Speaker 1: look at them and say, well, they've given up twenty
Speaker 1: six or more points in six of seven games and
Speaker 1: on offense, they're the most explosive offense in the league.
Speaker 1: But Tevin Coleman, who was their game breaking threat out
Speaker 1: of the backfield, goes down with a hamstring injury in
Speaker 1: the second half, spends the second half in the locker room,
Speaker 1: and that looks like a multi week injury, I think.
Speaker 1: And then you look at the other side San Diego.
Speaker 1: We we buried them, or we wanted to bury them,
Speaker 1: and there to me, they look like they have as
Speaker 1: good a chance as any team in the a f
Speaker 1: C West to win that division right now. I think
Speaker 1: they're definitely the most interesting team, uh in the a
Speaker 1: f C in terms of those teams kind of under
Speaker 1: the bubble or on the bubble right now. So we'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it. And before we move on,
Speaker 1: I did troll Collie in a little bit. Well, we
Speaker 1: had our fun with colleeen on Thursday when she locked
Speaker 1: up this game for the Chargers. Before you go to that,
Speaker 1: we should mention Joey Bosa. Okay, he's gonna win defensive
Speaker 1: lookie Rookie the Year if he doesn't get looks dominant,
Speaker 1: he is flat out dominant. Two more sacks today and
Speaker 1: two of his first three games, He's got multiple sacks
Speaker 1: in addition to the times he was hounding Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: in the backfield. He's the defensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean they should have had him
Speaker 1: on the field for the first couple of games of
Speaker 1: the season. Maybe water under the bridge at this point,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Collie and I trolled her a little bit
Speaker 1: on Twitter when it was uh and I it's only
Speaker 1: fair that I gave her the opportunity to leave me
Speaker 1: a voicemail that would be played on the podcast. And
Speaker 1: I have not heard this voicemail yet. Sydney will now, Um,
Speaker 1: you know we're all gonna take what's coming to us
Speaker 1: for doubting Colleen's lock of the week. It's Connie leaving
Speaker 1: a voicemail. It's like, not really my thing unless I
Speaker 1: can't get to the end button soon enough, and then
Speaker 1: it's just like an awkwour thing. But this is for real.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know. UM, I really
Speaker 1: hate when people gloat, like nobody it's gloating more than me,
Speaker 1: except when I'm doing it the San Diego Chargers. I
Speaker 1: locked it in. I channeled Sessler. I think he has
Speaker 1: everything to do with this they won. They beat the
Speaker 1: Falcons with the injury riddle secondary all the odds against
Speaker 1: me and them. So if sandwiches are involved, I'll have
Speaker 1: an Italian vote with oil and vinegar, hot peppers and
Speaker 1: thanks Harters. This is like the ultra rare setting the
Speaker 1: um the wager after the the situation happened? Is this
Speaker 1: gradiity sandwich? Does this a penalty for your preemptive troll? Baby?
Speaker 1: Did you notice what else she did there? But nobody
Speaker 1: hates gloating more than she does, just like nobody loves
Speaker 1: the Falcons more than she does, and she picks against
Speaker 1: them for the lock of the week. Very interesting. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Keen him out of the gun five wide
Speaker 1: on an empty set, third and tenth from the Giants
Speaker 1: fifty let's just write me up. Back down to the
Speaker 1: ground comes he throws off his back foot hierarchy football
Speaker 1: left side comedy Quadra's Primarty picks it off. He was
Speaker 1: the only one in that zip code. He intercepts it
Speaker 1: nonchalantly walks out of the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1: Case keenom four picks in the game, and that one
Speaker 1: will put this game on ice for the Giants. Yes,
Speaker 1: uh DRC had the game that the interception that clinched
Speaker 1: uh the win for the New York Giants, but it
Speaker 1: was Landon Collins pick six in the first half to
Speaker 1: turn the tide in London, where the Giants took advantage
Speaker 1: of four case Keenom interceptions, the last one you just heard.
Speaker 1: They're called by Bob Papa of w f A n Uh.
Speaker 1: The fourth interception locked up a seventeen ten win for
Speaker 1: the Giants over the Rams at Wickenham Stadium. Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: was at this game, and now I believe he's gonna
Speaker 1: join us from his cottage estate in the hillside. We
Speaker 1: got Greg Rosenthal on the line. What's up, buddy? What
Speaker 1: is happening? You sounds tired? What time is it? Look
Speaker 1: at all that fake energy I got? Are we on? On?
Speaker 1: We are on? It's uh to in the morning. Look
Speaker 1: at you? Look at you? Greg? Well, I think the
Speaker 1: best way to do this, Greg, because I know you
Speaker 1: are tired. So we'll save kind of the talk about
Speaker 1: your trip to London for Tuesday's show and maybe just
Speaker 1: why don't we just focus our conversation right here a
Speaker 1: little bit on the game. And I guess, um, if
Speaker 1: you could tell me a little bit about what you said,
Speaker 1: what was the vibe in the stadium today? The fan
Speaker 1: breakdown tell us a little bit about being at this
Speaker 1: game today at wicken Num Stadium so close. Oh so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get killed for that. It was awesome. I
Speaker 1: had so many people comments on our mispronunciation. Um, the
Speaker 1: vibe was incredible. Just the walk from the train station,
Speaker 1: it was packed, kind of like the four train would
Speaker 1: be in in New York up to a Yankees game.
Speaker 1: And then the walk through the neighborhood of just tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of NFL fans, tons of insane jerseys, and
Speaker 1: the crowd. I mean, you know, it's it's tough to
Speaker 1: compare it to any other games. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: quite like a super Bowl atmosphere. But they were ready
Speaker 1: to to see some great plays which didn't really happen
Speaker 1: in the game. It was it was a lot of
Speaker 1: Giants stands and it was probably like half Giant stands
Speaker 1: and then half there maybe not even that much. And
Speaker 1: then and then the rest the rest people just looking
Speaker 1: for something to cheer from and not really getting it.
Speaker 1: Did the people that didn't really um, were there to
Speaker 1: look for something to cheer from. Did they understand how
Speaker 1: terrible case Keenum was down the stretch of this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was. There was eleven straight punts at
Speaker 1: one point. I mean. The crazy thing is that the
Speaker 1: Giants offense was probably as bad or worse than than
Speaker 1: the than the Rams. They had two and thirty yards
Speaker 1: of offense. They didn't top forty five yards of rushing
Speaker 1: for the third grade game. So I I again, I
Speaker 1: felt bad for the London crowd that they got this
Speaker 1: lousy game. But at least at least it was exciting
Speaker 1: at the end, and the crowd was loud. You know.
Speaker 1: Henry Hodgson, Uh Handsome Hank was sitting next to He
Speaker 1: said he thought it was the loudest that any International
Speaker 1: Series game was. Maybe it was the stadium. The stadium
Speaker 1: was just really cool. I think they're gonna end up
Speaker 1: playing there for a long time. And what what were
Speaker 1: some other takeaways of the game for you? Huh? What
Speaker 1: do we got? I mean, they gotta they gotta put
Speaker 1: there coffin, right, Yes, they gotta put a Jared goff
Speaker 1: This is like a couple of weeks over due now
Speaker 1: in my opinion, What's what are you waiting for? Seven
Speaker 1: or nine? Bs, it's insane, and there were you know,
Speaker 1: we reported Steve Weiss reported that he's been making progress
Speaker 1: and practice and they're not as anxious. And I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking Fisher might might give a tip to
Speaker 1: that right after the game, but he came out before
Speaker 1: anyone even asked the question and said it wasn't our
Speaker 1: quarterback's fault. We got a lot of bigger problems than
Speaker 1: our quarterbacks. I'll change the receivers before I changed the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta defend Jeff Fisher on this one.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff was brutal in the preseason. He was obvious
Speaker 1: that he wasn't close to being ready to start, and
Speaker 1: this team was three and three heading into this game.
Speaker 1: They have to worry about getting into the playoffs, not
Speaker 1: not getting a rookie ready to play. You're gonna watch
Speaker 1: this game, man, I mean I watched. I'm saying before,
Speaker 1: I'm saying before this week, I don't think anyone should
Speaker 1: have been criticizing that decision. If you want to turn
Speaker 1: to him now, that's fine, you're three and four, But
Speaker 1: I don't think, yeah, I don't think that you can
Speaker 1: really second guess if you didn't definitely second guessing because
Speaker 1: by like for instance, having him playing this game, he
Speaker 1: basically threw this game away. Jared Goff is even worse.
Speaker 1: We don't know that, but you didn't watch him in
Speaker 1: the preseason. He wasn't ready to play. They're coaching staff
Speaker 1: knows he wasn't ready to play that when the preseason matters,
Speaker 1: this is a nice West trade. Listen, I'm telling you, dude,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't season matters when a quarterback can't do anything
Speaker 1: before the snap or after the snap, those things you
Speaker 1: can tell in the preseason. Jeff Fisher says he's he's grown,
Speaker 1: though we're not. As Let's see the kid. You drafted
Speaker 1: him number one. This is not a developmental pick. Get
Speaker 1: him in the lineup. Everyone else is playing their guys. Now,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid here in Case Keenom, you start Case Kingdom,
Speaker 1: you're afraid. That's the way it seems to me, right.
Speaker 1: I think if you listen to what they're saying behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, they were the ones that were putting it
Speaker 1: out there that he wasn't ready, And to me, they're
Speaker 1: kind of putting it out there now that they think
Speaker 1: he probably is. And I wouldn't be surprised as as
Speaker 1: adamant as Fisher was after this game. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if that's the situation like the Jets have, where
Speaker 1: he has time to watch this game, and he was
Speaker 1: quick to say the interceptions were in all the spot,
Speaker 1: which was true. But there was another fifty passes, including
Speaker 1: about three, four or five wide open guys down the
Speaker 1: field where Keenom's just throwing pop slides. I mean he
Speaker 1: he doesn't have an NFL arm. And you watch Mannion
Speaker 1: and Golf warming up for the game and they swing it.
Speaker 1: All right, do you want to Greg? Do you want
Speaker 1: to stay on and talk a little Pats football or
Speaker 1: do you want to go to bed? I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you the option here, all right, I'll stay on. I
Speaker 1: also want to say, I know, I know we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about I know we're gonna talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the rest of the London experience on Tuesday, But I
Speaker 1: do want to say it was awesome everyone that came
Speaker 1: up to me today, especially and the and the guys
Speaker 1: I met at as you meet up, let's say they
Speaker 1: love the podcast. It was it was overwhelming how many
Speaker 1: people UH came up and just kind of recognized me
Speaker 1: as I was as I was running around, And they
Speaker 1: love you guys. They love listening to the podcast every
Speaker 1: every Monday morning to shout out to all of them. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a it's amazing how loyal and how really large
Speaker 1: are our fan bases in the UK. So that is
Speaker 1: that is awesome to hear. Sid Let's uh, let's move
Speaker 1: on to some throne of ease action. Third and seven
Speaker 1: for the Patriots from the Pittsburgh thirty Andrew stabs a
Speaker 1: fact format left for Pittsburgh. Tom throws down the left
Speaker 1: scene for Cris Cried past the five of the end zone.
Speaker 1: He takes a Steeler defender on the way to a touchdown. Patriots.
Speaker 1: Bob Sochi of kb Z the New England Patriots keep rolling.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady threw two more touchdown passes without a turnover,
Speaker 1: and Landry Jones didn't make anyone forget about Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: as the Patriots moved to six and one in NFL
Speaker 1: Best six and one sixteen win at hines Field. Mr Wesling.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh had their chances in this game, but they couldn't
Speaker 1: play sharp enough to uh to hang with the NFL's
Speaker 1: best Right now, Yeah, from I had an eye on
Speaker 1: this game, and and it surprised me that Landry Jones
Speaker 1: was probably the best he's ever been in the NFL
Speaker 1: preseason or regular season. He wasn't an embarrassment in this game,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I expected him to be.
Speaker 1: But then Brady and Gronk were just too much and
Speaker 1: and la Garrett Blunt is on pace for his best
Speaker 1: season ever. What did you see, Greg? Well? The thing
Speaker 1: that struck me with them is they score. When they score,
Speaker 1: they score so fast, they score in bunches. It happened
Speaker 1: against the Bengals, and it happened a bit in this game.
Speaker 1: That they can just tread water for a quarter or
Speaker 1: twenty minutes at a time, and it's like they're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what the problems that the defense is
Speaker 1: presenting and then they just solve it and they just
Speaker 1: bash you with grounds crazy that. Yeah, my takeaway here
Speaker 1: was and I did the same thing as west Or.
Speaker 1: I kind of had an eye in this game. I
Speaker 1: thought Pittsburgh had a chance in this game, just like
Speaker 1: last last week, Cincinnati had their chances uh Pittsburgh if
Speaker 1: they would have played a little sharper, a little better football.
Speaker 1: They could have really had a chance to steal the
Speaker 1: game here, which you know at home you say, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you mean steal game? But the Patriots or
Speaker 1: the Patriots and playing without Roethlisberger is such a problem.
Speaker 1: But you have you had a situation here where you're
Speaker 1: you're getting penalized where that had you had a touchdown
Speaker 1: wiped out on a penalty. Yeah, Jones who through a
Speaker 1: terrible end zone uh interception, and you just you can't, Clay,
Speaker 1: you can't make those mistakes against the Patriot. They missed
Speaker 1: two field goals, and you missed two field goals, and
Speaker 1: that there was the one in the first half that
Speaker 1: was an issue. And then Darius, Hey, we're bade by
Speaker 1: the way in the past two games, like who is
Speaker 1: this dude? Playing this guy dynamic? It's like a completely
Speaker 1: different guy. But like I said, the holding penalty wipes
Speaker 1: away the touchdown, they missed the field goal. Edelman fumbles
Speaker 1: the punt return, and at that point they could get
Speaker 1: a touchdown making a game, or at least a field goal.
Speaker 1: They don't get any. That's the exact moment it was
Speaker 1: relegated to second TV status for me, the smaller TV,
Speaker 1: the Edelman fumble in the second half, it's I think
Speaker 1: a ten point eleven point episode. At that point, they
Speaker 1: can't move the ball at inch, maybe a yard or two,
Speaker 1: and then they settle for a fifty four yard field
Speaker 1: goal temper in some conditions that and it's always hard
Speaker 1: to kick in Hindes field, and you knew the guy
Speaker 1: was gonna miss the kick, and of course it goes
Speaker 1: wide right by a mile, and that was essentially the game.
Speaker 1: You know, they clearly didn't have anything left in the
Speaker 1: tank right at that You're in a good position right now,
Speaker 1: Mr Rosenthal. Well, it sets up well for the game
Speaker 1: next week against the Bills, which now feels like if
Speaker 1: the Patriots win that game, I mean, they haven't clinched
Speaker 1: the East, but it feels like the A f C
Speaker 1: East is almost so not halfway through the season. I'm
Speaker 1: not counting on them necessarily winning that game, but suddenly
Speaker 1: you'd be up by what three games halfway through the
Speaker 1: season without any real things to worry about. Well, because
Speaker 1: it's the throne of ease, Lashawn McCoy aggravated his hamstring
Speaker 1: injury and you would have to you would the guests
Speaker 1: either he's not gonna play or he's not gonna be close.
Speaker 1: Come on, an m VP candidate will be sitting the
Speaker 1: bench against the Patriots next week. Come on, Greg, Well
Speaker 1: they've gotten they've got a little lucky. They're playing well
Speaker 1: the a f C. It's working out nicely in terms
Speaker 1: of the injuries and the luck. I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna second guess that. But you know it's it's
Speaker 1: just the first half of the season. And I'll let
Speaker 1: you go Greg on this note. And uh, listen the
Speaker 1: hashtag gradual decline it's coming. Everybody's just everybody's got to
Speaker 1: be paid ship with this though. I will tell you
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady has played three games the Patriots of
Speaker 1: one all three completion rating thousand yards, eight touchdowns, zero interceptions.
Speaker 1: M it's only gonna make the gradual decline look even
Speaker 1: a little bit more decline. E. That's the way I'm
Speaker 1: looking at us. I heard the jury still out on science.
Speaker 1: Hey we found it, Greg, did you hear who has
Speaker 1: a gradual of decline? Right now? Me? And in this performance? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta get you off to sleep. By the way,
Speaker 1: before before I go, I'm here watching sky Sports, you know,
Speaker 1: which is telecasts all the games here in uh in London,
Speaker 1: so we can take these guys out. I mean, we
Speaker 1: would provide better now here in between the games. A
Speaker 1: shot across the sky Sports in a big spot, Greg,
Speaker 1: bring us over, bring us over, sky Sports, put us
Speaker 1: on all on, bring Clayban over to hey. People will
Speaker 1: love it. Good idea. Let's get out of here. On
Speaker 1: one question, Greg, can you guess what Gronk said after
Speaker 1: he caught his sixty eight career touchdown pass. Wow, something
Speaker 1: something stupid about sixty? He said one morning I got
Speaker 1: sixty s Wait, hold on, that's not only said. Then
Speaker 1: he goes you know what I mean with I imagine
Speaker 1: a wink. Go to sleep, Greg, Mr subtlety, alright, good night,
Speaker 1: see you Tuesday, buddy. Safe journey home. Let us move
Speaker 1: on to a big NFC matchup. The ball booted into
Speaker 1: the heart of the wind. It is Huff emerging from
Speaker 1: the lip of his own goal line up to the
Speaker 1: fifteen across midfield taladere right side five soon for a
Speaker 1: tuftles Josh Huff his second career kick return for a
Speaker 1: t D ninety eight yards. Josh Huff's ninety eight yard
Speaker 1: kickoff return, as you heard from Mel Reye of w
Speaker 1: i P Sports Radio ninety f in the second quarter
Speaker 1: gave the Eagles a lead they'd never relinquished in an
Speaker 1: ugly game that started with five consecutive turnovers. My own,
Speaker 1: it was the Eagles that came out on top win
Speaker 1: over the Vikings, who Christopher Westling are no longer undefeated.
Speaker 1: Bumping the road or cause for concern for the team
Speaker 1: of around the NFL. I think there's some cause for concern.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that yard kickoff retterm was all
Speaker 1: the offense in this game, and it wasn't even offense
Speaker 1: special teams, but these two teams have five turnovers in
Speaker 1: the first ten minutes of the game, which is the
Speaker 1: first time that's happened in thirty years, is the last
Speaker 1: time there were that many turnovers in the first ten
Speaker 1: minutes of a game. This supposed to be like one
Speaker 1: of the top matchups in the league. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteens. It was actually kind of fun
Speaker 1: to watch. It was good defense and it was bad
Speaker 1: offensive line play, specifically for the Vikings. Sam Bradford all
Speaker 1: three of his first half turnovers came as the result
Speaker 1: of pressure. Jake Long signed off the street former number
Speaker 1: one overall draft pick. They had a three man rotation
Speaker 1: going on at tackle. Jake Long look to me like
Speaker 1: was responsible for two strip sacks first half. That's not good.
Speaker 1: Itmost like there was a reason that he was on
Speaker 1: the street to be signed off of And and when
Speaker 1: the Vikings lose two tackles, it's they lost so much already.
Speaker 1: There's always so much for them to deal with, but
Speaker 1: losing two tackles seemed like it really showed, especially against
Speaker 1: the Eagles. They don't have a ground attack to really
Speaker 1: keep defenses honest either, and doesn't look like they're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to make a trade for a guy like
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, who Pro Football Talk reported that the Browns
Speaker 1: won a second round pick for him. Rick Spielman told
Speaker 1: uh NFL Networks Judy Batista last week that he's not
Speaker 1: surreending any more draft picks after giving up one for
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford, and and I believe he only has fifty
Speaker 1: dollars to work with under the salary cap as well,
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to find an in house answer
Speaker 1: at tackle, and I'm not sure that's possible. That is
Speaker 1: not easy. Minnesota had been turned over free for fifty
Speaker 1: seven uh straight offensive possessions to open the season. So
Speaker 1: things changed, Patrick claybun real quick. What about the Eagles?
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, this is obviously, going by what we're
Speaker 1: hearing here, this wasn't a dominant performance at least by
Speaker 1: their offense. And Carson Wentz still doesn't look like the
Speaker 1: guy that we saw the first few weeks. But another,
Speaker 1: that's a big win for them, knocking off an undefeated team,
Speaker 1: and and every a lot of people were saying, oh,
Speaker 1: this team has headed down down to Earth, the third
Speaker 1: three game losing streak on the way, but it said
Speaker 1: they got a big win and thinking a big win
Speaker 1: at home over the team that nobody would have argued
Speaker 1: with you and when you said that this was the
Speaker 1: best team in the NFL. And so they come in
Speaker 1: on Sam Bradford's revenge game and they really just snuff
Speaker 1: out the liberation game. Actually we decided, and they're able
Speaker 1: to and they're able to to to move the ball
Speaker 1: some we saw wins have a touchdown pass to Doyle Green,
Speaker 1: Beckham Matthews had a big run. They were there. Of course,
Speaker 1: they made the mistakes, but they made those mistakes and
Speaker 1: they still won. So their defense looks like it's different
Speaker 1: at home than it is on the road. There's so
Speaker 1: much more dominant at home, only averaging seven point seven
Speaker 1: point it's allowed in three games so far at home.
Speaker 1: And they the Vikings couldn't get anything done on offense
Speaker 1: in this game. And while we were we're getting set
Speaker 1: for Game Day Live today, Mike Nolan saw this game start.
Speaker 1: We were watching in the Greek and he uh, we
Speaker 1: were talking about how the Eagles were blitzing, and he
Speaker 1: immediately said, well, that's what you gotta do against North
Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't blitz, then he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna tear you apart and that and that's what
Speaker 1: they did. And you can see it. Really it's gonna
Speaker 1: bug anybody. But Sam Bradford was really having some difficulty
Speaker 1: dealing with the pressure today. Yeah, I on Thursday I
Speaker 1: did think this game could be a problem for Bradford,
Speaker 1: just because I I guess I need to see a
Speaker 1: little bit more from him to really take us away
Speaker 1: from everything else we've seen from Sam Bradford in his
Speaker 1: entire career, and this to me was a little disconcerting.
Speaker 1: Now that and if the line is not gonna be
Speaker 1: any good. Maybe the maybe the Vikings are gonna come
Speaker 1: down to earth, or maybe this was just a little
Speaker 1: team of a t L yips they had this week.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they shake it off. Well, the Vikings have
Speaker 1: a good coaching staff. To me, they'll regroup, go go
Speaker 1: with a different plan of attack and fix this thing.
Speaker 1: Who knows, but the offensive line is definitely the area
Speaker 1: of vulnerability this year. Let's check out another big matchup
Speaker 1: in the NFC. Twenty two seconds left, Stafford out of
Speaker 1: the gun, three receivers stacked to the left side. Matthews
Speaker 1: got it back to pass looking left growing it is caught,
Speaker 1: tots doff the trucks that fall into the stands back
Speaker 1: with sixty seconds lift about dot quarterback. Excellent call from
Speaker 1: Dan Miller of m W j R. Matthew Stafford operated
Speaker 1: the two minute drow precision connecting with an kom bolden.
Speaker 1: What it mattered most lifting the lines to a seen
Speaker 1: win over the Redskins at Ford Field. And now we're
Speaker 1: joined to my right. Yes, sat in well quaffed. Thank you,
Speaker 1: impeccably quaff impeccably quaffed. Alex gelhar Uh, producer, fantasy writer
Speaker 1: extraordinaire uh NFL Fantasy Podcast. Uh. Here he is to
Speaker 1: talk about the game. Stepped in big pinch hitting performance
Speaker 1: as a writer of this game, writing up this game
Speaker 1: at the dot com. What's up? Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: The studio audience is really generous here. You know, I
Speaker 1: listened at home so much. It's great to receive such
Speaker 1: a warm welcome. But I feel like I've made it
Speaker 1: to the big leagues here. You know, you guys number
Speaker 1: one podcast in NFL media. You have a sponsor something
Speaker 1: that we don't. So it's it's good to be here.
Speaker 1: And you know there was a mantra at this company
Speaker 1: back in the day of of one media group. So
Speaker 1: with Sessler down, you know, we were more than happy
Speaker 1: to step up to the plate here. Well, thank you,
Speaker 1: Mr gilhar and let's talk about this game. What did
Speaker 1: you see from Maddie Stafford? And this I'm sorry Matthew.
Speaker 1: We've been told you can only call him Matthew. But
Speaker 1: once again, you know, this offense didn't start that great
Speaker 1: in this game, but they finished. They did finish, and
Speaker 1: what was what slowed them down early was Josh Norman
Speaker 1: shadowed Marvin Joe largely out of the gate. He was
Speaker 1: in the slot a couple of times that took Norman
Speaker 1: off of him, but he didn't see a target until
Speaker 1: the third quarter, which left the passing attack to manufacture
Speaker 1: touches through Golden Tate and kind of like a souped
Speaker 1: up theoretic role. And then the running game really couldn't
Speaker 1: get going either. Was Zack center and justin for set
Speaker 1: I think averaging somewhere around three point six yards per carry.
Speaker 1: So once Norman went down, that helped open things up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Marvin Jones connected on a big reception
Speaker 1: with Stafford that set up ja Zenter's touchdown, and then
Speaker 1: the offense was able to get rolling a little bit
Speaker 1: in the second help what happened to Josh he on
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones really great catch was a fifty two yard
Speaker 1: reception down the field. Norman was in tight coverage. Jones
Speaker 1: made the play, but he was concussed when he hit
Speaker 1: the turf afterwards and did not return. Some people go
Speaker 1: he suffered a concussion, some people say he was concussed.
Speaker 1: Clay Bonn, where do you come down on this? I'll
Speaker 1: just go with he hit his head on the ground
Speaker 1: really hard and he left the game and he was
Speaker 1: being evaluated, uh for a concussion. Well we'll see what
Speaker 1: that means for his status going forward. And then the Redskins,
Speaker 1: they we thought they had this game. That's a tough
Speaker 1: loss and in a division that's very competitive the end
Speaker 1: of C's this is a game that they're gonna rewatch
Speaker 1: and know that they let get away because they had
Speaker 1: a ton of misques that that costs them. Matt Jones
Speaker 1: fumbled into the end zone. He now has nine fumbles
Speaker 1: on only like two hundred some career touches in two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not good. He he rode the pine for a
Speaker 1: little while afterwards. They also had a field goal that
Speaker 1: actually hit the top of the upright and was denied,
Speaker 1: which was kind of baffling. They had over two hundred
Speaker 1: yards of total offense in the first half and three
Speaker 1: points to show for it. I wrote about that on
Speaker 1: the end around. Uh. The kicker Dustin Hopkins. Hopkins the odds,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say the the upright is like the
Speaker 1: size of a coaster the top of it. Let's say
Speaker 1: your standard coaster pint glass bottom. Yeah, okay, forty five
Speaker 1: yard kick. The the upright is ten yards up for
Speaker 1: the goal post, and then it goes up thirty five feet.
Speaker 1: It was thirty until two years ago. Now it's thirty five.
Speaker 1: So basically it hit a target that was forty five
Speaker 1: yards away and forty five ft up and plumped the
Speaker 1: top of it and didn't even make the kick. It was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty remarkable. At least two points. Those odds
Speaker 1: are infantesta give a couple. Give him ten points for
Speaker 1: christ like, I would change that rule. Get the cop Sydney,
Speaker 1: get the Competition Committee on the line. If I told
Speaker 1: you that Matthew Stafford had the most fourth quarter comebacks
Speaker 1: and the most game winning drives in the NFL since
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, would you believe me? I believe in
Speaker 1: the couter? I would. I would because the Lions. The
Speaker 1: Lions are down a line, so that helps when to
Speaker 1: set up fourth quarter comebacks, in game winning drives when
Speaker 1: you're trailing in the fourth quarter. We all believe in
Speaker 1: the couter. Yeah, I mean president right exactly. Well, it's
Speaker 1: gonna get some votes. Kanye v. Couter is going to
Speaker 1: be one of the great all time presidential races. Anything
Speaker 1: else to take away from this game, Mr? Gel What
Speaker 1: I thought was really interesting was the Lions came into
Speaker 1: this game as Football Outsiders twenty fifth ranked pressuring defense.
Speaker 1: They could not manufacture a pass rush with the ants
Speaker 1: of being hurt, and then Heloni Nada was same time,
Speaker 1: but they got a lot of good pressure out of
Speaker 1: kind of a crew of guys in the middle with
Speaker 1: Kyrie Thornton he's a Packers cast off, Carrie Hyder Jr.
Speaker 1: And undrafted rookie, and then Armani Bryant, who they scooped
Speaker 1: up from the Browns. They hit Kirk Cousins eight times
Speaker 1: and brought him down twice, which was a big key
Speaker 1: and eventually slowing down that Redskins passing attack. Um, Alex,
Speaker 1: your colleague Marcus is coming in next. He is. Since
Speaker 1: you are the producer of the NFL Fantasy Live podcast,
Speaker 1: I will let you give the plug because I feel
Speaker 1: like you're uniquely qualified from oh me, Well, thank you.
Speaker 1: You guys can find it on NFL dot com, slash
Speaker 1: Podcast as well iTunes or Stitcher, whatever you used to
Speaker 1: download it. Episodes come out late on Monday and then
Speaker 1: late on Friday as well. Monday is recap, waiver wire,
Speaker 1: all injuries, all that jazz, and then Friday is our
Speaker 1: look ahead to the weekend matchup sleepers and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: There you go, Alex Gelhar pitge hits. He bit it
Speaker 1: over the fence. Guys, he went deep. Mr Gelhart, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, my pleasure. Let's give him a round
Speaker 1: of applause. Oh, thank you got this audience is the
Speaker 1: bad say a. Guys are the best fans in podcasts.
Speaker 1: We did, we do even the fake ones. All right,
Speaker 1: So Mr Gallahart steps out and let's move on with
Speaker 1: a a f C East battle. Pannio back to thrill
Speaker 1: Blitz coming. He gets it off, wants it down field,
Speaker 1: wants Parker's got him. He breaks the tackle, He's at
Speaker 1: the thirty, He's at the twenty, He's at the ted Touchdownmiwow,
Speaker 1: what a turner rock in this game. Wow, Sills come back.
Speaker 1: What a great catch and run? After that was Jimmy
Speaker 1: Cefalo and Bob Greasy Cefalo Cephalo of w q A M.
Speaker 1: I will get that wrong forty five more times by
Speaker 1: the end of the season. Kenny Stills, Yes, salted this
Speaker 1: one away, But it is j A. G I who's
Speaker 1: the Dolphins wonder Wall. The British running back became the
Speaker 1: fourth player in NFL history to deliver back to back
Speaker 1: two yard rushing efforts, leading the Dolbins to a comeback
Speaker 1: win over the Buffalo Bills. And now another NFL dot
Speaker 1: Com Fantasy stalwart, Marcus Grant sits to my right, just
Speaker 1: comes right in, very smooth, replaces out scal hard and
Speaker 1: he Marcus wrote this game up for NFL dot Com.
Speaker 1: What's up? What's going on? I appreciate it. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you invite now. I don't know if this was on purpose,
Speaker 1: but uh, it's kind of a little known fact. Wonder
Speaker 1: Wall is the pump up song for the NFL Fantasy
Speaker 1: Live podcast Before every podcast, we sit here in this
Speaker 1: same studio and we we roll through Wonderwall one time
Speaker 1: before we started energy. It's kind of a mid tempo ballad.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think it was something that really gets your rolling,
Speaker 1: you know, as as Matt Francisco Vista Franchise once said,
Speaker 1: you don't find your hype music, your hype music finds you.
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. So tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about this game, because at one point the Bills we
Speaker 1: were ahead seventeen six, and everything looked like it was
Speaker 1: ready for the Bills to keep their winning ways up,
Speaker 1: continue that winning streak, and then here came Miami out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Yeah, I mean, obviously the big story was
Speaker 1: Jagi going over two hundred rushing yards for the second
Speaker 1: straight game and really just looking like a completely differ
Speaker 1: back then we saw early in the season. I mean,
Speaker 1: Week one, he got left at home when the Dolphins
Speaker 1: left on their road trip, and it looked like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was kind of on his his last chances there
Speaker 1: with the team. But the last two weeks he has
Speaker 1: looked like a completely different running back and he's really
Speaker 1: kind of saved or resurrected the Dolphins offense. But early
Speaker 1: in that ballgame he talked about the Bills jumping out
Speaker 1: to a lead. A lot of that had to do
Speaker 1: with Miami mistakes, a lot of dumb penalties, poor special
Speaker 1: teams play. I mean at one point that the Bills
Speaker 1: were set up on the Dolphins forty yard line after
Speaker 1: a twelve yard punt um. But offensively, it was it
Speaker 1: was hard for the Bills to manufacture anything. They didn't
Speaker 1: have any of their receivers. With Robert Woods out, Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy was not the same guy playing on a bad hamstring,
Speaker 1: and he got a question that decision in general now
Speaker 1: in hindsight, of course, but now that he's aggravated an injury,
Speaker 1: that seemed like he heard it. And I think Wednesday
Speaker 1: on practice they pushed through it. They haven't played, even
Speaker 1: though there were a lot of reports floating that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't play. Now he might have injured it worse. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we got the Patriots up next. That hurts. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely hurts because watching them without Lashawn McCoy, at least
Speaker 1: without him at with no real wide receiver help to
Speaker 1: speak of, there's nothing out there. I mean, Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 1: did the best he could try to move that offense,
Speaker 1: but there's just there. There are no threats in that
Speaker 1: offense at all, with no Sammy Watkins and no Shady
Speaker 1: from what you saw today, would you expect Shady to
Speaker 1: sit next week? I think they would. I mean did
Speaker 1: he really tried to gut it out, but by the
Speaker 1: end he was wrapped up, had a big ice pack
Speaker 1: on his on his leg. Uh. You know, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Mike gillis Ley is not a terrible running back. I mean,
Speaker 1: he showed some things a little bit when he got
Speaker 1: an opportunity It's just that by the time they put
Speaker 1: him on the field, I think things had really started
Speaker 1: to fall apart for the Bills. We don't nobody knows anything.
Speaker 1: We learned this every year in the UH. The lade
Speaker 1: leader in sacks, Lorenzo Alexander, who now has nine on
Speaker 1: the season at West That that really UH that that
Speaker 1: blows ones went away. I have never heard of a
Speaker 1: thirty three year old breakout season for a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I think it's unprecedented. Some people tweeted me that Trace
Speaker 1: Armstrong had a really good year late in his career
Speaker 1: for the Bears, but he was good before that. Bertram
Speaker 1: Barry had another like late season Indian summer season. These
Speaker 1: guys were good before that. Lorenzo Alexander was a special
Speaker 1: teamer and apparently one of the greatest guys in the NFL,
Speaker 1: because nobody says anything but great things about him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he looked and he had the sack today. But on
Speaker 1: the whole, that linebacking group kind of wasn't as impactful
Speaker 1: as they had been in the past. I mean that
Speaker 1: group with Alexander, the two Browns at Preston and Zach
Speaker 1: and and Jerry Hughes. They have been kind of doing
Speaker 1: a lot of damage today. They were a little bit quieter.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Dolphins are gonna get in a
Speaker 1: little run here? They think there's something here where they
Speaker 1: can get going and get kind of in this playoff picture. Uh,
Speaker 1: coming off a big win like this, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think they can. I think because the defense is starting
Speaker 1: to come around and play better right now. That's a
Speaker 1: big help. And I think they found something with jay
Speaker 1: A g I I mean, I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: for Adam Gays was to get away from this three
Speaker 1: or four headed running back committee. He was trying to
Speaker 1: run and I think they're gonna have to lean on
Speaker 1: him until Ryan Tannehill can figure it out. If Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill can never figure it out. Two things about the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Mary Williams showed up in a big way
Speaker 1: in this game. He uh had an impactful performance. Was
Speaker 1: even I think I don't know who he's hugging a
Speaker 1: coach on the sideline. Clearly was kind of an emotional
Speaker 1: release now that he was able to make an impact
Speaker 1: in this game. And uh Handsome Hank are resident Dolphins
Speaker 1: fan thought and Domininsu played his best game as a
Speaker 1: dolphin in this game. So if he's gonna play like
Speaker 1: the guy they thought they paid a hundred million for. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's a bit. I thought the front seven played very well.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's Sue Williams, Cam Wake, those guys
Speaker 1: up front really got after. It's against that Bill's offensive
Speaker 1: line that had been playing as well as any outside
Speaker 1: of Dallas. Really. Um Gelhart plugged the Fantasy podcast and
Speaker 1: he did a great job. But a great plug. I
Speaker 1: will let you pug anything you want, even in your
Speaker 1: personal life. What you know to the ladies out there
Speaker 1: were live on pariscope right now, or I don't know
Speaker 1: anything or about the Fantasy podcast or your own right
Speaker 1: and give us something. Well, how about this we do
Speaker 1: later on the night on Sunday night, I guess should
Speaker 1: say that I do things I learned from the week,
Speaker 1: where I just kind of compile some of the tweets
Speaker 1: of the guys in the Fantasy Stronghold, all the things
Speaker 1: we saw during the day that that kind of caught
Speaker 1: our attention, and so we kind of compile that into
Speaker 1: a bunch of things that we learned, uh in fantasy football,
Speaker 1: which you know, the takeaway is that we learned that
Speaker 1: we really don't know much of anything. I if I
Speaker 1: were you, I would have sold myself to the female
Speaker 1: fan base. But that was your decisions. Kind of striking
Speaker 1: new hairstyle. I thank you. I've tried to switch it up.
Speaker 1: Go do something new. Is it's a it's a beautiful journey.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the hairstyles of Marcus. All right, Marcus Grant,
Speaker 1: thank you for sitting in, buddy, thank you, and get better,
Speaker 1: sus get better, sess free Sessler. Here we go. Let's
Speaker 1: keep it moving with another a f C game involving
Speaker 1: an an FC East team. To go before halftime. Under
Speaker 1: center is Ryan Fitzpatrick. Anderson motions from left to right.
Speaker 1: That's a thirteen yard lot of Baltimore and back to throw.
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick middle screen, caught by forte half the ten half.
Speaker 1: The five powers his way into the end. Zode. That's
Speaker 1: a Jet touchdown and the Jets are a punt after
Speaker 1: away from taking a leave. Were the one to go
Speaker 1: on the first half? That was Bob was Shusen of
Speaker 1: ESPN New York. Yes he's back already. Ryan Fitzpatrick replaced
Speaker 1: and injured Gina Smith played turnover free football and the
Speaker 1: new York just ended their four game losing streak with
Speaker 1: a twenty four to sixteen win over the Baltimore Ravens,
Speaker 1: who have now lost four in a row after a
Speaker 1: three and oh start. And uh, you know claim, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know Gino Smith. There is some guys are
Speaker 1: just star crossed. And he was the starter as we
Speaker 1: know last summer, gets his job broke over six dollar
Speaker 1: playing ticket. Ryan Fitzpatrick takes off to the point where
Speaker 1: he throws the most touchdowns in Jets history, then gets
Speaker 1: paid off it a one year deal, so fits Factor
Speaker 1: keeps the job, plays like the old Ryan Fitzpatrick. Gino
Speaker 1: finally gets in after what fifteen months out of the
Speaker 1: starting lineup, and he injures his knee. Uh within a
Speaker 1: quarter and a half back to the bench. We don't
Speaker 1: know when we'll see him again. And and the thing
Speaker 1: is with Gino and Sax, it never looks some guys
Speaker 1: look comfortable taking a sac and it's the guy goes
Speaker 1: down and you're not really worried about him. It looks
Speaker 1: like real scary danger. Whenever Gino goes down. He saw
Speaker 1: you saw the rookie Udon coming from the other end.
Speaker 1: Gino didn't see him. He turns around, sees him too late,
Speaker 1: and he gets twisted down like that. Nige. You just
Speaker 1: knew that that it wasn't gonna be good. And then
Speaker 1: he's trying to walk it off on the sideline and
Speaker 1: you could you can see in his face and he
Speaker 1: was so happy after that touchdown to a noon one
Speaker 1: was like, yes, finally over. Got punched in the face.
Speaker 1: Everybody blame me for getting punched in the face, and
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm the last I'm not gonna question
Speaker 1: anybody how injured they are. We don't know how what's
Speaker 1: going on. But after the game, well, Gino came back
Speaker 1: after the half and street clothes and stood on the
Speaker 1: sideline for the rest of the game, and then after
Speaker 1: the game said it wasn't thought to be a serious
Speaker 1: knee injury, and he didn't and he didn't think anything
Speaker 1: would come out of the m R. I I guess
Speaker 1: I'm wondering a little bit a guy that this this
Speaker 1: amount of time out of the line, but you would
Speaker 1: have to drag the guy off the field. I'm I
Speaker 1: was a little surprised that I saw Ryan Fitzpatrick so quickly,
Speaker 1: unless it was a more serious injury injury. I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm calling him out on it,
Speaker 1: but it was I'm just saying it was a little
Speaker 1: surprising to be told it was not a serious injury.
Speaker 1: You're not the one. He's out of his uniform by
Speaker 1: the third quarter. Didn't Joe Namath make a similar comment.
Speaker 1: I didn't see what Joe Willie said. He said exactly
Speaker 1: the same thing you did, basically that if if this
Speaker 1: guy can stand on the sideline, he should be in
Speaker 1: the game, which is yeah, it's it's it's weird. It's
Speaker 1: always weird when it's like an outright questioning of somebody.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying that Cutler, you can't question anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not totally comfortable doing. Let me just say I
Speaker 1: was surprised that we didn't come back with the report
Speaker 1: that he had a potentially serious injury. Anyway, but let's
Speaker 1: talk about the game a little bit. Fitzpatcher comes and
Speaker 1: he doesn't do much. He starts seven for seven and
Speaker 1: Lee with that touchdown Dry touchdown past two. Forte doesn't
Speaker 1: really do anything. They take the air out of the
Speaker 1: ball in the second half and the Jets won the game.
Speaker 1: Despite falling behind ten nothing. Because the Ravens and West,
Speaker 1: we talked about this could end up being the worst
Speaker 1: game of the week. It was not a fun game
Speaker 1: to watch the ray evens after pretty good first half
Speaker 1: with Joe Flacco who had the bed shoulder, they were
Speaker 1: terrible in the second half. It was one of the
Speaker 1: worst halves of football you'll see from any team offensively,
Speaker 1: um all season. Uh Flacco through two interceptions that led
Speaker 1: to two ten JET points and that was pretty much
Speaker 1: it at that point. Uh So, the Baltimore offense still lost.
Speaker 1: They're still beat up physically, and now they're losing week
Speaker 1: after week after week. So after starting three and oh,
Speaker 1: you're three and four in deep trouble. So these are
Speaker 1: two teams that most likely are going to be the
Speaker 1: outside looking in. From my perspective, the Ravens are materially
Speaker 1: different on offense than they were early in the season.
Speaker 1: They had one of the best offensive lines in the
Speaker 1: league early when Ronnie Stanley looked like a great rookie,
Speaker 1: left tackle Marcia Yonda the best guard in the league.
Speaker 1: Over the past half decade, those guys have been out
Speaker 1: and then Steve Smith's injury. Who knew that in a
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old, thirty eight year old wide receiver
Speaker 1: was that important coming off and achilles injury. They haven't
Speaker 1: been able to move the ball consistently since he went
Speaker 1: down a couple of weeks ago with an ankle injury.
Speaker 1: I telled me that that was a law on the
Speaker 1: roster design that you were asking that much from thirty
Speaker 1: thirty eight year old Steve Smith coming off of that injury.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not gonna question that either. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna question Well. We said that all offseason that
Speaker 1: this teams is many question marks as any team in
Speaker 1: the league just because they're so old. And for the
Speaker 1: second time, uh this season, the Ravens get a turnover
Speaker 1: and then give the other team the ball back and
Speaker 1: actually give them yardage on the same plane that Matt
Speaker 1: Forte had a rush inside the ten yard line with
Speaker 1: the Jets are trying to go in with for a score.
Speaker 1: He fumbles it, ripped away by who is it? Uh,
Speaker 1: Timmy forced it and recovered it, and then for some
Speaker 1: reason acts like he's Walter Payton. He tries to turn
Speaker 1: the corner, tries to put a shaker move on Brandon Marshall,
Speaker 1: and he gets scripped. Yeah, so that was kind of
Speaker 1: this game in a nutshell and then the final point. Um, Actually,
Speaker 1: you know what we could talk about. Ryan Fitzpatrick had
Speaker 1: some strange things to say to the press afterward about
Speaker 1: the team not believing in him. I was not a
Speaker 1: big fan of it, Ryan, Just play the game. Who
Speaker 1: knows if you get another start. But he seems to
Speaker 1: think that the Jets kind of quit on him. But
Speaker 1: I do. Who I really want to hear from is
Speaker 1: not Ryan Fitzpatrick. I gotta hear from my old man,
Speaker 1: Keith Hansis, who week after weeks since the season started,
Speaker 1: has only had losses to talk about on the show,
Speaker 1: and finally some good news. His name is Keith, his dad.
Speaker 1: He'll doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. What
Speaker 1: is he going to say bull game today? What is
Speaker 1: he going to same today? Jets Week seven? Finally they
Speaker 1: get a victory. Uh. Thought the defense played aggressively while
Speaker 1: the offensive played it very passively. UH. And they were
Speaker 1: lucky to get out of that game and win. Because
Speaker 1: he can't play that way. You gotta play outside. You
Speaker 1: gotta play aggressively on both sides of the ball. There
Speaker 1: was one play that. I thought it was one of
Speaker 1: the most amazing plays I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 1: Three fumbles on one play and it's just lucky enough
Speaker 1: at that back can score touchdown. So great, finally one
Speaker 1: fantastic Keith happy. Thank god you needed that we need today.
Speaker 1: The Jets are now two and five. Let's move on,
Speaker 1: talk about another game in the a f C empty
Speaker 1: backfield for Andrew, don't throw a pick, ross to throw,
Speaker 1: don't touch that. Jack Doyle with a catch and a
Speaker 1: Colt for a minute to go lead three. Leave the
Speaker 1: whole time. You know, the radio guys having a crisis
Speaker 1: of confidence right before the snap says, please don't throw
Speaker 1: a pick. Bob LaVey, the guy that dropped the f
Speaker 1: bomb of ESPN ten seventy w F and I uh,
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, guys, is not the problem in Indianapolis. I repeat,
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck is not the problem in Indianapolis. The quarterback
Speaker 1: through for three fifty three yards and three touchdowns, including
Speaker 1: the go ahead scored of Jack Doyle that you just heard,
Speaker 1: and the Colts bounce back from the killer law US
Speaker 1: to the Texans with a thirty four victory over the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. UH and This game was sealed Gentleman by
Speaker 1: a gray Beer. Robert Mathis had a strip sack led
Speaker 1: to a defensive touchdown that ended any chance of a
Speaker 1: Titans come back in the final minutes. And Mr Clayboyne,
Speaker 1: this is another um shaky game by Marcus Mariota in
Speaker 1: the Titans offense. Yeah, and you come into this game,
Speaker 1: you you find out and I didn't. I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: They hadn't they hadn't beaten the Colts in five years.
Speaker 1: And and so it's you're watching and you're hoping for
Speaker 1: for something to happen. You know that the Cults are
Speaker 1: missing playmakers on the outside, and so what you need
Speaker 1: to do is keep t Y Hilton from getting on
Speaker 1: top of you. And then we're looking up and and
Speaker 1: there's t Y Hilton catching a forty three hard touchdown
Speaker 1: where he's toasting the safety. Uh, they had they had
Speaker 1: that third and goal. We just heard the don't throw
Speaker 1: a pick call. Everybody in their mom it feels like
Speaker 1: it's like, well, Jack Doyle is gonna get this ball.
Speaker 1: Here they are a third and goal. Jack Doyle runs
Speaker 1: a double move and gets wide open, and I don't
Speaker 1: Chris Wise Wise, Marcus turning the ball over so much.
Speaker 1: We talked about this last week that even with those
Speaker 1: passer ratings he's putting up in the touchdowns, he's not
Speaker 1: throwing well. The numbers are a little misleading. He's missing throws.
Speaker 1: He doesn't look as comfortable in that offense as you
Speaker 1: would like him to. And I kind of glanced at
Speaker 1: this game quite a bit today. Every time I looked up,
Speaker 1: he was missing a throw or making a mistake. And
Speaker 1: I know the numbers don't look bad when you look
Speaker 1: at I think he finished with a ninety passer rating.
Speaker 1: He had a late game touchdown drive to Delaney Walker
Speaker 1: when the Colts kept committing brain dead penalties and the
Speaker 1: Titans took advantage of it. But Mariota is not playing
Speaker 1: well despite his recent little string of success. And if
Speaker 1: you if you tell me that that Delaney Walker is
Speaker 1: gonna go off, DeMarco Murray's gonna have a hundred yards
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, the Titans are gonna be in
Speaker 1: this game, but they just and they were, but they
Speaker 1: couldn't have close and you can't closing your building against uh,
Speaker 1: let's face it, a faibly flawed Colts team that's probably
Speaker 1: not going anywhere this year. That really tells you again
Speaker 1: where you are. But neither team again in the a
Speaker 1: f C South, which is West. But um two teams
Speaker 1: that are three and four? Uh, what team do you
Speaker 1: like better of these two wests? If you want to
Speaker 1: spin forward by the end of the season looking to
Speaker 1: the crystal ball, which team will have a better record
Speaker 1: come the end of the season or the same team? Essentially,
Speaker 1: I've been saying for a few weeks, I don't I
Speaker 1: know the rest of the rosters bad and I though
Speaker 1: you can't have confidence in the coaching staff. But I'm
Speaker 1: picking the Colts to win this division because of Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck and for all of the people who have no
Speaker 1: eye for football and are dying to pounce on Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1: Take away two of his top three receivers in his
Speaker 1: number one tight end, and he has the second most
Speaker 1: completions of fifteen or more yards of any quarterback all season.
Speaker 1: That's the quarterback Andrew Luck is. Andrew Luck is not
Speaker 1: a problem. I repeat, Andrew Luck is not the problem.
Speaker 1: Let's move on third and goal, two yard line, fourteen
Speaker 1: seconds to go. I think you gotta throw it here.
Speaker 1: Here's car He's gonna throw right frows and his talk
Speaker 1: touchdown Michael Crabtree on a quick slant, He'd beat Prince
Speaker 1: am Okamara on the end and again tom a Moncamarrow
Speaker 1: was shading him will he moved late. Derek Carr's touched
Speaker 1: up past the Michael Kravty just before the half gave
Speaker 1: the Raiders breathing room on their way to a thirty
Speaker 1: three sixteen win over the Jaguars. Um who you know again?
Speaker 1: These guys look like total pretenders. West. If you want
Speaker 1: to get healthy, play Cleveland. But if the Browns aren't available,
Speaker 1: see see If the Jaguars are good, see if they're
Speaker 1: available to play. And once again, the quarterbacks the problem.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the game. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: tweets about Blake Bortles wind up still being an issue,
Speaker 1: and when at halftime he's five of fourteen for fifty
Speaker 1: seven yards in an interception, it's exactly what happened last week.
Speaker 1: He couldn't move the ball and this time he couldn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a great fourth quarter, or the defense
Speaker 1: wasn't his generous in the fourth quarter like they were
Speaker 1: last week. But I think the Jaguars are sitting duck.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna lose just I'm gonna pick them
Speaker 1: to lose every game until Bortles fixes his delivery. Even
Speaker 1: the touchdown pass that he did have to Julius Thomas.
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas had no business catching that ball. There were
Speaker 1: three raiders right around him. And the juxtaposition when you
Speaker 1: had the comparisons, people were talking quarterback comparisons in the
Speaker 1: draft class and so called Bortles was way ahead of
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. Derek Carr looked like six times the quarterback
Speaker 1: that Blake Bortles did. That. We heard the touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to Michael Crabtree the play before that, he's rolling to
Speaker 1: his right, throws an absolute dime running to to Crabtree
Speaker 1: at the end of the half, and then he finishes
Speaker 1: it off. Crabtreet gets an egregious tawn and call for
Speaker 1: throwing the ball in the air, which was whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: I saw a towny call today. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: who who got called this time, but it was for
Speaker 1: spinning a football after reception where he was at of
Speaker 1: bounds because he spun the ball and it was on
Speaker 1: the he was on theos the opposing teams sideline. I
Speaker 1: guess that was seen as a taunt. I just can't
Speaker 1: I can't deal with. We gotta make sure the kids
Speaker 1: at home are watching and they know that this is bad,
Speaker 1: and they don't grow up, you know, celebrating things that
Speaker 1: make them happy. The Jaguars are the biggest bust in
Speaker 1: the league to me because in terms of when you
Speaker 1: get excited about teams and the way the NFL machine
Speaker 1: cry up throughout the summer, and you look at what
Speaker 1: this team has become. They're just as bad as they
Speaker 1: ever were, only now they have more talent than they
Speaker 1: ever had, or I guess we we think they do.
Speaker 1: But when if we're gonna start by talking about the
Speaker 1: quarterback is the problem? Do you really have as much
Speaker 1: talent as you thought? Because maybe Blake Bortles West is
Speaker 1: a physically talented passer and he's had numbers that he's
Speaker 1: put up in his past. But if this guy is
Speaker 1: like you're saying, has these mechanical flaws and he can't
Speaker 1: move the ball, the team on offense, they are right
Speaker 1: back where they started in a lot of ways where
Speaker 1: they don't have a quarterback right now. It's quite the conundrum.
Speaker 1: You've got a quarterback who has all the physical gifts
Speaker 1: that you want. And in two of the three years
Speaker 1: he's played, he's been undone by faulty mechanics that you're
Speaker 1: coaching staff can't fix in season. So that's a problem. Offseason,
Speaker 1: you're gonna fix him, and then as soon as September
Speaker 1: starts again, he's broken again. That puts your franchise in
Speaker 1: a really weird place, and you might have to consider
Speaker 1: a quarterback next year, end of coaching staff and maybe
Speaker 1: a GM. I mean, you can't have your quarterback holding
Speaker 1: the whole team hostage every week. You either fix it
Speaker 1: with a new coaching staff or you go get a
Speaker 1: new quarterback. But you can't. You can't live this way.
Speaker 1: If I had, if I had to guess, I would
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna say Bortles has the talent and
Speaker 1: he's flash the ability that we're not gonna or a
Speaker 1: different direction, we were gonna go with another coaching And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame them for thinking that, because they've seen
Speaker 1: those traits on film that he can do it if
Speaker 1: his deliveries right. And it's broken right now. I forget
Speaker 1: who to to shout out. I saw the tweet that
Speaker 1: Bordles in thirty six career games, has fifty two turnovers.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's a lot. And uh, you know quietly
Speaker 1: the Raiders five and two and undefeated halfway through their
Speaker 1: road schedule four and oh, that's a nice little trade
Speaker 1: for a team that uh uh if they don't uh,
Speaker 1: if they do get back to the playoffs for the
Speaker 1: first time and then they don't beat out the Broncos
Speaker 1: and the around the road in the playoff game, keeping
Speaker 1: eye on the Raiders who don't have any fear of
Speaker 1: going on the road. Uh, let's check out another team
Speaker 1: in the a f C. West Breeze takes it, has
Speaker 1: a pocket, now throws it laid over the middle of
Speaker 1: the past, is going to be deflected and intercepted. Sorr
Speaker 1: int out the forty thirty thirty five Sorenson fifteen touts
Speaker 1: back cliff turn five touchdown Chansas City on a forty
Speaker 1: five yard pick six by Daniel Sorenson, who for the
Speaker 1: first time in his career can swim in the neck
Speaker 1: for the end zone. Fitch Mitch Houltless of Casey f
Speaker 1: X with calls him in the next or in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Yes, Daniel Sarson do it? Don't you want
Speaker 1: to drink. You know it's contaminated. Now. Sorenson had a
Speaker 1: pick six of Drew Brees as you just stared in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. That just enough, uh in their building, a
Speaker 1: win over the New Orleans Saints, who continue to struggle
Speaker 1: when not on their playground in the Superdome. Mr Clay
Speaker 1: bound the Chiefs. There we go again there, four and
Speaker 1: two right in the mix here in the m C
Speaker 1: Playoffs playoff race. Do they do? Do they deserve more
Speaker 1: respect than they're getting? I think they do, And mainly
Speaker 1: that's a product of number eleven playing quarterback for them,
Speaker 1: and so people kind of sleep on Alex Smith. But
Speaker 1: he did what he needed to do. But in this game,
Speaker 1: the Saints, they outgained them four hundred sixty three yards
Speaker 1: to three. Breeze had had three touchdowns. We heard the
Speaker 1: call and the swords and uh interception return for the touchdown.
Speaker 1: Sweeten nectar, baby yeah, gets gets that, sweet nectar. Nobody
Speaker 1: had a faster sixty yards shuttle than Daniel Sorenson in
Speaker 1: the past ten years as a as a wide receiver
Speaker 1: or safety or anybody. Some corners beat him, But that
Speaker 1: guy can run. I've never even heard of him before
Speaker 1: this speedy guy to b Yu anyway, checking the con
Speaker 1: stats there while Sydney behind the glass raising the roof,
Speaker 1: bringing back raising the roof in honor of her friend Mr.
Speaker 1: Sorenson's been She's very happy. If city is happy, I'm happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that made that happy for everybody. But it's really um.
Speaker 1: This was an example of the Saints just not making
Speaker 1: the big play. We saw Spencer Wear score the long
Speaker 1: touchdown on the screen pass. Saints had opportunities Ingram had
Speaker 1: the fumble in the red zone the right after, right
Speaker 1: after the drive where he had the touchdown, and they
Speaker 1: just they gave they gave things away. I want I
Speaker 1: need some help with this. Uh. Jamal Charles was active
Speaker 1: in this game, and there were some reports that maybe
Speaker 1: he was having some knee issues, but he was active
Speaker 1: in this game. He got the ball, he got one carry,
Speaker 1: he did not get a yard in the his solitary rush. Uh.
Speaker 1: Spencer Ware, who obviously here is there running back in
Speaker 1: the future years old, seventy seven yards and seventeen carries.
Speaker 1: Also did some damage as a receiver too, for fifty
Speaker 1: four in a touch Uh. West, Why isn't Jamal Charles
Speaker 1: more involved in this team? Why is it. What is
Speaker 1: something going on that you know about? You already highlighted it.
Speaker 1: His knees not right. I mean we heard that during
Speaker 1: the week that his knee he looked like he suffered
Speaker 1: a setback. So I even give him the ball? Why
Speaker 1: is he involved in that? That's a good question. I
Speaker 1: think that would be my question. Why not you start
Speaker 1: shark Kendrick West as your backup running back? If Jamal
Speaker 1: Charles knee isn't right, you sit him down and get
Speaker 1: it right. That would be my way to approach you.
Speaker 1: If if he was just a scratch, I would understand
Speaker 1: it a little bit more. But the fact that they
Speaker 1: had him act that they gave him the ball once,
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't feeling right. I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: is two weeks after he himself said he's as fast
Speaker 1: as he ever was. Maybe the setback. But something's going
Speaker 1: on here. You can still you can still be fast,
Speaker 1: but it's probably a little bit different when you're when
Speaker 1: you're coming back and you wanted to make cuts in
Speaker 1: a game where guys are diving around at your legs.
Speaker 1: I think we probably what happened was they had to
Speaker 1: carry They asked him how he felt and he was
Speaker 1: honest at that point. And and you know how many
Speaker 1: t surgeries for uh fourth one is coming up as
Speaker 1: soon as number four on the way? Yeah, we get
Speaker 1: Uh some people talk about that like how they have
Speaker 1: babies on the way. Uh, well you do, congratulations on that,
Speaker 1: but you also, oh your fourth huh good? Is your
Speaker 1: history of neat trouble? Is that why you refused our
Speaker 1: invitations to get you out on the softball field? No,
Speaker 1: I refuse. We've had this conversation. It was extensively, exclusively
Speaker 1: based on the fact that I'm an embarrassing softball player.
Speaker 1: But then, uh, after the discussion, through the length the
Speaker 1: analysis of the team, I realized midway through the season
Speaker 1: that I could have provided something And that bothers me
Speaker 1: to this day because you guys had an emotional, fantastic
Speaker 1: season and I was only a part of as a fan.
Speaker 1: You would have gotten a ring out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge regret. On That's something that sticks
Speaker 1: with somebody. I understand that. All right, let's move on
Speaker 1: and talk about I'm not too excited about this game,
Speaker 1: but we talked about every game on the Flagship Show.
Speaker 1: Every game. Uh, let's move on. To a game that
Speaker 1: was played at the big ball bottom. The snap play action,
Speaker 1: fake dropping, Weinston looking with those of past toward the end,
Speaker 1: caught ball touchdown, Tampa Day went some throws at the
Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd Helifox takes the lead, Tampa Bay comes back
Speaker 1: from the dead and the first touchdown grabb of the season,
Speaker 1: the second career touchdown by Russell Shephard, you're dead. They're
Speaker 1: down fourteen nothing to the forty Niners. That that's as
Speaker 1: close to catatonic as it git Jamis Winston, that call,
Speaker 1: by the way, was Geene Decker half a w f us.
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston through three touchdown passes and j Queis ro
Speaker 1: ran for a hundred and fifty four yards to lead
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to a thirty four seventeen win
Speaker 1: over the San Francisco forty Niners. Um, this was a game,
Speaker 1: uh that the forty Niners jumped out to an early
Speaker 1: fourteen nothing lead, but Tampa Bay came back and West,
Speaker 1: I know we don't love uh either of these teams.
Speaker 1: Kind of give the Bucks credit. Gotta give him some credit.
Speaker 1: I thought they were stinking dog team that deserved no
Speaker 1: respect and that you gotta give him credit for two
Speaker 1: straight wins. Carolina blew the previous week's game, so you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really ready to give him, but they come
Speaker 1: back from fourteen nothing down in this game. And Quiz
Speaker 1: Rodgers is a season saver, guy who had never had
Speaker 1: eighteen carry more than eighteen carries in a game, has
Speaker 1: fifty six combined in the last two games. He's got
Speaker 1: and hits a hundred yards and both of those games
Speaker 1: looks like a legit NFL starter, and that guy to
Speaker 1: win in the NFL, you need guys to step in
Speaker 1: like that, and that's the Quiz Rodgers is not a
Speaker 1: very large person either, getting huge volume carries in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field, and he's coming between the tackles.
Speaker 1: These aren't These aren't pitches to the outside, trying to
Speaker 1: beat it out of the corner. And Jamis had the
Speaker 1: typical early Jamis interception, but he didn't follow that up
Speaker 1: with another one, and then bad quarterback play. He was good,
Speaker 1: Mike Evans was good, but then you you also got
Speaker 1: a look at the opponent as well. In San Francisco
Speaker 1: kind of wilted towards the end. They made some pushes,
Speaker 1: but then they they were. We talked about how important
Speaker 1: Navarro Bowman is to this defense, as important as any
Speaker 1: linebacker in the NFL to his own defense, considering what
Speaker 1: they have behind him, and they've been an absolute train
Speaker 1: wreck against the run since losing Bowman now sitting to
Speaker 1: my right, is a monster, both in terms of the
Speaker 1: way that he attacks NFL analysis downstairs in the newsroom
Speaker 1: and also physical build. The very muscular, handsome young man.
Speaker 1: Nick Schuck of the NFL dot Com news team out
Speaker 1: joins us. He pinch hit with some really good write ups. Uh,
Speaker 1: starting with Tampa Bay, San Francisco. What didn't we see?
Speaker 1: Mr Show? How are you bout it? I'm fantastic Becau
Speaker 1: as you call him, the bound something congratulation, congradulations Cleveland guy,
Speaker 1: and got the India? How about the Indians? By the way,
Speaker 1: this is very Cleveland in a way. Even though we
Speaker 1: can this is we could start saying that stuff. What's
Speaker 1: less because they're starting to win all the time, but uh,
Speaker 1: first time they're in the World Series since ninety seven.
Speaker 1: They haven't won since what forty? And nobody's gonna root
Speaker 1: for him. Everyone's gonna be rooting for the damn Cubs
Speaker 1: because the Cubs haven't one since nineteen o eight. I
Speaker 1: don't believe in damning the Cubs. What do you think about.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing we're used to being against the world.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a saying of Cleveland against the world,
Speaker 1: Ohio against the world. It jumped on board with the
Speaker 1: Ohio state a few years ago, and uh, it was
Speaker 1: with the Calves the whole time too, So we're used
Speaker 1: to I do that is you would think, and maybe
Speaker 1: Hot take on Budsman Patrick Cleveland could shoot this down,
Speaker 1: but nobody believes in us angle that the Indians could
Speaker 1: ride hard going into this World Series. I kind of
Speaker 1: like that because it's not a it's not something they
Speaker 1: have to talk themselves into. It's a real thing. This
Speaker 1: is the World Series is gonna get its highest ratings
Speaker 1: and years. Uh, and everyone is gonna be watching because
Speaker 1: they want to see the Cubs break the carts to
Speaker 1: the Billy Goat. That's that's certainly a thing that they
Speaker 1: could say, but you know, oh take it down as me.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm required to say that that's not gonna
Speaker 1: have any impact on whether the balls are fair or foul.
Speaker 1: And that is why he is the hot take on Budsman.
Speaker 1: All right, Nick, back to this game. Uh, Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: Catty look uh good early. Uh the the the offense
Speaker 1: was efficient, got down the field in just a handful
Speaker 1: of plays, and it almost looked too easy. I was like,
Speaker 1: this isn't the forty Niners. I used to watching um
Speaker 1: and it was encouraging. And then it all fell apart.
Speaker 1: They went up fourteen to nothing and then couldn't do
Speaker 1: anything for much of the game while the defense struggled
Speaker 1: to stop the run and Tampa Bay slowly but surely
Speaker 1: took over and they never could really counter. Thirty four
Speaker 1: to three, outscored. Uh the Bucks outscored the Niners in
Speaker 1: the last three quarters. Uh do you want to can
Speaker 1: you stick a stick around and talk a little Browns
Speaker 1: from all right, let's move on, said Dalton, back to throw.
Speaker 1: We're down to five seconds left and a half. He's
Speaker 1: gonna throw a high, deep hail Mary pass into the
Speaker 1: MTG and it is boy Jan makes the catch. I'm
Speaker 1: the ricochet hail Mary, a forty nine yard touchdown pass
Speaker 1: as a prairie is answered in the end zone by
Speaker 1: Adriol Cheremiah dream the voice of my teenage years that's
Speaker 1: Dave Lapham cheering in the background. I recognize that voice. Anyway, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're gonna be a homer, be
Speaker 1: a homer, go all the way Lapham did it there.
Speaker 1: Dan Horde also on the call there w c k Y,
Speaker 1: ESPN thirty. Yes, the Cleveland Calves are champs and the
Speaker 1: Indians are the World Series. But the Browns, well, they're
Speaker 1: still the Browns. Andy Dalton through for three touchdowns, including
Speaker 1: that first half ending Hail Mary answer to what Adrian
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Green in a thirty one seventeen win for Cincinnati
Speaker 1: over Cleveland. Mr Nick shook a lot of concern about
Speaker 1: that since the offense this season. But then they roll
Speaker 1: up five and fifty nine yards on Cleveland. They all good. Now, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing that that whole heavy side, that's years
Speaker 1: of of you know, um, that whole great thing, you know,
Speaker 1: with the Calves and the Indians going, well, this Hail
Speaker 1: Mary epitomized what is Cleveland and and what is the Browns?
Speaker 1: And what have have been the Browns for the last
Speaker 1: you know, most of the last two decades. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a reason for encouragement on Cincinnati's side. But then again,
Speaker 1: you are playing the Browns, whose defensive starters. I believe
Speaker 1: they started a defensive back that even I had trouble
Speaker 1: identifying it first, and I'd pretty much know the team
Speaker 1: inside and out. So uh yeah, you're playing against guys
Speaker 1: who were borderline scaps and Cody Kessler he got hurt again.
Speaker 1: So you're seeing you're way more of Kevin Hogan than
Speaker 1: you ever wanted to in your life. Hollywood, Kevin Hogan,
Speaker 1: who broke a hundred yards on the ground today on
Speaker 1: seven crazy little crazy legs. Hogan. No, you know, remember
Speaker 1: that one time when uh Tony Sperrano shocked defenses with
Speaker 1: the wildcat that was Kevin Hogan in the shotgun in
Speaker 1: the read option. No one saw that one coming very
Speaker 1: nice and and west. You know. I am always have
Speaker 1: my my eye, uh looking at the um next Gens
Speaker 1: stats with IM. But I do like seeing because everyone
Speaker 1: runs twenty one miles, everyone runs twenty cybernetic eye. I
Speaker 1: do like Jeremy Hill ripping off a seventy four yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: so on top out of twenty point one seven miles Brown,
Speaker 1: it's pretty fast for Jeremy Hill. I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Hill is not fast for an NFL starting running back.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like it's like, oh, he goes
Speaker 1: twenty point one and the other guy goes twenty one
Speaker 1: point one and one guy slow as hell and the
Speaker 1: other guy's a speeds there I can't keep up with all. Well,
Speaker 1: it's because your deal with like David Johnson runs just
Speaker 1: over twenty two at his fastest, and he's one of
Speaker 1: the fastest running backs in the league. So there's only
Speaker 1: what point two mile per hour difference between a slow
Speaker 1: running back and a fast running back by NFL terms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, so Cincinnati gets a win uh that
Speaker 1: they needed, Uh, you know, get healthy win for the
Speaker 1: Bengals and on the brown side, and Nick will will
Speaker 1: leave you with this your thoughts on this um now
Speaker 1: oh and seven, and there was there was this run
Speaker 1: for most of the season where they've been competitive and
Speaker 1: they're hanging around the games. Are you worried that not
Speaker 1: being able to steal any of those games as the
Speaker 1: injuries rack up, that you could be entering into that
Speaker 1: dangerous oh and twelve, oh and thirty, are you worried
Speaker 1: a little bit about the Big Zil show crank up?
Speaker 1: The Loggins and we're going to the danger zone without
Speaker 1: a doubt, Without a doubt, this team is very, very
Speaker 1: capable of going oh in sixteen. And everybody says, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's really hard to go oh in sixteen. But
Speaker 1: with the turnover on the roster from week to week,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost on residented. The fact that we've looked
Speaker 1: at now six quarterbacks for the Browns and all the
Speaker 1: other injuries are dealing with everywhere else. I keep pinning
Speaker 1: as they might steal one against San Diego in week fourteen,
Speaker 1: but san Diego starting to turn it around. San Diego
Speaker 1: is a much better team exactly, so they could very
Speaker 1: well go oh in sixteen. See this is it's good
Speaker 1: to have shooken here because the light went out behind
Speaker 1: Cessler's eyes talking about the brown So it's kind of
Speaker 1: like it's hard to get to these kind of takes
Speaker 1: from Mark. But Nick younger, less world weary, is able
Speaker 1: to just share the pathos of being a Browns fans
Speaker 1: in a different way, and we thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, all right, Nick Shook exits the building.
Speaker 1: If I ever become tremendously successful, and Nick gets hit
Speaker 1: with hit with a felony or something and is unable
Speaker 1: to build on his sports career. I'm going to hire
Speaker 1: him as my bodyguard manager everything else that doesn't happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: I would tell very well. I mean it hopefully doesn't
Speaker 1: get hit with a felony at some reasons. No felonies
Speaker 1: for sure, because it is a talented writer and obviously
Speaker 1: knows this stuff and is a Cleveland die hard. Cleveland
Speaker 1: die hards he puts on for the city and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's good to see the up so we hate
Speaker 1: seeing the downs. But I was happy to see Nick
Speaker 1: able to tweet through a Cavalier's championship and who knows
Speaker 1: which takes us to Sunday Night. Sunday Night better and
Speaker 1: moved by hands juice, one more carry, Get me Gone?
Speaker 1: Where do we start? Chris Wessling on the Sunday night
Speaker 1: football game between the Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals. One
Speaker 1: of the strangest endings to a game that I have
Speaker 1: ever seen personally, And uh and and west first of
Speaker 1: all six six tie, We'll start right there? Are you
Speaker 1: freaking kidding me? Six six tie? Game could have ended
Speaker 1: in no other way between the Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 1: a game in which we went into overtime at three three.
Speaker 1: Cardinals held the lead three nothing deep into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: Seattle ties it up late, we go into over to time.
Speaker 1: Of course, after only six points in sixty minutes. The
Speaker 1: teams then trade field goals in overtime, and then what happens.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals take over. And uh, I still can't
Speaker 1: believe this. We're even talking about this right now. I'm
Speaker 1: still stunned. The Arizona Cardinals take over. Uh, their second
Speaker 1: position of overtime, they go down the field. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: a play in which it appears David Johnson kicks a
Speaker 1: pylon and the ball is very close to going over.
Speaker 1: But instead of um, you know, the inside two minutes,
Speaker 1: while we weren't inside two minutes yet, so there was
Speaker 1: no review coming from upstairs, and instead of Cardinals taking
Speaker 1: a look at it, they ran a quick play to
Speaker 1: Johnson again it got stuffed on third down. All right,
Speaker 1: they're good. Everything's good with the Cardinals. They're gonna win
Speaker 1: this game. First score wins after those first two positions possessions.
Speaker 1: All they need is Chandler catan Zaro captain zero. I
Speaker 1: won't forget that name. Zaro Chandler, Catan zero, captain zero,
Speaker 1: Captain zero, to make a damn kick. We're talking twenty
Speaker 1: four yards. Twenty four yards? You see that, bright It's
Speaker 1: no good. How in the world it has been a nightmare.
Speaker 1: It has been a nightmare for this thing. Heyinks it?
Speaker 1: Cantan zero, Captain zero, Captain zero, youinks it? West and
Speaker 1: why explained to the audience why this game had been
Speaker 1: a nightmare to this point point even before that kick,
Speaker 1: wasn't a nightmare in anyway. No, no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about for the Cardinals. It should have never even
Speaker 1: been in this position to start with. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so much has happened. I don't even know why. Well,
Speaker 1: they they outgained Seattle. Oh they had eight team first
Speaker 1: down to four for Seattle with a minute left. They
Speaker 1: had three two yards to a hundred and five for
Speaker 1: Seattle with a minute left. David Johnson had fifty three
Speaker 1: more yards in the entire Seattle offense, despite having thirty
Speaker 1: five yards worth their holding penalties. The Cardinals had thoroughly
Speaker 1: outplayed them. So then Seattle takes over the whole buildings
Speaker 1: in Shock West and I were just sitting here catatonic,
Speaker 1: and Seattle goes down the field. Doug Baldwin springs free
Speaker 1: on a mistackle from Honey Badger. Looks like he's going
Speaker 1: into end the game. He's to get stopped just short.
Speaker 1: And Pete Carroll he can't believe his luck. He's like,
Speaker 1: where Seattle, Seahawks, We're about to steal another freaking game
Speaker 1: like this. Sends one of the best kickers in the
Speaker 1: league out there, Stephen how Is get out on the
Speaker 1: field for a twenty eight yard attempt with eleven seconds
Speaker 1: to play in the overtime period, a chip shot much
Speaker 1: shorter than the current p A T game over right,
Speaker 1: John Ryan, thehol Hey passion ship. That's impossible. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is impossible. Oh my goodness, gracious, that could not
Speaker 1: have happened. You know what, Maybe this is justice for
Speaker 1: all concerned, O Man, great call, and Al. When Al
Speaker 1: says it's impossible, that guy's seen it all, he yaints
Speaker 1: it as well. And that's it. The game is Two
Speaker 1: plays later the Cardinals, the clock runs out six six
Speaker 1: Thaie West and your thoughts on the game, because I
Speaker 1: think your thoughts and I certainly agree with you. A
Speaker 1: lot of people on Twitter saying, oh, perfect way for
Speaker 1: this horrible games and what are your thoughts about this game?
Speaker 1: What a beautiful, beautiful mess of a ball game. The
Speaker 1: best game of the year in my opinion. Two teams
Speaker 1: with playoff intensity. One the mentally toughest football team I've
Speaker 1: seen in the twenty one century, the Seattle Seahawks of
Speaker 1: the past half decade, and the Cardinals are a team
Speaker 1: that is now a defense heavy team that tries to
Speaker 1: stand blow to blow with a team like the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They needed this game. They're now three three and one.
Speaker 1: Three other next four games are at Carolina, at Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and at Atlanta. They were desperate, they knew they needed
Speaker 1: this game. It was a dog fight, and you saw
Speaker 1: the results on the field with two defenses just going
Speaker 1: toe to toe and smash mouth game. I loved every
Speaker 1: minute of it. So much on the line in this game,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and a lot of this. I think
Speaker 1: people who have various fantasy players in the lineups of
Speaker 1: these two teams. That's what people are barking about, because
Speaker 1: that's part of what the NFL fandom is about now.
Speaker 1: But if you're somebody that looks beyond that, This was
Speaker 1: a really intense effort as West side on both sides.
Speaker 1: But you know it's the kickers will How will be
Speaker 1: how this game is remembered and contend Zara when they
Speaker 1: contend Zara, cat and Zara and I'm I'm cooked. I
Speaker 1: went to school with a kid two years older than
Speaker 1: me whose last name was Captain zero. That's the only
Speaker 1: reason he his thousand yards stare after his miss on
Speaker 1: the sideline. And you felt for the kid because that's
Speaker 1: not It doesn't get much worse. And you know who
Speaker 1: didn't let him off the hook after the game was
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians. Uh this from Clarence Hill Uh is fourth
Speaker 1: Star Telegraph? Is that hill Fort Star Telegram? I think
Speaker 1: so Arians has no sympathy for his kicker. Uh the
Speaker 1: quote this is professional. This ain't high school. Baby. You
Speaker 1: got you get paid to make it. And listen. Absolutely
Speaker 1: that game was over. And I tweeted before how missed
Speaker 1: his kick that this was gonna be to me one
Speaker 1: of the worst losses I had ever seen a team
Speaker 1: suffer because they essentially had the ball. Uh. If I
Speaker 1: check out this, uh the play by play here, they
Speaker 1: had the ball first down basically at Seattle's goal line
Speaker 1: and they brought out the kicker. I'm gonna start calling
Speaker 1: the kicker because I can't say his name Captain zero
Speaker 1: yes like a stroke or he's not gonna invite you
Speaker 1: over for sphetts. I feel like, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: regarding Henry after watching this game. But uh, to miss,
Speaker 1: to miss that kick. They brought him out on third
Speaker 1: down just to make sure the snap was fine. They
Speaker 1: probably could have rushed at one more time with David
Speaker 1: Johnson and just forget about all this and maybe teams
Speaker 1: will learn because kickers get the yips. It's a tough position.
Speaker 1: Cardinals fans have to be so confused by this game
Speaker 1: because the coach who goes by the mantra no risk it,
Speaker 1: no biscuit no longer coaches like he has that kind
Speaker 1: of team. He should have run Johnson one more time,
Speaker 1: because that's the no risk it, no biscuit approach, but
Speaker 1: he he doesn't have the firepower anymore to throw caution
Speaker 1: to the wind. And I think that we picked up
Speaker 1: on this. Mark has been saying this for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks that Arians doesn't have the same mojo this year,
Speaker 1: and that's probably part of it. He just doesn't have
Speaker 1: the same innate confidence and the makeup, well not the makeup,
Speaker 1: but like the firepower are of his offense this year
Speaker 1: and how miss was uh equally bad, maybe not quite
Speaker 1: as bad, but it is very close to as bad.
Speaker 1: But you know, in a way, it was perfect for
Speaker 1: this game to end this way because the Seahawks uh
Speaker 1: probably didn't deserve to win the game at that point,
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals, you know, they played, they played a
Speaker 1: far superior game in a lot of ways, and they
Speaker 1: just could not finish it. So that's where we are.
Speaker 1: Three three and one for the Cardinals, four one and
Speaker 1: one for the Seahawks. And that again, you say it's
Speaker 1: a terrible game, Twitter Verse, come back to us because
Speaker 1: that was not a beautiful symphony of football, but it
Speaker 1: was fun and entertaining and wild and memorable. I say,
Speaker 1: if you don't think that was a beautiful game, you
Speaker 1: need a more sophisticated football palette. Bang deal with that,
Speaker 1: all right. I just want to thank everyone who helped
Speaker 1: out today. This was a kitchen Sinc. Podcast with some
Speaker 1: people down, missing somebody, So a special thank you uh
Speaker 1: to Alex Gale, horror uh to Marcus Grant, to Nick
Speaker 1: shook A, special extra thank you to Patrick Claiban who,
Speaker 1: on short notice stepped in for the whole show. He
Speaker 1: can be with us obviously for the Sunday night game,
Speaker 1: which we would have mentioned earlier on, but we were
Speaker 1: just so frazzled by what happened on Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 1: In a special extra thank you too, Las Sid, who
Speaker 1: put it all together. That's why she's on Mount Rushmore
Speaker 1: and is one of the greatest in the business. Let's
Speaker 1: go home, man, I am I'm shredded mostly Cato stan
Speaker 1: Hanzas signing off for The mail Man and Las Sid
Speaker 1: Come back, grag, come back Mark. We'll see you guys
Speaker 1: on Tuesday tw