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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rostal. What's up, boys, Hey? Dan? Um Sunday flagship
Speaker 1: program where we're gonna break down all of the week
Speaker 1: six action. The pod brought to you, of course by
Speaker 1: Mr Flames economics class in the Hague, the Netherlands. And
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about today's show. And by the way,
Speaker 1: everyone watching on periscope right now, how you doing? Are
Speaker 1: you doing? That's It's a little Joey Tribani callback. It's natural.
Speaker 1: That's that's what people look for. It's not just the results,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of personality. Sure, sure, that's what
Speaker 1: we do. And I'm excited about today's show because we
Speaker 1: got a saucy Mark Sessler downstairs today and I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a big performance ode of Mark that's
Speaker 1: put too much pressure on No. I mean I might
Speaker 1: have completely run out of gas. It's been a long day.
Speaker 1: West You are you at a front row seat for
Speaker 1: Mark today? Very fired up, kind of Saucy Sessler. This
Speaker 1: started last week. The Mark really has only three or
Speaker 1: four teams in the NFL he wants to watch right now,
Speaker 1: and everyone else, okay, go take a dirt nap. Well,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of you know what. I know,
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to say this, but there are a
Speaker 1: lot of crappy, junkie incomplete teams. And so when I
Speaker 1: see one or two dominate the way I saw today
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that, I enjoy it. You've just
Speaker 1: reached a point where like you're you think you can
Speaker 1: read a game now, and and five minutes into the
Speaker 1: game you want the other team to go away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they need to get off my radar. And this was
Speaker 1: get out of my life. So yeah, well maybe this
Speaker 1: this hopefully will pop up organically. Uh, some of this
Speaker 1: passion and Mark's thoughts about the NFL. But again another week,
Speaker 1: as we're gonna be about to jump into all the
Speaker 1: games and then cap it off with a Sunday night
Speaker 1: game between the Colts Texans. Uh, some of these games.
Speaker 1: I just can't make sense of some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: No wonder a lot of our locks of the week
Speaker 1: are going awry. The NFL is hard to figure out.
Speaker 1: Right now, let's get into some of these games. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's start with a team that maybe there's
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, hard to figure out for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Maybe not now, but entering the season,
Speaker 1: nobody saw this coming in the Atlanta Falcons, who fresh
Speaker 1: off defeating the Denver Broncos in Denver, travel to Seattle,
Speaker 1: and they put themselves in a tough spot. The Seattle
Speaker 1: Seahawks jumped out to a comfortable early lead, but then
Speaker 1: the Falcons roll off twenty one straight points in the
Speaker 1: second half, but Earl Thomas fourth quarter interception right at
Speaker 1: the point where the Falcons had a chance to potentially
Speaker 1: salt the game away with the one point lead that
Speaker 1: led to a go ahead field goal win at the
Speaker 1: clink for the Seahawks and Chris Westling the Falcons, they
Speaker 1: let this one get away, and you know what, the
Speaker 1: rest didn't help him any. Seahawks first let it get away,
Speaker 1: and then the Falcons let it get away. You're right,
Speaker 1: The rest and help part of it was Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: His first target of the game that did not result
Speaker 1: in the catch was an interception off his fingertips that
Speaker 1: led to the go ahead field goal for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Falcons had a chance to come back and take the lead.
Speaker 1: On fourth down, Matt Ryan desperation heave into double coverage
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman, with Richard Sherman hanging on
Speaker 1: Julio Jones's arm and egregious miscall on a past interference penalty.
Speaker 1: Officials often let jump balls go on the last play
Speaker 1: of the game. This one should have been called. It
Speaker 1: should have And it takes a lot for Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: to go as nuts on the sideline, but he knew
Speaker 1: that's the game change. You play now. You don't just
Speaker 1: hand the wind to the Falcons at that point. They
Speaker 1: have the ball at midfield with not a ton of
Speaker 1: time and still needed to hit a field goal and
Speaker 1: a road environment on the other side of midfield. But
Speaker 1: on the other side, but they would have had to
Speaker 1: get some more yards. They would have to, you know,
Speaker 1: count on a long kick. You you never know. It's
Speaker 1: crazy in this game, how dominant Seattle was for three
Speaker 1: of the quarters in Atlanta went up and down the
Speaker 1: field for the third quarter. I mean they had three
Speaker 1: long touchdown drives in Seattle right down their throats. A
Speaker 1: couple of coverage bus but they had two d and
Speaker 1: fifty yards in one quarter. They only had about a
Speaker 1: hundred yards the whole rest of the game. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks dominated in every sense of the word. The offensive
Speaker 1: line of the Falcons in the first half blitz calls
Speaker 1: and then Cliff April and Michael Bennett just wrecking the pocket.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan had seventeen dropbacks in the first half, it
Speaker 1: was hit on eleven of those, and Michael Bennett five
Speaker 1: quarterback hits and didn't play the last one and a
Speaker 1: half quarters of the game. His absence in the third
Speaker 1: quarter was directly related to, uh those three drives by
Speaker 1: the Falcons, not to mention blown coverage, which I believe
Speaker 1: probably resulted from Richard Richard Sherman going from zone defense
Speaker 1: which he usually plays to man demand and the confusion
Speaker 1: they're in following Julio Jones around. Can't we say, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: just say Michael Bennett suffered an apparent knee injury. We
Speaker 1: don't know how serious it is right now. He expects
Speaker 1: to play an next week. He said it is a
Speaker 1: brutal loss for the Falcons based on the final couple
Speaker 1: of seconds and Dan Quinn, who you know he keeps
Speaker 1: a lid on his emotions more than some coaches. Had
Speaker 1: every right to be furious with what he saw in
Speaker 1: the field, and it's a tough loss to swallow. But
Speaker 1: I also think that it for the Falcons, they passed
Speaker 1: the test on some level where this isn't some flukey
Speaker 1: team that's gonna wither up and vanish a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks from now. Their offense is legit, and part of
Speaker 1: maybe the third quarter dynamics was that they adjusted well
Speaker 1: to what they were seeing from Seattle. Absolutely, you have
Speaker 1: to give Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan credit for that.
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was dealing, as Greg said while he was
Speaker 1: watching him in a third quarter, he was in rhythm.
Speaker 1: And Kyle Shanahan's halftime adjustments were superb. He's been great
Speaker 1: all year. I think you said it right. They they
Speaker 1: have faced this test where it was Panthers, Broncos, Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and we said this team they've been beating up on cupcakes.
Speaker 1: Now they they look like the real deal right now.
Speaker 1: I gotta give their defense a lot of credit to you.
Speaker 1: Look on the road here, Russell Wilson was almost invisible
Speaker 1: in this game. You didn't really see much from him
Speaker 1: at all. Well, he played well. He did. His stats
Speaker 1: aren't gonna look great, but he played really well. Okay,
Speaker 1: and Kristen Michael held under four yards to carry that
Speaker 1: nothing nothing really jumps out when you look at the
Speaker 1: box score. Is something that that Seattle was able to
Speaker 1: impose their will on offense against Atlanti's defense. So that's
Speaker 1: a good side for a team. We know they have
Speaker 1: a great offense. Yeah, I think their defense is still mediocre.
Speaker 1: It might be a little bit better than we thought
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year, but it all depends
Speaker 1: on their pass rush and they didn't have much of
Speaker 1: that today. Were you concerned that the DeVonta Freeman Tevin
Speaker 1: Coleman duo that was so effective a week ago, I mean,
Speaker 1: looking looking at the numbers you saw live like that,
Speaker 1: they seem to be taken out of this one. I
Speaker 1: think the burgeoning Ezekiel Elliott aside. This is still the
Speaker 1: best backfield, the best complimentary backfield in the league. And
Speaker 1: this was just Michael Bennett and that defensive line owning
Speaker 1: the line of screen. And for them to win a
Speaker 1: game where they don't have Frank Clark, they don't have
Speaker 1: Bennett for much of the second half. They don't have
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor and his replacement, Kelsey McCrae, seemed to be
Speaker 1: directly leading to those two coverage bus or at least
Speaker 1: was part of those two plays. You know, Seattle playing
Speaker 1: Seattle straight up at home where they look even that's
Speaker 1: a great result, but it's still a great result for Seattle,
Speaker 1: UH to go for and one to get a bigger
Speaker 1: lead in this division. I hate how this game ended, though,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, do you know, it was such a
Speaker 1: great game to watch, you know, in the last in
Speaker 1: the last half is when I was really like closely
Speaker 1: watching the game, and to come down to an obvious
Speaker 1: blown call where Richard Servan grabbed Julio Jones's arm, kind
Speaker 1: of pulled it away, took away his center of gravity,
Speaker 1: made it an impossible catch, and to miss that called
Speaker 1: to me, kind of marred the well. It felt like
Speaker 1: a pro wrestling lever to pull like you know, this
Speaker 1: is a tough situation for the visiting team, the opponent,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna give him the call, and they'll
Speaker 1: deal with it. But it's like holds to the eye.
Speaker 1: You can't take away the third quarter because it happened.
Speaker 1: But Seattle was dominant, like Greg said, for three or
Speaker 1: four quarters. And and if you're a Seahawks fan, you
Speaker 1: you got the win, and you look dominant. And and
Speaker 1: there's three players before that fourth and ten incomplete, incomplete, incomplete,
Speaker 1: And I kind of thought, well, this isn't a bad
Speaker 1: spot for Land. I know they're in Seattle, but you
Speaker 1: only got to get forty you know, forty five yards
Speaker 1: to set up a game when if you go plenty
Speaker 1: of time, they couldn't do it. Let's move on, first down,
Speaker 1: thirty one seconds left, no time out. Snapped the deck,
Speaker 1: looking right, Fay, right side of the Chode. Touchdown. It's
Speaker 1: a touchdown. It's price Butler, that's a touchdown. That's one
Speaker 1: of the most unbelievable drives they have lent in years.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys are bad men. Bad man in a
Speaker 1: good way. Oh, in a good way. Well, very good
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the Cowboys, if you if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of an NFC team, you're getting nervous.
Speaker 1: Because dak Zeke and company rolled into lambeau Field on
Speaker 1: Sunday and dominated for four quarters, cruising to a thirty
Speaker 1: six win. On another day, where the Packers offense looked
Speaker 1: stuck in mud Mark Sessler, who this was the game
Speaker 1: where Mark was really almost in a rage. You know
Speaker 1: the part in the Seahawks game where they show to
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas's eyes West. Yes, it looked like Mike Singletary
Speaker 1: with that folks right in that last drive in the game.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh that leaves That was Mark wild
Speaker 1: eyed watching this game, rooting hard against the Packers, not
Speaker 1: even so much for the Cowboys. Mark, you were it
Speaker 1: was well, Mark was Dan Quinn and the Packers Where
Speaker 1: that rat was that ref? Yeah, I mean I can
Speaker 1: explain it if you like. Why don't we get into
Speaker 1: the game a little bit into the game first, So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have a formula here and nobody seems to
Speaker 1: know how to stop him Mark, They don't. This is
Speaker 1: a fun team to watch. One thing that I tweeted
Speaker 1: was that everyone goes into every season expecting the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers to put up an eight hundred points and
Speaker 1: just roll right into the NFC title game. And they're
Speaker 1: at home today and got absolutely physically dominated by a
Speaker 1: Cowboys team that has a fairly simple script, but as
Speaker 1: a violent script, it is we're going to run right
Speaker 1: through you. You try to deal with us. We're gonna
Speaker 1: set the tone with Ezekiel Elliott, and it was an
Speaker 1: embarrassing game for the Green Bay Packers to get handled
Speaker 1: this way at lambeau Field. They're gonna have to go
Speaker 1: look at this tape and figure out what's wrong with
Speaker 1: their team on both sides of the ball. Ezekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: you know, I was going, I think you have too
Speaker 1: potential Rookie of the candidate Rookie of the Year candidates,
Speaker 1: and give it to both of them. Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elli could be co Rookie of the Year on offense.
Speaker 1: I'd have no problem with that. And I understand that
Speaker 1: we're supposed to say that Tony Rome is gonna come
Speaker 1: right back and just he's gonna take this starting job.
Speaker 1: This game changes that narrative entirely. I thought that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I got almost thrown out of the studio, and I
Speaker 1: questioned that could be a possibility a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But he keeps on making plays a week after week,
Speaker 1: and if they roll into week eight or nine and
Speaker 1: they have one loss, there's no way that they're going
Speaker 1: to take him out. It just it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: You're waiting about a month in on on a promising
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback for teams to catch up and start to
Speaker 1: slice and dice the guy, and we have not seen that. Yes,
Speaker 1: he threw his first pick today, but he also shattered
Speaker 1: an NFL record for going a hundred and sixty three
Speaker 1: completions to start his career without a pick, taking down
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's record. And after fumbling the ball to play
Speaker 1: after he set that record, Dak Prescott, you know, a
Speaker 1: few drives later, put on a show with a one
Speaker 1: minute drive right before the half. We're in about thirty
Speaker 1: three seconds and four plays and seventy seven yards, went
Speaker 1: right down the field on green Bay's defense and absolutely
Speaker 1: put up a beautiful touchdown past de Bryce McCain. And
Speaker 1: this game I think was out of hand very early
Speaker 1: in the third quarter because green Bay could not set
Speaker 1: the tone. Well. The Cowboys are the same every week
Speaker 1: they come out of the gates setting the tone with
Speaker 1: these long drives on offense. They're great in the two
Speaker 1: minute drill every single week. And Dak Prescott did it
Speaker 1: again before halftime. And it's at the point where you
Speaker 1: have to see this Cowboys defense isn't just overachieving and
Speaker 1: in their their average, which is great for them, and
Speaker 1: we kind of think they're gonna fall. We have to
Speaker 1: say this is a pretty solid defense, a team that
Speaker 1: can contend to be a title type of team. It's
Speaker 1: a good secondary. It's not a great front seven. They're
Speaker 1: making plays, but they have on Lee and like you said,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a simple defense where they where they
Speaker 1: fly around, but the secondary is legitimately good. Barry Church,
Speaker 1: Barry Church, Maurice Claiborne, Morris Claiborne, Byron Jones is playing
Speaker 1: very well this year. I mean they have players in
Speaker 1: the back end when they complement the offense which says
Speaker 1: we want to go out and do seven and eight
Speaker 1: minute drives and put the opponent on their heels and
Speaker 1: that keeps your defense fresh. We'll work every game. No,
Speaker 1: but it worked in a game that if you don't
Speaker 1: want to believe in Dallas that you're in a tough road,
Speaker 1: you're in a tough place after this game. Uh. And
Speaker 1: on the Green Bay side, and you know when we
Speaker 1: did our go get my lunch props. Uh. Last month,
Speaker 1: I I stuck my neck out a little bit for
Speaker 1: the Packers, I said, five and thirty points. I got crazy. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's how many points their offense would score. But you
Speaker 1: know what, I was not alone in the thought that
Speaker 1: this offense would pick up where they left off the
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen once they got healthy and
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers involved. But now and Bob mcgutton wrote
Speaker 1: about this the Milwaukee General Centinal this morning about how
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has not been a superstar for a full season. Now, West,
Speaker 1: this is a team with serious problems on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and there are no obvious solutions. Well,
Speaker 1: serious problems start with Aaron Rodgers. Now, last year we
Speaker 1: talked about the wide receivers, the past protection, the running game,
Speaker 1: and now we have to accept that starting with the
Speaker 1: middle of last year. And I wrote about this a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Last year, he got into bad habits
Speaker 1: because he had to improvise when plays break down so much.
Speaker 1: But now he's only comfortable when the play breaks down
Speaker 1: and he wants to throw without setting his feet. He's
Speaker 1: always been good at throwing without setting his feet, but
Speaker 1: now he wants to do it most of the time. Well,
Speaker 1: it's almost like the Packers offensive line is playing too
Speaker 1: well for Rogers because he's not facing any pressure, and
Speaker 1: he's looked more lost, i believe, last week than he's
Speaker 1: ever looked when he faced no pressure at all. There's
Speaker 1: a stat from Pro Football Focus today, only face pressure
Speaker 1: on six of forty six dropbacks today against the Cowboy.
Speaker 1: That's a very you know, low amount on plays with
Speaker 1: no pressure six point two yards per tempt. He's playing
Speaker 1: worse when he has time to throw, which is just
Speaker 1: a strange thing. Yeah, and it totally played out today.
Speaker 1: There were plays where seconds would pass and he'd just
Speaker 1: be dancing back in the pocket. But who do you
Speaker 1: blame when he fumbles the ball inside the five close
Speaker 1: to a touchdown against Dallas? And who do you blame
Speaker 1: when he completely overthrows Randall Cobb in the end zone
Speaker 1: on a key drive that airmail. It was on a
Speaker 1: free play in the third Carter would have brought Green
Speaker 1: Bay within a touchdown and it's a it's a different
Speaker 1: game at that point. Instead he airmails what would have
Speaker 1: been a gimme touchdown by the old Aaron Rodgers. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a thing that now it's no longer
Speaker 1: a trend. It's just it's like the new normal in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. I think everybody's trying to make sense of it.
Speaker 1: It's an extended slump brought upon by lapsing fundamentals. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he's broken beyond repair. This is the
Speaker 1: beginning of a decline. It means it has to get fixed. Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's also coaching, though I think other coaches get,
Speaker 1: you know, scheme to get the receivers open better than
Speaker 1: than Green Bay does, who kind of trots out the
Speaker 1: same guys and and expects them to it. And I
Speaker 1: know it's really early in the season and they're there
Speaker 1: two games back in the I do think if the
Speaker 1: offense doesn't get better by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna wonder if Mike McCarthy keeps his job.
Speaker 1: I mean, because he's an offensive guy and it's been
Speaker 1: a long long time. And I think Ted Thompson, who
Speaker 1: has obviously been very hesitant to think about a change,
Speaker 1: I think if the offense is low to pour, they
Speaker 1: might make a change. And one final note, like this
Speaker 1: team is boring to watch. You don't think that's going
Speaker 1: to be the case when you have what we thought
Speaker 1: was a Hall of fame top five quarterback, and I
Speaker 1: still do ultimately running the show. It's it's a capsized
Speaker 1: attack that is hard on the eyes and is two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen Aaron Rodgers coachable. We don't really know that.
Speaker 1: And one of the and that McGinn piece Gregg that
Speaker 1: you and I both liked it was really good. Uh
Speaker 1: he did. There was a little la ravi mcnifico uh
Speaker 1: in that post about an exit. When he was asked
Speaker 1: about his exhibition game struggles, he completely dismissed it. What
Speaker 1: was the well, they said, what what you expect, I
Speaker 1: think even before the game to get out of this,
Speaker 1: you know, preseason, And he said nothing right, and and
Speaker 1: and and the inference was that he's a guy that,
Speaker 1: you know, shouldn't be looking at things that way. He
Speaker 1: made some comments that that Rogers does not face a
Speaker 1: lot of criticism from coaches, players, fans, or anything. I
Speaker 1: think people are a little afraid, fraid to be honest
Speaker 1: with them. So let's move up. This will be a
Speaker 1: fifty two yard attempt. He has hit from fifty seven
Speaker 1: against Atlanta left hash mark fifty two yards away. Will
Speaker 1: LUTs the walk on from Georgia State drills. It forward
Speaker 1: and drills it through. Will LUTs has did it little
Speaker 1: eleven seconds left and the Saints have taken a three
Speaker 1: point lead. How about there? How about there? As a
Speaker 1: thirty rock fan, I love that there's a Lutz in
Speaker 1: the NFL right now, Curtains for Carolina, Will lutz Is
Speaker 1: fifty two yard field goal in the final seconds lifted
Speaker 1: the Saints to a win over the Panthers at the
Speaker 1: super Dome. The Panthers rallied at a huge deficit in
Speaker 1: this one, Greg, how much was it at its biggest?
Speaker 1: Anyone nothing, anyone nothing, but their defense couldn't make the
Speaker 1: stop to let them steal the game. Instead, the Panthers
Speaker 1: are one in five and on the edge of the
Speaker 1: abyss in the NFC playoff picture, just like we all predicted,
Speaker 1: right Greg, No one saw this coming. We did wonder
Speaker 1: how will they handle adversity? That was something we talked
Speaker 1: about in there in the preview. How will this team
Speaker 1: handle Uh, something's going poorly because it never happened last year.
Speaker 1: This is this is the a team that every time
Speaker 1: they lose the game, they fall apart. They went one
Speaker 1: eight and one a couple of years ago before that
Speaker 1: made that run Uh, then they've gone twenty two and
Speaker 1: two for a stretch and now they're one in five
Speaker 1: and it's it's all on the defense. No one should
Speaker 1: be shocked that the Saints put up a lot of
Speaker 1: points in the Superdome and a division matchup, because that's
Speaker 1: what the Saints do. But look, the Panthers offense did
Speaker 1: enough to win this game, and Ron Rivera's defense, especially
Speaker 1: this secondary Zack Sanchez and Kurt Coleman and trade Ball
Speaker 1: Austin and that whole group got shredded when accounted. Drew
Speaker 1: Brees throws for four and sixty five yards two weeks
Speaker 1: after Matt Ryan throws for five something. I mean, it
Speaker 1: sounds when Dave get Leiman decides that I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: pay a cover two corner fifteen million dollars. It sounds
Speaker 1: good on paper and the off season. Look at the
Speaker 1: discipline of this good general manager. But you've got a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl window and you're blowing a season of that
Speaker 1: window because your secondary is not good enough. I think
Speaker 1: I think Josh Norman is shown in Washington what a
Speaker 1: great cornerback he is. I think he's having a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl season, and for him to do it for another
Speaker 1: team shows that it's not just the Carolina system. So
Speaker 1: it is the defense. I don't think you can put
Speaker 1: it all on that decision, it's part of it. I
Speaker 1: don't think Thomas Davis has been quite the same. K
Speaker 1: One Short's definitely not been the same. They haven't had
Speaker 1: any pass rush Tony really hasn't done what he did
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, not even close to it. That said,
Speaker 1: the game is twenty one nothing. I follow a lot
Speaker 1: of Saints reporters, fans, you know, everyone, everyone that's a
Speaker 1: Saints fan expected them to blow this lead once it
Speaker 1: was tenant half. They were just assuming that this game
Speaker 1: is gonna come down the last possession. It's amazing. That's yep,
Speaker 1: that's exactly how it happens. It comes down the top
Speaker 1: three scoring games in terms of most points in a game,
Speaker 1: all NFC South games, Falcons, Panthers, Saints. When those two
Speaker 1: teams have played, that's the three highest scoring games of
Speaker 1: the year. Well, this the Saints do not matter in
Speaker 1: this NFL season. There, that's fine, and well I find
Speaker 1: this this is before the season. This is this is
Speaker 1: a formula for every Saints game ever since they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Drew Brees throws for four d plus yards.
Speaker 1: You can't really run the ball consistently. You give up
Speaker 1: about a thousand yards on defense, and it goes down
Speaker 1: to the wire. It's forty one thirty eight, and we're
Speaker 1: all excited about the Saints. This is a you know
Speaker 1: what in Mickey loomis, how about this. You're not running
Speaker 1: the NBA Pelicans over here. You don't give up thirty
Speaker 1: eight points on defense or forty one points week after
Speaker 1: week and act like you're fundamentally getting anything done here.
Speaker 1: It's been the same problems for half a decade. Solve them.
Speaker 1: This is un watchable football to me. I don't like this.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is the product that other people want to see.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is boring football. When you're giving
Speaker 1: up this kind of real estate and points week after week,
Speaker 1: you've had half a decade to fix it, you haven't
Speaker 1: done it right. It's a meaningless, hollow win. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Mark is saying, like I think he's saying everything the Saints.
Speaker 1: Saints fans and we we've talked about it last year
Speaker 1: when they gave Peyton that extension that like he has
Speaker 1: shown he cannot fix the defense. That said, you know
Speaker 1: they won this game at home. They've won two in
Speaker 1: a row. Now, they're not out of it by any
Speaker 1: means at two and three. All four of their games,
Speaker 1: the four of their five games have come down to
Speaker 1: the last set. Well, out of what what do we
Speaker 1: want them to achieve? What would we be? Would anyone
Speaker 1: who cares about NFL football and the quality of NFL
Speaker 1: football be excited to see this version of an NFL
Speaker 1: team make the playoffs? They are out of it? John
Speaker 1: Peyton in a briefcase, Oh yeah, well listen, good for him,
Speaker 1: but he's king around the owners meetings with his contract extension.
Speaker 1: In his briefcase, this is Sean Payton knows how to
Speaker 1: coach football as well as anyone on offense, but the
Speaker 1: fundamental lingering issues on the other side of the ball
Speaker 1: are completely unacceptable. Tons of other coaches would have been
Speaker 1: dealt with by now. We we've been through their defensive
Speaker 1: I mean, they're down today. So let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Panthers here? Who uh there? Are they done? Are they
Speaker 1: done at one in five? Because I I want to
Speaker 1: say they want what like fourteen in a row last year,
Speaker 1: but this isn't last year anymore. And like the Packers
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. It's at the point now where it's like,
Speaker 1: is this a slump or is this the new normal?
Speaker 1: Or the Panthers just not good West? Is that where
Speaker 1: we're at now. They're not a good team right now.
Speaker 1: The offense, just by reading the box score, looks like
Speaker 1: they bounced back and we're fine today. But they also
Speaker 1: started They also didn't do anything early. They punted the ball,
Speaker 1: which against New Orleans it's like an arena league team.
Speaker 1: You can't punt. The signs are there. Cam Newton passed well,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart ran well, Kelvin Benjamin and Greg Olsen caught well.
Speaker 1: Those things happened, but the defense just gave up too
Speaker 1: many and we're you know, I'm sure you guys have
Speaker 1: got someone as well. I got a bunch of tweets
Speaker 1: about forking the Panthers. I'm not ready to do it yet.
Speaker 1: I think that the would I be surprised even in
Speaker 1: the least bit if come December one they're in the
Speaker 1: middle of the race for a playoff spot, maybe not
Speaker 1: the division, but a playoffs. I would not be surprising
Speaker 1: because they've done this before. They've gotten off to horrible starts,
Speaker 1: they've shown that streak. It is not I don't you know.
Speaker 1: Barring an absolute injury riddled collapse by Atlanta, this division
Speaker 1: is not going to be won by Carolina. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that have a problem with him sticking around
Speaker 1: for a couple of Yeah. I agree. There are another team.
Speaker 1: Three games have come down to the last second field goal.
Speaker 1: They've only been outscored by fifteen points. But they're not
Speaker 1: They're not good. I mean, it's amazing in this in
Speaker 1: this spot that Cam Newton and and the rest of
Speaker 1: the crew couldn't do it. Uh that by the way,
Speaker 1: Jim Henderson of w w L with that call, let's
Speaker 1: move on, Star down down back at the funny eight
Speaker 1: yard line fifth Washington sad it's been fitty because all
Speaker 1: day long they've been all over Carson Wentz Kenny Albert
Speaker 1: of Fox. The Redskins fifth sack of the game was
Speaker 1: the final nail in the coffin for Carson Wentz and
Speaker 1: the Eagles on Sunday, as the Redskins held on for
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty win at fed X Field. The
Speaker 1: Redskins have now won fourth straight go figure After that
Speaker 1: ugly oh and to start on Sunday. The Redskins decision
Speaker 1: to go after Carson Wentz paid off, didn't it. Mark.
Speaker 1: This was a fascinating game, and I was telling you
Speaker 1: guys during it that I'll be interested to see what
Speaker 1: you think when you watch us on game pass, because
Speaker 1: something remarkable happened out of the gates, something I didn't expect,
Speaker 1: and it was the way that Washington played excellent keepaway
Speaker 1: football from the Eagles. They got enough from the running
Speaker 1: game early and made key passes through the air. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins had one of the best games he's had in
Speaker 1: a while. At one point, they had had run thirty
Speaker 1: eight straight plays with none for Philadelphia except for an
Speaker 1: kneel down to end the first half. Carson Wentz did
Speaker 1: not see the field for roughly twenty minutes at one
Speaker 1: point of game time, and this score twenty to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: You just want to go look at the box score.
Speaker 1: Good for you, it's not as close as it was.
Speaker 1: The touchdowns for Philly came off of pick six, the
Speaker 1: only really bad play by Kirk Cousins through the air
Speaker 1: and off of a kick return. And so so this
Speaker 1: was another otherwise and absolutely smothering defensive effort by Washington,
Speaker 1: not a team I would have seen it coming from.
Speaker 1: They were in Kirk, They were in Carson Wentz's face
Speaker 1: from the first second. They sacked him twice on the
Speaker 1: first drive, and they got him twice on the last.
Speaker 1: And this was a punishing This is this was Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz facing a defense that put him number one. They're
Speaker 1: gonna go after him, and they got it done. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen him face this heat all year. All the
Speaker 1: all of his previous touchdowns came against teams that were
Speaker 1: not pressuring him. So this was an interesting turn of
Speaker 1: events for the Eagles. I don't think that I think
Speaker 1: there's still a good team. Washington commanded this one from
Speaker 1: the start. This surprise is I mean, I mean, whoever
Speaker 1: there were? You know, the Bills and the Redskins were
Speaker 1: the two talks of the league in terms of worst
Speaker 1: case situations playing out in their respective conferences. First of all,
Speaker 1: neither team has lost since. But on the Redskin side
Speaker 1: of it, West, I mean, Kirk Cousin was getting playing terribly,
Speaker 1: getting killed in his locker room. It had leaked out
Speaker 1: to the press, and now they're they're beating everybody. Is
Speaker 1: this surprised you? How well they're they're playing right now.
Speaker 1: It does. And I think what we've been asking for
Speaker 1: is what is what do they hang their hat on?
Speaker 1: What do the Redskins do well? And this game, from
Speaker 1: Mark's recap, you can see is the blueprint that Scott
Speaker 1: McCluin had in mind when he decided to draft Brandon
Speaker 1: Sheriff over Leonard Williams. We want to play keepaway football,
Speaker 1: dominating the ground game, and they haven't dominated in the
Speaker 1: ground game really except for two or three games over
Speaker 1: the last two years. But this is what they want
Speaker 1: to do because you don't have Kirk Cousins as the
Speaker 1: focal point of your offense. You have him as a
Speaker 1: guy who is doing well because he's buoyed by surrounding town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he threw his touchdowns, he got two of
Speaker 1: them today, but it was a balanced attack down the
Speaker 1: stretch where you're right. The running game has been so
Speaker 1: up and down. Greg's been a big Matt Jones guy.
Speaker 1: You'll like this game. Hundred and thirty five yards at
Speaker 1: eight point four per carried today, and what it was
Speaker 1: was down the stretch when they needed to, he got
Speaker 1: close once nearly brought the Eagles back with all the
Speaker 1: stuff that happened, and I kept thinking it's gonna go
Speaker 1: to overtime. But a couple of possessions later, Matt Jones
Speaker 1: ran off a couple of big runs and put this
Speaker 1: thing out of reach. Robert Kelly, the rookie look great.
Speaker 1: Tote yards they had two yards from lane. That's the
Speaker 1: a storyline. Here are two lane players. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just running back. You uh. That's three out of four
Speaker 1: weeks where they've closed out games on the ground, So
Speaker 1: they're starting to build up something there where they really
Speaker 1: run the ball well in the second half closeout games.
Speaker 1: I've picked on this Redskins team for not having anything exciting,
Speaker 1: especially on defense. Looks like Trent Murphy Ryan Carrigan got
Speaker 1: after it today. Murphy is putting together a good season.
Speaker 1: Carrigan's solid. I mean, those are the guys who gotta
Speaker 1: build around. Doesn't get you going in the morning. But
Speaker 1: the NFC East is good. I mean, we got the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and we got the Eagles and Cowboys on Sunday Night football.
Speaker 1: It deserves to be there next week. If the Redskins
Speaker 1: are finding identity and they're gonna be winning games this season,
Speaker 1: and you put them in the mix. You got the Redskins,
Speaker 1: the Giants, the Cowboys, the Eagles. There's not a bad
Speaker 1: team of the bunch with the Redskins would be in
Speaker 1: the playoffs if the see if the season ended now,
Speaker 1: so they're doing pretty well. I want to know, Mark,
Speaker 1: what's the state of Carson Wentz after this game. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about Carson Wentz because I still see I
Speaker 1: think looks and they the game plan took him out.
Speaker 1: He was off the field for twenty plus minutes at
Speaker 1: one point. This was a total team win for the Redskins.
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, you know you didn't get to see a
Speaker 1: lot from him today. I have no problem with him
Speaker 1: going forward. He's still a very talented young quarterback that's
Speaker 1: showing just as much as Dak Prescott in many ways.
Speaker 1: But this game, when you're when you're when your whole
Speaker 1: offense gets handed this kind of deal today, good luck.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. It's a second and eighteen for the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Tap late pluts are coming, high tower zone throws him
Speaker 1: down for a Safety's we know now, you guys know,
Speaker 1: I am such a jerk. I thought everyone was like
Speaker 1: that is Bob sochy and that sounded like Scott's Zola
Speaker 1: all act as a guy who's always a bit of
Speaker 1: a sports hub. That is some loose cannon color work.
Speaker 1: I like the exclamation right right when it happened. Didn't
Speaker 1: even say a word, He just goes what it's so excited? Yeeze?
Speaker 1: What does he have against Andy Dalton? Anyway, here on
Speaker 1: the throne of ease. They locked in Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: a healthy Rob Gronkowski, an impossible hassle for team, something
Speaker 1: the Bengals were reminded of on Sunday and the Patriots
Speaker 1: seventeen win in Foxborough. Chris Wessing, the Bengals did their
Speaker 1: best to hang around in this game, but the Pats
Speaker 1: they're just too much to handle. Can you look at
Speaker 1: the box score, you would think Brady was locked in
Speaker 1: all game. That was not true. Has tax regression, No,
Speaker 1: not not a regression. But for the first quarter and half,
Speaker 1: the Bengals secondary was stingy, did not let anybody get open,
Speaker 1: and they got a pass rush Brady. Brady was pushed
Speaker 1: out of the pocket, pushed off his sweet spot and
Speaker 1: couldn't get any rhythm going until Drake Kirkpatrick's illegal contact
Speaker 1: penalty on a third and eight team gave them new
Speaker 1: life and they went down the field James White touchdown.
Speaker 1: Then starting the second half, Andy Dalton has a great
Speaker 1: touchdown drive, Bengals take the lead. Patriots. Patriots go three
Speaker 1: and out. It looks like Bengals are taking control of
Speaker 1: the game, and then a Cedric a Boullier penalty puts
Speaker 1: puts him in position for that safety. Dante a Hotel
Speaker 1: our second straight week with a safety. After that, Patriots
Speaker 1: scored twenty four points on their next four possessions and
Speaker 1: the onslought was on. Bengals couldn't keep up. That's that's
Speaker 1: the tricky part of playing a keepaway type of strategy
Speaker 1: is if a team as explosive as the Patriots can
Speaker 1: put up points quickly, you don't have time to come back.
Speaker 1: They had nine drives in this game, the Patriots, I
Speaker 1: would I'm pretty sure that's the fewest drives by any
Speaker 1: team in any game this season, and they put up
Speaker 1: thirty five points in nine drives. Sorry to do. Bengals
Speaker 1: dominated time of possession in this first half, and then
Speaker 1: the second half, the Patriots were just too much. Gronk.
Speaker 1: The gronk is all the way back healthwise. Now, four
Speaker 1: plays of twenty five or more yards in this game,
Speaker 1: and it got things got feisty. Vante Vante Perfect, he
Speaker 1: got uh, you know, some of his dirty tactics on
Speaker 1: low hits. After Adam Jones went low on Gronk, gotta
Speaker 1: play Gronk, let Jones know about it. Perfect got angry
Speaker 1: about that. And then on the next play Gronk had
Speaker 1: another big first down which led to a little a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shimmy, a drop ball shimmy by
Speaker 1: Bronk toward the Cincinnati sideline that drew a flag. But
Speaker 1: totally understandable for a guy that I got his knee
Speaker 1: blown out on a low hit. Not to mention right
Speaker 1: before then, Vontes Perfect went low on Martella's Bennett's knees
Speaker 1: on a play when Bennet didn't even have the ball.
Speaker 1: That was nasty. Well, it's it's to be expected from
Speaker 1: that player, the dirtiest player I've ever seen. But what
Speaker 1: about the wow? Wow? What about that three game suspension?
Speaker 1: Was that supposed the clearest mind of this type of film.
Speaker 1: That's not always how this work? Do you expect when
Speaker 1: entire city makes excuses for him? Week after week and
Speaker 1: day after Dayntes perfect and do whatever he wants. In
Speaker 1: Cincinnati will back him. Their coaching stafford back him. Reade,
Speaker 1: you have to sit Vontes's perfect down. If he doesn't
Speaker 1: get the message, I'd be real concerned about this Bengals
Speaker 1: team at this point. You're gonna get a win next
Speaker 1: week in Cleveland, but the schedule after that is it's
Speaker 1: rough right up until the end and everything that we
Speaker 1: thought about the Bengals, You're gonna be a hard nosed
Speaker 1: running team that beats people up. I'm looking at what
Speaker 1: the two main running backs, Bernard and Jeremy Hill produced
Speaker 1: today and is it unimpressive in real life as it
Speaker 1: looks on paper. It is? And I think if you
Speaker 1: if you say the Bengals deserve benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: because they've been there for five straight years, they'll turn
Speaker 1: their season around. You have to believe they're gonna earned
Speaker 1: the running game around. If you believe that, because they
Speaker 1: don't have anything but a j Green going on offense
Speaker 1: right now, and he's having an All Pro year. But
Speaker 1: I think it's telling when you have three out of
Speaker 1: four they get a goal line stand stuffed first and
Speaker 1: one from the goal line. Three Geo Bernard runs. I
Speaker 1: don't know where Jeremy Hill is during that series, but
Speaker 1: three Geo Bernard runs and he can't get in the
Speaker 1: end zone. I think that tells you a lot. He'll
Speaker 1: vanished for stretches of time in the previous game too.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were man handled by Dallas, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked they lost today. But there's a string
Speaker 1: of bad games here for they, not Tyler Eifford. Their
Speaker 1: schedule has been frontloaded on the road. Four of their
Speaker 1: six games have been on the road. They've been against
Speaker 1: great teams Pittsburgh, Dallas, New England. But there's not a
Speaker 1: lot to be excited about. Let's move on, gentlemen, and
Speaker 1: talk about another a f C East team, uh that
Speaker 1: keeps on winning. The Buffalo Bills are rolling a revitalized
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy ran for a hundred and forty yards and
Speaker 1: three scores, and Colin Kaepernick's returned to the starting lineup.
Speaker 1: Did little mark the Niners in Buffalo's forty five sixteen
Speaker 1: win at Orchard Park. Greg, we have to consider the
Speaker 1: opponent here, Greg, I guess I like that. Why are
Speaker 1: you rubbing massaging Greg's left shoulder less comfortable about. You
Speaker 1: have to consider the opponent here. But Rex and the
Speaker 1: Bills have some swag they do. They put it on
Speaker 1: the forty Niners defense in a way that Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: could not have dreamed of any better. Three hundred and
Speaker 1: twelve yards on the ground rushing day, more than anything
Speaker 1: in the world, the most rushing yards given up by
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners since nineteen fifty eight. The
Speaker 1: only thing game became the only thing that gets Rex
Speaker 1: more excited than three yard rushing days from his team
Speaker 1: or feet. No, I don't know if they were really
Speaker 1: that good. I looked up there, who are their coach was?
Speaker 1: But I totally forget. Try to get a reaction that
Speaker 1: Assessler to what what do you want me to say
Speaker 1: to bring it back around? Well, he's got the He's
Speaker 1: got two guys with the two best feet at their
Speaker 1: position in the entire league, Tyrod Taylor and Lashawn McCoy.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's harder to tackle than Lashawn McCoy
Speaker 1: right now. And I think that Tyrod Taylor, with all
Speaker 1: due respect to Russell Wilson, is the best running quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's an unbelievable scam scrambler. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you can make your whole offense around that, but
Speaker 1: it's just a fact. On days like this, they were
Speaker 1: getting some free rushers at him. He's getting away from them,
Speaker 1: he's buying time, he's throwing passes. Mostly he's just running.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had sixty eight yards on the ground,
Speaker 1: but so many on third and long where they could
Speaker 1: not get off the field because he can't tackle this guy. Well,
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn needs to get some more low because what
Speaker 1: the Bills have done in the last four weeks is
Speaker 1: one of the best most effective four game stretches of
Speaker 1: running in the early season in the history of the
Speaker 1: NFL and the and it's one of the most productive
Speaker 1: four game stretch you've seen before mid season in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. I would tend to give most
Speaker 1: of the credit for this Bill's resurgence, you know, to
Speaker 1: Zack Brown and Lorenzo Alexander both had good games, and
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan for the most part. But in this game,
Speaker 1: and and really if you look at the way they've
Speaker 1: set the tempo in the other games, it's it's been
Speaker 1: about the offense too. This is the difference in this
Speaker 1: game was really that the forty Niners after a while
Speaker 1: just caved in. The Bills have kind of had been
Speaker 1: good for a half, but then quiet like they were
Speaker 1: against the Patriots and Ramps in this game they ran
Speaker 1: away with. It was only a one score game. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Zach Brown didn't pile up five hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 1: I like, what's happening on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And you know, listen, we we We just took the
Speaker 1: Saints to the cleaners and if they turned their defense around,
Speaker 1: I'll admit I'm wrong, and I'm willing to admit that
Speaker 1: I had Rex Ryan probably out of a job by
Speaker 1: week eight, and I couldn't be more wrong. Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: has shown some fight here and the Bills have been
Speaker 1: fun to watch, and they are winning in a way.
Speaker 1: If they can keep this up, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: a smoke and mirrors up ration when you can run
Speaker 1: the ball this way. What about on San Francisco side,
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick A lot of talk about it. It's pretty
Speaker 1: kind of an ugly scene according to if you followed
Speaker 1: Robert Klempo's timeline outside the Bills stadium, which maybe shouldn't
Speaker 1: be a surprise with people not being Kaepernick fans. How
Speaker 1: did he play? He was better than Blaine Gabber, but
Speaker 1: that's a really low bar. You know, he avoided making
Speaker 1: the big mistake that it was a one score game
Speaker 1: late in the third quarter. He's definitely a better runner
Speaker 1: than Gabber. I thought he showed really good vision, really
Speaker 1: good job as a runner and as a scrambler. That
Speaker 1: was the best part of their offense. Again, I think
Speaker 1: I think he's got a little more back as a
Speaker 1: as an athlete than people give him credit. But he
Speaker 1: missed a bunch of throws still. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the one touchdown they had it was a very windy game,
Speaker 1: was a deeply under thrown ball. You know, he didn't
Speaker 1: look he didn't look like he's gonna solve this team.
Speaker 1: He can't play defense for them, he can't play wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He's not good enough to to save this. This is
Speaker 1: a depressing team. Records aside. Is this the worst club
Speaker 1: in the end of all? Right? Now, Yes, I think
Speaker 1: it's a strong argu that the Dolphins had a nice
Speaker 1: day today. Yes, I would say you probably can put them.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there are other teams very close now,
Speaker 1: they're they're the worst because they have so little. They
Speaker 1: have so little on either side of the ball at
Speaker 1: this point. By the way, the coach of the fifty
Speaker 1: eighth forty Niners, Frankie Albert and uh a nice little
Speaker 1: quarterback combination. Why A Tittle and John Brody, two guys
Speaker 1: who had great careers think Leo Nomlini was on their defense.
Speaker 1: West was about eight years old when that when that
Speaker 1: season happened, Which is unfair for me to say because
Speaker 1: I'm older than West. So let's move on. Manning out
Speaker 1: of the gun, single back left. He takes the snap,
Speaker 1: he looks, he throws hold on catch a friender down Tony,
Speaker 1: Tony down up so fun touchdown, hold down, pick up
Speaker 1: junior sixty six yards, the fallen raven defender riving a
Speaker 1: paint on his back near the forty Giants up twenty.
Speaker 1: That's Bob Papa w F A. N Odell Beckham Jr.
Speaker 1: Put the Giants on his backs at a career high
Speaker 1: with two two yards and two touchdowns, including the go
Speaker 1: ahead score that you just heard with one to play
Speaker 1: in Big Blue win over the Baltimore Ravens. Beckham punctuated
Speaker 1: those two second half scores with various kicking net related shenanigans,
Speaker 1: and they potentially costly personal foul for removing his helmet
Speaker 1: on the field to play. But West, you know that
Speaker 1: all that stuff is annoying and it drives me crazy personally.
Speaker 1: But Beckham's greatness as a playmaker cannot be overstated. Every
Speaker 1: time I looked up, I watched the highlight package. He
Speaker 1: was running after the catch, pasted all the entire secondary
Speaker 1: They just couldn't catch up to him after the catch.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you. I'm not saying, out of
Speaker 1: the four people in this room, I have the best
Speaker 1: handle on what constitutes humor. But but if it's a
Speaker 1: great sense of humor, but it was pretty fun, I'll
Speaker 1: say this. If it's contrived, it's not comedy. And the
Speaker 1: whole net kicking thing is tired, and that's a bit
Speaker 1: in his own head that is just like love it.
Speaker 1: I saw some people like, oh, it really was fun.
Speaker 1: It was fun. I just want to people to know
Speaker 1: if we might as well break down the bed a
Speaker 1: little bit. Here he gets whacked in the head by
Speaker 1: the kicking net and one of the losses a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Uh, he scores a touchdown in a
Speaker 1: losing effort last week and kisses the net. After the
Speaker 1: first touchdown today, he lays down on the ground and
Speaker 1: pulls the net over him to simulate I think sexual intercourse.
Speaker 1: And then after the second touchdown he gets down on
Speaker 1: one knee and proposes to the net. Me me me, me,
Speaker 1: me me me. But you know he also won the
Speaker 1: game single handedly, so you know, I got giants fence
Speaker 1: coming after me because and I makes like the dorky
Speaker 1: white uncle or something. But the guy just drives me
Speaker 1: nuts with some of the behavior and then he and
Speaker 1: then he goes and has a performance like that on
Speaker 1: the field. I don't know, like people lose their minds
Speaker 1: when you see a five game stretch where doesn't get
Speaker 1: in the end zone. And there are some games where
Speaker 1: he disappears and they decide that he's overraping. He's still
Speaker 1: one of the seminole talents in this league. YEP. I'd
Speaker 1: have a bigger issue with him ripping his helmet off
Speaker 1: in a rule violation that everyone should know, because that
Speaker 1: had things gone a little bit differently, we'd be talking
Speaker 1: about old o' Beckham in a completely different way. Right now,
Speaker 1: I just can't put your team in that position was
Speaker 1: uh to play when he got that penalty, and then
Speaker 1: uh the Ravens were unable to make that final drive
Speaker 1: down the field. But uh, you know, the Ravens on
Speaker 1: their side, three game winning streak to start the season,
Speaker 1: now a three game losing streak, and you know, you
Speaker 1: really have to look at the injuries that are piling up.
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and Eli Manning both struggled in the first half.
Speaker 1: Beckham lost a fumble early on Eli Eli looked a
Speaker 1: little um discombobulated, but then they once cornerback Jimmy Smith
Speaker 1: went out for Baltimore with a concussion, things changed quickly,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know Trrell Suggs left this game. Baltimore
Speaker 1: entered this game without three of their starting lineup, starting
Speaker 1: offensive linemen playing and Steve Smith out. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a lot to be up against. You Stumerville hasn't
Speaker 1: played for this team. It seems like every week they
Speaker 1: take a commanding lead, or at least seem like they're
Speaker 1: in control of the game, and then injuries happen and
Speaker 1: they have to adjust their playing stuff. Jimmy Smith, it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a concussion. Who knows how long he'll
Speaker 1: be out for. Sometimes it's not just how great is
Speaker 1: the player, it's who's behind him, and they are thin
Speaker 1: at cornerback. There is a steep drop off like they
Speaker 1: happened for like four years, right, and steep out drop
Speaker 1: off after Jimmy Smith and Ladarius Webb, who's been playing
Speaker 1: pretty well this year, is involved in both of those
Speaker 1: Beckham plays. I mean, I think I think people you
Speaker 1: know that are Ravens fans are furious right now with
Speaker 1: Ladarius Webb for giving up those plays as the deep
Speaker 1: safety and a yard three touched, three touchdown passing day
Speaker 1: from Eli Manning should quiet people like Greg that's say,
Speaker 1: oh maybe he's too old now to be a good Well.
Speaker 1: I liked it in your post and you you you
Speaker 1: didn't mention Greg, which is probably a good move from
Speaker 1: a from a coworker angle, but you called it a
Speaker 1: dumb narrative that Age White explained the quarterback's recent slump,
Speaker 1: which I which I didn't find that bringing this that
Speaker 1: you brought that up as as something and I said, well,
Speaker 1: that's not that crazy you because you got you Sometimes
Speaker 1: you get yourself in trouble because you get on contrarian
Speaker 1: corner even when you don't believe what you're saying. And
Speaker 1: in that case, you made the point, well it could
Speaker 1: be aged right, but I didn't. I didn't raise that point. No,
Speaker 1: Greg that he doesn't believe what he's saying. He hates that.
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, any chance that I have
Speaker 1: to get you and Dan into a tight spot like that,
Speaker 1: um maybe would encourage more shoulder rubbering from Dan, Like
Speaker 1: I know you that happened about ten minutes ago, and
Speaker 1: I didn't. It wasn't personal. Was that Eli Manning running
Speaker 1: through the secondary all game? Or was it Odeble? But
Speaker 1: get it? And I know that's your whole thing. But
Speaker 1: it's like, then the quarterback doesn't get any credit for
Speaker 1: delivering the ball on time, in a good spot and
Speaker 1: making the reads. Where was he the last few weeks
Speaker 1: that quarterback? Where was Odell? I don't know, Probably just
Speaker 1: like crying on the sideline gram let him make a play.
Speaker 1: That's how football works. Was and there a lot of
Speaker 1: football books. It's it's a team effort, is not just
Speaker 1: one guy. And yet they're in last place. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing. Three they're okay, they're okay, John said, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I still they are. I think quintessential nine
Speaker 1: and seven team. I don't know I get it done,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't agree more. And I they've got a
Speaker 1: lot to figure out in other areas like this. The
Speaker 1: fact that you just simply cannot run the ball, that's
Speaker 1: that's your time is gonna come up at some point.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, gentlemen. The Miami Dolphins, who
Speaker 1: were just saying, you know, this goes back to what
Speaker 1: I said the top of the show, you can't figure
Speaker 1: out football. Sometimes sometimes you can't figure it out. Because
Speaker 1: they delivered the upset of Week six. We were saying
Speaker 1: they were the worst team in football a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, but they took it to the Pittsburgh Steelers
Speaker 1: a thirty fifteen win at heart Um and the star
Speaker 1: here is Jagi, who led the charge for Miami, rushing
Speaker 1: for a career best uh two hundred and how many
Speaker 1: four yards and two touchdowns, including a game i s
Speaker 1: sixty two yard rush in the four West. Big Ben
Speaker 1: got banged up in this game and the Steelers authored
Speaker 1: their second stinker that a five week stretch. Reason for concern.
Speaker 1: I think there's a reason to concern because of of
Speaker 1: Ben's knee. You could call this a one game aberration,
Speaker 1: but I think with Ben's knee and and the fact
Speaker 1: that guys like Dave Damashek, who is a Steelers fan,
Speaker 1: we're not surprised by this because Mike Tomlin is under
Speaker 1: five hundred in his career on the road against teams
Speaker 1: with a three hundred or worse winning percentage, They the
Speaker 1: Steelers do not show up reliably on the road against
Speaker 1: awful team. Happened against the Bucks two years ago, a
Speaker 1: disastrous loss out of nowhere. They have a habit of
Speaker 1: doing this, and then they have to play well late
Speaker 1: in the season because they give away too many games
Speaker 1: like this during the season. And you know, you look
Speaker 1: up and I was tracking this game out at the
Speaker 1: side of my eye. Steelers are not moving the ball
Speaker 1: on offense until Darius Hayward Bay breaks off one of
Speaker 1: the most impressive touchdown runs of the season. Just physicality
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and then the afterburners once
Speaker 1: you get into the second level, and that was their
Speaker 1: only offense. Big Ben was not moving the ball through
Speaker 1: the air, which were used to seeing. After he was
Speaker 1: raining bombs on everyone else the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: He just didn't have a going today. I think the
Speaker 1: Dolphins dominated the line of scrimmage. Well, they said, you know,
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna get an m R I after
Speaker 1: the game, So who knows. This could be one of
Speaker 1: those injuries where it's worse. You know, he's gonna act
Speaker 1: like it's worth no matter what. I'm just saying, plays
Speaker 1: up an injury like Ben Roethlberg. Just because the guy
Speaker 1: returns to the game doesn't mean he's necessarily going to
Speaker 1: play next week. And you can't blame it all on
Speaker 1: the injury because Miami was controlling this game. Not blaming
Speaker 1: at all, No, I know, no one, no one here was.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they were. They were controlling the game
Speaker 1: before the injury. How after what we've seen from Miami
Speaker 1: to Dan's point, none of this, it seems like teams
Speaker 1: are a complete week to week operation. We all gave
Speaker 1: the Steelers a mulligan for that Eagles game. Hey, they're
Speaker 1: a great team that had a bad week, but then
Speaker 1: you lay another stinker and then you just wonder what's
Speaker 1: going on with the DNA of the table a little.
Speaker 1: They can can completely destroy multiple teams that are, but
Speaker 1: then Sandwich with two like poop balls, So you just
Speaker 1: can't trust them on the road. Well, then you know
Speaker 1: what it is, because they're not they don't seem like
Speaker 1: they're streaking towards home field advantage in the a f
Speaker 1: C when you keep this up, and so for the
Speaker 1: many time in a row where they're gonna get dropped
Speaker 1: in the in the division game and they're not gonna
Speaker 1: probably get to the e C Championship very well, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say the Steelers fans, I don't think that
Speaker 1: they've had a hard road of it, but if you're
Speaker 1: living in that world of elite teams, it feels like
Speaker 1: a broken record for this to happen. Forty one to
Speaker 1: twenty loss in New England in the divisional playoffs? Is
Speaker 1: that where we're headed on this something like that? Or
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe you lose maybe you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: lose a week seventeen game to a team with a
Speaker 1: third string quarterback because you're on the road. Well, part
Speaker 1: of that d DNA in the playoffs is that they
Speaker 1: have an important player injured. Well, that's happens two times
Speaker 1: year before that. In this game they play without Big
Speaker 1: Ben for a part of it. And then you also
Speaker 1: have their two best defensive players, Cameron Heyward and Ryan
Speaker 1: Shazier are not even in the lineup. This is kind
Speaker 1: of who the Steeler have become. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you give up two yards rushing to j J. I.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's this isn't to come on and Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown gets shut down by Byron Maxwell. I think Adam Gaze,
Speaker 1: you found the right amount of players to cut. It
Speaker 1: was seventeen or whatever it's been so far like that
Speaker 1: was that was that got the message across because they
Speaker 1: came out and they're playing well. That he benched Mario
Speaker 1: Williams for the first two drives of this game. Mario
Speaker 1: Williams did not play. Do you think that has any
Speaker 1: staying power? The fact that you have to send this
Speaker 1: message in October is a huge warning sign and it
Speaker 1: might work for one week. I think they have the
Speaker 1: talent and it sounds like Tannehill played a very good
Speaker 1: game to be a respectable team, not to be the
Speaker 1: worst team in the league. We'll have to see if
Speaker 1: they can do it for more than a week. The
Speaker 1: effort is on the road. Well, one thing about the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: like other teams did more of a house cleaning in
Speaker 1: the off season. Under new coaches, the Dolphins did not
Speaker 1: to send the same degree, and so they went into
Speaker 1: the season with the same you know, casket of players
Speaker 1: that they had last year, the flatlining operation. Um casket
Speaker 1: for lining. I like that. I think, well, come on,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy game. I have a I have
Speaker 1: as Sessler here that we saw Mary Williams last game
Speaker 1: as a Miami Dolphins. I think he's gonna be cut.
Speaker 1: Time to send another message after after send that message
Speaker 1: over match, coach makes wrong decision in big spot. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, that's probably wrong. That's that's a big
Speaker 1: underdog right there. Golden Tate lives. The forgotten wide receiver
Speaker 1: blew up on Sunday at Ford Field, going off for
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty five yards and a touchdown on
Speaker 1: eight catches in the Lions over the Rams in an
Speaker 1: entertaining game at at Ford Field. L A lost this
Speaker 1: game despite case Keenum delivering a spot on Joe Montana impersonation.
Speaker 1: Uh it really was. You'll watch this, Dave of You'll
Speaker 1: be like, WHOA is this case Keenum or is this
Speaker 1: Joe Montana. They're gonna say the same exact thing. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Rams running game continues to be abysmal. And I
Speaker 1: want to point out because West I watched this game
Speaker 1: out of the side of my eye. Also just a
Speaker 1: work task and um the play that really it accurately
Speaker 1: summarizes everything that that fails the Rams because they want
Speaker 1: to be this tough, ground and pound badass team, but
Speaker 1: they can't do it because they don't have uh the
Speaker 1: hog Molly's up front. Can you be a hog Molly
Speaker 1: on the offensive line? Yes? Okay, good? Um for fourth
Speaker 1: and goal, one yard line, four seconds to play in
Speaker 1: the half, and Jeff Fisher says, let's go for it.
Speaker 1: Are are big toughs against your big toughs. With our
Speaker 1: Lamborghini of a running back getting the ball, he is
Speaker 1: swarmed under for a two yard loss. Half ends. They
Speaker 1: end up losing the game by three points. They can't
Speaker 1: be the team that they want to be and Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley is trapped in hell. So even on a day
Speaker 1: when Case Kingdom literally plays like Joe Montana, they still
Speaker 1: can't win against the mediocre team. Well, they want to
Speaker 1: be the Cowboys. They have the same blueprint as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have, except they spent an entire draft trying to
Speaker 1: build an offensive line and flunked on almost all of
Speaker 1: those draft picks. While the Cowboys really do have the
Speaker 1: best tackle garden center in the NFL, right they there,
Speaker 1: They have Greg Robinson at left tackle, was the number
Speaker 1: two overall pick in the draft. Been basically a disaster.
Speaker 1: And then you have the entire class that they took
Speaker 1: last year, which it isn't working. When you look at
Speaker 1: the box score, Todd Gurley and Zach Center both had
Speaker 1: the exact same line today, fourteen for fifty eight. And
Speaker 1: so when Zack Center starts for the Lions, Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: starts for the Rams, and that's a draw. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna win that many games. I know they were able
Speaker 1: to score twenty eight points and be close, but you're
Speaker 1: not gonna win that many games that way. Don't take
Speaker 1: anything away from Zach Center. Greg. That was the shadow mark,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. The Kenny britt Reval. He's now on pace
Speaker 1: for eighty catches and yards with case Keenum is his quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. And and uh Tavon Austin, who is
Speaker 1: getting paid six point three billion dollars over the next
Speaker 1: five years, three for twenty four. Uh is he gonna
Speaker 1: be the first guy to sign a deal of that magnitude,
Speaker 1: be a nice guy and not be a problem and
Speaker 1: still get cut, got age and so all over the place,
Speaker 1: furious that he got that money. He's made some plays
Speaker 1: this year, not not many, but they're they're not gonna
Speaker 1: convince themselves that he's been a problem for them. They're
Speaker 1: gonna defend that up and down. We should give the
Speaker 1: Lions credit. I mean, this is a team that's had
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. They were thin to begin with,
Speaker 1: and they've held up the last couple of weeks, winning
Speaker 1: close games against the Eagles and the Rams. They're three
Speaker 1: and three. They've got reason to think, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: We're not out of this mix at all. They're getting
Speaker 1: great play out of Matthew Stafford. They get on so
Speaker 1: back this week. They've been fun to watch for weeks.
Speaker 1: So Theo Riddick, you survived that, No, Eric Ebron, you
Speaker 1: survived that. They have plenty of excuses and they haven't
Speaker 1: taken it. And then on the other side, it's almost
Speaker 1: a you know, um, the same situation. The fourth and
Speaker 1: goal for the Lions in this game, a huge play
Speaker 1: in the game and Riverboat Caldwell uh says, we're going
Speaker 1: for cardiac. Caldwell goes for it. Stafford buys time with
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald bearing down on him and delivers a beautiful
Speaker 1: throw that Andrey Roberts pulls in for the touchdown. So
Speaker 1: you know, the Lines are just a little bit of
Speaker 1: a better team than the Rams. And the Rams are
Speaker 1: three and three, But I still think this is gonna
Speaker 1: be some seven and nine bull. You know what, well,
Speaker 1: you're not far away. They've come back to the pack.
Speaker 1: Exactly when I saw this result, I kind of thought, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the Lions deserved to be three and three
Speaker 1: and the Rams deserve to be three and three. Like
Speaker 1: the luck evened out from the first month of the season,
Speaker 1: Let's move on. The Tennessee Titans are showing signs of life.
Speaker 1: Gentleman Marcus Mariotta had a second straight productive game and
Speaker 1: Richard Matthews had a career day in the Titans win
Speaker 1: over the now oh and six Cleveland Browns. Mark have
Speaker 1: the Titans solved their issues on offense? I wouldn't use
Speaker 1: this game as a some sort of acid test on
Speaker 1: that front, but they for the first time all season
Speaker 1: showed pretty juicy stuff in terms of downfield passing. Kendall
Speaker 1: Wright had what I think might be the catch of
Speaker 1: the day and it didn't happen more than once. I
Speaker 1: mean the hundred and thirty three yards off eight grabs.
Speaker 1: And they also got uh, you know, Richard Matthews involved too.
Speaker 1: That it's an element that we haven't seen. But you're
Speaker 1: going against a battered um Brown secondary that had Joe
Speaker 1: Hayden on the sideline, that lost their safety early on.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just you Greg just talked about, it's
Speaker 1: not just the player you lose, it's who behind them.
Speaker 1: In Cleveland's got a bunch of young players in the
Speaker 1: secondary with very little experience. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: to take away from this. They Browns were very focused
Speaker 1: on trying to shut down to Marco Murray and they
Speaker 1: did that to a large part, but what it seemed
Speaker 1: to do was completely free up Mariota to run at
Speaker 1: will on this defense. They got the job done the
Speaker 1: Titans and Cleveland made a furious, you know, come back
Speaker 1: at the end. But it was the second week in
Speaker 1: a row that Cleveland could not run the ball at all,
Speaker 1: and so you look at Cleveland schedule, not sure where
Speaker 1: a win is coming. This was the game that you
Speaker 1: looked at, You looked at this a month ago. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is where it was happening. The Titans three and
Speaker 1: three in in that horrid division. Um, yes you're still alive.
Speaker 1: I don't love this team, but we counted them out,
Speaker 1: you know, weeks ago and they're three and three. The
Speaker 1: prophecy four told by former Ravens head coach that escapes
Speaker 1: my mind, even though we're technically colleagues. Brian, what was
Speaker 1: the prophecy that he told? His tweet was I don't
Speaker 1: know where you find a win O the Browns? How
Speaker 1: about how about home versus the Jet No, it's a possibility.
Speaker 1: I mean sure, everything is a possible. Everything is a
Speaker 1: possibility that Dolphins just wah home against a one win team.
Speaker 1: You've been in every single game. That's I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: There isn't like, oh, that's the game where they're gonna
Speaker 1: mop up, you know, and then you know what they
Speaker 1: put themselves in this position. So I understand you want
Speaker 1: to take the Browns with a grain of salt if
Speaker 1: you're analyzing this game from the Titans perspective. But we
Speaker 1: went out last week. The Kendall Wright is by far
Speaker 1: the best re fiver, and he hadn't been healthy, and
Speaker 1: Mark has said, let's give this some time so Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota can get used to the offense and used to
Speaker 1: the new players on his team. And even if it's
Speaker 1: week opponents, the last two weeks he has played so
Speaker 1: much better and he's looked really good. And if you're
Speaker 1: gonna try to shut down to Marco Murray, Mariota is
Speaker 1: good enough to make you pay for it, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is his best game of the year. They have
Speaker 1: made some significant changes. Mariotta is running more. And then
Speaker 1: you look at the box score today. Andrew Johnson didn't
Speaker 1: have a target. That's a good thing. J Sharp didn't
Speaker 1: have a catch on three targets, and you know Sharp
Speaker 1: started out well. I think he's gonna be an important
Speaker 1: part of this team. But you're making the offense more
Speaker 1: about Kendall right now that he's healthy healthy, Richard Matthews
Speaker 1: making place. And those two weeks where Mariotta looked the
Speaker 1: worst were the weeks that Delaney Walker were out. And
Speaker 1: I know Walker didn't have a big game in this one,
Speaker 1: but he is such an important part of this team.
Speaker 1: They've had a really easy schedule and so that has
Speaker 1: helped them get at three and three. But whatever, they
Speaker 1: have an offensive line and they have a dee decent defense.
Speaker 1: One other thing, well that I would mention the defense too.
Speaker 1: They sacked Cody Kessler six times today. We talked about
Speaker 1: him on Thursday that the matchup issue here, right, The
Speaker 1: matchup issue here was Cleveland's banged up offensive line where Camervin,
Speaker 1: your first round center from last season, does not look
Speaker 1: ready for prime time on any level. And Kessler got
Speaker 1: sacked six times. He got banged around a bunch from
Speaker 1: wire to wire in this thing, and you gotta wonder
Speaker 1: how long he'll last. He played well otherwise, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, Cody Kestler has shown some things. If Jash
Speaker 1: McCown is ready next week, do you stay with Kessler
Speaker 1: the young kid? You're probably gonna have to use them
Speaker 1: both at some point. I see no reason to sit
Speaker 1: Kessler down. What is this team about. It's all about
Speaker 1: developing younger players. He's been he's been a positive for them.
Speaker 1: Been good. Yeah, I mean he hasn't. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: build your team around it, but he's been good. Before
Speaker 1: we move on Mark. I didn't see much of his game.
Speaker 1: What's Terrell Prior is just phenomenal. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's I think it speaks to the fact that it's
Speaker 1: so hard to find athletes that make a position switch
Speaker 1: in football, probably the hardest sport to do that in.
Speaker 1: And what he's done is remarkable. Nine catches, seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: But also he's just a matchup nine. One thing is
Speaker 1: you see week to week with Terrell Prior is that
Speaker 1: he's big enough and strong enough and has the hand
Speaker 1: strength to go one on one with premier cornerbacks and
Speaker 1: win matchups. I'm just so happy that your boy Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick butchered that personnel decision. It wasn't the only one,
Speaker 1: so did the other thirty. Yeah, he worked out for
Speaker 1: a bunch. He was he was on the Browns last
Speaker 1: There is a difference. He really thought the Patriots were
Speaker 1: gonna sign him and uh, the transformation get him West,
Speaker 1: all right, that's fair. The transformation with Terrell Prior, if
Speaker 1: you followed him in the off season, happened this offseason
Speaker 1: that he put the work in and he couldn't have
Speaker 1: been more serious about it. Was the first time that
Speaker 1: he had embraced the move to wide receiver. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: The Oakland Raiders came down to earth in a game
Speaker 1: that started with a downpour. Greg Alex Smith out played
Speaker 1: Derek car and the Chiefs moved to three and two
Speaker 1: of a win over the Raiders in the black hole
Speaker 1: on the road. Greg, this is a game where Kansas
Speaker 1: City's defense shined. It did, and it's good for Andy
Speaker 1: Reid and Bob Sutton and that team to see that
Speaker 1: defense starting to come around. Uh. But the thing we
Speaker 1: got to talk about first is, you know, the seventh
Speaker 1: wonder of the world, Andy Reid, after a bye week,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's real, it's really amazing, scular because
Speaker 1: they this was by far their best game of the season,
Speaker 1: by far the Raiders worst game of the season. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the first game since Jack del Rio's first
Speaker 1: game as Raiders coach where they weren't within one score
Speaker 1: at some point in the fourth quarter. It was a
Speaker 1: game that was for mutters, that was for the tougher
Speaker 1: team who was going to run the ball, and that
Speaker 1: was the Kansas City Chiefs, who really were the better team.
Speaker 1: I mean everything about them was better today to watch
Speaker 1: Charles back on the grid. He was, and yet it
Speaker 1: was interesting to see them stick with Spencer were as
Speaker 1: the primary running back. I think Charles showed something on
Speaker 1: a few plays. He had a seventeen yeard run that Look,
Speaker 1: we don't need to rush him back in No, and
Speaker 1: and where is so good right now? Why bother? You
Speaker 1: have a good one to punch They in the NFL
Speaker 1: and rushing entering this game, I don't know, well, and
Speaker 1: I don't think you can put that on Spencer where
Speaker 1: although I think he's played really well overall, he hadn't
Speaker 1: he kind of hit a slump the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks before this game got hurt. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the line they've had seven I think six different players
Speaker 1: started guard for that team. So the line has been
Speaker 1: a problem in general. Where maybe isn't a spectacular He's
Speaker 1: not gonna wow you, but he seems like a good
Speaker 1: starting NFL running back to me, all you're saying is
Speaker 1: the Jamal Charles isn't gonna make him vanish? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: sounded gonna share. They're gonna share the work. Why not?
Speaker 1: This sounded like Derek Carr's Most Suspects start of the year. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: he had his first fumble of the year, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: He made it to week six. This is the guy
Speaker 1: who's been in the top five and fumbles to three
Speaker 1: years and so that's that's to his credit. He lost
Speaker 1: that he threw an interception. He's very lucky that he
Speaker 1: didn't throw another. You know, when you watch the game
Speaker 1: pass I think car has gotten away with a lot
Speaker 1: of throws where defenders dropped passes this year. That's just
Speaker 1: this is how it is. In this game. He wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, quite as lucky. The Chiefs had a good
Speaker 1: game plan for him. They the Chiefs have owned the
Speaker 1: Raiders for whatever reason. How about the idea of the Raiders,
Speaker 1: you know, learning this week that they weren't going to
Speaker 1: be the team around the NFL. I thought about that
Speaker 1: knock them there as a little bit. I think there
Speaker 1: may be a larger factor at work when you've got
Speaker 1: a building filled with hundreds of people that live in
Speaker 1: the Bay Area and make their life there and have
Speaker 1: their families there and their kids there, and you're finding
Speaker 1: out that you may be moving to Las Vegas, which
Speaker 1: is not a place a lot of people would move to. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, by choice necessarily uh, and I and I
Speaker 1: think better. Okay, probably a team of at L had
Speaker 1: a larger impact, but I when you I look at
Speaker 1: they have the Jaguars and Bucks next, so that the
Speaker 1: Raiders are probably gonna get right here. But if that
Speaker 1: continues to be a reality, that that becomes the way
Speaker 1: it is. Lots of weird things happened to this. I
Speaker 1: always talk about the Browns and I apologize, but they
Speaker 1: were three and one and it considered a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: contender when they announced the move to Baltimore and the
Speaker 1: team ended up five and eleven. It was an absolute
Speaker 1: train wreck, like things can go south when you find
Speaker 1: this stuff out until Rio is a Bay Area guy
Speaker 1: who wants to well, well, I mean, I guess it is.
Speaker 1: How different is it? I'm saying Cleveland was an entrenched
Speaker 1: franchise that the Raiders have been a little transient and
Speaker 1: in general, and this has been stuff that's been floated around.
Speaker 1: Well but yeah, but the Raiders moving to Las Vegas
Speaker 1: is as close as you can come to like Madden
Speaker 1: level science fiction that we can you can dream out
Speaker 1: the Raiders belong in California to Vegas. That goes for
Speaker 1: all aspects of life. It's moving forward. It's moving forward,
Speaker 1: it sounds like, but Mark Davis did say they're gonna
Speaker 1: be there two more years. One last thing. This division
Speaker 1: could have been very separated and with the Raiders and
Speaker 1: the Broncos, you know, kind of running away with it
Speaker 1: a little bit of a condensing. This week, Chargers take
Speaker 1: out the Foreign one, Broncos Chiefs take out the fourign
Speaker 1: one Raiders. It's a good division. Trying to talk the
Speaker 1: Chargers back into the race. The Chargers, you're in it.
Speaker 1: They've they've outscored opponents this year, the Raiders haven't. I
Speaker 1: just like, how what you love the Chargers? It's nice? Uh?
Speaker 1: Do we have to talk about the Jaguars embarrassed? I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, out of respect for the listeners and the
Speaker 1: people on periscope that are fans of these teams. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like I always say, when the Jets stunk
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I always love that inside
Speaker 1: the NFL with Len Dawson and Nick Bona Connie, they
Speaker 1: would always give all the teams equal play. And I
Speaker 1: really and that's what we're gonna do here. That's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Be people. We're gonna do it for
Speaker 1: those fans for this was a couple of minutes from
Speaker 1: don't lie about where the beach houses, just be honest,
Speaker 1: trying to Greg, attempting to, you know, talk right over
Speaker 1: that lady who had a very important note to drop
Speaker 1: about her beach house which wasn't quite on the beach.
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles led the Jaguars back from the dead on Sunday,
Speaker 1: wiping the sixteen point fourth quarter deficit in a seventeen
Speaker 1: sixteen win at Soldier Field. The hero was a really
Speaker 1: a Span who's fifty one yard touchdown reception gave Jacksonville
Speaker 1: its first lead of the game. Boardles needed to win
Speaker 1: like this, Dennity, Greg, this is a win that a
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles needed. That's what we thought about the last one.
Speaker 1: And then they came and stunk up. But I mean
Speaker 1: down late and having to leave the team back. I
Speaker 1: know it's good for I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think there's reasons for them to have hope. If
Speaker 1: nothing else, they could be tied in the lost column
Speaker 1: in the division coming out of this game. They needed
Speaker 1: something to hang their hat around. Their defense has been better.
Speaker 1: At least the defense gave them a chance to win this.
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd hear that the hero of the
Speaker 1: game was a really a spin Your two thousand sixteen
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, ladies and gentlemen, also your two thousand sixteen
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears upset after the game was alshon Jeffrey, who
Speaker 1: had uh six catches for ninety yards in the first
Speaker 1: half and then finished with seven three. I didn't catch this,
Speaker 1: but I heard that he was pretty charged up about
Speaker 1: the bears lack of explosion explosiveness on offense. Mark you
Speaker 1: caught that right, Yeah, I did, And I think he's
Speaker 1: got an absolute point. I mean, we've talked about the Bears. Yes,
Speaker 1: Hoyer is an uptick over Jay Cutler. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what that means in the large scope of our earth,
Speaker 1: but give me a break. The Bears are an identity
Speaker 1: free offense outside the fact that I like their running back.
Speaker 1: They've got they Finally, it's weird because in the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks these players that if you're self scouting,
Speaker 1: we're not even playing before. Now you've got Jay Howard
Speaker 1: on your in your backfield leading the way and Camrath
Speaker 1: Meredith Levin catches a hunting d thirteen yards after blowing
Speaker 1: up last week. Now, maybe that's just what's happening in
Speaker 1: an offense that has nothing else going on, but it's
Speaker 1: an unpredictable cast of characters in week six year Ashan
Speaker 1: Jeffrey is the Bears franchise player and he entered this
Speaker 1: game with fewer targets on the season than Eddie Royal
Speaker 1: and Zach Miller. Wow, which is damning. And if you're
Speaker 1: in a contract here, you're damn right here. That's probably
Speaker 1: a lot of the angers coming from which takes us
Speaker 1: to Sunday night night, in front of Al, Chris and
Speaker 1: the world, the Houston Texans wiped out a fourteen point
Speaker 1: deficit with less than five minutes to play in regulation,
Speaker 1: and then after forcing a punt on defense in the
Speaker 1: overtime period, got a field goal from Nick Novak, who
Speaker 1: a toned for an earlier p a t miss in
Speaker 1: the game. Uh. The clinching field goal wins the game
Speaker 1: twenty six to twenty three over the Colts at Reliance Stadium. Guys,
Speaker 1: a game, Mark that and you were struggling Mark when
Speaker 1: this game went to o T If you want to
Speaker 1: check out Chris Westling's Twitter feed, you get the exact
Speaker 1: moment that that that we knew that the Texans were
Speaker 1: gonna force overtime. Mark in a dark place, Mark your
Speaker 1: thoughts about this game and this collapsed by the Colts. Well,
Speaker 1: it's all right there, said, I will start speaking and
Speaker 1: you will not play that again. Um. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. This is such a suppressing, ghastly loss
Speaker 1: for the Cults, and I think it's fair. We're seeing
Speaker 1: from some of their beat writers that cover the team
Speaker 1: for a long time saying that it is the worst
Speaker 1: loss of the Pagano era, and that is including all
Speaker 1: the losses to New England. And it feels a little
Speaker 1: bit heavy handed for a week six game considering the Cults.
Speaker 1: I mean, does anyone have much faith in this team?
Speaker 1: But this is an epic collapse. I laughed at Greg
Speaker 1: when he said that they could cut that the Texans
Speaker 1: had a chance to win this thing with five or
Speaker 1: six minutes left, and Greg was turned into a complete profit.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Texans have all sorts of garbage
Speaker 1: issues too, So I don't know who comes out of
Speaker 1: here smiling. These teams are both headed nowhere. Well, the
Speaker 1: Texans come out smiling. They played they played terrible. They
Speaker 1: were totally dominated for fifty five minutes, and they get
Speaker 1: to be in first place at four and two. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're a good team, but it's a stirring
Speaker 1: victory for them. Most of their fans left the game
Speaker 1: the odds and them winning when it's twenty three to nine. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they haven't what They had one touchdown in the
Speaker 1: second half, They had three points and six drives in
Speaker 1: the first after quarterback was playing awful. For them to
Speaker 1: go touchdown touchdown field goal to win it, I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I don't think they're gonna be a great team,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be pretty excited. There's no Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: What was that that was? I mean, brock Osweller is
Speaker 1: gonna have some great body body language after this one.
Speaker 1: That was Greg's brock Osweller impression on Thursday, isolated Audio West.
Speaker 1: Neither of these teams are going to be playing deep
Speaker 1: into January. Uh. To Mark's point, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: can heads roll in Indianapolis off a loss like this
Speaker 1: because it doesn't get much worse. First of all, nobody
Speaker 1: smile in Houston when brockos wires the quarterback. So I
Speaker 1: would say, let's not overreact to the Colts blowing this
Speaker 1: game and out to win the game. Though that's just
Speaker 1: should have never been there because he played so poorly
Speaker 1: to put his him in that position. The coaching to
Speaker 1: have Andrew Luck roll out in a must run situation
Speaker 1: where you're trying to kill the clock. I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: How could you bungle that lead at that point in
Speaker 1: the game. And then we make excuses for Andrew Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck because he's a superstar talent and he's surrounded by
Speaker 1: garbage by the end of this. By the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: he's without Philip doors Set, he's without Dante Moncreep, he's
Speaker 1: out without Duyne Allen. So he's throwing to guys like
Speaker 1: Jack Doyle, Chester Rogers, Chester Rogers. But he misses the
Speaker 1: throw to t Y Hilton that he has to make
Speaker 1: if we're gonna him, if we're gonna consider him a
Speaker 1: superstar upper to your quarterback. He's got to make that throw.
Speaker 1: And this is after the game tying touchdown late in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. The Colts have a chance to move
Speaker 1: down the field with two timeouts. That gets around midfield,
Speaker 1: second and nine, and he has t Y Hilton all
Speaker 1: alone down the right sideline would be probably about a
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighteen yard game. He gets out of bounds
Speaker 1: during business on the fringe of field goal range with
Speaker 1: Mr Automatic out of Vinitarry and Luck can't make the throw.
Speaker 1: He he short arms it and it's trapped on the
Speaker 1: ground and they never get closer and they never got
Speaker 1: a better chance than that to win the game. Well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't move the ball in overtime, has a really
Speaker 1: bad interception going into halftime where they had points on
Speaker 1: the board, gave up points there. And it's in a
Speaker 1: game against the team that you can't just give points
Speaker 1: to because you you had this Texans team down and out.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of bad throws. They settled for
Speaker 1: a field goal to go up twenty three to nine
Speaker 1: when they could have scored a touchdown in that scenario.
Speaker 1: So a loss like this, everyone's gonna get the blame.
Speaker 1: But and on the Texans side, I see a team
Speaker 1: down the stretch that you know, to Chris's point, they
Speaker 1: don't trust their quarterback. Big night for Lamar Miller, and
Speaker 1: it might be more big afternoons for Lamar Miller. Because
Speaker 1: but that that said, you have to you have to
Speaker 1: be able to throw the ball to get out of
Speaker 1: these games. And you know, yes, brock Ostwelder had a
Speaker 1: couple of nice tosses at the end. But what a
Speaker 1: disastrous season so far for brock Ostwalder and the amount
Speaker 1: of money you put into it. That's a whole front
Speaker 1: office and staff that needs to be questioned. Well again, though,
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the game to me to go off
Speaker 1: on the brock Oswylder tangent, because this could be a
Speaker 1: game he builds off. I mean that was that was
Speaker 1: a big time throw to tie the game where he's
Speaker 1: stuck in between the quarterback and the safety um and
Speaker 1: we don't think he's a stud, but that is a
Speaker 1: game he could build off. I think the Texans have
Speaker 1: to be extremely thrilled that he played such a key
Speaker 1: role in that comeback because they needed him to do
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't get and I don't get
Speaker 1: that sense at all. I think little credit for that.
Speaker 1: This is the danger you get in when you see
Speaker 1: guys like Zach Mettenberger and make a thrower two and
Speaker 1: you you start to say this guy is good. They
Speaker 1: can build around him. No, he's the same kind of
Speaker 1: quarterback as Zach Mettenberger. He's got a long delivery, he's
Speaker 1: got fundamental flaws, and they go two and three quarters
Speaker 1: at a time without moving the offense, and that isn't
Speaker 1: something to build upon the problem. And then you have
Speaker 1: the battle of Frank Gore, who you may have heard
Speaker 1: the Colts hadn't had a one hundred yard rusher for
Speaker 1: three and a half years, which covered fifty uh five games,
Speaker 1: and it was the new The Chiefs don't have a
Speaker 1: touchdown from a wide receiver stat de jure, and it
Speaker 1: got wiped out. And this was almost a fitting way
Speaker 1: for a subplot of this game, a representation of the
Speaker 1: entire game. On his twentieth carry, he hits the one
Speaker 1: hundred yard marker twenty for a hundred, and then in
Speaker 1: slow motion you see the way things are setting up
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter where Frank's gonna get the
Speaker 1: ball with nine men in the box and he gets
Speaker 1: stuff for a one yard loss down to so he
Speaker 1: loses it. The Cults even sent down a tweet congratulating
Speaker 1: him for the one hundred yard rushing performance he gets
Speaker 1: in an overtime though so but I thought that was
Speaker 1: a fitting like slop show for this type of game,
Speaker 1: because you win the game if he doesn't break the
Speaker 1: hundred and now they get a hollow meaningless numbers, which
Speaker 1: this Colts team has been all of that last points.
Speaker 1: Go get my lunch some let's all guests win. Chuck
Speaker 1: Pecan though and Ryan Griggson are showing the door in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: both of them, or they're let's not. How go go
Speaker 1: my lunch works? You gotta throw something out. No, that
Speaker 1: is how it goes. Just like what I'm gonna I'll
Speaker 1: go with Black Monday. I think they'll last season, but
Speaker 1: I think it's over. I would tend to agree with
Speaker 1: you because this division is so uh milk toasts, so bland,
Speaker 1: so when will buy any of them? Right? And and
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean because there's twelve teams that make the
Speaker 1: playoffs that um, twelve teams are deserving other playoffs. We
Speaker 1: need playoff realignment number one versus one of these a
Speaker 1: f C South teams squeaking in to get waxed in January.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna get it, all right. I think you
Speaker 1: nailed it, Black Monday. Um, all right, that's it for
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Speaker 1: So the wheel keeps spinning, Let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: Guess all right, Mark, you get to go home. Then
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