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Speaker 1: recap between the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Carolina Panthers
Speaker 1: will hit some news. There's a fair bit of news
Speaker 1: to get to. UM, we will listen. I can't say
Speaker 1: for sure, but I think today is the day we
Speaker 1: have our final decision, uh for a team of a
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Speaker 1: picking a team or not picking a team today. It
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Speaker 1: oh things of you know, degenerated into farce a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna be entirely organic today.
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Speaker 1: a vote. Absolutely. We want to get it right, and
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Speaker 1: don't pick a team, then one of us will be
Speaker 1: ritually sacrificed. Probably the person that said that just said
Speaker 1: then and then finally, Yes, we'll hit up the Thursday
Speaker 1: night preview. Is we peek ahead to week six? Uh?
Speaker 1: An interesting a f C West matchup between the Denver
Speaker 1: Broncos and San Diego Charger. So a lot to get to,
Speaker 1: very exciting West. Uh. In our state of the Union
Speaker 1: address what do they call it? To the town hall
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Speaker 1: allow us to talk about what was said in said
Speaker 1: town hall. But I will say that the security dude said,
Speaker 1: effective immediately, Uh, you can no longer attach your security
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Speaker 1: look like a dorcas thoughts. There were there were people
Speaker 1: downstairs already like wagering on who would be the first
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Speaker 1: they'll never know that. People lost some money on that one.
Speaker 1: That might be the next next round of wind wests
Speaker 1: Toaster might include that question the first one to where
Speaker 1: the lanyard inappropriately, which, by the way, is a very
Speaker 1: college freshman move to walk around campus with the lanyard
Speaker 1: around the neck. It is, and now we're all gonna
Speaker 1: have to do that unless we rebel Greg. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just don't even see what happens. Come at me security,
Speaker 1: all right, Like, let's talk some Monday night football. Yes,
Speaker 1: In Charlotte, North Carolina, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers traveled uh
Speaker 1: for a road him against the defending uh NFC champions,
Speaker 1: a game that you would think the Panthers desperately needed,
Speaker 1: a battle between two one in three teams, But this
Speaker 1: is football, guys, and you never know what can happen.
Speaker 1: Because without Cam Newton, who was still sidelined with this
Speaker 1: concussion situation, the Panthers were unable to really get the
Speaker 1: offense moving until the second hot half, and after Derek
Speaker 1: Anderson threw a costly, costly first in goal um interception
Speaker 1: on a play action pass, the Buccaneers got the ball
Speaker 1: at the end of the fourth quarter, marched down the
Speaker 1: field and onto the field trot trotted Robert guy Guyo,
Speaker 1: a young man, a second round pick who had already
Speaker 1: missed three kicks and with maybe his job on the line,
Speaker 1: and Jason Jason licked the GM light down, chopping down
Speaker 1: on the fingernails, attempted a thirty eight yard field goal
Speaker 1: with a chance to win the game, and it sounded
Speaker 1: like this a thirty eight yard field goal of chemps
Speaker 1: for Roberto Aguayo, rookie out of Florida State. Can he
Speaker 1: put her through the uprights? The Paula snap a good one.
Speaker 1: The spot found the kickers airborne. It is airborne. It's
Speaker 1: long enough. It is good. Have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: You have the feet of the Carolina Panthers. In Charlotte,
Speaker 1: North Carolina seventeen to fourteen, Roberto Aguayo atones for two
Speaker 1: miss field goals knocked off the defending They were a
Speaker 1: couple of issues to deal with there, and we just
Speaker 1: wanted to allow you to get through it. That was
Speaker 1: Gene decker Off, by the way, sounds like a Gene
Speaker 1: decker Off. I wish we had. Sean McDonagh had a
Speaker 1: great call on Monday and a football getting after him,
Speaker 1: but he was terrific on I was excited about w
Speaker 1: D a E in Tampa with the call um Aguayo.
Speaker 1: Roberto Aguayo, who had been three of seven on the
Speaker 1: season before, makes that kick time expires set up. By
Speaker 1: the way, I think a little nod from the football
Speaker 1: gods towards Aguaya, who's going through a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: right now. Um the face mask penalty that made a
Speaker 1: long field goal in that spot, a very makeable field
Speaker 1: goal thirty eight plus fifteen. Somebody can help me out
Speaker 1: with that killer flag three yard or um. But the
Speaker 1: Bucks win West and a game the Panthers absolutely could
Speaker 1: not lose. They do. What's next for Carolina? Well, I
Speaker 1: think the Panthers, I think you can. Greg said this
Speaker 1: last night. Come December, they're gonna wish they had this
Speaker 1: game because they're gonna need it. And they shot themselves
Speaker 1: in the foot so many different ways. Derrick Anderson moved
Speaker 1: the ball. Greg Olsen was wide open running through the
Speaker 1: secondary all game. It wasn't like they struggled for offense.
Speaker 1: They just struggled to hold onto the ball. Derrick Anderson
Speaker 1: got caught going for the uh the rushing third down conversion,
Speaker 1: fumbled it in the next The next drive, they eighty
Speaker 1: one yard drive ends at the one yard line when
Speaker 1: he throws an interception on first down, giving you flashbacks
Speaker 1: maybe Mark two, Derek, that's Derrick Anderson. Everyone always like,
Speaker 1: we talked about Derek Anderson one of the best backups
Speaker 1: in league, but we saw why he's a Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: I was. I was sitting in at my at my
Speaker 1: laptop was just about to tweet out, Listen, the Browns
Speaker 1: should have just kept Derek Anderson from two thousand and
Speaker 1: ten until now. It would have been just as good anything.
Speaker 1: And I was just about to click send. Four seconds later,
Speaker 1: interception happens, Delete tweet, And I thought that was one
Speaker 1: of the worst play calls of the year. And I
Speaker 1: know you could say, well, the play call wasn't bad,
Speaker 1: but no, you gotta know your personnel. Derrick Anderson is
Speaker 1: is not a good quarterback. He's a fill in for
Speaker 1: your m v P. And you just ripped off three
Speaker 1: straight runs of plus ten yards and you give the
Speaker 1: ball again to your back, you get in the end zone,
Speaker 1: you let him run it three times in a row
Speaker 1: if you have to get in from one yard out,
Speaker 1: putting the ball Derrick Anderson's hands. There was asking for disaster,
Speaker 1: not even the worst play call in this game, which
Speaker 1: one was that dark cutter calling for a run to
Speaker 1: set up a long Roberto Aguayo field goal on the
Speaker 1: missed field goal the drive before the game win. The
Speaker 1: coaching in this game was driving me crazy. I I
Speaker 1: wanted to write right after the game, but it seemed
Speaker 1: to mean spirited Dirk Cutter is gonna be the first
Speaker 1: ever head coach to get fired after a win because
Speaker 1: that was one of the worst coaching jobs I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera and Cutter went back and forth trying to
Speaker 1: outBut like blow this game. Cutter wanted no part of
Speaker 1: that field goal drive. By the way, the only reason
Speaker 1: that they scored is because Ron Rivera kept taking time
Speaker 1: outs and forced them to not just run out the
Speaker 1: play clock. He had no faith whatsoever in Jamis Winston,
Speaker 1: who did not have a good game, but oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, had a couple of great third down throws
Speaker 1: on that drive to win the game. Ron Rivera's time
Speaker 1: out was was totally insane. And the the fact that
Speaker 1: right after they ran the ball to set up that
Speaker 1: long and guile that didn't fail. He did the same
Speaker 1: thing again with forty seconds left and time out. He
Speaker 1: had plenty of time to move it down the field
Speaker 1: and they were ready to just set it up for
Speaker 1: another fifty three yard or by Aguaya. It was wild.
Speaker 1: Cutter has done this week after week. He has been
Speaker 1: one of the worst coaches in terms of late game
Speaker 1: management in the league. This was this was a throwback
Speaker 1: game to like the nineteen seventies, before kickers were reliable.
Speaker 1: You don't see games in the NFL now we're a
Speaker 1: fifty kicker causes coaches to do things differently, or one
Speaker 1: coach is worried about his kicker and quarterback, the other
Speaker 1: one is worried about his quarterback but has a bizarre
Speaker 1: faith in his defense. I don't know why Riverboat Ron
Speaker 1: thought he had last year's defense. Took it on third
Speaker 1: and four. That's not that tough of a down that
Speaker 1: they were going to overtime before he took that time out.
Speaker 1: Watching Roberto a Guio kick is Roberto Aguayo kick is
Speaker 1: kind of like when you're stuck in a large conference
Speaker 1: or maybe if you if you it's a church on Sunday,
Speaker 1: or it's some speaker where the speaker is struggling and
Speaker 1: you are just waiting and hoping that they don't continue
Speaker 1: to fumble over their words and have a disastrous time.
Speaker 1: As they're starting to sweat more and more, you're cringing.
Speaker 1: You're you're rooting for him and not root against him,
Speaker 1: and it's just you know where he was drafted. It's
Speaker 1: set up this anti drama in this horrible situation form
Speaker 1: early in the year. You're right West. You don't see
Speaker 1: other kickers struggle like this and last on a team.
Speaker 1: What do you do. I mean, let's say his struggles continue,
Speaker 1: do you cut the second round pick? I think you
Speaker 1: have to keep him on the roster and do you
Speaker 1: find another kicker and then you make your special team's
Speaker 1: weaker or whatever you weaken a roster spot for a
Speaker 1: little while. I mean, he was like one of college's
Speaker 1: most accurate kickers. It's not that he it's not that
Speaker 1: he can't. It's just that I think it's it's got
Speaker 1: to be mental and you've got to see it through.
Speaker 1: And there's a lesson here because who thinks that he'd
Speaker 1: be doin this if he was a sixth round kicker, No,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be happening. There's a lesson here. Jason like
Speaker 1: when he drafted him, said, I like the way this
Speaker 1: kid is wired. You can't predict how how a kicker
Speaker 1: is going to handle this. Where did the Panthers go
Speaker 1: from here? Now we got hir schedule their next three
Speaker 1: games and their seasons on the line. In the next
Speaker 1: four weeks they have at New Orleans again him You
Speaker 1: would expect Cam Newton to be back for but you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know for sure. Uh. Then they have Thereby
Speaker 1: and then they have a matchup at home against Arizona
Speaker 1: and then at l a UM so not a cake
Speaker 1: cake walk, and then you have Casey in New Orleans
Speaker 1: after that. But they need It's not too bad. They
Speaker 1: need to They need to find a win, a way
Speaker 1: to win two of these next three games at the
Speaker 1: bare minimum. Kiss your season goodbye if you don't do
Speaker 1: that well this this game showed it's not just about
Speaker 1: the secondary and it's not just about missing Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: because the Bucks are a broken team, missing their top
Speaker 1: two running backs, including the key to their offense, Doug Martin,
Speaker 1: missing four of their best five defensive linemen, and they
Speaker 1: weren't that good before missing all those players. So it's
Speaker 1: not about Cam Newton missing this game. To Quiz, Rodgers
Speaker 1: ran all over them in the first half. They set
Speaker 1: the tempo. The Panthers defense from a year ago would
Speaker 1: have never let that happen. It's it's another reminder that
Speaker 1: that we were destroying Connor or, our co writer last
Speaker 1: week for his power poll where he buried the Panthers.
Speaker 1: It is our group power poll that is beginning to
Speaker 1: look rather foolish. I thought, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: destroyed Connor, we were more just in awe of him.
Speaker 1: I like to hype it up and make it sound
Speaker 1: likens his longtime anti Panthers belief is really coming home
Speaker 1: to Ruth right. Well, but you know if he did
Speaker 1: pick against them incorrectly fifteen times last year, so eventually
Speaker 1: he was gonna be right. It's finally coming home, uh
Speaker 1: for the old or man. They've get him it as
Speaker 1: one of the best gms in the league, but he's
Speaker 1: put all of his resources into the defensive line. Hog
Speaker 1: Molly's and Blue Goose pass rushers that he loves, and
Speaker 1: their leading socker is a benched safety named Trey Boston
Speaker 1: has two sex issues, kwan short and not playing. Well. Wow, uh,
Speaker 1: that's it for the Monday at Football Talk. Let's do
Speaker 1: some news. You doubt the powers of the Great. That's
Speaker 1: a reference to a cartoon from West and Marks Youth.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. It's uh owns from
Speaker 1: the sixties, but we saw it on reruns. Nice attempt
Speaker 1: at ages. Hum. Oh yeah, well Mark is one year older.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday. I mean I barely observed it. Tell us
Speaker 1: what happened on your birthday? Hung out with the kids
Speaker 1: and the wife, had a nice time, but very low
Speaker 1: key and not observing not observing it. And you have
Speaker 1: a couple of glasses. I don't need. I don't need
Speaker 1: a birthday for that. But I mean, no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a we call it a low key evening
Speaker 1: around the homestead fireplace. You said you were enjoying. How
Speaker 1: ugly and bizarre this Monday night game. This was the
Speaker 1: first good so bad, it's good game of the year.
Speaker 1: It was fun watch the end of it. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it was a hideous affair. Uh. Let's do some news.
Speaker 1: We'll start with the San Francisco forty nine is one
Speaker 1: of the very worst teams in the NFL. Uh. They've
Speaker 1: finally decided to make a change at quarterback. Amidst a
Speaker 1: four game losing streak with black Blaine Gabbert starting Chip Kelly,
Speaker 1: he announced that Colin Kaepernick will be the team's starter
Speaker 1: in week five. Kelly announces announces on Tuesday. Uh. Kaepernick
Speaker 1: said quote, I'm excited and ready to go. Blaine Gabbert,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, not happy his quote it sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Greg He doesn't like it, but
Speaker 1: he can't be surprised. Kenny, he probably is surprised because
Speaker 1: he believes that he's better than Kaepernick. All reports have
Speaker 1: indicated that he's outplayed him in practice. And you don't
Speaker 1: get to where you are being Blaine Gabbert unless you
Speaker 1: have a lot of belief in yourself. But if you
Speaker 1: know he looks at the cold hard facts in terms
Speaker 1: of his yards per tempt five five point nine and
Speaker 1: how many open receivers, you just gotta give it another shot.
Speaker 1: At least we've seen Colin Kaepernick do something at the
Speaker 1: NFL level. We're all we've we've seen enough of Blaine Gabbert.
Speaker 1: We're fed up with him, and in a month will
Speaker 1: feel the exact same way about Colin Kaepernick. I don't
Speaker 1: know why anybody is acting like this was a move
Speaker 1: that was so common sense that Chip Kelly said done
Speaker 1: in a month ago. Gabert. He lost his job to
Speaker 1: Gabbert last year around this time, a guy with a
Speaker 1: five and twenty two record. He lost his job to
Speaker 1: that guy. Then he lost his job to him this
Speaker 1: summer again. There's no reason to believe that Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: is some savior here. He was around in the summer.
Speaker 1: Here here's the reasoning why. If you want a reason why,
Speaker 1: he obviously wasn't physically right last year, that's three surgeries
Speaker 1: in the off season speaks to that. But then that
Speaker 1: opens up a whole other But about all of his
Speaker 1: mental problems playing last year when he didn't see open receivers.
Speaker 1: There was a one play at the goal line where
Speaker 1: the guy's wide opening. He never even season. That has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with his physical but perhaps the surgeries
Speaker 1: coupled with a new perspective. I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: have to lose? I I thought the blame Gabbett. Maybe
Speaker 1: he earned the job to start the season, but he
Speaker 1: was always blame Gabbett one of the most notorious draft
Speaker 1: bus ever in the last twenty years ranked PFF quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he deserves it because a lot more any most
Speaker 1: of his bigger plays outside of outside of getting up
Speaker 1: fourteen nothing on the Cowboys a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: where he made a couple of nice passes, Gabbert does
Speaker 1: fundamentally incorrect things on on short screen passes and and
Speaker 1: throws two running backs. Absolutely, I agree with Kaeperney, but
Speaker 1: I think the Gabbert effectively worked himself out of the job,
Speaker 1: and this is bad teams when you're floating and you're
Speaker 1: trying to do anything to kind of shift the tide.
Speaker 1: That's so the quarterback switch happens. I don't think Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly is gonna sit around and tell everyone that Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick is the guy from two thousand and twelve. Anyone
Speaker 1: that's watching. Yeah, he said he's not the same guy.
Speaker 1: But here here's why I think there is just a
Speaker 1: tiny bit of hope. We haven't seen him with Chip Kelly.
Speaker 1: We saw him with Jeep Chris and Jim Tomsula. And
Speaker 1: there's no talent around, you know, Kaepernick or any forty
Speaker 1: Niners quarterback, So it's gonna be hard. But I'd like
Speaker 1: to see him with Chip Kelly. To me, that's a
Speaker 1: different equation than it is with Jeep Chris. And I
Speaker 1: know it was just the preseason, but he had that
Speaker 1: one game that he had after he first made a
Speaker 1: statement he was you said he was there in the summer,
Speaker 1: but he didn't practice fully at but he missed a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks in the preseason two within he that
Speaker 1: But that's one of the reasons that Gabbert absolutely dug
Speaker 1: in and got this job earlier. Is because he was
Speaker 1: with his teammates through all of O, T, A S
Speaker 1: and everything else. And I was not able for half
Speaker 1: a training camp, but I I was. One thing is
Speaker 1: I think the next thing is that this doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It's not just hey, let's see him in chip Kelly's offense.
Speaker 1: I think Chip Kelly's offense is not the spectacle it
Speaker 1: was when it was unknown a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: It has been figured out by defenses and that's not
Speaker 1: a huge advantage for Kaepernick. Let's move on, guys to
Speaker 1: another team dealing with some offensive issues. The Baltimore Ravens,
Speaker 1: who after a sixteen ten lost to the Redskins on Sunday,
Speaker 1: made the decision to part ways with their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Mark Tressman has lost his job. The former Bears head
Speaker 1: coach and now the former Ravens defensive coordinator. Let go
Speaker 1: Marty morning wig um Ah, a lifer as an assistant coach,
Speaker 1: takes over um what would be known as a battlefield promotion.
Speaker 1: Morning Way, I don't see do you want us to
Speaker 1: really annoyingly say that Morning Way? Oh? I go with
Speaker 1: Wegg It's way, Well, he doesn't I believe it's it's silent,
Speaker 1: and you've never heard it pronounced more crazy. I've always
Speaker 1: heard it with the G. Now I really wish we
Speaker 1: didn't go down this path we go in the show.
Speaker 1: Chris Wesling, you were especially critical of Trustman's play calling
Speaker 1: in our Sunday show. Proof that I will listen to
Speaker 1: it your thoughts on this dismissal. Rarely do you see
Speaker 1: a one game play calling performance worthy of a dismissal.
Speaker 1: This is the exception. Let's go over some factors from
Speaker 1: this game. Fifty dropbacks for Joe Flacko versus eighteen handoffs
Speaker 1: for the Ravens. The redskin were ranked thirty second against
Speaker 1: the run, Terence West averaging six point five yards per
Speaker 1: carry since he was promoted to the starting lineup. The
Speaker 1: Ravens never trailed by more than six points in this game.
Speaker 1: Washington ranks thirteenth against short passes, thirty feet against deep passes.
Speaker 1: Nine players caught a pass for the Ravens in that game.
Speaker 1: Not one average more than ten yards per catch, which
Speaker 1: is almost unprecedented. Not a single receiver average more than
Speaker 1: ten yards per catch. That's the coup de graw. You
Speaker 1: can't even get ten yards in a game against the
Speaker 1: bad defense. So that game alone, and then the fact
Speaker 1: that Joe Flacco two years ago averaged nine and a
Speaker 1: half yards poor throw average depth of target, it's two
Speaker 1: yards fewer under Mark Tressman. That's not Joe Flacco strength.
Speaker 1: It's not Mike Wallace's strength. It's not Preshot Paraman strength,
Speaker 1: it's not the running game strength. He's doing exactly opposite
Speaker 1: of what the personnel sredicting. How about throw in the
Speaker 1: fact that talk about self scouting, you know you've been
Speaker 1: talking up West. West has looked like the best running
Speaker 1: back for Baltimore for weeks and weeks and they had
Speaker 1: him behind someone that they just released. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: hasn't been just like a one game trend. He has
Speaker 1: completed the fewest passes that traveled over twenty yards of
Speaker 1: any quarterback that's played every game this year, He's he's
Speaker 1: hit five all year. So that's one a game. You
Speaker 1: look at the yards per attempt in the dinkin dunks
Speaker 1: that the week before he threw fifty passes and didn't
Speaker 1: have metch the yardage. And so it was a strange mix,
Speaker 1: I guess, and we we talked about it a little
Speaker 1: bit too. I think Mark Tressman has that reputation a
Speaker 1: bit as a professorial type that maybe that's not going
Speaker 1: to resonate with every player. That's not necessarily fair. He
Speaker 1: was put into this position. He is who he is.
Speaker 1: But Harba is not afraid to fire people. He's shown
Speaker 1: that guys like Josh McDaniels and Bill Belichick for adjusting
Speaker 1: to their player's strength. Yeah, and we we don't cite
Speaker 1: examples of the opposite. This is it. He tried to
Speaker 1: turn and Joe Flacco into a guy who makes short,
Speaker 1: short window throws, you know, ten yards with an a
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He's a gun slinger attacks down the
Speaker 1: field off of play action, and that's what they should
Speaker 1: be doing. Last time the Ravens fired their offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: they went to the Super Bowl and they won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That was Cam Cameron. Back in December twelve,
Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell was the O C and he ended up
Speaker 1: getting a head coaching job eventually. UM, I don't think
Speaker 1: Marty Morton way and I think it is Wegg take
Speaker 1: it all back. I gotta keep it in to get in.
Speaker 1: Marty Hopts have a similar run all the way to
Speaker 1: February and football. We'll see how it plays out plays out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Ravens, here's a former Raven justin Forcett,
Speaker 1: who rushed for twelve yards for John Harbaugh a couple
Speaker 1: of years back. Was released last week after kind of
Speaker 1: falling out of favor in their in their offensive scheme.
Speaker 1: He has landed with the Detroit Lions, a team that
Speaker 1: certainly can use some help rookie Dwayne Washington, how having
Speaker 1: some ankle issues. Theoretic really isn't that type of guy.
Speaker 1: And of course a Mira Abdula, we might be we
Speaker 1: might have seen the last of him. He suffered a
Speaker 1: foot injury a couple of weeks ago. Mark Good signing
Speaker 1: for detroitter won't make a ripper. I think they absolutely
Speaker 1: just need someone in that backfield to start to take charge.
Speaker 1: And it's the last couple of games when they've not
Speaker 1: had a duel in there. They're averaging about sixty five
Speaker 1: yards per game on the ground, and I feel like
Speaker 1: Detroit for years and years post Barry Sanders has been
Speaker 1: one of these teams that just has struggled to find
Speaker 1: a running back that you can count on for a
Speaker 1: year after year it's always this, you know, HOJJ POJ,
Speaker 1: this committee. I like theo Ritic some of the things
Speaker 1: he does, but he's not a workhorse running back. So
Speaker 1: when you get the injuries they've had for set is
Speaker 1: probably gonna see work right away, a lot of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he'll be there early down back and maybe
Speaker 1: he can average four yards per carry. Maybe they should
Speaker 1: never use him in the passing game because that has
Speaker 1: gone from my strength to a major weakness in his
Speaker 1: game over the last few year. I mean, Riddick isn't
Speaker 1: and they have Riddick for that yet, I Ridic is
Speaker 1: a foundation guy for them. He's a guy who has
Speaker 1: a long term contract. At what he does, he's one
Speaker 1: of the very best in the league as West you
Speaker 1: know put on his best thurned down backs. They just
Speaker 1: need someone to carry the ball, and I guess they're not, Uh,
Speaker 1: they're not into Zack Zentner and Dwayne Washhington's gotta get healthy.
Speaker 1: Moving out, Let's talk some Cleveland Browns football and their
Speaker 1: quarterback carousel continues to spend. Charlie Whitehurst a favorite of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. We would play Glysserene right now,
Speaker 1: but we've been robbed of the right to do that.
Speaker 1: So just imagine a Bush single from right now. Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a rare time that actually not having the music
Speaker 1: might be good. Bush is the worst. I saw Gavin
Speaker 1: Rossdale at a restaurant that Gregg suggested my wife and
Speaker 1: I go to and just connect the dots there. Maybe
Speaker 1: Gavin Rossdale also frequents this hi restaurant, our Korean restaurant,
Speaker 1: and one day there was some type of snap foo
Speaker 1: about a table now together. No, I was just someone
Speaker 1: that watched uh MTV all day and when Machine Head
Speaker 1: came on or whatever their first single was, it was
Speaker 1: the worst song ever. Everything was it was. It was terrible.
Speaker 1: Can't we get Patrick Kaganga to Emmy late put it
Speaker 1: in our put in our studio, Kaganga our second floor
Speaker 1: guitar whiz. By the way, Gregg and underrated foodie. He's
Speaker 1: he's rated. I mean, I don't know if people would
Speaker 1: know that. Well, all Right'm not saying that we don't
Speaker 1: know that about him. Lollipops. Greg doesn't like to acknowledge
Speaker 1: these a foodie. He calls his wife a foodie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was a chef, you know, that was that was
Speaker 1: her occupation. So that really brought me into the world
Speaker 1: of culinary delight. All right, so let's go down the list,
Speaker 1: spoken like a true foodie delight. R G three one game,
Speaker 1: Josh McCown came in. One game, Cody Kessler after McCown.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? More? Yeah, one couple of games. Ch
Speaker 1: has Whitehurst rolled in. Now he's done, Uh, he's been cut?
Speaker 1: Did I ever say that he has been released by
Speaker 1: the Browns? And now is Kevin Hogan's turn? Is that correct? Mark? Well,
Speaker 1: it's it sounds like Kessler will is on track, tokay,
Speaker 1: and McCown doesn't sound like he's too far away from
Speaker 1: coming back. So there. I think what they're saying is
Speaker 1: we'd rather have Kevin Hogan on the active roster than
Speaker 1: Charlie Whitehurst too. Yeah. Look, the only thing I said
Speaker 1: about Charlie white Hurst oring on Sunday was I would
Speaker 1: rather develop, or even try or see a young quarterback
Speaker 1: on a team that's gonna go about one in fifteen
Speaker 1: than Charlie white Hurst. There's literally nothing to know about
Speaker 1: Charlie Whitehurst. He and you know by the way he
Speaker 1: hurt the team, the offense got a lot worse with
Speaker 1: him on the field. So you know there's no mystery
Speaker 1: around him. I don't. I know you guys may find
Speaker 1: him entertaining. He was not entertaining me. Tell that to Jewel.
Speaker 1: No mystery, nothing to find out about him. As long
Speaker 1: has she been did those two have been learning about
Speaker 1: each other from she keeps on covering? How much mystery
Speaker 1: is left for Jewel? And you know who? I thought?
Speaker 1: He was a guy with layers. Nashville magazine that listed
Speaker 1: to one of the hottest apologies to that. Obviously that
Speaker 1: publication is searching for answers if that's what they need
Speaker 1: to get going, like seventy three men in Nashville and
Speaker 1: not to Ashville Heat against man. There what it's nice
Speaker 1: to see little Kevin Hogan all grown up? Um and
Speaker 1: not to blue Labor the point, but this seems especially like, wait,
Speaker 1: what's going on Kevin Hogan? Does he sound like a
Speaker 1: sitcom character from the eighties, like a mixed between Kevin
Speaker 1: Arnold and there was the Hogan family. There was the
Speaker 1: Hogan family with Sandy Duncan who had a glass eye.
Speaker 1: But thanks for not trampling on my little I didn't trampling.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure I got its proper
Speaker 1: do and people can decide whether it was good or not.
Speaker 1: The public decide, but not to be labor the point.
Speaker 1: But all the carouself sadness here uh juxtapus was posed
Speaker 1: against the issue when Philadelphia with Carson Wentz. Come on,
Speaker 1: enough of this, Well, it's a problem. I I found
Speaker 1: a Scouts note on Hogan. Who he's You know, he
Speaker 1: won a lot of games at Stanford, but he's not
Speaker 1: seen as a pro ready type quarterback. This is on
Speaker 1: our website and this isn't quote. Some coach is gonna
Speaker 1: fall in love with the person and bang on the
Speaker 1: table to take him late in the six or seventh.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I think the Chiefs did take him in
Speaker 1: the fifth, right, and then they cut and they cut him,
Speaker 1: they cut him. You know what. I like the idea
Speaker 1: of it. You never know where these guys are gonna
Speaker 1: come from, do it? Wait? Factory has been replaced by Carousel.
Speaker 1: Well the quarterback situations that carousel. The Factory is the larger,
Speaker 1: which is built on an Indian burial ground. This is
Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to the narrative around the
Speaker 1: Browns and they will eventually win a Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: it won't even be that satisfying. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing it because by the next day it's
Speaker 1: like I got to go back to work. Everyone's like
Speaker 1: slapping on the back, Hey, that's cool your team one,
Speaker 1: and then like you still have real life problems, like
Speaker 1: I'm not eight years old. What am I doing all
Speaker 1: this for? Yeah? I think I think that's something that
Speaker 1: could waiting for this magical moment from your childhood to
Speaker 1: be like hatched out of an egg. But there is
Speaker 1: no magical moment mark We're all gonna die anyway. Listen again,
Speaker 1: I feel out of place on this podcast because when
Speaker 1: the Jets win the Super Bowl, God willing, in the
Speaker 1: next forty years, when I'm still alive, that will be
Speaker 1: a magic It's just a self defense mechanism. I will
Speaker 1: enjoy it too. I hope you have to work just
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. We can speak to eally about giving
Speaker 1: you the next day off. I think what you're hitting on, though,
Speaker 1: as you're growing older you think about it, maybe what
Speaker 1: is what is all this? Is it going to be
Speaker 1: as satisfying as if you were saying, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: about going to be It could be more satisfying. I'll
Speaker 1: go the other way because the weight makes it more special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but your life doesn't revolve around it to the same
Speaker 1: way did when you were seventeen. You didn't have a
Speaker 1: ton of interest. All right, can we go on. I'm
Speaker 1: a die hard fan of my sports teams. You guys
Speaker 1: are all jaded journals. What do you want from me?
Speaker 1: I'm not Yeah, okay, jaded old men. Moving on, Gary
Speaker 1: Kubiak will not coach the Broncos on Thursday against the Chargers. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's dealing with complex my a complex migraine condition which
Speaker 1: does not sound fun. That announced by general manager John Elway.
Speaker 1: So against the Chargers, we will not have Uh Kubiak
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. Instead, it will be special teams coordinator
Speaker 1: Joe D. Camillis. Uh. And I would thought would be
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips on a but but apparently they decided to
Speaker 1: go with old sugar bug Joe D. Yeah, and Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will play a big effect
Speaker 1: of the game, but it certainly could. I actually wonder
Speaker 1: if that isn't a smart decision because you can allow
Speaker 1: the strength of the team and the coach who directs
Speaker 1: that Wade Phillips to be completely unencumbered by other stuff.
Speaker 1: If you gotta seal if this is a one weekend point,
Speaker 1: keep the defense in place. And obviously like they've got
Speaker 1: a lot of experience, that staff has got a lot
Speaker 1: of experience. Dude, what's the special teams coordinate you have
Speaker 1: to do for a brighton Well that that's basically what
Speaker 1: they said. They didn't want to take away from their jobs.
Speaker 1: And it's a way that you try to get Joe D.
Speaker 1: Camillis's name out there. He's a guy who's interviewed for
Speaker 1: two head coaching jobs. Jilton Joe D. Camillis so coas
Speaker 1: just throwing him a solid absolutely, because Wade Phillips knows
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be a head coach anymore. Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: is trying to get this guy's name and get him
Speaker 1: out there. He's interviewed for head coaching jobs that are
Speaker 1: special teams coach. He's had a couple and I don't
Speaker 1: want to um, you know, speak for a man's physical
Speaker 1: uh condition in life. I don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: with Gary Kubiak, but I do remember a few years
Speaker 1: ago he collapsed on the field at halftime. Was coaching
Speaker 1: the Texans, So that was a brain issue as it
Speaker 1: turned out. Now he's got this complex migraine thing. You know, Bro,
Speaker 1: you got your ring, you got maybe you've got to
Speaker 1: think about at a certain point, is is this a
Speaker 1: job for you? At a certain point, I wonder if
Speaker 1: he will be a guy that steps away from the
Speaker 1: game sooner than you would think because of this. The
Speaker 1: tension is is that he's actually not that old. It's
Speaker 1: not like right, So he's actually one of the He's
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the coaching ages, and it's
Speaker 1: tension between wanting to get another ring, wanting to completely
Speaker 1: cement your you know, your whole career and have people
Speaker 1: look at you in a different way, versus walking away,
Speaker 1: you know. And these guys, I'm surprised there aren't more
Speaker 1: coaches struggling with overt health issues. With the hours and
Speaker 1: the stress thunder, it is one of the most unhealthy
Speaker 1: jobs in America. Kubiak is fifty five years old with
Speaker 1: the hair of a nine year old boy. This jet black, Sure,
Speaker 1: it's all natural. Finally, the Chargers. Members of the Chargers
Speaker 1: are unhappy with their kicker, Josh Lambeau. After the CBS
Speaker 1: broadcast um minutes after the botched field goal attempt that
Speaker 1: Lambo never got a chance to kick. The snap was
Speaker 1: mishandled um, leading to another crushing loss, this time to
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders. Lambeau was captured by CBS uh kind
Speaker 1: of running after Uh Sea Bass Sebastian Janikowski with a
Speaker 1: big grin on his face, and then they had another
Speaker 1: shot of um Josh Lambeau with a laughing with John A.
Speaker 1: Cask as he walked out of frame. And apparently this
Speaker 1: has led to some tensions in the San Diego locker room. Mark,
Speaker 1: what did you see here? Did this bother you? If
Speaker 1: you were a member of the Chargers are a fan
Speaker 1: of the team, Well, it happened after the game, and
Speaker 1: if you watch the full broadcast these games, there are
Speaker 1: countless players from the losing team going up to friends
Speaker 1: and coaches and former associates on the other team being
Speaker 1: good sports frankly, and like the game is sucks, the
Speaker 1: ending sucked, but they're human at that point in there.
Speaker 1: They're able to deal with it a little differently than
Speaker 1: some fans. So no, it doesn't bother me the way
Speaker 1: in the context of how it happened. It's because he's
Speaker 1: a kicker exactly. It's because he's a kicker. If he
Speaker 1: was any other position, they're not seen as the same
Speaker 1: as the other fifty two guys in the roster. And
Speaker 1: I see the point that if if it's a repeat
Speaker 1: problem and somebody's not taking their job seriously or their
Speaker 1: laws seriously, everybody in the team should say something to him.
Speaker 1: But if it's a one time thing and it's just
Speaker 1: after a game. I've played a lot of sports, and
Speaker 1: if I had a teammate come to me with an
Speaker 1: issue with that, there would be a confrontation. You don't
Speaker 1: get to tell me how to handle a loss. That
Speaker 1: there's no one right or wrong way, And you've got
Speaker 1: to be a self centered jerk to think that the
Speaker 1: way you react to a loss is the only way
Speaker 1: that's acceptable. There's a um there's a double standard to
Speaker 1: play here too, because no one treats the kicker as
Speaker 1: a real member of the team, But then you want
Speaker 1: him to react in the same way as everyone else
Speaker 1: on the team. That a guy that played every play
Speaker 1: on defense at linebacker and uh, you know, played his
Speaker 1: heart out and lost, So it's got you know, that's
Speaker 1: a tough life for kickers. Just what we talked about
Speaker 1: Roberto Iguayo. It's a tough life for him. It's a
Speaker 1: tough life for the lambinator. How about the how about
Speaker 1: the holder who blew blew that? And just before he
Speaker 1: dropped that hold, he had a seventeen yard punt out
Speaker 1: of bounds that's set up a raiders. He was probably
Speaker 1: still in his head thinking about that chunk when he
Speaker 1: dropped the field goal. And here's one other bit about
Speaker 1: like going back to West's point, um Julio Jones after
Speaker 1: that crushing playoff lost a couple of years back, uh
Speaker 1: to was it the forty Niners? This game he had
Speaker 1: where he went nuts and they lost in the last
Speaker 1: play where um, it was a target towards Tony Gonzalza
Speaker 1: didn't work out. He was not upset at all in
Speaker 1: the locker room, and they asked him why. He said,
Speaker 1: because I literally did everything I could. I have nothing
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of it. I I did my part
Speaker 1: and it just didn't work out. These guys react differently
Speaker 1: to losses. Some guys are gutted. Some guys they kind
Speaker 1: of have a different way of looking and then they
Speaker 1: freak out of two head coaches don't shake hands after
Speaker 1: a game too, so it's like, you know, you can't
Speaker 1: please there's no dynamic here that would please everyone. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Okay, guys, let's do it. O. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a serious special high all right, it's time. I
Speaker 1: just crumbled up every piece of paper and threw it mark,
Speaker 1: because it's time to settle this nothing personal market just
Speaker 1: I got no I liked it, but I was I
Speaker 1: was an not prepared caught off guard there, I apologize. Uh.
Speaker 1: It is the team of a t L decision time
Speaker 1: decision sixteen, and it is down to two teams, folks.
Speaker 1: On one A. There's a studio audience here by the way. Okay, city,
Speaker 1: you know what we talked about. You gotta get them in.
Speaker 1: You gotta uddle them in, like on the prices. Right.
Speaker 1: If you drive by CBS Studios in l A early
Speaker 1: in the morning, you'll see all those people lined up
Speaker 1: at five am. You gotta get him, huddle them, get
Speaker 1: him in here for the beginning of our segment. Sorry,
Speaker 1: my time management is a rule off today. All right about.
Speaker 1: We noticed a round of booze for Sydney on this
Speaker 1: one see that hurts well deserved, but Sydney is also
Speaker 1: like I'm on Rushmore, I'm untouchable, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's like the audience for the debates. There's lots of rules,
Speaker 1: so watch out audience, but we encourage, we encourage, applause
Speaker 1: and all that. Anyway, here we go. So the five
Speaker 1: and old Minnesota Vikings. Who are Mark Sessler's Who is
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's nominee for the Team of a t L.
Speaker 1: Yet another great performance in Week five where there um defense,
Speaker 1: especially really Um overwhelmed the opponent, this time the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans A thirty one, thirteen in and Mark. At this point,
Speaker 1: as we now take this to vote um, you have
Speaker 1: to be feeling very confident. There's nothing in your mind
Speaker 1: or is there that would lead you to have any
Speaker 1: doubts that this is the right team now five and oh,
Speaker 1: the only undefeated team in the NFL. Well, the only
Speaker 1: issue would be if we keep going and it sounds
Speaker 1: like we're not going to We're gonna pull this out
Speaker 1: today that it's people. I'm getting tweets, Oh the Vikings
Speaker 1: are too good. This is a front runner team, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I'll be honest, I though I was tweeting
Speaker 1: about this on after the week to win, when people
Speaker 1: still had plenty of issues over Sam Bradford and when
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson had just been lost for the season, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't a front running team. Then it was a
Speaker 1: team that has since proven what they are, which is
Speaker 1: for me, a fun to watch team. Are they perfect? No,
Speaker 1: But I kind of like that about him too, And
Speaker 1: for a lot a lot of things for me starts
Speaker 1: with Mike Zimmer and it starts with someone like Sam Bradford,
Speaker 1: who I've never been able to root for in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I find that to be a different situation now, and
Speaker 1: it's like last week you stay, you take Stephon digs out,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, someone else steps up. I just like the
Speaker 1: way that they operate from week to week. They are
Speaker 1: fun for me to watch, and that's my vote. We'll
Speaker 1: forget forget this after a week two, which which you're right,
Speaker 1: this was a team that you were honking about in August,
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, the injury to Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: shook some people's confidence in terms of what is the
Speaker 1: upside of this team. But that's why to me that
Speaker 1: they're so exciting is because of the story, because of
Speaker 1: the people they're missing and because they keep fighting and
Speaker 1: West you you said that you were going to go
Speaker 1: back and rewatch the Minnesota Vikings and the Oakland Raiders
Speaker 1: and uh see if you could formulate an opinion that
Speaker 1: maybe would allow you to vote for one of these teams.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts after rewatching the five Minnesota games.
Speaker 1: So Friday, I went into my layer, tried to get
Speaker 1: some findings like you do, dialed up game pass, and
Speaker 1: you know, I I quite enjoyed it. And part of
Speaker 1: it was messages I was getting on Twitter and our
Speaker 1: subreddit from very sweet, thoughtful, charming Vikings fans basically saying, please,
Speaker 1: you know, excuse the people who have been idiots, and
Speaker 1: we'd just like you to consider our team out of
Speaker 1: the kindness of your heart. And they were, they were
Speaker 1: very gracious messages, and I took that into consideration, and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the games and I thought, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: along with this. I'm not going to be a stick
Speaker 1: in the mud. I'm gonna go along with it. And
Speaker 1: that was my mindset throughout the weekend, and then last
Speaker 1: night put on the Texans Vikings game. The stadium is glorious,
Speaker 1: the sun coming in for a Sunday afternoon game, It's glorious.
Speaker 1: And the Helmets top five helmet in the National Football
Speaker 1: I'm already getting a little warmed up to this team.
Speaker 1: And Cordell Patterson reaching his entire body for the goal line.
Speaker 1: You can see that every member on this team wants
Speaker 1: it on every play. What put it in and it
Speaker 1: made this organic for me that I'm not just going along.
Speaker 1: I caught Vikings fever when Sam Bradford took that hit.
Speaker 1: When he took that hit and looked like the most
Speaker 1: the toughest quarterback in the NFL at that time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm on board. I'm on board these Vikings. They're exactly
Speaker 1: what Mark said they were. And for charges of front running,
Speaker 1: that's fine. You can say I'm jumping on board when
Speaker 1: they're five and oh Mark saw it when they were two,
Speaker 1: and oh he saw it in the summer. And Mark's
Speaker 1: attitude that Sunday night when he kicked his foot up
Speaker 1: on the table is the Vikings attitude. I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: I don't care whether you guys go along. I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: I don't need you, and the Vikings don't care you
Speaker 1: can take our quarterback, you can take our running back,
Speaker 1: you can take our number one receiver, you can take
Speaker 1: our tackles. We're doing this, and I'm doing it mark
Speaker 1: by board with the Vikings. I love it. Now. Would
Speaker 1: this have anything to do with you getting a bouquet
Speaker 1: of flowers and waiting for that to come? Is it
Speaker 1: that easy to buy? Chris Westling? That's the question I
Speaker 1: have to ask. I gotta ask the question. Well, that
Speaker 1: was a nice gesture, and it was a nice card.
Speaker 1: It was a teddy bear and flowers and from some fans,
Speaker 1: and it was basically the same message, sorry, don't let
Speaker 1: a few And this was something I had already thought,
Speaker 1: already thought the line. I remember my senior high school,
Speaker 1: our principals said this about a couple of students. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna let a few rotten apples spoil the whole bunch.
Speaker 1: And I thought that over the weekend, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get past the rotten apples. And the card that
Speaker 1: these Vikings sent me said the exact same line, Please
Speaker 1: don't let a few rotten apples spoil. I mean, in
Speaker 1: our devents, we've been telling you that for weeks as well, right,
Speaker 1: but I was sticking up for you guys too. I
Speaker 1: wasn't just doing it for myself and week coming out
Speaker 1: of week five. I don't know when we picked these
Speaker 1: teams in the past, but this is not an outrageous
Speaker 1: time frame. We've come to a decision potentially, now let
Speaker 1: me know. Now, on the other side of things, the
Speaker 1: Autumn Wind is a pirate blustering in from scene for
Speaker 1: the rollicking song. He sweeps along, swaggering voice. Now let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I see the writing on the
Speaker 1: wall here, and I'm not gonna be a jerk about this.
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings are a fun team to get
Speaker 1: excited about. So who am I to stand in the
Speaker 1: way and and and throw a fit about this? So yes,
Speaker 1: if if it comes to it, I can get behind
Speaker 1: the Vikings. But before that happens, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure it's clear that everyone knows that the Raiders, in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, were the ideal team of a
Speaker 1: TL for this year. I'll tell you why. First of all,
Speaker 1: there four and one, and they win games in a fun,
Speaker 1: exciting way. Now, there are different ways to look at
Speaker 1: the team. A til one is to get into the
Speaker 1: lab and see what you like. About how they play defense, offense,
Speaker 1: the way, certain elements about how the team looks on
Speaker 1: a week to week basis, And then there's another way
Speaker 1: to look at it, which team, despite not being the
Speaker 1: most talented, the Vikings potentially are a super Bowl team.
Speaker 1: The Raiders are gonna sniff the super Bowl, I don't
Speaker 1: think this season. But they are a fun team. They
Speaker 1: have wins of thirty five thirty and thirty four thirty one.
Speaker 1: One of those wins, of course, on a two point
Speaker 1: conversion try with seconds remaining in the game. Another one
Speaker 1: where Lady Luck steps in and and botches a snap
Speaker 1: on a field goal. If you turn on the Raiders
Speaker 1: this season, you're gonna get a fun game from a
Speaker 1: team on the rise with an exciting young quarterback. And
Speaker 1: you want to get excited about Sam Bradford now being
Speaker 1: back in in Minnesota and now things are starting to
Speaker 1: click for him. Well, I got Derek Carr, who was
Speaker 1: the second round pick, who's emerging as a star star player. Uh,
Speaker 1: you have uh talent on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: The defense obviously is not a great great defense, but
Speaker 1: they are making strides of four and one. They're winning games.
Speaker 1: Little Debbie of course is involved. I think that is
Speaker 1: something that should not pass. We're gonna go against the
Speaker 1: team that little Debbie has fought for, she said out
Speaker 1: another tweet on one Day, defending her Raiders. And finally,
Speaker 1: well two more points. Jack del Rio to me the
Speaker 1: new Riverboat run after what he did in week one?
Speaker 1: What black Jack del Rio is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things I've ever seen a coach do.
Speaker 1: Was going for two. Did it last week against the Chargers.
Speaker 1: This is nothing new. He is Blackjack and we got
Speaker 1: behind Riverboat Ron a few years back for the very reason.
Speaker 1: H a guy that's not afraid to be different, thing
Speaker 1: outside the box. And lastly, and Mark was on the
Speaker 1: Vikings in the preseason. But the Raiders are the only
Speaker 1: team out of the four that was picked before the
Speaker 1: season started. I thought before the season this team was
Speaker 1: going to be um, a team to be excited about,
Speaker 1: and they absolutely were so were doesn't look like we're
Speaker 1: gonna pick him, But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have picked him. Um, that is my side on this.
Speaker 1: I admire you. I admire you have nothing to hang
Speaker 1: your head about here. You knew last week that it
Speaker 1: was probably gonna be Vikings or nothing, and you went
Speaker 1: along with it. But you continue your campaign. You have
Speaker 1: not wavered, you have tweeted a lot of stuff out,
Speaker 1: you have stayed supporting the Raiders. I think that speaks
Speaker 1: strongly to your character. Also, thank you, Wes. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that we also have a lot of support for the
Speaker 1: Raiders on our subreddit. In fact, they want to vote
Speaker 1: in terms of the team that we should go with.
Speaker 1: So yes, there are reasons I'm still going to root
Speaker 1: for the Raiders. I think they're a fun team, only
Speaker 1: not in a hardcore way because I'm a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: so I don't really split things like that. But I
Speaker 1: know that you're in for an exciting game with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Greg your thoughts. I love the Raiders. I love having
Speaker 1: the Raiders Beaten back in the mix like I love
Speaker 1: their fan base. I love their uniforms, I love everything
Speaker 1: about them. You know, they don't get me quite as
Speaker 1: excited for whatever reason than the Vikings. But the little
Speaker 1: debbut argument is the is the tough one. I do
Speaker 1: feel like we we need to figure that out. Maybe
Speaker 1: she can be the official Rapper of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast or something. I feel like we might be
Speaker 1: burning in a bridge here, I hope not. Well, she
Speaker 1: I don't think that that voting for the Vikings is
Speaker 1: is a non it is against the Raiders either, because
Speaker 1: the Raiders would flip side. I thought that this Vikings
Speaker 1: thing was burning down, I would have not had a
Speaker 1: problem going Raiders either. I I think this is more
Speaker 1: about consensus than it is making a statement about the
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, because they have been everything you said is
Speaker 1: true about them and it can't be taken away. And
Speaker 1: you have been on that train from the start, and
Speaker 1: we're not looking at burn bridges uh with Little Debbie
Speaker 1: or our host. So you know there's issues out there,
Speaker 1: but it's really about this group's try to come to
Speaker 1: an agreement, and that's been more of the issue than
Speaker 1: are the Raiders worthy? They certainly are. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, the team of a t L, I
Speaker 1: just want us to pick a team. I have a
Speaker 1: team of the Jet. So this is all secondary to me. Um.
Speaker 1: So let's now officially, let's make it UH certified. All
Speaker 1: in favor of the Minnesota Vikings is the two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen team around the NFL. Say yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah all opposed? All right? Oh the Raiders fans in
Speaker 1: the crack. That effort got booed. Uh So your official
Speaker 1: team of around the NFL is the Minnesota Viking. They
Speaker 1: will effectively lose eleven in a row. The one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And now that they're picked and all that's good, I
Speaker 1: just want to say one other thing. You know, this
Speaker 1: team high up in the pain rankings for a reason.
Speaker 1: They break their fan bases hard every year. But again,
Speaker 1: we're not trying to pick a super Bowl winner here,
Speaker 1: so that might even if they do break hearts again. Uh,
Speaker 1: if that happens in the a F NFC divisional playoffs,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's every team of h L is broken.
Speaker 1: They're not a perfect team. If they end up twelve
Speaker 1: and four or eleven and five, that means they're gonna
Speaker 1: go seven and four, you know, six and five the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. There's gonna be some ups and
Speaker 1: downs this team. It's about the journey. Yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: we want to be along for the ride. We want
Speaker 1: to be along for the ride. Now, I would like
Speaker 1: to see some type of town hall now with west
Speaker 1: End the critics all get together and maybe a Kumbaya moment.
Speaker 1: Is that is that possible, we can do that. Why
Speaker 1: would I want to do that? I don't know what crowd?
Speaker 1: Now that you're on board with the Vikings, you guys
Speaker 1: are one and the same, you and these, uh, these
Speaker 1: Cretans that you speak of, maybe now you can break
Speaker 1: bread together? Do you even know me? I do know
Speaker 1: you very well right? Why they don't need to be
Speaker 1: in my life. I'm not trying to have Cretans in
Speaker 1: my life. That's what the block buttons for Dan. Life
Speaker 1: is too short to deal with creatings. Well you did,
Speaker 1: you did come around to pick the Vikings. I mean
Speaker 1: you were very strong against that at some certain points.
Speaker 1: So maybe this would turn to I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: a brave new world us you're in on the vice.
Speaker 1: Those people do not exist in my world anymore, Dan,
Speaker 1: the world, I mean the this crazy The Around the
Speaker 1: League podcast has chosen a team led by Sammy Bradford
Speaker 1: as the team that they want to choose the world.
Speaker 1: Everything's changing. No, I'm on board, well on board, and
Speaker 1: I know marks phobia is that like they'll go on
Speaker 1: a losing streak and we'll all lash out at him.
Speaker 1: I promise I won't do that. I'm on board this
Speaker 1: team because I think they're exciting. Well, I thought that
Speaker 1: you almost tongue cast Mark when you were doing your
Speaker 1: little speech, so I thought, I figured you're not going
Speaker 1: to turn on him. Hey, that was that came from
Speaker 1: a natural place. And there is some natural heat coming
Speaker 1: from Dan two and it is on my radar, and
Speaker 1: I am concerned. I am it's on board of the vikings.
Speaker 1: But get to make not comments all the time. I
Speaker 1: could do whatever I want. This is your team now,
Speaker 1: I will say this, though you got the reason why
Speaker 1: it was. You know, one of the reasons I was
Speaker 1: not all the way on board. It was because Sam Bradford.
Speaker 1: So hopefully he doesn't turn into a pumpkin. That's all.
Speaker 1: I'm on board. Let's hope everything works out here. You
Speaker 1: should go down and need your own layer and see
Speaker 1: what finding you come up with. I found him. I
Speaker 1: found him the first seven years of San Bradford's career
Speaker 1: in the NFL. We'll see. Let's hope. Let's hope everything's
Speaker 1: good now. I just don't want us to have egg
Speaker 1: on our faces collectively, that's all. Well, there's attitude that
Speaker 1: you are if we have the team of a t
Speaker 1: L right, if we have egg in our faces. You
Speaker 1: will somehow have it on the three of our faces
Speaker 1: while you ride off in a you know, a cream
Speaker 1: color for me a break. You're part of this, right,
Speaker 1: Mark talked about, you know, winning a Super Bowl baby,
Speaker 1: whendn't the elation wouldn't last long? I think it took
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds for the community feeling after choosing the team
Speaker 1: of a TL to fill apart. Hey, I voted I'm in,
Speaker 1: but you know once U by a time Les voted
Speaker 1: for the charges. Yeah, all right, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: This is ominous stuff coming from you. Let the record
Speaker 1: show that you voted for the like Vikings last week
Speaker 1: before I did, and now you're the hold out. I'm
Speaker 1: not a holdout emotionally. Oh well, that's different. This is
Speaker 1: like the sitcom cliffhanger, where you finally learn who gets
Speaker 1: together to end the season and then they start the
Speaker 1: very next season. Within the first five minutes, it's all like,
Speaker 1: oh no, actually that's you know what you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like you were saying, Mark, when you're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, go have a nice day. You pick who
Speaker 1: you want. I'm gonna be riding the Vikings. I'm still
Speaker 1: in the Raiders corner. But as a group, I'm you know, well,
Speaker 1: the second part of that instruction was don't join the
Speaker 1: vikings scenario. If you're going to be you know, I'm here.
Speaker 1: Well we'll find out if you're here. I'm just doing
Speaker 1: it for the show. I'm here. This is absurd. Dan
Speaker 1: is now dancing around and see, all right, so there
Speaker 1: you go, everybody. You can stop tweeting us about how
Speaker 1: annoying the Team of a t L is and how
Speaker 1: what's taking so long? We've done the vikings of the
Speaker 1: Team of a t L Forten and you know, like,
Speaker 1: get the studio on. It's out of here. Hey, al right,
Speaker 1: here we go. Moving on finally, the Thursday night preview. Yes,
Speaker 1: we alluded to it earlier. We spoke about it earlier. Um,
Speaker 1: there will be no Gary Kubiak on the sidelines for
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Um it will be Jolton Joe instead. When
Speaker 1: the Broncos trying to get back to their winning ways
Speaker 1: after a loss in Week five, they take on the
Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers in San Diego. So here, Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: is a matchup between two teams coming off losses but
Speaker 1: still in very different places on the NFL. Spectrum right now.
Speaker 1: Your initial thoughts about this game. I think it's a
Speaker 1: very different Broncos team right out of the gate. If
Speaker 1: you get Trevor Simeon in over Paxton Lynch, who was
Speaker 1: a picture of dangerous downfield lobbs into coverage last week,
Speaker 1: Simeon's not been doing the same thing. If they get
Speaker 1: him back and healthy, and if you get you know,
Speaker 1: Donald Stevenson back right tackle, which was a major issue
Speaker 1: for them last year. They made the Atlanta last week,
Speaker 1: they made the Atlanta Falcons look like the six Giants.
Speaker 1: So you know you're you're dealing. It's a game against
Speaker 1: a banged up Chargers team, and you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: picked on the way Matt Ryan did. Throwing it to
Speaker 1: the best backfield combination in the league, short and mid
Speaker 1: range passes, eating up the middle of your defense for
Speaker 1: big yardage. It's a different situation. I appreciate you throwing
Speaker 1: out the eighty six Giants because everyone always just says
Speaker 1: the eighty five Bears whenever they're looking for kind of
Speaker 1: the they made him. They made him look that. I
Speaker 1: saw that on Monday, and everyone's always like they made
Speaker 1: him look like the eighty five Bears six big year
Speaker 1: for West and I do you ever talk about the
Speaker 1: seventy eight Falcons then we can really get into it.
Speaker 1: Whoa wow, seven eight Falcons. But you don't hear that
Speaker 1: too often. That would be that would see that would
Speaker 1: have been an even better reference. Marks would have been
Speaker 1: because nobody would have known and it would have fallen
Speaker 1: on deaf this This Broncos team is a proud group
Speaker 1: and they even been able to stop to run lately.
Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna look at this Chargers team
Speaker 1: and not really be too afraid of Melvin Gordon, who's
Speaker 1: not really the runner that we expected coming out of college.
Speaker 1: He's kind of the opposite. He's pretty good in the
Speaker 1: passing game. He's a tough runner that runs over people,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't make anyone miss. The Chargers are only
Speaker 1: gonna beat them by throwing the ball a lot, which
Speaker 1: is probably right, and it's tough for any team to
Speaker 1: do that against Denver. If if people thought the Falcons
Speaker 1: provided a blueprint, the Chargers don't have the personnel to
Speaker 1: follow suit. They are best when they pass, like you said,
Speaker 1: which fits right into what the Broncos want you to do.
Speaker 1: Drop back to pass, so they can unleas Von Miller,
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett, Shane Ray, and then their three cornerbacks who
Speaker 1: are really shut down corners. Melvin Gordon doesn't have the
Speaker 1: skill set of of Havin Coleman or DeVonta Freeman. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna He's not gonna burn your linebackers down the sideline. No,
Speaker 1: but I I think the Chargers can keep it close.
Speaker 1: This is one of those teams you said you're gonna
Speaker 1: still root for the Raiders. I root for the Chargers
Speaker 1: every week. I still really like this team. I find
Speaker 1: them entertaining. I think they have and players. Their games
Speaker 1: are obviously always close. It's sad how they blow every game.
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa was fun to watch last week. He made
Speaker 1: a huge impact. Melvin Ingram's playing really well. They have
Speaker 1: this young kid, Jatavis Brown who came in from Ante Teo.
Speaker 1: That's an upgrade that did not hurt them at all
Speaker 1: losing Manti Teo. They've got They've got players on this team.
Speaker 1: Tyrelle Williams make has made a lot of plays for
Speaker 1: them this year. Rivers is playing well. It's not a
Speaker 1: bad roster. They could easily be three and two, four
Speaker 1: and one, but they are not the They are not
Speaker 1: a diverse offense in the way that what Atlanta can
Speaker 1: do so many different things, and that that really was
Speaker 1: a matchup game for me. If you look at the Chargers,
Speaker 1: they use simply one back sets almost seventy of the time.
Speaker 1: They're in three wide receiver sets in such a majority
Speaker 1: that that's essentially their attack. But they haven't at Gates,
Speaker 1: and they had the Gates and Henry offense last week.
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is good. I don't know what we're getting
Speaker 1: out of Antonio Gates, but he did make some a
Speaker 1: couple of catches last week. If you're gonna beat them, maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's picking on the linebackers with those two tight ends.
Speaker 1: You want to check in. By the way, on West
Speaker 1: West is desert consiguliary. Mr Spice Rack gets back on
Speaker 1: the show. If Melvin Gordon runs for a thousand yards,
Speaker 1: what's well, he's I'm paced for total yards, but what
Speaker 1: we said was rushing yards, and right now he is
Speaker 1: off the pace, not by much. He's on pace for
Speaker 1: nine and fifty seven rushing yards. So spicy right on
Speaker 1: the cusp. Will we ever hear from him again? That's
Speaker 1: up to the San Diego Chargers on pace for touchdowns
Speaker 1: though he's been if he has a thousand yards rushing
Speaker 1: or twenty touchdown of a Gordon thanks for spice rack
Speaker 1: back on the show. Um anyway, So does anyone uh
Speaker 1: believe that San Diego will get over the hump in
Speaker 1: this game and get back to their winning ways? Uh?
Speaker 1: And as Trevor sent me in playing by the way,
Speaker 1: he's expected to. But we don't know for sure because
Speaker 1: that was a big loss. As it turned out. He's
Speaker 1: practicing and he's you know, they had him in shoulder
Speaker 1: pads to day, tried to see what you could do
Speaker 1: with full range of motion like the fashion shoulder pads.
Speaker 1: Well it was a non padded practice, so he was
Speaker 1: the only one. Maybe they're trying to sing women's fashion
Speaker 1: of it. No, it's not a not like a Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton esque like pants suit shoulder pad scenario. Save it
Speaker 1: for the political podcast mark coming up there. I got
Speaker 1: some stuff for that podcast. Anybody all right? Anybody going
Speaker 1: to pick the San Diego Chargers speak now or forever?
Speaker 1: Hold your piece? Come on, Greg, you know you want.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it just for the sake of it.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me. But no, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: They'll find, they'll find it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, well what,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I don't believe they'll win. I
Speaker 1: believe they'll find a way to lose another close game
Speaker 1: and that Mike McCoy will be leading the top of
Speaker 1: our next pot. Well, actually there will be a whimpering.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that he's probably gonna lose his
Speaker 1: job if they lose this game. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a bold statement. And Rappaport and other insiders southern California
Speaker 1: look in right now Mike McCoy's home. Why does it
Speaker 1: bother you so much? This? It is very disturbing. I
Speaker 1: think it's funny. Is it the idea of flesh melting? Well,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, West and many others were offended
Speaker 1: by dogs helping. I care about humans, but this sounds
Speaker 1: like a fake. This sounds like a fake whipper. And
Speaker 1: that's why I find it funny. This is someone that
Speaker 1: you occasionally see at league events. He, by all the accounts,
Speaker 1: is a you know, it's a great offensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: a good guy, and we're simulating him being burned in
Speaker 1: a fire. It's slightly uncomfortable as an analogy for him
Speaker 1: losing his job, which doesn't help. You're big on that,
Speaker 1: You're big on let's treat these guys like humans, like
Speaker 1: anybody else losing their jobs. You're huge on that. Of
Speaker 1: the time. He's so big on that, you love that.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, well, we should have talked about this
Speaker 1: guy because he's got a family. I have hardly that.
Speaker 1: I have hardly that guy. I fail for those poor
Speaker 1: Charges fans, that's give them something a roof for win
Speaker 1: this game. I think they can win it. They can
Speaker 1: absolutely win it. To Greg, they're gotta win the game.
Speaker 1: We just we just completely snow jobs. Fantastic. I also
Speaker 1: would love to see NFL media research. What is the
Speaker 1: you know, since Thursday Night Football started, the percentage of
Speaker 1: the home team winning it was like a huge advantage. Yeah, yearly.
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things happening, Like the
Speaker 1: Chargers so desperately need this and they all know it.
Speaker 1: There's not a sin. Even even they're laughing. Kicker knows it.
Speaker 1: They need to get this thing. You're not bunny boy, Hey,
Speaker 1: get over here, rump. He is back in the mix
Speaker 1: at an unlikely time. Why did I q that up? Uh,
Speaker 1: You're not asking a team to go from Jacksonville to
Speaker 1: Sandy Goes Denver. But I think this is I'm trying
Speaker 1: to This is we talk about the vice Keen's overcoming stuff.
Speaker 1: This is Denver's game with an interim coach for one
Speaker 1: game and a quarterback that's coming off injury probably isn't
Speaker 1: fully healthy on any level. This is their way to
Speaker 1: show people on national television. We are that a f
Speaker 1: C version of that, But I'm attempting to distribute information
Speaker 1: to the listener in absolute chaos. No thanks to Janikowski.
Speaker 1: I rely respect you've done in your career, but his
Speaker 1: voice just get a lot Fastern's Johnny Chuckles. I mean,
Speaker 1: Johnny Chuckles is a total wild card. What's in his
Speaker 1: system or his bloodstream? We don't know. Plot cocaine. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, that's it. So Greg, you took the charges
Speaker 1: because you gotta hear about West West? Are you still
Speaker 1: alive in our survivor pool? I forgot to turn in
Speaker 1: my pick last week. I was advances. Completely forgot it
Speaker 1: was in my life. Okay, I'm out a one. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. We will be back on Thursday night
Speaker 1: with the recap of the Denver San Diego UH matchup,
Speaker 1: and then a full preview of all the week six games.
Speaker 1: And UH. Once again I must thank all the listeners.
Speaker 1: We have to UH salute you. Our downloads continued to grow. UH.
Speaker 1: We are really uh. The audience is almost doubled now
Speaker 1: from where it was last year, So thank you. Continue
Speaker 1: help spreading the word of the around the NFL Podcast West.
Speaker 1: We had a very nice Packers fan who sent us
Speaker 1: a wheel of nice cheeses and sausages. Their name was
Speaker 1: Julie than I love that it actually prompted a a
Speaker 1: missive from the Shadowy League figures. It did, you know,
Speaker 1: be careful about some of these gifts. You might have
Speaker 1: to declare them with other Shadowy League figures. We have
Speaker 1: this or Well Orwellian plan in our life. Caught a
Speaker 1: compliance plan where we have to declare all gifts over
Speaker 1: X amount of dollars. It's it's really no one would
Speaker 1: have no one would have thunked this up outside of
Speaker 1: a novel a hunt Well. It's not unusual for for UM,
Speaker 1: a media company, to to have that rule. But I
Speaker 1: think if we are get we've given. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to meet and cheese is. I appreciate the gesture,
Speaker 1: but I can't eat them. So my portion went to
Speaker 1: other various people at that point. If it did cross
Speaker 1: the price barrier, it certainly came back down under. I
Speaker 1: think if you give part of the gift away to
Speaker 1: people in the office, you chip it off the final cost.
Speaker 1: Right anyway, all right, that was mark subtle way of saying,
Speaker 1: send some raw food next time. Well, no, don't send
Speaker 1: raw food to the mail or if a shadowy leak
Speaker 1: figures listening to this, I am not involved with. I
Speaker 1: have not taken any of the goods. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: be back with the goods Greg Thursday night. Until then, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is Dan Hanson signing off for the Quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: the mailman, the Boss, and the wonderful last side behind
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