Speaker 1: It's a touchdown for San Francisco. Paul was bat into
Speaker 1: the air and intercepted. The Cardinals get their first break
Speaker 1: of the night. Stanton has Fitzgerald for the touchdown. Niners
Speaker 1: for the first down throw when it's intercepted. There he
Speaker 1: is again and he leaps across for another score. David
Speaker 1: Johnson watch out here. That's a safety. Arians celebrates. It
Speaker 1: wasn't pretty on Thursday Night football. Cardinals thirty three, forty,
Speaker 1: Niners twenty one. But you know what, they don't count
Speaker 1: style points in the standings, and the Cardinals needed this
Speaker 1: game badly. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here with Chris Wesley
Speaker 1: and as always talking Thursday Night football. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the full Week five preview, Chris Westling, you boys,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals got off the schneid in a game that
Speaker 1: they had to start Drew Stanton, so they gotta be happy.
Speaker 1: Drew Stanton was terrible. He was awful. They won in
Speaker 1: spite of him. I watched this game with Mark and
Speaker 1: midway through the second quarter, we both said they can't
Speaker 1: just run David Johnson all game and expect to win
Speaker 1: as their only play, and it's almost what they did.
Speaker 1: It is they could, because that's how good David Johnson is.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why as bad as this game was
Speaker 1: for long stretches, there's twelve punts in the first half. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was ugly. Some bad quarterback play. You got to
Speaker 1: see David Johnson rack up a hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage using the entire arsenal I mean, plays
Speaker 1: to the outside stops and starts running over people at
Speaker 1: the goal line. Nice wheel route. It was basically, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna win this game with just David Johnson and oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, one of the best all time receivers
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald having another big night. It's crazy how different
Speaker 1: this year's Cardinals are because if you watched them all
Speaker 1: seasons so far, they have a few mainstays. On offense,
Speaker 1: you have David Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Those have been
Speaker 1: their only their best. They're only two reliable players. When
Speaker 1: last year Michael Floyd was so good at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, John Brown was so good throughout the year,
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer was so great. This year it's only David
Speaker 1: Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, and then on defense Tony Jefferson,
Speaker 1: who made a great special teams play tonight too. And
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, who is a young James Harrison coming off
Speaker 1: the edge. He has been one of my favorite defensive
Speaker 1: players to watch this year and the reason the Cardinals
Speaker 1: let to White Freeney walk after leading in sacks because
Speaker 1: they wanted Marcus Golden to play every down. He leads
Speaker 1: the NFL and sacks. He LAIDs the NFL and sacks
Speaker 1: right now, He had ted tackles, made some plays in
Speaker 1: the running game. Chandler Jones playing pretty well too. That's
Speaker 1: a nice tandem that they have. But to your point
Speaker 1: on Fitzgerald and Johnson, it's amazing. How bad would this
Speaker 1: Cardinals team be if they didn't have two of the
Speaker 1: very best players we're talking to all pros this year.
Speaker 1: Absolutely here here, This puts it in perspective. I just
Speaker 1: did some quick math on the on the paper, I
Speaker 1: got a lot higher than thirty nine on my statement
Speaker 1: we didn't have state mandated matthes. They had two d
Speaker 1: and sixty six yards tonight. The rest of the Cardinals
Speaker 1: team had twenty two more yards. Is outrageous. Mark and
Speaker 1: I saw that staff when we were watching the game
Speaker 1: and we were appalled. It's it's outrageous Fitzgerald's greatness. You
Speaker 1: could see it. And it's in the first three touchdowns
Speaker 1: that the cardinal score. Two of them were by Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: using some veteran savvy separating from defender using push off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: little push off, but he knows how to get away
Speaker 1: with it, making Drew Stanton look good on one of
Speaker 1: his better throws of the night. And then on the
Speaker 1: third touchdown it was David Johnson running in with Fitzgerald blocking.
Speaker 1: So these two guys are great. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Stanton is a problem. They're not gonna win any games
Speaker 1: with Stanton at quarterback unless and that's they're playing. They
Speaker 1: would have lost any other game, and they got lucky tonight.
Speaker 1: Their first two touchdowns come after a tip tipped pick
Speaker 1: which really turned the game around, and then a fumbled kickoff.
Speaker 1: Their first two touchdown drives totaled thirty five yards combined,
Speaker 1: but that helped them, uh feel a little better and
Speaker 1: get some points. Bruce arians handpicked backup quarterback from their
Speaker 1: time together in Indianapolis. We remember before they traded for
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer and he went out on a limb and said,
Speaker 1: I have no qualms starting Drew Stanton. This is his
Speaker 1: hand pick guy, and of the last five years he
Speaker 1: is out of seventy quarterbacks with three more pass attempts.
Speaker 1: He's in the seventy seventy five range in almost every
Speaker 1: passing category. He's that bad of a pass four point
Speaker 1: four yards per attempt, so that's lower than Johnson's yards
Speaker 1: per carry. That said, there, two and three. Uh, they
Speaker 1: get a couple of home games here. They get the
Speaker 1: Jets next week, also in prime time. Hopefully Carson Palmer's back.
Speaker 1: You just you hope that they just start getting it
Speaker 1: rolling because they needed this one to to flip to
Speaker 1: the other side very quickly. The most noteworthy thing for
Speaker 1: the forty Niners to me where they we want cap chance.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could hear that, where you
Speaker 1: were Chris Wesley and the crowd wanting Kaepernick and I
Speaker 1: can't blame them. But let's be honest, though, Kaepernick, who
Speaker 1: is so many pounds underweight and he's standing on the
Speaker 1: sideline looking like Gazoo from the Flute Stones, I mean,
Speaker 1: can we take this guy seriously? Has a better option
Speaker 1: to blame. He's not He's not saving this team. I
Speaker 1: mean gab It's a bad side though, the best thing
Speaker 1: about the forty Niners offense was Gabbert's running ability. He
Speaker 1: had seventy yards. Curly would like the world to know
Speaker 1: that when the story of his career is written, it
Speaker 1: will say I have been the best receiver on two
Speaker 1: different teams. How many receivers in history have said that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That that was one um downside for the Cardinals. Tonight
Speaker 1: they put Honey Badger in the slot and Jeremy Curley
Speaker 1: had his way with him. Really eight catches hundred and
Speaker 1: two yards in a touchdown to Honey Badger getting back
Speaker 1: to the mix. But Honey Badger did give me my
Speaker 1: most memorable part of this game. They had him miked up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they ever even aired this, but
Speaker 1: I saw it when they showed it during commercials. Sometimes
Speaker 1: we'll see the production. He was just screaming to anyone
Speaker 1: on the sideline that would listen over and over again,
Speaker 1: that's David Johnson. That's David Johnson. That's David Johnson. And
Speaker 1: and I and I'm sitting there thinking, I know the feeling, baby,
Speaker 1: which brings us back to all or nothing. When Honey
Speaker 1: Bidgers on the sideline, saying that's a bigger version of
Speaker 1: Marshall Falk. And what Mark Sessler would like everyone to
Speaker 1: know tonight is David Johnson is like Genghis Khan running
Speaker 1: with the horse and the wind is blowing the main
Speaker 1: and he is taking the Mongolian steps, while the forty
Speaker 1: Niners linebackers are little prairie soldiers hiding behind trees, hoping
Speaker 1: David Johnson doesn't trample them. And with that over to you,
Speaker 1: Dan hans do you Around the NFL Podcast is now
Speaker 1: entering the gathered soul. Welcome back to another edition of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansus
Speaker 1: and I am joined by a room filled with heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What's up boys?
Speaker 1: Hey Dan? The Thursday edition they run the NFL Podcast,
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Speaker 1: Flame for all that you do for us. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is our week five preview show. So you know time
Speaker 1: keeps I keeps moving West. Give me like an old
Speaker 1: song that references time and the passage of it. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a Bengals song time time, time, time after time
Speaker 1: time keeps on ticking into into into the future. Alright,
Speaker 1: Steve Miller band, any other seventies or eighties female pop acts?
Speaker 1: Uh with time references? I like this good question. I
Speaker 1: have to think about that. The song you were referencing,
Speaker 1: by the way by the Bengals is hazy Shade of
Speaker 1: Winter there. Maybe Kate Bush has a song? Maybe what
Speaker 1: about you got any rap references old hip hop? Rosenthal
Speaker 1: got nothing. I'm impressed west could do that at the
Speaker 1: top that it's very good. Yes, what you just heard
Speaker 1: The top of the show was Chris Westling and Greg
Speaker 1: Rose with all the scientists breaking down the banger uh
Speaker 1: in Arizona Thursday night between the Drew Stanton led Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals UH and their matchup against the San Francisco forty Niners. UH.
Speaker 1: Not the best game in the world, but we have
Speaker 1: some better ones to talk about. Um. Even though we
Speaker 1: do have some byes this week, guys, I don't like
Speaker 1: with the show is going right off the top. Why
Speaker 1: I made a musical reference to and Greg only referenced
Speaker 1: west is oh. I liked Wes's musical references. That's true,
Speaker 1: but you had a little more, very true, you had
Speaker 1: time to think about it. What I was saying. I
Speaker 1: don't like when people give you an open ended question
Speaker 1: like that you just gotta But you said that you
Speaker 1: yourself couldn't come up with one, and I did, and
Speaker 1: so not how much time I had? I got it
Speaker 1: done before the clock expired. If I was power ranking
Speaker 1: the ability to answer Dan's musical questions number one West,
Speaker 1: number two more, number three? Well, okay, sorry behind the
Speaker 1: glass and just started. If if we could turn back
Speaker 1: time by share and then I'll go into some mid
Speaker 1: nineties heartland rock. If you give me a second time?
Speaker 1: Why you punish me? Bock a wave crashing into the
Speaker 1: shore hole punishing you? Wash away, Madre. I regret bringing
Speaker 1: this topic up the second time. Who is that I
Speaker 1: was born at thirty two years old in two thousand four? McCain?
Speaker 1: Is it? That is hooting and the bluffish? Okay, how
Speaker 1: about memories, misty water color memories of the way we were?
Speaker 1: This is all set up to get Less the same. Alright,
Speaker 1: Less went deeper showing his age there that is uh
Speaker 1: early seven. I'd like to think not showing my age,
Speaker 1: showing my appreciation unlike millennials for things that happened before
Speaker 1: I was born. It's on the table now, all right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. We are now we're drifting, Mark, I
Speaker 1: like it. Things were okay and then you called out
Speaker 1: Greg and it's sent us down a further this week,
Speaker 1: and we still have to make sure that we crossed
Speaker 1: the hour barrier now. Now, all the listeners that have
Speaker 1: the around the NFL drinking game just got drunk because
Speaker 1: West made fun of millennials. And the Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the newall In Saints, the Seattle Seahawks, and Jacksonville Jaguars
Speaker 1: all off this week. But still there are games to
Speaker 1: talk about, because we already had the two teams from Thursday,
Speaker 1: and then two plus four equals sixty two minus six
Speaker 1: is the team games to talk about. More drinking game
Speaker 1: fodder on fire, all right? So yes, why don't let's
Speaker 1: not waste any time, guys, let's dive right into these
Speaker 1: previews and let us start um on the throne of me.
Speaker 1: Because you might have heard that a water back is
Speaker 1: back in action after a much deserved and warranted four
Speaker 1: game suspension for taking air out of footballs, which was
Speaker 1: proven conclusively. Uh, none of this is true. We just
Speaker 1: move forward now that was That's something that happened. You
Speaker 1: can't fight it anymore. He served the suspension, so it
Speaker 1: definitely happened, and now he's back. Tom Brady is the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the New England Patriots again. No more Jake
Speaker 1: Brisket talk, Jake, that is the last time I'll ever
Speaker 1: use that drop. No Jimmy Garoppolo talk. Most likely, Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is a quarterback. And what happens mark He travels
Speaker 1: to Cleveland with his Patriots teammates to face the Browns,
Speaker 1: the only winless team in football. Uh, you cannot be feeling.
Speaker 1: You were very upset when the Redskins beat your Browns.
Speaker 1: They were your lock of the week. But there will
Speaker 1: be no such locks this week? Will there? Um? You
Speaker 1: know they will. I think they won't be a winless
Speaker 1: team comes Sunday night. Wow, I'm kidding O. It's you know,
Speaker 1: I'll say this about Cleveland and I and Greg echoed
Speaker 1: it in his power rankings that they've played hard every game.
Speaker 1: I know people think that's, uh, you know, should we
Speaker 1: get the lollipops out? I know, I agree it's but
Speaker 1: it's just that they have the number one rushing, tack
Speaker 1: and football. They're not some they're not absolutely function lists,
Speaker 1: but this is a buzz saw. I mean it's not
Speaker 1: just Tom Brady. They get Robbed Ninkovich back this week
Speaker 1: as well, and you know Bill Belichick has, uh, what's what?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna game plan fear Terrell prior not
Speaker 1: a whole lot else outside of stopping the run, And
Speaker 1: we I think we're gonna get a Tom Brady that
Speaker 1: is going to be ultra fired up, angry and ready
Speaker 1: to decimate whatever is in his way. We should add
Speaker 1: that Rob Gronkowski Mike Aroffalo report came out this week
Speaker 1: that the hamstring is still not ripe, and I guess
Speaker 1: inside that building there's some surprise that it hasn't recuperated
Speaker 1: at the rate that they expected. But Grunt came out
Speaker 1: on Wednesday and made some comments along the lines of
Speaker 1: he's looking to push to the next level and kind
Speaker 1: of get out there be more of a force on
Speaker 1: this offense. Well, he's not Gronk. They're show in it
Speaker 1: by how they're using him. Martellis Bennett is their best
Speaker 1: tight end right now, and they're not only the tight end,
Speaker 1: probably the best tight end the league. He's been the
Speaker 1: best tight end in football through four weeks. I think
Speaker 1: he's their new Gronk. While Gronk is on the show,
Speaker 1: his movement for two seventy five pounds is outrageous. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe he's moved this well before in his career, but
Speaker 1: I I don't remember. I mean, in terms of the
Speaker 1: open field and the running for that size is just crazy.
Speaker 1: Even if Gronk gets back, you would think they should
Speaker 1: make sure he's going to have a role going forward. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the plan, wasn't it, to have both of them.
Speaker 1: That's what they've tried to do ever since Aaron Hernandez
Speaker 1: got shuffled out of the league. This offense is gonna
Speaker 1: give defenses fits. You throw in Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan,
Speaker 1: Malcolm Mitchell, James White, the Garrett Blunt. This this offense
Speaker 1: is gonna have way too many weapons offensive he stopped.
Speaker 1: Once Gronk is healthy against the Brown secondary, that is
Speaker 1: low wattage to say the least it is, and you
Speaker 1: would think it's gonna get going. But the offensive line
Speaker 1: didn't play last well last week. This is a much
Speaker 1: easier matchup, you would think, and the defense didn't play
Speaker 1: well last week for the Patriots, so they're gonna be
Speaker 1: fired up to get back on track. Nikovic is a
Speaker 1: very important I think that's a huge deal addition for them,
Speaker 1: and they were a team. I think if you're gonna
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots, ball control offense, like the Bills showed
Speaker 1: last week, is what is the best way to do it.
Speaker 1: Certainly for the Browns, I think that's how they're going
Speaker 1: to try to attack them. Yeah, I mean, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna face the Redskins completely soft bellied run defense this week,
Speaker 1: and the Patriots are in about middle of the league
Speaker 1: stopping the run. But you know, I just don't see
Speaker 1: Cleveland winning this unless they absolutely played the perfect game.
Speaker 1: You'd have to How about this. The Browns have played
Speaker 1: everybody tight. They're they're due for a win. I mean
Speaker 1: at oh and three or four, and Tom Brady has
Speaker 1: been sunbathing and shooting commercials and been off the grid.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't hit the ground running and and pile
Speaker 1: up you know, five total yards this week. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: gonna take him a couple of weeks for the Patriots
Speaker 1: will be the page. What kind of game plan do
Speaker 1: you think they will unfurl with Brady. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: he's coming back. He's still Tom Brady. But maybe it
Speaker 1: isn't a complete departure from what they've been doing on
Speaker 1: ground in terms of, you know, favoring the run on
Speaker 1: some level, I think they'll throw a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be going deep down the field. But
Speaker 1: that's their team. I know Leglaire Blunt's played well, but
Speaker 1: their team is Edelman, Gronk, Bennett, short passing. Let let
Speaker 1: Brady do it. I know that Hugh Jackson is scheming
Speaker 1: well for these running backs, but Isaiah Crowell Crowell looks well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks much more explosive this year per carry guys
Speaker 1: in the league on the same team for the first
Speaker 1: time of any NFL team, while the Bengals are averaging
Speaker 1: three point four yards per carry. Hugh Jackson's gone, and
Speaker 1: he took his offense to Believeland. Let's move on, guys.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of the few remaining undefeated teams
Speaker 1: in football, the Philadelphia Eagles three and o. Coming off
Speaker 1: their bye week now, they travel to Detroit to face
Speaker 1: the Lions, who had a bad loss to a bad
Speaker 1: Bears team last week. So, uh, you know, even though,
Speaker 1: and listen, this is not stuff that I just tell everybody. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't call my mom and tell her this, but
Speaker 1: I can tell you guys this because your real football heads.
Speaker 1: I like this, Cooter. I got a question for you. Actually,
Speaker 1: this comes from Loyal podcast listener Drew Augustine. Did you
Speaker 1: catch what I said? Though? A Lions fan wants to know,
Speaker 1: does Dan still like that? Cooter? I love it? No,
Speaker 1: because I think I'm gonna give him a pass. That
Speaker 1: was the first bad Matt Stafford game in weeks. Uh.
Speaker 1: And let me just say, I'm not gonna lock this
Speaker 1: up or anything, but Greg Roosevelt, I really think that
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions could give the Eagles some fits here.
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I think this Eagles team, because
Speaker 1: of their defense, because they're a complete team, should take
Speaker 1: care of this game. I mean, the Lions are missing
Speaker 1: Ziggy Anza and DeAndre Levy from a defense that to me,
Speaker 1: was talent challenged to begin with. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can undersell how short they are defensively. They're also possibly
Speaker 1: missing starting cornerback Nevin Laws And for this game. And
Speaker 1: I made that name ups that's like Clive Walford British brothers.
Speaker 1: And I want to see how this Eagle's running game
Speaker 1: does against them the Eagles. Last time we saw the Eagles,
Speaker 1: didn't matter who was that running back, whether it's Smallwood
Speaker 1: or Barner. And they get Matthews back this week or Sprawls,
Speaker 1: they're all running pretty well behind this offensive line. Let
Speaker 1: me unpack that Cooter question for you. But the Lions
Speaker 1: scored one touchdown against the Titans. We're down thirty one
Speaker 1: to three against the Packers while the game was still
Speaker 1: now that's well, that's not fair. They had literally two
Speaker 1: or three drives before that score before they fell behind
Speaker 1: by three, and they started goes the trend. They played well,
Speaker 1: scored one touchdown against the Titans, they were down thirty
Speaker 1: one to three against the Packers, and they scored six
Speaker 1: points on offense against the Bears. You still like that, Cooter,
Speaker 1: And this is a matchups, This is a tough matchup.
Speaker 1: You think about what the Eagles did to the Steelers
Speaker 1: when they came into town, this secondary, which we thought
Speaker 1: was gonna be a weakness. They were jumping those routes
Speaker 1: against the show been they were all over We got you.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing in Philadelphia. Everyone's talking about
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz and that's the whole thing. But Jim Schwartz
Speaker 1: is a defensive coordinator who could win Coordinator of the Year.
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, it's the defense as much as
Speaker 1: the offense in that city right now. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: some team very unhappy. As a head coach, I would
Speaker 1: I think more of these times. I know you want
Speaker 1: to become a head coach, but he has gone everywhere
Speaker 1: he goes as a defensive coordinator. It is an absolute, victorious,
Speaker 1: lights out performance. This all the time. It's a different
Speaker 1: skill set between coordinating and being a head totally different.
Speaker 1: Maybe why keep trying to do that job over and
Speaker 1: over you Maybe guys like him and Josh McDaniels are
Speaker 1: meant to be. Course. I think he was a good
Speaker 1: I think he was an underrated head coach. I know
Speaker 1: he had some really he had some moments. He's a
Speaker 1: little chesty. He had some moments that he could learn from.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the team that he took over,
Speaker 1: the worst team in the lad he played pretty well.
Speaker 1: He was a little chest It's a complete indictment there.
Speaker 1: Every time the Eagles. I know what he's talking about too, Greg,
Speaker 1: I just haven't. I don't hear the mud a lot.
Speaker 1: He's peak sucking out there. Every every time the Eagles playing.
Speaker 1: We talked about this. Every time Carson Wentz registers another
Speaker 1: w it's an extra l for the Browns, and every
Speaker 1: time the Eagles win at all, it's another black mark
Speaker 1: on Chip Kelly. What's happening in Eagles in Eagles Land
Speaker 1: right now is a complete regime change. They couldn't be
Speaker 1: more of an A plus market and in these rookie
Speaker 1: quarterbacks they've been, They've benefited from the right schedules to start,
Speaker 1: they really have. It's not taking away from them, and
Speaker 1: it's continuing here. Why should we think the Lions are
Speaker 1: going to be the ones to make wins look bad?
Speaker 1: There isn't. These are the Eagles were talking about. By
Speaker 1: the way, there could be a course correction in the
Speaker 1: near future. That's just And to Greg's point, Wentz is
Speaker 1: demolishing teams. He isn't just skate getting by them by
Speaker 1: a point in a bunch of other stuff happening, Eagles
Speaker 1: in a route. Let's move on. You'll see, Greg, I'll
Speaker 1: show you, I'll show all your is suddenly a Lions
Speaker 1: fan down like I just like the lines better than
Speaker 1: everybody else. I don't know what moving on. Those Chicago Bears,
Speaker 1: who beat the Lions last week now travel to Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: UH to face the Cults, a Bears team that will
Speaker 1: be without Kevin White, who, for the second straight years
Speaker 1: on I R with a leg injury. I think this
Speaker 1: is a lower leg injury. So Kevin White, who was
Speaker 1: actually showing some signs of progress and growth against the lines,
Speaker 1: now is out of the picture. Is this one of
Speaker 1: those things where he could come back? Or is Kevin
Speaker 1: White history. They made it sound like he has a
Speaker 1: chance to return late in this season, but there's no
Speaker 1: way to These guys cannot catch a break. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this this would be a battle between two and one
Speaker 1: one of three teams West. And you know what that
Speaker 1: that means. This is a injured animal game. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna the injured animal game. Drop. No, do we have
Speaker 1: a No, we don't have anything, And testing have been
Speaker 1: improvisational skills here do you have been asked by multiple
Speaker 1: listeners to never play that again. But somewhere in the
Speaker 1: ether may exist. Okay, I want to make of making
Speaker 1: a statement. I I answered to no man including Chris Wesley.
Speaker 1: You are not beholding to anyone that if we want to.
Speaker 1: By the way, that was not an injured dog. It
Speaker 1: sounded like it was a puppy barking. And you know
Speaker 1: I got I got West, who's you know speaking about
Speaker 1: sound effect last week for people that haven't heard Bell
Speaker 1: and go work with Sarah McLaughlin, And they got people like,
Speaker 1: how could you do that? I love dogs. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna there's not gonna be sound drop of an actual
Speaker 1: injured dog. It just sounded bad. You sound put it
Speaker 1: my heartstrings? Dan, All right, here we go West. Let's
Speaker 1: Harris and Cults fans getting. We're getting a deep dive
Speaker 1: on this cult. All right, Next game Titans? It no West,
Speaker 1: tell us about Bears the Cults, two teams that desperately
Speaker 1: need to win. I didn't get up early to watch
Speaker 1: the London game last week, so I watched the Colts
Speaker 1: last night and I came away. I rate the Andrew
Speaker 1: luck is under fire. He starts this game with rookies
Speaker 1: at center, right guard, right tackle, five at least five
Speaker 1: or six drops. Let me let me quiz you guys
Speaker 1: on this who is the set get most targeted player
Speaker 1: on the Indianapolis Colt Jack Doylene. It's undersized, undrafted, unable
Speaker 1: to make defenders missed. Rookie running back Josh Ferguson the
Speaker 1: second most targets on this team. Not effectively, No, not
Speaker 1: effective at all. And there's this idea that Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: has weapons at receiver. He's got t Y Hilton and
Speaker 1: that's about it. He's got Philip door Set taking the leap.
Speaker 1: He's good for like one huge catchy game. So I'm
Speaker 1: past to get sacks sixty times. They haven't had a
Speaker 1: hundred yard rusher since two thousand twelve. He scores twenty
Speaker 1: seven points, which in most years is the top five
Speaker 1: offense if you scored twenty seven points, and he's under
Speaker 1: fire all week. Andrew Luck is the furthest thing from
Speaker 1: a problem on this team. People are giving Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: crap for being one of the worst. I think there's
Speaker 1: a disaster situation for him. It's not his fault. Sometimes
Speaker 1: people you want to just give a pass two players
Speaker 1: out of reputation. You watch these games, and West is
Speaker 1: a hundred percent right. Andrew Luck for these four games
Speaker 1: deserves the past. Didn't play great in Denver. The other
Speaker 1: three games. He is trying to lift up allows the organization. Well,
Speaker 1: and we've said this a thousand times. Outside of Andrew Luk,
Speaker 1: this is a poorly put together team. And you know,
Speaker 1: I heard from someone who's in the London game that
Speaker 1: people upstairs in the in the Cults booth were not
Speaker 1: happy with what was happening during that game, and they
Speaker 1: have a reason to be. One guy was promptly dismissed
Speaker 1: from the team, Antonio Crimarty, who had two or three penalties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see how Moore has gone because he couldn't cover at linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think there's signs that this defense is getting to
Speaker 1: be actually an NFL defense. Vante Davis is back and
Speaker 1: not by far the best defensive player they stopped to run.
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of the offensive talent around and
Speaker 1: but I think this is one of the biggest games
Speaker 1: that sounds weird in the Pagano, Griggs and era because
Speaker 1: you lose at home to the Bears, one of the
Speaker 1: worst teams in the league. After first of all, you
Speaker 1: asked the league not to have a bye week after
Speaker 1: you're coming home from London. See how that plays out,
Speaker 1: and you're one in four with a home loss. To
Speaker 1: the Bears after Jim Mercy just signed these two guys
Speaker 1: to two thousand and nineteen. If you read the articles
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis and the fan base there, they're all they're
Speaker 1: all going nuts because they're thinking, this is the same
Speaker 1: Pagano nonsense we've seen for four years. Why did you
Speaker 1: let him convince you to keep the job? You you you
Speaker 1: were gonna get rid of him this whole years, your
Speaker 1: general manager, both of them. Here's uh some stats to
Speaker 1: back up some of the dreadful uh line play in
Speaker 1: front of Andrew Luck. He's been sacked fifteen times. It's
Speaker 1: last in the NFL. He's been hit thirty thirty one times,
Speaker 1: It's thirty one in the league. They're averaging just eighty
Speaker 1: eight yards on the on the ground, that's twenty four
Speaker 1: and they only have five rushes of ten plus yards,
Speaker 1: which is tied for last. I mean, there's just nothing
Speaker 1: cooking on this offense. And you have, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback and he's just stuck on a terrible team.
Speaker 1: This is even worse we talked about. Is he the
Speaker 1: new Dan Marino. At least Dan Reno had some uh
Speaker 1: real tools around him and he could run up to score.
Speaker 1: This guy's just taken a pound. It's a depressing team
Speaker 1: because they could have done so much more with what
Speaker 1: they had over the last couple of years. I want
Speaker 1: to do one positive thing about the Colts this week.
Speaker 1: The inconvenient truth. Frank Gore can pass Jim Brown on
Speaker 1: the all time rushing leaders list. He passed Marshall Falk
Speaker 1: and Marcus Allen last week. He's going up to number nine.
Speaker 1: He's going to Canton. Do you hear that Mark Frank
Speaker 1: Gore better than Jim Brown. That's I hate to be
Speaker 1: smirched your favorite player, but I know you and Mark
Speaker 1: like the way he's running. He's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: There are no big plays coming from that running back position.
Speaker 1: He to me, he is not part of the problem.
Speaker 1: He's a role player who they have failed by putting
Speaker 1: him giving him too many carries. That's what I thought
Speaker 1: he was the final piece of the puzzle. He's been
Speaker 1: good for ten carries a week. He's averaging over four
Speaker 1: and four point three yards for carry. He's running well
Speaker 1: in the first half. They they're counting on him way
Speaker 1: too much. Right, There's just the run game is dead
Speaker 1: on arrival. In general, it has been for years in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Another reason that Andrew Luck is struggling stch out. This
Speaker 1: isn't a gimme game for them. I can't. Let's move
Speaker 1: on another matchup of one and three teams. The Tennessee Tytoons,
Speaker 1: who came in Reel OH on the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: Power Poll UH this week, travel now to Miami to
Speaker 1: face the Dolphins, a game that could be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how the weather plays roll in this hurricane Matthew
Speaker 1: rolling up the coast, just rolled through Haiti unfortunately coming
Speaker 1: up the shoreline. Greg made sure to say Dan be
Speaker 1: prepared to talk about the hurricane before the show today.
Speaker 1: Here I am talking about the storm. Bro. Have you
Speaker 1: seen the visuals in this hurricane? High end visual radar
Speaker 1: looks like an evil clown. Right by the time people
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, you know, the hurricane will be
Speaker 1: rolling through. It will have happened. But who knows if
Speaker 1: if it's as bad as as some people say, this
Speaker 1: game could be delayed or canceled. They are battening down
Speaker 1: the hatches in Tybee Island right now. Well, my parents
Speaker 1: live in South Carolina and just had to flee to Georgia.
Speaker 1: They canceled Dolphins. I don't know if they canceled practice,
Speaker 1: but they sent home all. Um. So, Mark Cessilo, let's
Speaker 1: work under the assumption that this game is played and
Speaker 1: everybody's okay, uh, who is a better team here? Who's
Speaker 1: the better team? That's that's a tough one. I mean
Speaker 1: I I think the Tennessee does one thing well where
Speaker 1: the Dolphins don't, and that is Tennessee. Whether we like
Speaker 1: their offense or not. They can't throw, They have no
Speaker 1: passing game, but they are moving the ball in the ground.
Speaker 1: They are third in the carry third in the league
Speaker 1: in yards per carrying. The Dolphins have ranked run defense.
Speaker 1: It's a good matchup if it's one of those, this
Speaker 1: is the kind of game Tennessee wants to get in. Um.
Speaker 1: There are very one dimensional offense, but they you know,
Speaker 1: after the Dolphins, you've got the Browns, the Colts, the Jags,
Speaker 1: and the Chargers. For Tennessee, this is a chance to
Speaker 1: get right. You gotta start by taking down this Dolphins
Speaker 1: team right here. And if they if if Mike Belarkey's
Speaker 1: Titans want to be what they talked about, this is
Speaker 1: a this is a good opportunity to showcase that I
Speaker 1: still don't know if I trust them very much, though
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be what they talked about.
Speaker 1: I think that Chip his salem. I mean, the running
Speaker 1: the ball terribly. The running backs look good. They feel
Speaker 1: like the offensive line has a chance to be good.
Speaker 1: They could do that, couldn't they Mariotta act. When I
Speaker 1: watched that, I thought he showed a little more last week.
Speaker 1: He's got a long way to come from. At least
Speaker 1: it felt like a little bit of an improvement from
Speaker 1: from Mariota in the offense last week. And then on
Speaker 1: the Dolphins side, guys, you have, uh Miami coming off
Speaker 1: a terrible Thursday night performance, had some extra time now
Speaker 1: four straight road home games to save their season. West,
Speaker 1: what are you seeing from Miami? Right? It's not often
Speaker 1: that you scratch your head over a coach's decision like
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze playing four different running backs with no rhyme
Speaker 1: or reason for what roll they're in, and it's it's
Speaker 1: even more rare for the coach to come out and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's bad coaching, my mistake. I guess I won't play
Speaker 1: all four running back, but no rhymer reason we're gonna
Speaker 1: start and I think Arian Foster's at least returned to
Speaker 1: individual drills, so maybe he's close to coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's gonna be back. Not to
Speaker 1: mention one of those four running back to Isaiah Pde,
Speaker 1: it's just like, hey, we're gonna keep our rotation four
Speaker 1: at a time. Like why it was a bizarre thing
Speaker 1: by Adam Gaze. You know, when I watched his postgame
Speaker 1: press conference, I know you don't want to get too
Speaker 1: much into that, but I thought, I don't know, is
Speaker 1: this guy a head coach? Like well, I will say
Speaker 1: the players like him a lot. They've talked about that,
Speaker 1: they really dig him in. Something I will say this
Speaker 1: is quarterback is Ryan Tannehill. He This is the lowest
Speaker 1: moment I think right now for anyone that's ever wanted
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill to to play well because this marriage with
Speaker 1: games like your right, this is bad. The offensive line
Speaker 1: is bad. And I only said that about Gaze because
Speaker 1: he I think if he learned something from his rookie see,
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll want to take these ups and
Speaker 1: downs as much as he has been. He was destroyed
Speaker 1: and distraught and just kind of flying like all over
Speaker 1: the place after this game, and you you could see
Speaker 1: how much I'll give him time on that. That's what
Speaker 1: you learn. Well, that's some move on, guys. Talk about
Speaker 1: a inter conference battle. You're talking about an NFC team
Speaker 1: playing in an I never really understood the point of
Speaker 1: even saying that ever, because I don't think everyone but
Speaker 1: no one but the world doesn't know what's right inter intrigue?
Speaker 1: Then how about cross conference? How about this conference game?
Speaker 1: If non conference and conference intra would be within the division? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so inter conference matchup between the Washington Redskins and Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens very close in fact, the why don't you call
Speaker 1: at the Battle of Chesapeake Bay? Sure? Why not? That works?
Speaker 1: The week five research notes tell me that these teams
Speaker 1: are just forty miles apart. Maron, how about that for geography? Uh?
Speaker 1: And here's where these two teams are right now, at
Speaker 1: the quarter pole. Don't tell me otherwise. How do we
Speaker 1: get by without that? And iugget you just dropped on us.
Speaker 1: That's the most surprising use of my ron we've had
Speaker 1: on the podcast. The Redskins have one two in a row.
Speaker 1: After a dreadful owen to start um, they beat the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns last week, and then you have the Ravens
Speaker 1: who are three and oh, and then they get snipped
Speaker 1: by the Oakland Raiders for their first loss of the season.
Speaker 1: Um West, your thoughts on this matchup, which will not
Speaker 1: include Justin for Set by the way, who was released
Speaker 1: earlier this week. First of all, let me just admire
Speaker 1: you're sticking it to the horse racing industry with quarter
Speaker 1: pool in a game in Baltimore horse racing country. Nicely done. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite last up, top baby quarter pool.
Speaker 1: Go on. I don't think we gave the Ravens enough
Speaker 1: respect in the power pool. And here's why they're three
Speaker 1: and one. I think they were thirteen and I had
Speaker 1: them fifth. I was gonna ask you why there are
Speaker 1: three and one. And we have this sense that they're
Speaker 1: lucky to be three and one because they had close
Speaker 1: games and they haven't played real tough competition yet. But
Speaker 1: there are reasons to believe this team is getting stronger.
Speaker 1: Speaking of coaches admitting they made a mistake in the backfield,
Speaker 1: Justin Forest is no longer gonna weigh down this running game.
Speaker 1: Terence West ran great last week, got stronger throughout the
Speaker 1: game Kenneth Dixon, who might be their best three down
Speaker 1: running back skill set wise, is healthy now and coming back.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to play this week, make his debut. And
Speaker 1: I think when you see Steve Smith play, he's playing
Speaker 1: like two thousand fifteen Steve Smith. Brashot Pereman can get
Speaker 1: better throughout the season and add an element they haven't
Speaker 1: had there in Baltimore. I think there are reasons to
Speaker 1: believe this offense is just gonna get better throughout this
Speaker 1: And if you watch what happened not just last week,
Speaker 1: but in previous weeks where Cleveland ran right through Washington's defense.
Speaker 1: To the point where I have watched probably hundreds of
Speaker 1: Browns games, I have never seen a day where Isaiah
Speaker 1: Krawl in that case, but any running back just waltz
Speaker 1: past the first level of defense and had a prairie
Speaker 1: land of open space. Marine looked awesome against them. It's
Speaker 1: like it's one week after the next. Terence West, who's
Speaker 1: got fresh legs, who looks at completely different players this year.
Speaker 1: This is a great chance for him. West has on
Speaker 1: to something with this. Ravens are fun to watch the watch.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm with him on this can I
Speaker 1: just say, though, I'm just you know, just being fair. Here.
Speaker 1: The Oakland Raiders, a team of a t L nominee,
Speaker 1: knock off your Ravens. And then you're telling me how
Speaker 1: the Raiders do nothing for you, But they just beat
Speaker 1: the Ravens, who they were lucky to beat a team
Speaker 1: that have gained the day. It's luck, Okay. I see
Speaker 1: how we have the Raiders at eleven and the Ravens
Speaker 1: at twelve and the Raiders at eleven in our power poll,
Speaker 1: So what what what? What's the same In terms of
Speaker 1: them being fun to watch? I agree with because they're
Speaker 1: a team that has a lot of different parts that
Speaker 1: they're just bringing together, like you mentioned, that should get better.
Speaker 1: They've got Mike Wallace as a role player being effective.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what Mike Wallace should be. They
Speaker 1: actually have Mike Wallace in the slot. Sometimes they're getting creative.
Speaker 1: They got Kyle youth check the fullback out wide. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised to see Wallace making third down conversion. Steve Smith,
Speaker 1: Dennis Pitt. Dennis Pitt has a great comeback. Still got
Speaker 1: an intriguing rookie like Chris Moore who gets deep and
Speaker 1: and their defense is similar. I'm a little worried they
Speaker 1: don't have much of a pass rush, but it's similar
Speaker 1: in that they have a lot of different pieces I
Speaker 1: think coming together and they should get better. I think
Speaker 1: it's bad news for the rest of the a f
Speaker 1: C North already has been interesting. Moving on, gentlemen, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Houston Texans, now traveling to face another
Speaker 1: team of a TL nominee, the Minnesota Vikings. Undefeated on
Speaker 1: a short week after a Monday night win against the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, the Texans a little sneaky three and one.
Speaker 1: You don't hear a lot of like people excited about
Speaker 1: the Texans, but their first the first quarter of their
Speaker 1: season couldn't have gone much better. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: Mark there there's some reason to be concerned about Houston
Speaker 1: despite their record. I'm not overly impressed with brock Os
Speaker 1: Swidler at all. I think that there were times when
Speaker 1: he was playing better last season than he has this year.
Speaker 1: They've turned the ball over too many times. Lamar Miller
Speaker 1: what I think, zero rushing touchdowns and has been really
Speaker 1: not as spectacular as I thought he would be. And
Speaker 1: outside of Will Fuller, who is one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating first year players in the entire league. I don't
Speaker 1: think that offense is is is a great operation at
Speaker 1: this point there near the bottom of the league and
Speaker 1: points scored per game, and brock Ostwallder gives you one
Speaker 1: or two plays a game that absolutely killed them. You
Speaker 1: got you spent a lot of money on Brock Oswallder,
Speaker 1: Lamar Miller. You went and you got a wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the draft that's very talented. But a quarter of
Speaker 1: the way through the season you're ense and the problem
Speaker 1: Football Outsiders has them dead last and offense this season
Speaker 1: they have them as the twenty nine best team in
Speaker 1: the entire league, partly because they've had bad special teams too.
Speaker 1: And if you're a bad offense or an offense trying
Speaker 1: to figure things out, the last place you want to
Speaker 1: go is too. We need a nickname for this Minnesota
Speaker 1: Dome or something. Let's come up with the nickname the
Speaker 1: house technically a dome by the way, the house of
Speaker 1: beautiful light flowing through glass. That's not where you want.
Speaker 1: Speaking of improvising, Nona is animal related, like you tweet
Speaker 1: about that and it's half your tweet. You gotta think
Speaker 1: and character. This is your domain at the greenhouse fields
Speaker 1: in I mean for a team that's you know, almost
Speaker 1: essentially always described in purple. I like that. You know,
Speaker 1: when they host the Packers in the greenhouse in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: that's not exactly intimidating the greenhouse. We might be growing
Speaker 1: some plants and flowers here. Uh what about this game though?
Speaker 1: The Vikings, they seem well said, they look like a
Speaker 1: very tough team to beat at home. The only thing
Speaker 1: I will say that they've had two home games. Both
Speaker 1: have been in prime time with everybody just going insane,
Speaker 1: and it's a different type of vibe west in a
Speaker 1: game during the day. Do you think that could be
Speaker 1: a little different. They might not be as intimidating in
Speaker 1: their building. Well, I mean, that's one way to think
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, I'm I'm being dead serious. I
Speaker 1: think you talk about a hard place to go into
Speaker 1: in prime time and win. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough in the daytime too. Why not, it's gonna be loud.
Speaker 1: You're talking about a top three defense against Like Greg said,
Speaker 1: football outsiders were stranked offense. It's a mismatch in Minnesota's favor,
Speaker 1: and if you look at the offense for the Vikings too,
Speaker 1: I think you can see that they're better without Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 1: That sounds controversial, but he's a rather limited player in
Speaker 1: the fact that he doesn't run out of the shotgun,
Speaker 1: doesn't run pass routes, doesn't pass protect very well. It
Speaker 1: allows you to do more things without him. You can
Speaker 1: keep defenses guessing. Right. I understand that the Texans are
Speaker 1: three and one, I not truly I really look at
Speaker 1: them as a three and one team. Uh, this would
Speaker 1: be a huge upset to me if Houston went into
Speaker 1: Minnesota day or night in and took this one down,
Speaker 1: the one that was happening. The one thing Texans fans
Speaker 1: could look to is that the style of these two
Speaker 1: teams play lends itself to keeping it close to the vest.
Speaker 1: And you know that the Vikings don't get a big
Speaker 1: special teams played there two defense led teams as well
Speaker 1: as Sam Bradford's played this year. They're not scoring a
Speaker 1: lot of points. That's not who they are. Daniel Hunter
Speaker 1: is an absolute fascination to watch. On defense, They've got
Speaker 1: they keep bringing new players and find new guys. There
Speaker 1: is not a weak spot on that defense. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how Houston gets points in there. Here's here's
Speaker 1: a weird thing about Houston's offense to last year. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was a great stat about um uh new New
Speaker 1: Hopkins that he had you know, fifty and under receiving
Speaker 1: yards and over a hundred catches and he did it
Speaker 1: with what four different starting quarterbacks. Uh. This year he
Speaker 1: has the stability of a quarterback, but his numbers aren't there.
Speaker 1: And you look at oswhile his figures. Five of his
Speaker 1: six picks this season he's targeting Hopkins. So there's something
Speaker 1: off there with their Campi ship. That's something they gotta
Speaker 1: get figured out, because Hopkins makes that offense. Go. Let's
Speaker 1: move on, guys, let's talk about um my New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Speaking of buzz saws. This is a bad situation for
Speaker 1: the Jets and now UH in almost a must win
Speaker 1: game when you look at the playoff picture right now. Uh.
Speaker 1: They travel to Pittsburgh at one in three to face
Speaker 1: the Steelers. UH team that looked almost unbeatable against an
Speaker 1: overmatch Kansas City Chiefs team. Uh. The Steelers now have
Speaker 1: back Levan Bell as we know, so they're healthy. They're
Speaker 1: at home. The Jets are scrambling. Ryan Fitzpatrick has thrown
Speaker 1: h nine interceptions in two weeks. He's been a total disaster. Uh,
Speaker 1: this seems greg like a really tough sell to convince
Speaker 1: myself that the Jets are gonna come away with a
Speaker 1: win that gets their season back on track. It is.
Speaker 1: It is a tough sell. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: say about the Jets to make you feel better other
Speaker 1: than you know, I saw their schedule the rest of
Speaker 1: the way after Pittsburgh was actually rated by Football Outsiders
Speaker 1: the easiest in the NFL. That's what I've been saying.
Speaker 1: They had to get three and three through six games
Speaker 1: and then they could get things going. But but they're
Speaker 1: not pulling some far bad news. Their defense. Really, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to think about their defense. For instance, football,
Speaker 1: there's no we're quoting them a lot this week. They
Speaker 1: have the Jets of the worst team in the league.
Speaker 1: We have the Browns thirty one, the Jets thirty two,
Speaker 1: and that's partly because they have the Jets defense ran.
Speaker 1: They've struggled to get off the field and they've given
Speaker 1: up it's the turnovers to come on, Well, what's the
Speaker 1: Jets liability on defense? The secondary? They give up big place. Yes,
Speaker 1: what's the Steelers strength on offense? They attack relentlessly down
Speaker 1: the field. Ben Roethlisberger goes progressions. His progressions are touchdown,
Speaker 1: first down, checkdown, more than any quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: He's going touchdown first. And let me continue to pile
Speaker 1: on against the Jets here through Reeves, who we have
Speaker 1: a lot of indications is not Reeves anymore. Also has
Speaker 1: a bad hamstring. So you take the best player that
Speaker 1: they have in their secondary that may not be one
Speaker 1: of the best in the league anymore, and you slow
Speaker 1: them down with an injury. There is a lot working
Speaker 1: against him. That's the thing that's a good point. The
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick interceptions. That's gotten all the headlines, and he's been bad,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. But the thing that's really
Speaker 1: surprised me about this team this year is how the
Speaker 1: defense has not been good, especially the back end, which
Speaker 1: is getting burned over and over and over again for
Speaker 1: big plays by some no names, not just a j
Speaker 1: Green types guys that have been and they don't they
Speaker 1: don't have that kind of shows up in terms of
Speaker 1: the thing, I don't know where the pastor says they
Speaker 1: had seven sacks in week one, and they've gone back
Speaker 1: to being uh m, I A on the rush since
Speaker 1: I agree that the Fitzpatrick thing could be over valued
Speaker 1: versus other stuff. But eight of his interceptions are coming
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and you want to talk about
Speaker 1: putting your defense in bad positions, it's turning the ball over.
Speaker 1: I know there was, because a lot of those interceptions
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter have not been ones where the
Speaker 1: game was even in play. Was just he's forcing it down.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's the thing is we're getting the
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick that we were scared of all off season.
Speaker 1: He's again. I'm not downplaying Ryan Fitzpatrick. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that is only part of the reason why they've struggled
Speaker 1: so badly. I think we might have also underplayed the
Speaker 1: return of Levan Bell, or we just didn't talk about enough.
Speaker 1: Because D'Angelo Williams has been playing so well, you think, okay,
Speaker 1: well they are already we're running the ball. Well. They
Speaker 1: had a guy who was probably one of the best
Speaker 1: five or six running backs in the league. But Levian
Speaker 1: Bell to me is the best running back in the
Speaker 1: league until proven otherwise, and he showed it again in
Speaker 1: his first game back. I think David Johnson's great too,
Speaker 1: but to me, you gotta take the throw own and
Speaker 1: Levy on Bella's showed nothing. The difference in terms of
Speaker 1: defenses having to prepare for the best running back and
Speaker 1: most versatile running back and the best wide receiver on
Speaker 1: the same team, Suddenly it gets really tough to plan
Speaker 1: your defense. You always talk about double teams, and those
Speaker 1: are two of the best in the league, and they're
Speaker 1: on a team with Ben Roethlisberger throwing the ball to them,
Speaker 1: so that it just makes it so tough to defend.
Speaker 1: Brothlisberger is the most fun quarterback in the league to watch.
Speaker 1: He just relentlessly attacks down the field, not just with
Speaker 1: deep throws, but with accurate deep throws. Do we think
Speaker 1: that Eagles game was just a weird throwout scenario? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think every team gets one of those, don't you.
Speaker 1: That's a mulligan. I think you could maybe hit their
Speaker 1: defense up for some big points some weeks, but usually
Speaker 1: the Steelers are at least getting to shootout. Let's move on, folks,
Speaker 1: and here is to me the game of the week,
Speaker 1: the four pm Fox game. I would think that this
Speaker 1: will be Troy and it's gonna be Joey Bucks. Uh.
Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews on the side, I call him Joey big Bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Aaron Andrews on the sideline and she's all like, Hey,
Speaker 1: here's what's going on down here, back to the booth.
Speaker 1: That's what a sideline reporter does. That's what they do. Anyway.
Speaker 1: They Falcons are three in one, and they have the
Speaker 1: best offense in football. Oh here's a real one, greg
Speaker 1: my ro own first in total offense and scoring sixth
Speaker 1: and rushing first and passing tied for third in uh
Speaker 1: least term turnovers Atlanta doing everything right on offense. But
Speaker 1: now now the true test. They traveled to Denver to
Speaker 1: face the defending Super Bowl champions, undefeated and their defense,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling looking better than ever. Broncos defense is even
Speaker 1: better than last year. I think Denver fans might feel
Speaker 1: a pang of nostalgia for their two thousand thirteen offense
Speaker 1: because this Falcons offense reminiscent of that one, the two
Speaker 1: thousand seven Patriots and the two thousand Rams. That is
Speaker 1: high praise. As far as statistically they are right there
Speaker 1: with those offenses. They aren't a place to break the
Speaker 1: record for most yards in a season. But do you
Speaker 1: do you think they have the personnel to come close
Speaker 1: to any of those records. Well, here's the thing. The
Speaker 1: Broncos have not allowed a hundred a hundred passer rating
Speaker 1: in twenty nine games. In the last seven games against
Speaker 1: basically a murderer's row of quarterbacks Big Ben Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, Cam Newton twice, Tom Brady and Jamis Winston,
Speaker 1: fifty nine passer rating with a three to eight touchdown
Speaker 1: to interception ratio three touchdowns against in those seven games
Speaker 1: they've allowed through the air. I think that you have
Speaker 1: to give the edge to the Broncos. Absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: so too. I mean, it's also it's in Denver, an
Speaker 1: impossible place to operate. But you know, the Falcons are
Speaker 1: sitting at number eight in our power poll and that
Speaker 1: would have been an unthinkable thing three weeks ago. And
Speaker 1: it's because of what we're seeing every week. No matter
Speaker 1: where they go, what they do, they are dolling up
Speaker 1: big plays and points. Matt Ryan is playing an m
Speaker 1: VP level and you know, for all the stuff on
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, I have never seen him as an m
Speaker 1: v P player ever before, not in any season. Well,
Speaker 1: this game features one and two in my m VP rankings,
Speaker 1: which you can find at NFL dot Von Miller number
Speaker 1: one in the race. I totally can buy that because
Speaker 1: he is the he finished his games, he wins games.
Speaker 1: The first two weeks of the year for them, and
Speaker 1: the Falcons have been great, and they they beat a
Speaker 1: good defense last week. But sometimes the schedule makers just
Speaker 1: set you up as a football fan, and they get
Speaker 1: the Broncos this week and the Seahawks next week, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what you want to see. And I and
Speaker 1: I kind of doubt the Falcons are gonna win either
Speaker 1: one of those games because they're not balanced. Their defense
Speaker 1: is worse than it was last year, that they are
Speaker 1: one of the worst defenses in the league after actually
Speaker 1: being in the middle of the pack last week. And
Speaker 1: to me, Denver is a much more balanced team. We
Speaker 1: haven't even mentioned. We don't know who they're starting quarterbacks
Speaker 1: is gonna be. But I think they can find enough offense,
Speaker 1: whether it's Paxiston Lynch or Trevorson. I think they could
Speaker 1: find more offense with Paxiston Lynch potentially, is it Is
Speaker 1: it possible with the Falcons and offense, Like just like
Speaker 1: you said, Mark three weeks ago, you know, it was
Speaker 1: unthinkable that we'd be talking about him this way. Three
Speaker 1: weeks from now, we'll be like, oh, everybody got that
Speaker 1: last year about how good this offense is. I know,
Speaker 1: I know that they're a better, deeper offense, but it's
Speaker 1: not like this is a totally different team than last year,
Speaker 1: so they could definitely regress to the mean. Well, I
Speaker 1: think Mohamed Sanu, I mean, all right, and for people
Speaker 1: that are watching this having no idea what's happening here,
Speaker 1: it's it's a math burn on me after I showed
Speaker 1: incorrect math knowledge on a later podcast earlier in the week.
Speaker 1: A later podcast earlier in the week, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. I mean, I think that the addition
Speaker 1: of Mohammed Sanu is been huge here, and yet said
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, last week is shattering records has not done
Speaker 1: not just it's that you've you're mixing in Taylor Gabriel
Speaker 1: on Aldrick Robinson, which provides a speed element. You've got
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper at tight end, who's a good athlete. You've
Speaker 1: got six or seven options now where last year you
Speaker 1: have won. But to me, when those guys are producing
Speaker 1: that's just a sign that the offensive line and Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Matt Ryan and especially those two running backs
Speaker 1: taking up so much attention are producing because those guys
Speaker 1: are are journeyman. Well, there are role players, and they're
Speaker 1: being used in the right role. Absolutely, But that to
Speaker 1: me shows you what a strong tea. If you're strong
Speaker 1: enough to to showcase those guys, then that means the running.
Speaker 1: The running game to me is well. And Alex Mack
Speaker 1: is quietly one of the best free agent signings around
Speaker 1: the league. He's a center, so no one talks about it,
Speaker 1: but he did that in Cleveland, quietly one of the
Speaker 1: toughest pivots in the NFL. And it's it's happening again
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Are you okay with that? Are you happy
Speaker 1: that he's succeeding elsewhere? Yes, I it's I you know,
Speaker 1: Alex Mack deserves it. I mean, he he's a huge
Speaker 1: part of what's happening there. I think that the whole
Speaker 1: line changes with him in there. Could be you don't
Speaker 1: like succeed elsewhere, Guys, look at it's so all that,
Speaker 1: you mean, I can't troll all that before we move on.
Speaker 1: Anybody want to hang some Zeppelin on the falcons this week.
Speaker 1: Just now you notice these um onions are sitting on
Speaker 1: top of the grown got a student versus mentor game? Here,
Speaker 1: Gary Kubia can call Shanahan, and Shanahan's got the hotter
Speaker 1: hand right now he does. And and after rewatching Paxton Lynch,
Speaker 1: I did think there was you know, and he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't have time to prepare. But there was a
Speaker 1: downgrade going from Simeon. I mean, he did look like
Speaker 1: a rookie that that you would expect to see. He's
Speaker 1: got the raw talent. And maybe if you have a
Speaker 1: week to get him ready for this game and you've
Speaker 1: got an easy opponent, he'll look better. But I think
Speaker 1: it is a downgrade if you go to the rook
Speaker 1: a tutor verse mentor game west, But where does that
Speaker 1: follow on your wounded animals? The mentor has darker hair
Speaker 1: than the tutor, Well, he's got darker hair than the
Speaker 1: entire is a jet stream, so it happens when you
Speaker 1: put shoe polosh on your head. Let's move on. I
Speaker 1: wasn't saying that a Coach of the Year right now,
Speaker 1: that was an interesting wormhole to travel down. Good job, uh,
Speaker 1: Next up, let's talk about the Cincinnati bent Oh interconference guys,
Speaker 1: non conference, pretty confident. A cross conference to conference between
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati ben Gals at two and two against the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Everybody all excited about the Dallas Cowboys. This
Speaker 1: is the four late game on CBS. Jim Nance, he
Speaker 1: got some sims. Hey, g M, I really like this
Speaker 1: matchup between Andy Dalton. Yeah, I can't get enough of
Speaker 1: the folksy color man. Uh so, this is a very
Speaker 1: good matchup here. Um Dak Prescott looking tremendous. Chris Westling
Speaker 1: this season. Still no interceptions, but it's gonna change against
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati d isn't it. I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: like what I see with Dak Prescott. I see a
Speaker 1: little Russell Wilson in him. His elusiveness, his intelligence, his poise.
Speaker 1: I know Greg doesn't want to use the word poise,
Speaker 1: but Dascott has done that and he's hard to take down.
Speaker 1: He's very elusive. Ezekiel Elliott getting stronger as the season
Speaker 1: goes along. I loved what I saw him last week.
Speaker 1: If he gets twenty carries against the Bengals, will become
Speaker 1: the first in history twenty carries in each of his
Speaker 1: team's first five games. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: that happening. I think that will happen. I should say,
Speaker 1: barring a total, you know we're gonna go. I don't
Speaker 1: live say Elliot's gonna get twenty. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going out on a land. That's what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying in a game. Get crazy about that,
Speaker 1: I'm not. Can we agree to stop with all the
Speaker 1: nonsense about Dak Prescott keeping Tony Romo at Bay? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that. I don't think the team's thinking that. So
Speaker 1: why should we be alright? I don't know. Well, let's
Speaker 1: see him play play some other teams they were we
Speaker 1: all we all think he's playing great, and they're three
Speaker 1: and one. If there's seven and one, there's not gonna
Speaker 1: be any discussion internally about this. It's not like Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott's gonna prance away in free agency. He's the future
Speaker 1: at the position, but there's someone else. It's best left
Speaker 1: for narrative podcast, which this one is not. Tony Romo
Speaker 1: allows your offense to do so many different things. Let's
Speaker 1: think about that when he is seven and one, three
Speaker 1: and one, let's see him against a better than average defense,
Speaker 1: because it hasn't happened yet, and that that's not taking
Speaker 1: anything away. It's incredible how well he's playing against any
Speaker 1: NFL defense, But the best team they've played is the Giants,
Speaker 1: and the next three or some of the three worst defense. Well,
Speaker 1: I am looking forward to this game for both teams
Speaker 1: because I don't know what I have yet. In the Bengals,
Speaker 1: it was a very encouraging performance you have against Miami.
Speaker 1: They're they're they're all playing for me. This is my
Speaker 1: league and my entertain the great and powerful. And I
Speaker 1: don't really know what I have with this Cowboys team either.
Speaker 1: They've played some and you know what you have, You're gonna,
Speaker 1: they're gonna, they're gonna tell me. Here's what Gregg doesn't
Speaker 1: Why do you keep pointing behind me by These are
Speaker 1: the team logos are right there, logos? You know for
Speaker 1: the people watching, you're turning your head away from the camera.
Speaker 1: The segment telegenion, the benefit. Yeah, here's what you don't have.
Speaker 1: For the Bengals, you don't have Tyler Eiffort because he
Speaker 1: had a setback this week. According to rap Sheet not
Speaker 1: Angle related either and you might not have Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. He didn't practice on Wednesday. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying about. They haven't played a
Speaker 1: titanic opponent to Dallas Cowboys. But any rookie quarterback that's
Speaker 1: not turning the ball over at all at this point
Speaker 1: in the season, there's more than just the opponent. Course.
Speaker 1: I I have spent a lot of minutes on this
Speaker 1: podcast talking up Doc Prescott. All I'm saying is I
Speaker 1: want to say see how this is. Greg is constantly
Speaker 1: just Greg's bringing it back to Greg. Let him play
Speaker 1: a real team. Let's see him. They're all real teams.
Speaker 1: Let's pick this game, Mark, pick and score. Who's in it?
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm going Dallas, Baby, this is in Dallas.
Speaker 1: They're gonna win. I can't believe I'm doing this for
Speaker 1: the second week in a row. I'm picking my hometown
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. Interesting. Uh oh, this is a good one.
Speaker 1: This is a tough one, dall Is it hone? Not
Speaker 1: the most dominant the Bees that's going on the points?
Speaker 1: What if we could see your thoughts? Uh? Three Bengals? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like the Bengals. Oh, I got a hero picking.
Speaker 1: It's home team, hero pick. They're gonna miss the home
Speaker 1: crowd they had in San Francisco. Sounds like you know
Speaker 1: what you have in the Bengals to say it's not
Speaker 1: allow that would be if I'm correct. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on, folks, and uh we'll talk about the hometown
Speaker 1: team here in uh Los Angeles. The Rams on a
Speaker 1: random and uh, ultimately one might guess misleading three game
Speaker 1: winning streak to move to three and one at the
Speaker 1: top to NFC West. And I was like, oh, give
Speaker 1: the Rams from respect, all right, bro, what a couple
Speaker 1: more games and then I'm gonna get in. Otherwise I'm
Speaker 1: gonna still view this as a blip on the season.
Speaker 1: Fair stand And here come the Bills. And you want
Speaker 1: to talk about teams that turn their fortunes around. The
Speaker 1: Bills were owing too, with a brutal schedule ahead against
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and against the Patriots. Then they go and
Speaker 1: win both those games. Everybody's trying to figure out, now
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Bills, and they're getting a
Speaker 1: little healthy. Shack Lawson's back on the on the grid.
Speaker 1: Now there their first round pick, uh, the Bills at
Speaker 1: Rams uh and here's the thing, though, I am a
Speaker 1: certified expert. I have the documentation on my wall in
Speaker 1: my study. Uh, and I'm gonna tell you something it
Speaker 1: Uh the re Expert Academy based in uh Florigen Park.
Speaker 1: They haven't moved their offices yet. Uh. This is one
Speaker 1: of those classic Rex got you pumped up, You got
Speaker 1: your two big ws. He's feeling confident. Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: hit the wings too hard with his brother over the week.
Speaker 1: Then it studies hard for the upcoming opponent. The team
Speaker 1: comes out flat, and I gotta lock it up that
Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna lose this game. After two amazing wins,
Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna show up flat and get beat
Speaker 1: by a Rams team that isn't even that good flying
Speaker 1: across the country. It doesn't help. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of Rams fans heard what you said in terms of
Speaker 1: a classic Rex Ryan game, and they probably thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is a classic Jeff Fisher game right when they
Speaker 1: get you excited. This Rams offense is counting on case
Speaker 1: Keenum to make creative crazy plays each week or else
Speaker 1: they don't really have much of an offense that's tough
Speaker 1: to count on each week. If if, if you could
Speaker 1: put money on that this that NFL game was going
Speaker 1: to be decided by some bone headed penalty. This would
Speaker 1: be the game to do it. Well, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like these two and Buffalo, you know, dating
Speaker 1: under Rex Ryan, it's been one of the most undisciplined teams,
Speaker 1: penalty heavy squads out there, and Jeff Fisher has ranked
Speaker 1: I think in the bottom five and penalties for many
Speaker 1: straight years. And that's when I watched that Cardinals games.
Speaker 1: I still I'm a little worried about this Rams team
Speaker 1: because it's the same formula that it's always been. Dumb penalties,
Speaker 1: bad challenges, ugly the game up. That's what Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: wants to do and you hope you win and that
Speaker 1: usually doesn't work. Over the course of sixteen games, five
Speaker 1: to two final, it sounds realistic. Where are we? Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question, guys, where are we now?
Speaker 1: Thirty two games? I'm that's sure. How many starts into
Speaker 1: the Tyrod Taylor era are we? What do we think
Speaker 1: about Tyrod Taylor? H here's my thoughts. He changes from
Speaker 1: week to week. He does. There's no like set offense
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. They don't have a system. They let Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor get loose on the edges, throw the ball outside
Speaker 1: the numbers. They don't use the middle of the field
Speaker 1: at all except for the running game. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if it speaks so highly of a quarterback when
Speaker 1: they're running. And this could be just all Rex, but
Speaker 1: they run so much wildcat well, and that Rex loves that.
Speaker 1: Rex Rex, who does the time seem to be trapped
Speaker 1: in a decade ago, uh, you know, on offense at least,
Speaker 1: absolutely likes these mobile quarterbacks that he struggled to prepare for,
Speaker 1: so he thinks doing the same thing to other teams
Speaker 1: is a win. And if the Bills totally bottomed out,
Speaker 1: which looks like they won't potentially at this point, I
Speaker 1: would not have a problem with that team looking for
Speaker 1: a different quarterback to at least compete with Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is your guy forever, but he's
Speaker 1: better option they've had for years. I think when they
Speaker 1: changed coordinators, they didn't want Taylor just dropping back and
Speaker 1: surveying the field quite as much because that was not
Speaker 1: work in the first few weeks. Well in the past.
Speaker 1: Coordinator favored at times last season e J Manuel, We're
Speaker 1: so used to you know, kind of admiring scripted quarterbacks
Speaker 1: because that's how you get consistency in the NFL. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things about Taylor to admire to. He's
Speaker 1: the best. I think he's the best running quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think Russell Wilson I think in terms
Speaker 1: of pure scrambling running skills, maybe not throwing the ball
Speaker 1: after you do it. I think it's part of being
Speaker 1: a successful running quarterback is that you don't get hurt
Speaker 1: doing it, which he's not. He's not been able to
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Here's what separates Russell Wilson about Taylor. Has
Speaker 1: he had major injury problems, missed a couple of games
Speaker 1: last games last year, Taylor might be quicker. Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: decision making as a scrambler is so much better. Well,
Speaker 1: we know that Russell Wilson is among those group of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are preparing unlike anyone else. He's one of
Speaker 1: the most you know, obsessed football guys out there. And
Speaker 1: not the tailor isn't but Russell Wilson the overall package
Speaker 1: and and he's gonna be scrambling in this game because
Speaker 1: the Rams have the best player in the league in
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, who I think is an m VP candidates
Speaker 1: the best player in the league I think so far.
Speaker 1: If I had to choose an MV but I thought
Speaker 1: that was a good choice, they would be in my
Speaker 1: top three. It's not a big difference. I think he's
Speaker 1: been great and the Rams bring so much pressure. I
Speaker 1: mean they were pressuring Carson Palmer right into the last
Speaker 1: play of the game. Laste, I mean Andrews as Donald
Speaker 1: does have the most QB hits in the league so
Speaker 1: far in first two weeks in the year. The Rams,
Speaker 1: and they've done this to it to further extended weeks
Speaker 1: three and four, are forcing quarterbacks to pass quicker than
Speaker 1: any other team in the league at times, and that's pressure. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's going to be an issue for Tyrod Taylor. One
Speaker 1: last thing I want to see if Rex and this
Speaker 1: linebacker corps, which Zach Brown I know we talked about
Speaker 1: him Sunday night, was absolutely phenomenal in that game. Are
Speaker 1: they going to approach the Rams offense a little bit
Speaker 1: different than other teams have where they concentrate so much
Speaker 1: on shutting down Todd Gurley that you allow Case Keenum
Speaker 1: all these open windows and the Rams have taken advantage
Speaker 1: of that for three straight weeks. Let's move on, guys,
Speaker 1: and now it's time to talk about intrus state battle
Speaker 1: within the same you know zone if you will. It's
Speaker 1: our state. Yes, it is the San Diego Chargers taking
Speaker 1: on the Oakland Raiders. The Raiders, it says, according to
Speaker 1: us our research guide, are four and oh. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's accurate, is it? That's not accurate? All
Speaker 1: of that work they've done for you over the years,
Speaker 1: and you drive the bus fight over them. I mean
Speaker 1: accuracy is important. The Raiders are not four oh, they
Speaker 1: are three and one, I believe. Uh. So they host
Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers at one in three easily. Now
Speaker 1: the Chargers could be four and are you saying the
Speaker 1: Raiders are not what their record says they are, well,
Speaker 1: literally on this page. But they are three and one,
Speaker 1: and I stand by them as a three and one team.
Speaker 1: I think they're a good team and a fun team.
Speaker 1: That's why they're my team of a t no nominee,
Speaker 1: nice try West. Uh. The Chargers, though, are one in
Speaker 1: three and they're getting their guts ripped out every week.
Speaker 1: What do we think? Right? I think these are two
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed teams, because the Raiders have totally changed from
Speaker 1: the Al Davis years into a team that just doesn't
Speaker 1: beat themselves. They don't turn the ball over, they don't
Speaker 1: allow sacks, they don't particularly go deep down the field.
Speaker 1: They play very conservative, whereas the Chargers go out of
Speaker 1: their way to beat themselves. They can't find a lead
Speaker 1: that they can't lose. I think they expect to lose.
Speaker 1: You want to hear something crazy there One in two
Speaker 1: this year, when they've led by thirteen points in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter one and two, that's three games in four weeks.
Speaker 1: The rest of the NFL in that situation is twenty
Speaker 1: eight and oh, so I would say what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that's not going to keep happening over and over.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's true, but it did for
Speaker 1: the whole second half of last season and now through
Speaker 1: fourth That's that the problem there is that goes right
Speaker 1: back to the coaching staff along. It's not just the players.
Speaker 1: I mean, something is breaking down on a wild general
Speaker 1: level for the Chargers. Well, Mike McCoy is not good
Speaker 1: at head coaching probably right. I am not making that statement.
Speaker 1: I just think that there would be because I there's
Speaker 1: more than just all that, but Mike McCoy has definitely
Speaker 1: got to be someone that is going to be in
Speaker 1: hot seat material if they keep this up. Just say,
Speaker 1: I think Mike McCoy sucks. I don't think. Listen you
Speaker 1: why don't you say that we have live satellite in
Speaker 1: San Diego. Oh no, I don't know why a whimpering
Speaker 1: man doesn't bother me, but a whimpering dog doesn't. If
Speaker 1: it bothers me. With the whimbering man, this sound effect
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be bothering. Uh, Mike McCoy that he
Speaker 1: doesn't have might not have Jason Varette partially torn a
Speaker 1: c L cornerback that not too many people will come
Speaker 1: back from a partially torn a c L. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: he's he's played through it, I believe for the last
Speaker 1: two weeks without anyone really knowing. They knew he was hurt,
Speaker 1: but he was on the field. Not overly effective, but
Speaker 1: that's a killer loss because he's one of the best
Speaker 1: cornerbacks in league in this defense. For all the talent
Speaker 1: they have, I think is underperformed. Mark, can you break
Speaker 1: down the physiological um breakdown of the partial terror of
Speaker 1: the A c l Is he able to cut? What
Speaker 1: kind of moves can he make as a football player? No,
Speaker 1: to Greg's point about the Raiders playing conservatively, Derek Carr
Speaker 1: should be getting a lot more credit. He leads the
Speaker 1: NFL and red zoom percentage lowest sack percentage and going
Speaker 1: back to last year, lowest interception percentage. He doesn't make mistakes,
Speaker 1: he doesn't he gets rid of the ball. They protect
Speaker 1: him pretty well. You know, they didn't really move the
Speaker 1: ball well against Baltimore, But that's that's the type of
Speaker 1: games you can win. If you just don't beat yourselves
Speaker 1: and don't make mistakes and don't turn the ball over,
Speaker 1: and you have guys like Michael Crabter, you can make
Speaker 1: some place for you and you have the best punting
Speaker 1: performance I've maybe ever seen in my life by Markette King.
Speaker 1: Not often a punter makes this show, but Markette King
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks is on a run I've
Speaker 1: barely ever seen out of a punter. We're in the
Speaker 1: Golden age hunting. You got Pat McAfee, Johnny Heck, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got some great that's the golden age you want
Speaker 1: to be in. About Marquette, First of all, the Raiders
Speaker 1: have gone from Shane Leckard and Mark Um to Markette King,
Speaker 1: which is pretty don't forget about Ray Guy, Ray Guy
Speaker 1: back in the day, and now you have Marquette King,
Speaker 1: who who pins teams deep and then in Baltimore did
Speaker 1: the Ray Lewis dance after pinning a team. So the
Speaker 1: Cults go from Manning to luck, the Packers go from
Speaker 1: you know, far too rogers, and the the Raiders get
Speaker 1: to awesome punters. But one thing about car we you know,
Speaker 1: we we were hot and cold on him as a
Speaker 1: podcast in his first season, and you know, different coaching staff.
Speaker 1: At this point, you're seeing what work we've talked about
Speaker 1: on this show, all the little things that Derek Carr
Speaker 1: is asked to do. He's better at now than he
Speaker 1: was last season and better than he was the first season.
Speaker 1: You know what you're getting every week, which you don't
Speaker 1: you don't think about for young quarterbacks, like he's the
Speaker 1: same guy every week. And by the way, a second
Speaker 1: round pick Reggie Mackenzie wants again, that is a huge
Speaker 1: hit to get a quarterback at this level that isn't
Speaker 1: like a gimme first round choice. That said, yes, the
Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers traveling to Oakland are my lock of
Speaker 1: the week. Oh, why, that's surprising, just rolling the dice,
Speaker 1: got it, got it wildly wrong last week, got it
Speaker 1: wrong the week before. News team of Oh, I'm reading
Speaker 1: between the line, you're the kissing cousins. West's like. I
Speaker 1: turn on the Ravens and all I can think about
Speaker 1: is how wonderful they are when they placed the Raiders.
Speaker 1: And now we got a lock of the week owner.
Speaker 1: So there's multiple teams that you're overly sensitive about that
Speaker 1: I need to finesse and that maneuver. It's a thing.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with Dan at all. And
Speaker 1: by the way, you should be happy. I continually get
Speaker 1: these wrong that you should be flying. I went home
Speaker 1: last night and looked inside my deep, dark, black heart, Dan,
Speaker 1: and it's softened a little bit. I feel better about
Speaker 1: the Vikings and the Raiders. I'm opening my mind on
Speaker 1: these two. Okay, development that actually is I find that
Speaker 1: attractive West. It's breaking news right now, breaking news. Cindy
Speaker 1: scrambles behind the glass, breaking news. West's heart a lighter
Speaker 1: shade than you expected. Yeah, well just leave. That's a
Speaker 1: good like Cliffhanger. I like that. Okay, So Mark, you're
Speaker 1: locking up the Chargers. Quite a news bulleting there. We've
Speaker 1: gotten through most of these teams and we haven't a
Speaker 1: lock from Greg yet. I locked up the Thursday night.
Speaker 1: That's true. Greg will be the only person in America
Speaker 1: watching that game. There. Uh, let's move on now and
Speaker 1: talk about our next game. The New York Giants disappointing
Speaker 1: showing in Minnesota UM beat by the Vikings and looked
Speaker 1: like the inferior team. Now they travel to Green Bay
Speaker 1: to face the Packers. The Packers coming off of by
Speaker 1: uh their two and one they had if you remember now,
Speaker 1: it feels like a long time ago, an explosive, explosive
Speaker 1: first half against the Lions UH in their last game,
Speaker 1: and then kind of withered in the second half. So
Speaker 1: just when you were about to say, oh, the Packers
Speaker 1: are totally back in, they kind of lay an egg
Speaker 1: in the second half. So there's still some doubt about
Speaker 1: what's going on with their offense. And UM, let me
Speaker 1: just start here on this game with Odell Beckham. This
Speaker 1: is something that came out on Tuesday. UM said, can
Speaker 1: I have a little company in it for this Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham quote? This too? Yes, ESPN Odell Beckham Jr. Football
Speaker 1: is my sanctuary. It's where I go to escape, It's
Speaker 1: where I'm most happy. Not having fun anymore. Oh, what's
Speaker 1: going on with this guy's head? I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on? Hey, Odell come back to us. Reminds me
Speaker 1: so much of Randy Moss on the field and the
Speaker 1: way he speaks in the media treats him. Sports writers
Speaker 1: overreact to Odell Beckham like nobody has seen since Randy Moss.
Speaker 1: Randy Moss could say things like, Oh, I don't have
Speaker 1: to answer to you. I'm not trying. In sports writers
Speaker 1: would just lose their minds. What do you make you're
Speaker 1: not trying? Of course he's trying. He's Randy Moss. Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham is the same way he does anything, and sports
Speaker 1: writers just lose their white guy minds. We haven't. We
Speaker 1: all struggled with loving our jobs that people would kill for,
Speaker 1: just like we think, you know, people should kill to
Speaker 1: be Odell Beckham, and we we've expressed those frustrations. He's
Speaker 1: he's a young guy. You don't think so, you guys
Speaker 1: letting this guy off the hook. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: young he's he's immature, he's all those things, But why
Speaker 1: overreact to wait a second, it's not overreacting, but you
Speaker 1: don't have to just brush it under the rug. But
Speaker 1: because you love him as a talent, he is a
Speaker 1: legitimate distraction for this team right now. You see it
Speaker 1: on the field and its production down to these things.
Speaker 1: That's human. We've all I'm saying people are distractions sometimes
Speaker 1: in their job when they lose their lover, especially twenty
Speaker 1: four year olds. I'm willing because I do think he
Speaker 1: works hard and he wants to be great that I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a blip and he gets over.
Speaker 1: I think we see some similar stuff, not pertaining directly
Speaker 1: with that quote in but from Dez Bryant, from other
Speaker 1: guys that the competitive nature is off the charts. But
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, I'll go back to the age thing over
Speaker 1: and over. He's learning how to handle what is superstarted
Speaker 1: that came to him out of nowhere, comes off like
Speaker 1: a spoiled breath. Yeah. I mean he drives, He's driven
Speaker 1: us all nuts at times. So I'm not letting him
Speaker 1: off the hook at all. But you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to being honest about I'm not sure I'm enjoying
Speaker 1: things right now. It comes after weeks of being land
Speaker 1: based it and you know, taken down by the media
Speaker 1: over and over as well. So maybe he's tiring of that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's tiring of being a football players.
Speaker 1: He's talking about football, I think he must be talking
Speaker 1: about what's outside the Randy Muss is a good guy
Speaker 1: to bring up too, because he was another guy who
Speaker 1: once in a generation talent that I think burned some
Speaker 1: of his prime years because he wasn't able to kind
Speaker 1: of get his act together all the time. And I
Speaker 1: think giant fans, if he asked, giant fans, not just
Speaker 1: the media, giant fans are a little concerned about where
Speaker 1: this guy's at his his mental estate right now. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is a blimp. Maybe he comes back and he's
Speaker 1: finding it a week four issue. By by November, nobody
Speaker 1: will even be talking about. Maybe it could depend on
Speaker 1: the opponent that he plays. I mean, I think Xavier
Speaker 1: Rhodes is one guy and Josh Norman is one guy.
Speaker 1: I don't I think that the Packers have a good secondary.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the guy to get
Speaker 1: as physical with Odell Beckham to shut them down. They're
Speaker 1: also a team that gave up what a hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty plus yards to Stefon Diggs and two hundred plus
Speaker 1: to Marvin Jones. So this one thing about this Giants
Speaker 1: team is doing some next next gen stat stuff. And
Speaker 1: out of two hundred and fifty three plays they run
Speaker 1: off offense, two hundred and forty three snaps have been
Speaker 1: three wide receiver sets. There's no other team anywhere close
Speaker 1: to that. And so, and if the book is out
Speaker 1: on Odell Beckham, go get in his face and get
Speaker 1: in his mind before the game. If that's what people
Speaker 1: are saying about him. The Giants are showing you what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do on offense. You got to try to
Speaker 1: find a way to line up and stop it. It's
Speaker 1: interesting opposing that to the Packers, who also were criticized
Speaker 1: for not really mixing up their personnel and changing things.
Speaker 1: And I'm really curious to see how they look on
Speaker 1: offense in this game, because if you watch that Detroit game,
Speaker 1: they were a little more creative. You saw a lot
Speaker 1: of Trevor Davis at wide receiver. You know, you hear
Speaker 1: all about millions of wide receivers in Green Bay. You
Speaker 1: never heard about Trevor Davis he was in there, Tie
Speaker 1: Montgomery in the backfield as a running back, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: kind of mixing it up, and man, they had guys
Speaker 1: open that game. So coming off a bye against an
Speaker 1: Okay Giants defense, I want to see, are we gonna
Speaker 1: get that Packers offense again? I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: we do. And and on on on they go, We're
Speaker 1: gonna get that Packers offense again. They're gonna jump out
Speaker 1: to a big lead, and then look it up and
Speaker 1: the Giants come back attempt. Odell Beckham goes over a
Speaker 1: two Mark und w whoa, which, by the way, doesn't
Speaker 1: mean everything solid with Odell Beckham. If he has a
Speaker 1: big production day, it's because he's fantastically talented. I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, I think I was crying on the sideline
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, I just I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta keep my eyes on the situation here. Person.
Speaker 1: I think for us when we cover the crusty white
Speaker 1: guy stuff, it's it's just like what's going on. We're
Speaker 1: seven all day long too, And if you if you're
Speaker 1: a fan, you can tune it out if you want.
Speaker 1: It's in our newsroom it's in our faces, it's in
Speaker 1: our years all day long, and anyone is exhausted with
Speaker 1: him in fifty five other athletes. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't have a big problem with that. That's your that's
Speaker 1: your that's up to you. That's all talk show fodder stuff.
Speaker 1: And let me quote, let me quote, damnit check. Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham is still one of the best football players, settled
Speaker 1: down weirdos. But why all nonsense about whether he's hurting
Speaker 1: the Giants? Okay, in in early October of two thousand sixteen,
Speaker 1: he's hurting the Giants for a week or two, But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that's so not uh, and he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not hurting them as much as their right tackle
Speaker 1: or their right side of their offensive line, or they're
Speaker 1: running game or a million other things. So to to
Speaker 1: focus that, to wash your hands of it as some
Speaker 1: type of talk show narrative, just that's not reading the
Speaker 1: situation correctly. In my opinion, I think it has been
Speaker 1: a legitimate issue. You see all these guys coming up
Speaker 1: to him every week, you see his old coach talking
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, it's it's out there that this
Speaker 1: guy is playing a little out of control. Right now.
Speaker 1: Seven news cycle issue though. I mean, we don't talk
Speaker 1: about it every show, but I'm talking about it's just
Speaker 1: been dragged through the mud. I mean, it's just like,
Speaker 1: all right, enough with the Odell Beckham. Well that's it.
Speaker 1: I can talk about it. Though. I thought we did
Speaker 1: a good job of handling that discussion. We did. Now
Speaker 1: let's the rest of the show. Let's continue to talk
Speaker 1: about it, though. I would like, let's pick that game.
Speaker 1: I like that game. Giants at Packers, Mark gonna go Giants. Wow,
Speaker 1: nice looking for another Hero pick. I smell Packers are
Speaker 1: so good at home. I'm going Packers. I didn't like
Speaker 1: what I saw from the Giants. I melt a little
Speaker 1: bit of a funk coming up with that team, and uh,
Speaker 1: maybe Mike McCarthy learned some things from that second half
Speaker 1: the play calling there. I like the Packers winning by
Speaker 1: a couple of scores. Yeah, I I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants are an above average team
Speaker 1: right now, and the Packers defense has been good pretty
Speaker 1: deep in terms of their pastors. Let's talk on Sunday
Speaker 1: night when I've won two Hero picks. Nick Nick Perry.
Speaker 1: Nick Perry's having a career yere right now, he's been
Speaker 1: better than Clay Matthews or Julius Peppers. Nice little, nice
Speaker 1: little resigning by the Paths for cheap money. That was
Speaker 1: a Sunday night game, by the way, now the Monday
Speaker 1: night football game. Uh, you know what, schedulemakers come back
Speaker 1: to us, what are we doing here? And the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers one in three at the Carolina Panthers one
Speaker 1: in three. I don't know if we're gonna have Cam
Speaker 1: Newton like the Cardinals got banged with Carson Palmer in
Speaker 1: the short week. The Panthers are gonna uh get an
Speaker 1: extra day to see if they can get Newton on
Speaker 1: the field after his concussion. So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1: But if Panther, if if if Newton's there, the Bucks
Speaker 1: going to Carolina, Mark that feels like a total buzz song. Well,
Speaker 1: we talked about this downstairs, and it reminds me of
Speaker 1: last Sunday night when you take the Chiefs, you know,
Speaker 1: and the schedule makers don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with these teams. I'll give him that, But the Chiefs
Speaker 1: having to go into Pittsburgh or was anyone surprised when
Speaker 1: it was an absolute bomb drop in. The Chiefs are
Speaker 1: getting scattered all over the field. Now you take the
Speaker 1: Bucks and you make them go into Carolina. Why would
Speaker 1: the Bucks in this game not be a hometown hometown team.
Speaker 1: They never get home, they never get home games at night. Ever,
Speaker 1: it's a chance to do that. Despite what I've said
Speaker 1: about their field and their stadium, Well, thank you. And also,
Speaker 1: it's just like you're putting a You're putting what is
Speaker 1: identifiably in the off season as an average team into
Speaker 1: a team that won fifteen and one last season. You
Speaker 1: have an exciting player to market and build and watch
Speaker 1: and Jamis Winston watch him on game pass. Problem is
Speaker 1: he's dealing with the situation kind of like Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1: He's not Andrew Luck. Yet I'm not saying that this
Speaker 1: is a lousy team around him, and they've gotten worse
Speaker 1: because of injuries. Just last week they lost Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: and Noah Spends. Both of those guys are supposed to
Speaker 1: miss this game. They are missing in including Doug martin In,
Speaker 1: some of the players in the front line. They're missing
Speaker 1: four or five of their best players. And they weren't
Speaker 1: a very deep team to begin with Winston is struggling,
Speaker 1: this is I agree, it's it's a tough situation to
Speaker 1: go into. And I think even if Winston played well,
Speaker 1: they don't beat the Panthers. Last week was a recipe
Speaker 1: for disaster against the Denver defense that had no respect
Speaker 1: for Charles Simms whatsoever and was gonna tee off on
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston all game long. I don't think the Bucks
Speaker 1: are a good team, but I think they're gonna play
Speaker 1: better than they did against the Broncos. This is a
Speaker 1: this is a flip the panic switch game for the Panthers.
Speaker 1: It will be a tougher game, of course if Cam
Speaker 1: Newton doesn't play. But if they somehow stumbled here and
Speaker 1: went to one and four, then you could legitimately say
Speaker 1: they're in deep trouble. But I just don't see it.
Speaker 1: We can talk about Tampa's offense having their issues, their
Speaker 1: defense in four games twenty four, forty thirty seven and
Speaker 1: twenty seven points allowed. I mean, this defense is a
Speaker 1: disaster and and that was giving. And even that twenty
Speaker 1: seven points last week feels misleading because they're giving up
Speaker 1: long drives where they just can't get off that and
Speaker 1: they don't turn the ball over, the turnovers in the
Speaker 1: league red. I thought Mike Smith would help this defense,
Speaker 1: just because they were so bad with Lovey Smith last year.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's not working. They've been, really they've I
Speaker 1: guess they've been banged up. They've been. They're they're a
Speaker 1: faulty roster. That's that's pretty banged up and they're not
Speaker 1: handling it all. Right. There you go, guys. That is
Speaker 1: the preview of Week five. The next time you hear
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Speaker 1: And and now, of course, since I left out one
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Speaker 1: banged on Twitter. But thank you to you guys too.
Speaker 1: I thought this is this is not a good segue, Damn.
Speaker 1: I apologize. I thought of a great prank someone that
Speaker 1: is annoying. You go into their house while they're not there,
Speaker 1: and what you do is you set all their TVs
Speaker 1: and all their any radios in the house, anything that
Speaker 1: emits any sort of a broadcast, and you get a
Speaker 1: very technically proficient wire type person to put the Bucks
Speaker 1: Panthers replay on loop forever. There's no way to change it.
Speaker 1: The only thing they can watch in their house is
Speaker 1: the Bucks Panthers replayed, and from now until the end
Speaker 1: of their lives. I'm telling you that will settle the score.
Speaker 1: All right, nicely done, SAP. That's good. Let's get out
Speaker 1: of here. I think it's good. Mark, I think it's good.
Speaker 1: You know this show started with Dann Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get into it. What no, Greg nod As appreciating
Speaker 1: my musical reference. And it ends this way until Sunday