Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast will own you on the
Speaker 1: dance floor. Welcome back to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas. Then I
Speaker 1: am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosen. Thought, what's up? Boys? Hey Dan?
Speaker 1: Are we low on money tags again? We are? We
Speaker 1: should consult the subreddit board, which has a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: Do they have a whole thread? They do have a
Speaker 1: whole time. I'll set a tweet, put together a list.
Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't hear all the last largely
Speaker 1: because you don't choose to visit the subreddit board. Well,
Speaker 1: am I right? There's a cornucopia of of tags they're
Speaker 1: just waiting for us to dig into. Take that offline,
Speaker 1: Take that offline, yeah, be fairly turnkey. Come up with
Speaker 1: a few new pretty turnkey. We were just in a
Speaker 1: corporal meeting with some shadowy league figures, and we like
Speaker 1: to now take notes of all corporo phrases. Let's keep
Speaker 1: it about the tree top stand keep it drove the
Speaker 1: tree tops fairly turned. You don't want to hit him
Speaker 1: with a fire house of data. Well, and someone else
Speaker 1: also as to ask to speak to a higher up offline,
Speaker 1: which is an old one, but it continues to make
Speaker 1: no sense. You aren't online, You're just on our clock.
Speaker 1: Get off our clock. Listen. Mark Sessler laying down the
Speaker 1: law in a big spot. Uh. This is the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast, sponsored by no One, feared by a few,
Speaker 1: loved by thousands, holding to no One. Absolutely. Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: nice show today, pre grade show. I love the show.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about the show. B minus pre games. Dan. Uh,
Speaker 1: we are going to you know, we did this last
Speaker 1: year and it's not it's not an easy exercise. Uh.
Speaker 1: If you want to cycle back to the written content
Speaker 1: on the site, uh from last year to get right,
Speaker 1: you can end up looking foolish. But uh. The Superstar Club,
Speaker 1: which is a club in which it remember this one name,
Speaker 1: the artist jazz B. Jazz B is incorrect. Really it's Greg,
Speaker 1: You're the only one in I know who it is,
Speaker 1: but it's it's Uh, I can't think of that that
Speaker 1: man you Lupe Fiasco. The Superstar Club two thousand sixteen,
Speaker 1: zero sum game, one man in, one man out. Uh,
Speaker 1: so each of us we're adding four new superstars to
Speaker 1: the NFL today, and that that's the easy part. You know,
Speaker 1: every anybody could say, oh, this guy is gonna become
Speaker 1: a superstar this year. The hard part, and this is
Speaker 1: where it's you gotta hang onion. If you're not hanging
Speaker 1: on you're gonna get called out on it. You'll be
Speaker 1: called a fool. You gotta kick out somebody, You gotta
Speaker 1: kick out a real superstar. Uh and basically say that
Speaker 1: this great uh great player of his generation will take
Speaker 1: the step down and no longer be a superstar. Zero
Speaker 1: sum game The Superstar Club a little bit later, Um,
Speaker 1: I think Dan Helly we said on Monday was supposed
Speaker 1: to be in today scheduling conflict, Helly will be in tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And if he cancels again, well, hell he can go
Speaker 1: to hell. He's got a permanent scheduling conflict. Go to Helly.
Speaker 1: Have you ever got that before? That would that's not
Speaker 1: really a welcoming way for him to join the show,
Speaker 1: But hopefully he doesn't listen. He's above the tree tops.
Speaker 1: Uh yes, so yes, Superstar Club. This is our pendultimate
Speaker 1: show before vacations start really coming into focus. Uh, Mark,
Speaker 1: I know you're away next week? Yes, another vacation. Huh,
Speaker 1: same is everyone else. Well, I think it's we all
Speaker 1: do them at different times. I think Greg, you probably
Speaker 1: had years earlier. This year Wizards post super Bowl must
Speaker 1: be nice. How is your vacation less? What vacation? Neither? Dan?
Speaker 1: You've been taken more days off than all of us
Speaker 1: combined during the actual football season, Dan, Mark, don't hit
Speaker 1: out at me because you're taking your second weekly vacation
Speaker 1: before July. Where I'm tracking this, I'm tracking you, baby,
Speaker 1: same amount as everyone else. Well, according to you, Dan
Speaker 1: takes has more than the rest of where'd that come from?
Speaker 1: I heard that from someone else who he's in this room? Please?
Speaker 1: What is happening now? I don't even know. He's trying
Speaker 1: to throw me under the bus. It's something I don't
Speaker 1: even know. Let's count how many days I've taken off
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen. Let's count him. I'd love to
Speaker 1: do it. Why are you rate about other someone else
Speaker 1: would leave the office for files the podcast started. Guys,
Speaker 1: other people are listening. Mark. That not a good look
Speaker 1: for you. Just now, that's all nor you. Let's check
Speaker 1: behind the glass now. Speaking of being off, you irishman right,
Speaker 1: and it took some time off he was on the
Speaker 1: East Coast. But now he's back with us. The people
Speaker 1: that filled in for you, did you know they did? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you were missed. Well I appreciate that. You know.
Speaker 1: I was having fun at a family wedding, you know,
Speaker 1: dancing a little bit. Maybe that's why I used that
Speaker 1: money tag. Oh I bet you're a great dancer, irishman.
Speaker 1: You know what why? I got it from my uncle Michael,
Speaker 1: who showed it off too, so you know, it's just
Speaker 1: in the blood old uncle Mikey. They call him. Let's
Speaker 1: do some news. He's written by the way I danced,
Speaker 1: damn it? Why that the chisels, Because now Irish has
Speaker 1: reached the stage where his comments and his conversations before
Speaker 1: we start the news, it's just a way for him
Speaker 1: to tee up his own newsdrop synergy, synchronicity. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a little bit too wooden robotic. You want to
Speaker 1: be It's like you need to be with you today.
Speaker 1: What I just I told you, b minus, I warned you.
Speaker 1: Am I bringing it up or down? No, you're doing
Speaker 1: great and welcome back mark you. I don't know, let's
Speaker 1: start with welcome. I've been here the whole time. I
Speaker 1: don't like the way this is starting, except vacation a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Well, you can bring it up
Speaker 1: with human resources, but I need a break from you
Speaker 1: people all day long, every day with the people. Let's
Speaker 1: start with the Dallas Cowboys. Bad news in Dallas. UH
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden, who is UH almost impossibly a top five
Speaker 1: NFL rusher last season. UH saw the team took Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott with a top five pick this season this year
Speaker 1: in the draft, and he's trying to win carries. He's
Speaker 1: trying to make sure he's still a big part of
Speaker 1: the backfield. But now he's gonna be missing for a
Speaker 1: couple of months. Darren McFadden injured his elbow in an
Speaker 1: accident at home and will be out quote a couple
Speaker 1: of months after undergoing surgery. Tuesday, Cowboys coach Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: announced UH. Garrett said, I don't want to put too
Speaker 1: many timetables on it, but they said the surgery went well,
Speaker 1: UH and the overarching theme was a couple of months,
Speaker 1: we'll see how he responds to everything. UH anticipated back
Speaker 1: by some point in training camp. UH running backs coach
Speaker 1: Gary Brown told The Morning News that McFadden fell Memorial
Speaker 1: Day weekend on his elbow while trying to keep from
Speaker 1: dropping his cell phone roof. That's a bad way to
Speaker 1: bustra elbow. Uh. He practiced last week under one surgery Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Good news for Ezekiel Elliott, bad news for down McFadden west.
Speaker 1: It's just accelerating the inevitable. Elliott was gonna take this
Speaker 1: job anyway. It was a matter of when not if.
Speaker 1: This just means I mean, I don't know what Michael
Speaker 1: Fabiana is gonna say on their Fantasy Live podcast, but
Speaker 1: I think as h Elliot would have to be in
Speaker 1: the mix for the number one overall fantasy draft pick.
Speaker 1: I don't think this injury should change much though, because
Speaker 1: he was gonna be the starter anyway. I I think
Speaker 1: we know that. I think the way Scott Lenahan is
Speaker 1: talking about it that you he he said, for instance,
Speaker 1: usually with rookies, there's a time or a part of
Speaker 1: the game that you feel a little uncomfortable. Even though
Speaker 1: he's had some good ones over the year, but there
Speaker 1: is no part of the game where they feel like
Speaker 1: it's not his cup of tea talking about Elliott, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any down or distance or situation where
Speaker 1: he can't carry the load. I mean. And also it's
Speaker 1: he's not like he's out for five months. He'll be back.
Speaker 1: But Dan raised the and I'm trying to build a
Speaker 1: bridge here with my friends Dan. But he asked the
Speaker 1: best questions on Twitter. Did he catch the phone right
Speaker 1: if you've gone through this, malarkey? Did you actually save
Speaker 1: the phone if that shattered too, which I we didn't
Speaker 1: hear the answer, so maybe he lost the phone too.
Speaker 1: That's embarrassing. Elbow injury, by the way, broken elbow or whatever,
Speaker 1: that sounds pretty pain. And then he played he practiced
Speaker 1: through it for a week, didn't realize just was kind
Speaker 1: of bothering him. That's a very professional athlete thing to do. Like,
Speaker 1: my elbow's kind of been bothering me. Let's go check
Speaker 1: it out at the end of the week. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, it's broken. Well, I know. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell the origin story of how
Speaker 1: ill the The sneaky star of this entire story was
Speaker 1: the running backs coach Gary Brown, who took McFadden's misfortune
Speaker 1: to make a crack. He's got that pre cb a money,
Speaker 1: so I don't even think he needs the phone, like
Speaker 1: taking shots at mcadded he's saying it was a bad
Speaker 1: trade off. No, that pre c v A money was
Speaker 1: insane and he did get on that train. So yeah,
Speaker 1: even if he ended up never playing another down, it
Speaker 1: should be okay. It doesn't make me think. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I buy into what you're saying West about
Speaker 1: Elliot potentially being a number one overall West and it's
Speaker 1: tremendous pain steak, pain steaking time consuming project. Uh detailing
Speaker 1: his favorite NFL or football books of all time. One
Speaker 1: of your excerpts, I believe was from Dr Z who
Speaker 1: talked about how the college quarterback comes to the NFL
Speaker 1: and may never be better than his first year college
Speaker 1: running back. College running back, it's different than other positions.
Speaker 1: It's all instinct and athletic ability. It doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: how much you know the game. But as equal in
Speaker 1: the modern NFL, it gets delayed a little bit. For
Speaker 1: past protection, Ezekiel, it might be the best past protection
Speaker 1: back to enter the draft in our lifetime. Wouldn't be
Speaker 1: number one overall pick in fantasy for me, but at
Speaker 1: the top first round pick. And uh, you just got
Speaker 1: me thinking, Dan, we should do a segment on the
Speaker 1: best football books. Ever, we're not gonna do next week.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it today, But how about next
Speaker 1: week we do a whole thing on the podcast. Would
Speaker 1: be a good discussion. It sounds good. The piece that
Speaker 1: West Road obviously must have a vanity U r O.
Speaker 1: Not that I know we'll get it. We'll get dot
Speaker 1: com slash books. How about just by the time people
Speaker 1: listen to this, it'll be already. Hey, Dan, I have
Speaker 1: a question for you. Yes, so you said that you
Speaker 1: think that elbow injury would hurt. What changed your mind?
Speaker 1: Because I remember you saying this about particular elbow injuries.
Speaker 1: I was just wondering what changed. Pick up the chasels,
Speaker 1: pick out the chisels. What was that a reference to?
Speaker 1: I believe it was Aaron Rodgers. Was that during the
Speaker 1: show or before the show? I'm not sure, but I
Speaker 1: think that was faithfully. By the way, does anybody good
Speaker 1: job Brandon? Does anybody have a embarrassing or stupid, slash
Speaker 1: unnecessary injury from their life that they'd like to share? Well?
Speaker 1: I have several that I can't remember how they happened.
Speaker 1: I wonder why, uh, but I do remember one from
Speaker 1: when I was probably in fifth grade, it was the
Speaker 1: Mark remembers that I'm sure Michael Jordan's sixty three point
Speaker 1: game and against the Celtics in the playoffs. I got
Speaker 1: so excited that I tried a roundhouse kick and ended
Speaker 1: up hitting the door archway and broke my toe. Could
Speaker 1: barely walk and I had to serve mass that day.
Speaker 1: I was an altar boy. Tried to convince my dad
Speaker 1: I needed to watch this the overtime of the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's game because my foot was broken and Mom wasn't
Speaker 1: there that day. He didn't feel comfortable making the decision
Speaker 1: on on his own, so he just said, no, you
Speaker 1: have to go do it. That's pretty that. Um. There
Speaker 1: are like west, I mean probably all of us. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch, but one that came to mind because I
Speaker 1: still have an ankle, my right ankle that probably three
Speaker 1: or four times a year just completely gives out while
Speaker 1: I'm walking down the street. And it initially happened junior
Speaker 1: the summer after junior year in high school, where we
Speaker 1: went to a what I would say it was a
Speaker 1: house party for lack of better terms, at this uh
Speaker 1: girl's house Liz Venus, whose parents were away, and she survived,
Speaker 1: but there was a huge like, uh, west, what is
Speaker 1: this you take a vacation. There was a huge basket
Speaker 1: of like someone had made toast, maybe for crutons, but
Speaker 1: it was a giant basket of toast that had been
Speaker 1: there for a week, and we were throwing this toast
Speaker 1: all around this house party. And then it was uncovered
Speaker 1: that we were doing this. So we escaped out a window,
Speaker 1: like three or four of us, and we're running down
Speaker 1: this uh, darkened street at high speeds trying to get
Speaker 1: to someone's car, and my whole body just collapsed. I
Speaker 1: went about three yards into the woods, and my ankle
Speaker 1: was a mess for probably two years after that and
Speaker 1: continues to be unnecessary. Why was I even there anything
Speaker 1: on the strawberry truck? No, no injuries there. I had
Speaker 1: one recently. That's the only one that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: I got back to I think I might have even
Speaker 1: mentioned this on the podcast. I certainly told you guys
Speaker 1: about it that I got back to my house late
Speaker 1: at night. I thought I was locked out of my house,
Speaker 1: and then climbed the fence, climbed a fence on the side,
Speaker 1: jumped over it, uh and banged up my back a
Speaker 1: little bit very old man injury. I later realized the
Speaker 1: keys were where they were supposed to be outside, but
Speaker 1: I was just not in the right state to realize
Speaker 1: that at the time. Yeah, my mine would be recent
Speaker 1: as well. It was when the softball team was six
Speaker 1: two out of the last inning and I tried to
Speaker 1: leg out a ground or a second with a bad
Speaker 1: hamstring and a hamstring exploded. That was stumble Bragg. Your
Speaker 1: hustle was noted though, because you were the leader in
Speaker 1: the tone center to do it there alright. Moving on,
Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, UH is a very, very rich man. The
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and their star defensive lineman agreed to terms
Speaker 1: on a six year extension UH that will keep Cox
Speaker 1: in town through the two season. The deal pays out
Speaker 1: a hundred and three million over the long hold, but
Speaker 1: the real money is the astonishing sixty three million and
Speaker 1: guarantees is coming from rap sheet. Um. That is a
Speaker 1: lot of money for Fletcher Cox. Greg Rosenthal is he
Speaker 1: worth it? Absolutely? All these guys are worth it. We're
Speaker 1: in a whole new era this year with the TV
Speaker 1: money being brought into the league. The salaries are going
Speaker 1: way up. And by the way, you know, a number
Speaker 1: three left handed pitcher in the NFL makes so far,
Speaker 1: I mean in the Major League Baseball, makes so far,
Speaker 1: much more than Fletcher Cox, who is a top fifty
Speaker 1: NFL player according to uh the NFL Network's list, and
Speaker 1: that might have even been too low. I mean, he
Speaker 1: he is a dynamic player, so he's absolutely worth it.
Speaker 1: And some of the guaranteed you know there it was
Speaker 1: sixty three million and guarantees thirty six point three million
Speaker 1: and fully guarantees, well that I mean, until they figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on to get we should never even
Speaker 1: ask the question as a player worth it because and
Speaker 1: that is for a reader, I mean, what what what
Speaker 1: is an average football fans to get rap sheet in
Speaker 1: here and really, uh call him to the carpet for
Speaker 1: this season? I know what it is. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: if thirty six is fully guaranteed, if nothing happens in
Speaker 1: the next year, it'll be he'll get forty eight million
Speaker 1: over the first three years of his deal. That's essentially
Speaker 1: what the fans should know. He's getting three for forty eight,
Speaker 1: which is obviously well you know who else is gonna
Speaker 1: get paid. And the timing this is the time of year,
Speaker 1: the month between now and training camp where all these
Speaker 1: big deals go down, and von Miller now has another,
Speaker 1: you know, reference point to peg his contract. He'll make
Speaker 1: more money than this. I don't think Fletcher Cox is
Speaker 1: way more about Wilkerson, also a defensive lineman, and the
Speaker 1: guy that he's probably a better player in Fletcher Cox, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't know that. I think they're very similar,
Speaker 1: different types of players, but similar, very similar in and
Speaker 1: the Jets botched this because they could have signed Moe
Speaker 1: last year for probably a team friendly contract, and now
Speaker 1: these guys keep signing, it gets bigger and bigger. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna be with the Jets after this year, and
Speaker 1: that bums me out. If you were making an article
Speaker 1: that John always had a bad offseason and made some mistakes,
Speaker 1: I think not signing von Miller back in jail area
Speaker 1: it could be one of those mistakes. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos who have not signed von Miller to
Speaker 1: a long term deal. They have until July to do that,
Speaker 1: but they did announce stood that they've signed linebacker Brandon
Speaker 1: Marshall to a four year extension. This deal is where
Speaker 1: thirty two million with twenty million and guarantees. According to
Speaker 1: rap sheet and includes a ten million dollars signing bonus.
Speaker 1: UH keeps Marshall in Denver through twenty twenty. Mark Cessler
Speaker 1: Marshall said, I will earn every penny. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: they needed to keep this guy around. They lost Danny
Speaker 1: Trevathan in free agency, and it's you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of parts leaving Denver's defense. So you know, while
Speaker 1: the von Miller signers signing is tricky, I think this
Speaker 1: was a wise move for them. He's putting a good player.
Speaker 1: Certainly makes it seem like they prioritize Brandon Marshall over
Speaker 1: Danny Trevathan or no doubt or they figured he was
Speaker 1: worth more. And he is definitely the superior run stopper
Speaker 1: stopper of the two. Treviathan is better covering backs and
Speaker 1: tight ends out of the back. I was really surprised
Speaker 1: he got more money than Trevathan. To that all credit
Speaker 1: to Brandon Marshall. He's one of those success stories that
Speaker 1: shows the NFL as a meritocracy. He got released by
Speaker 1: the Jaguars three times. He's a he was a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick of the Jaguars. Does it hell here he
Speaker 1: is just three years later getting huge money. Is there
Speaker 1: any link between Denver not having to fork over millions
Speaker 1: and millions at the quarterback position where even a guy
Speaker 1: like Brandon Marshall when he signs is gonna get a
Speaker 1: little bit more scratched than he would have. Maybe. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's a competitive advantage having a quarterback that makes peanuts
Speaker 1: relative if he can play. Yes, well, that's that's the
Speaker 1: other competitive russell. Yeah, moving on, Eugene Monroe no longer
Speaker 1: has a team who least not right now. The Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens have released the left tackle. This coming after the
Speaker 1: team attempted to make a trade with the New York
Speaker 1: Giants that fell through, so the team cut ties. Uh.
Speaker 1: This came after Monroe. We learned that Monroe's being held
Speaker 1: out of this week's mandatory minicamp. Uh while Asie attempted
Speaker 1: to work on a trade. Uh. John Harbor had said Tuesday,
Speaker 1: it's in Ozzie's hands. We'll see where it goes, and
Speaker 1: obviously didn't go anywhere. And now Eugene Monroe is on
Speaker 1: the street and uh, you know, on what's say June Uh,
Speaker 1: happy forty one wedding anniversary to Devin Keith Hanss. By
Speaker 1: the way, I saw a picture of your parents when
Speaker 1: they were young, and he he your dad looks strikingly
Speaker 1: like you. But what a young couple, What a nice
Speaker 1: young couple. Yes, uh, congratulations to debn Keith. But uh, yes,
Speaker 1: so Monroe. You know on June fift you know, usually
Speaker 1: don't see capable left tackles show up on the market.
Speaker 1: Do you think they are gonna be some people that
Speaker 1: are gonna line up to get him right? Twenty nine
Speaker 1: years old? Well, the Ravens drafted his replacement, and I
Speaker 1: think they were probably thinking along the lines of Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick's quote that dependability is more important than ability. He
Speaker 1: missed five games in two thou fourteen, and he missed
Speaker 1: eleven games, or let's see, missed ten games last year.
Speaker 1: So I think they just decided he wasn't worth the
Speaker 1: contract he was due to get. Well, he said to
Speaker 1: make a million more than any other Raven Yes, hasn't
Speaker 1: played that well when he's played. This was another one
Speaker 1: of Ozzy Newsome's missteps over the last few years. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Ozzy Newsom has made a ton of them, uh,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he kicked him out of the GM.
Speaker 1: Superstarlow I don't. I don't think he's been as good
Speaker 1: drafting over the last four years overall than than he
Speaker 1: than he was before that. And I think the Eugene
Speaker 1: Monroe contract is one that he obviously regrets. They traded
Speaker 1: for him from Jacksonville. He had a good half season
Speaker 1: for them, He gave him huge money, uh and he
Speaker 1: hasn't played that well and he's been hurt well. When
Speaker 1: they traded for him, they were in a dire place.
Speaker 1: It was what octics. The trade was great, trade was
Speaker 1: then the what came after. He gave a big tracked
Speaker 1: that offseason and just hasn't worked out. He hasn't been
Speaker 1: healthy and he hasn't played that well. It sounds like
Speaker 1: he could He doesn't have a home right now. But
Speaker 1: by the time people are even listening to this that
Speaker 1: you know, within a day he could be a New
Speaker 1: York China to try to trade for him, and then
Speaker 1: it couldn't have worked out better for the Giants as
Speaker 1: long as someone else doesn't swoop into grab him about
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Chargers and Seahawks also reported to be interesting,
Speaker 1: only twenty nine years old and has played at a
Speaker 1: high level before the Giants could certainly use a tackle
Speaker 1: that would that would be should also add that there
Speaker 1: was talk that uh Monroe is a huge marijuana advocate
Speaker 1: and outspoken uh and marijuana was the same reason why
Speaker 1: the or a part of the reason why the Giants
Speaker 1: passed on Laramie Tunzil. So. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you want to connect any dots there, but
Speaker 1: some teams might be scared off by that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's putting his money where his mouth is with his
Speaker 1: marijuana advocacy. This isn't just something where it's like, oh
Speaker 1: ha ha, like he smokes weed. So like, let's think
Speaker 1: it's just something. He's talking hundreds of thousands of dollars,
Speaker 1: he's he's spoken with politicians, he's written up lots of
Speaker 1: things like this is part of his life. Is that advocacy? Well,
Speaker 1: maybe the Niners could use a he said, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not just to get high, it's he finds it something
Speaker 1: that the players could really stand a gain from smoking
Speaker 1: marijuana to get better and all that stuff. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: parajuana is a real hot button topic here in the
Speaker 1: old United States. Hayne management he donated eight k h
Speaker 1: or eighty thousand this offseason to the University of Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins a d K that was very masculine. He
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't stick the landing because he's a UH.
Speaker 1: In other Ravens news, Brashad Perriman, their first round pick
Speaker 1: last year. The last time we were with you, there
Speaker 1: were fears that he had torn his A c L
Speaker 1: to the extent that he would need reconstructive surgery that
Speaker 1: would end his second season, just the way his first
Speaker 1: season ended on I R with a knee injury. But good,
Speaker 1: good news, and he always gotta put this in front
Speaker 1: of it. Noted orthropedist James Andrews opened up the knee
Speaker 1: of Perriman and UH saw that the terror was not
Speaker 1: severe enough for complete reconstruction. Instead, they went with a
Speaker 1: stem cell injection with the hope that that will heal
Speaker 1: the ligament on its own, and there is a lot
Speaker 1: of optimism that he will be quote fine, according to
Speaker 1: a source of told rap sheet for the regular season,
Speaker 1: huge lift. Guys, Well, I don't know what else we
Speaker 1: have to say. We talked about this on the last
Speaker 1: well and it's all relative. If if you're really positive
Speaker 1: that this surgery for your player that hasn't suited up
Speaker 1: in a regular season game may not prevent him, you know,
Speaker 1: make you know, not keep out for the season like that.
Speaker 1: That's great, but he's still a huge injury risk. And
Speaker 1: don't don't you find it interesting the area that stem
Speaker 1: cells could help athletes. To me, that was the most
Speaker 1: interesting part of this. He's getting a stem cell injection.
Speaker 1: If that rebuilds his A c L, I mean, what's
Speaker 1: the future of that. By by the way, they announced
Speaker 1: Elvis Dumerville underwent preventative surgery, just kind of slid that
Speaker 1: into that press conference. Preventative surgery is the most i
Speaker 1: are some phrase of the off season. Everyone's that just
Speaker 1: getting thirdery, like it's going to get to go to
Speaker 1: the dentist. It's like, there's no such thing as preventative surgery.
Speaker 1: They're not open you up. That's just like the new
Speaker 1: buzzword among coaches. Ravens already banged up, Ravens got some problems.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith is not healthy. That their number one cornerback
Speaker 1: Doomerville U Joe Flacco, by the way, is not practiced
Speaker 1: this offseason. No one seems to be talking about himself
Speaker 1: so far. This is the number one team from from
Speaker 1: the time the off season started until now. To me,
Speaker 1: that has declined the most in my own estimation of
Speaker 1: their two thousand six chances. I mean, if you want
Speaker 1: an argument, not on paper, but probably on the field
Speaker 1: potentially this season to dissemble that franchise, put the money
Speaker 1: into what we talked about and across country all round
Speaker 1: train the old Mouse of the takes west straight from
Speaker 1: southern California to the island. Uh. The Ravens are setting
Speaker 1: the table for this. Can I just I'll just on
Speaker 1: the other side of this, and I'd love for that
Speaker 1: to one day be built. Uh, all the we don't
Speaker 1: want to completely count out the Baltimore Room once again
Speaker 1: as an NFL entity. No, No, that's marks thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about their season. I just think that's a
Speaker 1: boom er Bus type of team. They got a lot
Speaker 1: of things. They're hoping. They have more ifs than any team.
Speaker 1: And this was annoyed about the whole preventative surgery. No one,
Speaker 1: none of us are going for preventative surgery this weekend,
Speaker 1: just for fun. Let's just do it. Get out of
Speaker 1: the way. Greg down on doctors, who is Dick Mahoney,
Speaker 1: Wes Walter Thurman, former Eagles safety. Absolutely. So the story goes,
Speaker 1: and this popped up on a couple of Philly sports blogs.
Speaker 1: One of the best stories of the off season. Uh
Speaker 1: that there is a bar in Philadelphia that mysteriously had
Speaker 1: this guy that started coming to their games as a
Speaker 1: friend of a friend. Uh. He was a black man
Speaker 1: with a Jerry Curl hairstyle, wearing an l A Dodgers cap.
Speaker 1: Looked like easy. Looked like easy circa nineteen eight eight
Speaker 1: was the way he was described. And Uh he his
Speaker 1: first two games he had seven home runs. He would
Speaker 1: have had eight, but he overran one of his own teammates.
Speaker 1: Let's just give him. Yeah, so we'll give him eight
Speaker 1: softball rules. So one of the most dominating forces in
Speaker 1: the history of Delco amateur sports. And then it turns out,
Speaker 1: uh that he disappears one day, saying that he had
Speaker 1: he was pursuing a filmmaking career in l A. And oh, yes,
Speaker 1: he is a former NFL player, Walter Thurman, who was
Speaker 1: pretty good for the Eagles last season. Uh. And uh
Speaker 1: Thurman's girlfriend, alleged girlfriend posted a shot of of uh
Speaker 1: Dick Mahoney or Walter Thurman looking out upon a softball field,
Speaker 1: and so that's one smoking gun. But then the second
Speaker 1: smoking gun came via hardcore journal work from Chris Wesling,
Speaker 1: who um tweeted at Thurman's handle that he really hoped
Speaker 1: that this was true with a link to the story
Speaker 1: and uh. Thurman retweeted it from his account, the only uh,
Speaker 1: which seemed to me that he was saying, yes, this
Speaker 1: is true. It seemed like verification to me. I have
Speaker 1: since subsequently reached out to him on direct message, but
Speaker 1: I have not heard back. We'll see. I want to
Speaker 1: try to get him on the podcast since he's going
Speaker 1: to be in l A. Take him one step further
Speaker 1: and maybe we have a pretty nice platform here. Walter Thurman,
Speaker 1: if you're listening and you want Dick mohoney, I know
Speaker 1: you're in l A. You want to get into the filmmaking. Now,
Speaker 1: our softball team, the Shield three and three at the
Speaker 1: midway point of the season and missing that popper to
Speaker 1: really uh solidify our lineup. Come play for us. I'm
Speaker 1: not even joking you come play for us. We will
Speaker 1: provide you with a companionship, uh, light beer, a really
Speaker 1: cushy spot in the middle of our lineup, and what
Speaker 1: else can you want about plugs for his upcoming documentary.
Speaker 1: He's a director, He's directing a documentary. He has produced
Speaker 1: a couple of films. I mean he's legit. I mean
Speaker 1: I see this, Dan, Are you gonna push your best
Speaker 1: hitter down to number seven? If Walter Thurman gets on
Speaker 1: this team? Stop? Let's see this is West is like
Speaker 1: the old Reggie Jackson on the straw that starts the drink.
Speaker 1: If I do sign, I'll tell you right now what
Speaker 1: I do if I signed. If I was able to
Speaker 1: sign Thurman, because you're an amazing on base percentage guy
Speaker 1: and you hit to the gaps, you're my new leadoff
Speaker 1: hitter who gets cut putting Thurman at um. I have
Speaker 1: to talk to Walter and find out what position he's playing,
Speaker 1: but he would be back Garcia batting fifth. Uh, maybe
Speaker 1: Irish batting seventh. I'm gonna move myself down to the
Speaker 1: lineup because I am about winning and getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Just throwing this out there. If you're basically looking to
Speaker 1: add NFL players to your softball team, there's no company
Speaker 1: in the entire world that has more access to l
Speaker 1: A based football players just looking for something to do.
Speaker 1: At dusk. Yes, but I mean we you know, the
Speaker 1: Walter Thurmott thing. That makes sense. But you could you
Speaker 1: could just walk, you know, fourteen feet across in the
Speaker 1: office and had a multiple NFL players and do you
Speaker 1: think they'd all be as dominant as Dick mahoney? Right,
Speaker 1: And that that's a completely different case. Dick is listening,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want it. He doesn't want this all
Speaker 1: blown ups. He was trying to do it, you know,
Speaker 1: under a name. You know, we could, you guys could
Speaker 1: keep it a little more low profile. I mean when
Speaker 1: he showed up in his Porsche Cayenne in outside of Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: people started whispering, what's up with this guy in l
Speaker 1: A that's not even gonna stand out West Drive. It's
Speaker 1: a perfect situation if you're really looking for a leadoff hitter.
Speaker 1: I mean, why don't we stay within the company here
Speaker 1: and get former Major league great Dion Sanders. I mean exactly,
Speaker 1: it's that would cost you that talent right in front
Speaker 1: of us. That would be one of his days. Maybe
Speaker 1: he could bring back to Jerry Curls from Florida State days.
Speaker 1: Uh that by the way, that Philly Blogg there had
Speaker 1: learned this was crossing broad moving on Carlos Williams, Bills
Speaker 1: running back Uh had an interesting um reason or explanation
Speaker 1: why he came to minicamp overweight. Was actually overweight to
Speaker 1: the extent that the team opted to hold him out
Speaker 1: of all practices. Uh, you know, to to protect him
Speaker 1: from himself himself essentially. Uh. He's When he was asked
Speaker 1: what the injury was that has held him back the spring,
Speaker 1: he replied, the injury of pregnancy, I'd say, and then
Speaker 1: a reporter I was like, no, really though, what part
Speaker 1: of your body? Said nothing really, just pretty much just
Speaker 1: trying to make sure pregnancy went well for my fiance.
Speaker 1: But since that's over with, she knows what time it is.
Speaker 1: It's football time again, so getting back into football shape
Speaker 1: and getting ready for training camp. He went on to
Speaker 1: say when a reporter said he's never heard anybody blame
Speaker 1: pregnancy on the weight game for a football player, it's
Speaker 1: definitely a first. But I'd like, I'd like to eat,
Speaker 1: and then her being pregnant gave me an excuse to eat,
Speaker 1: so eating anything and everything. She'd wake up one or
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, I want a snack. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and watch you eat because
Speaker 1: I don't want you to feel bad. But it's back
Speaker 1: to football. Um. First of all, a couple of funny things.
Speaker 1: I immediately, uh, my wife is with child right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's been shared. That might be
Speaker 1: breaking news. Emily hands it's a big spot comes through
Speaker 1: once again. Congratulations Emily. I mean, you, of course are
Speaker 1: the hero in this situation, but Emily also, nice job.
Speaker 1: Emily is doing all the work. I did initial work
Speaker 1: and now she's taken over. And I also did your
Speaker 1: job and not one of those people back where pregnant?
Speaker 1: No now you just say it in front of an
Speaker 1: international audience on that podcast. No, no, like I don't
Speaker 1: use the expression we're pregnant wife your you are recording her,
Speaker 1: you're respecting the physical you know, birden that she's taking
Speaker 1: compared to yours, which was rather quick on your part,
Speaker 1: I would imagine. I mean, I'm just saying it in comparison.
Speaker 1: She's got to go ten months. You had one night
Speaker 1: of work, if you want to even call it one night.
Speaker 1: I burden and work even seems it seems strange. You're right,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in behind. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not reflecting on him back for the opening, I'm
Speaker 1: not reflecting on anything else. I mean anyway, I was
Speaker 1: just I I get I caused people are gonna bury
Speaker 1: Carlos Williams. Oh, come on, this is funny. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of a funny thing. And Dune he was
Speaker 1: honest for once. Yeah. The people that get on and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he gets killed in Twitter for it. It's like,
Speaker 1: do you want these guys to be honest and be
Speaker 1: human beings or do you want them to be from
Speaker 1: the Peyton Manning school of professional jock speak. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be in shape by uh, you know, the end of July.
Speaker 1: So Carlos Williams is sneaky awesome. Last year too when
Speaker 1: I went back and I couldn't believe how good he was.
Speaker 1: They they might have the best one of the better
Speaker 1: running back groups in the league with those two like
Speaker 1: Jonathan Williams. I give him credit. I mean, who's gonna
Speaker 1: be around longer Rex Ryan and the Bills in his
Speaker 1: life or his wife. I mean, he's showing support to
Speaker 1: the core. So are you are you you know, midnight
Speaker 1: snacks or anything going on in his No, In fact,
Speaker 1: when I reached out to my wife to tell her
Speaker 1: about the story, so I knew she would find it funny.
Speaker 1: I I found it really funny that Carlos Williams, the
Speaker 1: poor guy, is laying in bed at two am and
Speaker 1: his wife rolls over, apps on the shoulder, and and
Speaker 1: and says, I'm hungry, you know, go get me a snack.
Speaker 1: It's like, if she ever did that with me, I
Speaker 1: don't know what. I would just start laughing. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: and I go to sleep. But my wife doesn't have
Speaker 1: the like middle of the night cravings that that come
Speaker 1: with pregnancy for some women. But maybe it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark and Greg and West, some of
Speaker 1: the women that you left behind. I can say I
Speaker 1: was not up in the middle of the night cooking dishes.
Speaker 1: There were very few instances of that. None. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: just a regular. This is a super tropler. If you
Speaker 1: read NFL dot com, you'll know that my latest end around,
Speaker 1: I gave a list of tropes that we've been building
Speaker 1: through the offseason, and back to back. I talked about
Speaker 1: uh two lines that are used often that ended up
Speaker 1: getting used in the same comment from Todd Bowls on
Speaker 1: Wednesday or on Tuesday. This is what the Jets coach
Speaker 1: had to say. Gino Smith is light years ahead of
Speaker 1: where he was last year. He's night and day. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, Maron light years ahead, which we talked about
Speaker 1: on the show, Like that's never used in any other
Speaker 1: uh aspect of society anymore, but in football training camps
Speaker 1: and night and day uh, which also trope, trope, trope.
Speaker 1: I'd be a little word, Fitzpatrick. We got Gina Smith
Speaker 1: and a whole another dimension right now. To paraphrase the
Speaker 1: managing editor of NFL dot coms around the NFL, none
Speaker 1: of the stuff from O t A s means any
Speaker 1: You're better off not even paying attention and take a
Speaker 1: dirt nap. Well, there's there's one exception that we just
Speaker 1: take a long one exception for that when when a
Speaker 1: trope is absolutely true and Gina Smith is I like
Speaker 1: the way Rhoda World after Rhoto World read what you
Speaker 1: just read. They basically said, in other words, come home,
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick exactly. We're waiting, uh. And we'll close out
Speaker 1: news with the quote of the week. This from Gary
Speaker 1: will be Act via the Denver Post on the quarterback
Speaker 1: battle in Denver between Trevor Simeon and Mark Sanchez. Here's
Speaker 1: the quote. Trevor and Mark have looked each other in
Speaker 1: the eyes the whole offseason. When I sit there and
Speaker 1: I watched them practice, I think they're right there banging
Speaker 1: on each other. That's what's happening in the news. I
Speaker 1: forgot that. Not only is there that line at the
Speaker 1: end that they're looking at that trope lady is on
Speaker 1: the top ten favorite uh people ever? Oh you find her?
Speaker 1: Saucy who the trope robot? She has a name. Actually
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a burden with her Irish? You know the
Speaker 1: name when we made the what was that all right?
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're not watching Archer clean it up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's on Netflix. It's on Amazon. Go watch Archer come
Speaker 1: back to us Irish they're they actually won't. We created
Speaker 1: the trope alerb Drop. I found one of those like
Speaker 1: text to voice translations, and then you could choose some
Speaker 1: different women in different parts of the world. I think
Speaker 1: her name was like Bridget from UK. Bridget from UK.
Speaker 1: Dan just nailed it, so did you? Is she on bumble? Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's time for you to start narrowing down the women.
Speaker 1: I know you've been active, and that's fine, and we
Speaker 1: applaud you. But now it's time to take that group.
Speaker 1: It's like in my my favorite the euro Euro. You
Speaker 1: don't even believe this. No, listen, you know there's the
Speaker 1: group stage. All right, let's advance out of the group
Speaker 1: stage into the knockout stage. You don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: doing behind the scenes. I've already begun the narrowing, the
Speaker 1: winnowing process. Okay, so then we're on the same page. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't even believe it. It seems like you
Speaker 1: were still. It's like a group B, group C, group Y,
Speaker 1: e X, Like, let's get onto the next stage. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Well this is probably better.
Speaker 1: Let's take this offline. Largely applaud the effort in general.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of action going on, a lot of
Speaker 1: progress and trade in actions with Right, he's got one,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much turnkey. Right, he's got yu O going,
Speaker 1: he's got COPA America over here, he's the world top
Speaker 1: the MLS finals. Well, I don't his bank account no
Speaker 1: longer exists. I don't think never mind, it's I think
Speaker 1: you guys are overstated. We'll save it for the West
Speaker 1: Love Life podcast coming later in the off season. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. That's what's happening in the news. Now
Speaker 1: it's time for Superstar Club. Alright, Greg, first one, you
Speaker 1: failed fiasco, I need the artist and the featuring well
Speaker 1: Prizes is featured. That's correct, the only single of merit
Speaker 1: from the lost Fuji. Yeah, this one. This woman is
Speaker 1: a Maryland native. My brain is just terrible. It was maya.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, whenn't have gotten that? All right? Who is
Speaker 1: I think in callis for a second, but I just
Speaker 1: knew that wasn't right? Who else has a guest verse
Speaker 1: on that? Of course the late Big Baby Jesus in
Speaker 1: all right, here we go, uh Superstar Club sixteen. One
Speaker 1: man enters, one man must leave. And this is when
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit, you know, gets a little
Speaker 1: tricky here because we respect all the men in in
Speaker 1: the NFL that have become all pros and Pro bowlers.
Speaker 1: But uh, father time is undefeated. Tom Brady will learn
Speaker 1: that this year. I will not. He's not included in mind,
Speaker 1: I stayed away from that. But just an example of
Speaker 1: how age gets everyone. So we gotta kick somebody out.
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be aged by the way. Maybe circumstance
Speaker 1: kicks them out of the uh superstar club, because what
Speaker 1: is greg What is the definition of a superstar? Let's
Speaker 1: let's start there. Well, that's a great question. I think
Speaker 1: someone that is a household name to football fans and
Speaker 1: is playing at a level where they are one of
Speaker 1: the very best players at their position, a game changer,
Speaker 1: if you will. Yeah, because you could be a superstar
Speaker 1: not playing particularly well. But for this, for this purpose,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really make sense. It's it's someone even if
Speaker 1: you're on a bad team, people by now people know
Speaker 1: about you. You put the meat in the seats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Darrell Casey is a great player. He's not He's not
Speaker 1: been in the superstar club yet, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Cam Newton's a superstar just because we'd rather
Speaker 1: write on Victor Cruze. No, because he never acknowledged Drell
Speaker 1: care now, because he'd have to do it year after year,
Speaker 1: and he'd have to get to a level where he
Speaker 1: did not play well. Nobody in the national media. We'll talk.
Speaker 1: He talked about that he had a bad two thousand fourteen.
Speaker 1: The second point was gonna be just he would have
Speaker 1: to be in the top five defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: year type of guy. I think you know. I was
Speaker 1: asking for a simple but it was a lot of emotions.
Speaker 1: Outside the Superstar Club, people want to get in and out.
Speaker 1: It's people get hurt. It's like the scene and knocked
Speaker 1: up outside the bar and uh seen him knocked up
Speaker 1: outside the bar. I'm trying to get the ref what
Speaker 1: happened in that scene, you know when Leslie Man is
Speaker 1: trying to get into the bar and he says, you too.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a brutal um. Okay, So it's a
Speaker 1: good movie. It's been a while. Tarll Casey's been great
Speaker 1: for three years. Greg sticking all right, He's not in
Speaker 1: the Superstar Club though, right, I would agree that you
Speaker 1: step it up, all right. This is a tough game
Speaker 1: and uh, showing what a big person I am. I
Speaker 1: I wrote a piece last year, last June at this
Speaker 1: time where I added the likes of c. J. Spiller,
Speaker 1: uh and Randall Cobb and Cleil mac That worked out okay,
Speaker 1: but kicked out the likes of Brandon Marshall who had
Speaker 1: the best season ever, Larry Fitzgerald who stuck as father
Speaker 1: Time in a big spot, and Jimmy Graham, that was fine. Uh,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, you kicked out Greg last year. Uh so
Speaker 1: this is not an easy game, so we're gonna try
Speaker 1: it again. Mark Sessler get us going, Uh, well, this
Speaker 1: is not going to help on a show when I've
Speaker 1: been at odds with the host the entire time. But
Speaker 1: I am uh. This will involve in New York Jet.
Speaker 1: It will also involve a Jacksonville Jaguar. Allen Robinson. I
Speaker 1: am locating him for superstar status. I think he's in
Speaker 1: a great situation in a young offense where he last
Speaker 1: year on a bad team at fourteen hundred yards. I
Speaker 1: understand garbage, tell him, you know, please, but fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: The guy makes plays. He's the number one target for
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles, and for me, it's a no brainer. Allen
Speaker 1: Robinson was not a flash in the pan. Everything about
Speaker 1: him suggests that he's around for the long term. He
Speaker 1: gets my vote in place of I'm sorry, Dan, you
Speaker 1: just mentioned him. Brandon Marshall a cheap shot against a jet,
Speaker 1: A shocker. I think we have to pick someone. It's not.
Speaker 1: I rather like Brandon Marshall, but thirty two years old,
Speaker 1: and I think part of it is also situational, especially
Speaker 1: if that offense is not with its quarterback. I get that. Wait, no,
Speaker 1: Jan Gilly still there, and Marshall is still Brandon Marshall.
Speaker 1: He's not. I mean he's thirty two, he's not thirty six.
Speaker 1: And again, people forget how good this guy was. A
Speaker 1: hundred and nine catches yards fourteen touchdowns a career high.
Speaker 1: He carried that offense all season long. Uh ripe to
Speaker 1: come back to earth. But you know he could still
Speaker 1: be a superstar. I mean, I just I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think the game is worth much if I'm picking
Speaker 1: someone that started to fade me. Hang on, I get it.
Speaker 1: He's a guy who when he was twenty six twenty
Speaker 1: seven years old, everyone thought would not have a lasting
Speaker 1: career because he's had more surgeries than anyone in the
Speaker 1: Superstar club probably. I mean, he has had a million
Speaker 1: surgeries and he plays such a physical style. People thought
Speaker 1: he would break down, and we thought that was starting
Speaker 1: to happen a couple of years ago in Chicago. And yeah,
Speaker 1: last season he was better than ever six years, six years,
Speaker 1: including last season with at least twelve hundred receiving yards.
Speaker 1: So he's been remarkably productive. All right, so in Allen
Speaker 1: Robinson of the Jaguars out Brandon Marshall of the Jets.
Speaker 1: That would be very bad news for the Jets if
Speaker 1: he uh steps down. I gonna say, if Robinson was
Speaker 1: on another team, he might already be in the superst
Speaker 1: For the Jaguars kind of just kept him under the radar.
Speaker 1: It's in the Drill Casey category where he's already a
Speaker 1: superstar by talent, but the rest of the country doesn't know.
Speaker 1: There are yeah, multiple uh boxes the check to become
Speaker 1: a true superstar fourteen last year, all right, Wes, who's
Speaker 1: coming into the Superstar Club? Well, I considered Marcus Mariota
Speaker 1: and out goes Tony Romo like that stick with that.
Speaker 1: I considered David Johnson and out goes Matt Porte, another
Speaker 1: Jets stunner. Yeah, shocking that a thirty ye old running
Speaker 1: back switching teams might not work out with But I
Speaker 1: ended up going Amari Cooper Is into the Superstar Club.
Speaker 1: Steve Smith hurts me to do it. Oh and I
Speaker 1: know you can say Steve Smith no longer a superstar,
Speaker 1: but before he got injured last year, right in line
Speaker 1: with Antonio Brown, and Julio Jones in production fast too
Speaker 1: before the injury. Yes, Amari Cooper, I think people forget
Speaker 1: if his if the Radar season would have ended in
Speaker 1: like week nine or ten. This is right about the
Speaker 1: time that Daniel Jeremiah on the Move the Sticks podcast
Speaker 1: was saying, I'd rather have a Mare Cooper than Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: He was that impressive early in the season, battled an
Speaker 1: injury down the stretch, Derek Carr's play fell off, and
Speaker 1: we kind of have this impression of Amari Cooper not
Speaker 1: not being as impressive in December because he dropped a
Speaker 1: ton of passage. I totally agree, but he did drop
Speaker 1: more and in the lack of concentration that comes from
Speaker 1: I think he had more. Yeah, it could be wrong way.
Speaker 1: I think he had more drops, you know, per throw
Speaker 1: by far than any receiving leagues. It was a problem
Speaker 1: for him last year that he would love to correct
Speaker 1: because his production would get even higher to superstar level
Speaker 1: if he cuts those out. He had one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty targets last year that has been near the top
Speaker 1: of the league. Would have been in the one seventies
Speaker 1: or eighty. Yeah, he's insane. Marshall last season had a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three targets. Um so he yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's wrong but me but uh yeah, that seems like
Speaker 1: a fair one. Especially the quarterback is so important that
Speaker 1: in terms of a component to whether the wide receiver
Speaker 1: makes leap. We're all big fans of car. Now there's
Speaker 1: logic there. I kind of look at it the other way.
Speaker 1: The wide receiver is important to the quarterback making the
Speaker 1: leap in the same way that Randy Moss gave people
Speaker 1: career years. Mary Cooper can make Derek Carr look like
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than he is. Interesting. Interesting if Steve
Speaker 1: you know Steve Smith, you could argue at this point,
Speaker 1: but it's hard for West to say that that's absolutely
Speaker 1: a superstar a household name. I mean, you're waffling all
Speaker 1: over the place on your definition of a superstar. Who
Speaker 1: is well he he might not even like there is
Speaker 1: at least a twenty I feel like there's a chance
Speaker 1: Steve Smith never played another down in the NFL. Again,
Speaker 1: it may not be a big chance, but there's at
Speaker 1: least a chance. Well, in our June podcast, he qualifies
Speaker 1: what who were your other ones? Mary Yoda and Romo
Speaker 1: and Guy would have remember with this to give to
Speaker 1: the social team, David Johnson and Mett for take Mariotta
Speaker 1: Romo is say that's what you title a podcast with
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley and Tony Romo out Mariota in. Uh moving on,
Speaker 1: I am going the backfield. I am and welcoming in.
Speaker 1: I know Greg, you're gonna be excited to hear this.
Speaker 1: His names, he's a coming back from n C. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if he's ready to be UH All Pro
Speaker 1: this year. And David Johnson was a great option by West.
Speaker 1: I thought about David Johnson, Bruce Arians pleased him to
Speaker 1: be the future of the running back position, but I
Speaker 1: went with a young tale back that just got a
Speaker 1: brand new deal operating deep in the heart attacks Lamar Miller.
Speaker 1: Come on in, baby, you're going to the superstar club.
Speaker 1: You're getting called up to the big club. Because an
Speaker 1: explosive young back playing in an offense with a game
Speaker 1: changing wide receiver in a new quarterback that's gonna be
Speaker 1: not be has to do too much. So Lamar is
Speaker 1: gonna have a major role a guy that catches the
Speaker 1: football out of the backfield. Uh So it'll be a
Speaker 1: safety blanket to Rock Oswiler, a guy that breaks big runs,
Speaker 1: Maro and this guy has explosive playmaking ability. And this
Speaker 1: is gonna be egg all over your face. Uh, scientists,
Speaker 1: when this guy is going to the Pro Bowl? Uh
Speaker 1: in January or February. Well you you mean not after
Speaker 1: seven other players drop out of the Pro Bowl. No,
Speaker 1: he a legit Pro bowler. He will have you know,
Speaker 1: close to I would say, fourteen hundred total yards. He's
Speaker 1: had twelve hundred before, so he's gotta juice it uPAR
Speaker 1: total that's not even that good. Might not even get
Speaker 1: him to the Pro Bowl. You mean rushing yards, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because last year there's a ton of rushing yards in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm just saying, looky, he's that thirteen seventy
Speaker 1: four two years ago. He's got it. You gotta you
Speaker 1: get to the Superstar cub. You gotta be sniffing. I
Speaker 1: don't appreciate anything by the scientists. Here's the thing, Mark,
Speaker 1: and thank you. I appreciate your supper because you're getting
Speaker 1: undred maybe receiving that that. I don't fear you beaker
Speaker 1: next downstairs at the basement. I believe in Lamar Miller, right,
Speaker 1: So hang some monions don't say it. Well, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be so much better. He's twenty six yards.
Speaker 1: Open up the door of the scientist lab. Open that
Speaker 1: door up, irish, I thought, way it was closed? Okay,
Speaker 1: open on the get the keys. Wait. I want to read, uh,
Speaker 1: I want to read. An email sent from Hansas commed
Speaker 1: Dan Tuesday, June fourteenth, at three pm. Dan was the
Speaker 1: final around the NFL writer to respond to my plea
Speaker 1: for making the leap candidates this year. And so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read from the top of his list, Lamar Miller,
Speaker 1: Lamar Miller. I asked for five to seven names. Lamar Miller,
Speaker 1: Lamar Miller, Lamar Miller, Lamar Miller, Lamar Miller, Lamar Miller
Speaker 1: was and the two years and then I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna reveal his other names, but there was
Speaker 1: I remember writing it up. Well, now he's truly ready
Speaker 1: to make the Leap two superstar. Can we open that
Speaker 1: door yet? You know what my thought is, you don't
Speaker 1: need to go downstairs. You're making your own lab. Excellent adjustment.
Speaker 1: I also had a beautiful picture in Lamar Milliar with
Speaker 1: it we're in the lab. What you got? I was
Speaker 1: just gonna open the door and throw stink bomb down
Speaker 1: there and close them up. You make them come to
Speaker 1: your lab now. Um, all right, so I gotta send
Speaker 1: somebody out, and the person I will send out, you know,
Speaker 1: have fun. You know, have fun, Lamar, You're now a
Speaker 1: superstar and you're gonna get the sticking in the signs
Speaker 1: of his face out the door. Well, Shawn McCoy, nice run, really,
Speaker 1: nice run. You. Uh, you should be a superstar. Still.
Speaker 1: You still have age on your side. I think you're
Speaker 1: twenty eight now and no serious knee injury or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you don't feel like the same guy anymore.
Speaker 1: Last year you seem to come down to earth. You
Speaker 1: had all those hamstring issues. I don't like what's going
Speaker 1: on up in Buffalo. I've been very vocal about my
Speaker 1: feelings about the Bills in the season and that regime.
Speaker 1: Uh So I believe after a second straight subpar season,
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy, well, while still useful back, perhaps no longer superstar.
Speaker 1: We look on the bright side. Now he has more
Speaker 1: time to concentrate on being a better human being. In
Speaker 1: a related story, you must believe that Carlos Williams sheds
Speaker 1: the baby fat then because you have a much bigger
Speaker 1: role than well. I my I still think Lashawan McCoy
Speaker 1: will be used as a focal point. I just think
Speaker 1: maybe the days of him being a monster two thousand
Speaker 1: yard all purpose back with twenty plus touchdowns, I think
Speaker 1: those are over. He goes, he's going down, he's trending downward.
Speaker 1: A lot of another Doug Whaley home run out of
Speaker 1: the park you make, you make a strong Ireland I
Speaker 1: think he was better down the stretch last season than
Speaker 1: west Ad for instance. But you make a pretty strong
Speaker 1: argument from McCoy also that maybe he's not a player
Speaker 1: that stays in peak form as he gets older. I
Speaker 1: think that could make some sense, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: And this could blow uphim my face and he could
Speaker 1: lead the league in rushing next year. But I really
Speaker 1: do believe they're going to go in the other direction
Speaker 1: and Lashawn McCoy's prime is behind him. Sorry, buddy, this
Speaker 1: is you gotta hang Greg close us out all right? Well,
Speaker 1: I I think of the superstar club as you know,
Speaker 1: you can be a good player, but you're not in
Speaker 1: the superstar club. T Y Hilton has been a very
Speaker 1: good player, certainly two years ago Uh, he was recognized
Speaker 1: as being a great receiver, but I think he is
Speaker 1: ready to take a step to the Stuperstar club and
Speaker 1: contend for the league lead in in yards, be like
Speaker 1: a fifteen six hundred yard plus receiver in that system.
Speaker 1: And him and Luck both so motivated, and I think
Speaker 1: he's just reaching that point in his career where he's
Speaker 1: ready to start making some arguments about what a great player.
Speaker 1: He is a top three or four receiver in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. And so I believe t Y Hilton enters
Speaker 1: the Superstar club this year, even in a year off
Speaker 1: and off year, That's that's kind of what I'm going
Speaker 1: Even in a law season in Indianapolis, he still had
Speaker 1: sixty nine for D and five, which most receivers would
Speaker 1: die for, if you if if we believe that the
Speaker 1: Colts getting back together, something in line with his eight
Speaker 1: and seven. But he's I'm saying, I'm saying he takes
Speaker 1: it to another level to leven maybe kind of like
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown took it to one level, then he took
Speaker 1: it to another level, and then he took it to another.
Speaker 1: I think t Y Hilton can start sneaking up into
Speaker 1: that into that territory. This is it's probably the best
Speaker 1: receiver group. Has there ever been this many unbelievable receivers
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean, this is a great era
Speaker 1: right now for receivers to the crack into that Julio
Speaker 1: I'd throw DeAndre in there, Odell Beckham group. I mean,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, you gotta be you gotta be incredible. So
Speaker 1: that's that's probably more receivers playing than at any other
Speaker 1: time in the history of the sport. Out on the field,
Speaker 1: there's more three four wide receiver sets, younger players advancing quicker,
Speaker 1: and I think that Colts team is just gonna put
Speaker 1: up crazy art. I believe the Cardinals will too. And
Speaker 1: yet it pains me. Uh, someone's got to come out
Speaker 1: of the superstar club. And Larry Fitzgerald is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest receivers ever. Is doing it to him again?
Speaker 1: I never did it to him before. Uh, But he's
Speaker 1: in a system and a team where I think the
Speaker 1: ball is gonna get passed around a lot. He's not
Speaker 1: as as much juice as he showed at times last year.
Speaker 1: He is getting up there in years. He's been in
Speaker 1: the NFL a long time and and there's been various
Speaker 1: points of his career where even the Cardinals thought he
Speaker 1: was taking a little bit of a step back. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he's coming off a strong year. But I think with
Speaker 1: John Brown and Floyd and Nelson and David Johnson and
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson and everyone else getting the ball here, I
Speaker 1: think Larry Fitzjoe can start segueing into a solid starter.
Speaker 1: So is it more about where he's at physically and
Speaker 1: his talent or that they have to both both. That
Speaker 1: he is not gonna because last year there was a
Speaker 1: lot of mouth defeed and he's still excelled. But I
Speaker 1: think if you look late in the season, our friend
Speaker 1: Matt Harmon had this tweet. I remember just yesterday looking
Speaker 1: at when all three receivers were healthy together. He was
Speaker 1: the third receiver in terms of production compared to Floyd
Speaker 1: and Brown at the end of the season, and they
Speaker 1: were all healthy. Here's what to Gregg's point, Larry fits
Speaker 1: from December on and don't forget about an incredible playoff
Speaker 1: game against Green Bay. But oh yeah, don't forget about
Speaker 1: the most important game on the schedule. Oh no, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But this is this, is this something to say to
Speaker 1: the last five games after that amazing start to the
Speaker 1: last season eight for fifty five, five forty one, three
Speaker 1: for forty three, four nine six for fifty five. The
Speaker 1: game after that Green Bay game against Carolina four for
Speaker 1: thirty uh was, you know, one of his best games
Speaker 1: ever against Green Bay. So he's hardly shot, But I would.
Speaker 1: I really just expected better out of Greg. Oh. Please, look,
Speaker 1: we all can't disrespect a man who has disrespect. You gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta it's something bold. You already took the thirty
Speaker 1: seven year old coming off Achilles surgery, so I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't take that easy pickets. I had to go
Speaker 1: with someone that's a legit superstar age thirty three uh
Speaker 1: by week one Lara Fitz, Yeah, that's fair West. That
Speaker 1: was maybe the easiest guy to kick off this list
Speaker 1: was the old man with the bad a kid. I
Speaker 1: can't keep track of Greg's definition of a superstar. It
Speaker 1: goes it's all over there, all right, all right, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go West style Peyton Manning. He's out of
Speaker 1: the superstar Banton Manning the worst quarterback in the NFL
Speaker 1: last year. Steve Smith played like an All Pro before
Speaker 1: the injury um alrights like Larry's he's out of the club.
Speaker 1: He's done. I can't believe he did. Larry Fitzgerald dirty
Speaker 1: like that, He's he's earned more respect. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: an easy game. That's that is the Superstar Club. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure um our listeners will remind us of our failures,
Speaker 1: because there will be failures. Uh, there always are, and
Speaker 1: perhaps this is the year we now don't go four
Speaker 1: for four. We will be back on Thursday with our
Speaker 1: third show of the week, Dan Helly. Like I said,
Speaker 1: we'll sit in uh with the group for the news,
Speaker 1: which will be fun. The face of Total Access, at
Speaker 1: least the masculine face of Total Access. Lindsay Rhodes co
Speaker 1: hosts that program, uh famously. Uh So that is what's
Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow. We'll map out I don't know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about, but I'll tell you what. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot to dig into. Mini camps wrapping
Speaker 1: up twenty four teams wrapping up the off season. It's
Speaker 1: over tomorrow, six week dark period for the NFL. UH
Speaker 1: where the teams actually say to their players, get out
Speaker 1: of here, stay out of trouble, go on vacation. Be
Speaker 1: with your families. They'll stop, We'll keep going. That's what
Speaker 1: we do. We're pros until Thursday. This Dan Hanzas signing
Speaker 1: off for Quiet star Mark. Just joking about the vacation.
Speaker 1: We're friends. Don't worry about it. I'm not gonna take it,
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. The mail man, the boss,
Speaker 1: the big Irish behind the glass. It's out Thursday. None
Speaker 1: of that garbage. H