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Speaker 1: joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? I love it. I
Speaker 1: agree with that Matt money Smith with the money drop
Speaker 1: there is the best part his opinion too, and his
Speaker 1: close friends with quite a few other podcasters around here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the former manager of the Irish altar rock group
Speaker 1: the Cranberries. So fit that into the narrative as well, somehow,
Speaker 1: if you must, that's an amazing career. I mean that's
Speaker 1: it's taken him a long time. I would say to Surpass,
Speaker 1: that's an amazing achievement. What money was the manager of
Speaker 1: the Cranberries. By the way, we should Money should come
Speaker 1: in to do an episode with us. I've asked him
Speaker 1: several times. He has an afternoon, very busy video show.
Speaker 1: When you have a voice that sounds like that, you know,
Speaker 1: the offspring of Tom Broke, all your career is made
Speaker 1: for you. Uh, he does have golden pipes. Good show today, Babe, Babe.
Speaker 1: What's the worst song in human? I used to was
Speaker 1: better than old Dolores did it? My favorite singing voices West.
Speaker 1: I love when West sing their tanks and their bonds.
Speaker 1: His pitching tones unbeatable, but hearing Greg dropped the zombie
Speaker 1: there farmer front man for Delaware. Yeah, well that's true
Speaker 1: that you're bringing out those chops that are so famous.
Speaker 1: And again, if you do have any any history of Delaware,
Speaker 1: which was Greg's prog goth rock band in the late
Speaker 1: not true that when we have the meet up, people
Speaker 1: thought that was really a true thing that I was
Speaker 1: in a goth band. The images you take, you know,
Speaker 1: tickling the ivories as you sing about doom and gloom
Speaker 1: in um suburban Massachusetts light. We remember this, but what
Speaker 1: we need is actual audio footage of your career. So
Speaker 1: if anyone and I know there are people that listen
Speaker 1: to this show that have ties to Greg from back home.
Speaker 1: Please reach out to us, hit me up at Twitter.
Speaker 1: We will make sure to make it worth your wife,
Speaker 1: even Greg's family, I mean various members of your family
Speaker 1: listen to this show. They've got the goods. They definitely
Speaker 1: don't have the good tower. They don't have photos of
Speaker 1: you when you were a youth. But what we're looking
Speaker 1: for now is, actually, you know how Prince had they
Speaker 1: had the vault that has all his recordings that were unreleased.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in Martha's vineyard. There's a vault, a more valuable vault,
Speaker 1: the principal, Yes, that has all of Delawares recordings. Yes
Speaker 1: or no? Greg, that could not be less true. I
Speaker 1: barely had it. They definitely never heard it then much
Speaker 1: less now. All right, today's show is a good one. Um,
Speaker 1: we pre show grade B plus. Of course we exceeded
Speaker 1: the pre show grade on Monday show, I thought, and
Speaker 1: some of the listeners that got back to us believe
Speaker 1: so as well. So we could. What you don't want
Speaker 1: to do, West is remember the We'll tell you a
Speaker 1: little story was about don't go Vince Young dream Team
Speaker 1: on me. The two thousand and eleven Philadelphia Eagles uh
Speaker 1: known as the Dream Team you don't put yourself in
Speaker 1: an A plus where going because we don't want a
Speaker 1: dream team ourselves. Well we could go be minus, you
Speaker 1: could go even lower. Yeah, but but I believe in
Speaker 1: the show. See that's why B plus is a nice
Speaker 1: place for us. You found a good spot. I would
Speaker 1: love to get Vince Young on the show, by the way,
Speaker 1: I imagine if he was just like regularly a part
Speaker 1: of the show times a year. I bet Gil gil Brandt,
Speaker 1: who works at the NFL, of course, could hook that
Speaker 1: up he wants. He once called me up gil Brandt
Speaker 1: when I was working for the NFL out of my
Speaker 1: apartment in New York, said, hey, greg Um, would you
Speaker 1: like to talk to Vince Young? And and Vince Young
Speaker 1: was doing a workout that day for NFL teams. He
Speaker 1: was trying to make a comeback and I and I
Speaker 1: said sure, And this all happened within fifteen seconds, no warning.
Speaker 1: And he hands the phone to Vince Young, and I
Speaker 1: was on the on the phone with Vince Younger. You
Speaker 1: can find this article somewhere in the Did you in
Speaker 1: the article did you get into how it all happened?
Speaker 1: I think I did. I think I mentioned this opportunity
Speaker 1: you didn't. Um. Okay, today's show, um, we are going
Speaker 1: to get into the news around the NFL. UM. That's
Speaker 1: why we called you around the NFL podcast. Also, today
Speaker 1: is a big NFC North day, So if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of the other divisions in football, shut off your
Speaker 1: podcast after the news because we're not gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about anybody else. That's it, but the NFC North. I
Speaker 1: am warning you with peace and love to turn off
Speaker 1: this podcast after the news if you are expecting anything
Speaker 1: else other than NFC nor North power bombs, because we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into it. Because Greg Rosenthal wrote a killer
Speaker 1: piece uh part of our series that will be rolling
Speaker 1: out over the next few weeks projected starters for the
Speaker 1: NFC North headline Bears on the Rise, and that didn't
Speaker 1: sit well with everyone in the NFC North. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. Greg's starting some heat. Very polarizing
Speaker 1: day for Greg Rosenthal and you know West, you know
Speaker 1: as well as I do, and Mark obviously as well.
Speaker 1: Greg's always starting heat, whether because he's always honking in
Speaker 1: the news honking you could hear Greg's doesn't sit near
Speaker 1: us exactly in the newsrooms, but we could always hear him.
Speaker 1: He was honking at somebody right before we came up
Speaker 1: for the part Tyler Dragon. He was honking about I
Speaker 1: think the Thunder not having a chance in the playoffs
Speaker 1: after game one. Yeah, he said they had no chance,
Speaker 1: and I tried to get a sandwich prop that they
Speaker 1: would win at least two or three games. That's the
Speaker 1: ideal Greg proposition. Yeah, see all ideal Greg. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you're hung bro, you're hug It's okay. We like you,
Speaker 1: just like pure or false. This morning a woman called
Speaker 1: me the strong and silent type in that's Greg. Girls
Speaker 1: with a regular John Wayne first time or to the newsroom,
Speaker 1: someone that's embedded in our newsroom. Um, so that's that's
Speaker 1: the show for today. Well, behind the glass there is irishman.
Speaker 1: What's up, Bud? Nothing much I'm thinking about. We need
Speaker 1: to go out to karaoke to see what Greg really
Speaker 1: has going behind those pipes. Not much. Well, Greg's more,
Speaker 1: you don't have to like, you don't have to have
Speaker 1: a beautifully classically trained voice to have a great rock
Speaker 1: singer's voice. And that's what Delaware was about. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a little grungy, a little you know, kind
Speaker 1: of under It was it was almost the very nature
Speaker 1: of alternative music was what what Delaware was well, also
Speaker 1: telling that the band never existed beyond the milieu of
Speaker 1: middle school. Let's lose an issue with talent. That's what
Speaker 1: it means. Really well, agreed to disagree. We don't typically
Speaker 1: do drops from an anchorman um in two thousand sixteen. However, Uh,
Speaker 1: that is something we will get into a little bit
Speaker 1: later at Detroit Lions Haymaker thrown via social media at
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Uh, that we will get into a little
Speaker 1: bit later. That's called the teas in the business. But
Speaker 1: let's start. Park's got their vapors over here. No, no again,
Speaker 1: Now I'm doing I'm done, all right. You look a
Speaker 1: little pale too. I uh you know, I'm like twenty
Speaker 1: minutes out of the dentist chair. This is a little
Speaker 1: bit bizarre. And you said you haven't eaten since last night,
Speaker 1: which is awesome bizarre. Let's start with Melvin Gordon, the
Speaker 1: Chargers running back who um not only had a tough
Speaker 1: rookie season but also began um spice racks descent into madness.
Speaker 1: So it's really a notable player in NFL history. UM,
Speaker 1: A lot of people are thinking you know. Uh, the
Speaker 1: former first round pick has a chance to bounce back
Speaker 1: in year two. However, Uh. It was revealed on Tuesday
Speaker 1: that Gordon Um underwent micro fracture knee surgery this offseason.
Speaker 1: This according to Michael Gelkin of the Union Tribune in
Speaker 1: San Diego, he underwent the procedure in January and was
Speaker 1: given a recovery timetable of four to six months. Um.
Speaker 1: He does not anticipate being limited in practices, believes he'll
Speaker 1: be ready for training camp. Hurt himself in a December
Speaker 1: twentie game, so his season was already going in a
Speaker 1: bad direction when this injury occurred. Uh. And then had
Speaker 1: this to say, I'm getting better. I'm getting better. I'm
Speaker 1: not where I want to be, but I think I'm
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. I'm sprinting pretty well. I'm cutting west.
Speaker 1: After a very tough first year where the word bust
Speaker 1: started to get thrown around, this is literally like one
Speaker 1: of the last things you want to hear about a
Speaker 1: young running back. Yeah, it is. And there are different
Speaker 1: degrees of micro fracture. Some of them are very invasive
Speaker 1: and can alter a career, and others, as we've seen
Speaker 1: with guys like Marcus Coleston who has had several microfractures,
Speaker 1: and most recently Travis Kelsey. It hasn't taken any speed
Speaker 1: or cutting ability away from Kelsey, who had it UH
Speaker 1: after his rookie season. So it's hard to tell how
Speaker 1: this will affect Melvin Gordon in two thousand sixteen and
Speaker 1: going forward. Vant's perfect too, Yes, added I mean, but
Speaker 1: it's much more of a case by case depending on
Speaker 1: the players physical makeup, it seems, and other types of surgery.
Speaker 1: Their GM Tom Tolesco said, each one is different and
Speaker 1: they're trying to make the case. And it was presented
Speaker 1: in this article that this was a very low impact
Speaker 1: UH surgery compared to other micro fractors, although you always
Speaker 1: hear that there's really no way to tell until they're
Speaker 1: on the field. But yeah, what a night what a
Speaker 1: nightmare for this injury didn't really wasn't the cause of
Speaker 1: his UH disappointing rookie season. The injury happened December, you know,
Speaker 1: very late in the season. So I think the cause
Speaker 1: of his rookie season was he hesitated at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage too often. You know. I think he got
Speaker 1: better at that though. I went and watched for that
Speaker 1: running redrafting the running backs. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: bad down the stretch at all. He wasn't amazing, but
Speaker 1: he was a good receiver. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: hesitant that offensive line was so bad. He had so
Speaker 1: many negative five yard runs where he had nothing that
Speaker 1: he could possibly do that I give him a little
Speaker 1: bit of a pass for that. I was hopeful he
Speaker 1: was going to get a lot better this year. On
Speaker 1: the plus side, he also had a couple instances where
Speaker 1: he blast off like a twenty yard or Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could see the the attributes that the charges were excited about.
Speaker 1: Occasionally you could see the burst and you could see
Speaker 1: the receiving ability, and you could see they didn't add
Speaker 1: any running backs this offseason, so that that shows a
Speaker 1: little We're really just trying to, you know, concourage, keep
Speaker 1: Spice rack above, spice all above ground because we're getting
Speaker 1: a little dark. Last time, Just in case anyone was wondering,
Speaker 1: there's no decision has been made about Spice rock Weather.
Speaker 1: He will be allowed back on the program after his
Speaker 1: unhinged performance this week. Moving on, Julian Edelman, Patriots wide receiver,
Speaker 1: really has become um, you know, not counting Gronk. Of course,
Speaker 1: Um tom Brady's favorite target, and the guy delivers year
Speaker 1: after year. However, injuries continue to haunt the wide out.
Speaker 1: He recently underwent minor surgery. It was deemed on Hey,
Speaker 1: it's always minor surgery when it's not you, right, guys
Speaker 1: um on his left foot to reinsert a screw from
Speaker 1: a past procedure, A source informed of the situation told
Speaker 1: NFL Media insider Ian Rappaport Edelman was spotted wearing a
Speaker 1: protective boot at the Patriots facility on Wednesday. However, Greg,
Speaker 1: he is on track to return for training camp. There
Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing to worry about, is there there is?
Speaker 1: They always say on track to return for training camp.
Speaker 1: I mean that's there's no there's no rules based on
Speaker 1: injury reporting in the off season. He broke the foot
Speaker 1: in November, right, he had a surgery. Then they said
Speaker 1: after the season that he would not need a second surgery,
Speaker 1: and here you are in May getting a second surgery.
Speaker 1: They wish they did it four months ago. Clearly the
Speaker 1: pain didn't go away. He's had foot problems before. I
Speaker 1: believe he missed most of our half the two thousand
Speaker 1: twelve season with the foot injury. So you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want your number one receiver with a foot injury.
Speaker 1: That's bad business. The Patriots love these small receivers who
Speaker 1: do slants and crossing routes because they fit with what
Speaker 1: Tom Brady does. But receivers are also injury prone. This
Speaker 1: is that flute. How the flute keeps powering. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget about Chris Hogan. It was already essentially he's already
Speaker 1: leading the league in Pro Bowl votes right now. You know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they're just like this guy is gonna
Speaker 1: just go in and set it on fire. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like the ultimate test really said that. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I just feel that when it comes to Chris Hogan,
Speaker 1: and I even stuff I've written cause I trust the
Speaker 1: Patriots so much that when they, you know, stole him
Speaker 1: away from the bills and clothes, that it's like he's
Speaker 1: ticketed for the next, you know, shining possession receiver type
Speaker 1: role for them. And I love it because it will
Speaker 1: set Rex Ryan Rex Ryan's mind and body on fire.
Speaker 1: He don't he won't know what to do with that
Speaker 1: area White on rocket ride to success. He's a little
Speaker 1: more physical. I'm talking about Rex. He is the ultimate
Speaker 1: Tessa Hogan. If he becomes a one catch Pro Bowl guy. Literally,
Speaker 1: the Patriots can take any one of those types of guys, uh,
Speaker 1: those scrappy guys and turn them into and they'll probably
Speaker 1: have Josh Gordon a month from now. Mark once wrote
Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick could turn Anne Hathaway into a thousand
Speaker 1: yard running back. He can, I'd worry about durability issues
Speaker 1: and got some moves. By the way, your stereotyping a
Speaker 1: little bit. Chris Hogan's got prototype size. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a big receiver. He's an outside He's an outside receiver.
Speaker 1: He is not the same as I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: not the same profile as Edelman and Amund Dolan. He's
Speaker 1: like basically Megatron when you compare our physics as quick
Speaker 1: as exactly, That's what I mean. He's like to Chris's point,
Speaker 1: it's how they use receivers too. And now I'm not kidding,
Speaker 1: I could see them getting Josh Gordon fifty days from now,
Speaker 1: and everything changes in New England. They do have something
Speaker 1: Mark's greatest fear. It's not a fear any prominent Brown
Speaker 1: leaves the team. It makes acrimonium becomes a hall. It
Speaker 1: makes sense for them, and it's it's gonna happen. It
Speaker 1: would because it doesn't happen a lot, because right now
Speaker 1: I feel like you actually it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of Chris Carter's it's going to
Speaker 1: happen if Gregg's benefit ed Omen missed Week one, they're
Speaker 1: starting receivers are are what Hogan Amndola and Malcolm Mitchell what?
Speaker 1: I don't know. With an untested quarterback with no experience
Speaker 1: behind center, they'll be running two wide outsets with Martella's Bennett.
Speaker 1: There you go. I can't wait to watch Arizona Dan
Speaker 1: Lewis the Oakland Let's move on, guys. The Oakland Raiders. Um,
Speaker 1: they're looking to get a new stadium, and you can't
Speaker 1: blame them. It's a dump up there. Uh what is it?
Speaker 1: What is the name? It's now the Ococo dot Co
Speaker 1: it used to be. I can confirm from firsthand experience
Speaker 1: that it is. Uh. I mean, it's good if you're
Speaker 1: a Raiders fan and you just like chaos. But as
Speaker 1: a visiting as a fan of a year two sixteen,
Speaker 1: there is a baseball infield running through a football stadium
Speaker 1: and you guys ever go to an A's game, though
Speaker 1: certainly pleasant experience, like it's not a great stadium, but
Speaker 1: it was like a lot of fun. I went there
Speaker 1: by for like six bucks. On a drive back to
Speaker 1: the East coast, were in a straw. I was just
Speaker 1: by myself and a think it was an old beat
Speaker 1: up Nissan Central like sounds suspicious in mid nineties. Fun fact,
Speaker 1: there will never be a batting champion in Oakland because
Speaker 1: they have so much foul ground. It's not built for
Speaker 1: baseball or football, and they have a sewage break like
Speaker 1: every three years. The whole place needs to be raised. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So Raiders owner Mark Davis, Uh, he's poking around. He
Speaker 1: couldn't get to l A, so now he's looking at Vegas,
Speaker 1: which is wildly intriguing. Um as an idea, he met
Speaker 1: with a Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure committee. Those guys know
Speaker 1: how to party on April and pledged five million dollars
Speaker 1: towards the construction of a one point four billion dollar
Speaker 1: sixty thousand seed Dome stadium. Um, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of now the the cynic or perhaps a person that
Speaker 1: knows how this type of business works building stadiums and
Speaker 1: professional sports will say the Vegas is being played, uh
Speaker 1: for leverage as Al Davis tries to get a new
Speaker 1: facility either where he is now in Oakland or maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, San Diego, maybe l A. However, the
Speaker 1: mayor of Vegas does not believe so. Carol and Goodman
Speaker 1: had this this to say. Mark Davis has assured us
Speaker 1: that the law that Las Vegas is not getting played
Speaker 1: in a rador's stadium deal. I know we will have
Speaker 1: a team. There's a lot of buzzer on this. Is
Speaker 1: this something that might actually happenn't know. I think so.
Speaker 1: I think it has a legit chance. When they made
Speaker 1: that last announcement and and pledge the money and if
Speaker 1: they can get the local support to match it, like
Speaker 1: it sounded like okay, this is this is a real possibility.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's snuck up on the
Speaker 1: NFL or not, but I think it's moved a little
Speaker 1: quicker than than the NFL expected. But the NFL seems
Speaker 1: pretty open to it. I mean, the NFL has not
Speaker 1: shot it down. And Jerry Jones, uh today or or
Speaker 1: I believe Tuesday said, you know, I think Vegas is
Speaker 1: one of the crown jewel communities in the US, and
Speaker 1: he's all for moving the team West. Doesn't agree with
Speaker 1: that the worst city in the in the entire country. Well, well,
Speaker 1: I think there are there's a legitimate concern of of
Speaker 1: is there a local fan base, and it's definitely is
Speaker 1: is there a big media market? Because it was very small, right,
Speaker 1: it's a small meeting market. It's kind of like concerts there.
Speaker 1: If you're not a huge band, don't don't do well
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of people that just live
Speaker 1: there that are going to concert. Well, two things, I mean,
Speaker 1: number one, could you pick a better franchise for Las
Speaker 1: Vegas than the Raiders? And people from l A, which
Speaker 1: has a huge Raiders fan base go to Vegas at
Speaker 1: the at the first notice on Friday? All right, people
Speaker 1: going to Vegas drive right over. It couldn't be an
Speaker 1: easier drive, and you can make it a whole weekend
Speaker 1: out of it. You've got a built in West Coast
Speaker 1: fan base that could get there easily. And I will
Speaker 1: I'll give Mark Davis a little credit here too, because
Speaker 1: this is like, this is totally something Papa would do,
Speaker 1: because you know, the NFL Oakland's seen this before. Al
Speaker 1: Davis asked first medium, they wouldn't give it to him,
Speaker 1: so he went to l A. The but the idea
Speaker 1: specifically of Vegas, which is kind of a taboo type
Speaker 1: of market for any professional sports outfit, that the Raiders say,
Speaker 1: if you won't give us a place in l A,
Speaker 1: We're going to the one city that gives you the
Speaker 1: most creeps, Vegas. You know, the creeps like the old
Speaker 1: football movies where they couldn't get NFL licensing, so they'd
Speaker 1: have these wacky teams Like any given Sunday for instance,
Speaker 1: he's insane teams from bizarre cities. The Vegas Raiders just
Speaker 1: feels like something from a video game or a movie
Speaker 1: that didn't get NFL licensing. But I could warm up
Speaker 1: to it and everyone, you know, the number one thing
Speaker 1: you think about, Okay, well there's gambling there. That's that's
Speaker 1: a problem. Well, all the NFL tries to do is
Speaker 1: play more and more games in London, and everyone says, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move a team to London, like compared to
Speaker 1: compared to eight well maybe not compared to Vegas, but
Speaker 1: you know, sports betting could not be more popular and
Speaker 1: easier to do in London and more just not worried
Speaker 1: about as as an evil of society. And they don't
Speaker 1: seem to have a problem with that, so why not.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're London isn't a monument to humanity's worst instincts
Speaker 1: like Las Vegas. I'm saying is this is not as
Speaker 1: bad if you've know, if you're from the UK, we
Speaker 1: have a sizeable UK audience. That is Chris Westling's opinion.
Speaker 1: I do not find Vegas to be that terrible place.
Speaker 1: I will never go there again. I feel like after
Speaker 1: about two days there, I need like a shower and
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of that. That's what it's for.
Speaker 1: It's not a place you go for a week. Anybody
Speaker 1: that wants to go to Vegas for the first time
Speaker 1: Rack ex case study. Wait, I thought you were in
Speaker 1: the pro spice camp. I see a lot of things
Speaker 1: to like Rack. No, but I would not say that
Speaker 1: moving to Vegas is something that Spice Rack is selling
Speaker 1: as an overall holistic move. Based on his appearance, Spice
Speaker 1: Rack in Vegas is like documentary where the guy only
Speaker 1: eats fast food for a month and you see what
Speaker 1: happens to him. That's spice racks life in Vegas mentally, emotionally.
Speaker 1: Chris knows him. You know, I bankrupt. He told me
Speaker 1: he loved it there before everything went to hell in
Speaker 1: our relationship. We were hanging out atop of a roof
Speaker 1: in Vegas under the sun and you know, and by
Speaker 1: the pool. He said that that place sustained him in
Speaker 1: a great way. He loved it. Well, we're all rooting
Speaker 1: for him, except probably one or two people. You know,
Speaker 1: you're playing both sides of the fence, like we're playing
Speaker 1: go get my lunch. Yeah, you know, you keep the straddle,
Speaker 1: keep throwing these one or two people under the bus.
Speaker 1: With some very shaky groundwork out there. Hey, hey, by
Speaker 1: the way out, Chip Kelly got um you know, canned
Speaker 1: in Philly. As we know, he ended up reservicing with
Speaker 1: the forty niners, and he was known, of course as
Speaker 1: the genius in many circles um for his early work
Speaker 1: with Philly and the idea that he was revolutionizing the game.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear that as much as the Eagles started
Speaker 1: to going to decline before he was let go. But
Speaker 1: now the genius tag is back, at least according to
Speaker 1: Garrett Sellek, the tight end for the Niners, who described
Speaker 1: that the team's um offense is much different in O.
Speaker 1: T A S. It's a lot quicker. He said, we
Speaker 1: have hand signals, so you can't have fifteen words through
Speaker 1: hand signals something stuff like that. It's got to be
Speaker 1: boom boom boom. So when you get less verbiage, it's less,
Speaker 1: it's easier to remember. It's kind of genius. The genius
Speaker 1: is back people buying in, are you no? Of course
Speaker 1: I never did. I was never in on the genius.
Speaker 1: That always felt like a media construct, that he was
Speaker 1: somebody that was going to see that see something no
Speaker 1: one else could see. He was just another failed college coach.
Speaker 1: Well for any too well he knew listeners you famously
Speaker 1: and sarcastically every time he came up. Did call him
Speaker 1: the genie? I did. We had a Hollylujah drop or
Speaker 1: something that happened every Yeah, we were looking for that drop,
Speaker 1: me and the Irishman before the show, but it seems
Speaker 1: to be lost to history. Our good friend and hero,
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf I believe today, said that she would blow
Speaker 1: her brains out if anyone calls Chip a genius. That
Speaker 1: was a private text, but I just anymore. It seems unfortunate.
Speaker 1: It seems unfortunate for her to do that in the
Speaker 1: same week She's hosting h Q again on Friday. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she's done a great job on the network side. I
Speaker 1: would like to range a head to head sit down
Speaker 1: between Garrett Selleck and Heath Evans and just see Heath
Speaker 1: froth at the mouth when uh, when Garrett mentions that
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly is a genius, Well, how about the fact. Okay,
Speaker 1: Garrett Sella his brother played for for Chip Kelly, so
Speaker 1: the family likes I think Brent sels been public liking him,
Speaker 1: and you're you're knocking him like, oh he you know,
Speaker 1: he was a failed ex college coach. He he had
Speaker 1: he was ten and six to ten and six, is
Speaker 1: and one, seven and nine. So he has a winning
Speaker 1: record as an NFL head coach. He came in with
Speaker 1: offensive reputation. They finished second in yards, fifth in yards,
Speaker 1: top four and points two out of the three years.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like he was a failed coach.
Speaker 1: He was the middle of the a little better than
Speaker 1: middle of the road, if you want to be critical.
Speaker 1: He was a failed personnel guy, okay, um and the
Speaker 1: team suffered and and it should be noted that it's
Speaker 1: not just strategy. A lot of the teams seemed to
Speaker 1: despise the guy as well, something that probably is going
Speaker 1: to continue in San Francisco and frankly wherever he goes.
Speaker 1: Um so he needs to change a lot of his ways.
Speaker 1: Take a page of the Tom Coughlin book, who Learned
Speaker 1: How to get players to not hate him so much?
Speaker 1: That seems to be his biggest challenge. Uh, step away
Speaker 1: from the personnel side. Just focus on strategy and get
Speaker 1: people not to think you're well and to be fair,
Speaker 1: I mean that a lot of coaches in their first job,
Speaker 1: that's probably more of the the area to learn and
Speaker 1: grow in than the strategy. I don't think that there's
Speaker 1: anyone that questions that Chip Kelly can't put together a
Speaker 1: comprehensively intriguing offense. He can. But it was his defensive players,
Speaker 1: who were out in the field for more than any
Speaker 1: other defense in the league that struggled with that concept.
Speaker 1: And you know, people thought that Bill Belichick after he
Speaker 1: uh left Cleveland, was removed from Cleveland and then didn't
Speaker 1: take that Jets job. I'll never forget we both lived
Speaker 1: on the East Coast well he took it. But what
Speaker 1: happened over that twenty four hour period people thought Bill Belichick,
Speaker 1: if you listen to f A. N. Mike and The
Speaker 1: Mad Dog, that Bill Belichick was a nutbag. They just
Speaker 1: thought that he had completely melted down and lost it
Speaker 1: as a human being, and he was viewed as someone
Speaker 1: that was anti player that players didn't like. So the
Speaker 1: question is Ken Chip Kelly fixed that part of his game.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick also resigned on a cocktail napkin. It was
Speaker 1: crazy and I will never forgive you Bill. Well worked
Speaker 1: out all right for him. Chip Chip is going to
Speaker 1: have to be a genius though. So even if he
Speaker 1: does learn how to deal with his players better and
Speaker 1: be a lead or as a coach better, his wide
Speaker 1: receivers are still Tory Smith, Quentin Patton, Bruce Ellington and
Speaker 1: some undrafted guys we we don't really know. And his
Speaker 1: quarterback is either Blaine Gathered or Colin Kaepernick. I mean
Speaker 1: that is that the weakest quarterback wide receiver group in
Speaker 1: the league. One question for the scientists and Dan you
Speaker 1: can chime in here too. Is Selik concerned about, you know,
Speaker 1: getting pushed by fifth string tight end Geron Ham. Maybe
Speaker 1: you gotta get some good press out there, and you
Speaker 1: gotta say some nice things about your coach ham Bone.
Speaker 1: I've got nothing to say about the forty nine tight
Speaker 1: Ends or anything else about their offense. So let's move on.
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news, Um, and now what
Speaker 1: you've all been late waiting for again, turn off the
Speaker 1: podcast if you're not interested in the NFC North. Such
Speaker 1: a bad boy, Dan when you break up words because yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean talk about jumping up on the masculinity ranking. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is getting hard to track. Uh No, But honestly,
Speaker 1: now it's time to talk about the NFC North and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Um. A lot of people sometimes I think
Speaker 1: it's easy for this group to forget about it because
Speaker 1: we work with Greg on a day to day basis.
Speaker 1: But uh, Greg, the Rhodal World founder brick by brick,
Speaker 1: both in terms of HTML L and also to physically
Speaker 1: built the building where the young Rhodo World scribe physically
Speaker 1: building the building with craft they're blurbs. Um. Guy knows
Speaker 1: what it knows the stuff. Greg. That's why he got
Speaker 1: the name of the Boss. That's why he is the boss.
Speaker 1: And he went through each of the teams in the
Speaker 1: NFC North and broke down the rosters. And we'll start
Speaker 1: with the drama here because after it was posted on
Speaker 1: the around the NFL Twitter account, which you could follow
Speaker 1: us at around the NFL. I hope you're following us
Speaker 1: by now, um, Greg, it was posted, it was linked out,
Speaker 1: and what happened was the Chicago Bears, Greg very complimentary
Speaker 1: towards the Bears roster immediately respond to Greg and the
Speaker 1: world with a jeff or gift depending on what you
Speaker 1: want to call it, of Tom Cruise from Top Gun
Speaker 1: putting on his sunglasses and smiling. So they were pleased
Speaker 1: with what Greg wrote about the Bears. The Lions, however,
Speaker 1: not so much the Lions. Um. They follow up with
Speaker 1: a gift of Ron Burgundy. Do we still have that?
Speaker 1: Um Brendan, Yes, sir, that's what it means. Really well,
Speaker 1: agreed to disagree. They they said that, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: Greg's got a problem. And then Eric Ebron of the
Speaker 1: Lions uh follows in and quote retweets Greg's tweet that
Speaker 1: said the Lion's roster looks worse the more you look
Speaker 1: at it, and then Ebron writes, Twitter is to voice
Speaker 1: your opinions. We will make you eat those ones you choose. Greg.
Speaker 1: Let's start there. Then before we get into the Bears,
Speaker 1: let's get into the Lions. First of all, your heat
Speaker 1: with Eric Ebron, former first round pick tight end address
Speaker 1: it no heat, No, he I did enjoy. Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy the immediate tweet back to him that said,
Speaker 1: you're better at tweeting than you are catching passes. But
Speaker 1: that was not I did not either. Uh but no,
Speaker 1: I thought, Ebron, if he's gonna you know, I like you,
Speaker 1: he's sticking up for his roster. He did in a
Speaker 1: in a relatively professional, respectful way. Wasn't coming at me.
Speaker 1: The tweet that really annoyed that the Lions and got
Speaker 1: them going said the Lions roster is worse the more
Speaker 1: you look at it, because you think about the Lions
Speaker 1: and you think, wow, okay, they got some big name
Speaker 1: players on offense with Stafford and Golden Tate, Marvin Jones
Speaker 1: not bad, and Ebron's all right. They have some big
Speaker 1: time players on defunse ANSA Levy if he's healthy, Darius Slay.
Speaker 1: But when you when you start looking past that a
Speaker 1: little bit, that some of their positions are terrible. And
Speaker 1: I think if you go through their position groups, tell
Speaker 1: me the position group on the Lions that's better than
Speaker 1: average because their receivers fall off an absolute cliff after
Speaker 1: their two solid starters Abdullah and Riddick is not above
Speaker 1: average running back group. And then when you get to defense,
Speaker 1: Devin Taylor, who has never been a starter, is a starter.
Speaker 1: They have no depth behind him whatsoever. Nevin Lawson is
Speaker 1: their number two cornerback and nothing behind him. Uh safety.
Speaker 1: They're hoping either Raphael Bush or a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: is going to start there. They just have big time
Speaker 1: holes like craters where they may be among the league
Speaker 1: worst as sounds like a butler, right, and that's their
Speaker 1: number two cornerbacks. With all due respect, you mentioned the
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps week after one two um. Jeremy Curley
Speaker 1: is literally the one player John iszc Ever gave a
Speaker 1: contract to with the Jets, so that has to stand
Speaker 1: for something, right then, as soon as they gave him that,
Speaker 1: con couldn't wait to replace him. I used to like
Speaker 1: glike currently, so maybe he could make a comeback, but
Speaker 1: he did not look like himself. The last year point
Speaker 1: is well taken. There is no above average position group
Speaker 1: on this roster. And I know Lions fans are hanging
Speaker 1: on Matthew Stafford's improvement down the stretch under Cooner time,
Speaker 1: but this, I mean, Matthew Stafford is the most unpredictable
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. On top of it, who knows
Speaker 1: which version you're gonna get next year? Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: I think it's a stretch to say that it's easy
Speaker 1: to believe in Jim Caldwell's ability to take what they
Speaker 1: have and make so much more out of it that
Speaker 1: didn't happen last year. And I mean it's just systematic
Speaker 1: on Twitter that you go do research. I think what
Speaker 1: you tweeted, anyone that's been doing the homework says, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's right, the Bears have improved, The Lions are, you know,
Speaker 1: potentially dirt net material. And then you got these team
Speaker 1: Twitter sites which could not be more tedious with their
Speaker 1: gift thing. I mean, dating back to last season, it
Speaker 1: is one of the most ponderous trends that we must
Speaker 1: deal with with our eyeball staring at Twitter. Is every
Speaker 1: single team site attacking each other or anyone that doesn't
Speaker 1: fall in line with their mantra and going after them
Speaker 1: with these clips enough, no one, no one else. I
Speaker 1: think it's funny how much Mark cares about the team
Speaker 1: sites and the gifts. Well, I did are annoying. I
Speaker 1: thought I sensed from you to west as uh Dan
Speaker 1: is giving the Jeff recap. I mean, you're not a
Speaker 1: big fan of the Jefts in general, from the teams
Speaker 1: this trend. I think you're You're on, You're on Marks,
Speaker 1: I'm on Mars Marcus. Like, if you're not, I don't
Speaker 1: know who you are. Mark has a vis visceral reaction
Speaker 1: to it. I just think it's kind of laughing. It
Speaker 1: is highly smarmy, and it is very infrequently edgy. You're funny.
Speaker 1: There was actually another The Lions actually double Jeff bare move.
Speaker 1: They also did a did one where an old Batman
Speaker 1: is scratching his chip. That's the one I saw. It's
Speaker 1: a you know what it is to Ultimately, it's a shortcut,
Speaker 1: it's and it's gotten. We're now. Twitter actually offers thousands
Speaker 1: of Jeffs for people to choose from. Instead of having
Speaker 1: to come up with something cut ing or witty or
Speaker 1: just expressing yourself through word, you just throw up a
Speaker 1: shot of a nineteen sixties Batman cartoon stroking his chin,
Speaker 1: and you just earn your paycheck. Let's go, let's go
Speaker 1: to the huddle and get a get a muffin. Good job.
Speaker 1: Plainly annoying because the purpose isn't to communicate. The purpose
Speaker 1: is to play a game in which you're keeping track
Speaker 1: of how many retweets you can get. Sometimes they're funny,
Speaker 1: though they did get a lot. Though sometimes they did
Speaker 1: get a lot. And to your point, Dan, okay, now
Speaker 1: you're right, the Jeff. Sometimes it's a it's a short.
Speaker 1: You just pointed to Estelle Getty putting on sunglasses. That's
Speaker 1: funny at all times. I love Golden Girls. That that
Speaker 1: one was funny. But you're pointing out the Jeff. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of easy. They got, you know, five
Speaker 1: retweets off of this blah blah blah. Why couldn't they
Speaker 1: come up with something clever, because I'll accept it if
Speaker 1: it's clever. And you know what, Carol Shelby, a Lions fan,
Speaker 1: quickly came up with something clever. I say, the Lions
Speaker 1: roster looks worse the more you look at it. He responds,
Speaker 1: kind of like your sideburns. I like that. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's a man named Carol. Huh, that's his problem. Um.
Speaker 1: But anyway, let me just say, let's get back to
Speaker 1: the roster a second, and you're I will now make
Speaker 1: the case for the line's offense. Matthew Stafford years old
Speaker 1: now has become an iron man, sneaky iron man out
Speaker 1: of nowhere the last five years. Uh, you know, had
Speaker 1: a five thousand yards season. Okay, Megatron is there, but
Speaker 1: we all know his talent that exists. Amer Abdula best quarter.
Speaker 1: Maybe he could flex up the top ten eleven Amer Abdullah,
Speaker 1: we know the talent that he has. If he puts
Speaker 1: it together, he could be a game changing type playmaker.
Speaker 1: Golden Tate, we know that he's a stud. Marvin Jones
Speaker 1: I like that signing more than other people. I think
Speaker 1: he could be a really good number two. T J.
Speaker 1: Jones don't know a ton about Eric Ebron. Two years
Speaker 1: ago was supposed to be the best young tight end
Speaker 1: in the draft. Class is not come together together for
Speaker 1: young Eric Gett. But maybe with Megatron out of the picture,
Speaker 1: they find a role for him and he starts catching
Speaker 1: the ball. There's some players here that's last year. He
Speaker 1: makes mistakes, but he makes them Playsy bron The only
Speaker 1: thing about that entire screed in which I actually believed
Speaker 1: was it a Mira Dola can become a good running day.
Speaker 1: You don't believe Golden No, I don't believe he's a stud. No,
Speaker 1: he's really a borderline number two. Number one, he's a
Speaker 1: really good number two. Look those starters. I don't have
Speaker 1: a huge problem with their skill position players in general.
Speaker 1: Although the cliff at wide receiver is massive, it's more
Speaker 1: the the lines. Uh that this used to be a
Speaker 1: strength for their team. Now now you're drafting a first
Speaker 1: round pick. We'll see if the offensive line is good.
Speaker 1: But at defensive end it's ansa and nothing. At defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of guys who are probably league average
Speaker 1: or solid at linebacker, and in safety and cornerback. It's
Speaker 1: just a very thin team. You can see a lot
Speaker 1: of teams score only thing else. I totally agree on paper,
Speaker 1: But it was last year at this time that we
Speaker 1: were looking at like Carolina's offense insane, or once the
Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin injury happened, they're done. This thing is going
Speaker 1: to be cooked. And then you look at what Cam
Speaker 1: Newton produced last season. Not a single person saw that
Speaker 1: coming a lot can change. Some of these players you
Speaker 1: don't know about can developed my whole thing with the lines.
Speaker 1: Of course, they could win seven or eight games, but
Speaker 1: my point is that they're gonna have to overachieve a
Speaker 1: little bit to win seven or eight games, and that
Speaker 1: that the ceiling for them is pretty low. And and
Speaker 1: to me, they look more like a six win, five
Speaker 1: or six win type of team. And to Gregg's point,
Speaker 1: the Panthers build through their lines. Yeah, I mean their
Speaker 1: strength is their front seven and in a pretty good
Speaker 1: offensive line. And the Lions that's their biggest weakness. They
Speaker 1: they've tried. I mean they have Warford, Thominson, Decker, those
Speaker 1: are those are three guys they took pretty high. So
Speaker 1: there's potential for the offensive line to be to be
Speaker 1: good if those guys, I'll play to their to their best.
Speaker 1: And now let's turn our focus to the other team
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about today, and um uh it is
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Because to you, Greg, as you were
Speaker 1: putting together, uh this this piece on NFL dot Com, Uh,
Speaker 1: you saw the Bears is almost like the what would
Speaker 1: you call the double negative or the team that's the
Speaker 1: opposite the inverse of what the Lions are right now,
Speaker 1: the team that the more you look at the Lions,
Speaker 1: the worst they look the Bears. It's the opposite. Well
Speaker 1: West has been honking about this this for a while,
Speaker 1: and the more I thought about, the more he's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm putting together their starting lineups. I did
Speaker 1: not include Leonard Floyd their number one pick yet because
Speaker 1: that that position is deep, Lamar Houston and Pernell McPhee.
Speaker 1: I didn't include their third round pick. Who who they
Speaker 1: like a lot who's gonna get involved. They're the opposite
Speaker 1: of the Lions in that I think they have a
Speaker 1: lot of depth at a lot of positions where they
Speaker 1: can survive an injury, where they can rotate their defensive line.
Speaker 1: Now they have Traviathon and Drell Freeman. They have a
Speaker 1: bad secondary. I'm not I was gonna ask that's the weakness.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not a perfect They're not a perfect team.
Speaker 1: It's it's a bad secondary. You gotta love that one
Speaker 1: to three wide receiver combination, sleep on Harold Jones Quarly
Speaker 1: at safety team. Yeah, that was that was the one.
Speaker 1: That's why I like doing these exercises, just to find
Speaker 1: out about these teams, and that was someone I barely
Speaker 1: knew existed and is apparently the slight favorite to start at.
Speaker 1: Quite an athlete, I think in another life, I was
Speaker 1: playing stickball and queens in the nineteen thirties and Eddie
Speaker 1: Goldman was my teammate. He's a good player. Though. That's
Speaker 1: a good exam. That's a good example of what the
Speaker 1: Bears are doing well, that he's a young, ascending player
Speaker 1: you could see getting better. You mentioned their secondary is
Speaker 1: the fatal law. I look at their offensive line and
Speaker 1: it would not surprise me if it ends up being
Speaker 1: the worst in the entire league. Whoa really Yes, Kyle
Speaker 1: Long is a Pro Bowl player. The other four tell
Speaker 1: me what's tell me what's not awful about them? Well,
Speaker 1: Cody white Hair, we don't know. He's a So you
Speaker 1: got a rookie offensive lineman. How often does that turn
Speaker 1: out to be a good thing. They signed a couple
Speaker 1: veterans that have played a lot, uh Manny Ramirez Lawson
Speaker 1: to get a little bit and other teams didn't want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bobby Massey, Charles who has to face competition for his
Speaker 1: center job this year. This offensive line, Charles Leno as
Speaker 1: your left tackle. That's the worst left tackle in the NFL. Yeah, Conan,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to keep the job. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a brutal offensive line. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a perfect team. I was more excited about the defense
Speaker 1: and the fact that they overachieved last year. But you're right.
Speaker 1: Basically West is taking your entire like sky high level
Speaker 1: of enthusiasm and setting it up. West, I think and
Speaker 1: I are on the total same page. I don't see
Speaker 1: them much different than the Lions. I guess there a
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps in front seven. There's nothing else about
Speaker 1: the Bears. I like, especially their quarterback, who's a competitive disabece.
Speaker 1: That's where I like. Their defensive coordinator. That's where we disagree. Well,
Speaker 1: not the defensive cord. I'm with you on fans. You
Speaker 1: stand throughout history on the side of Jake Cutler and
Speaker 1: see who's right in the end. Do we feel like
Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay, that's all I'm saying. Okay, you
Speaker 1: lose Adam Gaze. I think that that he helped a
Speaker 1: lot of those players overachieved last year. And I'm not
Speaker 1: a huge Dowell login sky so let's see how that works.
Speaker 1: Coordinator corner with marxs No, I just you know what,
Speaker 1: Logan logins, I, you know what, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: take up ten minutes of the show, but he's got
Speaker 1: a few issues on his resume. If you want to
Speaker 1: look at his time in clear I would love to
Speaker 1: hear Mark Sessler ten minutes on Dowell logins like that
Speaker 1: might be the best ten minutes of the show. Since
Speaker 1: you coming up with thirty two words to describe the
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense. One thing about Logins. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: keep Cutler happy, and it seemed like he was last year,
Speaker 1: they are buds. They're very tight, and when Loggins was
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, there was all that rumbling about them wanting
Speaker 1: to trade for Cutler and run their what they have now,
Speaker 1: which is a smash mouth, beat you up offense, the
Speaker 1: myth of all myths until we see it. But Cutler
Speaker 1: and Logins that tight color played well last year like
Speaker 1: Cutler was a better cular back, very mediocre, and everyone
Speaker 1: acted like it was well because you it's Jake Cutler,
Speaker 1: and the expectations are so freaking low that if he
Speaker 1: has a decent season where the passer rating is almost
Speaker 1: to Brian Horrier level, it's it's a good season for
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler. Give me a break. Andrew Vere just like
Speaker 1: eight nine the league average, I believe. So can you
Speaker 1: make the argument that he's an average or maybe it
Speaker 1: takes above average quarters, an average quarterback, but not a team.
Speaker 1: He's a coach destroyer. Look at his history. What is
Speaker 1: the quarterback? I mean, now it's if it's ninety or
Speaker 1: whatever for the average. When we were growing up West
Speaker 1: and I the entity administration, I mean, it was much
Speaker 1: much lower. I I don't see these two teams as different.
Speaker 1: I'm just I know you're gonna come at us with
Speaker 1: an age shot, so I cut you off at the pass,
Speaker 1: but not nearly that that old gotta get some food
Speaker 1: in Mark's belly. Yeah it is. I mean it does
Speaker 1: come up a lot though, just the generation divide between
Speaker 1: the cousins, which is absurd because you guys like five
Speaker 1: years younger than us. Dan has more gray hair than
Speaker 1: all of us put together. It pops up, it pops up.
Speaker 1: I mean, you played strata matic. That was, you know,
Speaker 1: a little before a time that was kind of the
Speaker 1: cut off the old strata matic intellectual in for young people.
Speaker 1: My whole thing, by the way you imagine that baby
Speaker 1: booms like West and Mark uh Mark does have a
Speaker 1: strata matic long form coming up. Let's see if it happen.
Speaker 1: I was trying to set them up for a little
Speaker 1: talk about a metrics gold mine. How will the team
Speaker 1: sites respond to that? They'll go look up to figure
Speaker 1: out what it is first? Was this like a subversive
Speaker 1: exercise to stick it to the team sites? No, but
Speaker 1: I would like to come up. I'll come up with
Speaker 1: a few of those that would be a lot of
Speaker 1: work for a little response. Wow. Um, well, we look
Speaker 1: forward to it and we'll definitely talk about it on
Speaker 1: the podcast when it lands. Mark's strata matic banger. Um.
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts about um, we don't really have time
Speaker 1: to get into the other teams in the NFC North,
Speaker 1: but I will be plenty of are very unhappy. We'll
Speaker 1: talk to that. Hang in there, guys, let's talk to
Speaker 1: us about the next time. I do have a final thought.
Speaker 1: My thought is is not that these two teams are
Speaker 1: so different. It's that the Bears feel like a team
Speaker 1: that is ascending, and if I was a fan of
Speaker 1: I think there are some things to get excited about.
Speaker 1: The Lions feel like in between team that has a
Speaker 1: new GM and a head coach. I think they're set
Speaker 1: up to underperform a little bit. These are both five
Speaker 1: to eight win teams. I just think the lines are
Speaker 1: gonna be lower, and then you're gonna have a new
Speaker 1: coach again next year, and then they're changing it all again.
Speaker 1: Like I just don't see this Quinn called weill cooner
Speaker 1: thing lasting for we did we I mean, we're talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier in the week or is it last week?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. The window that was never really opened
Speaker 1: in the first place closed and now you lost a general.
Speaker 1: It was the window for the year that it was open.
Speaker 1: That's how you end up on the pain rankings. You're
Speaker 1: one of those teams that you never get your window
Speaker 1: properly propped open, and now it's closed, and and somehow
Speaker 1: they talked themselves into keeping Jim called well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it just seems like this is an organization
Speaker 1: and transition, whether they know it or not, one huge
Speaker 1: bonus about what we've just done here. And this is
Speaker 1: a good management by Greg and it's a plus management
Speaker 1: because you know, Kevin Patrick couldnot be there's multiple you know,
Speaker 1: I am tweets about how upset he is that the
Speaker 1: Lions get overlooked. Blob blah blah. And he's right. But
Speaker 1: we've settled him down. He's back in a good mood.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even know why yet. Found love and we
Speaker 1: just buried his team without asking him to talk about it. Well,
Speaker 1: we mentioned them, we didn't say it was gonna be
Speaker 1: It's gonna be honest here with you. Yeah. Yeah, Remember
Speaker 1: one critic, I talked to him separately, you know, before
Speaker 1: I wrote wrote any of this kind of smart smart move.
Speaker 1: We gotta get. Yeah, I give you a pregrade show
Speaker 1: of a minus for your management, and you exceeded it. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the highest compliment you've ever given to
Speaker 1: me for my management. We gotta get. We gotta get
Speaker 1: Patrick on the show because Patrick, who is a salt
Speaker 1: of the earth as they come, and a good guy
Speaker 1: and a good salty of the earth Saltia, there has
Speaker 1: been a good football writer. Um, he's found love, as
Speaker 1: everyone that follows him on Facebook and a test based
Speaker 1: on his profile pick him and his little ladybug in
Speaker 1: an embrace on a beach somewhere and if you read
Speaker 1: what right now, and she seems delightful. And what she
Speaker 1: has to write is she's plugged in, completely tuned into
Speaker 1: Patra's crankiness and she's on board. I mean she's made
Speaker 1: multiple mentions of it. Am I wrong? Like I thought
Speaker 1: that's just how everyone connection. I've never met her. What
Speaker 1: is on Facebook? When she's when she's described in outing
Speaker 1: with Patra or a photo and Patra and the photo
Speaker 1: she's very happy and he's got this like he's just
Speaker 1: got a Patra look, and she very she's she seems
Speaker 1: to be on for the entire Patra experience. I just
Speaker 1: love this krusty snugglebug. I gave myself a Facebook suspension
Speaker 1: until Donald Trump is out of our lives. Let might
Speaker 1: take eight years, all right, what a depressing note to end?
Speaker 1: Then Yeah, we will be back, uh tomorrow, three shows
Speaker 1: this week where we will talk about something. Uh it's
Speaker 1: not clearly actually no, we did have an idea what
Speaker 1: we wanted. We're gonna talk about the Dalton Scale tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We are we are, so get your thinking caps on,
Speaker 1: uh the annual Dalton Scale this ushi and we'll take
Speaker 1: place tomorrow where we kind of figure out where some
Speaker 1: of the ten to twenty area quarterbacks we need to
Speaker 1: officially rename the Dalton scale because we have I think
Speaker 1: Dalton scale in perpetuity. Wow, well the West disagree, so
Speaker 1: that we'll have to discus I mean they don't, they
Speaker 1: don't call them indoz aligned something else. Now. Well, Alex
Speaker 1: Smith scale was getting some heat, the Tanna scale, Hannah
Speaker 1: Scale's great, great ring to it anyway. Okay, so we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about that on Thursday show, So thank you
Speaker 1: for listening until then. This is Dan hands As signing
Speaker 1: off four Quiet Storm, get some food in that belly, Snugglebug,
Speaker 1: the Mailman, the Boss and Irish behind the Glass Thursday. Yeah,
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