Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast would win a pickup game
Speaker 1: against Daniel Jeremiah. Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansus and
Speaker 1: I am joined by Room Failed with heroes Mark Sesler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosal. Well, what's up boys, Hey Dan,
Speaker 1: I feel better about that beat when Daniels Achilles was torn,
Speaker 1: not so much like a dated, deeply internal bit right
Speaker 1: there that DJ used to play pick up basketball until
Speaker 1: he towards Achilles last year. Yeah, I would take our
Speaker 1: I mean the four of us versus just one of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would definitely take him out. Was a four college
Speaker 1: starter at quarterback for what Appalachian State? But yeah, college football.
Speaker 1: I I do remember someone at our meet up in
Speaker 1: San Francisco mentioned to me that we were shorter as
Speaker 1: a group. That may they anticipated that wouldn't help us
Speaker 1: on the basketball court. But we are a pretty short up.
Speaker 1: You throw Connor in the mix. Dan is average height
Speaker 1: and he's the tallet almost six feet tall. So let's
Speaker 1: come down with the average height. The average American mayo
Speaker 1: right now under forties, like five eleven or six ft
Speaker 1: right now. Americans are big people. Greg You're talking a
Speaker 1: lot in the front of the show because I think
Speaker 1: you want to avoid what you know, we have to
Speaker 1: talk about it. We have to talk about what happened
Speaker 1: last week. H And you know what, it's not I
Speaker 1: don't want you. This is not coming from a place
Speaker 1: of anger. It's just more why would I avoid it?
Speaker 1: You haven't brought it up to me once, and the
Speaker 1: many times I've seen you actually in between you I
Speaker 1: went to a house party almost makes me think this
Speaker 1: is all the charade. Let's talk about it. Um, last week,
Speaker 1: Greg was on hiatus and uh when we did a
Speaker 1: show on Wednesday, and you know, uh, he wasn't there
Speaker 1: is and then it turns out he shows up on
Speaker 1: on the other show. So you did the uh Rosenthal
Speaker 1: Jesle Nick Vanity project. You did, but you did not
Speaker 1: do the around the NFL podcast us I didn't and
Speaker 1: did not do the around the NFL podcast. WHOA wait,
Speaker 1: eight NFL. Wouldn't that make more sense? Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast I liked. So let's talk about it, Greig. Why
Speaker 1: did you do uh the obviously the metrics challenge show
Speaker 1: you do with the comedian over over our show? Basically
Speaker 1: in Mark, let me I mean I felt like maybe
Speaker 1: I was making it too big a deal of it
Speaker 1: all these months, but it all kind of laid bare.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think I looked up. I look
Speaker 1: up to Greg as a mentor and a supervisor. So
Speaker 1: it caught me off guard. Well, as Dan knows, because
Speaker 1: I asked him what time we were at. I I
Speaker 1: was trying to swing and do it both. I this
Speaker 1: is a this is a fact. I not only requested
Speaker 1: that I get a babysitter to cover my kids while
Speaker 1: I tried to do both podcasts. Unfortunately she couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I got in a serious fight with my wife about
Speaker 1: it because I was pushing to do both podcasts. Uh. Literally,
Speaker 1: yelling was involved. Probably yeah, we're a pretty calm, calm household,
Speaker 1: but it was a pretty big it was a pretty
Speaker 1: big problem. In the end, I decided to back off
Speaker 1: doing both. I did just do the Rosenthal and just
Speaker 1: like Vandy project for that day. Uh. And I don't
Speaker 1: feel bad about it at all. It was not why
Speaker 1: would I It's you know, it was a season. It
Speaker 1: was the last time we were ever going to do it.
Speaker 1: It was the only time we could do it. And
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone but Dan would have ever cared
Speaker 1: much even if I hadn't tried to. Uh, I thought
Speaker 1: that I wasn't alone on this. No, I I like
Speaker 1: I said my feelings. I had to you know, way
Speaker 1: this for seventy two hundred plus hours and just kind
Speaker 1: of ponder, we've got millions of podcasts well while people
Speaker 1: are on vacation. Like the fact that you would question
Speaker 1: my integrity, I I would guess, and I'm not I
Speaker 1: would guess. I think it's pretty safe. I missed the
Speaker 1: least amount of podcasts every I would never think to
Speaker 1: bring up like, oh, I can't believe you guys are
Speaker 1: gone for a podcast during the season or during the
Speaker 1: preseason or whatever. Whatever. Now you are equaiting someone being
Speaker 1: off for the day or being h But I was.
Speaker 1: I was on va choosing one podcast over the other.
Speaker 1: I would do it in a heartbeat. Was the last
Speaker 1: time I could ever do it. Greg, you had a
Speaker 1: choice and you chose to do the show. I didn't
Speaker 1: because I couldn't get the babysitter that that that time
Speaker 1: period was out regardless and your your fight and the
Speaker 1: text to me and all that stuff. You know, it
Speaker 1: smells like an albi I don't need to make I
Speaker 1: don't need to make things up. But this entire this
Speaker 1: entire um episode. If nothing else. Doing the Rosenthal and
Speaker 1: Jesse mc vanity project was was good because I think
Speaker 1: it was really telling for me and learning something about
Speaker 1: this room magnific and it was. It was a reveal
Speaker 1: magnifico for Dan. I realized Dan does not really see
Speaker 1: me like as a friend, like you guys see me
Speaker 1: as a Wait, he had just glided you over to
Speaker 1: his house. Let's let's hear him out. He doesn't see
Speaker 1: me as a friend, which is fine. He doesn't see
Speaker 1: me like he sees me as someone that's on the
Speaker 1: podcast with him and his boss. Ultimately, but friends are supportive,
Speaker 1: Like if anything comes up in Dan's career that could
Speaker 1: possibly help him, I'm immediately supportive. I'm not really that
Speaker 1: concerned about my interests. Like I'm happy for them, just
Speaker 1: like West and Mark are have been happy for me
Speaker 1: the old him. I don't think they really cared. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been. I don't think they care. I don't think
Speaker 1: they care one way or the other. Though, I mean,
Speaker 1: Marx listened to it, so that's good. But I don't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get there. I wouldn't care about that either,
Speaker 1: So but you wouldn't care that I took time to listen. No,
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean, I wouldn't care that you
Speaker 1: don't listen to it. Never expect to understood. But it's
Speaker 1: gotten personal obviously, and I'm I'm just happy about it.
Speaker 1: Um My. My number one priority in the podcast Realm
Speaker 1: of NFL dot com is the around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: But as as terrible, uh, and I am supportive of
Speaker 1: you now, I mean, you don't have to protest. And
Speaker 1: there's another you know, someone someone said like I would
Speaker 1: have just like be like I like being ourselves on
Speaker 1: this podcast. You haven't even mentioned this to me once
Speaker 1: because I thought it was important to share as a
Speaker 1: group and with the audience, because you know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of betrayal and I thought it was something
Speaker 1: that needed to be brought out at this moment specifically.
Speaker 1: Here's the news flash. People listen to more than one podcast.
Speaker 1: There's more that you know. They're people that came to
Speaker 1: our show. They all listened to a million different podcasts.
Speaker 1: They all loved the Rosenthal and justin like Vanity Project.
Speaker 1: Every single one of them mentioned that and they love
Speaker 1: around the NFL. There's hope. I listened to tons of
Speaker 1: I hope that podcast that you're on is thankful that
Speaker 1: we gave you your listenership. It was a good It
Speaker 1: helped for pop for sure. Does does Anthony know that
Speaker 1: this show exists? Oh it's kind of a bit that
Speaker 1: he doesn't know, but he certainly knows it. Listen. This
Speaker 1: is a this is an oral history for another time.
Speaker 1: The entire r g the VP experience that we can
Speaker 1: unpack for hours. But we have a whole show to
Speaker 1: get to. And I don't want I didn't like how
Speaker 1: you turned it into a thing, a referendum on our friendship. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I always a primary takeaway here, which is
Speaker 1: I heard all I got. I got the fight because
Speaker 1: I wanted to show up on my vacation for you,
Speaker 1: for you to go to the thing. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: to avoid this. It was just because I wanted to
Speaker 1: do the podcast because I love doing this podcast. Like
Speaker 1: if you the other one, if you were ever on,
Speaker 1: if you were ever on vacation and we you know,
Speaker 1: even made any little thing that was saying, oh we
Speaker 1: don't like that you're on vacation, you would be wildly
Speaker 1: angry that we have to know all this relevant and
Speaker 1: it's great. Markis Gregg. It's a mentor that that was
Speaker 1: my favorite. Well, I do you know when it comes
Speaker 1: to the topic of covering foot all and he's my supervisor,
Speaker 1: and I say, it's like the guiding hand in your life. Yes,
Speaker 1: very much, so you can you can be my friend, Dan.
Speaker 1: I consider you. I just I found out that you
Speaker 1: don't see it the other way. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: support podcasts that are outside the realm of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. It's nothing persons part of that at
Speaker 1: least equally you dislike every other podcast, I just don't.
Speaker 1: This is the one where my focus is at and
Speaker 1: and like they say in The Godfather, it's business. It's
Speaker 1: not personal. Drink so the that's it. That's how I
Speaker 1: feel about it. That's how I feel. Cleared that up
Speaker 1: or not we spent I'm glad I spent so much time.
Speaker 1: Nothing cleared up whatsoever. This is the Around the NFL Podcast, UH,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about football, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: At some point in the show. A lot to get
Speaker 1: to today today is UH Tuesday, the franchise tag UH
Speaker 1: is now available to be the Loyd by any team.
Speaker 1: I don't think anything has happened yet as of taping
Speaker 1: of the show, but it will go down as teams
Speaker 1: can um take steps to make sure some some of
Speaker 1: their better players cannot get away. So Wes wrote a
Speaker 1: phenomenal piece and I enjoyed it on the on the
Speaker 1: franchise tag um that you could check out at NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. But we will talk about that uh today. Also, UM,
Speaker 1: it's always fun to talk about quarterbacks. Quarterbacks are in
Speaker 1: some ways gentlemen, the lifeblood or professional football. Uh So
Speaker 1: why not talk about some quarterbacks that are on the
Speaker 1: bubble if you will? Are they gonna stay with their team?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna go somewhere else? So we'll kind of
Speaker 1: go around the room, will throughout some names. Mark, you
Speaker 1: wrote a piece on that you can see at NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. But we will get into uh that conversation
Speaker 1: and pull out some different guys and of course, as
Speaker 1: we always do, they're gonna do a little news Greg this.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was just like a sad way to
Speaker 1: start the pot, the way it was bringing the friendship
Speaker 1: thing into it that went. So you're doing because how
Speaker 1: about this say one nice thing about Greg. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's even worse. Why this It was exactly what Dan
Speaker 1: wanted the whole point. Dan doesn't really care about any
Speaker 1: of this. It's just like make you know, you wanted
Speaker 1: some drama. You set it up all last week. That's
Speaker 1: what you were looking to set up to start. My
Speaker 1: only sin is that I care about the podcast too much.
Speaker 1: And if that leads to that leads to you thinking
Speaker 1: that it was some type of a front that I
Speaker 1: wasn't supportive of the other podcasts, that, well, it's not
Speaker 1: no front. It's a fact. I just you know, I
Speaker 1: was respectful of the entire run of the r j VP.
Speaker 1: I would have said any of this about that. Did
Speaker 1: I ever? Magnifico was months ago? It was not. It
Speaker 1: was that I ever privately expressed any concerns. Did I?
Speaker 1: You know, I never did anything. I never stood in
Speaker 1: the way of your show. You know. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: well that presumes that you could, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: could have done some stuff. Then you'll never know because
Speaker 1: I didn't because I was respectful of my mentor Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Let's do some news, Sydney. Oh it sounded like Greg's voice. Well,
Speaker 1: what can we was from our good friend that go
Speaker 1: get my Lunch dot org. Yeah he again, Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know who I was talking about there. What was
Speaker 1: the line like, this guy's been cheating? Yeah before you
Speaker 1: say something like just wait till he starts using regulation footballs.
Speaker 1: So who knows what. One more thing before we get
Speaker 1: to the news. We did have a little gathering at
Speaker 1: hands this manner that invited Greg too and his daughter came.
Speaker 1: We had a nice time. Yeah, that's what I mean
Speaker 1: if it bring it up friends anymore. Um, But one
Speaker 1: of the star attractions of the day were my new
Speaker 1: cornhole boards that came courtesy of the people at Victory Tailgate.
Speaker 1: H really nice and West I think you tweeted out
Speaker 1: a photo of it. So if you check out West's handle,
Speaker 1: that had the around the NFL podcast logo on and
Speaker 1: even the cornhole bags had a podcast logo on it.
Speaker 1: The bags you can see on my Instagram. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they were stunning, because I mean, we've what probably know,
Speaker 1: Wes has some great boards, but I mean we when
Speaker 1: I was in Ohio I saw some ones that were
Speaker 1: kind of mid level. These were just very, very nice.
Speaker 1: So at Victory Tailgate also the website www dot Victory
Speaker 1: tailgate dot com. Check that out. Then, thank you for
Speaker 1: the boards. Now the news. Here we go. We'll start
Speaker 1: with a little Broncos quarterback talk, because really, guys, quarterback
Speaker 1: is the lifeblood position of the NFL when in my opinion,
Speaker 1: but brock Osweiler is a quarterback drafted in the second
Speaker 1: round four years ago by Denver, presumably as Peyton Manning's successor.
Speaker 1: And now here we are in present time. Manning just
Speaker 1: coming off a Super Bowl win. But a lot of
Speaker 1: people thinking that he's going to retire or that should retire. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was a report that came out of U nine
Speaker 1: News in Denver, Mike Clice Uh that he used to
Speaker 1: Wroy for the Dever post. Is that a recent defection
Speaker 1: hung out with him one night. That would be an indie.
Speaker 1: This is a great topic for the media Defection podcast
Speaker 1: Up Yeah in the off season. But Mike Lice reported
Speaker 1: that the Broncos are holding off on any discussions with
Speaker 1: brock Osweiler quote out of respect to Peyton Manning, who
Speaker 1: has not decided or at least announced whether he intends
Speaker 1: to keep playing or retire after eighteen seasons. Here's the
Speaker 1: first question, greg as we attempt to repair our fractured relationship.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna leave football and work our way back.
Speaker 1: But really, is this a mistake for the Broncos too?
Speaker 1: At this point, still just kind of a week outside
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But to be playing this so respectfully
Speaker 1: towards Peyton Manning when they're you know, technically wasting days
Speaker 1: where they could be getting something done with Brock, I
Speaker 1: don't think it matters right now. The timeline of it
Speaker 1: is all very strange, though they how long can they wait?
Speaker 1: Out of respect, I would say, once you're getting to
Speaker 1: the combine, that's normally the time that agents and the
Speaker 1: teams start diving in. This is not an easy contract.
Speaker 1: You're not going to give him the franchise tag, so
Speaker 1: I I almost don't believe it. And if they're not
Speaker 1: talking now, they're going to be soon. They can only
Speaker 1: wait so long. They're gonna have to get some sort
Speaker 1: of heads up from Manning in the next week and
Speaker 1: a half, I would say would be the time. The
Speaker 1: thing I find weird is, let's say Manning comes around
Speaker 1: and says I'm coming back. I want to play. I
Speaker 1: don't see Denver signing up to keep him on any level.
Speaker 1: They don't want to go. This is interesting because it's
Speaker 1: a classy move to give him time. But Archie Manning
Speaker 1: has come out and said Peyton knows he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be back with the Broncos, that the Broncos don't want
Speaker 1: him back. So it's classy, but in the same way
Speaker 1: they the Broncos I U uh, presumably made it clear
Speaker 1: that they don't want him back. I don't think they've
Speaker 1: made it clear necessarily. It's just logic that they don't
Speaker 1: want to act, and I think they're just hoping he
Speaker 1: retires so that they won't have to cut him or
Speaker 1: start negotiating with Brock having not cut him before, and
Speaker 1: then he's just sitting on their cap for seventeen million.
Speaker 1: I mean, they have until, you know, the just before
Speaker 1: free agency starts. But you can't wait that long obviously
Speaker 1: to get the deal done with Usweiler. You mean they're
Speaker 1: going to damn damn mentioned they drafted Osweller to be
Speaker 1: Manning successor, and I don't think that the four years
Speaker 1: that they've been there together could have worked out any better.
Speaker 1: This is what they drew up. Two Super Bowl appearances,
Speaker 1: multiple records broken. I think it's phenomenal. So this is
Speaker 1: a great succession plan. Now you stick Osweilder in there
Speaker 1: and you've had him learning in the quarterback room with
Speaker 1: Manning his entire career, which at the Super Bowl he said,
Speaker 1: you cannot explain how helpful that was. You have John
Speaker 1: Elway in the building. I mean, it's you can't really prepare.
Speaker 1: This is Aaron Rodgers part too. I'm not seeing he's
Speaker 1: that kind of a player. But the idea of rushing
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks onto the field like four months after the drafted,
Speaker 1: this is the reverse and I think it would pay
Speaker 1: off big for them to resent them. And it just
Speaker 1: feels like time that this is now where the torch
Speaker 1: gets past. That gets complicated a little bit that you
Speaker 1: just won the super Bowl. So it's like you think, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe status quo, but you need to move on and
Speaker 1: we'll see it's just a it feels like it's just
Speaker 1: a political game. They got to make sure they make
Speaker 1: all the right moves to get it done, and I
Speaker 1: trust John Away. Would you be happy if Asweidler went
Speaker 1: to Cleveland, for instance, mark on a big money deal, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, because because teams are gonna start show an
Speaker 1: interest maybe once they get to the combine. They're not
Speaker 1: allowed to, but they will. I mean Osweiler, and he's
Speaker 1: just he's very polished and says all the right things.
Speaker 1: How much he wants to go back to DENVERNI loves
Speaker 1: that locker room. But I think probably someone would have
Speaker 1: to obviously take the risk of majorly over pain for
Speaker 1: a quarterback that has a small sample size. But that said,
Speaker 1: like just spending a little bit of time with him,
Speaker 1: like reporters did at the Super Bowl. It is the
Speaker 1: opposite of some of the Haywire quarterbacks they've had. He's
Speaker 1: the opposite of Manzelle in terms of how plugged in
Speaker 1: he is and how hard he works, and so from
Speaker 1: that angle, I think it would be interesting for another
Speaker 1: team to pull him away. If you like him better
Speaker 1: than one of these other guys in the draft, you
Speaker 1: can't swing and miss on another draft guy. Uh. In
Speaker 1: other news, uh Adam Gaze was hired as the head
Speaker 1: coach of the Miami Dolphins last month. Uh he's thirty
Speaker 1: seven years old. He's the youngest head coach in the
Speaker 1: league and Dolphins owner. It is optimism season, uh in
Speaker 1: Miami always is this time of year. More than any
Speaker 1: other franchise. He always it always seems like Miami thinks
Speaker 1: they finally have figured out, and Steven Ross believes they
Speaker 1: have hit hit a home run if you will. With
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, he had this to say, instead of getting
Speaker 1: a retread that really hasn't had a great track record
Speaker 1: as head coach, I was looking for somebody that really
Speaker 1: could be the next if you will, Bill Belichick, Bill
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels. Uh. He told the Palm Beach Post, you know,
Speaker 1: really a great head coach, and I think we got one. Uh.
Speaker 1: Is there any connection to Bill Belichick other than both
Speaker 1: men being thirty seven when they first got well, he
Speaker 1: pretty much conflicted himself considering Bill Belichick was a retread
Speaker 1: when he landed with the Patriots. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what Steven Ross is looking for, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Steven Ross is is fascinated
Speaker 1: and borderline obsessed with the Bill Parcels coaching tree. He's
Speaker 1: had Parcels as a consultant for most of the time
Speaker 1: has been in Miami. The general manager, Jeff Ireland was
Speaker 1: a Parcels guy. Tony Sperano was a parcels guy. Mike
Speaker 1: Tannon mom who's now running the old parcels rules the
Speaker 1: football's are in Miami is a parcels guy. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's no surprise that he made those comparisons. It seems
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a uh, leap of faith
Speaker 1: to me. Well, he's a guy that owns the Time
Speaker 1: Warner Center in New York City and he has been
Speaker 1: and that's you know, where he's made his money in
Speaker 1: some respect, and he's been obsessed with those teams and players,
Speaker 1: and it's it's still what I was. The other thing
Speaker 1: he said in this that that within three years, basically,
Speaker 1: if after three years we haven't made the playoffs, we're
Speaker 1: looking for a new coach. That's just the way the
Speaker 1: way it is. The fans want it, Come on, fans
Speaker 1: want it. Please. You're gonna sell out a stadium in
Speaker 1: the NFL no matter what the fans want. You make
Speaker 1: your money from TV. I mean, you can't listen to
Speaker 1: the fans on what I want to sell it out
Speaker 1: in Miami or you're not gonna fill the seats. At
Speaker 1: least they're gonna make money because they're part of the NFL.
Speaker 1: It doesn't The point is you can't listen to the fans.
Speaker 1: You run your operation how you want to run it.
Speaker 1: There's enough pressure on these guys, especially when you're the
Speaker 1: youngest head coach in the league. It takes probably two
Speaker 1: seasons to really start to feel comfortable. And I get
Speaker 1: the whole you want to be a playoff team right away,
Speaker 1: but it was sort of unnecessary to make that comment.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, who does it help? It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a port. I mean, it just leads to discussions
Speaker 1: like this one that makes makes it on that it
Speaker 1: puts undo, uh, you know, pressure on Adam Gaze. Maybe
Speaker 1: not really, but but it's it's kind of obvious too, right.
Speaker 1: Maybe Jim Caldwell wins eleven games and he starts off
Speaker 1: the next season poorly and everyone just assumes he gets fired.
Speaker 1: That's year two after a hugely successful year one. So
Speaker 1: that's just the way the NFL works. He's it's weird
Speaker 1: to hear it, but yes, after three years, you don't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Like almost never is a guy back
Speaker 1: for a fourth I don't think it happens, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been that team that Yeah, they've hovered around that
Speaker 1: eight and eight mark before what you know, it fell
Speaker 1: off the wheels a little bit last year. But if
Speaker 1: they go five six, seven wins, then yeahs counter to
Speaker 1: how success works in the NFL. We we pointed out
Speaker 1: in this podcast at mid season all the best NFL
Speaker 1: teams were ones with stability head coaching quarterback. Doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like the Dolphins are floating to a little bit like
Speaker 1: they're they've They've been a buzzy pick to make the Plaoffs,
Speaker 1: especially last year. But I don't know we've seen enough
Speaker 1: of Ryan Towne Hill to kind of know who he is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Lamar Miller will be back. That
Speaker 1: won't make him any stronger. If he decides to go
Speaker 1: somewhere well where they'll give him the ball. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's going on in Miami.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel too good if I was remember that
Speaker 1: fan base. You know what the big takeaway from this
Speaker 1: whole article was. When I was researching this, Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: is our Adam Gaze beat writer. That's the big takeaway.
Speaker 1: He has written five articles about Adam Gaze from January
Speaker 1: first through mid February. None of the rest of around
Speaker 1: the NFL has written a single Adam I thought Connor
Speaker 1: got in there once or twice. But uh, I mean
Speaker 1: I like the coaching, you like the coordinator. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's why I thought the coordinator supreme for the
Speaker 1: last few years. In terms of bell of the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ross always wants that splashy higher and there
Speaker 1: wasn't a Jim harball sitting out there this year, but
Speaker 1: he got what a lot of people thought was the
Speaker 1: number one candidate. So how about just sit back and
Speaker 1: be patient for a bit, let the thing breathe. Well,
Speaker 1: this seems obvious, but the longer I've covered the NFL,
Speaker 1: I still think it's underrated. And it's the most important
Speaker 1: thing is your owner, and it's quarterback. It's the life,
Speaker 1: I would say, the owner. I mean, the quarterback maybe
Speaker 1: is number one, but ownership matters so much in any sport,
Speaker 1: in any sport. But it matters even more than I
Speaker 1: thought it, Like, I keep realizing it matters more and
Speaker 1: more and more. And he's a guy who bought the
Speaker 1: team six or seven years ago, and I think he's
Speaker 1: still making a lot of the mistakes new owners make.
Speaker 1: The If I was your mentor, you would have known
Speaker 1: about the power of owners in sports, one of which
Speaker 1: ended my fandom by the way I knew. I was
Speaker 1: aware of each and every one of Mark's uh adam
Speaker 1: gaze post because he would tap me on the shoulder
Speaker 1: after he finished each one, and it's like, here, here's
Speaker 1: some gaze in your face in the simulated direct quote.
Speaker 1: True story. Moving on, speaking of beat writers, Chris Westling, Uh,
Speaker 1: one day when David Johnson is enshrined in Canton and
Speaker 1: the bust is on display, it will be Chris Westling
Speaker 1: around the NFL writer Uh for twenty years consecutively that
Speaker 1: will handle the speech. Uh. Here's something from west the headline,
Speaker 1: Steve come quote scary how good David Johnson can be?
Speaker 1: And uh, wes you believe that David Johnson was slighted
Speaker 1: by the offensive Brookie of the Year of Voters. They
Speaker 1: gave Todd Gurrl only the award. But this is what
Speaker 1: Kim had to say about Johnson, just going back and
Speaker 1: looking at some of the things David did on our
Speaker 1: tape just recently from a skills set standpoint, it's scary
Speaker 1: six one West two six, he moves quick, He's fast.
Speaker 1: Is this guy the future the running back position in
Speaker 1: the NFL? I wasn't aware that I was the only
Speaker 1: David Johnson supporter room and in the NFL community. Well,
Speaker 1: you're like the biggest guy. You're like the guy when
Speaker 1: someone needs like a David Johnson quote for a feature
Speaker 1: they're working on called the Old Mailman. Chris, how many
Speaker 1: times have you spoken to David Johnson? Zero? But West
Speaker 1: doesn't speak to anybody in the actual NFL world, only
Speaker 1: for my long form projects because they're former players who
Speaker 1: are free to speak their mind and don't give you cliches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good, Yeah, go ahead, talk about David Johnson. I
Speaker 1: like this because it's basically echoing with Greg Rosenthal has
Speaker 1: said on this podcast that David Johnson is already one
Speaker 1: of the six or seven best running backs in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And when you hear Steve come and Bruce Arians talk
Speaker 1: about him, it's pretty obviously they see him as a
Speaker 1: superstar who plays three downs and is already one of
Speaker 1: the best receiving backs in the NFL, just a well
Speaker 1: rounded guy. Well, this is the guy that every year
Speaker 1: a new fantasy guy is kind of the bell of
Speaker 1: the ball. And usually I disagree with it, you know,
Speaker 1: I disagreeable, but he but David Johnson should be he's
Speaker 1: got to get taken to the top seven or eight picks,
Speaker 1: I would say next year. And that doesn't bother me
Speaker 1: at all. He could do it all. He's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: he reminds me a lot of Levan Bell, not like
Speaker 1: they're the same player, but that they are a rare
Speaker 1: NFL running back that could do literally everything. Tom Moore
Speaker 1: to find Tom Moore of the what was the subgenerian
Speaker 1: octogenarian consultant for the Cardinals on offense, compared him, compared
Speaker 1: him to Frank o' harris. Pretty high praise, are we,
Speaker 1: by the way on the fantasy corner right now here?
Speaker 1: I am with Chris West and Greg Rosenthal, the founders.
Speaker 1: They built the brick by brick, even the HTML Road
Speaker 1: a World. Also in the room is Mark Sessler. We're
Speaker 1: talking about David Johnson, top ten pick and a standard
Speaker 1: UH ten team drafts. I have no qualms about that whatsoever.
Speaker 1: He has both the opportunity in one of the best
Speaker 1: offenses in the NFL, has the three down skill set,
Speaker 1: and is just really talented. Such a mentor to West.
Speaker 1: I brought him with me for Road to World this
Speaker 1: year and now it's head over after he built it
Speaker 1: brick Butter Sizzler corner his hot take on fantasy, Well,
Speaker 1: I think that the what I like to see when
Speaker 1: a rookie running back has the season he did is
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta go into next season and train.
Speaker 1: When Jeremy Hill was the guy we were talking about
Speaker 1: a year ago who became absolutely the reverse. Because it's
Speaker 1: not because anyone was wrong about Jeremy Hill. He's dynamic,
Speaker 1: but maybe he didn't take his training seriously enough. So
Speaker 1: if you're David Johnson, you start reading all these headlines,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it up. This is an excellent point
Speaker 1: I would I would make two points as a rejoinder.
Speaker 1: David Johnson, among all of the effusive praise crime had
Speaker 1: was basically one of the things. Just a great guy,
Speaker 1: great young man we all love anyway, so you think
Speaker 1: he has the diligence to follow through. But also from
Speaker 1: a fantasy perspective, David Johnson's receiving ability makes him slump proof,
Speaker 1: whereas Jeremy Hill needed the Bengals to be playing from
Speaker 1: ahead to score fantasy. And you don't see Arizona taking
Speaker 1: a step back on offense, don't at all. I think
Speaker 1: they will be even better, I thought on the Sizzler
Speaker 1: Street corner is more kind of a little something a
Speaker 1: little far flung, so something little edgy. And then you
Speaker 1: brought some real analysis that I was not ready for. That.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're surrounding in a room by multiple mentors,
Speaker 1: you just can't help but develop that kind of analysis.
Speaker 1: Over in the course of five six years, check in
Speaker 1: very slowly. Let's check real quick over on the Throne
Speaker 1: of Ease, where D'Angel Williams is tweeting the Steelers running back.
Speaker 1: Uh that he is Uh? He set out a first
Speaker 1: of all, I set out a tweet which I found
Speaker 1: in interesting. It was a notice of termination from the Panthers,
Speaker 1: which just shows you how cut throughout the NFL is
Speaker 1: a Panther's fan. In response, or excuse me, a Patriots
Speaker 1: fan in response, tweeted back, you know the paths we
Speaker 1: treat you with respect, come to us. And d'angelo's response
Speaker 1: to that was interesting. He said, from what I hear,
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing here because I lost the paper, but from
Speaker 1: what I hear, Tom Brady is the only person that
Speaker 1: likes Bill Belichick, So I'm good with that. Uh. Greg,
Speaker 1: your thoughts you you you must be obviously very angry
Speaker 1: about that. You have furious how dare D'Angelo will be smirched.
Speaker 1: You know what people like. They like rings on their fingers,
Speaker 1: they like money that they make in free agency, they
Speaker 1: like being they like being productive. So I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that probably wouldn't say it's the
Speaker 1: most fun place to work, but they it's a good work.
Speaker 1: Famously said he quit his attempt at catching out with
Speaker 1: New England because he wasn't having fun there or wasn't
Speaker 1: what he was expecting. But yeah, if you're running back, though,
Speaker 1: I guess your Patriots running back, unless you're Corey Dillon,
Speaker 1: you're probably never gonna be the glory boy of that team.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're gonna be in the playoffs. You get closer,
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Winster Bowls. West just disgusted by Daniels Angela Williams.
Speaker 1: That is preposterous. Any player, any professional sports player in
Speaker 1: any sport, once a coach who puts the team first
Speaker 1: and puts his players in position to win every game
Speaker 1: every season. That's the foremost thing. Is your coach smarter
Speaker 1: than the other team's coaches and give us an advantage
Speaker 1: every week? Can they help you, can he help? Can
Speaker 1: you help your career? Dian Lewis, La, Garrett Blunt, Kevin
Speaker 1: Fock made them money, bade Marine. I could go through
Speaker 1: all their running back backs of the last you know,
Speaker 1: five or six years, and he's helped, you know, maximize
Speaker 1: their skills. Also, you don't hear like one player after
Speaker 1: the next exit in New England, even the ones that
Speaker 1: weren't they couldn't cut it because they weren't mentally intelligent
Speaker 1: enough to handle some of the wide receivers. No one
Speaker 1: comes out nailing Belichick. I mean, no one's. No one's
Speaker 1: coming out there bad mouthing that that coach. I mean
Speaker 1: it's I mean sure, but don shoolah uh to you
Speaker 1: know Eric Mangini on down there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that have had bad things to say about him,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, maybe not NFL Virtue, Eric mcmini, Hey,
Speaker 1: he's my friend from the bar Le Malone um. Alright,
Speaker 1: So Belichick, Yeah, who cares if anybody likes you, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady also tweeted out some photo or I was
Speaker 1: on Facebook of him skiing on the top of the mountain. Greg.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a reconstructed knee he's almost forty years old.
Speaker 1: You don't want him on that mountain, right, Someone asked me, seriously,
Speaker 1: is this bother? It's like, my life's too short for
Speaker 1: to be bothered by what tom Brady's doing with his
Speaker 1: family in the off season. Hate the call tom Brady.
Speaker 1: It's better than the condition he was in at the
Speaker 1: boxing match last summer, the Pack Mayweather fight. The shots
Speaker 1: of the pay per view of Tommy walking into the
Speaker 1: arena he had fun of the Kentucky Derby earlier that day.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're alluded to him. That is
Speaker 1: what I'm alluded too. We are not want to throw stones,
Speaker 1: right exactly. Life is uh. You know, we could all
Speaker 1: die out of the way home from work today in
Speaker 1: a car crash. I'm not gonna get too worked up
Speaker 1: about to choke on a chicken boone. Greg. If you
Speaker 1: were to die in a car accident, I would be
Speaker 1: very upset and I would be at your funeral. It
Speaker 1: would be that's good, So I guess I'm a friend.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, it would be a It would
Speaker 1: be a particular You would think that would be a
Speaker 1: particularly bad time for me to die because we would
Speaker 1: have you know, died on you know, an unfortunate day.
Speaker 1: You'd have to get someone on that case. I wasn't
Speaker 1: going no, I'm just saying it's out there on tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going there. I just said you would want
Speaker 1: to speaking of It's like the kid who didn't tell
Speaker 1: you know, his dad something nice. You know they got
Speaker 1: in a fight right before you never yeah, that's always Uh.
Speaker 1: The last thing I told him was that I hated him.
Speaker 1: And he's pounding on a window. I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys have started to patch it up though. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't the one that ever questioned our relationship that was,
Speaker 1: so I'm more I'm more kind of like reacting off
Speaker 1: that and just trying to be like, all right, how
Speaker 1: serious was he was? He just upset? Was it? You know,
Speaker 1: something that will blow over? And we're still I'm still
Speaker 1: gonna lay the land situation. It's blown over. It's blown over.
Speaker 1: I was just I was just letting you know, you know,
Speaker 1: put my name in mouth. You gotta be careful. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I just put my name. That better be a drop
Speaker 1: on Nick four Tiers website. By the way, we need
Speaker 1: Nick to update the sandwich bets and I don't need
Speaker 1: him to don't want to call him out, but you know,
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Speaker 1: All right, finally in the news, Uh, the Giants tweeted
Speaker 1: out made it official. We've known this for like a month,
Speaker 1: but our old friend, private investigator Frank Signetti p I
Speaker 1: his officially uh the quarterbacks coach of the New York Giants. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is a new staff member, Greg Rosenhought of the staff.
Speaker 1: So we're happy. Not only is Frank Signetti, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about Signetti. Uh, you know turn he had to
Speaker 1: turn in his badge and his gun and St. Louis
Speaker 1: Uh did not did not get a chance to clean
Speaker 1: up the streets and the way he wanted to. But
Speaker 1: now I was going to Gotham and good opportunity, no
Speaker 1: shortage of crime and streets to clean. So that is
Speaker 1: an interesting landing spot for Frank. But to spend it
Speaker 1: back towards football, Greg, you you really have an issue
Speaker 1: with this coaching staff in uh in the meadow lands,
Speaker 1: Well this whole think about blaming Tom Coughlin for everything
Speaker 1: keeping the whole staff. Basically, it bothers me that they
Speaker 1: brought back the GM. And then the thing that really
Speaker 1: stuck out in the in the press release today was
Speaker 1: that he has twenty assistant coaches bed back into twelve
Speaker 1: of those coaches, including all three coordinators the staff lst year.
Speaker 1: Obviously McAdoo was on the staff last year. It's basically
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin staff. That's fine. Here is the first quote
Speaker 1: of the press release. Quote, this is a new staff.
Speaker 1: McAdoo said, nobody was retained. There were no holders, holdovers.
Speaker 1: Everyone was hired. When I sat down with everyone on
Speaker 1: the staff, that was one thing I wanted to make clear.
Speaker 1: No one was retained, No one was a hold over.
Speaker 1: Everyone here was hired as part of a new staff.
Speaker 1: But it just happens to be Tom Coughlin staff. Why
Speaker 1: why are they Why is he well, no, he's his
Speaker 1: point I guess is that this is my staff. This
Speaker 1: isn't Tom Coughlin staff. I started this staff from scratch.
Speaker 1: It just so happened. The staff is almost the exact
Speaker 1: same as last year's staff that was Tom Cofflin exactly.
Speaker 1: Anyway with that qualify as false hustle, No, no, it's
Speaker 1: come up recently that we some people don't understand the
Speaker 1: phrase false hustle, apparently myself. Yeah, I just learned it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it made sense immediately. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I went out and hired these guys. Well, actually like
Speaker 1: half of them were already here, so nice, try looking
Speaker 1: like you worked hard. Well, it's just like, why are
Speaker 1: you going out of They really are trying to stress.
Speaker 1: It's a whole new Biginni Giants fan. It's a pr tactic.
Speaker 1: It's a whole new Biginnia Giants fans because I think
Speaker 1: Giants fans like me have been underwhelmed by this whole idea.
Speaker 1: You're Giants fan, No, but I'm saying I've been underwhelmed
Speaker 1: Giants fan. The Yeah, the dirty little secret here for
Speaker 1: the Giants is that they ran Tom Coughlin out of town.
Speaker 1: So now this is all the clean up and it's like, whoa,
Speaker 1: they ran Tom Coughlin out of town. It's kind of
Speaker 1: crazy if that happened, but that's what they decided to do.
Speaker 1: One of the great tragedies of this offseason is that
Speaker 1: Coughlin did not end up in Philly. That would have
Speaker 1: would be amazing to watch, and I was gonna be
Speaker 1: like seventy by the time the next offseason rolls around.
Speaker 1: Maybe he will be too old. I'll be the Giants
Speaker 1: coach next year. Is his whole staff is there take over?
Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride Jr. Is the tight ends coach. Um. And
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Yes, franchise tag, you
Speaker 1: can now hit your guys with it. Nobody in Russia
Speaker 1: do it, at least at the beginning of the business day. Uh.
Speaker 1: In the opening day of the franchise period, uh, Chris
Speaker 1: Westling wrote up a piece on NFL dot com. He
Speaker 1: called it the Franchise Tag Primer. And you listed twelve guys, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, basically putting in in order how likely to
Speaker 1: unlikely they that they will be get getting tag prominent
Speaker 1: guys and will start from the bottom of the list.
Speaker 1: You're gonna skip past the punters and the kickers. And
Speaker 1: that's not disrespectful. But they're not the life Are they
Speaker 1: the lifeblood? Who would be the life blood? Well? I
Speaker 1: didn't know this until today, but now I know that
Speaker 1: quarterbacks of the life blood of the NFL. Uh. But
Speaker 1: Wes is a collection of kickers and punters. Here's a tease.
Speaker 1: Go over to NFL dot com and check out who
Speaker 1: West West put as the kickers and punters. But we'll
Speaker 1: start with number twelve on your list, Russell o'coon, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks tackle former first round pick. Uh. You put him
Speaker 1: as unlikely, and he's the only one that's unlikely. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious why I was well, he had a major injury.
Speaker 1: He he's supposed to be out for at least five
Speaker 1: months recovering from surgery. I don't know if a team
Speaker 1: is gonna use the franchise tag on someone like that
Speaker 1: as desperate as the Seahawks are on their offensive line.
Speaker 1: Under the questionable list, uh, two names, one that I
Speaker 1: could pronounce and one I will defer uh to Greg
Speaker 1: Rosental Reggie Nelson, the Bengal safety at number eleven listen
Speaker 1: to questionable and then a Ravens guard Greg by the
Speaker 1: name of thank you, Uh, questionable Chris Westling. Reggie Nelson
Speaker 1: makes a little bit of sense because the Bengals always
Speaker 1: have plenty of cap room, and Nelson is I think
Speaker 1: he's going on age thirty three coming off his best season,
Speaker 1: So in that sense, it makes sense just to go
Speaker 1: one year with him, and assembly is one of the
Speaker 1: best guards in the NFL and also showed late last
Speaker 1: season he can play left tackle. The only problem is
Speaker 1: you have to franchise him at the tackle rate thirteen
Speaker 1: point five milliject everything on offensive line falls under the
Speaker 1: offensive line umbrella. It just seems that they're completely different
Speaker 1: positions that the NFL would be ahead of that the
Speaker 1: way they're paid. They they used to be separate, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think is relatively. I don't
Speaker 1: know why they combined it. Although big name guards. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he made it to the open market, he'll get
Speaker 1: twelve or thirty million dollars a year, he'll get it
Speaker 1: at pretty much at that rate. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that crazy. I mean, that's just how free agency
Speaker 1: has got to be this year with all this cap
Speaker 1: rub western. Next category was voting yes. I in all honesty,
Speaker 1: I took these categories from Greg Rosenthal. This is you
Speaker 1: could have made a new you know headline. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I used voting yes every single year.
Speaker 1: I think this has long been a Greg post though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exposed when he was out of the office, and would
Speaker 1: this be false Hustle asked me to do this now.
Speaker 1: It was it was smart thinking by everyone involved, because
Speaker 1: they moved up the free agency timeline this year, there's
Speaker 1: less time until free agency starts. Franchise tags start today
Speaker 1: usually would have been next week. Did it sting? Though?
Speaker 1: When you sew it up advertised to someone else's pipe.
Speaker 1: I really did see it. I wouldn't say it's stuck,
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, why did they do that?
Speaker 1: And I was corner. I was like, I should have
Speaker 1: at least let me know. But then I saw that
Speaker 1: the whole timeline had changed. I thought that's a good ticket.
Speaker 1: Would have been too late, all right. So these are
Speaker 1: the ones West thinks it will happen. Ali vernon the
Speaker 1: Dolphins defensive enage. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm breaking it out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this thing going. I'm up board, Eric Barry,
Speaker 1: the chief safety, Doug Martin, Bucks running back Cordy glen
Speaker 1: Bill's offensive tackle uh and Big Mo Wilkerson of the
Speaker 1: Jets West, which one of these guys on this group
Speaker 1: that I just named off would would not surprise you
Speaker 1: if they somehow did not get the tag. I know
Speaker 1: you said that it will happen, but it could where
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. It's tricky to do this because a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys it's like either the franchise tag
Speaker 1: or a long term deal before free agency. I think
Speaker 1: Doug Martin is a guy everybody's talking about now who
Speaker 1: might want to test his value on the open market.
Speaker 1: It's clear he wants to get paid like a top
Speaker 1: running back, and it's not clear yet if the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: think of him that same way. So I think he
Speaker 1: would jump out in and Olive Vernon as well. The
Speaker 1: Dolphins have cap issues, so I don't know if they
Speaker 1: want to go franchise tag with him. Would you yeah,
Speaker 1: I would not vote yes, but those two would you
Speaker 1: be a little spooked if you were, you know, with
Speaker 1: Doug Martin. I know he had an amazing first year
Speaker 1: muscle hamster great last season. The two years in between
Speaker 1: not so great at all. To to bank on him being,
Speaker 1: you know, one guy and not the other, I'd be
Speaker 1: a little nervous to give give him good money. I mean,
Speaker 1: like we talked about before the show, though, the thing
Speaker 1: is you've got Dirk Cutter's the head coach, and he
Speaker 1: is really the main proponent of Doug Martin all last
Speaker 1: offseason when Martin probably was a good bet to land
Speaker 1: on a different team last year had he not been
Speaker 1: you know, rallied around by buy the coach who's now
Speaker 1: they had guys. So I think they keep him around.
Speaker 1: Perfect guy for a franchise tag, because you don't want
Speaker 1: to go multi years with him. You want to say,
Speaker 1: all right, can you repeat last year? That's what I
Speaker 1: thought until then I and I even said it in
Speaker 1: a Now hit. It does make sense running back more
Speaker 1: than anything. One year contracts are awesome, but eleven point
Speaker 1: five million dollars for Doug Martin, it's just it's tricky.
Speaker 1: I think they'll find a long term deal for him.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll franchise him, franchise tag him, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna have franchise tag Olivier Verdon
Speaker 1: because your boy Derek Shelby is a free agent as well,
Speaker 1: and you got Dama Consue. Take it up a lot
Speaker 1: of money. I think it's gonna get He's gonna break
Speaker 1: the bank if. I just don't think they can afford
Speaker 1: to add another guy at that number, And I think
Speaker 1: they'll let him if you're the Bucks, though, you you
Speaker 1: have your quarterback under a an affordable contract long term
Speaker 1: and it is a one year you're your your pain.
Speaker 1: Maybe too much for a running back, but it's a
Speaker 1: one year thing. And you see if you take if
Speaker 1: you Doug Martin out of that offense, what happens to
Speaker 1: the running game? What's his value? Though? If he's gonna
Speaker 1: be like a twelve million dollar player, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like you gotta get there for one
Speaker 1: year though it's a running back, you go year to
Speaker 1: year with him. That's why I don't think he'll get
Speaker 1: the tag because I think they'd love to sign him
Speaker 1: long term. But what's his long term deal right now?
Speaker 1: Two years? Sixteen million and most of it's guaranteed something
Speaker 1: like that. You know, that's a lot for running back.
Speaker 1: But I think they would do that. But if you're
Speaker 1: doing that, you can't pay him eleven in the first
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Just now, that's a no
Speaker 1: brainer to me. Why you've got plenty of capra him.
Speaker 1: If you're the Buccaneers, why not just throw eleven million
Speaker 1: at your running back? What else are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with the money. It disappears quick though, Yeah, but where
Speaker 1: else are you You're gonna go over do what the
Speaker 1: Raiders do and go over pay for a bunch of
Speaker 1: mediocre free agents. I don't know, Just spend your money
Speaker 1: you need to. Finally, the no brainers, as West puts that,
Speaker 1: these are guys that are will be tagged if they
Speaker 1: don't get long term deals. Von Miller number one, Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins number two, Josh Norman number three, and Alshan Jeffrey
Speaker 1: number four. Makes sense to me outside Jeffrey is the
Speaker 1: only guy in that list that it seems like people
Speaker 1: in Chicago aren't totally convinced that he's going to get
Speaker 1: the tag. For instance, Tampa, they don't think Martin is
Speaker 1: going to get the tag. You would think that Jeffrey
Speaker 1: would get it. Why wouldn't he. He's a difference maker
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, and I think the question with him
Speaker 1: has always been do you trust him to stay in
Speaker 1: peak physical shape. He's had in college and the NFL
Speaker 1: several seasons where he's had issues, and last year with
Speaker 1: the hamstring injuries, that was an issue. So but I
Speaker 1: think when he's healthy, he's one of the top ten
Speaker 1: receivers in the NFL. Well, I mean, they're dry and pace.
Speaker 1: The GM did say we are gonna factor in his durability.
Speaker 1: But if you don't have Jeffrey, you've lost Brandon Marshall
Speaker 1: the year before, and now you're hoping that Kevin White
Speaker 1: comes back out of nowhere met this year too, right,
Speaker 1: So you I think you you've got to just to
Speaker 1: to stay in your offense, you've got to keep Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Marshall move was the right move because they
Speaker 1: didn't really like him as a personality in the locker room,
Speaker 1: but he went out and had a hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: catches last year. Jeffrey, if he's healthy and goes to
Speaker 1: a team that can move the ball on offense, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a monster your takt. Just let these studs
Speaker 1: out the bid nineties Montreal X. I like having and
Speaker 1: Duquet having to get rid of Pedro Vlad Guerrero Marquis
Speaker 1: the North of the Border Martinez. If Jonah Carry is
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, he's just completely enamored by you
Speaker 1: right now. I don't even know who that is. The
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, how big of a boon Doggle.
Speaker 1: The franchise tag is boon dogg Boon Doggle for the NFL.
Speaker 1: Like how lucky our NFL teams they that back in
Speaker 1: the day they thought of the franchise tag because it
Speaker 1: is preventing outside Jeffrey from making so much money. He
Speaker 1: would get fifty million dollars guaranteed, maybe forty five. He
Speaker 1: would get like a Dez Bryant type eighty million dollar contract,
Speaker 1: and yet he's prevented from doing that. I liked this conversation.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with luck. It has to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that the owners drove a hard bargain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And unlike other sports like baseball, where the product on
Speaker 1: the field suffers because the uh the union is way
Speaker 1: too strong, the NFL has never gone that way and fans,
Speaker 1: fans get rewarded for that because the owners have driven
Speaker 1: a hard bargain. You guys are making me nervous, though,
Speaker 1: about the next collective bargaining griggs One day, One day,
Speaker 1: the players and the union's gonna put their freaking foot down. No,
Speaker 1: they're not, because the the NFL owners have handled this
Speaker 1: all long since the beginning of the NFL as a
Speaker 1: league issue, as opposed to baseball, where the owners have
Speaker 1: screwed each other over the years and in turn, screwed
Speaker 1: the players so hard the vengeance had to come. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're missing the point that these other these NFL
Speaker 1: players are looking around the professional sports grid and saying,
Speaker 1: seeing how much more a middle reliever in baseball is
Speaker 1: getting paid than the best wide receiver. You have to
Speaker 1: pay fifty three NFL players and only twenty five baseball players.
Speaker 1: You know what you do to that football player, your
Speaker 1: transition tag him? Well, this is why this You're right?
Speaker 1: I think Dan that what when it comes up again,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem if nothing else, because the
Speaker 1: players have been now told for year upon year that
Speaker 1: they did a bad job because they got killed on
Speaker 1: the s CB. Um, when does this one end? For
Speaker 1: a while, a couple of years we go, We've got
Speaker 1: we've got a number of more years. Finally, before ten
Speaker 1: years it was signed it so we got till twenty one.
Speaker 1: We're good. Our children will be covering the NFL at
Speaker 1: that point, none of us will be here. Finally. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, you know Mike's going to die in a
Speaker 1: car accident exactly. Yeah, you know my feelings about the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, So let's talk about it a little bit
Speaker 1: before we go. Um, some quarterbacks kind of on the bubble,
Speaker 1: if you will, with their current rosters or not necessarily
Speaker 1: cold because they're playing, but their contract situation. So let's
Speaker 1: play a little game called uh qb uh stay or go.
Speaker 1: I like it okay, And we'll start with Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: who he wants to double double down talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more brockos Wa. Well, you know we kind of
Speaker 1: we kind of stepped on that a bit. But um,
Speaker 1: there's not There's not a whole lot more to say.
Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting to me is if another team
Speaker 1: would come out of the woodwork, another team's thought enough
Speaker 1: of him, and it's weird that the Brown's gotten I'm
Speaker 1: doing like Spenten finger to West. But like you know,
Speaker 1: when you a lot of times when coaches see a
Speaker 1: guy up front live and you lose to him, like
Speaker 1: the Bengals lost to Oswidler, that sometimes the coaches on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball like think higher of these players.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that now Cleveland's getting linked to Ostwader.
Speaker 1: Because the only thing for a team that constantly has
Speaker 1: the draft high, it could fill in a blank bad
Speaker 1: team without a quarterback, you've gotta swing and miss on
Speaker 1: a top ten pick on a quarterback that could be
Speaker 1: nothing two years from now, that you could go get
Speaker 1: someone like brock Ostwaller, whose work ethic is cemented in
Speaker 1: you know that he's been talking ethic well if you
Speaker 1: if you've been dealing with Johnny Manzelv. But I think
Speaker 1: he's just just know that. As a Browns fan and
Speaker 1: as a jetsman, I can relate. You just gotta hit
Speaker 1: on a quarterback and that half and have somebody from
Speaker 1: day one in your building that you get a good
Speaker 1: value for four or five years, and then you can
Speaker 1: have a guy you can build a franchise, or brock Oswallder.
Speaker 1: If they went after brock Osar, that would feel to
Speaker 1: me like a safe move. Maybe saying this guy that
Speaker 1: maybe that John Elway may be polished up. We weren't
Speaker 1: in that building. We don't even know for sure, but
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be okay. Whereas if you if you believe
Speaker 1: in your personnel department and Sashi, it's a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but it's not safe. There's no way that is safe.
Speaker 1: That is well, I think you're saying it's let you're
Speaker 1: not swinging for the fences the same way you would
Speaker 1: with a with a draft pick Mark talking pointed me,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I just like I think to any debate,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched a second. But if you, if you
Speaker 1: then can go spend your top five, top ten pick
Speaker 1: on a different position, you finally are starting get stronger
Speaker 1: other than one one one area of the field over
Speaker 1: and over and over. And I think that Oss Wilder
Speaker 1: for another team to come calling would be interesting. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to see. Malik Jackson, who's going to
Speaker 1: be ranked very high in our top ninety nine free
Speaker 1: agents list that comes out next week. Is that the
Speaker 1: top ninety A plus Michael Vick's plus Michael Vick, Yeah, one, O,
Speaker 1: one or Kenny. He said, Oswiler has proven and that
Speaker 1: he's under under rated and undervalued. And I would say
Speaker 1: if he's not proven of the Broncos after four years,
Speaker 1: then that's a strong statement. You should know all you
Speaker 1: need to know about him to sign him to a deal.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the Eagle situation. Uh, you know, eleven months ago when
Speaker 1: they traded for Sam Bradford, all we heard about was
Speaker 1: this guy was the perfect spread quarterback at Oklahoma. He's
Speaker 1: perfect for Chip Kelly's spread offense. Now he's going to
Speaker 1: be in a West Coast offense, which does not suit
Speaker 1: his game as well. Why pay him twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year or whatever it takes. A guy who is
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford. Since he's been in the NFL, nobody has
Speaker 1: had more excuses made for him than Sam Bradford. He's
Speaker 1: the biggest teas in the league. Why pay him? Bringing
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel, who has been from preseason to week seventeen
Speaker 1: to fill in appearance, is one of the most productive
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks in the league, is steeped in Doug Peterson's
Speaker 1: offense from being in Kansas, Kansas City with him. Why
Speaker 1: not bring him in as a patch to your next quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think he might be going. I know the logic
Speaker 1: is all these quarterbacks they put, but I think he's
Speaker 1: got to be, like any of these guys should be
Speaker 1: smelling that free agency body. And when you get close
Speaker 1: and he's not, I don't think he's gonna get tagged.
Speaker 1: I don't think it. I don't think he's gonna get tagged.
Speaker 1: Why not get to free agency at this point? If
Speaker 1: you're Sam Bradford or your whatever, then you're negotiating with
Speaker 1: any team that wants to instead of just the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe you find a better situation.
Speaker 1: But maybe they look at I'm not saying that Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford at any point last year was a heat seeking watch,
Speaker 1: but he improved over the end of the season. He
Speaker 1: came together a little bit. Maybe they feel like there's
Speaker 1: a reason for continent would or this with Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: for his entire career. Well, if you look at his
Speaker 1: last five games, well I hear you listen, I would
Speaker 1: say you could argue that Sam Bradford has been the
Speaker 1: most overpaid NFL quarterback of our generation. I mean the
Speaker 1: rookie deal that he signed and did not deliver on
Speaker 1: his unbelieva I mean, I would say JaMarcus Russeller, some
Speaker 1: guys that did nothing, Kevin Cobb, Matt Flat, Kevin brad
Speaker 1: The reason why say Bradford, if he does make it
Speaker 1: to free agis he will get paid. Is that he
Speaker 1: is still the twentieth best starter in the league or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, which is an upgrade for teams like
Speaker 1: the Brown But if they got enough goal team that
Speaker 1: I think would absolutely be addressed trying to trade for
Speaker 1: him every year. Yeah, with it not this regime. But
Speaker 1: you're right, but the But if you're the Eagles, then
Speaker 1: you've got to go replace the twentieth best starter. What
Speaker 1: That's why I think they may stick with him. Greg
Speaker 1: on June two, number thirty five on our Making the
Speaker 1: Lead List, Chiefs quarterback Chase Daniel. So maybe it's all
Speaker 1: coming around. I have been years ahead of the chase.
Speaker 1: They literally almost three years ahead. It was a little
Speaker 1: if you read it, it was a little bit of
Speaker 1: a bit almost we were having fun. But you know what,
Speaker 1: he's come in. When he's played in the preseason, he's
Speaker 1: looked great. When he's played at the regular season, he's
Speaker 1: looked good. You know what, when you're behind the Hall
Speaker 1: of Faver like Alex Smith, you're just not gonna get
Speaker 1: are I'm gonna pull a line from your your copy.
Speaker 1: Daniel might not be another Drew Brees, but it's not
Speaker 1: so crazy to imagine him as another Ryan Fitzpatrick. So
Speaker 1: you even foresaw the thirty touch trikets with the Jets.
Speaker 1: That's a good line. Well, the coaching link makes sense.
Speaker 1: I just say that he could be a replacement level starter,
Speaker 1: which I speak for yourself. Greg is just my boss
Speaker 1: nothing more than certainly not a friend to you. Certainly
Speaker 1: I didn't say you were a friend. If I said that,
Speaker 1: that's I didn't be that you were a friend. Are
Speaker 1: we back here? Different levels of supporting friendship. He thinks
Speaker 1: he's your friend, he just doesn't think you're his. I
Speaker 1: I felt blindsided by that comment. I think I'm I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear Area hosts surprised when uh fellow
Speaker 1: podcast No member that he blasted for Ted Bitt. It's
Speaker 1: a different bits comes back at the longest headline ever.
Speaker 1: Keep my name out of your mouth. Um, it hurt Greg,
Speaker 1: That's all. I will bring up Brian Hoyer, and I
Speaker 1: will bring up Ryan Hoyer because he authored one of
Speaker 1: the the worst performances in the history of the NFL
Speaker 1: playoffs in January. Through four interceptions, lost a fumble, the
Speaker 1: Texans got beat thirty to nothing. In their building. It
Speaker 1: mentioned in the same breath with Ryan Linley. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't get much more grim than being mentioned with Ryan
Speaker 1: Linley in terms of quarterback performances and what makes his
Speaker 1: situation interesting. He's under contract for next year with the Texans,
Speaker 1: but Bob McNair, the owner of the Texans, Bobby Mick
Speaker 1: uh came out and basically put the higher UH front
Speaker 1: office and coaching staff on the old hot butt seat
Speaker 1: by saying, I need a franchise quarterback. So the owner
Speaker 1: has now stepped in and basically said Brian Hoyer is
Speaker 1: not the answer, go get somebody else. The problem is,
Speaker 1: you know, they won the a f C South. I
Speaker 1: think they have the twenty second pick. That's not as
Speaker 1: we know because we're talking about guys like brock Oswilder
Speaker 1: and Sam Bradford getting a lot of money. There's not
Speaker 1: a great free agency class at quarterback. So it's like,
Speaker 1: what do the Texans do UH to to make their
Speaker 1: owner happy. I I would think that he that Hoyer stays,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I don't know if that
Speaker 1: means he's staying as a starting quarterback. UH. They gotta
Speaker 1: figure something out because the owner are unhappy. What if
Speaker 1: Bob McNair brings in Bob Griffin or Sam Bradford. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised by the level of interest or excitement that r
Speaker 1: G three is already inspiring. You know, Lakisha on her
Speaker 1: news that she's a big Rams fan. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is representative of all Rams fans, but she
Speaker 1: was like, yes, sign me up for r G three,
Speaker 1: give it a shot. That sounds exciting. Well, you can't
Speaker 1: blame her with what she's been watching at quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Plus it would do it. It would kind
Speaker 1: of complete the Redskins banging in a way in the
Speaker 1: sense that not only did you get all the draft
Speaker 1: picks and all that glory from that trade in two dozen,
Speaker 1: tell now you've got the player as well, and ever
Speaker 1: became anything close to the old RG three. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they would never ever fire Jeff Fisher number one. He will,
Speaker 1: who would live forever and less needs hair, would turn
Speaker 1: it even greater golden shade of yellow. If you compare
Speaker 1: r G three with an offensive mind like Jeff Fisher,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just sit back and you just crack
Speaker 1: a beer and you watch Welcome to l A. I
Speaker 1: do think there's I don't know. I've ripped on RG
Speaker 1: three quite a bit the last couple of years because
Speaker 1: he had never developed into a real NFL quarterback. But
Speaker 1: when you watch his rookie tape, not hard to convince
Speaker 1: yourself that a good coach or a creative coach can
Speaker 1: do something with him. Same thing when you look at
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, it's crazy to think how far he's fallen.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite as dramatic as r G three, but
Speaker 1: it was close. I mean, the last the last year
Speaker 1: and a half of tape that he's put up is
Speaker 1: pretty bad. And yet I don't know the tool The
Speaker 1: tools are there, you would think the right coach should
Speaker 1: be Chip Kelly. And so if we're talking about stay
Speaker 1: or go, I think I think he'd stay in San
Speaker 1: Francisco because I think Chip Kelly was hired in part
Speaker 1: on a cell job that he could turn around Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's career, that you don't need to find another quarterback necessarily.
Speaker 1: I could make these guys that are there, Kaepernick and
Speaker 1: Gabbert look pretty good. That's how I read it. I
Speaker 1: thought that Kelly hiring and was controversial to bring him
Speaker 1: back after the way it ended in Philly, but that
Speaker 1: they had what seemed like three or four years ago,
Speaker 1: one of the top three young quarterbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: and it's got to a point where he's being bench
Speaker 1: for Blaine Gabbert. I think they're probably, you know, in
Speaker 1: the top of that front office people that still think
Speaker 1: maybe Kaepernick can get back he's not even thirty years old,
Speaker 1: so bringing the genius and see if you can fix him. Well,
Speaker 1: the flip side is you you're the Niners and you
Speaker 1: haven't had a lot of top ten picks. You've got
Speaker 1: a number seven pick. You could Chip Kelly for the
Speaker 1: first time in his career, could use the draft to
Speaker 1: pick the quarterback he wants. That said, if the Kaepernick
Speaker 1: and Kelly thing don't match, what quarterback does match with
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, Like, if he decides I can't this guy's
Speaker 1: not for me, then I'm baffled at this point what
Speaker 1: a Chip Kelly quarterback is because you're giving up on
Speaker 1: everything you say you didn't have in Philadelphia post healthy
Speaker 1: Michael Vick, I'm still waiting for Kaepernick to stay and
Speaker 1: for Blaine Gabbert to beat him out. Well, Kelly praised
Speaker 1: Gabbert quite a bit, I mean athletic. Well, maybe he'll
Speaker 1: he'll end up as the starting quarterback for the Jets
Speaker 1: under general manager of Miniche Meta to New York Venice,
Speaker 1: flying that Kaepernick to Jets flag very hard, but I
Speaker 1: don't I haven't heard anything else connecting the Jets to Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: I think the Niners keep him, but we'll say West
Speaker 1: all in a blame Gabbett too. I'm not all in.
Speaker 1: I just you know, Greg said Kaepernick has all the tools.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has accuracy or touch. It's fair.
Speaker 1: He definitely does not have touch. That's pretty important tool
Speaker 1: for an NFL quarterback. I gotta go watch some of
Speaker 1: those last uhty Niners kind of fell off the radar there,
Speaker 1: but Gabbert's last few weeks. I think if those were
Speaker 1: his first few weeks, people would not have been as
Speaker 1: excited about him. Um. So there you have it. Another
Speaker 1: episode of the Around the NFL podcast is in the books.
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday. It depends if Greig
Speaker 1: gets through the Niners tape by then. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of watchfay he has another podcast to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have a few others now and talks with
Speaker 1: the R and B podcast R and B and G. Well,
Speaker 1: all right, since I'll be more supportive, it is Thursday,
Speaker 1: and then next week, by the way, we have a
Speaker 1: Monday show and then we're all going to Indianapolis and
Speaker 1: we're gonna tape a nice video show from the NFL
Speaker 1: Scouting Combine next So our listeners, hopefully all like that. Greg, Now,
Speaker 1: this stage is for your other podcast. Do you think
Speaker 1: in your mind will be back? I know you did
Speaker 1: the final episode. It's very important to be supportive of
Speaker 1: each other. So will the r j VP be back?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We I hope it's back in some form.
Speaker 1: Who knows the NFL Nick wants to get paid nothing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah he has not been. Uh you know, secret about
Speaker 1: his unhappiness. Just tell the NFL to ta get out
Speaker 1: of my pittance that I get on NFL? Like, what
Speaker 1: if you gave West a salary to gentle Nick? Would
Speaker 1: that do it? Seriously? I think someone already gave it
Speaker 1: to someone else. Yeah, I think that would be more
Speaker 1: than enough. Yeah. I think that would be more than
Speaker 1: enough for one show week. That would be pretty easy, buddy.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how supportive I am of your other show.
Speaker 1: Greg Um, all right, that's it. Uh, this is Dan
Speaker 1: hands Is signing off for Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The Boss,
Speaker 1: and Last See Behind the Glass. It's out Thursday. What's up? Everybody?
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