Speaker 1: Full hand try. It's a touchdown. The falls was bubbled
Speaker 1: into the end zone and following on by cop for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. So one absolute desperation moment, Rogers gives it
Speaker 1: the other way. He's crolled up. We gotta flag the
Speaker 1: game start over, crapped up by the face mask. Rogers
Speaker 1: in trouble. It's gonna get to him in the inside
Speaker 1: triple wind. Richard Rogers for the wolf touchdown, came endow
Speaker 1: for the Packers, game ender for the Packers, the game
Speaker 1: that we will never forget. I mean, that is one
Speaker 1: of the all time finishers in NFL history. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: to his brother Richard to win the game. We could
Speaker 1: have an entire podcast about just that play, because really
Speaker 1: there's a there's one podcast to talk about five or
Speaker 1: six minutes about the first fifty nine minutes and five
Speaker 1: d four seconds of the game, and then we could
Speaker 1: just really talk about the last six seconds. That's all
Speaker 1: the matters. I'm Greg Rosenthal here with Chris Westling. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the Thursday night Packers victory over the Lions,
Speaker 1: and then we will get to Dan Hansas and Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler and Andrews Siciliano and all the games. But Wes
Speaker 1: what went through your mind when you saw that? Well,
Speaker 1: that's true that it changed everything. It changed what we
Speaker 1: were going to write, but nobody wants to hear about that.
Speaker 1: It changes the fact that the Lions could have swept
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, run the table and gone
Speaker 1: nine and seven and you could conceivably see them as
Speaker 1: a wild card team. And now it's hard to picture
Speaker 1: that at eight and eight, and the Packers seemed to
Speaker 1: be free falling out of the postseason picture, or at
Speaker 1: least to the periphery of it, with a chance to
Speaker 1: free fall even further. And now it looks like they're
Speaker 1: set for another playoff rom. You don't know if this
Speaker 1: will be a catalyst towards the Packers often solving some
Speaker 1: things or not. But but that doesn't matter. They're eight
Speaker 1: in four now they are a much much safer bet
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. I think if they felt a
Speaker 1: seven and five after this loss, then you start worrying
Speaker 1: about if they could fall right out now. They could
Speaker 1: be in first place by the end of the weekend.
Speaker 1: And I mean Aaron Rodgers called it the greatest game
Speaker 1: he's been a part of since the Super Bowl, so
Speaker 1: he's not just talking about that play, which just had
Speaker 1: to have been an unbelievable high for him, but also
Speaker 1: the twenty to nothing come back. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: had told me when the Packers were getting the ball
Speaker 1: with about nine minutes left in the third quarter that
Speaker 1: they were gonna win that game, it was twenty to
Speaker 1: nothing at that point. But but even that, all that,
Speaker 1: all this feels like prelude though, because really the whole
Speaker 1: game was the last six seconds. Yeah, well, back to
Speaker 1: that twenty is nothing deficit. It's not just to the
Speaker 1: overcame that, but how much was stacked against him with
Speaker 1: most of the second half four of his offensive linemen out. Uh,
Speaker 1: the receiver still can't separate. The play calling never opens
Speaker 1: up a wide receiver for him. It relies on him
Speaker 1: to extend every play and no running game. Eddie Lacy
Speaker 1: disappears once again, Everything stacked against Aaron Rodgers hits Davante
Speaker 1: Adams with a perfect tight window throw, scrambles for seventeen
Speaker 1: yards for another touchdown. And then people can argue about
Speaker 1: that face mask. It clearly the rule says no players
Speaker 1: shall twist, turn, or pull the face mask of an
Speaker 1: opponent in any direction. It was clearly pulled and twisted.
Speaker 1: So I disagree. I think when you watch that play,
Speaker 1: but that's in super slow motion. The rule says in
Speaker 1: real time it looked like a face mask too. I
Speaker 1: think Dean Blandino, so the player talking about Devin Taylor
Speaker 1: hits Aaron Rodgers in the face mask too, you know.
Speaker 1: And of course you guys probably watched the game and
Speaker 1: have seen this play. At the time that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: gets pulled by his face mask, he has about seventy
Speaker 1: yards and eleven Detroit Lions to be in. Time has expired.
Speaker 1: That's how much the game is over. The thumb hits
Speaker 1: Rogers in the face mask. I don't think he grasps
Speaker 1: it at all, just kind of hits it. Doesn't look
Speaker 1: you can get the roles. It doesn't say grass no
Speaker 1: players shall twist, turn or pull. He clearly twists and
Speaker 1: turns it. Rogers head jerks to the side with the
Speaker 1: base of a thumb in the corner of the face masks,
Speaker 1: pulling it to the side. That's a penalty. Will will
Speaker 1: agree to disagree. And I think that Dean bland you
Speaker 1: know statement was telling. Right after the game, he sent
Speaker 1: out a twitter he said hand up to the mass
Speaker 1: quick grab with finger and head gets turned at full speed.
Speaker 1: Official is going to make that call almost every time,
Speaker 1: and I think that's totally fair. It was an understandable call.
Speaker 1: It will be made almost every time. He was not
Speaker 1: saying it was the correct call. He was saying in
Speaker 1: that situation, you're not gonna I don't care if he
Speaker 1: was saying it. It is. It clearly is. You can
Speaker 1: see it, and fans have an expectation that what they
Speaker 1: see on slow motion can also be translated to real
Speaker 1: time by referee. They're delusional. You can't. Fans cannot have
Speaker 1: that expectation, right. I think it definitely looked different in
Speaker 1: in slowmation slow motion, but that that's all almost beside
Speaker 1: the point. The reality is they were seventy nine yards
Speaker 1: away with six seconds to go, that that game was over.
Speaker 1: They got the ball back with twenty three seconds left.
Speaker 1: My lead for the article was gonna be Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: and the Detroit Lions defense playing very complimentary and the
Speaker 1: biggest play of the game until that point was Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford's third and long to a receiver we've never heard
Speaker 1: about through a non existing window to burn some clock. Off,
Speaker 1: and it appeared to end the game. The Packers get
Speaker 1: the ball back with twenty three seconds left, a couple
Speaker 1: in completions and they have seventy nine yards to go
Speaker 1: with six seconds. They do the desperation later thing. Even
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Richard Rodgers is the one who
Speaker 1: threw the ball to Aaron Rodgers, which at the time
Speaker 1: looked like an insane lateral because there was no one
Speaker 1: behind Aaron Rodgers anymore. I mean, Richard Rodgers through it
Speaker 1: about twenty yards back Aaron Rodgers. If he looked behind him,
Speaker 1: there's no more Packers left. So the game the game
Speaker 1: is over at that point. And then Aaron Rodgers to
Speaker 1: pull off this play and it's not a total escapes
Speaker 1: a sack from Jason Jones first right, then rules out
Speaker 1: and uncorks a beautiful sixty one yard pass. I was
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to that because I was thinking,
Speaker 1: if if anyone can throw a beautiful Hail Mary, it's
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And you know, Phil Simms pointed out that
Speaker 1: the height on it really made the difference. And you
Speaker 1: wrote the post about Richard Rodgers who came on the
Speaker 1: NFL network set after the game and he had he
Speaker 1: had a great nugget for them. He had a great
Speaker 1: nugget which reminded me and immediately of Brandon Boston last
Speaker 1: year in the NFC title game. Admitted afterwards, I was
Speaker 1: supposed to block for Jordy Nelson. Richard Rogers says, I
Speaker 1: was supposed to box out for Demonto Dwante Adams. As
Speaker 1: soon as I saw the ball released for Aaron Rodgers hands,
Speaker 1: I knew I had a chance to catch it. So
Speaker 1: he deviated from his assignment and it worked. It worked,
Speaker 1: and he in great athleticism by Richard Rodgers. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was a clean, nice jumping catch. There was really
Speaker 1: nothing sneaky about that. He made the right choice not
Speaker 1: to let Davante Adams try to catch it. And the
Speaker 1: crazy thing is that his debt, or one crazy thing
Speaker 1: is that his dad, for his whole life, he has
Speaker 1: heard about the Stanford Band Play, which is such a
Speaker 1: famous play that it's known as the play, right, it's
Speaker 1: known as the play. And now his son, Richard Rogers
Speaker 1: has an even more prominent role in what in a
Speaker 1: play that maybe it doesn't go down with the Stanford
Speaker 1: Band Play, but it's in wisconsinent will It's gonna go
Speaker 1: down as one of the great endings of all time.
Speaker 1: And my immediate thought when this happened, like a lot
Speaker 1: of other people, I assume, was well, this is payback
Speaker 1: for the failed Mary, because that's the other craziest ending
Speaker 1: I've ever been writing about for NFL dot Com. When
Speaker 1: it happened, and in the second it happened, I just
Speaker 1: knew that's that's all anyone's gonna be talking about. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen a hail Mary touchdown of
Speaker 1: that length. No, I'd never have in the NFL. It's
Speaker 1: exact it's the exact same length of Doug Flute's touchdown
Speaker 1: the one. But I'm not sure I've seen that in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And it happens by a guy who's the
Speaker 1: reigning m v P and against a franchise who has
Speaker 1: had some of the worst things happened to them, I mean,
Speaker 1: and just when they were believing something that seemed impossible,
Speaker 1: that they were gonna win their four straight game, that
Speaker 1: they looked like one of the best teams in the league,
Speaker 1: that they maybe could run the table. For that to
Speaker 1: happen in their home stadium is about as devas stadium
Speaker 1: loss as you can possibly have. It could change to
Speaker 1: coaching outlooks too that I think the way this game
Speaker 1: went that Tom Clements would have come under a lot
Speaker 1: of fire and Mike McCarthy would have had a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure to take play calling duties again because the
Speaker 1: Packers were doing things they've never done in the Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers era, going through droughts they haven't experienced in twenty years.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, Jim Caldwell might not
Speaker 1: get out get out of jail free Cord. Now, that's
Speaker 1: it's absolutely true. I could talk about this one forever,
Speaker 1: but we should get to the rest of the week
Speaker 1: twelve games. We're in. Wow, deep into the games. I knew,
Speaker 1: I knew I messed it up their week thirteen games. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's an amazing start to the week. The fact that
Speaker 1: they followed the Browns finish with this finish. What's next?
Speaker 1: Who knows? Let's send it over to Dan and find
Speaker 1: out The Around the NFL Podcast still thinks about the
Speaker 1: Gold Standards sometimes each time the wind knows. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Jansas and I'm joined by Rebelled with Heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosato. What's up, boys,
Speaker 1: hey man? That's true. I mean gold Standard, um when
Speaker 1: one day we're gonna put his name is going to
Speaker 1: go up in the rafters is one of the great
Speaker 1: producers in the history of the Round the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, let's just say what I saying,
Speaker 1: like it is Sydney is killing it. Behind in the
Speaker 1: Glass and the couple. What has it been about six
Speaker 1: weeks now you've been with us? Uh full time producer,
Speaker 1: it's been like four months, but it's like the full
Speaker 1: time like Behind the Glass. Brandon left in October early October.
Speaker 1: So what would that be think Sydney and gold Standard
Speaker 1: would be fast friends. There's a lot of shared qualities.
Speaker 1: I think. I think they don't think they're bitter enemies.
Speaker 1: Hates Disneyland, well, I don't know that. Well, that's we
Speaker 1: don't know that at all. Standard doesn't hate anything. He
Speaker 1: hates bad soccer, I don't know. I don't Zack Goldman,
Speaker 1: wherever you are in the world right now, well soccer,
Speaker 1: So that would well be out at the public straight off,
Speaker 1: think about going in the rafters of that money Smith's
Speaker 1: delivery on these uh are getting better and better. I
Speaker 1: even like to think there was a little Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: ballot at the end of that. A lot of can't
Speaker 1: stop loving you. The Shadowy League figures keep on getting
Speaker 1: in tighter on me. When it comes to what we
Speaker 1: can use with music, we might be in trouble for that.
Speaker 1: I gotta check downstairs. After this Sydney watch out, I'll
Speaker 1: be on my best lookout. Expect like three with my
Speaker 1: last breath. Expect three different meetings. I'll say, in the
Speaker 1: same thing or different things. Yes, this is the Thursday
Speaker 1: Preview Special Preview. Additionally, be around the NFL podcast. Of course,
Speaker 1: you heard at the top of the show Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: and Chris Westling the A team. Is that accurate? Mark? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean typically Yes, give you a recap of Thursday
Speaker 1: night football between the Green Bay Packers and Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: at Ford Field. Uh. Our job now is to tell
Speaker 1: you about the rest of the games. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Thirty two teams? Do teams plate? Thirty teams?
Speaker 1: Fifteen games? No bis? Yes or no? Greg means no
Speaker 1: let up in this show. Games to crank through. We're
Speaker 1: gonna I'm already exhausted thinking about it. Oh yeah, uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I've been working out really just from this show.
Speaker 1: You've never been to a hand before. Have you now
Speaker 1: lifted away in your life? I've never really lifted weights now,
Speaker 1: but you know, unners other ways to be in shape, swimming, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not really yoga, hot yoga. I've run. I'm not
Speaker 1: really buying Greg's story. Borrow cessli doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: Being in shape would not help you get through two
Speaker 1: more games. I'm taking a vacation halfway through this podcast.
Speaker 1: Well that's fine. Well we'll carry on west if you
Speaker 1: just want to go like face down on the table
Speaker 1: about halfway through, because we've got a lot to get to. Uh,
Speaker 1: andrews Siciliano is gonna drop by. He hasn't been here
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, as producer came on the show,
Speaker 1: Uh Burger last week. Uh so you knew Andrew was
Speaker 1: gonna be close behind to make sure he establishes the
Speaker 1: status quo as it should be. Talent first, behind the
Speaker 1: what they call behind the below the liners, that's what
Speaker 1: they're called, you know, put him back in their place.
Speaker 1: That's the way the true talent looks at things. Damage
Speaker 1: taught me that talking to a lot of things. Uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: why don't we Why don't we get to the games?
Speaker 1: We have so much to get to. Um so let's
Speaker 1: start with the one PM games? Is that okay? Greg? Please?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Why wouldn't you still doing that other podcast,
Speaker 1: the Jessel Nick and Rosenthal Vandy Project. There flipped the
Speaker 1: names there, I guess, But yeah, everyone should download if
Speaker 1: you like this show. Did you have an episode canceled? Well,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll have to listen in and sounds sounds a
Speaker 1: little contrived, got squashed? Really? No, you just he just
Speaker 1: took the week off and he's trying to sell the
Speaker 1: audience that the show got square? Who with the two
Speaker 1: of you? And that what happened? Who have the two
Speaker 1: of you? You? Ni? Wait? Did you actually get I'm
Speaker 1: not even the most vain person in this room, not
Speaker 1: even close. Well wait, you're saying that yourself. I mean
Speaker 1: you like dead last at the Common King? Wait, I
Speaker 1: mean is different, different than being vain? I'm being serious? Now,
Speaker 1: did you actually have an episode that got completely got?
Speaker 1: What was the subject matter? Why? Why could I talk
Speaker 1: about that? Now? Well? Why not? Because then that would
Speaker 1: be deep six Wow, must have been pretty graphic. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the games. Greg uncomfortable talking about it,
Speaker 1: just trying to set up, you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a plug. But he's not taking it. It's not
Speaker 1: taking the bait. Well it's on, Greg, We got enough plug.
Speaker 1: It got very strange in here, strange energy in the room.
Speaker 1: You know, first we had last week's show or the
Speaker 1: last show we have the Greg's trying to fix. He's
Speaker 1: like Greg looking to do in the program and here
Speaker 1: let me help you. Okay, yesterday you did last show.
Speaker 1: You didn't like that I was talking about hot butts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to plug. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: we know people want hot butts. I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: heard a lot on Twitter. They were they loved it.
Speaker 1: We that someone made a website dot com. I can't
Speaker 1: believe it wasn't taken the Z at the end. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into a start with the one pm games.
Speaker 1: The Houston Texans, uh dare I say the hottest team
Speaker 1: in football? Not not called the Carolina Panthers. Panthers fans relax, geez,
Speaker 1: you guys are a touchy bunch, but the Texans are
Speaker 1: playing great football. Now six and five, tied for first
Speaker 1: in the a f C South defense, playing as well
Speaker 1: as any unit in the league right now, they travel
Speaker 1: to Buffalo. I love this game. I think this is
Speaker 1: a very good game for this reason. Guys. I think
Speaker 1: the Bills. The one thing we've learned about them is
Speaker 1: while they are definitely a flawed team, they are also
Speaker 1: a team that on any given week can play like
Speaker 1: the team they were they best case scenario back in
Speaker 1: August they could have been. They have that geared to them.
Speaker 1: I think they're good. That's gonna come out. The Texans
Speaker 1: are going down west. You disagree with me, tell me
Speaker 1: why I have entirely bought in on the Texans. This
Speaker 1: is the best defense in the NFL, allowing eight point
Speaker 1: eight eight points per game over last month, two or
Speaker 1: fifty yards, the best marks in the league over that span.
Speaker 1: J J. Watt, Jevian Clowney, Whitney Merciless. Their secondary is
Speaker 1: playing lights out with Kevin Johnson the rookie in the lineup,
Speaker 1: and then on offense. Is Gregg pointed out last week,
Speaker 1: Billo O'Brien has gone innovative and creative. He did it
Speaker 1: because how are you going to move the ball with
Speaker 1: t J. Yate since your quarterback, and now with Hoyer
Speaker 1: and there they kept a lot of that wildcat. They
Speaker 1: promoted a guy named mcke Kim hunt off the practice
Speaker 1: squad runs about a four three five forty. They give
Speaker 1: him the ball four or five times a game in
Speaker 1: creative ways, and they're finding ways to move the ball.
Speaker 1: And really, Romeo Cornell's defense is playing lights out. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go into Buffalo and show Rex what
Speaker 1: a dominant defense really is. They're deeper. I mean, you said,
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson, that's as good a trio of cornerbacks as
Speaker 1: any in the league right now. The way Jonathan Joseph Johnson,
Speaker 1: UH and Kareem Jackson are playing, Bernard jack McKinney has
Speaker 1: been making plays for them linebacker, They're just tough to
Speaker 1: get through in terms of all levels of their davids.
Speaker 1: All with all that said, I agree with Dan. I
Speaker 1: think the Bills are capable of winning this game absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, they have plenty of talent. They their offense
Speaker 1: can come and go a little bit. It's really the
Speaker 1: defense that I'm more worried about. I Mean, Buffalo's offense
Speaker 1: is at its best when they are running the ball well,
Speaker 1: and they've done that in many games this year. But West,
Speaker 1: you know, the Texans run defense, especially last month and
Speaker 1: a half, is shutting teams down to like seventy seventy
Speaker 1: two yards per game. And nothing is more embarrassing. If
Speaker 1: you're Rex Ryan, then after all the hubbaloo about your exotics, Blitzku,
Speaker 1: you have ten sacks if you're the Bill's defense, that
Speaker 1: is less than J. J. Watt the entire Buffalo defense.
Speaker 1: And this comes. This comes with a personnel that's set
Speaker 1: a franchise record in sacks two years ago with Mike
Speaker 1: Petton and lad the league last season under Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 1: Incomes Rex Ryan. One's billing. This guy is some defensive
Speaker 1: master line. Ten sacks outrageous. So fired up about Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan I think right right now in Week thirteen, the
Speaker 1: Texans are as good as any team in the n FC.
Speaker 1: That is an interesting call us They are a team
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. As far as picks this game,
Speaker 1: I disagree. So you have to if because of the offense,
Speaker 1: because off Hoyer, he's managed it well. But we always
Speaker 1: overrate the team that just played the Saints. It's happened Okay,
Speaker 1: they beat the Bengals, who are nine, but it was
Speaker 1: they beat the Jets who are six and five. Who
Speaker 1: Who's I mean the Patriots. I'm not saying in January
Speaker 1: the Patriots won't be much better, but as they're currently comprised,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're much better. Would still take the
Speaker 1: Broncos and the Bengals. I know they beat the Bengals.
Speaker 1: That that's just one week. Just the running backs. The
Speaker 1: quarterback you have de Andrew Hopkins, which is incredible, but
Speaker 1: it's not enough. Well, scientists, A good thing about football
Speaker 1: is we're gonna find out in about a month. We
Speaker 1: all picked the Bills of the accept and of no,
Speaker 1: Westling and Patrick actually picked the Texans. So Patrick and
Speaker 1: Westling also won two in the picks. As we come
Speaker 1: down the home stretch, just be copying off of us.
Speaker 1: This could be. This could be a huge matchup, swing
Speaker 1: matchup as Hansas and Sessler tied for third place. The
Speaker 1: renegade or buried in the back end and more by
Speaker 1: the way, little teas are more wild renegade picks from Connor.
Speaker 1: How far back are you, Kevin? We are we are
Speaker 1: nine back. I'm not allowed. I was seventeen back at
Speaker 1: one point stick a fork in it, though five weeks
Speaker 1: too many people not Greg. Come on, man, I'm just
Speaker 1: out to man. Just Dan is my season. You should
Speaker 1: be happy that I stuck a fork in you. We've
Speaker 1: stuck forks in three teams that are currently in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I just don't like you talking about the picks, man.
Speaker 1: You quit on us bro like Brett Farve quit on
Speaker 1: the Packers. I watched that timeline NFL Network's answer to
Speaker 1: thirty for thirty I believe very good debuted after Thursday
Speaker 1: Night Football. You should check that out. Good, thank you professional.
Speaker 1: Moving on, the San Francisco forty Niners travel to Soldier
Speaker 1: Soldier Field to face the Chicago Bears. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a five and six team for the Bears, but you know,
Speaker 1: clinging to life in the NFC playoff picture, absolutely have
Speaker 1: to have it against the forty Niners, who have been
Speaker 1: better with Blaine Gabbert surprisingly than they were with Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: But still the Bears have to have it. But Mark,
Speaker 1: I'll say this, a couple of weeks ago, I remember
Speaker 1: the Bears being in a similar situation. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: blanking on who that team was where it's like I
Speaker 1: had to have it game, you know, get grown and
Speaker 1: they blew the game. Are they going to take care
Speaker 1: of business this time? I think they will. I mean
Speaker 1: I only buy the forty niners when they're at home
Speaker 1: because they've been a completely different team at home. I
Speaker 1: don't know why that is. That's that doesn't speak a
Speaker 1: lot about any team when that's the situation. But Chicago
Speaker 1: is getting the best season we've seen from Jay Cutler
Speaker 1: in a long time. It's changed my opinion of him. Well,
Speaker 1: all right, the trust mean year was was good. I
Speaker 1: think he's making better decisions right now. You could say
Speaker 1: Josh McCown out played mccount Coddler that season. You could
Speaker 1: say it because it happened. There you go. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think this Bears offense and in the Bears
Speaker 1: in general. Going into the year, I thought this is
Speaker 1: the most boring team in sports potentially and they might
Speaker 1: go one in fifteen and it's not true. And I
Speaker 1: think Vic Fangio is one guy that wants to lay
Speaker 1: a hurt on San Francisco. Love that coordinator heat with
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. I think he's gonna do it too. I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of big names on defense,
Speaker 1: but the forty Niners cannot run the ball, and it
Speaker 1: comes down to stopping playing Gabbert. It can be done.
Speaker 1: We talked about coaches on the hot seat on our
Speaker 1: previous show. Some hot butt talk, uh Jim Tom Sulla
Speaker 1: didn't come up, but he probably has to win a
Speaker 1: couple of games. Greg right to be safe here the
Speaker 1: three and thirteen. I don't think we'd cut it. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought. Um Ian Rappaport, we were just chatting
Speaker 1: about it. He tended to believe that is a lot
Speaker 1: more say than we would imagine. That is because they
Speaker 1: put their butt on a line for him, I guess.
Speaker 1: But they also put it on the line for Trent Balky.
Speaker 1: They're saying this is his organization, and I think there's
Speaker 1: some thought around that team that they might get rid
Speaker 1: of Balky after this year. I don't trust that ownership
Speaker 1: group to stay the course or to not get distracted
Speaker 1: by whatever shiny coaches out there at all. So I
Speaker 1: think if they ended the season really ugly, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock me if they made big changes. But they're not
Speaker 1: playing ugly right now. They're they're playing competitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're I don't think they're cashing in games. I mean
Speaker 1: they're winning some games. They're competing with the Seahawks. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about him. Gab Gabbert's pretty They're not that, they're
Speaker 1: a little better. If they can get in like a
Speaker 1: bootleg offense in there, he'd be perfect for that. And
Speaker 1: Shane Drone was not terrible last week. He helped on
Speaker 1: the grounds, he caught passes. I just think there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of talent in Cisco, but one more guy,
Speaker 1: their first round pick, Eric Instead is playing really well
Speaker 1: the last couple of Sean Jones was the first running
Speaker 1: back in the entire league this year to play every
Speaker 1: snap of a game last week and he's looked like
Speaker 1: a competent and nothing great and not by Cleveland. Nice job.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Jim tom Sewell is, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought he was putting an almost impossible situation this season.
Speaker 1: He almost you know, as long as this team is
Speaker 1: playing hard and their competitive, he deserves another year to
Speaker 1: really start to build something there. It wouldn't be fair
Speaker 1: if they dumped him after giving him such a tough task.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. We all think the Bears are
Speaker 1: gonna win this game. But we'll see about tough. It's
Speaker 1: a tough matchup for for Gabber fans. They didn't win
Speaker 1: win in Green Bay because of their offense. They scored
Speaker 1: seventeen points and didn't score the entire fourth quarter. The Packers,
Speaker 1: I think, at five possessions in the fourth quarter and
Speaker 1: they couldn't get one single touchdown. The coach that turns
Speaker 1: Tracy Porter back into a quality starting cornerback is a
Speaker 1: coach that's a It's pretty damn good. Moving on, Uh,
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals got back in the win column and
Speaker 1: moved to nine and two with an easy win over
Speaker 1: the Rams. They now head to Cleveland to face a
Speaker 1: Browns team that has to be just gout it after
Speaker 1: what happened on Monday night. Of course, of course it
Speaker 1: was the now infamous in Cleveland Lore. Uh. What what
Speaker 1: was it called? It was a six? It was like
Speaker 1: a kick off. There's so many to Brown's losses that
Speaker 1: this was a blocks field goal, run back for a
Speaker 1: touchdown as as time expired. What was it off? That
Speaker 1: was the same thing as the Alabama play a couple
Speaker 1: of years people just copied it. Um so yes, a
Speaker 1: crushing defeat. But again, you know what, the Browns are
Speaker 1: playing hard for Mike Petnon. They're not getting a results
Speaker 1: now two and fourteen in their last sixteen games dating
Speaker 1: back to last season, and now they get the Bengals.
Speaker 1: We keep saying that, but isn't it two and fifteen.
Speaker 1: I guess there's no point in the point. I guess
Speaker 1: that people just like banging the number sixteen there. Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna see Tyler Eifford in
Speaker 1: this game for the Bengals. Will it matter? No, No,
Speaker 1: the Bengals, I mean we they lost to the Texans
Speaker 1: when nobody thought the Texans were good. Now that we
Speaker 1: know they're good. So there are two losses are against
Speaker 1: the really good Houston team and on the road against Arizona,
Speaker 1: which is one of the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The Bengals are phenomenal and Jeremy Hill is coming off
Speaker 1: his best game of the season. They're getting stronger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't need effort, And you know, anyone that's suffered
Speaker 1: through watching Browns games this year, you can run the
Speaker 1: ball all day long. On this team. They're out of
Speaker 1: position on too many plays every single game. There's wide
Speaker 1: open holes and you've got way more weapons than Cleveland
Speaker 1: does functional players in the secondary. I don't see this
Speaker 1: as even being a close game. Now, if you could
Speaker 1: put money or ever predict that a Gholston was on
Speaker 1: the way. And for new fans of the show, a
Speaker 1: gholston is our statistical term for when a team does
Speaker 1: not have a QB hit or a sack. Some people
Speaker 1: call it a dirty Peter, but that's true. That was
Speaker 1: the other name that was I think some got some votes. Uh,
Speaker 1: if there ever there was a game, they're going to
Speaker 1: be a ghostan. It's Brown's trying to go up against
Speaker 1: this Bengals offensive line, which is really playing well and
Speaker 1: is the key, I think to everything they do in
Speaker 1: Cleveland's their own worst enemy. If you they have only
Speaker 1: you have to go back to two thousand twelve when
Speaker 1: they played the same quarterback in both games against Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis has faced I think it's fifteen different Browns
Speaker 1: quarterbacks during his tenure the team, which speaks to absolute dysfunction.
Speaker 1: And now you're ruling Austin Davis out. And I think
Speaker 1: Austin Davis did an adequate job on Monday Night, But again,
Speaker 1: it's someone that's has no chemistry and very few snaps
Speaker 1: with the players around him, and you're in December. Terrible
Speaker 1: job by the Brown as usual. Well, they're sticking to
Speaker 1: their guns. Whether the guns, it's absolutely ridiculous. We said it.
Speaker 1: We were in the huddle they work commissary here two
Speaker 1: days ago and we were all in agreement that what
Speaker 1: Manzel did, whether it was lying to the team or
Speaker 1: you know, clubbing on on the bye week, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: we understood that he got disciplined for it. And but
Speaker 1: what happened on Monday night having to be bent for
Speaker 1: that game, which was, you know, such a great game
Speaker 1: to want to be a part of, and even McCown
Speaker 1: gets hurt and he had a chance to go in
Speaker 1: there and be the hero. Instead you just had a
Speaker 1: hundred sideline shots of him looking like a stiff. That
Speaker 1: was enough punishment. But instead, whatever is going on in
Speaker 1: that building, whether it's the front office or the coach, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, getting a little too tough, they have they
Speaker 1: have blown this as much as you can and they're
Speaker 1: just gonna send men's all out of town apparently now
Speaker 1: and not know whether le ever get back on his
Speaker 1: feet or whether he's any good and they're just gonna
Speaker 1: roll the dice. I hate this move. I think I
Speaker 1: think he'll start again, and I hope I'm wrong because
Speaker 1: my sandwich proposition that said Austin Davis is gonna start
Speaker 1: more games than Johnny Manzel is like the Rudy of
Speaker 1: Sandwich proposition. People said it couldn't be done. It looked
Speaker 1: all the way but dead, and then incomes Austin Davis
Speaker 1: that big touchdown. Unfortunately, Manzel already started three games, so
Speaker 1: there's five games left of the season. I really need
Speaker 1: Austin Davis to run the table here to take possible,
Speaker 1: which I feel like is. I feel like it's unlikely.
Speaker 1: I feel like more it's more likely that Johnny Manzel
Speaker 1: does get back in there. But it wouldn't it be great.
Speaker 1: This is something America can really rally behind. America. Me
Speaker 1: and Austin Davis, two little guys that's an underdog. It
Speaker 1: sounds like it's about you do we haven't. It's about me,
Speaker 1: Greg rosal drop. Austin Davis is like, by the way,
Speaker 1: the the rudy one. We'll be able to tell the difference.
Speaker 1: Man off the light on that I can do it
Speaker 1: for you. Greg's cell phone currently he has the flashlight
Speaker 1: device open and it's been on for him. By the way,
Speaker 1: the ultimate Rudy go get your lunch was last year
Speaker 1: when I said case keenan would start more games than
Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett. Case keen was out of the league for
Speaker 1: like fifteen games, and then he got signed randomly to Houston,
Speaker 1: started a game he didn't. Yeah, but that was Rudy
Speaker 1: really didn't win either. Rudy was just a scrub. Great analogy.
Speaker 1: Then alright, moving on, we all what would you guys
Speaker 1: surprised if I told you that Connor to the Browns. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't do it. We all took the Bengals. Moving on, Uh,
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Yes, they were the team that was
Speaker 1: on the winning side. Of course of the kick six,
Speaker 1: as it is now known in NFL lore. I guess
Speaker 1: that the blocked kick six that does that does not
Speaker 1: exactly roll off the tongue. They head to Miami now
Speaker 1: to face a corpse staffing team that fouled that fired
Speaker 1: Bill Laser replaced them with one of Tannehill's cronies from
Speaker 1: his Texas A and m days, Zach Taylor, is that
Speaker 1: the enhancer, right, okay, and uh now they are gonna
Speaker 1: attempt to allow Ryan Tannehill. And I thought it was
Speaker 1: very telling in the news, um uh Yesterday's uh Miami Herald.
Speaker 1: I think I start in a couple other places, Tannehill
Speaker 1: openly speaking about how he's really looking forward to the
Speaker 1: bright horizon in Miami now that he'll have some input
Speaker 1: on the offense and the ability to audible out of plays.
Speaker 1: It's kind of remarkable to me that in two thousand,
Speaker 1: fifteen and ninety six million dollar quarterback was that handcuffed
Speaker 1: in an office, but that west is what was happening,
Speaker 1: uh in Miami. Now they get Baltimore at home. What
Speaker 1: a thankless individual, Ryan Tannehill is. Bill Laser gets him
Speaker 1: a ninety six million dollar contracted The best three months
Speaker 1: of Tannehill's career happened under Lasers, watching a gimmick offense,
Speaker 1: and he basically kicks him at the door and dances
Speaker 1: on his grade. He certainly did. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: have uh done a little jock speak and and danced
Speaker 1: around it a little bit. But Tannehill basically just outright
Speaker 1: said it that he feels like he's in a much
Speaker 1: better place now with laser fired, well, great, enjoy your
Speaker 1: five games, was Zach Taylor because they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: new I mean seriously, they're gonna have a new coach
Speaker 1: next year. So that's why this whole move on some
Speaker 1: level didn't make any sense. But I guess the only
Speaker 1: way it makes sense is if you're twisted enough and
Speaker 1: they are to believe, hey, we're not out of it yet,
Speaker 1: We're two games out of the playoffs. This is our
Speaker 1: only chance for you know, thirty different guys who are
Speaker 1: on the staff to keep their jobs next year's win
Speaker 1: five straight and make the playffs. They still think they
Speaker 1: have a chance to do that. That's the only reason
Speaker 1: why you make that move. They're playing the right opponent
Speaker 1: because their coach convinced the Ravens two weeks ago that
Speaker 1: they're in the playoff teams. I disagree by the way.
Speaker 1: I know it's tricky, you know, an offensive coordinator um
Speaker 1: sticking around, but they have so much invested in Tannehill
Speaker 1: and jobs are on the line. I think even if
Speaker 1: you're you're not keeping Dan Campbell, which imagine they're not.
Speaker 1: If Tannehill plays really well with Taylor leading the way
Speaker 1: and he speaking, and he talks up Taylor, which wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me because their history together. I wouldn't be shocked
Speaker 1: if if he was on the staff of whoever was
Speaker 1: the coach next year. I think these games means something
Speaker 1: beyond just making a playoff. Then you're limiting who you're hiring.
Speaker 1: I get that Taylor, but I I can also see
Speaker 1: with a Mike tnabomb team that that being part of
Speaker 1: the conversation. Well, I don't like that dynamic at all,
Speaker 1: because if you're Miami, the only reason that you made
Speaker 1: all these moves was in theory because you're a nice,
Speaker 1: warm weather city that attracts big names to go out
Speaker 1: and get that big name coach and you can't tell him. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you have to keep a or B
Speaker 1: as your coordinator. Fergie is a big Zac Taylor fan.
Speaker 1: They never get their man anyway. Yeah, there's nothing more
Speaker 1: overrated than the like, Miami is gonna get us great,
Speaker 1: especially coach. Well, I got him Jimmy Johnson, But that's
Speaker 1: decades ago. Right now, it's now it's been Joe Philbin
Speaker 1: and uh Cam Cameron. Well, that'd be it'd be the
Speaker 1: owner will fly as helicopter around the country, just doesn't
Speaker 1: come back with anyone. I like the idea of the
Speaker 1: owner of flying like a rinky dink helicopter like across
Speaker 1: America in search of the next time. He's not he
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to fly. And who was the guy
Speaker 1: in duck tails? Who was the helicopter pilot? Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a deep dive Scrooge mcducker. It was like he had
Speaker 1: a really weird name and he would always crash the hill.
Speaker 1: Probably ended in duck copter, m helicopter something like that.
Speaker 1: It had a mick in And I think, what was
Speaker 1: Why did your thought? Did the doesn't Like show get
Speaker 1: canceled last week? What happened? I can't. I can't speak
Speaker 1: about it. I've been told can you speak around? Did
Speaker 1: be told by NFL media if we want to continue
Speaker 1: to just shut up about it? Did they come from
Speaker 1: the top or did it come from the middle middle top?
Speaker 1: I mean we were told in a high level meeting
Speaker 1: just don't get on anyone's radar as a podcast. So
Speaker 1: you guys have violated the number one rule of staying
Speaker 1: on the air. You're just on everyone's radar. Now it's
Speaker 1: a catch twenty two. You have to stay so small.
Speaker 1: You can't stay on anyone's rad get on anyone's radar.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't ever get you know, further ahead
Speaker 1: in the company. If you're not on anyone's radar. Launch
Speaker 1: Pad mcquack and able Flyer launch Pad can scarcely set
Speaker 1: a playing down without a massive crash. I like that.
Speaker 1: You're forty two and that show came out in the
Speaker 1: nineties and your real plug. Don't age me. I'm only
Speaker 1: one where little brothers watched it relentlessly. Okay, alright, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're the second oldest, right, yes, all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. The Seattle Seahawks, big win over the Steelers
Speaker 1: in they're building, uh this past Sunday and now they
Speaker 1: traveled in Minnesota. This um is dare I say the
Speaker 1: game of the week? Well they never turned out to
Speaker 1: be but before well, right, am I wrong? It's like
Speaker 1: this is how about the how about Cardinals Bengal? How
Speaker 1: about how about Cardinals Seahawks? How about Patriots Broncos. We've
Speaker 1: had some good games of the week. Mark, Your cynicism
Speaker 1: isn't welcome here. Okay, it's Broncos just last week, babe.
Speaker 1: It's not West but it's me they will sit the
Speaker 1: second half of the show. I've heard enough, all right.
Speaker 1: So the Vikings, Yes, they are all alone again atop
Speaker 1: the NFC North at eight and three and here, but
Speaker 1: here is another big test with his team and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure that the subreddit is they've turned
Speaker 1: up the volumes on their transistor radios. What is going
Speaker 1: to come out of the mouths of the around the
Speaker 1: NFL team and specifically Chris Wesley, the number one enemy,
Speaker 1: the joker to their batman. Uh, this is a team
Speaker 1: that had a chance to really take control of the division.
Speaker 1: Uh two weeks ago against the Packers at home, couldn't
Speaker 1: get the job done. Now here's another test at home
Speaker 1: against the back to back defending conference champions Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: Are the Vikings gonna take care of business and hold
Speaker 1: on to first place and send a message to everyone?
Speaker 1: Right from subreddit? You get Subreddit way too much credit
Speaker 1: calling them batman. They're more like a hobbit. Well. I
Speaker 1: hope the Vikings win a game this year this week
Speaker 1: because it would be the first time they beat a
Speaker 1: good team all year. So this will be a test
Speaker 1: for them. They are a good team. They've held nine
Speaker 1: of eleven opponents under twenty points. That is great defense.
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I think the Vikings are
Speaker 1: a good team. I want to see if they're a
Speaker 1: NFC North champion kind of team, because they will finally
Speaker 1: beat a good team this week. I think they're gonna win,
Speaker 1: and I really do. I think this will be the
Speaker 1: time has been intimidated by the subreddit. That's my theory.
Speaker 1: Back to back picks with him, though, Well, but I've
Speaker 1: been correct, Well, I mean weren't. Well, you're right this time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be right. Dan's theory is completely wrong.
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't care at all about subreddit
Speaker 1: or whatever it is their message board. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think what they're all, well, what Vikings. I have a
Speaker 1: very good friend who's the Vikings fan, and basically I
Speaker 1: think they feel overlooked at this point in the season.
Speaker 1: And if you're a Vikings fan, it's fine to feel
Speaker 1: that way. I don't know. I have a friend that
Speaker 1: is also a Vikings fan who sends me nasty texts. Uh.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a fan base thing, not just the subreddit,
Speaker 1: but feels the same way that the media should be seeing.
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson's an evyb candidate that they should be seen
Speaker 1: as a superpower in the NFC. I just need to
Speaker 1: see more. People need to get over the media doesn't
Speaker 1: pay enough attention to us bit. And I used to
Speaker 1: be like this too. I'm not it's a natural thing,
Speaker 1: but it's the dumbest thing in fandom that there is.
Speaker 1: How come the media doesn't give us more credit? Like
Speaker 1: why aren't they talk? Like what does that matter to you?
Speaker 1: But it does matter. It doesn't matter to you, but
Speaker 1: I think it matters. You're on the media side of
Speaker 1: it at this point. Fans probably in the seas in
Speaker 1: like this. They aren't thinking from that angle. They just
Speaker 1: feel disrespected and they're probably hearing the players saying we're disrespected,
Speaker 1: and so you want to change and enjoy your team
Speaker 1: focused on the positive, but you know there you want
Speaker 1: to do it, then go out and stamp the Seahawks
Speaker 1: at home. You want to be they have to do.
Speaker 1: You have to do this because otherwise you've lost to
Speaker 1: Green Bay in Seattle in less than a month and
Speaker 1: it is hard to take that team seriously if you
Speaker 1: can't take care of business, especially at home. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to and it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: if Seattle won this game convincingly, because I think Seattle
Speaker 1: is turning the corner and we're still talking about them
Speaker 1: as a team that's struggling. They won four out of
Speaker 1: five games. They won a game where Russell Wilson didn't
Speaker 1: get outside the pocket at all. They scored thirty nine
Speaker 1: points on the Steelers. I think it's a very I
Speaker 1: just think it's a very good sign that they can
Speaker 1: win a game where their defense has a poor performance
Speaker 1: at home. It reminds me a little bit of how
Speaker 1: they were playing at the end of the two thousand
Speaker 1: twelve season, when you didn't know when the Seattle offense
Speaker 1: was gonna drop thirty five on you. Take a look
Speaker 1: at Seattle's uh schedule. By the way, after this game,
Speaker 1: I did the uh NFC playoff picture look back earlier
Speaker 1: this week, and if they can get by UM Minnesota
Speaker 1: this week, let me just take a look at this again.
Speaker 1: Uh The next three weeks they feature they have matchups
Speaker 1: against the Ravens, Browns, and Rams. That's a combined ten
Speaker 1: and twenty three those three teams, and then a week
Speaker 1: seven team match up against the Cardinals, but a Cardinals
Speaker 1: team that conceive it will be can be resting starters.
Speaker 1: Do not be surprised if a month from now, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks or ten and six or eleven and five, I
Speaker 1: will not be surprised. I'd be surprised if they lose less,
Speaker 1: if they don't win ten games too well, but you
Speaker 1: just picked them to lose the last possible game that
Speaker 1: they can. That means that gets them to six processes
Speaker 1: and then they win the next That's fine. I think
Speaker 1: they can do that if to win in Arizona, though,
Speaker 1: if they can't win in Minnesota, they're gonna have trouble
Speaker 1: winning Arizona. Yet, it's possible they could be resting. It
Speaker 1: seems unlikely just because seedings and that the way. Well,
Speaker 1: if they're if they're thirteen and three and the Cardinal
Speaker 1: and the Panthers are, you know, fifteen and one or something,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's yeah, if they have the two seed,
Speaker 1: they have to definitely have the two seed, not the
Speaker 1: three seed, not the one seed. They have to be
Speaker 1: locked right. Certainly, it's certainly possible. It has to be
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson's game though, because that's your offense and you're
Speaker 1: playing a team that hasn't allowed a hundred yard rushier
Speaker 1: all season, and the Vikings are this have the second
Speaker 1: fewest big plays through the air of any team in
Speaker 1: the league. So you're a run based team and you
Speaker 1: gotta win it that way, and I think they can
Speaker 1: do it. I'm glad you brought that up, and I
Speaker 1: know we should move on. But Adrian Peterson, right now,
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about it that much, is playing unbelievable.
Speaker 1: His performance last Weekends and Falcons was as good a
Speaker 1: game as I've seen out of Adrian Peterson. I would
Speaker 1: say the same thing about I think it was the
Speaker 1: Raiders game two or three weeks and he is he
Speaker 1: is fun to watch. I don't know. I just didn't
Speaker 1: watch it till the middle of the week, and it
Speaker 1: was he was just so impressive. I just it's like
Speaker 1: it's two thousand and seven. It's Adrian Peterson and Tom
Speaker 1: Brady are the two best players in the leagu He
Speaker 1: might be the goat. If I had to go back
Speaker 1: and do my m v P list over again, I'd
Speaker 1: have him higher. Yeah. Uh in terms of that game,
Speaker 1: we have Uh. Yes, Jess Mark with the hero pick
Speaker 1: on the Vikings. Moving on, Gotham. I'm gonna call this
Speaker 1: is a loser goes home match between the New York
Speaker 1: Giants and the New York Jets. Uh. The Jets are
Speaker 1: six and five, the Giants five and six. We are
Speaker 1: not going to have the Darrell Revus Odell Beckham matchup,
Speaker 1: which is a bummer. Revis This is obviously a pretty
Speaker 1: serious head injuries dealing with UH. He did not practice
Speaker 1: again on Thursday. Todd Bowls all but ruled him out
Speaker 1: UM today Thursday, So do not expect to see Revus
Speaker 1: on the field, which puts the Jets in a very
Speaker 1: tough spot against the most explosive wide receiver in football
Speaker 1: UM and Antonio Cranmarti skill set does not match up
Speaker 1: well with Odell Beckham UH buster screen. That would be
Speaker 1: a bad situation. They're gonna have to do a lot
Speaker 1: of double teaming and that could leave issues for for
Speaker 1: the rest of the defense. So no Revus makes me
Speaker 1: very very nervous about this game. As an acknowledged Gang
Speaker 1: Green fan, Greg, your thoughts, well, we predict headlines from
Speaker 1: the future every Friday on NFL. Now do you ever
Speaker 1: want to check that out? And I already told you
Speaker 1: that the Jets are gonna win this game. Well that's right, yes,
Speaker 1: And not only that, something something strange is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You know, I think this is an emotional game here
Speaker 1: for the Giants. You don't want to lose to your
Speaker 1: tenants at met like, well slow down that no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this arrangement we're very sensitive about that. We were the
Speaker 1: tenants of Giants. But that's all bolt and it's over
Speaker 1: all right, man. I just I think it would be
Speaker 1: a tough loss for Tom Coughlin in that organization which
Speaker 1: is on thin ice right now, you know, top to
Speaker 1: bottom to take. I think the Jets are a better team.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about this rivalry, which Todd Bowls called
Speaker 1: not arrivalry this week, is that it no longer involves
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan. He circled it back to X. I like,
Speaker 1: well no, because no one could make a bigger deal
Speaker 1: about this thing before happened then Rex Ryan and bottom line,
Speaker 1: you're decessarily bad. Why is that so bad that he
Speaker 1: he injected a little bit of juice into it because
Speaker 1: he doesn't follow through, well sometimes he does. This is
Speaker 1: a better team under Todd Bowls and this is not
Speaker 1: a great Giants team, but they do have Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: and I think that he alone could win this game.
Speaker 1: For him, this game is missing juice. And I'm I'm
Speaker 1: okay with Rex being out of a picture for the
Speaker 1: Jets now, but clearly his absence has felt this week.
Speaker 1: All it's been is just about four thousand puff pieces
Speaker 1: about Odell Beckham. What else is new? And uh, you
Speaker 1: know seventy four Reeva's concussion stories. That's been the gist
Speaker 1: of it. But this is such an important team for bolting.
Speaker 1: Neither team is a super Bowl team, let's face it.
Speaker 1: Although we've said that about the Giants before and then
Speaker 1: things have happened, But there's a lot on the line
Speaker 1: of this game. How can anybody pick a winner in
Speaker 1: this game without a coin? Yeah, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1: They're both like pretty. They they both defined mediocrity and
Speaker 1: they changed from week to week on whether they're good
Speaker 1: or bab Here's here's why the Jets at their best,
Speaker 1: They're Jets best is better than the Giants best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the Jets aren't gonna be at their best without
Speaker 1: Derail Revers. But they played well without I think so.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets have had three games at least
Speaker 1: this year. That's better than any game the Giants. The
Speaker 1: Giants Patriots game and the way they went after that,
Speaker 1: that was impressive. That's that's again why this is a
Speaker 1: coin flip game, because the two teams before Sunday Night,
Speaker 1: of course that played the Patriots better than anyone where
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Giants, and they are teams that
Speaker 1: are capable of doing good things. But they're also, like
Speaker 1: west said, they they're right in the middle of the
Speaker 1: pack total coin flip game. But I do like what
Speaker 1: I saw. The Jets had a little more swagger this
Speaker 1: past week. They kind of looked like the team they
Speaker 1: were in early October. So I'm gonna go with the Jets,
Speaker 1: as did Connor Or and Chris Westling probably change okay,
Speaker 1: and patra and Cessler took the Giants. Tough spot for
Speaker 1: connor Or, by the way, who was famously picked against
Speaker 1: both New York teams, teams that I used to cover
Speaker 1: on on a beat for The Star Ledger. He's picked
Speaker 1: against them almost every week, and he had to pick
Speaker 1: one this time, the Jet. I want to add some juice,
Speaker 1: asked him about that. What real tough spot he keeps?
Speaker 1: He also was picked against the Panthers seven straight weeks.
Speaker 1: That's not working out for him too well. But you
Speaker 1: wanted to add some juice, and so we're sending Connor
Speaker 1: or a couple of miles to this game. That all
Speaker 1: that's good. He'll do a good job. I just thought
Speaker 1: of some repercussions to that, but we'll I'm watching the game,
Speaker 1: but you know you might not be writing about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're putting Dan on Falcon's bucks. If I remember,
Speaker 1: you're pulling me off Jets Giant Speed. Well, this is
Speaker 1: this is I gotta pull a rank on this. Come on,
Speaker 1: this is troubling. There's honors at the games. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: need two people covering this, uh five and six matchup?
Speaker 1: Why does anybody have to be there? Somebody's gotta cover.
Speaker 1: He wanted to go. We will take this up after
Speaker 1: I I didn't. It didn't occur to me until now.
Speaker 1: You know, I plug your other podcasts and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're trying trying to take it down. I was not
Speaker 1: trying to take it down. I was setting it up
Speaker 1: for a nice plug and then I was trying to
Speaker 1: build some heat around it. Why is it getting it did?
Speaker 1: Why is it disappearing? This sounds like a dangerous, sexy show.
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to do. Professional user pro
Speaker 1: Do you disagree you thought I was Hey? When I
Speaker 1: think danger and sexy, I think you. Yeah, right back
Speaker 1: at you, buddy, His brother's danger. Yeah, Kevin danger hands us.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Uh. The Arizona Cardinals, the team of
Speaker 1: around the NFL, travel to St. Louis to face the
Speaker 1: team of Greg Rose withal the Rams. Uh. Now for
Speaker 1: one another team that's there. Now you get them for life. Uh.
Speaker 1: They are four and seven in a free fall. You
Speaker 1: know they are gonna have to go five and two
Speaker 1: just to get to their seven and nine goal, and
Speaker 1: they take them three years to get five. So they
Speaker 1: you know, they need to get Todd Gurley back going again. Uh.
Speaker 1: They need to somehow hide their quarterback, which is tough
Speaker 1: to do in the NFL West. That says all the
Speaker 1: makings of another Cardinals victory to move them to tenant two.
Speaker 1: And I know you don't think there's any way that's happening.
Speaker 1: They they're so bad. They've managed to ruin one of
Speaker 1: the best players in the NFL and Todd Gurley. They
Speaker 1: have no offensive line, no quarterback. In fact, the only
Speaker 1: player doing anything on offense is Tavon Austin, who, frankly,
Speaker 1: it's borderline Pro Bowl this year. He is, he's been,
Speaker 1: He's making plays every week. What's he up to? Ten
Speaker 1: touchdowns or seven touchdowns and on pace for a thousand yards?
Speaker 1: But the Cardinals come on. The Cardinals are phenomenal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if wherever the ten touchdowns have come, it's
Speaker 1: not lately, because that offense is averaging less than thirteen
Speaker 1: points during a four game losing streak. And Greg's team
Speaker 1: coached by Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher has not had a
Speaker 1: winning season since two thousand and eight and not one
Speaker 1: of playoff games since two thousand three. This is the
Speaker 1: most teflon coach in the league. This guy keeps a
Speaker 1: job no matter what he produces six. The most amazing
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher stat is he has six winning seasons out
Speaker 1: of twenty one as a head coach. Started in in eights.
Speaker 1: But that's a that's a crazy that's a crazy. Mark. Uh,
Speaker 1: When you said you know they've ruined one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the league, I thought you meant Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn because I you know, I know he's been hurt
Speaker 1: but their defense. Don't worry about their defense. Well I
Speaker 1: do a little bit now. I mean they're not the
Speaker 1: dominant group that we were hoping for, at least not
Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Well, you're on the field for
Speaker 1: forty minutes a game, now, yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 1: I think it's just caved in. Nick Foles, by the way,
Speaker 1: will start this game. They announced that during the program,
Speaker 1: So there's some breaking news breaking during our pro While
Speaker 1: we were taking the fourth quarter interception that they threw
Speaker 1: back across the grain was one of the worst throws
Speaker 1: I've ever seen the quarterback attempt. We can move on
Speaker 1: because it's a bad game. But this is the worst
Speaker 1: spot for the Rams because the Cardinals almost lost last week,
Speaker 1: so I think they'll be on their guard and they
Speaker 1: already lost to the Rams, and it's a division game.
Speaker 1: I think they'll be ready to just they have popped
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that they were way better than
Speaker 1: in games this year on the road against the Rams
Speaker 1: that get get up for a NFC West team, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of times a year. I want to be
Speaker 1: shot if this is a close game. I do wonder
Speaker 1: one quick thing about the Cardinals because last year would
Speaker 1: happen along with the quarterback injuries, was the run game
Speaker 1: fell through the floor. And now Chris Johnson is out
Speaker 1: until what would be the Super Bowl maybe so he's
Speaker 1: not been playing well lately, but Ellington is he out
Speaker 1: turf toe. So today I just wonder if without the
Speaker 1: running game being as diverse as it was, if they're
Speaker 1: going to be challenged to be that offense that we've
Speaker 1: seen for I disagree with. I think losing Chris Johnson
Speaker 1: is a big loss. In combination with Ellington not being
Speaker 1: healthy that I think is a big problem. But now
Speaker 1: you have David Johnson, who you didn't trust to be
Speaker 1: your main guy now doing all three downs. I like it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to record as saying this big improvement. Ris
Speaker 1: Johnson was running as poorly as any back in the league.
Speaker 1: Over the last he did seem finished, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe it, but Connor took the rams.
Speaker 1: The rest of it is just going for it for something.
Speaker 1: Moving on, another early game, the Atlanta Falcons at Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Bucks. Oh, I don't want to do this game,
Speaker 1: Greg Well, I don't want to be the one watching
Speaker 1: the game. Well, it's tricky because there's more at morning games.
Speaker 1: Connor's only got one. I'm only I'm on the couch.
Speaker 1: Can I make a prediction? Greg will try to convince
Speaker 1: us that this is a big game in the NFC. No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to convince Dan. Any game right
Speaker 1: now with Jamis Winston and Doug Martin is watchable. I
Speaker 1: think Jamis Winston is one of the most watchable quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I have no response for what if you're nursing a hangover,
Speaker 1: you have to watch that red or orange and gray,
Speaker 1: you know what? That's troubling though about Winston, and he
Speaker 1: had four or five plays against the Colts in the
Speaker 1: first half. They were incredible. He has that thing where
Speaker 1: if he misses a throw, he misses by like ten yards.
Speaker 1: That's something that it's hard to fit. He got destroyed
Speaker 1: last week to the line fell apart in the second half.
Speaker 1: Connor or took the Falcons in this game. He's out
Speaker 1: of control. Kevin Patra, the league leader and Picks, also
Speaker 1: took the Falcons. That is also the fan consensus, so
Speaker 1: people still believe the Falcons can get it together. The
Speaker 1: rest of us like the Bucks at home. Moving on
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars are four and seven, another dispiriting loss
Speaker 1: for them last week. Now they travel to Tennessee to
Speaker 1: face the Titans the titoons um Mark Sessler, Uh, your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this game? Is there any reason to think
Speaker 1: that Jaguars are ever gonna hit find some level of
Speaker 1: consistency and make a run of it in their division? Well,
Speaker 1: they don't seem like a team that's gonna find consistency
Speaker 1: this year. But that's also very true of the Titans.
Speaker 1: So this one isn't for me. Another coin flip with
Speaker 1: with with Boardles, I think it's been up and down,
Speaker 1: and when when I look at Mariotia, like we've talked
Speaker 1: about a lot, there's not a lot around him, but
Speaker 1: I feel like he needs to have a good month
Speaker 1: to finish this season because this team, really they started
Speaker 1: out with so much promise and at this point they're
Speaker 1: gonna get the number one draft pick. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just there's a lot. It is good, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot for this team to to to do still, and
Speaker 1: I I don't know, I think that the jag wars
Speaker 1: of the team I'd rather have between the two roster wise,
Speaker 1: has anything changed in the two weeks since these two
Speaker 1: teams played each other, no other than finally they've taken
Speaker 1: the Jaguars off in the hunt. In the playoff picture.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not graphics. They are no longer in
Speaker 1: the hunt. It used to be it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: four team race, but these two teams just couldn't get
Speaker 1: it together. We also, we're not getting banged in a
Speaker 1: prime time matchup this time between the games one one
Speaker 1: Fantasy Uh note uh, you know over on the between
Speaker 1: two legends, of course, the founders of Rhodo World. Uh,
Speaker 1: the guys that really invented the fantasy game in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, at least in my eyes. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: marks also in the room right now. Uh. I believe
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas is going to be a difference maker in
Speaker 1: the Fantasy playoffs. Coming up ten catches last week and
Speaker 1: eleven targets over a hundred yards. I could see him, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, piling up some statistics down the stretch could be, uh,
Speaker 1: make a difference in some or is the best tight
Speaker 1: end in this game? To Lanny Walker? Manny Walker is
Speaker 1: really good. A lot of hot takes. That's a good
Speaker 1: that's a good tip though, Dan because they tell they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw the ball fourty times a game, they sure
Speaker 1: will take it. D because Julius Thomas is the tight
Speaker 1: end version of Eddie Lacey. You've put out good tape
Speaker 1: for three years. You're a good player. You just have
Speaker 1: to play your way into football shape after an injury.
Speaker 1: We we thank you, Wes. That means a lot to me.
Speaker 1: You have no idea. Um, we all took the Titans,
Speaker 1: which is surprising because the fan consensus on NFL dot
Speaker 1: com has Moving on, Let's talk about some late games. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Kansas City Chiefs Uh, one of the hottest teams
Speaker 1: in football, currently in position to qualify for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say that the Chiefs, along with
Speaker 1: the Texans, should be seen as favorites to get a
Speaker 1: playoff spot in that in that big pack of six win,
Speaker 1: five win teams. Uh. They now travel to Oakland in
Speaker 1: a huge game for the Raiders. Greg Rosenthal, you can
Speaker 1: almost say, Uh, this is it for the Raiders if
Speaker 1: they can't find a way to hold Serve at home.
Speaker 1: Hold Serve. You're a tennis fan. I thought you would
Speaker 1: like that. Uh. Your thoughts on this game of the
Speaker 1: Raider is gonna get some momentum and take it through December.
Speaker 1: Are they going to fade away? I think they'll fade away,
Speaker 1: which is too bad. I was hoping they would get
Speaker 1: to the Thursday night game they're on in Week sixteen
Speaker 1: as still relevant because they are fun to watch, but
Speaker 1: they're playing one of the best teams in football, the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Right now. On Football Outsiders, they have a metric called
Speaker 1: waited d v O Way that's basically just their regular
Speaker 1: who's the best team, but it's waited towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season. It's kind of gives up on the
Speaker 1: first month that by this point the number one team
Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, according just to their metrics,
Speaker 1: is the Kansas City best team in the league metrics
Speaker 1: to hell. I'm just I don't think they're the best
Speaker 1: team in the league, but I think they're one of
Speaker 1: them right now. I don't necessarily think it will continue,
Speaker 1: But how can you argue with what they've done. No
Speaker 1: team that has Alex Smith is his quarterback is the
Speaker 1: best team in the NFL. I'm sorry. Part of it
Speaker 1: is because they're very steady. They have them as the
Speaker 1: fifth offense, the sixth defense, and the sixth special member. Um,
Speaker 1: no weakness. You were you were doing fantasy when this happened.
Speaker 1: Remember the Sam Kan Sam Kangato year. Yeah? Sure. The
Speaker 1: Packers Spencer where reminds me a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be a good player next year,
Speaker 1: but he's fun to watch. He just runs north and south,
Speaker 1: doesn't cut, doesn't really do anything, and it seems like
Speaker 1: he gets six or seven yards every time. Not a
Speaker 1: medical student like Sam Kangata, but the stars of a
Speaker 1: line for what the for what the Chiefs want to
Speaker 1: do on offense, He's a good fit. He reminds me
Speaker 1: of good old Sam Kangata. Is it flukey? I mean,
Speaker 1: you look at their numbers since Jamal Charles went down
Speaker 1: and you got where and and west in there. They
Speaker 1: are so much better statistically post Jamal Charles. And they're
Speaker 1: also not turning the ball over at all. That also,
Speaker 1: they also their offensive line had a lot of questions earlier.
Speaker 1: I think it just whatever it was, their offense was
Speaker 1: not clicking and it came took a little time to
Speaker 1: come together. And I think they'll give the Raiders a
Speaker 1: ton of trouble on I think the Chiefs will score
Speaker 1: a lot of points. Little Bill simmons ewing theory. Is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying Mark with Jamal Charles. I think
Speaker 1: mentioned that with Charles before and it's just I just
Speaker 1: the whole team has come together. But they are. They
Speaker 1: are a team that is not turning the ball over
Speaker 1: and Alex Smith I couldn't agree more like I. I
Speaker 1: don't want them in the playoffs selfishly based on that alone.
Speaker 1: But Alex Smith is a mistake free quarterback and that's
Speaker 1: what Andy Reid want. There's three huge a f C
Speaker 1: games this week in terms of how the playoff race.
Speaker 1: A look the Bills game that we talked about with
Speaker 1: the Texans, the Colt Steelers in this one because if
Speaker 1: the Chiefs do lose this, it becomes more interesting because
Speaker 1: I think if they win it, they're just gonna start
Speaker 1: steam rolling. I know if you if you work for
Speaker 1: NFL network, you're not allowed to mention the name justin Houston.
Speaker 1: He doesn't exist. He can he can hold out forever
Speaker 1: or sign franchise tag and it won't be ever a story.
Speaker 1: But he's one of the best defensive players in the
Speaker 1: NFL and he's not playing, so that could be a
Speaker 1: big loss. It's a good point. We all took the
Speaker 1: Chiefs to win on the road. It could be a
Speaker 1: kiss of death there, all right, it is, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best times of the week. We haven't
Speaker 1: had this man in the STU deal for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, so it's almost like a homecoming, a reunion
Speaker 1: of sorts. He is, uh the host of Around the NFL,
Speaker 1: the television show on NFL Network. He is the great
Speaker 1: Andrew Ceciliano and man, I'm flattered to be back. Thank
Speaker 1: you for allowing me back on your Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast couch. After Michael Burger was here last week, I
Speaker 1: realized you only reached for the stars, and thankfully I'm
Speaker 1: appreciative your route. You reached for me. Well, it was
Speaker 1: still a great job. I'm sure he did. I mean
Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving week, you know, you started to getting
Speaker 1: the holiday spirit. Yeah, Burger on the show. Well, it
Speaker 1: was also an attempt to get on NFL network more so,
Speaker 1: you've got to You've gotta cover all bases. For those
Speaker 1: who don't know Michael Burger, the producer of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL television how would you, um, how would you
Speaker 1: explain your relationship with Burger, would you say it's a
Speaker 1: horrible relationship, strong relationship professional. We're very good friends, both
Speaker 1: both on and off the field. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's mildly dramatic. He is. That's what makes Burger good though.
Speaker 1: But then again, so am I yes, um alright, so
Speaker 1: Andrew is with us to talk football because Andrew knows
Speaker 1: his football. I always, uh, I always, you know, um.
Speaker 1: I I watch you on around the NFL and the
Speaker 1: way you're able to keep a show moving, you're pretty
Speaker 1: good at it. You're pretty good at your job, Thank you. Dan.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a setup, no script or anything.
Speaker 1: You're just kind of not winging it. You know it's
Speaker 1: gonna come up, but there's nothing written down. Really, You're
Speaker 1: just going off the top of your head. Scripts are boring.
Speaker 1: Teleprompters are boring. Um, but you don't like having a
Speaker 1: car brother in there with you because it takes some
Speaker 1: of your spotlight. And oh no, I like working with
Speaker 1: David Carr. And by the way, the the whole note
Speaker 1: teleprompter thing. I am assisted by our great NFL network
Speaker 1: research staff. Today, law Murray doing the honors on the
Speaker 1: ones and two is usually Aubrey Craigan shout out a professional.
Speaker 1: I know the two of them listen to this show,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna appreciate it. Really does shout out. Alright,
Speaker 1: good guys. All right, let's start talking some football games,
Speaker 1: and we'll start, uh, continue to dig through these four
Speaker 1: PM games. The Denver Broncos coming off one of the
Speaker 1: biggest wins and a recent franchise history for them, a
Speaker 1: big win over the previously undefeated Patriots with Broncos Widler.
Speaker 1: Now they had to San Diego to face the Chargers,
Speaker 1: team that finally got back in the win column this
Speaker 1: past Sunday um beating the Jaguars. They had lost sixth
Speaker 1: straight before that. But Andrew, we'll start with you here.
Speaker 1: The Broncos are you know, I would assume even on
Speaker 1: the road their favorites here. But the Chargers are a
Speaker 1: bad team, but not conventionally bad because they still have
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback. This could be a game, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it is, And I know this
Speaker 1: sounds odd, and it sounded odd even with you setting
Speaker 1: it up there. Thank you, no fault of your own.
Speaker 1: Eight score points. He throws for three hundred every week.
Speaker 1: It seems he being Philip. I don't know that they
Speaker 1: do that against this Denver offense or Denver defense. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but it is a road game. They had an emotional
Speaker 1: output the Broncos did last week, and they're feeling good
Speaker 1: about them. Else. I do agree with you. It's closer
Speaker 1: than I think many people would would forecast. But I
Speaker 1: don't I don't see San Diego winning this game unless
Speaker 1: it's a shoot at And if the Broncos defense has
Speaker 1: a bad day, which is possible, and Philip puts up
Speaker 1: his yardage and maybe gets three touchdowns out of this,
Speaker 1: then it turns into a really interesting task or test
Speaker 1: for brock Oswiler to see if he can hang with
Speaker 1: a team that could score even with all their injuries
Speaker 1: on the road. I'm picking the Charges to win this game,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not because I think they're better. When
Speaker 1: you pick upsets, you also you often have to go
Speaker 1: with a gut feeling. This is a let down type
Speaker 1: of game for the Broncos, who we're lucky, very lucky
Speaker 1: to get by a beat up Patriots team, and their defense,
Speaker 1: which everyone out of Habit calls the best in the league,
Speaker 1: has given up an average of twenty four points over
Speaker 1: the past month, which is hardly elite. Philip Rivers got
Speaker 1: all of his weapons about last week except for Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: and you saw what he did for touch downs yards.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess the Chargers are scoring game? What are they?
Speaker 1: Anybody anybody got that at the Look it up for
Speaker 1: you in a second. Um, what's the situation with DeMarcus game?
Speaker 1: His absence has to surely be playing a role in
Speaker 1: Denver's defense kind of becoming more regular as opposed to
Speaker 1: when they were playing at a high level earlier in
Speaker 1: the season. I mean, he practiced this week, didn't he
Speaker 1: return to practice? Looks like he'll play, which which is huge.
Speaker 1: And you're right, you would have expected that Broncos defense
Speaker 1: to really dominate the Patriots offense. I know Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in football right now, but they
Speaker 1: haven't been as special really over the last month. And
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's just where and maybe it's just natural
Speaker 1: they couldn't keep that pace up because they were at
Speaker 1: a historic pace. This is a fascinating game to me
Speaker 1: because brock Osweiler has improved dramatically each time he's been
Speaker 1: on the field. I count that first game against the
Speaker 1: Chiefs where he didn't really play very well. The next
Speaker 1: game he was just kind of there, and then I
Speaker 1: think he was a huge part of why they won
Speaker 1: a week ago. So is this Broncos team gonna be
Speaker 1: dominant enough with Bronco Asswalder that they just trash lower
Speaker 1: rated teams like the Charge? And I think that's a
Speaker 1: great matchup for Osweiler and their offense because they're running
Speaker 1: the ball almost twice as much in terms of yard
Speaker 1: just before. San Diego's run defense is worse than Cleveland's.
Speaker 1: It's awful. And so this is a good matchup for
Speaker 1: this team. It's it is possible, It is possible. But
Speaker 1: I mean they're an under center team now, they're not
Speaker 1: a shotgun team. They run the ball in Osweidler seems
Speaker 1: to be what they want, and so I like the matchup.
Speaker 1: Andrew final word to you. The one thing I would
Speaker 1: say is this, despite you know, we we kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to uh cut down the Broncos defense to size
Speaker 1: a bit, they still did get to Tom Brady thirteen times,
Speaker 1: hit him thirteen times last week. Even I realized the
Speaker 1: Patriots have a very banked up offensive line. But you
Speaker 1: want to see another banged up offensive line. Look at
Speaker 1: the Chargers where they introduced themselves to each other every
Speaker 1: week and um exchange phone numbers because they've never met before.
Speaker 1: Where they go out there and play, uh this game,
Speaker 1: Bowl West. You thought you might get a hero pick
Speaker 1: out of this Connor or the Renegade of around. There's
Speaker 1: no such thing as a hero pick anymore because the
Speaker 1: renegade always picks under. What's a hero pick? Just I'm
Speaker 1: the only one doing it? Yes, um so uh both
Speaker 1: of the you gentlemen picked the Chargers, the rest picked
Speaker 1: the Broncos. U. Moving on, Okay, we just talked about
Speaker 1: the Patriots. They will play a four game against the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, and I think you know this game is
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer because back in September this you
Speaker 1: would have looked at this game and been like, oh,
Speaker 1: this this one could be saucy, back when there was
Speaker 1: a lot of hope in the building in Philadelphia. But
Speaker 1: now the Eagles seemed to be going down in flames.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you know those Chip Kelly haters out
Speaker 1: there enjoying it. I don't know you know who those
Speaker 1: people are. But the genius might be getting his come up,
Speaker 1: come up, and and I'll say this, Greg Rosenthal. My
Speaker 1: fantasy team has Tom Brady on it, and NFL dot
Speaker 1: Com is projecting that he scores forty three points this week.
Speaker 1: It's I'm sorry, I don't know how where these years
Speaker 1: are coming from, but they're predicting a big game for Brady.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll be that big, but I think
Speaker 1: the Patriots are rolling here like you better pick up
Speaker 1: Scott Chandler and Brandon Lafel. That's that's who he's throwing
Speaker 1: up too. And I know this Eagles defensive struggled the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. They did get the long rest
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, Chip Kelly talking about kind of going back
Speaker 1: into into the lab and trying to simplify things incorrect.
Speaker 1: I don't. As a Patriots fan, I was very excited
Speaker 1: to see this magic because they're they're hurting right now
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. And to get a
Speaker 1: team that's struggling like the Eagles. I still don't discount
Speaker 1: the Eagles though, from putting up a good performance. Why
Speaker 1: not ninety points? I'll tell you why. They've given up
Speaker 1: ninety points the last two weeks to the Bucks and
Speaker 1: the Lions. It's good reason and Brady's coming off what
Speaker 1: I think you could argue is his defining game of
Speaker 1: the year. Even though they lost the game. To me,
Speaker 1: that made the best case for him as the m
Speaker 1: v P this year to be out there against that
Speaker 1: Broncos team and move the ball as well as he
Speaker 1: did with really nothing around them. I at least thought, like,
Speaker 1: what other quarterback are you gonna put in that situation
Speaker 1: that's gonna come up with that good of a result.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think there is one now.
Speaker 1: I don't think not when you consider they've allowed ten
Speaker 1: touchdown passes to Jamis Winston and Matthew Stafford combined the
Speaker 1: last two weeks, and they don't know who's going to
Speaker 1: start at quarterback. Let's pretend for a second at Sam Bradford.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything before he got hurt from Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford that tells me he's he's going to be much
Speaker 1: of a challenge here for Bill Belichick. UM, I think
Speaker 1: this game could get ugly. I think that's the easy answer,
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, a few things are more um
Speaker 1: dangerous for a few things. I would rather face a
Speaker 1: lot of things than a Tom Brady when he's angry,
Speaker 1: right angry. And also how about yeah, historically what happens
Speaker 1: when a middling team goes into Foxboro in December. This
Speaker 1: is when the Patriots beat up or not, uh, take
Speaker 1: care of business in their building. I would be very
Speaker 1: surprised if this was a close. Well, this game reminds
Speaker 1: me of It's another opportunity to see how far Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly's star has fallen. Because in two thousand twelve, remember
Speaker 1: it was the Patriots that had Hip Kelly come in
Speaker 1: and teach him their offense and they went out and proceeded.
Speaker 1: Is one of their many offenses they ran that year
Speaker 1: to run a billion plays against the Denver Broncos and
Speaker 1: beat them. And now the Patriots with Josh McDaniels have
Speaker 1: evolved and moved on from that is their only base
Speaker 1: attack where Chip Kelly is not. And so I see
Speaker 1: a game where New England smacks this team, and it's
Speaker 1: another reminder that Chip Kelly's offense is not what we
Speaker 1: thought it was a couple of years ago. Greg, you
Speaker 1: worried about Lagart Blount at all? I'm worried, no, because
Speaker 1: he's a limited player. I don't expect I think He's
Speaker 1: a fine player, but he's a function of the offensive
Speaker 1: line and they can't rely on him too much. I'm
Speaker 1: more worried about the other guys, Brandon Bold and James White,
Speaker 1: getting them into the mix. I think we know what
Speaker 1: Lagarrett Blunt is. We have the Patriots across the board
Speaker 1: in that game, gentlemen could get Jamie Collins, don'te Hightower
Speaker 1: and Dani Mondola back, it's possible and maybe find out
Speaker 1: what what it was at filled Jamie Collins secret. Uh.
Speaker 1: Moving on, let's talk a little under feeded action here.
Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers are eleven and oh as we enter December,
Speaker 1: and now they get the New Orleans Saints. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: once upon a time going into the Superdome was a
Speaker 1: quite a task against Dew Brees and uh Sean Payton.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is not quite that way anymore, Andrew Siciliano.
Speaker 1: The Panthers take care of business all season, as the
Speaker 1: record indicates. What tells us that it's not gonna happen
Speaker 1: again here trap game. I think they're gonna win, But
Speaker 1: I also I also think that after Sean Payton and
Speaker 1: Drew Brees were embarrassed, I think last week I think
Speaker 1: that's fair to say on the road in Houston. I
Speaker 1: think they get or they give one of their better
Speaker 1: efforts of the year. I don't know what they have left,
Speaker 1: but I do think that whatever it is, we see
Speaker 1: it this week against the division foe, against a team
Speaker 1: that won the division with such a poor record as
Speaker 1: it did a year ago. Um, I think you're if
Speaker 1: we tweet out Andrew Siciliano Colon Panthers are fraudulent. Ready
Speaker 1: to never said that, but that's how you know. I
Speaker 1: will say this. Had a conversation with Thomas Davis Cross
Speaker 1: Promotion here on the around the NFL week and he
Speaker 1: said all the right things, but I asked him point blank,
Speaker 1: I said, what was your reaction? What was it like
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch Sunday night watching the Patriots lose?
Speaker 1: And he said it was quote bitter sweet because, in
Speaker 1: his words, he wanted to have two undefeated teams in
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That would have been a fantastic matchup.
Speaker 1: And I said, it still could be a fantastic matchup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, because you guys can both still
Speaker 1: get there. But um he I give him credit. He
Speaker 1: is the one guy in that locker room that is
Speaker 1: willing to talk big picture, where everyone else we're not
Speaker 1: talking about the record. We are week to week. We
Speaker 1: are game to game. We are riding the cliches. We
Speaker 1: are just like our coach. He is willing to admit
Speaker 1: that he is human, and they are thinking big picture,
Speaker 1: don't we. It seems like every week we come up
Speaker 1: with a trap game or some other reason to think
Speaker 1: the Panthers could possibly lose to a team that is
Speaker 1: much much weaker than they are. And last week we
Speaker 1: tried this with the Cowboys and it was Panthers smacked
Speaker 1: him down. The Saints got beaten around by the Texans
Speaker 1: defense that I believe is the best in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now. The Panthers are right behind them. Though. I
Speaker 1: think the Panthers in the number two defense in the
Speaker 1: NFL and they have stars at every position. I just
Speaker 1: don't see the Saints getting back on track this week.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean, the Panthers haven't turned the
Speaker 1: ball over in three games, and the Saints that their
Speaker 1: offense is falling apart, and they're oh and six when
Speaker 1: they score less than twenty five points. That's how bad
Speaker 1: this defense defense is historically and comically bad. So we
Speaker 1: can't even blame Rob Bryan, and we try to come
Speaker 1: up with a reason to believe that the Saints are
Speaker 1: halfway decent every week. This is a team that's lost
Speaker 1: in consecutive weeks to the Titans, to the Redskins by
Speaker 1: more than thirty points and weren't remotely competitive in Houston.
Speaker 1: Right now, they can't. I didn't think Drew Brees could
Speaker 1: do a lot last week. I mean, they can't go.
Speaker 1: They could not protect him up the middle at all
Speaker 1: against Houston. It wasn't just J. J. Watt. And now
Speaker 1: you've got Kwan Short, you got loads Lee, you got
Speaker 1: that that rush. I mean, I think they'll get after
Speaker 1: Charles Johnson coming back. That would be big. Did anyone
Speaker 1: hear the JJ Watt wired where he he said, will
Speaker 1: you please please help Drew Brees? I like him, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hit him this much. Well, at one
Speaker 1: point he was waving at the huddle, the Saints huddle,
Speaker 1: saying I'm coming to get you, and on the next
Speaker 1: play got right in the backfield and dropped a hammer. Well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned west the play where they bring over to
Speaker 1: Ron arms Armstead, who's a Pro Bowl level tackle put
Speaker 1: him next to your right tackle, so having two tackles
Speaker 1: matched up next to each other just to try to
Speaker 1: stop JJ Wat. And it didn't work. I have never
Speaker 1: seen a team move their left tackle next to the
Speaker 1: right tackle to stop a pass rusher. Have you? I've
Speaker 1: never seen that, and I did. I wasn't even where
Speaker 1: they did that. They did that, and Wat split him
Speaker 1: for a second. That's unbelievable. Not a trap game, bab Is.
Speaker 1: They're gonna win this game, right, No, Connor or the renegade,
Speaker 1: says the Saints knockoff. Just a professional. Well, he's in
Speaker 1: last place he would he would be, Actually, No, Greg
Speaker 1: is the professional contrarian of around the NFL. Connor is
Speaker 1: just he's a bad boy. He's a wild card. I'm
Speaker 1: not a professional contrarian. I would never pick against about that.
Speaker 1: You're an unprofessional contrarian. All right, you've got me, You've
Speaker 1: caught me. All right, So, man Connor, who's the last
Speaker 1: place in the picks. He's got to make a move.
Speaker 1: I guess this could be seen as a desperate act
Speaker 1: move going desperate. Hexton's Week one. I know he's an
Speaker 1: interesting character. We love him or you kidding me? Was
Speaker 1: a huge hit. Got a lot of good quarterback on
Speaker 1: Twitter this week. Okay, before Andrew goes, I do want
Speaker 1: to touch base with a tweet. Uh Andrew sent out
Speaker 1: on December one, which would I guess would be Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I'm fearful of this. What is syneak? Can I just
Speaker 1: have a little hello? Damn at Adele? He made sure
Speaker 1: he put at. Maybe she'll reply. I cannot get that
Speaker 1: song out of my head. And I assume it's this song. Yes,
Speaker 1: it is, alright, this song out of my head. And
Speaker 1: let me explain why. When I was home for Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: my three year old niece loves this song. And if
Speaker 1: I were to post the video of my three year
Speaker 1: old niece singing and dancing to the song, he would
Speaker 1: go viral and she'd be on Good Morning America. All right,
Speaker 1: it's she's three years old and she's doing this interpretive
Speaker 1: dance around the house. And you know three year olds,
Speaker 1: You guys, you have kids, right, they speak, but not
Speaker 1: that much, right, I mean they speak when they want
Speaker 1: to speak, and sometimes it's gibberish. She knows the lyrics
Speaker 1: and she's three, and there's no idea what they mean.
Speaker 1: The Adele thing too like The Adele thing too, is
Speaker 1: funny because all their songs are about heartbreak and sayd
Speaker 1: this and breakups. And there's like a three year old
Speaker 1: singing the song belt right and she it's awesome. And
Speaker 1: then she's just dancing into and it's it's almost like
Speaker 1: she gets into trance. Anybody could take out their phone
Speaker 1: and pull up music and play the song and she'll
Speaker 1: freeze and all of a sudden start dancing and singing.
Speaker 1: And so when I was home for Thanksgiving, I heard
Speaker 1: it about three or four times, and then my brother
Speaker 1: gave it to me on video. I showed it to
Speaker 1: my grandmother, who couldn't be there, and then she laughed,
Speaker 1: and then it got passed around and so now I
Speaker 1: cannot get This is a bit of a deft move
Speaker 1: here by Andrew though, because he's saying, oh, it's about
Speaker 1: my like it is and no, but you also liked
Speaker 1: the song and probably in in the car with the
Speaker 1: windows up might be belting out thinking about somebody that
Speaker 1: got away, yes or no, that's what I was, that's
Speaker 1: what she's open. How could you not think of? And
Speaker 1: that is the there's no one specific necessarily, but that
Speaker 1: is the sign of a true artist. Right, she owns
Speaker 1: that corner? Who owns that corner? And there? Right, it's
Speaker 1: like that old adage. No, I know what all those
Speaker 1: lyrics are about. Well, I mean she every one of
Speaker 1: her songs is like that. And how many times has
Speaker 1: this woman had her heartbroken? I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times she milk having her heartbroken? Seven years old? I
Speaker 1: think it's the same guy too that she's singing about,
Speaker 1: which makes you gotta be thankful for that relationship. Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift as well. Well, those are all different guys, Um West,
Speaker 1: good job, look at you plug Taylor Smith. All right.
Speaker 1: Andrew Ceciliano. He is the host of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL television program Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday at three
Speaker 1: pm Eastern. On Thursday six pm Eastern, Sorry about that,
Speaker 1: uh three hour show beginning at two pm Eastern on
Speaker 1: Thursdays ahead of Thursday Night football. Andrew getting that car
Speaker 1: cranks some Modell and connect with the best. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a video that I could take and then maybe
Speaker 1: tweet out, yeah yeah that a Dell song. Um, guys,
Speaker 1: uh it did? It? Does get me thinking about the
Speaker 1: announcement that was made at halftime of the Thursday and
Speaker 1: night football game that the band cold Play will be
Speaker 1: one of the halftime acts for Super Bowl fifty. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that, Craig, Oh, you're coming to me, Well,
Speaker 1: he cold Played to me, it's hard to get too
Speaker 1: excited about. I feel like they're like the Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: They're they're like the Dalton scale of Dalton came out
Speaker 1: today and said he's a big cool Play fans, which
Speaker 1: makes it probably why it was in my head. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate I'm not gonna hate cold I
Speaker 1: think Cold Blake gets beat up on a little more
Speaker 1: than they should. Like this could have been trained uh
Speaker 1: playing five hipsters like hipster's like to have a lot
Speaker 1: of hot takes on could have been they did not.
Speaker 1: They did not engender any kind of hot take one
Speaker 1: where but they don't what do they engender? They have
Speaker 1: nice little elevator music, like it's not offensive exactly everybody agreeable.
Speaker 1: But because if something that popular just for being milk toast,
Speaker 1: just for being like boring, those are the types of
Speaker 1: movies you don't like, right, But that's also I would
Speaker 1: not equate cold Play to a bad movie. That's also
Speaker 1: a criticism that that's where I think they get a
Speaker 1: little too much, too many shots. I think they if
Speaker 1: you listen to their early work and their later work,
Speaker 1: they have they have evolved as a band. I think
Speaker 1: they have a little unfair And we brought up I
Speaker 1: do I like cold Play. My wife loves cold Play.
Speaker 1: She would leave me for Chris Martin. Um, Sydney, can
Speaker 1: you he's available? He helped me out. Um it did
Speaker 1: with the adele and the breakup music. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to share a quick cold Play story from mid twenties Dan,
Speaker 1: a sad period of my life. Um where this song,
Speaker 1: this song? We went to a cold Play concert on
Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore and me and like a bunch of
Speaker 1: my friends and and uh, a bunch of bros. Now
Speaker 1: there there were some women there too. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: West's a trip out down to the casino whatever that was.
Speaker 1: And it was a bunch of you don't have guide
Speaker 1: trips now we do? We do anyway, So this was
Speaker 1: at the Jersey Shore. We went to see them at
Speaker 1: one of those outdoor pavilions. And um, I had recently
Speaker 1: been through a breakup with my college girlfriend. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is a different woman. And uh, in the breakup.
Speaker 1: I had not gotten over West can I tell the story.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Cara either, I had not gotten over the relationship.
Speaker 1: My good friend Bob, who's a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: had also been part of a breakup, and we ended
Speaker 1: up sitting next to each other at the show. We
Speaker 1: got separated, and uh, this song came on, and uh,
Speaker 1: both Bob and I kind of just like watched the song,
Speaker 1: watched the stage and both had like a moment where
Speaker 1: we didn't say anything to each other, but we both
Speaker 1: knew we were profoundly sad at the same time about
Speaker 1: our personal lives. And old play brought that out. So
Speaker 1: little appreciate something you should you should get credit for
Speaker 1: that sounds horrible. It's a human moment. It was human,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I always want to hear that song.
Speaker 1: I think of being sad at the at Homedale, New
Speaker 1: Jersey's outdoor theater. Uh with that song on, thinking of
Speaker 1: my college girlfriend. I just like that. I'm going to
Speaker 1: be in the same stadium as Apple Paltrow. I don't
Speaker 1: think why would she be there? It's his child, not
Speaker 1: gonna be Probably Paltrow is probably not the last name
Speaker 1: of the child. That's the unfortunate thing about you know, breakups.
Speaker 1: They the dynamic is a little different. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the kid's gonna be there. I would bring Apple
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. How many times is this gonna
Speaker 1: happen for Coldplay? Probably this will probably be the only time.
Speaker 1: So there's my cold Play story. Could have been seriously,
Speaker 1: could have been Maroon five, and then we would have
Speaker 1: had a realize. I thought I just figured number fifty
Speaker 1: that it somehow would be more excited. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there are more acts to come. I will say what
Speaker 1: people this This was earlier the day it broke that
Speaker 1: Coldplay was the halftime act of super Bowl fifty. This
Speaker 1: will be a different type of show where there's gonna
Speaker 1: be other big time ax associated so it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be only called cold Play gets some hate because of
Speaker 1: how they came into the scene at a time when
Speaker 1: white Stripes and radio Head were kind of dominated, and
Speaker 1: then it was like Coldplay was like the radio or
Speaker 1: Radiohead replacement, and they're gonna suffer by comparison, and everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna like that's that's that's Radiohead. And then they their
Speaker 1: sound got a little more grandiose, and they got labels
Speaker 1: a kind of a YouTube knockoff. They never really established
Speaker 1: their own. They were also they came of age with
Speaker 1: Travis Mark or one of the UK Vans, and they
Speaker 1: were Originally Travis was seen as a band that Coldplay.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing a rumor that ten thousand Maniacs maybe the
Speaker 1: past hit. Oh really yeah? What about Emmy Lou Harris, No,
Speaker 1: she should not. Not a ground swell amount support for
Speaker 1: that beyond what Lucinda Williams I would love. This would
Speaker 1: be a great one. But Greg, you're concerned about whether
Speaker 1: cold Play is good at music or not, and that
Speaker 1: is no bearing on the Super Bowl halftime show, which
Speaker 1: is all about arm It's not about music. We'll put
Speaker 1: Chris Wessling knocks another one out of the park. Let's
Speaker 1: move on and talk a little prime time football. Sunday
Speaker 1: Night football. The Indianapolis Colts and Matt Hasselbeck, who is
Speaker 1: of course four and o now as starter with Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck sidelined, head to Pittsburgh to face the Steelers. Nice
Speaker 1: little match up here. The Colts of one three in
Speaker 1: a row. Now they're over five hundred, tied for first
Speaker 1: in the a f C South Um and they will
Speaker 1: face the Steelers team that is also six and five
Speaker 1: and looking to uh, you know, really establish itself as
Speaker 1: a favorite to get a wild card spot. Love this matchup,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, who do you think is a favorite? Is
Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh Steelers a clear favorite in this game? Where
Speaker 1: can't you discount the forty year old Hasselbeck. I would
Speaker 1: much rather hitch my wagon to Pittsburgh for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season because I despite Levi on Bell being
Speaker 1: out the lineup when they are hot this these two
Speaker 1: teams played that one of the best games of the
Speaker 1: year last season, and the Pittsburgh air attack can be
Speaker 1: that same kind of offense, and that's the kind of
Speaker 1: team you want to get into the playoffs with. Where honestly,
Speaker 1: it's disturbing to watch Matt Hasselback be the guy that
Speaker 1: finally gets some of the receivers going, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be out of the lineup at some point anyways, I
Speaker 1: would I just think the Steelers are one of these
Speaker 1: teams with Ben Roethlisberger, if he's healthy, that has a ceiling.
Speaker 1: We don't know. West. Do you think it's fair to
Speaker 1: say that the Steelers aren't getting enough credit for how
Speaker 1: well they've moved on from Levy on Bell, who's such
Speaker 1: an important player, arguably the best running back in football
Speaker 1: when healthy. Yeah, I think that's fair. First of all,
Speaker 1: as Greg pointed out in this week's Quarterback Index, the
Speaker 1: offensive line isn't missed a beat with that, with losing
Speaker 1: Marcus Pouncey and uh their left tackle, they haven't missed
Speaker 1: a beat. They've been great. And D'angela Williams has the
Speaker 1: exact same stats is Levan Bell with two fewer care
Speaker 1: or two more carries this year, same yards per carry.
Speaker 1: And Ben Roethlisberger. I mean this, this offense is too
Speaker 1: much firepower for the for the Colts. Hasselbeck can't. He's
Speaker 1: a game manager. He's not gonna keep up with Big
Speaker 1: Ben in this game. D'Angelo Willen is one of the
Speaker 1: best running backs in the league, I mean, one of
Speaker 1: the best seven or eight. This year, he looks as
Speaker 1: good as he ever has. I've really been impressed. He
Speaker 1: breaks tackles, he's wildly patient just wait. It's very similar
Speaker 1: to Bell waiting. I mean, he's just it's insane. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he's just standing there and you're and you're thinking, like
Speaker 1: you gotta go man. But that's how good the offensive
Speaker 1: line is, and that's how you are watching bet On
Speaker 1: Bell to just like go and then he does and
Speaker 1: it all works out. I think West of the Nail
Speaker 1: on the head there because I think the Steelers are
Speaker 1: gonna score points in this game. There's no way they don't.
Speaker 1: And the culture winning these games, you know, they're like
Speaker 1: twenty to fourteen type wins. Uh, they are not going
Speaker 1: to be able to win a game when the other
Speaker 1: teams scoring close to thirty points. I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a game where the Steelers are gonna cruise potentially.
Speaker 1: I think it's the game of the week. I do
Speaker 1: think it will be competitive game of the week. It's
Speaker 1: the game I'm most excited to watch once again. Uh
Speaker 1: whatever NBC paid for Sunday Night Football, I mean, they
Speaker 1: just gotta They just gotta send and you know, like
Speaker 1: trash talking emails to ESPN every once in a while,
Speaker 1: like with this lousy Monday Nights slate and then that's true,
Speaker 1: that's true the next the next few weeks are ugly
Speaker 1: on ESPN. I'm just saying they get great games every week.
Speaker 1: I do think the Colts have shown a little something.
Speaker 1: They're they're very feisty. Hasslebeck played a terrific game last week,
Speaker 1: and he's so calm in the pocket. He's directing traffic
Speaker 1: in the middle of the place. He's having fun. He's like,
Speaker 1: this is the end for But he looks very once again,
Speaker 1: I'll say, and I really think Andrew Luck can learn
Speaker 1: has learned, just probably from watching how he's operated, kind
Speaker 1: of like D'Angel wounds. There was one play last week
Speaker 1: where Hasslebeck's back there in the pocket pointing around, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, what other quarterback really does that in
Speaker 1: the middle of a play that he's that I'm in
Speaker 1: the moment that the guy on the other side of
Speaker 1: the field does it. Ben Roethlisberger does that. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's the best quarterback in the league, but
Speaker 1: I know there are times when you watch for Quarterback
Speaker 1: Index that you have to sit there and watch Big
Speaker 1: Ben and say, who's better than this guy? I think
Speaker 1: per I think he has more big good plays than
Speaker 1: any quarterback in the league this year. I think if
Speaker 1: he had played every game, he'd be in the NV
Speaker 1: His performance against the Seahawks last week. You look at
Speaker 1: the box score and two interceptions. The one Richard Sherman
Speaker 1: got away with past interference and the second one Big
Speaker 1: Ben tried to hold his throw and it just escaped
Speaker 1: his hand. But it was almost a flawless if the
Speaker 1: yards ripped away on the stupid catch rule with Wheaton. Uh,
Speaker 1: every he's nobody bombs the ball like he's Roseby almost
Speaker 1: like I never saw him play, obviously, But when you
Speaker 1: watch Joe Namath highlights like every you know, he dropped
Speaker 1: back and just unleashes these shots, you know. And and and
Speaker 1: that's what Ben Roethlisberger has become, this guy that just
Speaker 1: goes downfield all the time. They're almost a mirror image
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals, except the Cardinals have a much better secondary.
Speaker 1: We all took the Steelers to win this game and
Speaker 1: moved to seven and five. Uh, they certainly feel like
Speaker 1: a heavy favorite to take that wild card spot. We'll
Speaker 1: see if they take care of business, which takes us
Speaker 1: to Monday night. Who get um listen to get an
Speaker 1: n FFC East game, which on paper probably looked pretty
Speaker 1: decent in the summer. Well, you got an NFC East
Speaker 1: leading Redskins team. The bad news is that they're five
Speaker 1: and six. They're facing the Cowboys who are uh d
Speaker 1: e D dead with Matt Castle at quarterback, Tony Romo
Speaker 1: refractured is clavical, of course, and Thanksgiving, so the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are out of the mix of three and eight. The
Speaker 1: Redskins gotta take care of business here. Uh West, you
Speaker 1: are the leading Redskins supporter in this room. If you
Speaker 1: do not take care of business against the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: cannot take you seriously. Any concerns that they could be
Speaker 1: flat in this game, no concerns at all, and from
Speaker 1: no one. They go by the name the lowsome Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Once again they do something incredibly loathsome. They're not putting
Speaker 1: Tony Romo and I are because they need him back
Speaker 1: for the playoffs. Give me a brain. Why is that?
Speaker 1: Because everything out of stupid man, everything out of that
Speaker 1: city is delusional. It's just absolutely delusional. Rainbows and ponies.
Speaker 1: Give me a break. How about the speaking of delusional
Speaker 1: that I have a tweet pulled up here the Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy Winter Code giveaway coming up on December nine, team
Speaker 1: at Walmart in the Greater Dallas area. I think that's
Speaker 1: not buying it. Greg Hardy's Camp Winter Cooky Redskins are
Speaker 1: one of these teams that are are so much better
Speaker 1: at home. And Kirk Cousins, what last five games? Only
Speaker 1: two picks? I know that he goes back and forth
Speaker 1: and Soda Soda the Redskins, but at home, I'd be
Speaker 1: surprised that they don't win this pretty easily. They haven't
Speaker 1: played any good teams at home, and they played a
Speaker 1: lot of good teams in the road, which they the
Speaker 1: Rams at home when you were calling them the best
Speaker 1: team in the NFL. And here's another team that's not
Speaker 1: good that they're about in the NFL like a surefire
Speaker 1: playoff team when they beat them. Wow, we none of
Speaker 1: us had the Bengals in the playoffs. None of us
Speaker 1: had a lot of things. We thought the Rams were
Speaker 1: really good. Four three different teams that are literally in
Speaker 1: the playoffs now with five weeks left in the season.
Speaker 1: You know, predictions go wrong. I have the Vikings in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. There we go. I'm not here the whole way.
Speaker 1: You're just saying the Rams were good when they beat him.
Speaker 1: Here the home wins for Washington this season. Uh, Buccaneers, Saints, Giants.
Speaker 1: Who's a good team. I think the Bucks are an
Speaker 1: interesting team. They weren't and they weren't that early in
Speaker 1: the year though. The Saints and the Giants, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not terrible too. I don't know all those teams
Speaker 1: are better than the Cowboys. I agree with that at
Speaker 1: this point. Cowboys are done. God take care of business. West,
Speaker 1: be a rough Sunday night for you. And again, I
Speaker 1: don't think the Redskins are too good. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Redskins are good. The rest of that division stinks,
Speaker 1: and they've been the best team all along, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're They're not remotely competitive when they play good teams.
Speaker 1: Cousins isn't really that up and down at this point,
Speaker 1: which is which is good for that team. He like
Speaker 1: the team is up and down, but he's just kind
Speaker 1: of a function of everyone around him. Yes, so we
Speaker 1: all took the Redskins in that game. A lot of
Speaker 1: these across the board, which historically we get whacked on,
Speaker 1: so something could happen. I still cannot believe we all
Speaker 1: took the Browns. That's outrageous. All Right, that's it for
Speaker 1: another week of UH prognostication and previewing and mirth and
Speaker 1: UH cold play talk on Around the NFL podcast. We'll
Speaker 1: be back, of course, on Sunday night with our flagship show,
Speaker 1: which you can check out on YouTube and NFL Now.
Speaker 1: And speaking of NFL Now, we we were up in
Speaker 1: the studio all week. We're always recording content up here, uh,
Speaker 1: putting that up on on the video on YouTube. So
Speaker 1: we have that that playlist which you can get around
Speaker 1: the NFL players if you go to our Twitter page.
Speaker 1: The link is right there if you want to check
Speaker 1: out some of the stuff we're doing a video like
Speaker 1: the shirts that Mark wears. West is wearing a nice
Speaker 1: form fitting Henley long sleeve T shirt today with a
Speaker 1: Holy Cow Barbecue a local barbecue joint hat. Uh. Very fetching. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we will be back on Sunday night, so make
Speaker 1: sure you tune in. Thank you for everyone, Thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone for listening. Thank you to ANDREWS Ciciliano. That's it.
Speaker 1: This is Dan hand A signing off for Quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: the Mailman, the Boss La Side behind the Glass until
Speaker 1: Sunday m