Speaker 1: It's Ingram blowing ahead and fighting for it, and that's
Speaker 1: a touchdown. The Saints have the black and they have
Speaker 1: the touchdown. Bryan still't hassle good playing fast for the touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Here's Coleman comes out. The Saints pounce on it for
Speaker 1: the recovery, and again the boss on the ground and
Speaker 1: they signaled Saint football, so over the top, wide open
Speaker 1: from the touchdown to Watson. Take all right out of
Speaker 1: my hands, Ryan, and add'll just bring us one step
Speaker 1: to the end and what will forever be known as
Speaker 1: the Ben Watson Game. The Saints have knocked the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons from the ranks of the undefeated thirty one twenty
Speaker 1: one on Thursday Night. This is Greg Rosenthal. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here with Chris Westling. We're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: Thursday night game and then send it to the rest
Speaker 1: of the crew. Dan hansis Mark Sessler, of course, and
Speaker 1: we'll preview all of the Week six games, but let's
Speaker 1: start with this one. West How surprised were you, uh
Speaker 1: to see this Saint's offense kind of looking like the
Speaker 1: Saints offense again in the second half. Yeah, Well, they
Speaker 1: were given a lot of prime field position to with
Speaker 1: the You know, I when I think of this game,
Speaker 1: the luck factor even out for the Falcons. They were
Speaker 1: first team in NFL history to be losing in four
Speaker 1: or five games in the fourth quarter during the five
Speaker 1: and oh start, so that was incredibly lucky. This was
Speaker 1: incredibly unlucky. To have the unforced air of Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: hitting his fullback and fumbling, the center hitting his own
Speaker 1: leg on a shock. I don't know if that's bad luck.
Speaker 1: That's just bad football. That's bad play, that's unforced. There's
Speaker 1: it's luck for the Saints. It's just bad play for
Speaker 1: the Falcons, right, I think that's bad luck. Okay. I
Speaker 1: mean if you turn around in your fullbacks there, that's
Speaker 1: just bad luck. Okay. The center dribbling the ball off
Speaker 1: his leg was pretty sad. And then you know, Tevin
Speaker 1: Coleman also had a fumble, which was good play by
Speaker 1: the Saints. Uh that killed another drive. And that's what
Speaker 1: I remember from this game to just the Falcons in
Speaker 1: the first half and up and down the field, but
Speaker 1: I having nothing to show for it. And then the blunt,
Speaker 1: the blocked punt touchdown, which was reminiscent of your boy
Speaker 1: Steve Gleason's two thousand and six and you said they
Speaker 1: have the statue. Of course, they've had the statue of
Speaker 1: that play since two thousand twelve outside the stadium. I
Speaker 1: asked West if he could even, you know, remember where
Speaker 1: he was when that Steve Gleason punt happens. In West
Speaker 1: doesn't even remember. I mean, that's the That's one of
Speaker 1: the greatest moments, certainly in Saints history. Certainly the greatest
Speaker 1: punt block um in uh NFL history, I believe, and
Speaker 1: probably the greatest moment in Superdome history, if you ask
Speaker 1: a lot of Saints fans. And it was uncanny that
Speaker 1: it was against the Falcons, and it just looked the
Speaker 1: exact same. And we the NFL dot Com did a
Speaker 1: great video kind of putting those two plays right next
Speaker 1: to each other on the website. On the night that
Speaker 1: Steve Gleason was given the George Hollis Award, right, it was,
Speaker 1: the Superdome was pumped up. It was and for one night,
Speaker 1: you know, it was old times. You had Drew Brees
Speaker 1: being very precise, not flashy, but did throwing two or
Speaker 1: three really nice throws twelve yards only nine in completions.
Speaker 1: You had a defense which you know they got lucky,
Speaker 1: but they did win the turnover battle three to nothing,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the old school Saints defense. And
Speaker 1: then you had a tight end going crazy, and instead
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Graham, it was Ben Watson having a random
Speaker 1: career game in his twelfth season. He was just wide open,
Speaker 1: it seemed, running free through the Falcon secondary because I
Speaker 1: think the Saints realized that Robert Alford and Desmond Truffont
Speaker 1: had been playing pretty well against wide receivers, so why
Speaker 1: not pick on the linebackers and safeties. And Ben Watson
Speaker 1: now has sixty two more yards than Jimmy Graham the season.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's great to see Ben Watson, who Drew
Speaker 1: Brees after the game said he looks up to He says,
Speaker 1: he's a leader. He motivates me every day and just
Speaker 1: the way people talk about Watson, that's why he's been
Speaker 1: in the league so long, so it's it's a cool
Speaker 1: moment for him to have that kind of night on
Speaker 1: a national stage. I give credit to the offense too,
Speaker 1: because they were without their top two left tackles. To
Speaker 1: Ron Armstead was very are good. And then they lose
Speaker 1: their first round Andrews pick Andrews Pete early in the game,
Speaker 1: so they overcame some problems they couldn't run the ball,
Speaker 1: But really, does this game does this say tell you
Speaker 1: a little more about the Falcons. It's a bigger deal
Speaker 1: to me for the Falcons to lose a game. Now
Speaker 1: they're at five and one, and then the Saint Saint's
Speaker 1: gotta during a few of these together to really believe
Speaker 1: they're back in it. I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: Phil Simms pointed out Sean Payton expects Drew Brees to
Speaker 1: have an eight completion rate when he faces his own
Speaker 1: defense like the Falcons, and I think if you have
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, tonight's game might have told you that
Speaker 1: he can hit that tight end on the steam over
Speaker 1: and over again. Well, they've there's a reason they keep
Speaker 1: coming back. They're not built to blow teams out. I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't have a pass rush. The Atlanta does not
Speaker 1: have a pass rush like Beasley's disappeared the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: The linebacker position is not great for Atlanta. It's really
Speaker 1: a defense that's fundamentals hustle, energy, but that's not going
Speaker 1: to dominate. So this was a concerning game and it's
Speaker 1: a game where Matt Ryan, who we've talked about again
Speaker 1: and again, is having a fine season, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: a great season, and that that continued tonight with an
Speaker 1: okay performance. And he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Roddy White's a shadow of his former self. You
Speaker 1: basically got the two playmakers, Willio Jones and DeVonta Freeman.
Speaker 1: Freeman had another great game. Looks fantastic. He's so decisive.
Speaker 1: Always says that burst going through because he's hitting the
Speaker 1: right hole. Well that that puts the Falcons at five
Speaker 1: and one. The sixteen and Otak was ridiculous. I don't
Speaker 1: care how easy the schedule is. Uh, they don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of tough games, but I think this shows
Speaker 1: that they're gonna lose them along the way and we'll
Speaker 1: see how they respond to it. We'll see if the
Speaker 1: Saints can string together a few of these and make
Speaker 1: it interesting. We've kind of dug dirt on the on
Speaker 1: their season already, but this this was a very encouraging
Speaker 1: performance by them. They're back at two and four, and
Speaker 1: let's why don't let's let's just let's just get to
Speaker 1: the rest of the games, don't you think? Do it
Speaker 1: all right, let's send it over to Dan. The Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast is twenty five per cent Keewing. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with Gentiles and Jews. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: and Greg ros All. What's up, boys, Hey, Dan, nice
Speaker 1: to get a little recognition to you know, start on
Speaker 1: Dan Force fed well Jewish. You know it's cultural, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't know what what is cultural? It
Speaker 1: is no that I know exactly what you're saying. And
Speaker 1: if well, this is really for the Theology podast let's
Speaker 1: save this for the Theology podcast. I had some thoughts
Speaker 1: about being a Catholic, but we'll save for the pods.
Speaker 1: Being kid a lot of off season chatter and the
Speaker 1: Theology podcast coming up. This is the Thursday. Will navigated
Speaker 1: out of it and saved all of our jobs. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'd like Woody Allen movies. You know, alright, we got it.
Speaker 1: We got another non controversial figure. Thank you. You could
Speaker 1: go to synagogue every once in a while. I haven't gone, no,
Speaker 1: but you could be Jewish with I have and gone.
Speaker 1: I mean it's affected my kill you. Sorry, I know
Speaker 1: you're trying to. Dan seamlessly gets us out of a corner.
Speaker 1: Greg mercifully tracks us right back in to destroy us.
Speaker 1: All Right, this is the Week six preview edition of
Speaker 1: You Around the NFL podcast. Um, we just heard from
Speaker 1: Chris and Greg uh the Thursday night match up between
Speaker 1: the Falcons and Saints. Uh. Listen tape this a little
Speaker 1: earlier in the day, but I'm sure it was great.
Speaker 1: You guys do really good work and you know your football.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, And speaking of you know, the the idea
Speaker 1: of doing great work and knowing your football. Uh. Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal on Thursday's edition of Around the NFL, a television show,
Speaker 1: the show that we used to be on but no
Speaker 1: longer are. Greg uh is on the show. We're working
Speaker 1: on getting back on the show. We were once on
Speaker 1: the show five days a week for a short period canceled.
Speaker 1: Greg now on the show talking is QB and dex
Speaker 1: and it really is. It is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a kick because known has supported the QB index more
Speaker 1: than the old Zeuser. And now there you are, the
Speaker 1: bright lights of Hollywood upon you like you're seeing in
Speaker 1: a positive way to kick not a kick in you know,
Speaker 1: the backside. What do you say you want to look
Speaker 1: at it? Okay, yeah it was. It was fun. But
Speaker 1: you and Mike Silver did a really good job debating
Speaker 1: the QB Index, which has Matt Hasselbeck at number ten.
Speaker 1: No joke. He's played two games and one of those
Speaker 1: two was sensational and the other one was very good.
Speaker 1: Josh mccowns still lodged the number. And we're gonna get
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back on. I mean, maybe maybe our
Speaker 1: listeners can tweet at NFL network to to get us
Speaker 1: back on there. We just it had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with us. Better off right in the Santa Claus you know,
Speaker 1: you know we're working behind the scenes and fixing. Uh
Speaker 1: some of the issues didn't have to do with with us,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get back there. We're gonna Okay, Joan
Speaker 1: of arc what does that even mean? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm Jewish. They didn't teach us that. Stop steering us
Speaker 1: back to that spot. It's a theology podcast. So yes,
Speaker 1: we are now uh the turtle to Greg's Vinny Chase,
Speaker 1: Uh to television. That's all good. Johnny Drama and the
Speaker 1: other guy us great. So you're saying you're gonna put
Speaker 1: all your energy into supporting me, and I kicked the
Speaker 1: door down and then the money just starts coming. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the last choice that's been given to us. So
Speaker 1: we'll pursue that. We're basically it's a it's a The
Speaker 1: idea is to just whatever gets handed to you in life.
Speaker 1: You need to react to that and just deal with
Speaker 1: the best you can. So we will ride your coattails.
Speaker 1: Now now that actual group glory is no longer an option. Well,
Speaker 1: like like Vinnie Chase, you know, I have big time
Speaker 1: personality and I'm ready to handle this. I'm ready to
Speaker 1: carry you. And you're also equally good looking. Ny Chase
Speaker 1: was a cardboard box. It never made sense that he
Speaker 1: was the movie star was trying to casting before. I
Speaker 1: mean about the personality of Benny Chase, it never made sense. Adrian,
Speaker 1: if you are a listener of the podcast, Gregg doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it might listen. It's fair. Let's just playing a character.
Speaker 1: So today today's show. Uh, now that you've heard about
Speaker 1: the Thursday night game, you've heard about Greg's rise to
Speaker 1: start him. Uh, now for the watch with a telescope.
Speaker 1: We will now get into all the games on Sunday
Speaker 1: and Monday. And Greg, we have four buys. Four teams
Speaker 1: on buy this week, the Dallas Cowboys, the Oakland Raiders, St.
Speaker 1: Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That leaves teams at at
Speaker 1: two and that means fourteen games, which means twelve on
Speaker 1: Sunday and one on Monday. I haven't thank you. I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm impressed that you've really nailed it took
Speaker 1: you're a regular rain man. It took six weeks, but
Speaker 1: you're there. Thank you. So let's go. Why don't we
Speaker 1: get into the games? A lot to get to Uh,
Speaker 1: what's start with the one pm games? And we will
Speaker 1: start with an undefe eat a team, the Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: five and oh uh they are running away with a
Speaker 1: f C South. The next closest team are the Chargers
Speaker 1: and Raiders, both two and three. So Denver in great
Speaker 1: shape to win yet another division title. And now they
Speaker 1: go to Cleveland to beat the breath to excuse me
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, h to meet the Cleveland Browns, a team
Speaker 1: that they have defeated ten straight times going back a
Speaker 1: long time mark. Do you remember the last time the
Speaker 1: Browns beat the Broncos? How old were you? What were
Speaker 1: you doing? I was a sophomore in high school. I
Speaker 1: was seventeen and basically maybe sixteen an old song. I
Speaker 1: was sixteen. It was the end of of Bud Carson.
Speaker 1: He was about to get fired and replaced by interim
Speaker 1: coach Jim Schaffner. Another notch in our belt for anyone
Speaker 1: who doesn't believe that interim head coaches are going to
Speaker 1: guide into team anywhere. He promised the media, we will
Speaker 1: not lose again, and he went something like one in
Speaker 1: Jim Schaffner also on the sideline, interrupting the call during
Speaker 1: the Cardiac Kids playoff team to introduce the Red Right
Speaker 1: eighty eight. Play smart, move that guy. So it's been
Speaker 1: a long time at all the answers. So, yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's been a long time. Yes, uh, and Greg I
Speaker 1: will say this, Uh, the Denver Broncos and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: I defended him earlier in the year. Now I got
Speaker 1: to back off a little bit because I need to
Speaker 1: see him make progress, and we simply did not see
Speaker 1: any progress. Last week. He stepped back. The last two
Speaker 1: weeks he's playing like a rookie or a second year
Speaker 1: player where he's solid for most of the game and
Speaker 1: then he makes two or three big, bone headed mental mistakes.
Speaker 1: But the difference between a guy like him and Cutler
Speaker 1: for instance, or even maybe not Matthews after this year,
Speaker 1: it's not like Peyton Manning's mixing in any wow plays
Speaker 1: with those mental mistakes. So right now you have a
Speaker 1: guy that they're running the ball on third and long.
Speaker 1: They're throwing screens on third and long that are way
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. They're telling you they're not
Speaker 1: that confident in Peyton Manning by the way they're calling games.
Speaker 1: Mike Petton this week walked into the offensive meeting room
Speaker 1: while they were watching cut ups of Denver's defense and asked, basically, wait,
Speaker 1: is this just the plays where they either made a sack?
Speaker 1: Was it the sacklist? Basically just the place where they
Speaker 1: blew up that the offense. He's like, No, this is
Speaker 1: essentially just play after play. This is what they're doing
Speaker 1: snap after snap. I mean the defense, like the way
Speaker 1: they're getting after the quarterback, and it's the secondary to
Speaker 1: you know, car last week is getting chased down a
Speaker 1: ton and when he had anyone open, the guy had
Speaker 1: maybe half a yard or a yard on the on
Speaker 1: the cornerback or safety. Well, there's a chance that keep
Speaker 1: to leave misses this game. We'll see DeMarcus Ware is
Speaker 1: gonna miss this game. So maybe, just maybe, if those
Speaker 1: two guys were out, your cat into Marius Thomas isn't
Speaker 1: a percent healthy. Maybe the Browns are catching at the
Speaker 1: at the right time. The thing about the Broncos at
Speaker 1: five and o's as as good as they are, they're
Speaker 1: in every game. Like, I don't think this is an
Speaker 1: unwinnable game for the Browns by any means, because the
Speaker 1: Broncos don't have an offense right now that that's gonna
Speaker 1: run away and hide from you. They scored six points
Speaker 1: in the black hole. A Peyton Manning team against the
Speaker 1: Raiders scored six points. Do you know what you should
Speaker 1: have told Mike Silver? Oh what? Tim Tebow in two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven averaged more touchdowns per game than Peyton Manning's
Speaker 1: offense has ever an issue, It's been a different situation.
Speaker 1: Connor Or, who's been something something of a renegade with
Speaker 1: the picks this season. He has picked the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: He's the only one that did. I believe Mark. Initially
Speaker 1: you did pick the Browns, and now you went to
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Well, a crisis of confidences have been there
Speaker 1: for a bit. Well it's because they took a screen
Speaker 1: capture and it's sitting on our site and I'm getting
Speaker 1: absolutely destroyed on Twitter by people that no, I changed
Speaker 1: it after I went back and watched the Broncos Raiders game.
Speaker 1: How about Duke, I mean, how about Duke Johns. I
Speaker 1: like Duke Johnson. Josh McCown. We he played so well
Speaker 1: that for a point, I know, I know, we gotta
Speaker 1: move on for a for a second, you were like,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of Mark sesters like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: this is I didn't played that great against the guy
Speaker 1: that we're waiting for. I was really thinking about the
Speaker 1: Chargers game. I gotta give Mike Petting a little credit too,
Speaker 1: because I and many other people were killing him for
Speaker 1: putting McCown back in the lineup, and he has played
Speaker 1: pretty well for three straight weeks now, and there's still
Speaker 1: not a playoff team. There's still a case to be
Speaker 1: made that you should be playing the young guy right now.
Speaker 1: But they're competitive team, they're frisky and McCown has not
Speaker 1: been the problem at any level above or blow chance
Speaker 1: to Bronco's defense knocks Josh McCown out of this game, Well,
Speaker 1: they're hurting there, They're they're hammering quarterbacksts over and he
Speaker 1: runs himself into more trouble than any quarterback. I want
Speaker 1: to see if Robert Turbin plays, that's I think that
Speaker 1: he would be an upgrade honestly over Isaiah Crowell this season. Well,
Speaker 1: crow well, m McCown gets credit for that touchdown, which
Speaker 1: was a dump off, and Crowell made a bunch of
Speaker 1: people missed. Well, they're running backs, which they didn't do
Speaker 1: any last year, are actually pass catching backs this year.
Speaker 1: And he did look good, but as a running back,
Speaker 1: he's left a lot to be desired this whole season.
Speaker 1: Think anybody calls him turbo makes sense. It would be
Speaker 1: a mysterieunity if they haven't. Maybe in Seattle they did. Okay,
Speaker 1: moving on the Chicago Bears, who listen, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say we're nervous that we forked the Bears, but they're
Speaker 1: showing some life a team that everybody's like, are they
Speaker 1: gonna win a game? Well, now they're two and three
Speaker 1: and they're being they're being respectable, and Jay Cutler is
Speaker 1: playing okay for j Cutler, And now they go to
Speaker 1: Detroit to face a winless lines team where home field
Speaker 1: advantage doesn't mean jack s. Let's face it, uh and
Speaker 1: this is a game, another winnable game where the Bears
Speaker 1: can get to UM three and three. But however, Greg,
Speaker 1: you may used to make picks, but you don't anymore.
Speaker 1: It's disappointing. We've talked about it. I'm disappointed. I think
Speaker 1: everyone else's too. But you you did a now hit
Speaker 1: earlier where you you believe that the lines are about
Speaker 1: to finally get off. Well, as oh and five teams go,
Speaker 1: they're They're a very good OH and five team overall.
Speaker 1: I mean even in last week's game, they were moving
Speaker 1: the ball. They had more yards than the Cardinals in
Speaker 1: the first half of that game. As they're getting blown out,
Speaker 1: and yeah, they're overdue that the Bears have won some
Speaker 1: scrappy games. They of credit. J Cutler is doing a
Speaker 1: lot with a little and I think Adam Gaze has
Speaker 1: has had a positive impact. Is I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not a footwork expert, but I do know he has
Speaker 1: great don't yourself short. You know, he has great pocket
Speaker 1: movement and they're having a hard time getting Cutler down
Speaker 1: when when defenses get to him. What about Vic Fangio's defense,
Speaker 1: I think it's been a little underrated. Fourth in total defense.
Speaker 1: That is what kind of sorcery is at that That
Speaker 1: is shocking. And if maybe maybe they beat the line,
Speaker 1: I don't think so though. From the NFL Media Research Guide,
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley Matthew Stafford has a zero point five passerrating
Speaker 1: when targeting Megatron and I passed that's fifteen or more
Speaker 1: yards down field. It was eighty two point nine last year.
Speaker 1: Now does that speak more Chris wesling to the offensive
Speaker 1: line or to Matt Stafford or to Megatron? All the
Speaker 1: above and Joe Lombardi the play called. I think it
Speaker 1: speaks to everything, the whole everything's intertwined in that offense.
Speaker 1: For how bad they've been. Kelvin is not the same
Speaker 1: player though he's not. They've got the Bengals picked on
Speaker 1: Carry Williams last week, the week before, Calvin Johnson couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. If if they if the Bears could win
Speaker 1: this game and get to three through well, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter at this point in the season. But if if
Speaker 1: there was voting for defensive Player of the Year, I
Speaker 1: think your boy West Pernell McPhee would have to be
Speaker 1: in the mix. Really, he's been as good week after week,
Speaker 1: making game changing plays. I think as it's just about anyone.
Speaker 1: You don't think so I wouldn't. He's played great. I
Speaker 1: don't know about defensive player of the year. Here's something
Speaker 1: crazy and own five team being picked across the board
Speaker 1: by the entire round, the NFL team and also the fans,
Speaker 1: the fan consensus on NFL dot com. So everyone is
Speaker 1: saying probably the same thing, like, listen, the lines are bad,
Speaker 1: but they're not They're not terrible on the road. This
Speaker 1: makes sense to finally get a win. We'll see if
Speaker 1: it happens either way, if if you wanted to sign
Speaker 1: it up. We have a weekly pick him league on
Speaker 1: a wrap that that's which coming from you around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm just say and we we never mentioned it. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys going up against this. Who
Speaker 1: knows who's in first place right now? Maybe it's I
Speaker 1: know who's in last place. Speaking of picks, before we
Speaker 1: move on to the next game, Mark you approached me
Speaker 1: something you had thought about privately for some time and
Speaker 1: maybe you wanted to bring up here. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel you know my performance. If you if you
Speaker 1: want to waste five minutes of time and go looking
Speaker 1: at the standings in our picks, I am picking like
Speaker 1: a seven year old that's never watched the sport. It's
Speaker 1: embarrassing and I believe that I should be forked, and
Speaker 1: we talked about that in the last show. And my
Speaker 1: proposal is that you know, there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: discord because Greg, who is who is fun to work
Speaker 1: with and is good at picking games. He won last
Speaker 1: year and it's not been good for our show that
Speaker 1: he's not on, and I think he should take over
Speaker 1: my spot because it's the challenge he needs. Get back
Speaker 1: in with a last place team, and if you can
Speaker 1: turn this ship around, Greg, you have proven yourself to
Speaker 1: be one of about the rates in the industry. You're
Speaker 1: fifteen games behind, that's impossible. That's what you need. The chat.
Speaker 1: For the third time in this podcast history, I'm about
Speaker 1: to compare somebody to Michael Jordan's Greg. Greg didn't have
Speaker 1: any challenge. That's part of the reason why he quit
Speaker 1: picking games. It's like when Jordan decided to play baseball.
Speaker 1: He was he had won three championships in a row.
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, what who do I have
Speaker 1: to beat now? And that's how great? But stop picking game.
Speaker 1: You have a chance to walk into Mark's factory of sadness,
Speaker 1: bringing some workers off the street. Put him back to work.
Speaker 1: This is America, damn it. And get these machines out
Speaker 1: of here, all these robits, get some these some hands
Speaker 1: and some some smiles, and feed some families. Greg, this
Speaker 1: is your chance. We need some fight for your rights
Speaker 1: of every man in the background. If this was the
Speaker 1: w w E, you guys have come up with a
Speaker 1: with a very intriguing plot line. I have to admit that,
Speaker 1: But it also seems like a highly created thing just
Speaker 1: to get Mark because he's lazy and doesn't want to
Speaker 1: do is you know he doesn't want to do the picks. Well,
Speaker 1: I think he's thinking about the podcast. I am. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about that first, and I know that Greg doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do it. He doesn't want his ace attached
Speaker 1: to my record like on the site itself. He doesn't
Speaker 1: wantas head shot attached to my results. Well, I would
Speaker 1: say we could split it down the middle and put
Speaker 1: a big paragraph above the picks to explain the readers
Speaker 1: what is happening. Nobody cares. It was a bridge too
Speaker 1: far there, Mark, Well, alright, moving on, so right now
Speaker 1: it's a no. But wow, that's good though, I'm sorry. Alright,
Speaker 1: moving on. The Houston Texans UH one of the worst
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL because of their ghastly game of
Speaker 1: musical chairs going on. Brian Hoyer back in the starting lineup,
Speaker 1: and he faces a Jacksonville Jaguars team that has not
Speaker 1: been forked by us there one and four. They've had
Speaker 1: good play from their quarterback, which is getting getting certain
Speaker 1: individuals very excited at this table um, perhaps everyone at
Speaker 1: this table. But if they don't beat the Houston Texans,
Speaker 1: come on, WESA. The Jaguars need Send Mars has played
Speaker 1: all year, he's coming back from a cl surgery. He
Speaker 1: should be back any game now, and he's the best
Speaker 1: defensive player. Last week, Paul pauz Lesni, who has been
Speaker 1: their leading tackler, was out too. And without those two guys,
Speaker 1: they're just not a very good defense. So maybe they can,
Speaker 1: maybe they can become a little frisky with those two
Speaker 1: guys back in the lineup in the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: They really have struggled to find big time difference makers
Speaker 1: on defense. It's an okay team defense, but it is
Speaker 1: no better than the day Gus Bradley started really in
Speaker 1: terms of identifying guys that you think, Okay, that guy
Speaker 1: might make a Pro Bowl or that guy could be
Speaker 1: a future All pros And Derek Marks, I would say,
Speaker 1: was the one guy that they've had in three years
Speaker 1: and he hasn't played at all. This the first their
Speaker 1: first overall pick or the third overall pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: that guy would have helped as well. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't help that the contrast of Dan Quinn, you know,
Speaker 1: his replacement as defensive coordinator of the Seahawks goes to
Speaker 1: Atlanta and with a lot of the same players, has
Speaker 1: them looking completely different. Well, let's give some love to
Speaker 1: board Les, you know on this show. What what is
Speaker 1: it that gets you going West? Because when I when
Speaker 1: I watched him, I think he's thrown in five or
Speaker 1: six Wow, plays practically a game his whole career where
Speaker 1: he shows it all. He's got pocket movement, he's got
Speaker 1: the big arm, he can put some touch on the pass.
Speaker 1: Like he reminds me, he reminds me mostly of Cam
Speaker 1: Newton and Andrew Luck. I guess if I had to
Speaker 1: pick someone, he reminds me a little bit of John Elway.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that? Wow? I would say.
Speaker 1: What gets me inside is the same thing that got
Speaker 1: all of us excited in his preseason of his rookie year.
Speaker 1: That he looks like to me a young Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: That he can move well in the pocket, he's a
Speaker 1: big body, he's an athlete. He can make all the throws,
Speaker 1: and it seems like he does pretty well on the
Speaker 1: run too. He's aggressive. The difference I guess the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks watching him is he's just not having
Speaker 1: those big mistakes and he's not having those stretches where
Speaker 1: he's wild. He's still a little wild compared to but
Speaker 1: that's why he reminds me a little bit of Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can be a Cam Newton type of player.
Speaker 1: I mean, they finally have some developing talent around him.
Speaker 1: To last year was just they didn't want to play
Speaker 1: him last year. That was the blueprint where gonna put
Speaker 1: Chad Henny in because they knew how bad their protection
Speaker 1: was and how little talent there was, and he bottomed
Speaker 1: out at the end of last season. I mean, game
Speaker 1: after game he's playing better. This We should give Alan
Speaker 1: Hearneson credit. I believe he's like fifth and receiving or
Speaker 1: something to Alan's. If if you have them, you have
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas. I mean that whole plan is coming together.
Speaker 1: On the other side of things, Is there a team
Speaker 1: that you It's amazing that a team with j J.
Speaker 1: Watt and Jadevian Clowney would be right near the bottom,
Speaker 1: if not the bottom of teams I want to watch
Speaker 1: play football. Well, it's because of the whole other side
Speaker 1: of the ball, right, But it's just they have to
Speaker 1: be Is that I'm trying to think? Is there? They
Speaker 1: have DeAndre Hopkins too? It was fun to watch, honestly,
Speaker 1: Hoyer and I'm not a Hoyer guy this season. I
Speaker 1: was last year. But he played an excellent that's true,
Speaker 1: an excellent game last time. DeAndre Hopkins had one, just
Speaker 1: a dominant game in that game and got lost in
Speaker 1: the show. There's the problem though. Yeah, Howyer played very
Speaker 1: well when he came on, but he made one of
Speaker 1: the worst passes I've ever seen at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. He's gonna do that. He's always going to
Speaker 1: be that guy that you start to get in on him,
Speaker 1: you start to get into Cleveland Springsteen, you start to believe,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh wait, this guy is not very
Speaker 1: good there. I mean, they're still in the same bad spot.
Speaker 1: I go back to my theory that they need to
Speaker 1: replace the quarterback switch Malton Hoyer every series because if
Speaker 1: you look statistically what they've done off the bench, when
Speaker 1: they invariably keep putting someone on the bench, the reliever
Speaker 1: has come in and lit it up. But it's anyone
Speaker 1: who starts the game who was prepared for in any
Speaker 1: level thing. It's a disaster what it is. Rennegade connor
Speaker 1: Or was the only one in the group to pick
Speaker 1: the Texans, but so did the fans. The fan consensus
Speaker 1: does not believe in the Jags. I was kind of
Speaker 1: doing overall in the picks. He is one game behind
Speaker 1: West and I he's competitive, and seven games behind Patrick,
Speaker 1: who's doing very well. He's doing it with a lot
Speaker 1: of style. So even just staying in the just just
Speaker 1: you don't get You don't get to provide analysis anymore
Speaker 1: because you're no longer a game picker. Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: about to get critical there. I could tell you were
Speaker 1: about there was a southern other side to that. I
Speaker 1: also like Marx I yeah, earlier that if you put
Speaker 1: like a potato sack or something over your head whenever
Speaker 1: we talk about the picks, it's more like a hostage,
Speaker 1: a black hostage hood over Greg's face. He's not allowed
Speaker 1: to express opinions or especially be critical of anyone who
Speaker 1: did participated. How about that great, I'm speechless first time. Alright.
Speaker 1: Moving on the Cincinnati ben Gals. They are undefeated and
Speaker 1: they just pulled off something wild by coming back from
Speaker 1: seventeen points down um to beat the Seahawks. That is
Speaker 1: something that has not been done to come back in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter down seventeen points uh and then when
Speaker 1: it has not happened since two thousand and eleven, which
Speaker 1: tells you not only they pull it off, they did
Speaker 1: it against historically great defense. Maybe not right now, but
Speaker 1: still a great team. So now they're five and out,
Speaker 1: and now they travel to Buffalo. This is an interesting
Speaker 1: game with the Bills, who have been three and two,
Speaker 1: have been one of the best looking teams in the
Speaker 1: a f C for three of those weeks, but they
Speaker 1: might not have Tyrod Taylor, and actually there's probably a
Speaker 1: good chance they don't. He practiced in a limited fashion today.
Speaker 1: Rex does not want to make an announcement, but I
Speaker 1: guess our reports that we're hearing is that it will
Speaker 1: be EJ. Manuel behind center, which to me, Greg would
Speaker 1: be a real bummer because if if that wasn't the case,
Speaker 1: this to me would be a coin foot game. And
Speaker 1: I still think they could win the game with d J. Manuel.
Speaker 1: I give Greg Roman, Mark's boy, a lot of credit
Speaker 1: for the offense he's dialed up with Taylor. Now maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it's a huge drop off from Taylor to Manuel. Uh,
Speaker 1: but the way he's kind of cooked up schemes, it
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of what Michael Lombardi used
Speaker 1: to say with battleship offenses or battleship defenses. Greg Roman
Speaker 1: get is out there a little bit and every you know,
Speaker 1: he has a very specific plan for that specific game,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it just hits and guys are open and
Speaker 1: he's gonna score a lot of points. And sometimes it
Speaker 1: doesn't hit at all, and maybe he can get you
Speaker 1: can get a big hit with d J. Manuel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think from the Bengal side of things. You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: last week you said that Greg Hardy hid one of
Speaker 1: the best games by a defensive end all season. Carlos
Speaker 1: dun Laps fourth quarter wasn't very very far behind Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy's whole game. Dunlap was wreaking havoc. And and your
Speaker 1: boy pac Man has been awesome this year. He's been terrific.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Bengals defense. Defensive line is really very deep,
Speaker 1: Dunlaps playing great, Walk Atkins is playing great, Wallace Gilberry's
Speaker 1: playing pretty well. And oh, by the way, oh thanks
Speaker 1: for Michael Johnson back now, a solid starter that was
Speaker 1: just like that the Bucks. No, they didn't give them back,
Speaker 1: but they lost him in free agency and got him
Speaker 1: back at a much cheaper price. This is definitely, with
Speaker 1: the most one of the more interesting tests for Dalton
Speaker 1: so far. I mean, dealing with the Buffalo's defensive line
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, which they're a different team there at home.
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, I really like I am waiting
Speaker 1: for the Stinker games still, but not the same way
Speaker 1: that I was three weeks ago, because something with Dalton
Speaker 1: is so completely different. The first drive last week, when
Speaker 1: they scored a touchdown against Seattle. Two players that we've
Speaker 1: talked about a bunch, Marvin Jones and Effort. He pegged
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones with a beautiful throwdown field that he just
Speaker 1: did not make it times last season, and then the
Speaker 1: next play if in the end zone. Well this is
Speaker 1: such a test, uh, going up against Stefan Gilmore and
Speaker 1: cornerback tannem There so physical and we kind of were waiting,
Speaker 1: how's this defense gonna be under Rex Ryan, How's it
Speaker 1: going to be different? Because it was a very good
Speaker 1: different defense last year. And I think how it's different
Speaker 1: is in that secondary. Those two cornerbacks are at another level,
Speaker 1: and Marcel Darius I think is at another level two
Speaker 1: on the defensive line that he's there's another difference. They
Speaker 1: don't get nearly as many sacks as they did under
Speaker 1: the last few defensive coordinate teams are throwing the ball
Speaker 1: very quickly on him. I think that's that's basically the
Speaker 1: m O. The other thing is I think the linebackers
Speaker 1: have taken a step back. Nigel Bradham and Preston Brown
Speaker 1: are not having a particularly good seasons this year. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they were big time players last year. That's weird
Speaker 1: that the sack total would be so far off when
Speaker 1: two years ago it was a Rex Ryan defense. They
Speaker 1: have nine and the Packers probably have twenty. Mark, you
Speaker 1: took the Bills. I did take the Bills. Why well,
Speaker 1: because my bold prediction this week was that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Dalton was gonna get banged in Buffalo. It's going to
Speaker 1: be his first down game. But again, I don't think
Speaker 1: that means the kind of gaming for instance, he had
Speaker 1: on Thursday night against the Browns last year where it
Speaker 1: was like did he even practice this week? I don't
Speaker 1: think we're gonna see that. But this is gonna be,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a low scoring game, like a seventeen
Speaker 1: to fourteen type deal. I this guya got lost in
Speaker 1: the shuffle. Maybe not in Buffalo, but I'm surprised you
Speaker 1: haven't brought it up because you love to pick on
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan, Rex Ryan and his cronies. Two plays after
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor was wrenched and clearly hurt his leg and
Speaker 1: was limping, put him out at wide receiver for a play,
Speaker 1: and then he gets tackled big time out of bounds.
Speaker 1: Two plays after getting hurt. Literally, you have the franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback playing receiver after he got hurt and then he's limping.
Speaker 1: It was just it was one of the worst coaching
Speaker 1: moments of the year. I was wondering where you were
Speaker 1: going with that when you said cronies thought they were
Speaker 1: gonna be like in Rex's basement, smoking cigars and playing poker.
Speaker 1: I also take you to task on one thing, um
Speaker 1: the you made a comment in your Most Reason QB
Speaker 1: index that you were surprised that it took Rex so
Speaker 1: long to to locate Tyrod Taylor as a starter. Why
Speaker 1: do we give Rex credit? We're always bearing him about
Speaker 1: how he can't figure out how to get a quarterback
Speaker 1: to play and doesn't have any any idea what to
Speaker 1: do with the position. He got it right in August,
Speaker 1: and now he's got a good quarterback on his hand. Well,
Speaker 1: or that's Doug Whaley bring. I don't think Rex has
Speaker 1: been talking up Tyrod Taylor for years, So let's give
Speaker 1: Rex a little QB credit. He's never gotten it before
Speaker 1: this one. He got right in a big way. You're right,
Speaker 1: give him some credit. Maybe Waley was putching manual since
Speaker 1: that was Whaley's Well's first round pick boondogging. He did
Speaker 1: get it right. They took a lot of time there.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get some money. You gotta paid Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1: He keeps us up. You know they went down. They
Speaker 1: did the same thing with Ryan Fitzpatrick. As soon as
Speaker 1: they pay. I don't care. You gotta would you have
Speaker 1: mind Rex Ryan getting Tyrod Taylor the Jets years ago?
Speaker 1: If that's how long he's been fascinating with this player, well,
Speaker 1: that's a let's water under the bridge, Mark. Let's just
Speaker 1: move forward as humans. Uh. Let's move forward to Minnesota
Speaker 1: where the Vikings, who are now sitting at two and
Speaker 1: two and then second place in the NFC North, will
Speaker 1: host the wretched Kansas City Chiefs that one and four
Speaker 1: and now without Jamal Charles who's lost for the year.
Speaker 1: Just the devastating setback to the Chiefs and fantasy owners alike,
Speaker 1: including Malina Weintraub, who had Jaal Charles is the first pick,
Speaker 1: it arts, it arts the entire team for listeners that
Speaker 1: it's not her fantasy team. She has no idea, but
Speaker 1: you've named fantasy. We've named our fantasy team after this
Speaker 1: A T and T girl from the commercials. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: slightly creepy. I understand. I'd rather go to a shopping
Speaker 1: mall than cover this game. Yeah, let's less explained to
Speaker 1: me why this game is so unappealing despite having perhaps
Speaker 1: the greatest running back of all time prominently involved. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs involved, That's all you need to know. What a boring,
Speaker 1: boring team. We thought they might be a little more
Speaker 1: exciting this year, and then their best player goes down,
Speaker 1: unfortunately with a knee injury. But Alex Smith, how do
Speaker 1: you get excited watching a quarterback throw short of the
Speaker 1: sticks and never lead a two minute drill? The Vikings
Speaker 1: have also, it just feels like they've they're a forgotten
Speaker 1: team right now. They're very under the radar. I mean
Speaker 1: they're two and two. They I thought they were going
Speaker 1: to be the big trendy like talked about team. Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy,
Speaker 1: he's he's been fine this year, but he has not.
Speaker 1: I would say it's very early. He's only played four games.
Speaker 1: But the trio of Hyrod, Taylor, Derek Carton Bordles right
Speaker 1: now are the are the three kind of up and
Speaker 1: coming quarterbacks, where Bridgewater has just been kind of steady.
Speaker 1: Ye have one really good game, one terrible game, and
Speaker 1: two games in between. Well and Mike Wallace hasn't been
Speaker 1: healthy and Charles Johnson has not been healthy. There, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that some part of the element. I mean
Speaker 1: Charles Johnson, I know we've been waiting for him to
Speaker 1: break after a few years. Mike Wallace isn't Mike Wallace anymore.
Speaker 1: I I don't think that they don't have the weapons
Speaker 1: around this guy besides Peterson. At this point, I would
Speaker 1: I wouldn't count them out yet though, because I North
Speaker 1: Turner has done this over and over with with offenses.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine. It's crazy at this point.
Speaker 1: Remember at this point last year, we would always have
Speaker 1: like a weekly Cordorel Patterson update, And now we're at
Speaker 1: the point where Stephen Diggs plays ahead of Cordorel Patterson
Speaker 1: and no one evenin I took him in the third
Speaker 1: round of my fantasy draft last year, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: even thought at the time. It was like, well, that
Speaker 1: makes some sense. He's a big breakout guy. That's how
Speaker 1: high people were. Man, he's gonna he's gonna be used
Speaker 1: in the backfield to don't you know that's a that's
Speaker 1: a savvy looks like the greatest football player in the world.
Speaker 1: How many different ways. Can you write the guy doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to run around? Yeah, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: weird like criticism too. To have such little ability and
Speaker 1: that part of the game. You think at some point
Speaker 1: you would get better at it. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a writer. Well, you know, he's tons of talent, he's great.
Speaker 1: Cannot write a sentence, Uh, you just can't do it.
Speaker 1: Can't get the subject and the predicate. The reckless connor
Speaker 1: Or was the only one to take the chiefs. And
Speaker 1: at this point it's a bit like we haven't even
Speaker 1: talked to him about this at all, but it's now
Speaker 1: week after week it's coming up. But he puts them
Speaker 1: in before. I mean, it's not like he sees your
Speaker 1: picks against him. He's just he's just he's a renegade.
Speaker 1: He's basically what Mark has been trying to do. But
Speaker 1: he's been able to go about five hundred on these
Speaker 1: type of picks, whereas Mark, you've probably been going. Well,
Speaker 1: I tried last week and I got I had to
Speaker 1: think I had five heroes and I got three of
Speaker 1: them right. But it was the rest of the games
Speaker 1: where I went about one and nine. Yeah, alright, The
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins UH and their solid defense heads to the
Speaker 1: meadow Lands to face the New York Jets in there
Speaker 1: solid er defense nailed it journalism school. The New York
Speaker 1: Jets are three and one coming off thereby they face
Speaker 1: a two and three Redskins team. UH. This is the
Speaker 1: Jets led by, according to Brandon Marshall, the best running
Speaker 1: back in football and Chris Ivory uh, which I think
Speaker 1: maybe is a bit of a stretch, but at times
Speaker 1: Chris Ivory has looked like one of the best running
Speaker 1: backs in the football this season. The Jets also, of
Speaker 1: course getting back Sheldon Richardson off his four game suspension,
Speaker 1: so Eric Decker is also healthy, so the Jets are healthy.
Speaker 1: At home, everything seems like it's going to be headed
Speaker 1: towards another win. And that's why I'm terrified about this
Speaker 1: game against a slightly frisky Redskins team. I didn't think
Speaker 1: they're more than slightly frisky. They don't. They play pretty
Speaker 1: close to every team they they play up against. I
Speaker 1: think that Giants game was kind of a letdown on
Speaker 1: national TV, but other than that, they've been very frisky.
Speaker 1: All you I mean, you get other teams to play
Speaker 1: their style, which is a credit to them. They they
Speaker 1: slow the game down, ugly it up. They are the
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins of teams, ugly, low ceiling, and you know
Speaker 1: gets Mark Sessler excited. No, well, no, no, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not old, ugly, low ceiling Cessler. That's well, I just
Speaker 1: know he likes Cousins the Redskin. I like Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm also as I said on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: he absolutely killed that team with a couple of decisions
Speaker 1: against the Falcons in a game they could That wasn't
Speaker 1: his fault. That was a tight ends fult. Charlie Casserly
Speaker 1: broke down the tape and you know he knows more
Speaker 1: than I do. That was his conclusion. He also saw
Speaker 1: the pressure coming and just got rid of the ball
Speaker 1: a little early. They had a hunt. He also led
Speaker 1: a uh touchdown drive to tie the game. That's what
Speaker 1: I wrote up that that he had a masterful drive
Speaker 1: to put them into overtime, and he looked like he
Speaker 1: had more command of that offense than any quarterback the
Speaker 1: Redskins have had since two thousand twelve with r G three.
Speaker 1: But but it's the they were given so many chances
Speaker 1: in that game, and they had a hundred and forty
Speaker 1: yards with about seven minutes left in the game, and
Speaker 1: the Falcons just kept handing it over and kept giving
Speaker 1: them a good field position and they weren't getting first down.
Speaker 1: The run game was a big part of it. The
Speaker 1: run game, which should be great, has been up and
Speaker 1: down and you're not really sure what you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a week to week. Well, they feel like in eight
Speaker 1: and eight team for everything we're talking about, because when
Speaker 1: they're good, you can really want to buy into them,
Speaker 1: and then the next week that doesn't sustain. I think
Speaker 1: this could be a very low scoring game for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this could be an ugly game
Speaker 1: that West, you're making fun of my team when we
Speaker 1: do the podcast on Sunday night, because whether they win
Speaker 1: or lose it, it's just gonna be one of those games. No,
Speaker 1: I totally think it's gonna be low scoring because that's that,
Speaker 1: like Greg said, the Gredskins kind of take you down
Speaker 1: into the mud and make you wrestle with them. We
Speaker 1: have an interesting one of the more interesting go get
Speaker 1: my Lunch props of the season. It's one of yours.
Speaker 1: West Kirk Cousins throws for at least twenty touchdowns and
Speaker 1: three thousand yards in both myself and Greg took you
Speaker 1: up on that. I look at uh, you take a
Speaker 1: look at what his projected numbers are right now. I
Speaker 1: don't think he has the touchdown. You got the yard
Speaker 1: at easy. He actually is on pace for over thirty yards,
Speaker 1: but he's only at pace for sixteen touchdowns right now.
Speaker 1: Only is five touchdown. Yeah, you got a chance. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do it. What's working against me is
Speaker 1: their style of play, which is to run the ball.
Speaker 1: But as long as he stays healthy, the yards they're well,
Speaker 1: he's fine with the yards not even gonna be remotely close.
Speaker 1: And if he can play sixteen games, you'll have a
Speaker 1: chance one or two day games through the air. Get
Speaker 1: Jordan reading Deshan Jackson back in that line up. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be throwing touchdowns all over the place. Had eleven
Speaker 1: touchdowns all of last year. I meant big twenty twenties,
Speaker 1: very achieava. I think he can just got five through
Speaker 1: five games. I didn't take him up on this, correct, Well,
Speaker 1: twenty is pretty doable. He got a chance. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, And as far as this old renegade or
Speaker 1: picked the Redskins. The rest of us picked J T
Speaker 1: s you always. I don't think that's crazy though. That's
Speaker 1: not crazy. That's not crazy. But it's when it's every game,
Speaker 1: when it's literally three straight games. Alright, another great, this
Speaker 1: is oh excellent one PM game. Be it will be
Speaker 1: even better if Ben Roethlisberger is back, but I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that's going to happen. The Arizona Cardinals four one,
Speaker 1: the apple of Chris Westling's eye, the team of around
Speaker 1: the NFL UH travel to Hines Field to face the Steelers. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some bad news today. UH for the Steelers. Marquis Pounce,
Speaker 1: eitherir center who had who broke his leg in the preseason,
Speaker 1: underwent surgery went on I R Boomerang was expected to
Speaker 1: be back, has to have another ankle surgery, so now
Speaker 1: his entire season is in doubt. UH. And their backup
Speaker 1: center has not played very well at all. So that's
Speaker 1: a bummer. So they wasted the Boomerang, potentially potentially wasted
Speaker 1: their boomerang. Big Ben practiced on Thursday, but in a
Speaker 1: limited fashion. And as our friend andrews Ceciliano, who will
Speaker 1: be on a little later UM said on today's show.
Speaker 1: Whenever a QB is only limited on a Thursday, not
Speaker 1: typically a good sign. So Mark, we might see some
Speaker 1: more Michael Vick, which might not be a great thing
Speaker 1: because other than one big throw in a couple of
Speaker 1: passes in that last drive was a bit of a
Speaker 1: nightmare on Monday night. I think we are going to
Speaker 1: see him. It sounds like the problem with Big Bend
Speaker 1: as he can't he said he can't move laterally the
Speaker 1: problem throw that would seem necessary. I think he's while
Speaker 1: while away. Yeah, I mean the Steelers they can't be
Speaker 1: the same team. And you know, we talked about it
Speaker 1: Sunday night, the issues with you know, his lack of
Speaker 1: connection with Antonio Brown and if you just look at
Speaker 1: how different this team is when Big Ben isn't on
Speaker 1: the field, like in terms of what they're capable of doing,
Speaker 1: and completely levels the field Big Band and Shazir Shazir.
Speaker 1: I know he's not Big Ben, but I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to be the best player on their defense
Speaker 1: and one of the only chances. I guess Stefonte, how
Speaker 1: many games has he played? He only played two this year,
Speaker 1: right before he hurt the shoulder. I think he got
Speaker 1: hurt in Week three and so that that's a big problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's not expected to be back. Martavis Bryant, though,
Speaker 1: is coming off of his suspension. He could have last week,
Speaker 1: but they didn't activate him. He will play in this game,
Speaker 1: so that that could give him a little boost. Well,
Speaker 1: he got hurt in practice last week. That was so
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's fully healthy. But he is fully
Speaker 1: practicing and not on the week six injury part. I
Speaker 1: think because they're so well coached and they're a veteran team, Um,
Speaker 1: they are a team the Cardinals are less susceptible to
Speaker 1: overlooking opponents and having down weeks. And that won't even
Speaker 1: be a problem this week because Bruce Arians has some
Speaker 1: revenge factor going on after the Steelers treated him so poorly,
Speaker 1: blamed everything on him when he had a great offense,
Speaker 1: and that you'd hear the owner and the coach, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to run the ball a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and Arian's offense would just be dynamic. And then basically
Speaker 1: they tried to get him to retire. They well they did,
Speaker 1: they announced his retirements. One of the craziest things that's happened.
Speaker 1: Not only that, they leaked out these stories about you know,
Speaker 1: he he has to run the ball more or else
Speaker 1: he can't stay or else he's going to retire. I
Speaker 1: remember exactly the reporter they leaked it out too. Then
Speaker 1: they try to retire him. And the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: two years later they realize, oh, yeah, we have Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: We're gonna run that bombs away offense, except you're doing
Speaker 1: it with a slightly worse or a worse offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: with Todd Haley. And they gave Arians a laundry list
Speaker 1: of you know, mid tier backs at best, and then
Speaker 1: here comes Haley and he's got Levy on Bell. The
Speaker 1: Arians is one of the only coaches where I think
Speaker 1: this would actually make a difference for the players that
Speaker 1: they want to go out and and crush the Steelers
Speaker 1: for areas I don't think players would really care in
Speaker 1: most cases, but Arians, I think is the exception. I
Speaker 1: agree everyone took the Cardinals to take care of business
Speaker 1: against the Vic led Steelers. Moving on, the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: is our last one PM game. The Dolphins are heading
Speaker 1: to Nashville to face the Titans. Is the first game
Speaker 1: for interim Dolphins coach Dan Campbell. Who had this interesting quote.
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to the Dan Campbell all right,
Speaker 1: I mentioned that at this quote. When I start thinking,
Speaker 1: I got to say, how I imagine he was saying,
Speaker 1: what do I start thinking about Sunday a little too much?
Speaker 1: I start wanted to throw up a little bit. It's
Speaker 1: basically like a w WF wrestler. He's the ultimate warrior,
Speaker 1: except his move is throwing up vomiting. This finished move
Speaker 1: is vomiting. That would that would be distracting though, if
Speaker 1: you're a Titans player and you just see the coach
Speaker 1: just barfing all over the place, like that's Donovan McNab's move.
Speaker 1: Barfing is always underrated. So, yeah, this is the first
Speaker 1: game for Dan Campbell and a Dolphins team that really
Speaker 1: potentially could just be going down in flames. Now we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens there. One in three the Titans a
Speaker 1: also one in three, but different vibe around that's he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ken wizzen Hunt really raised my iron and I won't
Speaker 1: be picking the Titans in any game the rest of
Speaker 1: the year, because if you don't want to win a
Speaker 1: football game, then I'm not gonna pick you. And he
Speaker 1: didn't want to win last week. I'll have no fury
Speaker 1: like a West scorn. He didn't want to win. He
Speaker 1: just wanted not to lose. I I was thinking of
Speaker 1: you as I watched this game, because it was wildly
Speaker 1: infuriating to see him punt multiple times on fourth and
Speaker 1: two at the forty, to try to punt with three
Speaker 1: sixteen left down one, it was insane. I think I
Speaker 1: think I read somewhere that only one team in the
Speaker 1: NFL ever punted in the first half in the in
Speaker 1: the opponent's forty yard line, and Wizzen Hunt did it
Speaker 1: twice in one game. The QB whisper, Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: wants to have done with that guy. Okay. I liked
Speaker 1: how they let Mariota or maybe he just did himself.
Speaker 1: I like that Mariota started running last week because he
Speaker 1: could be you know, one should be doing that way more.
Speaker 1: He ran for more yards last week than he did
Speaker 1: in the first three weeks combined. He also almost out
Speaker 1: rushed the rest of the Titans running backs on twenty
Speaker 1: three less attempts. That whole three pack. Let's give seven
Speaker 1: carries to Andrews, mccluster and Sanky is just depressed. What
Speaker 1: the hell is going on with that team. Antonio Andrews
Speaker 1: runs a four nine forty and they're using them as
Speaker 1: they're running back. What are you? Harry Douglas is out
Speaker 1: there is their number one receiver. Get some buyers, Tennessee
Speaker 1: play the right ones. I would rather be called a
Speaker 1: communist in nineteen fifties America than be a coach labeled
Speaker 1: a quarterback whisper doom coming your way. You know, Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler is going to be, you know, skeptical of you
Speaker 1: if you get that label. You hate the quarterback whispers.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when it's attached to Ken wizen Hunt.
Speaker 1: He's gotta work, you know. One thing, Mariotta just watching
Speaker 1: them has gotta you know. One thing he doesn't do
Speaker 1: is ever complete a deep pass to Everything he does
Speaker 1: is really impressive. He's so calm in the pocket. I
Speaker 1: still love watching him every week. But they cannot get
Speaker 1: anything going down the field. Mark, you and I both
Speaker 1: took the Texans in this or the Titans in this game.
Speaker 1: The rest of the crew took the fish bad move.
Speaker 1: Rest of crew moving on. The San Diego Chargers are
Speaker 1: the next victims to stroll into Lambeau Field. They will
Speaker 1: face the Packers, who have not lost at lambeau Field
Speaker 1: on the stat I dug up, not with the research notes,
Speaker 1: but just on my own time. Uh, they have not
Speaker 1: lost a game at lambeau Field since eighteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: first year Civil War. That's crazy. That was Augustus Lombardies team. Right.
Speaker 1: What's great is you will get a sincere tweet or
Speaker 1: couple from people correcting you on that it's happened, and
Speaker 1: it happened, will happen again. The Chargers. Uh yeah, the
Speaker 1: most annoying if well, listen, if the Titans are the
Speaker 1: Titans of the most annoying offense and football, the charges
Speaker 1: for me or the second I can't watch anymore. This
Speaker 1: terrible offensive line that Phil Rivers has to play within
Speaker 1: his back end of his prime, all these three yard passes,
Speaker 1: the god forsaken wide receiver screens. I don't think any
Speaker 1: of this is gonna work. When you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: score at least thirty five points to win this game,
Speaker 1: I think the Packers are gonna trout some anybody disagree,
Speaker 1: totally agree. This couldn't be a worse matchup for the
Speaker 1: Chargers with an offensive line that went into last week's game.
Speaker 1: I think with three reserves starting and had to replace
Speaker 1: three more guys during the game. That that's the thing
Speaker 1: they've been unlucky for. In their defense, They've literally had
Speaker 1: five different centers in five different left guard combat. Well,
Speaker 1: now they play against the number one past defense in
Speaker 1: the NFL according to Football Outsiders Metrics, in a team
Speaker 1: with twenty sacks, second in the NFL and sacks, this
Speaker 1: is a brutal matchup for the Georges. Even though Girley
Speaker 1: ran for a hundred and fifty nine on Green Bay
Speaker 1: last week, I still think that their run defense looked
Speaker 1: pretty good. That's how was that? That's true. I do
Speaker 1: want to see how the Packers offense comes out in
Speaker 1: this game. This is not the toughest matchup in the world.
Speaker 1: They have not looked like the Packers offense for two
Speaker 1: straight weeks. I think it's fair to wonder why they've
Speaker 1: only scored seventeen points uh in back to back weeks.
Speaker 1: They could not sustain drives against the Rams at all.
Speaker 1: They had at one point they had five straight drives
Speaker 1: without a score, then they get one touchdown, then it's
Speaker 1: another four or five without a score. Really, what they're
Speaker 1: getting is the occasional great big play from Rogers, and
Speaker 1: that's it. They're not They're not really moving the ball
Speaker 1: that well, especially throwing. I mean you take away Davante,
Speaker 1: Adams and Nelson. Maybe maybe that's it. You need to
Speaker 1: get Eddie Late he back on track. Yeah, if you are.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're a fantasy owner and there's
Speaker 1: an owner that has Eddie Lacy that's getting impatient, go
Speaker 1: get him because he will get hot and have roughly
Speaker 1: it's almost like games. It's almost like he used to
Speaker 1: work for Rotor Wild with that advice right there, thank you.
Speaker 1: By the way, James Jones is on pace for yards
Speaker 1: and sixteen touchdowns this year. You mean Justin Blackman if
Speaker 1: he what did I say? Well, no, it's we We've
Speaker 1: established that. It's essentially Justin Blackman went into Green Bay
Speaker 1: and took James Jones's identity and James Jones is living
Speaker 1: in you know, you know what, I'd be happy that
Speaker 1: would mean that Justin's back on track physically and splitting.
Speaker 1: It's a good deal, forever deal for everyone. Jones doesn't
Speaker 1: have to do anything. Jones touchdowns and almost thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 1: That's a comeback player of the Year, right, well, he's
Speaker 1: got to beat out half the Cardinals roster for that award.
Speaker 1: But before before we move on quickly, Uh, you might
Speaker 1: get your you don't like watching this offense, Dan hann
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out there, I already don't like
Speaker 1: what is No you should I've heard some whispers. It's
Speaker 1: been whispers around the league, Mike McCoy, but might be
Speaker 1: one of those coaching names to watch if they don't
Speaker 1: end up with a winning season. It's his fault. Every
Speaker 1: center he plays gets hurt. It's a little surprising, but
Speaker 1: a lot of times there's different reasons for why coaches
Speaker 1: you know aren't popular. What are you trying to say, No, I,
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. In this case, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's surprising to me, considering his results, that you want
Speaker 1: to kick off the l A regime with a shiny
Speaker 1: new coach. Sometimes you're privy to league wide scuttle. But
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you had something. No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm most surprised too, But I think I think
Speaker 1: he's got to win. Maybe they don't like those boring
Speaker 1: attacks either. We all picked the Packers, with the exception
Speaker 1: of Connor he's kidding. Listen of Mark and joke. I
Speaker 1: can joke too. I like jokes. Alright, guys, it is
Speaker 1: that time of the show where we welcome in television royalty.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sugarcoat this at all.
Speaker 1: This guy, uh we just before we started said he
Speaker 1: gets recognized at sporting events. Well you ask you didn't
Speaker 1: volunteer the information. I'm going to Game five the nld
Speaker 1: S and your first question is how many times do
Speaker 1: you get recognized? That's fair and Andrew Siciliano, by the
Speaker 1: way of NFL Network, Hey guys, if I'm royalty, what
Speaker 1: does that like make real royalty here? Like like Marshal
Speaker 1: Er or Michael They're just g DM crew, They're just
Speaker 1: ex jocks. You're the real Starry Andrew. Don't let anyone
Speaker 1: tell you different. Their home and their massive palaces. They
Speaker 1: won't even know this conversation happened to the royalty side.
Speaker 1: This is this is your moment to shine as a king.
Speaker 1: All right. So Andrew is with us here. He is
Speaker 1: going to Game five of the NLDS the Medicine Dodgers.
Speaker 1: We will talk about that before he leaves, but for now,
Speaker 1: let's talk about some football. Let's keep going with the
Speaker 1: games and uh. We will start with uh with Andrew
Speaker 1: the car Atlanta Panthers heading to Seattle to face the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: The Panthers, of course four and no Seattle two and three.
Speaker 1: Uh in a spot where they cannot they cannot struggle
Speaker 1: at home in this spot here. So here we go
Speaker 1: a big matchup between two teams that could hell, they
Speaker 1: could see each other in January. But the Seahawks Andrews Sicilian,
Speaker 1: I don't have to start winning now, Yeah they do? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you said the Carolina Panthers, of course four. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think that most people knew the like and I
Speaker 1: don't think the of course they're actually fits, not criticizing you,
Speaker 1: actually commenting the fact that no one knows the Panthers
Speaker 1: are undefeating. No, no, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: had ted ginn on last week and you know they
Speaker 1: had the buy and I said, does anyone around where
Speaker 1: you live know that you guys haven't lost a game yet?
Speaker 1: And and he kind of laughed at it. And I
Speaker 1: think they're enjoying it because they are quote unquote under
Speaker 1: the radar. But if you ask your average fan on
Speaker 1: the street name the undefeat the teams of the sixth remaining.
Speaker 1: I bet you most wouldn't get the Carolina Panthers. And
Speaker 1: this is a huge test for them because they're on
Speaker 1: the road, They're they're against the defense that inexplicably blew
Speaker 1: a seven teen point fourth quarter lead last week. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm actually more curious to see how Carolina does in
Speaker 1: this game than I am how Seattle does. But on
Speaker 1: the Seattle side of things, I mean, they've gotta somehow
Speaker 1: protect Russell. Imagine if Russell Wilson weren't mobile, he's already
Speaker 1: on pace to be right, he's on pace to be
Speaker 1: sacked a David Carr esque seventy times. Little know in fact,
Speaker 1: this is the first time all year that the Panthers
Speaker 1: are not playing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Well that's a
Speaker 1: that's a great point there. They played the Jaguars, the Texans,
Speaker 1: the Saints, and the Bucks. So the undefeated mark is
Speaker 1: probably just not respected. I think there's two things to
Speaker 1: play here with this game. If the Panthers win on
Speaker 1: the road in Seattle, everyone's gonna buy in and say
Speaker 1: this is the real deal. And on the flip side.
Speaker 1: If the Seahawks lose, it will go from everyone being like, well,
Speaker 1: they're just they just gotta find their legs. They're the
Speaker 1: same way last year. But if they lose in their
Speaker 1: building to the Panthers and they fall to two and four,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some panic in the air and people
Speaker 1: are gonna think this might not be their year. Well,
Speaker 1: and there should be panic if they go to two
Speaker 1: and four, and I fully expect this game to come
Speaker 1: down to the last five minutes of the game. Is
Speaker 1: the fourth straight year these teams have played. Every time
Speaker 1: they play, it's close, and every time it's seemily in
Speaker 1: Carolina too that that's true, but they play similar styles
Speaker 1: that they want to win with defense and running and
Speaker 1: not open it up. And even with Cam Newton playing
Speaker 1: so well and everyone expected his offensive line to be terrible,
Speaker 1: granted they have not played great teams, but they've played
Speaker 1: pretty well for the most part. I would throw Michael
Speaker 1: or out of that. He hasn't played well, but for
Speaker 1: the most parts he's been fine, and for the most
Speaker 1: they're protecting Cam Newton. Well, my point is they're not
Speaker 1: like a big brother. They're they're not you know, everybody
Speaker 1: likes to pick on Michael Horror and he's been fine.
Speaker 1: You vote up there a little bit just for the record,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you don't want to mess with a boat
Speaker 1: up west. He gets a certain like tone of his voice,
Speaker 1: and you could you could tell him like the Earth
Speaker 1: is round. He's not gonna believe you. He's got his
Speaker 1: his vantage point. And my point I was trying to
Speaker 1: get to these teams. It's not like the Panthers are
Speaker 1: gonna run away and hide or the Seahawks. The way
Speaker 1: this offense is playing, it's a lackluster offense. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a twelve to ten type of game. That's just
Speaker 1: who these teams are. I want to see on the ground,
Speaker 1: Like Thomas Rawls looked great against the Bengals, better than
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch has and but the Panthers have given has
Speaker 1: never been healthy this year, and for the most part,
Speaker 1: the offensive line for the seas I thought played pretty
Speaker 1: well in that game if it all fell apart late,
Speaker 1: especially passing the ball, but for the most part it
Speaker 1: was their best game of The Panthers have given up
Speaker 1: under a hundred yards the first three games the year
Speaker 1: before last last week before the by I mean they
Speaker 1: they've been good against the run to two bits of
Speaker 1: news here. Also one bit of news, Derrek Coleman, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks fullback, was arrested on Thursday. Um he started two
Speaker 1: games with me. He's been in the picture for them
Speaker 1: for a while hit and run and vehicular assault or
Speaker 1: the charger. So he was immediately suspended by the team.
Speaker 1: So he's out of the picture. Who knows what's going
Speaker 1: on with Derrick Coleman. He's a fullback. Obviously not gonna
Speaker 1: win or lose this game, but that's a notable loss
Speaker 1: as well for the team. Can I raise my hand
Speaker 1: one more time and say, how in the hell do
Speaker 1: they lose that game last week? Well, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: being deserves a lot of it, and he didn't. He
Speaker 1: didn't get any blame me through a red zone interception.
Speaker 1: And then once the lou not lou Roles Thomas Ross
Speaker 1: maybe got that and the defense scored. They had three
Speaker 1: first downs in their next six drives. And he missed
Speaker 1: open receivers and some of that's on Darryl Bevil for
Speaker 1: going run run pass every time, but this never shows
Speaker 1: up in the box score. Wilson does miss some open
Speaker 1: guys where he just doesn't see them, like it's nothing
Speaker 1: that anyone ever picks on. But he'll have open guys
Speaker 1: and it gets blamed on the offensive line because then
Speaker 1: he starts running around and he gets sacked. But he
Speaker 1: could have delivered some open paths. How about Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: Peggy throws down field? How about Andy picking on Cam Chancellor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this from Chris Wesley in the NFL Media Research notes,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, we know the running game. By the way,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this. The Carol Caroline Panthers is
Speaker 1: not taken off with the running backs. Cam is rushed
Speaker 1: for a hundred ninety five yards of forty three carries,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. He's on pace for a hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: two rushes this season that would destroy an NFL record
Speaker 1: held out a quarterback that ran a hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one times for the Chicago Bears once upon the top
Speaker 1: of seventies exactly, Chris Rustling, Bobby Douglas. That is a
Speaker 1: lot of Carrecter, Cam Newton and a lot of wear
Speaker 1: and tear. Got is a relevant nugget that you saw.
Speaker 1: That's what I dug out of that research. Dan is
Speaker 1: a scorned individual who has Jonathan Stewart in his fantasy backfield. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta say you can put that one on me.
Speaker 1: You West, who was my uh my draft consultant on
Speaker 1: draft Day, were four and one. We're doing okay, trub
Speaker 1: You were involved with the hiring process, scoped out the
Speaker 1: talent and hired ownership share Mark Sessler. Cessler had Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner's his draft day consultant. I am on this team
Speaker 1: and I actually, you know the best thing about Draft
Speaker 1: Day of the movie, by the way, not the movie itself,
Speaker 1: which was bad, but we got to see a screening
Speaker 1: of it for the NFL media. Somehow. They were like,
Speaker 1: come to our movie and they cornered Mark famously. As
Speaker 1: we know, Mark gave them some some nuggets that being
Speaker 1: on movie posters. All right, it's the greatest thing that's
Speaker 1: ever happened. What was it? It was like, what was
Speaker 1: the exact quote? Thank god the Browns one. No, I
Speaker 1: do not remember what the quote was, but I can
Speaker 1: tell you that I initially tweeted out West and I
Speaker 1: both Yes, we gave it a B plus. It was
Speaker 1: better than most people. Yeah, I think you said something.
Speaker 1: I guess the Casablanca of sports not. The point I
Speaker 1: was trying to get to is the thing that Mark
Speaker 1: was upset about when we left the theater was that
Speaker 1: Joe Banner had a cameo in the film, to the
Speaker 1: point where Mark was saying, seriously, you know, somebody should
Speaker 1: talk to him about pulling him out of the because
Speaker 1: he had been a bad message. Well, he had been fired.
Speaker 1: That's why it was not trying to ruin Joe Banners
Speaker 1: acting careers that we all we all pick up Seahawks.
Speaker 1: We'll pick the Seahawks. Can I have ten second story?
Speaker 1: I promise about Draft Day. So we're at the premiere, Okay, humble, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a fact. Get recognized that Westwood. Actually they're no,
Speaker 1: not at all. It's all movie stars were at the premiere.
Speaker 1: So after the premiere, you know, Darlington's are Jeff Darlington, right,
Speaker 1: who who lives in Miami. I call him Jeff Dalfington's
Speaker 1: on the air because we often send him to Davy.
Speaker 1: So Darlington had something in the movie, but it was
Speaker 1: cut I think right. He was at the bar, the
Speaker 1: at the bar, in the party, and he actually had
Speaker 1: a line that was cut right where he said something
Speaker 1: to cost So we're at the premiere afterwards. At the
Speaker 1: party afterwards, I think we've had a drink and Costner's
Speaker 1: over there with a bunch of people around him, and
Speaker 1: Darlington and Alex Marvez was there too, our good friend
Speaker 1: from got cut. He got cut, they got cut, and
Speaker 1: Darlington goes basically and I'm cleaning this up. The hell
Speaker 1: with this, I'm going in. So Marve is and I
Speaker 1: get right behind Darlington and imagine Marvez with his ponytail here,
Speaker 1: So I'm in front, I'm behind Darlington, Marvez behind me,
Speaker 1: and basically Darlington bust right into Costner's conversation. It's just dangerous.
Speaker 1: It's just and then basically it's just walls everyone else
Speaker 1: off and does the I'm Jeff Darlington, we met, I
Speaker 1: I my scene got cut and oh my god, and
Speaker 1: Costner played ball and so we all stood there. Ended
Speaker 1: up having a good conversation with Kevin Costner about Field
Speaker 1: of Dreams and all this other stuff too. Because Jeff
Speaker 1: Darlington dogged reporter that he is to sit just I
Speaker 1: am going in. He's like Adrian Brody working with Terence
Speaker 1: Mallick and thin red Line. I didn't get that one,
Speaker 1: but sure, okay, well, if we're gonna tell one more
Speaker 1: Draft day story. By the way, just railroad me on
Speaker 1: trying to explain why that quote came out the way
Speaker 1: it did. I'm not idiot. I am sort of an
Speaker 1: idiot though, because I was heart well. No, I wrote
Speaker 1: them a full paragraph and I learned a lesson because
Speaker 1: when you get put on one of these movies past things,
Speaker 1: they used like two words of it, and I wrote
Speaker 1: it with like three glasses of wine and me in
Speaker 1: South Carolina on a semi vacation. Terrible idea. Never review
Speaker 1: a movie South Carolina. My story is they were filming
Speaker 1: part of that at Radio City Music Hall at the
Speaker 1: Draft in two thousand twelve, I believe. And I had
Speaker 1: gotten there my first day and I was in the
Speaker 1: process of getting my security badge. And they have a
Speaker 1: little room at Radio City and Frank Lngella, the veteran
Speaker 1: actor who played the owner of the Browns of the film,
Speaker 1: was sitting there and you could tell they had been
Speaker 1: filming during the day and he's losing his patients a
Speaker 1: little bit, and uh, he needed to get some type
Speaker 1: of badge I think for the for the movie or
Speaker 1: some type of clearance. And eventually Langella, who looks very
Speaker 1: he's losing patients. Just walks out of Radio City Music
Speaker 1: Hall and like I fought and see him just kind
Speaker 1: of walking down the street down sixth Avenue, and then
Speaker 1: sure enough there comes like four p a screaming into
Speaker 1: the room minutes later, like where's Frank? Where's Frank? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Frank's baby. All right? One, what's the one
Speaker 1: more game with Andrew? Let's talk about the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: and the San Francisco forty Niners. Okay, so listen, not
Speaker 1: a great game here. We got a one in four
Speaker 1: team against the one in four team that one of
Speaker 1: our feel like you're ptentionally holding the Browns and Broncos
Speaker 1: out from me. We next week. We'll get him in
Speaker 1: next week. So this is a rematch of the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: So you can try to pump that up if you want, CBS,
Speaker 1: good luck with that. But the truth of matter, these
Speaker 1: are two bad teams. Uh maybe one is way worse
Speaker 1: than the other, Chris Westling, But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, two teams that we've forked and don't believe
Speaker 1: have any chance already of the season. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any debate they're both bad teams. I picked
Speaker 1: the forty niners because they've played so much better at
Speaker 1: home than they have on the road. They have been
Speaker 1: just they've been the worst defense in the NFL when
Speaker 1: they've played on the road, and they've been pretty they've
Speaker 1: been a pretty good backbone at home. They they held
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to seventeen points in their last home game.
Speaker 1: And it's hard not to watch this matchup and and
Speaker 1: think of the super Bowl that was on our network,
Speaker 1: UH this week, where Colin Kaepernick was a strangely time
Speaker 1: time out away from scoring about thirty thirty eight points
Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl. He'd be a super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but with a great performance in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, he was in the end zone. It's it's
Speaker 1: crazy how much changes, because I mean, the Ravens are
Speaker 1: a shell of that team that that team had an
Speaker 1: up and down defense. That defense is totally gone. Uh.
Speaker 1: The offense no longer has nearly the same threat. It
Speaker 1: might as well be fifteen years ago, and it really
Speaker 1: it was only three seasons ago and then and it's
Speaker 1: all gone. You know what struck me for watching the
Speaker 1: Ravens this week? I love me some Mazzy Newsom and
Speaker 1: Ozzy is a unique individual in this sport in that
Speaker 1: you can make a compelling argument that he deserves to
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame, not only as a
Speaker 1: player he's already there, but as an exact he did
Speaker 1: as well. He's that good and he has had great,
Speaker 1: a great track record, other than his inability to draft
Speaker 1: wide receivers, which is odd considering the position he played.
Speaker 1: Um Travis Taylor, Mark Taylor, Mark Clayton. I mean Tory
Speaker 1: Smith worked, but I mean not exactly. Let's say they
Speaker 1: they were all underwhelmed considering what we thought they would
Speaker 1: be when they were drinking. Is by far his best.
Speaker 1: By and Brashad Perriman. For whatever reason, it's an injury.
Speaker 1: Azz He can't predict those. It hasn't worked yet this year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it will for the kid eventually. But with the
Speaker 1: injuries to the secondary, and Azzi promised he would never
Speaker 1: let what happened last year with his secondary happened this year.
Speaker 1: The secondary is not good. They're beset by injuries again.
Speaker 1: You know, they had to get a guy like Jason
Speaker 1: Babbitt off the street because Darrell Suggs gets hurt. Then
Speaker 1: Babbitt had two stupid penalties this past week and he
Speaker 1: ends up on the street um their thinnest running back.
Speaker 1: We all know that Justin Forceet was was a guy
Speaker 1: who were happy for him that late in his career
Speaker 1: came on and he probably isn't the long term answer.
Speaker 1: Tallya Pharo's now hurt as well. Sure, the offensive line,
Speaker 1: it's nice, but then what else do you have there?
Speaker 1: You got a quarterback and they they don't have play
Speaker 1: hasn't right? They run the ball, okay, but they do
Speaker 1: not protect Fla. Flacco is not the problem. I think
Speaker 1: he's playing just fine. It's really everything. They have no
Speaker 1: playmakers on the team, They have none more sets coming
Speaker 1: off his best game of the year, but he's he
Speaker 1: injured his ankle and I think in late in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter over time, so he might not even play
Speaker 1: this when not lost. If Steve Allen or Steve Smith
Speaker 1: and Crocket Gilmore were healthy, probably considering the state of
Speaker 1: the Brown secondary, sure absolutely, and and look, maybe Max
Speaker 1: Williams will be the guy in Crocket Guilmore can make
Speaker 1: some plays. But you look at that team and you say,
Speaker 1: all right, without Steve Smith, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You're gonna go You're gonna go four and twelve. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's crazy, it's it's and again I'm not putting it
Speaker 1: all feet but this was a team that intelligent people
Speaker 1: said was a super Bowl team coming into the season,
Speaker 1: no reason to think they weren't. They were absolutly a
Speaker 1: super Bowl team last year despite a ton of injuries.
Speaker 1: Then they are a Josh Scobie missed kick or a
Speaker 1: Todd Hailey bad play call away from being over five. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I still I struggled to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around them not going on a run. And at this
Speaker 1: point they're so far in the hole it will probably
Speaker 1: have them finished eight and eight. A complete meltdown with
Speaker 1: what they have a quarterback coach and GM and some
Speaker 1: players in the Rocks stunned, we'll go have five and
Speaker 1: eleven or something. Is not a complete meltdown when you
Speaker 1: started one and four, and what and what has been
Speaker 1: consistently bad about them from game to game is not
Speaker 1: gonna suddenly get fixed in a flukey way. They legitimately
Speaker 1: just can't match up two teams that Connor connor or
Speaker 1: and myself we both picked the Ravens. The rest of
Speaker 1: the crew picked the Niners. So uh, that tells you
Speaker 1: a lot about where the Ravens. No one wants Jim
Speaker 1: tom sewel Ha to go crazy. I feel like if
Speaker 1: he loses one or two more games, he's going to
Speaker 1: go crazy, losing sweating like an absolute mad man. Someone
Speaker 1: like trapped in a runaway train. Tell him to stop.
Speaker 1: We're in a velvet sweatsuit everywherezz um or valor whatever
Speaker 1: that thing is. I like the Ravens here as well.
Speaker 1: Um and I'll just tell you from from friends back there.
Speaker 1: I grew up an hour south of there. Those people
Speaker 1: are stunned. And if they're stunted, I assume the team
Speaker 1: is stunned that they lost to the Browns. And this
Speaker 1: isn't me pumping up the Browns. They had beaten him
Speaker 1: thirteen out of fourteen. They still cannot fathom north stomach
Speaker 1: that that's where they fall into. Well, that was that
Speaker 1: was the game that market. That's the game that told
Speaker 1: you everything you need to know about them, because they
Speaker 1: just assumed despite that and they're gonna win. Get back
Speaker 1: on track. And you mentioned the five and eleven, and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be a total disaster coming off one and
Speaker 1: three to start. But this is an organization. They've had
Speaker 1: one losing season since two thousands. I'm saying it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a surprise, would be a disaster. Yeah. The around
Speaker 1: the NFL television show NFL Network, which Greg Rosenthal stole
Speaker 1: the show on today. Greg was on this show today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the QB called names by Mike Silver, I should
Speaker 1: have gone back. What name did he call you? That
Speaker 1: Raider hater? I mean, he just makes any point he
Speaker 1: can against the Raiders, acts like he's the most unbiased
Speaker 1: journalist apologist. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday, six pm Eastern Thursday,
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Speaker 1: they will either know that you are a genius, right
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Speaker 1: game will be already be over. It's amazing that the
Speaker 1: Dodgers one forty two to move on to the NLC. Okay,
Speaker 1: here you go, and football equivalent to the bat flip.
Speaker 1: Before you go that theory is a football equivalent to
Speaker 1: the bat flip, I mean, it isn't exactly t o.
Speaker 1: Standing on the star m um. Ray Ratto had a
Speaker 1: great one today. He said the baseball unwritten rule is
Speaker 1: don't do anything to anger me, and clearly Jose Batista
Speaker 1: did that. But I think, and I tweeted this this morning,
Speaker 1: son of Judy Batista, by the way, stop it. We
Speaker 1: need to we need to stop calling what Jose Batista
Speaker 1: did a bat flip. And I'm not I couldn't care
Speaker 1: less in the sportsmanship here. He didn't flip the bat.
Speaker 1: He threw it. He threw it like a javelin. Okay,
Speaker 1: And and that is why that the Rangers are so
Speaker 1: ticked off. He didn't flip the bat. I mean he
Speaker 1: threw that thing like a jet. He was trying to
Speaker 1: take out next time. If you don't want him with you,
Speaker 1: you think criticizing, I'm not saying that semantic. The semantics
Speaker 1: are wrong here. It was not a bat flip. Stop
Speaker 1: calling it a bat flip. And also, if you want
Speaker 1: to be mad, be mad that you made three consecutive
Speaker 1: errors before the end, miss judge to pop up. They
Speaker 1: choked defensively, gag. I mean rankings, those poor rankings. The
Speaker 1: Rangers away up, Hig, I'll tell you that. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are literal league plays, catch the ball when it's
Speaker 1: thrown to you at a base and they couldn't execute them.
Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more. And I know
Speaker 1: nothing about the sport. Andrew, you've said it all. That
Speaker 1: is a brick tamblin answer right there, Andrew, you've said
Speaker 1: it all. Thank you for joining us, and enjoy yourself
Speaker 1: at the game, and be careful in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: For God's sake, it's raunchy out there. Good night, Thank
Speaker 1: you bout it. Moving on Sunday night football. Everybody likes
Speaker 1: Sunday night football. The New England Patriots, Oh they're so good.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves the Oh they've been cleared of any wrongdoing,
Speaker 1: and they have a hot, sexy, sexy successful quarterback and
Speaker 1: there might be the best offense ever. And now they
Speaker 1: get to face who else but the Indianapolis Colts, the
Speaker 1: very team who snitched. Snitches get stitches, and all those
Speaker 1: stitches might get applied Sunday night because the big showdown revenge.
Speaker 1: It's the flake Gate. Snitches get sixty points dropped on
Speaker 1: him sixty Burger six. You think Rodney Harrison, one of you,
Speaker 1: one of your favorite characters in NFL history, said this
Speaker 1: week this is a good quote. I know a little something.
Speaker 1: You attack the quarterback, you accused them of doing some
Speaker 1: cheating and things like that. They're going to try and
Speaker 1: put up fifty points and embarrass you. But they're trying
Speaker 1: to do that every week. And he's not talking about
Speaker 1: just the Colts, but the cults are coming. They're gonna
Speaker 1: get what's coming to him for subjecting the entire country
Speaker 1: to the most ridiculous controversy we've ever seen. Dan got
Speaker 1: me thinking, everyone does love these Patriots, as you said,
Speaker 1: you know, great looking quarter everything. Maybe we could have
Speaker 1: more than one team of a t L. It seems
Speaker 1: of a t L. Let's get the patriotsato sack out.
Speaker 1: What about a lovable this throne of sleeves, get this
Speaker 1: thrown of sleeves out of my life. It's a lovable upstarts.
Speaker 1: I'm on board. West is not crazy with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: and straight up, by the way, he is a non
Speaker 1: He's a football historian who appreciate that team. It's not crazy.
Speaker 1: Sixty Burger forty five to seven a f C title game.
Speaker 1: Patriots only up seventeen to seven and half they played
Speaker 1: the first half the way they did the second they
Speaker 1: easily get to six. Forty five is not even their average.
Speaker 1: They average like forty seven against the Colts the last
Speaker 1: four or five times they played. I will point to
Speaker 1: history two thousand seven, spy Gate. It was the Jets,
Speaker 1: of course that turned in the Patriots. And I remember
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan, P and my pants. It was
Speaker 1: on the scale. My pants was soaked with all this P.
Speaker 1: I need to change them, how to change my under
Speaker 1: pants and my pants? So it was so much P.
Speaker 1: Because it was a bad Jet team. I think they
Speaker 1: went four and twelve that year. I think Pennington got hurt.
Speaker 1: Jets for the least of your problems. And and what
Speaker 1: happened was at at Foxboro. Everyone thought it would be
Speaker 1: a sixty burger whatever, it would be twenty to ten.
Speaker 1: The Patriots won, and Brady, who threw fifty touchdowns that year,
Speaker 1: was I think the only game you didn't have a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. All I'm saying is just because they really
Speaker 1: want to kill the cults, it doesn't mean we necessarily
Speaker 1: well that was the last effective version of the droid
Speaker 1: that is Brady. They've updated the model. He's not much
Speaker 1: more dangerous. That's an actually a good question. Do you
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady now is better than Tom Brady two
Speaker 1: thousand seven GA. No, I don't think it's that close.
Speaker 1: So I also don't think it's gonna help to lose
Speaker 1: Nates Solder for the season. They're gonna try to play
Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon at left tackle. That's a guy Solder they
Speaker 1: just paid huge money to and he wasn't and he
Speaker 1: wasn't playing well, wasn't playing great, and either way going
Speaker 1: to kill him this week against that. I think they
Speaker 1: lead the league in line changes and adjustments and it
Speaker 1: hasn't affected them one bit. I believe it was Sam
Speaker 1: Matson at PFF that sweeted out that Patriots Brady gets
Speaker 1: the ball out on average two point one seconds, which
Speaker 1: plays to having a taking advantage of if your line
Speaker 1: isn't that great, be able to get the ball out.
Speaker 1: So they'll be fine. Dan, I don't think the Patriots
Speaker 1: are gonna drop sixty points on them just because they're mad.
Speaker 1: It's because they always beat the living tar out of
Speaker 1: the courts that it's just the most one sided matchup
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Here comes the chair of floating in.
Speaker 1: There's a harp? Why are there's thunderclouds? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm changing my prediction that I am now predict the
Speaker 1: final score eighty four to three Patriots when Colts. Basically,
Speaker 1: that's your content if you're a cult stand out there
Speaker 1: and you want to hope Andrew luck through with quote
Speaker 1: no restrictions in the portion of practice open to the media.
Speaker 1: Is that good Thursday? According to the Indianapolis Star, well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose their the tenth best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: Manna be throwing some with some restrictions on Sunday night.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so it will be, if nothing else, will
Speaker 1: be fascinating theater to see how that game plays out.
Speaker 1: Which takes us to Monday night Football, and I think
Speaker 1: I think we all took the pets there. We did
Speaker 1: Monday if up on the New York Giants playing their
Speaker 1: seven straight primetime game. Uh, they had to Philadelphia to
Speaker 1: face the Eagles. UM, I don't know. This is a
Speaker 1: tough game because the division is so hard to figure out.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really good, no one's truly terrible. So every team.
Speaker 1: Anybody can win any of these games. I the Giants
Speaker 1: might not have Odell Beckham, which could be a difference maker.
Speaker 1: But does anybody have a real strong handle on how
Speaker 1: this game is gonna play out? No, That's why I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, peaking at the picks. I'm surprised it so
Speaker 1: one side. I got a hero pick out of this.
Speaker 1: If we still did hero picks, I took the Giants.
Speaker 1: But I'm the only one in the group. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's how important Odell Beckham is to the Giants.
Speaker 1: I think without him they don't have a chance. I
Speaker 1: mean the Eagles, Yes, I do would agree with that,
Speaker 1: to a chance. I don't know they have a chance.
Speaker 1: The Eagles are the only team in in NFL history
Speaker 1: that offense could look fairly lousy when they score thirty
Speaker 1: nine points, or Sam Bradford at least could have a
Speaker 1: bad game when they scored thirty nine points. That didn't
Speaker 1: change change my mind on the Eagles often at all.
Speaker 1: Would have killed DeMarco Murray to make a defender miss
Speaker 1: r Ever, well, they need to just give him one
Speaker 1: fourth the touches they give to Ryan Matthews. Think we've
Speaker 1: been saying all summer and fall. This is what really
Speaker 1: disturbs me about Chip Kelly, a man who who we've
Speaker 1: called brilliant and innovative and thinks outside the box addresses
Speaker 1: problems not by doing what football coaches have always done.
Speaker 1: And here he is with this real corporate mindset. I've
Speaker 1: invested so much money into DeMarco Murray that he can't
Speaker 1: be allowed to fail. I'm gonna keep playing him even
Speaker 1: though Darren Spoils and Ryan Matthews are better than him.
Speaker 1: Don't you think it's a little early to pull the
Speaker 1: plug on Murray like that? Well, we don't know until
Speaker 1: about that. I think he's running like he did in
Speaker 1: December when he wasn't making anyone With running backs. You
Speaker 1: can tell how they're running pretty easily, and he looks
Speaker 1: like snowsuit Ray Rice right now, he just Ryan Matthews.
Speaker 1: You can It's easy to tell, even if you were
Speaker 1: ten feet away from the TV which running back it is.
Speaker 1: There was. I think you're exactly right. There was one
Speaker 1: play in that game last week where I could not
Speaker 1: believe Murray did not make the defender miss an open space.
Speaker 1: It was such an easy play to make, and he
Speaker 1: can't move laterally his twenty four yard game, which was
Speaker 1: his I think it must have been his longest run
Speaker 1: of the season, was actually a play where I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: if you have Ryan Matthews with that hole, he's going
Speaker 1: sixty yards because you had a pretty slow linebacker catching
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray on that play. It's the defense that's the
Speaker 1: reason they're two and three. The defense is in above
Speaker 1: average defense right well well above well above average. They
Speaker 1: they might have the best safety tandem in the league
Speaker 1: with Walter Thurman and Malcolm Jenkins right now. And they
Speaker 1: have one of the best defensive line tandems in the
Speaker 1: league with Fletcher Cox and Benny Logan. I mean, Benny
Speaker 1: Logan shows up every single week. Benny Logan shows up
Speaker 1: in Cox, who was great last year. I mean you
Speaker 1: had him at one point in the mix of defense
Speaker 1: top ten defensive players. He's backing it up with another
Speaker 1: big Jordan Hicks. Their third round rookie has been a
Speaker 1: mainstay lately in our Top ten Rookie of the Year watch.
Speaker 1: And that's why you can't count out the Eagles as
Speaker 1: much as I would love to, because I'd like to
Speaker 1: see Chip Kelly get has come up and for all
Speaker 1: Shenanigans over the last couple of years. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, they if they're gonna have a you know,
Speaker 1: top fifteen level defense, uh, and then you just count
Speaker 1: is that offense just gonna get going a little bit
Speaker 1: that's enough to win the division. This is not a
Speaker 1: great division. They were won in three two years ago,
Speaker 1: but that was an offense to put up I think
Speaker 1: eighty plays of twenty plus yards, which easily led the league.
Speaker 1: They were like twenty second in that category. And if
Speaker 1: you watch Bradford, he's basically just throwing to running backs
Speaker 1: and tight ends outside of Jordan Matthew and Matthews this season,
Speaker 1: he's not throwing the ball downfield. They're not creating. That's
Speaker 1: they're not the same offense they wore two seasons go
Speaker 1: at all. The only I mean last week he didn't
Speaker 1: really have one really impressive throw and he had three
Speaker 1: or four pretty bad ones. He had a terrible interception.
Speaker 1: Yet they still scored thirty nine points. They've they've moved
Speaker 1: the ball. At the end of the Washington game. This
Speaker 1: is a team it's so hard to know what to think.
Speaker 1: It just hit me though. West called Malcolm Jenkins, who
Speaker 1: has been fantastic and Walter Thurman the best safety tandem
Speaker 1: in the league. Did you say yeah, and the same
Speaker 1: league as Earl Thomas and Cam Chancellor. I mean no,
Speaker 1: I mean how they're playing this year. Earl Thomas hasn't
Speaker 1: played like Earl Thomas and Camp Chancellor got worked by
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Well, it's a good thing because Byron Maxwell
Speaker 1: as a disaster. Well, look at what Chip Kelly's done
Speaker 1: Byron Maxwell. He splurges on DeMarco Murray even though he
Speaker 1: already had Ryan Matthew splurges on him to steal away
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys. He gave Riley Cooper five years and
Speaker 1: twenty five million. Does Chip Kelly know what he's doing
Speaker 1: in personnel? What's kind of It's kind of like, uh, college,
Speaker 1: you just want someone then you go get him. So
Speaker 1: it's like here, Well, I don't know if he's thinking
Speaker 1: about the value of it all. How he rose money
Speaker 1: on some shed on the far side of the practice
Speaker 1: field they never use, laughing his ass off. He loves it.
Speaker 1: John Riggens used to have a five o'clock club in
Speaker 1: the shed at the Redskins practice facility where they would
Speaker 1: go after practice and drink beer. And then they would
Speaker 1: never let thisman join. All right, that's it for another
Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We'll be back
Speaker 1: on Sunday night with their big Week six recaps, and
Speaker 1: make sure you check that out. This is Dan Hanson
Speaker 1: signing for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Boss, and
Speaker 1: Sid behind the Glass until Sunday night. M