Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast has the vapost Welcome back
Speaker 1: to another dis ord, the Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a room
Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Gregg rows
Speaker 1: It thought, what is up? Boys? What's going on? A
Speaker 1: lot of excitement in the room today, New week, new storylines.
Speaker 1: It's a new NFL never ends, and that's how we
Speaker 1: like it, never ending, a never ending caravan event. Ufilming. Well,
Speaker 1: look at it this way. If if the NFL wasn't
Speaker 1: constantly generating something, then maybe we wouldn't be doing this
Speaker 1: podcast be a seasonal job. Maybe we would be working
Speaker 1: in a factory somewhere until NFL season again again you
Speaker 1: never know, in an alternate really be like old NFL players,
Speaker 1: like the Packers when they actually were packers in the
Speaker 1: off season packing boxes, wind up in some factory. Don't
Speaker 1: go back to rock a right, little, are you? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been schooled and now appreciate the twelve month furious news.
Speaker 1: So you know what you're gonna appreciate is these couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, about three or four weeks from now, when
Speaker 1: you're at work, not during vacation because we we got
Speaker 1: six mini camps this week, about twenty three other teams
Speaker 1: at O T A s. Then next week everyone's at
Speaker 1: mini camps and then it's just quiet for five or
Speaker 1: six weeks. You can't imagine how bad our posts and
Speaker 1: podcasts are going to be. Then it will be completely
Speaker 1: made up of talking about various arrests and what they
Speaker 1: mean for their teams. Maybe we can watch the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: It'll be over to be over, buddy. It's truly the if.
Speaker 1: Unless you're a baseball fan, there's literally nothing waste land.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, Mark excited about FIFA World Cup women,
Speaker 1: what's true? You can watch a little women's World Cup.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say I'm excited. I'm happy if that's that's nice
Speaker 1: that it's on. I like Mark's detour into fake basketball
Speaker 1: fandom during the final. It's been it's been kind of refreshing.
Speaker 1: I Cleveland is approaching what they've not done in decades
Speaker 1: and decades. I'm gonna watch. Can I share the story
Speaker 1: from thirty from Sunday afternoon? I don't know which. There
Speaker 1: were many stories. So we're watching we're watching the game
Speaker 1: at the at the bar on Sunday evening. The game
Speaker 1: is at near the end of regulation, it might even
Speaker 1: be early in overtime. People are on edge. It's an
Speaker 1: incredible one of the best finals games. And you were
Speaker 1: fired up. Love it, love watching Lebron at the peak
Speaker 1: of his powers. It's been fun so far. And Mark
Speaker 1: is into it next to me the whole the whole time,
Speaker 1: and he'd been, you know, we'd all be hanging out
Speaker 1: at the bar for a while to you know, read
Speaker 1: into that however you may. But at one point Markets
Speaker 1: into a conversation with a young group of men behind us,
Speaker 1: in which it comes out that one of them, in
Speaker 1: fact is a Ravens fan. And then under cross examination,
Speaker 1: Mark finds out that that Ravens fan did not know
Speaker 1: that the Ravens became the Ravens because the Browns moved
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland, and Mark, of course, as as a
Speaker 1: diehard Browns van, Mark flabbergasted. Fifteen minutes later, now literally
Speaker 1: Lebron's got the ball, probably last possession, trying to win
Speaker 1: the game. I look over to Mark and his arms
Speaker 1: are crossed and his face is sour like some like
Speaker 1: he just found out his dog down. And I was like,
Speaker 1: Mark what's wrong. It's like, no, man, It's just like,
Speaker 1: how could he not know what? Well? I think the
Speaker 1: boss would appreciate that. I'm always thinking about football, but uh,
Speaker 1: I find a defensive that someone in there late twenties.
Speaker 1: They're not I'm doing this lit a twelve year old.
Speaker 1: It was probably I think the part of the story
Speaker 1: was that the game was tied. It's overtime. You know,
Speaker 1: Cleveland's got the ball. It's a big spot in the
Speaker 1: game here, and you're focused on something else and some kids,
Speaker 1: some torp not knowing the history of the threw me
Speaker 1: off my orbit big time. I expect nothing less out
Speaker 1: of Mark. That's this is predictable behavior. And you look
Speaker 1: the kid hit it coming millennial. That's exactly right, Christ
Speaker 1: score of your old men attack millennials, West West attacks
Speaker 1: sec of our listenership. Hey read a book? How about that?
Speaker 1: Read a book? Listeners? All right, nice show today, But
Speaker 1: it is nice to have Mark plugged in on another sport.
Speaker 1: I've long been a champion of marketting involved beyond the
Speaker 1: NFL world. Hoping to go tonight, I heard that I
Speaker 1: may have babysitting duties, so we'll keep tabsitting when it's
Speaker 1: your kids adult responsibilities attached to my life decisions. Greg.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Uh nice show today. Some shows
Speaker 1: I walk upstairs and I dread it. It's like, what
Speaker 1: are we gonna talk about? This is not going to
Speaker 1: be interesting to listen to this time. When I'm going upstairs,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it could be okay, yeah, it could be good.
Speaker 1: I like it. So we're gonna get into uh uh
Speaker 1: you know there are, um, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on O T A. S. Greg just mentioned
Speaker 1: we've got mini camps, a lot cooking right now. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring back one of our favorite little games,
Speaker 1: which is, of course what's more likely. And I think
Speaker 1: I think there's all right, okay, Sully, a little slout
Speaker 1: of the gate. Let's can we get the entire word?
Speaker 1: No we can't. Well, we're gonna work on that technical difficulty.
Speaker 1: We can get all of what in there. We're gonna
Speaker 1: play that game, and then we're also we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a little fun some players that are not signed right now,
Speaker 1: some veterans. We're gonna each kind of step up and
Speaker 1: and and speak for that player that's out of a
Speaker 1: job and say this guy should probably have a gig
Speaker 1: with training camp right around the corner. Uh. But before
Speaker 1: any of that, oh, before we get to news, I'm
Speaker 1: checking with Sully, who other than that Drop has done
Speaker 1: a tremendous job. He's got a haircut, his mustache is
Speaker 1: still and great. It's a Southern gentleman Tennessee volunteer. There
Speaker 1: we go, leaned it up, leaned it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I feel good today, guys. I thought I thought you
Speaker 1: up for you or something. No, it's okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: let's just another The listeners who can't see Sully was
Speaker 1: really motioning for us to get out out of our chair.
Speaker 1: Sully knows that TDS will be back next week, so
Speaker 1: he's got to soak it up this week when West's Toaster,
Speaker 1: which as we know, is a game of skill and
Speaker 1: valor at the NFL Trivia game, which West holds the toast,
Speaker 1: which makes him a champion of trivia. Uh really not
Speaker 1: just within this building but the entire world. Uh. We're
Speaker 1: bringing it back next week, next Thursday. We're gonna shoot
Speaker 1: for it. Uh. Whin West's Toaster. So if you're a listener,
Speaker 1: is toaster. If you are a listener who believes you
Speaker 1: could take down West. And I'm just gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to humiliate yourself because it's happened
Speaker 1: on this their waves. I've known people that have deleted
Speaker 1: their Twitter accounts after getting shut out by WES. Uh. So,
Speaker 1: if you think you could take West down an NFL trivia,
Speaker 1: contact at producer t D with a hashtag w w T.
Speaker 1: Let him know that you want to take on West.
Speaker 1: Uh If if t D chooses, you pass a screening
Speaker 1: process and you will be on the show to go
Speaker 1: against West next Thursday. How are we? Uh? How is
Speaker 1: TD gonna give us the tweets? Because he's not back
Speaker 1: till next Friday. Oh, he's not back till next Friday.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's diligently standing by when he's you know,
Speaker 1: four countries away. All right, well, listen, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go with Sully on this. A lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on Sy. This will be his crowning achievement. What is
Speaker 1: your Twitter handle? Okay, so that's at Sully s U
Speaker 1: L L y v O L hashtag w w T.
Speaker 1: Reach out to Sully. He will be in touch with
Speaker 1: you to take on West. The greatest trivia player in
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, can we say one thing that
Speaker 1: if you in your heart, if you know that you're
Speaker 1: a proverbial tomato can, don't tweet it, Sully and don't
Speaker 1: get involved right exactly. These people don't believe they're tomato cans,
Speaker 1: But the time factor is real. You rush, and you
Speaker 1: can't always have instant recall when you know the clocks ticking.
Speaker 1: If I recall, West beat his opponents twelve to two.
Speaker 1: And Greg has not said a word yet about this
Speaker 1: because he does despise the game. Well, I'm planning on.
Speaker 1: I hope you can schedule the show for when I'm
Speaker 1: on vacation. That's the most important part of the show,
Speaker 1: to make sure you're suffering through it. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: a quiz show. It's two thousand and fifteen. Is there
Speaker 1: any true subversion? Can see the answers. Is there any
Speaker 1: truth to the rumor that you've taken someone under your
Speaker 1: wing and trying to basically well bring them through the
Speaker 1: minor leagues. It's someone who can take me down long term.
Speaker 1: I do see myself potentially um turning into a don
Speaker 1: King like character where I can manage make all the
Speaker 1: money and ruin the sport. I believe that. I believe
Speaker 1: all that. Uh Sully, Can we please do some news
Speaker 1: all right? We have not been on the air, if
Speaker 1: you will, since last Thursday. So one big bit of
Speaker 1: news that went down on Friday we should talk about.
Speaker 1: Have lost another important player in a sudden fashion. Right
Speaker 1: tackle Anthony Davis announced Friday that he won't play in
Speaker 1: He released a statement, after a few years of thought,
Speaker 1: I've decided it will be best for me to take
Speaker 1: a year or so away from the NFL. This will
Speaker 1: be a time for me to allow my brain embody
Speaker 1: a chance. That l Davis just started seventy one games
Speaker 1: and five NFL seasons. Greg will start with you. It
Speaker 1: just never ends with the Niners. What does this loss
Speaker 1: mean to that offensive line? Big Anthony Davis was a
Speaker 1: solid NFL starter. Maybe he wasn't coming off his best season,
Speaker 1: good run blocker, but what West pointed out in the
Speaker 1: piece when he retired, which which hit home, they only
Speaker 1: have two starters left off the offensive line that was
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and that offensive line, along with
Speaker 1: their defensive line, I think established the identity of what
Speaker 1: that team was, which was a tough team that pushed
Speaker 1: you around up front, and that team really doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: This is a different forty Niners team. They drafted Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis and Mikey Potty in the first round of the
Speaker 1: same draft. Both of those guys are now gone, and
Speaker 1: you could say they were the backbone of the best
Speaker 1: offensive in the offensive line in the league. Two years ago.
Speaker 1: The forty Niners said what they thought of Anthony Natives.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, they gave him a thirty nine million
Speaker 1: dollar contract with I think seventeen million dollar guaranteed. So
Speaker 1: that's not top tackle money, but it's in that next
Speaker 1: tier of a first round pick that's basically lived up
Speaker 1: to his billing. And now he's just gone out of nowhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, and even two years ago, you could still
Speaker 1: look at the forty Niners and that offensive line was
Speaker 1: exactly that was their beating heart, and they also had
Speaker 1: Frank Gore running the football. I mean, this team at
Speaker 1: this point, they've lost so many players that the logic
Speaker 1: is they're gonna be less fun to watch, and they
Speaker 1: will be, but they're ultimately fascinating to me right now
Speaker 1: because of all the moving and changing parts, and it
Speaker 1: starts with the head coach that I think none of
Speaker 1: us know what's gonna happen. If Tom Seuilla gets off
Speaker 1: to a rough start where the leaders on that team
Speaker 1: who's gonna buy in? It could get ugly. I think
Speaker 1: Tom Seill expected the roster to be different, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he expected Willis, Borland and Davis to retire.
Speaker 1: I mean, since no, he didn't expect any of them
Speaker 1: to retire. Since March, they've lost by my count, twenty
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls and over a thousand NFL starts. Yikes, nothing's
Speaker 1: there's no if someone can come up with team similar
Speaker 1: to the forty nine in terms of what they've lost
Speaker 1: in an off season to retirement, to surprise retirement, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine this has ever happened before. Justin Smith, that's
Speaker 1: not a shock, although that is a big loss to
Speaker 1: them in terms of leadership. But the other three guys,
Speaker 1: it's insane for that to all drop on one team
Speaker 1: in one off season. Do we haven't had surprise retirements
Speaker 1: like this in an NFL off season before? Well, it's
Speaker 1: weird too because he might be coming back. He means
Speaker 1: said in his statement he wants to give a year
Speaker 1: or two to clear his head and his body, and
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be back, and I'll be back with the
Speaker 1: forty niners. They'll on his rights. It once again reaffirms
Speaker 1: my belief that poor Jim tom Sula got airlifted onto
Speaker 1: the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. He's in troub
Speaker 1: you know what. Their expectations are so low right now,
Speaker 1: and then you know he's got a chance. Everyone thinks
Speaker 1: they're gonna go three and thirteen four. What if they
Speaker 1: rip off nine wins. I'm not saying it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but Tom Sula has another opportunity to take a whole
Speaker 1: off season and change what we think about. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget Jim Harbow was a huge disappointment last year. At
Speaker 1: least that team was a huge disappointment, winning only eight games.
Speaker 1: If Tom Sula somehow wins seven games, people would be
Speaker 1: happy with them. And that's what saved Rex Ryan's job
Speaker 1: with the Jets two years ago. If you if he
Speaker 1: goes five hundred, he gets a second year, right literally,
Speaker 1: unless he has a terrible relationship with management or the
Speaker 1: players or something like that. Lust they also, you know, lost,
Speaker 1: I really think the key piece of the whole thing
Speaker 1: this weekend. Andy Lee Pro Bowl Hunter to your brown
Speaker 1: cessler ups while other teachers are asleep at the wheel,
Speaker 1: Cleveland is just improving. Can we call these retirements a
Speaker 1: trend or do we have to wait a few years
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out what's going on. I think
Speaker 1: we need to wait. I mean the whole off season
Speaker 1: or just the forty nine. I think the whole off season.
Speaker 1: I throw in Jason Worlds and Jake Locker. I think
Speaker 1: you can call it some a bit of a trend.
Speaker 1: I don't think with the forty nine. When Tom Sula
Speaker 1: said you have to look at each one of these
Speaker 1: situations one by one, I think that was fair. Willis
Speaker 1: was going to retire regardless, Smith was going to retire regardless.
Speaker 1: Borland he seemed like he had a really strong, almost
Speaker 1: political stance to make about head injuries. Davis seems somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. I have a theory on this all right.
Speaker 1: I think around the nineteen eighties you started to see
Speaker 1: the audience change for the NFL. It used to be
Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties that coal miners and steel
Speaker 1: workers were watching coal miners and steel workers play football,
Speaker 1: And by the nineteen eighties you've got a different audience.
Speaker 1: More suburban watching millionaires play football, and now we have
Speaker 1: players who have other options and don't need the game
Speaker 1: as much. I think, whereas the audience changed in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, now the players have changed. You don't have
Speaker 1: coal miners and steel workers playing football anymore. That makes
Speaker 1: total sense. And on top of it, if there's not been,
Speaker 1: there's been a total rush of new information about head
Speaker 1: injuries and when it's met in the past, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: Moving on, the Giants are taking it very conservative with
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. There great second year wide receiver who
Speaker 1: dealt with the right hamstring UH injury last season that
Speaker 1: kept him out until the fifth week, fifth game of
Speaker 1: the season for the Giants. Now he is a left
Speaker 1: hamstring injury. UH is not participating in O t as
Speaker 1: this week, did not participate it last week. Kim Jones
Speaker 1: NFL Media's Kim Jones reports he probably won't participate in
Speaker 1: mini camp next week and they're gonna hold him off
Speaker 1: until training camp. Uh, Mark, do you have any reason
Speaker 1: in a week? We don't know how serious these injuries are,
Speaker 1: but does it scare you a little bit that Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham is dealing all of a sudden with a hamstring
Speaker 1: injury again this summer, and what it might mean for
Speaker 1: his season, not even in the slightest because it's far
Speaker 1: too early to care. Number one, this is the time
Speaker 1: to be absolutely cautious with your best player and maybe
Speaker 1: the best player to come around in a long time.
Speaker 1: And last year it's you know that that became a
Speaker 1: very serious hamstring injury. There's no indication that this is
Speaker 1: of that same nature. There was no indication at this
Speaker 1: point last year. It was so serious. It was just
Speaker 1: this thing that kept dragging on. Oh, he'll be back
Speaker 1: in June. He'll be back in July. He the other
Speaker 1: leg this time, But there's the other leg this time,
Speaker 1: and everyone associated with the Giants has said it's not
Speaker 1: serious at all. But three months removed from the season,
Speaker 1: or three months until this season, why even o they're
Speaker 1: risking it? Obviously, let me ask you a question. Let's
Speaker 1: say you you have a football team and you knew
Speaker 1: that you could have Odell Beckham for the next five years,
Speaker 1: but he could never start the season until week five.
Speaker 1: I'd take him in a second. Yeah, unless those injuries
Speaker 1: eventually take a toll on him physically, he loses some burst.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a concern if this is five, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a concern if it starts stretching into the regular
Speaker 1: season again. Odell Beckham was one of the best players
Speaker 1: in the league last year, but he wasn't available for
Speaker 1: a huge chunk of it. I'd be concerned if he's
Speaker 1: not ready to start training camp. Mhm, I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: but that's when it will get my attention. And this one,
Speaker 1: like right now, I'm not even worried. Kim Jones also
Speaker 1: reported that Victor Cruz also not taking part in O
Speaker 1: t A s uh. He's working his way back from
Speaker 1: knee surgery. They hope to have him, best case scenario
Speaker 1: back for the start of training camp. So if you
Speaker 1: get those two guys healthy, that's a pretty damn good
Speaker 1: one to punch. I'm a little not that I consider
Speaker 1: myself an injury expert, but I'd be a little surprised
Speaker 1: if this is the same guy. Um, I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if yeah, the nature of that injury, I I
Speaker 1: don't know. We's got news for you. Cole Beasley and
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham would be a great one to punch. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter you put next to Odell Becka alright, moving on.
Speaker 1: So the Chargers did some business officially on Tuesday. They
Speaker 1: agreed to a multi year deal with Corey Legit UH,
Speaker 1: their defensive end, a first round pick in the two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven draft. It's a fifty million dollar deal worth
Speaker 1: over five years, thirty million guaranteed, according to rap Sheet.
Speaker 1: So San Diego took care of its UH first round
Speaker 1: pick inleven the New York yet's not the same situation.
Speaker 1: The overall pick in two thousand eleven is Mark Mohammed Wilkerson. Yes, sorry,
Speaker 1: I was completely in another place, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Who showed up for the start of Jets minicamp on
Speaker 1: Tuesday but still unhappy, does not have a deal and everything.
Speaker 1: Everything got complicated in terms of his situation by the
Speaker 1: arrival of Lenny Williams, the sixth overall picks. He's a
Speaker 1: friend of mine. Sounds like a comedian, Yeah, Lanny william
Speaker 1: So anyway, Moll Wilkerson, he's in camp, but he did
Speaker 1: not promise that he'd be there for training camp. Mark,
Speaker 1: Greg you worried, No, you're not all who cares about
Speaker 1: Mohammed Wilkerson. No, he's gonna show up. He showed up
Speaker 1: for mandatory minicamp because he didn't want to lose the
Speaker 1: sixty dollars. So I don't think he's gonna skip training camp.
Speaker 1: He said the money didn't matter. Are you calling Wilkerson
Speaker 1: ian rap? Ward thought it was a big part of
Speaker 1: the equation in terms of why he came. And he's
Speaker 1: basically handling the hold out exactly. How if you're gonna
Speaker 1: hold out, you want your players to do it. He's
Speaker 1: gonna skip the voluntary stuff, why bother and come to
Speaker 1: the mandatory. I do think that this contract makes it
Speaker 1: more difficult for him because if Corey legits were thirty
Speaker 1: million guaranteed and five years fifty million, Mohammed Wilkerson's worth
Speaker 1: more than that. He's a way better player than Legit.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Were you a little surprised the legit?
Speaker 1: I and also watching that was our team of a
Speaker 1: t L last year, and I struggle on San Diego's
Speaker 1: defense and West We talked about this downstairs. What's to like? What?
Speaker 1: I like legit? But what players do you latch onto
Speaker 1: and say? I never shows up on film. I've got
Speaker 1: a big Jason Varette poster up in my that's like
Speaker 1: on their defense I like Legit, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: I think John Gruden, you remember how he used to
Speaker 1: talk about Brett Farve, has made a lot of people
Speaker 1: money over the years. He's made you know, assistant coaches house.
Speaker 1: I think John Gruden made Corey Legit some money because
Speaker 1: he had a monster Monday night football game and John
Speaker 1: Good would not be quiet about how incredible Corey Legit was.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly here he is getting stars. So we
Speaker 1: were downstairs trying to figure out how to pronounce his
Speaker 1: last name. So he's not made the impact something that's
Speaker 1: not French. By the way, I think Lenny Williams, the
Speaker 1: Jets rookie, if he blows up in year one, this
Speaker 1: is not going to catch on. It's happening. If he
Speaker 1: blows up in year one, the Jets might be like,
Speaker 1: well do they love Mo Wilkerson? But if they they
Speaker 1: they're happy with their defensive line and Leonard Williams looks great,
Speaker 1: they might spend their money elsewhere. Yeah, they they put
Speaker 1: themselves in a great bargaining place. Not only was it
Speaker 1: a great pick, they never thought they'd get him where
Speaker 1: they got him in the draft. You don't have to
Speaker 1: pay Wilkerson if you don't want to. When do you
Speaker 1: think Wilkerson will realize Wilma dawn on him that he
Speaker 1: has not a modicum of leverage here, I think, and
Speaker 1: this entire thing is fruitless. I thought about this morning
Speaker 1: at he's a great NFL player. Those guys always have leverage.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get paid monster dollars from You don't have
Speaker 1: to do anything but Lanny Williams. The worst case scenario,
Speaker 1: then you get thirty one other teams. So if you right,
Speaker 1: in which case, wouldn't you want to put in a
Speaker 1: good offseason and be a better player this year? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I'm still not convinced. Not showing
Speaker 1: up for a yet. O t As hurts you in anything, right,
Speaker 1: if he starts from here and goes on out, he'll
Speaker 1: be fun Alright. This next portion of news I call
Speaker 1: graying quarterbacks with knee problems catchy kind of set. It
Speaker 1: sets the table before we're gonna talk about that. Listen
Speaker 1: not and wait until the whole segment, Stune before you
Speaker 1: make any decisions on that. Carson Palmer, he blew out
Speaker 1: his knee, of course, uh last November for the second time.
Speaker 1: He is now said to be one entering cards of minicamp.
Speaker 1: The team is very happy about it. And uh they
Speaker 1: said that Bruce Arian said that Palmer was cutting it loose. Uh,
Speaker 1: no restrictions. Uh. So that is very good news for
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's not a young guy. So they're they're
Speaker 1: very happy about his progress. Meanwhile, Sam Bradford, who west Uh,
Speaker 1: last week, I think some Beat reporters said that Bradford's
Speaker 1: mobility was at what level? What are they compared to
Speaker 1: jugs machine? A jugs machine which is a stable device
Speaker 1: that shoots footballs. It doesn't move. So what they were
Speaker 1: saying there Mark was that that he wasn't moving well.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Sam Bradford, who blew out his knee for
Speaker 1: the second time last summer, uh, now moving a little
Speaker 1: better this week in O T A s and spinning
Speaker 1: it a little bit, and they're they're a little more excited.
Speaker 1: So old gray dudes, bad knees. Fan Bradford's like ten
Speaker 1: years younger than anything. Come on, subway, give us the money.
Speaker 1: I don't know Carson Palmer. I was shocked that he
Speaker 1: declared himself it's only been what six and a half
Speaker 1: seven months? Well, the doctors at least said he can
Speaker 1: do everything. I don't know if that means he's our
Speaker 1: researchers today in our morning meeting. You guys love going
Speaker 1: to meetings. Oh yeah, an we can. They broke out
Speaker 1: a stat of the last six guys to come back,
Speaker 1: you know, big time starting quarterbacks from their a c
Speaker 1: l s. Not one of them had a better record
Speaker 1: the season after coming back from a c l S.
Speaker 1: And really the best case of all of those guys
Speaker 1: was probably Tom Brady, who was still clearly deminished. Even
Speaker 1: in the best case scenario you're probably getting of two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen Carson Palmer well, and the fact that though
Speaker 1: that Palmer's into bad so much after Bradford's and Bradford's
Speaker 1: still in the city. As we asked a couple of
Speaker 1: podcasts to go what happens to a quarterback coming off
Speaker 1: to major knee injuries? We don't have a track record
Speaker 1: for this. Yeah. I think the fact that Bradford's happened
Speaker 1: back to back with you know, so quickly, and Palmer's.
Speaker 1: The last time Palmer tours a c L it was
Speaker 1: the worst hair you could possibly have. I think it
Speaker 1: was a grade four and this first time. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this one was like the easiest hair, so it's no
Speaker 1: surprise to me that he came back a lot quicker.
Speaker 1: But um, I think he Bradford's dealing with a much
Speaker 1: different injury. Nothing says the NFL is owning the sports
Speaker 1: landscape as that we get weekly updates on you know
Speaker 1: what you know, mechanical device. Sam Bradford looks like that.
Speaker 1: Like last seak, was Juggons be seen this week? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, at least we're not hearing about the
Speaker 1: music Eagles practice anymore. We've gotten beyond that. Personal smoothies,
Speaker 1: personal smoothies, remote controlled cars, the genius always on top
Speaker 1: of his game. Uh speak of geniuses, Greg Uh. Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick has decided I don't want Brandon Spikes on my
Speaker 1: team again. He said it again after after the team
Speaker 1: released Spikes less than a month into a reunion with
Speaker 1: his team. This happened after Spikes's car was found on
Speaker 1: a Foxborough highway. Uh left abandon. He had called on
Speaker 1: Star or the driver of the car I should say
Speaker 1: called on Started said they had hit a deer. The
Speaker 1: police came, saw no deer, so some damage to the
Speaker 1: front end and then nearby this car belonging to Spikes
Speaker 1: was a family whose car had been hit and a
Speaker 1: hit and run. No charges filed or anything, but that
Speaker 1: was enough that Spikes's car was involved or what they
Speaker 1: know that maybe we don't know. They don't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with him. Of course, Spikes's previous engagement with
Speaker 1: the team ended in acrimony. So now Greg a nice
Speaker 1: inside linebacker, guys, nice run stuffer, the throne of ease
Speaker 1: loses him because he you know, he didn't call uber
Speaker 1: potentially well, they only got a twenty five thousand gave
Speaker 1: him a twenty five thousand dollar signing bonus, which to
Speaker 1: me is a a antal way of saying you're on
Speaker 1: a short lease. Spikes. Oh no, I hear clouds roll in.
Speaker 1: There's some disorder in the Skies. I think they just
Speaker 1: fine with their season without Brandon Spikes last year, but
Speaker 1: it is a alred he plagued division. I mean a
Speaker 1: position right now for them. Dante Hataer is coming off
Speaker 1: an injury. He might not be ready for training camp.
Speaker 1: Grod Mayo's coming off a very serious The injuries to
Speaker 1: help them. The only reason Spikes was signed was because
Speaker 1: those guys were coming off. He would help right now,
Speaker 1: you got Dane Fletcher in the mix. If if this,
Speaker 1: Spikes would still be on the roster because off the
Speaker 1: field's concerns weren't as big as a problem and because
Speaker 1: two down run thumpers were great in six. But the
Speaker 1: game's changed. Brandon Spikes isn't that valuable anymore. Well, and
Speaker 1: if the police investigation proves him to be free of
Speaker 1: any issues, then New England he's probably still be available.
Speaker 1: They can call him right back up. But no one,
Speaker 1: no one was going after Brandon Spikes as a free
Speaker 1: agent anyways, because of what you said. He doesn't fit
Speaker 1: in today's NFL. I mean, if he was in ninety five,
Speaker 1: if he might be a pro bowler, because because he's
Speaker 1: really good at stopping the run and just like running
Speaker 1: in straight into people. But that that doesn't really matter anymore.
Speaker 1: Greig doesn't strike me is terribly worried here. What would happen? Though?
Speaker 1: Like I do, I'd like Spikes because he's one of
Speaker 1: the only Patriots they ever drafted that was any good,
Speaker 1: that didn't care what Bill Belichick said and just would
Speaker 1: pop off. You know, it's it worked out well. It's
Speaker 1: not great for job security. It is a little weird though,
Speaker 1: that they acted on this without anything official coming from
Speaker 1: the police. It's like there's zero tolerance and then there's
Speaker 1: like sub zero tolerance. It could have been like it
Speaker 1: could have been Spikes's friend Rufus that went joy riding
Speaker 1: around Gilette Stadium. You don't know, you don't know. This
Speaker 1: is a team that's been in the news just as
Speaker 1: much as they'd like to this offseason. So I think
Speaker 1: they probably told Spikes when they signed him, you say,
Speaker 1: you say anything, you do anything, whatever, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a short stay here. He was just kind
Speaker 1: of no issues with on Star? Please who's on Star?
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it feels like it's from seven
Speaker 1: years ago. Alright, gentlemen. So Brandon Spikes out of a
Speaker 1: job back on the street, which got us all thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some veterans out there right now that
Speaker 1: maybe you can make a very strong argument that they
Speaker 1: should be in someone's camp right now getting ready for
Speaker 1: the season. Not always the case, since sometimes it's hard
Speaker 1: to get a job. We've all been we've all been there.
Speaker 1: Job market sometimes drives up. Listen to a Bruce Springsteen,
Speaker 1: what happens? So this is our chance now to each
Speaker 1: pick a player delivered strawberries for a living could be
Speaker 1: your next job. I delivered pizzas right before Greg hired me. Well,
Speaker 1: I got hired to deliver pizzas and didn't delivering totally.
Speaker 1: I knew these stories, but maybe the audience didn't know them.
Speaker 1: So let's all pick one veteran player that is currently
Speaker 1: out of work unemployed in a segment we like to
Speaker 1: call and give us a man a job. Ron, I've
Speaker 1: got to fire you. Well, I've got to fire you.
Speaker 1: I like the other one better. I wasn't fired from
Speaker 1: my job. I was laid off. You wouldn't know the difference,
Speaker 1: all right, So we'll start with I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: start with the boss, Greg Rosenthal. Why don't you give
Speaker 1: us a veteran out there that deserves a job? Put
Speaker 1: him in camp somewhere. The easiest game we've ever played,
Speaker 1: because there's three different reasons why I want Pierre Thomas
Speaker 1: to get a job. Number one, we had a little
Speaker 1: sandwich proposition in terms of the guaranteed money of our
Speaker 1: top running backs available this offseason, and I need one
Speaker 1: more of those players to sign to win the sandwich.
Speaker 1: But take it away that Who's the best screen past
Speaker 1: catcher of the last ten years. I'll ask another scientist,
Speaker 1: who do you think Pierre Thomas? Pierre Thomas, the great
Speaker 1: Walter Payton four point nine yards per carry last year.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a pretty good number. Fifty five targets,
Speaker 1: forty five catches last year, eight yards per catch? What's
Speaker 1: not to like Pierre Thomas? He's not going to start
Speaker 1: at running back for you, but everyone needs Well, there's
Speaker 1: something going on. There's thirty two teams not liking them
Speaker 1: enough right now. It's called ages. M is in the
Speaker 1: old us of A that's illegal, you know totally. You
Speaker 1: know he does have a spot on one roster. What's
Speaker 1: about is that Dan Hans is his own l a
Speaker 1: graybeards exactly. So if you you're basically admitting that Pierre Thomas,
Speaker 1: how do you know I'm not muckraking behind the scenes
Speaker 1: to keep him off a roster. So I want a
Speaker 1: sandwich off you. I think at this point the statue
Speaker 1: the Sandwich of Limitations is running out right now, and
Speaker 1: I think you might just have to get that sandwich
Speaker 1: so we could call to watch with the entourage. Now,
Speaker 1: I only seventeen sandwiches seriously, though, this is a great
Speaker 1: role player. It's the exact type of guy, someone who
Speaker 1: couldn't be more popular in New Orleans in the locker room.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am kind of confounded why he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a job. All right, that's a good one. Must
Speaker 1: be something going on. Something's cooking, Mark. I will throw
Speaker 1: a quarterback out there, Michael Vick. Now, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something about Michael Vick. Watched him every snap last
Speaker 1: year at the Jets, and this is what happens. And West,
Speaker 1: one of your famous West is hum. You know, it's
Speaker 1: about the game, not the name. Michael Vick put bad
Speaker 1: tape out there last year. And to to compound matters,
Speaker 1: he also admitted after a blowout loss to the Chargers
Speaker 1: that he wasn't prepared to go into a game. And
Speaker 1: I think that's hurting him now. He's still He's about
Speaker 1: to turn thirty five, so he's older, but he's not ancient.
Speaker 1: He did show at times last year that he still
Speaker 1: had some athleticism. He obviously knows how to to absorb
Speaker 1: a playbook. He knows he's won big games in his career,
Speaker 1: so there's plenty of reasons to suggest that he deserves
Speaker 1: to be in a camp somewhere fighting for a job.
Speaker 1: When there are guys like Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallott
Speaker 1: fighting for starting jobs. Michael Vick probably deserves to be
Speaker 1: fighting for a two job, and yet he's not. So uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's still he's you know, you see him
Speaker 1: pop up at charity golf events now and then right now,
Speaker 1: and he always says I could still be a starter.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna happen, but he deserves to be in
Speaker 1: a camp and might take an injury for it to happen,
Speaker 1: but it has it. I think that's one reason that
Speaker 1: maybe teams aren't running after to sign Michael Vick. I
Speaker 1: think plenty of defensive coaches still admire what he can
Speaker 1: do to an opponent in theory he didn't do that
Speaker 1: last year. But also it's every month it's I'm going
Speaker 1: to be a starter. I can still be a starter.
Speaker 1: This isn't the guy you want to bring into mentor
Speaker 1: someone just for the reason you said. Last year when
Speaker 1: they put him on the field, he's like, I didn't prepare. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you tell in the rest of your quarterback
Speaker 1: room when you're the savvy veteran the explosive. Michael Vick
Speaker 1: is gone. It's kind of like a player like Brandon
Speaker 1: Spikes who has off field issues. There's a sliding scale,
Speaker 1: and for someone to bring in Michael Vick and deal
Speaker 1: with him maybe saying something in the media kind of
Speaker 1: wacky or whatever, he has to be a certain amount
Speaker 1: of talent. That talent is not He has reached the
Speaker 1: I'm Keith Hernandez stage of his career because when the
Speaker 1: Jets try to hold that phony QB competition last summer,
Speaker 1: he was very open with all the beat writers of
Speaker 1: the Jets saying this is not a real competition. So
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily a great soldier in that sense. I
Speaker 1: could see why teams are scared off, but that is
Speaker 1: what it is. West. Who are you vouching for right now?
Speaker 1: I think ray Rice should get a job. I think
Speaker 1: he messed up. I think any of us who have
Speaker 1: messed up in our live was. There's a difference between
Speaker 1: sorrow and remorse, and I think he shown remorse. He
Speaker 1: has actually been forced to change the way he lives
Speaker 1: his life. Um, and I think he's he's done that.
Speaker 1: So when you have someone we give second chances to
Speaker 1: people in the NFL and in America. He's someone who
Speaker 1: was a model citizen before last year. He's someone who
Speaker 1: deserves a second chance. And as Jane McManus of ESPN
Speaker 1: W Today said that ray Rice should come back in
Speaker 1: the NFL because who better than him to deliver the
Speaker 1: message against domestic violence to young people, specifically young athletes,
Speaker 1: that you should that this is the wrong thing to do.
Speaker 1: All right, well, okay, maybe he's been contrite and done
Speaker 1: the right things, but can he still play? Yes, he was,
Speaker 1: he was. It's kind of like Vick. Vick put up
Speaker 1: two of the worst games any quarterback did in the
Speaker 1: league last year. Ray Rice put up probably the worst
Speaker 1: running back season the last time he was fully healthy.
Speaker 1: So it's just why the game and I judged his
Speaker 1: game that some or that he came back, as did
Speaker 1: John Harboll, who said he's showing the same burst he
Speaker 1: did the year before. He had lost weight two thousand
Speaker 1: thirteen season. We compared him to the kid with a
Speaker 1: snowsuit because that's the way he was running. He was
Speaker 1: a little overweight, he was going through a hip injury
Speaker 1: and a quad injury. He just wasn't the same guy.
Speaker 1: And then he was healthy again by the next summer,
Speaker 1: and I I saw him. He only have five preseason carries,
Speaker 1: but he looked like the same Ray Rice to me then,
Speaker 1: And I think he can help a team. He talked
Speaker 1: about in an offseason article. What that injury, that fleet
Speaker 1: of injuries, what he was dealing with. And it's not
Speaker 1: a surprise that he looked the way he did two
Speaker 1: seasons ago. And what about a team like Dallas where
Speaker 1: you got an owner that says we've taken a number
Speaker 1: of players and rehabilitated them or given that second chance.
Speaker 1: That's a need in the Dallas that may end up
Speaker 1: being someone who has a chance down the road. That
Speaker 1: that's the type of team it's gonna take where an
Speaker 1: owner is making the decision, Because this is the decisions
Speaker 1: that's gonna go up to ownership general managers who want
Speaker 1: to sign Ray Rice, they're gonna have to clear it
Speaker 1: with the big boss. That yeah, that's like when Jeff
Speaker 1: Lurry got Michael Vick coming off of prison. Mark sel Up, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I came into work here, found out then
Speaker 1: this seven was happening, and I said, I like to
Speaker 1: do Pierre Thomas, that sounds good. Well, the boss already
Speaker 1: has Pierre Thomas. It's the first guy he ever wrote
Speaker 1: a blog about. How about this? How about a mod Bradshaw?
Speaker 1: Now there's positive side. Last three seasons four point six,
Speaker 1: four point five and four point seven yards per carry.
Speaker 1: I think he looked like Indianapolis is best running back
Speaker 1: for periods of time. The problem is Week eleven broken leg.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not trying to sell you a
Speaker 1: bill of goods here, but he's gonna need time to
Speaker 1: get healthy. If he's ever, he's twenty nine, he's not
Speaker 1: getting younger. But if he can come back and he
Speaker 1: is healthy at some point, I like Bradshaw as much
Speaker 1: as any running back on this list. If you need
Speaker 1: a running back for five weeks, my Brad shows your guy. Well,
Speaker 1: signed him like on Christmas Day, and then if you're
Speaker 1: in the playoffs you roll with him and then his
Speaker 1: foot again. It's not it's not a perfect narrative, but
Speaker 1: you know he's joking. But there's value and that there
Speaker 1: is a value in running back you can get for
Speaker 1: five weeks. Maybe he's a guy you sign after week
Speaker 1: one when the contracts aren't guaranteed anymore. But if you
Speaker 1: can have someone that can step in like Bradshaw and
Speaker 1: look like a starter for a month and then he
Speaker 1: gets hurt. Well, maybe when the Raiders find out that
Speaker 1: Trent Richardson is over, they bring in Bradshaw just like
Speaker 1: the Colts did. If he like that, his career path
Speaker 1: is basically to just replace t rich Wherever he goes
Speaker 1: makes sense if he's healthy and has kept himself in shape,
Speaker 1: which are two big ifs for any player who doesn't
Speaker 1: have a job in the NFL. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of them don't keep themselves in shape. I think will
Speaker 1: have a job at some point during the season. I agree,
Speaker 1: if this entire list, he's the one I'd be most
Speaker 1: confident and actually get to job. I think Thomas sounds
Speaker 1: like I picked well. Dick. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: Vick might be done well. Let's let's final takeaway. Three
Speaker 1: running backs. I chose a different position iconoclast. I think
Speaker 1: that at this exercise you fail to some degree. But
Speaker 1: there's more to the show. We'll keep going. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: That was my takeaway from that entire segment. Dan likes
Speaker 1: to give himself nicknames. He likes to call himself kind
Speaker 1: of class. How's how's the what is your name, the
Speaker 1: old big Zuser guy, the old mouse. Well, there's you know,
Speaker 1: Daddy Rich. How did that catch it on? People? Just
Speaker 1: around the office. There's listeners calling in. The old user
Speaker 1: is on fire on Twitter. That's not the one you chose,
Speaker 1: Daddy Rich. I let the people choo choose. And of
Speaker 1: course the wonderful Lindsay Rhodes. Uh, she went with Daddy Rich.
Speaker 1: But we're rolling with old Zuser and that's where it
Speaker 1: is right now. Now get off my back, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, before we get into our our final final discussion,
Speaker 1: uh of the day, I just want to check in
Speaker 1: with t d our producer who's in Nigeria perhaps England, uh,
Speaker 1: multiple weddings uh with his family right now. I said,
Speaker 1: last show that just to just to see if he's listening,
Speaker 1: because I, you know, as the producer of the show,
Speaker 1: he should probably still be plugged in and listening to think.
Speaker 1: So he's traveling around the world. He could be listening
Speaker 1: on a on a a car ride or or on
Speaker 1: a plane. So I said, I'm gonna throw a magic
Speaker 1: word out there, a secret password, and if he's listening,
Speaker 1: he just could tweet it at me, email whatever, call
Speaker 1: me and tell me text me, which was of course
Speaker 1: Ed Begley Jr. Didn't hear a thing. So maybe this show,
Speaker 1: well this is this is the secret password for TV.
Speaker 1: Are you listening to our show? Pard Happily is number one?
Speaker 1: Is the first issue we're going to talk about. Of course,
Speaker 1: the fictitious TV anchorman of Ponty, Indiana in Parks and Reck.
Speaker 1: So Pard happily is the secret word, secret phrase, secret
Speaker 1: name bird with Kurd TD. Come on, we need you,
Speaker 1: babe and hand us win the m v P last
Speaker 1: show for this running bit, I like, he's not allowed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: TD did not like that Sully was even doing it
Speaker 1: in the intern. But I'll take it. Sully's most valuable player,
Speaker 1: not not the the whole shows. Yeah, it's a different
Speaker 1: property and entire It's like winning the CFL m v P. Alright, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take it before we go, let's talk
Speaker 1: about it, let's get into it. Uh, it's it's the
Speaker 1: game we like to call what more likely. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: a game where each of us we go around the
Speaker 1: horn here Uh, no connection to the ESPN show of
Speaker 1: the same name. We go around the horn each layout
Speaker 1: and this is gonna be the o t a S edition.
Speaker 1: So everything should be connected to organized team activities or minicamps,
Speaker 1: something that we've seen some storyline. Okay, each of us
Speaker 1: layout two options and then we debate it. So again
Speaker 1: again the Greg, the Boss they call him, also the Greg.
Speaker 1: Why don't you get us going with a what's more like?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose a simple one. It's been a topic
Speaker 1: around here, but it's been a two man topic, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to become a four man topica. A lot
Speaker 1: of writers in Dallas say, Joseph Randall, he looks the
Speaker 1: best out of those Cowboys running backs right now that
Speaker 1: they think he's going to be the starter in week one.
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw it out to everyone.
Speaker 1: I know, Wes is the answer here? What's more likely
Speaker 1: Joseph Randall starts week one or Darren McFadden starts Week one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Joseph Randal, thank you, Mark smart that
Speaker 1: same thought out or you were caught off guard and
Speaker 1: then hesitated. Then well I could tell where the Boss
Speaker 1: was going, and I was going to go in the
Speaker 1: same direction. Very smart man. Well you got anything, you know? Why?
Speaker 1: Why not? Because Darren McFadden's competition and he's the most
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Right now. I got a feeling Chris
Speaker 1: Westling is going to disagree. Greg's already said that we
Speaker 1: already know my answers. Well, maybe you change your mind
Speaker 1: there have you have to be a little more worried.
Speaker 1: Now we've had a few weeks of practices and uh,
Speaker 1: the writers, it doesn't seem like McFadden is first in
Speaker 1: line for the better watch out for Lance Dunbar for
Speaker 1: the seventeen time today, I will point out that it's
Speaker 1: June ninth. None of this means Nick Fadden. I think
Speaker 1: it's Randall too, because he showed a lot last year.
Speaker 1: He showed when he got the ball that he could
Speaker 1: do things and and get get some positive yards. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen that since from Darren McFadden in literally years.
Speaker 1: So I think Randall is the favorite. Uh you know again,
Speaker 1: evaluate the game. You know, not the name and not
Speaker 1: the Joseph Randall has the name, But McFadden surely hasn't
Speaker 1: been the guy we thought he was gonna be years ago,
Speaker 1: so I think Randall stands a better chance. I still
Speaker 1: think they should have got another running back, a better
Speaker 1: running back this season, and and it will haunt him. Well,
Speaker 1: they did just bring in who did they bring in? Oh?
Speaker 1: They brought in Daniel Thomas and Greg's boy and the Unstoppable,
Speaker 1: the Great Who was it? I wrote the story? I
Speaker 1: actually remember Gregg is faster than Daniel Thomas. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go what more likely? Okay, Joe Flacco said uh
Speaker 1: this week that he imagines he joined the Trope Club.
Speaker 1: He imagines that he'll play till age forty. He's the
Speaker 1: latest guy we got. Now we have Tom Brady, of course,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Now, Joe Flacco just turned thirty, thinks he
Speaker 1: could play until forty. So I ask you what's more
Speaker 1: likely Joe Flacco plays at age forty or Robert Griffin
Speaker 1: the Third plays at age thirty. How old is RG
Speaker 1: three right now? I believe he's about twenty six, but
Speaker 1: I'll double check twenty six. This is a good one.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the age young. I gotta go with
Speaker 1: r G three regardless of the age. But I'll let
Speaker 1: you he's twenty five. He just turned twenty five in February.
Speaker 1: He's he's a young kid. So five years from now,
Speaker 1: I gotta go RG three. Even though Joe Flacco does
Speaker 1: seem like one of those guys that just will last
Speaker 1: forever and maybe change teams a few, will be like
Speaker 1: a really good backup to have. I could see him
Speaker 1: in that role for sure. I still go RG three
Speaker 1: because I think there's a great, great chance he's still
Speaker 1: playing them thirty. I know things are going poorly, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be out of the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna have a events young type career.
Speaker 1: I'll say RG three just because of his rookie year.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to keep buying him chances. Really,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's almost used up all of that
Speaker 1: rope if it hasn't happened on I feel like mcgluwin
Speaker 1: got to the Redskins in January and the first thing
Speaker 1: he talked about at his first press conference was r
Speaker 1: G three's rookie year. And you just can't give up
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks who who showed on film with RG three showed.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Flacco because number one, he has shown
Speaker 1: that he has been incredibly durable, never missed the game,
Speaker 1: never missed the game, and I think he's he's undersold
Speaker 1: on that front. Five years is a long time for
Speaker 1: r G three. To do further damaged himself if he
Speaker 1: doesn't become a capable starter. Uh and I And when
Speaker 1: it comes to who would you rather work with as
Speaker 1: a backup, I think most people are going Flacco than
Speaker 1: r G three has been a drama magnet from the
Speaker 1: minute he got to Washington. What more likely, Wes Well,
Speaker 1: we know the Bills have opened their quarterback position to competition.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that the Eagles have
Speaker 1: as well. Chip Kelly has said this is an open competition.
Speaker 1: What's more likely Mark Sanchez, who the Beat writers have
Speaker 1: all said looks much better this year than last year,
Speaker 1: starts Week one or Matt Castle does not start Week
Speaker 1: one for the Bills. M hm, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I had a Bradford one too. I think I'm not
Speaker 1: buying into to the Tyrod Taylor stuff. I think that
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor, I think the Castle they brought him in
Speaker 1: to be this this bridge guy until they figure out
Speaker 1: the position, and I'm not I have not been convinced
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. So I think that he has
Speaker 1: a better chance of starting Week one. And Bradford, who
Speaker 1: seems like we just got the report he's moving a
Speaker 1: little better. It is June nine, so he still has
Speaker 1: plenty of time to get even beyond jugs machine, beyond
Speaker 1: remote control car. He can get even better. I Uh.
Speaker 1: The problem for Tyrod Taylor and Mark Sanchez is the
Speaker 1: real games are gonna happen at some point. Isn't that
Speaker 1: a problem for Matt Castle as well? Yes it is.
Speaker 1: It's a problem for all. I mean, anything could happen here,
Speaker 1: but the option of Sanchez starting week one, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with that because I just don't really trust that
Speaker 1: Bradford is going to be healthy and so that that's
Speaker 1: really the key here. As you said, Sanchez starting or
Speaker 1: anyone but Castle, so it could be manual work. Now,
Speaker 1: I happen to think there's a good chance Castle starts,
Speaker 1: but I also I am starting to think there's a
Speaker 1: good chance Sanchez starts. I don't think it's that crazy.
Speaker 1: Not only could Bradford not be healthy enough to start,
Speaker 1: but Santa's could just look good and you could just
Speaker 1: see a scenario where they play Sanchez early, saying they're
Speaker 1: giving Bradford more time and then they can pull the
Speaker 1: plug on him a lot easier. Oh, I like it.
Speaker 1: They turned his back on Matt Castle for the first
Speaker 1: time in Matt Castle's eleven year career. Greg Rest is
Speaker 1: not in his corner Stunner Mark alright, Floram Park, New York.
Speaker 1: Oh god, A doing this? This is different, you asked,
Speaker 1: I love it. You know this is actually your over
Speaker 1: silling this. I just was to where we are. Flora
Speaker 1: Brand Marshall, Gino Smith. They've been living together in Geno's house.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a great offseason thing. You know.
Speaker 1: They do the dishes together. They watch a Little House
Speaker 1: of Cards on Netflix. They're drinking cups of Sleepy Time
Speaker 1: team after practice. These two are pals. So what is
Speaker 1: more likely Brandon Marshall and Gino Smith pair for a
Speaker 1: hundred plus receptions or Marshall moves out of Geno Smith's
Speaker 1: house and talks tabloid fireball trash about the shaky passer
Speaker 1: by week six? You got me there with the robadote.
Speaker 1: Very good. What's more likely? Well, ponder your answer. Well,
Speaker 1: what you're saying means if Brandon Marshall is gonna catch
Speaker 1: a hundred, Gino Smith passes, Uh, excuse me, the other
Speaker 1: way around, Geno Smith, I can't talk. They will combine
Speaker 1: for they're gonna combine for Geno Smith probably has to
Speaker 1: start sixteen games that are close to it, and that's
Speaker 1: part of it that I don't know if it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Gino Smith and Brandon Marshall make some
Speaker 1: sweet magic and Chan Gailey's short passing offense a lot
Speaker 1: of those loves, bubble screens or whatever you wanna call them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just short passes. That's what we're focusing on here. Brandon Marshall,
Speaker 1: he's alway is a mench in year one. He's not
Speaker 1: going to talk trash about until next year. So what's
Speaker 1: the second option? They move out? Well, they're definitely moving out,
Speaker 1: and house arrangement is you know, it ends quicker than
Speaker 1: that than not because of the play on the field
Speaker 1: and Marshall's talking trash about Gino by week six. Well,
Speaker 1: here's that. I don't think that they're going to be
Speaker 1: living together all season. I think this is Well, that
Speaker 1: tells you they're not quite the two friends you thought
Speaker 1: that Marshall was married. They're both millionaires. Yeah, it seems like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I just moved to town and it's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a place we'll get it for the
Speaker 1: season type of thing. I think I don't trust Gino
Speaker 1: Smith to play sixteen games. I think he's gonna find
Speaker 1: himself being benched because his decision making is bad enough.
Speaker 1: Did you did you answer it, Hans? Uh? Did? I?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Oh no, I didn't really answer it.
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is definitely going to start at
Speaker 1: least four games for this team. So there's no way
Speaker 1: that there will be a hundred catches for Brendan Marshall
Speaker 1: coming at least coming directly from Gino Smith. What more likely?
Speaker 1: All right, this is all about your boys for the scientists, Greg,
Speaker 1: your boy Frank Gore runs for over twelve and fifty
Speaker 1: yards would be the second highest total of his career,
Speaker 1: or West your boy Odell Beckham surpasses his two thousand,
Speaker 1: fourteen receiving total, which is five yards in twelve games.
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind Frank Gore this week has said
Speaker 1: I've never seen six men in the box. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a lot of running room, and you know the
Speaker 1: cults are gonna try to run the ball. Twelve fifty
Speaker 1: for Gore over for Beckham. This one's easy and unless
Speaker 1: Beckham gets hurt, I guarantee you he does better than
Speaker 1: he did last what's a big unless Well, it's tune.
Speaker 1: But he could get hurt again. Any player in the
Speaker 1: NF was hurt last year, and news context sport if
Speaker 1: any player doesn't get hurt, they'll do it. I go
Speaker 1: Beckham too, because I don't think the Cults need Frank
Speaker 1: Gore to do that, where the Niners certainly did, and
Speaker 1: he was the centerpiece year after year. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's how that offense is gonna play out. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need a ton of carries to get to twelve, and
Speaker 1: he'll get close. But I'm gonna go Backham just because
Speaker 1: of where the two are in their careering or doesn't
Speaker 1: have breakaway ability anymore. Either. It's harder to getty yards
Speaker 1: when you aren't getting fifty or sixty yard runs. I
Speaker 1: gotta go with the inconvenient true thing. I can't smite
Speaker 1: Frank Gore and Matt Castle in the same show. Beckham
Speaker 1: just seems like if he misses five games again, it
Speaker 1: would be tough to repeat the season he had last year.
Speaker 1: If Gore misses five games, he won't get a thousand yards.
Speaker 1: That's fair, I think. I think Gore is in such
Speaker 1: a beautiful situation there that he just has to do
Speaker 1: kind of what he's been doing. I do think they'll
Speaker 1: give him three under carries. Then I think he's right.
Speaker 1: He's going to see plenty of room more than he
Speaker 1: has recently. More likely, who's up Greg too? Players I
Speaker 1: think that have been hyped the most or at least
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, we've got the big offseason addition, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham in Seattle, Lashawn McCoy over in Buffalo, who's the guy?
Speaker 1: What's more likely? Jimmy Graham is inspiring What's gone Wrong
Speaker 1: articles by mid season? Or let's Sean McCoy is inspired
Speaker 1: What's gone wrong articles? It's great. You always doubt yourself
Speaker 1: with these games, but that is great. What's more likely? Thanks,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Shawn McCoy because A that's not
Speaker 1: a premier offensive line, and I'm not sure what they're
Speaker 1: gonna ask them do. They've got terrible issues at quarterback potentially,
Speaker 1: and the same Gore. Jimmy Graham in Seattle is not
Speaker 1: unlike what how I viewed Gore in Indianapolis. It's a
Speaker 1: great matchup for Graham to be on a team that
Speaker 1: can run the ball that well, he'll have good spots.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna turn into a red zone type weapon.
Speaker 1: The whole thing could go bad, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna go bad in Seattle. The Bills have to
Speaker 1: show me they can win games. I'm with Mark. I
Speaker 1: think that a healthy Jimmy Graham, when he's not playing
Speaker 1: through a serious injury, is unstoppable. Remember the old whisper,
Speaker 1: remember that a little thing. And the Saints, I feel
Speaker 1: like they've been sending out some whispers all off season,
Speaker 1: just a little little crumbs of oh, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham isn't the player, the guy that everything that
Speaker 1: you think he is. I agree, freaking me out, I agree,
Speaker 1: he probably is not the best teammate in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Lashan McCoy is showing himself to be a crazy person,
Speaker 1: then I will say, I will say that jumping off West,
Speaker 1: so he's not. That's another one. Let me make that
Speaker 1: one point, Leshan McCoy. People forget wasn't a good player
Speaker 1: last year. It's fair it wasn't great. Um jumping off
Speaker 1: West's previous point. I believe that I'm kind of It's
Speaker 1: hard for me to make a judgment here because I'm
Speaker 1: partial or impartial. Les Sean McCoy is not on my
Speaker 1: s list right now. I don't like what I don't
Speaker 1: like Lashawn McCoy's offseason. He's kind of gotten under my skin.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the way he answered questions last week.
Speaker 1: I think he's come up as arrogant to me. Um
Speaker 1: so I'm on team Jimmy Plus, I think that's probably
Speaker 1: more likely that he has a nice season. There won't
Speaker 1: be those stories, all right. What more likely? Raiders linebacker
Speaker 1: Curtis Lofton recently called a bulked up Khalil Mack a monster.
Speaker 1: Dolphins linebacker Jelanni Jenkins recently called rookie DeVante Parker an animal?
Speaker 1: What's more likely Mac plays like a monster or Parker
Speaker 1: plays like an animal this season? Now, see, if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to sesslrize this post, you would have made
Speaker 1: it Khalil Mack turns into a monster, yeah, or turns
Speaker 1: into an animal? Or which animal? Would a monster or
Speaker 1: an animal? Well that's basically what I mean. But you
Speaker 1: asked the fair football question. I like that question. Everything
Speaker 1: I hear it sounds like Khalil Mack is on his
Speaker 1: way to superstar Land, even though he's stuck with a
Speaker 1: crumby team. But I see this as maybe being his
Speaker 1: breakout season to the point where I don't know, not
Speaker 1: involved with making the Leap. I'll be watching this from
Speaker 1: the outside our series this season, but I would assume
Speaker 1: he's going to be on the list. He should be. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a monster year. I think Max showed
Speaker 1: us hints of what's to come last season, and so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a player that's already put it
Speaker 1: on tape. There you go, I'm going mac to it.
Speaker 1: I do like Jack del Rio arriving there and giving
Speaker 1: maxim love over his old teammate von Miller, unnecessarily making
Speaker 1: von Miller mad? What more? Alright, Dan just mentioned making
Speaker 1: the Leap? I did. That's one of the running series
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL group starts in two weeks.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. We can pretty it up all we want,
Speaker 1: but last year we swung and missed on way too
Speaker 1: many of these players. We're doing twenty this time around,
Speaker 1: correct the boss? All right? So what is more likely?
Speaker 1: Around the NFL's Making the Leap series hits on at
Speaker 1: least ten of twenty player predictions this year, or the
Speaker 1: Boss retires after the Super Bowl to pursue a new
Speaker 1: career as a writer of adolescent mystery and novels featuring
Speaker 1: a female team Gumshoe named Jenny Silver. That definitely some
Speaker 1: of the thematic elements that you name there can tie
Speaker 1: into some of Greg's work with Delaware, which was a
Speaker 1: lot of it was about adolescent coming home of sorts
Speaker 1: for Greg Jenny Silver. So so you like myself, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't know that connection. You seem to already be
Speaker 1: thinking about the story itself, though it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 1: What was the first one? We don't remember the first
Speaker 1: an what that's subjective? How do you know if you
Speaker 1: hit on? Well, I think we can say last year
Speaker 1: that we certainly did not do that. Okay, I just
Speaker 1: because I like the Greg one, I'll go with that.
Speaker 1: I don't care about the round. You know, there should
Speaker 1: there's an addendum to this Mark's power play when Greg
Speaker 1: decides to go right take over the around the always
Speaker 1: been cooking underneath. It's always been one of the little
Speaker 1: colonels Mark Mark starts, you know, leaving around the different
Speaker 1: NFL off. Hey, you guys, hear that rumor that Greg's
Speaker 1: really into the adolescent team fiction might want to be
Speaker 1: leaving soon, like what the Saints are doing with Jimmy Graham.
Speaker 1: Doesn't it works? What more? Alright, let's do uh one
Speaker 1: more quick round? Here we go. New Browns punter and
Speaker 1: Andy Lee win Super Bowl m v P. Or Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly releases Darren Sprawls and signs Reese Witherspoon as his
Speaker 1: change of face back. I think Chip Kelly's kind of unpredictable.
Speaker 1: I'll go with b Reese Weatherspoon is playing as an
Speaker 1: Eagle because he probably knows something about her greatness that
Speaker 1: everyone else does not know yet. Well, I disagree with
Speaker 1: WESR because Cleveland went out on a Saturday. Like I said,
Speaker 1: all thirty one other teams just lazing around, sitting around
Speaker 1: watching television shows. Cleveland sends a seventh round pick from
Speaker 1: two years from now for a multiple Pro Bowl punter.
Speaker 1: That's what you do, that's how you get better. Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I think you gotta go. She's a North South runner
Speaker 1: kind of runner. Chip likes hits it up in there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: did I just hear super Bowl and Brown's in the
Speaker 1: same Yes you did, sir, So that seems crazy to you.
Speaker 1: That's the least three Cessia should just be happy that
Speaker 1: slowly doesn't know about the factory of sadness trap. Oh
Speaker 1: I do. I just have to switch alright, not too late.
Speaker 1: Just what somebody throwing out there, all right. Titans wide
Speaker 1: receivers coach Shawn Jefferson said that Marcus Mariota has been
Speaker 1: deadly accurate in O t a Is, adding that he
Speaker 1: is giddy about the rookie. So Marcus Mariota throws twenty
Speaker 1: plus touchdown passes next season as a rookie, or Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston leads the NFL and interceptions. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's very likely that Jamis Winston leads the NFL
Speaker 1: and interceptions, So I'll take that one. I strongly disagree.
Speaker 1: I think they're both very possible. But Derek Carr through
Speaker 1: twenty touchdowns, heck, Marcus Mariota can do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a better chance of happening. Mariota.
Speaker 1: Nice use of heck, wow, it's gonna bringing it back.
Speaker 1: I would go with Mariota only because you don't know
Speaker 1: how Crantastic. All the other quarterbacks in the NFL will
Speaker 1: be uh so there could you know? Somebody could be
Speaker 1: lurking out there, uh to throw thirty five interceptions? You
Speaker 1: never know anyone for more than eighteen last year, Josh
Speaker 1: mccowen's going to be a starting job, have a job
Speaker 1: all year that will be fine. That was for thirty five,
Speaker 1: since Testive already did in the mid eighties. If if
Speaker 1: eighteen was the league leader last year, that seems that
Speaker 1: has to be low because Winston is gonna throw at
Speaker 1: least twenty I would think anyway, I think that Mariota
Speaker 1: will probably do something. So I'm gonna say, sure, why
Speaker 1: not Marcus Mariota? Anybody got one of us? Are we done? Alright?
Speaker 1: One more? Last one? Here we go. Chris was more
Speaker 1: likely got a rookie wide receiver showdown here. What's more
Speaker 1: likely Brashad param leads to the Ravens and receiving yards
Speaker 1: or Kevin White leads the Bears in receiving yards. M hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Perriman because Alshan Jefferies still to me
Speaker 1: one of the best young white house in the league,
Speaker 1: whereas Perriman's it's a more uncertain situation. Steve Smith is ancient. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a real chance in Baltimore for him to do that.
Speaker 1: And they've got a functional quarterback that we all trust
Speaker 1: to some degree, and they are a well run team
Speaker 1: that's done a good job with young players. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go perman. I feel like with that haircut, that hairline,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna inspire confidence from It's gonna shave it
Speaker 1: go the end, and there's gotta be Kevin White. You
Speaker 1: always go with the player. It's like fantasy football. Let's
Speaker 1: go with the better player. Good job that is, that's
Speaker 1: what's more likely. Uh. And that is the end of
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