Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. Here's so work out wonder.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another addition to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanzas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Christoph Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosat. What's up? Boys? Christoph? Why do I gotta
Speaker 1: be French? You don't like that? I like it. I
Speaker 1: think you should. That basically should be Chris's name from
Speaker 1: here on it. Just like Philly Philly Brown's mother named
Speaker 1: him Corey Brown, he now goes by Corey. My mother
Speaker 1: named me Christopher Philly Brown. I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: in the way of Mrs Wesley. It was never really Philly.
Speaker 1: That was a name that was tagged on him, and
Speaker 1: he went with it for a little bit, starting the
Speaker 1: show with a lot of Philly Brown. It is June two,
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. We get closer and closer to
Speaker 1: training camp than the regular season, and in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and then the Super Bowl and the free agency and
Speaker 1: then the combine and then the draft, and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back here again. And then you're offseason controversy. Yes,
Speaker 1: whatever is next the next gate. We have a very
Speaker 1: nice show today. The group is all together, which is
Speaker 1: always fun. We are going to get into some news,
Speaker 1: a lot of news to get into. Uh. And what's
Speaker 1: been a pretty busy day is offseason training activities continue.
Speaker 1: Mark that's better known as what a shorthand? What is?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? There you go. I was in my own world, friend,
Speaker 1: I got you there and Uh, Mark's looking at that clocks.
Speaker 1: He knows he's out here at three o'clock. No, I'm
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Speaker 1: We we get on mark, you know. And and for
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Speaker 1: TD has got to clear it. We are also, in
Speaker 1: addition to the news, going to uh get into list
Speaker 1: and everybody loves to do a little power rankings. Uh.
Speaker 1: And yes June second, very early, but you know, from
Speaker 1: where we stand now in the early or the mid
Speaker 1: stages of offseason training even the late stages. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: let's check in and share our five top teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL as we head toward training camp and our
Speaker 1: five bottom feeders, and see how bad we look come
Speaker 1: January or good we look in West's case because he's
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Speaker 1: ten teams are gonna be perfectly accurate. But before we
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Speaker 1: Seth Bladder kicking him out of FIFA. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of people are excited about that, including that damn yank.
Speaker 1: Replacing TD today is the great Sean Sullivan. We call
Speaker 1: him Heyo Sully. What's up, guys, going well, doing really well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to be a part of the plot, are
Speaker 1: you I mean, this is a big, big good moment.
Speaker 1: This is Stitcher Award winning show, So there's a bar
Speaker 1: that you need to stay above and not drag the
Speaker 1: show down. Are you nervous at all? Uh? No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not nervous. I feel like we're kind of wasting
Speaker 1: Sean's greatest gift putting him on air because the people
Speaker 1: can't see his mustache, which is really the defining part
Speaker 1: of Sean best stash in the game right now at
Speaker 1: NFL Media and uh, it might. The days are numbered
Speaker 1: for this toaf because of a certain nickname that Check is.
Speaker 1: Oh we won't say it on the say it on
Speaker 1: the air here on on a t N. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, but when we get downstairs, I'll you know,
Speaker 1: I'll give it to Check a little bit, because that's
Speaker 1: not right. Yeah, it's not right. It's gonna No one
Speaker 1: shames him into shaving that beard. That's true. But if
Speaker 1: you if you're trying to imagine Sean, just imagine a
Speaker 1: beautiful mustache and a hair that looks exactly like every
Speaker 1: man from Alabama. Yeah, never Alabama, every friend. I could
Speaker 1: accept that. Hey, Sully, can we do some news? All right?
Speaker 1: We start with the big news of the day. Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings have got their running back back in the building.
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson returned to the team. Uh, he's back. He
Speaker 1: is joining the team in O T A S after
Speaker 1: you know, not a holdout, but he was sitting out
Speaker 1: O T S. Was unhappy with his contract, was unhappy
Speaker 1: with the team. Uh. He made his unhappiness clear on
Speaker 1: Twitter last week, which maybe he thought, oh, maybe this
Speaker 1: is hinting at something longer, but instead here he is.
Speaker 1: He's with the team. He also spoke to the media
Speaker 1: um after Mike Zimmer first spoke and said that you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing more beautiful than seeing the ball in Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson's hands and welcoming back with open arms. A P
Speaker 1: comes out says, it's been an emotional time for both
Speaker 1: the parties involved. He's learned from his mistake, he's moving forward,
Speaker 1: and he's ready for what's in front of him. Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: a P is back. Were you surprised that happened today? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Based on what you said the twitter comments, it seemed
Speaker 1: like they were starting to dig in their heels. I
Speaker 1: expected him to be back eventually, but not so soon.
Speaker 1: But you got the sense today listening to him speak,
Speaker 1: he just missed football and he he knew it wasn't
Speaker 1: helping him, and maybe him and his agent decided if
Speaker 1: they if they want to get their money, maybe the
Speaker 1: better route here is to come in, do the work,
Speaker 1: and maybe eventually you'll get some guaranteed money. In two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, this was all he had no leverage, right,
Speaker 1: so there really was nothing to gain other than like
Speaker 1: going all out, and he said he said during this
Speaker 1: pressent conference that he a lot went through his head.
Speaker 1: He even mentioned remember one around the NFL post we
Speaker 1: wrote a while back that track was something that was
Speaker 1: in his mind, like he went through all these stages retirement,
Speaker 1: but ultimately I guess he decided, uh, you know, there's
Speaker 1: no leverage. I missed the game. I want to be
Speaker 1: there with my teammates, and here he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: the twitter ranted he went on last week. Maybe when
Speaker 1: when any when any of us do anything like that,
Speaker 1: some version of that, you think it's gonna be responded
Speaker 1: to a certain way. And it was certainly not responded
Speaker 1: to positively in general. But maybe you know, over the
Speaker 1: course of time after that, he just reset the machine
Speaker 1: and the vikings of the winners here. They didn't have
Speaker 1: to pay him an extra cent. They get him back
Speaker 1: and Mike Zimmer, who who thought last year Mike Zimmer
Speaker 1: would go into his first year as an NFL head
Speaker 1: coach with a rookie quarterback and no Adrian Peterson. That's
Speaker 1: not what he signed up for. He has Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: back now and and he played a huge role in that.
Speaker 1: Peterson said, Zimmer played a bigger role in me returning
Speaker 1: than he'll ever know. That he's a coach. You don't
Speaker 1: want to let down that he never had a problem
Speaker 1: with any of the coaches, that he thinks they're one
Speaker 1: of the best coaching staffs he's ever been, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing or in the NFL, and that he loves his
Speaker 1: teammates and ultimately thought he owed it to them, so
Speaker 1: he made it clear he was he was separating the
Speaker 1: coaches from the management. Zimmer handled this whole thing beautifully,
Speaker 1: I thought. A couple of months back he traveled uh
Speaker 1: to Houston and and and spoke with Peterson at the house.
Speaker 1: He kind of he never said anything to really inflame
Speaker 1: the situation. Last week, Uh, he came out and was
Speaker 1: just straight honest. I don't think it was antagonistic or anything.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, just said what everybody knew
Speaker 1: that he was going to play with the Vikings are
Speaker 1: not play at all. Obviously that relationship maybe that's strained
Speaker 1: like everyone else with Peterson of the Vikings, but it
Speaker 1: seemed that, uh that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he respected Zimmer and that played a role in this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there was a love fest going on both ways.
Speaker 1: Zimmer said, you know, I love this kid, I really do.
Speaker 1: I've said all along I wouldn't fly to Houston to
Speaker 1: see him if it wasn't important to me Um, And
Speaker 1: then you could see the respect on both sides. He thinks,
Speaker 1: you know, despite what Adrian Peterson went through last year,
Speaker 1: you can tell that he thinks Adrian Peterson is a
Speaker 1: good person and he wants to see him succeed. They
Speaker 1: stressed that a lot, and Peterson took a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about his son. I thought, for a guy who
Speaker 1: is not known for being a good public speaker, I
Speaker 1: think he's probably struggled with that throughout his career. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a very emotional and honest and effective
Speaker 1: press conference. He was speaking from the heart, and he's
Speaker 1: seemed like a more mature and a little bit of
Speaker 1: a changed guy after going through all this and and
Speaker 1: the stuff he did talk about his son. You know,
Speaker 1: I know it's not a topic we we talked about
Speaker 1: a lot, but I think it was an important point.
Speaker 1: The things that he said he learned in therapy and
Speaker 1: the parenting methods, and he apologized for it, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now now we can all move on. I think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Peterson didn't have much sympathy is
Speaker 1: because of that that he didn't come across as someone
Speaker 1: for the past eight or nine months who was sorry
Speaker 1: about what he did, who realized he was wrong for
Speaker 1: join it. And I think today, like you said, there
Speaker 1: was more of a maturity there. Maybe he did have
Speaker 1: an epiphany that this isn't the way that you should
Speaker 1: act as a human being. So I think that you're
Speaker 1: right that there is a change in him. Alright, moving on,
Speaker 1: So Peterson is in Minnesota and Cam Newton he's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. He's gonna stay in Charlotte for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: Uh Newton and the Pathers agreed officially on Tuesday to
Speaker 1: a five year, one hundred and three million dollar extension
Speaker 1: that will keep Newton under team control through the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty season. Uh NFL media insider Ian rapp Report reported
Speaker 1: that Newton will earn sixty seven point six million in
Speaker 1: the first three years of his deal, according to a source,
Speaker 1: that is the most money ever in a three year period,
Speaker 1: and the guarantees are for the five year deal is
Speaker 1: sixty million thirty million in the first year. So that's
Speaker 1: big time money. And I thought it was interesting sixty
Speaker 1: million guaranteed. The guy that you know complete percentages in
Speaker 1: his career, so to me, not a complete quarterback at
Speaker 1: the stage. But uh, Mark, I'll start with you on this.
Speaker 1: When Newton came out last week and said that he
Speaker 1: had seals that no one else really has ever had,
Speaker 1: that's true too. There's a lot to get excited about,
Speaker 1: and they paid for it. Yeah, and I know those comments.
Speaker 1: We talked about it here and a lot of people
Speaker 1: kind of chuckled at that. But when you talk about
Speaker 1: what he brings to the table in terms of his
Speaker 1: size and unique athleticism, he is right. There aren't a
Speaker 1: lot of other quarterbacks in our lifetime that from that
Speaker 1: angle offer what he what he does, he's incomplete. At
Speaker 1: the same time, this is the game. If you have
Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks, you pay them that money and
Speaker 1: you don't look back. I mean, for all the all
Speaker 1: the fans that root for teams without a quarterback, you
Speaker 1: would take Cam Newton at that rate any day of
Speaker 1: the week went up, and you can't just throw out
Speaker 1: the impact he has in the running game. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: a consistent passing quarterback. We get it. Eventually, Newton's running
Speaker 1: is gonna slow down, But for now and for the
Speaker 1: next you know, few years. His running is wildly valuable
Speaker 1: in the way it changes the defense and the way
Speaker 1: the defense has to react on play action and when
Speaker 1: they do read action I mean a little bit. That's
Speaker 1: a huge part of his game, and to me, that's
Speaker 1: what makes him a top ten quarterback. If it wasn't
Speaker 1: for the running, he wouldn't be that high. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the guys he's closest to in playing style, or
Speaker 1: Donovan nab and Ben Ben Roethlisberger, who earlier in their
Speaker 1: career were sandlock quarterbacks with you know, especially with mcnah
Speaker 1: major accuracy issues and then they became better pocket passers
Speaker 1: as a career win along. But I think Mark's right.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of debate, a lot of airtime in bandwidth,
Speaker 1: but we wasted. Is he worth this contract? It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you're identified as the face of the franchise.
Speaker 1: If you're a legit franchise quarterback and the Panthers believe
Speaker 1: he is, you pay him whatever it takes. When did
Speaker 1: everyone get so concerned about well, you know, I that's
Speaker 1: a little too much guaranteed money in the first two years.
Speaker 1: I wish they had spread You're right, I was always
Speaker 1: I think that well, the Joe Flacco contract changed the way.
Speaker 1: When that happened, there was such a firestorm around is
Speaker 1: he worth it? Is he not? It's like, you just
Speaker 1: want a super Bowl with this guy. Yes, he's worth it.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever asked, well, what's your alternative right not sign
Speaker 1: him and start all over. I look at it is. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have a salary cap and it takes up a
Speaker 1: big portion of it, but they're worth forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: They're worth more. The quarterbacks are worth so much more
Speaker 1: than all the other players. That's how much. That's how
Speaker 1: much they're worth. So if they're worth a couple of
Speaker 1: it should be stated that Newton has been a five
Speaker 1: quarterback through four seasons, which isn't all on him. And he's,
Speaker 1: like I said, he's not a complete passer. He's a
Speaker 1: little erratic, has been since he came in the league.
Speaker 1: Kevin Clark at Wall Street Journal had a tweet that
Speaker 1: I liked yesterday. He said, most quarterbacks are like tech startups.
Speaker 1: Almost all the money they get is because of fear
Speaker 1: of missing out, which is an Internet slang fomo. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is like the fomo effect, Like these guys are
Speaker 1: going to get whether they're complete quarterbacks or not. If
Speaker 1: you're young and promising in the front office likes you.
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill also applause. They'll give you superstar money and
Speaker 1: just hope that they hit on you because they do
Speaker 1: not want to try to find They don't want to
Speaker 1: be the Jets. They don't want to be the Browns.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be the Bengals. Bengals are a
Speaker 1: weird case, but they You want to just get behind
Speaker 1: the guy you believe in and hope it works out
Speaker 1: even if he never improves. Essentially, he's still worth getting
Speaker 1: this contract. In West's article here, how there's an NFC
Speaker 1: general manager who told ESPN recently that Newton might be
Speaker 1: too two years away from being finished finished. That was
Speaker 1: a mid season last year when the Panthers were three
Speaker 1: eight and one, and there was all that question at
Speaker 1: the time about running quarterbacks. And I remembered reading that.
Speaker 1: That's why I went back and found it, because I
Speaker 1: thought that was crazy that in two years he could
Speaker 1: be out of it. There's a sense that he just
Speaker 1: didn't get how to play quarterback. But I think that
Speaker 1: sells a lot of his improvements short and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to me, nobody ever says, what's your alternative?
Speaker 1: But more than that, when you're a team like you said,
Speaker 1: five hundred, every year they go to the playoffs. The
Speaker 1: last two years, the first quarterback ever to win the
Speaker 1: NFC South and back to back seasons, you're not if
Speaker 1: you decide to get rid of Newton, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: pay him. You're not drafting first or fifth. You're drafting
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a quarterback. You can go years
Speaker 1: without finding a quarterback worth starting. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: happened longest teams. He's coming off a bad season, a
Speaker 1: relatively bad regular season. I think his speakiness is his
Speaker 1: defining trade. You of writing at the first few weeks
Speaker 1: that he was a top five quarterbacktly he had. He
Speaker 1: had a top five type of month and he had
Speaker 1: a seven eight game stretch in the middle that was
Speaker 1: far worse than almost any of these quarterbacks ever go through.
Speaker 1: That got the big contract, and then he finished very strong.
Speaker 1: So that's that's Cam Newton. He can be streaky within
Speaker 1: a game too. He can be on fire but the
Speaker 1: first half and then throw very poorly in the second.
Speaker 1: His season, though, was a kind of a lesson on
Speaker 1: how to evaluate quarterbacks. Almost every time we see an
Speaker 1: established quarterback playing poorly, it's because the surrounding talent just
Speaker 1: absolutely falls apart. His offensive line at mid season last
Speaker 1: year was atrocious. Remember that Monday night game against the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton was getting hit every time he dropped back.
Speaker 1: And then solidified their offensive line, Kelvin Benjamin emerges as
Speaker 1: in number one. They start to get Jericho Contry and
Speaker 1: Philly Brown playing all right. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: was more about the surrounding talent and the fact that
Speaker 1: Cam Newton was playing injured and that Panther's team down
Speaker 1: the stretches. So I think a lot closer to what
Speaker 1: we're gonna cease right away this season. They aren't what
Speaker 1: they were. And you know, and with these young quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: we have to realize that when we're gonna start them
Speaker 1: from week one as a rookie, that they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go through this streakiness in these periods on the field.
Speaker 1: They're not going through two years of practice behind the shadows,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to deal with that. But like
Speaker 1: I take Newton in a second over us about this,
Speaker 1: who would you take for the next five years. Cam
Speaker 1: Newton or Ryan Tannehill, Damn, no question. I take camp
Speaker 1: in any offense, in any such Yeah, I have absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I think the kind because I would just let
Speaker 1: me just say this. Tannehill last year showed and I
Speaker 1: know it's a different offense and all that, but showed
Speaker 1: actual tangible growth in year three. Newton's already through year
Speaker 1: four and he's still kind of up and down. Tannehill
Speaker 1: maybe has more big things a rookie that Tannehill stay
Speaker 1: hasn't done yet. I mean Tannehill, you cannot over you
Speaker 1: cannot over say how much that gimmick offense helped Tannehill
Speaker 1: this year. He wasn't making throws down the field. Everything
Speaker 1: was quick hitters. It's telling the contract they got. And
Speaker 1: I know we don't want to dive too deep into
Speaker 1: the numbers, but Cam did get that. I mean, this
Speaker 1: was a much different contract than Tannehill. They treated him
Speaker 1: much differently. He got the Joe Flacco Tony romo. The
Speaker 1: top of the line. You're gonna get all your guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: There's no year by year. You're just getting all the
Speaker 1: money year ago. It's interesting that these quarterbacks that Kappern
Speaker 1: Kaepernick deal, which looks terrible and that, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: Dalton deal like that seemed like maybe a lot of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that weren't like the top eight guys would
Speaker 1: be roped into those type of deals, But apparently that's
Speaker 1: not the case. And I'd love to just to your
Speaker 1: point on Tannehill, I would absolutely love to see what
Speaker 1: Cam Newton could do in a Chip Kelly or Bill
Speaker 1: Laser offense. That's that's interesting. Moving on more extension talk.
Speaker 1: The New Orleans Saints, who have, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of turnover, especially on that defense, they have now identified
Speaker 1: someone that they see as a real building block, Cameron
Speaker 1: Jordan's the defense. Event signed a five year extension on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: The extension includes fifty five million and new money over
Speaker 1: the five years. Million is in the first two years
Speaker 1: of the deal. And Greg, you said, this is practically
Speaker 1: starting quarterback money. Uh, Is Cameron Jordan's worth this type
Speaker 1: of money? I was a little surprised at the numbers,
Speaker 1: and you always have to read the fine print, but
Speaker 1: twenty six million over the next two years for for
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan's that seems a little steep for me. He's
Speaker 1: a very good player. I I don't think he's shown
Speaker 1: that he's a superstar. He was a superstar two years ago.
Speaker 1: He wasn't last year, So how do you have been
Speaker 1: in the league four years? Kind Of like Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: He's a very good starter and he might make a
Speaker 1: few more Pro Bowls in his career and he might not.
Speaker 1: He's good against the run. I think he can work
Speaker 1: in any system. He's the type of guy if you're
Speaker 1: three four he can play in. You can move him inside.
Speaker 1: He's a very good piece, and they they're looking for
Speaker 1: defensive piece. I was just a little surprised for a
Speaker 1: team that has a lot of big contracts over the
Speaker 1: years and a lot of salary cap problems that he's
Speaker 1: getting paid like a superstar. Yeah, their GM hasn't done
Speaker 1: the best job with the contracts. I think two years
Speaker 1: ago he was the best three four end not named J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt last year and that contributed to the surprise finished
Speaker 1: and then last year he didn't play as well when
Speaker 1: they were the worst defense in the NFL, I think,
Speaker 1: so I think he has to take some of the
Speaker 1: blame for that, but it's hard to know because the
Speaker 1: whole defense melted down. Guys, we were Kenny Kara, who
Speaker 1: we were writing long glowing posts about as a rookie
Speaker 1: bench last season, so who knows what was going on.
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan's is amazingly only the second first round pick
Speaker 1: under Sean Payton to sign a second contract with the
Speaker 1: same and the first one was mark Ingram, who did
Speaker 1: not really sign a big deal. So they have really
Speaker 1: struggled to identify kind of core Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis.
Speaker 1: That's Mickey Lomis and Sean p and I put put
Speaker 1: them both on it. So they've especially too much time
Speaker 1: with the Pelicans in New Orleans. If you're Mickey Lomis,
Speaker 1: by the way, better name Cameron Jordan's or Jordan Cameron
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordans. I don't think it's that close. I don't
Speaker 1: like Jordan as a first name. Don't not in love
Speaker 1: with Jordan's. I like Cameron, So you prefer Kirk, Cameron,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's way to go, Greg, No, that's the last name.
Speaker 1: Don't just like that. I've always been in But that's
Speaker 1: why these kids are now called that. Well, the Browns
Speaker 1: called up Jordan's Cameron, yes, thinking they calling him, and
Speaker 1: they were calling the other one when they drafted him.
Speaker 1: That's a good organization. By the way, Mark, you are
Speaker 1: a big Kirk Cameron fan of his films, this is
Speaker 1: your chance to defend Cameron's honor. Never seen a film
Speaker 1: of his. I did watch his television. The worst story
Speaker 1: about Kirk Cameron, who seems kind of crazy, is when
Speaker 1: he found God or found Jesus Christ at during Growing Pains,
Speaker 1: like in the tale in the Growing Pains Figures Approaching,
Speaker 1: he got he got his girlfriend fired off the show
Speaker 1: because she had a history with Playboy. True story. What
Speaker 1: was the Kirk Cameron uh Dudley Moore movie where they
Speaker 1: switched places, Hey by the Way to sex Father like Son.
Speaker 1: I saw that twice at that they were like thirty
Speaker 1: bodies switch movies in the eighties like that seven I
Speaker 1: was like twelve to eight percent of the people listening.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cameron was a mid level sitcom at level sitcom show. Okay,
Speaker 1: high level sitcom actor on AM mid the upper level
Speaker 1: sitcom show. I don't think people though. Kirk. He was
Speaker 1: on the cover of all the Girl teeny Popper magazines
Speaker 1: when we were in like junior high exactly that by
Speaker 1: the Way West that had a log stay in powers.
Speaker 1: At that point, he was on top of the let's
Speaker 1: see him popping up and knew, like so time you
Speaker 1: know drop he is. He's a big name. West downstairs
Speaker 1: just told us that he has not been to a
Speaker 1: movie since Sideways, which was so that you've seen a
Speaker 1: Dudley Moore slash Kirk Cameron movie twice in the theater
Speaker 1: is telling to me this is gonna be hard for
Speaker 1: you guys to believe, but stay with me here you can.
Speaker 1: It's two fifteen. You can watch movies on a personal
Speaker 1: handheld device and wait for it to come to your
Speaker 1: house via Netflix or Amazon. Not a movie magic the experience.
Speaker 1: I love the Banks for the hot tip we all know,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it really reflects on me that
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight traffic and other human beings
Speaker 1: to go to him. Can I just say something interesting
Speaker 1: about West, who's previously shared with us that he does
Speaker 1: not go to rock concerts because he feels the music
Speaker 1: doesn't translate and he doesn't like to be around people.
Speaker 1: Also doesn't go to movie theaters. You're you're inching closer
Speaker 1: into the shut in world with the boxes all around you,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they find your body under
Speaker 1: a pile of clothes, and you know, age forty nine,
Speaker 1: I mean a bomb or two points. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that about concerts. That just eliminated you from that extra
Speaker 1: Wilco ticket. Extra Wilco ticket, Well those were for Dan
Speaker 1: and I. Anyways, I thought, wait, Wilco. Yeah, say I'm
Speaker 1: breaking news. That's what I forgot to tell Danna about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to a Wilco show at some point,
Speaker 1: when I think it's in August. He dislayd the preseason
Speaker 1: action the West. I don't actually think that you'll become
Speaker 1: a Hordor and be in your house forever. That was
Speaker 1: the joke. I feel better about my life now because
Speaker 1: I was starting to really do some self reflection. You
Speaker 1: are the most You're you're the social guy. You're the
Speaker 1: one that has everyone over interesting house, is what you mean.
Speaker 1: I'm a very social guy, but I like to have
Speaker 1: people I like around. But you also people I don't
Speaker 1: like around me. You like going to pubs, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are many times you went to Huckapoos where
Speaker 1: it was a full house, right, and I knew almost
Speaker 1: everybody in there, so you got okay. So you gotta
Speaker 1: know the people underrated. Moment though in life, at least
Speaker 1: for me, is like the moment you emerge from the
Speaker 1: movies doors back out into the world. You've just been
Speaker 1: in that movie world for a couple of hours. I'm
Speaker 1: back out. I just like a cocoon. I love that.
Speaker 1: That's why I like You're like the caterpillar turning into
Speaker 1: a butterfly. That was like a Cameron Crow monologue. Greg
Speaker 1: just dropped on us. When I leave the magic of
Speaker 1: the theater and open those doors, I look at the
Speaker 1: world in a different way. Crow. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: bad Finger song comes on. All right, Moving on, Roger Goodell,
Speaker 1: who is the commissioner who you may know that sometimes
Speaker 1: under fire. Uh. He is involved right now in this
Speaker 1: Tom Brady appeal, the four game suspension. Uh. There was
Speaker 1: a chance for the Brady camp or the nfl p
Speaker 1: A to uh, you know, ask Goodell to recuse himself
Speaker 1: from the appeal and have someone else handle the appeal
Speaker 1: of Brady suspension, But Goodell informed the union on Tuesday
Speaker 1: that he will not recuse himself from the June appeal hearing.
Speaker 1: According to a letter obtained by rap Sheet, UM, Brady
Speaker 1: is trying to eliminate that four game suspension. And I
Speaker 1: guess considering that, uh, you know Brady or Goodell was
Speaker 1: involved with handing down the band, that you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: him involved with the appeal. But that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Goodell's involved now, West tell me if I'm right now.
Speaker 1: The final step in all this to kind of soothe
Speaker 1: everything now is Rog slashes a suspension in half and
Speaker 1: then he gets a little bit or even by you know,
Speaker 1: down to one game, gets in crafts good graces. Brady
Speaker 1: still gets punished, the Patriots still pay the money and
Speaker 1: lose the picks, but Brady's back in the field by
Speaker 1: week two or three and everything's okay. Is that how
Speaker 1: it plays out? That's not the sense I give from
Speaker 1: listening to Roger Goodell speak. He doesn't seem conciliatory in
Speaker 1: any fashion. And I think he wants to see the
Speaker 1: text that Brady wasn't given up. I did, like, uh,
Speaker 1: there was a sighting in the letter that it said,
Speaker 1: you know, according to the collective bargaining, using the collective
Speaker 1: bargaining agreement and common sense. And then he went into
Speaker 1: his point just just basically saying common sense says, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be uh guy that is brought up to
Speaker 1: trial during an appeal if I'm hearing the appeal, and
Speaker 1: common sense says, I'm gonna just keep this guy's I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make the decision you guys, won't. I mean, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel like the Craft and Goodell
Speaker 1: longtime pals, have some sort of win win agreement behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. But really, for all the fire that Goodell takes,
Speaker 1: if he goes and reverses or cuts in half reduces
Speaker 1: the decision he made up there so much thought just
Speaker 1: weeks ago, doesn't he look even weaker? I mean, what
Speaker 1: it seems like he's got to stick to me. It's
Speaker 1: a little bit about job security too. Put out the
Speaker 1: olve branch and maybe it helps you down the line.
Speaker 1: But what they said, though, was that the other thirty
Speaker 1: one teams gained a lot of respect for Goodale for
Speaker 1: coming down hard on the Patriots. He went out of
Speaker 1: his way when I read this letter to say my
Speaker 1: mind is open. And of course, you know you you
Speaker 1: would expect him to say my mind is open. But
Speaker 1: I think this was the key part where he said,
Speaker 1: I've publicly expressed my appreciation to Ted Wells and his colleagues.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I'm wedded to their conclusions or their
Speaker 1: assessment of fact. Blah blah blah. I may reach a
Speaker 1: different conclusion about Brady's conduct inter discipline imposed. I think
Speaker 1: the door is open the way that the Patriots ended
Speaker 1: up not fighting this to knock it down, to buy
Speaker 1: a game whenever. That's what I would predict whenever in
Speaker 1: life you find yourself in a corner, you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: You he told us what's to do. Right there? You
Speaker 1: throw Ted Wells under the bus and you are fine.
Speaker 1: That's how you operate. Because they kind of made it
Speaker 1: like Troy Vincent and made the decision before that. He
Speaker 1: was the one that really recommended the suspension, even though
Speaker 1: of course Goodell has to approve. That was Troy Vincent
Speaker 1: and Ted Wells as proof. And now Goodell in theory
Speaker 1: could come to a different Greg, would you like to
Speaker 1: go in? Oh, two things? Two sandwich props with you?
Speaker 1: Greg Scales at one? Okay, that's fine. Now you don't
Speaker 1: have to ask anymore. I say it will be frozen.
Speaker 1: There's no gross. It will be reduced by at least
Speaker 1: two games. Take me on a sandwich now, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to root against that. That's a good you know,
Speaker 1: I I think it'll be one game, But why would
Speaker 1: I want to? I would hope there's no games. I
Speaker 1: don't want to root against a good outcome for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: My my job, my life as a fan, overwhelms my
Speaker 1: desire for I thought your whole thing is taking every
Speaker 1: sandwich bet Well not, I don't. I don't like this. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about on a sandwich that Entourage makes at least
Speaker 1: thirty million in this weekend. Well, it's tricky, it has
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, but it's a Wednesday opening.
Speaker 1: I've done some research and al right, first three days
Speaker 1: in post production? Can you put that horrible Jane's Addiction
Speaker 1: song behind this conversation? Which horrible jan which one? It's
Speaker 1: the opening credits for the show. Oh oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. I hope you have, Jane says a
Speaker 1: Horrible Jane's Addictions. No no, no, no, that you meant
Speaker 1: Pincott stealing or no that I'm gonna be stealing your sandwich? Okay?
Speaker 1: And now, yeah, I under I'm saying for the five
Speaker 1: day opening weekend, no five see five days too long.
Speaker 1: You just added two whole days. That's not Come on,
Speaker 1: I'm saying the three best days they have won't equal
Speaker 1: thirty million. Wow, I think you need to get on
Speaker 1: Dan's wavelengked here go with the whole five days. Well,
Speaker 1: that's insane. He just changed it from three days to never.
Speaker 1: I never formally laid out the what it was. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be a man. I'm not doing that. I
Speaker 1: think that's where that's that changes the whole game. So
Speaker 1: it won't make thirty million over five days, or it
Speaker 1: will over three days, but over five days and things.
Speaker 1: I think it would over five days that accomplished nothing
Speaker 1: and was not satisfied. Right, we've made no all right,
Speaker 1: how about this over three days? Okay? Okay, moving on.
Speaker 1: So you got swindled the Denver Broncos. The Denver Broncos
Speaker 1: to sandwiches. Oh no, you didn't take the first one,
Speaker 1: which three days? The first three days right, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: Monty Ball and see West just to get back at
Speaker 1: me for the hoarders is going to go see on
Speaker 1: tracks like thirty times? No, have you ever seen that dress?
Speaker 1: The show would watch? That would be helpy? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just realized it would help. I watched the first three
Speaker 1: or four you uh seasons in the binge watching category. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I liked the first couple of seasons, and then
Speaker 1: I was out a spoiler. All the bros end up
Speaker 1: okay in the end. Hey, Thenny, what's gonna happen? We're
Speaker 1: in trouble. Relax, guys, we could always go back to
Speaker 1: Queens Movie. That was every episode ever of Entourage. Everything
Speaker 1: everyone had made a yen in it too, uh. Alright?
Speaker 1: Moving on, Monty Ball and c J. Anderson are two
Speaker 1: of the top running backs for the Broncos. C J.
Speaker 1: Anderson obviously broke out last year looked really good and
Speaker 1: when he was on the field. Manti Ball, who entered
Speaker 1: the season as not only uh the presumptive lead running back,
Speaker 1: he was also making the leap candidate for around the NFL,
Speaker 1: didn't work out that way. He struggled with injuries. Anderson
Speaker 1: had a big year. However, Ball thinks that he has
Speaker 1: a chance to really be a big time player this year.
Speaker 1: Still had this to say, I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: splitting carries with him. Referring to Anderson, I think we're
Speaker 1: two really good backs in the system that we love
Speaker 1: to keep the ball on the ground, so we love
Speaker 1: this system. He views himself as one B to CJ.
Speaker 1: Anderson's one as you call him BS. No, he views
Speaker 1: himself that way because that's what the coaches have told him.
Speaker 1: I did this post purely as a service for the
Speaker 1: fantasy footballers who keep falling from the banana and the
Speaker 1: tailpipe in Denver that whoever is their number one running
Speaker 1: back in August is going to finish the year as top.
Speaker 1: You know, Fabriano has always got like Monte Ball as
Speaker 1: a first round pick. Everybody this year is gonna have c. J.
Speaker 1: Anderson's the first round pick, and like three different running
Speaker 1: backs are gonna start for the Broncos this year throughout
Speaker 1: the season. Who is in that team since Throrell Davis?
Speaker 1: Whoever sustained There have been breakout guys, but who's ever
Speaker 1: sustained it over two years? Portoise for two years? Maybe
Speaker 1: that's about it for a couple of years. Yeah, Anderson
Speaker 1: is good. I mean that's I think the zone blocking
Speaker 1: scheme that Kubiak brings his reason for optimism for both.
Speaker 1: I mean, they talk about ball here as just different.
Speaker 1: In quotes, one coach said and I hope so, because
Speaker 1: I found him very impressive last year, but he was
Speaker 1: injured for because he was injured from Week one and
Speaker 1: that and that we don't hear about some of those injuries. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with with West's hot take in
Speaker 1: what you said, Mark, I I think c J. And
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that he's going to even be the
Speaker 1: starter Day one at all. This is a guy that
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere and had former coaches Adam Gates
Speaker 1: talking trash basically about his work ethic. That is a
Speaker 1: major red flag. We we talked about red flags and
Speaker 1: the build up to the real draft. This should be
Speaker 1: a one in the build up to your fantasy draft.
Speaker 1: If ex coaches are talking about your work ethic after
Speaker 1: you made the Pro Bowl on what seemed like a
Speaker 1: breakout season. He is getting drafted right now, West as
Speaker 1: the tenth player in fantasy league, right about where Monte
Speaker 1: Ball was getting drafted last year. You know, I would
Speaker 1: much rather just take Ball and whoever else makes that
Speaker 1: ross Well, Monty Ball was in our making the Leap
Speaker 1: series last year. Maybe we don't put c J. Anderson
Speaker 1: this time. Not to say that c J. Anderson was
Speaker 1: not impressively is I think Gregg particularly was I did
Speaker 1: with him. That's the thing. I did really like him.
Speaker 1: But he also system right, and that's a that's a
Speaker 1: big change. Didn't he shed tho twenty pounds or something
Speaker 1: that he's he's well, one pounds is like you have
Speaker 1: to cut off my arms. He's got time to put
Speaker 1: thirt team back on and all throughout July. We should
Speaker 1: we should we But for someone that they're saying as
Speaker 1: no work ethic and couldn't care less, you got to
Speaker 1: do a little bit of work. He changed his diet.
Speaker 1: Maybe on Thursday we'll go through some tropes. Yeah, act
Speaker 1: I was thinking Sean, as an assignment, you should create
Speaker 1: some sort of trope siren or maybe not a siren
Speaker 1: but trope alert sound drop that you can drop throughout
Speaker 1: the off season whenever the tropes pop up. So you
Speaker 1: think about that and don't blow it. And also I
Speaker 1: have ah this probably will happen when TV's back, but
Speaker 1: just be aware that I have a Jock jams h
Speaker 1: trivia coming up at you at some point. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. If you do a good job this
Speaker 1: week though, Okay, well I have two weeks to prove
Speaker 1: myself until my birth day on June. The last two
Speaker 1: producers we gave assignments to Zach Goldman is not even
Speaker 1: in the country anymore. Both exported Crystal Richard, who knows
Speaker 1: where she's She's a published author. Where's our stitcher too? Like?
Speaker 1: Where is everything? Everything? And everyone is? It leaves us?
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like it's at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're driving them away totally utterly alone, that is
Speaker 1: how it is. Then this is twice you've painted a
Speaker 1: picture with the mustache living on the edge of town
Speaker 1: with a cat named Boo and a bunch of soup cans. Alright, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. Alright, So news is done, assignment handed
Speaker 1: out to Sully and uh, you know, I got some
Speaker 1: sandwiches from Greg or at least one sandwich. That's good.
Speaker 1: I trust you, America. I wouldn't do that. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm I will never ever see this movie. But I
Speaker 1: am absolutely certain there are enough meat heads. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's gonna make ten million in New England alone.
Speaker 1: Greg's siding with the general population for the first time
Speaker 1: as as an adult. Yeah, I was. I was just
Speaker 1: thinking everybody from South America is too smart to give
Speaker 1: to give all these clowns more money. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: The Sex and the City has had two pretty months
Speaker 1: the movies, so that that's working against it's coming out
Speaker 1: like five years too late. Well that's yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's another part of it. I don't know how this
Speaker 1: movie got made, but it is, and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: tracking it closely. I'm looking forward to the How to
Speaker 1: Make It in America movie coming out in twenty It
Speaker 1: was a really bad show about sneakers. Did not have cable,
Speaker 1: all right, So alright, so people are doing power. That's
Speaker 1: this endless television woes. We didn't grow up with cable
Speaker 1: or microwaves or answering machines or anything like that. Let's
Speaker 1: do some power rankings. And by the way, I was
Speaker 1: again and I was talking to Mark about this, Uh
Speaker 1: the Boss, why we should have power? I like the
Speaker 1: sound of that, Yeah, you said, Mark the Boss. I know, Okay,
Speaker 1: switching the I'm thinking of the future when Mark pushes
Speaker 1: you out in a massive power play. But power rankings
Speaker 1: in which all six of the around the NFL writers
Speaker 1: are involved, and it's a weighted voting process, and then
Speaker 1: we have it each week, and then we could cite
Speaker 1: it randomly, like, oh, here are the cults that a
Speaker 1: number eight team on the Around the NFL power rankings.
Speaker 1: I like that by weighted, you mean that I get
Speaker 1: more weight than your Listen. Again, you're the boss for
Speaker 1: now before Mark pushes you out in a massive power play.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you could do whatever you want awaited system. No,
Speaker 1: I think we that would be weird. That would be weird.
Speaker 1: I like that idea a lot now, talking about power
Speaker 1: plays and political maneuvering. You know, power rankings. People want.
Speaker 1: You know, there is a writer for power rankings on
Speaker 1: the site, and sometimes you know, people just want Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the power rankings for the site. So we'd be
Speaker 1: looked on as an upstart that's trying to knock off
Speaker 1: the old power. Maybe we like to call it something
Speaker 1: we could use lose power and just call it something
Speaker 1: else rankings. But I also like the idea of like
Speaker 1: directly angering people within the building. Yeah, I've never been
Speaker 1: afraid of a little inter office fight. It keeps a conflict.
Speaker 1: There will be a lot of like you know, uh
Speaker 1: s talking about the around the NFL team. If we
Speaker 1: launch our own power rank. It's like Handsome Hank, the
Speaker 1: notorious ump thank you blanked out there. When he hears this,
Speaker 1: he's gonna roll his eyes and immediately come over to
Speaker 1: Greg's not hopping to it. I've already been told that
Speaker 1: I cannot do any power rankings of any sort for
Speaker 1: this company anyway. So all right, Greg, well, alright, so
Speaker 1: let's do a little power ranks, just individual and for now.
Speaker 1: The top five teams right now in your mind on
Speaker 1: June two, and the bottom five, so the top dogs,
Speaker 1: the bottom feeders. Let's start with the We'll start, We'll
Speaker 1: skew positive to start, and Mark Sessler will get going
Speaker 1: with his top five five to one. Please Mark, top five.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the off season and everyone just talks
Speaker 1: about look at what everyone did to get better. I'll
Speaker 1: about a team that didn't signed a single free agent,
Speaker 1: just went and drafted the guys they want to draft,
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers number one. But I said five to one.
Speaker 1: But spoiler alert, that's all right. Now we're going go
Speaker 1: second best team. I'm gonna go with Seattle Seahawks. Reason
Speaker 1: not to do that. Number three. I don't care what
Speaker 1: the roster tells me. Ever, New England Patriots, best coach
Speaker 1: team in the league. Number four Denver Broncos, assuming Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning does not completely fall off a cliff, I'm believing
Speaker 1: at this pointing will not. Uh. Number five Indianapolis Cults,
Speaker 1: the Cults of Indie. Mm hmmm interesting. I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: you put the Cults there. Yeah, but you've already been
Speaker 1: on record saying you see them getting wiped out in
Speaker 1: a blowout in the playoffs again this year. Am I
Speaker 1: I thought you did. Does it sound accurate to me? West? Uh?
Speaker 1: If you could maybe five to one, you could have
Speaker 1: a little bit of drama here. My I think there's
Speaker 1: more drama in in the five spot for me. Okay, well, okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, because I know what my first four are.
Speaker 1: But all right, go ahead, what are your first four?
Speaker 1: I'm with Mark. I've got Packers one Seahawks too, just
Speaker 1: like Mark does. I think they're clearly the two top
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. They're the two powerhouses. I have
Speaker 1: the Colts third. Uh. The Patriots and Broncos are weaker
Speaker 1: this year. The Colts are stronger. Um. I love their
Speaker 1: offense it's loaded, and their defense. Somehow they pick up
Speaker 1: a guy like Trent Cool, they pick up Kenda Langford,
Speaker 1: they pick up a couple impressive rookies, and everyone says
Speaker 1: they didn't improve their defense in any way. They get
Speaker 1: Robert Mathis coming back from an injury. I think they're improved.
Speaker 1: So I'll take the Colts third. I've got the Ravens
Speaker 1: penciled in at four. I'm not sold on that one though,
Speaker 1: but I think that the I think that pairman can
Speaker 1: make and make an impact right away, So I like
Speaker 1: that their defense. You they were solidly in your top four.
Speaker 1: I like that. No, I think the first three are
Speaker 1: there's a gap between three and then the rest of them,
Speaker 1: and then for five, they don't know what the Patriots
Speaker 1: have at quarterback from month. Peyton Manning is the biggest
Speaker 1: mystery in the NFL to me right now, and Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer is also a big mystery. So those three teams
Speaker 1: are eliminated. I feel more confident about the Steelers question
Speaker 1: mark at defense than I do about the other question
Speaker 1: marks at quarterback. So the Steelers are five to me,
Speaker 1: only four games there with Brady, you know, four if
Speaker 1: they go and four they're not gonna win. Who just
Speaker 1: missed the cut, So who would be six? Then Patriots,
Speaker 1: Broncos and Cardinals. Okay, what about you? Who who just missed?
Speaker 1: Who's six? I have to agree with the the situation
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. I had Steelers is my six team? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 1: Uh as far as mine, I'm also with you guys, Packers,
Speaker 1: Seahawks one too. I got the Steelers at three. I
Speaker 1: just I keep going acted how great they looked heading
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and that looked like a complete team
Speaker 1: that was rolling. And then Bell gets hurt and you're
Speaker 1: not even counting back from five. Now now I feel,
Speaker 1: once it's been established, it's over. You know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: more drama, don't this? Maybe maybe it is. They're all
Speaker 1: gonna no. It is actually absolutely correct because if we're
Speaker 1: all in that same realm. But anyway, I thought the
Speaker 1: Steelers were the a f c's most dangerous team last
Speaker 1: year before Bell got hurt. I I think that you know,
Speaker 1: he's missing a game started season, they'll be okay there.
Speaker 1: I love Roethlisberger, who was getting seems to be getting better.
Speaker 1: I think they're always in the mix. And I think
Speaker 1: the Steelers going a deep run this year. So I
Speaker 1: think they're three I got the Ravens at four, almost
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots in New England and the playoffs. Good coaching,
Speaker 1: great quarterback or very good quarterback. They got running games
Speaker 1: of defense, and uh then I put the Broncos at five.
Speaker 1: I won't. I'm not gonna put dirt on Peyton Manning yet.
Speaker 1: And for the reasons West said about the quarterback un
Speaker 1: certainty with New England and you know, a better division
Speaker 1: they're playing in. I got the Patriots just on the
Speaker 1: outside looking in, but by no means that I counting out.
Speaker 1: They're not in any top five? Were they in your
Speaker 1: top five? They were number three from me arn marks Dan.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that it's a like a preternatural sense
Speaker 1: I have for show business that I without any instruction,
Speaker 1: started at one, knowing that that's where it was. Top heavy,
Speaker 1: zero drama. Get into the drama, Hollywood, kid, Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: on top of the world. I got a little drama
Speaker 1: at the top. At least I have a different number
Speaker 1: one that I have the Seahawks one the Packers to
Speaker 1: either way just threw up both hands in the end
Speaker 1: celebration and now he's wait. Literally was a Seahawks fan.
Speaker 1: Seahawks fan I'm not from Alabama, Northern Alabama, right now,
Speaker 1: sah let me guess okay, good, well four, Well that's
Speaker 1: even a little question. Well, were you also coming of
Speaker 1: age when there was no team in Tennessee? Yes, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna allow it. What in Tennessee coming of age?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if you grew up you don't have
Speaker 1: a local I'm just it's just image, pree. Oilers move
Speaker 1: to your home. Technically I went. I went from San
Speaker 1: Antonio to Tennessee, so really didn't have So Seahawks are natural?
Speaker 1: What well, but you should have been the Oilers? Then
Speaker 1: oilers to the Titans. Uh No, I don't know Houston,
Speaker 1: San Antonio. There's about you weren't a Seahawks fan before
Speaker 1: the turn of the Central You're not allowed when you
Speaker 1: were a kid growing up when it includes TV? What
Speaker 1: grade did you move? When did you move to Tennessee?
Speaker 1: Sixth grade? Al right? What team were kids into then?
Speaker 1: Or was it was it the well by then? The Titans? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Titans were there, but East Tennessee it's it's more
Speaker 1: balls country. Why do people have to become a fan
Speaker 1: of the team of the where they live that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Most people find that happens naturally. Well, it doesn't have to,
Speaker 1: though most people should be. I was just curious, Mark.
Speaker 1: I praise you for your decision. Good luck. Mark immediately
Speaker 1: worried that he's not going to inflict the sun his
Speaker 1: sons on the Browns, I mean the brown He's like,
Speaker 1: they have to be fair. I would never make them
Speaker 1: do that neck pot m vps right here by the way.
Speaker 1: First of all, first of all, we got to mark
Speaker 1: you down. You cannot point in an audio podcast. Nobody
Speaker 1: knows who you're pointing at. Yeah. I liked what he
Speaker 1: was gregor Mark. Alright, well listen, Uh, this could be
Speaker 1: this would be the equivalent West tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: If Mark pulls this out as the equivalent of like
Speaker 1: when the Rockets and Hakim won the title with Jordan,
Speaker 1: so you win it, you would get the m v P,
Speaker 1: but it would be a little bit of well that's
Speaker 1: that's you're saying that Jordan's entire career is cooked, because
Speaker 1: that's what happens every week when TD picks his m
Speaker 1: v P. So the parallel was ridiculous. Uh did you
Speaker 1: I never finished? Yeah? You ever started? I said the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They got the best roster. I think they're won by
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, to me, there one every year
Speaker 1: until prove with it. Otherwise by just because you got
Speaker 1: the Packers, I'm putting the Patriots third. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: there every year with twelve. And do you guys always
Speaker 1: talk about it. If the Steelers can win games with
Speaker 1: Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch when Roethlisberger's just spending, why
Speaker 1: why can't they win to the I know everyone in
Speaker 1: Boston thinks that Garoppolo is the second best quarterback in
Speaker 1: the country behind Tom brad. I think he'll be good
Speaker 1: enough to win two or three games and a number
Speaker 1: of times. I mean they're gonna win eleven games down
Speaker 1: the stretch. You got the I got the Broncos fourth.
Speaker 1: I just think top to bottom, that's maybe the most
Speaker 1: talented roster in the a f C. And I think
Speaker 1: they upgrade. I really think this is underrated. John Fox
Speaker 1: and Jack del Rio, you're out the door and you
Speaker 1: get Wade Phillips and Gary Kubiak. The more I thought
Speaker 1: about it, I think that's a big time upgrade in
Speaker 1: terms of scheme and all that. And then I have
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Number five. I think their defense will get better.
Speaker 1: And you gotta look at the court. None of those
Speaker 1: Broncos coach an upgrades mean anything. If Peyton managed the
Speaker 1: same quarterback he was in December and January. Who just
Speaker 1: misses the cut for you? Oh? I didn't have the Colts,
Speaker 1: so they would pretty close. All right, let's go through
Speaker 1: the bottom five and Mark, I know you know, do
Speaker 1: you want to go one to five or five? No?
Speaker 1: You tell me, why don't we go this? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go. Your team get worse, get worse,
Speaker 1: get worse. Alright, my team is the Bucks and I
Speaker 1: this is hard because all these teams seem to have
Speaker 1: gotten better to me, so I you know, I'm still
Speaker 1: working this out. Number twenty nine the Redskins, who I
Speaker 1: you know, they just bore me. I'm board watching that team.
Speaker 1: Thirty the Jaguars, because how about prove it before I
Speaker 1: loft you up ten spots like I did last offseason.
Speaker 1: You're a lover scorned fair enough. Thirty one the Titans.
Speaker 1: I understand the two of these teams I mentioned have
Speaker 1: new quarterbacks, but they have not played it down and
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to crown them yet and number three
Speaker 1: or thirty two the Raiders because they're the Raiders belong
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, Christopher Wesley got who just missed the cut?
Speaker 1: Who's you? Well? I put the Browns, but you know,
Speaker 1: look if that if they're under the season, all right.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with Mark. All these teams are better.
Speaker 1: But the guideline for me is the last the worst
Speaker 1: five teams in the league almost every year don't have
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's the deciding factor. So I've got twenty
Speaker 1: eight the Rams. I don't think Nick Foles the answer.
Speaker 1: I watched his tape and he was terrible last season.
Speaker 1: They never have an offense. They're the definition of mediocrity
Speaker 1: every single year. Disagrees with that for sure. Well, I
Speaker 1: think one of these years the Rams are gonna win
Speaker 1: more than seven games, but I don't know when it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. The Browns. I have next again, I don't
Speaker 1: And I actually like Josh McCown, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he's good enough to kind of bring, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: they have at WAD thirty. I have the Titans. I
Speaker 1: like them for the future, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: Marriott is going to come in and light lighted up
Speaker 1: this year. Thirty one the Bucks again, same thing, rookie
Speaker 1: quarter act. I expect Winston to lead the NFL and interceptions.
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line is still a mess, and
Speaker 1: who knows about the running game. Thirty two the Raiders
Speaker 1: because that's where they belong. Yeah, you don't think they're
Speaker 1: they've gotten better to the degree they could squeak out
Speaker 1: six wins. The Raiders. Let's again, like I said last
Speaker 1: podect let's see if they can push the ball past
Speaker 1: the forty yard line and then we'll worry about win
Speaker 1: I'm worried about by the way seven yards down the fields.
Speaker 1: Let's keep rye on this Derek Carr situation. If he
Speaker 1: is not healthy or needs surgery, all bets are off
Speaker 1: with that team because they need him to be better.
Speaker 1: And he's not even healthy right now. But still a
Speaker 1: long way to training camp. All right. Uh here's my
Speaker 1: uh sorry, Mark. I think the Browns and it's the
Speaker 1: quarterback position more than anything else. I don't think they
Speaker 1: have answers there. Twenty nine and the Titans. I think
Speaker 1: Mariotta has got to learn the pro game and what
Speaker 1: I just I wish we had the looks on Mark's
Speaker 1: face would be say the Browns, well, I can't last year,
Speaker 1: last year, I was all on fire about this, but
Speaker 1: I disagree with you. And you know what, it literally
Speaker 1: looks like you're eating and then which is not. That's
Speaker 1: not the exercise, all this exercise. I think it's more
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sick of the Browns being kind of pumped
Speaker 1: up the year after year as a team that's ready
Speaker 1: to bounce back. I kinda the waist last season ended.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, and I don't like what they
Speaker 1: did with the quarter Rocks. All Right, Marks Mariota, you
Speaker 1: know he's gonna take some lumps this year. He's gotta
Speaker 1: learn how to play at this level. We don't even
Speaker 1: know if he's good. The Titans are gonna stink thirty.
Speaker 1: The Redskins, you know r G three that J Gruden
Speaker 1: RG three things, which was nasty last year. They put
Speaker 1: them together again, Let's see what happens. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. The Raiders at thirty one. I
Speaker 1: do not have them as the worst team. I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they're near that area, um and they could
Speaker 1: easily go to and fourteen again. But I think the
Speaker 1: Jaguars will be worse. I thought the Fouler injury was
Speaker 1: devastating to them. He could have been a difference maker
Speaker 1: on their defense. And uh, I'm not sold on Blake
Speaker 1: Bortles and all the trope talk about his new cateics
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. So I think they
Speaker 1: will be very bad. Once again, where did you have
Speaker 1: the Raiders? I had them, and the Forts just missed
Speaker 1: it for me. There again, Jim town Seula, you know,
Speaker 1: rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, unfortunately not a
Speaker 1: great way. It's like he got a helicopter to the
Speaker 1: Titanic after it hit the iceberg, which is not fair.
Speaker 1: This is this is tough. I really don't feel like
Speaker 1: there are that many terrible looking teams. We always think that,
Speaker 1: but there will be not usually. I do think there's
Speaker 1: a few more. I don't know. I don't I feel
Speaker 1: it was smarter. It was hard. I came up with
Speaker 1: four that I thought deserved to be on this list.
Speaker 1: The Raiders at twenty nine. I did not have them
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Okay, waiter, you're just going all over
Speaker 1: the place. I'm skip, Well, what Greg total iconoclast? All right,
Speaker 1: I'll go twenty. I don't believe it, though. I need
Speaker 1: to come up with a team that I believe is
Speaker 1: really gonna stink. I had the Browns written, but I
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I think they could be good. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. Although if you look at their skill position players,
Speaker 1: that's where it's bad. Well, that's important in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Last night, you know, I have a post going up
Speaker 1: the worst position groups. They're in the mix at quarterback,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and tight end as other than that, but
Speaker 1: their offensive line is great and their defense could be.
Speaker 1: Let me just pointing in the sports gods, sports gods,
Speaker 1: please give the Cleveland Cavaliers the NBA title. Give the
Speaker 1: people of Ohio something. Okay, I guess I just argued
Speaker 1: to put the Browns. Raiders are twenty nine, little higher
Speaker 1: than you. Defense was fine last year. That's very generous.
Speaker 1: Thirty the Chicago Bears. I like that Cutler. Finally, well,
Speaker 1: let's you know, I'm not into the coaches, I'm not
Speaker 1: into the defense. There's you know, a lot of chains there.
Speaker 1: That's fair bucks. Thirty one, and then I have the
Speaker 1: tight Tunes as the worst team in the leak. There
Speaker 1: you go, Wow, that's a tough spot for Marcus Mario
Speaker 1: to and I don't think that coaching staff on offense
Speaker 1: is gonna but we're bound to be wrong that because
Speaker 1: we basically have the Titans and Bucks picking dead last again,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. We basically tans. I mean, who
Speaker 1: is the best chance to shock as Jaguars, Raiders or Titans.
Speaker 1: I didn't put the Jaguars on this list. I would
Speaker 1: have I would have him in the top twenty or so. Well.
Speaker 1: I think this is the year they make that leap
Speaker 1: up to I think their defense is gonna be much better.
Speaker 1: I actually am not just saying this. I think the
Speaker 1: Raiders are not as bad as I put them. Which
Speaker 1: is the worst team in the league. I just don't
Speaker 1: know who to make that team. But I think they're
Speaker 1: better than that. You know they'll prove it. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's a tougher to pick the tough teams than
Speaker 1: it is to pick your top five. If Dan wasn't
Speaker 1: sure about China stage a coup against the official NFL
Speaker 1: dot com power ring, he's all he's gotta do is
Speaker 1: look at the current version that's up right now, number
Speaker 1: twenty six on the list. Of New York Jack. Let
Speaker 1: me guess whatever. Let me guess where the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: talking about the Porsche the New York Jets. Oh, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are number six on the It's time to stage
Speaker 1: a revolution, a power rankings revolution at NFL dot com
Speaker 1: had some hanks like throwing something through his screen right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Chiefs love out there too. I
Speaker 1: feel like Peter King, we talked about his power rankings.
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about the top is the Chiefs at four.
Speaker 1: I think a team like the Chiefs or the Lions
Speaker 1: are more likely to be in the bottom five. That's
Speaker 1: what happens. There's ups and downs every year, but it's
Speaker 1: tough to predict which team is going to have that
Speaker 1: kind of free fall. I think. I think Peter King
Speaker 1: gave his intern a box of teams and numbers and
Speaker 1: the guy just slipped it up in the air and
Speaker 1: it it just got lost, and he just put them
Speaker 1: all the back together haphazardly. That's how it happened. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna get Peter King on the show.
Speaker 1: Thank God. All right, that is our show. That is
Speaker 1: Tuesday's edition to Around the NFL podcast. We will be
Speaker 1: back on Thursday Day with another show. We'll get into
Speaker 1: some trope talk and maybe maybe we'll hit up the
Speaker 1: mail bag again. We'll see if you guys delivered some
Speaker 1: more good questions, all that good stuff. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much to Mr Sully behind the Glass. Good job, good start.
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