Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. Here's so work out wonder.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Kansas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosa. Thought, what is up? Boys? Back together? The
Speaker 1: group's back. I thought, Um, you know, Colin wilf did
Speaker 1: a great job filling in on Thursday, but you know,
Speaker 1: no substitute for the real thing. We got marked back
Speaker 1: from his Don Draper Dick Whitman like sojourn up the
Speaker 1: California coast and got Greg who went off to New
Speaker 1: England and uh, you know, hung out with the family,
Speaker 1: which I'd like to see you connecting with your roots
Speaker 1: like that. Greg. So welcome back boys. Well we come
Speaker 1: back and there's just a firestorm of activity around here
Speaker 1: in the NFL, in the office, inter office fights, all
Speaker 1: sorts of a lot of drama today. Yeah, but it will.
Speaker 1: It should be noted that before we came on there
Speaker 1: was a legitimate beef between west and t D that
Speaker 1: can't not be discussed. Uh. Well, it's made us a
Speaker 1: little I feel a little uncomfortable, but I you know,
Speaker 1: you guys gotta work it out, uh, TD bringing a
Speaker 1: little early today. How are you? How's going, guys? What's going? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's work through it. Because West and I came through
Speaker 1: the door, and U and t D immediately got on
Speaker 1: West about some choice of words on Twitter and what
Speaker 1: what happened. The exchange was legitimate and um, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of raised voices and some upset people. So
Speaker 1: if you guys want to work it out right now,
Speaker 1: the floor is yours. I apologize for calling you a name.
Speaker 1: T D. Wow, it was good. Well act you know,
Speaker 1: you're a boy man. You know, if I had a
Speaker 1: first drop system was working right now with a little
Speaker 1: return of the mac, you know, just to paw you
Speaker 1: some love. I mean, it was just all it was
Speaker 1: gonna talk it out. West didn't mean anything you know,
Speaker 1: bad by it. I just you know, I took it
Speaker 1: kind of strongly. And but you know it was a
Speaker 1: little Twitter comments, a talking hoops, you know, a little barbershop.
Speaker 1: Who's better at top five? All that stuff? It is
Speaker 1: it is final season or the NBA playoffs? Lebron, you know,
Speaker 1: and he you know it thinks Larry, You know, no,
Speaker 1: I don't I took except to you saying clearly when
Speaker 1: you hadn't even watched one of them. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's clear, and I just think it's
Speaker 1: clear in the sense that one's Lebron, you know, and
Speaker 1: now not this Larry Bird at all. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a landslide by any means. I just think one's Lebron,
Speaker 1: and all the numbers favor Lebron. Well, hold on one
Speaker 1: item that they were getting the milk toast watered down
Speaker 1: version of this where you're both you're on air now
Speaker 1: and you're being very amicable to each other. The ratings
Speaker 1: would have sword if they had heard what was going
Speaker 1: on in Brendon McGinnis behind the glass. Is there any
Speaker 1: chance that we have that audio that we could save
Speaker 1: for when the show is world famous and that could
Speaker 1: be like our behind the music got cand already? It's
Speaker 1: usually the other way around. There's usually a lot of
Speaker 1: fake beef that we're playing up more than really is.
Speaker 1: This is a legitimate He loved it. I was dancing.
Speaker 1: I was literally dancing when it started, and then when
Speaker 1: there was like an F bomb drop, that was like,
Speaker 1: oh well, nothing makes stand happier than watching his friends
Speaker 1: argue with each other. And put each other on edge, Yes,
Speaker 1: until it goes too far and then I get uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: That's and that's what happened. But you guys aren't happy
Speaker 1: now because we're not going at each other's throats. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of sweet what's happening basically, Well, no,
Speaker 1: we can't just keep going at each other's though. So
Speaker 1: we handled it, you know, hashed it out, and you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, West, my guy, he's apologized. If I
Speaker 1: have a headset on, I'll call and give him a hug.
Speaker 1: That's enough if you're not gonna keep fighting. Alright, Big
Speaker 1: show today, Big Show today. We got the whole team
Speaker 1: back together and you know, t D behind the glass
Speaker 1: and West and t D working things out. And maybe
Speaker 1: that won't last after we go off the air fingers crossed. Um,
Speaker 1: But we have a lot to get to, some news
Speaker 1: to catch up on since our last show was last Thursday,
Speaker 1: so some things to go through. We're also you know,
Speaker 1: we should do a little bit of a a minor
Speaker 1: post mortem of the Dalton Scale, which was our show
Speaker 1: last Tuesday, which is done very well in terms of metrics,
Speaker 1: which gets Greg excited. Old Greg who sits in a
Speaker 1: different section of the newsroom. Now him and his management
Speaker 1: cohorts must be lighting cigars, celebrating. You don't do any work.
Speaker 1: We just have our all of our computers open and
Speaker 1: just watched dollars dollar bills. So we'll touch on the
Speaker 1: Dalton scale because uh, I think we all admit that
Speaker 1: it's still we're working it out now. After that discussion,
Speaker 1: um well also get into a a conversation piece offseason
Speaker 1: narratives we do not trust and um Mark really stepped up,
Speaker 1: came up with that idea. He's looking for that second
Speaker 1: inter office corporate m VP award. Uh I feel like
Speaker 1: Dan is emptying the notebook of all you know, grievances
Speaker 1: at this point. Well, this is an this was I
Speaker 1: don't think I think that we've come up with this before.
Speaker 1: I think I just recycled what was probably someone else's idea.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of Assessler special because no one hates
Speaker 1: offseason tropes and rewriting the same sort of article each
Speaker 1: year more than Mark Sessler. And I don't blame you.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good corner to be out good.
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll hit that. We'll each throw one out
Speaker 1: and we'll have a nice little discussion about that. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's that's the plan for today. And uh, but
Speaker 1: before we do get into that discussion, we need to
Speaker 1: again touch base with TV, who is a real lightning
Speaker 1: rod for debate. Um. You know, tempers flair sometimes, but
Speaker 1: you know, we all work it out in the end.
Speaker 1: Let's do some news buddy, how are you? I am good,
Speaker 1: I'm excited, and then let's go ahead and do it. Okay,
Speaker 1: And I literally had that set up for a news
Speaker 1: bit which you will hear later on. But I'm changing
Speaker 1: right now to the fact that that's for the fact
Speaker 1: that Chris Westling apologized I have I have apologized in
Speaker 1: the past, surprising that Tom Petty song I Won't back
Speaker 1: Down was about west You guys knew that. All right,
Speaker 1: let's never change us. Let's get into it. We'll start
Speaker 1: with Adrian Peterson, who uh has not played a game
Speaker 1: and forever and and now is not suspended, so it's
Speaker 1: eligible to return to the field. And you would think
Speaker 1: to get back in the mix and and all that,
Speaker 1: but we're not. We're not seeing it yet. The second
Speaker 1: round of o t as have started for the Vikings
Speaker 1: and Adrian Peterson is in at home in Texas UM
Speaker 1: and plans not to be a part of this group
Speaker 1: of this uh O t A round. Uh Ian Rapp
Speaker 1: report reported that the plans are fluid for Peterson. It
Speaker 1: could change, It could change in any time, but as
Speaker 1: far as O TIS go, he doesn't want to be involved.
Speaker 1: So it seems like there's still something cooking here. You
Speaker 1: would think at some point the bad blood would be
Speaker 1: either you know, washed away or or set to the
Speaker 1: side on some level, and that he would get back
Speaker 1: to football. But this is continuing. Greg, what does it mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think he means anything. It's voluntary work. There's
Speaker 1: a million veterans around the league's skippy O t a
Speaker 1: s because they don't like something or they want to
Speaker 1: work out on their own, so it's not surprising at
Speaker 1: all to me. The real next step would be if
Speaker 1: he skips work where they can find him, like mini camps,
Speaker 1: And even then I wouldn't take that too seriously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but isn't it a little bit weird that a guy
Speaker 1: that hasn't played in so long it was week one
Speaker 1: of last season. Why don't you think he would be back,
Speaker 1: want to be back in the mix. If there was.
Speaker 1: If there was ever a time to report earlier to
Speaker 1: the offseason programs, it wouldn't be this year. I don't know.
Speaker 1: To me, it smells a little funny. They're still negotiating,
Speaker 1: They're trying to get more money. West doesn't think that's
Speaker 1: the only thing going on here. Well, I know it's
Speaker 1: not the only thing. He's not happy. He's come out
Speaker 1: and said that he doesn't like the way he was
Speaker 1: treated last year. He doesn't trust certain members of the organization,
Speaker 1: and his wife especially is not comfortable going back to
Speaker 1: Minnesota wife stuff. Well, I mean, also, if you really
Speaker 1: want to push the envelope, I kind of I kind
Speaker 1: of fall on Greg's side where I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna wash away in a month and he'll be back.
Speaker 1: But if it really if the black the bad blood
Speaker 1: is really there, if you really want off this team,
Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to play brinksmanship. You can't
Speaker 1: just show up three weeks from now. I think that's
Speaker 1: a big part of it. That his agent is talking
Speaker 1: now and sources close to him or telling Yahoo and
Speaker 1: Bleacher Report that he doesn't want to be there, And
Speaker 1: I think that's part of You've got to do a
Speaker 1: little brinksmanship to make sure you have some kind of
Speaker 1: leverage and get your point across. Zimmer even said, I
Speaker 1: think I have an indication of when Peterson will show up,
Speaker 1: which is when the Cowboys play him in what week
Speaker 1: ten or so. I mean, I think he knows, maybe
Speaker 1: through Peterson personally, that when it comes time to for
Speaker 1: training camp and for the real work to be done,
Speaker 1: Peterson is going to be there. They'll work out this
Speaker 1: contract stuff and and like a lot of contracts stuff,
Speaker 1: it sometimes takes through July. And we'll get a little
Speaker 1: more into this later in the show when we tell
Speaker 1: some narrative stuff. But yes, something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: The best running back and football not involved with the
Speaker 1: Vikings camp so far. Moving on, the Chicago Bears have
Speaker 1: released defensive tackle Ray McDonald. UH. This happened on Monday,
Speaker 1: hours after he was arrested after being involved in another
Speaker 1: domestic violence incident in California. UH general manager Ryan Pace
Speaker 1: had this to say, we believe in second chances, but
Speaker 1: when we signed Ray, we were very clear what our
Speaker 1: expectations were if he were to remain a Bear. He
Speaker 1: was not able to meet that standard and the decision
Speaker 1: was made to release him. Of course, McDonald has a
Speaker 1: history of issues with the law, including he was released
Speaker 1: by the Niners back in December after being named as
Speaker 1: a suspect in a prior investigation for sexual assault. So
Speaker 1: McDonald uh now is washed out with the Bears without
Speaker 1: ever playing game. Is this, Marcus, is the last time
Speaker 1: we'll ever see Ray McDonald's in the NFL. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's certainly gotten a lot closer to that place.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Bears higher ups, above
Speaker 1: the GM and above the coach were very hesitant to
Speaker 1: bring on any player like this to start. They let
Speaker 1: the GM go out and make his own call, and
Speaker 1: there was a real short leash. And I don't see
Speaker 1: another team jumping on this, no matter how their need is,
Speaker 1: anytime soon. No, I'd say it could be the end
Speaker 1: we'll see. I just saw last week John Clayton was
Speaker 1: throwing out a few teams that he thought might be
Speaker 1: good fits for Ray Rice. Sorry, Ray Rice, Ray McDonald
Speaker 1: just screwed your chances of getting a new team. M
Speaker 1: I read that too, But I I have to have
Speaker 1: to look at these case by case items. But but
Speaker 1: other people think Adam and on case by case, But
Speaker 1: I think I think he's he's radioactive right now. Rap
Speaker 1: She said, his career is likely over and he's basically
Speaker 1: just connecting the dots because Ray McDonald isn't at It's
Speaker 1: a sliding scale for justice or whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it in the NFL. If you're good enough, people
Speaker 1: will look past it. That's why Greg Hardy's on the team.
Speaker 1: If Greg Hardy was a mid level pass rusher, I
Speaker 1: don't think he'd be on a team. And Ray McDonald's good,
Speaker 1: but he's not great in this second offense. Now people
Speaker 1: aren't going to sign him. I think this is the
Speaker 1: difference between today's NFL in the NFL of two thousand
Speaker 1: ten was I think he would get another chance five
Speaker 1: years ago, and I don't think it would happen now.
Speaker 1: I don't. And one thing that annoyed me, No, no,
Speaker 1: And that's what the point I was gonna get to is.
Speaker 1: I was working yesterday, so I was plugged in on
Speaker 1: the on tweet deck and seeing all the you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the Twitter Moral Integrity police were out and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, and how it's time to start. You know,
Speaker 1: we gotta get tougher, we gotta start docking team's draft
Speaker 1: picks when their players get in trouble and all these
Speaker 1: like crazy things like no, this is actually things are working.
Speaker 1: Actually it's better. Now he gets arrested and the Bears
Speaker 1: don't even wait. They say, you know, we don't want
Speaker 1: anything to do if you're released the day it happened.
Speaker 1: Now he's probably out of football. It seems like there
Speaker 1: is some change coming. So all the people that were
Speaker 1: like taking shots, I thought at the NFL and Goodell
Speaker 1: and this case, I thought, we're out of bounds because
Speaker 1: there are strides being made in this department. We always
Speaker 1: say that America is a land of second chances. If
Speaker 1: you acknowledge your mistake, you get a second chance. Ray
Speaker 1: McDonald has made multiple mistakes. Ray Rice made one, and
Speaker 1: Judy Battista wrote an interesting article pointing the finger a
Speaker 1: little bit at the McCaskey, the ownership, you know, grouping
Speaker 1: in Chicago and general manager and Fox really making the
Speaker 1: point if if Ray McDonald is not a transformative player,
Speaker 1: why are you taking why are any teams taking risks
Speaker 1: on these? And should ownership or the GM should they
Speaker 1: be taking the task a little bit or even punished. Well,
Speaker 1: in this case, it seemed like it was the last
Speaker 1: chance because it's a known defensive coach and big Fangio
Speaker 1: that knows what he has in this player. And that's
Speaker 1: probably why the connection was even pushed for on any
Speaker 1: level when you're trying to install a new defense. But
Speaker 1: who's going to take a chance now, I don't see
Speaker 1: it happening. How are you gonna punish someone for taking
Speaker 1: a chance on redemption? I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess you would just punish a lot. Nothing's fair here.
Speaker 1: Maybe you come up with the system where teams get
Speaker 1: punished for any arrest. Why it doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: for the Actually it's it's I went dan. I think
Speaker 1: that the system has gotten whatever it is people reacting,
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot closer than it was even a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago too. You know, pretty heavy handed punishments,
Speaker 1: it's pretty random. But we come down, We come down,
Speaker 1: you know, criticizing gms or owners for random things that
Speaker 1: happened to them all the time. Well, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: get teams that are drafting only high character type players,
Speaker 1: which is fine, except that's maybe not the best players.
Speaker 1: And so there's guys like Josh Gordon will be out
Speaker 1: of football and they'll just everyone will be have a
Speaker 1: scarlet letter on them. I don't think that's the answer either,
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess it does seem a little hypocritical
Speaker 1: that the NFL puts these issues as so so to
Speaker 1: the forefront, and yet their owners and gms don't have
Speaker 1: to do anything different. They're to sign anyone like Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy or anyone like Raying McDonald like they can if
Speaker 1: they can help their team get five percent better. So
Speaker 1: then just shut up about it. Don't try to be
Speaker 1: the moral high ground if if you're not going to
Speaker 1: do it that way. Moving on, So, Robert Griffin the
Speaker 1: third famously or Robert Griffin three, mark you're preferred, that's
Speaker 1: what um. You know, he hasn't been the same guy
Speaker 1: since that knee injury in the two thousand twelve playoffs. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's been what two poor seasons since, and he's had
Speaker 1: more injury issues and all that stuff got bench last year.
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan no longer his his coach anymore. But you know,
Speaker 1: someone asked him about it. kJ F w jfk A
Speaker 1: M and Washington asked about Griffin, and Gruden had this
Speaker 1: to say about the struggles. I don't think getting hurt
Speaker 1: has anything to do with it. I think what you
Speaker 1: do is you rehab yourself and you get better. You
Speaker 1: don't have to have great running ability to run the
Speaker 1: read option. You have to be able to know when
Speaker 1: to slide, when to throw the football away, depending on
Speaker 1: if you're un thing you're passing. Um, gentleman, it sounds
Speaker 1: to me that Mike Shanahan is still of the feeling
Speaker 1: personally that r G three's inability to grow as a
Speaker 1: football player got him fired. What do you think, Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. You have I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't I saw other sites writing about this story.
Speaker 1: You can't write about this story without pointing out that
Speaker 1: Shanahan has a vested entrance interest in driving the narrative
Speaker 1: that r G three's career was not affected by the
Speaker 1: injury because it was Shannahan's decision to leave him in
Speaker 1: the game. M and Shanny took a ton of heat
Speaker 1: for that. And although I mean any quarterback that you
Speaker 1: look at the successful long term durability is a huge
Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, are are not our top
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are guys to play sixteen games year after year.
Speaker 1: And I think that injuries have absolutely shaded what r
Speaker 1: G three has been able to do in terms, especially
Speaker 1: two seasons ago, coming back too early. Potentially, I'd take
Speaker 1: it a step further. With Shanahan covering his ass, He's
Speaker 1: basically saying this guy, he's not a he's not a
Speaker 1: good football player, and that's why it didn't work, or
Speaker 1: he didn't work hard enough, or whatever was going on.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the skills to make up for the injury.
Speaker 1: That it's not the injury, and that's why I'm out
Speaker 1: of coaching. Please hire me, give me millions of dollars
Speaker 1: to flush down the toilet a break. Do you guys
Speaker 1: remember the nineties? That's his bitch whenever he goes into
Speaker 1: an interview. And and by the way, the Shannahan's have
Speaker 1: been pushing this narrative about r G three since they
Speaker 1: were in Washington. I mean, all those stories coming out
Speaker 1: about that were pretty negative about r G three throughout
Speaker 1: his comeback and and really the rest of the Shanahan era.
Speaker 1: Where do you think those are coming from. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's two coaches in a row that don't seem
Speaker 1: enamored with r G three, the person, not only the player,
Speaker 1: but the person. So it's it's been maybe not the
Speaker 1: easiest quarterback to adopt for Jake Ruden either. Shanahan's comments
Speaker 1: were kind of mixed to He also said Robert has
Speaker 1: a lot of ability. He's a charismatic guy. He's got mobility,
Speaker 1: he's got arm strength, he's a very bright guy. So
Speaker 1: he seems to be a little I don't know, ambivalent. Uh, Grey,
Speaker 1: you are a Tyrod Taylor fan? Correct, No, not really,
Speaker 1: that's more of the West someone when someone went to
Speaker 1: the soapbox, Tyrod Taylor will beat out Matt Castle for
Speaker 1: that job. That's right. Well, listen, this is good news
Speaker 1: for you. It's certainly at least the talking points out
Speaker 1: there being put out by the Bills tell us that
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor is gonna have a shot at this in
Speaker 1: a competition with E. J. Manuel and Matt Castle. General
Speaker 1: manager Doug Whaley said last week in a conversation with
Speaker 1: the Bill's website, the way they're structuring practices, everyone is
Speaker 1: getting a run with the ones. So it's a fair shake,
Speaker 1: fair shake West in this system that we're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out who's going to be the number one, it's
Speaker 1: all about competition. That's why everybody involved is excited about
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's excited about it about except for Bills
Speaker 1: fans and people that look at you know, outsiders that
Speaker 1: look at the roster and season. Something's exciting, but that
Speaker 1: position is gonna ruin their season. But I guess Tyrod
Speaker 1: Taylor and EJ. Manuel are excited. This is only news
Speaker 1: because nobody leaved what the Bills have already told us
Speaker 1: that Tyrod Taylor still setting first team reps equal reps
Speaker 1: with everyone that Rex Ryan has a man crush on
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor and has for a while tried to trade
Speaker 1: for him when he was with the Jets. So I mean,
Speaker 1: of course Tyrod Taylor's in this that its very beacon
Speaker 1: of a QB knowledge Rex Ryan. Yeah, but Rex has
Speaker 1: definitely he has a fetish for running quarterback. Yes he does.
Speaker 1: He it's it's his biggest crush since he brought Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow to the Jets. Before that, he had Jeremy Curley
Speaker 1: running the Wildcat. I mean, whether no matter who's been
Speaker 1: running the offense. I think it's from a defensive side.
Speaker 1: He knows what's tough for him to stop, right and
Speaker 1: he wants I think Tyrod Taylor is a part of
Speaker 1: this offense, the starting quarterback, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: when you face the Tyrod Taylor type of quarterback or
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow, it makes the defensive coaches prepare for an
Speaker 1: extra hour or two and then Rex is just there
Speaker 1: at two in the mornings, screw these guys. I need
Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks. I mean that's like, that's all
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, well anybody else of an I literally
Speaker 1: I'm tapped out on the Bill's quarterback petition and well
Speaker 1: it means they don't have one. Well they have a
Speaker 1: quarter but they don't have a quarterback. Well you can
Speaker 1: say all you want, and I'm maybe Tyrod Taylor emerges
Speaker 1: to be more than we thought. And I know this
Speaker 1: isn't what Rex Ryan said, but it was John Harbaugh
Speaker 1: that said more than once, we're not happy with this guy.
Speaker 1: He didn't develop the way we wanted him to. So
Speaker 1: if Rex Ryan had a man crushed on him, that's great,
Speaker 1: But it's Rex Ryan and how many quarterbacks has he discovered?
Speaker 1: What about your boy? That's a different story. Greg Roman,
Speaker 1: you know he knows what. But he's used this type
Speaker 1: of a quarterback before, So that's more evidence in West's corner.
Speaker 1: If West is the one who I believe historically has
Speaker 1: been pushing for Tyrod Taylor his career to Flower, I
Speaker 1: don't even care about. Yeah, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: Matt Castle starting NFL game. I still think Castle's their
Speaker 1: Week one starter. But I'm a little less confident than
Speaker 1: I was a month or two. I still think I'll
Speaker 1: get the most starts, but the rhetoric is starting to effect.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to talk about a different quarterback,
Speaker 1: a better quarterback, and then Tyrod Taylor any of those
Speaker 1: other flunkeys in Buffalo. Ouch, that seems harsh. But a
Speaker 1: man that has a very high opinion of himself. That's
Speaker 1: Cam Newton Um who was on a UH he spoke
Speaker 1: to a radio station UH and it was asked, it
Speaker 1: was told of him that he was one of the
Speaker 1: great unknowns, greatest unknowns at his position, or that's how
Speaker 1: many view him. And his reply was this, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: And I say this with the most humility, but I
Speaker 1: don't think nobody has ever been who I'm trying to be.
Speaker 1: Nobody has the size, nobody has the speed, nobody has
Speaker 1: the arm strength, and nobody had the intangibles that I've had.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to say I'm a one on
Speaker 1: one type of person that this league will never see another. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, hear me out. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that so much of my talents have not been seen
Speaker 1: in one person. West. You said, here, take of initial
Speaker 1: thing away. This is a treat I say this with
Speaker 1: the most humility. What there's not an ounce of humility
Speaker 1: in that. What heck is he talking about? I mean
Speaker 1: what he's saying. I get what he's saying, and he's
Speaker 1: right to some degree his his combination of size and
Speaker 1: speed and strength and all that. But at the same time, oh,
Speaker 1: the accuracy maybe not below for his career around there
Speaker 1: and also uh thirty and thirty one record as a starter,
Speaker 1: So there seems to be a lot to work on.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's been around a while now, since
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. Maybe it's time with all these attributes
Speaker 1: that he speaks of to become the big guy, right right,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he knows what intangibles mean or
Speaker 1: humility using the US in the context, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem. I mean, this is how what
Speaker 1: quarterbacks think of himself. News slash Dan Marino thought thought
Speaker 1: this about himself. Tom Brady, in his heart of hearts,
Speaker 1: probably thinks this about himself. Cam Newton's a little more
Speaker 1: open about people said it about Michael Vick and maybe
Speaker 1: they're on the track for the same type of career. MM.
Speaker 1: I don't, well, that's like, yeah, I don't have an
Speaker 1: issue with him being confident in speaking out. It's kind
Speaker 1: of fun to talk about and the and I say
Speaker 1: this with the most humility. I'm gonna start starting all
Speaker 1: my statements with that. But but to me, it does
Speaker 1: if anything else that actually to me achieves the opposite
Speaker 1: effect Mark and that Yeah, oh yeah, that's right. This
Speaker 1: guy's you know, he's got all these stud attributes and
Speaker 1: he hasn't been that great. He's been around for four
Speaker 1: years and now he's that during year five. Any quote
Speaker 1: that wanders on and on like the one that we
Speaker 1: just read tells me he doesn't really know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about when it comes to where he stands among
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks to begin with. And I could think of
Speaker 1: five quarterbacks off the off of one hand that wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be him in the NFL right now anyways.
Speaker 1: But I think he was saying that he hasn't brought
Speaker 1: out all that talent yet. I mean that that he's
Speaker 1: saying so much of his talents are in one person
Speaker 1: that's who he's trying to become. Is a different type
Speaker 1: of player than than maybe we've ever seen. And I
Speaker 1: can see that argue. I would I would take it
Speaker 1: from Cam Newton a lot faster, unique talent. Right then
Speaker 1: some of these other quarterbacks that in year four or
Speaker 1: five were still listen, here comes the big breakout season
Speaker 1: from Andy Dalton or fill in the blank. Like with
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, I do think that there's a lot more
Speaker 1: there that the right coaching and the right scheme could
Speaker 1: bring out. But at the same time, why is he
Speaker 1: even saying this? Because he's a pram But I mean,
Speaker 1: what is the points Because it's like, if anything, Cam
Speaker 1: Newton has made it very clear that he has parts
Speaker 1: of his game that needs so much work that this
Speaker 1: quote doesn't fit who he is right now. I don't
Speaker 1: think I think you're selling Dan. I think you're selling
Speaker 1: a little short what he's accomplished so far and and
Speaker 1: where he is in the quarterback you know echelon, Maybe
Speaker 1: he's right around ten. If he doesn't get any better
Speaker 1: for the next seven years. They'll keep signing him to
Speaker 1: contracts and teams would like him as their starting quarterback. No,
Speaker 1: he was four years into his year was thought of
Speaker 1: more highly than Cam Newton is right now, that's true.
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna fall over Cam Newton forever
Speaker 1: because of just what he said, what is sizes, what
Speaker 1: his gifts are. I mean, he's not going to suddenly
Speaker 1: be without work. And in four years as a starter,
Speaker 1: he's been on one good team. And I know it's
Speaker 1: not all about the quarterback, but last year's team as
Speaker 1: a crummy team. I know they won a playoff game.
Speaker 1: The twelve and four team that was a great team
Speaker 1: got wiped out in the playoffs, and then he's the
Speaker 1: first two years. I think last year's team got good
Speaker 1: down the stretch that they They've been in the final
Speaker 1: eight teams two straight years. He's only been Are we
Speaker 1: gonna are we gonna wait a second, We're gonna pretend
Speaker 1: that beating that Cardinals team at home was some type
Speaker 1: of great achievement. What did they when he played terrible
Speaker 1: in that game? He did, and he played pretty well.
Speaker 1: Then he played pretty well the next week against Seattle
Speaker 1: where they're tied going in the fourth quarter. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying he was fine. They won what four straight games
Speaker 1: to end the season. I don't think his comment is
Speaker 1: about what he's done either. I think if for anything
Speaker 1: any foresight for what he's had, I think he's saying,
Speaker 1: this is what he can become. He wants to become
Speaker 1: things that no quarterbacks ever dreamt up. Well, that's all
Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous to me that I'd say, right, start with
Speaker 1: the basic things that people are killing you on. If
Speaker 1: nothing else, I am happy to have Cam Newton in
Speaker 1: our NFL lives. He's a un player, and he has
Speaker 1: a unique talent, and he's and he gives us. He's
Speaker 1: a guy. And speaking of he's a guy, I find
Speaker 1: Cam Newton to be closer to the Dalton line that
Speaker 1: maybe obviously Greg thinks, uh, the Dalton scale. Um, and
Speaker 1: you know that's what's happening with the news. By the way,
Speaker 1: but we should do let's unpack, you know for a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes, just go back the Dalton scale. He
Speaker 1: did conversation Mark while you were away driving up the coast,
Speaker 1: I could feel it's a wind in your hair thinking
Speaker 1: about yesterday's and Tomorrow's all at the same time, um,
Speaker 1: just thinking about what life is all about. Any was
Speaker 1: there like any any big epiphanies or big moments on
Speaker 1: that trip? Ah? Yeah, I don't think they'd be appropriate
Speaker 1: to share in this venue. Did you? Did you like
Speaker 1: go sit by the ocean and then write the next
Speaker 1: coke jingle? I didn't. I know, I got a number
Speaker 1: of these Coca Cola tweets. I was not attempting to
Speaker 1: be Don Draper. I was sleeping and rest stops, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's not attempting to be anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I asked you where you That's when I decided to
Speaker 1: turn off Twitter. When the first Oh, what are you
Speaker 1: trying to do? You're trying to do this? It's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, bye bye gone, Just turn the phone off.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear from anyone. It's like I
Speaker 1: just wanted a little bit of quiet, and and you
Speaker 1: did sleep in your car. That's well. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was a trip that I did not plan for
Speaker 1: from a funding angle, and I found it to be
Speaker 1: a very safe rest stop. Sleeping is usually to get
Speaker 1: stabbed in the heart. I didn't overdo it. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I've seen some you know, forty eight hours mysteries. Mystery's
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful if anyone's
Speaker 1: coming and knocking on that, you know, on your window.
Speaker 1: This well, I woke up safely at around three fifteen
Speaker 1: in the morning and said time to keep driving because
Speaker 1: I don't want to risk this what happens between now
Speaker 1: and six fifteen, And they all right, so that's gonna
Speaker 1: and I hope you achieve some type of enlightenment. Enlightenment,
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna ask you about it because it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you think it's a private thing. As
Speaker 1: much as you could over forty eight hours, all right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's talk a little little post mortem on
Speaker 1: on the Dalton scale. And and for those of you
Speaker 1: that might have missed the pod, yeah, we had a
Speaker 1: we were trying to put where the quarterback backs all
Speaker 1: fit in and when you try to figure out where
Speaker 1: they are on the Dalton scale, which as a reminder,
Speaker 1: any quarterback above Andy Dalton is a viable franchise player.
Speaker 1: Any quarterback below Andy Dalton is a problem. Not the solution.
Speaker 1: Uh Dalton we thought was the purgatory for soonified guy.
Speaker 1: But that's also in up and for debate. After our conversation, West,
Speaker 1: I'll throw it to you any um takeaways after the show.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you got a ton of tweets, um people
Speaker 1: asking you, you know, where your head's at with it?
Speaker 1: What's your next move with the Dalton scale? Where you're
Speaker 1: at right now? Well, I think the problem is having
Speaker 1: this discussion in May, because the off season is the
Speaker 1: NFL's business season, and you see what happens every year,
Speaker 1: people fall in love with draft picks and potential. The
Speaker 1: I came out this like, I came at this exercise
Speaker 1: thinking like a GM, because I think you have to
Speaker 1: in May or else Why you even have the discussion.
Speaker 1: A lot of other people came at it as a
Speaker 1: fan or a writer or whatever. You if you're talking
Speaker 1: about a situation in May, you have to consider salary,
Speaker 1: upside that, all that kind of stuff. That's what gms consider. Else,
Speaker 1: why even have the conversation in May? So that's why
Speaker 1: I said, of course I would take Blake Bortles over
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton one one writer or one uh Twitter father.
Speaker 1: I suggested the Dalton line. Could the Dalton question could
Speaker 1: be reframed? Would you give this quarterback a six year,
Speaker 1: ninety six million dollar contract. Now, obviously we could change
Speaker 1: the numbers around. I knew what he was getting at
Speaker 1: would you pay this quarterback fifteen million dollars a year
Speaker 1: for six years? I wouldn't pay Dalton that much? Right well,
Speaker 1: that he'd be below the Dalton right, I guess, like
Speaker 1: the Mendoes aligne. I took an issue if you put
Speaker 1: guys like Blake Bortles or Damis Winston above him, to me,
Speaker 1: that feels like folly, because the Dalton scale should be
Speaker 1: about shouldn't be about extrapolation and prediction. It should be
Speaker 1: about like right now. So Blake Bortles right now is
Speaker 1: not ahead of Dalton, but maybe in two years he
Speaker 1: will be. But you kind of gotta see it, but
Speaker 1: you're not. I guess I would I come at as
Speaker 1: you're not acknowledging my point that it's May and this
Speaker 1: is the NFL's business season. You have to approach it
Speaker 1: like a g M M May. I think. I I
Speaker 1: thought it was all just actually the player on the field,
Speaker 1: how he plays, who he is. Well, then why even
Speaker 1: have the conversation in May? Why not wait until September
Speaker 1: October that we have games? What else are you gonna
Speaker 1: talk about, Well, wait, why take Blake Bortles with the
Speaker 1: third overall pick if you think his ceiling is is andy?
Speaker 1: Of course the Jaguars would put it, but I know
Speaker 1: at the insane and that's how I approached it for
Speaker 1: the most Part Two is that you have to earn,
Speaker 1: you have to show that you're better. But that's not
Speaker 1: how the NFL works. It isn't here. Yeah, how why wait?
Speaker 1: Why who would take any Dalton over Blake Bortles if
Speaker 1: they today? Nobody would? I think the Bengals would. I
Speaker 1: think I don't. They have to believe their own press
Speaker 1: a different questions. Portals on paper had worse stats than
Speaker 1: you know, some of the worst quarterbacks in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years. This is West's actual wording of the definition.
Speaker 1: Any QB above dalt is a viable franchise player. How
Speaker 1: can you say that about Blake Bortles right now? That's
Speaker 1: why I think that's is an existential crisis and that
Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore. It only works in the season. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work in man. I don't think that to me.
Speaker 1: I can't. Once you've got games going again, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got you have evidence, you have, all right? This is
Speaker 1: the game film, but it may to me. I can't
Speaker 1: have that discussion without thinking about salary and value. You
Speaker 1: also the NFL value. You also at this point dislike
Speaker 1: Dalton enough that he's not close to the middle for you.
Speaker 1: Well like what he's like we said on the actual
Speaker 1: Dalton Scale podcast, the line has moved since he signed
Speaker 1: a contract that makes him no longer a competitive I
Speaker 1: have a take on that. The Dalton scale, it can
Speaker 1: it can remain the Dalton Scale, even if Dalton himself
Speaker 1: is no longer the prime meridian, because there was a
Speaker 1: time where he was the perfect example of a guy
Speaker 1: right on the line. Right, that's not him, It's a measurement.
Speaker 1: It's uh, that's why he's the Mendoza line. It's like
Speaker 1: the two thousand twelve Dalton. Although I do like the
Speaker 1: there's a chance for you know, sponsorship opportunity, you know,
Speaker 1: branding if we keep changing the name. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason I think we should keep
Speaker 1: its Alex Smith line or whatever. Give us some money.
Speaker 1: Seriously as usual, you know, me and West agree on
Speaker 1: this clearly. Um, definitely, I hear what I hear what
Speaker 1: he's saying. But the ultimate point here, though, is that
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the top one hundred. You're taken
Speaker 1: into account what the player has done recently, but also
Speaker 1: for acting to what they're gonna do next year. I
Speaker 1: think Andy Dalton, by the way, I think Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: stops being a Dalton scale when he doesn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That's when you like, you know what he's done, We can't.
Speaker 1: We gotta come up with a new name. Wins a
Speaker 1: playoff game, but he's an odd guy who keeps making
Speaker 1: it but doesn't win. He's in a certain purgatory that
Speaker 1: when he breaks out, either way, for better or worse,
Speaker 1: he becomes even more biguiling to deal with. To me,
Speaker 1: it's still about that question, is he do you if
Speaker 1: he a solution at quarterback? Or do you need to
Speaker 1: keep looking for other guys? Now? Whether Dalton is the
Speaker 1: perfect guy for that, that's another debate. But to me,
Speaker 1: Bortles might be below that line still, because if I
Speaker 1: had Bortles, I still would want to be getting other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean to take his job, but just just his
Speaker 1: options until he shows that he can do it. That's fair,
Speaker 1: all right, good, We'll we listen. We'll definitely address us
Speaker 1: again in the season. Well, maybe it will be different.
Speaker 1: I know I wanted to. I want to put some
Speaker 1: of this stuff on paper for the office season, maybe
Speaker 1: written well, get ready, West, we can't write it. We
Speaker 1: have no clarity long form NFL dot com. By the way,
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in to that one. We're gonna hit
Speaker 1: k on that. Oh so yeah, that's good. And also
Speaker 1: this came down the uh the old newswire internal email system.
Speaker 1: That's how we communicate in modern society. Uh. The Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast has been nominated for the in the
Speaker 1: Sports category of the Academy of Podcasters Awards. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: presented by uh Stitcher, which is something that's real. Uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, thank you to everyone that has uh you know,
Speaker 1: listened to us and downloaded us and commented and checked
Speaker 1: us out a stitcher, which must be some type of
Speaker 1: method of distribution that has led to a nomination for
Speaker 1: a major award, the method distribution. I mean, if we
Speaker 1: win this, we can take that best of two thousand
Speaker 1: and thirteen iTunes label off our Yeah. Two years ago
Speaker 1: with this this award, show was supposed to happen in
Speaker 1: and then they postponed it because they're making a big
Speaker 1: deal out of this. So it's this is a two
Speaker 1: this is a three day event, and I was going
Speaker 1: to feature people from other popular pod TD already pitching
Speaker 1: himself to go to text now he already is saying
Speaker 1: that he's going, come on, I'm going Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: it has saraconic from Cyril. She's going to be out there.
Speaker 1: Oh really, well wait, we'd all go right, yeah, how
Speaker 1: would t be the one that goes you put in
Speaker 1: the least amount of work with this whole group. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's just the fact I'm your biggest supporter, TD, But
Speaker 1: you've only been on the ship here for nine months.
Speaker 1: You know. It is a conference in addition to the
Speaker 1: award show you guys, is this a major award? It is?
Speaker 1: It's like a leg lamp. It's be in position as like,
Speaker 1: I'm desperately trying to get TD to to put in
Speaker 1: the drop that I requested for this segment, and he
Speaker 1: just won't. I thought that was a real question. Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: let's do it again. Go ahead, all right? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: this a major award? Award? Oh? Good award? I like
Speaker 1: the idea that of conference mixed with an award presentation
Speaker 1: after parties all kinds and why would we this sounds
Speaker 1: like a perfecting, a group building. He just wants to go,
Speaker 1: you know, meet women. Yeah, all right, so yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you for everyone that's supported the podcast and hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: win and you put that right next to our two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen Stitcher award wherever it is. But we we
Speaker 1: won that, so you know, continue to rack up, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, type of things that tell us that we're good, mark,
Speaker 1: because those those physical manifestations let us know that we're
Speaker 1: worth something. That's how I look at awards, don't you Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look at the exact same way. Then, Okay, cool, alright,
Speaker 1: Dan Hands is here with the rest of the around
Speaker 1: the NFL team and we're gonna do a little bit
Speaker 1: of talk now about some off season narratives. We've been
Speaker 1: tracking all these different storylines coming out of teams as
Speaker 1: O t A s continue. But what's what are some
Speaker 1: of the stories that we're not trusting right now? They're
Speaker 1: kind of being forced down our throat and we said
Speaker 1: we're rejecting, Like, let's be honest, we're doing some of
Speaker 1: the forcing. We're forcing. Okay, okay, fair, but well said
Speaker 1: you know, get out of my throat, reject it, and Mark,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with you give me your off season
Speaker 1: narrative you don't trust well, I mean it starts with
Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel, and I think it was obvious that once
Speaker 1: he returned from his rehab stint that we were gonna
Speaker 1: get some sort of reaction from the Browns and it
Speaker 1: was gonna either be very neutral, and it was for
Speaker 1: some period of time. And then their offensive coordinator John D.
Speaker 1: Philippo comes out and said that he's just been awesome.
Speaker 1: He's been great are the words he used. That he
Speaker 1: shows up before the sun rises, he's there until the
Speaker 1: sun goes down, and it's like he's doing everything well.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that Filippo. I liked Filippo, and listen,
Speaker 1: I I'm not saying that I don't want this to
Speaker 1: be the case. I hope Manzel can turn it around.
Speaker 1: It's good to see that he is more committed, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to trust anything about a Brown's quarterback
Speaker 1: and a specifically Manzell until September and we see it
Speaker 1: on the field. It makes sense why a Browns fan
Speaker 1: would feel that way because I think because maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of years now, when we have a little more
Speaker 1: time to properly let it all sink in. How disastrous
Speaker 1: his first year was. I mean from on the field
Speaker 1: play to the party stuff and then the trip to
Speaker 1: the rehabilitation center. It was as beat even by Brown standards.
Speaker 1: It was an absolute nightmare. So it's it's too it's
Speaker 1: anyone that thinks he shows up at O t s
Speaker 1: and it looks good for a couple of days and
Speaker 1: some of the teammates are saying decent things, it's too
Speaker 1: soon to think that this guy has fixed his career
Speaker 1: in life. And the thing watching the O T a
Speaker 1: s today, he still looks incredibly small. To me. That
Speaker 1: is my number one concern, more than everything else. They
Speaker 1: can't fix that. That's that sticks. And for everything that
Speaker 1: happened off the field in terms of his work ethic
Speaker 1: or how he approached football, I think the figger concerns are,
Speaker 1: is this guy ever gonna be good enough and football
Speaker 1: smart enough to be a starting quarterback? Well, I think
Speaker 1: Mark's point. When I watched Brown's games last year, that
Speaker 1: was my number one concern. He was too small, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't the moves that he could make to get
Speaker 1: past defenders in college don't work in the NFL. Well,
Speaker 1: you you hit upon with the off season tropes whenever
Speaker 1: you start hearing that, oh, well, he's taking some great notes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he's really taking good he's
Speaker 1: a good note take. I mean, what are they really
Speaker 1: talking about when they're saying he's doing a great job.
Speaker 1: I mean they're only in there for three or four
Speaker 1: hours at a time. They're limited to what they can do.
Speaker 1: He's showing up for work and he's doing his job.
Speaker 1: And I think Mike Petton is trying to quiet down
Speaker 1: this story a little even today on Tuesday he said,
Speaker 1: you know, let's not get carried away. You know, he's
Speaker 1: working hard. It's it's the off season. What could he
Speaker 1: really be doing that so impressed? And he's with he's
Speaker 1: entrenched with the second team. So this very clearly looks
Speaker 1: like it's Josh McCown's team. Now. I think, barring some account,
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand thirteen floor wi ish Menzel is
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to play. But it all depends
Speaker 1: on whether he proves it to the Browns. Now he
Speaker 1: doesn't get any I don't think they're going to give
Speaker 1: him any free pass back on the field, and he's
Speaker 1: got the show something in practice and in the in
Speaker 1: you know, the room for the meetings and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think McCown is capable of playing himself out of
Speaker 1: the job too on an offense that lacks weapons. So
Speaker 1: it's very possible we see Manzel. You have to go
Speaker 1: back a decade plus for a year where one quarterback
Speaker 1: started sixteen games for them. So let's go week seven.
Speaker 1: That's my open I go week five? Okay, Well take
Speaker 1: six weekow? Well, you love John. Three months ago you
Speaker 1: were saying Manzel won't play in a single game this year,
Speaker 1: things changed, the tropes start to get into the mind.
Speaker 1: Mark Johnny Manzel in Football, two thousand and seventeen. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: moving on football is pretty you know, big broad topic,
Speaker 1: I kind of in NFL. But quarterbacks have many lives.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think he'd be gone that quickly,
Speaker 1: but it would be go and close then Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Uh, what are you not necessarily trusting that's
Speaker 1: coming in through the NFL media machine. Well, Greg and
Speaker 1: a few other people I know believe that the Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson saga this offseason is solely driven by money. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: well I don't I think that is Obviously there's more
Speaker 1: to it than that. I think that he really had
Speaker 1: his feelings hurt last year. I mean more than his
Speaker 1: feelings hurt, he's he doesn't trust anyone. He doesn't trust
Speaker 1: certain members of the Vikings. His wife doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be in Minnesota anymore. He wants to play for a
Speaker 1: contend or at least that's what his agent told Bleacher
Speaker 1: Report this weekend. He wants to play for a contender
Speaker 1: who will stand by him and defend him, like the
Speaker 1: Vikings did not do last year. So what is it?
Speaker 1: What's the off season? You're not buying my off season hype.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying. I can introduce you to your boss, Greg.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying your narrative that it's only about getting
Speaker 1: more guaranteed money. In fact, a confidant close to Peterson
Speaker 1: told Yahoo that it's never been about the money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what Yahoo is, that's the place that just
Speaker 1: spoon feeds agent information to help their clients. That's what
Speaker 1: I That's how I read that Greg crosses Yahoo off
Speaker 1: a potential employer. We we've been following this Peterson thing
Speaker 1: every week for a while, you know, there was no
Speaker 1: way they wanted to play with the Vikings, And once
Speaker 1: they kind of realized that after the draft, they they
Speaker 1: started to make it clear. Ian Rapport reported, Okay, now
Speaker 1: they're changing gears and they want to get more money.
Speaker 1: Now they're not getting the money that they want exactly,
Speaker 1: so they're going on another offensive of leverage. Well, do
Speaker 1: you think there's a chance that Ben Dogra and Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones behind the scenes have shared, you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of dinners, a couple of phone conversations that say
Speaker 1: there is still a potential chance. Jerry Jones said he
Speaker 1: was still willing to maybe trade next year's number one
Speaker 1: pick for a veteran player this year that could help
Speaker 1: the team keep that Super Bowl window open. Well, if
Speaker 1: you were a conspiracy theorist, you could look at Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy's suspension and think, Jerry Jones says, Oh, that's that's
Speaker 1: five million dollars more in cap space than I thought
Speaker 1: we were gonna have. That sounds exactly like. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, who knows Adrian Peterson's true feelings better
Speaker 1: his and his agent and someone close to him or
Speaker 1: Viking sources. I don't care about his true feelings. I'm
Speaker 1: not arguing that he wasn't offended by the Vikings and
Speaker 1: that he wasn't annoyed by them, But this stuff about
Speaker 1: playing for a contender, all of this goes away if
Speaker 1: they give him the money on so then that's the
Speaker 1: important factor. So when his agent and when people coasted
Speaker 1: him come out this week and say he's still very
Speaker 1: miffed with the Vikings. He doesn't want anything to do
Speaker 1: with him. He said in meetings with them all offseason,
Speaker 1: he made it clear he wanted to be traded. And
Speaker 1: they're saying all that again this week. You're saying none
Speaker 1: of that is true. What happened with the after the
Speaker 1: draft where the agent was like, this was all you
Speaker 1: know with the Vikings show us it was a good
Speaker 1: It was like a test that they passed. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that exactly? The agent said, like, we like the fact
Speaker 1: that they've been so steadfast that they like they believe
Speaker 1: in him so much that they haven't even entertained offers.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't doubt that that he was pissed
Speaker 1: at the Vikings. Of course he was. He was mad
Speaker 1: at them, But I think money would solve that well.
Speaker 1: All about money, plus no one making a play for him,
Speaker 1: no other option than to sit out another year out
Speaker 1: of stubbornness. I mean, it's kind of like you break
Speaker 1: up with someone and no matter what she does, if
Speaker 1: you really truly are on the outs, you're never going back. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what she does, You're never gonna like
Speaker 1: that girl again. Here's another reason why I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson welcomed Mike Zimmer and Spielman into his house,
Speaker 1: and Zimmer said he has an idea of when Peterson
Speaker 1: is going to come back. I think Adrian Peterson will
Speaker 1: be happy to play for Mike Zimmer. I think he'll
Speaker 1: be happy to play with Teddy Bridgewater. It's not that
Speaker 1: the coaches and the teammates. You know, he's mad about
Speaker 1: the organization. And by the way, if west of what
Speaker 1: you're thinking is right, that he does want out for
Speaker 1: more reasons beyond money, and he wants out of town.
Speaker 1: If he thinks we're heading close to June first, if
Speaker 1: he thinks he's gonna end up with a raise playing
Speaker 1: for the Patriots or something that's not happening. I think
Speaker 1: people are under underestimating his wife's role. In this maybe,
Speaker 1: and that's that's fair. It's the stuff about the contender.
Speaker 1: I guess that that sort of thing. It's like, first
Speaker 1: of all, the Vikings might end up with a better
Speaker 1: record than the Cowboys. Anyways, who say, who's a contender.
Speaker 1: I'll take Minnesota. Wow. The one thing we're gonna find
Speaker 1: out is this is gonna be really exciting to see
Speaker 1: what happens next. That's my thought. That was an outstanding
Speaker 1: Thank you. Here's the off season narrative that I don't
Speaker 1: trust personally. Uh, there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: chatter out there about after they change the two point conversion.
Speaker 1: Of course, the kick is now like thirty two or
Speaker 1: thirty three yards for the point after after being for
Speaker 1: years it was what a seventeen yard attempt? And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Gary Kubia came out and said last week
Speaker 1: that it's gonna change. It's gonna change the way we
Speaker 1: we play the game a great deal. I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. I don't trust that all these
Speaker 1: teams are all gonna all of a sudden start going
Speaker 1: for two like crazy. I think they're gonna send their
Speaker 1: kickers out in the field trusting the thirty two yard
Speaker 1: field goals. Most of them will do it, and the
Speaker 1: guys that don't miss it will probably lose their jobs.
Speaker 1: I think the only big thing that come out of
Speaker 1: this year a couple of outliers, maybe a Chip Kelly
Speaker 1: or something like that, could get a little frisky. But
Speaker 1: you're just gonna see some uh kickers lose their jobs
Speaker 1: over extra points, which is why all the kickers are all,
Speaker 1: you know, honking to use a greg is um in
Speaker 1: the first place, because they just realized their job. We
Speaker 1: got a little harder. A little harder is in we're
Speaker 1: gonna guess they're gonna make like of their extra points now,
Speaker 1: is what the committee cames. It's roughly the same percentage
Speaker 1: of NFL coaches who are risk averse, so don't expect
Speaker 1: them to start going for two point conversions. They're still
Speaker 1: gonna go with the safe play. I agree with that. Now,
Speaker 1: what they should have done, I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a game. It was a classic half measure
Speaker 1: because they should have just put the two point conversion
Speaker 1: at the one and then let all the math to
Speaker 1: Peitians basically explained that that's the better play odds wise,
Speaker 1: and then it gets real interesting. But they didn't. They
Speaker 1: didn't do that, and I think it's gonna result in
Speaker 1: just a lot more longer extra points. Well, it reminds
Speaker 1: me of when they initiated the two point conversion and
Speaker 1: there was the same offseason shatter of whoa, this is
Speaker 1: a total game changer. This is gonna completely alter what
Speaker 1: offenses do and how they attack and how they come
Speaker 1: from behind. And it did nothing. The two point conversion
Speaker 1: was used rarely, so rarely that it you know who
Speaker 1: put the first one in Belichick of all people. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: they did not he an innovator, but it was barely used.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why they had to even make
Speaker 1: this change because the initial change to the two point
Speaker 1: conversion never really took effect. Well it's it's affected pretty
Speaker 1: big games, I mean, but it's not used like how
Speaker 1: this is to see how it's going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Last remember Dom Capers, I mean, he was his first
Speaker 1: game with the Texans. He chose to go for two
Speaker 1: to avoid overtime, and he nowed it. I think it
Speaker 1: was like the Texan first game ever was get the Cowboys, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've been They beat the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: the first regular season game. I've been wanting to get
Speaker 1: rid of this extra point a long time, and you're right.
Speaker 1: I think the results will be disappointing. I do hope
Speaker 1: that they're so boring that they consider moving it back
Speaker 1: again to the forty three or moving those Just get
Speaker 1: rid of it then if you're gonna make it like
Speaker 1: a really hard kick, just but it was a really
Speaker 1: hard kick when they first not really hard, but it
Speaker 1: was hard, much harder when when they first had it.
Speaker 1: Maybe just get rid of it and they first started
Speaker 1: extra points. Yeah, well, Pete weren't nailing them because they
Speaker 1: were toebangers. They weren't kicking soccer style, right they were. Hey,
Speaker 1: old buddy, you're a tollbanger. You got Luke Grows out
Speaker 1: there kicking toebangers. It's one thing you don't want to
Speaker 1: be called in life or anyone in your family, your
Speaker 1: sisters a toe bang. Well you ever, did you, guys
Speaker 1: eay soccer? Yes? So, like you know, when you when
Speaker 1: you're in grade school and you're playing soccer, if you
Speaker 1: kick it toe style, they call it tobanger. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's seen as uncouth in the soccer world
Speaker 1: because you can't control the ball. It's just the fireball
Speaker 1: you're sending out there. The only soccer talk. The only
Speaker 1: goal I scored on my own team, I was defense
Speaker 1: and the only goal kicked it off the back of
Speaker 1: my foot and no one was watching. It just went
Speaker 1: off the back of my foot into the goal and
Speaker 1: no one weren't new where the ball was. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what, I'm eight years old? What am I
Speaker 1: doing here? Got to get off alright. Finally, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: known as the Boss, you know, freshly back from New England.
Speaker 1: Were you at the Free Brady Uh party England? The
Speaker 1: rally did not did not bring me. I thought of you. Im.
Speaker 1: I was like if there was a news show and
Speaker 1: they were like scrolled across the crowd and it was
Speaker 1: like Greg and full like face paint, holding his daughter
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. It would have been my favorite thing
Speaker 1: since we found out about Delaware. Anyway, Greg, the offseason
Speaker 1: narrative that you do not trust. My narrative I don't
Speaker 1: trust is they thought that Peyton Manning's done and that
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos Super Bowl window is closed. I look
Speaker 1: at that roster and I see one of the top
Speaker 1: three or four rosters in the NFL, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a perfectly reasonable chance that Peyton Manning is going
Speaker 1: to go out there this year and be a top
Speaker 1: eight quarterback or top ten quarterback. Maybe he's not Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning m v P year and I don't think he
Speaker 1: needs to be for that team to make the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Who's driving this narrative? This is largely a Twitter narrative
Speaker 1: I've found rather than I don't know I I brought
Speaker 1: it up with Daniel is this even I don't think
Speaker 1: has said it on this show, but I haven't heard
Speaker 1: it anywhere. But he doesn't count with anything Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: I feel like he has to recuse its at this point.
Speaker 1: There's a general feeling or a general I don't think
Speaker 1: when people are coming out with picks in August and
Speaker 1: no one's taking the Broncos anymore. And to me, there's
Speaker 1: there's no difference this year really, when I look at
Speaker 1: the Broncos compared to the last couple of years, I
Speaker 1: see it there and then as one of the favorites.
Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference. Peyton Manning is a
Speaker 1: mystery now. Nobody knows what he is, but you know,
Speaker 1: I do find it interesting that I think it was
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus, or maybe it was Rotor World put
Speaker 1: out their top one hundred players and Manning wasn't on it.
Speaker 1: I thought that was symbolic of of the way that
Speaker 1: people now are not giving Manning the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt based on the fact that he got injured at
Speaker 1: the end of last season and we for some for
Speaker 1: some reason, it's been decided by some people that he's
Speaker 1: done and he's in a period of decline. But we
Speaker 1: don't even attach it when nobody says anything about as
Speaker 1: an example, Tom Brady, who's I think thirteen months younger
Speaker 1: than Manning. No one ever says, oh, he might be
Speaker 1: getting old. Manning got hurt, hurt his squad, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the belief is that he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be that's all people just. I mean, Brady just heroically
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl and now he's an antihero. You
Speaker 1: throw all it together. But like with Manning, it's the
Speaker 1: last impression we had him in that Cults game where
Speaker 1: he looks sub hard. It was. It was hard to watch.
Speaker 1: It's hard to watch someone that's been as good as
Speaker 1: he has been for so long play at that level.
Speaker 1: But then you find out that the injury impacted at all,
Speaker 1: and that should change the way we feel. But I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a narrative saying that anyone picking the
Speaker 1: a f C West has the Broncos as a shoe
Speaker 1: in a f C West winner and a Top A
Speaker 1: Final four contender in the a f C. That's the
Speaker 1: way i'd see them. I think the Peyton Manning injury thing,
Speaker 1: it's hard to separate how much of that was the
Speaker 1: quad and how much is his arm and how much
Speaker 1: is it they connected. I'm sure they are, but the
Speaker 1: last few years he's lost arm strength. Come December in
Speaker 1: January or or how likely he is to have some
Speaker 1: other problematic injury next year that pops up very possible.
Speaker 1: But everyone should also remember that through about what week
Speaker 1: nine or ten last year, is probably the best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league besides maybe Aaron Rodgers. He was a study,
Speaker 1: was on pace to throw fifty more touchdowns, and then
Speaker 1: he got hurt. And people have tried to dig dig
Speaker 1: dirt on Brady at various points. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: that sort of offseason conversation last year. Has he declined
Speaker 1: or not? So you said Okay, Peyton Mandy mystery he is.
Speaker 1: But Tom Brady is a mystery too. Tom made. The
Speaker 1: cliff is coming for Tom Brady. He's got to fall
Speaker 1: off at some point. You're talking about the reigning Super
Speaker 1: Bowl m v P. I'm just saying he could have
Speaker 1: a bad season and it wouldn't shouldn't shock anyone consider
Speaker 1: But I don't think he made bad stretches. He's not
Speaker 1: a mystery yet. There's no there's no evidence we have
Speaker 1: evidence with Manning his last eight games of last season. Well,
Speaker 1: you pressed when he has to use a regulation football,
Speaker 1: will you tell me that probably the same thing he
Speaker 1: did in the Super Bowl when he had to use
Speaker 1: the regulations football or the second half against before you
Speaker 1: you know, hit me up on Twitter. That's a joke,
Speaker 1: you punks. Greg was definitely at the Free Time Brady Parade.
Speaker 1: It was many of his operatives. If it wasn't him,
Speaker 1: he paid people to go fill that fill that venue.
Speaker 1: All right, that's it, uh folks for today's edition of
Speaker 1: the Round the NFL podcast. Thank you as always for listening.
Speaker 1: We will be back with our second show the week
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Speaker 1: uh you know. Wait, hold up up, I haven't forgotten
Speaker 1: the podcast MVP. The podcast we do. People love it.
Speaker 1: It's going to Dan Azs for creating the free Tom character.
Speaker 1: That was wow, wow, right under the gun there. I've
Speaker 1: never dan is beaming right now here. Yeah, I know
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Speaker 1: just as a Bury the hatchet maneuver, or maybe too
Speaker 1: Greg because he's our boss. I knew you weren't gonna
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