Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. He's better than the Coaches Show.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined by a
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosa. Thought,
Speaker 1: what's up? Boys? Finally, uh intro I can get behind
Speaker 1: that was? That was my favorite one yet TV. That
Speaker 1: was there's nothing subtle about that shot across the bank
Speaker 1: enough to please Greg. I have a six in the
Speaker 1: morning interview with Brian Billick tomorrow. Well he's not gonna listen,
Speaker 1: don't um. And so we got the four of us
Speaker 1: in the studio and we talked about how we got
Speaker 1: the fifth mic. We got her for a good reason.
Speaker 1: Uh to my left. She's the host of Round the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL, the television edition, which is important. She's
Speaker 1: the face of the Top one hundred Players of two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen Countdown and two thousand fourteen and two thousand thirteen.
Speaker 1: She's also a Los Angeles Area Emmy Award winner for
Speaker 1: Best Sports Feature. Michael reave a story two thousand five
Speaker 1: who said, I don't do research. Lindsay Rhodes straight from Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: folks always accurate, you. Where do you do? Um are
Speaker 1: in my closet? Oh? Emmy's subtle, very humble. That was good. Lindsey,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Around the NFL podcast. How are you?
Speaker 1: Thank you? I'm so excited to be here. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't possibly begin to describe it. N I got
Speaker 1: a documented we have. I mean, we were trying to
Speaker 1: figure this out yesterday. What Lindsay means the Top one
Speaker 1: hundred Countdown, which is every Wednesday night at eight pm
Speaker 1: Eastern Time, nine pm Eastern Time. That wasn't in Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: That's why. Uh, Lindsay hosts the show along with some
Speaker 1: other some other talented people rington Eric Davis, yes, counting
Speaker 1: it down. We're now through the first twenty um, so
Speaker 1: Lindsay is going to join us and talk about the
Speaker 1: Top one. And we were trying to figure out downstairs
Speaker 1: yesterday what Lindsay means to that show? You know, is
Speaker 1: it the Bob Costas of the NBC coverage that's I
Speaker 1: went Bob Costas and you guys, these guys can't stand
Speaker 1: saying she's more he's kind of a mix between Joe
Speaker 1: Lonardi and Dick Vitel of college basketball because she's you know,
Speaker 1: she's the face of it, like, but she's also kind
Speaker 1: of a bracketologist. You're always figuring out who's left on
Speaker 1: the list. You're into it, am I've been told to
Speaker 1: tone down the nerdiness. You could be as nerdy as
Speaker 1: you want here. Yeah, it's well, just being here is nerdy.
Speaker 1: This is an off day for you. You got a
Speaker 1: babysitter to come in. That's how about the Joan Holliday.
Speaker 1: These guys wouldn't do that, Mark, I don't have babies
Speaker 1: to sit. How about Lindsay? Is the Joan Holloway of
Speaker 1: the Office of Sterling, Draper, Cooper and Price. Has that
Speaker 1: taking it too far? I thought you could read into
Speaker 1: that in a number of days I would baby have
Speaker 1: not preferred that, All right, for reasons. Well we'll stick
Speaker 1: with Dick Vital then gears for a minute. Yeah, last
Speaker 1: time Lindsay was on, remember Damn was trying to come
Speaker 1: up with a nickname for himself. Oh, yes, we've got one.
Speaker 1: Oh what is it? He is? Dandy Rich? All right,
Speaker 1: let's give her the option. Lets Lindsay will settle it
Speaker 1: right now. The old Zeuser, the old Zeus, which I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I love. It's just something that has come
Speaker 1: out a few times, kind of natural originally from your yourself. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: third person, the old Zuer. It's like Kobe and Black
Speaker 1: Mom and uh but no, it wasn't see whereas Black
Speaker 1: black Mom and Kobe was very you know, calculated, moved
Speaker 1: probably to move units of sneakers or something. It just
Speaker 1: old Zeuser just came out on your partner. Calculating came
Speaker 1: out of your mouth. I'm afraid I have to vote
Speaker 1: against it. And then the other option is Daddy Rich,
Speaker 1: vote for Daddy Rich. All right, there it is. Let's
Speaker 1: settled Rich, all right, we can go Now. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's seeing a lot of excitement in the room. Mark Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sad that you spoke old Zeuser yourself, because you
Speaker 1: could get old. I mean, you know that would fit
Speaker 1: you for many years. Daddy Rich. I know Dan out
Speaker 1: of out of work, and I don't Daddy Rich doesn't
Speaker 1: really resonate with that. What I'm seeing with Dan and
Speaker 1: this whole thing is a fabricated nonsense. I mean, he
Speaker 1: chose to first of all, you knew she choose Daddy Rich.
Speaker 1: It was a signed to me that you like this,
Speaker 1: Daddy Rich. You've embraced the way. By the way, since
Speaker 1: West first you knew it was. This whole thing was rigged.
Speaker 1: Don't know what you're going to choose. Well, it's logical.
Speaker 1: No one would pick the old Juicer if they were alive.
Speaker 1: The things that swayed me was the fact that you
Speaker 1: nicknamed yourself the old suser. It also reminds me of
Speaker 1: an old cat who's a mouser. You know, they call
Speaker 1: a cat a mouser because it chases mice. Having all
Speaker 1: been born after the eighties, none of us know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah. Wait, we're well off the track.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, so big show today with
Speaker 1: Lindsay joining us, we are going to get into the
Speaker 1: top one hundred. As I said earlier, we're also going
Speaker 1: to break out, you know, one of the one of
Speaker 1: the real ro eyes and games within the around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast sphere. What's your fancy but you know better
Speaker 1: known as Mark Qualas to Fantasia? Not quite right, its Fantasio?
Speaker 1: Oll did we come from different areas of that region.
Speaker 1: We have different dialects. And by the way, I made
Speaker 1: the mistake today at work in the office of doing
Speaker 1: a Twitter search of qualast Fantasia and I could have
Speaker 1: been fired if anyone was looking at my screen. Who
Speaker 1: you know, it got adults real quick at our work.
Speaker 1: Whenever you do anything on toward on the internet, not
Speaker 1: usually it's right a reference when he's blowing a whistle. Stop,
Speaker 1: get back to work. And that didn't happen here Twitter.
Speaker 1: It was the wild Wild West. But before we get
Speaker 1: into those things, we're gonna check behind the glass. TD
Speaker 1: already on fire. He's got five mics. They seem to
Speaker 1: be all working. What a producer? What's going on? Guys
Speaker 1: and Greg? I know you love the the open intro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you love that, but just remember that each
Speaker 1: show like I did last year when it'd given out
Speaker 1: the podcast of the show, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what, Well, we're definitely better than the coaches,
Speaker 1: so because we exist. You know, they go into hibernation
Speaker 1: for six months and maybe or maybe not, they come back.
Speaker 1: Boys do it. You know, they take a little off season,
Speaker 1: take a little break. You can say the same thing
Speaker 1: for Jeremiah. Everybody just like shutting it down and then
Speaker 1: they come back and hope no one notices, but people
Speaker 1: notice that hibernation brings their average show length down to
Speaker 1: three and a half minutes. Thinking about your new nickname,
Speaker 1: we weren't had a producer called Christi Rich short for
Speaker 1: Kate Rich. That could have been really awkward, you know,
Speaker 1: Daddy Rich k Rich. That's true. But she's gone. She's
Speaker 1: gone now. I don't I don't find that out at all.
Speaker 1: All right, you know, let's listen to this. Click that
Speaker 1: for Emmy reel. What who? What was that for? I
Speaker 1: don't even know where that's It doesn't mean happen again.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a keeper, whether Lindsay's on the show
Speaker 1: or not. Behind the glass yoar with me. Brandon found
Speaker 1: this on YouTube. It's a show open lital access. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're all over the that's in the regular rotation. Alright,
Speaker 1: this real quick though, show of hands. Who who in
Speaker 1: the year has an Emmy Award? You know, by the way,
Speaker 1: a show of hands doesn't work in an audio in
Speaker 1: here show, Oh you just to raise your head. Let
Speaker 1: the record show he was raising his eye. That is
Speaker 1: very that's highly unbecoming of you. Can we please do
Speaker 1: some news congratulations on your board, Barry Horowitz, you want
Speaker 1: to do that on a podcast? It will get beeped
Speaker 1: to he's gonna get me fire. Here we go. Let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Let's get to it. Starting with all right,
Speaker 1: we know the Ted Wells Report is out, and Ted
Speaker 1: will to Ted Wells in a fiery matter, um, you know,
Speaker 1: hit out against the Patriots and Tom Brady's agents, saying,
Speaker 1: anybody that would question me and my integrity is off.
Speaker 1: Well The Patriots doubled down and on Thursday released on
Speaker 1: a website They basically launched the whole website, the Wells
Speaker 1: Report context dot com uh nearly twenty thousand words of
Speaker 1: rebuttal to Wells's report, which basically, you know, we all
Speaker 1: knew the Patriots and Tom Brady's camp are unhappy now
Speaker 1: here it is. These are all the reasons why we
Speaker 1: think the Wells Report uh is crap basically, And this
Speaker 1: is why you find out hours later that Tom Brady
Speaker 1: formally appeals his four game suspension. Uh. Greg, We'll start
Speaker 1: with you. We said, Uh, it felt like we were
Speaker 1: heading towards lowering up, lawyering up, and uh, potentially a
Speaker 1: real battle looks like here it is, it's here, and
Speaker 1: it's disappointing. It reminded me as I was going through it,
Speaker 1: and I read most of it, and we I did
Speaker 1: the thing the post for the site. It started to
Speaker 1: mind me of the lockout, that no one looks good.
Speaker 1: Everyone is a loser. So if you're coming up with
Speaker 1: winners and losers, the NFL is a loser, the Patriots
Speaker 1: are losers. Tom Brady's a loser. Were losers because we
Speaker 1: have to cover this the networks, you know, because they
Speaker 1: have to cover it all day. It's just it's kind
Speaker 1: of at that point that that that's my takeaway from it.
Speaker 1: Lindsay your thoughts. I don't even know where to start,
Speaker 1: because I there, I have so many thoughts about it. Uh,
Speaker 1: the rebuttal and full disclosure. I haven't finished treating it.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't even know how far I am because
Speaker 1: it doesn't have pages, so I'm just scrolling down and
Speaker 1: it appears that I'm about three quarters of the way
Speaker 1: through it. But some of it I think consults my intelligence,
Speaker 1: and some of it is kind of plausible, and I
Speaker 1: wish that they had just stuck to the points that
Speaker 1: were plausible, right like, so that you give me a
Speaker 1: reason to believe that this happened a different way. And
Speaker 1: there are some parts of it right. I read that,
Speaker 1: and I say, okay, maybe maybe it could have gone
Speaker 1: down like that and not does raise an interesting point.
Speaker 1: How would he have, you know, laid all the balls
Speaker 1: out in the bathroom in a minute and forty seconds
Speaker 1: and deflated them but not deflated them too much, and
Speaker 1: never deflated the same ball twice. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, there there's a lot They made some
Speaker 1: good points, is my point, but then there were other
Speaker 1: elements of it where I was like, that is so absurd.
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed for people suggesting that, well they I mean,
Speaker 1: they messed up obviously in my opinion, because what lindsay
Speaker 1: is saying it's true like they did. They went after
Speaker 1: some things that were maybe hazy in that report, but
Speaker 1: then they threw in things that became like the focal
Speaker 1: point for a lot of people, such as the reference
Speaker 1: to McNally being the deflator, not having anything to do
Speaker 1: with deflating footballs, but that McNally and this is the
Speaker 1: wording on this website was a quote big fellow and
Speaker 1: was trying to lose weight. Also the wording that uh
Speaker 1: McNally saying he was going to go to ESPN that
Speaker 1: was explained to way as being it had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him telling them coming clean about the deflation
Speaker 1: of the balls. That was about uh, the sneakers and
Speaker 1: his boss maybe not being happy that these things were
Speaker 1: going on behind the boss's back, handing out sneakers and
Speaker 1: other apparel. So that's what it seems like the media
Speaker 1: grabbed onto. Well. I think that's a good point, twenty
Speaker 1: thousand words. And they should have known that the media
Speaker 1: sensationalize or make silly. They're silly points. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: of course the media is going to do that, but
Speaker 1: then you lose track of good points, like why were
Speaker 1: people in the NFL office going along with ESPNS reports
Speaker 1: that the balls were initially two p s i below
Speaker 1: the limit when in fact they were just a fraction
Speaker 1: below the limit, And that drove the hysteria of the
Speaker 1: story from the beginning well because it raised the question
Speaker 1: would have the Wells report even been commissioned if the
Speaker 1: ESPN report, which has been proven, you know, conclusively to
Speaker 1: be way off is a bad day for for them
Speaker 1: and Chris Morton's and it with the Wildes report even
Speaker 1: if it existed, if that initial report didn't come out,
Speaker 1: probably not, because that that was really the kick start
Speaker 1: to everything going on that weekend. Well, I have one question.
Speaker 1: So if the Patriots say that, listen, this is all
Speaker 1: squeaky clean, and we were going to send out an
Speaker 1: on the road Jack Carroll wac like scroll on WordPress
Speaker 1: to bombard you with, why did they punish the two
Speaker 1: ball boy guys? And I say guys because they're in
Speaker 1: their thirties and forties. Everyone thinks of them this seventeen
Speaker 1: and eighteen year olds. They're actually grown men, one of
Speaker 1: them with a weight issue. Apparently they texted each other
Speaker 1: o MG. So there are questions. I mean, that's one
Speaker 1: of my biggest problems with the evidence that was set
Speaker 1: before me was that you have grown men. Let's let's
Speaker 1: get into that. By Titty, Can I get a little? Uh?
Speaker 1: Music just feels like this type of music these guys
Speaker 1: listen to. Mark and I were gonna read a text
Speaker 1: exchange between Jim McNally and John J. Stramsky. What's up, derito, inc?
Speaker 1: Not a when's the pond party? I'm on fire? Bring it?
Speaker 1: You still with your women? You must have her omitted
Speaker 1: out of respect to Mrs Stremski. You must have a
Speaker 1: picture her admitted out of respect to Mrs Stromski, Oh MG,
Speaker 1: you working nice dude, Jimmy needs some kicks. Let's make
Speaker 1: a deal. Come on, help the DEFLATA. Yeah. Because of that,
Speaker 1: I think Lindsay hit it on the head, because my
Speaker 1: first reaction was watching Twitter explode over as you said,
Speaker 1: certain silly points in it. I haven't being gotten to that.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming most everyone in this room and pretty much
Speaker 1: everyone talking about d he haven't read the words. If
Speaker 1: you stripped that stuff out and you just responded in
Speaker 1: a very serious manner to this, the many points you
Speaker 1: could have made, you solve yourself the trouble, and people
Speaker 1: might see this whole thing is I think we're at
Speaker 1: a point of front straight because it all seems so silly,
Speaker 1: along with everything of course, and I think they went
Speaker 1: with a kind of legal strategy which was the kitchen sink,
Speaker 1: which is that you just tried to refute all eighties
Speaker 1: seven points that the Wells report made, whether you had
Speaker 1: a good argument for it or not, instead of just
Speaker 1: focusing on the stuff that was interesting, including the gauges,
Speaker 1: which I didn't really understand too much ahead of time,
Speaker 1: But that was that was the first five thousand words
Speaker 1: were about how the two different gauges had different measurements,
Speaker 1: and the case that they made that it was misleading,
Speaker 1: that the way the Wells Report presented information was was
Speaker 1: a very strong case and pointed a finger at Walter
Speaker 1: Anderson and how the NFL handled things. And I think,
Speaker 1: as I'm reading this, what I thought was the Patriots,
Speaker 1: uh bending the rules, are cheating whatever you wanna call it,
Speaker 1: and the NFL doing a poor job handling it and
Speaker 1: punishing them, uh incorrectly that they're not mutually elusive. I mean,
Speaker 1: they both can be completely true. See I read the
Speaker 1: gauges part though, and I found much of the gauge's
Speaker 1: argument to be comical. I thought that they were asking
Speaker 1: us to believe a lot of things that just a
Speaker 1: logical person would jump to the same conclusion that the
Speaker 1: Wells Report did, and to like, Yes, there were two
Speaker 1: gauges that were used at halftime, and whether it was
Speaker 1: or was not the same gauge that was used in
Speaker 1: the pregame. Um, they did two separate measurements of each
Speaker 1: ball for both the Patriots and the Colts, the four
Speaker 1: Colts balls that they measured at halftime, and they they
Speaker 1: they what they what they don't get into or what
Speaker 1: they don't address is that the point here is that
Speaker 1: the difference in drop off was so much greater for
Speaker 1: the Patriots balls than it was for the Colts. So
Speaker 1: then I don't even understand why they would go to
Speaker 1: the ideal gas law because you would seem to think
Speaker 1: that that would also impact the Colts balls. I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is really scientific stuff that we're
Speaker 1: not in legal stuff that we're not gonna understand. The
Speaker 1: ideal gasla I mean, they have a guy who's won
Speaker 1: what the Nobel Laureate explaining why he thinks the atmospheric
Speaker 1: conditions could completely explain what happened. But who are we
Speaker 1: doing leaning hard on that stuff? Who are we? Who
Speaker 1: are we to judge it? The Patriots say that they
Speaker 1: received written notice the day after the game that the
Speaker 1: league had made a preliminary finding that the Patriots may
Speaker 1: have tampered with the pressure of the footballs, and that
Speaker 1: is in their in their rebuttal proof that the league
Speaker 1: had already come to a conclusion of fault and that's
Speaker 1: why the people that they are to be their independent
Speaker 1: investigators were hired to prove this. To me. That says
Speaker 1: that they found enough evidence to launch an investigation. Well,
Speaker 1: they tried to. They tried to take the argument to
Speaker 1: explain the difference in the two balls, that we had
Speaker 1: the ball the whole first half, that the Cults were
Speaker 1: so bad in the game that our balls were used,
Speaker 1: our footballs were used three quarters more of the time
Speaker 1: than than Indianapolis. And they also brought up how in
Speaker 1: the pregame preparation it's outside. It's just ridiculous, because they
Speaker 1: even they went so that was their arguments to answer
Speaker 1: that question. They haven't argued the sting operation, but uh
Speaker 1: Don Yee has argued that it was a sting operation
Speaker 1: in which they were set up. But then they said that, uh,
Speaker 1: they had a problem that despite the concerns expressed by
Speaker 1: the Cults prior to the game, the officials didn't write
Speaker 1: down the pregame ps I measurements, which if they had,
Speaker 1: that would lead me to believe that they saw fit
Speaker 1: to build a case because if you know that they're
Speaker 1: at twelve point five, and all but two of them
Speaker 1: were at twelve point five when they measured them before
Speaker 1: the game, and then they just put a little bit
Speaker 1: more air in two of them, so they measured out
Speaker 1: at twelve point five. If you're the officials, all you
Speaker 1: really care about is okay. So I'm keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on the balls to make sure that they're taking care
Speaker 1: of properly. If I know that they're twelve point five
Speaker 1: going into the game, I don't feel the need to
Speaker 1: build a legal case to back that up because I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that anyone's cheating. This whole issue, this debate
Speaker 1: that we're head mean, it just goes to show that
Speaker 1: it's a trivial, very trivial thing that happened with no
Speaker 1: definitive conclusions. And that's my problem all along. How do
Speaker 1: you give somebody a four game suspension a million dollar
Speaker 1: fine in the first and fourth round raft pics when
Speaker 1: there are very few definitive conclusions? How do how do
Speaker 1: we see this playing out? Because now you have Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Kessler involved, It's gonna be appealed, and I think eventually
Speaker 1: it ended up in federal court, was appealed to Tom
Speaker 1: Brady appealed it today. And how does it end. Let's
Speaker 1: let's stay focused on just the suspensions for Tom. I
Speaker 1: think the suspension, if I'm just gonna take a guess,
Speaker 1: I think that the Patriots, it's complex star with Brady.
Speaker 1: I think he gets down to one game. Well, you
Speaker 1: can't answer the question until we It's my point is
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell is the one that names the arbitrator. He
Speaker 1: will name someone independent. He's not going to see it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll oversee it, you know, which would
Speaker 1: get for that. But he could dame someone a little
Speaker 1: more in house, because it's his right to do so. Then,
Speaker 1: but it's it's in the CBA that he can do it,
Speaker 1: and that's how they've often done it throughout the NFL.
Speaker 1: It doesn't Brady and his counsel then have the option
Speaker 1: to take at the federal court. Well, they could go
Speaker 1: to court. That's totally that's separate from the suspension. I mean,
Speaker 1: the federal court is not going to talk about goodbye offseason.
Speaker 1: I think if we have a neutral arbit trader, all
Speaker 1: the entire suspension will be wiped away. Well that I
Speaker 1: think the cases that week and Goodell has to worry
Speaker 1: about He has to worry about that because you know,
Speaker 1: they sent it to Paul Tagliabu. He wasn't so kind
Speaker 1: on the NFL. He sent it to um what's her
Speaker 1: name is Jones? Barbara Jones. She wasn't too kind to
Speaker 1: the end of all. So they gotta they gotta be
Speaker 1: careful here who I think, if they're smart, they send
Speaker 1: it right back to Barbara Jones or somebody who has
Speaker 1: ruled against them recently, because at this point, just from
Speaker 1: a pr standpoint, I don't understand what the league had
Speaker 1: to gain from finding fault with the Patriots. To me,
Speaker 1: just as an outsider looking at this, I would have
Speaker 1: thought if they were going to sway this at all,
Speaker 1: they were going to cheat this investigation. They would cheat
Speaker 1: it the other way because this is a team that
Speaker 1: just won your largest game of the season, the game
Speaker 1: that everyone watches. He's the Super Bowl MVP. It makes
Speaker 1: it look like that game is tainted. They have something
Speaker 1: to lose from the Patriots and Tom Brady, not the
Speaker 1: other way around. The one thing that bubbled up today
Speaker 1: from some people was that where Goodell has gained respect
Speaker 1: and this isn't coming from you know, this is just
Speaker 1: whispers from the thirty one other teams and owners who
Speaker 1: thought he would favor the Patriots and he went in
Speaker 1: the other direction that some of the owners and teams
Speaker 1: feel that he did the right thing. I think I
Speaker 1: think it gets upheld. I think there's enough uh in
Speaker 1: terms of the Patriots not working with the investigation. I
Speaker 1: think the whole idea that the NFL has something to
Speaker 1: gain from dragging the Patriots and specifically Tom Brady through
Speaker 1: the mud. I think they'll see through that is not
Speaker 1: something the NFL wanted, and I think it will be upheld.
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. So I don't think there's enough
Speaker 1: there for Brady. Like to me, they haven't connected the dots.
Speaker 1: Having read the Wells report, I don't get knocked down
Speaker 1: just because they didn't make a strong enough case. I
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, but I think you get knocked
Speaker 1: down before we move on. I do have a couple
Speaker 1: other the bigger picture points are more interesting to me
Speaker 1: than I mean, it almost feels like talking back and
Speaker 1: forth about the p S size. It is almost like
Speaker 1: we're falling for the banana tailpipe, like we shouldn't be
Speaker 1: talking about this nonsense. But there are a couple of
Speaker 1: big things here that when is the last time an owner?
Speaker 1: I mean, this was the moment where the Patriots started
Speaker 1: going hard after the NFL. It is at a very
Speaker 1: interesting moment in a league that prides itself on all
Speaker 1: thirty two teams, you know, collectively own everything. We all
Speaker 1: think about the greater good of the league. This is
Speaker 1: the most powerful or one of the most powerful owners
Speaker 1: going at the right exactly. The guy who got praised
Speaker 1: for edding the lockout is now challenging the authority of
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's where does this go? Does he become
Speaker 1: that guy that it's a pretty big deal for bad news.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so different too, because Al Davis we
Speaker 1: all know, is that cowboy and he was kind of
Speaker 1: a renegade guy. Craft isn't that guy he wears a
Speaker 1: force ones. Well, that's true, that's a great point. In fact,
Speaker 1: I've been shut down completely by the Air Force on
Speaker 1: but no, like Craft has never been that guy you
Speaker 1: would think would go outside the box like that. So
Speaker 1: he's the closest thing you get to an assistant commissioner.
Speaker 1: It has to make Goodell feel very uncomfortable, and I
Speaker 1: mean it's a it's about it's for a league that
Speaker 1: prides itself on the all speaking as one. It's a
Speaker 1: really bad moment. And then I wonder, you know, how
Speaker 1: is it going to turn off casual fans at all?
Speaker 1: Maybe this is no, not at all. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: over radiant. It's may absolutely not. The season will start.
Speaker 1: This stuff happens every year. If Ray Rice and everything
Speaker 1: else didn't turn fans off, this, this will not either.
Speaker 1: I don't mean that. I don't mean that the ratings
Speaker 1: are going to go off. Just no. Just for a
Speaker 1: league that's so concerned about PR it's another if anything
Speaker 1: and will people people will just be hungrier for real
Speaker 1: football to begin because of this tedious nonsense that we're
Speaker 1: gonna spend all. I agree with Mark, but I also
Speaker 1: see what you're saying that at a certain point there
Speaker 1: could be a tipping point enough black eyes for the league.
Speaker 1: People are gonna get turned off by the product. Does
Speaker 1: it not take critical thinking for fans to get tired
Speaker 1: of this? I think the hysteria of the issue in
Speaker 1: the first place shows that there's not much critical thinking
Speaker 1: going on. I get I'm basing it on my wife, really,
Speaker 1: who is my placeholder as a casual fan. She's not
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan at all, and she's vaguely annoyed by
Speaker 1: different things that have come up over the years, certainly,
Speaker 1: and but this was one where it's just like she's
Speaker 1: saying this is the dumbest thing everything. If everyone at
Speaker 1: the league office and everyone at the NFL network and
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the lawyers, like, if you had all
Speaker 1: spent that time to do something productive instead of deflating
Speaker 1: a little football, like how many? That's ten tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars of productivity and moneylean flesh down the
Speaker 1: toilet for like a little deflation of football. It just
Speaker 1: insane my barometer. My brother and my husband, and they
Speaker 1: feel the exact same way. I think it's an excellent point.
Speaker 1: I think that the rest of the world is reporting
Speaker 1: this story and looking at the story so much different,
Speaker 1: and we're going to look back in ten or fifteen
Speaker 1: years and say, are you kidding me that this much
Speaker 1: was made out of this story. I have almost never
Speaker 1: been asked to do like a radio hit in London,
Speaker 1: but they one of the talk radio stage almost but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but an accent, I did it this
Speaker 1: week and they were baffled. I mean that was the
Speaker 1: word they were used. They were trying to get well,
Speaker 1: why would they do? They were I was trying to
Speaker 1: explain it in normal normal Greg seamlessly builds his own
Speaker 1: brand in the middle of the podcast. Now it greg
Speaker 1: Sonic billboard has been erected. Ready, let's move on. Alright,
Speaker 1: so he's on fire today. Okay, yes, TD, you're doing
Speaker 1: great five mi just right off the top and now
Speaker 1: you're rolling with the drops and the way we go.
Speaker 1: He's engaged this time. It must be because Lindsay said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know exactly. We need Lindsay here for you to
Speaker 1: We needed we need a Lindsay hologram that just since alright,
Speaker 1: so speak a Lindsay. The top one players of two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen Countdown is back. It launched last week with
Speaker 1: the first ten players, and then on Wednesday night we
Speaker 1: got the next ten players. So twenty have been revealed,
Speaker 1: going all the way to number one. And uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, how do you want to get into this?
Speaker 1: Should I let me just go down. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: down the list real quick. Randall Cobb at a hundred,
Speaker 1: Calais Campbell, Adam Vinettieri, Joe Flacco, Jarrell Casey, Emmanuel Sanders, C. J. Moseley,
Speaker 1: Jason Witt and Aaron Donald, Julian Edelman, Michael Bennett at ninety,
Speaker 1: Greg Olsen Glover, Quinn, DeMarcus Ware, Eric Weddle, Golden Tate,
Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs, Marquis Pouncy, Helodi Nada, and Darren Sprowles at
Speaker 1: number eighty one. That's where we at. We're at so far,
Speaker 1: and uh, Greg, I'm gonna start with you on this,
Speaker 1: um actually before we do that, Before we do that,
Speaker 1: the expert, Yeah, I want to just ask lindsay, how
Speaker 1: how long you've been doing this countdown now since it started,
Speaker 1: which was two thousand eleven? Wow? Okay, so what are
Speaker 1: you What are your thoughts about the top one d
Speaker 1: contdown in a in a macro sense, that's a really
Speaker 1: wide ranging question. Uh. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: always interesting to see how the players view their peers
Speaker 1: and how it changes from year to year. I think
Speaker 1: one of the things that I thought in year one
Speaker 1: was that it might not fluctuate that much from year
Speaker 1: to year. And so how do you have sustainability if
Speaker 1: it's kind of the same names over and over again,
Speaker 1: but like, oh, Peyton's number three, but this year he's
Speaker 1: number four. You know, it's like, is there much debate
Speaker 1: involved with that? But there has been a lot of
Speaker 1: turnover from year to year? You have something I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is this year. I want to say
Speaker 1: it's like forty players that are new to the list,
Speaker 1: which means that forty players that were on the list
Speaker 1: are no longer on it. And I think that the
Speaker 1: first handful of weeks are probably some of the better shows.
Speaker 1: They're not the bigger names. Um, but once you get
Speaker 1: towards the top of the list there, I mean, I
Speaker 1: because I'm nerdy, I I could pretty much tell you like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's who's left. Here are the twenty names. I've done
Speaker 1: the math. There's twelve quarterbacks, there's nineteen wide receivers. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's I think eleven running backs. It's like you could
Speaker 1: make a list right now and figure out kind of
Speaker 1: who they are, especially once you start knocking some of
Speaker 1: them off. I think we've had four wide receivers that
Speaker 1: have come up so far. So I've got my list
Speaker 1: of nights. You're counting the cards sort of. But I
Speaker 1: mean even if you're not counting the cards, once you
Speaker 1: get to twenty, you're like, okay, so J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning. I mean, anybody can rattle off
Speaker 1: the people that should be Lindsey does not know. I
Speaker 1: do not that that's the fascinating part of it to
Speaker 1: do the show that way. Well, you guys know because
Speaker 1: you're by my desk that I spend the next ten
Speaker 1: I spent ten weeks with like my fingers in my
Speaker 1: ears in the room, and I get very angry if
Speaker 1: anything is tipped off to me, like legitimately angry because
Speaker 1: we go on this reaction show and you not only
Speaker 1: are reacting to the ten names that were just revealed,
Speaker 1: but you're sort of trying to figure out what it
Speaker 1: means for the list moving forward. And you can't have
Speaker 1: these conversations and have them be legitimate, organic, fun conversations
Speaker 1: if you know the answers, if you're faking it. Lindsay
Speaker 1: sits right next to us, and what we get We
Speaker 1: have to write a post that we roll out right
Speaker 1: when the when the list goes live, so we'll sometimes
Speaker 1: get a look at it before Lindsay sees it unveil.
Speaker 1: So it's created some tension, let's face it, within the
Speaker 1: dynamic of around the NFL. And what's the dumbast player
Speaker 1: ranking you've ever seen on this list? Jimmy Graham wasn't
Speaker 1: on it too. Yeah, that's easily we I mean We've
Speaker 1: been writing about the show as long as it's been
Speaker 1: on the air, and and we've sometimes raged against the
Speaker 1: list for that very reason. Something I think Julio Jones
Speaker 1: got left off. Aaron Roger's not in the top ten
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, and then even things like even DeMarcus
Speaker 1: where he he drops thirty one spots. Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: all over the other's If nothing else, it's it's great
Speaker 1: for debate. And the kicker on the list this year,
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco ranks one spot ahead of a kicker right
Speaker 1: Invinitary is not even the best kicker in the league
Speaker 1: at all? Is he? Last year? He was pretty damn good,
Speaker 1: but still well. At one point, Joe Flacco was in
Speaker 1: the top thirty or so coming off the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And the weird thing is he's a better quarterback now
Speaker 1: than he was then. So is Eli Manning. And I
Speaker 1: would bet that Eli is ranked lower now than he was. No,
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is not on this list. I don't know
Speaker 1: that for because he's a few years removed. The further
Speaker 1: you are from your Super Bowl is directly proportional to
Speaker 1: your ranking. The thing is they give us random clues,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, with me, I almost have to
Speaker 1: be careful, like because yesterday they gave us too many
Speaker 1: clues and it gave away one of the players, Like
Speaker 1: they said, Um, we knew that there was one center
Speaker 1: on the list, one uh, one player that dropped fifty
Speaker 1: eight spots, one uh player from Notre Dame. Then I
Speaker 1: saw that NFL Media PR department head tweeted out a
Speaker 1: former defensive Player of the Year was on the list,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, there was a former defensive
Speaker 1: player of there who happened to fall in that ten
Speaker 1: name range. That would be one of the fifty eight
Speaker 1: players who could possibly have dropped that or one of
Speaker 1: the ten players that could have possibly dropped. And so
Speaker 1: I was like before the show went on, just just
Speaker 1: based on those two, you know, it was sizzle to
Speaker 1: West's point about the value of a Super Bowl win,
Speaker 1: not just for the quarterback especially, but really any any
Speaker 1: of the players that are on that Super Bowl run.
Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs has taken a dive since he won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But also Joe Flacco is a great example,
Speaker 1: and he's been on the list all five years now,
Speaker 1: ninety eighteen after he won the Super Bowl. So he
Speaker 1: was a top twenty player as of two years ago
Speaker 1: fifty eight and then now, so he's right, yeah, well
Speaker 1: the first in the last year seven. That feels like
Speaker 1: they might have it. I think it shows you too
Speaker 1: that the players, we can sit around and we can
Speaker 1: stare at metrics sites all day long and watch our
Speaker 1: own game tape, these eyes play against these players. And
Speaker 1: I think there is some amount of reverence for what
Speaker 1: Flacco did during that Super Bowl run that's fresh off
Speaker 1: people watching him go on a three or four game
Speaker 1: hot streak that was outrageous, and maybe they thought he's
Speaker 1: turned the corner. He's a new guy. He just won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. That's a ton of respect from players,
Speaker 1: and then you know nothing since close and so he drops.
Speaker 1: He played awesome in the elimination game last year. I
Speaker 1: made a face because you can say what you want
Speaker 1: about these numbers. In May, say he deserves to be nine.
Speaker 1: Come January. You're scared to death of facing Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: Your Patriots are scared to death of facing Joe flac.
Speaker 1: Peace scant is at seven to nine. At least he
Speaker 1: was definitely not the defense. Also, so he's the twelveth
Speaker 1: ranked quarterback because he was the first one revealed in
Speaker 1: their twelve Quarterbacks on the IF. The way that they
Speaker 1: do the voting for this is they hand a player
Speaker 1: list with twenty open spots and they say, tell me
Speaker 1: who your twenty best players are in the league. And
Speaker 1: those you know, one is waited more than twenty. So
Speaker 1: who's putting Joe Flacco in their twenty right now? Well,
Speaker 1: who's putting they're in sprawls. He's eighty one on the list.
Speaker 1: Like there in sprawls gets seven hundred yards every year.
Speaker 1: I think they're I like they're in sprawls. But think
Speaker 1: about that. I think he had at least one prime
Speaker 1: time Sunday night game where he went nuts, And I
Speaker 1: think sometimes that's all takes and that's not just the
Speaker 1: football players. That happens with a p voters all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, being on prime time allots can help you.
Speaker 1: But that means so someone waited a sprowls or someone
Speaker 1: else very very high higher than he should have been, probably,
Speaker 1: and he lands on this list because of not voter fraud,
Speaker 1: but like weird voting, weird decisions by these players. All right, Greg,
Speaker 1: every year there's a w TF moment. Okay, of course
Speaker 1: there was the famous Charles Clay number one hundred. A
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Dennis Pitta, he was in the eighties,
Speaker 1: was Clay Clay Pitta was one hundred? I believe, uh,
Speaker 1: And now this year coming in that number eighty eight.
Speaker 1: But I disagree with you. I've come back on it
Speaker 1: after my initial reaction, walk it back. I am, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think if you were taking your best
Speaker 1: hundred players in the NFL, there's no way Glover Quinn
Speaker 1: would be one of your first. But he is coming
Speaker 1: off of a good season leading the NFL in interception
Speaker 1: is not a sign you're a good player. A lot
Speaker 1: of people lead the league and an interception doesn't really
Speaker 1: I wrote an article last November when Cam Chancellor was
Speaker 1: injured saying that Glover Quinn and James ahead of bout
Speaker 1: arrivaling them for the best safety pair, and he was
Speaker 1: playing that well at the time. And I think it's
Speaker 1: easy to look back in January or May and say
Speaker 1: who's Glover Quinn? Why think of it as two thousand
Speaker 1: fifteen not two thousand fourteen. So that was partly what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Like, No, what if you're asking GMS to
Speaker 1: pick a hundred players I don't think anyone of the thirty.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's taking a forty two year old
Speaker 1: kick or either the problem for you Greg as you
Speaker 1: put and it's there forever. Yeah, you can't change it here,
Speaker 1: but it does mean like your article on Lais, we
Speaker 1: all have articles we wish didn't exist. All right, let's
Speaker 1: do uh, before we move on the top five, let's
Speaker 1: guess our top five. Lindsay you can recuse yourself from
Speaker 1: this if you want to do it, or you want
Speaker 1: to do it, Yeah, I don't know if you're allowed
Speaker 1: to the by laws of the top one game? Are
Speaker 1: we asking our top five? Are saying who we think?
Speaker 1: Who you think are the top five players? And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, same rules as on the show. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: not really who had the best season? Just who? Right now?
Speaker 1: Who do I have it? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, alright the
Speaker 1: Kristen Cavalary commercial but the promo, Oh well, actually, why
Speaker 1: you bring it up? You are a big fan of
Speaker 1: pinterest Cavalery and it's not so much No, it's not
Speaker 1: so much that I'm not a fan of Cavalery. I
Speaker 1: think that commercial isn't maybe her best work. You don't
Speaker 1: find the chemistry. Chemistry is just electric. I just disagree. Guy. Huh,
Speaker 1: that's that sounds like you guys grew up in the
Speaker 1: same area. You know what, it's funny we did. It's
Speaker 1: not funny. Where did you grow up? Lindsay in l A.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Lake Forest, which is the city
Speaker 1: that's just Inland Beach, so pretty close. So practically the
Speaker 1: same person. Well could be worse. I like Kristen Cavalary,
Speaker 1: I don't know who she is, not dislike christ and Cavalary.
Speaker 1: I just that that commercial grade. I've seen that so
Speaker 1: many times. I have no idea what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: When she because game Day Glam, What is that interest? Bro?
Speaker 1: Game Day? What is game Day Glam? It's she's looking
Speaker 1: at interest for ideas and dishes and things. When we
Speaker 1: sell the podcast, can you make sure you sell it
Speaker 1: as roads slams Cavalary? Alright, Uh, I almost called you,
Speaker 1: Kristen lindsay, what are your top five players of two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen? Yeah, So as soon as I argued my
Speaker 1: way into this conversation, he realized they don't have that
Speaker 1: list organized yet. All I know is that Rogers is
Speaker 1: number one, and I would put what number two. I
Speaker 1: think I agree. Does everyone agree with one? To put
Speaker 1: what I ended last season? It says the best players,
Speaker 1: not the most valuable players. So in terms of how
Speaker 1: great he is as a great player, it's not the
Speaker 1: guy you know I'm starting my team with. But at J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: he's the best player. He's done, He's been the best
Speaker 1: player I've ever seen. I disagree. I think Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is the best player I have. I wish the people
Speaker 1: listening could have seen Greig just Usually usually we don't
Speaker 1: like that song, but this time it proved my point.
Speaker 1: I can't get on Greg Watt is historically dominant in position,
Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers at the same level is doing the
Speaker 1: same thing and only a more important position. So I
Speaker 1: gotta go with what it's not the most valuable, Well,
Speaker 1: you did the same thing last year, change the way.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't care about any other position.
Speaker 1: I have four quarterbacks and then J. J. Watt that
Speaker 1: what is better at what he does by far than
Speaker 1: what Rogers is that but that's the one who's the
Speaker 1: next closest quarterback in the NFL right now, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: one who suspended for four and luck Rogers look I
Speaker 1: love Luck, you know that, but Rogers is way better
Speaker 1: than him. I think, what to who's the next guy behind? What? Then?
Speaker 1: Dominican sue over quarterbacks Williams. Oh, no, you're talking about
Speaker 1: pensive lineman. You're talking about his positions. I'm going, all right,
Speaker 1: what I got fired up and thought, I'm putting him
Speaker 1: like in the top five. The rest of your top five?
Speaker 1: Do you have it for us? I don't have an order.
Speaker 1: I think to Marco Murray is pretty high this year,
Speaker 1: Brady Peyton that quarterbacks do go heavy at the top.
Speaker 1: Mark your list. Those two will be up there. Who
Speaker 1: are your four quarterbacks? I go Rogers, he is far
Speaker 1: and high above all the rest. Number two, I go Brady,
Speaker 1: I just Ton okay, big Bend. Number three, Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: number four, J. J. Watt, number five, mm hmm west
Speaker 1: the best player? Who do I want to go into
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen season? Aaron Rodgers, J. J. Watt, Gronk
Speaker 1: O Rock that's right, Adrian Peterson, Odell Beckham. See I
Speaker 1: thought I would be uh. I knew Backha wouldn't be
Speaker 1: on your list, and he was the most unstoppable. Here
Speaker 1: here's my top five, And I thought about Beckham. I
Speaker 1: thought about Dez Bryan. I wanted to put a wide out,
Speaker 1: but I went with someone else. Aaron Rodgers one, J J.
Speaker 1: Watt to Tom Brady three, Andrew Luck four, Julio Jones five.
Speaker 1: I heard a stat on Julio Jones. Yes, well, we're
Speaker 1: not trying to we're not trying to predict. Okay, you
Speaker 1: think will make the list this year? Better? I have
Speaker 1: what you go what first? Rogers second, Adrian Peterson third?
Speaker 1: And in these lists they never recognized the guys who
Speaker 1: weren't there last year, so he might even beyond the list.
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna get married. I give credence to
Speaker 1: the tip on the shoulder factor, but he should just
Speaker 1: he is the next greatest player right away, Greg, You've
Speaker 1: just built the Houston Texans over the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1: Have a nice time with it. I'm gonna go, who's
Speaker 1: Brady next? And Levyan Bell? Maybe let's throw in his
Speaker 1: number five. You got suspended. That's a good one. I
Speaker 1: think Marshawn three will have been suspended in the last
Speaker 1: twelve months. He's probably never I don't know how high.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think this has got to
Speaker 1: be his highest year. I would think the way that
Speaker 1: that they ended the season, Marshawn Lynch proved how valuable
Speaker 1: he was, how much he changed, would have won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl form if they give probably should be in
Speaker 1: the But I take one thing about Peterson. I know,
Speaker 1: generational player and all that, but he wasn't that great.
Speaker 1: We get on Lashawn McCoy and say he was over
Speaker 1: the hill or heading that direction because he didn't have
Speaker 1: a great season last year. Look at Adrian Peterson's season
Speaker 1: before he got suspended. It wasn't even before that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we can do the same thing with Shaun McCoy and
Speaker 1: then say they should have never done. If you that
Speaker 1: that year, though his numbers were misleading because of the
Speaker 1: team he was on, in the quarterback he was playing with,
Speaker 1: when you watched him, he still looked like the best.
Speaker 1: He carried back the team the year before, when you
Speaker 1: remember two thousand yards, he carried that team the same way.
Speaker 1: I thought he looked great. I thought people that were
Speaker 1: talking about his demise that that next season weren't watching all.
Speaker 1: I'm saying thirty years old out of the league for
Speaker 1: a full year. Not I'm just saying, I'm i gotta
Speaker 1: see it again. I guess I'm gonna get proven wrong
Speaker 1: by Peterson two years in a row. We'll see what happens. Lindsay,
Speaker 1: Who's who do you got then? And you got two more?
Speaker 1: Three more on the list? Do I? Yeah? Well you
Speaker 1: did you put him in? Well? Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know about the order. I'm sorry. First first it
Speaker 1: was my nickname, and now it's the top five. Uh
Speaker 1: so Rogers Watt, I like your lady on. Actually I
Speaker 1: might kick to Marco Murray out, but de Marco was
Speaker 1: just had such a good season. I can see him
Speaker 1: get and over eight on this list. I wouldn't play
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put him in my time. He wasn't playing
Speaker 1: that well by the end of the year. Okay, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Brady three like that, and then I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not going o bj that high. I'll go Lynch four,
Speaker 1: and then I'll go I'll go Peyton five. Still respect
Speaker 1: for the old timer. I think the players in the league,
Speaker 1: when you just ask around, regardless of how he finished
Speaker 1: the season, they all think that Peyton's a game changer,
Speaker 1: are one of the best ever and still is. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, so that's it. That's our top one talking
Speaker 1: every Wednesday night, nine pm Eastern. Lindsay Rhodes, the host,
Speaker 1: counted it down all the way to number one. You
Speaker 1: better what because that would be not cool. Good programs.
Speaker 1: Next week's list includes uh and this is seventy one,
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks and one rookie too quarters. Wait, let's figure
Speaker 1: out two quarterbacks. Who are the two quarterbacks? And Cam Newton?
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's gotta be one. It's I guess well, it
Speaker 1: just seems like eight. He'll probably be like in the
Speaker 1: ten of eleven Stafford. Maybe. I don't think Stafford is
Speaker 1: gonna make it. I'd be surprised if he did. My
Speaker 1: vote is Matt Ryan. Yeah, yeah, I think you're I
Speaker 1: think Cam and Met Ryan. There's only one way to
Speaker 1: find out. You got to tune into NFL Network next
Speaker 1: Wednesday at nine pm hate pm Central. Right here, I'll
Speaker 1: just tell you, you know what, you're making things weird,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with Khalil Mack as the rook
Speaker 1: Don't make me pull your hair. I'll tell you if
Speaker 1: you're right, girl, Mac, that's a good one. Was I
Speaker 1: agree with us? All right, let's move on. Finally, let's
Speaker 1: get into it, uh, you know, a rising game within
Speaker 1: the culture around the NFL. Some people call it What's
Speaker 1: Your Fancy, but the real people call it do you
Speaker 1: want to try it? Yeah? Well you got it? Oh
Speaker 1: oh sorry, I thought you're asking if I wanted to
Speaker 1: play the game. Okay, well the music still play. It's good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good for so. Really it's a it's a
Speaker 1: fancy way. It's like an either or game. So we'll
Speaker 1: we'll each we'll go around the horn here and each
Speaker 1: throw out a scenario and then we all decide which
Speaker 1: one which either or what's your Fancy? And we'll start.
Speaker 1: I'll get it going. That is the creepiest Spanish speaking
Speaker 1: individual ever listened to. I once tried the German. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: remember was vast there. Don't try to take over the world.
Speaker 1: Our Alex Drawick are one of our photographers downstairs. She
Speaker 1: knows French. So I said it would be great to
Speaker 1: get somebody saying it in French and she declined, just
Speaker 1: like alright, moved by her, don't you want to be involved.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be exploited. She's a multi language
Speaker 1: speaker and she's not gonna be exploited. On the podcast,
Speaker 1: all right, really, we'll say it. I don't know it's funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say fantasy in French. It
Speaker 1: doesn't imagine those meeting fancy A lot of crapes. What's
Speaker 1: going on at there? It's like, can we drink? All right?
Speaker 1: I was well, I don't know. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: You are Reggie Mackenzie. Now you know. Let that's oak
Speaker 1: in for a second. Wow, you're writing Star Wars fan
Speaker 1: fiction in your study. When the phone rings, all right,
Speaker 1: now you're going to let's have some fun with it.
Speaker 1: It's Robert Kraft, the Pat's owner, explains that he's had
Speaker 1: an awakening and now realizes his team's continued to flate
Speaker 1: gate fight will cause permanent damage to the brand if
Speaker 1: it goes any further. He repeatedly utters, I need to
Speaker 1: blow it up. I need to blow it up, over
Speaker 1: and over again. It's it's actually a little weird. He
Speaker 1: then offers a trade that causes you to spit out
Speaker 1: your drink. Khalil mack Amari Cooper and a two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen first round pick in exchange for Tom Brady. Craft
Speaker 1: is mannic. He's jump, He's on edge. He says, take
Speaker 1: it or leave it right now. If you wait thirty
Speaker 1: more seconds hanging this phone and this conversation never happened,
Speaker 1: Well that's Stasia Mark. I do it, Tom Brady. You
Speaker 1: suddenly have a franchise quarterback in a division gutter team,
Speaker 1: thirty eight year old quarterback, one of the best ever,
Speaker 1: an excellent and excellent defender, and Cleil Mac an unknown
Speaker 1: in Amari Cooper probably a great wider sleep trading them
Speaker 1: you can if you can find that down the road,
Speaker 1: You've got Tom Brady for another couple of seasons. I
Speaker 1: do it. You do it. If you're Reggie mackenzie, you're saying,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the only option. Well, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: I think if I'm writing Star Wars, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: understand it. I'm trying to understand you're this exercise. I
Speaker 1: am pulling the triggers. You know how I feel about
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks. But you can't do this if you're Reggie McKenzie,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, thirty years old. One bad hit and you
Speaker 1: just lost Cleo maca first round pick, and did you
Speaker 1: say Mary Cooper and the future first round? Right? You
Speaker 1: just lost all of that talent and one hit could
Speaker 1: end Tom Brady's career at this point. You'll never be
Speaker 1: a GM again if that, if this movie blows, Reggie
Speaker 1: Mackenzie's never going to be a GEM again anyway. That's
Speaker 1: why I do it exactly exactly, Derek Carr, we don't
Speaker 1: know how good he could be once he has a
Speaker 1: legitimate Well hypothetically you keep him on the bench, you
Speaker 1: give him two years behind Brady, and then you put
Speaker 1: him in his anyone to throw too, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a first round pick next year to bring in
Speaker 1: more to it. And I say he could have replaced
Speaker 1: man Brady with Manning at this point last year and
Speaker 1: then look where you be now, not knowing whether your
Speaker 1: quarterback can throw anymore. Greg, I take it. I always
Speaker 1: like when it's three or two because because like you said, West,
Speaker 1: he's never going to be a GM anyways. I don't
Speaker 1: think they have any hope with what they have now,
Speaker 1: and he's going to be out there. You add Tom
Speaker 1: Brady to your team, that's pretty cool, and you never
Speaker 1: know what we've killed them for everything they've done up
Speaker 1: to now, so this would be something that we can't
Speaker 1: kill him on. Well, West would apparently, no. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty convincing point that at least
Speaker 1: you could compete for a division titles. Tom, I know
Speaker 1: this is such a good one. I know we aren't
Speaker 1: supposed to do this, but what what if we flipped around?
Speaker 1: Would you make that trade if you were Robert Kraft? Yes,
Speaker 1: you would if you like Jimmy Garoppolo. No, No, Well,
Speaker 1: Belichick has made a history of getting rid of his
Speaker 1: quarterbacks before they craft you're in a super Bowl window.
Speaker 1: I had to I had to think hard about it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a crazy thing to do, but
Speaker 1: I would lean. No, you're winning a super with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: You're not winning a Super Bowl with Jimmy g You
Speaker 1: never know. That's what they said about a guy named
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. They're not the same person. And Western designers
Speaker 1: Greg thinks he's getting a double rainbow stage. I guess
Speaker 1: why you guys to do all the can we make
Speaker 1: the point that Garoppolo and Brady are not the same quarterback,
Speaker 1: even though one is replacing the other, just as Brady
Speaker 1: replaced Bread, Because I think a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the country don't understand that very true. Don't know after
Speaker 1: a month of Jimmy Garoppolo, though I wonder which supermodel
Speaker 1: Hill Mary Yeah Tera Reid is still available. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: former Brady Girl podcast totally off the rails, Shall we go?
Speaker 1: All right? Your life goes in one of two directions.
Speaker 1: One over the next decade, your favorite team will win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl ten straight times in each of those
Speaker 1: ten years. You will also be given a two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollar stipend and not be required to work another hour.
Speaker 1: Your life is all about travel, family, friendship, art, leisure, pleasure,
Speaker 1: whatever you want it to be. You have no material concerns.
Speaker 1: But on the first day of the eleventh year you
Speaker 1: are abducted by alien visitors. You will you will endure
Speaker 1: whatever comes with that and never see the Earth again.
Speaker 1: Or our football team never wins more than three games
Speaker 1: in a season ever again, and you must work in
Speaker 1: a tuna fish factory for as long as you live. Alright,
Speaker 1: what in the world scenarios? Welcome to Mark's version of
Speaker 1: the game. Wait, how long are you abducted? You have
Speaker 1: ten years years of absolute bliss. Everything goes right. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I got that, But how long are you abducted? You're
Speaker 1: gone forever? Oh of course I'm gonna have a crappy
Speaker 1: football team and work at the tuna shop. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm stinking with I'm stinking you take you take all
Speaker 1: the football permutations out of this. For me. I don't
Speaker 1: care about my team. I like that if I'm getting
Speaker 1: ten years of bliss, like absolute bliss, Give me the bliss. Baby.
Speaker 1: He knows what's going to happen in the next ten years.
Speaker 1: Like a diet. You never know at the fair point,
Speaker 1: Give me the bliss. I want the guarantee. Got you.
Speaker 1: I got you as there wasn't anything in the tuna
Speaker 1: fish factory scenario that implied that you were miserable. Well
Speaker 1: you're not all right, but you're not here anymore. You'd
Speaker 1: work the rest of your life. But you still have
Speaker 1: your family, your what you have are the simple comforts,
Speaker 1: but you live a low level exist. Your family is
Speaker 1: not a simple comfort. Well, I'm just saying you have
Speaker 1: you have the basic you really are because the money,
Speaker 1: the money and the travel that's not going to make
Speaker 1: you happy. Well, you could leave that for your family too.
Speaker 1: You could get caught in the canning machine and come
Speaker 1: out in twos, or you could work your way up
Speaker 1: and find something interesting about the tuna factory and uh,
Speaker 1: you see, I think it was Well, maybe this all
Speaker 1: comes down, you know, to religion. You know, if you
Speaker 1: just believe, if you don't, if you're not into the afterlife,
Speaker 1: I'm I want to add on more than ten years
Speaker 1: podcasts different if you were like a fisherman of tuna. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that sounds fun. I know. That's why, because because
Speaker 1: it would be cool to see what happens during But
Speaker 1: then they're that that's like a trope. But you're answering
Speaker 1: this question. How big of a factor is the football
Speaker 1: to you? Because I feel like as a Brown family,
Speaker 1: it would be a big it would be a bigger factor.
Speaker 1: The ball was almost like a throw on. It was
Speaker 1: like it was reading you into all these things going right?
Speaker 1: Can I be honest with you straight super Bowls? Does
Speaker 1: any it sound that great to me? Honestly, give me three.
Speaker 1: If you went tend in a row, I'm sure by
Speaker 1: the fifth one it wouldn't feel that great anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to test that theory. I think here's
Speaker 1: something that people are losing sight of. If the aliens
Speaker 1: find us before we find them, they're more we're likely
Speaker 1: to be in enlightened people, and you're with more enlightened people.
Speaker 1: They don't want to probe you, they just want to
Speaker 1: I like that you're an optimist. When it comes to
Speaker 1: an alien invasion, I wouldn't even call it an invasion.
Speaker 1: All right, your turn was, Oh, okay, I just want
Speaker 1: you guys three years. They're too good. I think West
Speaker 1: has got a good one. Let's gonna have a hammer drop.
Speaker 1: You guys are getting called up from NFL. Now you're
Speaker 1: getting the call from Triple Later, the majors. You're on
Speaker 1: Total Access. But here's the deal. You've gotta go shirtless
Speaker 1: for your whole segment on Total Access, first time in
Speaker 1: front of the nation. You gotta go shirtless. Millions and
Speaker 1: millions of people across the world or NFL gum shoe
Speaker 1: ted Wells will look into your background and prepare a
Speaker 1: two hurt and forty three page report on your back
Speaker 1: and he's taking your phone. Yeah. Now, neither scenario really
Speaker 1: bothers me that much. But I'll go on TV shirtless.
Speaker 1: I'll do the shirtless. I would like to be in
Speaker 1: better physical condition for this national television debut. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, like you know, that's the thing you
Speaker 1: don't get Jim time. You gotta go like you are.
Speaker 1: You know, it's better than somebody poking through my life.
Speaker 1: I wish investigation on not that I have like a
Speaker 1: you know, bodies in my backyard or anything, but still
Speaker 1: that that that feels like a violation to me. It's
Speaker 1: probably how Tom Brady felt too. I think my takeaway
Speaker 1: here is West is ashamed of his body to the
Speaker 1: four Oh yeah, do you want Why don't you answer?
Speaker 1: I don't have to I came up with right, lindsay,
Speaker 1: you don't have to answer. I want you to read.
Speaker 1: I'll take the wells. All right, Mark, do you have
Speaker 1: one more? Let's do one more with Mark. Okay, So
Speaker 1: you were starting an NFL team. You can have the
Speaker 1: Dominican sue on this team. This is how you start
Speaker 1: your team. You have do dominant sue. J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith, Travis Kelsey, and Vonte Davis. Plus Matt Castle
Speaker 1: has to be your quarterback for the next five years,
Speaker 1: or you can have just Andrew Luck. I'll take Luck
Speaker 1: Matt Castle for the next five years, five years with
Speaker 1: the rest of those players. Way you're starting quarter Tyron Smith,
Speaker 1: foundational left tackle, Travis Kelsey, and Vonte Davis. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: take that scenario. M hmmm, I'll take Luck. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take Luck to I would take a look just because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade Luck for fifteen first round pick. Matt
Speaker 1: Castle is also thirty three or whatever. You're stuck with
Speaker 1: him for five years. That's just so. And I love Matt.
Speaker 1: Just imagine how much crapping he's going to get in
Speaker 1: five years. My question was similar, maybe I'll do okay,
Speaker 1: all right? Mine mine was simple, See I felt intimidated
Speaker 1: by all of yours, Just a simple one. Would you
Speaker 1: rather have the Seahawks defense and all the contracts that
Speaker 1: come with it? You get the whole defense, or you
Speaker 1: get Ben Roethlisberger defense, all the contracts so that gravy
Speaker 1: ship is a gravy train is about to I'll take
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. This show is I just think maybe it's
Speaker 1: fruiting for a team that's hasn't had a quarterback since
Speaker 1: But I go, Roths, Do you have a bad might? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might not have a bad defense. You might have
Speaker 1: a good You can build a good defense. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got about five more years, So much easier to build
Speaker 1: a team when you have that quarterback. Then I'm feeling
Speaker 1: like all of my choices might have been wrong. There
Speaker 1: are no right or wrong answers in Qualis. I'm questioning alright,
Speaker 1: Qualis to Fountasio. Yeah, everybody's got to be pet Hamilton
Speaker 1: said yesterday that the Colts offense is now the greatest
Speaker 1: shoe on Earth, in reference to the horseshoe cute pep.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said earlier in the off season, if the
Speaker 1: Packers click right, they could be the best offense in
Speaker 1: football history. Mike Tomlin said, my expectation as the Steelers
Speaker 1: will have the very best offense in the NFL. Quillis
Speaker 1: to Fontagia, Colts, Packers or Steelers offense good one. I
Speaker 1: like the Packers. I feel like they would have set
Speaker 1: the scoring record last year. If the teams could hang
Speaker 1: with them even a little bit, they would have dropped
Speaker 1: a five fifty or five what is the record or
Speaker 1: so anyway, they could average thirty five points a week
Speaker 1: and drop fifty Burgers whenever they want. My opinion, Packers
Speaker 1: haven't improved the Colts kind of hand well. The Packers
Speaker 1: kept Cob and had they lost him, I would have
Speaker 1: think differently potentially, but I go Packers too, I Packers.
Speaker 1: I would go Colt mm hmmm. I don't like the
Speaker 1: fact that a dome team. That's the only thing that
Speaker 1: bothers me a little bit. You know, they got to
Speaker 1: go outside the dome. Those games count. But the potential
Speaker 1: of what's going to happen this season with that Colts offense,
Speaker 1: I could I could see it just blowing anything the
Speaker 1: Packards have ever done out of the water. All right,
Speaker 1: one more, I'll do this one ready. Jerry Jones is
Speaker 1: almost finished talking himself into his crappy backfield when there's
Speaker 1: a knock at the door. It's Vikings gm Rick Spielman,
Speaker 1: soaking wet after getting caught in one of those classic
Speaker 1: Texas rainstorms. Rick, Rick, get in here. I'll put on
Speaker 1: a pot of coffee over Java and Danish think every
Speaker 1: episode of Golden Girls. Spielman explains that he's ready to
Speaker 1: move Adrian Peterson to Dallas, his preferred destination. The cost
Speaker 1: des Bryant. I'm keeping Briant, Yeah no, no, not a
Speaker 1: hard one for me. I'm keeping. So it's basically Bryant
Speaker 1: for Adrian Peterson straight up. Yeah. Yeah. And you're dealing
Speaker 1: with you got des contracts stuff you gotta deal with.
Speaker 1: I already got a thousand yard Rushier and Darren mcsad.
Speaker 1: I don't need Adrian Peterson a first round pick, right.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of factoring in that there seems to be
Speaker 1: some fire brewing between the cow poison and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it. Suddenly got cold, Beasley. You're leaning on him
Speaker 1: to be the major, you know guy through the US.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send Charles Johnson the other way too, Now,
Speaker 1: I got you. No, I wouldn't because you're not talking
Speaker 1: about Adrian Peterson at age is just entering this prime.
Speaker 1: Are we just having this argument where everybody was saying
Speaker 1: to get all in on Age. I wasn't dead because
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I have das for the rest of his career. Yes,
Speaker 1: you get all in on Adrian Peterson two plus you
Speaker 1: have a stopping wet Rick Spielman in your kitchen. Get
Speaker 1: in here and then it's a little and I feel
Speaker 1: the most strongly about of all the scenarios, I feel
Speaker 1: strongly in my conviction, even more than the abduction. The
Speaker 1: alien abduction. Yea, yes, but that one I do also
Speaker 1: feel strongly about. I was just curiously would be number
Speaker 1: two on one scenario that rainstorm is called a Dallas
Speaker 1: toad strangler. Classic toad strang scenarios really tell us a
Speaker 1: lot about our subconscious. Mark goes to the aliens, Dan
Speaker 1: goes to Rick Spielman. Wet I went, I went too.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of the lot to digest. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for today's Additionally, around the NFL podcast, you
Speaker 1: know what, oh we have. I don't know the report card.
Speaker 1: I forgot about the report card. I like the report card.
Speaker 1: I didn't listen. The only the only issue I have
Speaker 1: with the report card is that I'm trying to host
Speaker 1: the show, so like I don't I'm trying to throw
Speaker 1: it around the facilitate a little bit. I can't like
Speaker 1: it's a great score. I take that into consideration. Alright.
Speaker 1: With the all that said, though, today's podcaster of the
Speaker 1: show or play of the game, if you haven't quite
Speaker 1: figured it out, is I'm gonna go. I gotta go
Speaker 1: with Lindsay Man. I mean all right, I'm with that.
Speaker 1: You agree with that? You know she showed off quick
Speaker 1: with They are pointing out Robert Kaft and their first ones.
Speaker 1: That was a good, great point. Pull back the curtain.
Speaker 1: This is really happening. Yes, you pulled back the curtain.
Speaker 1: And how how a professional like herself works when she
Speaker 1: talks about the top a hundred reactions, she wants to
Speaker 1: know spoilers, she goes and see it fresh. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like a method acting, you know. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: what came to mind. And great insight there. And how
Speaker 1: what players are on the league think about Payton Manning,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know that's the one sound by
Speaker 1: the NFL films that says for guys, if you could
Speaker 1: pipe down here, that's a great point there because NFL
Speaker 1: films and NFL films presents Insho says, you're talking about
Speaker 1: a living legend right now. That's a player talking about
Speaker 1: Paton man so you know. And lastly, taunt, I took
Speaker 1: French en. Oh your pronunciation is way off again to
Speaker 1: call me out? Leave me? The French club president says, garbage.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, if anybody wants, I got an idea,
Speaker 1: if you know how to send sound files to our
Speaker 1: Twitter accounts, send different languages, Uh, what's your fancy and
Speaker 1: we'll play him on the show to get are you
Speaker 1: guys getting all interactive? By the way, how does that
Speaker 1: I might have searched past. Lindsay with that voting is
Speaker 1: not closed came after the okay, thanks, I put that
Speaker 1: to our thanks all right, Thank you Lindsay for coming
Speaker 1: on coming into the office. I was very kind of
Speaker 1: you and giving us great insight. Top one hundred countdown
Speaker 1: Every Wednesday, nine pm on NFL network. Stan Hands is
Speaker 1: signing off four Quiet Storm the mail Man Lindsay Rhodes.
Speaker 1: We need a nickname for Lindsay the Boss TD behind
Speaker 1: the Glass. Brandon too, also behind the glass until next week.