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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Jnsas and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What's up boys? Hey Dan, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the podcast. It's been It hasn't been very long, less
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours. But um, you know we should
Speaker 1: start with the elephant in the room, the formal complaint
Speaker 1: that you've oh, we're gonna do this in the I
Speaker 1: did lodge a formal complaint in the commissary today. I
Speaker 1: guess you don't blab formal uh no, and it listen,
Speaker 1: I don't like doing this. Mark, you're a very good
Speaker 1: friend of mine. But you know Mark took off Monday,
Speaker 1: and West backing me up. Actually, anything's off here. Mark
Speaker 1: took off Monday. Coincidentally, and I'm gonna say coincidentally, Uh
Speaker 1: the punishment on the New England Patriots drops. So you know,
Speaker 1: while West, myself and Greg pounding out content, you were
Speaker 1: wherever you were, we taped an emergency podcast. You couldn't
Speaker 1: make it. Okay, listen, it was your off day and
Speaker 1: you're you're entitled to that, you know. Move ahead to
Speaker 1: today Tuesday, big hammer drop comes from Ted Wells, who
Speaker 1: hosts a fiery conference call, which we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: a little bit later. Going back at the Patriots and
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's agent, you know, where's Mark Mark again? Now
Speaker 1: on the clock, but out of out of the office,
Speaker 1: and where were you? Well, at a dentist appointment. Your
Speaker 1: teeth do look nice, and I was just noticing, if
Speaker 1: the NFL is not going to give us an off season,
Speaker 1: you got to create one on your own. What's your
Speaker 1: dentist name? That is Dr Peep? I think I believe
Speaker 1: every one in the room goes to Dr. I don't crt.
Speaker 1: It sounds a lot like dentist. Wow. Well, your complaint
Speaker 1: has no no basis and reading well, I'm what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, I'm not I form. I lodged the complaint,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that it can't be explained away
Speaker 1: and maybe just a note. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm it's fair. Let me point out to details. One.
Speaker 1: I did not just take a day off yesterday. It
Speaker 1: is the scheduled time off after getting banged during draft
Speaker 1: week and the week after and uh. The second part
Speaker 1: of this is that I delayed my doctor Pebo appointment
Speaker 1: four separate times, dating back to last summer. The first
Speaker 1: of them was when I had to stay in the
Speaker 1: office because someone in here was out with a new baby.
Speaker 1: So it actually was west breaking news. You know, we
Speaker 1: all we all, you know, we all in a way
Speaker 1: we support each other when we have real life events.
Speaker 1: I'll take you at your word here. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I thought, Greg, and I don't want to sound like
Speaker 1: you know, Pollyanna or anything. I just wanted to throw
Speaker 1: it out there that it was something I had noticed.
Speaker 1: That's all. I'm not turning my dentist, I'm not turning
Speaker 1: my phone over to you over it. But I'm not
Speaker 1: a big conspiracy theorist. But does anyone think that there
Speaker 1: are forces behind the movement to ensure that we no
Speaker 1: longer have off seasons? It's compelling, that is interesting. You're
Speaker 1: you're saying right now, the NFL and Tom Brady's four
Speaker 1: games suspension blowing other sports off the front of the
Speaker 1: sports center. And you know, do the people newspapers they
Speaker 1: still have I believe in websites, web portals. I guess
Speaker 1: it's the old adage there's there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: bad pr I'm not gonna unpack what I'm saying, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that what you just said about being on
Speaker 1: the front page of newspapers and taking over Sports Center
Speaker 1: in May is good for the NFL. And I don't
Speaker 1: buy the I don't buy that. I mean, what what
Speaker 1: could happen there? And it is good for the NFL.
Speaker 1: I do buy that. The timing that it comes out
Speaker 1: after the draft is suspicions that they don't want it
Speaker 1: to be the big after the draft. Did you find
Speaker 1: anything else suspicious? You know? Oh? Interns, Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wait for the report. I've hired an independent investigator. Oh
Speaker 1: wells is available able? Yeah? You know. Listen, when you
Speaker 1: are millions of dollars, it's occasionally that HR comes around
Speaker 1: just says how are things in general? Like are you
Speaker 1: if let's say you had to do something important like
Speaker 1: go to the doctor or a dentist, are you is
Speaker 1: there pressure? Do you feel prevented from doing such? A
Speaker 1: natural human being? I'll say, listen, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to respond to that, but there may be some things
Speaker 1: in that. Listen to this podcast. Yeah, I have it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your honesty. You were fully cooperative in this investigation.
Speaker 1: She didn't ask him to turn over his phone. I
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't do that. It is a company phone though, actually,
Speaker 1: so I you know, you might not have a choice.
Speaker 1: I'd rather we not do that big show today, big show.
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't make things weird when you and
Speaker 1: I Mark, we have a lot to get to show.
Speaker 1: We have our rookie predictions, which we rolled out last week.
Speaker 1: We broke down UH quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, and
Speaker 1: defensive players who we thought would make the biggest impact
Speaker 1: and impact in year one. So we're gonna share some
Speaker 1: of our high octane opinions on that matter. Also, we
Speaker 1: rolled out our annual Projected Starters series today Tuesday, but
Speaker 1: you could find at NFL dot com slash news. Uh
Speaker 1: a FC East first one up. So we've got the
Speaker 1: four teams there. So we'll hit that on some level,
Speaker 1: right Greg, We'll try to get to it. We might
Speaker 1: not get to it. I did get a shadowy league figure.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I gotta come cleaner. Did sit sit
Speaker 1: me down and say, hey, that show a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago that went well over an hour don't let
Speaker 1: it happen again. Well, when the word probably a hundred
Speaker 1: people tweeted at us and said, we like the longer
Speaker 1: podcast maybe, but the exact quote. Sometimes you gotta cut
Speaker 1: people off and shut them up. So if you get
Speaker 1: if you got cut off at any point or anybody here,
Speaker 1: it's not coming from me, you know. Um up the
Speaker 1: food chain, how high up, pretty high, pretty high? T
Speaker 1: D how you doing that person off? Next time they
Speaker 1: try to give you advice, I will not because I
Speaker 1: like working here TV behind the glass. How are you, buddy?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Dan? What you're experience in there
Speaker 1: is kind of like when you're directing a big budget
Speaker 1: movie in the higher ups coming there, you gotta take
Speaker 1: a couple of scenes out, you know, And that's kind
Speaker 1: of like what the deal is. And I'm partly responsible
Speaker 1: for that too, but I'm full one. I don't mind
Speaker 1: the local podcast. But yeah, lastly, though, real quick or secondly, um,
Speaker 1: if you really want to get to the bottom of
Speaker 1: this more excessive thing, I got a buddy language specialists
Speaker 1: with high Man. It's give me five minutes with the
Speaker 1: guy and I'll figure it out. All right, We'll just
Speaker 1: track him during this upcoming news segment and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna check back in with you love it all right? Cool,
Speaker 1: let's do some news before we get Does anyone want
Speaker 1: to get out? Probably you Mark rat about all right?
Speaker 1: I feel I mean, you know, on top of what
Speaker 1: you brought at me, which is total rubbish, you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me you're a body language specialist. I've been saying.
Speaker 1: I know you've been saying it. You've been saying a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of you can say it. Marks
Speaker 1: making a good point Like I could say I'm a magician,
Speaker 1: you know, over and over again. It doesn't make me
Speaker 1: a magician on that's fair. But again, I'm gonna the
Speaker 1: proof was there with Tom Brady. I said it from
Speaker 1: day one, and you know it happened. That's that's gonna
Speaker 1: be in my case, the number one, the first thing
Speaker 1: involving Tom Brady that had proof. All right, So let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Let's start with, of course, we had
Speaker 1: our special uh you know, Patriots POLLUSA podcast on Monday night.
Speaker 1: And so after that happens, Brady gets suspended, the team
Speaker 1: gets fined a million dollars and get stock to draft picks.
Speaker 1: All because what Ted Wells came out with his independent investigation,
Speaker 1: which then the NFL looked that over and made their
Speaker 1: decisions after it. Predictably, the Patriots were fired been upset.
Speaker 1: Uh fired up as well was uh Don Yee, who
Speaker 1: is Tom Brady's agent, who was not happy at all.
Speaker 1: He thought it was excessive the penalty on Brady, so
Speaker 1: ted Wells, which he didn't something he did not do.
Speaker 1: After the Miami Dolphins investigation, UH they're bullying scandal with
Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito, ted Wells organized the conference
Speaker 1: call to speak with the media and uh the reason,
Speaker 1: the main reason and what came out of it, it
Speaker 1: was a very He was very animated and fiery, and
Speaker 1: he basically wanted to make sure everybody knew that he
Speaker 1: answered to no one in this investigation and took up.
Speaker 1: He took an exception to what Brady's agent said, UH
Speaker 1: that he was somehow compromised in the investigation or or
Speaker 1: taking uh taking pointers, or or was pressured but in
Speaker 1: any way by the NFL. Uh. So he came out
Speaker 1: and said that also talked about that Tom Brady while
Speaker 1: fully cooperative in a in a sit down interview. UH,
Speaker 1: when it came down to it when he didn't hand
Speaker 1: over the phone and and he actually Wells didn't even
Speaker 1: ask for the phone. Wells said, uh, to the agent,
Speaker 1: you just give me the information I need from that phone.
Speaker 1: I don't even need the physical phone the page h
Speaker 1: Brady's camp still said no, and that led to Brady
Speaker 1: really getting popped here. So uh, Wells called this, uh,
Speaker 1: this commence called clear the Air West. What did you
Speaker 1: take out of it? Well? What I took out of
Speaker 1: is it NFL gum shoot Ted Wills. There's no shrinking violet,
Speaker 1: He's no hothouse flower. I mean this guy came out
Speaker 1: spitting hot fire. He was, he was fired up. I
Speaker 1: mean he you know, I think the real one of
Speaker 1: the winners in this whole thing was definitely the appearance
Speaker 1: of Ted Wells mustache, which we hadn't seen before and
Speaker 1: in some of those pictures, and he was animated, and
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was annoyed. He said he
Speaker 1: wouldn't even held the conference call if not for Ye's statements.
Speaker 1: He basically wanted to take some shots at Lee at Ye,
Speaker 1: and he really defended his position, defended Well, here's the quote.
Speaker 1: I think it is wrong to criticize my independence independence
Speaker 1: just because you disagree with my findings. That was kind
Speaker 1: of like at the and another thing that that he said,
Speaker 1: I thought that was strong and you know, struck a
Speaker 1: note with me, which makes sense that the NFL was
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't hoping I would come back with the report
Speaker 1: that would find something wrong with the Patriots or Tom Brady. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe they wanted to get the facts the idea that
Speaker 1: somewhere people at the league office wanted to put some
Speaker 1: kind of hit on the most iconic popular player in
Speaker 1: the league, the real face league. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous allegation. You know, he has a point,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't It doesn't make sense for the league
Speaker 1: to want to do this. I think all of the
Speaker 1: stuff coming from Don Yee this week has not helped
Speaker 1: out Tom Brady. It makes their side look a little
Speaker 1: more like crack Pops and it's got Mike Silk. Mike's
Speaker 1: got Mike Silver all hot under the collar. Don y
Speaker 1: does personally. Mike Silver is in the midst of a
Speaker 1: fifteen hour straight shift on camera NFL network. I hope
Speaker 1: they're feeding with like a tube or something. By the
Speaker 1: way he's taking on all comers and thoroughly defeating the
Speaker 1: stronger side of the argument. Well, what about this was
Speaker 1: what if Mike Silver, will we all respect in this room?
Speaker 1: Maybe he's on the right side of the argument and
Speaker 1: you're starting to come around. He needs he needs better
Speaker 1: competition for the debates. That's fair, although he's sell yourself
Speaker 1: there to get on the next I don't want to
Speaker 1: be debating Mike Silver. I like Mike Silver, but come
Speaker 1: on his main point, which is that, well, if Brady
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, and you know, why isn't Brady talking,
Speaker 1: Why aren't they showing any evidence? Why aren't they presenting
Speaker 1: any legitimate case at all? That that's his main point,
Speaker 1: and that's a fair point. I mean, Brady hasn't really here.
Speaker 1: If if what does Brady have to hide? Why not
Speaker 1: turn over your phone? I think that that sticks out
Speaker 1: to the people on the other side of this that say,
Speaker 1: you don't say there's enough proof. Well, part of it
Speaker 1: the proof that Brady could have provided. He chose not to.
Speaker 1: He could have probably turned his phone over and said,
Speaker 1: let's just shut this thing down. If I have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with this, I have to do that because
Speaker 1: what I was struck by was what Wells was getting acrosses.
Speaker 1: You know, we understand why Tom Brady wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: hand over his person phone. This is the hugely famous
Speaker 1: person and it's kind of a weird move to say, here,
Speaker 1: take my phone. They said, just give us the information
Speaker 1: working for give us all the text. Let's say we
Speaker 1: and they eat in specified. Let's say all the text
Speaker 1: you've had with McNally on your phone, all the text
Speaker 1: with the other joker that have been on your phone,
Speaker 1: any anything else that might be pertinent to us, and
Speaker 1: we'll take you at your word on it that you're
Speaker 1: giving us everything that's there. And they just said no
Speaker 1: to me. Again. It was the arrogance that was permeating
Speaker 1: from Brady's camp and the Patriots, and it came back
Speaker 1: to haunting And if I'm not mistaken in the Ray
Speaker 1: Rice case, wasn't Goodell forced to give his phone over
Speaker 1: a phone information over we volunteered. I don't know, you're
Speaker 1: never I don't know if you're necessarily I guess I guess,
Speaker 1: like from the from the angle, if you want to
Speaker 1: shine a light on the Patriots and just say this
Speaker 1: is all wind. And I tend to think that the
Speaker 1: punishment was exceedingly stiff, and it's a little outrageous. And
Speaker 1: I'm with West and you guys to say that the
Speaker 1: proof in that first report was not overwhelming, not even close.
Speaker 1: But turn your turn the information over. When you deny
Speaker 1: doing that, you don't look like you're a forthcoming to
Speaker 1: the investigations. Admit that he wanted the balls deflated, because
Speaker 1: I do agree that would be nice to the idea
Speaker 1: that because of course he did on some level, whether
Speaker 1: he knew what's the right wrong level of deflation, or
Speaker 1: whether you know, whether he knew anything about what p
Speaker 1: s I even was, who cares? It was more if
Speaker 1: if Brady had stepped up that first time and just
Speaker 1: said I did want you know, the ball this and that,
Speaker 1: kind of like the Browns and the Falcons basically said
Speaker 1: we we did our thing, I think the punishment would
Speaker 1: be a lot less. Before we move on, I know,
Speaker 1: we we do want to quickly. I think the one
Speaker 1: thing that Wells pointed out that he really wanted to
Speaker 1: stress was the text from McNally, especially the text he
Speaker 1: refers to himself as a deflator, and that he threatened
Speaker 1: them that he had not gone to ESPN yet, that
Speaker 1: that one text I guess it was where he said, look,
Speaker 1: I haven't gone to ESPN yet, but he was basically
Speaker 1: he took it as a threat. I think that was
Speaker 1: his number one piece of evidence when the seconds it's
Speaker 1: just not I mean, he has no idea what the
Speaker 1: context is. He doesn't know if they're joking with each other,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know how Brady's involved in that triangle? How
Speaker 1: about this part of the part of the conference call
Speaker 1: also is that's part of the reason why Wells wanted
Speaker 1: to speak to mcnalley one more time and the Patriots
Speaker 1: said no, I just think if you can't find it
Speaker 1: out four times on McNally, he only spoke to him one.
Speaker 1: He had a chance to once, but and three other
Speaker 1: people spoke to mcnalley but not, why not? Why not
Speaker 1: talk one more time if you have nothing? McNally had
Speaker 1: another appointment that day. Oh please, he's a low level
Speaker 1: team employee that he has. What what do you need
Speaker 1: five times to interview a guy for? That's not on mcnalley,
Speaker 1: that's on Wells and the flat is a busy guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to like the plane there, you
Speaker 1: have the Celtics um that guy's got nothing. If you
Speaker 1: can't If you can't figure it out in the first
Speaker 1: four interviews, that's on you, not on mcnallely. He's had
Speaker 1: an adult dodgeball league. I know he's big alright. So
Speaker 1: this won't be the last time we talked about this,
Speaker 1: of course, because we don't know. The appeal is coming
Speaker 1: from Tom Brady from what we understand, but there could
Speaker 1: even be some lawyers about it. Could be some lawyering
Speaker 1: up and Greg, you wanted to mention the Craft statement
Speaker 1: as well well. I think the statement from Robert Craft
Speaker 1: is the most interesting thing that's happened since the suspension
Speaker 1: came out. In that Craft, who said he was going
Speaker 1: to accept any punishment, released a very ominous statement that
Speaker 1: indicated otherwise that just you know, it was our intention
Speaker 1: to accept any discipline levied by the league. Today's punishment, however,
Speaker 1: far exceeded any reasonable expectations. It was based completely uncircumstantial
Speaker 1: rather than harder conclusive evidence. So that statement, to me
Speaker 1: indicates that we are considering taking action against the NFL.
Speaker 1: There's no other way to read that. And they put
Speaker 1: the number twelve, you know, they put Brady's jersey as
Speaker 1: their Twitter and their Instagram profile. There's talks of different
Speaker 1: things that they can do, and so this becomes an
Speaker 1: interesting thing to watch. Do the Patriots go after the
Speaker 1: league legally and in courts? Who? Who knows? No one
Speaker 1: really knows. But it was an ominous, an ominous little
Speaker 1: statement there, and we thought this was quiet season moving forward.
Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars, this was after our last podcast last week.
Speaker 1: They were dealt a cruel blow on Friday. Dante Fowler Jr.
Speaker 1: The number three overall pick in the draft and his
Speaker 1: first practice as a pro. UH, suffered a torn a
Speaker 1: c L and eleven on eleven drills out for the year.
Speaker 1: Just outrageous. What's been going on with the Jaguars in
Speaker 1: their first round picks for years? Uh, They've had five
Speaker 1: straight top ten picks and not they're not getting anything
Speaker 1: out of any of them, including Fowler in year one least.
Speaker 1: And this is to the credit to the Jaguars they
Speaker 1: made they showed some good faith. On Tuesday announced that
Speaker 1: they've signed Fowler to rookie contract, the max deal under
Speaker 1: the league slotting system, So it's four years, twenty three
Speaker 1: and a half million, fully guaranteed, no offset language. So
Speaker 1: Dante Faller, just twenty years old, rehab this year, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get paid a lot of money while he
Speaker 1: doesn't this unfortunate incident. It might end up turning me
Speaker 1: into a Jaguars fan. I feel like everybody involved has
Speaker 1: handled this with such a plum. I watched one of
Speaker 1: my rare Saturday shifts. I watched his press conference on
Speaker 1: the Jaguars website. He could not have been more upbeat,
Speaker 1: more composed, more positive, and you could tell it was genuine,
Speaker 1: like he's like, all right, I'm gonna beat this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be back strong next year. It wasn't anyone else's fault.
Speaker 1: This is just what happens in football. And he was
Speaker 1: so composed and so it beat And you know the
Speaker 1: way the Jaguars handled it, paying him fully. They don't
Speaker 1: have to do that. I'm glad they did too. And
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley. I think what happened right after Fowler was hurt.
Speaker 1: Gus went to the hospital and talked about what you
Speaker 1: just mentioned, that that he didn't have any family there.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he was alone, scarred and alone. That
Speaker 1: his response to what happened was unusual. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: and and you know, there were people that tagged Fowler
Speaker 1: as immature before the draft, and Bradley even mentioned that
Speaker 1: and said this completely had us thinking differently. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess, listen, bottom line, there's still plenty of years
Speaker 1: left on this contract and in his career in general,
Speaker 1: and he's going to think of the Jaguars with some
Speaker 1: loyalty after the way they treated him. Sure, but he also,
Speaker 1: you know, they need to win games this year or
Speaker 1: else Gus Bradley and David cald Will won't be around
Speaker 1: to enjoy called, you know, his career. If they win
Speaker 1: three games again, they're gonna get washed out. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out a way to create a
Speaker 1: pass rush. They did a good job of it last year.
Speaker 1: They were six in the league in sacks despite having
Speaker 1: no one that can win one on one matchups on
Speaker 1: the outside. Yeah, I guess I mean that that's that's
Speaker 1: breakout player this year. That's their top outside pass rusher,
Speaker 1: Dan Skuta. I mean, this is big spot. This is
Speaker 1: a team that needs to win some games this year,
Speaker 1: just six or seven. I think they will. Personally, I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to take them as a second place
Speaker 1: team in this division. But they're gonna have to need
Speaker 1: to figure it out. That's a huge there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of bums in this division. I'm just saying. Second. Wow.
Speaker 1: The only regrettable thing, by the way, about the Jaguar
Speaker 1: is and this signing was Tony Khan, the owner senior
Speaker 1: vice president, tweeting out after they tweeted the photo of
Speaker 1: Fouler signing the deal, there was a record hanging behind
Speaker 1: uh over Fowler's shoulder, and Tony Khan tweets out, yes,
Speaker 1: that is an autograph copy of the lumin Ears self
Speaker 1: titled debut album in the back of my office for
Speaker 1: lumin Ears. I know that, I know they sing that
Speaker 1: one I have along with You and you belong with
Speaker 1: me my heart, that song you are taking on the
Speaker 1: Damnick hipster music rolled here. Well, not quite, but that's
Speaker 1: a weird album making fun of someone else's music taste.
Speaker 1: It's just you're putting that one on the wall. Though, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a story behind it. Well, but in Dan's defense,
Speaker 1: they're a wildly annoying even the wording, even the wording
Speaker 1: self tidy titled debut album, it kind of sounds like
Speaker 1: a manager or something. Anyway, they should have just said eponymous,
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. The Houston Xan's trying to
Speaker 1: figure out their quarterback situation. They have Brian Hoyer and
Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett. UH. The two quarterbacks will split first team
Speaker 1: practice reps when o t s begin later this month.
Speaker 1: The team's official website, UH stated on Monday, I'm interested
Speaker 1: in this one and Greg and Mark I'll start with
Speaker 1: you because you obviously have that connection to Brian Hoyer
Speaker 1: as a Browns fan. UH. If you were a Texans fan,
Speaker 1: who do you want to win this what seems like
Speaker 1: a true camp battle shaping up in Houston. Oh Man,
Speaker 1: this is tough. I mean, there's no way this isn't
Speaker 1: just gonna go back and forth this season anyways. But
Speaker 1: I would go Ryan Mallett because I think what we
Speaker 1: saw in Brian Hoyer last year was probably the ceiling
Speaker 1: the best you could get out of him in a
Speaker 1: with Kyle Shanahan doing what he did early on, and
Speaker 1: then he melted down the stretch. Mallet still is a
Speaker 1: complete and total mystery. I mean, Mallett has never looked
Speaker 1: good in the preseason, but beyond that, it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's see what he can do in year or two
Speaker 1: in this offense. But I don't say, if I'm a
Speaker 1: Texans fan, I want to get a different quarterback at
Speaker 1: some point. Not only does Mark Sessler want Ryan Mallett
Speaker 1: to win this competition to Houston, Texans want Ryan maullot
Speaker 1: to win the competition because they spent the entire February
Speaker 1: and March showering praise on Ryan Mallett and basically saying,
Speaker 1: we want this guy to emerge. You got to bring
Speaker 1: in Hoyer because you can't just hand the job to Mallett.
Speaker 1: You can't expect him to play all sixteen games and
Speaker 1: play well. So of course you go get Hoyer. But
Speaker 1: I mean they paid though, yeah, and they're ideal scenario.
Speaker 1: They they want Mallett to win this job. I tend
Speaker 1: to agree, but I think it's a pretty even battle,
Speaker 1: and that Bill O'Brien likes Brian Hoyer, and that Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer has a lot of experience in Bill O'Brien system,
Speaker 1: and he's the type of guy that coaches love. That's
Speaker 1: why he's brought him to Houston Essentially. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that he worked with for what three
Speaker 1: years in New England. Uh, and it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: at all to see Brian Hoyer as the Week one starter.
Speaker 1: Looking at Howyer stats by Way stats can lie I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a big black mark next the yards
Speaker 1: per completion. That means he led the league in yards
Speaker 1: per completion Brian. Although he did have what about ten
Speaker 1: completions a game effected the last five completions, it's not
Speaker 1: the smallest sample size ever, and he finished with the
Speaker 1: seven point six yards per attempt. I think he got
Speaker 1: to look at him by game that should be a
Speaker 1: bolded number next to Kyle Shannahan's name, since he managi
Speaker 1: manufactured all those play action passes down the field. In
Speaker 1: other Texan news news, they drafted DJ Sweringer, the safety
Speaker 1: with their second round pick in two thousand thirteen, and
Speaker 1: they quit on him. They try to trade him for weeks,
Speaker 1: and when they couldn't find a suitor, they decided to
Speaker 1: release the safety. Uh, he was right as we came
Speaker 1: up today we learned that he was then claimed on
Speaker 1: waivers by the Bucks. So Swearinger two year run. He
Speaker 1: was a starter for the for the Texans, but really
Speaker 1: struggled both. It sounds like both on the field and
Speaker 1: maybe off the field. He wasn't a guy that was
Speaker 1: popular with the front office. He's gone out of Houston,
Speaker 1: looks like his head into Tampa. There's a report out
Speaker 1: today that he was cut because he didn't want to
Speaker 1: play special teams or refused to play special teams. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the only reason. But he seems like
Speaker 1: our friend at rum for Johnny on Twitter, I asked
Speaker 1: yesterday there's gotta be more to the story, and he
Speaker 1: made a good comparison between DJ Swearinger and Brandon Merryweather.
Speaker 1: It was kind of surprised when the Patriots pulled the
Speaker 1: plug on Merryweather first round pick. The same thing with Swearinger,
Speaker 1: but they all they both want to just hit people
Speaker 1: instead of tackle, and they you know, they take bad
Speaker 1: routes to the ball. They're not they're not ideal and coverage,
Speaker 1: so I think there's some of that where it's just
Speaker 1: a knuckle hit. One of my favorite uh NFL media
Speaker 1: acquisitions of the year, Lance's Eerlein, who did a good
Speaker 1: job and all our draft coverage, he just tweeted really
Speaker 1: the same thing that he was a box safety. It
Speaker 1: really wasn't even that good a Tackler just like to
Speaker 1: make big, splashy hits. It wasn't that good and coverage.
Speaker 1: So Mike Tomlin loves him. Congratulations Tampa Bay, you got him. Uh,
Speaker 1: moving on in Dallas. This is from Friday, something I
Speaker 1: just wanted to touch on. Uh, you know, it's very
Speaker 1: hot and Muggie and Irving, Texas this time of year.
Speaker 1: I guess, uh for rookie minicamps. Randy Gregory on the
Speaker 1: same day Dante Fowler unfortunately was lost with the season.
Speaker 1: NFL Network had eyes on Randy Gregory laboring off the field,
Speaker 1: being assisted by multiple trainers, dehydrated too much heat and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know greg to me, this is
Speaker 1: when Randy Gregory is uh bombs out of Dallas in
Speaker 1: three years, I'll remember that as the exact moment I
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't gonna work out. Totally unfair. This really
Speaker 1: got under your skin and it was unfolding on. I've
Speaker 1: had he's exhaustion. It's no joke. I'm sure it's no joke,
Speaker 1: but just sometimes forgot about the the fact that it
Speaker 1: could happen to anyone. Sometimes you just know and mark
Speaker 1: my words and TD mark this date when Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is sent packing from Dallas. Uh, you heard it here first,
Speaker 1: You're right at the time, Dan was, it just brought
Speaker 1: out the inner Skip Bayliss in him. He was just
Speaker 1: like he's done and this is it. They he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a bust. There's no chance for Gregory in Dallas.
Speaker 1: His face too, and then you know he's afterwards. You
Speaker 1: know it wasn't a good look. It wasn't a good look.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Joe McKnight, he famously lost his
Speaker 1: cookies a number of times when he showed up for
Speaker 1: that work out. Yeah, a lot of times. These hard
Speaker 1: knocks things tell you something. Sweringer was a very annoying
Speaker 1: character when they had the joint practices with the Falcons
Speaker 1: last year. And listen, West West. You can be dismissive
Speaker 1: of my analysis, but guess what two years from now,
Speaker 1: not exactly in professional athlete shape, when I got my
Speaker 1: heat exhaustion. So I can see where your analysis coming from.
Speaker 1: Were you in that garage? And I think there may
Speaker 1: have also been beers involved. And then a long walk
Speaker 1: on the beach searching for something in a hundred degree
Speaker 1: weather with a lot of humidity that caused my searching
Speaker 1: for something physical like a wallet or more. I don't
Speaker 1: recall like something bigger, metaphysical, metaphysically, no parallel to an
Speaker 1: athlete on level. Basically no, I was in horrible shape
Speaker 1: and which is why I suffered from heat exhaustion. I
Speaker 1: get your analysis. You're total hottie now. So so you're
Speaker 1: saying Randy Randy. Gregory's preparation for his first NFL practice
Speaker 1: was similar to you drinking twenty beers and a hundred
Speaker 1: degree heat on the beach. I'm not saying that, but
Speaker 1: people can draw their own um. And finally, and this
Speaker 1: is just a straight question for greg Tarrell Prior signed
Speaker 1: with the Bengals UH on May tenth this past weekend,
Speaker 1: and we did a post on it. When can we
Speaker 1: stop writing posts about Tarrell Prior signing with teams for
Speaker 1: short amounts, short amounts of time. Never guy moves the needle.
Speaker 1: The Bengals website thinks he's going to make the team
Speaker 1: if he's in the NFL, we're writing, we're writing it.
Speaker 1: He's an interesting quarterback. We write those things. First of all,
Speaker 1: you're right, he doesn't move the needle. One of the
Speaker 1: sneaky metrics Bombers of two thousand. Greg's corporate no, but no,
Speaker 1: in reality, I think he could be the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: on the Bengals. The Bengals are the rare type of
Speaker 1: team that just give guys like these real shot. Uh,
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson, I get them confused all the time. Myself.
Speaker 1: West's hit list starting to get confused. You're like Ted
Speaker 1: Wells has started investigation into a J McCarron and Josh Johnson.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna come up good. It's gonna open the
Speaker 1: door for he could win that backup job. Why not?
Speaker 1: He's Hugh Jackson's boy. Who was it that we thought
Speaker 1: was out of the league and then was a backup
Speaker 1: in since Jason k Jason Campbell, I don't know if
Speaker 1: and Josh Johnson? Yeah, and I think it was really
Speaker 1: Jess Johnson. And uh, that's what's happening moving forward, all right?
Speaker 1: Really snuck that prior one in there. Sometimes keep you
Speaker 1: on your toes. You know, it's very important to have
Speaker 1: format instructure, but you also got to know keep it real.
Speaker 1: I'm saying Mark, I agree with that, Speaking which TV,
Speaker 1: how was Mark's body language? We get it? You know,
Speaker 1: why don't you bring an expert alongside you to discuss them.
Speaker 1: There are some adversarial body language. When you guys walked
Speaker 1: into the room, no, I said hello, how are you?
Speaker 1: TV didn't get a chance to see you yesterday. Get
Speaker 1: the shrug off looking away. You just gonna looked at me,
Speaker 1: just gonna steering in it. That's not see you're How
Speaker 1: can you be trust like if you're going to a
Speaker 1: narrative from like twelve, basing off and recreate it to
Speaker 1: fit your version. We got enough people doing that. Cut
Speaker 1: to Zach Goldman listening to this podcast in a fetal
Speaker 1: position in the corner in Japan. Don't fight. I can't
Speaker 1: handle this. I do favorite. We're not fighting, alright. So
Speaker 1: last week we rolled out a series we all about
Speaker 1: the rookie class who we thought would fair best in
Speaker 1: UH and let's start with the quarterbacks. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: through four positions. We'll roll through this UH and UH.
Speaker 1: We'll start with Jamis Winston Winston versus Marcus Mariotta. Greg,
Speaker 1: you think Winston UH will have a better first season
Speaker 1: the league. I agree with you, as did Mark. UH.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us why you believe that Winston
Speaker 1: is more pro ready right now than does. Everything we
Speaker 1: heard about him coming into the draft and everything that
Speaker 1: I've seen, he just sounds like the type of guy
Speaker 1: who could make a good transition. I could see him
Speaker 1: having twenty five interceptions, but also twenty five touchdowns. He's
Speaker 1: got a pretty good receiver crew. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the weapons around him is really why I'm making the argument.
Speaker 1: It's really just I think he's a better player than Mariotta.
Speaker 1: You know what, Speaking of he has a bigger he
Speaker 1: has a less of a hill to climb. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, Bobby Bowden, the former Florida Florida State coach,
Speaker 1: came out and had this to say about Jamis Winston today.
Speaker 1: I think it's a consensus among FSU fans and boosters
Speaker 1: that he was an embarrassment to the university. Bunsen Burner
Speaker 1: blowtorch right there, if I ever heard him, that's the
Speaker 1: greatest about in blowtorch ever unnecessary. At the same time,
Speaker 1: easither About could have laid off that here. I think,
Speaker 1: there we go. I think Winston has the better year.
Speaker 1: When you're ready, t d no, I I liked, you know,
Speaker 1: you can look what happened in Tampa last year. On offense,
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of issues, but they also
Speaker 1: had no offensive coordinator. I mean, the thing couldn't have
Speaker 1: been any worse for a first time head coach in
Speaker 1: Tampa would love you to be dealing with that, and
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing melted. Dirk Cutter is like
Speaker 1: a good did a good job in Atlanta. I think
Speaker 1: he's a good fit for Winston, and they've got some
Speaker 1: receivers in there, so that's another advantage versus whoever who
Speaker 1: was calm plays last year? What was his name? Uh Arroyo?
Speaker 1: I liked. I would take Derk Cutter over Ken wizen Hunt.
Speaker 1: And what's going on in Tennessee West. Where do you
Speaker 1: come down on this? Did I write this? You did not?
Speaker 1: You did not say, I don't remember that. I think,
Speaker 1: like Greg said, Winston is definitely more NFL ready. That
Speaker 1: helps a lot. I might not have voted for Winston
Speaker 1: in this category if they hadn't picked up prom of
Speaker 1: seeing offensive line prospects in the second round, a pair
Speaker 1: of them, which they fan well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: have no idea if he's good, but they need they
Speaker 1: needed bodies that could block. I mean, they were terrible
Speaker 1: list year. So I think you're counting on two rookies
Speaker 1: to come in, so there could still be growing pains.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would surprise anybody if Winston leads
Speaker 1: the NFL and interceptions as a rookie. So like peytonn
Speaker 1: this surprises me, this answer because of the you know,
Speaker 1: ever growing West erection for the Titans emergence this year. Well,
Speaker 1: I think like you said that it's a longer climb,
Speaker 1: steeper climb for Mariotta. He has he's a spread quarterback
Speaker 1: and he's coming into the NFL, so I like his potential,
Speaker 1: But as a rookie, I would think that Winston has
Speaker 1: the edge there, um real quick. Greg was Kevin Patrol
Speaker 1: drug tested recently that he has Brett Hunley as his
Speaker 1: choice for the Yeah, he tried to be cute. Most
Speaker 1: successful rookie season. I guess what he was trying to
Speaker 1: say the other Patrick, You know, I know you used
Speaker 1: fists in a big spot, but you know how buddy,
Speaker 1: these guys will the other guys a fall flat on
Speaker 1: their face, whereas Honley will be learning at the feet
Speaker 1: of Rogers and McCarthy. That's nice. Maybe he gets in
Speaker 1: a game or two and looks good Patrick thinking outside
Speaker 1: the box. Okay, moving on to the running backs. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll start with Chris Wesley on this. You were involved
Speaker 1: with this. You chose Melvin Gordon of the San Diego
Speaker 1: Charge of Sun. Yeah, oh, I forgot that it took
Speaker 1: part in this, but yeah, oh yeah, you were a
Speaker 1: big time and part of it. Well, I think this
Speaker 1: goes back to a friend of mine whom I trust.
Speaker 1: His scattering point was Melvin Gordon would lead the entire
Speaker 1: league in rushing if he gets drafted by the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and he has a two thousand yards season in him
Speaker 1: at some point in his career. So I, like I said,
Speaker 1: I totally trust this guy. He's the first guy to
Speaker 1: turn me onto Chris Johnson when he was at East Carolina.
Speaker 1: So his his word is who is your source? We've
Speaker 1: talked about this, my boy brand spicer spice rack. Hey,
Speaker 1: you give me another spice off that rack. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a stud. Also, remember when I went to Vegas. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's the guy who hooked me up with the all
Speaker 1: day I like the nightclub, day club, free free drinks,
Speaker 1: good time, like I can this guy must be a
Speaker 1: genius And I can't imagine anyone else that West just
Speaker 1: takes information from spoon feet and just accepts it's well,
Speaker 1: he's proven to be right enough times, and the fact
Speaker 1: that I don't watch college football myself, so I have
Speaker 1: to trust someone else. Okay, alright, I like that. I
Speaker 1: went with Todd Gurley, who uh, who everyone says is
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest stud of this group and has is
Speaker 1: drawing Adrian Peterson comparisons, or at least is the best
Speaker 1: running back to come out of the draft, since Peterson
Speaker 1: now coming back from an a c L. I get
Speaker 1: that that could be lead to them taking the foot
Speaker 1: off the pedal a little bit in St. Louis, But
Speaker 1: I also know that Jeff Fisher likes his job, and
Speaker 1: I know that Jeff Fisher can't go six and six
Speaker 1: and ten again or seven and nine. I think Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley is not going to start the season on the publist.
Speaker 1: I think if he proves that he's healthy, he's playing,
Speaker 1: and I think he'll make an instant impact. And they're
Speaker 1: gonna definitely power that offense through the running game, I think,
Speaker 1: and try to win games with their defense and running game.
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley gonna be a monster this year. Gordon and
Speaker 1: Gurley are both good picks. I mean, Gordon definitely has
Speaker 1: less competition Trey Mason. You know, we were going to
Speaker 1: do a re ranking of the running back so I
Speaker 1: might still do that if I have some time this offseason.
Speaker 1: I think Trey Mason would have been my top running
Speaker 1: back from last year other than Jeremy Hill, the number two.
Speaker 1: He would have been my number two rookie. And he
Speaker 1: looked terrific. So you like him more than yes, from
Speaker 1: what we saw I would say on last season, But
Speaker 1: clearly the Rams don't see him as a guy that's
Speaker 1: going to carry the offense. Speaking of outside the box thinkers,
Speaker 1: I'm looking over at Mark Sessler and he said, you
Speaker 1: take your first round running backs, you can take your
Speaker 1: second round running guys. You stick him right up your butt.
Speaker 1: Because I like Kevin Coleman in Atlanta making an instant impact. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, when you do these things, you gotta up
Speaker 1: two people. Took Gordon and Gurley gotta go somewhere else
Speaker 1: because you know true, but because it's boring to everyone
Speaker 1: pick the same person. I went cole because I like
Speaker 1: the idea of a rookie running back on a Falcons
Speaker 1: team that with DeVonta Freeman does not have a featured back.
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that can come in as
Speaker 1: a change of pace guy Kyle Shanahan. He is in
Speaker 1: the past shown a lot of confidence with rookie runners
Speaker 1: and Houston. Well, well, why why shouldn't it? This is
Speaker 1: excellent analysis by Mark Sessley. Mark, you're doing great. Haven't
Speaker 1: you started it yet? He had Steve Slayton in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, Alfred Morris two thousand twelve, Slayton was
Speaker 1: a third rounder. Alfred Morris was a six rounder last year.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm leaving. I'm gonna just take the
Speaker 1: headphones off. I got a hundred better things, right, I
Speaker 1: mean West and crow L twelve yards last year. So
Speaker 1: how about you take your girl in your Gordon go
Speaker 1: to town with that. I'm gonna win this thing, the fair.
Speaker 1: It's a strong argument that, oh thanks, Greg's Shanah Hannah Shanahan. Uh,
Speaker 1: somehow propped up Steve Slayton. I wouldn't get I remember
Speaker 1: Steve Slayton one year, the year after there was a
Speaker 1: Fantasy darling. He was a top five fantasy running back pick,
Speaker 1: or top ten at least top ten. Didn't happen in
Speaker 1: year two. That was fifty five percent analysis aggression there, Mark,
Speaker 1: and I liked it. He was getting tackled. I would have,
Speaker 1: you know, unfurled it completely in peace. But I'm getting
Speaker 1: I got it coming out for three different people. You know,
Speaker 1: during it, I was defending three. You're the third right there.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the wide receivers. Great work, mark,
Speaker 1: way to defend your time on society. Uh. And we'll
Speaker 1: start this one with Greg Rosenthal who says, listen to
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper, that guy is a stud and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: roll with him. Well, I'm glad I get to jump
Speaker 1: into this one. You didn't even call him t J.
Speaker 1: Yeldon in the running back sea, Hey, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: J Yeldon's gonna lead running backs and Amari Cooper for
Speaker 1: a second. The spice rack told me he was three
Speaker 1: years ago, this t J. Yelding guys the best back
Speaker 1: Alabama's ever had. So I asked him again about Yelleding
Speaker 1: right before the draft, and he said I was off
Speaker 1: at him about a year and a half ago. He
Speaker 1: lost his all his Uhtley, don't you wish you had
Speaker 1: the spice racket when you're in the kitchen putting together
Speaker 1: the soup of rookies. You can have your spice Rack.
Speaker 1: I've got Gus Bradley pounding the table to draft this guy.
Speaker 1: Of the table he did. If you read that Mike
Speaker 1: Silver article, he was standing on tables. He's dancing around.
Speaker 1: I need a big back to give the ball twenty
Speaker 1: five times a game too. At DJ Yell, Well, that's
Speaker 1: what we heard last year about someone, isn't it all?
Speaker 1: I'd say, I love Gus Bradley, but he loves every
Speaker 1: player that ever played football. It's fair. So spice Rack
Speaker 1: has seems to have a little bit of you know
Speaker 1: he gets he's talking about. Well, they proved it with
Speaker 1: where they drafted him thirty six overall, where a lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't think he was gonna go. Not a
Speaker 1: flashy guy, kind of a four or five yard at
Speaker 1: a pop type of guy. I like those guys. Greg.
Speaker 1: The wide receiver class, you had a Marii Cooper and
Speaker 1: Jarvis Greenell is Greig's favorite running back. I picked Cooper
Speaker 1: just because I thought he'd get them targets, and everyone
Speaker 1: else had picked Kevin White, So you know, I'm guilty
Speaker 1: of that a little bit. But he just seems like
Speaker 1: the guy everyone said he had the most sophisticated understanding
Speaker 1: of defense is kind of the NFL mind, the NFL routes,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get a hundred thirty targets, so he
Speaker 1: seems like a safe bet for a that Just so
Speaker 1: you know, the four of us in this room, we
Speaker 1: all picked different wide receivers. Really well, I went with
Speaker 1: Nelson Agilar from Philly, who's gonna step in into and
Speaker 1: produce immediately in Jeremy Macklin's old role. You know, chip
Speaker 1: Kelly has an eye for talent when it comes to
Speaker 1: wide receivers and really any skill player, so I would
Speaker 1: assume he has a good chance to be a guy
Speaker 1: that goes over a thousand yards and comes close to
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. West, you went with how about that? West?
Speaker 1: Dan given chip Kelly some love? Listen, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not like a hada. Okay, there's there's a new parody
Speaker 1: around the NFL account on Twitter. Yeah, the latest one
Speaker 1: is a t N Hot Takes and the guy accused
Speaker 1: you of having a playground love for chip Kelly, like
Speaker 1: you always pushed or throw rocks at the girl you like.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe accurate Wes. You you chose Kevin White as
Speaker 1: your guy, and that seems like a pretty safe pick. Well,
Speaker 1: I find I fell under his spell at the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was that that charisma just reeled me in.
Speaker 1: I'll believe anything involving Kevin White now, And I felt
Speaker 1: better about it after Dan Pompey, a long time Bears writer,
Speaker 1: tweet a series of tweets saying just how dominant Kevin
Speaker 1: White wasn't a rookie mini kid, which I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. If you're the point of the off season,
Speaker 1: you're the seventh overall pick, shouldn't you be dominating undrafted rookies? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did, like though they said at West Virginia he
Speaker 1: was just on one side of the field and already
Speaker 1: in the mini camp. They're moving him inside, they're moving
Speaker 1: him outside. He's a smart, going all over the place,
Speaker 1: smart fellow. He seems like he'd be a more versatile
Speaker 1: guy maybe than Alson Jeffrey. Jeffrey's gonna be agree with
Speaker 1: term Mark you went with. You went with Brashad Perriman
Speaker 1: in Baltimore as your pick for the big breakout rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have any Dan Pompey tweets to to this,
Speaker 1: but uh, listen, I also could be dead wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I don't even remember writing this, but
Speaker 1: it seems solid to me in the sense that you've
Speaker 1: got Steve Smith, and then what else do you got?
Speaker 1: You got Marlon Brown, Michael Companero and alder Grobins. He's
Speaker 1: gonna play, He's gonna play out of the gate. It's
Speaker 1: Mark Trustman's offense. I like we've seen before that Mark
Speaker 1: Trustman can unleash two receivers in one season for big yardage. Now,
Speaker 1: the one thing about this guy they talked, They said
Speaker 1: he has some drops issues, so he's got to get
Speaker 1: that's an issue. Are you Are you at all concerned
Speaker 1: about Paraman big time receding hairline, and yet he wears
Speaker 1: his hair in braids. He's going he's doing well, terrible
Speaker 1: luck and that kind of judgment coming into the league.
Speaker 1: He looks like you. You he raised an excellent point,
Speaker 1: But a lot of times rookies after that first rookie season,
Speaker 1: you see them get better haircuts, they start to get
Speaker 1: that act together. So let's give him a little bit
Speaker 1: of time. That's true. Think you've overlooked the obvious here
Speaker 1: that he's going with the boxer rebellion style of hair
Speaker 1: from the turn of the century China. Yes, the obvious.
Speaker 1: Everyone was thinking that he would have jumped in with
Speaker 1: that same point. As Ted has fallen asleep. He can't
Speaker 1: believe what's happening here. He's definitely doing the move where
Speaker 1: you haven't quite accepted it that it's going up top,
Speaker 1: so you go with the braids. He's probably taking some
Speaker 1: heat from friends, and two years from now he'll have
Speaker 1: the m J and everything will be cool. I think
Speaker 1: so too. I mean, he's gonna listen to this podcast
Speaker 1: and be shocked into life about his style in choices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he'll look at our pictures and be like,
Speaker 1: who the are you saying about anyone? Uh? Do we
Speaker 1: cover all the wide receivers. I don't want to leave
Speaker 1: anyone out. We can call Kevin patrov it now that's
Speaker 1: I think that's Kevin White too. Um, alright, coming, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bypass the defensive players because we gotta keep moving.
Speaker 1: But you don't don't matter of the year, was Dante
Speaker 1: Fowler M I have a feeling that's not gonna well,
Speaker 1: good luck to you with that. The projected starters a series,
Speaker 1: you know, one of, one of, one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: Every year every springtime we guess the start and read it,
Speaker 1: and uh, this time, we're gonna start with the A
Speaker 1: f C East. And you know, Greg, you you you
Speaker 1: handled this task. You wrote the A f C East.
Speaker 1: We're all taking different divisions, and I guess the one
Speaker 1: thing that jumps out. We look at the Patriots side
Speaker 1: off the bat and you look at the starting lineup
Speaker 1: for Week one, and you got Jimmy g a quarterback,
Speaker 1: which is just bizarre. It's like a look into your future.
Speaker 1: And then remember this guy, my name is Jonas Gray,
Speaker 1: as the starting running back in Week one. I had
Speaker 1: to pick someone, and le Garrett Blunt is not a
Speaker 1: very good starting running back either. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a guy that that was best to use how the
Speaker 1: Patriots have, which is is as a mid season replacement
Speaker 1: or a third guy that will start for four or
Speaker 1: five games at a time. This is the worst running
Speaker 1: back group. I wanted to say, since Antoine Smith was
Speaker 1: their starter when they won the Super but actually I
Speaker 1: went back and looked before I made this statement. There
Speaker 1: was a season two thousand nine where they had Sammy
Speaker 1: Morris as their leading rusher. Mont Jordan's was in the mix.
Speaker 1: Danny Wood had early in his career was also there.
Speaker 1: So that was a pretty ugly group. But this is
Speaker 1: the ugly. I mean, this is a terrible running back group.
Speaker 1: So Jimmy g is not gonna be able to count
Speaker 1: on this running game. I don't think to help him
Speaker 1: out early in this season. And you can't really count
Speaker 1: on the secondary right now either. They got some problems.
Speaker 1: Gregg's sounding just a tad nervous. Yeah, where are you
Speaker 1: at at the peace scale? A lot of people are
Speaker 1: asking me to check in with you on that one
Speaker 1: one being I got to watch I got to watch
Speaker 1: them win the super Bowl in person, their fourth super
Speaker 1: Bowl on the last play of the game of miraculous interest,
Speaker 1: deflating Gregg deflating the front of the podcast. No longer
Speaker 1: wasn't part in the pr pants scale. PS in your
Speaker 1: pants is the question? It's one right now. It's the
Speaker 1: middle of April, they or May. I don't even know
Speaker 1: a month it is. And West wrote about this, But
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a Patriots fan and you're not
Speaker 1: a guy that's plugged in on every minute, you're at work,
Speaker 1: you maybe check the transit suddenly, like every time you
Speaker 1: look check in there they're dumping a veteran cornerback left
Speaker 1: and right. What's going on with Kyle Arrington released with
Speaker 1: surprising Uh? You know, I wrote the post on it
Speaker 1: yesterday and I look back. T Y Hilton, who we
Speaker 1: all agree is one of the best young wide receivers
Speaker 1: in the league, completely shut down in two games. That's
Speaker 1: what a lot of people think is the Patriots number one. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, threat and rival, So you get rid of
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm not saying they can't find somebody to
Speaker 1: coach him up to take the same role, but Aaricston
Speaker 1: has been a good slot slot defender for them. That
Speaker 1: perplexed me. And he was benched snaps last year and
Speaker 1: he was due to count way over four million against
Speaker 1: the salary cap, right, so that makes sense. But just
Speaker 1: the fact that he had been so effective against Hilton
Speaker 1: really matched him up one on the whole first game,
Speaker 1: and I have fifteen other games they have to well,
Speaker 1: do you have played forty though? When you lose Darrell
Speaker 1: Revus and a bunch of others. He's had some He's
Speaker 1: he's had some success against other high end slot receivers.
Speaker 1: He can play the benched in the Super Bowl. The
Speaker 1: thing that so did Logan Ryan, who was now their
Speaker 1: number one corner. I guess I think they really do
Speaker 1: love Malcolm Butler. I think he's going to be I
Speaker 1: think they like Bradley Fletcher they signed, they signed Robert McClain.
Speaker 1: But they have had to win games despite a poor
Speaker 1: secondary for most of the last ten years, and now
Speaker 1: they're going to have to do it again. But I
Speaker 1: think the thing with Revis that was so nice, they
Speaker 1: got to be creative with all this talent they have
Speaker 1: up front. I don't know if they're going to be
Speaker 1: able to do that anymore with these guys that did
Speaker 1: you bench to put Nankovic in there, I just put
Speaker 1: one defensive tackle, which was Malcolm Brown, So basically I
Speaker 1: had branch and so you switched them from a four
Speaker 1: three to three. Well, I made him a three three three,
Speaker 1: three four or four yeah, whatever, Just get their best
Speaker 1: players into the Yeah. I just like when Jerrymander the
Speaker 1: process we moved to the Buffalo Bills where and now
Speaker 1: you look at this. Now, let's let's try to ignore
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Matt Castle not doesn't not too sexy. But
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy Samy Watkins, Percy Harvin, Robert Woods, Charles Clay.
Speaker 1: Those are some nice starters they get in. We've talked
Speaker 1: about this, and even decent play from Mattie Boy Castle. Uh,
Speaker 1: they can win some games with that offense or put
Speaker 1: up some points at least. Very good left tackle too,
Speaker 1: and Corty Glenn and you know they brought in Richie incognito.
Speaker 1: That's not a great thing, but I think that Castle
Speaker 1: is a pretty safe bet for the starting was the
Speaker 1: one thing that jumps out to me is that you
Speaker 1: have matt Castle over Tyrod Taylor. Oh my gosh. Well,
Speaker 1: they seem to want they're gonna use Taylor in some way.
Speaker 1: I think, I really do think Tyrod Taylor is gonna start.
Speaker 1: I think Manuel has a better chance than Taylor just
Speaker 1: because he's a first round pick, and I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: there's a check absolutely loves Tyrod Taylor. Well I want
Speaker 1: to see where he's down there too. And Kyle Wilson,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean they're going to be good. And
Speaker 1: John Harbought like he doesn't go out and talk ill
Speaker 1: of his plays, but he actually on separate occasions more
Speaker 1: than once said that Tyrod Taylor was never lived up
Speaker 1: to the promise and never worked hard enough. So we'll
Speaker 1: see where Rex is with him. By well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think you should compare John Harborholl's comments about
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor too, Rex Ryan's comments about Tyrod Taylor. That's
Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan spending no time with Tyrod Taylor. Let's
Speaker 1: just I want to see where they are come August
Speaker 1: topped about him. They had the fewest holes in the division.
Speaker 1: I think probably have one of the best starting lineups
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball of any team, and
Speaker 1: only what they don't have is basically a third linebacker.
Speaker 1: But if that's the biggest problem that you can come
Speaker 1: up with, then that's that's pretty good. Uh. Moving on
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins, I'm gonna start greg with the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, where you have a great defensive
Speaker 1: line Cameron Wake, of course, Dominican, Sue Earl, Mitchell, Olivier, Vernon.
Speaker 1: But then it starts to thin out a little bit
Speaker 1: in terms of a starting where be worried about, uh,
Speaker 1: the defense maybe not being as good as people think
Speaker 1: it can be, just because they don't have enough big
Speaker 1: time players outside that line, they had Tim Gay bean holes,
Speaker 1: which I had really didn't thought about before I looked
Speaker 1: at co Co Amici. He's okay at inside linebacker, and
Speaker 1: you have Jollanni Jenkins outside. After that, your battle for
Speaker 1: your next linebacker spot is Spencer Passenger, who's been a
Speaker 1: special teamer and uh now I'm forgetting the name that
Speaker 1: uh hammer and Hank was really pumping him up as
Speaker 1: as a possible possible pick. Doesn't matter who was, I'll
Speaker 1: think of it. Face. Uh, Chris McCain. These guys who
Speaker 1: he had forty six snaps last year exactly, so you
Speaker 1: have got no one's You don't have a third linebacker spot.
Speaker 1: And then, more importantly, at cornerback after Brent Gimes, you've
Speaker 1: got nothing. You have two guys he drafted in two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, Will Davis and Jamar Taylor who have been
Speaker 1: poor or injured since they've been in the league. That
Speaker 1: that's an ugly looking line cornerback group. Why is Jervis
Speaker 1: Landry the number one receive I just decided I think
Speaker 1: he's the number one receiver on that team. Probably right,
Speaker 1: they never leaves the slot, they don't, don't. I think
Speaker 1: they will have him moving around. Uh, Sandwich, Carl Sandwich
Speaker 1: on that one. I think he'll end up leaving leading
Speaker 1: the team in snaps. And that's basically how I took it.
Speaker 1: The guy doesn't leave the slot unless he's lining up
Speaker 1: in the backfield and they're doing trick plays. Moving on
Speaker 1: to the Jets, Greg, you have Geno Smith winning the
Speaker 1: starting job. Uh. You have Letter Williams of the number
Speaker 1: six overall pick. When you have at least the starters,
Speaker 1: he's not uh, starting with Mohammed Wilkerson, Damon Harrison, and
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richards in there. That goes back to Todd Bowls
Speaker 1: likes to run a three four. But my question is,
Speaker 1: is Bowls gonna change his style or some things he's
Speaker 1: comfortable with too to be able to get all these
Speaker 1: guys on the field at the same time more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would, you would, hope. So I'm sure he will.
Speaker 1: And Williams wants to play on the outside, but he
Speaker 1: might be playing more inside. And the Jets have a
Speaker 1: similar problem to what they've had before. They have this
Speaker 1: same old, boring outside linebacker group of Pace and Coples
Speaker 1: and Jason Babin. So you're gonna have to get your
Speaker 1: pastors from the big guys. I think that what Bulls
Speaker 1: did last year with the Cardinals is instructive. He was
Speaker 1: running a three or four defense, But whenever they play
Speaker 1: a great running back like a DeMarco Murray, they would
Speaker 1: play mostly four three that game. And I think that
Speaker 1: goes into Leonard Williams election to at this point three
Speaker 1: four four three most It doesn't really matter. But they
Speaker 1: were the only team not a single rookie I had
Speaker 1: as a starter, because I had Devin Smith as more
Speaker 1: of a number four, just go deep type of guy,
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Curley hold on to that third third receiver role.
Speaker 1: Some decent names, you know, I didn't make this look.
Speaker 1: Greg Jennings, for instance, didn't make it for the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I didn't have him as one of the top three.
Speaker 1: I decided to benchually otis Mcalvin coming off an ankle
Speaker 1: to do? Why not some tough decisions by Greg Rose
Speaker 1: Greg playing god with the a f C's all right,
Speaker 1: So that's it. We're gonna continue to run through all
Speaker 1: the divisions and might even talk about some of them
Speaker 1: on this very podcast. Uh that's a TD behind the glass.
Speaker 1: You you sent me and I am during the show
Speaker 1: that you had some type of scorecard that you're working out.
Speaker 1: Is this is this going to lead to more contentious
Speaker 1: behavior between you and the rest of us? Be carefully, really,
Speaker 1: I'm just was keeping you guys on your toes. You know,
Speaker 1: like a game, whether you win or you lose, it's
Speaker 1: like a performance. How did you How did you guys
Speaker 1: do individually? You know, it's a good show. How do
Speaker 1: you guys do individually? I figured, you know, and then
Speaker 1: each sharks sort of give a little hot takee eat, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how you guys if it's if it's see, we'll see,
Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm chopping. Um, so yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: run through all four, but I was like, now I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna give the winner shout out as opposed to
Speaker 1: going from four through one, because now you should say
Speaker 1: who came in. I don't want to don't arbitrary rankings.
Speaker 1: I don't want Mark to get mad at me, That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Oh no, um, that's real quickly. Not
Speaker 1: on his body language, though you always seem like you
Speaker 1: were tilted to the side, like you're ready to leave.
Speaker 1: Kind of shady. I don't know, but that might be
Speaker 1: accurate real quick. But the winner of today's show. The
Speaker 1: best performance, I should say is my main man West.
Speaker 1: It was very revere link today Today's show spoke about
Speaker 1: his heat exhaustion, which is, you know, you really deep sources.
Speaker 1: You know, he's the only one of you guys that
Speaker 1: had sources a spice rack, I mean with a name,
Speaker 1: and then uh is a bartender in Las Vegas and
Speaker 1: you still got a source. You're a ridiculous person. And
Speaker 1: he bought a content that could be he brought up
Speaker 1: something that could be potentially a new content. He brought
Speaker 1: up that he might becoming a Jack Wars fan. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's new content, you know, for what where?
Speaker 1: Maybe if he comes to Jacks fan. You know, that's
Speaker 1: something we can do well holding on. That's good. Thank you, TD,
Speaker 1: And I might not add whoever your hamber dasher is
Speaker 1: has done an excellent job for you. Thank you right here.
Speaker 1: I like this segment though, Are you gravitating thank you
Speaker 1: your self? Are you? Are you gravitating towards West? Because
Speaker 1: your boy DJ just took off for a month after
Speaker 1: the Draft stand. You have another shot of the make show.
Speaker 1: By the way, show all this, But you know, I
Speaker 1: think DJ does a great job. But you see us
Speaker 1: taking a month off after the draft, and where's the
Speaker 1: coaches show? Billick is on some island somewhere far away
Speaker 1: from the ball and Chaine. He's throwing a great beard.
Speaker 1: I saw him yesterday. Well, this might be why TD
Speaker 1: loves these shows, because if it weren't for us, he
Speaker 1: would be home himself. Right now, TD, move the sticks,
Speaker 1: more like, move that podcast off your phone. It's not
Speaker 1: even gonna be around for a while. I mean, oh, man, hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: t D. I didn't think you could do worse after
Speaker 1: your Jimmy caaroppolo spelling thing from yesterday out and you
Speaker 1: manage it. It's true, t remember like a group of
Speaker 1: old people. Yeah, exactly. We will. We will be back
Speaker 1: on Thursday with the return of the great Lindsay Rhodes.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do all NFL news. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the NFL Network Top one hundred, which
Speaker 1: Lindsay hosts quite spearheads. Spearheads even quite well. And so
Speaker 1: Lindsay will sit in with the whole group, the five
Speaker 1: of us, because t D, you know, when he's not
Speaker 1: making a name list, is getting headsets. Fifth headset. It
Speaker 1: was a long process, but it's here. It's here. Five
Speaker 1: mics like the source, maybe very good, so we'll have that.
Speaker 1: So thank you as always for listening. Uh this Dan
Speaker 1: Hansas signing off for a quiet storm, the Mailman, the
Speaker 1: Boss and t D behind the glass until Thursday