Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast never gets at Chris Wesley
Speaker 1: references Welcome back to another edition of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas, and I'm joined
Speaker 1: by room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Christopher Westling and
Speaker 1: Greg ros And thought, what's up boys, slap in the
Speaker 1: face to a guy that's just come back. You take
Speaker 1: a shot at him right out of the right out
Speaker 1: of the gate. Well, yes, I listen, that was That
Speaker 1: wasn't me. I had nothing to do with that. That
Speaker 1: was behind the glass. Zack Goldman rolling in a little
Speaker 1: late tonight. Let's talk about it was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a flurry of traffic. Um. But Zack's here. He
Speaker 1: throws up a Chris Westling sound dropping. Why not, because
Speaker 1: Chris Westling's back from Tybee Island. Welcome back, Mr Westling,
Speaker 1: to be here. We as we when we talked to you,
Speaker 1: when we finally got you on the horn there at
Speaker 1: Hucka Poos, you said you were looking forward to returning.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think in the back of all
Speaker 1: of our minds, like, well, but will he actually return?
Speaker 1: But here you are in the flesh. I believe what
Speaker 1: I actually said was I'm not coming back. You did
Speaker 1: say that at one point, you did say that, but
Speaker 1: you've missed us ultimately, I did. I missed you guys,
Speaker 1: And uh you noticed Welcome about Cotter one of your
Speaker 1: shows from the seventies. I dropped the song as as
Speaker 1: modern as most of Chris's references. That was by design.
Speaker 1: I wasn't alive when this show. Well, I might have
Speaker 1: been a lot, but I didn't see it in first running.
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, so a successful trip home exceeded all expectations.
Speaker 1: I had a I had a blast. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've laughed so much in my whole life. We also
Speaker 1: have that post tybee Chris Westling voice right now where
Speaker 1: this is much better than it was through a little throaty.
Speaker 1: It's not you're not gonna be hitting the high notes
Speaker 1: put it that way, but you're getting by with it
Speaker 1: right now. I'm getting by. My theory for how this
Speaker 1: voice comes to be is there's a lot of yelling
Speaker 1: at loud bars. Is that a fair theory? Like you're
Speaker 1: missing one key element? But possibly I think I've found
Speaker 1: in my nights and nights out with West and there
Speaker 1: have been quite a few at this point. Chris is
Speaker 1: a natural voice raisor when the when the imbibing begins.
Speaker 1: So I think it doesn't need you need to be
Speaker 1: a lot bar just multiple nights out. Well, I think
Speaker 1: you're closer to the truth there. I come from a
Speaker 1: big family and sometimes in order to get a word
Speaker 1: in edgewise, you have to be louder than the other people,
Speaker 1: and that comes out after a couple of beverages. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a big family on Type I
Speaker 1: know we're all trying to get jokes in. You know.
Speaker 1: I know Chris that you mentioned that you spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time on TYPEE in area soup kitchens, helping
Speaker 1: out with some of the inhabitants that that don't have
Speaker 1: what other people have to tell us about that that's
Speaker 1: just patently false. Uh So, yes, Chris Westling's back. It's
Speaker 1: the four of us together, which has not been a
Speaker 1: common occurrence since the Super Bowl. So it's good to
Speaker 1: be here as we get closer and closer to the draft.
Speaker 1: We have a nice show. We got two shows this
Speaker 1: week and and those that works back in the show
Speaker 1: on Monday. Listen. Greg and I were in the office
Speaker 1: yesterday and Mark was on his off day and west
Speaker 1: was traveling away. Why don't we just push it today.
Speaker 1: We'll get everybody back to get the band back together.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about Delaware, but if you do
Speaker 1: have Delaware tapes again, we're gonna put out a call
Speaker 1: at around the NFL. If you have any footage of
Speaker 1: Delaware the band Greg's uh goth band from the late nineties,
Speaker 1: please send it our way, goth Emo. Uh, we will
Speaker 1: give you a generous Uh. You're a proto Emo. All right,
Speaker 1: it's a nice show today, nice show today, the Welcome
Speaker 1: Back West show. Uh, we are going to uh get
Speaker 1: into We're gonna bring back What's more Likely one of
Speaker 1: our favorite games and you know, kind of a pre
Speaker 1: draft edition go through. There's a lot of different things
Speaker 1: cooking right now. As uh Mark, I know you as
Speaker 1: a draft Nick you're plugged in especially, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot cooking behind this. This is when the homework, you know,
Speaker 1: every re night you go homie just grinding through that
Speaker 1: Central Illinois tape looking for that gem. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I call you grind this time of season. That's how
Speaker 1: it is. When you go home, your work day begins.
Speaker 1: So we'll play some What's more Likely Draft edition? Uh,
Speaker 1: and we will also hit the news, which we have
Speaker 1: a nice bit of news to get to. Not it's
Speaker 1: not a ton happening right now, but when we're gone
Speaker 1: for a few days, it piles up and we need
Speaker 1: to we need to address it all. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: hit that also. I just want to put it on
Speaker 1: the grid. Uh. We we've talked about and it's good
Speaker 1: that West is here. We've talked about the Dalton Scale
Speaker 1: before um at some point and maybe as soon as
Speaker 1: next week, maybe down the line a little bit. I
Speaker 1: just want to let everyone know that we're going to
Speaker 1: do our first podcast that is entirely built around the
Speaker 1: Dalton Scale, breaking down where everyone fits in and the
Speaker 1: quarterback solar system, and we're hoping by the end of
Speaker 1: the show that Dan will understand what is well that
Speaker 1: is the to me, that's like the bigger picture or
Speaker 1: and there will be the reveal whether I get it
Speaker 1: by that point right now, completely in the woods. That's
Speaker 1: really the main reason for this exercise. But gold standard
Speaker 1: speeding into the office today through l A traffic. It's
Speaker 1: a real female dog, right buddy. I wouldn't say I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say speeding delicately gliding traffic. I picture Zach, who's
Speaker 1: usually like a picture of tranquility, millennial tranquility, steering wheel,
Speaker 1: anything but a lot of four letter words like drat
Speaker 1: and dang. It wasn't got to drop that trat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes they use parlance of your favorite sport. You get
Speaker 1: a bicycle kick right to the head to you this morning. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do some news, buddy. Let's do it,
Speaker 1: and we forgive you, by the way, thank you, because
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of time left with us either,
Speaker 1: just a few weeks. Yeah, I'm saving every moment. You're
Speaker 1: savoring every moment by you know, coming in late moment.
Speaker 1: But maybe that was more a tease to let us
Speaker 1: know that, you know, don't you know, don't get around.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be around. I can't take another Zach Goldman disappearance.
Speaker 1: But that's where we're facing. Anyway. Let's do some news.
Speaker 1: We'll start with uh really the one of the bigger
Speaker 1: news stories of the offseason since uh, since we weren't
Speaker 1: here on Friday when it brookes, So we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it now. Troy Paul Mallow, the great Pittsburgh Steelers safety,
Speaker 1: played twelve seasons UH in Pittsburgh was you know, one
Speaker 1: of the really defining players of his generation has decided
Speaker 1: to retire. He said in a phone interview with a
Speaker 1: local paper in Pennsylvania that he is retiring from the NFL.
Speaker 1: He did not seriously consider playing elsewhere. He of course,
Speaker 1: it was out there that he might end up getting
Speaker 1: cut by the Steelers, which would have been awkward. His
Speaker 1: play has declined in recent years, but he decides, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna end my career now. Eight time Pro Bowls, certainly
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Greg, where does he stack up
Speaker 1: when you talk about the all time safeties in the NFL? Well,
Speaker 1: Chris probably has a good answer for this too. But
Speaker 1: Football Perspective wrote an interesting article, or actually I believe
Speaker 1: it was what is it dot Com? Looking at Paula
Speaker 1: Malo's career that he was on track to be right
Speaker 1: there with the greatest safeties of all time who they
Speaker 1: believe uh is Paul Krauss and who was the other
Speaker 1: safety you would put at the top of year list?
Speaker 1: And but they basically said, and I agree with this,
Speaker 1: that the end of Paul Malla's career kind of takes
Speaker 1: him out of that discussion because he really didn't do
Speaker 1: anything the last three or four years of his career.
Speaker 1: But I was really surprised on Twitter and just conversation
Speaker 1: that anyone was questioning whether he was a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer at at all, and people, some of the voters,
Speaker 1: the some of the voters were on Twitter and well,
Speaker 1: you can't just put everyone right into the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame's that's that's positional bias by people that think only
Speaker 1: running backs and quarterbacks should go in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was a cut above every one
Speaker 1: in his generation, maybe save Edwy, but I think two
Speaker 1: of them are are definite Hall of Famers. Well if well,
Speaker 1: if Paula Malu for whatever, wants to make an argument
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get in the Hall of Fame, good
Speaker 1: luck to any safety outside of one every thirty years
Speaker 1: making the Hall of Famers point, What more do you
Speaker 1: need to do? I think it's a knee jerk reaction
Speaker 1: by some of the voters that everyone's always just saying, oh,
Speaker 1: hall of Famer, this, Hall of Famer that, and they're
Speaker 1: they're saying, well, it's not that easy. But if you
Speaker 1: just look at his number, if you look at what
Speaker 1: he did in terms of being at the top of
Speaker 1: the game. First of all, Ricky Jackson's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: Tim Brown's a Hall of Famer. Those guys weren't one
Speaker 1: of the top three players at their position that often.
Speaker 1: And Troy Paula Malo was one of the top three
Speaker 1: defenders in the league three or four different times. He
Speaker 1: got multiple votes for Defensive Player of the Year. So
Speaker 1: that's not just the best at his position. For three
Speaker 1: or four years of his career. He was one of
Speaker 1: the top defensive players period. He could do things physically
Speaker 1: that very few other players that his position or any
Speaker 1: position could do. You mark you obviously Brown's end. You
Speaker 1: have a memory of paul Malu with the Browns that
Speaker 1: you've maybe tried to block up, and now it can
Speaker 1: come back if you're if you're anyone in that division,
Speaker 1: you're the Bengals and Browns. You deal with Ed Reid
Speaker 1: and Paula Malu four games a season. It wasn't any
Speaker 1: one thing. It was a consistent trauma they brought in
Speaker 1: every single game. I mean, when he retired, I was
Speaker 1: kidding because I was kidding because I think the one
Speaker 1: thing about him too well, the one the one exactly
Speaker 1: you want him out of the division because that defense.
Speaker 1: You can say his play has fallen off, but there
Speaker 1: you're not going to replace him in Pittsburgh for decades.
Speaker 1: You're not. He ended up homeless, which I found to
Speaker 1: be the total fabrications and lies. At this point, I
Speaker 1: picture when I pictured him playing like a lion on
Speaker 1: the Serengetti, the main flying, He's actually jumping through the
Speaker 1: air all the time, pouncing on people. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's like I like any time you can get the
Speaker 1: Serengetti involved. Damna check Ro a really good article about
Speaker 1: Paula Mallock retiring where he talked about how unique a
Speaker 1: player he was. And I think that's what I'll remember
Speaker 1: about Paula mallow that there was no one quite like him.
Speaker 1: And sometimes people call it instincts or you know, freestyling
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to do. Sometimes Paulo Malo was
Speaker 1: doing things on the field that his coaches really didn't
Speaker 1: want him to do, but it just worked out, and
Speaker 1: maybe he couldn't even explain it after the fact. He
Speaker 1: just had sort of that crazy instinct to know what
Speaker 1: to do. Like George Costanza driving a car. I'm doing
Speaker 1: things here you don't even know, all right, and other
Speaker 1: secondary news with the Steelers. This is uh good. It's
Speaker 1: gonna look different in the in the secondary of the
Speaker 1: Steelers in two thousand fifteen, like Taylor has decided to
Speaker 1: retire after twelve seasons now thirty four and uh, you
Speaker 1: know West, I'll throw it to you on this to start.
Speaker 1: I feel like I Taylor and in recent years has
Speaker 1: almost become one of the benchmarks of the cornerback you
Speaker 1: want your fantasy wide receiver to be watched up, matched
Speaker 1: up against. He was a guy that was a liability
Speaker 1: for them. But to last twelve years in the NFL,
Speaker 1: there was a time when Ike Taylor was a big
Speaker 1: time player, right well, I think for a few years
Speaker 1: there he was one of three or four cornerbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL who were shadow corners, and you would put
Speaker 1: Ike Taylor on your number one guy, and he wasn't
Speaker 1: Durrell Reevas, but he would. He frustrated A. J. Green regularly.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of his troubles the last
Speaker 1: couple of years where because he's obviously lost several steps
Speaker 1: and the Steelers still wanted to keep him with no
Speaker 1: safety help over the top, so and naturally just getting old.
Speaker 1: But he was. He was just below Pro Bowl for
Speaker 1: a long time. He's he signalized for me a little
Speaker 1: bit just in recent years. I agree with everything else,
Speaker 1: but Pittsburgh has had a need at cornerback for a while,
Speaker 1: and they tend to take their players and let them
Speaker 1: get very old for them and just not change it.
Speaker 1: They should have two years ago he was getting utterly flamed.
Speaker 1: It was time to move on. It's a good time
Speaker 1: to go. This retirement right on the heels of Paulo
Speaker 1: Malo really ends that two thousand and five Steelers team. Now,
Speaker 1: they won two Super Bowls within what four seasons, and
Speaker 1: then they made another Super Bowl just a couple of
Speaker 1: seasons later. So that was the kind of the second wave.
Speaker 1: It's it wasn't quite a dynasty, but it was a
Speaker 1: nice run they had. And I'm trying to think is
Speaker 1: there and there's no one left from that two thousand
Speaker 1: five team other than Roethlisberger that I can think of.
Speaker 1: I think Keisel's retiring too. And if you I mean,
Speaker 1: just look at Paul because Harrison was not on that team,
Speaker 1: or if he was, was briefly. So those guys you'll remember,
Speaker 1: Larry Foote, I'll remember that team, Larry Foote, James Ferrier,
Speaker 1: um Ike Taylor, Paulo Malo. It's okay that that little group,
Speaker 1: Casey Hammon, they're They're gone. It's over well. And this
Speaker 1: is one of the things I meant to say when
Speaker 1: we were talking about Paulo Malo. Look at it's got
Speaker 1: to be so much of a credit to him and
Speaker 1: Taylor as well. How many years in that whole era,
Speaker 1: for a decade straight they were number one overall on
Speaker 1: defense more than five Right Research did a stat Paulo
Speaker 1: Malo since the day they draft him, they are the
Speaker 1: number one defense in the league in terms of just
Speaker 1: yards allowed since that moment. There's also a staff they
Speaker 1: said today they had three big retirements this offseason. Also,
Speaker 1: Jason World's a little different type of retirement. There hasn't
Speaker 1: been a game since two thousand two where Ike Taylor,
Speaker 1: Paula Malu or Worlds haven't been on the field where
Speaker 1: one of those players haven't been on the field. So
Speaker 1: it's a totally different group. And now Lebo is gone.
Speaker 1: It's just forget him, alright. So we'll do a little
Speaker 1: more Steelers news and and I'll listen. No other way
Speaker 1: to say it dropped the ball on Friday. We forgot
Speaker 1: to talk about Levy on Bell. You don't even tell
Speaker 1: you listen, there's all about truth and honesty here we
Speaker 1: had a show, we talked about Lebian but now we will.
Speaker 1: Levy On Bell Uh facing a suspension UH three games.
Speaker 1: According to NFL Media Insider, this was tied to his
Speaker 1: d U I R s and then they found some
Speaker 1: weed in his car with his friend le garrett Um.
Speaker 1: So those Steelers, barring a successful appeal, will be without
Speaker 1: levy On Bell for the first three weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: Is there a positive way mark spinners for the Steelers?
Speaker 1: There is? This just bad news that puts them in
Speaker 1: a tough spot to start the season. Well, the the
Speaker 1: positive would be that they at least went out and
Speaker 1: addressed the running back position by getting D'Angelo Williams. It's
Speaker 1: not a heat seeking solution, but it's better than what
Speaker 1: was going on when Bell couldn't play in the playoff
Speaker 1: game against Baltimore, which I think they would have won
Speaker 1: that game if he did. Obviously, second part three games suspension.
Speaker 1: We get all hyped up about the first quarter of
Speaker 1: the season. That's what everyone gets all bent out of shape.
Speaker 1: Three games is not that long. It's a long season.
Speaker 1: They'll be fine. And three basically, yeah, I disagree. I
Speaker 1: think it's major. It's look at two years ago they
Speaker 1: started out oh and four when levy On Bell was
Speaker 1: injured to start the season. They weren't nearly not that
Speaker 1: team though it's not that team, but we saw in
Speaker 1: the playoffs they weren't the same without him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's that important to them, and it's two
Speaker 1: years in a row. The Steelers have started out slowly.
Speaker 1: I don't think they can afford to keep starting. As
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan, now, I'm wouldn't mind that Steelers game
Speaker 1: in Week one because now if you and as a
Speaker 1: Browns fan one wants them right, you want to you
Speaker 1: want to get him early because levian Bell right now,
Speaker 1: to me is the number one running back in the
Speaker 1: league until we see what Adrian Peterson is bringing to
Speaker 1: the table again. I mean, he's right, He's gonna be
Speaker 1: right there with Levianna Bell. But he's also would have
Speaker 1: been the number one fantasy pick. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a big fantasy story here. Do you take him number
Speaker 1: one overall even though you missed three games. This is
Speaker 1: Michael Fabiano walking in the door. It would be one
Speaker 1: thing if their defense was solid and you didn't. You
Speaker 1: weren't changing coordinators, you weren't overhauling your entire secondary. I
Speaker 1: just feel like those are a lot of issues to
Speaker 1: have in September. Well, I think it's it's a headache.
Speaker 1: I'm not downgrading it is that, but three games out
Speaker 1: of what the NFL season is, I just I'm the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh I've seen them do this over and over, Big
Speaker 1: Ben six games, suspension reduced to four, they go to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl that season. They're a good team. They
Speaker 1: find out how to get over their own problem. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't stune me if this gets reduced to two. And
Speaker 1: it's not like their talent pour on offense, as you
Speaker 1: point out, they have a top five to six quarterback,
Speaker 1: you have a pretty good offensive line. Now you have
Speaker 1: a good receiver group. I mean, they can still put
Speaker 1: up some points. Is there any doubt, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know to my right here, Mr Throne of Ease,
Speaker 1: that the Steelers will be the Patriots Week one opponent
Speaker 1: on Thursday Night, No, they will. And then Cleveland playing
Speaker 1: Week four when Belt was back in the yards and
Speaker 1: three touchdowns it's uh, it's two. It's too and my
Speaker 1: prediction is the Jets it's gonna be revers Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's what we'll find out next week. I think right.
Speaker 1: We got the national TV every game to do a
Speaker 1: special schedule. These wait to watch Smith or Ryan's Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: in week one. Listen, give me a Greg. We'll tell
Speaker 1: you that Geno Smith is a big year ahead of him.
Speaker 1: So alright, moving on, this came this came through late
Speaker 1: Monday night that Michael Crabtree has signed a one year
Speaker 1: deal with the Oakland Raiders. Crab Tree, of course, spent
Speaker 1: his first six seasons with the San Francisco forty Niners.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, it was met by a bit of
Speaker 1: a cold market. But he gets a deal with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: It's worth um one year deal where three point two
Speaker 1: million and he can earn another one point eight and incentives.
Speaker 1: Uh West, I'll start with you. So, Michael Crabtree, maybe
Speaker 1: he's looked a step slow since that Achilles injury, but
Speaker 1: is this an upgrade for a Raiders offense that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of weapons. No, one of the most
Speaker 1: speed challenged wide receiver corps in the NFL gets another
Speaker 1: speed challenged wide receiver. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 1: Shocking that I don't like a Raiders move. But what
Speaker 1: does he give them that James Jones doesn't already give
Speaker 1: them or whatever others slow wide receiver they have nine
Speaker 1: He hit ninety yards in six of eight games to
Speaker 1: close out two thousand twelve season. He's had done that
Speaker 1: two times in twenty yard four games since he tours
Speaker 1: Achilles tendon, and he was one among the league leaders
Speaker 1: and drop passes last year. One of the worst starting
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the league in two thousand and thirteen.
Speaker 1: I will say how much does that tie into Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's down turn last season? And maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a lot. Verdon Davis five yards, I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to end his career. I think Crabtree, you're getting
Speaker 1: him for three million dollars. I think these are This
Speaker 1: is the type of move you want to make if
Speaker 1: you're a team going for freezee, a guy who's shown production,
Speaker 1: who's still young. The biggest concern is off the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one seems to want to play with Michael Crafty.
Speaker 1: That's a problem. What does he give them they already
Speaker 1: have some potential for more James Jones, you know what
Speaker 1: he is. There's a chance that Michael Crabtree at his age,
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, he's dominating teams on
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl run, that he was the best. We
Speaker 1: were saying the same thing about how Keem Nick's last
Speaker 1: off season. Well, you were saying that this topic with
Speaker 1: Greg on NFL Now this morning, and what I'm hearing
Speaker 1: the feedback I'm getting from Twitter, from listeners, from management,
Speaker 1: upper management also saying that my I won the debate
Speaker 1: because I said this was a bum move for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: It's a team. They couldn't get Randall Cobb, they couldn't
Speaker 1: get Jeremy Macklin. So in middle April, you go out
Speaker 1: and get Michael Crabtree, have a nice I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: call this the West and Mark corner of the table.
Speaker 1: They sit a for me, Dan is next to me.
Speaker 1: That's the closed minded corner. You know, you just say Raiders,
Speaker 1: they made a move, until you immediately little like we've
Speaker 1: been more right in the entire country about the Raiders
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Well, nobody saying the Raiders
Speaker 1: are gonna be awful. It's not it's not like you're
Speaker 1: alone on land exactly how they're going to be awful
Speaker 1: and why they're going to be awful. I think that
Speaker 1: crab Tree, though I will say this, Mark, you make
Speaker 1: a good point that they missed, they whipped on their
Speaker 1: real targets. But to me, I don't know. It is
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy to have in that room when
Speaker 1: you have the Andre Holmes and Roder Street or it's
Speaker 1: like Home is better than crab Tree, right but you
Speaker 1: got Street bed than crab Tree right now. But I
Speaker 1: think that crab Tree there is a chance evaluate the game,
Speaker 1: not the name right, crab Tree tape is terrible the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. I'm just saying if he was
Speaker 1: thirty three or something, I'd be like, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: this is a bad move. There's a chance maybe up
Speaker 1: a little bit. That he had no money. He probably
Speaker 1: was expecting a five year four years motivated. Hell be
Speaker 1: motivated by few dollars. You know one thing they buy
Speaker 1: that money. If you're gonna say oh that, you know
Speaker 1: he had issues and so did Vernon Davis because of
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick and Greg Roman's offense. Well, hold about you go,
Speaker 1: what are you going to Oakland. Yeah, well you got
Speaker 1: what solution is there. We're not plugging him into the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis cult. Well, it depends what narrative you're following. Derek
Speaker 1: Carr might be the future. Also, he might be Johnny Unitis.
Speaker 1: He might be he might be coached by Bill musgravell
Speaker 1: that's a problem. The problem. That's a problem for the
Speaker 1: whole Oakland offense. That's kind of been under the radar
Speaker 1: this year that now they have Jack del Rio as
Speaker 1: their head coach and Bill Musgrave as their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: That's if if I was Derek Carr, I'd be pretty
Speaker 1: disappointed with that. Closed minded Corner has one nice thing
Speaker 1: to say about the Raiders. I really liked their attempt
Speaker 1: to sign Sean Richardson. I thought that was a guy
Speaker 1: you should be targeting. Okay, and then they were joy
Speaker 1: But I thought that came from a good and it's
Speaker 1: it's Mackenzie saying I will get more Packers players whatever
Speaker 1: I have. They actually they were just trying to assign
Speaker 1: Trent Richardson again if that counts. Uh. Movie of the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. They love Ryan Tannhill. Ryan Tannehill. He's
Speaker 1: a franchise star. We we know wes that Uh, Mike
Speaker 1: Tannebaum came out and said at the end NFL Annual
Speaker 1: Meeting that, uh, they they've identified U Tannehill is the
Speaker 1: future of the franchise. They want a huge deal. NFL
Speaker 1: media insider Ian Rappaport said Monday on NFL Total Access,
Speaker 1: which mark is the flagship program of Yes. And also,
Speaker 1: while we're doing drops or I'm doing drops, we should
Speaker 1: also mention that Ike Taylors on a Dave Damashek football
Speaker 1: program this week two shows, is any the co host
Speaker 1: now this week he is. So if you want to
Speaker 1: get if your Steelers fan, you've got a jones in
Speaker 1: for for some nostalgy, you go tune into that, but
Speaker 1: listen to us first Ryan Tannehill. Uh Ian reports they
Speaker 1: want to get this deal done before the start of
Speaker 1: the new season. This is a little different between how
Speaker 1: the culture uh dealing with Andrew Luck, both players drafted
Speaker 1: the same year in the first round. UM Jim Ursey said,
Speaker 1: We're gonna wait till after the season to deal with
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. The Dobbins want to deal with Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 1: right now. And Greg, what is the rush to get
Speaker 1: a deal done. Is it because they're they're already aware
Speaker 1: they're boxing themselves in financially because of that Sue deal. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's smart to get a deal done before
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson happens, before Andrew Luck and before that two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen option comes up, because basically, if they
Speaker 1: want to keep him with that option next year, it'll
Speaker 1: be sixteen fifteen, sixteen million dollars. I don't think they
Speaker 1: want to pay him that much and guaranteed money per year,
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be around that, So why not sign him now?
Speaker 1: The only risk is they might have a different offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in a year. Be sure. If he was their
Speaker 1: quarterback week four this most recent season and now they're
Speaker 1: in a rush to make him a hundred million dollar player,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like a little while
Speaker 1: we rush into the all so we don't know he's
Speaker 1: got dollars. I don't know he's got well, there have
Speaker 1: been reports out there that he could fetch something in that.
Speaker 1: But here's the issue, because you look at this offseason
Speaker 1: for the nine or ten teams that don't have that quarterback,
Speaker 1: you're out there picking up scraps, so you're Tannehill. No
Speaker 1: one's saying Tannehel is the top five quarterback. We don't
Speaker 1: know his ceiling like we do we Andy Dalton, that
Speaker 1: would be the difference. I feel like Andy Dalton that
Speaker 1: they went and paid him got better at me. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't, yees, so we don't know what's gonna be ahead.
Speaker 1: But if you're them, you don't just start over unless
Speaker 1: you have a high draft pick. And well, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying men start over, but you have some time to
Speaker 1: play with here, you have through next season, and they
Speaker 1: want to get a deal done before this upcoming season
Speaker 1: even happens. I don't know. I'm just saying, yeah, he
Speaker 1: has improved each year. But and West, you said, you're
Speaker 1: not really all unnecessarily on the type of offense Miami runs.
Speaker 1: Are we that sold at this guy? I don't think
Speaker 1: is convinced anyone he's a franchise quarterback except Mike Tannembaum.
Speaker 1: Well it's crazy though he Mike tanne has never gotten
Speaker 1: a quarterback decision wrong. By the way the system sizes
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez go ahead. The system is friendly two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And I agree, it was tough to kind of unpack
Speaker 1: how much of it was Tannaelle. How much of it
Speaker 1: was a system. That is the system that's there. You
Speaker 1: look at his numbers we were looking at when we
Speaker 1: did the NFL now hit on it. Four thousand yards,
Speaker 1: twenty seven touchdowns, twelve interceptions a few years ago. Those
Speaker 1: that's like Drew Brees numbers. That's the top six seven
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. The numbers are different now in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but that is the system that they have
Speaker 1: that The risk, like I said, is that laser is
Speaker 1: not gonna be there in a year or two. If
Speaker 1: Philip blows this. That's the difference between Tannehill and Nick Fulls.
Speaker 1: Much better two thousand thirteen than Tannehill did last year,
Speaker 1: but he was also a product of a system. I
Speaker 1: think he's well, he's more physically gifted, but Fulls performed better.
Speaker 1: And but he's well. To put to your argument, we
Speaker 1: just saw a team trade away what they thought was
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback for Nick Foles. So you're in that
Speaker 1: swamp of eight to ten guys that we aren't sold on.
Speaker 1: But if you're an NFL general manager and a head coach,
Speaker 1: do you take Tannehill, do you go get Josh mccownt right,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Tannehill like Dominicans, who's making twenty million
Speaker 1: a year. I really think I'd rather have Tannehill and
Speaker 1: just in a total vacuum where my options is Sue
Speaker 1: and whatever quarterback you can get or Tannehill. I'll just
Speaker 1: take Tannehill and that let me Sue and I'll give
Speaker 1: a decent quarter of it. Who would you get? Though?
Speaker 1: That's I think. I don't know. But we complain that
Speaker 1: the Bengals are stuck in purgatory because of Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins are also stuck in purgatory because of rant
Speaker 1: I think he's going up. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: ten and six every year. I want to win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Dolphins would love to go ten and six, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Look, the Bengals are happy being
Speaker 1: ten and six, and we pick on him for it.
Speaker 1: Other Dolphins news, the center for the Dolphins, Mike Pounceys
Speaker 1: has a new deal five years worth more than fifty million,
Speaker 1: over twenty million and guarantees. According to rap Sheet, this
Speaker 1: is the same Mike Pouncey who you know has come
Speaker 1: under fire for some stuff off the field. He owns
Speaker 1: a free Hernandez hat, for instance, also was tied into
Speaker 1: that bullying scandal. Uh loyal boy to Richie Incognito. However,
Speaker 1: he thanked the Dolphins for being loyal to him. He's
Speaker 1: obviously a high end player in the middle of that line.
Speaker 1: So they lock him up, they keep the center and
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll keep the quarterback and then they have a
Speaker 1: nice little dynamic there. Well, I couldn't help but think,
Speaker 1: and I know we're not allowed to talk about this
Speaker 1: really at the NFL Media News group, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: help but think of the contrast when I was watching
Speaker 1: Mike Pouncy crying, you know, at his UM press conference,
Speaker 1: very emotional about the faith in the contract that he
Speaker 1: got that across you know, the country. That same day,
Speaker 1: jurors are deliberating over Aaron Hernandez murder trial. And these
Speaker 1: guys were best friends and that I have no real
Speaker 1: point to that, but it was just like, what a
Speaker 1: contract between gets your point? I think it's made with Mark.
Speaker 1: I also agree. I don't even know what my point is.
Speaker 1: It's not mask poun as some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: solid citizen theres all sorts. Was not my point. Well,
Speaker 1: it was more just like these two teammates the two
Speaker 1: different roads that they're they're ro well, I went, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Mike Pouncy is I would have a
Speaker 1: nice time with Mike Pouncy. Yeah, not exactly. Put it
Speaker 1: this way, like if he was on the free agent list,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be on the l. A gray Beard's not
Speaker 1: a good locker room guy. Keep him Mike Pouncy off
Speaker 1: my team. But you know, the Dolphins of the Dolplins
Speaker 1: are gonna do what they want to do, all right.
Speaker 1: Here's something interesting finally that came out of San Diego,
Speaker 1: the you teach Rebune Kevin a C who is their
Speaker 1: longtime beat writer now a columnist, and it is very
Speaker 1: tight with Philip Rivers, so tight that they've done uh
Speaker 1: you know, benefits together, raising money, fundraisers and obviously a
Speaker 1: good healthy relationship there. And a C is a respected
Speaker 1: voice in that sports scene, says that the time is
Speaker 1: now to trade Philip Rivers if Marcus Mariotta is the man,
Speaker 1: and a C goes, um, you know, pretty deep into
Speaker 1: explaining why he thinks that possible, tying into the possible
Speaker 1: relocation of the Chargers and Philip Rivers. At age thirty three,
Speaker 1: maybe his wish to move back East for the end
Speaker 1: of his career. And if all that stuff is lined
Speaker 1: up and and they love Mariotta, maybe now is the
Speaker 1: time to pull the Regor mark uh. First of all,
Speaker 1: do you read into this at all Kevin a cy
Speaker 1: a true boy of Philip Rivers saying trade Phil Rivers? Well,
Speaker 1: it's if he he clearly clearly knows that Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: does not want to go to Los Angeles. And I
Speaker 1: think that maybe the flip side is if you want
Speaker 1: to get any sort of benefit from Rivers at the
Speaker 1: tail end of his career, and you want to make
Speaker 1: a move, and you can do it with the Titans,
Speaker 1: for instance, Greg was hot on this this morning. That's
Speaker 1: your target, I guess, Tennessee. And you go up and
Speaker 1: you start over the same way they did with Breeze
Speaker 1: into Rivers. I have a good idea, but I just
Speaker 1: think if they love Mariota, then that's the only way
Speaker 1: in they're meeting with him today. You could possibly make
Speaker 1: the argument for this if you just love Marcus Mariota. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I guess you think about it, but that it
Speaker 1: seems crazy to me. I wouldn't do it. Do you
Speaker 1: remember a draft. I'm sure there is every year, but
Speaker 1: this one sticks out to me where all the experts
Speaker 1: have no clue what's going on with Marcus Mariota. Where
Speaker 1: you've seen him going anywhere from one to the second
Speaker 1: round and only he doesn't have character concerns. This is
Speaker 1: purely based upon, uh, what they think his ceiling is
Speaker 1: as a player. It seems like Mariota is either the
Speaker 1: hottest property in the draft or some something that teams
Speaker 1: are afraid to get in business with. I'd be a
Speaker 1: little scary to me. It's a little bit like the
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven class guys like Locker and and
Speaker 1: blame Gabbert's I said seven, he said eleven. Listen, Tybee
Speaker 1: Island does that to him? Well, Locker and Gabbert were
Speaker 1: talked about at one point going number one or two
Speaker 1: overall in the draft, and they ended up going eight.
Speaker 1: And Ponder was supposed to be in the second round
Speaker 1: he ended up number twelve. I mean, it does happen.
Speaker 1: Gino Smith at one point was thought of as a
Speaker 1: possible that top five pick with Mariotta, though I just
Speaker 1: don't under I mean that is a move that you're
Speaker 1: just putting it out all out on the table, because
Speaker 1: that's the type of move that gets everyone fired. And
Speaker 1: you're saying, Okay, this is the time to get some
Speaker 1: value out of Philip Rivers. But you know what's a
Speaker 1: great value having Philip Rivers on your team for the
Speaker 1: next three or four years while he's still a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback because I think he can and will be
Speaker 1: well unless he refuses to play there that But that's
Speaker 1: the other part of it. I don't think that because
Speaker 1: the Chargers, if anything, who knows what, whether we can
Speaker 1: believe it, have said very strongly there is no way
Speaker 1: we're moving Philip Rivers. I guess my My thought is,
Speaker 1: you have them under contract this year, you have the
Speaker 1: franchise tag next year. If he doesn't want to play
Speaker 1: in l A call his bluff. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I would. I would. It's hard for me to imagine
Speaker 1: Philip rid Be's like not, I'm just gonna be done
Speaker 1: with football. I'm not gonna take the twenty million. I'm
Speaker 1: just not gonna play the sport I love because I
Speaker 1: don't like kids, because I don't like driving up the five,
Speaker 1: and I like the South. I mean that seems a
Speaker 1: little wacky. People from the South are a little wacky.
Speaker 1: I was just there it is. Anybody taking it a
Speaker 1: little personally is a Los Angeles residents at all percolating? Well,
Speaker 1: I think if you have you have kids to get
Speaker 1: into school, you can start to see where it all.
Speaker 1: It's not have any worries about school systems. And if
Speaker 1: he whatever issues he has with l A is not
Speaker 1: going to be you know, having to buy a small
Speaker 1: apartment complex and South Central is going to live in
Speaker 1: the most glorious part of the city. So I don't
Speaker 1: think he does have a huge issues. That would be
Speaker 1: a good sitcom. Actually rivers and all the kids move
Speaker 1: into you know, something on the other side of the
Speaker 1: tracks tracks. I don't know. I've I've come to like
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, but I could definitely see why it's not
Speaker 1: for everyone. It's definitely not a city for everyone. By
Speaker 1: the way, this would require the Tennessee Titans to do
Speaker 1: something edgy and you know, unpredictable for the first time
Speaker 1: in a decade. So let's not jump the gun here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If Tennessee has a chance to do it,
Speaker 1: do it. Do everything you can. This is your this
Speaker 1: is your chance, and that this is a miracle. If
Speaker 1: this ever happened this way got Mettger. There are I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I mean, I'm not even familiar with
Speaker 1: who you're talking about. The Tutans or if they if
Speaker 1: this franchise, that Tono sutine Tons pulled off the straight,
Speaker 1: we would talk about that team. How about this maneuver?
Speaker 1: Cleveland gets into number two by giving both their number
Speaker 1: one picks to Tennessee. Then they trade for Rivers, who
Speaker 1: can't be more excited about getting his seven kids into
Speaker 1: the Cleveland school system. I know, I heard you guys
Speaker 1: shred me on now for that clown car. Yeah, Sessler
Speaker 1: came to man clown car Cessler Cavin breathing fire this
Speaker 1: morning because of this Rivers article seven months now, it's legitimate.
Speaker 1: Now trading Philip Rivers now we can discuss it. Whatever
Speaker 1: you clown, Philip Rivers is not going to Cleveland if
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go to l A. Well, which
Speaker 1: team I'll ask you this, which team has been actively
Speaker 1: trying to trade for a quarterback and has been doggedly
Speaker 1: willing to take risks? The Titans or the Browns. The
Speaker 1: Titans are frozen in snow, but they're underneath the Chargers
Speaker 1: are gonna ship Phil Rivers the damn Ohio. Well, if
Speaker 1: Cleveland got the number two pick, shouldn't start to change,
Speaker 1: not saying with where they are now, they're only trade
Speaker 1: him if they get Mariota in this scenario or Damis wins.
Speaker 1: How did Rivers come into the league. Maybe he goes
Speaker 1: right out of San Diego, the same way with massive
Speaker 1: draft day trade scenarios. Okay, sorry to dream clowns. I
Speaker 1: don't want to take a personal because I'm not taking
Speaker 1: it personal. But it was like the one time, when
Speaker 1: I'm gone for three or four days, I hear like,
Speaker 1: you're getting buried on NFL now by a couple of shmoos.
Speaker 1: How I said was that's a pipe dream. I don't
Speaker 1: think we buried too. I didn't even watch it, so
Speaker 1: I don't know play the second. This is all falling apart.
Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening. Okay, let's move on now
Speaker 1: to um Listen one of our favorite games. It has
Speaker 1: a very simple title, what is it Why? From Culver City, California.
Speaker 1: It's America's favorite game show more. That's right, another edition
Speaker 1: of What's More Likely where we throw out some different possibilities,
Speaker 1: and we ask the audience what is more likely? Uh
Speaker 1: so we will will go through it. I came up
Speaker 1: with a few of them. I know you guys came
Speaker 1: up with a couple as well. Uh So, let's get
Speaker 1: right to it. But Greg Roosvelaw is another high octane
Speaker 1: meeting to get to. So let's get to it. Let's
Speaker 1: go with the first one. All right, we just talked
Speaker 1: about the what's more likely the Chargers trade Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: and draft Marcus Mariotta or the Vikings trade Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: and draft Melvin Gordon. I'll go first and say that
Speaker 1: the Chargers are more likely, partly just because of probability here.
Speaker 1: The Melvin Gordon thing makes it a little tougher to
Speaker 1: just know that they're gonna go for that running. I'll
Speaker 1: either either one. I'm still gonna go with the Chargers
Speaker 1: and may I don't think it's more likely than not
Speaker 1: to happen. And but just there's been so much smoke
Speaker 1: about this, and on some level it does make a
Speaker 1: little bit of sense for everyone involved if they truly
Speaker 1: love Mariota. I agree, I think it's likely that the
Speaker 1: Vikings trade Adrian Peterson, but the Melvin Gordon Park or
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley. Part throws me off. I think they like
Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon, So I don't know. Really, I do think
Speaker 1: they like him. I don't know. Matt Asiata was there
Speaker 1: being guy down the stretch. He was playing pretty much
Speaker 1: only because McKinnon was injured, right, But I mean he
Speaker 1: looked he got injured quickly. He doesn't look like a
Speaker 1: guy that could carry the load. Peterson call McKinnon one
Speaker 1: of the best athletes he's ever practice with. Touchet Um
Speaker 1: I will I will also go Chargers because there just
Speaker 1: seems to be more heat. It's the age of the player.
Speaker 1: I think Rivers still has something left. But also these
Speaker 1: other teams that might want Peterson, the Cowboys of the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: they can go out and draft the running back to
Speaker 1: how about just Rivers or Peterson? Who's more likely to
Speaker 1: get trade Peterson? M Peterson. He's just he's the one
Speaker 1: that's openly unhappy right now. Maybe Rivers is too. But
Speaker 1: by the way, this is shaping up for some fireworks
Speaker 1: here in this draft. You don't need to be a
Speaker 1: draft to get excited about a possible Philip Rivers and
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson that's good because no quarterbacks going to the
Speaker 1: draft more. All right, Marks, Brown's draft a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the first round for the third time in four years,
Speaker 1: or Johnny Manzel starts at least five games this season.
Speaker 1: Mark will start with you, Well, I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to get up I mean, because they let's let's remove
Speaker 1: drafting someone in the sixth round or something like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: first round, Okay, so it's I'll go Manzel starting five
Speaker 1: games just because part of it is you gotta get
Speaker 1: up there and get Mariota. That's not easy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go whatever the answer, it doesn't matter what you put
Speaker 1: up against my Manzel starting five games. I'm not taking
Speaker 1: Manzel starting five games because I can't imagine that happening.
Speaker 1: But I really can't. Isn't it possible. It's one of
Speaker 1: those stories where but I'm buying it, you're buying all right,
Speaker 1: I'm picking Manzel starting five games. That's I'm kind of
Speaker 1: with that too. I think that people are kind of
Speaker 1: first of all, Josh mccownst inks. Secondly, secondly, well we
Speaker 1: know that, but secondly, like this idea that the Browns
Speaker 1: are gonna draft a quarterback again early and I don't
Speaker 1: buy it. I think they're gonna go a different route
Speaker 1: this time. And Manzel, once he's in camp and he's
Speaker 1: if he shows some growth and and makes him plays
Speaker 1: him account's not playing well, I think they're gonna take
Speaker 1: another look. I think there's there's a good chance he's
Speaker 1: not good at professional football. Okay, well that's possible, but
Speaker 1: five more games to find that out isn't crazy. And
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a sixteen game starter in Cleveland in
Speaker 1: thirteen years. How many first round quarterbacks never got a
Speaker 1: chance to start at least eight games in their career.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he won't start ever again for any team,
Speaker 1: but yeah, a big chunk of this season. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting it. That's obviously. I would say it
Speaker 1: would be a bad kind of brownsy mistake if they
Speaker 1: cut chord on him without at least giving a chance
Speaker 1: to do something on the field. I know they're they're
Speaker 1: pissed about how this played out, and they should be,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It feels like it would be
Speaker 1: a mistake not to at least give him a shot.
Speaker 1: It's it's the combination of of the off field than
Speaker 1: the on field with the on field, the beautiful combination
Speaker 1: of right being just as big, if not bigger for me,
Speaker 1: that he really struggled in practicing in the game was
Speaker 1: more likely. You let me just do a little set
Speaker 1: up for this one, because Zach Mettenberger. There was a
Speaker 1: columnist in in Tennessee that wrote that he knows what's
Speaker 1: going on inside the Titans, and they are all in
Speaker 1: on Zach Mettenberger. They believe that he is a poor
Speaker 1: man's Tom Brady. That was the exact words in the article.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, for that reason, don't expect them
Speaker 1: to be making any bold move for a quarterback in
Speaker 1: Chicago later this month. So uh, with that in mind,
Speaker 1: what's more likely Zach Mettenberger has voted to a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl and not at alternate, none of that garbage. He's
Speaker 1: voted to a Pro Bowl in the next ten years,
Speaker 1: or Ken wizzen Hunt and Rust and Webster are unemployed
Speaker 1: by the end of January. Come on, I'm giving Zach
Speaker 1: ten years to get to the Pro way. More likely
Speaker 1: that Rust and Webster and Ken wizen Hunt are unemployed it,
Speaker 1: especially if this is the decision they're going for. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what I was going for here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with that ownership change potentially, that's that seems in
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy though, who the football genius is.
Speaker 1: Who's telling David Climber that Bettenberger's poor man's Tom Brady
Speaker 1: only because they were both drafted in the He wasn't.
Speaker 1: I actually am love the mind that Mettenberger was not
Speaker 1: bad as a rookie. I know, West, You've been all
Speaker 1: over the map on this. He wasn't. He wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1: He wasn't worse than Derek Carr or we ended up.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big quarterback raiding fan, but for for
Speaker 1: what it's worth, the quarterback rade, it's about the same
Speaker 1: as Tom Brady. But you're not a quarterback his first
Speaker 1: We've already gone over this. Everything he did was in
Speaker 1: garbage time or fluke place. But my point though is,
Speaker 1: even if you're grading him on the nicest way possible,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to come up with that he's
Speaker 1: the guy that you're going to pass on rivers or
Speaker 1: the number to pick for. Like even if you're thinking, wow, like,
Speaker 1: what's the best case scenario. He's the fourteenth best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league. That's in a good scenario. Doesn't that
Speaker 1: feel like way more than likely scenario with this franchise, though,
Speaker 1: that they stick with Mettenberger rather than roll the dice
Speaker 1: with take a defensive tackle a number two? What more likely?
Speaker 1: All right? I couldn't think about come draft time, the
Speaker 1: Bears find a taker for Jake Cutler that nets them
Speaker 1: a third round pick or higher, or the Niners first
Speaker 1: round draft pick hugs Roger Goodell at the podium and
Speaker 1: then immediately announces his retirement. I'm gonna go. I think
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna go with the Niners scenario that seems
Speaker 1: more likely to me. I can't imagine anybody trading a
Speaker 1: third round pick or higher for Jake Cutler. That I
Speaker 1: was curious, Like, I was trying to think of what
Speaker 1: would be a believable draft pick. I guess third is
Speaker 1: it's that contract, poor Niners. Yeah, I'll have to go
Speaker 1: at the Niners retirement. Jim Thompson would just go on
Speaker 1: like a three thousand mile walk if that happened, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: see some serious for the second? What are you getting at?
Speaker 1: It seems like another guy that coaster for walks. Seems
Speaker 1: like you said a gumpy in past. All right, anybody
Speaker 1: else want to jump in with one? All right, I
Speaker 1: got one more likely, Marcus Mariotta goes number one overall
Speaker 1: or Jamis Winston goes to the Jets. Mm hm. My
Speaker 1: first instinct is to say that all this Mariota number
Speaker 1: one nonsense is just because the draft has to get
Speaker 1: here already, and I'm chalking it up to that just
Speaker 1: over analyzation at this point. So I think Winston goes
Speaker 1: one to the Bucks, so obviously that's uh, I'm going
Speaker 1: with that. I'm with you that we heard the same nonsense.
Speaker 1: What's the other option? Then, Winston to the Jets or
Speaker 1: Mariotta number one. You gotta pick one of those two options,
Speaker 1: even if neither one of them is particularly likely, which
Speaker 1: I think we'd all agree that. Is there a third, No,
Speaker 1: it's less than fifty fifty, but one of these maybe,
Speaker 1: Mark and then I'll I will go with the with
Speaker 1: the Jets, and they've been aggressive, they've been extremely aggressive,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they think they have a quarterback
Speaker 1: if they know anything about football, so they're going to
Speaker 1: trade up. They're gonna do what they can to get
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston and reboot that friendships that far to go
Speaker 1: it's number one, but it's not part of it is
Speaker 1: that Winston. Maybe maybe Winston doesn't go one and maybe
Speaker 1: you can trade up to two or three or who knows.
Speaker 1: It was funny being on Tybee. I'm so far removed
Speaker 1: from college football and the draft nick process that I
Speaker 1: have no idea, But it was funny to hearing people
Speaker 1: who watch college football and are big fans saying that
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston is a no brainer, like will be a
Speaker 1: stud quarterback, and I hearing analysts like I don't hear
Speaker 1: that all the time, but there was that was the
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom back in the South. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe the Jets would trade up for him
Speaker 1: if he's that good. Yeah, And I guess I don't
Speaker 1: see Mariota going number one, so yeah, I guess the
Speaker 1: Jets trading up into that spot to go get him.
Speaker 1: But I don't see that playing out either. Who's who
Speaker 1: else got one? Well, I I heard the name I
Speaker 1: did a would you rather that's cheating? Mark? I listen,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a miscommunication, by the way, kind
Speaker 1: of cheating like in our game on Friday when you
Speaker 1: did our two truths and a lie and put truths
Speaker 1: within your lie, which I thought was a little shady business.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it when I was listening. Alright,
Speaker 1: well I did that. We can take the appeal. The
Speaker 1: appeal board is going to take a look at this.
Speaker 1: We might think I played the game. Well, that's from
Speaker 1: another angle. If the whole game was just two troots
Speaker 1: and a lie, what a one two for two? Is
Speaker 1: everything else? Though? Keep breaking back? They got wiped out,
Speaker 1: all right? So what is the what's this call? Would
Speaker 1: you rather? Would you rather? All right? He? Would you
Speaker 1: rather leave your current life behind to join a flying
Speaker 1: saucer called stationed on the forest outskirts of Munich, Germany? A?
Speaker 1: It's a it's think like an excavation of mark subconscious,
Speaker 1: by the way, And I would you rather I finish this?
Speaker 1: Or should we just end the podcast? All right? Hey?
Speaker 1: Would you rather leave your current life behind to join
Speaker 1: a flying saucer cult station on the outskirts of Munich, Germany?
Speaker 1: In this scenario, you would never be allowed to watch
Speaker 1: football again. Still, your family can come with you, and
Speaker 1: all your financial needs will be gone forever. To help
Speaker 1: the Flying Saucer cult, though, you must spend at least
Speaker 1: seven hours a day, every day watching the skies for
Speaker 1: alien craft and recording your observations in a spiral bound
Speaker 1: community journal. Or would you rather leave your NFL job
Speaker 1: and move to Papillion, Nebraska, where you will work at
Speaker 1: right Aid for the rest of your life. You can
Speaker 1: bring your family, but you live in a spare apartment
Speaker 1: house at the edge of the city. Also part of
Speaker 1: the deal, you can never eat a dairy product for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, and your apartment is filled
Speaker 1: with cats. Is that even close? I'm going. I'm going
Speaker 1: to Munich. I'm going there. That didn't sound like a
Speaker 1: bad deal. No financial worries. You have to join a cult. Well,
Speaker 1: you didn't say what went into the cult. But ultimately
Speaker 1: I'm thinking seven hours a day, that's not a long workday,
Speaker 1: and my family is with me, and there's no financial worries.
Speaker 1: I get to eat whatever I want. I'm going. I'm
Speaker 1: not giving up power over my mind. I refused to
Speaker 1: join a cult. I wouldn't give it. That could stay strong.
Speaker 1: I'm allergic to cats. That's a good point. My wife's
Speaker 1: allergic to cats. Um, So I guess I'll go with
Speaker 1: the other one with the cult. What if we could
Speaker 1: join the cult, and then I could overthrow the leader.
Speaker 1: But then wouldn't we then be You would be our
Speaker 1: leader then, which is fine, but I really don't want
Speaker 1: to have anybody as like a quote unquote leader. Then
Speaker 1: how are you gonna be a cult without a leader?
Speaker 1: I gotta break out of this cult. Basically, West, do
Speaker 1: you have one before we go? No? I can't match that.
Speaker 1: We gotta go out on that, all right? Do we
Speaker 1: want anybody else have one? All right? That's it. That's
Speaker 1: it for uh Tuesday's edition of the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday with um the great
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Speaker 1: for another show on Thursday. Wow, that would that will be?
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Speaker 1: Actually getting nervous at this point, by the way, he said,
Speaker 1: he said it downstairs in the newsroom on Monday, that
Speaker 1: he's starting to feel pressure as gold Standard really starts
Speaker 1: to dig his talents into the show. But of course
Speaker 1: he's leaving us Gold Standards. That's really it's artificially. He's
Speaker 1: so worried. He concocted an entire traffic situation across western
Speaker 1: Los Angeles to slow gold Standard down. Imagine TD Moore
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Speaker 1: and including Chris Westling on Thursday, that was touching. Now, then,
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Speaker 1: four of Us uh Stan Hansas signing off for Quiet Storm,
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