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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus and I am joined our
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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. I'll say it again. This is uh
Speaker 1: a Monday podcast. We're here in the studio Studio sixty six.
Speaker 1: Mark is missing because he's hard at work in our
Speaker 1: Arizona at the NFL Annual Meeting. Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1: I've written it forty four times in the last couple
Speaker 1: of days, But yeah, and NFL annual meeting that connor
Speaker 1: Or and then Sizzler both covered the veteran combine, which
Speaker 1: I hear was a depressing affair for everyone involved. Uh,
Speaker 1: And we're gonna get them on the phone a little
Speaker 1: bit later to catch up with them on their experience.
Speaker 1: Of course, the you know, all the big wigs are
Speaker 1: down in Arizona for these breakfasts. That Greg, you could
Speaker 1: fill us in exactly how this works. You were at
Speaker 1: this event jogging with Mark last year. Well, it's very similar, Dan.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been to like an embassy suite. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have. They have a complimentary breakfast. When you wake up,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone can can go get some sol Continental breakfast, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much what it is, except in this case,
Speaker 1: you know it's Doug Morone, you know it was last
Speaker 1: year and Chip Kelly. They can chow down some bacon
Speaker 1: and you sit down and ask him questions for an hour.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be Tuesday and Wednesday there on the scene.
Speaker 1: How about that. That's pretty good. Do you think Mark
Speaker 1: eats at these breakfasts? I was there with him. He
Speaker 1: did he after the fact, I mean, not much, because
Speaker 1: he's a food atarian so that he's not really into it,
Speaker 1: but he liked it. West. How you doing over there?
Speaker 1: A little silence so far. It couldn't be better, Dan,
Speaker 1: any better than you have to be two of me.
Speaker 1: How was your weekend? Wonderful? Good, good, good little yesterday
Speaker 1: I got the green egg working barbecue. We should be happy.
Speaker 1: This is the start of the off season as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. Really, it's when the owner's meeting ends,
Speaker 1: when Mark and Connor get back home, the off season
Speaker 1: beg and we're going to kick it off in style
Speaker 1: next weekend. West West? I heard? Is that the name
Speaker 1: where that you're going with it is? Now? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: like the sound of it. It's not West of Us,
Speaker 1: which is, of course, is the Bengals playoff loss on
Speaker 1: wild Card weekend. I look forward to it every January. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you like? More like a West West or
Speaker 1: West of Us? I wouldn't. I don't want to choose.
Speaker 1: I feel like West of Us has become a nice
Speaker 1: tradition for me. Yeah. I'm looking forward to, uh the
Speaker 1: party and t D behind the glass? How are you buddy?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Guys? Happy National Puppy Day? I
Speaker 1: like puppies every day, Puppy Day. Nice drop that. I
Speaker 1: like that. The TV, by the way, the big news
Speaker 1: and before we got a big show, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into some news from the last couple of days since
Speaker 1: the last time we were with you, which was a Thursday.
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna get into players who benefited or
Speaker 1: have been hurt by free agency. We're gonna the three
Speaker 1: of us will discuss that. And of course, as I said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get our too, uh colleagues from Arizona on
Speaker 1: the horn t D big big event coming up on Thursday,
Speaker 1: win West's toaster. Do we have our our applicants lined up,
Speaker 1: our opponents for Chris Wesley? Now, yeah, we will though
Speaker 1: the next coming days being a look out on your
Speaker 1: Twitter feed, gonna have the you know, screening process going down.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun, gonna you know, the winners, contestants
Speaker 1: have fact sheets made so good time, alright, good So
Speaker 1: Thursday it's the big it's a big event, so make
Speaker 1: sure you tune in for that. But the fact the
Speaker 1: whole game is a sham uh TD. Why don't we
Speaker 1: do some news? Is that a little dark man X? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought we got a little soft day with a
Speaker 1: dog puppy barkingside. You know, yeah, went with the who's
Speaker 1: calling us either way? Okay, this listen, this is uh,
Speaker 1: we keep it real on the show. A little phone. Look,
Speaker 1: he's behind the glass and I'm doing work. So why
Speaker 1: don't we get right to it. We'll start with the news,
Speaker 1: and we'll start with the new Outland Saints, who we
Speaker 1: of course, have made some very big changes on their
Speaker 1: roster so far in the off season, and that led
Speaker 1: to speculation that another shoe or the biggest shooter drop
Speaker 1: would be Drew Brees being shipped out of town. Doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like that's gonna happen, according to general manager Mickey Loomis,
Speaker 1: who and Found emphatically shot down those rumors at the
Speaker 1: annual meeting. This was his quote to Jim Corbett of
Speaker 1: the USA Today. Jim Corbett, who once gave me a
Speaker 1: tour of the Jets training camp facility in How old
Speaker 1: were you there? It was nineteen years old. It's great.
Speaker 1: I got to watch a Bill Parcel's press conference, which
Speaker 1: was quite amazing. Anyway, this is the quote. Anybody who
Speaker 1: thinks we're trading Drew Brees, that's just not true. Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: do you believe it? Of course I believe it if
Speaker 1: I feel like he was speaking directly to Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: The idea that any NFL team would trade and established
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback as an anthema. I mean, why would any
Speaker 1: the whole goal is to get a franchise quarterback. I
Speaker 1: guess the uh Devil's Advocate take is that this is
Speaker 1: a team that's maybe the super Bowl window is closed
Speaker 1: and they're starting a new chapter. So I keep it
Speaker 1: thirty six year old when you could leverage that into
Speaker 1: a trade that potentially restocks the roster. But I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that one. I mean, look what division they're in.
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler was traded. I guess if you call him
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. But you're right. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of other examples. Jake Cutler was right it because he
Speaker 1: pitched a fit as a petulant brat, right, and that's
Speaker 1: not happening in New Orleans. It never made a whole
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I think people sometimes apply other sports
Speaker 1: thinking to the NFL, Like, okay, the the Saints are
Speaker 1: blowing things up in other sports, It's like you start
Speaker 1: rebuilding they just trade away stars, but it doesn't happen. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we saw look what happened with the Raiders
Speaker 1: and Jaguars the last couple of years. The idea that
Speaker 1: you would blow up your team is ridiculous. That's not
Speaker 1: how you win in the NFL, and you don't win
Speaker 1: by like gaining cap room. This isn't the NBA where
Speaker 1: you tried to coax Kevin Garnett to your team. It's
Speaker 1: not like they're a young, particularly young team, and they're
Speaker 1: signing free agents. They're yeah, they're not rebuilding right there,
Speaker 1: trading away Kenny Spills, They're not really really rebuilding. They're
Speaker 1: just looking for the Jimmy Graham tade. Shocking, and it
Speaker 1: does help their run game in terms of their blocking
Speaker 1: ability with getting Max younger. But it's not like this
Speaker 1: team is gonna a complete rebuild situation that they can
Speaker 1: win that division easily, like we talked about her I
Speaker 1: talked about when I was defending the Riva's deal with
Speaker 1: the Jets is like just getting the playoffs. Who knows
Speaker 1: what happens. Drew Brees has won a Super Bowl, so
Speaker 1: it looks like Breeze will still be in town in
Speaker 1: New Orleans and Tom Benson talked about it too, that
Speaker 1: they're not rebuilding. I think the ownership situation, which is
Speaker 1: up in the air right now, also is hanging over
Speaker 1: that franchise, and the last thing they want to do
Speaker 1: is win four or five games again. I think they
Speaker 1: want to be in as good standing as possible with
Speaker 1: all that going on. All right, we move on to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: where the Vikings have been very upfront about wanting to
Speaker 1: keep Adrian Peterson in Minnesota after a lost two thousand
Speaker 1: and fourteen season. But now we're hearing more more bubbling
Speaker 1: up about Peterson maybe not wanting to stay with the Vikings.
Speaker 1: General manager Rick Spielman recently requested a dinner session with
Speaker 1: Peterson's agent Ben Dogra at the annual meeting in Phoenix,
Speaker 1: and Dogre declined this. According to NFL media is Albert
Speaker 1: Brier uh So. This was first reported by Yahoo. Greg.
Speaker 1: I know you wrote the piece where you laid out
Speaker 1: it made sense that he would be staying in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Does this change how you feel at all? No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't change it. It does tell me that Peterson could
Speaker 1: have a higher level of seriousness of pushing himself off
Speaker 1: the team than than I thought. So that's an extra
Speaker 1: bit of information, But ultimately I still think the Vikings
Speaker 1: hold all the cards here. I mean, what is this
Speaker 1: some sort of dating show the Bachelor, like you can't
Speaker 1: like it's all about who chooses to go with who's dinner.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what I'm talking about here,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I still I've disagree with you
Speaker 1: all along on this. I think he has been peeved,
Speaker 1: really peeved about the way things were handled last year.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to play for the Vikings. But it's
Speaker 1: I I get that, but it's also he's playing it
Speaker 1: this way that he's trying to keep both options open
Speaker 1: because he's not sure right now if he can get
Speaker 1: the contract that he wants or if he can really
Speaker 1: get out of Minnesota. So if he wanted to at
Speaker 1: any point in this process, he could have just said
Speaker 1: I'm never playing in Minnesota again, or I want to
Speaker 1: be traded where I want to be released, and he
Speaker 1: didn't do any of that because he's trying to get
Speaker 1: his money and a little more context of the situation,
Speaker 1: And to your point, West, you said that you know,
Speaker 1: obviously this is something that's sticking to Peterson's ribs about
Speaker 1: how last year played out. Multiple sources close to Peterson
Speaker 1: Evan formed Albert Berrier that the major sticking point is
Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Kevin Warren, who was
Speaker 1: recently promoted from General Council of the team to ce CEO.
Speaker 1: Peterson's camp is under the impression that Warren worked with
Speaker 1: the NFL to put Peterson on that exempt list. Uh so,
Speaker 1: as long as this Warren guy is in town, Peterson
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be there. I don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: still a messy situation here. But rap She also Ian
Speaker 1: rapport our NFL media insider. Also his report, you know,
Speaker 1: guaranteed money in two thousand and sixteen, would make everything
Speaker 1: go away. So it's just about money, It's just about contract.
Speaker 1: It's partly about I don't think. I talked to Burt
Speaker 1: on Friday and he I thought that was interesting. He said,
Speaker 1: Peterson once out of Minnesota, and why isn't he asked
Speaker 1: for the Vikings? Know that Peter iss him once out
Speaker 1: of Minnesota? Okay, but then why hasn't he asked for
Speaker 1: a trade publicly? Why why isn't he he made is
Speaker 1: maybe he wants to control the situation in a different way,
Speaker 1: you know, force a release and then he gets to
Speaker 1: choose where he goes. Well, they're not really they're not
Speaker 1: going to release him. I think they he could box
Speaker 1: him in a corner where they feel like it's just
Speaker 1: worth it to trade him. But that would be a
Speaker 1: bad spot to be. All right, Let's talk about another
Speaker 1: running back, this time Lashawn McCoy, who, of course was
Speaker 1: traded to the Bills a blockbuster move on the eve
Speaker 1: of free agency uh, in exchange for Kiko Alonso. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's very clear that McCoy was not really happy with
Speaker 1: the Eagles about how this all played out. I think
Speaker 1: he definitely took it as a son of disrespect. It
Speaker 1: seems that he got moved and on the Rich Eyes
Speaker 1: and Show, he said on Friday that he viewed the
Speaker 1: moves that were made after he was traded when the
Speaker 1: Eagles signed both to Marco Murray and Ryan Matthews. He
Speaker 1: called it a panic move. He said that he didn't
Speaker 1: understand it and and he basically laid out his feeling
Speaker 1: that Chip Kelly he's a great coach, but I think
Speaker 1: he's learning on the job here as a personnel man.
Speaker 1: In terms of how he's spending in the decisions he's making.
Speaker 1: Shots fired. Shady's just saying what a lot of people
Speaker 1: around the NFL are saying that Chip Kelly's in oversaid.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it, but I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people not the same thing as McCoy that why would
Speaker 1: you let go of McCoy and then you signed Murray
Speaker 1: and Matthews. It seems like they're just like making it
Speaker 1: up as they go along. But they sign Murray and
Speaker 1: Matthews to the same money that McCoy is getting, right,
Speaker 1: and you get Keiko Alonso back. I mean, there there
Speaker 1: is a logic to it. There might be something to
Speaker 1: the fact that they weren't planning all along to sign
Speaker 1: Matthews and Murray and they just made that up after
Speaker 1: the fact. Now, I you know, I'm often critical of
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, but you make a good point, Like if
Speaker 1: someone were to ask me, would I rather have Lashawn
Speaker 1: McCoy or DeMarco Murray, Ryan Matthews and Keiko Alonso if
Speaker 1: the money is similar. I don't think it's a bad
Speaker 1: move at all by the Eagles. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: look at it in that sense, of course, you can
Speaker 1: look at it It's not the only way to look
Speaker 1: at it, obviously, but the roster, I guess is a
Speaker 1: little more full and and Murray is an excellent back
Speaker 1: coming off his best year ever. We don't know if
Speaker 1: he'll be able to repeat it, but it's bad. Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly's playing checkers. No, he's playing chess, well checkers, and
Speaker 1: he is playing Lincoln and you know he I was
Speaker 1: watching he did a interview with Steve Wish from the
Speaker 1: NFL Annual Meeting. I was watching, and I just can't
Speaker 1: get over chip Kelly is very pleased with himself the
Speaker 1: way he discusses football. I mean, he's the genius. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons why as Gregg's
Speaker 1: had a lot of people around the NFL are questioning
Speaker 1: chip Kelly. I think he rubs people the wrong way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the it's weird. I was trying to trying to explain,
Speaker 1: to put it in words to Greg, but it was hard.
Speaker 1: Like when he says his opinion on something is the
Speaker 1: difference between like one coach was saying, I'll just be
Speaker 1: that's his viewpoint, But when chip Kelly says, it's like
Speaker 1: he's telling you this is what it is. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: basically giving you this information on stone tablets from a mountain. Pok. Well,
Speaker 1: we were talking about it. I think it's mostly that
Speaker 1: he doesn't really respect the thinking of the people questioning him.
Speaker 1: Brings sham in here to be a chip, the only
Speaker 1: chip here. He does not respect the journalists, I don't
Speaker 1: think for the most part, I don't think he respects
Speaker 1: like a fans thought. And the reason why I don't
Speaker 1: mind Chip Kelly at all. None of the coaches respect them,
Speaker 1: I mean, just hide it. So he's just kind of
Speaker 1: out there. And I'm not vouching for the journalism or
Speaker 1: you know, the industry, but like in your and everyone's jobs,
Speaker 1: there are people in your office that you don't respect,
Speaker 1: but you show respect by not openly like chastising them
Speaker 1: and and being to them like and I think with
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly like sometimes that's the way he is and
Speaker 1: that's why he Guess what I would say, though, is
Speaker 1: there is a certain level of honesty. I don't mind,
Speaker 1: and what is really being more respectful being nice to
Speaker 1: the person to their face, and then talking all sorts
Speaker 1: of trash about him to your friends. But I know
Speaker 1: that's fun or you know, you just are kind of
Speaker 1: who you are and you're honest about I think Kelly
Speaker 1: has a hard time hiding that that behavior that the
Speaker 1: same complaints everyone has about Chip Kelly or the ones
Speaker 1: people had about Bill Belichick when he started. Are we
Speaker 1: doing that again? I just think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: similar to coaches. Well, I mean, look at what you're
Speaker 1: saying he does. He talks down to reporters. That's what
Speaker 1: Belichick has been doing for you. A lot of people
Speaker 1: said that these sorts same sort of things about Westling
Speaker 1: when I tried to bring him into that sports media world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he hadn't really interacted with the outside world outside
Speaker 1: of Tybee Island for a while. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know about Bellichick and his younger years of the Browns,
Speaker 1: but like it's so Belichick's act with the media now
Speaker 1: like is totally fine because he is who he is.
Speaker 1: He's this legend that's winning super Bowls and going deep
Speaker 1: into the playoffs every year. But Chip Kelly, again, you know,
Speaker 1: you get to the playoffs before you to take on
Speaker 1: that persona as the of the note all. And Belichick
Speaker 1: always has his things, like he never shows up for
Speaker 1: the NFL Coaches photo like you can do it, never
Speaker 1: in it. But this year, I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: seeing this come across Twitter. He showed up for the photos.
Speaker 1: So maybe a kindler gentler to uh answer your question.
Speaker 1: Belichick was definitely ripped in his Cleveland years for his
Speaker 1: handling of the media. Oh yeah, he was killed. That
Speaker 1: was part of the reason they ran him out of town.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't It doesn't help when you, you know,
Speaker 1: cut Bernie kozar unapologize, which you know, to his credit,
Speaker 1: was the right move. Moving on the report at New
Speaker 1: York and the Giants, uh Eli Manning is up for
Speaker 1: a new contract after this year. He has signed that
Speaker 1: mega deal a few years back that made him the
Speaker 1: highest paid player in the league. He's got two more
Speaker 1: rings now. He's coming off a nice statistical season. But
Speaker 1: the Giants are comfortable letting Eli play out his contract
Speaker 1: this According to ESPN dot Com, uh Manning's camp is
Speaker 1: reportedly looking for a deal that with Trump with Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger just got five years million. But I imagine the
Speaker 1: Giants aren't excited about that. In West, I imagine you're
Speaker 1: not excited about the idea of giving a thirty three
Speaker 1: year old Eli Manning a one million dollar deal. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's what you pay for franchise quarterbacks. He's a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. I mean, that wouldn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1: I think that's the going rate. And he bounced back
Speaker 1: last year. As long as Odell Beckham's healthy, he was
Speaker 1: gonna play for What about if this was your team
Speaker 1: that you said you wanted to become a general manager,
Speaker 1: you'd be happy if someone let you run their front office.
Speaker 1: What if Eli Manning is your team? You're saying that's
Speaker 1: the going rate for franchise quarterbacks. But would you want
Speaker 1: to be bold and go elsewhere or just sign yourself
Speaker 1: up for five more years of Eli Manning? No, I
Speaker 1: would not be bold. I don't wow, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like you say this every podcast. This is shocking.
Speaker 1: What's happening franchise quarterback? I mean, if you don't have one,
Speaker 1: you're nothing. I didn't even realize that you regarded Manning
Speaker 1: in that way. So he's above the because this is
Speaker 1: really the test of the A D scale. Who's going
Speaker 1: to get these contracts? The A D scale, of course,
Speaker 1: being the Andy Dalton scale. He's the prime meridian of
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks for new listeners. Anyone above it, that's your
Speaker 1: that's a franchise quarterback. Anyone below it not so much,
Speaker 1: that's it. It's preposterous that he would get paid more
Speaker 1: than big band. That that I would have a problem with.
Speaker 1: But if you're the Giant, you have to pay him
Speaker 1: the going right. I disagree. This is where you should
Speaker 1: start getting creative. You said franchise quarterbacks don't get traded.
Speaker 1: See if you can get Eli Manning for a top
Speaker 1: five pick in a quarterback you like something like that
Speaker 1: because it's not gonna ever get any better for Eli
Speaker 1: Manny and what he's the fifteen best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league and he's thirty. I do think and Greg, you
Speaker 1: look at things of a very critical I very uh,
Speaker 1: you know, almost bloodthirsty in your ways to expand a
Speaker 1: program or make changes. Eli Manning has been the heart
Speaker 1: and soul of this team for a long time. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have. You're always looking to cut guys, move on,
Speaker 1: get out, signed new guy, get a young guy in there.
Speaker 1: Characters means a lot to the Giants franchise, so it
Speaker 1: would be very strange for them to to make some
Speaker 1: type of bold move to kick him out. Of town,
Speaker 1: especially when he's still playing at a highlight. That's fair,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't I was recommending this special Chris Wesley
Speaker 1: took over the Giants theory that he doesn't care about
Speaker 1: the Giants. Why would I trade Eli Manning when the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in this year's draft nobody is convinced that
Speaker 1: they're going to be great. I mean to me, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't even like Eli Manning and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade him. Uh. Speaking of the Giants, John Mara,
Speaker 1: who is the owner of the team, expects at least
Speaker 1: one team to move to Los Angeles next year. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is the quote he told a group of reporters
Speaker 1: in Phoenix. I think there's gonna be one to two
Speaker 1: teams playing in Los Angeles next year. We haven't talked
Speaker 1: about this stuff a lot on the POD, I think
Speaker 1: mostly because it's been a lot of you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of it's been about stadium sites and things of
Speaker 1: that nature, and it's there has been too much hard
Speaker 1: news about is. But the more we're hearing it sounds
Speaker 1: like this is finally going to happen. It's just a
Speaker 1: matter of which teams end up being playing in our
Speaker 1: backyard here right. Robert Kraft said the same thing on
Speaker 1: Monday at the owners meeting that he thinks two teams
Speaker 1: will be in l A next season. Crazy is harder
Speaker 1: about it. Which is crazy that this is some bold
Speaker 1: talk because there are so many obstacles to moving a team.
Speaker 1: But when Stan Cronky, the owner of the Rams, bought
Speaker 1: this land here in Los Angeles and Inglewood and really
Speaker 1: kick started this motion, it really inspired the Chargers and
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the NFL everyone to start moving because
Speaker 1: it was like Cronky just kind of put his chips
Speaker 1: in the table, didn't ask anyone to do it, and
Speaker 1: and just gotta go in. He he seems ready to move.
Speaker 1: He seems ready to go west. Any chance that you
Speaker 1: adopted one of the teams that moved to l A.
Speaker 1: You're starting to warm up to Los Angeles. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know you're loving living by the beach. The women in
Speaker 1: West are in the see eyed eye. Know you like
Speaker 1: beer and there's plenty of that here. There any chance
Speaker 1: that you would adopt an l A NFL franchise, I
Speaker 1: would not roll that out. There's like wow, I mean
Speaker 1: it would have to be an organic process where I
Speaker 1: just started naturally caring more about this team than other teams.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a there's a chance. Well, what if
Speaker 1: they likes enough to get a team out here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: get West involved. I mean, what if they moved like
Speaker 1: our they could move. Maybe what if we had our
Speaker 1: studios near the NFL team? Who knows? That'd be kind
Speaker 1: of inside information to you have No, I don't have anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what if they built a big complex
Speaker 1: or we could get seasoned, you know, we'd go down
Speaker 1: there cover a bunch of games. Who knows? So the Rams,
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and the Chargers, I guess I'll just pose
Speaker 1: to you, if you were going to be a fan,
Speaker 1: which which team would you want moving here as a fan?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I feel like the Rams make
Speaker 1: the most sense because of their history in Los Angeles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I love the Raiders franchise from the sixties, seventies,
Speaker 1: and eighties. I don't like what they've become, but I
Speaker 1: do have a fondness for what they stood for were
Speaker 1: as outsiders in the nineteen seventies. I like this, By
Speaker 1: the way, I like where we're going on this. Chargers
Speaker 1: has Philip Rivers too. I know that short term thinking,
Speaker 1: and they also started as the Los Angeles Chargers in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. I mean, this is it's been circling
Speaker 1: for twenty years, and now it's at the point where
Speaker 1: I think the NFL would be really disappointed if if
Speaker 1: some of these don't happen. But could we say it's happening,
Speaker 1: but we don't really know because the St. Louis situation
Speaker 1: is tricky. There's you know, Albert Brier wrote a piece
Speaker 1: on the site with it which is worth checking out,
Speaker 1: which explains some of the complications and and one of
Speaker 1: them is that St. Louis in the state of Missouri
Speaker 1: is pushing really hard to keep the Rams, so it's
Speaker 1: not the best look for the Rams to leave at
Speaker 1: this point. Could you see the Rams going to l
Speaker 1: A and then the Raiders moving to St. Louis. Well,
Speaker 1: Brier brought up that possibility, right, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think maybe Peter King brought it up. Uh they were.
Speaker 1: Now we're getting into wild black hole like start to
Speaker 1: like crowding into the Edward James almost home. That is
Speaker 1: so depressing. I thought, uh it, it doesn't really make
Speaker 1: sense to me. We've heard a lot of crazy things
Speaker 1: if you made a list of the crazy things that
Speaker 1: had to do with Los Angeles in the NFL in
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, I mean there's been a lot,
Speaker 1: so who knows. I don't really believe any of this,
Speaker 1: Still what happens. Moving on to other topics, the Steelers
Speaker 1: are bringing back James Harrison. This is a nice little
Speaker 1: late career comeback for Harrison, who now gets a two
Speaker 1: year deal will be his twelfth season in Pittsburgh. He's
Speaker 1: been cut multiple times over that spin uh and spent
Speaker 1: one year in Cincinnati. As we know, it's two thousand thirteen.
Speaker 1: He had some really nice moments. Last season with the
Speaker 1: Steelers was a really a bright spot for them. I
Speaker 1: think he gave them much more than they realized. So
Speaker 1: now West they bring him back and see if you
Speaker 1: can do a little more. Yeah, he um captured the
Speaker 1: air quotes here fountain of youth last year and what
Speaker 1: are you getting at? I cannot say any more than that.
Speaker 1: But he was the best player on their defense for
Speaker 1: a good portion of the second half of the season,
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know why it took so long,
Speaker 1: but always thought it made more sense for him to
Speaker 1: come back. Where now five years removed from wren Sap
Speaker 1: calling the Steelers defense old and slow. Remember that and
Speaker 1: they still have That was five years ago. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm just making up years. It was at least three,
Speaker 1: It was at least and it was I think it
Speaker 1: was three years ago. Now, my you know, relationship with
Speaker 1: the facts not always that strong either way. Is it important?
Speaker 1: That was a while ago and we still have Paulo,
Speaker 1: Malo and Harrison on this defense. It's like they can't
Speaker 1: let go of This is going to be gone one
Speaker 1: way or another, right And I don't think so at
Speaker 1: this point. I think he's gonna be on the team now.
Speaker 1: I mean he's there there under the cap. They're not
Speaker 1: spending any money. I think this was a Rooneys did
Speaker 1: not want to let this guy go. I think he's there.
Speaker 1: The damascheck the self stylized h Lester bangs downstairs in
Speaker 1: the newsroom. He's getting a little restless about the Steelers
Speaker 1: not really doing a lot this offseason. But I guess
Speaker 1: like that's always the Steelers. Since when did they have
Speaker 1: an active free agency period that you remember? They signed
Speaker 1: a couple of guys last year, But you're I mean,
Speaker 1: they tend to do things like the Packers do things right,
Speaker 1: except they spend They don't spend it smartly as smartly
Speaker 1: as the Packers had. By the way, looked it up.
Speaker 1: Warren Sapp split the difference four years ago. It was
Speaker 1: a while ago, two thousand eleven, right, and they've remade
Speaker 1: most of that defense. I think the Steelers just need
Speaker 1: the first round picks to work out. Greg Greg straight
Speaker 1: up almost vindicated, saying I just wanted to get the facts.
Speaker 1: So important fact good factor. Uh. Moving on, we Uh.
Speaker 1: The NFL community lost one over their legends. Uh this
Speaker 1: past weekend. Philadelphia Eagles Hall of Famer Chuck but Nerik
Speaker 1: passed away Saturday morning, uh, following a brief illness in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: He was eighty nine years old. West. You are a
Speaker 1: certified football head, and you wrote up a really nice
Speaker 1: piece looking back at but Nerik's career. He was, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the true iron men of all time in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, Yeah, I think the first three things
Speaker 1: that you think of with with Chuck ben Eric he's
Speaker 1: the last two way player. He was an All Pro
Speaker 1: linebacker and center and um the nineteen sixty championship game
Speaker 1: he had he played both positions fifty eight and a
Speaker 1: half of the sixty minutes and sat on uh Jim Taylor,
Speaker 1: the Packers Hall of Fame fullback as time expired to
Speaker 1: to wrap up that game. Uh. And then the other things.
Speaker 1: He has one of the coolest nicknames and one of
Speaker 1: the most fitting nicknames, Concrete Charlie. He's from a different era.
Speaker 1: And it's actually not because of his playing style. It's
Speaker 1: because he sold concrete as his other job. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing about him is they hit
Speaker 1: on Frank Gifford. Uh. It's known as the tackle when
Speaker 1: he basically sent Frank Gifford out of the NFL for
Speaker 1: a year due to concussions in nineteen days. He didn't
Speaker 1: play eighteen months. And it's just amazing, you know, you
Speaker 1: think about how much the game has changed. He's he
Speaker 1: was a big part of his career. Was celebrated for
Speaker 1: that hit. It would not happen that way now a
Speaker 1: similar player. It was a player of that. Frank Gifford was,
Speaker 1: you know, uh in New York anyway, he was like
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter in New York, the biggest star in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He had, he had the good looks, he had the fame.
Speaker 1: He was a great player as a running back and receiver.
Speaker 1: And I think it was a tougher time, not just
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but in America at the time. These
Speaker 1: guys are all coming out of Chuck bec Nerrick ran
Speaker 1: thirty missions in World War Two. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it was just that, you know, you didn't worry about concussions,
Speaker 1: you worried about dying. It was it was a different
Speaker 1: time too. I mean, you have to imagine. That's imagine
Speaker 1: if a hit like that happened in today's game to
Speaker 1: knock out one of the game's pre eminent stars for
Speaker 1: a year and a half. I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: was one of the biggest hits, the biggest plays in
Speaker 1: NFL history. It's still it still is. When uh Frank
Speaker 1: Gifford first started dating Kathy Lee, Wow, he told her,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get used to hearing the word
Speaker 1: bet erka up. It's funny. A great little bed Nerrick
Speaker 1: nugget in West's post. He played through a torn triceps.
Speaker 1: It was so severely torn that it left a lump
Speaker 1: by his elbow, which is just gross. And he wouldn't
Speaker 1: let a doctor go near his arm when it happened,
Speaker 1: so Chuck, but Nerik rest in peace, one of the
Speaker 1: great ones. All right, now, let's move on. And we
Speaker 1: have our two colleagues in Arizona that are covering all
Speaker 1: the league events going on right now. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff cooking in Arizona between the Veteran combine
Speaker 1: and the owner's meetings and all the breakfast. Is that
Speaker 1: Mark's getting involved with so Greg it makes it makes
Speaker 1: too much sense to get both the Sizzler Quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and the great Space Ghost on the line
Speaker 1: at the same time. And could this be facilitated? Is
Speaker 1: anyone there? Oh? There they are, I hear them both.
Speaker 1: Look at this text. We have moved forward as a
Speaker 1: podcast because last year Mark and I just passed the
Speaker 1: phone back and forth to each other while you were jogging.
Speaker 1: Let's start, let's start there. By the way, has there
Speaker 1: been any yagga, No connor. We have not done any
Speaker 1: exercise of any sort. I'd say, these guys to go
Speaker 1: to dinner last night, though, right, I mean I planned.
Speaker 1: I planned like there's like a little paradise trail. But
Speaker 1: then Mark was like, let's go get a beer at
Speaker 1: the Tilty Kilt, and that sounded way better to me.
Speaker 1: It sounds like mad. All right, well, let's start, gentlemen
Speaker 1: um and really, you guys are doing a great job there.
Speaker 1: We're reading your dispatches. Uh back here in the on
Speaker 1: the mother ship from the veteran combine, Why don't we
Speaker 1: start there where we heard from one scout actually called it.
Speaker 1: He said it was the veteran comment was like watching
Speaker 1: old Yeller get shot a hundred and five times? Now,
Speaker 1: can you can you back up that claim or that opinion?
Speaker 1: Was it? That? Was it that tough to watch these
Speaker 1: older players trying to get back in the league and
Speaker 1: not playing. Yeah, I think, like you trying to go ahead.
Speaker 1: I think that there were certain drills, certain aspects of it, like, um,
Speaker 1: you know Jamala Anderson and Adam Character. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: like watching them do some of the some of the
Speaker 1: bag drills, some of the movement drills, and it's just
Speaker 1: you know, just not just them in particular, but there's
Speaker 1: such like a stiffness from some of these guys, and
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, you can tell that they're out
Speaker 1: of the league for a reason. And outside of like
Speaker 1: two or three people, I mean the fact that they
Speaker 1: weren't in the league made absolute sense, especially especially after
Speaker 1: we were all at the Combine in February. When you
Speaker 1: see these guys that are twenty years old and are
Speaker 1: there basically their pick peak fitness. You're watching those same drills,
Speaker 1: I would assume, and you're and it's just a it's
Speaker 1: a different ballgame. It's crazy to me how much these
Speaker 1: guys are changing physically over a short period of time,
Speaker 1: some of them, I think also. I mean those college
Speaker 1: guys are training specifically for months for track type events,
Speaker 1: and these veterans, like for instance, when we talked to
Speaker 1: Michael Bush, he said, you know, he never went to
Speaker 1: the Combine because he heard his knee come out of college.
Speaker 1: He had never even done like a shuttle run or
Speaker 1: a cone drill or a forty in front of scouts,
Speaker 1: and it was totally an alien world to him, and
Speaker 1: he failed. Yeah, he was. Your quotes from him, Mark
Speaker 1: were the most memorable. Really, um, what what did he
Speaker 1: say to you? Exactly? You told him that he had
Speaker 1: an unofficial four nine one and then he was mortified. No,
Speaker 1: I did not drop that bomb on him. Another heartless
Speaker 1: writer told him that, and you know he he did.
Speaker 1: He had come off the the field and thought he
Speaker 1: had done real well, and there were just a couple
Speaker 1: of us standing there and we were asking, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you think you did? And when he learned
Speaker 1: his time like thousand yards stare, I mean, he knew
Speaker 1: right then that it was over, and he expressed, in
Speaker 1: his words batically said, there goes my career. And it
Speaker 1: was one of the more awkward moments I've ever spent
Speaker 1: was any athlete, because he knew it and there was
Speaker 1: no coming back, and people kept asking more questions like
Speaker 1: let this guy go. Well, the Cardinals did sign someone
Speaker 1: from the veteran combine, Nathan Slaughter, So there's your trivia answer.
Speaker 1: They got someone a job, and I suspect there'll be
Speaker 1: a handful more, you know. Danie Jeremiah talking about it,
Speaker 1: thought Mike Cofka look good. He thought some people there
Speaker 1: did impress enough that they're going to end up with
Speaker 1: a team, But it didn't seem like it's going to
Speaker 1: be a big influx or anything like that. What else,
Speaker 1: guys are what else are you seeing? What have you
Speaker 1: seen today? What's happening at the UH? It's a pretty
Speaker 1: ritzy place you guys are staying at? Correct? Oh? Please?
Speaker 1: What do you mean no, please, the listeners don't know
Speaker 1: what's it like? Well, I mean, Connor, you you try
Speaker 1: to explain, like how where we're at was fine dinner
Speaker 1: the other night. Well, like it's a uh I would say,
Speaker 1: like whenever we tell anybody that we're actually staying here,
Speaker 1: we get like the roll the eyes, like you guys,
Speaker 1: because it's pretty awesome. I mean there's like all these
Speaker 1: fountains and palm trees and fresh flowers and cucumber infused water.
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds awful everywhere. You know, I hate
Speaker 1: ce com I mean, you know it's it's it's tough
Speaker 1: out of here. Mark, you tweeted out a photo of
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly walking around with the book bag, or at
Speaker 1: least you had a dispatch saying that's that? What was
Speaker 1: what was happening? Any other like interesting sightings? I know
Speaker 1: last year, Mark, you you saw like Belichick and a
Speaker 1: speedo in the lobby or something. I remember a story
Speaker 1: like that. Well, he continues to prance around with Linda
Speaker 1: Holiday wherever he goes, and we saw her along with
Speaker 1: him today. Well they were, you know, that's he looked
Speaker 1: very relaxed in a denim shirt with the buttons down
Speaker 1: quite a bit. And you know, other than that, like
Speaker 1: the reason Kelly stuck out to me, because there was
Speaker 1: no one out at the hotel at all at you know,
Speaker 1: five thirty and the more it was like six in
Speaker 1: the morning, except this one girl like eating breakfast and
Speaker 1: reading a book and like Chip killing Chip. Kelly CON's
Speaker 1: walking by her. She doesn't know who he is at all.
Speaker 1: She's just a vacation goer. Like this guy is a
Speaker 1: completely different read. No one else was up for another.
Speaker 1: Well you were there. You're a different breed. Why were
Speaker 1: you up, you know, walking around? And I belonged to
Speaker 1: around the NFL and we were getting an early start.
Speaker 1: I was about to go to meet Connor outside. So
Speaker 1: speaks to what you got going on here, right, So
Speaker 1: let's start, Yeah, before we let you guys, because you've
Speaker 1: got to get back to work. This isn't you're staying
Speaker 1: at a luxury resort, but that doesn't mean you're on
Speaker 1: vacation fellas. And uh, you know the competition committee that's
Speaker 1: a big part of these owner meetings, and I guess
Speaker 1: the biggest thing to come out of that was to
Speaker 1: catch no catch. Uh. They It was discussed during a
Speaker 1: press conference, But it still leaves a lot to the
Speaker 1: imagination of what actually is changing what it was. It's
Speaker 1: still a very murky thing, correct, Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting is it's basically what what happened
Speaker 1: from was they said it was a clarification of the language,
Speaker 1: but afterwards there were still plenty of questions about the
Speaker 1: clarification of the language, and like to the point where,
Speaker 1: you know, we kept watching the does Bryant catch over
Speaker 1: and over again and somebody asked team Blendin know, well,
Speaker 1: how is reaching for the pylon not considered a football move?
Speaker 1: And you know he said that that was heavily in discussion.
Speaker 1: So I think that this rule is just going to
Speaker 1: be as ominous and confusing as it ever. Well, what
Speaker 1: was the change? Do you can you explain it? That? Basically,
Speaker 1: I I, as far as I can understand it, football
Speaker 1: move is no longer a part of it. That a
Speaker 1: wide receiver now has to establish himself as a runner
Speaker 1: to complete the act of a catch, and there's no
Speaker 1: more football move talk. I don't know what that, but
Speaker 1: what it comes down to is that the Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: catches still not a catch and as long as that's
Speaker 1: the truth that they still got this spots. It's still wrong. Wes.
Speaker 1: You had a tweet about it that you were unhappy
Speaker 1: with this for the same reasons. How do they got
Speaker 1: to rectify that? I think gets the worst role in
Speaker 1: professional sports. I think it takes away from the integrity
Speaker 1: of the game when the average viewer and frankly, referees,
Speaker 1: coaches and players don't know what it catches, and they
Speaker 1: still won't know to catch us after this. Alright, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: it's one writer here who like was right after that
Speaker 1: competition committee charged with writing, you know, a long write
Speaker 1: up on that specific subject. That is someone that I know.
Speaker 1: And he turned around. He was like, I'm sorry, He's like,
Speaker 1: I have to write this thing. Can you do you
Speaker 1: have any idea what they were saying? What was half
Speaker 1: for clarification? Well, was that person Connor? It was because
Speaker 1: Connor is writing that and I had the same conversation
Speaker 1: with him. He didn't say that to me, but I
Speaker 1: asked him, Kenny write about this, and I said, honestly,
Speaker 1: after watching that, I'm I'm not exactly sure how like
Speaker 1: this is when I'm just like, you take care of this, Connor,
Speaker 1: because I have no idea. There's more of a silent
Speaker 1: panic going on, and this is going to be bad.
Speaker 1: It sounds bad. It sounds like a gentlemen. So far,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of you know, late nights.
Speaker 1: I want there to be at least one night where
Speaker 1: the quiet Storm collides with the space ghost and then
Speaker 1: everything just goes off. So that is to me and Greg.
Speaker 1: Greg's boss, So he's giving you major assignments. The assignment
Speaker 1: that I am handing out is the party. Well we've
Speaker 1: been friced out of the market early, but um you know,
Speaker 1: we'll have to make a go of it. Like we
Speaker 1: I think we've been in bed before nine pm both nights.
Speaker 1: You know what, we're hard working together, we're hard working
Speaker 1: individuals in bed before nine I can't buy that back.
Speaker 1: LUs to exaggerate. All right, gentlemen, thank you for all
Speaker 1: the work that you do, and please return home soon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've seen how you operate, Cessler. You can't Sessler trying
Speaker 1: to pull the wool over eyes est tell me what,
Speaker 1: tell him what's happened? I um, Mark was in bed
Speaker 1: well before, like he's in his room, in his room. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he ducked in the room changed into his night owl
Speaker 1: suit and then left. All right anyway, And that phone
Speaker 1: call at the beginning of the podcast was Mark calling
Speaker 1: in forty minutes early, so that Mark is always beyond
Speaker 1: punctual and it rings true with phone calls as well. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Enjoy your cucumber water boys. All right,
Speaker 1: those are the heroes on site and in Arizona, so
Speaker 1: they'll continue to keep us in the Loopal Mark be
Speaker 1: back with us on Wednesday. Yeah, he will be here
Speaker 1: on Thursday for our final, which is the most important
Speaker 1: show of the week because of course it is the
Speaker 1: return of Wait wait wait. You would think a game
Speaker 1: that's the building and it's a recognition around the globe
Speaker 1: would get a better sound drop. We might have to
Speaker 1: work on that one that is by foot let me
Speaker 1: here one more time. Wait wait wait. Also it cuts
Speaker 1: off earlier that TV. We got to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, let's do a whole new thing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be that sort of theme. It could be
Speaker 1: a little happier, but it's not. It's not West his
Speaker 1: toaster anymore technically, but that's a good It's in my
Speaker 1: desk drawer. Let's just say the last two people that
Speaker 1: have one your toaster, neither one as West. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We wes his third removed right now
Speaker 1: from winning this. This is why we need to start
Speaker 1: the game up against the West can start to piece
Speaker 1: it all back together. I'm looking forward to forward to
Speaker 1: it after the long layoff. It's not my fault that
Speaker 1: you would not grant me a match that you were scared.
Speaker 1: You ran scared, John King, just like the vanderhola Field
Speaker 1: and Charlie Steiner. Uh, come get your whooping, Rosenthal. I like,
Speaker 1: before we get to our last topic, I just want to,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm getting a ton of heat on
Speaker 1: Twitter apparently Thursday show. I didn't even realize I did it,
Speaker 1: but everyone and a lot of people took umbradge with it. Uh.
Speaker 1: The UK came up with it, which is of course
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, and I think I made a reference
Speaker 1: to England, so a lot of angry people I would
Speaker 1: have think from Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland, but
Speaker 1: not Ireland and perhaps even Guernsey according to West. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know you're all part of the United Kingdom, not
Speaker 1: just England. So I apologize to the UK. One final
Speaker 1: note about last Thursday's episode. It is now the most
Speaker 1: downloaded episode in around the NFL history. Two weeks in
Speaker 1: a row, we had We've had that two weeks in
Speaker 1: a row. Thursday Show. Okay, good, very good, great knowledge.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's get into it. Zach Goldman behind
Speaker 1: the glass of that show, it was, Yes, what do
Speaker 1: you think? I think? Well, I don't want to ruin
Speaker 1: this whole theory, but TD's information is completely wrong. It
Speaker 1: was Wednesday show, so you know you gotta be on
Speaker 1: top of things. Well was the Thursday show show last week?
Speaker 1: Are right? Mr fact guy? All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: players who benefited or were hurt by free agency? Um
Speaker 1: Mark Cessler and I both wrote pieces where we kind
Speaker 1: of laid out, uh some players both four and against
Speaker 1: or pro free agency in terms again being in being
Speaker 1: in a better position and being in a worst position.
Speaker 1: Uh So why don't we, now the three of us
Speaker 1: throw out some names, and uh, I guess I'll start
Speaker 1: with one, Um that I think that Ryan Tannehill is
Speaker 1: in a better position this year. I'll throw Tannehill. This
Speaker 1: is Greg's boy, but I just want to mix it
Speaker 1: up a little bit. And UH mentioned Tannehill because I
Speaker 1: think they did right by him by getting Mike Wallace
Speaker 1: out the door first and foremost. That was not a
Speaker 1: good uh and not a good setup. They gave it
Speaker 1: two years to try to make it work. It did
Speaker 1: not work. They ship him out of town. They get
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills, which is a very nice trade, so it
Speaker 1: gives him another chance. Jordan Cameron, who I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of and and by law of God hating the Browns.
Speaker 1: You know he's gonna have a big year this year
Speaker 1: in Miami. So you've got two big players there. And
Speaker 1: then of course when you sign Dominican Sue, it has
Speaker 1: an effect on both sides of the ball that will
Speaker 1: change their defense, that will make things easier potentially for
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. So I am saying Ryan Tannehill has benefited
Speaker 1: from free agency gentleman salary cap implacations aside. Is their
Speaker 1: wide receiver corps better now than it was a year ago.
Speaker 1: I think they're and they have those Philadelphia roots there
Speaker 1: with Bill Laser did they are treating wide receiver kind
Speaker 1: of like Chip Kelly's tweeting right treating wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: mean their top receivers are Still's, Matthews and Jarvis Landry.
Speaker 1: They think the system is going to carry it over.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd be a little worried there. There's
Speaker 1: something to be said for that. I think Tannehill probably
Speaker 1: throw most short passes of any quarterback in the NFL
Speaker 1: list year. They don't go down the field at all.
Speaker 1: And this is I mean, this is gonna be Tannehill's
Speaker 1: fourth year. Correct correct If he does not make the
Speaker 1: leap this year, I guess we kind of know what
Speaker 1: he is at this point, which is kind of like
Speaker 1: a guy hanging out right on the right on the Dalton.
Speaker 1: I think he's above it. I think he's significantly above it,
Speaker 1: significantly if he puts together. The question is can you
Speaker 1: do it year after year? But I think based on
Speaker 1: just last year he was a top twelve thirteen guy.
Speaker 1: He's right there with Eli Manning or above Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: And again, I just want to see it year after
Speaker 1: year from him. Yeah the doll I just did a
Speaker 1: post before. It is a gimmick offense. It's a combination
Speaker 1: of Chip Kelly's and what Kyle Shanahan ran in RG
Speaker 1: three's rookie year. But he has athleticism. I think he's
Speaker 1: a that's true but he's better at running it than
Speaker 1: any of the Chip Kelly offense guys. Yeah, and the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: You know you said that we'll find out. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: said today, your boy Tannenbaum said, we're gonna make him
Speaker 1: a very rich man. Did they identify him as a
Speaker 1: true franchise quarterback? Well, Tannenbaum also identified Mark Sanchez. It's
Speaker 1: a true franchise quarterback. And I like Mike Tannebaum. But
Speaker 1: Mr tuh Greg, what do you got there? You got
Speaker 1: one for benefited by by or hurt by? I can't
Speaker 1: believe this guy didn't make it onto your list. I'm
Speaker 1: not even kidding here. Matt Castle of the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: they're better. He's gonna win that starting job. You put
Speaker 1: him in a position he's facing off EJ. EJ. Mayor
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor and he's throwing a clay Harvin, Watkins and Woods.
Speaker 1: That is a good looking group. He's throwing short passes
Speaker 1: west asks. But he's better admitted who stock Castle fetish
Speaker 1: has reached new loads because he's I mean, are we
Speaker 1: sure he can beat out Tyrod Taylor? That's what I'm
Speaker 1: That's what I'm betting on. He was trying to beat
Speaker 1: out Teddy Bridgewriter, so that was never happening. So he's
Speaker 1: benefited much easier, and he's benefited. My point is that's
Speaker 1: a great little group around him, and I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you can coach him up and it'll be fine. I
Speaker 1: like Greg Roman, a lot of people that can benefit
Speaker 1: from this. All right, I mean you're right, because if
Speaker 1: I'm putting Gino Smith on this list, it obviously is
Speaker 1: in a list of all guys I think are gonna
Speaker 1: be really good this year, and Blake Bortles for that matter.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. For some reason, when I think
Speaker 1: of the Bills quarterback situation, it's even it's a hopeless void.
Speaker 1: And I think whoever they put in there is gonn
Speaker 1: struggle until they get somebody new in town. But he's
Speaker 1: there's no doubting that whoever starts as in a decent position. Well,
Speaker 1: I think he could be closer to a Josh McCown
Speaker 1: in Chicago type of Okay, that's see. I'd believe, Uh,
Speaker 1: my number one guy who won the last few weeks
Speaker 1: is C. J. Spiller. Oh I like that. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: I know Greg thinks that I overvalue him a little bit.
Speaker 1: His two thousand and twelve game film is the closest
Speaker 1: I've seen to an early career Chris Johnson. That explosiveness
Speaker 1: um in space and short areas. I haven't seen that
Speaker 1: kind of lateral agility from any other player. And he's
Speaker 1: going to a coach who knows how to use that,
Speaker 1: whereas Doug Marone and Nathaniel Hackett did not know how
Speaker 1: to use that. They tried to run him between the tackles,
Speaker 1: and he's he he refuses to run between the tackles.
Speaker 1: I think this was I think we'll see him. He
Speaker 1: could be a superstar in the NFL. Wow like that.
Speaker 1: The Ingram Spiller tag team my favorite running back tag
Speaker 1: team in the NFL right now? Why do you why
Speaker 1: do you think the Jets and Chan Gilly didn't go
Speaker 1: after him? I thought that was I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: a good question. It's not a good sign. I don't
Speaker 1: think I do wonder what Spiller did you see that
Speaker 1: explosiveness when he was on the field last year? Because
Speaker 1: he high ankle sprains and other injuries, you'll see it
Speaker 1: in flashes. I he just has to get in space
Speaker 1: like he's not a guy who's gonna break tackles. Here's
Speaker 1: West's fascination with Spiller that I that I do totally understand.
Speaker 1: He's one of the rare players that have come out
Speaker 1: like Percy Harvin, another guy that West loves, that can
Speaker 1: make the rest of the NFL look slow, that looks
Speaker 1: like he's on another plane. And there's only a few
Speaker 1: of those guys that come along one, one or two
Speaker 1: a year, and Spiller is one of those guys. All right,
Speaker 1: give me one, I'll give you one. I'll piggyback off
Speaker 1: a little bit off Mark's list who he throughout four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that he thought got worse. I think I agree
Speaker 1: with this first one he has here, Tony Romo. Uh,
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Romo last year and why they
Speaker 1: were so great on offenses because they did they kind
Speaker 1: of ran it through DeMarco Murray and then made Tony
Speaker 1: Romo not be under the same amount of pressure on
Speaker 1: a week to week basis that he had been in
Speaker 1: recent years. And that's why I just I still don't
Speaker 1: get why they didn't work harder or try harder to
Speaker 1: get a deal done. Get to Marco Murray back in
Speaker 1: that locker room. I think they're gonna miss him now
Speaker 1: lest I know, we've talked about what if Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: ends up in Dallas. I don't know if that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe they go and get one of these running backs
Speaker 1: in the draft and then he turns into a stud
Speaker 1: and then away we go. But Darren McFadden doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything for me for obvious reasons. And if you take
Speaker 1: him out of there, if you take to Marco Murray
Speaker 1: in there, and whoever ends ends up going in that
Speaker 1: spot isn't as productive, then all that pressure goes back
Speaker 1: on Romo like it was in the bad old days,
Speaker 1: and you're standing in another eight and eight and maybe
Speaker 1: another injury to Romo. It does make me think about
Speaker 1: whether they will remain or run first team regardless of
Speaker 1: their running back. I kind of think they will. I
Speaker 1: mean they'll have to, they have to draft someone. But
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go away from that pound
Speaker 1: pound the ball. I think they're just gonna hope that
Speaker 1: the offensive line is the reason why they were so good.
Speaker 1: It's a big risk. The number two guy on my
Speaker 1: Winner's list is McFadden. Oh my gosh, you know, hold
Speaker 1: hope you're making fun of me for Castle and you're
Speaker 1: still pumping up old Darren McFadden. I mean, watch the tape.
Speaker 1: B It's not just that he's on the Raiders. Watch him.
Speaker 1: He can't break a tackle. I can't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were paying attention there. But West's body language
Speaker 1: as he said that utter Chip Kelly level confidence in
Speaker 1: his head. Nod at Greg as he said Darren McFadden.
Speaker 1: But just like I take your castle and I'll one up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think McFadden. I've said this before. He's
Speaker 1: the most dependent running back in the league on his
Speaker 1: offensive line, and I think if you open up holes
Speaker 1: for him, he's going to produce. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: better than Joseph Randall. I think I think he's well.
Speaker 1: Joseph Randall's not. We don't even know if he's not
Speaker 1: a real starter. Joseph Randol's a role player. How come
Speaker 1: Latavia's Murray found great success behind that Oakland line, but
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden couldn't. That's a good question. Yeah, maybe they
Speaker 1: should bring in Lottavia's Murray. He's one of the biggest winners.
Speaker 1: Free agency got a new center, Rodney Hudson, get negative.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be positive. We'll do whatever you want. I
Speaker 1: don't care. I was just gonna go well for the
Speaker 1: obvious one. Andrew Luck. Okay, let's hear it. I mean
Speaker 1: you get rid of Reggie Wayne, who was basically an albatross.
Speaker 1: Hakim Nicks was so poor in Indianapolis last year that
Speaker 1: no one assigned him to this point, no one's even
Speaker 1: that interested. He couldn't separate. And then you add Johnson
Speaker 1: and Gore a lot of mental power. Still some savvy nous.
Speaker 1: Don't forget Harriman's Harriman's at guard. I'm just you know there.
Speaker 1: They were loaded last year with the very flawed group,
Speaker 1: and now they're better. That's my guy, like it, Wes,
Speaker 1: give us another one. We gotta get out of here.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want. Bradford, Okay, yeah, that's a big one. Sam.
Speaker 1: Bradford goes from Brian Schottenheimer and some detective named Frank
Speaker 1: Signetti Frank Signetti to Chip Kelly and what Greg has
Speaker 1: dubbed a quarterback proof offense. Everyone who plays quarterback and
Speaker 1: that offensive cells like that. I think it's that simple.
Speaker 1: He did blow his knee out two years in a row,
Speaker 1: but I guess that has nothing to do whether he's
Speaker 1: helped or hurt by free agency. Either way, Jordan Matthews
Speaker 1: could be another one helped helped, He could be how many? Well,
Speaker 1: that's we felt for this last year though, just assuming
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles will spread around. But you're right,
Speaker 1: he is in position at the moment that Jordan Mattews
Speaker 1: hype a little bit. But he had yards as a rookie.
Speaker 1: That's pretty People in fantasy leagues were treating him like
Speaker 1: you had taken the first five rounds. That's ridiculous. I'll
Speaker 1: throw another one out there, since he already came up. Uh,
Speaker 1: and his quarterback came out to Jordan Cameron like him
Speaker 1: getting out from under that dark cloud in Cleveland with
Speaker 1: all that QB mess and uh, you know, going to
Speaker 1: Miami with a quarterback that in his fourth year who's
Speaker 1: made gains each and every season, give him a real weapon.
Speaker 1: Jordan Cameron stays healthy. Yum, we're looking at the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's guaranteed. In fact, I'll put a sandwich on Jordan
Speaker 1: Cameron is going to the Pro Bowl just because of
Speaker 1: the Browns. If he says he, I'll take that alright
Speaker 1: that in a second. Wait, can we say he has
Speaker 1: to be chop chop, chop it to the initial provo.
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be the seventh alternate, but
Speaker 1: that's the part of the no then I'm not so
Speaker 1: you're not gonna take it, not if the count the
Speaker 1: alternates just he was on the original Pro Bowl roster.
Speaker 1: Al right, first whatever, Yeah, sure, that's fine, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Chomp chomp, chomp, chomp chomp. Alright, one more someone throwing
Speaker 1: out a juicer man. All I was thinking was poor
Speaker 1: Terrence Knight, and I thought he was going to get
Speaker 1: a big contract. Instead, he has to go from Denver
Speaker 1: to Washington on another lousy deal. He ate himself out
Speaker 1: of it, He ate himself into the loser list. Shocking
Speaker 1: that a man nicknamed pot Ross would do that. It's
Speaker 1: just one of the all time stuntes. West he got
Speaker 1: one more real quick, a winner. Whatever. Uh, Blake Bortles, Bordo,
Speaker 1: I call him Bordo. Julius. You gets Julius Thomas. They're
Speaker 1: trying to help they have one of the worst offensive
Speaker 1: lines in the NFL. They at least signed a guy,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Parnell. Uh. Those are two nice pieces and we'll
Speaker 1: see what they do. The draft I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing with him though, is he has to fix his
Speaker 1: mechanical flow and his delivery, which he was maybe one
Speaker 1: of the most impressive quarterbacks we saw in the preseason
Speaker 1: and then fell into a bad habit where he started
Speaker 1: throwing like a baseball pitcher and that really sunk his season.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't do that, should definitely throw like a football player. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's my analysis, alright, So that's it. So that's it
Speaker 1: for another edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We
Speaker 1: got two more shows this week, uh, including of course
Speaker 1: Thursday's big show with the toaster on the line. On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna have some great football chatter. Do
Speaker 1: we have anything set up for Wednesday? I thought we
Speaker 1: already have some. We're gonna do some positional power rankings
Speaker 1: of the divisions division power rankings. I don't even really
Speaker 1: know what it exactly entails yet, but we're gonna rank
Speaker 1: the divisions. And if we weren't planning to do it,
Speaker 1: now we've locked ourselves into it, so it's happening, So
Speaker 1: get ready for that. I think the gold standard. We'll
Speaker 1: be behind the glass on Wednesday, and then t D
Speaker 1: is taken back over for Thursday is important like that TD.
Speaker 1: That's shows something. Yeah, it's showing He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want gold standard here from wester I want to be here.
Speaker 1: You know. It showed me something, especially after I listened
Speaker 1: to the show I missed and t D was taking
Speaker 1: some shots at me. You know, at the same time
Speaker 1: I get it, like he says, Dan's you know sometimes
Speaker 1: it's a pain. But at the same time, when I
Speaker 1: see you getting on that Thursday's show because you you
Speaker 1: you know, it's one that you should be on, it
Speaker 1: makes me think, man, you know what, it's the right
Speaker 1: guy for the job. He's starting to get it some leadership.
Speaker 1: It's like the opposite of that Belichick West Welker scene
Speaker 1: where he's like, way to compete West? All right? So
Speaker 1: that's it. This is Dan Hansis signing off for the
Speaker 1: Mailman and for the Boss and t D Behind the
Speaker 1: Glass and uh from Arizona, both Quiet Storm and Ghost Protocol.
Speaker 1: We will see you on Wednesday, wh