Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is the real MVP. Welcome
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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis and I am joined by a room
Speaker 1: Phil Lo Heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rosatal. What's
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Speaker 1: gate with that money tag? I missed it calling ourselves
Speaker 1: the m v P. It's a reference to another sport,
Speaker 1: aligned by another player in another sport. So you the
Speaker 1: ego list act, come on, you know, unnecessarily a nice
Speaker 1: popular podcast. Just embrace it for once, you know, be happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. I mean, we had a monster day
Speaker 1: of stories and we couldn't even put out the podcast
Speaker 1: last night because you just wanted to get that special
Speaker 1: coat for today in this one male other giant coat,
Speaker 1: good looking jacket. Look, last time I came in here,
Speaker 1: it was a polar temperatures. I prepare this time and
Speaker 1: it's very hot in here now. By the way, what
Speaker 1: what are we even talking about? There's only one thing
Speaker 1: that matters. Oh my goodness, Oh Greg Revas. Do the jets? Greg?
Speaker 1: How about that? I like them? Apples? Mr New England,
Speaker 1: on your throne of ease, it's kind of fun. I
Speaker 1: mean after you had already you know, cashed in with
Speaker 1: your you know, nine to five yesterday I wrote that
Speaker 1: Revis did you say cash? You know? Really I wrote
Speaker 1: that Revas post and I couldn't have been more complimentary
Speaker 1: of the whole thing. It's it's exciting. It's a big
Speaker 1: it's a big loss for the Patriots, no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: But it does make the a f C East more fun.
Speaker 1: And we're not shocked. When we left the podcast studio
Speaker 1: last time, we thought the Jets are the favorites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into Revers more. But yeah, it's just, uh,
Speaker 1: you're loving it. I was loving it. I was so
Speaker 1: happy to hear it. I clapped my hands together already, uh,
Speaker 1: in a very demonstrative way when I heard, uh, what
Speaker 1: what had went down? That the Jets got Reevas are
Speaker 1: bringing them back for a big deal. So I'm really
Speaker 1: happy my free agency's done. Even even the fact that
Speaker 1: oh wait, Ryan Fitzpatrick Geno Smith is still my quarterback,
Speaker 1: won't be able to dim this. We got we got
Speaker 1: Revers back, and we're very happy. And that's only one
Speaker 1: of the big big news items. This is another mark
Speaker 1: or Mark with the jacket off now throwing me off.
Speaker 1: I told you was the temperatures rising in here. Um,
Speaker 1: here we go. We got a ton of news to
Speaker 1: get to because as another big pressure news drop coming
Speaker 1: up for t V because this was the we just
Speaker 1: came up. I think on Tuesday that might have been
Speaker 1: the wildest free agent signing period ever. Right at one o'clock,
Speaker 1: multiple trades go go down, multiple signings. This is insane,
Speaker 1: This is crazy. What the what? There clearly is no
Speaker 1: offseason and and the NFL is moving the needle right now.
Speaker 1: The biggest sport in the country and it's also the
Speaker 1: biggest story right now is the NFL. It's crazy. I
Speaker 1: think it ranks up there is more wild than the
Speaker 1: day after the lockout ended, when all the signings happened.
Speaker 1: I remember working like a twenty hours shift for Rhodo World,
Speaker 1: but there were only like two or three of us
Speaker 1: doing it. This was there's three trades that dropped back
Speaker 1: to back to back. We're just crazy. And it was
Speaker 1: right before one pm that those trades hit. And we're
Speaker 1: lucky that there were you know, five or six of
Speaker 1: us sitting around ready to tackle those because it was
Speaker 1: a Barrage. I mean, it was just the newsroom, one
Speaker 1: massive collective gasp after the next. There's never been a
Speaker 1: five minutes like that in NFL history. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't compare it with something that happens on the field,
Speaker 1: but for something off the field and transactions. To have
Speaker 1: two starting quarterbacks traded for each other, two potential Hall
Speaker 1: of famers in Heloti Nada and Jim Jimmy Graham traded
Speaker 1: really still in their prime, still playing well. One of
Speaker 1: those guys going to the defending NFC champion Seahawks from
Speaker 1: one NFC team to another. I mean, four pro bowler,
Speaker 1: It's just insane. You could go ahole three years without
Speaker 1: having three trades that big and and TV behind the glass.
Speaker 1: You are the number one fanboy of Russell Wilson. You
Speaker 1: love his sexy d balls and all that. Uh, this
Speaker 1: has gonna be a big moment for you. It is.
Speaker 1: It is a big moment. I officially show to embrace
Speaker 1: the fact that, yes, you know what, if a team
Speaker 1: is going to have all my boys on it, I
Speaker 1: might as well just route for so you're officially Seahawks
Speaker 1: especial area man. Become Seahawks fan in two thousand fifteen.
Speaker 1: I allowed I found out on the Seahawks fan in
Speaker 1: the worst possible time. Here's that at that one yard
Speaker 1: line in the sesstion. That's when I find out, Well,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have to throw it to Ricardo Lockett
Speaker 1: anymore burden for you to carry. The only thing, this
Speaker 1: is the only thing, though, if you're officially a Seahawks fan.
Speaker 1: Once they get filled with bloated contracts and the team
Speaker 1: has to tear itself apart and they become a middling
Speaker 1: unit as happens the way the NFL works, you need
Speaker 1: to stay with him. This cannot be just a fanciful fit.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's a very vulnerable position to
Speaker 1: be in. Um. I likes staying objective. But you know
Speaker 1: what again, if they have all my boys, you know
Speaker 1: I've met I've met ah Beat Carroll, I've met and
Speaker 1: Dropper Richard Sherman and Russell Bobby Wags. Well, you missed
Speaker 1: their peak. They just made it to two straight Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: they won two of them, and now they're making moves
Speaker 1: just because they're frustrated over one play. This is where
Speaker 1: it all starts going down. You mean, maybe he's like
Speaker 1: a Patriots fan that jumped on in two thousand and
Speaker 1: two or three, you got a decade. I don't know
Speaker 1: if jumped on, but I pick McPherson and all sorts
Speaker 1: of good friends. All right, here we go. So we
Speaker 1: got a lot to wait, what TD, We got a
Speaker 1: lot to get to. So let's do some news. We
Speaker 1: didn't bring Sam in here to be a chip on
Speaker 1: the only chip here. Well done, and by the way,
Speaker 1: we will be getting into the chip the chip Kelly
Speaker 1: press conference in PROMPTU press conference that was held on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: The guy is, as my late grandmother would say, a riot.
Speaker 1: He's a riot. We didn't bring here to be a
Speaker 1: chip on the only chip here. It's like a bad
Speaker 1: guy and like a Varsity Blues sequel. All right, let's
Speaker 1: start with the big deal. And obviously the biggest news
Speaker 1: is that TV is now Seahawks fan. But how did
Speaker 1: that happened? It happened because the Seahawks traded for Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham and one of the craziest, most out of out
Speaker 1: of nowhere moves in the history of the NFL during
Speaker 1: at least in the last twenty five years, i'd say,
Speaker 1: in the free agency era, Jimmy Graham out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: no speculation, all of a sudden, it pops up, It
Speaker 1: comes together quickly. He's going to the Seahawks. And this
Speaker 1: is what the trade specifics are Saints get. Saints sent
Speaker 1: Graham in a fourth round pick to the Seahawks for
Speaker 1: a first round pick. That's the thirty first overall and
Speaker 1: center Max Unger uh and Unger is one of the
Speaker 1: better centers in the league. So we will start with
Speaker 1: the mailman, Chris Westling. Your initial take when you learned
Speaker 1: to the trade and the parameters, Well, Greg joked that
Speaker 1: they the Seahawks made this move just because one play
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. I look at it like the
Speaker 1: last two losses of their season were the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in the lost at Kansas City, and it was evident
Speaker 1: in both of those games that what came back to
Speaker 1: bite them is not having a big body in the
Speaker 1: red zone. They got stuck there. Jimmy Graham fills that
Speaker 1: biggest need. But why would the Saints trade him. It
Speaker 1: feels like a organization adrift when you decide that he's
Speaker 1: such a big cornerstone that you go through months of
Speaker 1: negotiation and all this talk about whether we can pay
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham and he skips some offseason where out then
Speaker 1: you give him a monster contract. It's not like that
Speaker 1: was two or three years ago. That was July and
Speaker 1: then just a few months later you decided to get
Speaker 1: rid of him. It just seems like a team that
Speaker 1: doesn't have a plan. Well. We also found out from
Speaker 1: NFL Media Insider and Rapp Report that the initial Colonel
Speaker 1: the trade had to do with Max sung Or the center,
Speaker 1: that the Saints wanted to go out improve their line,
Speaker 1: that they want to become a better run team, and
Speaker 1: then this came into it. And yet it seems crazy
Speaker 1: that they would trade what is a potential top five
Speaker 1: playmaker in the league and Graham. But I wonder if
Speaker 1: that whole arbitration thing and what went down when c. J.
Speaker 1: Spiller or went up when they traded Darren Sprawls last year.
Speaker 1: It was it was Graham who tweeted, I have no
Speaker 1: idea what this team is doing this off season. I
Speaker 1: wonder if there was a little bit more bad blood
Speaker 1: with a Sean Payton led front office, an organization that
Speaker 1: holds grudges Number one, maybe there was a little I know,
Speaker 1: but they had to win that battle as sign him
Speaker 1: as a tight end, not a wide receiver, and then
Speaker 1: healthy not this doesn't happen if he was healthy last season,
Speaker 1: And immediately after the report, the trade goes down. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a report in the New Orleans Times picking and
Speaker 1: questioning Graham's toughness, that they thought he struggled to play
Speaker 1: through injuries or stay on the field, and he and
Speaker 1: he has and that's fair, but it's still crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't like ever questioning players toughness because we have no
Speaker 1: way of knowing from thousands of miles away what's going
Speaker 1: on with their bodies. But it's indisputable that whenever he's
Speaker 1: tried to play through an injury, his production drops by
Speaker 1: more than How about this I will I will not
Speaker 1: question a player's toughness. How about a player selflessness? I
Speaker 1: love getting after Drew Brees. Drew Brees tweets out a
Speaker 1: photo of his children, one of the children wearing a
Speaker 1: Graham jersey draped on the laying on the ground, arm
Speaker 1: draped over his his um sibling sad that that Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham was no longer on the team. How about Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: the crown prince in the NFL. How about he does
Speaker 1: the move where he works, reworks his salary and saves
Speaker 1: some room. And maybe this doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: situation where the Saints need to get rid of Jimmy Graham.
Speaker 1: Maybe Drew Brees could have stopped us from happening. Davy,
Speaker 1: he'll be next. Mickey Loomis and the Saints have mismanaged
Speaker 1: their cap. We've talked about this for two weeks and
Speaker 1: I think this is part of it. And Loomis now
Speaker 1: says the plan is to spend some of that money
Speaker 1: that they're saving on Graham and Melick. Max Younger makes
Speaker 1: four and a half million a year, which is a
Speaker 1: good deal, but he's a good center to They're gonna
Speaker 1: spend some of that money on defense. They're probably gonna
Speaker 1: spend that thirty first pick on defense. Maybe they're gonna
Speaker 1: focus on the running game. It just feels weird to
Speaker 1: shift course like that. But what about back to Breeze.
Speaker 1: Every all these other big name quarterbacks always restructure their salaries.
Speaker 1: We give Peyton Manning hell for not doing it until
Speaker 1: this past year. How come nobody has given Drew Brees
Speaker 1: Now he refused to restructure his deal. This could have
Speaker 1: been avoided. I would think. I think he refused to
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. He's certainly what I'm sure would
Speaker 1: have signed, like a signing bonus that spreads the money out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're only getting about what two and a half
Speaker 1: million this year for Graham what savings accelerated against the cap.
Speaker 1: I don't think they got much cap savings on that
Speaker 1: at all. They did not, And it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of Sean Payton. I think having what people are criticizing
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly for, and I'm not necessarily criticizing that, he
Speaker 1: feels like he can create offense. He doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to pick free agent, uh offensive lineman or no one
Speaker 1: to spend there because they're thinking of cutting two of
Speaker 1: their alignment. So they're getting alignment that they believe is
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl quality guy, although he's been hurt, and
Speaker 1: they're assuming I guess that they can come up with
Speaker 1: the yards on offense. Well, for all the talk of
Speaker 1: cutting those two guys, Ben g Evans, it hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: And they got and get younger. It tells me they've
Speaker 1: got a five ft eleven quarterback and they don't want
Speaker 1: pressure getting him up the middle. And they also have
Speaker 1: mark Ingram, and they know the offense worked best last
Speaker 1: year when it leaned on Ingram to open up the passing.
Speaker 1: Peyton said, all last off so reason we want to
Speaker 1: get tougher, we want to run the football, and they
Speaker 1: made a move towards that with this Center edition and
Speaker 1: resigning Ingram. Maybe they just finally we see a Saints
Speaker 1: team that isn't on offense built the same way it
Speaker 1: was in years past, with the past everything. I am
Speaker 1: convinced that the big moves in New Orleans are not done?
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? I do not think
Speaker 1: that Drew Brees will be the Week one starter. And
Speaker 1: I love TD record the laughter in the mocking yeah
Speaker 1: recorded he won't be there? All right? You can now
Speaker 1: the laughter, record it and then play it back with
Speaker 1: the same prediction that Tom Brady was going to the
Speaker 1: Browns last year. Play that and then the one that
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was retiring. What is trying to kill off
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback? Have you basically taken out of
Speaker 1: years old? I think that they big moves are not done.
Speaker 1: This team is going in weird directions. Well that I
Speaker 1: agree with. There's something strange going on and Saints fans
Speaker 1: have been getting on me at Twitter about it. I look,
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the Saints. I used to live there.
Speaker 1: I like the Saints. But there's a strange corrosive dynamic.
Speaker 1: There's Sean Payton, There's Mickey Loomis. There's an ownership trumble
Speaker 1: situation that's very troubling. There's Drew Brees. I don't there's
Speaker 1: lack of leadership. There's a lot of people who I
Speaker 1: think I have a lot of the New Orleans, a
Speaker 1: lot of money. It's just it's problems and Dan saying
Speaker 1: a wrap it up, but this is great stuff. I
Speaker 1: know you don't like this phrase, but my first thought
Speaker 1: when his trade came down was bye bye sat super
Speaker 1: Bowl Window. Well, you just gave one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the league to your number one challenger in
Speaker 1: the NFC, and I think the rest of the NFC
Speaker 1: must be furious with this train. In their defense, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks should be thrilled. But it's not like they gave
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham away. They did get a high quality starter
Speaker 1: and a first round pick. So if you want to
Speaker 1: make a defense, it's not a that's not crazy. What
Speaker 1: are you laughing at, Mark? Because I you know, Dan
Speaker 1: has to do a lot of work to manage this
Speaker 1: show and us from getting completely off. This is the
Speaker 1: best story you have the whole. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: short change this because it's a juicy topic. You guys
Speaker 1: are all making really relevant points. However, we got like
Speaker 1: things to get to. That's all I was saying, sire here,
Speaker 1: have to take a shot. Later, we'll deal with it. Uh,
Speaker 1: Greg demonstrating has no idea how to run the show,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's why I'm in the chair here.
Speaker 1: But honestly, my I'll make one point. I think this
Speaker 1: is the year Russell Wilson. It reminds me of on
Speaker 1: some level when Randy Moss came to uh New England
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden Tom Brady, who was never
Speaker 1: a monster statistical guy, became that guy. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the first year Russell Wilson really to the excite,
Speaker 1: really becomes a stud offensively in addition to being a winner.
Speaker 1: I have one more insider nugget here I got. I
Speaker 1: got a little whispered that the Seahawks were really planning
Speaker 1: to get Jordan Cameron, that that was their plan and
Speaker 1: they weren't planning to get Jimmy. This sort of fell
Speaker 1: fell into their laps and then all right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about now Darrell Rivas. Who oh, now I see why
Speaker 1: Greg was. He wouldn't stop talking. You didn't want to
Speaker 1: get to this topic. He is no longer a member
Speaker 1: of the Patriots. Enjoy your championship. It's all over for
Speaker 1: New England, Patriots and Darrell Reeves, and perhaps they're super
Speaker 1: Bowl Window themselves because now Rivas Island has a return
Speaker 1: to New York on a five year, seventy million dollar deal,
Speaker 1: thirty nine million guaranteed. In this era of just funny money,
Speaker 1: Reeves got sixteen million per season in the first three
Speaker 1: years of his deal, which is uh, not for nothing,
Speaker 1: exactly what he was looking for when the Jets traded
Speaker 1: himway in the first place. Now, uh, my take on it,
Speaker 1: the Jets should have never traded him in the first place.
Speaker 1: They should have made it work. He's two years older.
Speaker 1: Now he's got a ring with the Patriots. What stinks
Speaker 1: he's got He's got a little bit of stink on
Speaker 1: him because of that. But this is the absolute right
Speaker 1: move for the Jets to do. They needed to add
Speaker 1: a stud cornerback he was the best one on the
Speaker 1: market there. Maybe not a super Bowl contender, but they
Speaker 1: could be a playoff contender. And if you if you
Speaker 1: want to play in this league in this era of parody,
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs and see what happens. I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: to have him back. He's gonna be in our Ring
Speaker 1: of honor one day, he's gonna be a face of
Speaker 1: the franchise type. Guy's a great day for the Jets.
Speaker 1: And I'll throw it to Mark Sessler to get started here,
Speaker 1: because Mark, I knew you were Uh you didn't think
Speaker 1: the Jets should have made this move. Uh Now after
Speaker 1: seeing the numbers, do you still think it was a mistake. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't want them. What I don't like is the
Speaker 1: idea of, hey, we'll bring back Rivas and everything is
Speaker 1: good again. And I actually think collectively that that's not
Speaker 1: New York's response at all this offseason and looking at
Speaker 1: what they've done sort of holistically, GM Mike mccagnet think
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, prodded on by the owner, or
Speaker 1: if I think he actually has shown a good job
Speaker 1: being aggressive here, which is for a fan base that
Speaker 1: in December was totally lost. They have to be happy
Speaker 1: with the Jets saying we're not just gonna sit pat
Speaker 1: and let our own guys walk out. I like the
Speaker 1: way they recreated the entire secondary Buster screen is never
Speaker 1: gonna be a number one. He's got some issues, but
Speaker 1: he's not a bad supporting guy. To add, get paid
Speaker 1: a lot. He's being paid too much rather that twenty million.
Speaker 1: Then that's all this operates. But also you made a
Speaker 1: good point this morning, Dan d Millen, or a guy
Speaker 1: like him, it allows him not to be put on
Speaker 1: the hot seat right out of the way. They don't
Speaker 1: know what they have in him. But that doesn't allow
Speaker 1: him to be on the football field. They're giving up,
Speaker 1: but he and they might they might be signing Antonio Crimardi.
Speaker 1: We're hearing that he's the Jets are favored for his services.
Speaker 1: So the Jets have been giving Todd Bowles when he needs,
Speaker 1: giving Todd Bowles when he needs, which John I never
Speaker 1: gave Rex Ryan, Who's got to be going absolutely nuts.
Speaker 1: The way this worked out right down right down to
Speaker 1: the fact, uh Greg, that that Darrell Rivers his first
Speaker 1: visit was gonna be in Buffalo and the Jets didn't
Speaker 1: let him get there. So poor Rex never got that chance.
Speaker 1: I love that Darrell Rivas his agents did that just
Speaker 1: at the last minute to squeeze that extra one million
Speaker 1: dollars out of Woody Johnson. Smart. I mean, they they
Speaker 1: did everything right and he finally got paid. Chris Westling,
Speaker 1: Now we throw it to you your thoughts. I just
Speaker 1: have been kind of chuckling to myself the last couple
Speaker 1: of days after this manufactured debate of whether the a
Speaker 1: f C East is wide open. Now one team has
Speaker 1: a quarterback, one team has an average quarterback, and two
Speaker 1: teams don't have a quarterback. So I mean, since the
Speaker 1: day this podcast started, we have hammered him the point
Speaker 1: you don't compete seriously in the NFL without a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that the Jet real threat. Do
Speaker 1: you not try to build up the rest of your
Speaker 1: team for the You don't know when you're gonna get
Speaker 1: that quarterback sometimes, like I think the Jets, at least
Speaker 1: part of New York, it's a pr game. You What
Speaker 1: happened under Zick was the team fell apart because the
Speaker 1: perception of the front office like maybe they're spending too
Speaker 1: much but don't have to build a team kudos to
Speaker 1: them for landing Reevas. I just don't think that they're
Speaker 1: like a thes is totally responsible for this signing. Everyone
Speaker 1: kills them, but they couldn't have backwards way. Though he
Speaker 1: doesn't know, he doesn't get credit for him, but they
Speaker 1: couldn't sign him because of what Mike Tannonbom did to
Speaker 1: that team for a couple of years. They were a disaster.
Speaker 1: He spent maybe he were misremembering, because they had the
Speaker 1: space to sign him last year. You're right, last year
Speaker 1: would have been fine, but he helped clear out all
Speaker 1: this space for them to spend. And you're right. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, it seems like their offseason plan is that
Speaker 1: is basically to annoy Rex Ryan, to keep David Harris
Speaker 1: away from UH. I think it's to try to sign Camarti,
Speaker 1: to sign Revs and to say, hey, here's the team
Speaker 1: you wish you had last I don't see. I don't
Speaker 1: buy into it. I don't think the Jets have bad
Speaker 1: blood towards Rex, even if it seems that way. They
Speaker 1: have bad blood towards the Patriots, which makes us especially great.
Speaker 1: If if you're with the Jets, because you weaken the Patriots,
Speaker 1: there's no way to say that you didn't weaken them,
Speaker 1: and and West to your point, Yes, the Jets still
Speaker 1: have a quarterback issue. And I'm not gonna go crazy
Speaker 1: about a Ryan Fitzpatrick trade either. They still have band
Speaker 1: aids there. But when you and Tom Brady is the
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the division and one the league. But
Speaker 1: they just got Derel Reeves, who's gonna make Tom Brady
Speaker 1: less effective? But they had revs. They always they've always had. Listen,
Speaker 1: That's that's the name of the game. You gotta win
Speaker 1: your division in those division matchups. The Jets got a
Speaker 1: major chest piece in that battle of Brady. Who's by
Speaker 1: the way, not for nothing. It's gonna be thirty eight
Speaker 1: this year. It's a huge last for the Patriots. But
Speaker 1: the Patriots have been through this before. Every year we
Speaker 1: hear they lose some gigantic star and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: how can they survive without Randy Moss as friend? About
Speaker 1: one of these? And this isn't Durrell Reeves, And I
Speaker 1: do think that's one thing where we disagree with when
Speaker 1: we talk about it. This isn't Darrell Reeves from five
Speaker 1: years ago. It's a different Durell Reeves. It's a good,
Speaker 1: very very good player, but it's not like the defensive
Speaker 1: player I wrote in my piece about the trade this
Speaker 1: morning or the signing this morning. If I can get
Speaker 1: to kind of elite corner years out of him and
Speaker 1: then he has like kind of a Champ Bailey soft
Speaker 1: landing over his last three over the rest of the contract,
Speaker 1: that's a good signing. And in that meantime, the Jets
Speaker 1: need to find that quarterback. Now, Greg, he's on the
Speaker 1: Jets in four years. It's a major upset. He gets
Speaker 1: through these first three years and then he either gets
Speaker 1: cut or right he's got Yeah, But I also don't
Speaker 1: don't underestimate like this guy what he means the franchise.
Speaker 1: I think that they brought him back because they want
Speaker 1: him to be in the franchise forever. They want him,
Speaker 1: even though winning the Super Bowl the Patriots changes how
Speaker 1: the greater public views him. The Jets very much want
Speaker 1: Reeves to be Jet for life. The Patriots secondary though,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Reva's gone. They don't even want
Speaker 1: Brandon Browner. But they got a lot of work to
Speaker 1: do there now. They got my boardy they do. They've
Speaker 1: had a lot of work to do in their secondary
Speaker 1: for the better part of my life and tell me
Speaker 1: the great people in their secondary in two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight or nine or seven or ten, or at any
Speaker 1: of these times. So you're right, they they had a
Speaker 1: great thing going with Revas, but you kind of trust
Speaker 1: that Belichick and them they'll find a way to get
Speaker 1: it in. Their pass rushers are better. I like their
Speaker 1: defense overall. I think one thing, like the way Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham just tipped the scales in in Seattle's favor in
Speaker 1: the NFC, because it's just a great team getting that piece.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt about Reva's going to New England
Speaker 1: last year and what Belichick was able to do creatively
Speaker 1: at the back end of that defense. You can't just
Speaker 1: replace that. And you you said weeks ago that they
Speaker 1: prioritize mccordy over Revas, and you're right. But there are
Speaker 1: major questions for New England in terms of like how
Speaker 1: do you duplicate what just happened that It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be easy. Those years they didn't have Moss and others,
Speaker 1: they didn't go to they didn't win Super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: they weren't winning. Yeah, but they weren't winning Super Bowls
Speaker 1: unless Malcolm Butler made a catch. I'm not giving Darrell
Speaker 1: Reavus some magical beans that he somehow made. It made
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler make that play. It's like they've i think
Speaker 1: their recipe and they've been a nine conference championship games.
Speaker 1: Like in that span, the Jets have been the one,
Speaker 1: right and so they've been to nine. Is just they
Speaker 1: put themselves in the mix every year, and you never
Speaker 1: know how it's gonna shake out. This point might come
Speaker 1: up again in a minute, but we're twenty three hours
Speaker 1: into the news. There are at least three or four
Speaker 1: players in the Patriots Super Bowl roster, key players who
Speaker 1: weren't even on the team in October. You wonder, by
Speaker 1: the way, why Greg reference magic beans. When you sit
Speaker 1: on the throne of ease, those things get fed to you.
Speaker 1: If they not even a silver spoon, a golden spoon,
Speaker 1: We're delicious. Moving on, all right, let's talk. Let's talk
Speaker 1: some of these crazy, crazy trades we already talked about.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham. Now let's talk about the QB for QB
Speaker 1: swap to end all QB for QB swaps. Sam Bradford
Speaker 1: heading to the Eagles, and exchange for Nick Foles. There's
Speaker 1: some draft picks involved here as well. Of the exact specifics,
Speaker 1: the folds of fourth round pick and the second round
Speaker 1: pick in to the Rams and exchange for Bradford and
Speaker 1: the Rams is fifth pick. Greg, I'll start with you here.
Speaker 1: First of all, did the Eagles give up too much
Speaker 1: to get Sam Bradford, a guy coming off back to
Speaker 1: back a c L injuries. I was surprised they gave
Speaker 1: up so much, so yes, I mean it struck me
Speaker 1: as strange that they were taking on Bradford's contract and
Speaker 1: they had to give up the second round pick. It
Speaker 1: was really that second round pick that blew my mind.
Speaker 1: And the Eagles do have a condition where if Bradford
Speaker 1: gets hurt they could get something back, So that surprised me. West,
Speaker 1: I think put it, well, that look, if he's a
Speaker 1: if he's the franchise quarterback that they think he is,
Speaker 1: then it really doesn't matter. But man, that is a
Speaker 1: big gamble. And Chip Kelly keeps making those gambles. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: allow me a couple of rejoinders here joined hears. The
Speaker 1: most obvious takeaway is the word by West. The Rams
Speaker 1: and the Eagles both decided that Sam Bradford held a
Speaker 1: lot more value than Nick Fools. The Rams weren't giving
Speaker 1: him up without a second round pick, and the Eagles
Speaker 1: took on ten million dollars more in salary, And I
Speaker 1: think most teams would agree, so I would agree. So
Speaker 1: let's get that out early. And then, second of all,
Speaker 1: Dan you like to call chip Kelly derisively the genius
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams, Bill Belichick's right hand man, one of the
Speaker 1: smartest men in the history of PROFI starting cornerback next
Speaker 1: year for the Patriots. It's one of his sayings is
Speaker 1: the number one criteria for being a genius in this
Speaker 1: league is to get a great quarterback. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford's a great quarterback, but chip Kelly did extensive research,
Speaker 1: studied everything about Sam Bradford for over a month now,
Speaker 1: and he's decided Nick Foles isn't a franchise quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: just not. So I can't win in this league with
Speaker 1: Nick Fools. If what I'm seeing or weaknesses, defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: are seeing it too, I might be able to win
Speaker 1: with Sam Bradford. In fact, the Eagles website said, chip
Speaker 1: Kelly determined that Bradford is a special talent who can
Speaker 1: make the offense sore. I'm not saying he is or
Speaker 1: he isn't. But to me, I have no problem with
Speaker 1: a with a coach going out and saying, this guy
Speaker 1: is not my franchise quarterback, so let me trade for
Speaker 1: a guy who I believe has that potential. When he
Speaker 1: when the trade first happened, I thought that the assumption
Speaker 1: that Bradford was their long term answer was naive because
Speaker 1: I thought they might just flip him and move up
Speaker 1: and get married. I mean, there's a lot of reason
Speaker 1: to think that it might have been just the first
Speaker 1: part of it longer trade that we didn't know the
Speaker 1: end of. But now after what we didn't know what
Speaker 1: the ramifications and the pick swap were. Later in the
Speaker 1: way that Chip Kelly spoke today, it is very clear
Speaker 1: that the website and the research were real. But West,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've watched Sam. I don't care about the injuries.
Speaker 1: Remove the injuries and the fact that last year we
Speaker 1: were writing off quarterbacks that had one knee surgery like
Speaker 1: that all offseason he's had him back to back, But
Speaker 1: what about what he's done on the field. We've seen
Speaker 1: little evidence this Chip Kelly oviusly knows way much more. Though. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that if you, if you're Chip Kelly, and
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, I've got look what I've gotten out
Speaker 1: of Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez, two guys that a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the NFL don't consider starter caliber,
Speaker 1: and they're getting as many yards in points per game
Speaker 1: as just about any team. So you can say, okay,
Speaker 1: I can take Sam Bradford, who developed a skittish skittishistness, skittishness.
Speaker 1: He was skittish. He was skittish because they stopped he
Speaker 1: played behind a bad offensive line and they never surrounded
Speaker 1: him with surrounding with with good talent. And I have
Speaker 1: said before those are excuses they shouldn't be allowed. But
Speaker 1: if you're Chip Kelly, you say, look at this guy's arm.
Speaker 1: If I, if I put him behind a really good
Speaker 1: offensive line and my coaching, maybe we can get more
Speaker 1: out of him. West by the way, Uh, it's skitty
Speaker 1: number two. Uh Yeah, Mark, you mentioned the press conference
Speaker 1: where Chip Kelly really uh was tooting the horn of
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford's Uh made the line that we used earlier
Speaker 1: t d drop that the only Chip is me. Chip Kelly,
Speaker 1: because I'm here to be a chip on the only
Speaker 1: chip here. There you go. We're gonna keep that. So
Speaker 1: it was the press. Let's talk about the press conference
Speaker 1: a little bit, because Chip Saunter is up to the stage,
Speaker 1: up to the dais and he delivers an impromptu press
Speaker 1: conference at Philadelphia and has just his his rapport with
Speaker 1: the Philly reporters is. The way he carries himself is
Speaker 1: really interesting. Uh So this first of all, people are
Speaker 1: wondering what happens with the quarterback situation? Bradford Sanchez, Where's
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota? Someone asked him, what's going on with Marcus Mariotta?
Speaker 1: You guys interested in trading up these deals won't be
Speaker 1: trading up in the draft Marcus Mariota. Let's dispel that
Speaker 1: right now. You know, I think that stuff is crazy.
Speaker 1: You guys have been going with that stuff all along.
Speaker 1: I think Marcus is the best quarterback in the draft.
Speaker 1: We will never mortgage our future to go all the
Speaker 1: way up to go get somebody like that because we
Speaker 1: have too many other holes that we're gonna take care of.
Speaker 1: So so there's that, Uh do we buy that? First
Speaker 1: of all? Oh? Yeah, that I thought all along was
Speaker 1: just crazy to think that you're moving up from twenty
Speaker 1: to two or four in the draft and how much
Speaker 1: you would have to mortgage to give that up. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, but as just saying quarterbacks make coaches genius.
Speaker 1: He believes in Mariota, he recruited him in Oregon. If
Speaker 1: he believes in why not trade up and get the guy?
Speaker 1: You know how much it costs to trade up? And
Speaker 1: I don't I have no idea. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: I do believe him because I think at this point
Speaker 1: we now believe Chip Kelly is now capable of anything
Speaker 1: like that. He could just walk, you know, he's been
Speaker 1: so crazy that we're just like, wow, he could do anything.
Speaker 1: But it would be insane to bring in Bradford like this,
Speaker 1: pump him up, have the press comets, do a month
Speaker 1: of research, try to acquire him, give up the picks.
Speaker 1: That's where it really gets me. And then to trade
Speaker 1: him for Mariota. It's just sort of hard to imagine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we've learned in the last since the trade until
Speaker 1: now shuts the door I think on them. If they
Speaker 1: changed that now would just be devious because of what
Speaker 1: the way they floated this thing. But the way you
Speaker 1: think he might be devious. No, no, well, I just
Speaker 1: don't think at this point the way they the way
Speaker 1: they pr this thing. But it was at the combine
Speaker 1: where everyone attached to the Amams was telling us, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're counting on Sam Bradford. He's our guy. We would
Speaker 1: never delete him from the roster. They are. Well, listen,
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's a reason to be skeptical
Speaker 1: of anything any one of these people say. And by
Speaker 1: the way, certainly including Chip Kelly, he's the best. Let's
Speaker 1: play that one more time. Just listen closely. Here won't
Speaker 1: be training up the draft. Laugh. He doesn't really answer
Speaker 1: the question. Laugh. In fairness, he doesn't really say no exactly. Laugh.
Speaker 1: Wasn't fake fake, So you're the boy, and it was dismissive,
Speaker 1: which is what his entire press contest. You know what,
Speaker 1: But those guys, those reporters, especially some of the ones
Speaker 1: he was getting angry at, those are the most dismissive
Speaker 1: guys in the world, saying he is also defend that's
Speaker 1: why they're a good match. Known is defending the reporters
Speaker 1: of Philadelphia, the scribes. Although I'm sure they're some I
Speaker 1: don't know any of them, but Chip Kelly is coming
Speaker 1: back at them. It was like it's like a snark
Speaker 1: fest from both sides, and Kelly, I think is snarkier
Speaker 1: than any of them. Uh. And this is how this
Speaker 1: press conference ended. By the way this he's like, he's
Speaker 1: seriously like Varsity Blues two, even Bluer. There's a consistency
Speaker 1: in my behavior. The fact that it doesn't drive with
Speaker 1: your schedules is what I think the issue is. I mean,
Speaker 1: you didn't speak after because we didn't have final say
Speaker 1: last year. Pieces are fitting together on the puzzle, right.
Speaker 1: I think part of Chip Kelly that people don't get.
Speaker 1: He to me when I watched him, he just seems
Speaker 1: like a New England guy. Like that that you're you're
Speaker 1: saying dismissive is like I can tell that guy is
Speaker 1: from New hamp He's just like he's Jim Calhoun. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think it's I see. That's it. Whenever
Speaker 1: anyone has an issue with Chip Kelly, it's here's what
Speaker 1: people don't get. It's not what I don't get. I
Speaker 1: think he's an incredibly talented football coach. But by the way,
Speaker 1: if he's a genius twelve non genius coaches made the
Speaker 1: playoffs last year. He wouldn't say it, but who, I
Speaker 1: don't care what you who wrote bigger puff pieces about
Speaker 1: him than usn't to me, He's delivered. That's the part
Speaker 1: I don't get about the Philadelphia fans getting so critical,
Speaker 1: Like he had twenty seven touchdowns and two interceptions in
Speaker 1: the season with Nick Foles. That's a goddamn miracle. That
Speaker 1: is amazing. No one's saying he's not a talented coach.
Speaker 1: It's just so give him so I give him a
Speaker 1: little benefit of the doubt. This trade is a little crazy.
Speaker 1: He's gotten a lot of benefit of the doubt from
Speaker 1: the start and up till now, and we'll continue to
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's saying he's not a good coach
Speaker 1: or he's not talented. But am I ready to make
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford the comeback player of the year. No, what
Speaker 1: was the knock on Bill Belichick as Giants defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: as Brown's coach, and even early in his Patriot's career,
Speaker 1: he was why are we this is it? We're already
Speaker 1: calling Chip Kelly because I've seen a lot of similarities
Speaker 1: between them. Bill Belichick was knocked as a genius nerd,
Speaker 1: lacking charisma in any kind of soft touch with the
Speaker 1: media and the public. I just like and he admits
Speaker 1: he made a ton of mistakes in Cleveland. It helped
Speaker 1: him lose a job. I mean, it's not just be
Speaker 1: a genius and the EXUS knows you have to learn
Speaker 1: how to handle the other part of the job. It's
Speaker 1: you're not just a coach. If you're a head coach,
Speaker 1: you have a lot more like fore hours into the
Speaker 1: new league here, I don't think he's done some kind
Speaker 1: of haphazard thing that he's messed up their roster. I
Speaker 1: think it is just I'd agree with that. I think
Speaker 1: the part where they really stressed how similar the offense
Speaker 1: was at Oklahoma was the part that really said it
Speaker 1: to me that this is the guy they want, that
Speaker 1: they they really believe what Bradford did at Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: de Marco Murray, maybe they'll try to they're trying to
Speaker 1: get him too. Reportedly, uh, that that was what he saw.
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly saw Bradford in a system and he thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've seen him do it, he can do it, and
Speaker 1: I like that he's original and he's not afraid to
Speaker 1: do it, and that he's a jerk because we kill
Speaker 1: all the boring coaches, so he's not boring. I like
Speaker 1: there's an interesting dichotomy in the NFL because football has
Speaker 1: an extremely conservative culture. Yes, it doesn't like new ideas,
Speaker 1: and anytime a coach comes into the league with innovation,
Speaker 1: they get they get derided by analysts, other coaches. A
Speaker 1: lot of the cover your ask coaches don't like to
Speaker 1: see guys coming in. But it's also the most innovative
Speaker 1: of American sports and it's always getting revolutionized all the time.
Speaker 1: So I think that's the interesting part about Chipkin. I
Speaker 1: just think one last thing. I know, Dan's spinning hands
Speaker 1: him and it's like a lot a lot happened with
Speaker 1: offense and pistol and read option the year before Kelly
Speaker 1: was even in the league. I mean, it's not like
Speaker 1: he's the only person that brings these concepts of the league.
Speaker 1: And it's not that everyone dismisses him. There are plenty
Speaker 1: of long research pieces that describe how there there are
Speaker 1: definitely people that will stand behind him no matter what
Speaker 1: he does wrong, and there are people that will rip
Speaker 1: on him no matter what he does right. There are
Speaker 1: people on our airwaves saying he will never win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl because his system just does not work in
Speaker 1: the NFL. All right, let's touch on the other Eagles
Speaker 1: news out there. They seem to be in the headlines
Speaker 1: with multiple things every day. Byron maximil Byron Maxwell joins
Speaker 1: the team on a six year, sixty million dollar deal
Speaker 1: that includes million guaranteed for the first three years. And
Speaker 1: then something that came down shortly before we came up
Speaker 1: to do the podcast, former Chargers running back Ryan Matthews
Speaker 1: on a plane to Philly will sign a three year,
Speaker 1: twelve million dollar deal with the Eagles. It's all according
Speaker 1: according to rap sheet, and of course, uh, Greg Ryan
Speaker 1: Matthews is the backup choice after the Eagles are spurned
Speaker 1: by Frank Gore. Your boy, oh that was great as
Speaker 1: much as well. I spent like five minutes talking about
Speaker 1: what a great location, uh in Philadelphia was for Gore.
Speaker 1: But Indianapolis is even better. We'll talk about I mean,
Speaker 1: it's true, we'll talk about it a little later. Right,
Speaker 1: you go to Tennessee and Greg Black, Frank Gore is
Speaker 1: just polished up as Hall of Fame. Now, Ryan Matthews
Speaker 1: is not as complete a player as Gore. But we've
Speaker 1: talked about before if there was a Pro Bowl position
Speaker 1: for first and second down back, he's wildly talented. They
Speaker 1: keep signing guys that get injured. You know, they also
Speaker 1: signed Walter Thurman. I don't know about the strategy, just
Speaker 1: like sign all of Philadelphia's leftovers in the secondary, Maxwell's
Speaker 1: Seattle's leftover. Sorry about that. Uh. And they're they're supposedly
Speaker 1: going to be interested in Brandon Browners, so we'll see
Speaker 1: about that. If I'm the Eagles, I'd rather have Ryan
Speaker 1: Matthews than Frank Gore anyway, at the stage of their
Speaker 1: respective careers over the last two years. If Chip Kelly's
Speaker 1: looking for a north and south runner over the last
Speaker 1: two years, who's been better north and south than Ryan Matthews?
Speaker 1: You can count him on one hand. Kelly is investing
Speaker 1: a lot in guys that have injury history. But that
Speaker 1: was my first feeling too when I started like, and Greg,
Speaker 1: you have a personal connection with Gore, you love him? Uh,
Speaker 1: the inconvenient truth. I don't quite get why Gore has
Speaker 1: been such a hot uh commodity on the market. He's
Speaker 1: thirty two. I know he runs for eleven hundred yards
Speaker 1: every year. But how many you know, thirty two thirty
Speaker 1: three year old running backs are effective in this league.
Speaker 1: Give me Ryan Matthews, a guy was with with more
Speaker 1: upside that can be around long. Because Ryan Matthews has
Speaker 1: had one year in his career that's as good as
Speaker 1: any year of Frank Gore's career. That's why, and he
Speaker 1: hasn't shown the fall off on tape. I think Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly looks at what Frank Gord did last year in
Speaker 1: he sees a very effective starter that can do a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. Well, I think with Frank Gore,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't talk as much about the intangibles,
Speaker 1: but he's a team leader and he's considered one of
Speaker 1: the absolute best pass blocking running backs in the league.
Speaker 1: Smart player, and you can't. You have to have players
Speaker 1: that are gonna buy in the Chip Kelly systems. So
Speaker 1: maybe more mature type players to dance point to dance
Speaker 1: point before about revis versus Maxwell, though, like you know,
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars over the next couple of years from Maxwell.
Speaker 1: This is where you know, Chip Kelly, the GM is
Speaker 1: gonna be tested. Is signing Brandon Graham, signing these defensive players.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of responsibility for a coach to suddenly
Speaker 1: be a GM, and he's taken some big swings here
Speaker 1: on defense. Moving forward, the Lions have made a big
Speaker 1: move after losing in Dominican Sue. They acquire Heloti Nada
Speaker 1: in a trade with the Ravens. According to Burt Rear,
Speaker 1: Baltimore receives fourth and fifth round draft picks in return
Speaker 1: for Nada, which Mark Sessler that seems like a pretty
Speaker 1: nice deal for the Lions, who are recovering nicely for
Speaker 1: from losing their key players Sue Well, I mean are
Speaker 1: around the NFL. In house. Lions fan Kevin Patrick has
Speaker 1: been talking for weeks and months about the Lions moving
Speaker 1: to a three four and this would be, you know,
Speaker 1: a perfect building block for that. And you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many more years Nada has left, but
Speaker 1: he's certainly played well last year for big chunk of
Speaker 1: the season, So it's a good pickup. And I mean, also,
Speaker 1: if you lose Sue, you've got to turn around, and
Speaker 1: they've fairly gone to you gotta turn around and plug
Speaker 1: that in with some reliable bodies. Nice recovery by Martin
Speaker 1: Mayhew the Lions GM after Sue leaves. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you can analyze this trade without making the point
Speaker 1: that Sue is still an ascended talent twenty years old,
Speaker 1: all pro and not as going to be thirty one.
Speaker 1: He's probably inching towards the decline face the Lions offered
Speaker 1: to make and Dominicans, who the highest paid defensive player
Speaker 1: in NFL history by far. So it's not that the
Speaker 1: Lions did anything wrong trying to in trying to keep him.
Speaker 1: That the Dolphins just blew them out of the water
Speaker 1: by a couple of million, and you know that was
Speaker 1: that was it? Not a you know, the thing that
Speaker 1: should be said. He only has one year left on
Speaker 1: his contract, so it's it's it's a cheap deal for them.
Speaker 1: I guess they only give up too late round picks,
Speaker 1: but it's also a short term deal. He's making eight
Speaker 1: million dollars. I just worry about any situation where Ozzy
Speaker 1: Neosom is making the decision. And I know they're deep
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle, they have Brandon Williams, they just drafted
Speaker 1: Journey and but I'm a little worried about any situation
Speaker 1: where Ozzy Newsom is like, I'm gonna take eight and
Speaker 1: a half million dollars of dead money on my cap
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to Hellodi Nada. That's a little freaks
Speaker 1: me out a little. Yeah, I think I think it's
Speaker 1: the whole picture. If you're Baltimore, that not a would
Speaker 1: not come down off his sixteen million cap hits smartly.
Speaker 1: Now we don't, right, So you didn't want to pay
Speaker 1: him that it was gonna be eight million salary and
Speaker 1: that's a lot to pay when you're confident in Brandon
Speaker 1: Williams and Timmy. Journey's fair all day long on the
Speaker 1: Ravens Twitter feed, which has annoyed us in the past
Speaker 1: many times, but it was halftag in Azzy we trust,
Speaker 1: and that's would that would strike me as wild. It's
Speaker 1: it's pretentious, except the only thing I'd say versus other
Speaker 1: fan bases of teams with younger gms and younger coaches
Speaker 1: where they're freaking out, it's like, wait, but we can
Speaker 1: trust Ozzy knew some He's done this for a decade
Speaker 1: plus and he we know that when he makes these
Speaker 1: decisions there for good reasons. Don't need a bunch like
Speaker 1: high school kids on a Twitter feed telling me about
Speaker 1: any day would better if you just turned Twitter off.
Speaker 1: That is some serious Ravens Twitter. He total the entire
Speaker 1: comprehensive Twitter, not the Ravens, but they're a big part
Speaker 1: of it. Azzi does seem to get lost in the
Speaker 1: best GMS discussion too much. I mean kind like like
Speaker 1: he gets brought up as, oh, we have to include
Speaker 1: Azzi instead of maybe he is the best. Uh so, yes,
Speaker 1: we mentioned the Lions. Let's talk about their former star
Speaker 1: defensive player and Dominquan Sioux, who made that deal with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins official on Wednesday. It is a six year,
Speaker 1: one d and fourteen million dollar contract, sixty million of
Speaker 1: a guarantee that makes him the richest defensive player in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL, sir using with J. J.
Speaker 1: Watts signed last year. I thought it was funny the
Speaker 1: speaking of team Twitter feeds the Dolphins. Uh. They tweeted
Speaker 1: a picture of Sue walking in the hallway looking at
Speaker 1: this big thing on a wall. It was like two
Speaker 1: Lombardi trophies in the message we we house champions here
Speaker 1: or something's like wow, your last title was like four
Speaker 1: years ago. But whatever, big move for the Dolphins. Can't
Speaker 1: get on them. They had the introductory press conference. They
Speaker 1: had Joey Fielden sitting in the front road, didn't even
Speaker 1: get up on the dais here we go, Dolphins. You
Speaker 1: gotta Suey s West. I just laughing at he said, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: your last championship was forty years ago. My team that
Speaker 1: was even longer than that. But come on, and you
Speaker 1: had to get rid of Odrick and starts to get
Speaker 1: Sue and Heartline and Gibson and guys you don't really want.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a great move, but it's it
Speaker 1: can only be so great a move when you're paying
Speaker 1: him twenty million dollars a year. It's like the there's
Speaker 1: nothing he can do but live up. Like the best
Speaker 1: he can do is just be how he's been in
Speaker 1: and it's like a B A B minus, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You're not gonna get any special value
Speaker 1: out of this. The Dolphins doctors that way back when
Speaker 1: decided Drew Brees wasn't healthy enough to be this team's quarterback,
Speaker 1: got us here desperate year after year. Maneuvers was just
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that the Dolphins have to
Speaker 1: swing to the for the fences with too much free
Speaker 1: agency noise. Chip Kelly compared Sam Bradford to that breeze deal.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's your only chance to get franchise
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is when they're on a big, big disc. Kelly.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite subplots that's growing and I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to the new season, is I used to be
Speaker 1: the guy that got on Chip Kelly is the genius
Speaker 1: cessler turning it. I'm willing to forgive. He has me
Speaker 1: a little agitated today. You're a little bit a little
Speaker 1: scorn lover, because let's be honest, you were the number
Speaker 1: one Chip Kelly cheerleader just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: That's true, the same, but then when you moved on
Speaker 1: to Gus Bradley. Of course, famously, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about another coach, hold on laser lazy or of course,
Speaker 1: what are you saying to your fans? And I realized,
Speaker 1: this isn't the first team that's ever done this. Thank you,
Speaker 1: you have Joe, Phil, but you have like fifty five
Speaker 1: people from your organization sitting up there with Sue and
Speaker 1: philbin Is just sitting down in the front row with journals.
Speaker 1: What are you telling your fans? It's a great it's great,
Speaker 1: You're right, it's it's such an image it really I
Speaker 1: want to get a good picture of it because it
Speaker 1: feels like that should be the cover of their team
Speaker 1: brochure this year film and sitting in the do you
Speaker 1: have a tape recorders? It just isn't. I wondered if
Speaker 1: he had to like sneak in, like where's your credential?
Speaker 1: But I'm the coach, I would let's just say in
Speaker 1: in defense of the Dolphins, we again we agree it
Speaker 1: was a good signing. Obviously, Sue one of the him
Speaker 1: and Rebus are maybe the only two sure things in
Speaker 1: the in the free agency class. But uh, and the
Speaker 1: reason it makes sense to me and the reason West
Speaker 1: you were saying that Jets don't have a quarterback and
Speaker 1: they don't so the Reeve's move, maybe you could say, well,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You don't can't really say with
Speaker 1: the Dobums because they believe in Tannehill. He's shown a
Speaker 1: you know, appreciable gains each year. So if you get
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in the world and
Speaker 1: you stick them on your d line and then you
Speaker 1: hope Ryan Tannehill makes the leap and the a f C.
Speaker 1: East is you know, again clocks ticking on old Tommy
Speaker 1: Pats you know, take at it. They got a shot.
Speaker 1: It's great. I've always been a fan of the AFC
Speaker 1: East and but it's been a would be but no,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But it's been a lame division.
Speaker 1: I always kind of think, like, does everyone think that
Speaker 1: the a f C East is the second or third?
Speaker 1: You know, it's always a lame division. This one. Now
Speaker 1: it's back. I don't know if it ever was there
Speaker 1: a one quarterback division moving forward? Alright, so let's talk
Speaker 1: about some more retirements. What we have. Patrick will is retired.
Speaker 1: We talked about that last night. Was weird. Uh m
Speaker 1: j d retired But that kind of made sense. But
Speaker 1: you know, father time catches up all of us, including
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and the Patriots. Now someone's that don't don't
Speaker 1: make as much sense. And we'll start with the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Linebacker Jason Worlds, who is twenties seven years old, was
Speaker 1: staring at a new contract and free agency that probably
Speaker 1: would have gotten about fifteen million guaranteed. Instead, in a
Speaker 1: shocking move West you were I think working last night,
Speaker 1: he announces that he's walking away from the game. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get more involved with the church. That he's uh
Speaker 1: that he's uh involved with Oh how did this happen?
Speaker 1: So shocking that I took a much more conservative approach
Speaker 1: to reporting this story than our editing desk did. I
Speaker 1: wanted to know, are we sure that this guy is
Speaker 1: World's agent? Because I can't believe that this guy's retiring
Speaker 1: when he has an opportunity for transformative wealth. I mean,
Speaker 1: he got nine million last year into the transition tag,
Speaker 1: but come on, you've got three or four more years.
Speaker 1: Probably would have had about million or something. He already
Speaker 1: has transformative wealth. I guess if you do your money
Speaker 1: and handle your money, well, he should have enough money
Speaker 1: to live comfortably anyway. But this would have put him.
Speaker 1: This would have been the one where you could like
Speaker 1: take care of future generations of worlds. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: the report came in today that he's going to work
Speaker 1: for the Jehovah's Witnesses. Good luck to him on that front. Um.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of Glenn Coffee Flummer,
Speaker 1: forty Niners running back third round pick who walked away
Speaker 1: in two thousand and ten to explore a career in religion.
Speaker 1: So the different similar The difference was you can't make
Speaker 1: a stronger statement about that it's not about the money
Speaker 1: than than being literally being a free agent ready to
Speaker 1: sign a check for twenty million dollars. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: someone that's putting in his convictions way ahead of what
Speaker 1: most people would ever consider the most famous Jehovah's witness
Speaker 1: of all time. Anybody know Jehovah? Yeah, sideshow, you know,
Speaker 1: behind the glass case? No idea. Michael Jackson as a child. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think West rode a nice column here
Speaker 1: on him. But it's like, what I don't think Michael Jackson, No, no,
Speaker 1: no about worlds? But you just dismissed me entirely there.
Speaker 1: How about that was a nice little nug But how
Speaker 1: about how about the Titans were Wasn't he their top target?
Speaker 1: It's just like anyone. People will do anything to avoid
Speaker 1: joining the Titans. We're just looking at it through a
Speaker 1: certain lens, though, we're looking at it through a worldly
Speaker 1: gains lens. And I think he's saying, world I don't
Speaker 1: care about that. No, it's cool, we can't. Maybe we
Speaker 1: don't understand. I'm just curious why you think I would
Speaker 1: know you. I thought you were an MJ fan, But
Speaker 1: are you is the question. I am, but not Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you don't even know what religion Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: is no idea. All right, we move on. He is Christian,
Speaker 1: That's all I say. Would have been somewhat obvious to you.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, huge God fan, that's my guy. Man. I've
Speaker 1: been a couple of times like I said, Oh God,
Speaker 1: here we go. Moving on more retirement stuff. Jake Locker,
Speaker 1: bigocker right now. Jake Locker has done the two thousand
Speaker 1: eleven number eight overall pick, just thirty career appearances with
Speaker 1: the tattoo wounds, uh injuries every year that he played
Speaker 1: in the league. He just walks away from the game
Speaker 1: after much reflection and discussion with my family. And uh,
Speaker 1: West got a little upset with me because I didn't
Speaker 1: uh here West had said that, oh, maybe he'll go
Speaker 1: back to baseball. Uh. And then I retweeted someone else
Speaker 1: from an outside outlet that had the same thought. West
Speaker 1: had it first. So Chris, maybe Jake Locker will go
Speaker 1: back to baseball. Yeah, that was a clown move. But
Speaker 1: I saw Sassler retweeted some other site last night on
Speaker 1: the world ten minutes after we had Oh I did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the world, what a world? A lot of free agency.
Speaker 1: He go on the listeners starting to deduce, is that
Speaker 1: anyone that's attached to this operation on any level when
Speaker 1: you're not here, needs to only be plugged into Greg West,
Speaker 1: Dan or myself. You can't have anything else happening in
Speaker 1: your life other than what they're You're trying to smoke
Speaker 1: us out of here. It is seventy nine thousand degrees.
Speaker 1: The most insulting part of this, West marks on his
Speaker 1: I got the vapors thing again the paperwor I got
Speaker 1: the vapors? Why is it? It's like it was like
Speaker 1: a forty degree ship. It feels like a producer trigger move.
Speaker 1: That's great. What's going on with the heat situation? No idea, guys.
Speaker 1: We're working on it sometimes and it's gonna roll with it. Guys. Conditions,
Speaker 1: playing the conditions, that's all. It is. The most insulting
Speaker 1: part of this whole locker news is that the Angels
Speaker 1: GM who owns the right to to locker and baseball,
Speaker 1: or at least the quote last night saying we have
Speaker 1: no interest. I don't. I don't think he was gonna
Speaker 1: go to He's like, what releases rights? If he wants
Speaker 1: to be we're not signing him. He's just hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I guess he's an injury liability whatever sport you play.
Speaker 1: I mean, Patrick Willis makes sense because he said his
Speaker 1: feet no longer allow him to play football. And Jake Locker,
Speaker 1: I think, was just thinking I cannot stay on the
Speaker 1: field for more than five games without getting hurt. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of taking more. I'm getting no offers. I think
Speaker 1: people wanted that. There were report that some teams wanted him.
Speaker 1: Jake McCown would feels fake to me. Everyone all these guys,
Speaker 1: all these bums are getting a ton of money. I
Speaker 1: wink he could have got something. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: there was a rash of like under thirty retirements. I
Speaker 1: think there are people were wondering what that's all about,
Speaker 1: and we're not allowed to make a guess. I don't
Speaker 1: think it mine. My strong guess is that you have
Speaker 1: to do it on a case by case basis. I
Speaker 1: don't think that just because Jake Locker is walking away,
Speaker 1: Jake Jackson world is walking away. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know that they're connected in any Does anyone want to
Speaker 1: get up on their soapbox because I saw it a
Speaker 1: lot yesterday, then dropped the line, oh can I get
Speaker 1: a piano for this? I respect player X. They're walking
Speaker 1: away from the game before the game walked away from him,
Speaker 1: turned the stristopher walking all right, we get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a nice movie. If a person that tweeted then
Speaker 1: but there was see, there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: people don't know how to handle what it breakups in general.
Speaker 1: I think Dan's really hitting on the Twitter point that
Speaker 1: everyone has to chime in with everything. Everybody has to say.
Speaker 1: Here's good for Patrick Willis. It's it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, my I really hope they recover that kidnapped child,
Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine that pain. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's like, who is hoping that the child is not
Speaker 1: going to heaven? It was not everyone who in the
Speaker 1: other day in a post because he didn't know how
Speaker 1: to get out of the post capped it off with
Speaker 1: our thoughts and prayers. I didn't say prayers. I said
Speaker 1: thoughts and I was I was genuinely feeling bad the
Speaker 1: guy got shot. I'm just saying saying, I don't think
Speaker 1: you said I thought you wouldn't go to your car,
Speaker 1: closed the door roll up the windows and stop and pause,
Speaker 1: meditate and think about this person situation at all. A well,
Speaker 1: we're here talking about Peeves. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: the mute button on Twitter? I love it, has to
Speaker 1: use it a few times this week that I normally
Speaker 1: I like it, but I think it's a cop out.
Speaker 1: I used to unfollow people and some of them were
Speaker 1: almost friends of mine, and they would get mad at
Speaker 1: me and stuff. But I just felt like that's more
Speaker 1: honest than than I'm all right everything on special occasions,
Speaker 1: and believe me, there are occasions when you need amen.
Speaker 1: Moving forward, the Chicago Bears, it looks like they're gonna
Speaker 1: have Jay Cutler behind center again. A lot of people thought,
Speaker 1: I never quite bought into this, because you're gonna dump
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, who's you know, painting the ass obviously, but
Speaker 1: there's but then you're gonna go get Jake Locker out
Speaker 1: of retirement of something. Who wins in that case anyway?
Speaker 1: So Ryan Paced, the new GM came out, told reporters
Speaker 1: at a press conference on Wednesday, we went through the
Speaker 1: process of third thoroughly evaluating the roster, and we're moving
Speaker 1: forward with Jake Cutler. With Jay, I went first name,
Speaker 1: which just tells you that there's a connection there. Jay
Speaker 1: is our starting quarterbacks, so Greg, this is uh, it
Speaker 1: looks like we're gonna have one more year of Jay
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I think we're gonna have to I'm going
Speaker 1: to translate that quote for you quote. No one would
Speaker 1: take this contract that the previous administration signed, and we
Speaker 1: have no choice but to keep Jacob. We're eating the
Speaker 1: duty or he's not really lying. I mean they're they're right,
Speaker 1: he's their starting quarterback because they have no choice. I
Speaker 1: had to hit the old dictionary dot com a few
Speaker 1: seconds ago look up the opposite of galvanize, because they
Speaker 1: just disheartened their fan base. We just moved. I'd sweet
Speaker 1: yesterday that the Bears were the loser of free agency
Speaker 1: because they have Cutler and the other thirty one teams
Speaker 1: are the winners because they don't have Cutler. And the
Speaker 1: response was, oh, man, you're gonna have to block Bears
Speaker 1: fans all day. I don't have to block a single
Speaker 1: Bears fan they know. I think every new regime should
Speaker 1: be allowed to remove or eliminate one move by the
Speaker 1: previous wait because in some sport has that NBA has
Speaker 1: that the amnesty clause, they get to do that. Well
Speaker 1: they basically they used to be able to amnesty a player, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean this is trustman comes in, has one great
Speaker 1: here with the team. They decide, oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: he can fix ja color because they knew he wasn't fixed.
Speaker 1: We'll give him more time. You sign this ridiculous contract
Speaker 1: and the only the timing again kills him because when
Speaker 1: you know you want to get out, there's no one
Speaker 1: to go get It's it's a killer. And I know
Speaker 1: we're not to this portion of the programming, but you
Speaker 1: you were asking for the word what's the opposite of galvanize?
Speaker 1: And I feel like this picture and maybe we'll put
Speaker 1: it up on the website is gonna do that. Not
Speaker 1: only for Texans fans. It's Brian Hoyer in a cheap
Speaker 1: suit signing his contract, but also Mark I feel likes
Speaker 1: de looks. He looks like a Game Stop employee. It's
Speaker 1: got to be annoying, though, Is it annoying for for
Speaker 1: you to see? Howyer? I guess you were done with Hoyer. Well,
Speaker 1: I would take Mallet and Hoyer over Cleveland's quarterback scenario
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, there are you take it anyway, that's
Speaker 1: not saying a whole lot. Here's a good here's an
Speaker 1: interesting one. Would you take Cutler as his currently paid
Speaker 1: over Mallett and Hoyer, but over McCown Never. I want
Speaker 1: if you don't have a good quarterback, I want a
Speaker 1: situation you can get out of. Yeah, I would take cover,
Speaker 1: but I'm the last. You are a huge Cutler apologist.
Speaker 1: Because he's not on your team, it's easier. I mean no,
Speaker 1: I've even given up on that. Who who hasn't, But
Speaker 1: I'd still rather have the twentieth best quarterback than the seven.
Speaker 1: So it's like, why not have him? Your dream team
Speaker 1: is filled with creeps and criminals. Well, and I apologize
Speaker 1: for taking the shot at Cleveland spring Steen there, but
Speaker 1: he just doesn't really look like doesn't look like an
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback to me. That's all I stopped listening to
Speaker 1: you guys like hashtag we are Texans Bears also gave
Speaker 1: uh what forty million to Purnell McPhee, who is on
Speaker 1: my list of guys who could get overpaid, So I
Speaker 1: we'll find out if that was over pain. By the way,
Speaker 1: speaking of are Sandwich bet we didn't really bring it
Speaker 1: up there are no betting. There's no betting, but it's
Speaker 1: propositions sixty million for Sue we now know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna get there with all those
Speaker 1: running backs. Yeah, it's gonna be close, though. Murray is
Speaker 1: the key guy. You know Ingram got a decent I
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a chance if it's if
Speaker 1: Spiller and Murray come through. Uh, here's somebody who got
Speaker 1: a lot of money. That deal, Julius Thomas and the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars has done. It's a five year contract. Uh.
Speaker 1: That average is nine point two million per season, twenty
Speaker 1: four million guaranteed for a guy that, uh, you may
Speaker 1: have heard played basketball in college. You know it's a
Speaker 1: small school. And now he's a guy that plays tight
Speaker 1: end in the NFL and he's making twenty four million
Speaker 1: guaranteed on a big contract. Mark, are you convinced? Obviously,
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't imagine he's gonna have the same
Speaker 1: type of touchdown production twelve in the last two years
Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning. But is this gonna work? Because you're
Speaker 1: a good person to ask you. You loved the Jags
Speaker 1: last year. You believe in Borders and the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And do you think that adding a weapon like this
Speaker 1: will work for this offense and for Julius Thomas? Well,
Speaker 1: why don't what you mean by work? But it's not
Speaker 1: going to be. He's a productive player, pro Bowl type player,
Speaker 1: should just paid. I don't know if he'll be a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type player. I mean, I want if he
Speaker 1: wants motivation, he should just log on Twitter, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people seem to think that this guy is
Speaker 1: the one guy who's gonna fall off a cliff. Our
Speaker 1: own Dave Damashek called him just a guy on Twitter
Speaker 1: about An said it's perfect to go to Jacksonville because
Speaker 1: he's a Jag. Oh, but I think that they've gone
Speaker 1: and found themselves, you know, the prototypical playmaking type of
Speaker 1: tight end, one of your newer types that you want
Speaker 1: to have as a safety valve and and more for
Speaker 1: your quarterback. And they have found the quarterback last offseason.
Speaker 1: So it's a good addition. I mean, but but how
Speaker 1: do we project in a much lesser offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: anyone that leaves Peyton Manning is in for a swoon.
Speaker 1: And in top five yards he had about the same
Speaker 1: amount of yards last year as Scott Chandler right. He
Speaker 1: also missed a bunch of games had a high ankle
Speaker 1: train for half the season. The injuries are part of
Speaker 1: the part of the story with him, as they would
Speaker 1: have been on pace on pace to set a touchdown
Speaker 1: record halfway through the season before those injuries slowed. He
Speaker 1: played thirteen games, so but he played with it with
Speaker 1: the high ankles, played through pain. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 1: Knock a guy for not I mean, your boy Gronk
Speaker 1: didn't even play in the Super Bowl when he had
Speaker 1: But he's getting paid like I think he's getting more
Speaker 1: money than Gronk because he made it to the open markets.
Speaker 1: Fair and if you're the Jaguars, you gotta do what
Speaker 1: the Raiders don't do. Just over pay for transcendent to
Speaker 1: No one's paying more right now than the Jags, and
Speaker 1: I respect him for it. Just go for it, try
Speaker 1: to get better. Steak there three and thirteen last season.
Speaker 1: At least eleven losses four years in a row. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get that fan base energized, putting all that
Speaker 1: money into the stadium. The ownership is is trying to
Speaker 1: connect with the people, spend some money. I like what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And if you believe in that quarterback, and
Speaker 1: you believe them enough to shock people by taking boardles
Speaker 1: number three, you gotta give him some weapons and see
Speaker 1: if he can play. And one thing, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that it's all skill players in free agency and
Speaker 1: everyone's going crazy. But if they fix that offensive line,
Speaker 1: which they tried to do by getting Alex Mack last
Speaker 1: year that fell through, that team is different on offense.
Speaker 1: If they can find a couple of guys to come
Speaker 1: in and protet Jeremy Parnell, I mean, they're being a risk,
Speaker 1: they're being bold, which I like they're thinking. Originally, it
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of the Seahawks. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: projecting guys Adric Parnell, Dan Scuda who came in to
Speaker 1: have to have much bigger roles then they really had
Speaker 1: in their previous spot, and they're paying them and there
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be on the line. I mean, if
Speaker 1: they win three or four games next year, I don't
Speaker 1: know if this rebuilding continue getting young players at least
Speaker 1: unlike Oakland last off season and this offseason. The Bermuda
Speaker 1: Triangle of the NFL, as you call, the Jags are
Speaker 1: the one that are jumping up and down and say,
Speaker 1: pay attention to us, the Jags, of Titans and the Falcons,
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle, the NFL. If you work for NFL media,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to write about them. So I try
Speaker 1: to give them attention. Um, but what did you say yesterday?
Speaker 1: You tried with the Titans, but they don't want they
Speaker 1: don't want attention. Well, they called, well even admitted their
Speaker 1: GM that they had five big targets going into the
Speaker 1: agency and they only got three of them and the
Speaker 1: two they didn't get, which he did not say, but
Speaker 1: we can surmise from reporting and various sources that it
Speaker 1: was mccordy and cop Now that would have been awesome
Speaker 1: if you had gotten one of those two. Three is
Speaker 1: pretty good along with this group. Yeah, but the other
Speaker 1: you know, no one was fighting them for Parnell and
Speaker 1: Adrick at those prices. One thing we've learned, UH fans
Speaker 1: should stop falling for the we've got the most salary
Speaker 1: cap space rouse that these teams pool. It's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1: Teams like the Raiders and the Jags have all the
Speaker 1: salary cap space. Meanwhile good teams like the Packers devote
Speaker 1: that space to resigning Randall cob Brian Balaga, their own
Speaker 1: core talent, young core players that Raiders have no core,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have no core. They can't go spend that money.
Speaker 1: If you run your team properly and you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a nest thing to go into free
Speaker 1: agency each year, you could target guys you specifically need,
Speaker 1: rather than be the team that has a bare cupboard
Speaker 1: and then have all this money and then just throw
Speaker 1: contracts of guys that aren't even good and nobody wants
Speaker 1: to play for what's the harder part. It's how do
Speaker 1: you bring in talented players that know they're going from
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to a team with no quarterback? And we've
Speaker 1: seen this in the NBA. Little here's my second NBA analogy,
Speaker 1: and the day everyone was saving up cap space for
Speaker 1: a while and then the cap exploded and suddenly the
Speaker 1: cap didn't matter nearly as much as it used to,
Speaker 1: and so previous moves like trading James Harden for instance,
Speaker 1: And in the NFL, I think this cap is gonna
Speaker 1: keep going up more and more, so we need to
Speaker 1: all and I need to do it too, recalibrate like, oh,
Speaker 1: they overpaid Julius Thomas. Like by the fourth year of
Speaker 1: that contract, it's probably not gonna look too crazy. The
Speaker 1: Caps just going up and up and up. Alright, quick
Speaker 1: over under the game with Julius Thomas. Here we go,
Speaker 1: yes or no? Start with you mark reception under under
Speaker 1: west over over yards smart under under under seven touchdowns
Speaker 1: push over a gonna be alright. We talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about Frank Gore earlier, but let's just go through
Speaker 1: the specifics there. Uh. He signed this deal now with
Speaker 1: the Colts UH eight and a half million in guarantees.
Speaker 1: So goodbye to Trent Richardson, Hello to Frank Gore. Uh. Greg.
Speaker 1: This is a team that obviously with this move and
Speaker 1: also they they've signed Andre Johnson, uh, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: from the Texans. Of course, this is a team that's
Speaker 1: going all in to win. Now, one game from the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl last year, I think I gotta go this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not just adding veterans. They're adding Frank
Speaker 1: Gore and Andre Johnson old veterans now they're I mean,
Speaker 1: but they're guys who are still playing well, who have
Speaker 1: been among the very best players in the NFL and leaders,
Speaker 1: and I think played very well last year. Now they
Speaker 1: get to play alongside Andrew Like. I love the fact
Speaker 1: that Gore says he wanted to play with Luck, like
Speaker 1: that was one of the big things about it. And
Speaker 1: he changed his mind from Philly to Indie and because
Speaker 1: he's been watching Luck, and I mean, I love that
Speaker 1: I would want to play with Andrew Luck to Andre
Speaker 1: Johnson said the same thing. Rap Sheet reported the Chargers
Speaker 1: offered more than the Colts for Andre Johnson. The plane
Speaker 1: was repped up waiting to fly Andre Johnson to San Diego.
Speaker 1: He chose the Colts because he wanted to play with
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck Griggson. I mean he's suggressive. He's also swung
Speaker 1: and missed on a few things. He's a little bit.
Speaker 1: He was so smart to take Andrew Luck at number
Speaker 1: one overall. But it's a little rot to me because
Speaker 1: the robber of the just everything Adam done. But he's
Speaker 1: going for it while they have a great window here
Speaker 1: with Luck and whatever it is that they're going for it.
Speaker 1: Trent Cole was a signing I like to uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think Todd Harriman's Kendall Langford. They've gotten
Speaker 1: a few they filled a few holes. How fun is
Speaker 1: this team? I mean, they were already the team I
Speaker 1: like to watch just about the most other than the
Speaker 1: page and now they're now they're adding Gore. How painful
Speaker 1: is this move? I don't think we because none of
Speaker 1: us are Texans fans, but this is the least This
Speaker 1: is the most painful move you could possibly make. If
Speaker 1: there's a Texans fans, if you're coming up with one
Speaker 1: trans action that would be the most painful in the
Speaker 1: history of Texans franchise. It's Andre Johnson to the Colt.
Speaker 1: It's gonna lead to some great serious John McLean tweets.
Speaker 1: Yeah I will. I mean they couldn't they They can't
Speaker 1: win in Indianapolis and never happened. And now they're gonna
Speaker 1: have Andrew Johnson do it while he's you know, polishing
Speaker 1: up his Canton credentials with a member of the Coult.
Speaker 1: That's this year, Steve Smith. Alright, one more before we
Speaker 1: get to our speed round and we get out of here.
Speaker 1: This will be the longest around the NFL podcast of
Speaker 1: all time, but in a good way, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot to cover. By popular demand, All killer, no filler. Alright, finally, West,
Speaker 1: I'll que you up on this because you wrote the
Speaker 1: post the Buccaneers. Come on, Fox, you gotta be kidding
Speaker 1: me with this stuff. So they went out and spent
Speaker 1: all that money. They got Anthony Collins. Last year, they
Speaker 1: got Michael Johnson, same regime. One year later, Josh McCown.
Speaker 1: Josh McCown. All three of those guys are gone, Collins
Speaker 1: and Michael Johnson. Most recently, they added Bruce Carter, which
Speaker 1: might be a pretty good signing the Cowboys linebacker. But
Speaker 1: to drop Anthony Collins and Michael Johnson to take the
Speaker 1: money hit that they're taking on it, which what was it? Exactly? Like?
Speaker 1: What are they what kind of penalty assessing themselves with this?
Speaker 1: When these three guys signed last March, the reported money
Speaker 1: for all of them was over eighty million and over
Speaker 1: forty million guaranteed, and they all three of them lasted
Speaker 1: one year. I don't think you can talk about Jason
Speaker 1: Light's first years bucks GM without using the phrase abject failure.
Speaker 1: I mean, GM is very rarely last one year. But
Speaker 1: if there was ever a case to be made, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta give another chance. Guys make mistakes.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying right. I like this New West I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's a bad general manager, but his first
Speaker 1: free agency attempt might have taught him a few less,
Speaker 1: basically saying, I would rather keep the players the last
Speaker 1: general manager picked than the ones I picked at the
Speaker 1: disappointment if they didn't have Jamis Winston coming in. It's
Speaker 1: about as low as any franchises right now. I think Tennessee,
Speaker 1: if I was Tennessee, if I was making a hopeless
Speaker 1: rankings would be they'd be at the top. But the
Speaker 1: Bucks are close that they're getting James Twinston's just their quarterback.
Speaker 1: Come week, they got Harry Douglas. Now they got somebody
Speaker 1: to put on the program. Now, by the way, I
Speaker 1: have something to add for this Speed rounds fits right
Speaker 1: in its Why don't we Why don't we talk about that?
Speaker 1: And then we'll go to the street. Well it's kind
Speaker 1: of speed round worthy. Okay, all right, how about this TV?
Speaker 1: It's now time for this made round? Uh started off
Speaker 1: Greg breaking news out in New England. Jabal Seared goes
Speaker 1: to the Patriots, one of Mark's favorite players, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite Browns too. I like it. I love this, Sonny.
Speaker 1: I am annoyed why Jabal sheared like this would have
Speaker 1: been we wanted. We want to keep our own drafted players.
Speaker 1: How about we sign your own guys? Outrage all right?
Speaker 1: Rules of the Speed Round. The Benny Hill sponsors Speed
Speaker 1: Round gotta be fast. Here we go forty Niners. Tori
Speaker 1: Smith strike five year, forty million dollar deal The Deep
Speaker 1: Threat for Baltimore. Now the Deep that for the Niners.
Speaker 1: Nice move, mark, nice edition for four win team Like
Speaker 1: might you potty uh plans to leave? The forty nine
Speaker 1: is for the Arizona Cardinals. Of the guard one of
Speaker 1: the best guards on the market. Cardinals get stronger guard.
Speaker 1: That was necessary. Rights love this move. If Jonathan Cooper
Speaker 1: pans out there could have one of the best guard
Speaker 1: pans in the league. You partty goes to show how
Speaker 1: little we as analysts. No great players played through a
Speaker 1: broke bass. We need a skinny played through a broken
Speaker 1: foot last year. If you're accusing him a bad pass protection,
Speaker 1: you don't know the full detail. Mr Smith goes to
Speaker 1: Washington West. You're out of that was terrible. You will
Speaker 1: be banned for one round of Speed Round. Here we go,
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick Gregg Sides of the Jets. See I'm happy.
Speaker 1: That's it. I mean, you're you're all happy about Darrell Remus.
Speaker 1: You have Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's your quarterback. Shut up, jerk, Mark.
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer and the Texans reach agreement on two year deal.
Speaker 1: Did we already talked about this age of glory? But
Speaker 1: I want my speed round back two thousand eleven. Bills,
Speaker 1: gotta put them back together on the Jets. Remove funny
Speaker 1: enough to come back Shane Free Shane and expected to
Speaker 1: land with the Giants West. Uh, they've got a new
Speaker 1: passing down back because Rashad Jennings was supposed to be
Speaker 1: their passing down back, Budd he got injured all year
Speaker 1: last year. Bill's preparing offer for Charles Clay the Miami Dolphins. Gregg.
Speaker 1: They didn't pay him off, apparently to keep in the building.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go all right back off with the private planes, Bills,
Speaker 1: Charles Clay and Jerome Felton, you gotta be a little
Speaker 1: better to get the private plane. The Tennessee Titans, the Tytoons,
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are, but apparently Harry Douglas
Speaker 1: is on that team now. Also, they resigned their long snapper,
Speaker 1: their punter, and a Searcy fellow Wesley. It's just depressing, disheartening, disgusting.
Speaker 1: And lastly, Mark, the Bears signed Pernell McPhee to a
Speaker 1: five year deal, missing piece like the signing way too
Speaker 1: much money. All right, good job West. You got a
Speaker 1: little talking in that one part. But overall, sometimes I
Speaker 1: have a point I need to make it. Let me
Speaker 1: make it. I have to tell people off something. And
Speaker 1: the Speed Round, though, you know, it's a little different game.
Speaker 1: That's all the species. West shifts into massive filibuster during
Speaker 1: speed they undermine speed round. The speed Round in Tybee
Speaker 1: is like two hours left until the bar closed. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's the speed Round. They're moving at their own pace.
Speaker 1: We stay after all right. So that's it for Wednesday's
Speaker 1: edition of The Around, a supersized edition of The Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. We're gonna be back on Thursday. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back here talking about another day of free
Speaker 1: agency and what is a mega week for the NFL.
Speaker 1: Uh So make sure you tune in. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: Since Dan Hanson signing off for a Mark Sessler and
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Speaker 1: the Glass Till Thursday,