Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast initiate Phase three. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to another differ of the Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansus, and I am joined by a
Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosa.
Speaker 1: What's up buys the band back together? Reunion? That one
Speaker 1: of those reunions where Art Alexakis uh is there and
Speaker 1: then nobody else from ever clear, it's it's everyone's here,
Speaker 1: the whole band. That was the example I chose to use.
Speaker 1: I was so excited during that intro with us all here,
Speaker 1: I was gonna throw my pen at Chris or Mark.
Speaker 1: Then I realized I like having my pen during the podcast.
Speaker 1: Also an HR violation of some sort and dangerous by
Speaker 1: the way, I gotta I gotta say something Dane like that,
Speaker 1: it is nice to be back together. But within like
Speaker 1: five minutes of being in the studio, we find out
Speaker 1: that TD has watched all four Transformed and you know
Speaker 1: there were for all four Transformer movies, and it's never
Speaker 1: seen a Godfather. I mean, this is the future of
Speaker 1: this country, in our in our society. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to start. It's just so we can weigh them against
Speaker 1: t D. Come on t Well, what I say is
Speaker 1: I've listened to enough hip hop albums to feel like
Speaker 1: I've seen the God. I have something else to talk
Speaker 1: about with about t D a little later with the
Speaker 1: silver screen. But we'll say that for a little later
Speaker 1: in the show. Uh. We got a big show with
Speaker 1: a big group here, all four of us, you old dog,
Speaker 1: we are going to it is that time. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna do news. We always do news, and that's fun.
Speaker 1: But the real the the anchor of today's show will
Speaker 1: be It happens every year around this time, football heads gather,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal and Chris Wesley put their minds together and
Speaker 1: they come up with a list, a list that decides
Speaker 1: the cream of the crop of the NFL free agents.
Speaker 1: They number it one and one top free Agents of
Speaker 1: the NFL, and we will debut that list. Wait wait,
Speaker 1: wait for today the podcast. We're gonna go out there
Speaker 1: at the top one on one free agent list that listen.
Speaker 1: This is an important list, the boss that that we use,
Speaker 1: of course on our website, on our around the NFL
Speaker 1: group we talked about on the show, but the entire
Speaker 1: NFL media group uses this like a bible oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The executive producer of next week's programming was they were
Speaker 1: hot after us to get this list to them so
Speaker 1: they could build their boards and magnets and I don't
Speaker 1: know what else, but they were actually debuting it here.
Speaker 1: So if you're a big time fan of the podcast
Speaker 1: and you listen to this Thursday night, you're actually getting
Speaker 1: a little ahead of everyone else. This is the only
Speaker 1: time of year when like a shadowy leak for go
Speaker 1: roll over to our pod and be like, hey man,
Speaker 1: where's Tory Smith on this list? And then you guys
Speaker 1: fill them in and like we we are more important
Speaker 1: and this by proxy for me. Uh, during this time
Speaker 1: of year. And Mark, you have some issues because it's
Speaker 1: become more of a West Gregg joint and sometimes it
Speaker 1: feels like you want in on that. I have my
Speaker 1: own list. You said, you said you're making your own list.
Speaker 1: Made it okay? I believe I've talked to you off
Speaker 1: to the side a couple of times and asked you
Speaker 1: if you would like to be a part of it
Speaker 1: and would write some of it. I don't remember that alright,
Speaker 1: So but uh, don't don't worry. Mark and I have
Speaker 1: on our own side. We are not scientists. We're not
Speaker 1: in any lab putting together things. But we have our
Speaker 1: own list that we will be debuting during this breakdown
Speaker 1: at the top of one of so get ready for
Speaker 1: that anyway, but we're gonna get to that in due time.
Speaker 1: And uh TV, by the way, what's any update on
Speaker 1: what when West is toasting? Before we get the news? Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of getting a lot of tweets
Speaker 1: right now. So I mean just let you guys know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of tweets. So you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: stand out in hundred and characters. You gotta make yourself
Speaker 1: stand out. Okay, Just you can't just say I went
Speaker 1: in right. I've seen a lot of that. What can
Speaker 1: they do as an example, because you don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of characters? Well you don't. But one guy was
Speaker 1: like he's been training in the Himalayas and coggressive. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well this guy might don't even have
Speaker 1: the internet in the Himalayas. In today's technology, can get
Speaker 1: to stand out on your tweet, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: a photo, maybe it's a photoshop of the guys something,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the whole thing that's fair make
Speaker 1: a listeners work. That guy also knows football trivia or
Speaker 1: has just been in the mountains NFL encyclopeedple they have
Speaker 1: been to the mounta. I mean, let's be honest, TD
Speaker 1: and Chris don't care about if they know football. They're
Speaker 1: just trying to line up and to keep this whole
Speaker 1: charade going. Look, do not cast dispersions on my character
Speaker 1: just because you were a friend. You were afraid to
Speaker 1: defend your title against me, told me it would never happen.
Speaker 1: I'm dan king over here, just counting my millions you
Speaker 1: guys viewed towards the big rematch. This is the guy
Speaker 1: he tweets out as a well respect to science to bunk.
Speaker 1: I feel it's my duty, nay responsibility, to knock off
Speaker 1: the scientists. Chris West, okay is a science bunker and
Speaker 1: and that's fine, but he has to if people aren't familiar,
Speaker 1: we need to pass a screening trivia exam to get
Speaker 1: to West. So but I would say we should rubber
Speaker 1: stamp him into the trials. Okay. This is a fascinating
Speaker 1: new twenty one century philosophy debunking science. It's like the
Speaker 1: coaches that are against analytics. All right, let's do some news.
Speaker 1: T d oh man, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey.
Speaker 1: Every time Mark Sso speaks is all I hear? You
Speaker 1: know what? Oh man, hey, hey, who is that? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I like all being back in the same
Speaker 1: that's from the Chappelle she self from back in the day. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do some news. We'll start with the
Speaker 1: big news on a bit of a slow newsday Thursday.
Speaker 1: But Adrian Peterson, uh the suspension of the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 1: running back has been overturned. NFL media insider Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: reported Thursday that US US District Judge David S. Doty
Speaker 1: is ruled in favor of Peterson, granting nfl p a
Speaker 1: motion to vacate a previous ruling by Harold Henderson and
Speaker 1: to break down the legal end of things. We throw
Speaker 1: it to Mark Sesler. I mean, this Doughty guy is
Speaker 1: like the monster that just keeps popping up at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie. You think you're done with this situation,
Speaker 1: and then bang, you're ready to post about Judge Doughty again.
Speaker 1: It's all right, that's nice, TD, have a nice time
Speaker 1: with yourself. Uh No, so anyway, you know, he's not
Speaker 1: reinstated Peterson. It should be important to say in the
Speaker 1: NFL still has recourse. They just appealed, literally since we
Speaker 1: walked up here ten minutes ago, they've officially appealed, and
Speaker 1: for now, the NFL says Peterson has been returned to
Speaker 1: the commissioner examples. But it does set up a situation
Speaker 1: where the Vikings have to be ready to make a
Speaker 1: decision sooner than later because it's going to against them
Speaker 1: and it seems like he's going to be back on
Speaker 1: the rosters soon. Wes is shaking his head. Just leave
Speaker 1: it alone. The NFL got what it wanted. Peterson went
Speaker 1: away last year when it was a touchy subject. Let
Speaker 1: it go, let him play. I support the NFL and
Speaker 1: all its endeavors. Well, they you know when it when
Speaker 1: it does come up, whether it's you know, a week,
Speaker 1: two weeks, even if it was the middle of March.
Speaker 1: They have a few options, and we've talked about them.
Speaker 1: They could bring him back at his current salary, which
Speaker 1: risks some sort of standoff. They could give him some
Speaker 1: extra money, which Ian Rappaport indicated would make him happy
Speaker 1: and would probably settle everything. Or they could trade him
Speaker 1: and we threw out a couple of names on the
Speaker 1: website today, the Colts, Cardinals, Cowboys, and Jaguars. Let's just
Speaker 1: say there's been well, these were four teams that we
Speaker 1: know have an interest in running backs, could have the
Speaker 1: wherewithal to do it, and there's you know, let's say
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of buzz, a little bit of
Speaker 1: buzz about these teams. You trade him at that money though, well,
Speaker 1: I think Peterson would have to be willing to do
Speaker 1: some sort of new contract with the new team, which
Speaker 1: I think he would be open to doing, maybe to
Speaker 1: lowering the cap number, and you give up a draft pick.
Speaker 1: Hey it's Adrian Peters. But because this is this is
Speaker 1: beyond um my paygrade. So he's back on the exemp list.
Speaker 1: So but everything's off the table now again because he
Speaker 1: can't be involved in any league matters while he's on
Speaker 1: the exemplist. I would assume right for now, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can't do but it's I really think this will expedite
Speaker 1: it that you gotta get an answer here before free agency.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that Peterson's father today had
Speaker 1: the same teams listed, with the exception of the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: He did I didn't even know that. He said that
Speaker 1: the the Colts, Cowboys, and Cardinals have shown interest completely
Speaker 1: left the Jaguars out of the pictures. We need to
Speaker 1: add that to my post. By the way, if the
Speaker 1: Chargers do lam Peterson, there will be an epic San
Speaker 1: Diego Superchargers performance in the around the NFL studio Charger.
Speaker 1: I think we said Cardinals, but I'm saying if the
Speaker 1: Chargers want the know on this team of at L Chargers.
Speaker 1: Once you're on, you never get off in a way,
Speaker 1: your heart's always good, all right? Moving forward, Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: and the Broncos working on a contract. According to Mike
Speaker 1: Clice of the Denver Post, who first reported of possible
Speaker 1: movement on the contract, the two sides have begun discussion
Speaker 1: discussions to rework the deal. According to NFL median sider
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport, are we heading? Are we heading towards the
Speaker 1: end of this now where we can move forward with
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning still in the Broncos. The first sign that
Speaker 1: he's willing to compromise on this right right, Ian, who
Speaker 1: doesn't usually jump into opinion, really made it clear when
Speaker 1: he reported this that this is the clearest sign that
Speaker 1: he's definitely coming back, and this is he basically thinks
Speaker 1: it's over that this information was definitely, um something that
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise the team that it got out there, and
Speaker 1: I think they're ready, and they're they're ready to party
Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning's So I guess I'll give up Belie
Speaker 1: his night marker. You have you given up that you
Speaker 1: almost had the ultimate sessh that's true. Yeah, I'm annoyed.
Speaker 1: I'm agitated because instead of this being clear cut in
Speaker 1: my direction, it's, you know, in a hazy fashion. It's
Speaker 1: just me owing more sandwiches to you guys. UM constant
Speaker 1: theme for like the last three years, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do our as we did last year. Um,
Speaker 1: are go get my lunch? Uh sandwich propositions for free
Speaker 1: agency predictions next week, which means we got to settle
Speaker 1: up some scores. We need to figure it out. You've
Speaker 1: been honking about how you want a couple of hail
Speaker 1: Mary's there with Richie. Great job, by the way, putting
Speaker 1: yourself on that guy's team, But overall, I think I'm
Speaker 1: about in the middle here. We gotta find out the
Speaker 1: standings for just this year. So the guy who keeps
Speaker 1: track of our Twitter account. Let we need to figure
Speaker 1: it out from the start of Jeney Camp to now
Speaker 1: what's what's called me? A simpleton? I know, I love
Speaker 1: when the guy sends us the chart, but just like
Speaker 1: give me raw data, like who owes what h and
Speaker 1: we'll buy some sandwiches because otherwise there's no since going
Speaker 1: on with this guy. He's the man best Twitter account,
Speaker 1: very accurate. He has that weird like friends photoshop photo though,
Speaker 1: no need to rush with that data. Let's sit on that, alright,
Speaker 1: anything else in Peyton man, I guess no, okay, alright.
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush has been released by the Detroit Lines. The
Speaker 1: running back, who is now twenty nine years old, was
Speaker 1: due three point to five million on the heels of
Speaker 1: a season in which he missed a lot of time
Speaker 1: with an ankle injury. And let's face it, despite the
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush hype train rolling into Detroit every August, he's
Speaker 1: never quite been the guy he or really anyone's ever
Speaker 1: wanted him to be out of USC. So now he's
Speaker 1: back on the open market. I'll throw this one to you,
Speaker 1: Mr Scientists. Chris Westling I did offseason forecast on the Saints.
Speaker 1: We wrapped up that series on Thursday. I threw it
Speaker 1: out there that the Saints could be a play so
Speaker 1: home coming for Reggie Bush. Does that make any sense
Speaker 1: to you? Uh? I think financially the Saints are and
Speaker 1: worst salary captain any team, in the worst couch salary
Speaker 1: cap shaped than any team. I can't see them getting
Speaker 1: another bloated veteran contract. That's what they're trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of. But I will throw one back to you.
Speaker 1: Shane Vereen prices himself out of New England's plans. Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush becomes the passing down back for Tom Brady. I
Speaker 1: could see that. It's pretty good. Yeah, because maybe he's
Speaker 1: not gonna he'd accept a little less money. But it's
Speaker 1: less about that because you you were talking about bloated
Speaker 1: contracts and the in the Saints aren't really in position
Speaker 1: to spend even three or four million dollars on a
Speaker 1: running back. They've got to do that. They might as
Speaker 1: well get mark Ingram. But I don't think he's got
Speaker 1: to cost a bouch at this point. I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's in the year to year phase of his career,
Speaker 1: maybe two years, six millions. I mean he's not gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot so ahead. Obviously, that's a lot of
Speaker 1: money for a team that has Pierre Thomas, Kyrae Robinson
Speaker 1: in travers. That's fair. I feel like the Lions came
Speaker 1: to Bush and tried to get him to lower his
Speaker 1: costs and he basically probably said no behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he's gone, And it's like we reported
Speaker 1: that on NFL Network. Actually, Heath Evans doing a little
Speaker 1: bit of investigative work to texted his old team, Reggie Bush.
Speaker 1: I think the Lions and are going to nice fingerwork. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: but that's Detroit. Wouldn't you say, I'm not taking a
Speaker 1: pay cut to beat to live in Detroit? A second?
Speaker 1: How do you say no? You just said no offense
Speaker 1: after you offended. Detroit is on the rebound. By the way,
Speaker 1: if you've not been following Chris or kid Rocks, Detroit's fine.
Speaker 1: But he's backing up joke ball. It's cold. Reggie Bush
Speaker 1: can go somewhere else. That's all I'm saying. Reggie Bush
Speaker 1: and Detroit. That should have worked better than it did.
Speaker 1: I'm over wherever he ends up. I'm not gonna get
Speaker 1: crazy about Reggie Bush. But it worked for one year
Speaker 1: and then career yards from scrimmage last year. The year before,
Speaker 1: I mean he was injured for a lot. I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't have he wasn't on the field every He's
Speaker 1: always going to be injured. Yeah, he fumbled like eight
Speaker 1: times that year too. The bumble, All right, Moving forward,
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, who is uh the bell of the ball
Speaker 1: right now, the pre free agency bell of the ball
Speaker 1: has visited multiple teams, including a two day visit in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: I wish we had underdog cities. I wish you had
Speaker 1: a camera just on Mark shaking his head during the show.
Speaker 1: He was literally rolling his eyes and I don't know
Speaker 1: who there's I don't know to the idea of Josh
Speaker 1: m caill is the bell of It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: it is anymore. Well, it's just you just don't like
Speaker 1: Josh mccawn. Which do you want to I don't know,
Speaker 1: finish finish out anyway. Josh McCown visited the Browns for
Speaker 1: two days. He also met with the Jets and the Bears.
Speaker 1: But now it looks like the Bills could be the
Speaker 1: leader in the clubhouse to lock down this gifted passer.
Speaker 1: Uh serious about that? But Anyway, the Buffalo News and
Speaker 1: then the AP reported Thursday that the two sides have
Speaker 1: started negotiations on a new contract, and according to an
Speaker 1: NFL source, a deal could be done by Friday. To me,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that that this would be There isn't
Speaker 1: a lot out there as we know that Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: and the Bills want somebody other than EJ. Manual to
Speaker 1: be fighting for a job, and here's Josh McCown, who's
Speaker 1: one of the best for agent quarterbacks, So it makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. Well, I'm calling bs on this report
Speaker 1: though a little bit not to knock another cold Weather city,
Speaker 1: but what this report smells like is an agent saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know we're we're moving along with the Bills. So
Speaker 1: if there's any team out there that still wants to
Speaker 1: get him, like, this is your last chance. And when
Speaker 1: do we see reports they're negotiating and it could be
Speaker 1: ready by Friday, that's like, hey, please save me, but
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna go with. How inspector sniff
Speaker 1: that out? I think he's dead right and it's its
Speaker 1: You got to give this agent credit because whatever happened
Speaker 1: to Josh McCown last year, which was an abject disaster.
Speaker 1: It is rolled right off his back and all it's
Speaker 1: all the blame of the Buccaneers. Where m account emerges
Speaker 1: again probably is one of our making the leap candidates. This,
Speaker 1: this is, this is ridiculous. I do not understand how
Speaker 1: you bring Josh McCown in as your starting quarterback, because
Speaker 1: why not if you really care about developing a team,
Speaker 1: go find someone younger that we don't know what the
Speaker 1: ceiling is. McCown is a good babysitter. I I think
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade on Kyle Orton, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting. John John absolutely John Gruten today said two
Speaker 1: years why absolutely the Bears were on the brink of
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs because of Josh McCown's play, Because
Speaker 1: everything I've seen on film, he's better than last year.
Speaker 1: He's responsible for helping to churn out the worst team.
Speaker 1: You were able to let go of your Robert Griffin
Speaker 1: the third hot take. Eventually, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: time Chris to to to admit Josh McCown is not
Speaker 1: going to be making the leap. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: making the leap, but if I'm the Bills, I mean,
Speaker 1: what else is out there. I feel like this smells
Speaker 1: to me that that um last year Kyle Orton was
Speaker 1: a band aid, and I feel like they're just looking
Speaker 1: for another band aid. And they're in they're thinking big picture,
Speaker 1: that one of the super Bowl next year. So maybe
Speaker 1: they're trying to build the team, start building, have a
Speaker 1: nice quarterback, and then eventually get somebody. This is not
Speaker 1: a good year to find the quarterback. You've got a
Speaker 1: defense that's playoff caliber, you've got a couple of good receivers.
Speaker 1: You can come up with good running backs. You can't
Speaker 1: go into a season telling your fans and all the
Speaker 1: veterans in the locker room, look, we're gonna put this
Speaker 1: on E J. Manuel, but come up with that. I
Speaker 1: would almost say that any fan base that that's worth
Speaker 1: its salt can't feel a whole lot better about Josh
Speaker 1: McCown being the guy that's on the front of the tickets,
Speaker 1: in the in the program's either well. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you've got Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston going to Buffalo,
Speaker 1: I can understand that, all right. Moving on, Mike Wallace,
Speaker 1: who was once surprized free agent acquisition of the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 1: now on the trade block. NFL media insider Ian rapp
Speaker 1: Report reported on Total Access on Wednesday that Dolphins are
Speaker 1: exploring the trade route based not just on Wallace's play,
Speaker 1: but also is fit in the locker room? Of course? Uh,
Speaker 1: wall Wallas pulled himself out of the uh season finale
Speaker 1: and then had a teammates. Teammates speak on his behalf
Speaker 1: in the locker room and Chris Matt dog Russo that's
Speaker 1: a disgrace, mikey. Uh So this is what we're dealing
Speaker 1: with with Mike Wallace right now? Uh would you want
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace right now? Did you write the Tory Smith
Speaker 1: post the other day? I don't remember, Steve no O,
Speaker 1: someone wrote it, And to me, that sums up Mike
Speaker 1: Wallace's value that Steve Steve Bashotti, Ravens owner says Wallace
Speaker 1: got ten million a year and nobody thinks that's a
Speaker 1: good contract. Well, and and by the way, Dolphins, probably
Speaker 1: not the best way to trade your high priced receiver.
Speaker 1: Then to you know, talk about how poor he is
Speaker 1: in the locker room and that's why they get rid
Speaker 1: of him. So who's trading for Mike Wallace? This is
Speaker 1: generally the precursor to getting cut. So I think Wallace
Speaker 1: could be another one of those good names on the
Speaker 1: wide receiver free agent list that we're doing good being
Speaker 1: relative number one receiver and superstar. But you would want
Speaker 1: him as a starter. He's just overpaid, little teaser. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the wide receiver breakdown out of the top
Speaker 1: one on one, and you have Tori Smith at number
Speaker 1: four behind Cobb Thomas and does Bryant. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could you can make the argument that Wallace is number
Speaker 1: four on the wide receiver list right a pretty good market. Macklin,
Speaker 1: I would put him right in that man, maybe a
Speaker 1: little behind right now. Yeah, how much weight do you
Speaker 1: want to put into the fact that he quit on
Speaker 1: his team? Yeah? Moving on, John Iszick, I just want
Speaker 1: to throw this out there real quick. Has been hired
Speaker 1: as a consultant for the Jacksonville Jaguars. As he found
Speaker 1: out about it, I was gonna say, maybe week six.
Speaker 1: He finds out that he was hired, he starts getting
Speaker 1: paychecks and he's like, oh, I'm supposed to go down
Speaker 1: there also. So but by the way, Doug Moron also
Speaker 1: now in Jacksonville, So I don't know what what's going
Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville. Bradley just keeps you know, it's a
Speaker 1: reclamation project, one after the next. Because Bradley the savior,
Speaker 1: it's like the opposite of like the super Friends, like
Speaker 1: he's collecting the worst the lead of management from all over,
Speaker 1: the Leaden One group. I think the Legion of Doom
Speaker 1: was the opposite of the super Friends. They've have been
Speaker 1: a swamp morn posing than any outfit run by John
Speaker 1: and finally Mark, the New York Giants released. Peyton hillis
Speaker 1: former Brown's hero and Madden cover boy. I always think
Speaker 1: about you when I think of Peyton Hills because you
Speaker 1: were sent on like a two day journal journey way
Speaker 1: back in the day at NFL media to get in
Speaker 1: touch with fans or the the organization about hillis being
Speaker 1: a Madden cover boy. He came back with a hot
Speaker 1: take that was close to a thousand words. So your
Speaker 1: thoughts on possibly the end of Peyton hills NFL career.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this got into the news portion
Speaker 1: of this show, um, but yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 1: I think he's had three major concussions to that's probably
Speaker 1: why it's the end for him. But he was a
Speaker 1: patch for the Giants, and that's all he'd be. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Brown specifically. Did you think you had
Speaker 1: a seven year starter at one point? Listen, there was
Speaker 1: one game where Cleveland flamed the Patriots, like thirty four
Speaker 1: to ten. Colt McCoy ran for a touchdown, he looked juicy,
Speaker 1: and Peyton Hillis jumped over a Patriots defensive back and
Speaker 1: the thirty five yards or so had a big game.
Speaker 1: What happens that whole thing flames out. The Patriots don't
Speaker 1: lose another game that season to go on to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. That was the game. Rob Ryan eight. Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick's lunch, literally and figuratively, that's weird Bill Belichick's lunch.
Speaker 1: I remember, by the way, we've done a couple of
Speaker 1: different Peyton Hillis signs gets cut as part of our
Speaker 1: news on this podcast, and each time we kind of think,
Speaker 1: this is the last Peyton Hillis item will ever do.
Speaker 1: That was so weird that he lasted on the Giants
Speaker 1: as long as it was getting carries. I know they
Speaker 1: were beat up in their backfield, but it was always
Speaker 1: so silly because he was dreadful. Well, they figured it out,
Speaker 1: all right, that's what's happening. Oh, before we get to
Speaker 1: the top one oh one countdown. I wanted to also
Speaker 1: mentioned we talked about T D see and all four Transformers,
Speaker 1: and he's seen none of the Godfather movies. Really, one
Speaker 1: in two three is not a one that's an essential
Speaker 1: film to see. Also came out at the Combine, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if this came up on the Damage Show.
Speaker 1: I would imagine it did, but we should touch on
Speaker 1: it at least that TD was revealed to have gone
Speaker 1: to a solo like as Van peebles by himself fifty
Speaker 1: Shades of Gray screening in Indianapolis? What true? This is
Speaker 1: so false? Well? What that's one thing true about that story?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? I did not go solo.
Speaker 1: It wasn't an indie. I was not indie. But he
Speaker 1: did go. But I did go see it should be
Speaker 1: on snopes dot com. This story just saying I did go.
Speaker 1: You and many other Americans, who did you go with
Speaker 1: a couple of friends? Just a couple of dudes, not dudes,
Speaker 1: couples about town with my choice. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: A couple of friends. You went with two females, two
Speaker 1: female friends. At least at least are you dating one
Speaker 1: of them. No, wait, were you stay? Are you sitting
Speaker 1: in the middle a cinematic masterpiece? I'm sure I guess
Speaker 1: he could say little yeah, I guess he could either
Speaker 1: you were you were well? Either way, the point is
Speaker 1: not a breaking movie, clearly terrible movie decision and soundtrack
Speaker 1: is amazing. I've heard that absolutely if you want to.
Speaker 1: If you want Beyonce is singing of her old hits
Speaker 1: and slow motion and some other stuff. How did it
Speaker 1: go after the movie? Did it kind of you know,
Speaker 1: loosen to movie? He doesn't even know what seat he
Speaker 1: was in, which things are going pretty well. Let's put
Speaker 1: it this way. Christian Gray, who was a male you know,
Speaker 1: lead in the movie, and I see things very differently
Speaker 1: production Friday for you, you see things very differently t
Speaker 1: D operating on multiple levels. All right, Okay, I like
Speaker 1: the story that I heard better, which actually I was
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I knew you weren't there, so it's funny
Speaker 1: that I didn't. I just took it a face value
Speaker 1: that you're in the indian Apolis movie theater. By that's
Speaker 1: a good point, alright, So let us now get into it.
Speaker 1: The top one and one free Agents as we enter
Speaker 1: a free agency, which is a week from Tuesday, March
Speaker 1: when it all kicks off, one of the most important
Speaker 1: times in the league year. So here we are, we
Speaker 1: two scientists here in uh In West and Greg who
Speaker 1: put their heads together over the last days and weeks
Speaker 1: figuring this list out. And I will read the top ten.
Speaker 1: That's how we'll get started. I'll countdown ten from one.
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes, Randall Cobb. That's number ten. It's starting at
Speaker 1: Hughes to Cob. Yeah, just making sure it's clear. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought I made it clear, but I took editorial
Speaker 1: control since Murray and Copper tied already, I ranked Cobb
Speaker 1: over Murray. But we okay with that, Greg, scientists already bickering. Well,
Speaker 1: you want to run it by the host, by the way,
Speaker 1: before we make these ship so it's already done, Cobb
Speaker 1: and Murray or all right, here we go Jerry Hughes ten,
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray nine, Randall Cob eight. I'm gonna run something
Speaker 1: by you since your host number one and two were
Speaker 1: also flipped. No, see, now you're just making changes out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. What's going on? What is happening here? And
Speaker 1: Dominican Sue is our number one for you, and now
Speaker 1: you're spoiler learning the number one, trying to do. We're
Speaker 1: trying to do a podcast here, West, this is show business.
Speaker 1: Let's get our hat on here, Let's get it. This
Speaker 1: is organic. It's nice. All right, Here we go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the top ten. You told me you wanted
Speaker 1: to know a head of time with the changes. My
Speaker 1: thoughts go with you. Good luck on this. Here we go.
Speaker 1: This is I don't know if any of this is due.
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes ten, DeMarco Murray nine, Randall cob eight, Julius
Speaker 1: Thomas seven, Devin mccordy six, Jason Pierre Paul five, Damarrius
Speaker 1: Thomas four, Des Bryant three, and then something going on
Speaker 1: at two and one. They got the Dominican, Sioux and
Speaker 1: Justin Houston in some order. Two and one. Let's start
Speaker 1: right there by the way I wanted the scientists. Greg
Speaker 1: very clearly believes Justin Houston should be one, and and
Speaker 1: West believes Sue should be one. Not even why are
Speaker 1: you arguing about that, not even a contest. Sue is
Speaker 1: going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. You
Speaker 1: don't rank some flash in a pan like Justin Hughes. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great players that become free agents
Speaker 1: that are gonna be Hall of Famers. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're number one on a free agent list. I'm living
Speaker 1: in the here and now. Justin Houston's coming off two
Speaker 1: great seasons. He's a run stopper, is a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: He's more valuable than the Dominican Sue. I have to
Speaker 1: agree with West though. I mean, if you're going to
Speaker 1: start a defense, Sue is the most disruptive force. And
Speaker 1: all here's why I don't really care is gonna be
Speaker 1: franchise tagged and he's not even gonna end up getting
Speaker 1: to freeze. So by the time this bad boy hits television,
Speaker 1: that controversy wiped out, he'll be out of there and
Speaker 1: Sue will be. So those that are watching on NFL
Speaker 1: now and are listening right now, you get this is
Speaker 1: an example of the heat that's bubbling between the scientists
Speaker 1: and the lab that that Mark and I were overhearing
Speaker 1: for you know, days and days, but especially today, really
Speaker 1: well it's distressing. You know, we have to work in
Speaker 1: that environment and it's rough for us. Um Alright, so
Speaker 1: let's so let's go through a little bit, so Dez.
Speaker 1: We imagine Dez is never gonna hit to open market
Speaker 1: either he should he should get the tag to Marious
Speaker 1: Thomas should get the tag. But after that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the top of this list, JPP is getting
Speaker 1: a tag. I don't think so. And going going as
Speaker 1: deep as twenty is better than usual. This is a
Speaker 1: nice looking little free age and listens from everything we
Speaker 1: heard of the combine, it did seem like the Giants
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a deal done with JPP, whether it
Speaker 1: be free agency or or whether it be a deal
Speaker 1: or franchise. Our boy connor Or, he's got some giant sources,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like they are concerned about JPP, not
Speaker 1: just the physical level, but in other ways to Yeah,
Speaker 1: and why when you get this close to free agency,
Speaker 1: the players want to get there. And if there's any
Speaker 1: concern from the Giants side, I it's tough to keep.
Speaker 1: Once you get the free agency, it's it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to keep. We've got NFL Insider heat them because I
Speaker 1: and Rappaport is reporting the Giants are gonna use the
Speaker 1: franchise tag, and connor Or is reporting, well, he's not
Speaker 1: reporting he's just you know that's he has sources. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see how it plays. Interesting, all right, let's um
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy. Let's let's talk about him, because I know
Speaker 1: a lot of teams also are very needy in the secondary.
Speaker 1: They always are, but certainly this year as well. Uh,
Speaker 1: he seems like a guy it's gonna get a ton
Speaker 1: of money. Is that a smart signing? If a team
Speaker 1: goes and perhaps overpays to get a guy because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of competition, I think it will be the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I think Darrell Revs might be close to the top
Speaker 1: of this list in a few days because if I
Speaker 1: was picking one guy to leave, the Patriots would be Revous,
Speaker 1: not mccordy. I think they see him as the guy
Speaker 1: to keep it. If they have to save a little money,
Speaker 1: maybe Vus gets gone, because I don't I don't buy
Speaker 1: the whole thing that they could keep him on the
Speaker 1: team for twenty million dollars. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And you've pointed out the mccordy is Belichicks like fundamentally
Speaker 1: central type player and the other mccordy brother come on
Speaker 1: down to Tennessee or what it can't give me break,
Speaker 1: Why would you ever do that that? Devin feels like
Speaker 1: New England is home and it's a very small chance
Speaker 1: that he would ever leave there. The last Patriot to
Speaker 1: get overpaid in Tennessee was David Gibbons, which was very
Speaker 1: bad luck. So let's not do it. Where Where would
Speaker 1: Revas be on this list if he became a free agent?
Speaker 1: Top by well, I'd be right about mccordy. I would
Speaker 1: say by between five and six, or between him and
Speaker 1: Pierre number five. He's not higher than I would have thought.
Speaker 1: You guys would be thinking about putting him at number one.
Speaker 1: Thirty year old cornerback Bryan Thomas. They're awesome and then
Speaker 1: they're they're in their prime. Justin Houston and Sue, I
Speaker 1: mean went bump Orlando Franklin out at thirty four to
Speaker 1: slide right? Now, what did you see on tape? Let's
Speaker 1: say that Reevs, who played shutdown corner for a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl winner, isn't to be viewed as a top top
Speaker 1: free agent no matter what the tape says. The date
Speaker 1: of birth says what it says, and you don't throw
Speaker 1: big money at the thirty year old cornerback. Part of
Speaker 1: it's the money you have to pay them. These are
Speaker 1: great players. I mean, Julius Thomas is number seven on
Speaker 1: this list, and I know he's not coming off like
Speaker 1: the best season in the world, but some years he'd
Speaker 1: beat wand Er two on the best free We had
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace at top our list a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy in the middle of
Speaker 1: his prime. Really nothing, no big knocks against him, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna get him for his prime. So it's just
Speaker 1: a nice looking list, that's it. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: de Marco mary Park guy after that year, he's not
Speaker 1: barely in the top ten, right, but he also now
Speaker 1: walks with the limp year works against. Let's take a
Speaker 1: look at the I went through twenty. Mike eo Potti,
Speaker 1: the guard for the Niners, had a disagreement between us
Speaker 1: on that number. Twelve Greg Hardy, that's an interesting name
Speaker 1: to me. Thirteen Byron Maxwell, Torry Smith, Jason Worlds, Pernell McPhee,
Speaker 1: Jeremy macklan at seventeen. I think West has something to
Speaker 1: do with that. Surprise he's not a little higher eighteen
Speaker 1: Nick Fairley, nineteen Brian Bulaga and twenty Gerard Ddrick gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy was one of our biggest disagreements. I had
Speaker 1: him number eight. I believe overall West had him around twenty.
Speaker 1: But I did it off of Look, I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about character or off the field, and he's got some
Speaker 1: problems or whatever would be so evil. Is there any
Speaker 1: doubt that Greg's team just be like loaded with character concerns,
Speaker 1: felony convictions. All I'm saying is a couple two years ago,
Speaker 1: this was one of the best three or four defensive
Speaker 1: players in the league. So I'm facing it on talent
Speaker 1: and you're getting a little bit of a discount here.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's even going to get suspending. You're gonna miss
Speaker 1: some games, so that's not great. But you compare him,
Speaker 1: who's gonna make a bigger difference next year? Him or
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes. If if hard he's healthy and on the field,
Speaker 1: him or Mike. You approach this like it's a fantasy
Speaker 1: football free agency. I approach and I've got to explain
Speaker 1: to my fan base why I'm signing a woman beater,
Speaker 1: an alleged woman beater. That's an issue, um, obviously, But
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing in the NFL it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of finding the right place for him in the
Speaker 1: right amount of money. And I think be suspended to
Speaker 1: start the season, that that's gonna be a big factor.
Speaker 1: But I think you also look at it. You gotta
Speaker 1: look at it from a business perspective. Would you rather
Speaker 1: pay ten million for Jason World or would you rather
Speaker 1: pay let's say six million for Greg Hardy, who is
Speaker 1: much more talented. Either way, he's going to be in
Speaker 1: the league. I mean, I'm just remembering how he was
Speaker 1: as a player. You have to take aways, take away
Speaker 1: what he was still young. He's twenty six, will be
Speaker 1: twenty seven in July. The last season obviously last year
Speaker 1: was wiped out completely basically the year before that, Uh,
Speaker 1: he had what was it, Uh, he's fifteen sacks. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was the crack and he was a major part.
Speaker 1: He got onto the Around the NFL podcast he did
Speaker 1: and which is a very proud moment for all of us. Well,
Speaker 1: that interview was a disaster. But yet fine, Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's an interesting guy. But I think, yeah, a
Speaker 1: major suspension is louing over him. His value is gonna
Speaker 1: be way depressed. Uh. Tori Smith at number fourteen is
Speaker 1: interesting to me because we've talked about it that he's
Speaker 1: he's maybe in that Mike Wallace group where he's a
Speaker 1: bit one dimensional and you can imagine some team will
Speaker 1: throw too much money at him and ask him to
Speaker 1: do more. Greg and I thought it was interesting both
Speaker 1: rank Tory Smith over Jeremy Macklin. I like to Smith.
Speaker 1: I think he's a little I think he could work
Speaker 1: on any team, and maybe he is similar to a
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace. But I don't think people are going to
Speaker 1: convince themselves that he's this number one player in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to get an insane amount
Speaker 1: of money. One guy that I'm interested to see what
Speaker 1: happens where he goes number one. But when he's you know,
Speaker 1: Byron Maxwell, when suddenly you're in a second there when
Speaker 1: they're touting you as the number one guy. Because obviously
Speaker 1: the support system with Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, cam Chancellor,
Speaker 1: he was in a great position. But what if he
Speaker 1: goes to now Atlanta wouldn't be a terrible fit with
Speaker 1: des Fon Trufon, But if he goes somewhere that's like,
Speaker 1: we just need that guy to be the number one.
Speaker 1: Are you guys sold that he is? No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. He seems like that guy that
Speaker 1: you're gonna overpay a little bit based on what he's done.
Speaker 1: Is the number two and then he's forced to guard
Speaker 1: number one receivers and he's not Richard Sherman. Part of
Speaker 1: the reason he got ranked so high was he was
Speaker 1: easily he was the best cornerback. It's a thin crop
Speaker 1: and that affected our rankings. Like this group. Last year
Speaker 1: we had four or five tackles in the top ten.
Speaker 1: This year we only had three tackles in the three
Speaker 1: or four tackles in the whole top hundred. So the
Speaker 1: position he played helped him out. But if you think
Speaker 1: about the Jaguars have a ton of money out there
Speaker 1: and could really use a quarterback. With Gus Browdley, he
Speaker 1: could put him in a situation to succeed or Atlanta
Speaker 1: maybe ends up with one of those teams. And he
Speaker 1: looks pretty good alright. So that is the top twenty,
Speaker 1: so I think for the most part, hard he might
Speaker 1: be an outlier for his situation. But most of these
Speaker 1: guys are gonna get paid really well. McPhee. I think
Speaker 1: could get overpaid. We disagreed a lot on that one.
Speaker 1: I had McFee tenth and Greg hit him. I just
Speaker 1: was thinking, how many of those Ravens defenders that have
Speaker 1: career years after kind of being lying in the weeds
Speaker 1: for a while, go to another team and blow up.
Speaker 1: They usually get cut a couple of years later, like
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. About that right, exactly, suspiciously, suspiciously like Fabiano's
Speaker 1: theory on college players from a certain school. I'll give
Speaker 1: you a du get buried at the bizarre Fabiano theories
Speaker 1: got wide receivers never do anything that's going from college
Speaker 1: to the pros. At dailies, Thomas leaves Baltimore, he's not
Speaker 1: the same. Uh, Danelle Ellerby leaves Baltimore, he's not the same.
Speaker 1: Paul Krueger had a good year, but the year before
Speaker 1: he disappeared. I'm just saying, Baltimore, I think Odell Beckham's
Speaker 1: a small receiver and hit success. I don't care talking
Speaker 1: like you only need to be a big receiver. My
Speaker 1: point is you can't just take all these hard and
Speaker 1: fast rules and act like no I know. And that's
Speaker 1: why I put him in the top twenty five. It's
Speaker 1: not like I thought he was a bum. But those
Speaker 1: type of guys, usually the Ravens, know who to keep.
Speaker 1: It always worries me when a team like the Ravens,
Speaker 1: who know him the best, they're they're okay with him
Speaker 1: leaving Dan. I like the concept that he is a bum,
Speaker 1: riding around on trains, cooking his food over small fires,
Speaker 1: eating nail soup. Here's twenty one through thirty five. You
Speaker 1: might be able to get some bargains in this list.
Speaker 1: This group potentially Terence knighton pot roast, Brandon Graham, Rodney Hudson,
Speaker 1: Derek Morrigan, Brandon Flowers. You want to make flowers today?
Speaker 1: Ryan Rachpo, Kareem Jackson, Charles Clay, mark Ingram, mark Ingram
Speaker 1: down at twenty nine? How did West not push him
Speaker 1: up further? Michael A few things? Michael Crabtree thirty, Ryan, Matthew, C. J. Spiller,
Speaker 1: Jabal Sheard, Orlando Franklin, and Chris Culliver. That's a thirty
Speaker 1: through thirty five. Let's start Culliver, it seems high suddenly.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, let's start though. Let's start with your boy,
Speaker 1: mark Ingram Wes who you've vouched for, so you were
Speaker 1: you were shot down by I had him slightly higher
Speaker 1: than I'm looking at the list you had him. It's
Speaker 1: crazy that we have Charles Clay ranked over him. But
Speaker 1: that's that is top guys. By the way, if you're
Speaker 1: curious and Mark, I know, like the listeners are probably
Speaker 1: curious what it's what it sounds like when when Wes
Speaker 1: and Gregor are going at it downstairs and the two
Speaker 1: scientists are clashing. I took it upon myself this morning
Speaker 1: to get my journal instinct and and I took out
Speaker 1: my old recording, and I thought that we were gonna
Speaker 1: get the bubble sounds or whatever, that's what you were going.
Speaker 1: And they'll just just give you a little teaser. This
Speaker 1: is what it sounds like when the two scientists are clashing.
Speaker 1: This is an actual recording. We don't like the Landry brothers.
Speaker 1: I got more, but that was that's agreed on. He
Speaker 1: was good there, damn a check in the back. Give
Speaker 1: me another one. It's more. It's a longer one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird these Yeah, I'm willing to move hello up
Speaker 1: to listen to the scientists going sound weird. He overtook
Speaker 1: Peter Thomas as the best screen per I mean, that's
Speaker 1: really affects effective whatever play put player when when we
Speaker 1: re shuffled, listen to these guys going at it. Well,
Speaker 1: by the way that we were agreed, well one bit
Speaker 1: of color, totally embarrassed. It is the other part that
Speaker 1: Dan and I have a bit of a problem with.
Speaker 1: Greg and Wesley are under a shared blanket on one
Speaker 1: laptop doing this together in our newsroom, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a t tad un professionally.
Speaker 1: Did we have anything did we have one where the
Speaker 1: scientists upset? And none of those clips where were pretty agreeable,
Speaker 1: but the last one we have, so please, what's done? Sorry?
Speaker 1: He was awful last year. He was one of the
Speaker 1: worst wide receivers in the NFL. He's like productive in
Speaker 1: the playoffs even after it was a couple of years.
Speaker 1: All last year he was terrible. This is me, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to work while this is going to be scientists
Speaker 1: Cramtree doesn't total pillow talk so anyway, So that that
Speaker 1: was just something that Greg. By the way, when we
Speaker 1: do my reat here, we're not doing that in THEE
Speaker 1: we I do my review. Remember that my journal skills
Speaker 1: are just going off the charts. Investigative that's investigated journal work.
Speaker 1: Is that why you were laughing at all time? And
Speaker 1: Greg's rabbit ears were asking you every couple of Actually no,
Speaker 1: that was before they gave me the idea though, I'd
Speaker 1: like to see you use these journal skills for good
Speaker 1: that actually show up on the page, that just show
Speaker 1: up on the pot. So anyway, but since it came
Speaker 1: up in my secretly uh taped recordings, Michael Crabtree at
Speaker 1: thirty is interesting. This is a guy that, uh he
Speaker 1: was seemed to be. He started out as a injured
Speaker 1: beat up first round bust and then turned into a
Speaker 1: star during the Colin Kaepernick takeoff season blew out as
Speaker 1: Achilles hasn't quite been the same guy since. So he's
Speaker 1: another guy to me. He's got a huge red flag
Speaker 1: of a team that is desperate to upgrade their wide
Speaker 1: receiver group and says, oh, we'll bring a Crabtree and
Speaker 1: he'll solve things. But is he's still the same guy. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why we ranked him as low as thirty. That's
Speaker 1: six or seven at wide receiver, which seems like a
Speaker 1: deep position. We're talking about all these names, but it
Speaker 1: falls off a cliff suddenly. If we were talking about
Speaker 1: how Key Nicks and Kenny Brant. I still think why
Speaker 1: can't Michael Crabtree be a big time factor? That offense
Speaker 1: held down numbers for wide receivers, kind of like Seattle's
Speaker 1: offense held down numbers for wide receivers like Golden Tape.
Speaker 1: Crabtree is part of the reason why that offense held
Speaker 1: down numbers for wide receivers. I think your logic is
Speaker 1: a little similar to your logic on mix last year.
Speaker 1: Why can't he have another comeback? Well, did he know
Speaker 1: late in the year he looked He looked good late
Speaker 1: in the year, but the Colts weren't playing him ahead
Speaker 1: of Reggie Wayne. You rank Crabtree pretty high. It's not
Speaker 1: like we disagreed by but you had a thirty seven
Speaker 1: major issues with him staying ahead of C. J. Spiller. Well,
Speaker 1: you love Spiller, so I do love Spiller. Let's let's
Speaker 1: get into that. You had a really high twenty three
Speaker 1: on the list and you keep pointing towards this what
Speaker 1: is it two thousand and twelve season as the that
Speaker 1: was peak Spiller and that's how you got to pay
Speaker 1: him like he could be a top five back. But
Speaker 1: then you have four other years of evidence where c J.
Speaker 1: Spiller really wasn't. I don't want to pay c J.
Speaker 1: Spiller is a top five back. I want to go
Speaker 1: get him more than I want to go get Michael Crabtree.
Speaker 1: Because c J. Spiller average six yards to carry, eleven
Speaker 1: yards per catch, one of the best running backs in
Speaker 1: the league that year. It's and it was because he
Speaker 1: had a coach who knew how to use him. And then,
Speaker 1: by the way, he's with the Jets. And I still
Speaker 1: think Spiller plays for the Jets and they have Spiller
Speaker 1: of an indecker, I'm kind of like it, Well, doesn't that?
Speaker 1: Like One reason this is so random at this point
Speaker 1: is because you're looking at these rankings and it's about fit.
Speaker 1: If the wrong team has a lot of money and
Speaker 1: goes and adds c J. Spiller, that's not that puts
Speaker 1: some potentially way lower on this list compared to someone
Speaker 1: like a Chan Gilly, that can set them off. I
Speaker 1: think that's very well said, and that's the challenge of
Speaker 1: making a straight top one oh one list, because different
Speaker 1: teams value different guys according to their schemes and their plans.
Speaker 1: So I think there's a very good It's insane how
Speaker 1: many running backs there are this year though, I mean
Speaker 1: not just the free agent group, but it's a good
Speaker 1: deep draft class. So you have that draft class and
Speaker 1: then you have murray Ingram Matthews, Spiller, Gore Verene, for
Speaker 1: set Bush, Ridley, even Hallu. Those are some good flyers
Speaker 1: at the end. I mean those are legit piece. It's
Speaker 1: not hard to find one compared to last year when
Speaker 1: what Toby Gerhardt got more money than anyone else. That's
Speaker 1: why I think we might have overrated the running back
Speaker 1: don't bring. Now I've accepted that massive defeat my part.
Speaker 1: All right. So by the way, if you want to
Speaker 1: see this whole list, Greg, where are we sending people?
Speaker 1: You can go to uh NFL dot com slash around
Speaker 1: a league, or you can go top one oh one
Speaker 1: that vanity. Chris Culliver had a great year list year
Speaker 1: he did. He was good. Then we put him. We
Speaker 1: both put him high. I like take the dance that
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, did did I miss something? That? That
Speaker 1: was the year before? What about his Super Bowl comments
Speaker 1: about homosexuals? I didn't like that also the year before
Speaker 1: Chris Culliver guy. Anyway, our number one quarterback on the list,
Speaker 1: Number fifty six, we were all right, let's let's do this.
Speaker 1: Let's do this. Okay. So you know the Scientists did,
Speaker 1: by the way, great work. You guys didn't. I'm serious.
Speaker 1: You guys did a really good job of this list.
Speaker 1: Because you'll notice a lot of other websites will come
Speaker 1: out with their list and we'll be suspiciously sim or
Speaker 1: to the westling rose Ahal Joint. So I think it's
Speaker 1: reached a level where people are plugging in and then
Speaker 1: basing their own thoughts. Well, they're doing a copy and paste.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, but on some level it's it's
Speaker 1: an omedu. This is a living organism. I mean, Kendall
Speaker 1: Langford was cut today by the Rams and we had
Speaker 1: to there in seventy nine. It's gotta be changing, that
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying over the next week, so keep
Speaker 1: coming back. So Mark and I put our heads together. Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys are in your Scientists seller. We were upstairs
Speaker 1: in the penthouse and we wanted to because listen, you
Speaker 1: guys do a great job. You know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: smart guys, but you're gonna be wrong on some of these.
Speaker 1: Of course, every year everyone's wrong. And and Mark, why
Speaker 1: don't you I'll start with you, because we're gonna give
Speaker 1: ten guys that we think will be busts that are
Speaker 1: high up on your list. Well, I initially I looked
Speaker 1: at this and said, these guys, this is pristine, there's
Speaker 1: not anything wrong, And I thought, I want to just
Speaker 1: go look at last year's list, and number one. The
Speaker 1: only difference maker listed is Jari's bird. Alright, The only
Speaker 1: that can make a true difference is your number one
Speaker 1: overall free agents. So listen, he signed. He you know,
Speaker 1: got a team to sign him with a buck injury.
Speaker 1: They didn't know about him. We did predict basically that
Speaker 1: he would get the most money of any any players. Wait,
Speaker 1: who are in with the NFL teams? Who did you say?
Speaker 1: My boy? Jared spurred jah I ruse bired al Right,
Speaker 1: despite that sneak shot on my part, you did a
Speaker 1: nice job with the rest of last year's list. So
Speaker 1: at number two is Eugene, Well, I'm trying to spare
Speaker 1: your number three might get cut. Wait, who's the home
Speaker 1: Roho's the slam dunk on that list? I don't see
Speaker 1: a slam dunk on the list. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of singles double anyway. So yeah, Well, I you know,
Speaker 1: I think that we can get a little bit too
Speaker 1: into our own heads, and we have Jake Locker is
Speaker 1: the number one quarterback alright, because because so mad? No, Mark,
Speaker 1: why are you so mad at the free agent quarterback class.
Speaker 1: It's not like because my team needs one number one,
Speaker 1: but it's there's no position more important when you have
Speaker 1: to have a guy that if you're gonna get him,
Speaker 1: he's out of play and we haven't ranked below the
Speaker 1: Norris sort, you know, the number one quarterback up. I
Speaker 1: just don't like that one quarterback. He's gonna play three games?
Speaker 1: Who who's your number one? My number one? I would
Speaker 1: go Ryan Mallett, Ryan Mallett, didn't he get injured. I
Speaker 1: would also put Brian Hoyer above Josh Ashton, Jash McDaniels,
Speaker 1: and Bill Belch. I gave him away for free and
Speaker 1: then he couldn't win a starting job over Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: and then he played a game. Okay, all right, but
Speaker 1: I'm Jake Lockers. Give you three games, we're gonna write
Speaker 1: about his fourteenth broken collar bone in four years. That's
Speaker 1: the same thing people said about Matthew stant So you're
Speaker 1: you're saying your ability is your argument is an argument
Speaker 1: for not handing someone millions of dollars. Mouth's played one
Speaker 1: game and he got hurt. He's fifty six on our list,
Speaker 1: and I don't think going to want to hand him
Speaker 1: millions of I don't. I just think Jake Locker is
Speaker 1: a is fool's gold for someone going inside everything. One
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks as fools. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't a big difference between Locker at
Speaker 1: one and Hoyer at five. In fact, I had Hoyer
Speaker 1: I think, I think, well, I know everyone loves to
Speaker 1: hate on Hoyer and I'm not saying he's anything more
Speaker 1: than an average quarterback, but that guy, I take him
Speaker 1: over Jake Locker in a second. This is where you
Speaker 1: look at the overall rankings and you see they're all
Speaker 1: very close together. We didn't put that they were. There
Speaker 1: was much in between any of those guys. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go. Now he I think Mark just saw
Speaker 1: Locker at number one and he got pumped up. But
Speaker 1: then the positional rankings and that, God on my that
Speaker 1: got on me. All right, So here are Mark and I.
Speaker 1: We both chose four or five guys in the top
Speaker 1: twenty five or so. That we think will end up
Speaker 1: being bussed. Doesn't mean that like we knew something that
Speaker 1: Mark and West and Mark Greg didn't but clearly don't.
Speaker 1: But right, so you're saying, wait to what you're saying
Speaker 1: is you don't know the future of exactly what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: perhaps though we do. And I'm just saying that it
Speaker 1: seems all right here we go out. You want me
Speaker 1: to get going this? Yeah? Please? All right? JPP? Who
Speaker 1: we have at number five? When's the last time JPP
Speaker 1: is been JPP? Yeah? Nine sacks in the last five
Speaker 1: games of last year. All right, but like that's pretty impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay, you just got smacked out. Yeah, but all right,
Speaker 1: how about you you do you say that in garbage
Speaker 1: time and a bad Giants team, but then you you
Speaker 1: wash over Eli Manning having monster numbers and that same stretch.
Speaker 1: I don't think JPP was getting bolstered by ADEB. How
Speaker 1: about how about JPP knowing as a contract you're coming
Speaker 1: and he starts trying hard in the back half of
Speaker 1: the season. Is that what happened? Or did his back
Speaker 1: finally get well enough to play or has he always
Speaker 1: been banged up and now he's how old is he now?
Speaker 1: He's someone that I think it helps when you watch him.
Speaker 1: I'm always a little more impressed with him than his
Speaker 1: numbers show. I think he's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: is a big factor in the running game. Takes a
Speaker 1: lot of attention, and you're impressed with the plays that
Speaker 1: he makes the more you watch him. Even even if
Speaker 1: he doesn't like light up the stat sheet, I think
Speaker 1: he's very, very valuable. How many four three defensive vents
Speaker 1: are really good against the run and get double digit sacks?
Speaker 1: Very few? All right, well, he's still on my list.
Speaker 1: Mark you're like to tag me into the ring here,
Speaker 1: I'll deal with this. Andre the Giant and his brother
Speaker 1: scenario to Marco Murray. I listened to Marco Murray was
Speaker 1: fantastic last season, and I feel that Dallas if they
Speaker 1: don't bring him back, and they probably won't, it's because
Speaker 1: they said, we're gonna run this guy into the ground
Speaker 1: and we'll never need him again. And someone I just
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get overpaid to become someone's number one
Speaker 1: back and the history of DeMarco Murray concerns me. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm that guy that keeps bringing up their ability and
Speaker 1: outside of last season, the guy was a major injury issue.
Speaker 1: I can't disagree with the thing you said. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was someone I struggled with putting that high. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we did put him a little high. You just you
Speaker 1: almost felt bad like after he last year. If you're
Speaker 1: just basing on last year's he's the top five of
Speaker 1: this list. But you're right, you start looking at players
Speaker 1: like Byron Maxwell, as he really worse than Byron Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Or you know, my Murray was a tackle Brady tackle
Speaker 1: breaking monster for three months and he wasn't the same
Speaker 1: guy for the last two months December and January, So
Speaker 1: that would be my concern. I think your points fair though,
Speaker 1: that we could have him a little high and and
Speaker 1: some team could end up over paid for a right Dan.
Speaker 1: I just got Gregg and at Hemlock. Hold there, I'm
Speaker 1: tagging you in. Thank you, all right? How about Julius Thomas,
Speaker 1: who uh who? I think people somehow have started to
Speaker 1: get to the point where they overlook how great Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning is and what he can do for teams and players.
Speaker 1: And I think Julius Thomas, if you put it, if
Speaker 1: you don't put him in the right situation with the
Speaker 1: right quarterback. All of a sudden, he's a guy that
Speaker 1: has fifty catches and four touchdowns and you paid him
Speaker 1: to be Jimmy Graham, I'm a little nervous if I'm
Speaker 1: open up my pocketbook for that guy, and I own
Speaker 1: a pocketbooks. I am not afraid women's clothing. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't even use the word pocketbook. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: open New York. I think if he looked back at
Speaker 1: the Broncos record breaking season, the reason why they went
Speaker 1: from a very good offense to historically great offense was
Speaker 1: because Julius Thomas became a mismatch and entered the starting lineup.
Speaker 1: Nobody had an answer for him. Part of the reason
Speaker 1: I was me to rank them that high is guys
Speaker 1: like this just at tight end, I can't I can't
Speaker 1: remember them becoming available too often. I mean, Tony Gazoz
Speaker 1: became available way at the back end of his career.
Speaker 1: Jared Cook got a thirty five million dollar contract, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So and he's in the middle of
Speaker 1: his If he goes to the right spot, you're right,
Speaker 1: that's huge. But if it's Atlanta who signed me up
Speaker 1: for that, they're trying to wear us down in let's
Speaker 1: get now. We already went down the Byron Maxwell road,
Speaker 1: so I'd like that to be added to our record.
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little. I want to go back
Speaker 1: to Tori Smith because this, to me also reeks of
Speaker 1: someone that's gonna get overpaid who I just don't see
Speaker 1: Tori Smith is as a game changing wide receiver. If
Speaker 1: he's brought in as a number one on a team
Speaker 1: that has any issues at quarterback at all, well, you're
Speaker 1: putting all these qualifiers. We have to make the list
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. And he's a good player. You're right,
Speaker 1: every player that's not the game we're playing. We're just
Speaker 1: coming in. We're cheap shott left and right. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're right. Every player depends on the situation. But every
Speaker 1: year he's been in the league, he's until last year
Speaker 1: he had a hundred yards. He's been good to you.
Speaker 1: He's been hid eight hundred yards. Though he led the
Speaker 1: NFL and pass interference yards by a ton. He went
Speaker 1: a hand way over a thousand, and you pay for
Speaker 1: big place. He's averaged seventeen yards per catch for his career,
Speaker 1: so you at least know what you're getting I hopefully
Speaker 1: you're right. If they pay him like ten eleven million
Speaker 1: dollars a year, it's it's bad money. How about it?
Speaker 1: Number twenties six, Brian A. Rackpo. If I am not
Speaker 1: given coming off three torn pictorial muscles, you could take
Speaker 1: your gamble with Brian Rackpost staying healthy and uh regaining
Speaker 1: his great play of his early Washington career. I am
Speaker 1: not going near that guy for a lot of money. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why last year he was in our top eight
Speaker 1: or nine, and now he's down to work out so well.
Speaker 1: B J. Rodgie was similar where he was in our
Speaker 1: top twenty last year, got hurt all year. He's back
Speaker 1: again and he's a risk. But that's why teams don't
Speaker 1: win by spending lots of money in free agency after
Speaker 1: you get past the top five, I would say on
Speaker 1: this list, I mean even twenty, I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of them are just very risky types of picks. Mark
Speaker 1: Mohammed Massaqua, I don't know where you guys have been
Speaker 1: the league in a year and a half. No, no,
Speaker 1: but let's stay at twenty eight. Charles Clay I just
Speaker 1: think he's chronically overrated here because if I am gonna
Speaker 1: look at this list one to one. You're saying that
Speaker 1: a wide pool of general managers want Charles Clay, who
Speaker 1: has some talents. I like the guy, but over mark Ingram,
Speaker 1: Ryan Matthews, C J. Spiller. I'd have a huge issue
Speaker 1: with that. Thank you. You know, we might we might
Speaker 1: be willing to move on him. Dan Williams, Well, what's
Speaker 1: the argument. I don't know who overvalued him here? How
Speaker 1: did you? How did Charles Clay get here? By the way, West,
Speaker 1: you actually ranked of the exact same as me, Charles Clay.
Speaker 1: That's because I asked you about the ranking and you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll move mine down. Yeah. Well either way though,
Speaker 1: that that's where he's at. He's at thirty. Uh. He's
Speaker 1: a versatile player. There aren't many players like him that
Speaker 1: could be a tight end, be a running back a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, move him a round. You're gonna
Speaker 1: need a creative offense. But I mean he's a factor.
Speaker 1: I don't know you've got you're doing. Crabtree, Matthews, and Spiller.
Speaker 1: If they're on their games, all four those can anchor
Speaker 1: your offense to be really because not Crabtree, but let's
Speaker 1: have those three players they've all had injury problems, they
Speaker 1: all need to split carries, they all have never shown
Speaker 1: they can carry the load to be They're very valuable pieces,
Speaker 1: but they're not like starter type guys. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of what Clay is. He's a specialist. I think all
Speaker 1: three of them are starters. I think they will be
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen. I don't know. I think they're
Speaker 1: rotation guys. I got one more here, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring up Kenny Britt and he's got these
Speaker 1: guys in trouble, buried at sixty one on the list.
Speaker 1: So I feel like you guys understand that that's, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a potential risk for any team. But how
Speaker 1: about Nick Fairley, who you have an eighteen he's got
Speaker 1: he's got injury issues, off the field issues, he has
Speaker 1: trouble keeping his weight down. I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: the team that gives him his second contract and then
Speaker 1: he eats himself out of the league. Somebody else can
Speaker 1: do that. No, thank you, and Nick Fairley, that's fair
Speaker 1: He's one of those risk reward guns. He is. I'll
Speaker 1: sign him up, just bring him over, Gonna get him
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy, Uh maybe Brian picked. Brian rack was picked
Speaker 1: o J on the staff coach Michael Crabtree just for
Speaker 1: a little good locker room. Brandon Spikes to talk to
Speaker 1: the media. We're gonna have a good old time. It's good.
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams could be You're like columns, they're gonna be liked.
Speaker 1: Cameron's concussions. We're gonna be like the nineteen seventies Raiders.
Speaker 1: Stan dropped some NBC News heat John Matusak Uh Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, good luck with Nick Fairley. That's fine, alright,
Speaker 1: any other that's it. That's all I had. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think you guys do a great job, but you
Speaker 1: guys did an excellent job poking holes. You need to
Speaker 1: t d who won that match? If that was a
Speaker 1: wrestling match. Well, I wasn't listeningly, that's his Panic movies.
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't listening. But I got this Lomvardi drop
Speaker 1: that can bay only appen. Yeah, this case, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's see we are back next this week,
Speaker 1: three shows and free agencies coming. Like I said, it
Speaker 1: is March ten, so next week we will have our
Speaker 1: our big go get my lunch high octane contraptions. Yes,
Speaker 1: go get my lunch. Sorry, uh you know, go get it.
Speaker 1: Go get my lunch. Propositions will bring him back. So
Speaker 1: in the meantime, with our group internally, let's get those sandwiches.
Speaker 1: Let's get back everybody, even and Mark, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: You sa I bought you two each one and I
Speaker 1: have to buy another round. I'll buy you one too, alright.
Speaker 1: So we'll be back with three shows next week, so
Speaker 1: make sure you tune in. This is Dan hands As
Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Boss and
Speaker 1: to day behind the Glass until next week. W