Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, Lost the locker Room and
Speaker 1: can't find you. Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Jnsas and
Speaker 1: I am joined my room, built up some heroes. To
Speaker 1: my left, Chris Westling, tell my al right, Greg Rozatal,
Speaker 1: what's op? Boys? All right? I'm so happy to be
Speaker 1: back here. It's safe in here. After a long journey
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis, Greg put me on several connecting flights to
Speaker 1: get back to Los Angeles, and I just feel safe
Speaker 1: in the studio and I feel better. You know, it's
Speaker 1: fun doing the show on the road, but it's good
Speaker 1: to be back with you. Guys. What I'm booking your
Speaker 1: travel now book. I know your big time and you're
Speaker 1: becoming a prima donna. But wait a second, not going.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I wish Mark Sessler is with family.
Speaker 1: I got a text we might get him on the
Speaker 1: line a little later, but he hiking in the woods.
Speaker 1: Cryptic text, and uh, what else would he doing in
Speaker 1: off day? I think the way Greg, you built the
Speaker 1: schedules because Mark went west um as I alluded to
Speaker 1: last week, Mark embraced being the number one in charge
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. And this is where you can tell Greg
Speaker 1: as a as a manager has really has found his footing.
Speaker 1: He wisely he gave Mark three straight days off after Combine.
Speaker 1: So maybe like that, it's like putting a goldfish into
Speaker 1: the tank, but you keep it in the plastic bag
Speaker 1: first before you let it out, just so. It would
Speaker 1: be too much of a culture shock to drop Mark
Speaker 1: back into a number two roll. I didn't know that's
Speaker 1: where you're going with it. My number one combat family
Speaker 1: in town. Give me a break, just above the new
Speaker 1: guy who jumped forty three inch or inches and and
Speaker 1: broke a new world record in the broad jump. Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler's power play was my number one takeaway from the combine. Wow, Greg,
Speaker 1: do you have any concerns that Mark enjoyed being the
Speaker 1: boss too much? I need to hear more about this
Speaker 1: because the only time we've really talked about it was
Speaker 1: on the phone with you, and it was it was surprising,
Speaker 1: but I think I kind of liked it Mark really
Speaker 1: stepping up. I would have liked to see how it
Speaker 1: played out in action. I'm really more concerned that West
Speaker 1: doesn't even know Byron Jones name. The guy who I
Speaker 1: know his name I was doing there for effect. We're
Speaker 1: boning up on our prospect knowledge and that's why we're
Speaker 1: gonna have Bucky Brooks in here regularly as we get
Speaker 1: closer and closer to the end of April and the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft in Chicago. Well, how did you feel about
Speaker 1: the Mark takeover? By the way, as someone who Okay,
Speaker 1: you got there and you thought, okay, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be great. Just the animals and the inmates are running
Speaker 1: the asylum. But then incomes Mark with his iron fit,
Speaker 1: his iron fist. Uh, you know, to be to be
Speaker 1: quite honest, initially it was a surprise. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're talking to me in this tone. But then I
Speaker 1: fell in line quickly. It just shows that I'm not
Speaker 1: meant to be a manager figure. I'm more I want
Speaker 1: to be the guy that you know needs to be
Speaker 1: reined in, not the one trying to rein in others. Heavy.
Speaker 1: Where is the crown? Heavy? Where is the crown? Exactly?
Speaker 1: So uh, with that, we got a very nice show.
Speaker 1: I love today's show. We got a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: to get to. We're gonna talk about the combine a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know. We last time we were we
Speaker 1: were on we talked about the press conferences, mostly the
Speaker 1: coaches and the gms, but after that they had, you know,
Speaker 1: three days of combined action between all the prospects that
Speaker 1: were invited to Indianapolis. So we'll maybe share some takeaways.
Speaker 1: Will be QB heavy because I feel like as a
Speaker 1: group here that's kind of where our minds focused the most,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're gonna get Bucky and next week
Speaker 1: to really digging deeper and deeper and we'll all be
Speaker 1: experts by the time the draft comes. Also, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go through West You're working and it might be up
Speaker 1: by the time this podcast is up. Is that Okay,
Speaker 1: it's coming. It'll be up by the end of Tuesday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the scientists. The mailman, Chris Westling is about to drop
Speaker 1: something that might change digital media. Uh. Cut candidates so uh,
Speaker 1: you know, prominent names or veterans that could be released
Speaker 1: ahead of the start of free agency, which of course
Speaker 1: will lead to a lot of debate about where those
Speaker 1: guys end up in landing. So we'll go through list
Speaker 1: of West's list of both A SEE AN NFC players,
Speaker 1: But before any of that, we gotta check in behind
Speaker 1: the glass. He just celebrated a birthday that inched him
Speaker 1: closer to thirty. Uh and once you have eight, no
Speaker 1: longer can you be called young Kobe. You're now youngish Kobe.
Speaker 1: T D How you doing, buddy? Well, that actually was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the news shop and that got replaced
Speaker 1: by something much better. You find a rum And that
Speaker 1: also was Greg and Chris, who's their birthday was last
Speaker 1: week as well. That's right, we got the same birthdays,
Speaker 1: but yours. There's a certain sense of mortality, especially physically
Speaker 1: for you because you've always prided yourself on your youth
Speaker 1: and father time wins all battles. You're getting older, but
Speaker 1: they do say twenty eight is your physical peak. So actually,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm want to try it out. They say,
Speaker 1: I know in age seven is the magical year for
Speaker 1: a baseball player. They say that you'll never be better
Speaker 1: maybe in street hoops it's where you want to be.
Speaker 1: What about what about producing podcasts? Still waiting for the
Speaker 1: pride of that? When is that? Figures cross? Uh? So
Speaker 1: you a happy birthday to everyone, And my birthday is
Speaker 1: coming up in April, so I'm expecting something huge from
Speaker 1: my colleagues at that time. Uh TV, let's listen this.
Speaker 1: I'm right here. We're starting that I'm still here half
Speaker 1: of it, and that's probably new so a lot of
Speaker 1: people's ears. But Marshawn Lynch has a movie, Good job
Speaker 1: by you. It's called Family First and Marshawn Lynch Story,
Speaker 1: and that was Marshawn Lynch in this movie. Act now
Speaker 1: to seeing. Let's play that one with I'm right here.
Speaker 1: We're starting that I'm still here half. I watched that.
Speaker 1: It was a four minute clip. It has the chance
Speaker 1: to be the worst movie ever released, and it won't
Speaker 1: be released in theaters. It's one of those movies where
Speaker 1: you immediately once you see the lighting on it and uh,
Speaker 1: the actors involved that you know it's something that maybe
Speaker 1: best case scenarios on net links, but most likely it
Speaker 1: will be in Marshawn Lynch's living room and that's it.
Speaker 1: But maybe we somehow can get our hands on it.
Speaker 1: I want to watch it. Greg, got permission. It's gonna
Speaker 1: go to Netflix. You got a writer review. I was
Speaker 1: gonna have permission to write a review because that play
Speaker 1: one more time with the music in the background. I
Speaker 1: got two more clips. Let's play. Ok, let's play this
Speaker 1: again one more time? Right here. That my old that's
Speaker 1: going four straight minutes. That's the background music and the
Speaker 1: production scene back here. Able to deduce that that is
Speaker 1: from Hustle and Flow. That's like the start of the
Speaker 1: song and Hustle and Flow. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: have the rights to that that is, but I don't
Speaker 1: have the right to anything. Here's another clip with him
Speaker 1: talking to a kid. You gotta tell me something because
Speaker 1: you were reporting, are you sure yet? From Marshall is
Speaker 1: the actor who would have thought, I can't wait, I
Speaker 1: can't wait all right? Lynch wasn't playing the role of
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch, and he isn't until college. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden this obvious, like twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: dude is supposed to be playing an eighteen year old
Speaker 1: owl running back. Uh, everybody's gonna watch it. Find it.
Speaker 1: All right, let's start the news, and we'll start with
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford, who if you go back last week, less
Speaker 1: need and Jeff Fisher kind of shot down the idea
Speaker 1: that he would be anywhere else but St. Louis. But
Speaker 1: there have been reports recently of interest from the Bills
Speaker 1: and the Browns, but this it seems unlikely NFL media
Speaker 1: Inside Ian Rap report reported as of Tuesday, no team
Speaker 1: has contacted the Rams about trading for the quarterback. Via
Speaker 1: sources informed of the situation, UH West will start with you.
Speaker 1: Um doesn't make sense. First of all, if a team
Speaker 1: call came calling to the Rams of the Rams to
Speaker 1: play ball potentially. Of course, this all is stemming from
Speaker 1: Bradford's camp. The Rams want him to accept a pay
Speaker 1: cut because he's going to have to compete for a
Speaker 1: starting job coming off second straight torn a c L
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to accept a pay cut, so
Speaker 1: he's his agent has been given permission to go out
Speaker 1: and talk to other teams, and it sounds like they
Speaker 1: are also drumming up reports that say these other teams
Speaker 1: are interested, but none of them have actually called the Rams.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much how I don't know.
Speaker 1: You would have to be awfully desperate to give up
Speaker 1: a second round draft pick and pay Sam Bradford million dollars, right,
Speaker 1: that's the problem. I think you could probably find a
Speaker 1: team like the Bills that were desperate enough to pay
Speaker 1: him that money or close to it if he was
Speaker 1: a free agent. But to do that and to pick
Speaker 1: the Bills don't even have their first round pick because
Speaker 1: of Sammy Watkins is outrageous. But if you're Bradford, and
Speaker 1: I think this is all where it's coming from, It's like,
Speaker 1: that's why you pay your agent, Tom Condon to be
Speaker 1: your agent. I mean, that's like the number one quarterback
Speaker 1: agent in the league. He wants He says, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna try to make all this money, so let us
Speaker 1: go shop us around and let's see what we can get.
Speaker 1: And it probably won't happen, and most likely he'll just
Speaker 1: take the pay cut stay with the Rams. But the
Speaker 1: fact that they're even open to it does make me think,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they play hardball. They get word from
Speaker 1: a team like the Bills that will pay you x
Speaker 1: amount if you become a free age and the Rams
Speaker 1: end up having to face a tough choice. Do we
Speaker 1: cut him or do we just pay him the money
Speaker 1: because he's not going to accept the pay cut with us. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely a It's it's a not so
Speaker 1: subtle change in the in the Rams public stands towards
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford that they allow him to shop himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the stands from three days ago. By the way, well,
Speaker 1: the stands that they've had the last few years since
Speaker 1: they turned down the r G three trade, that he's
Speaker 1: their franchise quarterback. And now the most interesting part of
Speaker 1: Ian's report is he's got to compete for a starting job.
Speaker 1: We will not delete, we will not delete. Who are they?
Speaker 1: Who are they say that? But who is he going
Speaker 1: to be competing with? Davy and Davis? Maybe Sean Hill,
Speaker 1: maybe a second round pick. I mean, I'm stuned that
Speaker 1: Sam Bradford's value has turned round enough that he has
Speaker 1: any leverage at all. But that just shows how bad
Speaker 1: the free agent quarterback market is, how desperate teams are,
Speaker 1: and how then the rookie class of quarterbacks. It seems
Speaker 1: to me, it felt to me being there that both
Speaker 1: Sudance need were sincere about wanting to keep a fisher,
Speaker 1: uh keep Radford there for another year. And it is
Speaker 1: interesting to me, like the two guys that you know,
Speaker 1: Bradford and r G three will be tied together because
Speaker 1: the Rams choosing to keep Radford in there. Both these
Speaker 1: teams now, the Redskins and Rams are holding onto these
Speaker 1: guys hoping that something gets turned around, and uh now
Speaker 1: pretty deep into their careers. Moving on, the Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: saga continues to UH get murky or murkyer and juicier.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a soap opera going on. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's suspended until April fifteen because of his child abuse incident. UH.
Speaker 1: There have been reports out there that uh, Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: was not comfortable going back to the Vikings, who he
Speaker 1: believed left him high and dry during the process that
Speaker 1: led him ending up on the exempt list. However, Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson's father came out and told the Pioneer Press that
Speaker 1: let's not get too crazy about there being no chance
Speaker 1: about the Vikings and Peterson ending up together next year.
Speaker 1: Here's the quote. He is open to returning to the Vikings.
Speaker 1: He hasn't closed the door on saying I won't play
Speaker 1: for the Vikings. He hasn't a man did a trade,
Speaker 1: Greg Your thoughts, My thoughts are it's all about money,
Speaker 1: which you weren't a liar. It's always all about money.
Speaker 1: I like how you know there's these reports of you know,
Speaker 1: disagreements and Adrian Peterson doesn't feel respected, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's true, and his agent and you know, everyone's not
Speaker 1: getting along. But if they pay Adrian Peterson the money
Speaker 1: that he's due, and they guarantee him some of his
Speaker 1: money next year, as he and rap reports said, then
Speaker 1: they'll be happy. It's just about money. He feels like
Speaker 1: he lost money about because of how they treated him
Speaker 1: last year, and he wants to get it back. I
Speaker 1: don't think he ever plays for the Vikings again. I
Speaker 1: think he's legitimately hacked off about what was he hacked off?
Speaker 1: Hacked off cheesed off cheese is just since he talk
Speaker 1: it's it's a way to avoid um piste off, can
Speaker 1: stay piste off. It's it's a little crude. I don't
Speaker 1: particularly care for that. Free Okay, we just brought it up,
Speaker 1: all right, go on, sorry so and help move past.
Speaker 1: Are you hacked off that we are that I interrupted?
Speaker 1: Not at all? Okay, good? I think it was a
Speaker 1: it was a nice question to get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of where I was going. Adre Peterson. The whole world
Speaker 1: is coming down upon him last year. He feels attacked
Speaker 1: for for a way that he was brought up away.
Speaker 1: He was raised that he thinks was right, even though
Speaker 1: he was clearly wrong and the Vikings conspired against him.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna let that go. Connor did bring up
Speaker 1: after Thursday's podcast that yes, while that is that is
Speaker 1: one way to look at it, and I guess you
Speaker 1: could see it from Peterson's perspective. The Vikings did try
Speaker 1: to bring him back in September, uh and then got
Speaker 1: killed publicly, and then that led to him getting pulled
Speaker 1: back onto put back on suspension or an example is
Speaker 1: so sponsors and to the local sentiment in Minnesota, money
Speaker 1: makes the world go round, Miss Mizell, they didn't have
Speaker 1: a backbone, it wouldn't mattered. I don't think if they
Speaker 1: had a backbone, like, what choice did they really have?
Speaker 1: The league was gonna step in, he wasn't gonna be played.
Speaker 1: He got unlucky because of the timing and everything else
Speaker 1: that was swirling around in the NFL at the time.
Speaker 1: But sponsors are dropping out. I'm just amazed now, Like,
Speaker 1: what about those sponsors Now? Now they're cool, They're like
Speaker 1: everyone remembered, Oh yeah, this guy's the greatest running back
Speaker 1: of all time. I guess I guess we're totally cool
Speaker 1: paying them ten million, twelve million dollars now because the
Speaker 1: Vikings spent all of last week just puffing them up,
Speaker 1: which was weird. I feel like they backed themselves into
Speaker 1: a weird quarter. Not now they look like clowns if
Speaker 1: they can't keep them and at this point they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do a lot to keep them alright. Moving on,
Speaker 1: We'll go circle back to the Browns now, because Uh,
Speaker 1: today was the big announcement, at least, happy that they're
Speaker 1: really dragging this out. We thought that was gonna be
Speaker 1: or I thought it was gonna be the uniform announcement,
Speaker 1: the new uniform for the Browns, and it turns out
Speaker 1: it's just the helmet and a secondary logo for the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. And the big changes, gentlemen. The gray face
Speaker 1: mask is now brown, uh. And the orange helmet is
Speaker 1: now orange here and that's about it. Uh. There's also
Speaker 1: a dog, a dog that they used to have that
Speaker 1: that was never really used as logo anyway, is now
Speaker 1: more cartoonish. Uh. And those are the big changes. And
Speaker 1: you know what I feel like, even though he's not here,
Speaker 1: we gotta cut to the wilderness of Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: get the Great Quiet storm Mark Cessler on the line
Speaker 1: to talk about the new Brown's logo. Mark, I mean,
Speaker 1: what is there to talk about? Are you in the woods?
Speaker 1: Right now. Where are you? I'm parked along? Okay, Hey Mark, Mark,
Speaker 1: it was all done, and I texted with Mark, but hey,
Speaker 1: would you like to come on for a few minutes
Speaker 1: and talk about this? Mark, as I predicted in my head,
Speaker 1: was going to come back with a text like I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody's killing the Browns. And Mark was worried that
Speaker 1: he was going into some type of ambush attack but
Speaker 1: really and nobody, nobody cares that much. But we thought
Speaker 1: it would be important to get your insight and are
Speaker 1: you happy with the subtle changes so far to the
Speaker 1: Browns logo? I mean, I mean honestly, Like I don't
Speaker 1: have a like a gigantic hot take like when I
Speaker 1: got on Twitter this morning, which was a mistake. Oh
Speaker 1: every know all sorts of funny men coming out of
Speaker 1: the woodwork with the Browns joke. I didn't see a
Speaker 1: lot of people sports writers trying out their jokes all morning.
Speaker 1: It was it was all over the place. I don't
Speaker 1: I think they bottom line, they handled this in an
Speaker 1: ill way because the way that they made it sound
Speaker 1: like was get ready because a bomb is about to
Speaker 1: get dropped on everything you thought the Browns were about.
Speaker 1: And then it's a picture of a helmet with you
Speaker 1: know that only like absolute niche fans would notice the
Speaker 1: major differences here. So I think that, um, the uniform
Speaker 1: better be a pretty striking change for this not to
Speaker 1: be a completely underwhelming one to punch from the brown. Well,
Speaker 1: I take offense to the whole thing because what they
Speaker 1: haven't considered is the many Americans like me who are
Speaker 1: afflicted with color blindness. And I can't even tell any different.
Speaker 1: You're coming out on this. So courageous of you that
Speaker 1: you've gone beyond this major handicap. I know there's is
Speaker 1: gonna be on the cover of Time magazine. Yep, I'm
Speaker 1: color blind. I know a lot of people struggle with this,
Speaker 1: and I thought bringing it into the public sphere, you're
Speaker 1: never gonna make pilot. It's gonna make it more normal
Speaker 1: so that everyone can just accept it's part of people's lives.
Speaker 1: I can't even tell the difference between the two shades
Speaker 1: of orange. They look exactly the same to me. What
Speaker 1: about the color fine people? Mark? Oh great, you've been
Speaker 1: a real advocate for that issue. Um. You know, in
Speaker 1: the opposite least I've heard you mentioned that at least
Speaker 1: once or quite so that's a big part of this.
Speaker 1: Well I listened. I mean, how about this, Until it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the logo is, what their color of
Speaker 1: their helmet is, until you're occasionally dropping a winning season
Speaker 1: on this fan base, I I think you cannot generate
Speaker 1: much excitement in late February around these changes. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: this will give you some excitement, Marcus. This comes from
Speaker 1: Brown's president Alex Schneyer. As always, we spent significant time
Speaker 1: engaging with our fans during this process and took a
Speaker 1: very methodical approach the past two years o years to
Speaker 1: determine certain core characteristic symbolic of our great city. There
Speaker 1: really there with my this is my Odell Beckham theory
Speaker 1: Part two. What if I said, listen, guys, I need
Speaker 1: to take like a two year of sabbatical for the
Speaker 1: NFL site, and when I come back, it's going to
Speaker 1: be massive. And it were like a eight hundred word
Speaker 1: post about you know, backup quarterbacks. Well, h this is
Speaker 1: the same organization that spent a hundred thousand dollars last
Speaker 1: year for that quarterback study only to end up with
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel. I wonder how much they spent on consultant
Speaker 1: for making their helmet a little bit more orange. It's alright, Mark,
Speaker 1: But before this devolves into just pot shots at Cleveland.
Speaker 1: You know, Mark, we we should let you go. You
Speaker 1: have anything else, well, well before you go, we do.
Speaker 1: We have learned Josh mccount is visiting the Browns today,
Speaker 1: So any thoughts on Josh mccounty. We already knew the
Speaker 1: next quarter now we we knew they might have had interest.
Speaker 1: But now he's in the building. Carry them all, don't
Speaker 1: let him out. Interview everyone that's throwing a football out.
Speaker 1: I just looked into the future. Mark very optimistic as
Speaker 1: a Browns fan. Josh McCown for the second straight year,
Speaker 1: number twenty five making the list list like this operation.
Speaker 1: Now he made the power play. We're not doing making you.
Speaker 1: Let's save that talk until Mark gets back. Though we
Speaker 1: really got to go forward. I shrunk it the six players,
Speaker 1: all right, buddy, good luck in the woods, and remember,
Speaker 1: like when it starts to get a little dark, don't
Speaker 1: be here. I'll get back to that car. Listen, I'll
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. Okay, that's Mark Sessler. I think they
Speaker 1: should just emblazon the physical manifestation of an of a
Speaker 1: laughing stock on the side of the Brown's helmet instead
Speaker 1: of changing the color. What would that look like? That's
Speaker 1: for the around the NFL. Guy that fan that that
Speaker 1: tweets out quotes there, there's one for your golden one
Speaker 1: on the Browns future. Let's move on to the New
Speaker 1: York Giants, who will no longer have defensive end Matthias
Speaker 1: Kiwanuka UH in their defense. That was nice. The team
Speaker 1: announced that the defense event has been released. UH. He
Speaker 1: spent nine years with Big Blue, two Super Bowl wins,
Speaker 1: Greg Over who both over the Patriots. Kei and Nuka
Speaker 1: had been in decline and the team UH saves four
Speaker 1: point eight to five million on the cap by cutting ties.
Speaker 1: Chris westling the scientists, what will you remember about Matthias
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play another down here? Two thousand nine?
Speaker 1: Why do we care if was released? If he played
Speaker 1: for the Falcons, this wouldn't even make the news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was starting eleven games last year. He's won a
Speaker 1: couple of Super Bowl titles. Give him, give him his dude.
Speaker 1: I totally asked the wrong person because west West hates
Speaker 1: the Giants. Greg with the Sean Phillips released by the Colts.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago that Greg was thought would
Speaker 1: make I would not have put that. I would not
Speaker 1: have put that in the Phillips wasn't a starter on
Speaker 1: two super Bowl winners. He was a starter for the
Speaker 1: Broncos and in a Super Bowl. But hey, I'm just
Speaker 1: serving the people out there, the readers, and they've responded too.
Speaker 1: Sean people like releases. Well you know Kiwa Nuka. He
Speaker 1: was always kind of the underrated guy on on those
Speaker 1: two titles. Very deep voice. I remember from interviewing, nice guy,
Speaker 1: BC Grad where do you want? All right? So it
Speaker 1: hasn't been an asset to the Giants in like what
Speaker 1: four years. I feel like they've in general, they they've
Speaker 1: kept those guys that that won super Bowls for them.
Speaker 1: But it's it's amazing how fast roster turn over. They
Speaker 1: have almost no one left from their two thousand eleven
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl. It's over. It's over with that discussion
Speaker 1: as well, Matthias, we move on. Julius. Thomas West wrote
Speaker 1: definitely in his post, might have to trade in his
Speaker 1: orange Julius nickname for one that reflects teal or Red.
Speaker 1: Reportedly seeking a near record and guarantees for tight ends,
Speaker 1: Thomas has rejected a five year, forty million dollar offer.
Speaker 1: Uh so the Jaguars and Falcons. There are two potential options,
Speaker 1: aren't they. West, who wrote the lead markist? Come on,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? I don't even know totally, but
Speaker 1: you know he likes a little turns of phrase. Well
Speaker 1: he is the pun master, Well Mar the pun master.
Speaker 1: All right, West, pull together and give us a little
Speaker 1: bit of info on Julius Thomas. Well, you know, the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and Falcons part appears to be speculation. The Jaguars
Speaker 1: have been connected by several newspapers and and combine buzz
Speaker 1: and the Falcons similarly. But I think the main takeaway
Speaker 1: here is it looks like he's not going to be
Speaker 1: back in Denver, that he wants guaranteed money that will
Speaker 1: put him right up near Jimmy Graham and the Broncos
Speaker 1: aren't sure he's a good fit for Gary Kubiak scheme,
Speaker 1: which he would have to do a lot more blocking
Speaker 1: for the zone running attack. Well, it's not just speculation,
Speaker 1: you know. Let's let's pull a you know, peek behind
Speaker 1: the curtain here. What that is is Julius Thomas's agents
Speaker 1: being buddies or talking to those reporters, one in Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: one Atlanta, saying, Hey, I was at the combine and
Speaker 1: I talked uh to Julius Thomas. I mean I talked
Speaker 1: to these two teams and they had some interest, and
Speaker 1: they had this level of interest or that, and then
Speaker 1: the writer puts it in there and they kind of
Speaker 1: couch it as speculation because it's all unofficial or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's how the sausage is made. Look at
Speaker 1: Greg Growthenthal. I mean, I don't know this first act
Speaker 1: in this case, but that's years of football reporting experience.
Speaker 1: He's a real journal journal. That's basically what it comes
Speaker 1: down to, and that The problem now is these little
Speaker 1: combined stories aren't as juicy as they used to be
Speaker 1: because free agency is now too far away. It used
Speaker 1: to be right after the combine and so teams would
Speaker 1: really be talking deals. They'd say, hey, will you promise
Speaker 1: I'll give you thirty two million over eight years and
Speaker 1: then kind of shop it around. Now they can't, there's
Speaker 1: too long of a gap. But I'm sure they're receiving
Speaker 1: interest from the Jaguars and Falcons. Why wouldn't he receive interests?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's two time pro Bowl or just broke
Speaker 1: a record for uh twelve, first tight end in history
Speaker 1: with twelve touchdowns and back to back year. He's a
Speaker 1: good player. He of course he's going to get interest
Speaker 1: and speaking of free agency, there will be a familiar
Speaker 1: name added to the running back list. D'Angelo Williams will
Speaker 1: be released by the Panthers or has been released. He's
Speaker 1: the all time leading rusher in Panthers history, but he
Speaker 1: was essentially uh made redundant by Jonathan Stewart, proving definitively
Speaker 1: that he could handle that role in a more three
Speaker 1: down basis, so for eight weeks. Okay, So D'Angelo Williams
Speaker 1: will not be back with the Panthers. Thirty one years old,
Speaker 1: has had some nice moments in his career, but uh West,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since 'angel Williams was a difference
Speaker 1: maker in this league, right, what was it two thousand seven?
Speaker 1: Since he had that fifteen yards big year ninety was
Speaker 1: solid as well. He was actually pretty good just last
Speaker 1: year two thousand he had over a thousand total yards
Speaker 1: from scrimmage. It was pretty effective, I mean, but has
Speaker 1: never has never been close to what his contracts said
Speaker 1: he should have been Marty Herdy, who gave him that
Speaker 1: was one of the craziest contracts ever, twenty one million
Speaker 1: guaranteed coming out of the lockout, and then the next
Speaker 1: year he doubled down and gave the same amount of money.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart, it never made sense to like mid level.
Speaker 1: Is Marty Herny still a general lander in the NFL? No,
Speaker 1: but he but he might still be paying Jake to
Speaker 1: loan right. He had to awkwardly defend D'Angel Williams contract
Speaker 1: on television to be Deangel Woods the type of guy
Speaker 1: A lot of people, if you're a fan of a
Speaker 1: team on Twitter, is like, oh, maybe we should go
Speaker 1: get the Angel Williams. But it's like generally if a
Speaker 1: guy gets the free agency or cut, you want no
Speaker 1: part of him, and I would include them. That's why
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas, now that I'm thinking about it, not to
Speaker 1: go back there, but yeah, let's just do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many uh, how many in your in their prime
Speaker 1: like tight ends like that ever become available. I mean,
Speaker 1: think how much Jared Cook got on the free agent market.
Speaker 1: Julius tom is much better than Jaimes. Thomas is an
Speaker 1: awesome free agent to like in the middle of his prime,
Speaker 1: that talented, like he's gonna get huge, huge money. That's
Speaker 1: all I have to say. That's good, that's fine. It
Speaker 1: was It's right to the double back. Can I go
Speaker 1: from uh Peyton Maning to Blake Bortles. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: thing to watch with him. Alright, So gentlemen, before that's
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news before we move on, I
Speaker 1: I be remiss not to mention what we were talking
Speaker 1: about downstairs in the newsroom. That and Greg you might
Speaker 1: want to turn down the headset for this. It is
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Speaker 1: It is time for another edition of how About That?
Speaker 1: It's coming back and we're gonna get We're gonna ask
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Speaker 1: to be given to someone, what a what a lack
Speaker 1: of it was bequeath What a lack of integrity and
Speaker 1: really self respect to just take something that you haven't
Speaker 1: even earned. Chris West Lane, I've won I don't know
Speaker 1: ten or eleven matches of win Westerns Toaster you've won.
Speaker 1: You haven't won a single one against me. That's That's
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Speaker 1: that I this is all just setting up a titanic
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Speaker 1: we gotta get West's confidence back. We got to get
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Speaker 1: Westling t D. Any thoughts shout out to Brandon who
Speaker 1: who won the last toaster, that's all. We have been
Speaker 1: talking about him as well. But if you, if you're
Speaker 1: listening to the show, did you send Bernards his toaster?
Speaker 1: By the way? All right, so clearly not the prime
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Speaker 1: in the jet All right, good, so yes, and that's
Speaker 1: a shouldn't it be called win Bernard's toaster. All right, Bernard,
Speaker 1: it was big, We damn it. So get keep your
Speaker 1: eye after that that we'll be exciting, uh and moving
Speaker 1: on all right, Chris, speaking of which I very rarely
Speaker 1: call you, Chris. So it was a little weird even
Speaker 1: as Mr Westling cut candidates. So we talked about the
Speaker 1: players veterans that have a chance to be released between
Speaker 1: now and the start of free agency. And you're working
Speaker 1: up a really big, exhaustive list for both conferences. Uh, Greg,
Speaker 1: why don't you get us going? We have a have
Speaker 1: a top ten here? Should I read the top ten
Speaker 1: for the a f C? Is that a good way
Speaker 1: to start things? All right? Here's the top ten cut
Speaker 1: candidates for the a f C. Percy Harvin, Troy Paul Amalu,
Speaker 1: Dwayne Bow, Trent Richardson and Reggie Wayne Combo Pack, Matt Shob,
Speaker 1: Maurice Jones, Drew and Lamar Woodley, a Raiders triple pack, uh,
Speaker 1: Danelle ellerb and Courtland Finnegan nine and ten, Brian Hartline
Speaker 1: eleven and Brandon Gibson at twelve. So to wide receive
Speaker 1: us for the Dolphins, I'm doing a top four teens.
Speaker 1: A you could just skip him the last couple of Titans.
Speaker 1: So the matter, I don't even know what that those
Speaker 1: last names were. So, uh, what's let's start there, Greg Rosenthal, Well,
Speaker 1: this is the list of players you basically expect to
Speaker 1: be cut. You'd be surprised if Troy Paulo Malo is
Speaker 1: not cut. That's pretty interesting to me. I have rearranged,
Speaker 1: uh some of these names on the potential surprise list. Okay,
Speaker 1: and Paulo Malo is now on my potential surprise list
Speaker 1: after doing a little bit more research that he fell
Speaker 1: from two all the way down to the surprise list. Well,
Speaker 1: namely that Art Rooney has has said publicly that he
Speaker 1: wants Palmo to retire as a Steeler and made it
Speaker 1: pretty clear he doesn't want him to play for any
Speaker 1: other team. So well, Harvard's though, the name that stands
Speaker 1: out to me. You mentioned him, right, Dan, and I
Speaker 1: would not keep I would not cut Percy Harmon's. I
Speaker 1: think the Jets are in good position to keep them.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've paid him a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: they have the cap room. If I'm their general manager,
Speaker 1: Mike mccagnan, and you come in, you got Decker, you
Speaker 1: got Harvard, you got Curly, you got Comby, you got
Speaker 1: Chris Ivory. You're not gonna have Comby, but you got Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some money to spend. You got. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that's not a bad group. And you're not giving him
Speaker 1: some big signing bonus. You're kind of playing it out.
Speaker 1: Pay him for one year, see what he could do.
Speaker 1: He seems like a really nice fit for Chan Gailey's offense.
Speaker 1: I would say that, yes, I agree that he potentially
Speaker 1: could fit in that offense. Well, Um and the fact
Speaker 1: that the way then the contract is currently built, it's
Speaker 1: a year to year thing. But to me, if I
Speaker 1: had a chance to have Um Decker playing alongside uh
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, who had liked better as a player, I
Speaker 1: know you disagree, but I do. Or one of these
Speaker 1: top wide receivers UH White or Amari Cooper to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's a safer bet and
Speaker 1: I'm more comfortable comfortable going out and down that road.
Speaker 1: The only thing that would really upset me, but you
Speaker 1: gotta make this Harvard decision. First. You don't know who's
Speaker 1: gonna slip to you at number six. You don't know
Speaker 1: how you're going to get one of those two top
Speaker 1: wide receivers, or you have a ton of money, you could,
Speaker 1: you know, to bring somebody in. Who knows, Maybe they
Speaker 1: both good flexibility, they look pretty good, I mean, or
Speaker 1: who knows who? Maybe Jamis Woodson falls to number six
Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're taking him at six, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you make this decision. My only fear,
Speaker 1: and this speaks to your point, is if they decide
Speaker 1: they don't want to move forward with Harvin, and then
Speaker 1: they exact and they don't replace anybody, and then you're
Speaker 1: in trouble. We had a high octane newsroom in Brulio
Speaker 1: about about Harvin versus com Oh yeah, what did you
Speaker 1: say that, Cobb? You said you would that basically a
Speaker 1: poor man's Harvin. As far as when when Harvin's healthy,
Speaker 1: Harvin is much faster and stronger than Randall Cobb, a
Speaker 1: better playmaker, well, Cordurell Patterson's faster and stronger than than
Speaker 1: those two two. He's not that great at football, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Harvin is great at football, but
Speaker 1: your what's the analogy here? You're talking about some hyper
Speaker 1: idealized version of peak Harvin that he gets for three
Speaker 1: games every three years. That's not the reality that that
Speaker 1: teams have to work with. I wouldn't you much rather
Speaker 1: have That's not well, that's not what the debate wasn't
Speaker 1: a news room. I agree that Randall Cobbs should earn
Speaker 1: more money than Harvard because he's more reliable, But when
Speaker 1: Harvard's healthy, he is a better talent than Randall cop
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm surprised as I look further down
Speaker 1: the list potential surprise cuts. You have Danny Amadola of
Speaker 1: the Patriots on the list, and I wonder if this
Speaker 1: is just so you can in your mind, on some level,
Speaker 1: maybe that would free him up to join your stable
Speaker 1: boys forever or get a condo somewhere. He's on this
Speaker 1: list because due to strong, strong armed tactics from Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: who enjoys seeing grown men lose their jobs. What you're
Speaker 1: the one article? What you think I want Amadola off
Speaker 1: the team? Yeah? What about Vince Wilferck, who you have
Speaker 1: in the middle of list here, Big Vince, maybe not
Speaker 1: the same guy who was, but still like a heart
Speaker 1: of that entire organization. Yeah, that's it's a perfect guy
Speaker 1: to put you put on your surprise cuts list, so
Speaker 1: we're not counting on it. Wilfork is someone I think
Speaker 1: if if you look at the salary and you look
Speaker 1: at the production that he had last year and the
Speaker 1: level of play Robert Kraft loves him, and the stories
Speaker 1: where he played a big part in keeping Wolfork, and
Speaker 1: it would be cold blooded to cut Wilfork after that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl trophy. But isn't that kind of the not
Speaker 1: as can you imagine the Patriots doing that? Not as
Speaker 1: cold blooded as trading Logan Mankins before his first Super
Speaker 1: Bowl trophy. And by the way, Greg knows he could
Speaker 1: get rid of any of these players and he'd still
Speaker 1: end up twelve and four and deep the playoffs. I'm look,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying. I want to. I would want to
Speaker 1: keep Vince Wolfork. He's a guy there. He is got
Speaker 1: gold blunions. That's what do you call those bunions? What
Speaker 1: what do you call a gold bully on gold bullying bully?
Speaker 1: And he's got jugs of wine as a man feeding
Speaker 1: him grapes. I'm aware of bullion cubes. That's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a little Toto Lady soup with that little boy
Speaker 1: back a little bit so and this me. I had
Speaker 1: like the Game of Thrones Throne of Ease music, you know,
Speaker 1: and then Dent hits me up the email the other day.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, let's let's use this one. It represents
Speaker 1: Greg's clumsy nature. Wow, that's not what I said something
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, let's get whimsical. Then those are calling
Speaker 1: clumsy is a little different. You're trying to get me
Speaker 1: fired over all, right, whimsical TV, what's up? Greg's a
Speaker 1: clumsy ox give him this. It's like a little bit difference.
Speaker 1: Then Greg's whimsical. That's fair. Yeah, that where you're gonna
Speaker 1: going with me? Talk about clumsy The Throne and Game
Speaker 1: of Throne. There's nothing easy about it. I haven't need
Speaker 1: to watch it. Well, let's let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: these other surprises I got. We gotta move to we
Speaker 1: gotta do you have anything else? This is great? We
Speaker 1: got a ton of great stuff. Greg takes glee and
Speaker 1: other men losing their jobs. Greg, Yeah, Peyton Manning, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about we know this this potentially gonna because
Speaker 1: you know Peyton Manning. We're I'm still a part of
Speaker 1: the camp that believes Peyton Manning not a lock. What
Speaker 1: that be amazing if he got cut by the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: And then you've got Darrell Revis, Mike Wallace. Tom Alie's
Speaker 1: the name I haven't heard a lot of people talk about,
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't surprise me if they cut. What's the
Speaker 1: percentage chance that Darrell Rivis is a free agent? You
Speaker 1: think thirty? That seems low to me, that seems low.
Speaker 1: I just think they'll work out a long term deal.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll pay him twenty million dollars, so
Speaker 1: I do think. I think he'll either be cut or
Speaker 1: they'll have a long term deal. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: just going to keep him at that salary. All right,
Speaker 1: anything else, Greg you want to hit on the potential surprises,
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace will probably still be there. Right They met
Speaker 1: with him during the combine. Actually take something out of that,
Speaker 1: the fact that Mike wall that the Dolphins care enough
Speaker 1: to meet with his side to try to work something.
Speaker 1: Now it seems like they're not ready to shut the door.
Speaker 1: That would be crazy because if they went they went
Speaker 1: full Panthers, then they cut their basically their their their
Speaker 1: entire wide receiver corpate. They also get rid of heartline Uh,
Speaker 1: moving towards you went back to corp she did. I
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna stop. Alright, Greg, is there anyone else
Speaker 1: you want to hit on here in your club nature?
Speaker 1: Let's whimsically go to the NFC? Alright, let's do that,
Speaker 1: all right. So here's the top of Westling's NFC list.
Speaker 1: Unless he's edited to undermine our podcast, this is in
Speaker 1: no particular Okay, this'll go up on. By the way,
Speaker 1: when you listen to this, you can read the a
Speaker 1: f C one hot high octane and then Wednesday will
Speaker 1: drop the end. Yeah. Take that the list you have
Speaker 1: in front of you. Okay, I'll just pull out some
Speaker 1: interesting names and maybe we'll break down what they are. Cutler,
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall is interesting to me, of course. Adrian Peterson, Uh,
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush. I think we could take Kima Nuke off
Speaker 1: this list. Uh. Pierre Garzone, That one jumps out to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you really think they would cut Pierre Garson? Is
Speaker 1: there any that if you're not going to use him,
Speaker 1: why pay him nine million dollars? Well, they don't use
Speaker 1: him in j Gruden's offense. So this is basically you
Speaker 1: living out some sort of I don't know anger that
Speaker 1: you have towards the Redskins. No, that's hashtag analysis. He's
Speaker 1: a bad fitness offense. He played the X and had
Speaker 1: a great year the year before in Kyle Shanahan's office offense.
Speaker 1: Then Jake Gruden brings his offensive and makes Deshaun Jackson
Speaker 1: the centerpiece, turns Peter Garson into a blocker. Well, they
Speaker 1: gave him a lot of big signing bonus, they'd have
Speaker 1: to take a bit of a cap hit. Sounds like
Speaker 1: that might just be one where they restructure him and
Speaker 1: keep him. Uh name that jumps out to me on
Speaker 1: West's list, Riley Cooper. Uh when I wrote the offseason forecast.
Speaker 1: Obviously he fell off a cliff. But apparently the way
Speaker 1: the contracts written, they would cost them more to get
Speaker 1: rid of them than to keep him. Is he that
Speaker 1: bad where that they would just wash their hands of him?
Speaker 1: Who was worse than him? Last year? Like his whole
Speaker 1: season was Reggie Wayne's last two months and and really,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, two years ago or whatever,
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, he was one of the worst
Speaker 1: wide receiver starters in the league. Two so two out
Speaker 1: of the last three years. I guess it was twelve. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean he has been one of the one in
Speaker 1: the middle, had what tender touchdowns. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you make a good point. I mean, but also, you
Speaker 1: know you have to keep Jeremy Macklin. They've gotta find
Speaker 1: a way to keep him in the building. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: bank on that then making a hard play to keep him.
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are waiting for him, make a
Speaker 1: run at him, re uniting with Andy Reid and bring
Speaker 1: him back home. I like the top of your list here,
Speaker 1: Cutler and Marshall. It's hard for me to imagine them
Speaker 1: cutting Cutler. I mean, I understand why you put him
Speaker 1: on a list. He should be on the list. It's
Speaker 1: hard for me, uh to imagine them cutting Cutler rather
Speaker 1: because just you're gonna be paid him to go away
Speaker 1: and you don't have a logical quarterback solution. I think
Speaker 1: they'll try to trade him. But Marshall is interesting that
Speaker 1: they don't seem like totally convinced that they want to
Speaker 1: keep Brandon Marshall round despite being very productive. The weird
Speaker 1: thing about this to me and somebody there Bears another
Speaker 1: team with the forecast, and then some Bears fan got
Speaker 1: on me about you know, everybody's saying that Brendan Marshall
Speaker 1: is such a huge headache and do teams want to
Speaker 1: to deal with that? And you know what, what is
Speaker 1: he really? How was he a headache last season? Uh?
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of a good point. There was
Speaker 1: the locker room yelling incident. He went he were inside
Speaker 1: the NFL, which is an annoying thing. But I mean
Speaker 1: maybe there's behind the scenes. Articles come out in the
Speaker 1: last few weeks, one from Chicago Tribune, I think, one
Speaker 1: from the Sun Times and another one from Hub Artist
Speaker 1: who used to write for Pro Football Weekly, all basically
Speaker 1: slamming him and saying teammates and coaches did not did
Speaker 1: not like his attitude. And I think him traveling every
Speaker 1: Tuesday to do inside the NFL rankled quite a few people.
Speaker 1: Is what that's possible that he is a locker room lawyer.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I don't know what a locker what do
Speaker 1: we asked? We asked Tannenbaum about that, Yeah, and don't
Speaker 1: he gave a good answer. And he actually is a lawyer,
Speaker 1: so he would think that he would have He didn't
Speaker 1: seem to know either, But uh, maybe rend Im martially
Speaker 1: is a locker room. By the way, Greg Jennings on
Speaker 1: this list, that's a good that's a good one. When
Speaker 1: North Turner has taken shots at you in directly by
Speaker 1: calling Charles Johnson the b receiver by far on the team.
Speaker 1: You know, Greg Jennings is not long for minutes? What
Speaker 1: about Jake Long? Who who's not getting his left tackle
Speaker 1: job back? Who who's falling off a cliff faster? Not
Speaker 1: other other than Riley Cooper than Jake Long. His body
Speaker 1: I gets just betrayed him. Well, I would argue it's
Speaker 1: been a slow decline. I mean, he's had a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries over his career, so even in Miami he
Speaker 1: was struggling there. The contract that they gave him was
Speaker 1: very surprising to a lot of people when it happened,
Speaker 1: and I'd be stunned if he was back. I expect
Speaker 1: him to be cut. Anybody else on lives see Stephen
Speaker 1: Jackson's here, He's gone. Steven Jackson gonna get another job.
Speaker 1: He might be dead. I could see him getting one
Speaker 1: more one year backup job type of thing. You know.
Speaker 1: Thinks so West, I think he's it's time to go.
Speaker 1: He he moves like Trent Richardson. You have Jerry Evans
Speaker 1: and Marcus Colston. You could throw Ben Grubs on there
Speaker 1: as well, who reportedly needs to restructure his contract. The
Speaker 1: Saints kind of they're kind of a team I wonder
Speaker 1: like some of these big contracts. Not their windows closing,
Speaker 1: but they almost feel like one of those teams that
Speaker 1: keeps having to cut players because they got into cap trouble.
Speaker 1: They're in bigger cap trouble than any team right now,
Speaker 1: right and so that that's that you do not want
Speaker 1: to be there. They have not really one many games
Speaker 1: the last year's It's just something's bad about in New
Speaker 1: Orleans right now. I think there's a feeling like, oh,
Speaker 1: they'll bounce back, but I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're ever going to get back to to where
Speaker 1: they were. You might even say there's bad voodoo. Well,
Speaker 1: I tweeted to I tweeted from the airplane yesterday being
Speaker 1: able to spy on a Rob Bryan fast food session.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was great. I like that little you
Speaker 1: did one of those you know sometimes people go on
Speaker 1: like fifteen tweets. It was inspired by Norm McDonald, who,
Speaker 1: if you care about SNL went on an epic uh
Speaker 1: storytelling rant. Last week about how Eddie Murphy old almost
Speaker 1: was in a played Bill Cosby and a Jeopardy sketch
Speaker 1: for their fourt anniversary special, and he went on for
Speaker 1: a hundred tweets about it two hours, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I I basically live not live tweeted,
Speaker 1: but I report tweeted on Lovey Smith, followed by Rob
Speaker 1: Ryan going to chick fil A and uh, Rob Bryan
Speaker 1: was instantly recognized by one of the cooks behind was
Speaker 1: uh taking a picture of his phone and I thought,
Speaker 1: was there any other coordinator in football that would have
Speaker 1: been recognized besides Rob? That's a good question. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of former head coaches that maybe Wade Phillips,
Speaker 1: but uh, and then he ordered to chicken one spicy
Speaker 1: and one plane and a medium dr pepper. Well, you're
Speaker 1: buried the lead here? Where did you eat before this?
Speaker 1: I went to Kayoba, which I looked at chickil A
Speaker 1: and then I looked at Kayoba and I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: let me try Kadoba, immediately regretted and then we never
Speaker 1: even heard of ka I've seen it never. It's a
Speaker 1: mid to lower tier Mexican eatery like third in the list,
Speaker 1: behind Free Birds three birds, I don't know three birds. Well.
Speaker 1: Gold Standard and I were tweeting back and forth afterwards
Speaker 1: about a division of Mexican food joints, and we had uh.
Speaker 1: I had Baja Fresh at eleven and five, at Chipotle
Speaker 1: ten and six. I had Katoba at five and eleven,
Speaker 1: and then Taco Bell at four and twelve Free Bridge. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's sare about fresh. If we can only count l
Speaker 1: A Chains, we'll put Pechino Moss in. You two with
Speaker 1: the bye. I did Taco Bell get even a single win? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had to put somebody in last place. And that
Speaker 1: was all I thought of, all right, before we go.
Speaker 1: So that's that happened before we go. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the combine a little bit. Let's circle back and and
Speaker 1: uh and talk about the what we saw on TV,
Speaker 1: what we want I saw in person at Lucas Oil Stadium. Greg,
Speaker 1: you have some hot takes, I'm sure, So we'll start
Speaker 1: with you. Oh really, all right, don't don't trip over
Speaker 1: your feet, old clumsy Rosenthal. Well we're not college experts
Speaker 1: are out of here. We have Bucky really to help
Speaker 1: us out. And Daniel and you were just starting to
Speaker 1: learn these players. But I did start to get excited
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver class, thinking about, you know, these
Speaker 1: are guys like last year who are gonna be a
Speaker 1: big part of our lives. Again, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Last year's receiver class really one of the
Speaker 1: best of all time as rookies if we didn't know
Speaker 1: that until but we we thought that they were going
Speaker 1: to be pretty good then, and that's why five or
Speaker 1: six went in the first round, and they went so early.
Speaker 1: And just watching these guys, especially uh Kevin White and
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper and Devanti Parker, it seems like three guys
Speaker 1: could go as high as the top ten, top twelve.
Speaker 1: And DJ made the point he thinks that they are
Speaker 1: as safe as any picks in the draft, which is
Speaker 1: interesting to hear us about a wide receiver, but you
Speaker 1: can see that in today's NFL with the rules and everything,
Speaker 1: and just watching how these guys skills translate. I mean,
Speaker 1: White's a beast. Yeah, he definitely. Uh Mary Cooper when
Speaker 1: he went into the combine, a lot of people said
Speaker 1: he was the top guy. Now I feel like White
Speaker 1: is taking that over, and I did briefly in my mind.
Speaker 1: Um talking myself into. Originally, I was like, oh, we
Speaker 1: take Mariota the Jets at six, and then you know,
Speaker 1: we'll figure out figure out something down the line, but
Speaker 1: get that quarterback. Then for a while I talked myself
Speaker 1: into grabbed one of those receivers at number six, whether
Speaker 1: it's White or Cooper. Then come back and get some
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty, who I was loving. And then I say
Speaker 1: I sat in on a Mike Mayock press conference and
Speaker 1: he explained that these spread quarterbacks are you They're completely
Speaker 1: mysteries because you can't see how they react in the
Speaker 1: pocket and how they run an offense and whether they
Speaker 1: have any awareness, and it scared me off. He said
Speaker 1: that Bryce Petty and the Huntley kid are at least
Speaker 1: one year projects. And more than that, I saw DJ
Speaker 1: had career snaps under center for some of these guys.
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariotta five in his entire college career. Well, I
Speaker 1: was I was listening at the Senior bo. I think
Speaker 1: it was Gus Bradley on on the set with NFL
Speaker 1: Network and he said he asked his group, but thirty players,
Speaker 1: how many of you guys huddled last year? And it
Speaker 1: was only like six guys out of thirty and then
Speaker 1: it's the insane, like just huddled regularly, you know, as
Speaker 1: part of your team, because that's that's what teams do.
Speaker 1: But it's a totally it's a totally different game and
Speaker 1: in a different position. Spread quarterback is a different position
Speaker 1: than NFL quarters well, and quarterbacks could emerge from the
Speaker 1: later rounds and be factors that it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, one thing as we were
Speaker 1: getting to know this this class better, is it's a
Speaker 1: huge drop from those top two to really anyone that
Speaker 1: I think people are going to be excited about. It's
Speaker 1: not like the Kaepernick, Dalton and who else was in
Speaker 1: that little group there in the second round where there
Speaker 1: was where there was this group of guys in that
Speaker 1: class where people are thinking, Okay, they might not go
Speaker 1: in the first round, but these guys could be factors
Speaker 1: pretty soon. It doesn't seem like that class. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know, but then you think about this spread thing
Speaker 1: and what Mayok said, he likened it to putting someone
Speaker 1: from kindergarten into a college level class. Mariota, why is
Speaker 1: he then the number five pick if he's that at
Speaker 1: that same level where you can't figure out how he
Speaker 1: can play half of the game. I mean, I heard
Speaker 1: scares me a little bit. Chip Kelly weighed in on
Speaker 1: this and basically said that Mariota is the smartest player
Speaker 1: he's ever been around, and he will pick it up
Speaker 1: extremely fast, and nobody has to worry about his work
Speaker 1: ethic or putting in the time because everybody's convinced that
Speaker 1: he's that guy who will pick it up quickly and
Speaker 1: be committed to it. I thought we were going to
Speaker 1: come out of the combine people would be talking about
Speaker 1: him as a potential number one again, just because how
Speaker 1: can you knock the guy for just doing well and
Speaker 1: everything he's done and he shows up to the combine.
Speaker 1: He he runs fast. He tests really well, which wasn't
Speaker 1: a surprise. So he's wildly athletic. He's known as being accurate.
Speaker 1: He showed off a good arm in college when they
Speaker 1: asked him to, and he did at the combine too.
Speaker 1: Usually players don't throw at the combine and very well,
Speaker 1: and everyone was really impressed with how Marietta throws. So
Speaker 1: he's accurate. He's got great measurables, he's smart, he works hard.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, he was in a spread offense. But
Speaker 1: that's a lot to like. One thing I did here
Speaker 1: on the floor and it's funny because TD just ping me,
Speaker 1: so I was about to throw it to him. Was
Speaker 1: I heard some people talking about how he carries himself,
Speaker 1: the way the way he walks, and yes, body language,
Speaker 1: So TD the body language expert, your thoughts and Marcus Marianna.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a combine this year, but was doing some
Speaker 1: research back here for some other stuff. And the one
Speaker 1: thing that stands out our show on him, he might
Speaker 1: might be he's a He's a very quiet guy. He's
Speaker 1: very self spoken kind of guy, and which is good.
Speaker 1: He's respectful. That's that's good to open in a room
Speaker 1: full of grown men commanding the HUD. I don't like
Speaker 1: think about it right now. You I mean, you're shrugging,
Speaker 1: been in a huddle to command. But that's a good point,
Speaker 1: Like can't you do it like that? That's That's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco was not that quiet. Joe Flack was a fun
Speaker 1: guy though, like teammates Eli Man, he's won a couple
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls. He's he's always the who has the
Speaker 1: worst body language up there, at least early in his
Speaker 1: old shrug and Elive they call him that's his actually
Speaker 1: birth name. Well there. It was really striking to watch
Speaker 1: Mariota and Winston, for instance, when they interviewed on the
Speaker 1: set with NFL Network. I mean they couldn't be more
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed. I mean, in Winston very gregarious. I think
Speaker 1: some people wondering, you know, is that I don't know
Speaker 1: a sales job or something. But it's hard not to
Speaker 1: like did they give him the old Eddie Haskell tag?
Speaker 1: That's my favorite one, but the Scout term he's got
Speaker 1: a little Eddie Haskell in him, Like you can't believe
Speaker 1: anything he says, I know what you're talking about right now,
Speaker 1: but help out everyone else after Eddie Haskell is a
Speaker 1: character and leave it to Beaver. And he was always
Speaker 1: up to no good and blaming things on other people.
Speaker 1: You just couldn't believe it. He was disingenuous, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what Scouts always say, that he's got some
Speaker 1: Eddie Haskell in him, kind of like that's what they
Speaker 1: used to say Cam Newton's fake smile or whatever. What
Speaker 1: do you think about jamis Uh? He is like you said,
Speaker 1: he's very boisterous, but there's questions how genuine is this
Speaker 1: guy seems kind of shady, but oh come on, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know this. The verdic is still out,
Speaker 1: but I do like his enthusiasm. And people are saying
Speaker 1: that something that NFL teams are going to beat out
Speaker 1: of him. Better come in because I disagree that. I
Speaker 1: don't think PR teams are going to be beat that
Speaker 1: out of him, because he seems like a guy that
Speaker 1: feeds off that. He needs that energy, he needs that
Speaker 1: enthusiasm to play. Well, look, I'm not trying to date
Speaker 1: these guys or whatever. I don't care about their personalities
Speaker 1: that much. Everything they say about Jamis Winson watching and stuff,
Speaker 1: it seems like exactly what you want out of out
Speaker 1: of your quarterback. That comparison was to Ben Roethlisberger, which
Speaker 1: of course is going to get me excited. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can anticipate, accurate, big arm football smart, Like, what
Speaker 1: what more do you want? I think the comparisons to
Speaker 1: Big Ben might extend to off the field. Well, I
Speaker 1: would take it. If you can sign up, if you
Speaker 1: can sign up for another career a Big Ben and
Speaker 1: you're you're not you're not gonna let him pass on
Speaker 1: the draft board because of off the field stuff. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all we have time for. And thankfully
Speaker 1: Bucky will uh you know, lead us uh to more
Speaker 1: college football goodness. And that was good. That was a
Speaker 1: good start. It was pretty good. It's pretty day good.
Speaker 1: We will be back when you guys, Yes, really pre wrap.
Speaker 1: So I had this drop. Okay, yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: upset Dan. I mean he was trying to wrap. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hear him out the show because you know, birthdays.
Speaker 1: I think I know where you're going, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to know because I contend that everyone sort of knows
Speaker 1: where they were when fifty first came out. I thought,
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask if West knew who that was. I
Speaker 1: think I really wanted to know where Mark. Mark's answers
Speaker 1: to this, But do you guys remember when fifty first
Speaker 1: dropped in that single first game out? Do you know
Speaker 1: what you wear? What you're up to? Because it was
Speaker 1: it was I was in Hoboken and it was basically,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest singles of all time. Man.
Speaker 1: I was in Cincinnati working at a law firm. I
Speaker 1: do remember when it came out? I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I know I was in New York because I was
Speaker 1: there for ten years, but I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1: One of the stupidest videos it was like Dr Dre
Speaker 1: basically turning fifty cent into Ivan Drago and it was
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like mail and and like
Speaker 1: upside down sit ups. It was excuse me, it was.
Speaker 1: It was just weird. Uh, every do you want to
Speaker 1: ask me when I where I was when Juveniles Hat
Speaker 1: came in? Then I'll know exactly where I was seated.
Speaker 1: What couch which you know couch? Do you want to
Speaker 1: ask me when new radicals you get what you give
Speaker 1: came up? I mean that was I was running through
Speaker 1: the hallways. All right. Well that was good, t D.
Speaker 1: That was good. That's it's for this podcast. We'll be
Speaker 1: back on Thursday, and we will hope Mark will be back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole crew there for a while. Both crew will
Speaker 1: be back. So that's exciting. Uh and yes, hashtag w
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Speaker 1: that up. This is Dan Hanson signing off for The
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