Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast deserves a little bit of credit.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in for Dan Handis and a
Speaker 1: lot of heroes that are gonna be joining us later
Speaker 1: from Indianapolis. But for now, I've got a couple of heroes,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and special guests Colleen Wolf from NFL Now.
Speaker 1: What is up? How's it going? This is exciting. I
Speaker 1: mean just last week we broke new ground, uh with
Speaker 1: our first you know, in studio female guest, Lindsay Rhodes,
Speaker 1: and now here we have Colleen Wolf. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of great reaction trendy thing. Are you just saying
Speaker 1: because like now you're just gonna have girls on because
Speaker 1: for women? Oh, give me a break. You're we just
Speaker 1: wrapped up. You just did how many hours on NFL
Speaker 1: now talking combine, I think something like six or seven
Speaker 1: Colleen and Elliott Harrison. We're giving live re action for
Speaker 1: about three hours to all the press conferences on NFL now.
Speaker 1: People should check it out on Thursday if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this. And then I jumped in and I joined
Speaker 1: you for about two two to three hours of reacting
Speaker 1: to all the press conferences. So that's where we are
Speaker 1: right now, and you're burying the lead because I think
Speaker 1: everybody should know. Once Greg left the studio, he left
Speaker 1: a present for all of us, his half eaten banana
Speaker 1: on the desk. But that was even worse, though it
Speaker 1: was below the desk. I think that was a power move.
Speaker 1: I was going to bring it over. Then I felt
Speaker 1: carrying it around. I got across the street and I
Speaker 1: suddenly thought, oh my god, did I leave that banana there?
Speaker 1: That is horrible. I'm gonna get grief for it. And
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, well we have to run up we have.
Speaker 1: We just ran upstairs to do the podcast. Almost immediately after,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, no one will notice. I'll go back
Speaker 1: to that studio after we do the podcast and throw
Speaker 1: it out. But this feels like a boatload of excuses.
Speaker 1: But how are you doing good? Could? I like that?
Speaker 1: We have news? We have a lot of news, and
Speaker 1: and we might as well just jump into it pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Here we're gonna go through all the news from Wednesday,
Speaker 1: And there was a lot, Colleen, there was so much.
Speaker 1: There was about I think twenty four press conferences today,
Speaker 1: and there were a couple of bombs. I thought that
Speaker 1: were dropped on us all. So the three of us,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a lot of that news,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna call the guys in Indianapolis one
Speaker 1: by one, so a little different on today's show. Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Kevin Patra Conn Roor, and Dan Hansis will all join us.
Speaker 1: That'll be today's show. On Friday, we're actually gonna have
Speaker 1: they'll be doing the show really more by themselves. We'll
Speaker 1: throw it to them and they'll just take care of it.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he wanted something to say something. No,
Speaker 1: I just we should introduce them as our in our
Speaker 1: Intrepid Combine quartet. Oh, there was a lot of great picture.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of great pictures of Mark and
Speaker 1: and Dan at the Combine today. I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Then in one Mark was literally holding two different recorders
Speaker 1: and and and Dan was just sitting there. Kin, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what my favorite part of today, My favorite
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler thing from today was during the John Harball
Speaker 1: press conference and John Harrorball said that he was giving
Speaker 1: up chocolate and bread for Lent, and then you hear
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler asking him if if bread and chicken counts.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We'll have to ask Mark about that
Speaker 1: when we get him on the show. But first TV,
Speaker 1: let's start with a little news. But right now I'm
Speaker 1: joined by a special guest. Is that me? I like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't even recognize that person. Kudos to TV, because
Speaker 1: let's be honest, we just put this show together about
Speaker 1: half hour before coming up here, and last minute still
Speaker 1: got that going. I think those were the very first
Speaker 1: words out of my mouth to Elliot Harrison this morning.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: with what I thought was the biggest story of the day,
Speaker 1: and that came from Jay Gruden. He comes to the
Speaker 1: podium and he says r G three is going to
Speaker 1: be our starter, And just the way that he said
Speaker 1: it made it sound like it's not going to be
Speaker 1: a competition, that this guy is gonna be our Week
Speaker 1: one guy. And suddenly Robert Griffin the third is the
Speaker 1: guy in Washington. Very strange. It's amazing how much this
Speaker 1: message has changed from the film he was watching in
Speaker 1: October and November, which made him go in front of
Speaker 1: reporters and rip his quarterback to shreds on a on
Speaker 1: a regular basis, and in January when Scott mcluen was
Speaker 1: hired and said, look, we're basically going with r G three.
Speaker 1: We weren't. He's young, we can't give up on him.
Speaker 1: It seems like Jay Grun's message today came from above him.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much stock I'm putting into that though,
Speaker 1: because based on his facial oppressions while he was saying it,
Speaker 1: he did not look very happy at all was on
Speaker 1: the NFL now. He looked like he was in pain.
Speaker 1: But also we saw how he kind of flip flopped
Speaker 1: from quarterback to quarterback last season and didn't really commit
Speaker 1: to anybody. So it would not surprise me if r
Speaker 1: G three wasn't the starter. I wonder if there's something
Speaker 1: here about r G three's ego and the organization deciding, look,
Speaker 1: we're not going to trade him this year. We're not
Speaker 1: going to cut him. He's gonna be on the roster,
Speaker 1: and the best way to handle this guy is to
Speaker 1: make him feel like the prettiest girl at the dance.
Speaker 1: And so let's spend the off season doing that instead
Speaker 1: of the approach that Gruden took last year, which was
Speaker 1: being brutally honest. I mean, he is the prettiest girl
Speaker 1: at the dance though, well he is better looking than
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Coote McCoy. Yeah, well, I don't even
Speaker 1: know about that. It's called is not a bad looking guy.
Speaker 1: I thought we were going with figuratively okay, well he
Speaker 1: as far as their quarterback out, I was going looks well,
Speaker 1: I think Coleen's got a good point. I believe this one.
Speaker 1: I see it because way r G three has looked
Speaker 1: for the past calendar year, he could he could face
Speaker 1: plant epically in preseason again. Yeah, and you just you
Speaker 1: wonder about so many different things with this team, in
Speaker 1: the way that Jake Gruden runs the offense. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of questions, and it's not just with the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, but I do wonder if r G three
Speaker 1: can get back to where he was before. I mean
Speaker 1: a year ago. At this time, Chris Wesley was promising
Speaker 1: up and down, this is the comeback player, and the
Speaker 1: race it's over already and bye bye week ten. He
Speaker 1: was saying, this guy didn't even how to play football.
Speaker 1: I for I didn't know that he forgot how to
Speaker 1: play quarterback and he was playing a different sport. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think needs to change though, what what
Speaker 1: does he have to do? Because we obviously saw at
Speaker 1: some point in time he knew how to play the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. And when he's able to run around and
Speaker 1: not stay in the pocket, he's okay. But what happened?
Speaker 1: You need a Bob Knight special, tear him down all
Speaker 1: the way, just trying to tear him down all the
Speaker 1: way until there's nothing left, then rebuild him from scratch
Speaker 1: as a different quarterback. Well, I think what he needs
Speaker 1: is a system as similar to what made him good
Speaker 1: in College's possible, and I don't know if Jake Gruden
Speaker 1: is really going to be the guy to give him
Speaker 1: that system. And I think what he needs is athleticism
Speaker 1: from three years ago, which he doesn't have right that's
Speaker 1: not coming back. I know this is painful, TD, aren't
Speaker 1: you an r G three guy? No? Really, Now, it
Speaker 1: was exciting to watch a rookie, but it just was
Speaker 1: a weird. The thing today was weird. And I love
Speaker 1: colleens just jumping in here calling bs on j Gruden
Speaker 1: bay right away, and you're right now. Jay Gruden leads
Speaker 1: the league insane things at press conferences that make him
Speaker 1: look like he has indigestion, right, like maybe it thought
Speaker 1: maybe it did come from Snyder, or it came from mcgluen,
Speaker 1: and they just decided. Do you know where it all
Speaker 1: went sour for me with RG three when he quoted
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill in a press conference to tell people that
Speaker 1: he would not be quarterbacking that week. Stop it with
Speaker 1: all the spinning and the a rod like image control
Speaker 1: and your handlers telling you you have to market yourself more.
Speaker 1: Just play football. He just needs to He needs to
Speaker 1: get off Twitter. He needs to stop doing everything besides
Speaker 1: studying and playing football. Well, what it does is possibly
Speaker 1: take away the storyline of who's going to start for
Speaker 1: this team, and maybe that's the idea, is to take
Speaker 1: away a little bit of the media drama from this offseason.
Speaker 1: So you know, the Combine always has a couple of
Speaker 1: surprises that that was a big surprise to me. Today
Speaker 1: another story that wasn't as big a surprise but very noteworthy,
Speaker 1: got lost a little in the Combine press conference. Buzz
Speaker 1: was Larry Fitzgerald has reached agreement on a new contract.
Speaker 1: Our NFL media insider Ian Rappaport reports it'll essentially pay
Speaker 1: him eleven million dollars fully guaranteed over the next two years.
Speaker 1: After that, oh yes, great cash after that. You know,
Speaker 1: who knows, he's probably not gonna be on the roster,
Speaker 1: but two years eleven million dollars, Larry Fitzgerald. What do
Speaker 1: we think about this? Well? I listened to Elliott and
Speaker 1: Colleen discussed this, and Elliot had mentioned that fitz Gerald
Speaker 1: is a number two now and that Michael Floyd has
Speaker 1: to be the centerpiece of the offense. And I couldn't
Speaker 1: disagree with Elliott more, not just about that, you were
Speaker 1: disagreeing all day. Well, you know, we don't see eye
Speaker 1: to eye on a lot of things that involved what
Speaker 1: goes on on a football field right now, So where
Speaker 1: do you what do you see? Fits as well? There's
Speaker 1: a five game stretch last year that I thought was
Speaker 1: his best stretched since since two thousand eleven. And I
Speaker 1: think he doesn't put up grandiose numbers anymore because Bruce
Speaker 1: arians uses him as a slot receiver and he's not
Speaker 1: allowed to run yards twenty or thirty run routes twenty
Speaker 1: or thirty yards down the field. He's still the best
Speaker 1: receiver on this team. How about that grandiose? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're dropping grandiose on NFL. Now, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is what you guys have been doing great
Speaker 1: work over there, But this is what we call the
Speaker 1: big leagues. Big guys have things that are moving in here.
Speaker 1: This is pretty cool. There's a lot of stuff happening.
Speaker 1: But back to Larry Fitzgerald, I think when you say
Speaker 1: that he had a stretch of five games that were
Speaker 1: really good, did that that start with the Eagles? Did
Speaker 1: he play the Eagles? And because that is sort of
Speaker 1: the remedy that Larry Fitzgerald. All he has to do
Speaker 1: is play the Eagles. So it's almost a shame that
Speaker 1: he didn't get traded to somebody in the division in
Speaker 1: the NFC East, because then you're guaranteed at least two
Speaker 1: great games a year from him. I like, this is
Speaker 1: definitely coming from someone who grew up in the Philadelphia area. Correct,
Speaker 1: you can say you're in a safe place here. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Philadelphia. Well not in Philadelphia, but you
Speaker 1: know what I mean around Philadelphia. But yeah, so Larry Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: he's always been really good against the Eagles. But also
Speaker 1: he's a guy who they said that he's very outspoken
Speaker 1: in a good way in the locker room, and it's
Speaker 1: a good guy to keep around, especially for the younger
Speaker 1: players to sort of mentor. And that's a huge deal. Well,
Speaker 1: they were stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Speaker 1: Would you rather pay a lot of money on your
Speaker 1: salary cap to get rid of Larry Fitzgerald or figure
Speaker 1: out a solution like this one where maybe he's just
Speaker 1: a little bit overpaid at this stage of his career,
Speaker 1: and and keep him and actually have him on the
Speaker 1: field being part of the solution. I think that's what
Speaker 1: they did here. I saw some comments on Twitter that
Speaker 1: if they were just going to give this contract to him,
Speaker 1: which to some people shows that you know, they weren't
Speaker 1: really ready to give him monster money, they should have
Speaker 1: just cut him and be done with it. But I
Speaker 1: don't buy that. They don't buy that eleven million dollars
Speaker 1: a year is much more fair than where he was
Speaker 1: at before, which was sixteen millions at bass salary twenty three.
Speaker 1: And so this is how you play the salary cap game.
Speaker 1: And it's all because he got this contract way back
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie, where he was making more
Speaker 1: money than starting quarterbacks were making. That's what he was
Speaker 1: working off of He's made more money in the NFL
Speaker 1: than any receiver in history, and it's not by a
Speaker 1: little bit. So what do you think Larry Fitzgerald's dad
Speaker 1: is doing right now? Think that's a good question. He's
Speaker 1: probably complaining about something he's never happy with, how Larry
Speaker 1: is uh perceived in the media. He's probably celebrating to
Speaker 1: like I remember in the Super Bowl when they cut
Speaker 1: to him and he was just going crazy. He shouldn't
Speaker 1: worry about how Larry's perceived. I think Fitzgerald is pretty
Speaker 1: much widely respected by the media, and I think this
Speaker 1: deal without the numbers as far as his catches and
Speaker 1: receptions and touchdowns. We talked about last year that the
Speaker 1: Cardinals through three forth of the season, when they still
Speaker 1: had a viable quarterback, we're possibly the best team as
Speaker 1: far as playing together and playing for a coach, and
Speaker 1: you could see that they were tight and that starts
Speaker 1: with Larry Fitzgerald willingly accepting a lesser rule. Well, it's
Speaker 1: weird because they're in a win now type of mode.
Speaker 1: You don't think of that because it's a new coach,
Speaker 1: but you know they have an aging quarterback. They don't
Speaker 1: really have a solution other than that at quarterback. Like
Speaker 1: they were good enough team to compete right now, why
Speaker 1: not wins with three different starting quarterback. That's not easy
Speaker 1: to do, it is not um. Let's talk about a
Speaker 1: guy who maybe not as Uh I wouldn't say well respected,
Speaker 1: but not as many nice things have been written about him,
Speaker 1: certainly recently as Larry Fitzgerald. And that's Adrian Peterson. Last year,
Speaker 1: if you had told me that the consensus by mid
Speaker 1: February would be the Adrian Peterson is back with the Vikings,
Speaker 1: I would have been stunned. But today Rick Spielman, their
Speaker 1: general manager, essentially said he expects Adrian Peterson to be
Speaker 1: on the roster. And every day we get another story
Speaker 1: about Adrian Peterson. We're gonna welcome him back, and this
Speaker 1: this almost seemed like the final one. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit like the Lions in and UH and Dominican sue
Speaker 1: because it's only the team talking, not the player. And
Speaker 1: if you listen to NFL media insider Ian Rappaport today
Speaker 1: on our air, we have to say NFL media in
Speaker 1: its every time. I've always wanted to ask him whether
Speaker 1: he thinks that will be on his tombstone. But that's
Speaker 1: he That's was like a dark Joe, little morbid. NFL
Speaker 1: media insider Ian rappit for you nine or whatever you
Speaker 1: gotta say. All it was like a tribe call quests.
Speaker 1: It just flows. So Ian was saying that Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: sources close to him don't feel as strongly about the
Speaker 1: Vikings as they do about him, and he might really
Speaker 1: hold it against them for not standing behind him last year,
Speaker 1: and he definitely doesn't want to take a pay cut. Well,
Speaker 1: what's he gonna do. I mean, you could go to
Speaker 1: a lot of different places he could go to, but
Speaker 1: he has a contract and he's getting paid like the
Speaker 1: number one running back in the league by far, and
Speaker 1: I think the way that Spielman's talking and everything, it's
Speaker 1: like they sound like they're thinking about just paying him
Speaker 1: that money. Well, in that case, then there's nothing Adrian
Speaker 1: Peterson can do. But if they come to him and
Speaker 1: say we think you should take a pay cut, he's
Speaker 1: gonna balk at that. Okay, But do you really blame
Speaker 1: the Vikings for not getting behind Adrian Peterson during the
Speaker 1: season with everything that was happening with him and everything
Speaker 1: that was happening in the NFL. Do you really think
Speaker 1: I do, But I can't say much without shadow he
Speaker 1: leave figures not. Yeah, this is all right. This is
Speaker 1: my first time here, so I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: a tricky This is a tricky, tricky subject. I do
Speaker 1: blame them, Yes, you blame the Viking. I would understand
Speaker 1: from Peterson. I think what the Vikings did was totally
Speaker 1: understandable with pressure coming from the league, potentially coming from sponsors.
Speaker 1: We know for sure how they handled it. It really
Speaker 1: wasn't a Vikings decisions to saying of cowtowing to sponsors. No,
Speaker 1: I hear you, but I I don't have a huge
Speaker 1: problem with them. But I can also see from Peterson's
Speaker 1: perspective why he would feel that way. But the way
Speaker 1: Spielman was talking, that's why I'm so surprised. It sounds
Speaker 1: to me like they're ready to just have him on
Speaker 1: the roster. Well, I mean for that salary, no, no
Speaker 1: pay cut, no nothing. They there are ways they can
Speaker 1: clear up a lot more money. They have quite a
Speaker 1: bit of room anyway they can cut. Greg Jennings and
Speaker 1: North Turner said today one of the eye opening quotes
Speaker 1: that Charles Johnson, a Mark Sessler favorite is far and
Speaker 1: away our best wide receiver. That doesn't bode well for
Speaker 1: Greg Jennings. They can cut Chack Green, who was was
Speaker 1: a probable or a few years ago, but isn't that
Speaker 1: that level isn't close to that level anymore. I think
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think they can keep Peterson
Speaker 1: without even adjusting the salary. What I'm wondering is where
Speaker 1: he'll land if he doesn't end up in the Minnesota
Speaker 1: with the Vikings, because people will pay him. People will
Speaker 1: definitely pay him. People need a running back on people
Speaker 1: like maybe the Cowboys, maybe the Chargers. There's a lot
Speaker 1: the Colts would be would be the Cowboys of the
Speaker 1: team everyone talks about because he has come out and
Speaker 1: said he's basically from Dallas and he said, I want
Speaker 1: to finish my career there, and he and Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: have each other's phone numbers and have been in contact.
Speaker 1: So Peterson could be back with the Vikings. And surprisingly,
Speaker 1: Vincent Jackson is going to be back with the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. Chris You wrote the piece that their general
Speaker 1: manager said he's definitely going to be back, right absolutely,
Speaker 1: twelve point two million against the cap. It sounds like
Speaker 1: Jason liked the Buccaneers. GM wants to talk with with
Speaker 1: Vincent Jackson's agent this week and probably restructure in a
Speaker 1: way that we'll have not as many Kapitan implications. What
Speaker 1: I'm excited about is Mike Evans and if they're going
Speaker 1: to have the two of them together, I like that
Speaker 1: would be the game last year and Vincent Jackson wasn't
Speaker 1: only doing much and they talked up my injuries though.
Speaker 1: They talked up Mike Glennon today, which to me felt like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're at the combine, we've got the number one pick.
Speaker 1: You never know what's going to happen. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: up Glennon to make people think that there's a chance
Speaker 1: we're not going to take James right. They want, they
Speaker 1: want to raise Glennon's price tag, but t d they
Speaker 1: called it. They called him a franchise quarterback today. Come on,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't even play him last year. Yeah, that that
Speaker 1: is I mean, do you think that that's them maybe
Speaker 1: wanting to to trade out of the pick, Well, all right,
Speaker 1: I have I'm not happy, but I think they cut
Speaker 1: Josh McCown in part so teams didn't think that they
Speaker 1: had to give up Glennon. They're both of these things,
Speaker 1: as they've done, calling him a franchise quarterback and cutting McCown.
Speaker 1: They haven't painted themselves into a corner. They can tell.
Speaker 1: They can tell teams, look, we don't have to trade Glennon,
Speaker 1: that's fair, but you still are making the decision of
Speaker 1: who you want to be on the roster next season
Speaker 1: most likely, and they ultimately chose Glennon over him account
Speaker 1: I mean, because they are going into it knowing, Hey,
Speaker 1: no matter who we take at number one, we have
Speaker 1: to be ready for Mike Glennon to be a part
Speaker 1: of this team. I don't think they're just gonna keep
Speaker 1: Glennon on the roster over him account for what is
Speaker 1: love Smith's entire Tanguer taught you about quarterbacks that he
Speaker 1: doesn't that he will make the wrong decision at every
Speaker 1: single turn. I guess. So that's that's the table the Bucks.
Speaker 1: By the way, I wanted to hear you guys were
Speaker 1: talking about something before the show, something about your name.
Speaker 1: You know that, So the Bucks, I guess by what
Speaker 1: I was getting at here is Lovey Smith's um ability
Speaker 1: to find a quarterback apparently is along the same lines
Speaker 1: of Colleen's ability to find new friends accurate. Um, but
Speaker 1: we'll see. Here's the thing, like, um, new here, new
Speaker 1: around here. But I have one friend out here. Her
Speaker 1: name is Kristen, So when she's at work, I have
Speaker 1: to find things to kill time. But you're at work
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I see here all the time right
Speaker 1: other times. But I I need to have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a d D. I need to like constantly
Speaker 1: be doing something. And you have a husband that lives
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Totally different story. Yeah, happily married. He lives
Speaker 1: in Philly. I'm here and I have a roommate. So yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: a lot coing on. So I decided one day that
Speaker 1: I was going to go through every NFL roster and
Speaker 1: pick out my favorite names, the funniest, my favorite names,
Speaker 1: and then um pick a winner from each team and
Speaker 1: then decide what the names meant and what their alternate
Speaker 1: occupation would be. That was the that was the fun part,
Speaker 1: the alternate occupation for all night. Were you sober during
Speaker 1: any of this? Completely? Let's have an example or two, okay,
Speaker 1: So Julian Vandervelty from the Eagles pro yodeler Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I like that. Um, then we have Captain Muddling and
Speaker 1: a q Shipley. They both have seafood franchises, rival ones.
Speaker 1: They are right across the street each other, and q
Speaker 1: Shipley kind of came in tried to break it up,
Speaker 1: but not doing so hot. You should see the look
Speaker 1: that our other producers z drizzle right now. It's either
Speaker 1: I don't know what this crazy woman is talking about
Speaker 1: or I'm in love. I'm crazy, all right? Yeah? Some
Speaker 1: other names, um but Kari Rambo, he was best selling
Speaker 1: comic strip icon and he also has an action figure.
Speaker 1: And Mr Alexander. I can't remember what Mr Alexander does,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's something very polite. And how
Speaker 1: didn't even know about this West anyways, I wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that you would want to advertise this. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't have a birthday party this week because all of
Speaker 1: my friends are in Idinneapolis were not all of them.
Speaker 1: So we went to Dan's house for cornhole a few
Speaker 1: other activities and Colleen was there and produced this list
Speaker 1: and we had many chuckles. You brought it with eats,
Speaker 1: a lot of Dorito's. It's on her phone. You still
Speaker 1: have a birthday, you know, we share a birthday that's true.
Speaker 1: That's why we get along tomorrow. So well, really, it's
Speaker 1: true both of your birthdays that happy early birthday. I'm
Speaker 1: your birthdays, tom I'm glad we got this little and
Speaker 1: our birthdays on the Winds birthday. I should know this Sunday.
Speaker 1: This is why we're all. We're all on the same wavelength.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel a little left out here, Drizzle,
Speaker 1: what's your birthday? He was raised by wolves with Colleen.
Speaker 1: I get that. All right, Let's wrap up a few
Speaker 1: more items of news and then we're gonna get the
Speaker 1: guys on the phone quickly. Sam Bradford um has been
Speaker 1: a topic on this podcast that the Rams sound like
Speaker 1: they're definitely being him back. But there was a question
Speaker 1: raised a report from CBS Sports Today that they would
Speaker 1: welcome trade talks and it didn't trade. You know, they
Speaker 1: would let Sam Bradford shop himself if he wanted. A
Speaker 1: really surprising story. And then general manager Less Needs spoke
Speaker 1: today and really didn't put any water on that fire.
Speaker 1: It was a little awkward. He said that, you know,
Speaker 1: he there's no benefit in deleting Sam bread for from
Speaker 1: the roster, but then said, hey, look, if people value him,
Speaker 1: I can certainly see why they would. Basically, my phone
Speaker 1: is open if you want to call about Sam Bradford. Wow.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't really make a complete evaluation
Speaker 1: of Sam Bradford because he just the injuries kill him
Speaker 1: every season. I need to see a little bit more
Speaker 1: before I trush him. You sound like a front office
Speaker 1: worker for the St. Louis Ray. They're all gonna get fired.
Speaker 1: They're all gonna get fired because of it. They just
Speaker 1: keep doing this thing again that that is one of
Speaker 1: the more surprising things to come out of this week.
Speaker 1: It makes me think they are gonna listen and just
Speaker 1: see what's out there, which makes a lot of sense. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they're not only keeping him because there are
Speaker 1: no other options out there. But I think that's a
Speaker 1: big part of general managers don't um failed to squash
Speaker 1: stories like that without a purpose. I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: at the Combine a couple of years ago, I asked
Speaker 1: less Need about Courtland Finnegan whether he was going to
Speaker 1: be on the roster, and I remember he chose not
Speaker 1: to squash it, and it just made it kind of
Speaker 1: clear Steve Smith, Dave Goodleman, Courtland was not going to
Speaker 1: be on the roster, because if he's on the roster,
Speaker 1: it's a guy one of your best players, you just
Speaker 1: say it. And it's if it's your quarterback and he's
Speaker 1: not on the trade market, you just say it. Just
Speaker 1: admitted this is your favorite. Part of the combine is
Speaker 1: getting these gms and coaches to kind of twist in
Speaker 1: the wind on what they're planning. Did notice how annoyed
Speaker 1: I was with all the questions during the combine. That's
Speaker 1: what he was critiquing. Everyone was asking for. Everyone in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is just asking like Philadelphia questions, But doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what coaches that I enjoyed. Everyone's saying like questions about
Speaker 1: how come there aren't more special teams, coaches as heads,
Speaker 1: coaches like wait, how many times do you hear three
Speaker 1: four or four three? How many times do you think
Speaker 1: today that was? That was a lot. But back to
Speaker 1: the Rams, I think that they just really realized how
Speaker 1: bad the quarterback options are right now and that there's
Speaker 1: really nobody in free agency. It's such a such a
Speaker 1: thin draft that maybe they can't get something for him,
Speaker 1: so they're going to dangle them outre and see what
Speaker 1: they can get. And there were those reports that some
Speaker 1: teams would rather have Bradford than Jamis Winston or Mariota.
Speaker 1: Who knows. Maybe those reports are coming from the rams,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're trying to create some sort of market.
Speaker 1: That's usually how these things work, or Sam Bradford's agent
Speaker 1: is trying to create some sort of market. Well, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people in the NFL think, like
Speaker 1: Colleen does, that Sam Bradford has that sounds it's actually
Speaker 1: an insult. It's not know that Sam Bradford hasn't really
Speaker 1: gotten an opportunity to say whether he's the answer or
Speaker 1: not the answer definitive, definitively, and he does have an
Speaker 1: arm that scouts drool over. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: was actually excited last year to see Sam Bradford and
Speaker 1: to see what he would be able to do on
Speaker 1: a good team and with a good defense. Excited for that.
Speaker 1: That sounds like the kind of person who sits around
Speaker 1: making up lists of games that I love the NFL,
Speaker 1: And Sam Bradford still does not give me. It doesn't
Speaker 1: move the needle. All right, Another guy with a big
Speaker 1: arm will wrap up the news. This part of the
Speaker 1: news with Zach Mettenberger the Titans. You watched Tennessee handle
Speaker 1: some questions on him. Chris today, what were your thoughts.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to me because a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: the Tennessee and came out with an article that didn't
Speaker 1: say the definitively either way, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: read that and said, oh, the Titans are committed to Mettenberger.
Speaker 1: And I read the same article and and got that, no,
Speaker 1: we are basically going to keep tabs on Marioda and
Speaker 1: Winston and we'll make a decision later. And their GM
Speaker 1: said today, look, we're not committed to Zach Mettenberger, which
Speaker 1: is no shock to me because I know that Greg
Speaker 1: Costell and Mike Mayock love this guy, and I that
Speaker 1: it makes me scratch my head. I saw nothing great
Speaker 1: out of him for the Titans. I mean, he wasn't terrible.
Speaker 1: He now I disagree. I think he was better. I
Speaker 1: think he was at least average for a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: He couldn't move the offense, which was a problem. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I was more surprised that
Speaker 1: they just came out point blank and said that they
Speaker 1: could not commit to him being a starter going forward.
Speaker 1: That was something that I wasn't expecting that to me
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: sixth r undraft pick that showed some flashes. It would
Speaker 1: seem bizarre to me that they if they had their
Speaker 1: options closed that quarterback because of Zach Mettenberger. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it would seem totally insane. No, I know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to blow a number two pick. That's different
Speaker 1: than the conversation of is Winston or Mariota Worth takes?
Speaker 1: They need so many things, though, if you're committed to
Speaker 1: Zach Mettenberger, you're watching a different quarterback than I am.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't see it. Well, let's
Speaker 1: see what quarterback Mark Sessler is watching, because he's at
Speaker 1: the combine in Indianapolis, and he's on the phone right now,
Speaker 1: and he's got all sorts of hot takes on the
Speaker 1: Titan Usually. Oh listen, I mean, there is no end
Speaker 1: to the Titan toppics. Mark, How happy are you to
Speaker 1: extend your work day here um with a phone call
Speaker 1: to the Around the NFL podcast? This is a dream.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my hotel window. I'm seeing multiple journalists
Speaker 1: impact towards uh bars, warm bars with food and drink
Speaker 1: that I'm up here talking to you guys, So it
Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than this. I had to I
Speaker 1: have to admit when I we kind of decided, oh,
Speaker 1: let's let's try to do this podcast at the last minute,
Speaker 1: one of the little things in my head saying that
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a good idea was just imagining Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler's reaction when he found out the news in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: grumbling about the boss back in Culver City. I can
Speaker 1: I can hear your enthusiasm. Mark, It's great listen that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's totally accurate, guys, but we initially
Speaker 1: I thought if it could be the four of us,
Speaker 1: like in a room passing a cell phone around forty
Speaker 1: five minutes. This is a much cleaner attempt at this.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we're taking in this to my
Speaker 1: second no instormations money level. So that's what we're looking
Speaker 1: for in general. By the way, on Friday, Mark, you,
Speaker 1: Dan Connor, and Patra what the guys I like to
Speaker 1: call the four Horsemen. You guys will have a nice
Speaker 1: little set up in Indianapolis on a desk and everything,
Speaker 1: and you'll really kick it around. But for now, let's
Speaker 1: just hit on what you thought were the biggest takeaways
Speaker 1: from the press conferences you focused on, And let's start
Speaker 1: with the Browns because that was something else today with
Speaker 1: Mike Petton, just him taking a lot of tough questions
Speaker 1: in the middle of February, he did I talked behind
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan. That was one of the more uh one
Speaker 1: of the press conference has gotten more people packed in
Speaker 1: and the words Samonic. You know, he's sort of he's
Speaker 1: got his thing where he's not afraid kind of speak
Speaker 1: its mind. He kind of threw the crowds for a
Speaker 1: loop a little bit when they asked him about you know,
Speaker 1: your GM and this whole texting thing with rape Farmer.
Speaker 1: You think he's going to give you a PC answer,
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, I was annoyed by it, and he
Speaker 1: basically said that he couldn't even disclose how irritated he
Speaker 1: was the Farmer when it actually went down, So you
Speaker 1: know it was. We went out in the Hollywood him
Speaker 1: later and he basically his whole thing is they they're
Speaker 1: a team that is, you know, willing to acknowledge their
Speaker 1: starting over at quarterback. That Manzel's situation. He went and
Speaker 1: visited with Menzel. They support him, like there that's obviously
Speaker 1: what they're gonna say, but they have to go find
Speaker 1: someone else because you know, according to Petton and him
Speaker 1: as a complete wild card at this point, which they
Speaker 1: should Mark. I have to ask you about the Browns
Speaker 1: and Mike Petton today because after he went through everything
Speaker 1: that was falling from the sky on to Cleveland, he
Speaker 1: was asked what positive he can sort of find and
Speaker 1: go forward with, and he had a little trouble finding
Speaker 1: a positive, but he said, changes to the offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's been probably with trying a month,
Speaker 1: as you could imagine for a guy that had a
Speaker 1: team that was seven and four, you lose your final five,
Speaker 1: and everything that's happened since the season ended has been
Speaker 1: somewhat of a night air. And you know, one thing
Speaker 1: that he said that kind of I thought was encouraging
Speaker 1: if you're a Cleveland fan, is there's a perception of
Speaker 1: this team on the outside. But he himself did not
Speaker 1: buy into it. That they went on a retreat together,
Speaker 1: which is maybe something that our podcast to do. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you guys need to do this. You tried to get
Speaker 1: one last year going. You guys went up to Big Bear.
Speaker 1: I did not join you. I wouldn't refer to that
Speaker 1: as a retreat, though, I'm not sure it was healthy. No, well,
Speaker 1: very little when when let's be honest, very little is
Speaker 1: healthy when Wesley and Sessler get together. Listen, that's that's fair,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just leave it right there. That's a
Speaker 1: fair accusation the bosses made right there. Mark Sessler, by
Speaker 1: the way, were you Colleen noticed something during the John
Speaker 1: Harbaugh presser. She thought, Mark, were you asking um about
Speaker 1: what he was giving up for lent? Did you? Did
Speaker 1: you ask him about your atually typing takeaway? It's like
Speaker 1: ten feet away, But I didn't hear that said that? Why?
Speaker 1: And she thought you jumped in and asked whether that
Speaker 1: included breaded breaded chicken. And I was like that, that
Speaker 1: sounds like a funny story, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: was Mark. Actually, no, that was that was a follow
Speaker 1: up guy in the crowd because Hard at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, he was feeling it out. He was the
Speaker 1: reporters and those guys were throwing softballs back at him
Speaker 1: and he was just hit him out of the park.
Speaker 1: So well, Mark, I'm I'm sorry you couldn't be here
Speaker 1: on this special Colleen Wolf episode of the podcast. She
Speaker 1: is your spirit animal though, because she immediately asked when
Speaker 1: she got in here, where is the cough button? And
Speaker 1: as the only person that ever uses the cough button,
Speaker 1: you know, I just thought you guys. You guys are
Speaker 1: kind of on the same wave length. Well, I've been
Speaker 1: hacking up a long all day everything number one and
Speaker 1: you're like l A. You guys could be on like
Speaker 1: l A local news where you on TV. It was
Speaker 1: wall to wall coverage. There was a moment where we
Speaker 1: were just waiting for Jason Garrett to show up, Like
Speaker 1: I've seen twenty minutes of just spitballing about the cowboys
Speaker 1: that I did started to identify with what must happen
Speaker 1: during the car chases in l A when they're just
Speaker 1: kind of making up things like a car crash. I
Speaker 1: want to see this. I have not watched a minute
Speaker 1: of it, but I'm gonna you know, I'm not the
Speaker 1: entire thing in my house, and I'm gonna watch the
Speaker 1: entire seven hour episodes like at Home. Alright, it's already
Speaker 1: been destroyed. We we release you into the Indianapolis night. Marco,
Speaker 1: have have fun tonight, and uh, I'll talk to you
Speaker 1: and you'll be on the podcast on Friday. I look
Speaker 1: forward to Wait, am I getting out of this? Have
Speaker 1: I said anything informative? Yeah, we just talked about the Browns.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have any big time football newsy
Speaker 1: things you want to give me right now, I mean
Speaker 1: we're always ready for that. No, I'm working like I'm
Speaker 1: working on some sources tonight. Let's talk in the morning. Okay,
Speaker 1: sounds good. Alright. Uh, we're gonna keep the rolodex going here,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring in really one of the leaders
Speaker 1: of the around the NFL group, I would say, Kevin
Speaker 1: Patra Manature. Well, I would say, you know, there's only
Speaker 1: six of us, so we're all leaders to some degree.
Speaker 1: Before we get to that, though, we haven't done this
Speaker 1: in a while. Had Mark on and I think it's
Speaker 1: a good sound to bring this back, So here he goes.
Speaker 1: They took his team vicious sleep below average. He stole
Speaker 1: his innocence childlike, but not to suggest innocence or purity.
Speaker 1: They made a football life about his misery control, all
Speaker 1: to lead a moment of factory up sadness that never closed.
Speaker 1: Now the client is right for revenge. This winter, there's
Speaker 1: a hurricane coming for anyone who looks in his direction
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, It'll be an apocalyptic sunset. Lark Sister,
Speaker 1: quiet Store. This show cannot end fast enough. And I
Speaker 1: have a sharply worded letter to nd friend that is
Speaker 1: the best thing. That is really everyone's finest moment. Dan
Speaker 1: with an amazing job voice in a TV producing And
Speaker 1: of course the Quiet Storm, which, let's be honest, right now,
Speaker 1: the winter has arrived there in Indianapolis. There's a quiet
Speaker 1: storm going around Indianapolis tonight, in the next few nights. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think they're prepared for what
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler has to bring in that city. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's very quiet. No, it's quiet. It's a
Speaker 1: simmer It's silly, but it's quiet. It's simmering. Alright. Well,
Speaker 1: one man who can really tell us about all the
Speaker 1: activities that Mark is up to this week? Is is
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick coming? Atra? It's good to have you on
Speaker 1: the phone. What's going on? Kevin? Hey Fellas, what's up? Mante?
Speaker 1: Do you even know Colleen Wolf? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: you know we're on Twitter, but have you ever met
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf? She's on the podcast Never I have never
Speaker 1: once met Colleen Wolf in person Alright, well, this is
Speaker 1: your introduction. It's Chris, it's Colleen and and myself talking
Speaker 1: to you right now. What's up, pleasure, what's going on? Well,
Speaker 1: you tell us you had some of the good assignments
Speaker 1: today in terms of press conferences. Let's start with Gary Kubiak.
Speaker 1: First of all, you took him number one in the
Speaker 1: press conference draft last night. Uh, the guys were dividing
Speaker 1: up who gets which press conference. I love this game.
Speaker 1: This sounds great. Right, Patrick had the one pick and
Speaker 1: he took Kubiak. That's a little surprising, but there was
Speaker 1: a lot of news there there. Well let's put it.
Speaker 1: Let me first explain my pick. First of all, I
Speaker 1: decided to break up my draft in quadrants. I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted Martin made you later in the day, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to pick someone in the early quadrant so
Speaker 1: that I could space out when I when my pressers
Speaker 1: were taking place, so I could be done riding before
Speaker 1: I got to the next one. So I did not
Speaker 1: want the first two presses of the day because those
Speaker 1: were in the first fifteen minutes. You know, if we
Speaker 1: running a little late, you never know. So I figured
Speaker 1: ten thirty, Gary Kubiak, were you're supposed to show up,
Speaker 1: they're really ready to go around nine or something. Well,
Speaker 1: we were, but you never know. You just don't know.
Speaker 1: You got to plan ahead. Okay, Well, did Kubiak live
Speaker 1: up to the billing? Did Easy say anything? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: as far as he's concerned, everyone's healthy as they as
Speaker 1: a horse, and everything's great to go. He did say
Speaker 1: that he talked to Ayton and he said he thinks
Speaker 1: Payton's doing well and getting health. He did confirm that
Speaker 1: Peyton has seen two different doctors or he didn't stisfy
Speaker 1: exactly who he saw in UM New Orleans, and then
Speaker 1: he suggested one might be in Florida, somewhere in Miami. UM,
Speaker 1: but he he sounded optimistic. He was asked about him
Speaker 1: Peyton in the offense, he said, there's no doubt I
Speaker 1: want Peyton to be the quarterback um of this of
Speaker 1: his teams. So everything from that angle sounded like it
Speaker 1: was a match main in heaven. And then he went
Speaker 1: on to talk about Wes Welker and then back to Peyton, maning,
Speaker 1: did he satisfy any questions you have, Kevin Patrick that
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning will be under center in Week one for
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Yes, I think so. His confidence, I mean
Speaker 1: his confidence coupled with everything we've heard about about Manning
Speaker 1: last week or so. I mean, I don't see how
Speaker 1: any way around it. And still dubious of this entire thing.
Speaker 1: I heard him on our air today. I am too.
Speaker 1: May the point this was an interesting point that when
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was a free agent in two thousand twelve,
Speaker 1: one of the people with the Texans who did not
Speaker 1: want Peyton Manning was Gary Kubiak, who prefer Matt So
Speaker 1: who will their starting quarterback be? Then, well, you're not
Speaker 1: going with Patris convinced that it's Manning. I think it
Speaker 1: will be too. Greg's dubious rap sheet is dubious. I
Speaker 1: think that it would be the craziest thing ever. But
Speaker 1: what if Jake Cutler is the starting quarterback of the
Speaker 1: Brons in Chicago? I I know. If the thing is
Speaker 1: though every day that they keep piling up these quotes,
Speaker 1: it just it does make it seem like, Wow, if
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning really does leave and they don't want him,
Speaker 1: like what a ridiculous sideshow? This has all been go ahead.
Speaker 1: One comment that I was gonna make when I saw
Speaker 1: your tweet West about what raps you reported his no
Speaker 1: doubt I want him comment almost made more sense in
Speaker 1: the context of that, like trying to almost before that,
Speaker 1: you know, deny that he didn't want him before and
Speaker 1: now he definitely does. That's that's the context I took
Speaker 1: it in, so you see it. Maybe they're trying to
Speaker 1: sell Manning a little. I still think if they try
Speaker 1: to ask him to take a paycut, he's gone, and
Speaker 1: and no one's really explained to me why they can't
Speaker 1: just say right now, it's over with, he's the quarterback,
Speaker 1: Like okay, they keep saying these things that make it
Speaker 1: sound like he's the quarterback, but not for sure. Let's
Speaker 1: let's move on though, to talk about your team, the Lions, quickly.
Speaker 1: Any takeaways on Martin Mayhew's conversation about in Dominican Sue.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing we've been hearing regurgitated
Speaker 1: in different forms for the past months. Actually, he said
Speaker 1: almost something similar a year ago that he's very optimistic
Speaker 1: that he would get it done. Is what his words today. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll believe it when I see it. I definitely don't
Speaker 1: think they are going to get it done before free
Speaker 1: agency starts. He left the door open for the tag.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a ludicrous and b I think
Speaker 1: he's think through his teeth there. I don't see that
Speaker 1: happening before March. Second. I'm as just as skeptical as
Speaker 1: Patrick is, and I think it's interesting that Sue's camp
Speaker 1: hasn't said anything this whole time, and everything the Lions
Speaker 1: say is ridiculously optimistic. Maybe you're right. Maybe I've been
Speaker 1: following for it the last month because I kind of
Speaker 1: left the season figuring out Sue's gone, and then everything
Speaker 1: coming out of Detroit, including the team's website, which always
Speaker 1: makes me I think there's something to it, has been
Speaker 1: really optimistic that he would be back. Do we really
Speaker 1: believe in the seven million dollar franchise tag. I can't
Speaker 1: see them doing that, and Sue has all the leverage here.
Speaker 1: The thing that I would say with the franchise tack,
Speaker 1: I almost think the reason we haven't heard from Sueze
Speaker 1: camp is they're daring in the tag because I'll pay
Speaker 1: for play for twenty seven million. We'll come right back
Speaker 1: here next year. We'll do the same dance you would
Speaker 1: play for a lot less than that, Kevin Patrick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm speaking as Sue. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm showing your head shot right now to college. And
Speaker 1: the last the last sentence in your in your profile.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, Kevin, it says
Speaker 1: it says he is more handsome than he appears. Kevin,
Speaker 1: did you write that? I did not? As an anti
Speaker 1: fenel and special? Do you do you think do you
Speaker 1: think he's more handsome than the stays? Curious? You know?
Speaker 1: Do you think Dan's a big fan? All right? Kevin? Uh,
Speaker 1: you guys will do your show on Friday, so look
Speaker 1: forward to hearing what you say then. Until then, huh,
Speaker 1: have some fun at your first Combine experience. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And handsome. We're trying to bring people together here. Colleen
Speaker 1: needs friends. Patra, you know, he lives in Chicago, So
Speaker 1: I guess that that doesn't work, doesn't really work for
Speaker 1: Lady Westling. Yeah, that's true, Lady west Maybe Colleen, you
Speaker 1: know we can help my department. We we did kind
Speaker 1: of do a shout out to everyone's gonna kill me
Speaker 1: because I'm constantly like, wow, my roommates single. Well, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: I like that I like that kind of party. All right,
Speaker 1: let's call up Connor or the third Horseman here on
Speaker 1: the phone today. Connor Or, how's it going. What's happening?
Speaker 1: No ghosts in the background today, You're you're out of
Speaker 1: the haunted mansion. I know, man, the Western is is
Speaker 1: great and it's not haunted. It's fantastic. How is Indianapolis
Speaker 1: right now? By the way, I gotta admit I am
Speaker 1: kind of happy not to relive what are what our
Speaker 1: friend Henry Hodgson uh calls Groundhog Day, which is the
Speaker 1: carbine every year. It just feels like the exact same
Speaker 1: thing every year. I'm kind of kind of like being
Speaker 1: in l A this year. Yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: negative seven with the wind chill um. Yeah, I'm handling
Speaker 1: it a lot better than your than your soft California
Speaker 1: from me, but I feel like, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: it's great, man. I mean, this is I think like
Speaker 1: the tenth time I've come here, not like combining other
Speaker 1: games included. So I'm like, oh, I have the city
Speaker 1: all laid out, like I know where, like where like
Speaker 1: could go, you know, do all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I always like it here. You are a guy
Speaker 1: that over prepares, which I like, you know, as opposed
Speaker 1: to Wesley just playing with his pen. All right, Carter,
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your your John Fox
Speaker 1: press conference thoughts. You were covering the Bears today, and
Speaker 1: they didn't exactly give a lot of warm and fuzzies
Speaker 1: about Jay Cutler. No, I mean he had the chance
Speaker 1: and Ryan Pace that they both had the chance to
Speaker 1: say that Jake Cutler was going to be their starter
Speaker 1: heading into the season. You know, Jake Gruden did the
Speaker 1: same thing with r G three today, but you know,
Speaker 1: Fox and Paste took a different route. I mean they
Speaker 1: said that everything is still under evaluation. And you know,
Speaker 1: at first, Fox didn't even want to admit that he
Speaker 1: had to ship down with Cutler, which I thought was weird. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the different vibe. He really had to be
Speaker 1: pressed on it to to admit. He's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I meet with a lot of players. And then he
Speaker 1: finally had to admit that he met with Cutler. So
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's a warm and of the situation
Speaker 1: going on right now. I thought. The other thing I
Speaker 1: noticed was their take on Brandon Marshall with his Showtime
Speaker 1: show and sort of people were asking whether or not
Speaker 1: they were questioning where his focus was, and they didn't
Speaker 1: really brush anything aside about it. They said that there's
Speaker 1: kind of still evaluating things, but that they weren't really
Speaker 1: high on them. Yeah, I mean John kind of gave
Speaker 1: some sort of generality about how he wants everybody's heart
Speaker 1: to be in it, or he wants them when everybody's
Speaker 1: had to be in it. But you can tell, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's basically his way of saying that, yeah, this
Speaker 1: stuff's gotta stop if you're going to be making that
Speaker 1: much money and you're gonna be playing for this team,
Speaker 1: because it ticks off the rest of the guys that
Speaker 1: you're going to be, you know, be able to fly
Speaker 1: out of here every Tuesday when everybody else is coming in,
Speaker 1: still coming in lifting watching film on their own time.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you should be doing. And you
Speaker 1: know he's, uh, I think he's making that clear to
Speaker 1: Marshall right now. Greg's biggest takeaway was the RG three News.
Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway was Jay Cutler and the contrast between
Speaker 1: how John Fox talked about Josh mc down he's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy you want on your football team and
Speaker 1: the fact that after a month of looking at film
Speaker 1: and after meeting Jake Cutler, he and Pace bothfully said,
Speaker 1: we have three more weeks to make up our mind
Speaker 1: and what we're gonna do here. They keep saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta watch more film. I mean, that's what they've
Speaker 1: been doing. So I hate when they they're always like, well,
Speaker 1: we haven't finished our value. They they've been evaluating Jay
Speaker 1: Cutlery also said there's no doubt about his physical talent whatsoever.
Speaker 1: We have to get to know Jay Cutler the person,
Speaker 1: which is no surprise that you want to get to
Speaker 1: know Jay Cutler the purpose. It's weird because Jake Cutler,
Speaker 1: unlike RG three, is owed a ton of guaranteed money
Speaker 1: over the next two years. This is a guy that's
Speaker 1: getting paid thirty one point five million dollars by the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears unless they find a trade partner for him.
Speaker 1: So I don't know when they talk about the middle
Speaker 1: of March, we got to make a decision by then
Speaker 1: exactly what they're talking about. I guess they're talking about
Speaker 1: whether they want to put him on the trade market
Speaker 1: or not, because you're talking about, oh, we haven't decided
Speaker 1: about him. What the contract says you have decided. They
Speaker 1: didn't give out that contract. But that's a ton of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money to a guy. They don't really have many options.
Speaker 1: It's like when you're a kid and you're sick and
Speaker 1: your parents are forcing you to take this medicine. You
Speaker 1: don't want to take it. The Bears are forced to
Speaker 1: take their Jay Cutler medicine, but they're just like they
Speaker 1: got their arms folded, they're stamping their feet. They don't
Speaker 1: want to take this Jay Cutler medicine right now. And
Speaker 1: how frustrated must they be considering that they do see
Speaker 1: the talent, they said it today, But the other thing
Speaker 1: that they see is Jay Cutler sitting on the sideline,
Speaker 1: slumped over, not looking at playbooks, not talking to players
Speaker 1: or coaches. He just looks so disinterested, like he's completely
Speaker 1: somewhere else during the games. Well, I think they're running
Speaker 1: the risk of losing him completely. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: because they see, they saw how disinterested he was in
Speaker 1: a system that was you know, coaches that were hired
Speaker 1: to make him better, you know, And and now these
Speaker 1: these new guys are coming in and kind of just
Speaker 1: you know, turning their backs on him a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I got to believe that if they do need
Speaker 1: to lean on j for any significant time this year,
Speaker 1: that he's probably gonna be pretty disinterested in and helping
Speaker 1: them out. Like I just think I don't blame them.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad strategy, but I think
Speaker 1: it's an interesting strategy. I mean, you look at the
Speaker 1: history with this guy. If you don't come in and
Speaker 1: embrace him, he's checking out. Look what he did with Daniel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's gotten a lot of guys fired that have
Speaker 1: tried to help him, and so maybe they're looking at
Speaker 1: it like we don't want to be those next guys
Speaker 1: that get fired because of them, And they're already thinking
Speaker 1: he's football pois, how do we get out of this?
Speaker 1: Do you do you think Connor Jay Cutler is going
Speaker 1: to be a member of the Bears this season? That's
Speaker 1: an interesting question. The only thing that makes me think
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't um Like, I was listening to what
Speaker 1: Lesson he was saying today about quarterbacks and he said something.
Speaker 1: He made a joke about how you know, somebody said
Speaker 1: there aren't that many stones to overturn out there, and
Speaker 1: he said, there are, But when you when you turn
Speaker 1: over the stones, there's nothing to see, and like, I think,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I mean, there's just no talent
Speaker 1: out there, And I think that another team might really
Speaker 1: be desperate enough to do this, you know, and uh
Speaker 1: and bring him in for for for a spark, just
Speaker 1: because the market is is what it is, right, I
Speaker 1: think the Bears would just listening to them and accounts
Speaker 1: the type of guy you want. I think they would
Speaker 1: certainly give up Cutler for nothing, just for the right
Speaker 1: to give to get rid of him like a seventh
Speaker 1: round pick just hear you take the salary kind of
Speaker 1: like an NBA thing. Uh it is now, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of coming out of this combine with a little bit
Speaker 1: of theme here that there are three veteran, big time
Speaker 1: paid quarterbacks that are likely to stay with their teams.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm leaving the middle of February not totally
Speaker 1: sure that's Sam Bradford, Jake Cutler, and Peyton Manning that
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there'll be some moving parts the
Speaker 1: next few weeks and make our lives a lot more fun.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see. I would love to see Sam
Speaker 1: Bradford in a different place. Yeah, maybe trade him to
Speaker 1: Chicago for Jake Cutler. There. I just solved it all. Uh, Carner,
Speaker 1: we gotta get to Dan Kansas, so you guys can
Speaker 1: get out on the town and we can get out
Speaker 1: of here. Uh, we'll hear from on Friday. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 1: for all you do. Thank you guys. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you that all right, and uh we wrap up the
Speaker 1: show here. You gotta go with the best, the biggest
Speaker 1: guest possible clean up. Peter finished the show and that's
Speaker 1: the host. We miss him here, Dan Hands. But you
Speaker 1: know we're trying to do our best without you, and
Speaker 1: we recruited some major talent here to join. Chris Wesley,
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf is on with you. Dan Hands is what's
Speaker 1: going on? Hey, what is happening? He's got the intro song,
Speaker 1: He's got it all that. I like that. That is
Speaker 1: because they you know, usually am you know, sending people up.
Speaker 1: That will be my catch phrase when people's you know, na,
Speaker 1: hey what is happening? Well, we need a nickname for you.
Speaker 1: But you know we got get your Dan Hands. This,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought we were going with the old zeuser.
Speaker 1: What did Cessler say? Um D sixpence? Yeah, that's another option. Actually,
Speaker 1: Lindsay Rhodes said that next time she comes on the podcast,
Speaker 1: she will have a nickname ready for me. So that's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Linz. As I like to
Speaker 1: call it. Your Colleen is uh there, I'm a big
Speaker 1: Colleen both fan. The feeling is mutual, Dan, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is very exciting. Well, Dan, I know you guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost time to get out there, get some food,
Speaker 1: get some drinks, whatever you're gonna do, get back to
Speaker 1: work tomorrow. It's so long. It's a long time there
Speaker 1: in Indian Alix's. If it's your first scouting Combine experience,
Speaker 1: let's start with that. Actually, why what do you make
Speaker 1: of the whole sort of set up there and and
Speaker 1: what the whole event is? Like, I guess, like everything
Speaker 1: else in life, it's do you always imagine things to
Speaker 1: be bigger? Uh? When you pictured, like when you guys
Speaker 1: were going and I was manning the shop in Culver City,
Speaker 1: I imagined you guys being in this vast ballroom where
Speaker 1: there were different setups all over the place, multiple coaches talking.
Speaker 1: But instead, you know, one set up where all the
Speaker 1: major NFL figures are talking from and I'm sentually sitting
Speaker 1: right next to the riser, so I could I could
Speaker 1: really do my job from sitting there, but I like to,
Speaker 1: you know, I like to get in the mix there
Speaker 1: and ask questions. So that's been fun being involved in
Speaker 1: the FRENDS conferences. Yeah, that's not what the footage showed.
Speaker 1: Every picture we saw coming out of the combine today
Speaker 1: was Mark Sessler, double fisted with a phone and a recorder,
Speaker 1: back in his chair with his arms behind his hand.
Speaker 1: Starting to be a little sucificious though with Mark and
Speaker 1: the some of the some of the pop string was like,
Speaker 1: wait are you saying this is staged? You know, Mark's
Speaker 1: obviously very hard working. You should know that Mark has subtly,
Speaker 1: subtly pulled the power play here and is really taking
Speaker 1: to this number two in charge move. Wow, this is news.
Speaker 1: Actually he actually threatened a threatened the group last night
Speaker 1: for everyone to be on time. And I don't know
Speaker 1: it's justice, just as I missed a couple of shows
Speaker 1: in a row and Greg is all of a sudden
Speaker 1: hosting multiple podcasts, Well what else are we gonna do
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like a big chain reaction of
Speaker 1: power play. So, Dan, you were underwhelmed so far, with
Speaker 1: the combine and you're not happy at all. This is
Speaker 1: an ugly under belly that I don't know if the
Speaker 1: listeners need to hear about Mark Dan I I love
Speaker 1: They're like the two you know, they're the two amigas
Speaker 1: freaking fres something. All right, let's I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think you. I love Mark to death. But I
Speaker 1: see I saw that shot that uh, some some journal
Speaker 1: took that's happened at markt me right in the forefront,
Speaker 1: and it didn't seem a little bit a little bit
Speaker 1: like Mark was, you know, putting it on a little
Speaker 1: bit multiple electronic problems, you know, products pointing at the
Speaker 1: at the NFL. Figure come, I can't the whole number
Speaker 1: two thing and the threat is us. This is interesting,
Speaker 1: But I am just to make the clear calling I am.
Speaker 1: I am really enjoying that the combine so far. I
Speaker 1: do like Indianapolis. It's too cold here, but it was
Speaker 1: it was fun. I'm looking forward to it against the bomb. Well,
Speaker 1: let's wrap wrap things up with a little talk about
Speaker 1: your jets and just seeing the differences in this Jets regime.
Speaker 1: And they went back to back today, Todd Bowls and
Speaker 1: Mike mccagnen um, who does look a lot like Murray
Speaker 1: from Flight of the Concords still does and uh and
Speaker 1: then you also saw a little bit of Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: in his bills, you know, outfit here. What what do
Speaker 1: you make of that whole bit today? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: Rex is funny by the way, I hdo shows. If
Speaker 1: you say Flight of the Conflorens from mca uh bowls
Speaker 1: kind of looks like Funny from the Wild funny cold yeah, yeah, younger, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little younger and ship Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I like that. But money who doesn't like Bunny? We
Speaker 1: had our first I don't know if this came over
Speaker 1: with any other calls, but last night at UM a
Speaker 1: local brewery brewery, we had our first draft of the
Speaker 1: combine um you know, participants, where we each tip turns
Speaker 1: making picks about who we wanted to essentially cover today.
Speaker 1: And I made sure, even though I had a trade
Speaker 1: up to make it happen, I made sure to get
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan because I was you know, I'm always looking
Speaker 1: forward to getting close up to Recks. And he didn't disappoint.
Speaker 1: He started off with a rambling anecdote about the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bison's minor league team, and you know it was I
Speaker 1: I wrote about it on the site that it was
Speaker 1: kind of like a stand up comedian who's testing out
Speaker 1: new material and you know it might not work, but
Speaker 1: he's just kind of ripping shooting from the hip and
Speaker 1: seeing that it didn't work. No, it didn't work. It
Speaker 1: was very it was very odd, but still it was
Speaker 1: charming him his own Rex way. So he did his
Speaker 1: thing and then a couple of hours it or you
Speaker 1: get the new brain trust, the new Jets brain trust,
Speaker 1: which is kind of it's fascinating because I you know,
Speaker 1: I was talking to several of the Jets beat writers,
Speaker 1: um rich Smini of ESPN, who who has been covering
Speaker 1: the Jets for twenty years, Dom Constantino, who you spread
Speaker 1: for dead Spin but now covers the Jets and j
Speaker 1: dot com, and they, you know, they they said the
Speaker 1: same thing that I've picked up on, which is like,
Speaker 1: this is a different show. Now, it's a different world.
Speaker 1: Both Bowls and the Cagnet really are tight lipped. They
Speaker 1: don't they don't say anything they don't have to say. Um,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem to me like it was too much
Speaker 1: to the point where it was like one of those
Speaker 1: situations where a team starts to just get paranoid. It
Speaker 1: just seemed more like these guys aren't interested in making headlines.
Speaker 1: And while it's it's gonna make for more boring copy
Speaker 1: and less headlines, it's not necessarily a bad thing. I
Speaker 1: think that Jet kind of needed this blowdown past a
Speaker 1: little bit after the Rex circuits went on and on.
Speaker 1: So but that striking to me how how reserved both
Speaker 1: men were after you know, the Rex party, We got
Speaker 1: no news from them. I mean, I want to know
Speaker 1: if you know they have cap room. I want to
Speaker 1: know if Percy Harvin is gonna be on the Like
Speaker 1: do you think Parcy Harvin is going to be on
Speaker 1: this team? I don't think so I feel like that,
Speaker 1: but they have the room for him, So I kind
Speaker 1: of think, like why not, Like they have Eric Decker
Speaker 1: and Harvin and Curly, It's like, why not have them
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can afford them, which they can.
Speaker 1: I know, and I did specifically, I I asked both
Speaker 1: of them about it, and that nobody was nobody was
Speaker 1: saying anything. But I don't know, I mean, what would
Speaker 1: you rather have Percy Harvin or Randall Cobb? You know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like what I wasn't I want to
Speaker 1: have a guy that I can trust that's going to
Speaker 1: be on the field, and if it, if it wasn't
Speaker 1: worth so much money, you know that I would I
Speaker 1: would definitely keep him around. But jeez, that's superstar wide
Speaker 1: receiver money for a guy that's really had one good suit.
Speaker 1: What about Jeremy Macklin there with the Todd Bulls connect
Speaker 1: from Philly? Yeah, I like I got spooked a little
Speaker 1: bit by West on the podcast last week. Who you know?
Speaker 1: I trust the West as a scientist and a malman
Speaker 1: who sits at the stool with his beer and dispenses info.
Speaker 1: And West was saying how he believes that Maclin is
Speaker 1: maybe a bit of a system receiver and he thrives
Speaker 1: in in Philly. And I could almost imagine them, the
Speaker 1: Jets overpaying for Macwin and then him reverting to you know,
Speaker 1: you know, sixty eight catches for nine fourteen yards and
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, which is not what they need. They need
Speaker 1: a true one or one eight type guy to arrived
Speaker 1: with Decker. So I don't know, Macklin's maybe West you
Speaker 1: scared me off. Mack Part of it is I don't
Speaker 1: trust him to stay healthy, and he's only had the
Speaker 1: one one thousand yards season last year playing DeShawn Jackson's
Speaker 1: spot in Chip Kelly's offense. He never had thousand yards
Speaker 1: seasons before that because he was always banged up and
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing at and that affected his production. I
Speaker 1: don't see him as a durable wide receiver stay and
Speaker 1: Gregg after if they did let Hart and walk and
Speaker 1: they invested that money elsewhere, hopefully by the way they
Speaker 1: get this Wilkerson done deal done. They're still not talking
Speaker 1: with any urgency today about getting it done. But you know,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be not as good as last year,
Speaker 1: but it supposed to be another good wide receiver class.
Speaker 1: If they decide they don't want to invest in a
Speaker 1: quarterback this year, set a Maori Cooper kids, sounds like
Speaker 1: somebody that would be a nice spot at number six,
Speaker 1: and mcagnet did say, because we got him in the
Speaker 1: hallway afterwards that he made it clear that they were
Speaker 1: open to moving up via trade if they fall in
Speaker 1: love with somebody. So being at number six, he explained,
Speaker 1: it's a great place to be because you're not too
Speaker 1: far from the top of the draft and you're writ
Speaker 1: in that sweet spot where the team might get desperate
Speaker 1: and call you. So I could see the jets and
Speaker 1: they have been moving around. Well that is the skinny
Speaker 1: from Indian Apples. What a what an in weird show
Speaker 1: here today? I like that we had a cast that
Speaker 1: thousands a lot weird. I'm just saying we had each
Speaker 1: of the guys on one by one. It was interested.
Speaker 1: This was the show almost didn't exist, but we just thought,
Speaker 1: give the people more podcast. It could very possibly be
Speaker 1: a Frank stun Monster. Oh, it'll be great. It was
Speaker 1: like a carnival atmosphere. How could anything with Colleen Wolfe
Speaker 1: prominently featured be a bad thing. I have one last
Speaker 1: question for you. Who was taking last in the draft
Speaker 1: last night? Who was the last draft pick? That is
Speaker 1: a great question. I would assume I don't have the
Speaker 1: paperwork in front of me, but I would assume it
Speaker 1: was Jason lick Okay. Like like, I would say, by
Speaker 1: the way, the most, the least charismatic, and uh Rust
Speaker 1: and Webster had to be in the mix. Webster's right
Speaker 1: up there. But Denis, Oh, I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: that on Twitter that Dennis Hickey was the most boring
Speaker 1: guy all day. Yeah, he's also he telt later in
Speaker 1: the day, so I think people are starting to get
Speaker 1: a little burned out. But when he was at the
Speaker 1: podium that it was just the place wasn't jumping. Dolphins
Speaker 1: speech writer said it was his most electric performance a date. Well, well,
Speaker 1: the place is always jumping when Dan Hansis is on
Speaker 1: the line. We're gonna say goodbye to you and just
Speaker 1: say goodbye to the to the listeners. All in one
Speaker 1: fell swooped for Dan Hansas, Kevin Patrick con Roor and
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler in Indianapolis. We've got Colleen Wolf and Chris
Speaker 1: westleying in l A. We will see you back on Friday.
Speaker 1: Ship