Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast didn't come here to make friends.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Jansas, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room full of heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosittal. What up, boys, I don't know. Dan basically
Speaker 1: just told us that our energy was low last show,
Speaker 1: so we're feeling we'll come in feeling a little bit
Speaker 1: bad about ourselves. Right before the show, Dan gives us
Speaker 1: basically some new Rockney talk that we didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: have enough energy last time. I listened to the show
Speaker 1: on Monday while flowering my plants in the garden because
Speaker 1: I don't have children, Mark, is that a euphemism? Uh?
Speaker 1: That is that's a literal, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought it was a little low, but that could have
Speaker 1: tied into Westling in Sessler's dungeon the night before and
Speaker 1: in general a long day. But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a solid sixteen hour day for Sessler before that pot
Speaker 1: even starts in twelve or fourteen for us. So I
Speaker 1: have to come back to give you, Mark, I think
Speaker 1: your energy was great. Wow, he's penning a straight on
Speaker 1: Cessler going after him. It's fair it's fair. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just gotta come. We gotta rebound or rebound k Rich,
Speaker 1: how are you doing behind the glass? All is well, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm pumped for Thursday night football. My spirits are high
Speaker 1: until I heard the intro of this podcast. Money's intros
Speaker 1: are sounding very redundant, and I feel like I have
Speaker 1: my amazing around the league writers cough cough that we'll
Speaker 1: have them to you today. Crystal will have one. We
Speaker 1: have run through all our our prerecorded uh what what
Speaker 1: would you call these? Can canned intros? Canned intros? We
Speaker 1: ran through all of them all fifteen or so that
Speaker 1: we wrote up and had Matt money Smith record and
Speaker 1: now we're going over again. But this is k Rich.
Speaker 1: In fairness to k Rich, he told us about a
Speaker 1: week ago, maybe two weeks ago, Hey, we need more intros.
Speaker 1: We didn't do him, and now k Rich is angry,
Speaker 1: which is not a good situation. Ever, I'm very angry.
Speaker 1: You're gonna read the news angrily today. I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to try that. All right, Well, let's start right there.
Speaker 1: Why don't we? Why don't we? Because yeah, well just
Speaker 1: for today, just so you know, we're gonna do some
Speaker 1: news we're gonna you know, we've been talking about this
Speaker 1: for a week as well. Bonker's Sacks k riches Um
Speaker 1: official theme music for the News. We're gonna listen to that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some Thursday night football. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about something. Oh and two teams see who's who's finished
Speaker 1: and who's got a shot at this to bounce back,
Speaker 1: and then of course when West's toaster is back to
Speaker 1: close the show. But let's start with the news, k Rich,
Speaker 1: Let's let's get right into it, all right. Let me
Speaker 1: know if this is angry enough for you guys. Left
Speaker 1: tackle Ryan Claydie is moving straight to the Broncos I
Speaker 1: R list with a Liz Frank sprain that will require
Speaker 1: surgery that worked. I got the message. I'd be angry
Speaker 1: if I was a Broncos fan. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is worse than everything that's happened to them this year.
Speaker 1: Would you guys agree with that. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of things that have happened for you know, athlete to
Speaker 1: the Broncos. This is on the top. I wrote the
Speaker 1: initial piece when we thought he might just be out
Speaker 1: for a month or so, and I thought they could
Speaker 1: paper over that because Peyton Manning is so good before
Speaker 1: the snap. He he and Eli are always the two
Speaker 1: like lowest set quarterbacks in the league, so past protection
Speaker 1: might not be a big issue. But if we go
Speaker 1: back to our two thousand seven Paths comparison, all we
Speaker 1: heard all year was how much time Brady had in
Speaker 1: the pocket that year. He was back there eating lunch,
Speaker 1: having a picnic. You know, Manning is not gonna have
Speaker 1: that without the best left left tackle in football. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of this went back to me predicting
Speaker 1: the sixteen and oh on Sunday, and immediately we find
Speaker 1: out that the left tackle, the cornerstone of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: Peyton man and blindside protector gone for the year. That's rough.
Speaker 1: And don't forget they also lost the center. I know,
Speaker 1: Manny Ramirez, he must be doing a pretty good job
Speaker 1: because they just gave him a new contract, but they
Speaker 1: lost two centers. Yeah, right. The football gods were not
Speaker 1: happy with your Hubris, No, they didn't like I mean,
Speaker 1: think about how much money they just paid Claydie thirty
Speaker 1: three million guaranteed more than fifty that's a heck of
Speaker 1: a lot more than they were ever going to play
Speaker 1: pay Elvis Duberville. So I'm not saying this kills their
Speaker 1: chances by any means. But if it's not significant to
Speaker 1: go from clayde to who is it, Chris Clark, then
Speaker 1: then why did give him all that money? I do
Speaker 1: look at like a team like the Packers in two
Speaker 1: thousand ten. I think they had what sixteen guys on
Speaker 1: I R something when they went into the playoffs, And
Speaker 1: sometimes you're better teams just find a way to play
Speaker 1: around this. I mean, by the time we get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, every one of the contending teams well have
Speaker 1: suffered some sort of devastating ill But I look at
Speaker 1: the I look at Denver's defense von Miller, They've they've
Speaker 1: done a nice job of remaining completely active competitive without him.
Speaker 1: He'll be back soon. All these guys are coming back
Speaker 1: at some point, not clayte And that's that is that's
Speaker 1: a tough one to cover over. And I agree that,
Speaker 1: you know, great teams find a way, but all takes
Speaker 1: his one hit on Hayton Manning and it's over in Denver, right,
Speaker 1: But that's also true of Aaron Rodgers, and essentially you
Speaker 1: lose the guy in the line you could least afford
Speaker 1: to lose this, especially when it comes with a guy
Speaker 1: getting hit. They call him a blindside for a reason.
Speaker 1: He would never see it coming. If this guy Clark
Speaker 1: can't do the job and something bad happens, you know,
Speaker 1: well disaster. Back to the Aaron Rodgers thing. Who's to
Speaker 1: say Clark isn't better than David back tr I mean,
Speaker 1: it's uh, nobody's got like how dare you? How many
Speaker 1: of these contenders have premier left tackles? Right? Uh? K rich?
Speaker 1: What else is in the news? Alright, guys, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of liking this read the news mad thing. I want
Speaker 1: to try it one more time. Colts tight end Dwayne
Speaker 1: Allen needs surgery and will miss the entire season for
Speaker 1: hip surgery. I'm mad about this one too. He was
Speaker 1: my making the leap guy. I love Dwayne and I
Speaker 1: thought he had pro bowled potentially. Think we should play
Speaker 1: some taps carriage some taps to remember making the leap
Speaker 1: candidate lost Dwayne Allen another a lot of wess is
Speaker 1: making the lead guys. To be honest, number the number
Speaker 1: ten guy on the list. He could have been higher
Speaker 1: too easily. I thought he was maybe a pro bowl
Speaker 1: to have a player this year. I did too. I
Speaker 1: think it's a much bigger lost than Vick Ballard. The
Speaker 1: guy who comes in for Ballard is probably a better player,
Speaker 1: and mab Branchi. The guy who comes in for Dwayne
Speaker 1: Allen is Dominique Jones, who fumbled a potential touchdown last
Speaker 1: week that basically cost the Cold to the game. It's
Speaker 1: funny because I watched that Cold scheme again and I
Speaker 1: felt like when Hayward Bay was removed from the equation,
Speaker 1: not in a way that we celebrate, but through injury,
Speaker 1: it's t Y Hilton suddenly, and that this should have
Speaker 1: happened weeks ago. There had no other choice but to
Speaker 1: target him relentlessly, and he had his career best game.
Speaker 1: It was almost like by by someone being taken out,
Speaker 1: the lineup got kind of configured the way it should
Speaker 1: have been. That's not the case with Alan. That's a
Speaker 1: very talented player that we're essentially not going to get
Speaker 1: a chance to see grow in the offensive this year.
Speaker 1: It changes what Pep Hamilton's wants to do because he
Speaker 1: wanted to run more. He wanted to be two tight ends,
Speaker 1: Alan and Fleaner. Suddenly, now you just have Fleaner. I
Speaker 1: think you'll see more of three wide receivers d h B, Hayward,
Speaker 1: Bay and Luck. We're not on the same page often
Speaker 1: in the first couple of weeks, so suddenly you're down
Speaker 1: to just Hilton and Wayne. And that's a problem. We
Speaker 1: sell too much. I went back and watch the game,
Speaker 1: saw too much Griff Whalen and Dominique Jones, and that's
Speaker 1: a far cry from Dwayne Allen in t Y Hilton
Speaker 1: or DHB. So Fleeter camp block Fleaner got Luck killed
Speaker 1: on one play last week, so that just hurts a
Speaker 1: team that's already pretty weak at tackle. Alright, k Rich,
Speaker 1: what else is in the news? Cheer up a little bit? Now?
Speaker 1: Next up you, I think I will chair up. If
Speaker 1: you're a Saints fan, you're probably not happy about this news.
Speaker 1: If you're a Bucks fan, you're definitely happy. So I'll
Speaker 1: take the middle ground on this one. The suspension on
Speaker 1: Buck's safety DeShawn Goldson for his hit on running back
Speaker 1: Darren Sprawls has been overturned. It is now a one
Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine, which I think ties with Sue's fine
Speaker 1: last week, is the highest ever for an on fielding fraction.
Speaker 1: Does that sound right to everybody. I guess I mean,
Speaker 1: for me is statement. But these fines, if you're not
Speaker 1: going to suspend them in you know, West and I
Speaker 1: talked about this last week, there's really not much you
Speaker 1: can do to change whatever the mindset of the players is.
Speaker 1: If they're intending to knock these guys out. I don't
Speaker 1: think we know that, but it's like a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to sue is essentially taking like a diamond a
Speaker 1: nickel out of my pocket. I've realized I'm in the
Speaker 1: minority of football fans. I don't care, nor do I
Speaker 1: have an opinion on fines or suspensions. I just don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's to do whatever you want. I'm with you too
Speaker 1: many fine stories. It's this is the first bad bit
Speaker 1: of luck the Patriots have gotten on the schedule this year, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, they have to faith to shot Gold. Interesting
Speaker 1: after all these quarterbacks. And by the way, one thing
Speaker 1: I will say, if you're going to suspend these guys,
Speaker 1: suspend them. H ed read in November last year, and
Speaker 1: now you have goals and they're they're getting suspended for
Speaker 1: these hits, and then they appeal them and they get
Speaker 1: knocked out. I mean you know, if you're gonna send
Speaker 1: a message, send a mess. Well, maybe what they do,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to belabor this rather dull news topic,
Speaker 1: but maybe they point to precedent where the league frankly
Speaker 1: is all over the place on how they rule on
Speaker 1: some of these player hits. I mean, it's like they
Speaker 1: do with something with one guy, the next guy based
Speaker 1: on Rippy Patian completely different. Well, isn't that because there's
Speaker 1: an arbitrator involved? That's how I think At that point
Speaker 1: it's out of the commissioner's hands, But it seems how
Speaker 1: that's how an appeal could be one if if there
Speaker 1: is some back and forth. But you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: step in here, a shadowy figure entering rich when you
Speaker 1: sell this podcast, can you write that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of arbitration talking And I have one for the Sizzler.
Speaker 1: Not sure how he's going to react to this, but
Speaker 1: the Browns announced that Brennan Hoyer will make this start
Speaker 1: at QB in week three. Well it all turns around here. Well,
Speaker 1: I responded to it initially about seven hours ago when
Speaker 1: I had to write the post well before the sun
Speaker 1: came up. Um, Well, sorry, you know it's it's for
Speaker 1: me and I and again West Hopton, I am, and
Speaker 1: we had a chat about this early. There are other
Speaker 1: option was Jason Campbell, who I guess looks the part right.
Speaker 1: He looks like an NFL quarterback, one of the most
Speaker 1: proven guys to get you about a touchdown, buck fifty
Speaker 1: in yardage, two interceptions and you will lose. He just
Speaker 1: that's who he is. As a Browns fan, where you're
Speaker 1: just searching for anything that could be possibly compelling, Hoyer
Speaker 1: at least is an unknown the thing that jumps out
Speaker 1: to me. I remember when the Bears signed Jason Campbell
Speaker 1: last year, uh, I believe for a three million dollar
Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. It was viewed as Wow, the Bears finally
Speaker 1: smartened up and got a good quarterback behind Jay Cutler.
Speaker 1: And then he had that one. I think it was
Speaker 1: a Sunday night game where Houston Texas and now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's the third string quarterback in Cleveland
Speaker 1: behind It was the Niners that crushed him for about
Speaker 1: five or six sacks. This is not a surprise actually
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland with Lombardi at the GM spot, I
Speaker 1: mean they wanted him. Hoyer in that in the position
Speaker 1: all along to back up or possibly lead them as
Speaker 1: a starter. My my big takeaway is just that that
Speaker 1: Lombardi is three year fascination, you know, uh flirtation within
Speaker 1: set Brian Horder fetish, and it's finally been consummated. I mean,
Speaker 1: Lombardi basically got back into the league just for the
Speaker 1: express purpose of getting Hoyer a starting quarterback job, and
Speaker 1: now here it is. Well, here's my question, and Mark
Speaker 1: maybe you can answer it, or anybody can. Hoyer is
Speaker 1: he going to keep the job if he has a
Speaker 1: decent game, No way, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: as two touchdowns, I guess you know it's a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 1: Is nothing new that this is their nine quarterback since
Speaker 1: the will start a game for the team, So you know,
Speaker 1: it's not as if they've had a consistent answer there
Speaker 1: on any level. But I think the issue beyond this
Speaker 1: season is then almost no matter what Weeden does, if
Speaker 1: he comes back, outside of taking the playoffs, it's a
Speaker 1: complete reshuffling at the position this off. Do you think
Speaker 1: to answer the question, no, I said no, I don't
Speaker 1: think that Weeden will be supplanted by Hoyer. No is
Speaker 1: uh Moyer a younger man than Brandon Weedon. Yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: oh Man West set the age jokes. It's hilarious a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's a very it's sore spot. It's a good question.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised no one's bringing in uh you know the
Speaker 1: parallels to Drew Bledsoe getting knocked out and Tom Brady
Speaker 1: coming in. This called this could change everything? Um alright? Good?
Speaker 1: Uh kay, Rich. The only reason I came into work
Speaker 1: today was to be part of the listening party for
Speaker 1: your news theme songs. I think this is probably a
Speaker 1: good time. Can you let it rip and we could
Speaker 1: just dig in on this a little bit. Boys, the
Speaker 1: time has finally come, by the way, so excited. I
Speaker 1: haven't been this excited since Pearl Jam released Bytology. This
Speaker 1: is a really big moment right now. I can't even
Speaker 1: remember those days were three I was older than three.
Speaker 1: All right, let her rip right off the back. Oh
Speaker 1: there it is Buckers s. I feel like I should
Speaker 1: be drinking from champagne, right Z. What do you guys say? Mark?
Speaker 1: Technically clean? I like it technically clear? Yeah, strong West
Speaker 1: me like early eighties uh soft rock with little jazz influence.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of the John Hamm episode
Speaker 1: of Saturday Night Live. I don't know if you saw
Speaker 1: that skit where he played Sergio, the crazy saxophonist who
Speaker 1: would just break through things and and go wild. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of reminds me on when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: Preview Guide used to be Channel three and there are
Speaker 1: some wild sacks when you would just be looking down
Speaker 1: the channels only way to see what was coming on next,
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of that. I'm just amazed at
Speaker 1: the budget that we have for you know, thirteen backup
Speaker 1: singers singing ky Rich's name in the back, Hey, the
Speaker 1: best for the best was that? Was that any of
Speaker 1: your original vocals, Carbridge, it might be I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to bragized another voice in there too at
Speaker 1: the beginning. That was Rich on the head. If you
Speaker 1: are a check fan, that is the producer t d
Speaker 1: also known as black Tie. Yes. So I thought he
Speaker 1: did a great job. I really like it, Kay Rich.
Speaker 1: I would give it. I would give it a hard
Speaker 1: nine and a half out of ten. I love it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see if we can get that on iTunes
Speaker 1: for both of the people interested out there to purchase. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well, and uh yeah, kay, Rich, if you would
Speaker 1: do as a favorite playing us out with the song
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode today as well. Problem
Speaker 1: all right? Um, alright, moving right along before we get
Speaker 1: into talking about Thursday night, Greg, you thought of it downstairs,
Speaker 1: So why don't you tell us what we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about next. Well, we've got all the oh and two
Speaker 1: teams around the league. You know, some not so surprising Browns, Jaguars,
Speaker 1: some some are surprising. Giants, Panthers would be in that mix.
Speaker 1: Out of these teams, who do you think it is
Speaker 1: in the most trouble that that you're actually worried? Maybe
Speaker 1: he went into the season thinking they could be halfway decent.
Speaker 1: I know Dan had half of these teams that nine
Speaker 1: wins apparently, uh and and they're starting no one to
Speaker 1: who are you legitimately concerned about? Now? I didn't think
Speaker 1: the Jags or the Browns would be that great, But
Speaker 1: I think there are two teams we can write off.
Speaker 1: I know you guys think it's too early to write
Speaker 1: the Browns off, but if you don't have a quarterback,
Speaker 1: you've got a problem. The Buccaneers I'm writing off because
Speaker 1: they're a laughing stock. They're about ready to implode and
Speaker 1: they hate their head coach. Is that a problem you
Speaker 1: hate your head coach? Well, sometimes it isn't, but in
Speaker 1: this case, if you're not winning, it is. And I
Speaker 1: might be about ready to write off the Panthers because
Speaker 1: I hate what their offense is doing and uh, I
Speaker 1: can't figure out what Mike Schill is doing at the
Speaker 1: controls there. I'm gonna stick up for the Bucks a
Speaker 1: little bit, and that they've lost. Their defense is played
Speaker 1: very well for two straight weeks, and they've lost two
Speaker 1: games in flukey fashion by one, by one point or
Speaker 1: one score. Isn't it possible that they get it back together?
Speaker 1: I mean, they have something going for them a lot
Speaker 1: of these teams, don't. I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: the defense has played great. To me, they just are um,
Speaker 1: they're about one more instant away from just like a
Speaker 1: full on revolution in the locker room. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's troubling. I I have a hard time. I think
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Panthers West. I can't write them off
Speaker 1: in the sense that they lost twelve seven in Seattle
Speaker 1: and they lost on a last second drive to the
Speaker 1: Bills last week. They're not far away, but there is issues,
Speaker 1: but in terms of writing them off entirely, I see
Speaker 1: things to like. On the defense, still we're losing in
Speaker 1: the last minute. Is their move They're gonna use it.
Speaker 1: It's I'm not sure we're talking about them going eleven
Speaker 1: and five. My team has to be the Jags. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how what I see there. Forget how
Speaker 1: about the Steelers one of those I'm actually gonna go Giants.
Speaker 1: I picked him to go six and ten. And I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with Eli Manning continuing to throw
Speaker 1: three fifty yards in garbage time week after week. But
Speaker 1: the defense, to me is the whole NFC East has
Speaker 1: a suspect defense. Giants are right there in them, right
Speaker 1: in there in the mix with them, and I don't
Speaker 1: see them winning more than six games. I was crazy
Speaker 1: disappointed by the Steelers on Monday night. I know Greg
Speaker 1: is as well, because the Roethlisberger's his m VP pick,
Speaker 1: and that's starting to look pretty grim. But you know,
Speaker 1: they did again, they did not run the ball. And
Speaker 1: but here's the thing, and we everybody thought that or
Speaker 1: some people thought Big Ben was gonna help carry them.
Speaker 1: He was a major problem they lost. He was a
Speaker 1: major reason they lost on Monday. He was not accurate
Speaker 1: with his throws. He threw the pick at the end
Speaker 1: was on him. Um And now they have a situation
Speaker 1: where they have Chicago coming in uh to their building
Speaker 1: where they you know, oh and three, you're dead. Let's
Speaker 1: face it, and do I do I think that Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: is going to win? I don't know, because now I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced that there are any good right now. Out
Speaker 1: of all of the teams that we're talking about, they
Speaker 1: are the one team that has help on the way
Speaker 1: with Levan Bell and Heath Miller, and if they decide
Speaker 1: to make Marcus wheat and a big part of their offense,
Speaker 1: and that's the major problem right now is the offense.
Speaker 1: They can't move the ball because they have no speed
Speaker 1: and no playmaking ability. If those three guys enter the mix,
Speaker 1: maybe the season will be over by that point. But
Speaker 1: they at least have some guys that can come in
Speaker 1: and change what they're doing. And their defense hasn't been bad.
Speaker 1: It's obviously has the pedigree. I don't like the fact
Speaker 1: that they're so thin at certain positions that Kian Wilson
Speaker 1: is starting. You know, paulse And is starting at tight end.
Speaker 1: Chris had a great stat UH this week that they
Speaker 1: only have five players from the last five draft classes
Speaker 1: that have started ten games or more for the team,
Speaker 1: which is insane. They haven't drafted well. But my team
Speaker 1: I think that's been the most is concerning is the
Speaker 1: Washington Redskins, And like the Steelers, they're in a bad
Speaker 1: division at least to start off the year, everyone stuck
Speaker 1: at one and one. But I think this Redskins defense
Speaker 1: could be bad for good. And I think it was
Speaker 1: pretty bad last year and they played well at the
Speaker 1: end of the year and that made up for everyone forgot.
Speaker 1: So even if RG three gets better, to me, this
Speaker 1: Washington team, I think UH could be disappointed all year.
Speaker 1: That's my pick. You know, the whole NFC East has
Speaker 1: defenses ranked twenty or lower right now, and the Eagles
Speaker 1: I think are the second worst, and the Redskins right
Speaker 1: in there too. And I watched I re watched that
Speaker 1: Redskins game, and you're right, it's like r G three
Speaker 1: probably will ascend in beyond get beyond war years right now,
Speaker 1: no question, But that defense, I don't know what fixes
Speaker 1: that defense. If you want to play Devil's advocate you
Speaker 1: can say they faced the Eagles in the first game,
Speaker 1: which of Chip kelly revolutionizing offense in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: then faced Aaron Rodgers in a Packers offense that nobody
Speaker 1: is going to say. They were the guinea pigs in
Speaker 1: that first half against Philadelphia and no other team had
Speaker 1: to deal with going in with no tape and they
Speaker 1: did not survive that. But then, right, you get an
Speaker 1: angry Packers team that's coming off at forts lost a
Speaker 1: tough early drawal. I've seen too many Jim Haslet defenses
Speaker 1: in Washington. I've seen too many Mike Shanahan defenses for
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years to just think that they'll just
Speaker 1: get better. There's one team we haven't mentioned that they
Speaker 1: always seem to be under the radar despite having the
Speaker 1: best running back in the world, the Vikings. Does anybody
Speaker 1: think that they can uh put it together? We all
Speaker 1: have them in the last place. I think going into
Speaker 1: the air didn't right, and nobody well know what everybody
Speaker 1: picked against them last year too. And I think all
Speaker 1: of these teams, they have the most talent on both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, but they also have the quarterback issue.
Speaker 1: When I have a hard time backing teams with a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They're in a tough Division two. I mean it like
Speaker 1: Detroit looks legit where they weren't last season. A lot
Speaker 1: went right from Minnesota last year, pretty much everything, And
Speaker 1: I just I think we're getting an early indication that
Speaker 1: it's not going to go smooth it off. Well, who
Speaker 1: is Dan's picked? Do you have a pick? Uh for
Speaker 1: the team that I thinks in the most trouble Steelers?
Speaker 1: I really yeah, I really think everything you're seeing they're
Speaker 1: just too many holes. And uh yeah, you you want
Speaker 1: to think that Roethlisberger can rise above. But and you
Speaker 1: say they have help coming on the way. We don't
Speaker 1: even know what even Tomlin himself said yesterday with Heath Miller.
Speaker 1: You know he's not gonna be coming out of a
Speaker 1: phone booth wearing a Superman cape. You know, I mean this,
Speaker 1: He's gonna take a while to get back. We have
Speaker 1: no idea what Bell will give you at this point.
Speaker 1: So there are too many question marks for me right
Speaker 1: now to think I'm gonna you know, I think I'll
Speaker 1: probably pick them to win on Sunday because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just find it hard to see him Mike Thomas,
Speaker 1: You're completely indecisive. No, because I really know, because I
Speaker 1: really I went fourteen and two last week. But so
Speaker 1: just pipe down. Um yeah, no, I just it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to see Tomlin Roethlisberger team start owing three.
Speaker 1: But maybe this is the year it happens. So we
Speaker 1: all picked, you know, the team we think is in trouble.
Speaker 1: What what team out of that group do you think
Speaker 1: will come back still be a factor and make some
Speaker 1: noise after starting two. Let's start with Mark Sessler. I
Speaker 1: am going to uh go Panthers because I love their
Speaker 1: front seven. Like I said before, they lost two tight games.
Speaker 1: Look at none of these teams are, you know, rolling
Speaker 1: into January on fire. But I think I think the
Speaker 1: Carolina is gonna salvage and ugly start. I've I've seen
Speaker 1: them lose to when the games on the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: to think that that's not gonna stop personally, So we
Speaker 1: know who Mark's picking this week in the Battle of
Speaker 1: the O and two's between New York at Carolina. Not necessarily,
Speaker 1: I could see them stick themselves out of that resilient No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not sure I get I I don't
Speaker 1: love any of these why I have visions of last
Speaker 1: year's game between the Giants and Panthers at Carolina when
Speaker 1: the Giants, when Ramsas Bardon and Andre Brown rolled over
Speaker 1: the Panthers. And we'll talk about that more on Friday,
Speaker 1: where we preview all the games. But what a big
Speaker 1: game that is for Week three. It's weird because kind
Speaker 1: of the bad teams have the bigger games, and to me,
Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest game of the week. It's always
Speaker 1: great when two oh and two teams face each other
Speaker 1: because there it's almost a playoff game. If you look
Speaker 1: at the numbers, Um, how many oh and three teams
Speaker 1: have made it? I'm sure it's only a handful. So
Speaker 1: you need to win that game. So West, who's here?
Speaker 1: Who's your team you think comes back? I am siding
Speaker 1: with the Sissler here the Panthers, as much as I
Speaker 1: don't trust Mike Shula. This this reminds me of their
Speaker 1: start from last year. They got off to a slow
Speaker 1: start and then they were on fire down the stretch. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I love their front seven star Littula is
Speaker 1: like one of four young defensive tackles that I see
Speaker 1: jumping off the film every week. Now. Um, and you
Speaker 1: know that offense just has to play better. Right, do
Speaker 1: they have the best quarterback of this group? I guess
Speaker 1: you got Eli Manning in there, but big quarter I
Speaker 1: would agree. I would have to have no choice but
Speaker 1: to agree. And I'm not ready to say that Cam
Speaker 1: Newton's great until he starts playing better. I just that
Speaker 1: footwork issue that I've been talking about all offseason and
Speaker 1: all summer. It's still terrible. In there were plays I
Speaker 1: watched two or three series in a row in the
Speaker 1: second quarter where their entire offense was running to Angelo
Speaker 1: Williams into the stack for two yards and then Cam
Speaker 1: Newton thrown it as far as he could downfield over
Speaker 1: everybody's head. I think, someone what's going on with that?
Speaker 1: There needs to be like a van kidnapping of Mike Shula,
Speaker 1: and they need to bring someone in. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I get him out, replace him with someone who can
Speaker 1: think creatively on some level about moving the ball. And
Speaker 1: we're rolling. When you're counting on you know, a felony
Speaker 1: to come save your season, I think you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like the New York Giants, out
Speaker 1: of all these teams, to bounce back and be a factor.
Speaker 1: Half of Manning's interceptions, especially three of them last week.
Speaker 1: We're flukey and very game specific. I'll take a guy
Speaker 1: that can move up and down the field with some
Speaker 1: talented players and throw some interceptions you can get, you
Speaker 1: can fix the interceptions. I think he's the best quarterback
Speaker 1: of this group, and you don't need to kidnap Kevin
Speaker 1: Gilbride to save their season. Um. But by the way,
Speaker 1: what buddy Ryan be driving that van? Why not? He's
Speaker 1: got nothing else. That's a long plotted out revenge skiing. Um.
Speaker 1: I Also, I think the Giants and the Redskins. I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if either of those teams won
Speaker 1: nine games still, even despite this start. So those will
Speaker 1: be the two teams I would pick. But you're supposed
Speaker 1: to pick one team would well again, I'll pick the Redskins.
Speaker 1: Redskins who I picked, and win the division. And you
Speaker 1: know you should listen to my picks because I went
Speaker 1: fourteen and two last week. Did I mention that? Yeah
Speaker 1: a few times up here? All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's do some Thursday night football talk, a little Thursday
Speaker 1: night preview. This is do we have a name for
Speaker 1: this this chatter? Right? Now the Thursday night preview. All right,
Speaker 1: bang Kansas City in Philadelphia. Greg start us off, Well,
Speaker 1: I've been really impressed with the Chiefs defense in general.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the same group that we said was
Speaker 1: so talented last year with Romeo Cornell who couldn't bring
Speaker 1: out the talent in that group for whatever reason. And
Speaker 1: Sutton comes into Kansas City. That's really his defense, and
Speaker 1: it's these Rex Ryan assistants doing well. Mike Patton in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Sutton in Kansas City. They're flying around. Flowers is playing well,
Speaker 1: Eric Berry's healthy again, don Terry po Uh is totally
Speaker 1: making the leap, breaking out at nose tackle. And so
Speaker 1: I'm really excited too. From two weeks in, I think
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have been one of the best defenses in
Speaker 1: the league. And now they play the Eagles. So what
Speaker 1: a great matchup that's gonna be. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna take us still a while to figure out who
Speaker 1: the Eagles are. New layers are gonna be revealed weeks week.
Speaker 1: This is this is a game to find out who
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are though, because like you said, on defense,
Speaker 1: can they do what teams have not been able to
Speaker 1: do against the Eagles, which has hold them to less
Speaker 1: than thirty points, and honestly, Philadelphia could have scored fifty
Speaker 1: last game if a few things have gone a little
Speaker 1: bit differently for the Chiefs on offense. And I watched
Speaker 1: them on the all twenty two. I find them interesting,
Speaker 1: but they seem really limited if they get into a
Speaker 1: track meet, and it's gonna be real interest seem to
Speaker 1: see against one of what I think might be the
Speaker 1: worst defense in football right now south of Washington, which
Speaker 1: is the I guess is it maybe more west of Washington,
Speaker 1: but the Eagles defense is a disaster. And if if
Speaker 1: the Chiefs can't go in and put the points up,
Speaker 1: that tells you that they're gonna have issues doing that
Speaker 1: all year. I think Alex Smith has definitely been exactly
Speaker 1: what they wanted to be him to be to this point,
Speaker 1: although we it should be said that he is flirting
Speaker 1: a bit with the Gabbard zone. Uh he is. He
Speaker 1: is averaging five points seven yards per pass, So that
Speaker 1: speaks to your point, Mark that if this becomes a
Speaker 1: high scoring game, maybe this is not what His rushing
Speaker 1: averages it higher than his yards per attempt. His rushing
Speaker 1: average is six point eight yards is, by the way,
Speaker 1: the same as Colin Kaepernick's on the news right now,
Speaker 1: and he has more rushing yards than the Pittsburgh Steelers
Speaker 1: this year too. So I mean, they did some fun
Speaker 1: things on tape. You probably saw that they were running
Speaker 1: a little read option, some pistol and it was working.
Speaker 1: I know you watched the out of the Eagles. Let's oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: the first play was a triple option against the last game.
Speaker 1: It's a bizarre pub Let's talk about the Chip Kelly effect.
Speaker 1: Dan and I both went back and rewatch this game
Speaker 1: and noticed Deshan Jackson and Michael Vick just missed on
Speaker 1: a seventy nine yard throw, a sixty nine yard throw,
Speaker 1: and they had a thirty seven yard touchdown called back
Speaker 1: literally Jackson setting the receiving record. If those two things happened,
Speaker 1: Jackson would have set the receiving record. Vic would have
Speaker 1: set the passing record for one game. This isn't a
Speaker 1: game where the Chargers had time of possession by twenty
Speaker 1: minute advantage and slowed the Eagles offense down and they
Speaker 1: still almost set records. They still scored thirty points. And
Speaker 1: you know, let's see, Deshan Jackson has six plays of
Speaker 1: twenty or more yards this year. Should have had nine.
Speaker 1: Last year he had nine all year. Let's Shawn McCoy.
Speaker 1: Only fifteen players in NFL history have more yards from
Speaker 1: scrimmage than he's had through two games. Who's who's stopping
Speaker 1: Deshan Jackson is more receiving yards in the entire or
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans well, and he has a third of his
Speaker 1: catches from last year already. And honestly, I think the
Speaker 1: record is Flipper Anderson around three thirty three or so.
Speaker 1: For I think that he will beat that two or
Speaker 1: more times this season with no issues. A t L
Speaker 1: is saying, trade for every Eagle you could possibly get
Speaker 1: your hands on in fantasy league can slow him down.
Speaker 1: You don't think anybody would slow this offense down. Well,
Speaker 1: only injuries could completely sidetrack the Eagles and make them
Speaker 1: something different. Game by game we might see someone that
Speaker 1: uses I think it almost you need your offense to
Speaker 1: slow them down. You need to ball control the thing forever.
Speaker 1: But they score so quickly, I'm not sure the time
Speaker 1: of possession that even matters. I think the tempo gets
Speaker 1: most of the attention and that's not really what's at
Speaker 1: the at the heart of this offense right now. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get in too much like football won't talk.
Speaker 1: But here's like a cliff Notes version of what okay.
Speaker 1: So these aren't my thought thoughts. This is from hearing
Speaker 1: Jaws and Greg cos All and reading Chris Brown. Basically,
Speaker 1: what they're doing, they're running uh an up tempo offense
Speaker 1: just so the quarterback can have a static defense to
Speaker 1: read before he gets the line of scrims. The difference
Speaker 1: between what they're doing is that Vic is doing right
Speaker 1: after the snap what guys like Peyton, Manning, Brady and
Speaker 1: Breezes are doing before the snap reading the defense. So
Speaker 1: Vic Vic goes up to the line with like uh
Speaker 1: five options. He can hand at the McCoy, he can
Speaker 1: run it himself. He can do a bubble scream to
Speaker 1: Deshaan Jackson and do a slant to a Vaunt, or
Speaker 1: you can do a pop pass to Brent Sellek. This
Speaker 1: is whether you're going to line with every time, and
Speaker 1: it depends on how he's reading the defense, what he's
Speaker 1: gonna do right after the snap. And I don't know
Speaker 1: that anybody's gonna be able to stop that. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. We never doing some of those package plays
Speaker 1: with the Redskins last year, maybe not quite as many options,
Speaker 1: but I think that's part of the reason they were
Speaker 1: so effective. Well, we saw that with Philly in the
Speaker 1: preseason against the Patriots. They you know, when you talk
Speaker 1: about the bubble screens, there's four guys sitting out there.
Speaker 1: It's not one guy plus the running back. And what
Speaker 1: I what surprises me a little bit is all were
Speaker 1: it is. It's gonna be run heavy, run heavy, and
Speaker 1: it is obviously with the speed that they operate. But
Speaker 1: Vic has been firing the ball deep in that Chargers game,
Speaker 1: over and over the defense, and like Coastal and Joel said,
Speaker 1: he didn't have much accuracy the first game, but the
Speaker 1: important thing was he was making the right reads. He
Speaker 1: was choosing, He was reading the defense whale and choosing
Speaker 1: which play to run every time. Well, you said nothing's
Speaker 1: gonna slow them down. The thing that could slow him
Speaker 1: down is Michael Vick. How many times have we seen
Speaker 1: him be a consistent great quarterback through the course of
Speaker 1: the season. So you gotta counting him staying at this level.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go around the room. Who do you
Speaker 1: got in this game? Since I am really decisive. I
Speaker 1: will go first, and I will say the Eagles will
Speaker 1: move to two and one and hand the Chiefs their
Speaker 1: first loss, and ky Ridge pumped her fists. I'll go
Speaker 1: with the Eagles too. I like Greg. I love what
Speaker 1: I've seen from the Chiefs defense, and I think they're legit.
Speaker 1: But I think playing against this offense is different than
Speaker 1: playing against another offense in the NFL. Mark. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: look at Philly and I feel like they've grown a
Speaker 1: little bit each week and we're seeing a little bit
Speaker 1: more and I feel like we haven't had that game
Speaker 1: yet where it's like the entire league is completely un alert.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna drop about fifty five points on
Speaker 1: Kansas City and it's going to be the story of
Speaker 1: the week. I'm taking the under with that. I like this.
Speaker 1: I like this Chiefs defense and think they can give
Speaker 1: them problems because it still comes down to players, and
Speaker 1: they have a lot of good ones, so I think
Speaker 1: it'll be lower scoring. But I like the Eagles. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs are going to be in these toss up games
Speaker 1: every week, and you know it's in Philadelphia short week.
Speaker 1: Go with the home team. I'm really proud of you guys.
Speaker 1: I like to point out I'm the only one that
Speaker 1: had them winning the division before the season. You did.
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever pointed out before. Um. All right, so before
Speaker 1: we go, it's time to bring it back, the game
Speaker 1: that America is buzzing about. I mean everyone's talking about it.
Speaker 1: I can't walk down the street or go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store somebody coming up to me and saying, did
Speaker 1: when is when? When West's toaster coming back? None of
Speaker 1: this is true. However, it is back, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: play it again when West's toaster. K Rich is behind
Speaker 1: the glass. She has um before we get to that. Actually, West,
Speaker 1: it's very important that you do well today. I'm feeling confident.
Speaker 1: I'm riding high right now. It's very important. Well. I
Speaker 1: feel like the first time we played, West gave a
Speaker 1: decent performance, but at the same time, he was underwhelming.
Speaker 1: You can say it. He did not. It was a
Speaker 1: little underwhelming. You did not project dominance, which is did
Speaker 1: not deliver. Yes, yes, Cliff Claven delivers how I need
Speaker 1: West to deliver. And Greg, who wants a segment destroyed well,
Speaker 1: Westley one, I'm rooting against you. I'm rooting for our caller.
Speaker 1: I'm considering making up another hair appointment just so I
Speaker 1: can leave for this segment and be done with the trivia.
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Alright, so West, Uh the entire rooms counting
Speaker 1: on you. Uh k Rich, Do we have a caller contestant?
Speaker 1: I should say, welcome in, Eli, Eli? Are you there there?
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure because Eli was talking a
Speaker 1: lot of smack on Twitter? Was he really talking on Twitter?
Speaker 1: And avous? Don't be nervous. Don't be nervous. Hey, Eli,
Speaker 1: where are you from? I'm actually Fromburgh? Oh nice? Are
Speaker 1: you a Steelers guy? Hell no, I'm a Titans fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you enjoyed that week one. Not to put more pressure
Speaker 1: on you, but this is not a normal toaster. This
Speaker 1: is a toaster where you can press the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: logo and have your toast come out with the Titans
Speaker 1: logo on it. It's two technology getting excited about it.
Speaker 1: All right? So, um are you Eli? Are you aware
Speaker 1: of the rules of the game. Did you listen to
Speaker 1: it the first time we played? No? Well, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll get off the phone something now here we go?
Speaker 1: These are this is the rule of wind West's toaster.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get asked six questions, and West will also
Speaker 1: be asked the same six questions, but he will be
Speaker 1: out of the room, so you cannot hear your answers. Um,
Speaker 1: you will answer those questions, and then you have the
Speaker 1: ability to pass if you want to go to the
Speaker 1: next one if you're stumped, and then come back to it.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the questions, you say, stop
Speaker 1: the clock. We stop the clock. We tabulated how many
Speaker 1: answers you gave us. Then we bring in West, and
Speaker 1: West does the same six questions. Whoever gets the most
Speaker 1: questions right wins the toaster or keeps the toaster. And
Speaker 1: if you both have the same amount of correct answers, Uh,
Speaker 1: it comes down to the clock. Who answered their questions
Speaker 1: in in the fastest manner, And there is a one
Speaker 1: minute time limit. We cannot go over one because a
Speaker 1: one minute time limits, so keep that in mind. I
Speaker 1: don't want any hear any googling of the answers. You
Speaker 1: just gotta go now, Eli, I didn't think you whoa
Speaker 1: shot across Greg's bow. All right, all right, so let's
Speaker 1: do this. West. You can now leave the premises for
Speaker 1: the time being. He's gonna go behind the glass. Eli,
Speaker 1: are you ready Mark Susler is the man on the clock.
Speaker 1: Mark a lot of freshman Mark to get the clock.
Speaker 1: This did not go well last time. It's going to
Speaker 1: be smooth, all right, So here comes the questions. The
Speaker 1: clock starts when I start reading the questions, and I'll
Speaker 1: ask you if you're ready to stop the clock, and
Speaker 1: you say stop the clock and we're done. Here we go.
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski was drafted in the second round of the
Speaker 1: two thousand NFL Draft out of what school Arizona? What
Speaker 1: team did Steve Young play for before the forty nine
Speaker 1: Where was Super Bowl thirty five held the side of
Speaker 1: the Patriots first championship? What was the name of the
Speaker 1: Packers guards stopped by and Dominican sue on Thanksgiving two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven? Oh my gosh? Can I pass that? Ye?
Speaker 1: Where is the Jets practice facility located? Who scored the
Speaker 1: winning touchdown in the Music City Miracle in the playoffs?
Speaker 1: On that? All right? Do you want to go back
Speaker 1: or do you want to stop the clock? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to go back. I want to say New Orleans
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl? Okay? And then um I want
Speaker 1: to say Chris Wells Okay. I need more, I need
Speaker 1: more detail, by the way on time. Okay, should we
Speaker 1: give him? Should we give him New Orleans for the
Speaker 1: sight of the page? Okay? I was gonna say super alright, alright,
Speaker 1: guess what you got? Looks like you had one too, recorrect?
Speaker 1: Did well? All right, Let's bring West in here since
Speaker 1: he swaggered in. Man's a man that looks like And
Speaker 1: look at the calf's on West as he walks in
Speaker 1: as well, just really well shaped, it like a statue. Almost. Alright, West,
Speaker 1: sitting down you We will not tell you what you need. Um,
Speaker 1: we will tell you that your opponent. No, I won't
Speaker 1: tell you that either. I will tell you nothing. Here
Speaker 1: we go. Are you ready? Yes? Rob Gronkowski was drafted
Speaker 1: in the second round of the two thousand and ten
Speaker 1: NFL Draft out of what school, Arizona? What team did
Speaker 1: Steve Young play for before the forty Niners? Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Speaker 1: Where was Super Bowl thirty five held the site of
Speaker 1: the Patriots first championship? Oh? Who knows? Um? Who knows
Speaker 1: where Super Bowls are played? Wasn't it dumb? Wasn't New Orleans?
Speaker 1: I'll go with what was the name of the Packers?
Speaker 1: Guards stomped by and Dominican Sue on Thanksgiving two thousand,
Speaker 1: even Dietrick Smith, where is the Jets practice facility located
Speaker 1: the meadowlands on a swamp? Who scored the winning touchdown
Speaker 1: in the Music City Miracle in the playoffs? Frank White, chick,
Speaker 1: that's it? Stop the clock. That looks like West got
Speaker 1: four in forty five seconds to beat Eli, who had
Speaker 1: three in sixty seconds. Wes, you have kept your toaster nice?
Speaker 1: Frank White checks right, Eli? That was you put up
Speaker 1: a good battle, but West brought his a game today.
Speaker 1: Did I get to New Orleans one after? I mean,
Speaker 1: you did your meandered and got it right? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: az on the state for Gronkowski like an idiot. Yeah
Speaker 1: that that cost you ultimately, but you would have lost
Speaker 1: on tie breaker anyway, So don't feel bad. Eli. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening and thank you for playing when West
Speaker 1: is toaster? Yeah? Thanks all right. By the way, for
Speaker 1: the ends, both of you guys missed where is the
Speaker 1: Jets practice facility? Because nobody cares Flora Park, New Jersey personnel,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, everything else was covered. So West, I'm
Speaker 1: very excited about this because that means we keep playing
Speaker 1: in the future. Greg. It looks sullen in the corner
Speaker 1: unless no one responds to our request for contestants. We
Speaker 1: had to put somebody off today, Yeah we did somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody has to go next time. But uh, alright, so
Speaker 1: great job, Wes. Thank you. You've restored my faith really
Speaker 1: in humanity right there. Um, thank you, and uh are
Speaker 1: nice to thank the academy. Uh yeah, don't use the
Speaker 1: out of respect to Eli to try not to is
Speaker 1: the Titans one because I feel like that's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: them a lot if you. Yeah, okay, alright, so that
Speaker 1: is it for today's show. Anybody, Uh, nobody got anything
Speaker 1: to say? One question on the toast real fast. Let's
Speaker 1: say you are a Steelers fan. Are you ever going
Speaker 1: to be putting insignias of others other teams on this
Speaker 1: piece of bread. It just seems like a bizarre because
Speaker 1: the top toast beats the bottom toast. So you for
Speaker 1: your Steelers, you want the top bread to be the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and then maybe the Bengals on the bottom, and
Speaker 1: you make up for last months. Maybe you have some
Speaker 1: friends over the house, make them toast specialized for their
Speaker 1: favorite If you actually use the toaster from a practical
Speaker 1: perspective it you're probably very lonely, which is this is
Speaker 1: why our country is just floating off the rails. Possibly. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it for today's show. Uh there's that music again
Speaker 1: for a while. That's a great move right there. Hey,
Speaker 1: so that's it for today's show. Uh. Friday, we will
Speaker 1: recap Thursday night gain talk at all the week three games,
Speaker 1: so look add to that. But for now, just listen
Speaker 1: to the stylence. Hey, let's just Steve so oh her
Speaker 1: th