Speaker 1: The Around the Name Podcast would follow Mike Tomlin anywhere
Speaker 1: starts Now, welcome back to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the League Podcast. My name is Dan hansis joined by
Speaker 1: a room full of heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? What's up? Got the new intro? Yes,
Speaker 1: that was good. I like that one. Well, we've already
Speaker 1: established that I will follow Mike Tomlin anywhere. Yes, any bar,
Speaker 1: any seen, any sewer I'm behind and we don't want
Speaker 1: to give it away, but you know there's gonna be
Speaker 1: more surprises. This is a general idea of the intro.
Speaker 1: So let us know. You know what you think at
Speaker 1: an NFL A t L the Twitter account, I know
Speaker 1: Crystal is so happy right now. If I had thrown
Speaker 1: in a hashtag, our producer would just be jumping up
Speaker 1: and down. NFL A t L. We're not really like
Speaker 1: a hashtag group. I hate to break it to you.
Speaker 1: We're not organized enough. I don't think. Well, this has
Speaker 1: been a crash course for Crystal, who seems to be
Speaker 1: very organized, and she's trying to the soldiers. But the soldiers,
Speaker 1: you know, we're a little rag tag. So Crystal, I
Speaker 1: apologize that the past week sometimes not everything goes to plan, right,
Speaker 1: That's right. But at the end of this season, you
Speaker 1: guys will all be speaking in hashtag Yeah. I have
Speaker 1: a sense that Crystal is Yeah, she's not gonna sit
Speaker 1: with our style for long. She's whipping us into secret
Speaker 1: kind of like a forty five year old middle manager
Speaker 1: because she loves meetings. She just loves having meetings. Things
Speaker 1: are changing. It's kind of like a Lumberg from office
Speaker 1: spaces happen. Alright, great, no, we appreciate it Crystal because
Speaker 1: we need to run her. But alright, so third, it
Speaker 1: is now Friday, Thursday night. We had four games, um,
Speaker 1: so let's just get right into the right into a
Speaker 1: breakdown of those. Greg, you wrote up the piece with
Speaker 1: the help of Chris and I breaking down what we learned,
Speaker 1: um eighteen facts. But why didn't you jump get us started? Greg?
Speaker 1: What was the big takeaway on Thursday night? I couldn't
Speaker 1: help but think about our friend Mark here and the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, uh, just because it's like they can't have
Speaker 1: nice things. It's like, right when Brandon weed And is
Speaker 1: looking so good, people are talking preseason m v P
Speaker 1: or I was talking kind of tugging cheek there that
Speaker 1: all goes well, then there's a bunch of injuries and
Speaker 1: and that, to me kind of was the story of
Speaker 1: the night, the Browns injuries along with Weed and Mark.
Speaker 1: What what was your reaction watching at home? You're the
Speaker 1: only one that had the night off from work. Wow,
Speaker 1: we got to get that in there. Don't mean well, no,
Speaker 1: I was actually watching the game closely and uh, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: I mean, as a Browns fan at this point, I'm
Speaker 1: a little dead inside. So I saw all these people
Speaker 1: were tweeting at me, saying, oh, Mark Sessler must be
Speaker 1: so excited about Brandon Weed and what's happening in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: It's like, honestly, it's all it's the middle of August.
Speaker 1: Let's keep our expectations in check. And yeah, by the
Speaker 1: end of the night, a laundry list of injuries essentially
Speaker 1: put expectations back where they should be in a very
Speaker 1: dark First of all, I can attest to the darkness
Speaker 1: and the deadness within you, several of us. But what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say was Mark sent me an instant
Speaker 1: message before the game started, and I think this was
Speaker 1: more because again, Mark was, you know, in his little
Speaker 1: back room watching the games with a you know, a
Speaker 1: corona with alignment and probably and he said, I have
Speaker 1: a feeling there's going to be a potentially serious injury
Speaker 1: to a major players and I it was a psych
Speaker 1: was a psychic feeling that just washed over me and
Speaker 1: I needed to share it with someone shared it with me.
Speaker 1: And I just think there's something, um cosmically hilarious that
Speaker 1: half your roster uh went under during that game? Do
Speaker 1: you there had to be some type of tie there.
Speaker 1: Hilarious maybe not the word, especially for the franchise, but
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I do look at those injuries, and
Speaker 1: there was a varying level of severity, but it looks
Speaker 1: like most of them will be back outside of Dion
Speaker 1: Lewis potentially by two three. And and to Greg's point
Speaker 1: about Brandon Weed, and I looked in both directions and
Speaker 1: just casually hopped aboard the Brandon weedon hype train. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited the guy this is he I don't know
Speaker 1: big guy, I know preseason whatever making Big throws beautiful
Speaker 1: touch pass to Josh Morrigan. He's got his friend camera
Speaker 1: the tight end that looks like a playmaker in that offense,
Speaker 1: I'm sneaky in right now. You know what's funny to
Speaker 1: me is that you and Mark both jumped on the
Speaker 1: Brandon Whedon train before. Rob Chatzynski, this is the biggest
Speaker 1: force in the NFL right now. You're referring to quarterback
Speaker 1: quick competition. Shud did not still not announcing the Today,
Speaker 1: Chatzinski gathers the media together and says, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 1: I know. Weeden is leading, leading the preseason in passer rating,
Speaker 1: has taken every first team rep throughout offseason acts and
Speaker 1: training camp. But I'm not ready to name a quarterback
Speaker 1: yet because we've got this fierce battle going with Jason Campbell,
Speaker 1: who is purely a backup. I mean, it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a farce. But then you look in Buffalo. They've
Speaker 1: got Kevin Cobbs starting tonight. Yeah, but he's taken first.
Speaker 1: He's starting. I just think it is and he cannot win.
Speaker 1: You gotta reward the guy for what he's done these
Speaker 1: last two weeks and the fact that he's taking every
Speaker 1: rep he's gonna start. So why do we need to
Speaker 1: go through this farce? Well? Wait, why are you? Why
Speaker 1: are three people angry at me about it? Like I'm
Speaker 1: the guy that, for you know, twenty five years, hasn't
Speaker 1: even understood the feeling of a potential franchise quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see Weed in that way on any level.
Speaker 1: I think the organization is also skittish about him from
Speaker 1: the top down. I think their plan is to draft
Speaker 1: someone after this season. This has a feel of back
Speaker 1: when Schud was last with the Browns. Derrick Anderson blows
Speaker 1: up in two thousand seven, they pumped the brakes on
Speaker 1: any idea of drafting or grooming another past when they
Speaker 1: give him a big contract, the entire shop mills the
Speaker 1: next season, Mark, I feel like we're ganging up on you.
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of exciting things. First of all,
Speaker 1: they've lost their starting guards and hopefully they come back.
Speaker 1: But otherwise, you know, Mingo is gonna be back. Louis
Speaker 1: ultimately is a backup running back. They can survive that.
Speaker 1: They have decent depth there anyways. But I like watching
Speaker 1: Weeden because when when he's making mistakes in this game,
Speaker 1: it's all vertical, it's all down the field. He's getting protected. Well,
Speaker 1: they're being aggressive. They're kind of fun to watch. Well.
Speaker 1: The core differences. Pat Schirmer was coaching an offense last
Speaker 1: season that couldn't have been a worse fit. He's got
Speaker 1: better coaching in an offense that suits what what. He is,
Speaker 1: a big armed guy. I'm not sure they're all going
Speaker 1: to go to the right team, but there you go. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we can get back to the Browns for a
Speaker 1: f C North preview in a few minutes with our
Speaker 1: very special guests. Who's now behind the glass. We still
Speaker 1: have not told the public who it is, but we're
Speaker 1: a good looking man, very good, lucky, rugged, good looking man.
Speaker 1: But okay, so the other are the other big takeaway
Speaker 1: Greg from Thursday night, I think you gotta go look
Speaker 1: at how well Michael Vick played. And I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of talk. Wow, both Michael Vick and Nick Foles
Speaker 1: have looked great. What a good problem to have. This
Speaker 1: is such a close battle and they've only had four
Speaker 1: possessions each. But Nick Foles has turned the ball over
Speaker 1: twice in those four possessions. I don't think it's that close.
Speaker 1: Vick has been more or less perfect. You couldn't ask
Speaker 1: for him to do anything more in the preseason. Foles
Speaker 1: has you know, he fumbled it twice last night on
Speaker 1: top of the interception. He's made mistakes. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they're not going to name Vick the starter now,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it really makes a difference. This
Speaker 1: is a fun, a really fun offense to watch. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I have much more to add to that.
Speaker 1: Vick's better, he's a better player, he's a better fit
Speaker 1: for the system. It's a no brainer. Four tight ends
Speaker 1: on the field. I know that was getting Mark really
Speaker 1: likes the scheme variation. I mean, Chip Kelly's not trying
Speaker 1: to show too much, but they were playing very fast,
Speaker 1: showing a lot of different formations. I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be I don't know. I was. I was picking the
Speaker 1: Eagles to win the division in the middle of the summer,
Speaker 1: and now I'm feeling even better about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the big question going into yesterday and Dan
Speaker 1: wrote about it, was Okay, we have all this attention
Speaker 1: on the offense, but the defense doesn't look markedly improved
Speaker 1: from Laton last season, and it was a disaster last season.
Speaker 1: So what happens with this team on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. Can are they more than eight and eight
Speaker 1: team when you put the defense in the equation last night.
Speaker 1: This game was not one of the games I watched,
Speaker 1: but I do know that Cam Newton and the Panther's
Speaker 1: offense they even left in Newton longer because they were
Speaker 1: not getting a foothold. Was that more about the Panthers
Speaker 1: struggling on offense or the Eagles defense being a little better. Well,
Speaker 1: they've completely scrapped the three option for the most part,
Speaker 1: like they don't. They look really different than last year,
Speaker 1: and Shula has looks like he's put it into more
Speaker 1: base offense. That just has Cam Newton stressing more of
Speaker 1: the past. I don't know, maybe there's some adjustment there,
Speaker 1: but they were saying it was a better offense for him.
Speaker 1: He missed some throws, Steve Smith didn't want to go
Speaker 1: over the middle, made some business decisions because the preseason
Speaker 1: they really the only touchdown they scored I think in
Speaker 1: eight possessions is preseason is when they got a short field.
Speaker 1: So they haven't played well and I think it just
Speaker 1: raises the question. In Carolina, Mike Seula has pretty much
Speaker 1: destroyed any offense that he's run. I mean, he he
Speaker 1: leaves Alabama and they become the greatest college football jugger,
Speaker 1: not of the last you know, fifty years. Uh, he
Speaker 1: hasn't done much as a pro coordinator either. I think
Speaker 1: that's a fair assessment. Mike Shula has shown nothing that
Speaker 1: will lead us to believe he can run a creative,
Speaker 1: imaginative NFL offense. But it's the preseason, so that right,
Speaker 1: Like that's the point, Like they haven't shown any read option. Well,
Speaker 1: the Redskins didn't show any read option last preseason either.
Speaker 1: You know, they could be waiting to unleash this. Why
Speaker 1: does Mike Schula get hired? If you know, universally he's
Speaker 1: seen as kind of a slump, He's not gotta done.
Speaker 1: What was that? Well, this is just a theory of mine,
Speaker 1: but these things tend to happen with the mom and
Speaker 1: pop football operations like the Bengals do this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe not as much recently, but they hired his brother Dave,
Speaker 1: who lasted for way too many years as the head coach.
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera is probably on the hottest seat in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He can't go and pick his choice of assistance. Joined
Speaker 1: his staff. Sheula has been Cam Newton's guy. Cam is
Speaker 1: excited about it. I think it's a little early that
Speaker 1: the thing with the preseason his sample size. I mean,
Speaker 1: ultimately they've only had eight possessions, so it's not that
Speaker 1: big a deal. Okay. So we did the a f
Speaker 1: C East preview on Wednesday. Now we moved to the
Speaker 1: a f C North and more importantly, now we welcome
Speaker 1: in our special surprise guest. He is the man that
Speaker 1: in some ways helped birth the Around the League podcast
Speaker 1: by giving Mark and I are start. He is a
Speaker 1: legend in his own time, the great Dave damashek the godfather.
Speaker 1: What's the poop fellas you? Okay, Dave, little fragile. That
Speaker 1: was pretty grim acting. I am okay, yes, my voice,
Speaker 1: Jill as it is now finally Mac matches my ego
Speaker 1: when I have emotionally going. It's nice to have another
Speaker 1: Jew in the studio. Yes, I know this place now
Speaker 1: Mike Silver is joined the NFL network. This place is
Speaker 1: getting lousy with Jews. Alright. So we had we had
Speaker 1: rich Eyes and last week, now we got damagetaking this week.
Speaker 1: Monday was that Monday? Okay, So we brought David because
Speaker 1: it is time to talk to the a f C North,
Speaker 1: and I think, like we did on Wednesday, we're gonna
Speaker 1: each the four of us a t L guys are
Speaker 1: going to pose a question, and since Dave is here,
Speaker 1: let's get right to it with the Pittsburgh Steelers and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal will be the man asking the question. My
Speaker 1: question for the group, and we'll start with Dave uh
Speaker 1: is do we think Ben Roethlisberger still has an m
Speaker 1: v P type of season in him? Well, I if
Speaker 1: we can pick up where last season started until the
Speaker 1: time of his injury, that I don't know that was
Speaker 1: overstating things to say it almost killed him, But until
Speaker 1: that point he really was having an m v P
Speaker 1: type season. I mean the Steelers in obviously we're a
Speaker 1: flawed team, and yet they were positioned pretty well. They
Speaker 1: were an almost certainty for the playoffs until that injury.
Speaker 1: So I guess based on that, yes, talent wise and
Speaker 1: everything else. The problem is, of course, is what he's
Speaker 1: got going on or what he doesn't have going on
Speaker 1: in terms of pass catchers. Antonio Brown your number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver, don't know if I buy that one. Heath Miller,
Speaker 1: we don't know where he's gonna be. So the pieces
Speaker 1: surrounding him, bringing the question how effective he can be
Speaker 1: in how effective the offense can be. You had Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown on the Dave Damn Check Football program, correct, I did.
Speaker 1: In fact, I had tailor on and uh the shutdown
Speaker 1: corner of course, and we'll have that for you early
Speaker 1: next week. Will be on the lookout for that. But
Speaker 1: that's how, that's what. And also another corporate word is synergy,
Speaker 1: and that's what we have going on right now. Like
Speaker 1: Taylor a f C North all work. You know. Now
Speaker 1: you guys are previewing the North. You see how one
Speaker 1: hand watches the other. It's perfect. Um, yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: the ike exactly what we're talking about. I said, Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1: I like him very much. He's been terrific, you know,
Speaker 1: more consistent even than Mike Wallace over the last few years.
Speaker 1: But is he a number one wide receiver? And he said,
Speaker 1: your damn right, he is. And you know got it.
Speaker 1: I'll take him over. I'll take him one on one
Speaker 1: over anybody in the league. I said, he's not as
Speaker 1: good as a J. Green and he said, yes, he is.
Speaker 1: I assume that this is being supportable the teammate and
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can read into it
Speaker 1: beyond that. I think the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: at a time in the NFL. Where are Pal Warren
Speaker 1: SAP says, the middle of the field is the auto bonn. Now,
Speaker 1: the Steelers have no fast cars, no a k A,
Speaker 1: no tight ends to to take advantage of that. So
Speaker 1: it's uh, I you know, I am skeptical of what
Speaker 1: the Steeler's offense is gonna look like this year. The
Speaker 1: Steeler fan is down a little bit, can't. You're not
Speaker 1: just you, though, I mean the average Steeler fan teams
Speaker 1: down in the dumps. Yeah, I feel like Tennessee probably
Speaker 1: has the biggest range of um of possibilities that I
Speaker 1: could see Tennessee going four and twelve. I could also
Speaker 1: see them going to the playoffs. In fact, as a
Speaker 1: glass a full sort, I will put them into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But I think the Steelers and the Ravens as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact have a big range in that room.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see the Steelers a seven and nine,
Speaker 1: six and ten bunch. But then again, it wouldn't stun
Speaker 1: me the way the last you know, fifteen years or
Speaker 1: so gone for this team. They don't stay down long,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be stunned to see them back as
Speaker 1: a quick as side. We the around the league, team,
Speaker 1: everyone moving their desks got moved around today and we
Speaker 1: got moved to a section now that gets us very
Speaker 1: close to where Warren Sapps saddles up um every once
Speaker 1: in a while when he makes his special visits to
Speaker 1: the newsroom. It's got louder in our area. Now you
Speaker 1: better watch out, man, I will well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything bad Warren's app Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: great man. But check who came. Men walks right up
Speaker 1: to Sap. They have a rapport. You guys are kind
Speaker 1: of boys. That's a whole family. What I'm a human being.
Speaker 1: I went up to him and said, muscle tu, I'm
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame speech and everything. Did you have
Speaker 1: fun like I I encourage you know, I demand as
Speaker 1: as another citizen of earth? Did you do the same
Speaker 1: as soon as this podcast dance? Who are you? You
Speaker 1: don't go over to them and say, hey, nice work, fellow,
Speaker 1: I should kiss the ring. You're saying, that's not kissing
Speaker 1: the ring. Do you say at any job in the world,
Speaker 1: hey I heard something good happening for you. Good for you, Bob.
Speaker 1: I guess I guess SAP with SAP is you know
Speaker 1: a little intimidating. You're a SAP. You're being a SAP.
Speaker 1: He's Warren Sap. I like SAP likes to mix it up.
Speaker 1: I mean he we were talking Tannehill the other day,
Speaker 1: me and a guy on the desk, and he just
Speaker 1: jumps in there. He's like, you're wrong, and he he
Speaker 1: tells me why I'm wrong. You misunderstood what I was saying.
Speaker 1: But it's still like that. Yeah, it was Actually he
Speaker 1: was trying to say that I was too down on
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, which is like, we know that's not true.
Speaker 1: It's the opposite of right. But I just like the
Speaker 1: fact that he cared enough to like jump into our
Speaker 1: conversation and just get in the mix. Okay, so all right,
Speaker 1: sorry for that little detour, but let's let's move on.
Speaker 1: And so we got the Steelers West. Why don't you
Speaker 1: give us a little Bengals question? Well, I promised you
Speaker 1: guys a mind blowing stat here. It is only two
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in NFL history, Dan Marino and Peyton Manning have
Speaker 1: more touchdowns through two seasons than Andy Dalton. M Is
Speaker 1: this the Andy Dalton we're getting this year? Or are
Speaker 1: we getting the guy who crumbles down the stretch and
Speaker 1: disappears in the playoffs. Judging by the way you said crumbles,
Speaker 1: I know how you feel. In anti Bengals as always,
Speaker 1: he's in the closet. I don't know if k if
Speaker 1: you knew this, but West is in the closets of
Speaker 1: Bengals fan. But he said he swore off the team
Speaker 1: because of the ownership. No, of course I am familiar
Speaker 1: with West. He joined us on the podcast UH last week.
Speaker 1: I think after you, he's one of my I listen
Speaker 1: schedules get muddled, and that's what happened. But listen. West
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite editions of to UH to
Speaker 1: the NFL. I love his homespun ways and that code
Speaker 1: for I think I lived on him before I came
Speaker 1: to l A. Every there's big buildings out here and
Speaker 1: it's cars. I love that I've turned into gummer pile.
Speaker 1: Have you ever eating? You ever heard about it in movies?
Speaker 1: You heard about this sushi? That's pretty close to the truth.
Speaker 1: Now listen, and if you want to hear anymore this impersonation,
Speaker 1: just come down to our news room. Dave will be
Speaker 1: doing it. We try to work now that its n
Speaker 1: f l A m impressions are no longer useful. He
Speaker 1: just let me tell you this. Let me tell you this, West,
Speaker 1: I understand any Bengals and cynicism, but and this is
Speaker 1: not the hard hard knocks effect happening to me every year.
Speaker 1: Of course, when you watch the show, the producers of
Speaker 1: it are incentive to make the team compelling ergo. You
Speaker 1: come away with it thinking, wow, this is a what
Speaker 1: a collection? How does this team not win the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: In this case though, I really buy the Bengals and
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is the lone question save maybe Drake er
Speaker 1: Patrick and some issues on that back end in the defense.
Speaker 1: But you know they have the best front seven barn
Speaker 1: on in the NFL. Right, They have some nice pieces
Speaker 1: in the secondary at least on offense, a good offensive
Speaker 1: line too good, and different kind of runners, uh, dynamic
Speaker 1: back in Bernard potentially the pass catchers are everywhere. Snow
Speaker 1: gets hurt, but when he does last year in his
Speaker 1: rookie season, he's starting to shape up as being a
Speaker 1: legitimate option there. And then you have the a f
Speaker 1: c S version of Calvin Johnson. Unless Andy Dalton is
Speaker 1: just an abject bum. You know it's not that he does.
Speaker 1: He certainly doesn't have to be some electric QB. He
Speaker 1: just has to be again, one of those guys who's capable.
Speaker 1: He has to be in the top half of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna put up a big number. I
Speaker 1: put him. I put him right in the middle there.
Speaker 1: I put him right in the middle. And let's assume
Speaker 1: that given that he can't rely on a lot of
Speaker 1: the qbs that have had their big breakouts in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, can all almost across the board
Speaker 1: rely on running away from trouble, and that creates an
Speaker 1: extra that creates an extra issue for defenses to contend with.
Speaker 1: They don't know what that guy's gonna do. There's been
Speaker 1: a league wide attempt to to um react to the
Speaker 1: running quarterback when the plays are designed to do that. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton isn't going to be that. He also doesn't
Speaker 1: have a rifle for an arm. But like I say,
Speaker 1: if you keep them upright with that running game, with
Speaker 1: those weapons, that offense is going to score a lot
Speaker 1: of points. I like him from a fantasy standpoint, even
Speaker 1: and and beyond, I think that team is d class
Speaker 1: of the a f C this year. See I disagree
Speaker 1: with you on on Dalton. I'll tell you why, because
Speaker 1: I think you talk about low floor, high ceiling type
Speaker 1: quarterbacks where you just sort of don't know what you
Speaker 1: can get. But if he's on, he's gonna take your
Speaker 1: team real far. With Dalton, I feel like he's not
Speaker 1: gonna vary too far from one game or one season
Speaker 1: to the next. He's not going to be a bum,
Speaker 1: but he's not the guy that they're gonna They're gonna
Speaker 1: be a situation where Dalton has to rescue them out
Speaker 1: of a dark place. I just haven't seen that from him,
Speaker 1: and in too Big and I know I always harp
Speaker 1: with you, Dave on that Bengals Texans playoff matchup, which
Speaker 1: was a complete snooze fest, But that, to me is
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton in a big spot. I welcome for him
Speaker 1: to prove me wrong, but in two big playoff games
Speaker 1: he went to sleep. And I don't see him as
Speaker 1: a playoff or a super Bowl type quarterback. At this point,
Speaker 1: you're making the exact same point I was gonna make.
Speaker 1: And I'll borrow something from Chuck Closterman where he says
Speaker 1: some things are underrated, some things are overrated, some things
Speaker 1: are properly rated. Andy Dalton is properly rated. To me,
Speaker 1: he's like a seventeenth best quarterback in football. I don't
Speaker 1: really see him ever sending much higher or lower than that.
Speaker 1: I think he's the middle of the quarterback. Put a
Speaker 1: great team around him, the team could still be a
Speaker 1: real playoff contender. In my opinion, that's overrated. He's not
Speaker 1: that good. He's not even the middle of the past. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I could come up with twenty.
Speaker 1: I think before you get does that? Does anyone not
Speaker 1: remember last December, every game that Andy Dalton played, he
Speaker 1: just sat there and held the ball against the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Was awful in that in that playoff game. I mean
Speaker 1: that was one of the worst playoff performances you could have.
Speaker 1: Let's not forget who their head coaches in a big spot.
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis game managements that the guy that that you
Speaker 1: want running the ship. So I think when you're head coach,
Speaker 1: I he's good at running a team, but he's not
Speaker 1: a great, you know, kind of game day coach and
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks. Andy Dalton, to me, he hasn't shown that
Speaker 1: he's even that middle tier. I'd much rather have a
Speaker 1: guy like let's say Jay Cutler, who probably would be
Speaker 1: middle middle of the pack. While first of all, I
Speaker 1: will say that while it's a fascile sort of comparison
Speaker 1: year to year, though, would we have said anything different
Speaker 1: about what the way you just described Dandy Dalton? What
Speaker 1: would be What would anybody have said about Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: already and he has a big arm, get I get that.
Speaker 1: But and that's a valid point. But what you said specifically,
Speaker 1: this is completely anecdotal. I know this is one time,
Speaker 1: but when the season was on the line for the
Speaker 1: Bengals in the final seconds in hines Field against a
Speaker 1: good statistically it wasn't just a big game he and
Speaker 1: I know I know he was, I absolutely know he
Speaker 1: was lousy for the bulk of that game. But with
Speaker 1: twenty seconds left on the clock and potentially even in
Speaker 1: the season, he threw a strike on a tough I
Speaker 1: mean a tough throw to the Sideline's talking into the playoffs. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: could be a good comp I like, we gotta keep
Speaker 1: moving here, all right, let's move on now. Uh Brown's
Speaker 1: he talked about them at the top of the show.
Speaker 1: But I will now pose a question and we'll tie
Speaker 1: back into Weeden because I liked in the news room
Speaker 1: West and Mark are getting a little catty with each
Speaker 1: other while I was trying to bang out content about Weed.
Speaker 1: And I am going to say that this do since
Speaker 1: I have now hopped on the bandwagon. I'm saying thirty
Speaker 1: one touchdowns and ninety two rating yards? Am I crazy
Speaker 1: to think that Brandon Weeden could become a top tier
Speaker 1: not top tier, mid to top tier quarterback? Are you making?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're beans. Are Cathtic lives in
Speaker 1: a world where there's only twenty quarterbacks for Andy Dalton's
Speaker 1: rank and there's only four yards? I mean, suddenly Brandon
Speaker 1: Weeden would be Tom Brady. Then I listened. I listened
Speaker 1: to our podcast where we did the records predictions, and
Speaker 1: I thought everybody was playing a little safe. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be the guy that goes out and says weed
Speaker 1: and steps up becomes a big playmaking quarterback. But am
Speaker 1: I crazy? Sounds like I am? Yeah, I I just listen.
Speaker 1: I think the problem with Cleveland is that something happens
Speaker 1: to that team every season where by week four or five,
Speaker 1: I've the roster has been absolutely plagued with injuries. Were
Speaker 1: already seeing it and there's just not enough depth around him.
Speaker 1: I slightly these other teams, like the Ravens, they can
Speaker 1: lose a bunch of players and still survived the season.
Speaker 1: They did it last year. They lost Suggs, they lost
Speaker 1: ray Lewis for a stretch, they found their way out
Speaker 1: of that. Cleveland hasn't learned to do that. And I
Speaker 1: just don't see weed And as a guy that can
Speaker 1: command that kind of, you know, leadership from week to week.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with Brandon Wheat. He's the fourth oldest
Speaker 1: guy on the roster and he's he shouldn't be in
Speaker 1: a condition in his NFL career where he's still developing.
Speaker 1: He was inaccurate last year at six ft four he
Speaker 1: led the NFL and batted passes and he showed poor
Speaker 1: pocket presence. How am I supposed to believe that a
Speaker 1: guy who's thirty years old is gonna get better? Is
Speaker 1: North Turner? I think the quarterback whisper? But why is
Speaker 1: norv Turner the reason his absence, the reason that Philip
Speaker 1: rivers a race last night is going to improve and
Speaker 1: have a revival. But then North Turner in Cleveland, his
Speaker 1: presence there is the reason that Weeden's gonna grow. I
Speaker 1: mean that doesn't make complete sayes it does because the
Speaker 1: offensive line was such rubbish in San Diego. North Turner
Speaker 1: requires that his QB hold the ball for an extra
Speaker 1: half second when the offensive line is atrocious, especially with
Speaker 1: that weird oh throwing motion and diminished arm strength. For
Speaker 1: Phil Rivers, I don't care what anybody there says. He
Speaker 1: obviously ain't spending it the way he was in the
Speaker 1: first five to seven years of his career. Now you got,
Speaker 1: I think this place obviously right in the Weeden's hands
Speaker 1: is a guy who can push it downfield. I would
Speaker 1: like in him too. I mean, big play QB. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know he'll be like j Schrader. I know that's
Speaker 1: not a compliment, but I bet you you we'll see
Speaker 1: plenty of highlights over the course of the season of
Speaker 1: him hitting Gordon for for a big one. The problem
Speaker 1: is he'll throw some picks as well. I think you
Speaker 1: nailed at those, Sessler. Why the cond Why why this
Speaker 1: weird controversy? Why would why is it anybody's anybody actually
Speaker 1: looking at Jason Taylor. It's because the franchise, the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and beyond. I don't want to own weed. That's
Speaker 1: West that actually to hang a banner from their team
Speaker 1: headquarters saying both Campbell and Weedon are eminently available for
Speaker 1: draft picks right now. Well, our firmer colleague was on record,
Speaker 1: and that's the general manager of the team of what
Speaker 1: he thought about Brandon Weeden. I mean, and they've tried
Speaker 1: to kind of back away from those comments. But Michael,
Speaker 1: I mean, he said what he said. It was a
Speaker 1: lousy draft pick. The offense fits him though, right it does.
Speaker 1: It does, And actually, I mean it's really Weedon's opportunity
Speaker 1: to change minds. I think that you know, you go
Speaker 1: back a month ago, everyone that's visited this team over
Speaker 1: training camp says Cleveland's not sold on weed and they
Speaker 1: don't believe he's the guy. They're already looking at the
Speaker 1: draft next season. If we didn't continues to play and grow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they're going to adapt to that. But right
Speaker 1: now the thinking, I don't think in Cleveland this is
Speaker 1: our guy for the long haul. You guys just wait,
Speaker 1: just get ready for the big season. By the way,
Speaker 1: and by the way, on defense, the individual pieces again,
Speaker 1: it's all about these days. It seems to me that
Speaker 1: the idea of the notion of a shutdown defense that
Speaker 1: holds the other team to ten points or forewer is
Speaker 1: you know, out the window. Largely, they have at least playmakers.
Speaker 1: What you want are guys that can take it away
Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's exactly what they have all
Speaker 1: over the field. Now, they could be very good on defense,
Speaker 1: and Ray Horton was a huge addition. I mean, they
Speaker 1: could be right there with everyone else in this division
Speaker 1: on defense. Okay, let's move on to the defending Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champions, Baltimore Ravens. All Right, when I look at
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the question, you know, I guess we're a
Speaker 1: little quarterback heavy. But I look at what Flacco did
Speaker 1: from basically the start of the playoffs through the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He erased everyone's negative feelings about him. For that month,
Speaker 1: he was supreme. But now we're at the start of
Speaker 1: a new season, and as Flacco goes, the Ravens go
Speaker 1: to something great. I think that defense is arguably better
Speaker 1: than they were last year. Younger, we'll Flacca at the
Speaker 1: end of the season. What will we think about him?
Speaker 1: Will we think he was the guy we thought he
Speaker 1: was before the playoffs lash year? Or does he grow
Speaker 1: from where he was. I think Greg made the great
Speaker 1: point when Pitta got injured originally, which is this is
Speaker 1: a guy who you know, showing that he could carry
Speaker 1: a team in the playoffs, that has shown flashes of
Speaker 1: being the guy. But now for them really to be
Speaker 1: real contenders, he needs to carry this team. He needs
Speaker 1: to show he could do. That four game run he
Speaker 1: had was as electric as any quarterback is gonna play.
Speaker 1: I mean, remember we were there sitting at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You could not have played a better half of football
Speaker 1: then Joe Flacco did in that first half. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was incredible. I I tend to think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be kind of like Eli Manning after he won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, especially the second time, and carry it over
Speaker 1: and and be better. Uh. It might not show up
Speaker 1: in with great, great statistics, but I think he's ready
Speaker 1: to be better over the course of the season. You
Speaker 1: can extend that stretch longer than four games. He was
Speaker 1: I think had a one oh six one oh seven
Speaker 1: passer rating and a fifteen to one in touchdown interception
Speaker 1: ratio from the time Cam Cameron was replaced by Caldwell,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you. He does remind me a
Speaker 1: little bit of Eli Manning. I think he's he can
Speaker 1: be even better than Eli Manning, but I expect him.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's gonna struggle a little bit early
Speaker 1: in the season without Pitta and Bolden were his two
Speaker 1: best possession receivers last year. He's gonna struggle without a
Speaker 1: go to receiver. But I expect him to keep getting
Speaker 1: better and to kind of stabilize and keep at this
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback level. I think he's in with the
Speaker 1: way we regard him statistically fantasy and otherwise. I guess
Speaker 1: that's a good gauge as how he finishes in fantasy numbers,
Speaker 1: but in you know, in terms of practical wins and
Speaker 1: loss as a fantasy guy. Now, well, listen, there's a
Speaker 1: way to gauge them. But by the way, under Fabriano,
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say to you, Rosenthal. I agree. It's
Speaker 1: funny when when you start throwing out, or anybody throws out,
Speaker 1: like is this guy a top top ten QB or whatever,
Speaker 1: everybody always just sort of excused to like, yes he is,
Speaker 1: he's in the top ten. Well, yeah, that's easy to
Speaker 1: say in a vacuum. But let's list them out and
Speaker 1: actually see if he finishes in your opt in. Once
Speaker 1: you actually put the names down in front of you
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, then they tend to fall out.
Speaker 1: I think he's not in the top ten qbs one
Speaker 1: and two. I feel like as great as he was
Speaker 1: in the month of January, um and Kuan Bolden made
Speaker 1: I've said this a million times before, and now I
Speaker 1: shall say it for the million and first, he made
Speaker 1: so many strong catches, physical catches in traffic that UM
Speaker 1: that made Flacco look good to some degree and made
Speaker 1: the difference in and not just the Super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: but specifically the Super Bowl and beyond that Dennis Pitt.
Speaker 1: I mean, look in terms of just raw numbers Pitta
Speaker 1: and bold and how many of the touchdown passes that
Speaker 1: he threw in the postseason were caught by those two guys.
Speaker 1: They're not there now. Tory Smith is very good obviously
Speaker 1: the speed and everything else. Can he catch the ball consistently?
Speaker 1: He hasn't shown an ability to do that. I I
Speaker 1: feel like he is. Joe Flacco is a fine QB.
Speaker 1: I will say he's certainly in the top half of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the league. But I don't think he's sorry.
Speaker 1: I know everybody loves the adjective elite. I don't put
Speaker 1: him into that category, even though I'm not exactly sure
Speaker 1: what it means. Okay, so let's now go around and
Speaker 1: uh pick the records for the a f C North. Okay,
Speaker 1: we will start with Mark Cesler. All right, I go
Speaker 1: uh Pittsburgh to win this division. It's like you, we
Speaker 1: were just deciding that as you were saying it. I
Speaker 1: was eleven and five with a rebound year. They do
Speaker 1: this whenever they have a bad year, they come back
Speaker 1: and they the Steelers don't slum for long. Eleven and five,
Speaker 1: Baltimore ten and six, Bengals nine and seven, Browns four
Speaker 1: and twelve. Jeez, alright, West, I also have the Steelers
Speaker 1: win in the division at the same record eleven and five,
Speaker 1: Bengals ten and six, tied with the Ravens for ten
Speaker 1: and six. All three teams make the playoffs. M and
Speaker 1: Brown's bringing up the rear at four and twelve. No
Speaker 1: love for the Brown I felt like Mark was just
Speaker 1: being harsh on himself because it's his team setting the
Speaker 1: bar low. But someone's got to lose those games. If
Speaker 1: you got the top heavy, Greg, let's see you, I
Speaker 1: thought I was being cool, you know, coming up with
Speaker 1: the Steelers winning the division. Now we all have the
Speaker 1: Steelers winning the division. The Steelers are apparently the favorites,
Speaker 1: damnit check of the division. I got him at eleven
Speaker 1: and five, Ravens at ten and six, Bengals at nine
Speaker 1: and seven not in the playoffs, and the Browns with
Speaker 1: five wins eleven losses. Okay, I have the Bengals at
Speaker 1: eleven and five winning the division. I got the Browns
Speaker 1: going nine and seven, taking that number six seed in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, led by Brandon Weeden's all pro season. I
Speaker 1: feel like you just jumped on the like yesterday it
Speaker 1: was a bum Now that's one preseason game was heading
Speaker 1: in that direction and then he got me yesterday. Ravens
Speaker 1: also nine and seven, and the Pittsburgh Steelers seven and nine. Check.
Speaker 1: We did not give you time to plan this. But
Speaker 1: do you want to take a crack at what do
Speaker 1: you think the record? I gave him? My heads, I
Speaker 1: say this, the Bengals go twelve and four, they win
Speaker 1: the division. Like I say, you talk. Sessler laments the
Speaker 1: previous two post seasons with Texans and Bengals. Get ready
Speaker 1: Football America because that's your AFC title game this year.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm contemplating going with and this was in
Speaker 1: final but I am contemplating going with the Bengals against
Speaker 1: the Falcons in the Super Bowl. And that would be
Speaker 1: a nightmare for for marketing reasons, for for for the
Speaker 1: network and and beyond. That would be would not be
Speaker 1: excited the NFL. Alton shob That's exactly right. Cessler and
Speaker 1: I were talking about it yesterday too, that the that
Speaker 1: the NFL has gotten. You know, improbably lucky over the
Speaker 1: last decade. You know, there was the run in what
Speaker 1: was it like the late eighties early nineties where no
Speaker 1: Super Bowl was ever closed. It just seems like there
Speaker 1: was a decade of blowouts through But lately they've been
Speaker 1: almost all good games, compelling, uh, Final four and everything else.
Speaker 1: This year is the year where it catches up in
Speaker 1: the biggest media market in the world. I think this
Speaker 1: is where it catches up. It's like, whoever survives the
Speaker 1: Shop Dalton Showdown gets uh, the the impossibly charismatic Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan and company in the Super Bowl. Now there will
Speaker 1: be a blizzard as well, probably, Yeah, right, twelve and
Speaker 1: four for the Bengals, they win it. I will say
Speaker 1: for the Ravens, I think they slide back a little
Speaker 1: bit to nine and seven, which really shouldn't stunt anybody
Speaker 1: or or because really they were very close to not
Speaker 1: making the playoffs. You know, what was it? The Ray
Speaker 1: Rice play fourth in. In fact, he only got fourth in.
Speaker 1: But that's that's fair. And and also let's not forget
Speaker 1: that Jacoby Jones one them more than one game with
Speaker 1: kick returns. I know accounts, but it's not something you
Speaker 1: can plot going into a game. Well, we can probably
Speaker 1: rely on six out of out of our kicks. The
Speaker 1: Jacoby Jones introduced their preseason game last night by dancing
Speaker 1: before the game like Lewis. So, when you're replacing Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars, fourth runner up or whatever, I think
Speaker 1: you have to be unusually good to about to come
Speaker 1: back from and nfl am Hall of Famer soon and
Speaker 1: Jacoby Jones first ballot. I think it's unlikely that. I
Speaker 1: think it's unlikely that well, first Jacoby Jones. The most
Speaker 1: troubling thing to hear if you're a Ravens fan is
Speaker 1: he's now their number two wide receiver. That's that's bad news.
Speaker 1: And um so yeah, so I think so I think
Speaker 1: they fall back a little bit, let's say nine and seven,
Speaker 1: because I do agree with Cessler that probably the defense
Speaker 1: is a little bit better. But I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to come back from a Super Bowl win. The hangover
Speaker 1: that we always hear about, I think there's some merit
Speaker 1: to that. I don't think they're that special a group
Speaker 1: of player come back, all right, the Steeler crystal behind
Speaker 1: the glass having a panic. Stealers will go just what
Speaker 1: they did last year. Now you know what, I'll bump
Speaker 1: them up eight and eight. But one caveat. I know
Speaker 1: you're you want to go, but let me just say
Speaker 1: Trent Dilford for a name drop, who really understands the
Speaker 1: X and oh of course I've been saying this since
Speaker 1: last season that with that, with the Autobahn in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field and it's a passing league and
Speaker 1: everything else, I have a hunch that maybe it's as
Speaker 1: simple as Dan Rooney wanted it to be. In the
Speaker 1: Rooney family likes old school that Yinzer's in Pittsburgh, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get back to running the ball like Franco and
Speaker 1: like j was was doing this thing that I think
Speaker 1: that they are positioned to do that there because defenses
Speaker 1: are going to be that, the safeties are gonna be deeper,
Speaker 1: and so on. There's an opportunity to run the ball.
Speaker 1: If Levyan Bell is terrific and David de Castro turns
Speaker 1: it on the way expected, that line is young and
Speaker 1: potentially dominant, maybe they will turn to the philosophy. Back
Speaker 1: Trent Dilford predicted as much. That said, I don't like
Speaker 1: some of their pieces on defense. Their their secondary is old,
Speaker 1: old and old and gets hurt a lot and so on.
Speaker 1: So and then the Browns I think are better than
Speaker 1: probably you guys think. I'm gonna say for them six
Speaker 1: and ten, seven and nine ish, you know, with some
Speaker 1: with some promising signs going into So three of us
Speaker 1: have the Steelers winning the division too, not even over
Speaker 1: five hundred. I have the Bengals winning. Two of us
Speaker 1: have the bean. That's the kind of division it is. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're sleeping on Marcus Wheat and check. I like what
Speaker 1: I saw. I just don't trusting rookies, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't know is that's gonna make the difference. Why what
Speaker 1: have you seen in two preseason games or one preseason
Speaker 1: game that leave you enough confidence? Dynamic playmaking ability. All right,
Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Believe me. I hope to be wrong.
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Speaker 1: throw in a fourth and this is America's Uh. They
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Speaker 1: so far. We love the response. Let's start off with stretch.
Speaker 1: But alright, what's the only segment Carrie Williams back on
Speaker 1: the list, for a second straight week, says the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles defense is sopped. That's that's number option number one.
Speaker 1: I will throw in a fourth option. Why not? Number
Speaker 1: two on the list is Geno Smith had a brutal
Speaker 1: practice according the Rex Ryan, that's option number two. By
Speaker 1: the way, those sound effects you're hearing in the background,
Speaker 1: worked on that with Crystal this morning. So congratulations for
Speaker 1: your segment. Just got a little more exciting. Great job,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Congratulations to you for all the self congratulations.
Speaker 1: Um Deverie Henderson cut by the New Orleans Saints is
Speaker 1: option cut by the Redskins. Cut by the Redskins. Of course,
Speaker 1: I uh was opining he might join the Saints. Uh.
Speaker 1: Deverie Henderson cut by the Redskins his option number three
Speaker 1: and an option number four. Robert meetchem body has broken down.
Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers wide receiver Robert Meetchum's body has broken down.
Speaker 1: Which and they all I asked, was that was that
Speaker 1: last one? That was the one you just threw in.
Speaker 1: If I gave that away, it would kind of give
Speaker 1: away everything. Lesser strategies would would would have shared that information.
Speaker 1: I would have had a right to. We've got two
Speaker 1: former New Orleans Saints wide receivers featured. But to review,
Speaker 1: Carrie Williams says the Eagles are soft. That's number one.
Speaker 1: Gino had a brutal practice according to Rex uh Deverie Henderson,
Speaker 1: cut by Mike Shanahan and the Redskins. Or Robert Meetchum's
Speaker 1: body has broken down. That's option number four. Let's go
Speaker 1: around the room here, Dan, this is a good one.
Speaker 1: I know the Saints fan base, they're very um, They're
Speaker 1: very fervent, so I think they could be it. But
Speaker 1: I don't think either of those stories were big enough
Speaker 1: that it would be either of those. Let's say Geno
Speaker 1: Smith brutal pretty good, but I will go Dan always
Speaker 1: picks a post that he wrote, I will go with
Speaker 1: Carrie Williams saying the Eagles were soft. All right, that's
Speaker 1: Dan West. Well, I've already conceded. Did this game is
Speaker 1: way too widely for me. I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1: I do know, however, just a few months into my
Speaker 1: career with NFL, that the media cares much more about
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Jets than fans do. So
Speaker 1: it can't be Geno Smith brutal um job. I'm going
Speaker 1: with even though you appeared to try to slip us
Speaker 1: up by throwing this in at the end. I'm going
Speaker 1: with Robert Meachon's body is broken. Alright, West goes with Meetzschem.
Speaker 1: I'm going with hands us on this. Carrie Williams. Carrie Williams,
Speaker 1: who got people wrong last week, tripped chripped up a
Speaker 1: couple of people. I like to make the same mistake twice.
Speaker 1: And damn, I I agree that it is the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I think this is based on I with this game
Speaker 1: each week. I would just play to which fan bases
Speaker 1: seemed to respond to the most stuff. Philadelphia Eagles fans
Speaker 1: obviously jump in on that stuff. And you're mixing in
Speaker 1: the world champion Ravens and there and there, uh zealous
Speaker 1: fan base. That combo puts that over the top. All right, well, Mark,
Speaker 1: Dan and damask all answered Carrie Williams, and you are
Speaker 1: all wrong for a second straight week. Williams, Oh was it? Well? Whatever? Alright?
Speaker 1: And uh Chris Wesley and meet them and you are
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. What do I get. I'm gonna drinking on
Speaker 1: the moonshine early today. Wow, all right, we need yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to start tracking these and we'll have. Maybe
Speaker 1: the winner gets surprised of some kind. We are we're
Speaker 1: out of time check. Thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 1: and then we got into uh, you know, some steel
Speaker 1: or centric conversation. Otherwise, good stuff out of number twenty four.
Speaker 1: Then for that early next week. All right, so we'll
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