Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. He is all about Chris Wesley.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Connie Fox. What up, people? Hey Dan? There we go.
Speaker 1: West uh nodded his head by the way to that
Speaker 1: Money intro and congratulations to Money, who was announced officially
Speaker 1: by the l A Chargers that he is the voice,
Speaker 1: I guess, the radio voice of the Chargers. And it
Speaker 1: was called, I believe by Money himself, a once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime opportunity. And that is a major, major gig
Speaker 1: to book in this industry, to the the voice of
Speaker 1: an NFL team. Uh, it's like top of the ladder stuff.
Speaker 1: So hearty. Congratulations to Money, and I think he'll be
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing at it because he has done hundreds upon
Speaker 1: hundreds of college football games. Don pro you know he's done.
Speaker 1: He just does. He does every type of sport. He's
Speaker 1: a total pro. He's Money. He told me a story
Speaker 1: once because I did this that announcer's article last year
Speaker 1: the first time he ever did a basketball like it
Speaker 1: was a Lakers game that the longtime Lakers announcer came
Speaker 1: in and he's like, he thought it was a TV game.
Speaker 1: TV is obviously the people. It's easier. You don't have
Speaker 1: to describe the action the same way, right, And so
Speaker 1: this veteran came into the booth and said, hey man,
Speaker 1: so this is radio right, No, he's basically Money was
Speaker 1: like Money, He's like, you're doing TV right, and Money
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm a little nervous. No, it's radio.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh you are and just walked out, and
Speaker 1: Money had to just deal with the game from them.
Speaker 1: He did fine, though obviously he's obviously quite talented. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say that this is only going to help
Speaker 1: the Chargers chances of becoming the team of you know,
Speaker 1: it's possible, the possibility for sure. And uh, let's just
Speaker 1: hope he can continue to do the Money tags, because
Speaker 1: that would be you think he's getting too big Now
Speaker 1: maybe he might be hitting that territory. Now. I don't
Speaker 1: think we have any reason to fear. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: having to follow that voice if you're the next person
Speaker 1: trying to do that job for us? Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: no following it. Like Brian Greasy trying to take over
Speaker 1: for John Elway. Uh big, so much to talk about today,
Speaker 1: um on the Around the NFL podcast, So much to
Speaker 1: get to. Yesterday we were at the what is termed
Speaker 1: the NFL Media Summit. Yeah we were. Yeah, we were,
Speaker 1: which Uh I saw it, Mark as a sign of progress. Uh.
Speaker 1: The entire A T and crews invited. Mark and I
Speaker 1: were the only ones able to attend, so we were there.
Speaker 1: We got to be, you know, a little behind the
Speaker 1: curtain his old hat for Connie Fox. You've been to
Speaker 1: many of you know, this was actually my first, your
Speaker 1: first as well. I couldn't attend one two years ago
Speaker 1: and last year's was camp right. Uh So what were
Speaker 1: your thoughts Mark on the NFL Media Summit. I really,
Speaker 1: I honestly thought that it was very enjoyable. Uh, the
Speaker 1: session itself, the actual work business side of it. Uh
Speaker 1: learned a lot. But it was long, I will give
Speaker 1: it that. I think most people would agree with me
Speaker 1: that it would. It was a certain length, but nine
Speaker 1: it was nine to six, and then a dinner that
Speaker 1: essentially went six to eleven. I mean I didn't eat
Speaker 1: any dinner, but there there was an open bar and
Speaker 1: I do remember partaking of that. Yeah, there was Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was an open bar and that was fun. And
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll share some exclusive footage at some point
Speaker 1: during the week that at this point has not really
Speaker 1: been released in the masses, but Colleen did some great
Speaker 1: photography work later in the night. Of course, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a tease. It's embargoed right now. I
Speaker 1: always found find out about this stuff about twelve hours later.
Speaker 1: It's just yes. And and if you're not a if
Speaker 1: you're a listener of the show, regular listener, you know
Speaker 1: this is all kind of pointing towards them. Mark Cesler
Speaker 1: moment that was captured on video, as often happens when
Speaker 1: we have a get together as they get boozy. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing. I mean, I honestly went into yesterday
Speaker 1: saying that will not happen this time. Big right now,
Speaker 1: just laughing. It's it's it's pretty special. It's pretty special. Uh.
Speaker 1: We have so much to get to We need to
Speaker 1: go through the news. We haven't uh been with you
Speaker 1: since Thursday, so we will go through all the latest
Speaker 1: uh happenings in the NFL, UH, including more dire news.
Speaker 1: If you're a Jets fan hoping for a somewhat competitive season.
Speaker 1: We will also uh talk a little bit about what
Speaker 1: happened with Greg Rosenthal, who is not with us. He's
Speaker 1: in and don't let him tell you otherwise. Greg is
Speaker 1: in Martha's vineyard. Oh, I thought something bad happened. Not
Speaker 1: unlike the Wrong Side of the Tracks in Massachusetts, like
Speaker 1: he tries spin that one. He is in Marth has
Speaker 1: beenyard on vacation and and and we we miss him
Speaker 1: and we're looking forward to his return. But uh, right
Speaker 1: before he left, he found himself in the middle of
Speaker 1: a major beef tweef. Frankly, I was worried about him
Speaker 1: because I didn't know he was going on vacation. And
Speaker 1: then just teach you Spanish, OPI made it there, so
Speaker 1: we'll get it. We'll get into that, and then that
Speaker 1: we will spend nicely into we have a little discussion
Speaker 1: on our favorite NFL feuds through the years. Uh, and
Speaker 1: we'll circle back to the NFL Media Summit some takeaways.
Speaker 1: But before we do any of that, we'll say hi
Speaker 1: uh to the man behind the glass. He's already dropped
Speaker 1: one of the great lines of history of the show.
Speaker 1: So at this point there's nowhere to go but down.
Speaker 1: But there he is Sean Sullivan. We call him Sully.
Speaker 1: What's up? But not that much? Guys and gals. How
Speaker 1: we're doing today? We're doing great? Just one thank you,
Speaker 1: Let's do some news. Let's go. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys saw that. Of course, Rex ryan
Speaker 1: his famous line on hard knocks all those years ago,
Speaker 1: Rex and Rob were videotaped getting into a fight. Uh Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, there was ahead of a Nationville Predators game,
Speaker 1: which they're all the Raids are tied in the NHL
Speaker 1: finals right now too too with the Penguins and Rex
Speaker 1: and Rob who are I guess Rex is employed with
Speaker 1: the SPN. Rob is floating. I think he just hangs
Speaker 1: out with Rex. Now. They got into some type of
Speaker 1: pushing match that I'm sure you could find if you
Speaker 1: do a simple Google search. And then there was a
Speaker 1: report in a couple of places. I saw it in
Speaker 1: dead Spin about how Rex, you know, infamously has has
Speaker 1: a like it's got like speed, and he was, why
Speaker 1: are you looking at me when that? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, maybe mommy like speed. I
Speaker 1: don't know, all right, weird, Well, he likes women's feet,
Speaker 1: so maybe that's why I did look at you. I
Speaker 1: don't know, all right, I'm not a foot guy, so
Speaker 1: don't get like creeped out. It is the strangest thing,
Speaker 1: very very awkward, very awkward couple of moments on the
Speaker 1: show here. Yeah, I never I never understood this. But
Speaker 1: Rex is it admitted um guy into feet and he
Speaker 1: made some type of comment allegedly to a girl there
Speaker 1: Connor or uh put it. Well, we you know, we
Speaker 1: were commiserating about it because we're both Rex Ryan fans.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I hope that's not true because I always
Speaker 1: thought that Rex was a good dude. He's a little
Speaker 1: above being a creepy older guy at the bar. Are
Speaker 1: you sure telling young girl about feet? I actually I
Speaker 1: thought he was a little may or may not. A
Speaker 1: crash the bachelorette party is what the story is. That's
Speaker 1: that's the story. I don't think that the Ryan brothers
Speaker 1: are above much of anything. Maybe not, but anyway, Yes,
Speaker 1: the former coach of the Jets is off gallivanting. The
Speaker 1: Jets that he left behind are flaming. Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Yeah, let this crash play out. We're
Speaker 1: gonna let it play out the audible sound of a
Speaker 1: woman screaming there at one point. The team, which obviously
Speaker 1: is in a full on rebuild, took another step in
Speaker 1: that direction on Tuesday. In a surprise move, however, they
Speaker 1: released veteran linebacker David Harris, who was UH a every
Speaker 1: game starter since being a second round pick out of
Speaker 1: Michigan in two thousand and seven. He's missed just one
Speaker 1: game and eight years thirty three years old. UH. The
Speaker 1: quarterback of that defense, the middle linebacker, and the team
Speaker 1: caught him. And of course, in true Jets fashion, UH,
Speaker 1: it was done in a way that is easily criticized
Speaker 1: and fairly criticized. UH. David Harris practiced today with the Jets.
Speaker 1: He was with the first team defense and there working
Speaker 1: in their their nickel package, and and and UH. And
Speaker 1: then he comes off the field and he finds out
Speaker 1: he's cute. And it led to the UH agents for
Speaker 1: David Harris speaking out that that's not, you know, any
Speaker 1: way to treat UH one of the shining sons of
Speaker 1: the organization in the last decade, which is totally fair. UM.
Speaker 1: After practice, Todd Bole showed up about ten minutes late
Speaker 1: to his press conference and said that it was a
Speaker 1: quote organizational uh decision after the team's attempt to negotiate
Speaker 1: a contract reduction broke down. So Harris, the team's leading tackler,
Speaker 1: now gone. Tomarow Davis, who was picked up in that
Speaker 1: trade with the Browns last week, I guess becomes their
Speaker 1: starting linebacker. And I'll tell you what I was looking
Speaker 1: at this. The Jets have cut almost every notable veteran
Speaker 1: from last season's roster, Drill Rivas. I'll just name five here,
Speaker 1: Durell Revers, Nick Mangold, Brandon Marshall, who has traded David Harris,
Speaker 1: and Ryan Fitzpatrick. You could make a case that those
Speaker 1: were the five most important players on the roster this
Speaker 1: time last year. WHOA, this is gonna be rough. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be a rough year hanging there. Just imagine
Speaker 1: if they were rebuilding. Oh, they are rebuilding, and coach
Speaker 1: told us, I mean, this is a situation. It's like
Speaker 1: getting ugly too. The fact that they have this guy
Speaker 1: out there practicing and then they cut him right after
Speaker 1: that was a bad look. It was a bad look
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have done that. Uh, They've cleared fifty
Speaker 1: million in cap space, so there it's all pointing towards
Speaker 1: completely trying to rebuild the machine here and and the
Speaker 1: bummer to me is and I think about, we might
Speaker 1: have to get Keith on at some point this week,
Speaker 1: my dad, because a Jeff fan like me, I could
Speaker 1: medicate myself with the with the knowledge of, all right,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna working to win the Super Bowl this
Speaker 1: year anyway, Tom Brady is still around, you have a
Speaker 1: this is a good time to rebuild. Maybe if you
Speaker 1: if you do suck enough, you get the first pick
Speaker 1: next year and or a top three pick, and you
Speaker 1: could really start a real rebuild. So I can punt
Speaker 1: on this season. But then there's Jet fans like my
Speaker 1: dad who just they like to watch their favorite team
Speaker 1: on Sundays in the fall and winter and just want
Speaker 1: to see a competitive team out there. And I just
Speaker 1: don't see anyway the Jets are competitive in games, let
Speaker 1: alone winning games. Uh. They have the worst roster in
Speaker 1: the league, it looks like. And my final comment on
Speaker 1: this is, this is the darkest time I think for
Speaker 1: this organization since when they went one in fifteen off
Speaker 1: a three and thirteen under Rich Code Tight. But back
Speaker 1: then Bill Parcels came around he rode in on a
Speaker 1: white horse and fix the franchise and and really put
Speaker 1: them in the right direction for a long period. Even
Speaker 1: after he was gone, there is no white horse riding in.
Speaker 1: So it's a very it's a time of great anxiety
Speaker 1: for Jet fans, myself included. The only thing I would
Speaker 1: say is that if you're going to commit to a rebuild,
Speaker 1: the worst things that bad teams do is you only
Speaker 1: go sevent of the way. You only clear certain caprim
Speaker 1: You still keep certain players around because you want to
Speaker 1: sell tickets to a four and twelve season. They do
Speaker 1: seem very committed to getting rid of every possible asset.
Speaker 1: Cutting is much caprim and truly starting from the ground floor.
Speaker 1: That also doesn't mean that the rebuild will be successful.
Speaker 1: That's the issue. It's what they've done roughly twelve times.
Speaker 1: And you have to wonder if the how long the
Speaker 1: coach in the front office will be on the same
Speaker 1: page with this kind of situation. Because if you're Todd
Speaker 1: Bowls and you have a coaching staff to keep the
Speaker 1: the you know, their mood up, in their motivation up.
Speaker 1: This is a this is a rough roadmap ahead for
Speaker 1: those men. I think it's the most blatant attempt to
Speaker 1: solve a long running quarterback problem that I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, this scam for samaz On a
Speaker 1: in a big way. And as much as I like,
Speaker 1: I'm on the same page as that I feel for
Speaker 1: Keith hanss is of the world and I just I
Speaker 1: know that I don't get to enjoy football this season
Speaker 1: and it's June, and it's just the way it is
Speaker 1: moving on. Jeremy Macklin UH the wide receiver for the
Speaker 1: Chiefs while he used to be UH. The team made
Speaker 1: a surprise move on Friday releasing the veteran wide receiver UH.
Speaker 1: Alex Smith, the Chief's quarterback, told the Kansas City Star
Speaker 1: that he was shocked by by the move. It also
Speaker 1: came ten days after uh. Andy Reid was at Jeremy
Speaker 1: Macklin's wedding, so it all seemed like he was part
Speaker 1: of the future of this team, but apparently not. Chris Wesling.
Speaker 1: Macklin had a nice last season in Philly, blew out
Speaker 1: his knee, went to the Chiefs had a big year
Speaker 1: UH last year. It seemed like he came down to earth.
Speaker 1: Was this a situation where they thought maybe he was
Speaker 1: on the other side of the hill. I think there's
Speaker 1: a couple of things going on here. He's paid like
Speaker 1: a number one receiver, yet his season high last year
Speaker 1: was eighty two yards in a game. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill were more consistent
Speaker 1: than him, And the Chiefs also have as much as
Speaker 1: much salary cap UH concerns at any team in the league,
Speaker 1: especially going into two thousand and eight teen and planning ahead.
Speaker 1: So I think the fact that he didn't play like
Speaker 1: a number one receiver and they have salary cap issues,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the timing. I don't know makes sense,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that's what's going on. It does
Speaker 1: raise the question, what is the state of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: A team that has the best record in the NFL
Speaker 1: regular season wise for the past year and a half,
Speaker 1: that you cut your best receiver. It couldn't have been
Speaker 1: an easy decision for Andy Reid, who these two have
Speaker 1: a history going back to the Eagles and Phil they
Speaker 1: were together. Yeah, that's where Macklin was drafted and as
Speaker 1: he said that, he was just at his wedding. But
Speaker 1: last year he had that groin injury where he missed
Speaker 1: four games, and then also he lost a longtime friend
Speaker 1: who passed away, and so that also affected him, I think.
Speaker 1: But it's just it couldn't have been an easy thing
Speaker 1: for Read to do. But they have so many good, young,
Speaker 1: talented pass catchers on that team. I mean, Macklin will
Speaker 1: find work very quickly. Already the Bills are he's visiting
Speaker 1: with the Bills today. The Ravens, everyone right away said
Speaker 1: makes sense and they're interested. The Browns are looking into
Speaker 1: him as well, so he'll find work very quick. I
Speaker 1: was a little out of pocket this week and I
Speaker 1: was in pas It was the anniversary, right aversary. We're
Speaker 1: still doing it. It's happening, you know. I left the
Speaker 1: laptop at home, which made the wife very happy and
Speaker 1: kind of stay it out of it. And I was curious,
Speaker 1: did we do to NFL dot Com do a Jeremy
Speaker 1: Maclin landing spots post? Damn right, we did well. It
Speaker 1: didn't happen when I was here, that's for sure. Third
Speaker 1: basement on the Shield softball team. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: Shield in a little bit. Uh. Moving on, I hate
Speaker 1: going to the Ravens, and that's with bad news. But
Speaker 1: for the second straight show that's exactly what we have
Speaker 1: to do. UH. A day after a cornerback Tavon Young
Speaker 1: towards a c L Veterans tight end Dennis Pitta reinjured
Speaker 1: his hip and practiced, the team announced Friday. UH. This
Speaker 1: was a brutal setbackter Pitta, who of course had to
Speaker 1: dislocation um of his hips. Uh in I think back
Speaker 1: to back years, came back last season and was really
Speaker 1: one of the best UH comeback stories in football, playing
Speaker 1: all six team games, led the team with eighty six catches,
Speaker 1: which was third among tight ends in the NFL. You
Speaker 1: thought he had put this hip issue in the rear
Speaker 1: view mirror, but now it's back and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of talk that this is probably the end of the
Speaker 1: road for Dennis pit a third time injuring this hip.
Speaker 1: That's a bummer. It's a bummer, but you could also
Speaker 1: look at it the other way. An injury which everyone
Speaker 1: assumed would end his career, he came back and by
Speaker 1: my calculations, he actually led all tight ends and receptions
Speaker 1: last year, posted career highs and receptions and receiving yards
Speaker 1: a few years after everybody assumed his career was over.
Speaker 1: That's something that he can go out kind of on
Speaker 1: a positive note. Agree with you. I think if you
Speaker 1: look at like the way that Tony Romo and Jason
Speaker 1: Witten had an amazing relationship on the field, friends off it,
Speaker 1: it is pretty close with Flacco and Pitta and that
Speaker 1: he's he showed last year how big of a part
Speaker 1: of it of that offense he is. And the Ravens,
Speaker 1: who I think it's easy to assume because the Ravens
Speaker 1: have such a good reputation that they're probably gonna bounce back,
Speaker 1: go ten and six, make the playoffs. But you look
Speaker 1: at that passing game and what they have a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: They are deep at tight end, but they're not deep
Speaker 1: in the way where you've got another Pita. And suddenly
Speaker 1: you look at the wide receiver group and it's like,
Speaker 1: what's happening on third down for this team? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: just read Mike Wallace is the only player on the
Speaker 1: roster now to have caught more than thirty four passes.
Speaker 1: Hey from last year? One up that leg justin we're
Speaker 1: gonna need seven to nine field goals per game per
Speaker 1: game man, Joe Flacco, Listen, I don't think you're a fluco.
Speaker 1: Some people call you Joe Fluco. I don't, but are
Speaker 1: you trying that out on us? You're nearly okay, Let's
Speaker 1: be honest, and what I need you to do is
Speaker 1: get your team inside the forty five yard line between
Speaker 1: the forty and and let justin handle her. There's no
Speaker 1: way to motivate someone you have a problem. It's a
Speaker 1: big kicker off season for me. I'm when you label
Speaker 1: someone merely okay, that should that should set them on
Speaker 1: their way. I am. I am Sally Yep, I'm way
Speaker 1: into kickers. Like how into kickers? Two men enter, one
Speaker 1: man lives. Kickers. Baby uh is going to die out there.
Speaker 1: It's just a big thanks part um. Colin Kaepernick not dead,
Speaker 1: but his chances of playing with the Seahawks are. Hello,
Speaker 1: you your. The Seahawks added a veteran backup quarterback on Monday,
Speaker 1: but it was not Kaepernick. After a lot of speculation
Speaker 1: tieing Colin Kaepernick to the Seahawks, they go out and
Speaker 1: signed Austin Davis. Uh. Mike Garifolo, who I didn't haven't
Speaker 1: really had a chance to talk to Mike too much
Speaker 1: in my time in this industry of sport, but I
Speaker 1: did yesterday. A great guy, great guy with a nice child,
Speaker 1: and he was asking about us, and he's a very
Speaker 1: interested in how you were doing. Uh, and we were
Speaker 1: talking about his first child on the way. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: I hope that anybody hope that he's announced Republicans. We
Speaker 1: might have to just bleep that whole thing out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's sorry. We're not sure we could talk about what
Speaker 1: we just talked about. Yeah, we're not sure anyway. Uh.
Speaker 1: Moving on, he reported that David Davis is deal with
Speaker 1: to Seahawks is for the Veterans minimum with a thirty
Speaker 1: thousand dollar roster bonus if he makes the team. Uh.
Speaker 1: And Pete Carroll had this to say on Colin Kaepernick. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's starter in this league. I can't imagine that someone
Speaker 1: won't give him the chance to play. Uh, Colleen, you
Speaker 1: don't like that. I don't know. I just I can't
Speaker 1: believe that he doesn't have a job yet. I mean
Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback. He especially with the Seahawks in Seattle,
Speaker 1: that offense would have been perfect for him to be
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback. I'm just surprised by Like, do you
Speaker 1: think Austin Davis is better than Kaepernick? No? But I
Speaker 1: don't think that Mark Sanchez is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: and the Broncos decided to sign Mark. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely crow. Until we know what Colin Kaepernick, until
Speaker 1: we know what his is asking price an expected role is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about black bawling. Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: had it much worse than Kaepernick last year. Jake Cutler
Speaker 1: didn't get a visit with the Seahawks. Why is it
Speaker 1: only Kali Kaepernick? And he's certainly not like the Seahawks
Speaker 1: they I thought there was genuine interest in sitting down
Speaker 1: and talking with him and exploring it. And they probably
Speaker 1: had Austin Davis on their shore list two as another
Speaker 1: potential patch at your backup position. So he's not black again.
Speaker 1: Blackball means needs that needs to be collusion between thirty
Speaker 1: two teams, and that's not happening. Barry Bonds, that man
Speaker 1: got black bald. Colin Kaebernick not so much. I mean
Speaker 1: screenwriters in the you know the mccarthyer. That's blackball dance
Speaker 1: is like trying out all of us. Barry Bonds led
Speaker 1: the major leagues and on base percentage in his last
Speaker 1: season he had like thirty home runs, and he was
Speaker 1: just sent away from baseball halted at seven sixty two.
Speaker 1: Now is Barry we're talking baseball here, But is Barry
Speaker 1: bonn Is Barry Bond is a great person? No? Did
Speaker 1: he did? Everyone like him? No? But that that's black ball.
Speaker 1: What abouts Hall of fame he'll get in. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair, much like Barry Bonds does not have the
Speaker 1: greatest reputation as a teammate either way. Before his protest, West,
Speaker 1: First of all, again, I love having you here West, Uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that you're here. I want to
Speaker 1: give you a chance at the Mulligan here by doing this.
Speaker 1: Next this next news item on Vikings coach Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 1: who's returning to work after Oh, not on me. It
Speaker 1: was this was a Wes situation. This was Do you
Speaker 1: have another hot take on Zimmer's eye? Yeah, Zimmer turned
Speaker 1: sixty one on Monday. He's going back to work. Uh.
Speaker 1: The the Vikings and Zimmer has been cleared to return
Speaker 1: after an eighth eye surgery. He's missed workouts the past
Speaker 1: two weeks. This has been a long, long running issue.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say because maybe, yes, maybe
Speaker 1: some things I said were misconstrued as well. I'm very
Speaker 1: happy that Mike's back on the field. Seems like a
Speaker 1: good dude. And uh, you know, now it's West's turn
Speaker 1: a little mea culpoy for Christ for some of the
Speaker 1: things he said about Mike Zimmer. I am happy that
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer is back. I hope his I is doing
Speaker 1: well and that he will have full sight in both
Speaker 1: eyes for the rest of his life. I missed, I
Speaker 1: missed whatever show this occurred on. I am going to
Speaker 1: have to go back and find out what happened here.
Speaker 1: We sat after the podcast and we're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: should we cut that out? What do you think? Did
Speaker 1: we go too hard after Mike Zimmer's eye problem? That
Speaker 1: was a conversation that happened last weeklieble do it here
Speaker 1: because class acts all over right now, moving up, prehensible, Eli,
Speaker 1: we'll send that video out right now, Mark if you
Speaker 1: don't share, Okay, you guys are you guys have made
Speaker 1: good decisions all along, by the way, Eli, Apple, Wow,
Speaker 1: he has bolt up uh ten pound healthy bulk up
Speaker 1: after cutting out fatty foods from his diet. Fatty foods
Speaker 1: that were cooked by Wait a second, how did he
Speaker 1: do that from any You know what, even as I'm
Speaker 1: reading this, I hate this story as activate stupid. I
Speaker 1: ain't the on that one meto next love it, but
Speaker 1: a great addition to the show. Oh guess what's back baby?
Speaker 1: And we're the ground football bring over the battle in
Speaker 1: the NFL Altnight alright. Hank Williams Jr. Was the longtime
Speaker 1: musical voice of Monday Night Football with his song all
Speaker 1: my rowdy friends are here on Monday Night and uh
Speaker 1: the famous catchphrase are you ready for some football? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Six years ago, they dropped Hank after he made some
Speaker 1: remarks about President Barack Obama. Does anybody remember those remarks? Yes?
Speaker 1: What were there? Compared Barack Obama to Hitler. Yes, he
Speaker 1: as Barack Obama was golfing with John very good Hitler
Speaker 1: playing golf with that in Yahoo referring to the Israeli
Speaker 1: Prime Minister. That that caused ESPN to get away. But
Speaker 1: these are strange times in the world. No longer is
Speaker 1: that that big an issue, so Hank, I mean, I
Speaker 1: still think it's pretty big of an issue. They ask ESPN.
Speaker 1: They seem to be okay with it, talking about sticking
Speaker 1: in my crawl. Why is now the right time for this.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Right now is the right time
Speaker 1: because ESPN has come under heavy, heavy criticism from the
Speaker 1: propagandist right side of the political spectrum. They are in
Speaker 1: some cases boycotting ESPN for being so liberal so and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's America. They think they can appease the right
Speaker 1: by bringing Hank Williams back. And it's a blatant, blatant
Speaker 1: you know, cow tow Chris a propagandist portion of the
Speaker 1: United States. Chris Westling is hit an analytical and slam
Speaker 1: there how incisive. That is absolutely why they do this.
Speaker 1: Is anybody talking about that or is that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, I think it's pretty easy to
Speaker 1: see three and connect those dots. I mean, did anybody
Speaker 1: that's the other thing about the Hank Williams Jr. Song
Speaker 1: And let's not go cray. I mean, do we have
Speaker 1: Prianka by the way on the board still, which I love?
Speaker 1: I mean we love Panka song? I love? Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: welcome to my s Okay, Well this is such a
Speaker 1: Sessler too. I can get behind this. What happened to
Speaker 1: this so much better? What happened I got play this
Speaker 1: at the cozy, it's danceable and now you know it
Speaker 1: was you could theme it towards every team that was
Speaker 1: hosting the game. Come on, but we're moving backwards in time.
Speaker 1: I was, um, I like that song ironically, I'm and
Speaker 1: it's a bad song. Objectively, it's just not a good song.
Speaker 1: Uh And and the Faith Hill song is bad, and
Speaker 1: the Pink song before it, and the Hank Williams Junior
Speaker 1: song is bad. There's a lot of good songs in
Speaker 1: the world. What part we gonna all like start landing
Speaker 1: on some good football tellcast. Thank you for acknowledging that
Speaker 1: the Faith Hill song is a mess. Great performance though
Speaker 1: by Faith and of course carry the Carrie Underwood is
Speaker 1: is on my on my Power rankings. It's at the
Speaker 1: very well, it's just above this Hank Williams song, which
Speaker 1: the only thing I like about it is it harks
Speaker 1: back to a time when my team actually was on
Speaker 1: Monday night football a long long time. Yes, it's been
Speaker 1: about that long all right. That's what's happening in the news.
Speaker 1: Let's circle back to that media summit, and we can't
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Speaker 1: we we can share that. Uh. The great Al Riverron,
Speaker 1: who has stepped into a a much more prominent role
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now he's got the top officiating job
Speaker 1: after Dean Blandino hit it and quit it headed on
Speaker 1: to what I wasn't looking at you you know, took
Speaker 1: the money and ran over to Fox. Uh. And now
Speaker 1: Riveron it was his term to take the podium and
Speaker 1: it was a room. It was people like us. But
Speaker 1: then also all the players that that um, work for
Speaker 1: the NFL Hall of Famers signed seating, I was sitting
Speaker 1: people basically yeah. Uh. And once Al Riveron got up
Speaker 1: there to explain the new rules and some new policies
Speaker 1: for officiating, Uh, that really juiced up all the players
Speaker 1: in attendance. And Mark, I think, and colle and I
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that Al more than held
Speaker 1: his own against these prominent legends of the sport. It
Speaker 1: was the for me, the most striking debut by anyone
Speaker 1: that's worked at this company that I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my life. And I I thought many times, I wish
Speaker 1: but what about West's first around the NFL post back
Speaker 1: in two thousand second second to Chris Wrestling. But I
Speaker 1: thought many times I wish West was here because this
Speaker 1: is the guy you would have loved. You would have
Speaker 1: loved what was happening in the room because he had
Speaker 1: to go point by point through all the rule changes.
Speaker 1: What do you think this is going to be long
Speaker 1: and dull? And we had no idea who Al river
Speaker 1: Roun was. He showed up like a total commander. And
Speaker 1: he's taken on every Player's taken on William McGuinness, he's
Speaker 1: taken on Steve Smith, everyone's throwing fire at him, and
Speaker 1: he just Marshall falk Lt Shawn O'Hara, nobody could stand
Speaker 1: up again. He basically say one of my favorite exchanges
Speaker 1: of the whole thing. Uh, he goes, now let's talk
Speaker 1: about protecting receivers, and you hear from the crowd, Oh
Speaker 1: that's too late. Man. It was fantastic. I was sitting,
Speaker 1: I happened to be in a very interesting cluster me
Speaker 1: than nobody, and then you had Thrilled Davis behind me,
Speaker 1: Ladanian Thomas and excuse me TV next to me, Trilled
Speaker 1: LT behind me, Marshall falking front of me, and when
Speaker 1: they were don't forget who else was in front of you, Mark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know. And and when they got
Speaker 1: to oh now we're gonna protect receivers, new rules to
Speaker 1: protect receivers on routes, the whole group and then I
Speaker 1: was just like with him, like smoking in the boys room, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I don't worry about the running back. So
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, it's like I looked at
Speaker 1: TV like for a little moment between us, no moment.
Speaker 1: It was cool though, it was very cool to me.
Speaker 1: Was great. I also heard somebody yell out, I just
Speaker 1: think that rules trash. So anyway, Mark, you I know
Speaker 1: UM's And by the way, at some point it got
Speaker 1: to a point it was like an old church in
Speaker 1: the South when River would be taking care of all
Speaker 1: these legends. I just started going like River River like
Speaker 1: rich eyes is right behind me. I'm sure he was
Speaker 1: looking at me, like, what's wrong with that guy? Dan
Speaker 1: and I were passing notes about him. Guys were on
Speaker 1: the other side of the ru Yeah. Anyway, so Mark,
Speaker 1: you also were smitten and you wanted to him. This
Speaker 1: is my new favorite person in the league. And so
Speaker 1: I just wrote a statement about him and what I observed.
Speaker 1: So here we go. Al river Iron on Monday explained
Speaker 1: the Earth to common men. Al river N left no
Speaker 1: doubt about his God ordained authority. Al river Ran capably
Speaker 1: ran his personal computer from a fiery podium. Al river
Speaker 1: Ron's skin is built of metal. Al river N's bones
Speaker 1: are made of white hot gold from the center of
Speaker 1: the Earth. Al river N sits for weeks on end
Speaker 1: in a silent room forming his master plan. Al river
Speaker 1: N doesn't tangle in political theory. He operates in cold,
Speaker 1: hard facts. Al river N doesn't waste his hours watching
Speaker 1: The Bachelorette Season fourteen. Al Rivern doesn't concern himself with fashion.
Speaker 1: You will not mistake him for a clothes horse. Al
Speaker 1: river N walks thirty three miles into the woods and
Speaker 1: sits for days in solitude, surrounded only by the sound
Speaker 1: of forest animals. Al river Iran is on the radar
Speaker 1: of the c i A. Al Riveron does not believe
Speaker 1: in squirrels. Al river N's concept of a vacation is
Speaker 1: walking to the junkyard and smashing old cars with a
Speaker 1: fifty pound hammer. Al Riveron is adored by children in
Speaker 1: every country. Al Riveron has taken control and will not
Speaker 1: let go. Well, that seems to check out. So he's
Speaker 1: actually an upgrade on Dean Blanding. I think he Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Not? Even He's what the NFL needed.
Speaker 1: We needed our Riveron. This is this is Al Riveron.
Speaker 1: You ask me if I have a God complex, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I am God. Al baby. One
Speaker 1: last thing when they because when they had to bring
Speaker 1: Dean Blandino on to explain rules and stuff, that's part
Speaker 1: of that job. And I don't know if he will
Speaker 1: necessarily have it, but he'll be perfect for it all.
Speaker 1: There's and ringing over losing Dean Blandino because he's so
Speaker 1: perfect on TV and we're saying that, basically, we have
Speaker 1: the guy made for the job right here. And I
Speaker 1: think the one thing mark that you left out is
Speaker 1: in addition to all of that, he left something out.
Speaker 1: One thing I was gonna, I was gonna, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say the squirrel thing. But what he did, one
Speaker 1: thing he left out. Not only did he slay all
Speaker 1: comers coming at the Crown with his unsheathed his mighty
Speaker 1: blade and slayed all Oh my god. So uh he
Speaker 1: had the Xbox controller and nimbly operating it in his
Speaker 1: right hand. That's big and Blandino, who was, let's face it,
Speaker 1: a a revolutionary when it came to the Xbox controller,
Speaker 1: a trailblazer. River n said I can do it too, baby,
Speaker 1: that's why, and I can do it better. Two questions
Speaker 1: related to your clothes horse portion of was that an
Speaker 1: indirect shot at Dean Blandino, known to be a little
Speaker 1: uh meticulous about his appearance. No, not consciously, not consciously,
Speaker 1: but he he just he just had like a he
Speaker 1: just came in wearing it was like we're fancy jeans
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Speaker 1: we get into our discussion of our favorite NFL feuds
Speaker 1: from the through the years, I want to, uh touch
Speaker 1: on why we thought of that as an idea. And
Speaker 1: it all goes back to um Our Fearless former leader
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, who got himself in a tweet on Friday,
Speaker 1: a big one in fact, and with none other than
Speaker 1: Miko Grimes. And it's a bummer because Greg obviously is
Speaker 1: on vacation. Um uh so we can't talk to him
Speaker 1: about it. But I think that we should at least
Speaker 1: touch on the Miko Grimes tweet. Should we hold often
Speaker 1: going through all the tweets until Greg's back. I feel
Speaker 1: like we should. Yeah, yeah, but you have to reference
Speaker 1: what she said. Yeah, basically, at the heart of it
Speaker 1: was and and one of Greg's pieces on the biggest
Speaker 1: weaknesses of every NFC team. Greg made a little passing
Speaker 1: remark that last season, Uh, Miko, who's of course, if
Speaker 1: you're aware, Miko, who, by the way, says she listens
Speaker 1: to this podcast. Uh Miko, Uh had more headlines. The
Speaker 1: outspoken wife of Brent Grimes had more Yeah, had had
Speaker 1: had guarded more headlines than her husband. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Grimes came back and had one
Speaker 1: of his best seasons last year. So he pointed out
Speaker 1: that Grimes is still an impact player, but also pointed
Speaker 1: out that maybe at some point, if I'm reading this correctly,
Speaker 1: he seemed to be trending downward and Miko was taken
Speaker 1: center stage. She didn't like that. She didn't like being
Speaker 1: referenced uh not enough respect, but on her name, I
Speaker 1: think she was not into Greg's name. And again, I
Speaker 1: think this is too good to to do without Greg.
Speaker 1: But she then took him to task over the course
Speaker 1: of multiple tweets coming after him insult Scalore, saying it
Speaker 1: knows nothing about football, and it did get me thinking
Speaker 1: the idea of, um, how we need to fight back
Speaker 1: on this. We can't take this Lake. Then can I
Speaker 1: start right now? You can start go ahead was speaking
Speaker 1: of things that stick in my crawl. You had another
Speaker 1: La ravio magnifico from one Miko grind who has been
Speaker 1: unhinged at times in her takes online and in locker rooms.
Speaker 1: Give me a break, And when one thing I've learned
Speaker 1: on this job, when somebody's gonna somebody's gonna come out
Speaker 1: and criticize a person who works as hard as Greg
Speaker 1: and does his homework, there is far more ignorance coming
Speaker 1: from the person criticizing Greg Rosenthal, who watches as much
Speaker 1: film and does as much homework as anyone in the
Speaker 1: business as anyone in the business. So, Miko Grime, if
Speaker 1: you are showing your blatant ignorance when you come out
Speaker 1: and you trash the work that Greg does, clean it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair. And speaking of fair, Greg on the topic
Speaker 1: of Grimes has been fair all along with Grimes and
Speaker 1: absolute His analysis was not even really taking this guy down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I think that it's come on, listen, this
Speaker 1: is the Around the NFL podcast, This is uh you
Speaker 1: you have to, you know, fight for the brotherhood here
Speaker 1: West Gray points. I was thinking it would be a
Speaker 1: good idea, perhaps because now we're We're in a legitimate beef.
Speaker 1: It's not just Greg we're in. We're in this beef. Now,
Speaker 1: what about a little like this track? And there's one
Speaker 1: person that can deliver this track that we know, We
Speaker 1: literally know one person who could deliver Get your act together, bro,
Speaker 1: get trash. I love her. We got her in our
Speaker 1: back pocket. And her name, of course is Little Debbie.
Speaker 1: So we try to reach out. We did any any luck? Mark? Well,
Speaker 1: we're very very interested as always in being on the show.
Speaker 1: Couldn't get it done today's schedule wise, but I promise
Speaker 1: you she will be back. Okay, So what we were
Speaker 1: gonna have We want to talk a little bit because
Speaker 1: if you know anything about Little Debbie's career is that
Speaker 1: she is no um amateur or she is. She is
Speaker 1: not like a baby in the woods when it comes
Speaker 1: to uh beefs and people coming at her. We need
Speaker 1: to talk to me. What's the best way for Little
Speaker 1: Debbie in her mind to come back now at Grimes, MS,
Speaker 1: Grimes and maybe a distract. So we're gonna try to
Speaker 1: get her on the phone and figure it out that
Speaker 1: I've already blocked her. Really, I blocked her immediately when
Speaker 1: I first saw the first tweet at Greg, I was like,
Speaker 1: this ignorant person does not need to be on my timeline. Well,
Speaker 1: she's definitely on the sonar, I'll tell you that. And
Speaker 1: that's the number one reason she's not blocked us. We
Speaker 1: gotta track what's going on right now. And lest anyone
Speaker 1: think that the Patriot missiles aren't being loaded up for
Speaker 1: for for a counter let's any would think, get your
Speaker 1: act together for a little frightening me goes a little frightening.
Speaker 1: I got cancer. What do I care? We have. We
Speaker 1: have a little debt that hopefully fingers crossed. Little Debbie
Speaker 1: is like our ace in the whole. By the way,
Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned this to Colleen last night
Speaker 1: at the gathering. There are still podcast listeners out think
Speaker 1: that I believe I did. I'm not sure, but I
Speaker 1: believe this came up that there are still listeners out
Speaker 1: there that that are convinced that when Little Debbie came
Speaker 1: into the studio last August, that it was Colleen dressed
Speaker 1: up it is. It is a conspiracy theory out there
Speaker 1: that they are the same person. I love this conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's true, all right. So and then
Speaker 1: and when Greg gets back and we get Little Debbie
Speaker 1: on the phone. We will continue to figure out this
Speaker 1: this this counter offensive that we have planned. Um, because
Speaker 1: is this don't stand. I've never met her. I'm I
Speaker 1: I would love to meet her. I hope she comes in,
Speaker 1: Little Debbie. Yeah, we've never been in the same room together.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you met Miko. Oh God, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm seriously frightened of her. Should be all right, here
Speaker 1: we go now. Uh. In the meantime, let's talk about
Speaker 1: our favorite NFL feuds and uh and there have been
Speaker 1: so many great feuds over the years, well documented of course.
Speaker 1: Uh so why don't we go around the room here,
Speaker 1: West get us going. I know you're a man that
Speaker 1: likes a nice side of beef. Well, I think anytime
Speaker 1: you talk about great feuds in NFL history, it starts
Speaker 1: with Al Davis, who is the greatest feudal in sports history.
Speaker 1: Nobody feuds better than a David. Leg starts out when
Speaker 1: he is elected president of the a f L. During
Speaker 1: the a f L and NFL Wars, the NFL's giants
Speaker 1: signed Peak Goglak, Hungarian kicker credited with being the guy
Speaker 1: who popularized soccer style kicking started off, there was a
Speaker 1: gentleman's agreement that these two leagues would not sign each
Speaker 1: other's players. NFL signs Gogglak. Al Davis immediately writes up
Speaker 1: a plan to target all of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL and have his a FL owners way over
Speaker 1: pay to steal these quarterbacks away. So that basically the
Speaker 1: merger happens because al Davis's plan to sign away all
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks. So that's how it starts. And then
Speaker 1: in the late seventies early eighties, he sues for the
Speaker 1: right to move from Oakland to Los Angeles, and at
Speaker 1: the owners meetings, this is my favorite NFL story of
Speaker 1: all the time, one of the owners trains a parrot,
Speaker 1: stations this parrot outside, trains him to squawk you Al Davis,
Speaker 1: and they're walking into the building. Al Davis wins his
Speaker 1: lawsuit against the NFL. I believe there are trebled damages
Speaker 1: awarded to him, and he is allowed to move to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And a year later, Pete Rosel has to
Speaker 1: hand him the Lombardi Trophy because his Raiders won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Al Davis feuds better than anyone. That's pretty
Speaker 1: good to win every time that's awesome. The parrot move
Speaker 1: was just phenomenal. I like to think it was like
Speaker 1: some card like Paul Brown. That's top of the list.
Speaker 1: The parent move wouldn't it just couldn't happen today. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: happened today. I don't even know if parrots anymore have
Speaker 1: that ability. I feel like parrots slipped a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you could have lost a step. You think that
Speaker 1: that an animal species, over the course of a decade
Speaker 1: or two loses. It's amazing this ability gradual decline. It's
Speaker 1: going as well as the other one. Show me one
Speaker 1: parrot that's impressed you in the last twenty years on
Speaker 1: my block that rides his bike with a shirt off
Speaker 1: and a parrot on his bike and it talks. There's
Speaker 1: like he's more impressive than the parrot. To me, there's
Speaker 1: a trash talking part in Venice Beach when you're walking
Speaker 1: down to go to Henano and the whaler. Yes I
Speaker 1: saw it the other day, Yeah, bit or it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Did happen? To dance point a very overrated animal. Do
Speaker 1: they live forever and they speak? I don't need it
Speaker 1: to it's it can entrap you to hear things exactly.
Speaker 1: It's always up to no good. It's a Stinky Davis
Speaker 1: of the animal kingdom. And we have enough people talking
Speaker 1: in the world do we need animals? I might be
Speaker 1: coming over to your side on this one. It is
Speaker 1: the Stinky Davis of the animal roll Oh my god. Anyway,
Speaker 1: moving on my favorite um feud, Well, I got it.
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not talk about feuds and
Speaker 1: talk about Geno Smith? First? I K and Polly Who.
Speaker 1: I can't Polly Who. I don't know if he's I
Speaker 1: think he's a free agent now actually, but I just
Speaker 1: want not to be labor the story because somebody knows
Speaker 1: it that and Polly knocked out. Um Gino Smith broke
Speaker 1: his jaw with a punch in the locker room at
Speaker 1: Jets camp a couple of years ago. Does anyone remember?
Speaker 1: This will test people's short term memory. Why I K
Speaker 1: did it? Oh, it was over. It was a little
Speaker 1: bit of money he owed him on money over the
Speaker 1: course of a season or something like that, and hadn't
Speaker 1: paid back. The story, as legend goes, is that I
Speaker 1: K had asked Gino Smith to attend his football camp
Speaker 1: I believe in Texas, and Gino gave him his word
Speaker 1: that he would go and then did a no show
Speaker 1: at the camp. So I K was angry about the
Speaker 1: no show. And then because he was angry, he said, oh, ps,
Speaker 1: not only am I angry about the no show. Uh,
Speaker 1: you owe me for the plane ticket and the and
Speaker 1: the transportation to and from the airport, which cost six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. And when Gino was dismissive, Gino, I think, Uh,
Speaker 1: and if you could read the tea leaves of how
Speaker 1: the locker room operated and acted in the in the
Speaker 1: time after this, Uh was kind of giving him a
Speaker 1: little like, you know, disrespect. I'm a starting quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you're saying to me. And and uh,
Speaker 1: he lets put it this away. He was never starting
Speaker 1: quarterback again after he got punched in the job. My
Speaker 1: favorite feud because it was it was perfectly Jets and
Speaker 1: outrageous for Ah. It was vintage Jets. Uh, and I K,
Speaker 1: we'll live in infamy. I mean I can't really blame him.
Speaker 1: I'd be piste too. Well. You don't punch a guy
Speaker 1: in the jaw in the locker room when he's the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback and you're a undrafted linebacker. It was a
Speaker 1: complete but I can understand where he was coming from.
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan went and signed him to the Bills because
Speaker 1: Rex wanted the headlines that was ted. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody else will ever sign him in. Yeah he also
Speaker 1: also Yeah, he also blew out his knee last year.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Mark, you got. I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: too much time on this, but it's a large issue.
Speaker 1: I go back to the old a f C Central.
Speaker 1: I know, Wes, you were at one point of Bengals fan,
Speaker 1: so you know this just as well as I do
Speaker 1: that growing up a Browns fan when Marty Schottenheimer was
Speaker 1: their coach, pretty classy guy, not one who would run
Speaker 1: his mouth. But he was in a division with Jerry Glanville,
Speaker 1: who ran that Houston Oilers team in a way that
Speaker 1: got into a lot, got on a lot of people's
Speaker 1: sonar number one, and what I remember mostly was the
Speaker 1: Sam Wish Jerry Glanville, the hatred between these guys, because
Speaker 1: people remember Sam Wish getting on the mic against the
Speaker 1: Browns and yelling, you don't live in Cleveland, and that
Speaker 1: got that place right up. Jerry Glanville called Cleveland rat hole.
Speaker 1: Cleveland never really mouthed off in return because they were
Speaker 1: kind of right about the city. It's at that point
Speaker 1: was a big, big, big trouble was on fire. The
Speaker 1: Kyoga River was on fire. A little better now, but
Speaker 1: it's like, but, but I'll never forget I thought the
Speaker 1: height of this feud. And you can tell me if
Speaker 1: you think it's a different one. But when the when
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals on December sevente whipped up on the
Speaker 1: Houston Oilers sixty one to seven, and there are so
Speaker 1: many opportunities to put your foot on the break and
Speaker 1: show a little respect to the opponent, and they just
Speaker 1: kept dropping bombs on these guys, sixty one to seven. Sam,
Speaker 1: which runs up the score on purpose, does not apologize afterwards,
Speaker 1: tells the Oilers players, Look, this is what happens when
Speaker 1: Jerry Glanville is your coach. He's a classless fool. He
Speaker 1: never stops running his mouth. I'm tired of it. And
Speaker 1: you got beat down today because your coach is an idiot.
Speaker 1: He he did get He got that kind of reaction
Speaker 1: because people, if you loved him, you loved him. But
Speaker 1: if you didn't like him, he was the most obnoxious guy.
Speaker 1: I could not stand him for my entire life. I
Speaker 1: talked him on the phone for this uh astrodome piece
Speaker 1: at the super Bowl, and this guy likes to talk.
Speaker 1: I mean I have a recording it is forty five
Speaker 1: minutes long where he told me stories about how he
Speaker 1: used to like there was some tree where they would
Speaker 1: hang things from outside the astrodome to look like a
Speaker 1: hanging person, so every coach and player coming in would
Speaker 1: know that that's gonna be where they were gonna be
Speaker 1: after playing the oiler. I mean, he was entertaining when
Speaker 1: you look back on this guy, like he was a
Speaker 1: fascinating coach, but hugely annoying to deal with, even people
Speaker 1: that didn't hate him. And this is always a giveaway
Speaker 1: with anybody, a couple of giveaways. When somebody is almost
Speaker 1: impossible to deal with and nobody really likes him, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's Uh, I think I gotta give a damn straight
Speaker 1: credit on this one. Uh, he's like, yeah, what's what's
Speaker 1: the deal with Jerry? Jerry's and be Jerry? And also
Speaker 1: the other and the other dead giveaway is when some
Speaker 1: of that does have loyalty to that person. Uh, but uh,
Speaker 1: it needs to find a way. We're like grasping for
Speaker 1: Straws on how to describe why they're actually a good
Speaker 1: person in spite of what you've seen and heard. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing about Jerry, He'll give you
Speaker 1: the shirt off his back. If it's the last one,
Speaker 1: that's a code for he's probably a bad guy. Anything else,
Speaker 1: as you got another feud? I have one? Oh you
Speaker 1: got one, Connie? Yeah? What about? My favorite was it's
Speaker 1: from the Eagles, but Terrell Owens when he got into
Speaker 1: it with Hugh Douglas and the two of them. I
Speaker 1: guess t O was rehabbing, so he was in one
Speaker 1: of the tubs. And my favorite version of the story
Speaker 1: is when Brian Westbrook tells it because he was in
Speaker 1: the training room when it happened. So we watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing because you get like so many different iteration
Speaker 1: of the same story. But as Brian tells it, Uh,
Speaker 1: te O was in the tub like icing up or whatever,
Speaker 1: and Hugh comes in and they start drawing at each other,
Speaker 1: and I think Westbrook was in another tub so like
Speaker 1: he couldn't get out, and all of a sudden TiO
Speaker 1: stands up and goes and gets his shoes to put
Speaker 1: his shoes on so he could have like some leverage,
Speaker 1: and then they just start throwing punches at each other
Speaker 1: in the training room in the middle of it all,
Speaker 1: and TiO walks out because it was a closed locker room.
Speaker 1: TiO walks out, as the story goes, and goes into
Speaker 1: the main locker room and then challenges anybody else that
Speaker 1: has a problem with him to take care of it
Speaker 1: right then and there. And most people viewed that as
Speaker 1: a direct challenge to Donovan McNabb who was also in
Speaker 1: the locker room, so right after that he got like
Speaker 1: suspended and definitely and the whole thing a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer by the way, any stories like this, uh point
Speaker 1: to why maybe he struggled to get people onside selling
Speaker 1: you have one. Yeah, I was gonna bring up a
Speaker 1: question to my my favorite current one right now Isoto
Speaker 1: belcom versus Josh Norman? Is her a better current feud?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is the worst one, but it
Speaker 1: is awesome anytime Josh Norman talks. I'm just like, God,
Speaker 1: somebody shut this guy. I love it. I love him
Speaker 1: not necessarily off the field, but on the field when
Speaker 1: they're they're basically swinging at each other. That was the
Speaker 1: rare fight December in two thousand fifteen, the regular season
Speaker 1: game between the Giants and uh uh Panthers. Now he's
Speaker 1: with the Redskins, of course, where neither guy came off well,
Speaker 1: it was very clear it got to a point where
Speaker 1: neither guy cared about the game on any level and
Speaker 1: it had just become like a Mano Imano situation, only
Speaker 1: both guys just came off incredibly lame in my opinion
Speaker 1: at least, and I think a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: it was. It went too far where it's just farce
Speaker 1: by the end of the game. Uh. And I have
Speaker 1: a little prediction. I think that's gonna come back this year.
Speaker 1: It was a little quiet last year. I think ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the reason Josh Norman signed in the with
Speaker 1: the Redskins is because he could continue to have uh
Speaker 1: serve up slabs of beef with Des Bryant with Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: That I think, yeah, And I have a feeling we're
Speaker 1: going to see another meltdown between Beckham and Norman before
Speaker 1: the season goes out, and West's head will explode. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna save all of my veto powers for Josh Norman. Two.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. Uh, we talked about Al Davis
Speaker 1: being great at feuding. Buddy Ryan is another one. Feuded
Speaker 1: with Mike Dick almost his entire time running the four
Speaker 1: six defense with the Bears, and then famously punched gil
Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride in the face on the sideline when he
Speaker 1: went when they were both with the Oilers. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: when Buddy Ryan got carried off the field. Uh, super
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty. How do you think that's that with Dicka? Well,
Speaker 1: we he It's very clear it did not sit well
Speaker 1: with him at all. And my favorite it, I'll I'll
Speaker 1: read a quote, my favorite quote in the midst of
Speaker 1: a massive feud. If if that man was on fire
Speaker 1: and I had to piss to put him out, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. I hate him and will never respect him.
Speaker 1: Anybody remember that one? Who's that? That's James Harrison on
Speaker 1: the commissioner part of when they were fighting about illegal
Speaker 1: hits and when the NFL's cracking down on players and
Speaker 1: in an effort to begin their player safety initiative, and
Speaker 1: Harrison was at the spocal point of that. That was
Speaker 1: an interview with Men's Journal in two thousand eleven. Uh. Interesting, Well,
Speaker 1: don't we have a little We don't to go into it,
Speaker 1: but do we want to do a little list of
Speaker 1: the other ones that the West for both of us, Uh,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson Jerry Jones, Well they could have that dynasty
Speaker 1: could have gone many years longer. But by all reports,
Speaker 1: that feud was about who deserved credit for building the dynasty,
Speaker 1: and jim you always got the credit. Jerry did not
Speaker 1: like it. I was in Australia for some random month,
Speaker 1: like six months off of school because I basically was
Speaker 1: done with college and I did not want to go
Speaker 1: back and was traveling around. I was in Sydney and
Speaker 1: I saw this like international version of USA Today saying
Speaker 1: that Jerry Jones had fired Jimmy Johnson, and I was like,
Speaker 1: am I have I eaten a tab of acid? This
Speaker 1: cannot pos Probably yeah. And then one of those things
Speaker 1: where it worked out for neither guy. Jimmy Johnson went
Speaker 1: to Miami, never won anything. Jerry Jones has been back
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl since. How about this one? Marcus Vick?
Speaker 1: Everyone on Twitter just awful at Twitter. I think the
Speaker 1: reason we don't hear from anymore is because he got
Speaker 1: so bad. Twitter was like, bro, you're you're overserved. I
Speaker 1: mean every time Michael Vick started to do well, even
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and play well, his brother would just start
Speaker 1: mouthing off on Twitter. It was awful about Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: versus is Mike Vanderjack got all liquored up and ran
Speaker 1: his mouth. That was a comment made at the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: by the way, and UH after Belichick versus Mangini of
Speaker 1: course spy Gate, and this came up recently rich to
Speaker 1: me and he was my favorite UM beat writer for
Speaker 1: the Jets. He's a legend on that beat and he
Speaker 1: interviewed Simini had excuse me, Mangini at a football camp
Speaker 1: UH recently about how he liked He hasn't spoken with Belichick,
Speaker 1: who was very close with before spy Gate, and he
Speaker 1: would like to mend fences on that front, but probably
Speaker 1: knows deep in his heart probably will never happen. And
Speaker 1: if you're looking to know if if Belichick has forgiven
Speaker 1: UH Mangini recently in a press conference, UH, Belichick was
Speaker 1: just going through all the UH coaches in his past
Speaker 1: that went on to get head coaching jobs and he
Speaker 1: left Mangini out of the list. Could be an oversight
Speaker 1: or could be the man is dead to him low
Speaker 1: key burn. Yeah, all right, top feuds and now Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Miko Grimes top of the list, top of
Speaker 1: the list with a bullet number one. We will be
Speaker 1: back on h Thursday with another episode of the Round
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast. People are getting upset when they're not
Speaker 1: seeing podcasts on Monday. We you know, we're doing two
Speaker 1: shows a week until we hit training camp, and then
Speaker 1: once training campaigns we're back to three uh a week
Speaker 1: all through the end of July, August, Sotimber, October. Is
Speaker 1: Sannie ever coming home? Yeah, that's when that begins. Uh So,
Speaker 1: thank you Connie for joining us once again, of course,
Speaker 1: just so versatile real b J shf, Wow, how I
Speaker 1: look at you? Thank you b J s Off one
Speaker 1: of the biggest catching prospects of the nineteen eighties. Let's
Speaker 1: send a football podcast by going out on a low
Speaker 1: level baseball reference. It's a good way to do it,
Speaker 1: all right, stay hands the sun about for a quiet storm,
Speaker 1: the Mailman, Connie Fox and Sully behind the glass until Thursday.
Speaker 1: I kept Daddy might be slipping out of here a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. Today. It's really repeat when you call
Speaker 1: yourself daddy, like us lightly. What have I referred to
Speaker 1: myself as mommy? Now that would be weird. Mommy might
Speaker 1: begetting that here little really