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Speaker 1: Um and then, uh, last week we started for Pride Month,
Speaker 1: which just June. If you live under a rock, pride
Speaker 1: meaning like gay pride. And I know some people it's
Speaker 1: so interesting. I saw this mean that Jessica Curson posted
Speaker 1: was a repost from Judy Gold both h definitely uh
Speaker 1: comics who are in the l g B t Q
Speaker 1: I a community, and I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like, well, why isn't there like a straight pride
Speaker 1: parade every day? But it's not. It's not the ride
Speaker 1: in being gay or celebrating like Hi, I'm gay and
Speaker 1: you're not. It's just celebrating. Well it's also like acceptance
Speaker 1: and like yeah, and that this is like something that
Speaker 1: I am allowed allowed to be, like celebrating the no
Speaker 1: one's ever you can't be you, Like you're gross for
Speaker 1: being you, Like that's just never happened. Um, So I
Speaker 1: think it was really cool and we are all month long. Uh,
Speaker 1: celebrating clients from New Alternatives, which is a wonderful UH
Speaker 1: shelter and service program for at risk l g B
Speaker 1: t q I, a youth here in New York. UH.
Speaker 1: And today we are going to sit down with someone
Speaker 1: named Justice, who we feel compliments our later guest very
Speaker 1: well for this week's episode item you look amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I know you walked in. I was like, is there
Speaker 1: a celebrity? I know who is that? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're beautiful? Thank you? How old are you and what
Speaker 1: is your what do you how do you identify? What
Speaker 1: did where are you on the spectrum? She day? It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter all of it? Nice? Does anything that you've called?
Speaker 1: I'll answer to that right pretty much. And how did
Speaker 1: you come to find New Alternatives? Um? About three years ago?
Speaker 1: I was like street homeless and someone tell me about
Speaker 1: the program and being like comming sis. Then oh that's great.
Speaker 1: So how long were you run those for? Um? Like months? Months? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I was like you have a I hear a
Speaker 1: bit of like a southern accent. Where where are you from?
Speaker 1: Originally from North Carolina? Oh? And how what made you
Speaker 1: make your way up here? Opportunities? Money? Yeah? How was
Speaker 1: it in North Carolina? What was life like? Um boring? Yeah,
Speaker 1: slip pace, it's very different. Yeah, the South moves. There's
Speaker 1: no sense of urgency to the time, which is nice,
Speaker 1: but also like I'm like, let's go, let's go. Um Now,
Speaker 1: how was it? What was it like being homeless? Um?
Speaker 1: I didn't know like resources or anything, so it was
Speaker 1: important for me to like find places like New Alternatives
Speaker 1: and stuff. But other than that, it was it was okay,
Speaker 1: I made the best of it. Where did you sleep?
Speaker 1: Shoulders dropping centers? Okay? Cool? And then was someone from
Speaker 1: New Alternatives like going around and talking about that to
Speaker 1: homeless youth or did it was just kind of happenstance
Speaker 1: that word in the community that this is a place
Speaker 1: you can go, right, just word of mouth from other
Speaker 1: gay people like experience experiencing the same stuff. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: So when you were homeless, did you travel with like
Speaker 1: a crew of friends or or like minded people or
Speaker 1: were you totally by yourself? By myself? Oh man? And what? Um,
Speaker 1: I'd rather be by myself. I like being I like
Speaker 1: being alone. I hear you you too, that would be like,
Speaker 1: let me just be homeless by my phone? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you obviously like dress in a very beautiful way,
Speaker 1: but I imagine that like gets some extra attention. Were
Speaker 1: you dressing like this when you were homeless? Always best
Speaker 1: people want? People won't believe I was homeless because you're
Speaker 1: you're walking in like a good supermodel. And uh, do
Speaker 1: you feel like that ever affected the way people treated
Speaker 1: you negatively or positively? Um? I believe if I was
Speaker 1: dress worse or had like holes or look dirty, people
Speaker 1: would help me more. But people just like look at
Speaker 1: me like she don't need to help? Yeah, is there?
Speaker 1: And what did you experience homophobia within the homeless community? Never?
Speaker 1: Never experienced homophobia living here or in the South. Oh. Really,
Speaker 1: that's not the answer that I expected, because I hear
Speaker 1: a lot about homophobia in specifically in the South, and
Speaker 1: like with religion and churches and stuff, and like Jesus
Speaker 1: doesn't gays or whatever the fun they're trying to shove
Speaker 1: down people's throats. And what was your what was your
Speaker 1: home life like in the South? It was good. Um,
Speaker 1: I grew up on a reservation and Cherokee Lumbian sue,
Speaker 1: how was that? Um? It was fun? Different, Like being
Speaker 1: gay isn't a big problem, or like two spirit, it's
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Well, it's it's interesting. I've actually
Speaker 1: been learning a lot about Native American reservations where like
Speaker 1: the laws are different there. But um, one of the
Speaker 1: things that I learned, um, that really shocked me was
Speaker 1: like rape on Name American reservations is crazy, but it's
Speaker 1: by white men that come in and you can't shot
Speaker 1: like they're the way the courts are within the reservation
Speaker 1: and then in the outside world, like they don't ever
Speaker 1: cross over so you can't like convict, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: In the statistics are saying like Native American women are
Speaker 1: the most um most at risk for being raped. And
Speaker 1: I just shocked. Have you ever had did you know somebody? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew rapists, really I knew some some of my
Speaker 1: friends were right, but wow, you knew rapists? How did
Speaker 1: you know they were rapists? Did they say it was
Speaker 1: my father? There? You go, well, yeah, did he say
Speaker 1: it or did you witness something or did you he's
Speaker 1: been in and out of prison for it for years. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well he went to prison for because a lot of
Speaker 1: rapists do not go to prison. Was was he assaulting
Speaker 1: people in your family or in your community or community?
Speaker 1: And how did, I mean, how did that affect you?
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel? Um? It affected me
Speaker 1: like financially because my father wasn't there anymore. But other
Speaker 1: than that, lived to deal with it. What stresses you out?
Speaker 1: Because you seems so chill? Nothing really? Yeah, wow, that's
Speaker 1: kind of nice that like that. Demeter is probably very
Speaker 1: helpful in like intense situations, and I'm very peaceful chill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really are. I love it. It's awesome. And how
Speaker 1: what circumstances led to you becoming homeless? Um? I didn't
Speaker 1: want to live with men anymore? Um, I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I was in New York three years before I was homeless.
Speaker 1: I lived with a sister year old, and I got
Speaker 1: sick of being his I candy or so did you
Speaker 1: have like a kind of a like a pretty much?
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to live up to the deal,
Speaker 1: so I packed my ship and with toy shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there was more freedom than that, right, right? How
Speaker 1: did you Was he upset when you piece out or
Speaker 1: did you run away? Were you kind of like he
Speaker 1: was hurt? But yeah, I'm pretty sure he learned to
Speaker 1: deal with it. Yeah. Now we've had yeah, we've had
Speaker 1: listeners kind of inquire about getting into like relationships like that,
Speaker 1: like your daddy, Yeah, how did you? How does how
Speaker 1: does one start a relationship like that? Um? I was
Speaker 1: on Grinder and it was my first day in New
Speaker 1: York City and I was sitting in a dropping center
Speaker 1: and this dude was want to have sex with me.
Speaker 1: I was like, um, I'm not looking for sets, um, practically,
Speaker 1: I just came to New York City and I'm homeless,
Speaker 1: and he invited me over. I went grocery shopping with him.
Speaker 1: He took me out eat and I never left. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: did you guys ever have sex? No? But yeah, it
Speaker 1: got to the point where he was wanting sets or
Speaker 1: me to pay rent and stuff. And you're like, well
Speaker 1: I told you, you know, yeah right, Like what was
Speaker 1: he gross? No, he was a chef and everything. He
Speaker 1: was a good person. He was just Oh that's nice.
Speaker 1: He just wasn't your type especially no. Yeah, yeah, yeah interesting.
Speaker 1: What's so so basically you you just chose to be
Speaker 1: homeless instead of having sex with it on my own.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good Yeah. And what has what has
Speaker 1: New Alternatives specifically done for you? Like what are the
Speaker 1: ways that they helped you? Um? When I need food,
Speaker 1: I can come here and eat, or if I need
Speaker 1: like clothes or lip gloss or anything like that, they
Speaker 1: usually have it so right, So and what kind of
Speaker 1: like what's your life lifestyle? Like? Now? Where are you living? Um?
Speaker 1: I live uptown? I mean a shelter? But how is
Speaker 1: it it good? Because I've heard our stories about shelters,
Speaker 1: but I've also heard like really good positive stories about
Speaker 1: the people who run them are like kind and good. Um,
Speaker 1: I live in God. I want to say it's bad,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. How did you learn to do makeup so well? Practice?
Speaker 1: Because like, I wear it every day. I've been doing
Speaker 1: it for like eight months every day. What got you
Speaker 1: into makeup? Transitioning? Okay? Are you transitioning like gender? Okay,
Speaker 1: from male to female? Are you doing hormones? Not yet?
Speaker 1: But I want to start saying, oh cool, and do
Speaker 1: you how do you is there? Like how do you
Speaker 1: afford that? How do you? I don't know anything about
Speaker 1: like the process of action? Yeah, insurance pays for it.
Speaker 1: That's great that insurance pays for that, because for a
Speaker 1: while I know that a lot of companies were not
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Um, what would you say to any
Speaker 1: like other like lgbt QA, like homeless use um or
Speaker 1: like people who get We talked to a couple of people.
Speaker 1: You did it on your own accord. You kind of left,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of people that we've talked to,
Speaker 1: like get kicked out of their house, which course to
Speaker 1: other homes, which is crazy. You have you have you
Speaker 1: met other than like being here and getting food here
Speaker 1: and stuff. Have you met people in your travels in
Speaker 1: your life that have been in that circumstance? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they usually have drug problems or something. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a raising your family is kicking you out, but but
Speaker 1: a lot of it seems like a lot of time
Speaker 1: it's cause their sexuality, and then they turned to drugs
Speaker 1: because they're like, well what do I do in my
Speaker 1: own family rejecting me. Yeah, that's one thing you should do.
Speaker 1: Turn to drugs or you're going to be in this
Speaker 1: situation for a while. Yeah, it's hard to get yourself out, right,
Speaker 1: So your advice would probably like, don't do drugs, yeah,
Speaker 1: and stay the hell away from other people. Do it
Speaker 1: on your own. Yeah. Well, we have a lot of
Speaker 1: common justice. Uh So you mentioned kind of like in
Speaker 1: passing that you didn't want to live with men anymore.
Speaker 1: Was it just that one sugar dotty experience? Or had
Speaker 1: anything else happened negatively with men? Um? I've always lived
Speaker 1: with men ever since I left home an eighteen, and
Speaker 1: I always had to pack my ship and go. They
Speaker 1: never had to pack their ship and go. And I'm
Speaker 1: tired of that. Yeah, for I want them to pack
Speaker 1: their ship and go from my place. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear you. There's more power to that, right, get
Speaker 1: the funk out of my right? Um? And are you
Speaker 1: are you employed? Right now? Um? I did my own
Speaker 1: little gigs, but no, what's your what's your career? Entertainment? Photography,
Speaker 1: stuff like that? And then do you do you sing?
Speaker 1: Do you dance? A dance? And I've did some some
Speaker 1: new modeling and stuff like that. Yeah, did you like it?
Speaker 1: I love it. We almost did new modeling then it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. Maybe not because of us, It was
Speaker 1: because the other people, Chris like they wanted us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And how do you feel when you're modeling? New doesn't
Speaker 1: make you? How? How does it make make your sexy? Um?
Speaker 1: I think it's an art form, so it's expressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you I love because I love when people
Speaker 1: express themselves through like clothes and makeup and they do
Speaker 1: a good job of it, because that like, that's respectable
Speaker 1: to me. And you do a great job with your
Speaker 1: wardrobe that fucking has amazing thank you? And what kind
Speaker 1: of how do you see your life going in New
Speaker 1: York like five years, ten years from now? Where ideally
Speaker 1: would you want to be? Um? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just want to paycheck. You're just you're kind of just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Cool. Is there anything else you want to
Speaker 1: talk about or say or in relationship to anything? Really,
Speaker 1: That's about all I could think of. I don't have
Speaker 1: anything personally to say. Okay, well, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for you for talking with us and spending your time.
Speaker 1: And that was justice. Yeah. I actually looked up this
Speaker 1: mean because I was like, no, I didn't do it justice.
Speaker 1: It says get justice. That's if not. Gay pride was
Speaker 1: not born of a need to celebrate being gay, but
Speaker 1: our right to exist without persecution. So instead of wondering
Speaker 1: why there isn't a straight pride movement, be thankful you
Speaker 1: don't need one. That's what I like, perfectly sentiment, And
Speaker 1: it's also like just top, everyone gets a second, just
Speaker 1: like also we should be we should all be lifting
Speaker 1: up other groups of people that we are not in,
Speaker 1: that that are in a minority of any sort, because
Speaker 1: when you are in a minority of any kind racially, sexually,
Speaker 1: you face things that people not in that minority face,
Speaker 1: And I think it's really powerful. That's why Gay Pride
Speaker 1: is The Priparade is my favorite day of the year,
Speaker 1: because it's just the most love I've ever felt in
Speaker 1: my whole life all day that that fucking parade is
Speaker 1: the best thing in the world. It's really fun. And
Speaker 1: I actually tape parades. I I mean I don't. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I love that parade. I oh my god, I look
Speaker 1: forward to it. It's like fucking Christmas. It's amazing. And
Speaker 1: if you can get to New York or other major
Speaker 1: cities of priparides, definitely do it. Oh man, we are
Speaker 1: We sound very tired because we just literally flew back
Speaker 1: from Chicago, like a couple of hours ago. We had
Speaker 1: like a drunken night, did not sleep. Yeah, we went
Speaker 1: out in um of all places, Milwaukee. That was the project.
Speaker 1: We got turned in Milwaukee. Yah. Yeah, Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was really fun. I Um, the most fun nights
Speaker 1: are always the ones like where you don't plan to
Speaker 1: get drunk. And I have a long history of getting
Speaker 1: accidentally drunk. Well me too, And it's always like whenever
Speaker 1: I decide, like, you know what, I'm gonna rally, let's
Speaker 1: go out it. Whenever I have that like spark in
Speaker 1: me where I'm like, okay, yeah, I'll just go out,
Speaker 1: even the im tired, it always ends up being fun.
Speaker 1: Right because I was so curious because like we hadn't
Speaker 1: we had just gotten right to the hotel, and it
Speaker 1: really kills me to go to a city and only
Speaker 1: see a hotel room and a venue, like it hurts
Speaker 1: my heart. I have one of the best parts of
Speaker 1: the Guys podcast besides you know obviously like you know,
Speaker 1: not feeling sexual shame, you know, because that was like
Speaker 1: getting to see the fucking country that I had in
Speaker 1: my life. I've never traveled this much even nor did
Speaker 1: I ever envisioned myself. I hadn't seen any of it.
Speaker 1: And and I mean there is a correlation because meeting
Speaker 1: different kinds of people helps you to understand people more,
Speaker 1: which lets you judge them. Last. So when I say
Speaker 1: on the podcast, like oh, I don't know. He's probably
Speaker 1: from Kansas. That's because I'm an ignorant motherfucker who's never
Speaker 1: been anywhere. And so it's so nice to get to
Speaker 1: know people like we were at that bar that what
Speaker 1: the funk with? Bar? Was it? Safe house by theme guy?
Speaker 1: The guy at the front had he had a he
Speaker 1: was on a power triplet bit. He asked us for
Speaker 1: five bucks to enter. Fine, Then he asked us to
Speaker 1: do the chicken dance. Not fine. So these girls were
Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette and they came back in and we
Speaker 1: just I just ran and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that brow. I paid you well because I'm not
Speaker 1: really mad. I'm not into humiliation. I mean sexually um
Speaker 1: willing to go there, but this was not sexual. Well,
Speaker 1: it was just also like not even funny or interest.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even he wasn't even being fun. That was
Speaker 1: the problem. And then so we walk in through this
Speaker 1: like fake bookcase and it's the brightest bar. Yes, I've
Speaker 1: been you safe house or whatever, come on, give us
Speaker 1: a little it was so bright, a little dimmer, but
Speaker 1: then it also looked like a fun house. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they've got that. Everyone there was cool. I just remember
Speaker 1: this god actudentally like. Our agent was like, how was
Speaker 1: the show tonight? Apparently the next day I know that,
Speaker 1: I replied pretty soon after and I wrote hot as
Speaker 1: fuck honestly Colin like my own winky face, and I'm
Speaker 1: like and then he texts me the next It was
Speaker 1: a group text between the three of us, and he
Speaker 1: texts me the next morning like ha ha ha. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's so freaking funny? And then I look, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I kind of whoops, that's not what
Speaker 1: I meant to say. Um, it was a hot show,
Speaker 1: especially that last sex. UM didn't. I didn't take it
Speaker 1: as badly as like I was, like, I was, I
Speaker 1: just would never have talked to like that is not
Speaker 1: crossing the line because we talk about some ship in
Speaker 1: me in professional business settings that not a lot of
Speaker 1: people get to talk about, which is so fun. But
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I know he didn't give
Speaker 1: a ship, and I'm like, I'm so sorry. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was I didn't. I didn't black out,
Speaker 1: but I was. I don't remember saying sending that I
Speaker 1: have not done something under the influence of alcohol that
Speaker 1: I don't remember in a very long time. That's what
Speaker 1: happens when you drink a fish bowl. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was because we're like, wow, we're not in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and they have fish bowls. This is amazing. And
Speaker 1: remember there was this guy who came in with like
Speaker 1: a camouflage hat and I don't know, he was being
Speaker 1: a misogynistic piece of ship. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: he said, but I instagram lived for a second. You did.
Speaker 1: Did you say that you gotta save it? And sentenced me?
Speaker 1: I don't know what, I don't I don't you know.
Speaker 1: All these girls rallied because they were like hearing him talk.
Speaker 1: And then we like just like we're like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what we said, like get out of here. We bullied.
Speaker 1: We bullied a man out of the bar, but we
Speaker 1: didn't say anything that bad. Right, Oh, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1: I mean we probably just shamed him. But he left
Speaker 1: and it was such a it was such a bonding moment.
Speaker 1: I was like victory. And then I bought everyone a shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah this is true. Yeah. And then the next day
Speaker 1: on my train, boy and I was like, oh wow, Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: like you bought everyone a shot And I was like
Speaker 1: forty dollars or something. Yeah, I know. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the best I could be, the talk of
Speaker 1: the town. It was little as forty dollars. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That reminds me of what ages ago I was. I
Speaker 1: was with Ben Haigue and we were in New Hampshire
Speaker 1: doing a show and we did the same thing. Everything
Speaker 1: was so cheap that even we were like we were
Speaker 1: pretty broke and we just went in the bar and
Speaker 1: bought everyone shots, like and it was like a hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to buy literally every person higher bar jellow shots wo.
Speaker 1: And that's a good feeling. And we're like we're the
Speaker 1: clinging queen of New hamps And you're the only people
Speaker 1: that probably ever said that. Oh my god. That's exciting.
Speaker 1: That was fun. Thank you guys for coming out to
Speaker 1: these shows. These shows are really good and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to uh do them. And these shows are like, seriously
Speaker 1: some of my favorite times on stage. Yeah, they're fun.
Speaker 1: It's really fun. Okay, so let's get on to our guest.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you to hear this interview. Um
Speaker 1: our guest today makes six figures a year off of
Speaker 1: humiliating men, and she's never even shown a titty. It's fascinating. Um.
Speaker 1: So with ladies and gentlemen, we are very excited to
Speaker 1: welcome to guys. We fucked c R Lynch sildly sleeps
Speaker 1: to one dude. I she walks Olky's behind. Any other
Speaker 1: story she takes battens too bad, gone she will Okay,
Speaker 1: we are here with CR Lynch. You humiliate men for
Speaker 1: a living, and I'm so excited to talk to you
Speaker 1: about it. How let's start with, UM, how did you
Speaker 1: get started? Uh, that is a really good story. So
Speaker 1: I was seventeen years old and I was living in
Speaker 1: Japan an exchange student. UM. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: people think at this point like, oh, of course Japan,
Speaker 1: you know the fashion industry. It actually had little to
Speaker 1: do with that. Um, except for the fact that I
Speaker 1: didn't know any Japanese and I was super lonely. I
Speaker 1: didn't have any friends because I didn't speak the language
Speaker 1: and they didn't speak mine. UM. So that's not an
Speaker 1: easy one to pick up. Yeah. Yeah, So I spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time online, and UM, I was bored
Speaker 1: a lot. And you know, I lost my virtinity like
Speaker 1: two years before, and I was really interested in sex.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, I wasn't having sex because
Speaker 1: I didn't even have friends, and so as just like
Speaker 1: an outlet, I would take sexy pictures of myself and
Speaker 1: like send him to my boyfriend back home, and then
Speaker 1: we broke up, and so I just started putting them
Speaker 1: on just website. I was gonna get that I gotta
Speaker 1: se these pictures of somebody pretty much just like just
Speaker 1: a sad, horny little girl. Well to take photos of yourself,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. So you're like, I want to get
Speaker 1: off on this, but boyfriends, no, no one. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was just kind of needy for that kind of attention. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know, random got as as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: would message me all the time and have conversations with me.
Speaker 1: And one of them was a fetishist and he was
Speaker 1: really into getting pete on as well as women's panty hose.
Speaker 1: And I had never really talked to a guy like
Speaker 1: that before. Like I knew weird fetishes existed because I
Speaker 1: was always reading like Dan Savage, and so I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know there's guys like this out there. I just
Speaker 1: never talked to. Once I was really intrigued. Um, and
Speaker 1: you know, he talked to me ever so often and
Speaker 1: tried to get me to meet him, like you know,
Speaker 1: he he actually lived in New York, if I remember,
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, I'll fly out there, You'll
Speaker 1: fly you out here, and I'm just like, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. Um. So eventually he more
Speaker 1: or less accepted the fact that I was never going
Speaker 1: to meet him. Um, and he messaged me one Dan said,
Speaker 1: you know, I get it, you're not going to meet me,
Speaker 1: but I really think that your piss should be bottled
Speaker 1: and sold. That's what a line charming. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, your reaction was just like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, then buy it, and um, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And I didn't think he was serious like I was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was pretty like pretty, I don't know, street wise
Speaker 1: girl a little bit. Um. So I was like, this
Speaker 1: guy's just dirty talking in his own way, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know that got the conversation rolling and we
Speaker 1: started negotiating a price, and I was just like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's see where this goes. And um, I shipped him
Speaker 1: like I got a bottle of green tea and drank
Speaker 1: it and then pete in it and then shipped it
Speaker 1: to him and then thinking like, Okay, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to see this bottle again. He's not going to pay,
Speaker 1: like just forget about it. And so you shipped it
Speaker 1: before he paid you. Yeah that was Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: another I mean you were seventeen then to what are
Speaker 1: you to do? Right exactly? So um, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the thing. He's like, yeah, I've been ripped off before.
Speaker 1: I want you to send it first. I'm just thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna rip me off. If anything, though, you're
Speaker 1: just losing a bottle of piss and the ships that cost,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So it's like, what do I have to lose?
Speaker 1: Sound like a maniac? I would be like, can they
Speaker 1: trace me from my p and fine where I live? Oh?
Speaker 1: To find where you live? Like I don't know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this guy like a he's a forensic scientist. He's
Speaker 1: going to find a toilet in Japan that I is
Speaker 1: going to trace this back to me like a dog,
Speaker 1: Like I'm okay anyway, Well, no, I guess I wasn't
Speaker 1: that paranoid, but I hope it's normal. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: sent him and then two weeks later I got an
Speaker 1: envelope from him from the US and it contained two
Speaker 1: or fifty dollars. Yeah, damn. And I'm like seventeen years old.
Speaker 1: I come from like a lower middle class home, Like
Speaker 1: I've never had that much money. You're like time before,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and just for doing something you'd normally do.
Speaker 1: It was just in a different place. Yeah, exactly, I've
Speaker 1: been flushing this the whole time. Yeah. So it like
Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, this guy found me by accident.
Speaker 1: What would happen if I went looking for guys like this? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And um. From there, I did some research because I
Speaker 1: knew like guys would buy use panties. Um, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: there has to be a way to do that online.
Speaker 1: And I found a website that's like an auction website
Speaker 1: called the band Um it is. Yeah, so it's like eBay,
Speaker 1: but that you make auctions of. They should call it
Speaker 1: eBay but e b a oh ship take that and run.
Speaker 1: Wait it's it's eBay but what so it's eBay but
Speaker 1: you can sell items that eBay has banned, so you're
Speaker 1: not such as panties like organs are they own that
Speaker 1: was banned at one time because someone's tried to sell
Speaker 1: like a human body. Yeah, it was like a couple
Speaker 1: of times. There's been like stories of people trying to
Speaker 1: sell like body parts, well maybe the science. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just want to get the highest offer. I mean I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that. But you know, for instance, I've sold
Speaker 1: you know, my socks, my shoes. Um, I've sold you
Speaker 1: know my ship before, I've sold my tampore sold your
Speaker 1: own ship? It did something? How do you name a
Speaker 1: price for your own ship? Great questions? So when I
Speaker 1: first started exploring this world, Um, I quickly found out
Speaker 1: that panties are kind of the most popular. That's what
Speaker 1: what I make the most my off of. But I
Speaker 1: just wanted to like test the boundaries and see, like
Speaker 1: what's the craziest thing I could sell. And so naturally,
Speaker 1: when someone asked to buy my ship, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: let's do it. And he bought it for a hundred
Speaker 1: dollars And this was about ten years ago. And did
Speaker 1: you have to eat anything specific, like a consistent teach
Speaker 1: you to put it freed their pack in there? No, No,
Speaker 1: I just shit in some type of wear and sent
Speaker 1: you can do I mean I've done that before. For
Speaker 1: to get my poop analyzed for medically, like I have
Speaker 1: shipped in like a jar and like just sent it off.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but you paid for that. Yeah no, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no no, no, that wasn't sexual. I'm just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you can mail ship with my point? What did
Speaker 1: he do with the ship? Did he say or did
Speaker 1: he just not say? Um? He wrote me a long
Speaker 1: rambling email about how he's an old man and he
Speaker 1: has in his lifetime consumed over forty two tons of ship.
Speaker 1: WHOA how old is he? How old was he? He
Speaker 1: was in his sixties, So that won't kill you. Yes,
Speaker 1: and if you tell the truth, it might be you know,
Speaker 1: it might have just been that was his fantasy or
Speaker 1: whatever anyone to write to me. But because I was
Speaker 1: in say, feel matter can make you very ill, even
Speaker 1: when it's just like you're swimming in a pool with
Speaker 1: it a pink eye from a fart. I mean, good god,
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I was like, I can't imagine you
Speaker 1: can actually consume that much and be okay, yeah I
Speaker 1: don't think. Um, mostly that like that. You know, he
Speaker 1: was talking about how on his last dying day he's
Speaker 1: just gonna imagine all the beautiful women that have shopped
Speaker 1: on him before. And it was just yeah, he loved it.
Speaker 1: And he sent me this weird little piece of like
Speaker 1: glass art and with a little package thing, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was so stupid at the time. I threw
Speaker 1: it away, but I kind of wished I kept it
Speaker 1: because it's a good conversation piece. Um. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: that was like ten years ago. And then wait, one
Speaker 1: more question you were giving you you were letting these
Speaker 1: people have your address box. Oh, thank god, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm very concerned safety. Yeah, that's that's that's a reasonable question. Um.
Speaker 1: So after I did that, I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: can say I've sold my ship before. I don't really
Speaker 1: want to do this regularly because I'm dealing with my
Speaker 1: ship and you know, there's other ways of making money.
Speaker 1: So whenever someone, um would ask about my ship from
Speaker 1: then on, I would just give him a ridiculous price
Speaker 1: over the top, Like I would say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like four thousand dollars. Yeah, and they'll just be like
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, that's how much. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it, but if you wanted that bad, I'll
Speaker 1: do it exactly, you know, And uh, you know, of
Speaker 1: course for people just like no, and they wouldn't buy
Speaker 1: it um until recently. I think it was last year
Speaker 1: someone finally said yes to four thousand dollars. Someone paid
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars for your poop and he bought it twice.
Speaker 1: They he bought eight thousand dollars worth of your you're
Speaker 1: putting out a great product, Yeah, I guess what. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I want to get really grossing. How big of
Speaker 1: a piece do you sending? Like, yeah, you gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta know that. Yeah, I mean a full bottel movement?
Speaker 1: And when have you ever had on one and be like, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't because another one four thousand dollars worth. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're buying my waist, I can't imagine, like you
Speaker 1: don't have any room to be picky about it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't send someone like diarrhea, right, because if they're paying
Speaker 1: that much, they probably want to get solid one I've got.
Speaker 1: I've got guys asked specifically for a diarrhea before. Wow,
Speaker 1: have you done that? I haven't. No, So literally that's
Speaker 1: hard to transport and you can get it on your hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, you just wash it. But like, damn, I've
Speaker 1: only sold my ship those three times. So the first
Speaker 1: time it was a hundred dollars, and ten years later
Speaker 1: I sold it twice for dollars worth of ship market value.
Speaker 1: And it's like when you're a woman. We talked about
Speaker 1: this when we did we did a TED talk back
Speaker 1: and we talked about like this. When I was looking
Speaker 1: for like odd jobs on Craigslist, one of them was
Speaker 1: I'll pay you like three dollars or whatever it was
Speaker 1: to massage your foot. That's all really, And then it's
Speaker 1: you as a woman. It's so every part of you
Speaker 1: and part that could come out of you is worth
Speaker 1: someone will buy it. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, there's girls
Speaker 1: little like sell like shavings of their feet, you know,
Speaker 1: from those pettings. Yeah yeah, yeah, just like you know,
Speaker 1: dead skin cells and tone oil clippings and snot rags
Speaker 1: and well yes, so I was reading and it said
Speaker 1: you did you you've sold like bathroom waste products, like
Speaker 1: have you still like tampons and stuff? I would assume
Speaker 1: you have my tampons before? Oh man, is it just
Speaker 1: one tampon that you give them? Usually? I mean I
Speaker 1: have pretty light periods, so it's you know, I can't
Speaker 1: really give them like a whole Do they ever complain
Speaker 1: about like there's no blood on this tample. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1: If I do get complaints like, it's usually that it's
Speaker 1: not smelling enough, it's not dirty enough. I think banned
Speaker 1: review because that you can't help. At the same time,
Speaker 1: if they do have a complaint, they have a right
Speaker 1: to at least say something. I guess because they're paying
Speaker 1: for it. You have a right as to an extent
Speaker 1: as the consumer. Yeah, I know, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: negotiate those things out of time. Do you have any
Speaker 1: information as far as like psychologically white because the panti
Speaker 1: thing is so common, but then like the fecal matter,
Speaker 1: I just really really can't get my mind around like
Speaker 1: had had you have any insight to that? Like why why?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think anything that's taboo, you know, it's
Speaker 1: going to be eroticized. Yeah, somenything that's just like so
Speaker 1: disgusting and so pulseless, definitely getting off on it. And
Speaker 1: you you have, I mean, ever since you started, you
Speaker 1: really had no problem finding men who will either want
Speaker 1: to be humiliated, which we will get to or they
Speaker 1: want to purchase like something like your ship or a tampon.
Speaker 1: Like so it's so interesting to me this whole masculinity
Speaker 1: thing because men seem way more interested in being humiliated.
Speaker 1: Yet masculinity just stereotypically is like that's the most dangerous
Speaker 1: thing you could do to shatter it or or poke
Speaker 1: at it or you know, interrogates. But like just like
Speaker 1: bully a man is by emasculating him, that's so fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's back to it's just taboo, you know. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be submissive for you know, the right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be humiliated, so therefore they do. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I kind of dig humiliation and that like when we do,
Speaker 1: like when my boyfriend I do like a cuckolding thing.
Speaker 1: I like watching him fun somebody else. One element that
Speaker 1: we haven't really incorporated I kind of want to push,
Speaker 1: but I'm too nervous to ask for is like having
Speaker 1: the girl like not make fun of me, but just
Speaker 1: kind of in a way that's like I'm fucking your boyfriend,
Speaker 1: fuck you something like that. But it's humiliating, I guess,
Speaker 1: And that's so hot to me. But I am my
Speaker 1: ego is can be pretty large, and I am very
Speaker 1: like more of a masculine woman I think, So I'm
Speaker 1: like I wonder if that's there's a tie between that's
Speaker 1: that's interesting. I met many women that are into cucolding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I met a couple. But one of the things
Speaker 1: when I looked at your website, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder that's the first idea that I thought of.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, do you do that? But when
Speaker 1: you you never meet anybody in person? No, I don't
Speaker 1: do in person sessions. I'm not okay, it's all all
Speaker 1: everything I do, like erotically, I suppose is online. Is
Speaker 1: there any commonality that you find between most of the
Speaker 1: men who seek your services, Like, is there any like
Speaker 1: one thread that you can say honestly no, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you hear that cliche of like, oh, these are
Speaker 1: all high powered ceo s you know want to be
Speaker 1: you know, because they're in power all the time. They
Speaker 1: want that power taken away. And I think that's just
Speaker 1: a total cliche. I talked to all walks of life,
Speaker 1: like young, old, you know, different classes, different races, like
Speaker 1: you know, to be fair, a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: because I only talked to him online, I don't really
Speaker 1: get a lot of information about them besides just what
Speaker 1: gets them off. So there might be, but not the
Speaker 1: one that I've noticed. Have women ever contacted you for services? Um?
Speaker 1: Only one, UM, and I don't know if it'd be
Speaker 1: fair to say that she contacts me for herself. She
Speaker 1: orders custom videos from me UM and there for basically
Speaker 1: her boyfriend's her boyfriend's fetish, but they watch them together
Speaker 1: and that's kind of a little I guess, what do
Speaker 1: you say in the video? Well, so his fetish. I
Speaker 1: guess he got a circumcision later in life, like as
Speaker 1: a teenager, and UM, if my understanding is right, he um,
Speaker 1: it's like sixteen or something. And after he got it done,
Speaker 1: he couldn't masturbate for six weeks and it was really painful,
Speaker 1: and his mother like was the one that arranged it,
Speaker 1: and he had some mean sister that would make fun
Speaker 1: of him for it. So in the videos, I'm role
Speaker 1: playing his braddy's sister, just making fun of the fact
Speaker 1: that he has to get a circumcision. He layers and
Speaker 1: how cool was his girlfriend that She's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just together, what chick see. I was fine
Speaker 1: with everything until the sister in sess came along and
Speaker 1: then I got freaked out. That's funny comment, I know,
Speaker 1: it freaks me out. Steps like step siblings hot reale siblings.
Speaker 1: Well that's just my personal No, I really get it.
Speaker 1: But I think what a lot of people don't understand is, um,
Speaker 1: when people have a quote unquote incest fetish, they're getting
Speaker 1: off on the idea of a sister or the of
Speaker 1: course still honestly the world, like that's the only thing
Speaker 1: that will can get my mind off sex. As if
Speaker 1: I think your family member, I will like I work
Speaker 1: on a vom I've accidentally watched porn and I didn't
Speaker 1: look at the title and then like and then in
Speaker 1: the middle they're like, oh, I hope mom doesn't find out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait what what At the time, my brother
Speaker 1: and sister, I'm like, no, god damn, even though they're
Speaker 1: not brother and sister in the video of the porn stars.
Speaker 1: But that that idea squeaks me out, But that idea
Speaker 1: of other people does not. I think it's hot, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: think it's hot. Like they while they are open about
Speaker 1: like watching and sets porn, but what what to you?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe and maybe you can't even put your
Speaker 1: finger on it is hot about it? Um? I kind
Speaker 1: OF's just taboo. Yeah, do you do you find yourself
Speaker 1: attracted to a ferent taboos? Um myself, let's see, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like like I always wonder like people who do like
Speaker 1: dominatric story humiliators, like how how quote unquote weird are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I don't get aroused by any thing I do personally.
Speaker 1: I mean anything I do personally, anything I do for
Speaker 1: work and um, but I don't know, honestly, I tend
Speaker 1: to adapt the um the chinks of whatever guy I'm with.
Speaker 1: Like I usually like start like watching the porn they liked.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because you guys mentioned brother and sister,
Speaker 1: Like the guy I'm sleeping with right now, Like, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of porn he likes. So lately that's all
Speaker 1: I've been watching. I've actually started doing I've done that
Speaker 1: too with every guy. I'm always one of the first
Speaker 1: things I want to know is what kind of porn
Speaker 1: they watch, because I I'm so fascinated by what turns
Speaker 1: them on. And I love the idea of me privately
Speaker 1: watching a porn that they've jerked off too, because I know,
Speaker 1: like I can just envision them getting off to this
Speaker 1: and that's what I ultimately masturbate too, and it's so hot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, Like I you know, I think most
Speaker 1: people get off on their partner being aroused. So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're watching something's like, oh this, you know, gave
Speaker 1: him a heart, dick turns you on. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I've specifically try not to watch the porn that
Speaker 1: like my boyfriend watches because I don't want a clouding
Speaker 1: like the vision of who I am it's extremely different
Speaker 1: than you because I don't. Yeah, then I'll just then
Speaker 1: I'll make me freak out, like well, well then then
Speaker 1: what's happening. I had a bad incident with someone who
Speaker 1: liked like bodybuilder porn. You you know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, it just it was just freaked
Speaker 1: me out. Anyway. So do you have relationships throughout these
Speaker 1: or just have buddies or um? That's kind of been
Speaker 1: my m O lately. I've had some more serious relationships. Um,
Speaker 1: but how are you twenty nine? Yeah? Ok, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah at the moment, I've just been kind of
Speaker 1: floating around and it's been nice. How what's the most
Speaker 1: you've ever gotten to know one of your clients Um,
Speaker 1: I do have a client. Um, he actually flew me
Speaker 1: out to New York. Um, so I've been talking to
Speaker 1: him for about over ten years and um yeah, and
Speaker 1: he uh really nice guy. Really, you know really he
Speaker 1: said he's a teacher. Um, he's a teacher. And he's
Speaker 1: a teacher, not a professor. Just I was like, did
Speaker 1: you fled coach plane as a spirit airlines? Know he's
Speaker 1: a professor, and yeah, We've been talking a long time.
Speaker 1: And he used to call um my ignore line. So
Speaker 1: I have these ignore lines. Um oh yeah, So basically
Speaker 1: I have I have my phone lines where I talk
Speaker 1: to guys, but I also have an ignore line where
Speaker 1: guys will call and I ignore them. I just pretty
Speaker 1: much say hello, and I confirmed that they know they
Speaker 1: called the ignore line. And if they say yes, I'm like,
Speaker 1: well you're a fucking idiot, aren't you, And I'll put
Speaker 1: the phone down. And as long as I stay on
Speaker 1: the line, I get paid for a minute. You get
Speaker 1: paid to tell guys a fucking idiot. Yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's my dream. But then, so what do you do?
Speaker 1: Like you leave it off the hook so that they
Speaker 1: can hear you, like doing stuff around your house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that could be part of it. Um, Yeah, or like
Speaker 1: if I'm feeling particularly generous, I might have my ignored
Speaker 1: cam on, so I'll just turn on my cam but
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever and ignore them and on Twitter
Speaker 1: or something and just sucking candy crush and get paid
Speaker 1: crush can Yeah, totally see, I can see. I'm more
Speaker 1: into that than they incest. Same same, but also like
Speaker 1: if I knew, God, had I known when I was
Speaker 1: looking for like the one time Crient and I just
Speaker 1: responded to craiglislad about a nude massage model because we
Speaker 1: thought it was a woman and we didn't end up
Speaker 1: doing it, but we tried. And yeah, that's maybe my
Speaker 1: biggest regret. I should have done this more exactly, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I should have done I would have shipped you my
Speaker 1: piss or my ship or underwear or whatever like. But
Speaker 1: finding that, I guess is it just I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know how that's conceivable. But that website E band band, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good place to start started, because I guess
Speaker 1: would would I'm trying to think if you know young
Speaker 1: women all the time, I don't want to say like
Speaker 1: what they should do or what they shouldn't do, But
Speaker 1: a lot of women go do porn to pay for college,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of they've said that that's why they're
Speaker 1: doing or they've stripped to go to college, you know,
Speaker 1: to get through college. And I'm sure a lot of them.
Speaker 1: And I've talked to some strippers specifically that get turned
Speaker 1: on when they do it, so they really like it.
Speaker 1: It's really empowering, empowering for them. So that makes total sense.
Speaker 1: But if as a woman, if I kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to get into that area but I was too timid
Speaker 1: to do either strip like being in person, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I would do that in a second. Yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's hard work stripping porn. Oh my god, you have
Speaker 1: taxing on the body. Yeah, and you just have to
Speaker 1: be very extroverted to and I'm a total introvert. The
Speaker 1: fact that I can make money like alone on my
Speaker 1: laptop is great, but it's the worst part of prostitution
Speaker 1: and stripping, the talking to people. I was like, we
Speaker 1: can have sex, but don't try to like talk me
Speaker 1: like because a lot of times they're like, oh men,
Speaker 1: just pay me and we end up cuddling. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that sounds like the worst. Rather ship in the bag. Wow. Um,
Speaker 1: is there any kind of confidentiality like paperwork or agreement
Speaker 1: that you have between these clients or that you've ever
Speaker 1: been presented with? No? Never, Wow, that's wow. Have you
Speaker 1: ever had some contact to you who you knew who
Speaker 1: they were because they were a celebrity? Um? No, but
Speaker 1: I do. But along those same lines like, uh, so
Speaker 1: I've had just the opposite of confidentiality. There's guys that
Speaker 1: have a blackmail fetish, so they will talk to me
Speaker 1: and send me, you know, embarrassing pictures of themselves and
Speaker 1: then their wife's email address or phone number, and his
Speaker 1: wife in on this. Well that's where it gets kind
Speaker 1: of you know, murky, as you really don't know if
Speaker 1: she is I guess, well, well the idea is she
Speaker 1: isn't because they you know, he wants me to. Threats
Speaker 1: are all play pretend, right exactly, And that's where it
Speaker 1: gets kind of blurred. So so you know, I'm cool
Speaker 1: with you know, if a guy you know, just pays
Speaker 1: for my time, pays you know, ten minutes on cam
Speaker 1: or whatever, and we can role play like oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell your wife this and whatever and I'm not
Speaker 1: really going to do it, and once attendants are up
Speaker 1: like that, then it's over. But a lot of these guys, they,
Speaker 1: you know, because people want their fantasies to feel real,
Speaker 1: like they'll really try and like, you know, like you know, here,
Speaker 1: here's this information used against me. But they're just a rouse.
Speaker 1: And you know how dumb guys are when they're aroused, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, the more is my wife's address and
Speaker 1: a phone number. Can you call real quick and tell
Speaker 1: her I'm drinking off to you? Yeah? And then you know,
Speaker 1: they come and then they freak out. They're just like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want this. I want this. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times after like I come, like
Speaker 1: when we've done the three way thing, and I like
Speaker 1: I come and I'm like, all right, let's go. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this anymore. Let's go E pizza
Speaker 1: or something like. And so I would imagine if it's
Speaker 1: a humiliated centric fetish that they immediately either want to
Speaker 1: take it back or like regret it. Yeah, I mean guys,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like flipping a switch. After they come.
Speaker 1: They're just totally different people. They really are. Wow. And
Speaker 1: if you ever read anybody like freak the funk out
Speaker 1: on you after they came. Yeah, I've gotten guys get
Speaker 1: really mad at me. This is pretty rare. I don't
Speaker 1: want to make a sound because them exceptions. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I had one guy that just wanted me to humiliate
Speaker 1: him and dance around and laugh at him, and then
Speaker 1: after the game he was just like, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: You're such a terrible person. Okay, because this is this
Speaker 1: was that leads me into one of the questions I
Speaker 1: had for you. I thought it was so great that
Speaker 1: these men feel comfortable with you. There's not even a
Speaker 1: confidentiality agreement. They just trust you and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: fucking do anything that's unprofessional because you respect their kings
Speaker 1: and you're open and you're cool with it and you're
Speaker 1: not judging. But then I'm like, so, I wonder if
Speaker 1: those types of men are feminists in that they like,
Speaker 1: are cool with women and they support women and they
Speaker 1: respect women as equals or But it sounds like if
Speaker 1: a guy does has that reaction afterwards unless it's part
Speaker 1: of his king. But after guys come, they're so different
Speaker 1: that maybe they're not like maybe they're just misogynist assholes.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I talked to all walks of life,
Speaker 1: and and the vast majority of the guys I talked to,
Speaker 1: you know, seem like decent, good people. But there are
Speaker 1: certain guys who do not want to like what they like,
Speaker 1: and they hate themselves for it. And but instead of
Speaker 1: really hating themselves for it, they hate me for it,
Speaker 1: you know, because they need someone to project it on.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm doing something to them, even though I
Speaker 1: never approach anyone. You know, you right, if you want
Speaker 1: my services, you have to come to me, you know,
Speaker 1: and give me money. So do those guys ever, are
Speaker 1: they a repeat clients? Yeah? Sometimes I had. There's a
Speaker 1: guy who kind and get off again. He was actually
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of money. He was a student,
Speaker 1: but he really liked being humiliated, and so his stick
Speaker 1: was he would just harass women like me and and
Speaker 1: just antagonize them and find like he's actually, to his credit,
Speaker 1: was very smart. He would find ways of insulting them
Speaker 1: in really personal ways so that they would then lash
Speaker 1: back at him, and then he would just jerk off
Speaker 1: while they were like angry, controlled them online pretty much
Speaker 1: that which I knew. I had a theory that trolls
Speaker 1: were just jerking off to the angry responses and that's
Speaker 1: why I shouldn't respond to them. But then do you
Speaker 1: So when you have sessions with those kind of guys,
Speaker 1: do they do that to you? Um? Well, like in
Speaker 1: that case, like I totally got it he was doing.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, you don't have any money to
Speaker 1: pay for this, so you're right, so he's instigating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so my strategy was just to be totally nice to him,
Speaker 1: you know. But then he didn't get off, did he Yeah? Exactly,
Speaker 1: Like he wasn't paying, so he doesn't deserve to service. Wow. Right,
Speaker 1: So there is a type of it does sound some
Speaker 1: guys online when they just act like nothing they say
Speaker 1: has any repercussions, which when you're online comment section a
Speaker 1: lot of times it does not. It seems oddly sexually
Speaker 1: charged to me, even if they don't if the insult
Speaker 1: is not sexual. Yeah, I mean that's because it's like
Speaker 1: an overpowering a woman and that's what they're like getting.
Speaker 1: It seems like they're getting off on it. It's like
Speaker 1: statistical most Yeah, I mean they're probably people that don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of power in their lives in general,
Speaker 1: and so you know, to get a reaction out of someone,
Speaker 1: especially someone you know, like you guys, you don't have
Speaker 1: a super popular podcast of attention like you know, to
Speaker 1: get you guys upset. It's probably like, yes, that's why
Speaker 1: that one time we got a guy rte an oracle
Speaker 1: about us, we just like read it and made fun
Speaker 1: of it and laughed our asses off and like, I
Speaker 1: bet he hates this. Like the worst thing we could
Speaker 1: do in his eyes is be like, oh my God
Speaker 1: called its gubb dubsers is hilarious. It really didn't make
Speaker 1: me mad though, Like the things that actually upset me
Speaker 1: are like things from people who say they like us
Speaker 1: that are just like hurt like me trying to be hard,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't hurt my feelings, but like we've talked
Speaker 1: about this a lot, just like women saying like cruel
Speaker 1: women are more and they're just like they're just it's
Speaker 1: like just shows me that you don't understand us at all,
Speaker 1: Like what you're so off, Like that's so frustrating. Just
Speaker 1: I mean like just I mean about like person like
Speaker 1: a personality or that like they thought we'd be pretty
Speaker 1: like I've seen a lot of comments on crends before
Speaker 1: she disabled the comment section of like I thought you'd
Speaker 1: be prettier or because people try to use tactics like
Speaker 1: that on me because I'm so uh like aggressive. Uh
Speaker 1: and it's really how you instigate me, not her, And
Speaker 1: people get um because that because they don't realize like that,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting upset about myself. I'm getting upset over
Speaker 1: humanity then, which is like a way bigger concept. So um,
Speaker 1: yeah that's what I write. That doesn't matter. Um And uh,
Speaker 1: how but come going off of that, how has this career,
Speaker 1: if at all, affected your self esteem? Oh? Um, I
Speaker 1: it's a good question because well, any time anyone asked
Speaker 1: me how my career has affected my life, it's hard
Speaker 1: to say because I don't know any different. Um, but
Speaker 1: I think if any like sweet life, if anything, it's
Speaker 1: it's been a rettle positive effect on it. You know,
Speaker 1: I do have a really good self esteem and have
Speaker 1: a great life, and um, you know it's it's if anything,
Speaker 1: it's it's I try to keep my ego and check
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, because yeah, you high tax
Speaker 1: bracket because of this ship. That's a really badass, Like
Speaker 1: it's really fucking thank you, damn that's cool, you own.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I watched that newspiece that they were saying,
Speaker 1: you own two homes, you have a brand new car,
Speaker 1: Like that's incredible, and it's something that's I just I
Speaker 1: love stories like these because it's the men are totally
Speaker 1: cool with it and they're open to like being really
Speaker 1: that's vulnerable. Having paying somebody to humiliate you, I think
Speaker 1: is it's pretty vulnerable, Like sex is vulnerable. But a
Speaker 1: lot of times men don't think they have that wall up,
Speaker 1: and some women do too, because it's all like a
Speaker 1: good kid feelings, but when it's about a kink, it's
Speaker 1: just like pure sexual lust or whatever. I think the
Speaker 1: fact that's online makes a lot easier to you have
Speaker 1: the amy um, you know, and you know these guys
Speaker 1: have these fetishes and and they can't help it, you know,
Speaker 1: and they need an outlet somewhere. And I think what
Speaker 1: would be really vulnerable is is if more of them
Speaker 1: told their wives about what they're into. Because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's like, well if if they think because
Speaker 1: I've heard dance, I haven't talk about this all time.
Speaker 1: It fascinates me because if the wife would truly not
Speaker 1: be okay with it and be like, then yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it is best to hide it, like you don't have
Speaker 1: to tell the person every single facet of your working. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I get it, like I understand it does me too,
Speaker 1: but I do understand it kind of. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: one of those things I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: don't realize utill it's too late. I talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that think they they'll get over this,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll get over their fetish or they'll change somehow,
Speaker 1: you know. So Yeah, I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: get into a situation where they meet someone, they get married,
Speaker 1: and they maybe have a few kids, and they're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: this isn't going away. And I really can't tell my partners.
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of gotten this far without saying anything.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had, um, the spouse or partner of
Speaker 1: your clients contact you? Um, I've had what I believe
Speaker 1: to be guys pretending to be their spouse and Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely a woman and I love the color pink.
Speaker 1: I just put in the oven and I am watching Oprah. Hi. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or what I like to say is, you know, I
Speaker 1: found out my husband's watching your videos. What should I
Speaker 1: do to punish him? Uh? Like, well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: for some money. Oh my goodness, Um, how how long
Speaker 1: do you see yourself doing this? For? Um? As long
Speaker 1: as it makes sense too. I know that sounds kind
Speaker 1: of vague, but I intentionally keep it vague. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: shocked that I not only I'm still making money doing this,
Speaker 1: but I make more money every year. Yeah. Why would
Speaker 1: you would you get a degree in college psychology? Oh? Actually, perfect?
Speaker 1: Because that helps like pad your understanding and like you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of evaluate what's happening and being able to
Speaker 1: understand all this stuff. Yeah. I mean I have my
Speaker 1: bachelors though, so if I wanted to pursue that, I
Speaker 1: definitely have to go back to school at some point.
Speaker 1: But I don't know the older I get and just
Speaker 1: the way it's like, oh yeah, because it's kind of
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you really want to do?
Speaker 1: Um as far as your career. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're just like, you know, pizzas you want to eat
Speaker 1: and things like that, right, Yeah, I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: a good question. I I don't like career wise, I
Speaker 1: don't have any obvious passions. You know, I love traveling,
Speaker 1: I love you know, writing a lot. Um, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. My strategy has always been just to work
Speaker 1: towards my investments, you know, um and save my money,
Speaker 1: like stock investments are like how real estate, well everything
Speaker 1: real estate, building a diverse financial portfolio exactly because it's
Speaker 1: like if you prepare right, you probably could you could
Speaker 1: retire pretty young. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just that Vanguard account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It scares me because I I there's
Speaker 1: a girl on my industry who um, you know how
Speaker 1: many are there? Like five than you might think actually
Speaker 1: and specific humiliatrix. Well, I mean it's a lot more
Speaker 1: popular because a lot of girls see it and they
Speaker 1: think it's super Well, of course, I imagine there's people
Speaker 1: listening to this right now. People are going to sign
Speaker 1: up for it. The value of panties is gonna plummet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to make your stock drop. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But also to you have a personality that
Speaker 1: um would lend itself to being extra good at You're
Speaker 1: very like a Daria kind of like I can imagine
Speaker 1: putting on like you and Karnin have it like a
Speaker 1: similar demeanor of like to you before I got here,
Speaker 1: no no no, no, no no no, just like an
Speaker 1: over it kind of attitude, and that to me would
Speaker 1: be the perfect person to be humiliated by because you
Speaker 1: just really don't give a ship. And I've also had
Speaker 1: the luxury of time. I've been doing this so long
Speaker 1: and I've had enough probably great at it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and to build just my brand. I can't get that name,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's kind of true, like you know,
Speaker 1: I've you know, I have like you know, I've made
Speaker 1: some videos at this point, and just you know, I've
Speaker 1: had time to really approve myself, if you Yeah, your
Speaker 1: website was impressive because I was like, what is there
Speaker 1: going to be like fucking like a rubber chicken on
Speaker 1: this website? And then like I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what this means. And then I looked at your
Speaker 1: website and I was like, oh, this is greatest, is
Speaker 1: super professional. I'm into it. And then like for the videos,
Speaker 1: do you get you don't get new Tony. I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask you that I wanted to watch them in
Speaker 1: the cab, but then I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm doing a press play on and
Speaker 1: I didn't want anyone running off the roads. I don't
Speaker 1: get naked in my video. Damn, so all this you
Speaker 1: never even showed a titty, that's amazing. But you do
Speaker 1: suggestive stuff like you know, cropped like I saw, like
Speaker 1: you know a lot of like open leg with your
Speaker 1: panties on. I mean I do these things for free
Speaker 1: on Instagram. So and then booty and stuff. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's certainly racy. Yeah, but well a lot of my clients, Um,
Speaker 1: the whole fantasy is they're not worthy of seeing me naked.
Speaker 1: Well I was going to say probably that freeze, which
Speaker 1: is a heat that work because money it against us
Speaker 1: all the time. But that, yeah, not knowing what your
Speaker 1: naked body looks like is probably such a big turn
Speaker 1: onto that. Yeah, because one of what you can't have
Speaker 1: is like bingo, there you go. Yep, damn what do
Speaker 1: you and what's your sex life like? Like what do
Speaker 1: you what are your kinks or did if any? Um gosh,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty boring compared to um my clients. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see. I like rough sex. Yeah yeah, um, I
Speaker 1: like conor lingus as all women do the best, not everyone.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that feel really uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: it because they're insecure. I was like sucking this guy
Speaker 1: the other day, not the other day. Sorry, it was
Speaker 1: a few months ago, and um, seems like yes, it
Speaker 1: seems like yesterday. Yeah, And he like like I asked
Speaker 1: him to go down on me and he said no,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, all right, so sat on
Speaker 1: his face, you want to go down? And he was outraged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just like I can't believe you did that.
Speaker 1: You didn't even ask. And I'm like, whatever, you liked it,
Speaker 1: He's like yes, but that's not the point. See. That's
Speaker 1: so interesting though, because that's like kind of like a
Speaker 1: blurred consent line, right, and it's confusing. If the guy
Speaker 1: did that to me, I'd get out of my house now.
Speaker 1: But men, it is weird. It's a weird line where
Speaker 1: like I mean, if you sound like he did enjoy it,
Speaker 1: but like also, there had to have been a couple
Speaker 1: of seconds from you getting whatever position you were to
Speaker 1: like getting on top of his face, so he kind
Speaker 1: of knew where it was going. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: a boundary pusher himself. So I felt like it was
Speaker 1: a whole game, the whole night. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: working with each other, have you how do you like,
Speaker 1: how do you meet guys for you? Um, how do
Speaker 1: I meet guys for me? Uh? You know, mostly I
Speaker 1: meet guys when I travel. Um, so maybe that says
Speaker 1: something about my feeling towards commitment. But usually if I
Speaker 1: hook up at the guy, it's like when I'm traveling
Speaker 1: abroad and then just like via like an app or
Speaker 1: just actually living life. Yeah yeah, I'm just going out.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you meet him in a while, that's great,
Speaker 1: Just go to a bar. Well. I stay at hostiles
Speaker 1: a lot when I travel, and so that's you meet
Speaker 1: a good dick at you take at hostiles with all
Speaker 1: your money because I like to meet people. It's a
Speaker 1: great way to meet people. And here's some good dick
Speaker 1: in hostels. But you said you're introverted, so how does
Speaker 1: that but you like to meet people? Well yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I mented were in the sense that like too
Speaker 1: much social intera the party, but one on one you're good. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I do like groups. It's just like I just need
Speaker 1: a lot of alone time, I guess, but I do
Speaker 1: like being around people, you know. Okay, and then your
Speaker 1: do your parents? Now, yeah, what are they? What was
Speaker 1: that like? Telling them? Why did you start to tell them?
Speaker 1: What did you say, well, okay, so this is a
Speaker 1: long time ago that I told them, but I kind
Speaker 1: of had to because I was obviously making a lot
Speaker 1: of money and I was talking about I was working
Speaker 1: at Starbucks, so it wasn't working. Like like, that's the
Speaker 1: worst lie you could have said, something like like I
Speaker 1: have a desk, I'm a secretary at a law firm.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, all those things make more money.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know, but I was in my
Speaker 1: early twenties and like all of a sudden, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a bigger apartment and buying a car and all that.
Speaker 1: Did they ask where were you? Kind of well, so
Speaker 1: my mom is very reserved, keeps yourself. Um. So she
Speaker 1: you know, she's fine, pretending like nothing's happening. You know.
Speaker 1: My dad is, um, you know, just very you know,
Speaker 1: can't ignore the elephant in the room. You know, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna bring it up. Yeah, but kind of because
Speaker 1: he thought like he thought it was something worse than
Speaker 1: it was. You know, It's basically how it came down to.
Speaker 1: And so we're hanging out one time, went to dinner
Speaker 1: and he was just like, you know what, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. In your life. But I
Speaker 1: just want you to know like that I love you
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to be safe and if you're
Speaker 1: in a jam, you know, you can tell me. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh god, he thinks I'm like a prostitute
Speaker 1: or I'm doing drugs or something like that. You're selling drugs.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: And he's just like, no, no, I don't even know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's that weird. I want to make sure my daughters, say,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know what she's doing, but I
Speaker 1: cut yeah, but like I could just tell it was
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a weird conversation you have with your dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I told him. I was like, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I cumulate men on the internet for living. Um,
Speaker 1: I just like that a girl. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't meet them, I don't get naked, I don't buck anyone, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's that's pretty much it. They
Speaker 1: just have weird fetishes and I cater to them. And
Speaker 1: he was just like, you're a genius. That's amazing. I
Speaker 1: read that article and I was like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because I feel like one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why we're talking about this recently, like why dad might
Speaker 1: be overly protective of daughters is because they know, how
Speaker 1: you were saying this Korean. They know how disgusting men
Speaker 1: can be, so they know what men are capable of.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if your dad knows, he I'm
Speaker 1: sure as a man he knows that men will just
Speaker 1: are what they think with their dicks. And he's probably Wow,
Speaker 1: and you're being safe and you're not getting naked and
Speaker 1: it's not like that's pretty. Yeah, so he thinks it's
Speaker 1: great and he's, like I said, he's he's very like
Speaker 1: charismatic social butterfly, and so he tells all his friends
Speaker 1: about it. Wow. Have any of you his friends ever? Requested?
Speaker 1: My next question, Well, okay, so my dad is gay.
Speaker 1: So most of fends are either women or other gay men.
Speaker 1: Oh your dad's gay. Oh that's I tell him everything dad.
Speaker 1: How your parents aren't married anymore? I'm just saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: how my roomaining college? Well, I mean I don't she
Speaker 1: didn't tell me, but I figure it out. How How
Speaker 1: can we talk about that? How did that play out? So? Uh?
Speaker 1: We When I was really little, my parents, when they
Speaker 1: were together, were very religious. Um, we were Joba witnesses,
Speaker 1: and so oh that's the one that you don't celebrate
Speaker 1: any parties, holidays, no birthday is so they got nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: So Christmas he just sat there like nothing was happening,
Speaker 1: just another just like guess we got'll get Chinese food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you didn't know anything else though, So it wasn't Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And and and also I had parents
Speaker 1: that were like, oh we're right, everyone else is wrong.
Speaker 1: So you know I felt special. It's like yeah, exactly. Um,
Speaker 1: so my parents got married super young. My mom was seventeen,
Speaker 1: my dad was twenty. Um, and um, yeah they split up.
Speaker 1: I think if they could have been happy together as
Speaker 1: just partners, they probably would have stuffed. Heard of those
Speaker 1: kinds of relationships sound kind of nice. Well, our our
Speaker 1: late friend, Kevin Meaney, I mean, was married for many
Speaker 1: years to someone who he's you know, I add his
Speaker 1: passing is still considered a very a very good friend.
Speaker 1: And he came out as a guy like in his
Speaker 1: fifties after having a child. Did you did your mom
Speaker 1: feel any sense of betrayal? Did she know? And she
Speaker 1: want to address it? Well, well, I guess I was
Speaker 1: kidding as like, I don't think they divorced because my
Speaker 1: dad was gay. I think that was certainly part of it.
Speaker 1: But they also just didn't really get along as people
Speaker 1: very well. They're all they're all thoughtsome, like they're great parents,
Speaker 1: but they just just very different people. And you chant
Speaker 1: when you're seventeen, you're drastically different when you're twenty two.
Speaker 1: I mean, good God, yeah, exactly. So kind of around
Speaker 1: the same time my parents split up, and they also
Speaker 1: left the religion and went through bankruptcy and all this
Speaker 1: like stuff. How were you during this seven or right? Oh,
Speaker 1: did you feel that turmoil where they were they transparent
Speaker 1: with you about what was going on? Not? I mean
Speaker 1: they were open, but I was so young. I didn't,
Speaker 1: Like I remember them talking about like bankruptcy, but I
Speaker 1: don't really know what that meant. And they didn't really
Speaker 1: explain to me that they weren't going to be trouble
Speaker 1: witnesses anymore, because it was kind of a slow crisis
Speaker 1: of faith, like they were just we just kind of
Speaker 1: stopped going to church and then eventually kind of noticed
Speaker 1: it started celebrating a birthday, not until I was like twelve, Okay, Yeah, um.
Speaker 1: And then uh, and that's actually around the time my
Speaker 1: dad came out to me, Um, how how was that conversation? Well,
Speaker 1: I already knew twelve. Yeah you are smart. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay, it was there a few clues lying around,
Speaker 1: and one of them being his porn on his computer. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then later he um asked me too, because he
Speaker 1: works at this shop kind of by where we were living,
Speaker 1: and he would always ask me like, hey, can you
Speaker 1: bring me those? Can bring me this because it's just
Speaker 1: a few walks away. And one time he asked me
Speaker 1: to bring him an envelope that was on his desk,
Speaker 1: and I can only assume he didn't know the envelope
Speaker 1: wasn't sealed or whatever, but I just remember opening it
Speaker 1: and it was like these tickets to like the game
Speaker 1: in Squire or something like that. That's okay because like
Speaker 1: the first the porn thing, like, we had a female roommate,
Speaker 1: so I was like, maybe it's her. You and your
Speaker 1: mom and dad know my dad had a female room
Speaker 1: put up. It's so interesting though, because heterosexual women watched
Speaker 1: lesbian porn all the time and no one ever goes
Speaker 1: and they're like everthing like yeah, but so but like
Speaker 1: a straight man if he was watching gay porn, everyone
Speaker 1: like you're gay, and it's like, well does that mean
Speaker 1: I got him confused? I mean that's and then that
Speaker 1: right there is one of the huge like frustrations around
Speaker 1: I would think masculinity for from a man's perspect because
Speaker 1: it's like you really have to say in this fucking box.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know that. I'm truly, I'm truly
Speaker 1: I'm curious if any heterosexual men really do find gay
Speaker 1: porn arousing. But if you are heterosexual man, truly heterosexual,
Speaker 1: not like lying to us, I think you would have
Speaker 1: to be at least by I mean, because I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not by at all. But I can watch them
Speaker 1: lesbian I porn women are different. It's also because women
Speaker 1: seem like they're having fun and the lesbian porn it
Speaker 1: it's less aggressive and and there are some days I
Speaker 1: don't love lesbian porn, but there are some days that
Speaker 1: I just hate men so much that I hear you
Speaker 1: it's like it's like this is this is good, and
Speaker 1: this is refreshing, this is nice. Have you heard about
Speaker 1: those studies they did where they hooked up something or
Speaker 1: another two men and women like their genitals to see
Speaker 1: like how aroused they were, and then showed a different imagery.
Speaker 1: And men, you know, they would they would say what
Speaker 1: they found arousing, and then they would show what they
Speaker 1: found arousing. Wo. Men like what their dick said is
Speaker 1: what they said, you know, I get matched. But women
Speaker 1: like they responded to everything. They responded like bona bows,
Speaker 1: having sex and like you know, gay stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: looking and stuff straight stuff like pretty much everything they
Speaker 1: had a reaction to. But then, um, but what they
Speaker 1: said they liked was just kind of more selective. I
Speaker 1: think women are just like the actuality is just more fluid. Um.
Speaker 1: And there's maybe some you know, subconscious things too. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think all these women's were necessarily liars or
Speaker 1: suppressed or anything that might have been part of it.
Speaker 1: But but I think a lot of it's just you know,
Speaker 1: you don't almost don't even realize damn. And so so okay,
Speaker 1: so when you're dead, so the tickets, the porn, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when did he tell you? Um? Oh? And
Speaker 1: then okay. The first and final clue that Toye solidified
Speaker 1: is he were driving. We were driving in a car
Speaker 1: and he was just like so what do you think
Speaker 1: of gay people? You know, like testing the waters and
Speaker 1: such a sweet like approach to maybe come and telling
Speaker 1: your daughter that you're gay, right, And it was like
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, I know exactly what
Speaker 1: you're doing right now. You know. Um, what did you
Speaker 1: say to him? I? Well, I said, um, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a problem with gay people
Speaker 1: because that's their choice. And he was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's actually not a choice, you know, it's just how
Speaker 1: people are born. And I'm like, okay, Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of distinction without a difference to me. I'm like whatever
Speaker 1: the other way. I you know, I don't care. Um.
Speaker 1: And then a couple of weeks later, we went out
Speaker 1: to see a movie and we're walking and you know,
Speaker 1: he's asking me like, so, are you dating anyone? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I'm like no, and he's
Speaker 1: like good ha ha. And then he's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I I I haven't really been dating anyone, uh since
Speaker 1: your mom and I divorced, And you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have you meet anyone unless they're really serious. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of rambling off about this and then
Speaker 1: Finally he's like yeah, And I was like, what do
Speaker 1: you what if I told you I was gay? And
Speaker 1: I just I was twelve years old. I was just
Speaker 1: as surly. Yeah, I just I just shrugged my shoulders
Speaker 1: like I don't think pretty much, okay, yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: just like that's it. I'm like, yeah, it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: me and your sister talked for like four hours. Sister
Speaker 1: she's four years older than me. Yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: that's like, that's unfair for him even to expect more
Speaker 1: out of a twelve year olds a lot for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but also too, I think, I mean, twelve is twelve
Speaker 1: was the agent I started getting like angry hormones and stuff,
Speaker 1: but like but also like eleven, I was still like whatever,
Speaker 1: everyone's great and we should treat people fairly and who cares.
Speaker 1: So there's that innocence still of childish childlikeness, and I
Speaker 1: just it was kind of same with my parents divorced.
Speaker 1: I just felt like this, this is between them, like
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with me, really, and and
Speaker 1: maybe I I was a little spoiled because you know,
Speaker 1: even though my parents divorced, I saw them both equally,
Speaker 1: like they're so both equally involved, and they were hostile
Speaker 1: towards each other. That can really be traumatic. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: they were totally mature, like they have saying like each
Speaker 1: other I can tell, but I can tell. But they
Speaker 1: were totally civil, really sure about it. So, um, it's
Speaker 1: pretty easy divorced. And what is what is Jehovah's witness
Speaker 1: as a religion think of gay people? Um? Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's something longline. It's like, it's okay if you gay,
Speaker 1: If you're gay, as long as you don't act on it,
Speaker 1: Okay to suppress it until you can't hold it anymore
Speaker 1: and you eventually glooks. You say, your life is a
Speaker 1: prison that you must live in perfect much? Did they
Speaker 1: were their parents Jehovah's Witnesses. Yeah, okay, so that's how
Speaker 1: they knew about Yeah, and a lot of my family
Speaker 1: is and um, it's also one of those religions where
Speaker 1: once you leave, you get shunned by the rest of
Speaker 1: your family. Scientology. Yeah, is there anybody in your family
Speaker 1: who or in your life who is like giving you
Speaker 1: a side eye for your career choice? No? Not really.
Speaker 1: I don't really talk to them because anyways, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh you don't you celebrate your birthday
Speaker 1: now you're dead to make pretty much. So it's like,
Speaker 1: why would I even go there with and my family?
Speaker 1: My relatives have lived all around the U s and
Speaker 1: so I I never really had a good relationship with
Speaker 1: them anyways. So I mean, I don't know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like a big loss. Um. I had a question
Speaker 1: because I saw when I was reading them some interesting
Speaker 1: stuff about you. Uh, there's a movie that's coming out
Speaker 1: about your life and your work called Ruined Me. How
Speaker 1: did that come about? I'm so fascinating. Is it a documentary?
Speaker 1: Is it? Are you in it? Yes? Are you an
Speaker 1: actress in it? Or yeah? Yeah, so I'm I'm the
Speaker 1: main character in it. And it's um, it's a hybrid documentary,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of it is pure documentary, but
Speaker 1: there is a fictional storyline within it because the filmmaker
Speaker 1: is a guy named Julian Shaw. He's Australian and he
Speaker 1: found me just randomly found one of my videos, um,
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was super interesting and wanted
Speaker 1: to get, you know, learn more about the world and
Speaker 1: maybe do a movie about it. Um. But as he
Speaker 1: got to know me, he realized that I am a
Speaker 1: very boring subject of a documentary because my life is
Speaker 1: pretty happy and crazy and not a lot of drama. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's where the fictional story line kind of come sense.
Speaker 1: So it's it's fun. Yeah, so it's it's a hybrid.
Speaker 1: That's great. What is the most I mean, has anything
Speaker 1: traumatic ever happen to you? I mean great? If not,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And its like you have had a couple
Speaker 1: of really you know, obviously you're dad coming out as gay.
Speaker 1: That that would have thrown some people off like the
Speaker 1: deep end. But I think it's just more like the
Speaker 1: way that you handle things seems to be like you're
Speaker 1: like you're like a little self centered. But it's and
Speaker 1: I see but I see that in like a good
Speaker 1: way because I see a lot of myself in you,
Speaker 1: because I'm self centered and I feel like people are
Speaker 1: so like quick to judge self centered people. But it's
Speaker 1: really like it's good for you because you're just worried
Speaker 1: about yourself. It's it's protection and it's smart and it's
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself so that you're a really competent
Speaker 1: human being and you can go out into the world
Speaker 1: more healthy and self aware. Like that's how I think
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not selfish, but I'm self centered and
Speaker 1: it probably makes you less judgmental, I would think, Like,
Speaker 1: which is why like when we're when guys can ask
Speaker 1: you to ship in a bag or your dad's like, hey, dudes,
Speaker 1: is that cool? You're like, I don't care, Like I'm
Speaker 1: fine with me, Like this is you and I know
Speaker 1: and I understand that. Yeah, I suppose, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: you're ready. I mean, I had a very unconventional childhood
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but I think the fact
Speaker 1: that might be rolled with it. Yeah, well, and I
Speaker 1: think the fact that my parents were just always great parents,
Speaker 1: just really solid. Um, you know, there's there's still like
Speaker 1: a lot of security there. Um. And then yeah, just
Speaker 1: I don't know, like weird has never been weird to
Speaker 1: me because I've had these weird experiences. Are you friends
Speaker 1: with a lot of other women who do what you do?
Speaker 1: And do you like share stories with each other? It's
Speaker 1: like the Babysitters Club? But like for Humiliatrix, is I
Speaker 1: love that? That's how I think of it. Like you
Speaker 1: all meet and you take your Hamburger phone and you're like, um,
Speaker 1: that's what have you heard? Anybody's a fellow in a
Speaker 1: person who does what you do, like crazy stories or
Speaker 1: is it all seem pretty safe? Well, um, I mean
Speaker 1: the thing is like, I don't know, nothing's particularly crazy
Speaker 1: to us. So it's it's actually more of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you've talked to this guy. Yeah, I talked to him too,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so there's like a watch out for this
Speaker 1: person he threatened me aroundn't know something or yeah luckily
Speaker 1: that has it doesn't happen too much. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more like because it's cool, like to talk to
Speaker 1: people like you that you know just uh you haven't
Speaker 1: ever really don't know much about this word, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: kind of like blow people's minds. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: also so nice to have people that's just like they
Speaker 1: get it, you know. Yeah, yeah you need that because, um,
Speaker 1: otherwise it could be really lonely, you know, because to
Speaker 1: have such an unusual job and that no one really understands.
Speaker 1: And yeah absolutely, But so so what are the things
Speaker 1: so you've you've done, you sold shit you sold? Have
Speaker 1: you sold your shavings of your feet? Have? Yeah? How
Speaker 1: much for that? Is there like a menu on your way? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should put one up there yeah, like brothels have menus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what I learned from the Bunny
Speaker 1: Ranch HBO show. That's my I mean, my my knowledge
Speaker 1: of the six industry is basically funny doc you style
Speaker 1: tickling documentary if you guys watched fascinating because this one,
Speaker 1: this one guy films this really attractive buff young man
Speaker 1: getting tickled in in the United States and uh, somebody,
Speaker 1: I forget where what country he was in that the
Speaker 1: documentary that found him. But and he was totally like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do this, and I pay this guy and he's
Speaker 1: cool with it, and he's like, well I don't really
Speaker 1: understand this, but whatever, and they're very transparent about it.
Speaker 1: And then there's this other group of dudes that do
Speaker 1: it that are so secretive that when the guy contacted
Speaker 1: him asking questions, they flew to his country and was like,
Speaker 1: don't fucking just stop. Stop what you're doing. We'll get
Speaker 1: lawyers on you. Just stop. And basically what they were
Speaker 1: doing is they were exploiting those young men and blackmailing them,
Speaker 1: and it seemed like they were getting off on blackmailing
Speaker 1: them later down the road. So it's like, if you
Speaker 1: could just be transparent about it. It's so much better.
Speaker 1: But what I mean, it's tickling. Who cares? I fucking
Speaker 1: hate tickling. I hate when people tickle me my number one.
Speaker 1: You know what? It was weird they showed in the documentary,
Speaker 1: like the guy who was very transparent about it. He
Speaker 1: trapped the guy into the chair and he and he
Speaker 1: tickled him with his hand, and I was kind of crap.
Speaker 1: It was weird. But he described like when you're being
Speaker 1: tickled that it's such a knee jerk reaction, like when
Speaker 1: you're having an orgasm, like you can't control it. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what they got off on interest. I had
Speaker 1: a girlfriend who she does more like in person sessions,
Speaker 1: and she met a guy who was in who was
Speaker 1: one of our clients that was into tickling, and so
Speaker 1: they would just meet in hotel rooms and he would
Speaker 1: tickle her um and that would be what they didn't
Speaker 1: he truly like, and she was she closed, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so, yeah, because she doesn't really she doesn't do
Speaker 1: nude either. So he would record the sessions just audio
Speaker 1: audio um, and you know, and then they talk afterwards
Speaker 1: and she was like, so what are you doing with
Speaker 1: these audio recordings? You know, trying to embarrass them and
Speaker 1: be like, well, you know, I jerk off to them
Speaker 1: because like he wouldn't be masturbating, and you know, when
Speaker 1: they were doing their sessions, Um, she's like, so what
Speaker 1: do you do these recordings? He's like, oh, they helped
Speaker 1: me sleep. He would listen to them to go to sleep.
Speaker 1: Not sweet. That's like, yeah, I was surprised by that answer.
Speaker 1: And with with those, when do you know anything about
Speaker 1: like your friends who do in person sessions at a
Speaker 1: hotel room, what do they do? Do they give the
Speaker 1: person their meeting? Do they require any information from them
Speaker 1: to give to a friend. I don't know, just in
Speaker 1: case some yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean all my
Speaker 1: friends are pretty smart, savvy girls, and yeah you get
Speaker 1: all the what are the good safety precautions to take
Speaker 1: when you do in person? So yeah, a lot of girls, Um,
Speaker 1: we'll only see guys who are have references, like okay,
Speaker 1: industry can vouch for that's smart. You know they get
Speaker 1: all the personal information, you know, copy their I D.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I always tell someone you know where you're
Speaker 1: at and how long you're going to be there and
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, I know you don't meet people in
Speaker 1: personal but I know you did mention that you do
Speaker 1: cash point meetups in New York where you just eat
Speaker 1: people and they give you money, and that did they
Speaker 1: get off on that? I assume so you say you
Speaker 1: like you're a little bitch boy, no cherry on top.
Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty casual about it. I just met a
Speaker 1: guy yesterday, really nice guy, total gentleman. He was like
Speaker 1: a retired military guy and he came all the way
Speaker 1: from Jersey to meet me at the Starbucks. Okay, so
Speaker 1: it's like my dad's were taught like, oh my dad's
Speaker 1: doing this. But he was met at Starbucks and he
Speaker 1: gave me five dollars, and you know, I was I
Speaker 1: was actually really hungover from the night before, so I
Speaker 1: was like, give me some coffee please, And did he
Speaker 1: like was that humiliation to him? Um? I don't see.
Speaker 1: You didn't do anything else online before or after that.
Speaker 1: I had apparently he bought my videos and once he
Speaker 1: bought me some things off my wish list, but I
Speaker 1: never talked to him before, so I hadn't buy me
Speaker 1: a coffee. And then we just chatted and I just
Speaker 1: asked him like sony into like just kind of like
Speaker 1: we're talking now. It wasn't like I was belittling him
Speaker 1: or anything. Oh so you actually do have a conversation.
Speaker 1: I thought it was literally like a d rug deal
Speaker 1: style money hand could have been, but yeah, because that
Speaker 1: probably could get off, Like that is a little risky.
Speaker 1: When I buy weed on the streets, I'm like, don't
Speaker 1: get on, but like I can see that happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm being at a Starbucks. It's
Speaker 1: like what, I'll talk to you for like ten fifteen minutes. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, he told me he was like in
Speaker 1: the ball busting like in a kitchen, the balls like
Speaker 1: shiny clothing like leather and latex and uh yeah, just
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. Totally totally nice guy. Have you
Speaker 1: ever like fallen for any guy or like been interested? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's just it's pure work. Yeah, have any of
Speaker 1: the guys, um I don't wanna be like like when
Speaker 1: they're older, Like, oh, I know, older guys can be hot,
Speaker 1: But I have any of these guys, um like just
Speaker 1: like really handsome, like hot guys that you were kind
Speaker 1: of like, Wow, this is interesting that you're paying me
Speaker 1: to do this right right? Basically, Yeah, Um, it's happened
Speaker 1: once I can't with a guy, and I was like
Speaker 1: kind of taking a back how good looking he was.
Speaker 1: It was a little distracting, but honestly, but did you
Speaker 1: want to humiliate him? Here's so he ugly man that
Speaker 1: you all. I he had an ass worship fetish, so
Speaker 1: he mostly just wanted to look at my ass and
Speaker 1: I just talked about in your pants, yeah, or you
Speaker 1: know my underwear and you know, so mostly just me
Speaker 1: telling him what he saying. What does the guy say
Speaker 1: to you when he's worshiping your ass? Uh, you're so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I love you, gottess, You're so hot. I me and
Speaker 1: signed me up. Yeah, that's amazing. And they I ever
Speaker 1: tried to grab your boob in one of these meetups
Speaker 1: or like touch you too long, or like give you
Speaker 1: like a weird hug or something, It's never been an issue.
Speaker 1: I mean, I find like when you when you are
Speaker 1: a femdom like I am, like guys are so much
Speaker 1: more respectful and nice. Like it does seem that way.
Speaker 1: Like when we talked to this woman who worked in
Speaker 1: a sex dungeon. She they were like they just seemed
Speaker 1: very polite, and she said there was this one guy
Speaker 1: who was a famous person, like a celebrity who was
Speaker 1: a douche. But yeah, that was it. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Yeah, that's true. And I may I have
Speaker 1: a lot of friends just in all facets of the
Speaker 1: sex industry and the ones that do like porn and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, guys are just gross and and yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's that, there's still there's a shame there. And
Speaker 1: I feel like with your clients, they're being open, and
Speaker 1: it's it speaks to exactly what we're like the point
Speaker 1: we kind of try and prove time and time again
Speaker 1: on the podcast of like if you are open about
Speaker 1: your sexuality and your kinks, not to the world, but
Speaker 1: just to like to to either your partner or someone
Speaker 1: like you, it's it's got to be such a weight
Speaker 1: off your shoulders and like you just it's like a
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air, Like you can really relax in
Speaker 1: your own sexuality and you're not carrying that shame around
Speaker 1: and like calling some girl a bit on the subway
Speaker 1: or whatever the funk because she looked at you weird,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it just seems like
Speaker 1: there's a huge correlation between being respectful and also being
Speaker 1: open about your own sexuality. The dynamic is different too
Speaker 1: that because this is less objectification and there's the control,
Speaker 1: the controls in your court, whereas with porn, I feel
Speaker 1: like it's just, you know, it's even though I I
Speaker 1: consume porn, I still struggle with the objectification of women,
Speaker 1: even when they are making the choice to do it.
Speaker 1: I still there's still like a thing that I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I think what the biggest difference there is that at
Speaker 1: least unless you're making amateur porn in your home, like
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the middleman, you know, Yeah, someone between
Speaker 1: you who you know has their vision and there's someone
Speaker 1: between you know, uh, you and the and the consumer. UM.
Speaker 1: So that's where women sometimes get exploited, get taken advantage
Speaker 1: of UM. But without I do I just need an
Speaker 1: Internet connection, you know to me like I don't report
Speaker 1: to anyone, Like no one has told me what to
Speaker 1: do if a guy is rude to me, like I
Speaker 1: could just block him. Yeah, So it makes a big difference. Nice.
Speaker 1: And then last question, because I wanted to go through
Speaker 1: all these things in the list because I was fascinated
Speaker 1: by everyone. You said you meet thirty dollars in one day, recently,
Speaker 1: how did you had you that? Um? So this was
Speaker 1: a customer I've been talking to on and off for
Speaker 1: like past ten years actually, and he's always kind of sweet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He has always been what I called bender, which means
Speaker 1: like if I see him, if he shows up, he
Speaker 1: is going to spend a lot of money in a
Speaker 1: short amount of time him. Uh, you know what he
Speaker 1: does for a living. Oh gosh, I think he told
Speaker 1: me one time something like yeah, yeah, he's just giving
Speaker 1: every single dollar. But yeah, hopefully I was sving a
Speaker 1: bank or something. Um. But so, yeah, so he always
Speaker 1: spent a lot um. But recently he contacted me. And
Speaker 1: I've gone like years without talking to him, and so
Speaker 1: he would pop up at the weirdest times. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: more recently he contacted me and was just in one
Speaker 1: of his moods and uh, just started sending me money.
Speaker 1: And you want to believe what little effort I put
Speaker 1: into it, Like I was just I was just talking
Speaker 1: to him on kick, like just encouraging him, like yes
Speaker 1: and more and like sending him Like a financial domination
Speaker 1: is men getting off on paying you just the act
Speaker 1: of paying you exactly, and it's just minimal interaction and
Speaker 1: not only did he spend thirty dollars on me, but
Speaker 1: he spent I believe, uh forty on another girl, around
Speaker 1: thirty another girl. Something to added up to like over
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars on like three or four different
Speaker 1: women within like a week period. Well did he tell
Speaker 1: you this or did you know the women? No, we
Speaker 1: just kind of figured it out because we're on Twitter
Speaker 1: and we brag about the money. We make it all four.
Speaker 1: That kind of like marketing for you, because if you're
Speaker 1: merely atrix, you're like, ho, this fucking paid me so much,
Speaker 1: Like I would imagine that's like comics tweeting jokes. Oh definitely.
Speaker 1: And well, other guys get excited about it that they'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I want to send you money now,
Speaker 1: like it encourages other guys, or sometimes guys will get jealous,
Speaker 1: they'll get competitive, like oh, I hate that guy. He's
Speaker 1: sending you more money than me. I'm going to send you. Well,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do about it? Do the price
Speaker 1: is right and give me a dollar more. That's a
Speaker 1: dick move. But with bragging about money, I mean, like again, security,
Speaker 1: like has that anyone ever attempted to like take your
Speaker 1: money from you in any you know sort of way,
Speaker 1: just like public bragging about money on the internet makes
Speaker 1: me very nervous. I've had guys like threatened to tell
Speaker 1: the I R S. Which is silly, because I pay
Speaker 1: my taxes. Yeah, how do you when they pay you?
Speaker 1: Do they sometimes pay you cash? Like that thirty dollars?
Speaker 1: Is that via online transfers of some time? Well? That's
Speaker 1: true because I mean, like you are your clients feeling
Speaker 1: out text like is this because what is that an
Speaker 1: expense of work? What? Well? I mean it'll come through
Speaker 1: on certain websites, like the platform websites that I get from,
Speaker 1: and then that website will send me attendanty nine. Wow.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, these are huge increments of
Speaker 1: money obviously. Okay, Wow. I have a question that it's
Speaker 1: not really related to sex, but like what and if
Speaker 1: you don't want to answer, this is kind of a
Speaker 1: personal financial question, but like how much what percentage of
Speaker 1: your income do you have to pay in taxes? Um?
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