Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast as Bold up this offseason.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room filled with some heroes. To my left, Christoph
Speaker 1: Westling time I right, Greg rose Athal, what's up? Boys?
Speaker 1: Hey Dan, Hey, hey West here in his lab coat.
Speaker 1: It's kind of disarming me. You look like a scientist
Speaker 1: right now. It's kind of a larger white button up.
Speaker 1: But then you have it over a blue polos, so
Speaker 1: you do kind of like a hot scientist. I'll give
Speaker 1: you that. Well. I knew that we were going to
Speaker 1: be in a colder studio. It's always coolder in here,
Speaker 1: so I just grabbed a white button down shirt from
Speaker 1: my chair when I went up here. That's all there
Speaker 1: was to it. Wow, it's huge, big shirt, big short,
Speaker 1: big man. And uh Greg Rosethal too, my right back
Speaker 1: from his big vacation, went back east. Don't hide. You
Speaker 1: went to the vineyard and you had a nice little week,
Speaker 1: didn't you had? What is this? He was just taking
Speaker 1: us there to the coast. The big blue house four
Speaker 1: stories high, uh private beach front view. Spent a couple
Speaker 1: of nights in Boston actually with a friend of mine Dave,
Speaker 1: and met uh some listeners of the show. He's a
Speaker 1: big time listener in the show. But also talked to
Speaker 1: some other people that that love the show and um,
Speaker 1: you know. Then went and stayed with my parents for
Speaker 1: four or five nights. It was great, first time I
Speaker 1: had the whole family together with my son. Was this
Speaker 1: your first time ever on Martha's vingeard? No, okay, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that was out there. No,
Speaker 1: my parents moved there. They retired there about ten ten
Speaker 1: plus years ago. Well, we missed you while you're gun.
Speaker 1: You missed a lot. You missed the NFL media summit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bad timing. You missed the Dodger game, miss some swag
Speaker 1: from that parents swag softball game, and also a little
Speaker 1: bit of a nuclear fallout. Well you sent me to
Speaker 1: my vacation. I meant to TEXTI too, in such a
Speaker 1: happy mood because he gave me a game ball right before,
Speaker 1: you know, the day before I got on the plane.
Speaker 1: What a game Greg had. What a way to go
Speaker 1: into your vacation with a with a great softball performance.
Speaker 1: I believe, what do you get on five times in
Speaker 1: that game that's right, a bunch of R B I S,
Speaker 1: a bunch of runs scored. Greg is really um stamped.
Speaker 1: His place on the lineup is now as the skip
Speaker 1: now comes to time, we're gonna stop pussy footing here
Speaker 1: halfway through the season and lock in a lineup. It
Speaker 1: was I think Greg has made a very strong case
Speaker 1: to be a regular at this point. But there was
Speaker 1: a veteran move getting that piece of job security like
Speaker 1: a game ball right before you go on vacation. Very smart, Greg,
Speaker 1: very smart, good timing for your performance. Anyway, that was
Speaker 1: right after you put him on notice too. It wasn't
Speaker 1: Greg specifically, but read through the line. Yeah, but Greg again,
Speaker 1: that's you gotta you know which buttons to push as
Speaker 1: skip and Greg. Gregored a lot to get to today, um,
Speaker 1: including an issue that Greg had with the wife of
Speaker 1: an NFL player, and we'll get to that a little
Speaker 1: bit later. We also, this is a big upside. It's
Speaker 1: a big episode, you know, I because we are going
Speaker 1: to break down players at the crossroads. Uh And what
Speaker 1: does that mean? That means pro high profile players, stars
Speaker 1: even who enter the seventeen season and there's a fork
Speaker 1: in the road for their career. They can go one way,
Speaker 1: which would be a good way, go the other way
Speaker 1: takes into some dark territory. Or they can make a
Speaker 1: deal with the devil that that gives them a little
Speaker 1: juice for the rest of their career. Nice crossroads, raff,
Speaker 1: good crossroads raff. Uh. So we'll talk about some players
Speaker 1: are in kind of a interesting position in their careers entering.
Speaker 1: That will be fun. Also, a lot of news to
Speaker 1: get to because how many teams is it? Thirty teams?
Speaker 1: Thirty teams have their mini camps this week. So yeah,
Speaker 1: a little surprise Forlizia. I bet you're little surprise right now,
Speaker 1: he said, Oh, I thought we didn't have a show
Speaker 1: until Tuesday. No, no, no no audible data that. Uh, we
Speaker 1: checked into shotgun formation. We reconfigure some guys, sent a
Speaker 1: guy in motion, and we're gonna do three shows this week.
Speaker 1: No Mark, by the way, Mark feeling under the weather.
Speaker 1: A little food poisoning. Hmm. We'll have to do some
Speaker 1: investigation there to find out if that's connected to the
Speaker 1: Tom Brady diet. Wow, that's a good call. He has
Speaker 1: been posting a lot of photos from that cookbook, that
Speaker 1: infernal cookbook. Well Mark likes to be the super sleuth
Speaker 1: in any scenario. Yeah, I think it'd be cool to
Speaker 1: have the tables turned on him, so we sleuth around
Speaker 1: and see what's really going on with his Tom Brady
Speaker 1: diet there. Yeah, I like that idea a lot. West
Speaker 1: Uh so, yes, doing all that and before we start,
Speaker 1: we get our one more show. Well, we'll see what
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? At least one more show.
Speaker 1: Em a VP behind the Glass who did a great
Speaker 1: job on Thursday was kind of a hybrid show where
Speaker 1: we had Damna check in uh for Greg, and then
Speaker 1: Emma behind the glass. Now it's just the three heroes
Speaker 1: and Emma and I you know, well, I see you
Speaker 1: could help me with this we want. This is a
Speaker 1: delicate situation, but uh, you know, streets are talking, streets talking.
Speaker 1: What are they saying? The reddit board is lit up
Speaker 1: with seven several different threads about m a VP, several
Speaker 1: several multiple threads about your prowess on Thursday show. Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And unless we forget that our prior producer,
Speaker 1: the Immortal la Sid, I'll just leave it here. And
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be seen as a bribe
Speaker 1: or a future bribe of some kind basically got a
Speaker 1: new car out of being in that chair. And I
Speaker 1: ask yourself, this is that happening on the Dave Damn check. Alright,
Speaker 1: something to think about. Let's do some news. They maybe drinkers, Robin,
Speaker 1: but they're also human beings. Yes, Adam West, my favorite Batman,
Speaker 1: passed away this weekend at eighty eight years old. Uh.
Speaker 1: I will tell you something about Adam West. That show
Speaker 1: went off the air twelve thirteen years before I was born,
Speaker 1: and that show is a major part of my childhood,
Speaker 1: which really speaks for how that show transcended just the sixties.
Speaker 1: It was a show on the air for two and
Speaker 1: a half seasons, two and a half years. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I felt like a family member died when I got
Speaker 1: the news. I'm way in on Adam West. Always was West.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the old Batman sters? Greg? I know
Speaker 1: you didn't, but I didn't. He write. My brothers and
Speaker 1: I we watched The Batman. It seems like every day
Speaker 1: it was on reruns after school or something, and I did.
Speaker 1: I watched the movie. They put out a movie in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six. Uh and it's on Netflix now. How
Speaker 1: crazy it is that that movie? Uh? Uh is really
Speaker 1: funny and smart in terms of winking to the audience,
Speaker 1: and it was playing the kids, but also really on
Speaker 1: the nose in terms of the things that Battenan his
Speaker 1: dialogue and talking about drinkers, and it was all geared
Speaker 1: also towards adults. Adam West, my boy Bell, let's do
Speaker 1: some news. Listen, you're thinking, Adam West, the old you
Speaker 1: was coming, but there it is. There West type of move. Uh,
Speaker 1: don't put me in don't put me in a box.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Macklin has got a job. He's headed to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: The twenty nine year old again in the Ravens Nest.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear I'll tell you what. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear another freaking thing from Ravens fans,
Speaker 1: because ever since the Ravens Nest became a thing, it's
Speaker 1: all we talked about on this show. I think some
Speaker 1: other teams need their own little sound drops. See what happens.
Speaker 1: The twenty nine year old Pro Bowl wide receiver UH
Speaker 1: had to decide between the Ravens and Bills, and he
Speaker 1: went with the Ravens. On Monday, UH joining Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: and UH Marty Morton wig on a two year deal.
Speaker 1: At the time of this podcast, we don't really have
Speaker 1: the numbers, but what we know is that Jeremy Macklin
Speaker 1: joins a wide receiver group Greg Rosenthal that definitely needed
Speaker 1: a little more juice. How much juice does he actually
Speaker 1: add though, he adds a quality pair of hands there,
Speaker 1: someone that can take snaps, and they needed it. Their
Speaker 1: number three receiver behind Mike Wallace and Breshade Payramann, whoever
Speaker 1: it was gonna be, was among the worst in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And I think on this podcast we said they got
Speaker 1: to bring someone in. Don't be surprised if they do
Speaker 1: at some point. With that said, he had a bad
Speaker 1: year in Kansas City last year. They made the decision
Speaker 1: to cut him. I know, you know salary was involved,
Speaker 1: but if they thought he was a true number one
Speaker 1: type of receiver, they would have found a way to
Speaker 1: keep him. And I've read a lot of fantasy optimism
Speaker 1: on him, like put penciling him as a number one
Speaker 1: receiver there. I don't see that. I see him Mike Wallace,
Speaker 1: who had a very good year for them last year
Speaker 1: in Brashad Pairman all kind of splitting it up, you know,
Speaker 1: improve in the offense. I don't. I don't see him
Speaker 1: lighting it up and having a twelve hundred yard or
Speaker 1: even a thousand yard type of season, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: it depends which Jeremy Macklin shows up. The one from
Speaker 1: two years ago who was a legit number one receiver
Speaker 1: lived up to his contract and posted number one numbers
Speaker 1: with Alex Smith as his quarterback, or the guy from
Speaker 1: last year who was outplayed by Tyreek Hill in limited snaps.
Speaker 1: So it depends which one shows up. But I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting that two of the best team builders of
Speaker 1: the twenty first century, Bill Belichick and Ozzie Knewsome, have
Speaker 1: essentially reached the point where they have admitted they cannot
Speaker 1: draftwide receivers, so they just go out and signed veterans
Speaker 1: all the time. And Ozzie this is his move. He
Speaker 1: tried to trade for Terrell Owens, He signed Kevin Johnson
Speaker 1: from the Browns, he signed Derek Mason, signed an Kwon Bolden,
Speaker 1: traded for Lee Evans, uh signed Steve Smith, and now
Speaker 1: it's Jeremy Macklin. This is what Ozzy, as he knew
Speaker 1: someom does often late in free agency. Right. He did
Speaker 1: a great job with Mike Wallace people. I heard people
Speaker 1: on Twitter my time like Dragon Mike Loss. People didn't
Speaker 1: watch the games last year. He was a really good
Speaker 1: role player who went over a thousand yards, very similar
Speaker 1: to the numbers that Macklin put up in Kana City.
Speaker 1: MacLean has never been I mean he had that one
Speaker 1: year under Chip Kelly put up huge numbers. He's not
Speaker 1: a huge numbers guy. But this gives them a chance.
Speaker 1: They have some serious holes and now this is one
Speaker 1: less hole that they have on that offense. And UH.
Speaker 1: In other news related to this, so Maclin's signs with
Speaker 1: the Ravens. The New York Jets, of course, or I've
Speaker 1: already announced that they were looking to either trade or
Speaker 1: release Eric Decker. They were in talks with the Ravens.
Speaker 1: They couldn't work out the money, even though Decker was
Speaker 1: open to taking a pay cut to move to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: So on Monday, the Jets formerly released the wide receiver
Speaker 1: after three seasons with the team, UH, meaning that beginning tomorrow,
Speaker 1: UH Decker can signed with any team, including potentially West
Speaker 1: the Ravens. It's not uh, it's not completely it's this
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I mean, this is just too much too
Speaker 1: much raven stuff, but we can't control it West, it's
Speaker 1: not inconceivable. We're being told that the Ravens could also
Speaker 1: grab Eric Decker, but we'll see if they can make
Speaker 1: it work. Yeah, that would surprise me. We don't get
Speaker 1: the Wallace, Paraman and Macklin already on hand. It's not happening,
Speaker 1: and they have a room full of tight ends even
Speaker 1: after losing pit are the heroes means Eric Decker hero
Speaker 1: It was a room full o podcast right over my head,
Speaker 1: step straight on it. So all your a lot of
Speaker 1: your bits go over my head, sometimes your jokes, so
Speaker 1: now you're a bit whenever my head. That that whole
Speaker 1: like Ravens still interested in Decker maybe sounded like an
Speaker 1: agent trying to keep his value aflow after this potential
Speaker 1: trade in which he was willing to take less money
Speaker 1: didn't work out. One of the things I was really
Speaker 1: interested in listening to the Macklin reports. It did not
Speaker 1: come down to the Bills and the Ravens. It came
Speaker 1: down to the Eagles and the Ravens. The Eagles, according
Speaker 1: to Ian Rapp report, U didn't offer nearly as much
Speaker 1: money is Baltimore, so probably wasn't a tough decision. But
Speaker 1: that makes me wonder maybe the Eagles would throw a
Speaker 1: little money at Decker, and maybe that means Tory Smith,
Speaker 1: I guess, would not have a safe spot on that roster.
Speaker 1: In that's an as thinks that Eric Decker might be
Speaker 1: am and I know he's coming off two surgeries, but
Speaker 1: be a better option than Jeremy Macklin right now. Can
Speaker 1: you tell me why you think that? Just well, I
Speaker 1: just when last time he was healthy, he was as
Speaker 1: good as anybody in the red zone. Uh he's not old,
Speaker 1: he just he just turned thirty. Macklin actually so showed
Speaker 1: signs of decline last year. Uh that's why I'm making
Speaker 1: that case. Macklin's had good I think they're very similar.
Speaker 1: I like Decker better too. I I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: do not I think that Macklin showed two years ago
Speaker 1: he can be a number one. I don't think Eric
Speaker 1: Decker has ever showed he can be a number one.
Speaker 1: To me, Mac Macklin has been a number to his
Speaker 1: whole career. Yeah, he had one year where he had
Speaker 1: for two thousand fifteen when he was absolutely the number one.
Speaker 1: But it's a thousand and fifty yards. It's the same
Speaker 1: amount the yards as. I mean, he's a good player.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can throw out stats all you want,
Speaker 1: but when you watch the two thousand fifteen games, he
Speaker 1: was absolutely a number one wide receiver Decker. Decker has
Speaker 1: had more one thousand yards seasons. He's a solid player.
Speaker 1: They're they're similar in terms of the levels, and I
Speaker 1: do think he can help a team out though. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a nice free agent to become available at
Speaker 1: this time of year. It's pretty rare. He's coming off
Speaker 1: a hip and a tor major major, which is pretty
Speaker 1: People didn't think he'd be even be ready to play
Speaker 1: until Week one or or later. UH and other wide
Speaker 1: receiver news. Good news for Giants fan or Dell Beckham.
Speaker 1: H was at the team's East Rutherford facility to take
Speaker 1: a physical on the eve of Tuesday's mandatory minicamp. UH
Speaker 1: we learned today. UH. This comes after Beckham caused much
Speaker 1: much consternation. Really not necessary, I feel like, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a Giants fan or in that building, I
Speaker 1: guess you can get yourself worked up by not attending
Speaker 1: O T a s. He is probably one of the
Speaker 1: most underpaid wide receivers in football, given his incredible ability,
Speaker 1: but not a surprise that he is there for minicamp.
Speaker 1: This wasn't ann turn ugly at this stage. How this
Speaker 1: Kim Jones reported it a month ago that he was
Speaker 1: planning to and and he is and it was wasn't
Speaker 1: voluntary work, And I I don't get we we did
Speaker 1: a whole show on this what matters, what doesn't and
Speaker 1: him missing O D didn't matter to me. And he's here,
Speaker 1: here's new slash. He's gonna get paid in the end.
Speaker 1: He's got to get his contract, that bet before the
Speaker 1: season starts. Let's break down this consternation that you spoke
Speaker 1: of media and then one percent split between the Giants
Speaker 1: and their fans. The media cares way too much about
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and what he's doing, and he gets treated
Speaker 1: like no one else in the business by the media.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt I agree with you, and I don't
Speaker 1: doubt that that the Giants coaches were annoyed because they
Speaker 1: want total control and they want everything to happen. But
Speaker 1: they also know in their head that Odell Beckham works
Speaker 1: harder than anyone else in the team, right and it's
Speaker 1: gonna win them game as an incredible player. So like
Speaker 1: any workplace, those types of people, they don't they're not
Speaker 1: necessarily bound to the exact same rules as everyone else.
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to worry about the competitive
Speaker 1: nous of a guy who's putting holes in walls after games.
Speaker 1: Um also at Beckham. Yes, it's it's you know, playing
Speaker 1: in New York. It leads to a bigger spotlight on
Speaker 1: the guy. He's also probably one of the big is
Speaker 1: he one of the five top stars in the league
Speaker 1: that certainly Nike believes that to be. So he just
Speaker 1: got the biggest contract ever for a football player. Uh
Speaker 1: So when you're that famous, uh, it leads to this time.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're that famous, you make Instagram announcements
Speaker 1: that I'm back for like a mini camp, you know,
Speaker 1: that makes national news like hashtag, hashtag I'm back and
Speaker 1: like everyone immediately and it is big news. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's proven up there with Michael Jordan's letter coming out
Speaker 1: of basement. I mean, but here's the thing. If he
Speaker 1: believes it that it's big news, he's right because the
Speaker 1: second he does at ESPN's leading sports center and we're
Speaker 1: breaking it. You know, it's like he's proven right. By
Speaker 1: the way, I can even imagine the press release and
Speaker 1: the hullabaloo if Emma made the move, so she would
Speaker 1: release a statement just like Jordan's, like two words taking
Speaker 1: my talents to around the podcast, I would just be
Speaker 1: hashtag a t N foul on your Twitter. We should
Speaker 1: we should have you or or some or Sully in
Speaker 1: an awkward moment cut that as a drop there would be.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it would be allah when Belichick defected
Speaker 1: from the Jets to the Patriots, if it would lead
Speaker 1: to like a major anti trust lawsuit and it would
Speaker 1: lead to us having to send first round picks to
Speaker 1: Check to make it happen. Get the cocktail napkin involved?
Speaker 1: Isn't that one? Belichick wrote it on as pm P
Speaker 1: sign is p of the w By the way, didn't
Speaker 1: even notice what the Odell in his Instagram announcement. He
Speaker 1: appears to be wearing boxers boxer shorts. I mean he
Speaker 1: should think. I heard what you guys did last week.
Speaker 1: In terms of the individualized offer code. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: was told by a shadowy league figure that it was
Speaker 1: not technically an offer code but at a vanity u
Speaker 1: r L. But it's all the same, Okay, same thing. Well,
Speaker 1: yea O'Dell should uh should check out that mend slash
Speaker 1: around the NFL. Yeah, joined the movement. A lot of buzz. Wait,
Speaker 1: I thought you were on team Boxers, Greg, Well, I am,
Speaker 1: but now they sell boxes, by the way. But now
Speaker 1: that we've got the code and we've got some motivation, Hey,
Speaker 1: look who was in the meeting there talking to the
Speaker 1: shadowy league figures saying get us that code, so you
Speaker 1: you could ask him move the needle baby. Alright? Moving on,
Speaker 1: Melvin Ingram and the Chargers did some business and Charges
Speaker 1: agreed to terms with Ingram on a four year contract.
Speaker 1: The team announced Sunday the the new deals worth sixty
Speaker 1: six million with and here's a nice number if you're
Speaker 1: a human, forty two million dollars and guaranteed money. That
Speaker 1: coming from rap sheet um rap Report reported late last
Speaker 1: month that Ingram would consider skipping minicamp and perhaps part
Speaker 1: of training camp if a long term deal didn't materialize.
Speaker 1: But yes, West it has and the Chargers again a
Speaker 1: team pushing hard is to be the first repeat team
Speaker 1: of a t L. They got one of their big
Speaker 1: boys in place, and happy Well, I think if you're
Speaker 1: a Chargers fan. If you're still a Chargers fan, you
Speaker 1: didn't want a second a second straight summer with contract
Speaker 1: uh basically knockdown, drag out contract arguments with team. And
Speaker 1: they had that last year with Bosa. And now can
Speaker 1: you name a better tag team of pass rushers than
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram? M hm trying, you know,
Speaker 1: Von Miller and Shane Ray. It's a big drop off.
Speaker 1: But J J. Watton, Jadevian clown me, yeah, Whitney Merciless.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're right up there. I think Ingram,
Speaker 1: he and uh Khalil Mack are the only two players
Speaker 1: with at least fifty tackles in eight sex in each
Speaker 1: of the past two I mean, Ingram has been a
Speaker 1: beast the last year and a half. It's a It's
Speaker 1: another reminder, you know, be careful of who you really
Speaker 1: pick on when you're a fan of your team. In
Speaker 1: terms of a first round pick, because fans were pretty
Speaker 1: tired of Melvin Ingram after his first two years in
Speaker 1: the league. It took him a little longer to develop.
Speaker 1: He transformed his body, he kept getting injured, and he
Speaker 1: dropped about twenty pounds and started getting to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's a fun player to watch too. He's very dynamic
Speaker 1: in the running game. He's a complete player. I mean
Speaker 1: him and Bosa for the next I can see why
Speaker 1: they would give him money because just knowing those two
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be in your system for the next
Speaker 1: bunch of years, and it's a different system this year.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be playing defensive end. Usually that'd be a
Speaker 1: cause for concern, but I think to me on paper,
Speaker 1: Ingram and Bosa are a better fit for that system.
Speaker 1: Bad news for the Detroit Lions Tailor Decker. They're left
Speaker 1: tackle underwent surgery for a torrent lay of him this week.
Speaker 1: He has received a recovery timetable of four to six
Speaker 1: months mode own. According to rap Sheet. Do the math there,
Speaker 1: that puts him back anywhere between October, which would be okay,
Speaker 1: we could deal with it to early December, which is
Speaker 1: oh my god. We lost our blindside protector for almost
Speaker 1: the entire season and uh, this is a tough hit.
Speaker 1: I mean left tackle, Greg I'm no scientist. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: between two signs today. West actually dressed like a scientist.
Speaker 1: Less is like Casey Joyter the Football Sciences ESPN. He
Speaker 1: used to he used to walk around in a media
Speaker 1: day in a lab coat like that last the same
Speaker 1: shirt as Sean McVeigh and uh West pointing to a
Speaker 1: picture of Sean McVeigh wearing a fitted collar button up.
Speaker 1: This thing's flowing West and you got the shirt underneath it.
Speaker 1: I'm down several. I was gonna say, you've lost a
Speaker 1: little weight, So maybe that's a factor here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's a factor anyway. So that's the not scientists
Speaker 1: of the group. Left tackle vital and now they got
Speaker 1: to figure out what to do to It's not just
Speaker 1: left tackle. They've also replaced their right tackle in another
Speaker 1: guard this year, so they'll be breaking in three new
Speaker 1: lineman at three different positions. And as bad as offensive
Speaker 1: line play has been around the league, it gets even
Speaker 1: worse when you're mixing guys in and out on a
Speaker 1: constant pity. Although they're their offensive line going into the year,
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons to be very optimistic about
Speaker 1: the Lions. You know, Decker had a great rookie year,
Speaker 1: uh For for a rookie left tackle position players have
Speaker 1: really struggled on coming into the league. He had a
Speaker 1: very solid rookie year and the right side of their
Speaker 1: line with the T J Lang and in Wagner the acquisition.
Speaker 1: To me, that's why they're feeling good. Now you take
Speaker 1: a huge hit. They have basically no one behind him,
Speaker 1: uh to fill in it. It's a problem. The lines
Speaker 1: will be an interesting case. Later, either this week or next,
Speaker 1: we will have our first ever over under um episode
Speaker 1: over runners for wins and people like, oh, you can't
Speaker 1: talk about that on here, but what if someone in
Speaker 1: this room is setting the over under? You're fine, then, right,
Speaker 1: thinking out loud here, what Greg finn if Okay, you
Speaker 1: know over over under right, you can't do that, can't
Speaker 1: do desert stuff. But what the person setting the over
Speaker 1: under was inside the studio and was not affiliated with
Speaker 1: the desert Yeah? I think I think we can. We can.
Speaker 1: We can pick our own over unders. Essentially, are are
Speaker 1: what's more likely than some of the other games we
Speaker 1: do are basically like that. Why don't you just have
Speaker 1: Mark Davis come up with the overun under figure for
Speaker 1: each team? Moving on, let's check in on Darrell vis
Speaker 1: As Bryant, the Dallas Cowboys wide receiver, sent out a
Speaker 1: tweet a couple of days ago uh At vs. Dallas.
Speaker 1: I promise you were going to love what we got
Speaker 1: going on around here, and this is the this is
Speaker 1: the one that got me. Your attitude fits our culture?
Speaker 1: Waiting I don't. This is almost like did Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: fall on the ski slope and suffer head injury that
Speaker 1: eliminated two thousand sixteen and now he's just waking up
Speaker 1: and he thinks that does Droll Reevers is coming off
Speaker 1: a season where he was hard working, great locker room presence,
Speaker 1: exactly the guy that fits the culture of your room.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say Droll Rievers matched any winning culture if
Speaker 1: that's what he's insinuating. But haven't you haven't you said
Speaker 1: that for you know, every other season. But last year
Speaker 1: he was is committed and devoted as any player in
Speaker 1: the he was. I mean, that's why I'm That's why
Speaker 1: I'm I'm stumping from maybe a major head injury. It
Speaker 1: led to an amnesia situation, and he he just missed.
Speaker 1: He just missed last year. Maybe. I mean, he's an
Speaker 1: all time great who's gone up against him and I'm
Speaker 1: sure respects his game, and that's that's thinking. Well, what's
Speaker 1: the flip side of that when I read this report,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this isn't very impressed with the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are rolling out in practice everything Well. Serene Williams,
Speaker 1: who's now with Pro Football Talk, Nice move by them,
Speaker 1: uh picking her up, she reported, Yeah, great move. She
Speaker 1: reported that the Cowboys are not likely to be interested
Speaker 1: in it. They drafted a couple of guys. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't think, by the way that your whole revs. This
Speaker 1: has been a blood war this offseason. Will Revs get signed.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been saying it's not happening. It's been
Speaker 1: quiet out there, some skin in the game, not a
Speaker 1: lot of got that look in his eyes, not a
Speaker 1: lot of the revous talk out there lately. No, I'll certainly,
Speaker 1: I'll I will not deny that at this point it
Speaker 1: looks like he doesn't have much of a market. But
Speaker 1: also there continues and this is one of the reasons
Speaker 1: you stated that you might not he believe he won't
Speaker 1: be signed, is that he still has an asking price.
Speaker 1: We'll find out. That's my number. That's but that's my
Speaker 1: reason one, two and three, and but my reason one
Speaker 1: to three and four was that they got was that
Speaker 1: this was an all time great competitor who has been
Speaker 1: run through the ringer and been told he's a bum. Now,
Speaker 1: as an impartial observer, you gotta give the edge to
Speaker 1: the I've gotta I've gotta top of actually reasons one
Speaker 1: to three, four and five at some zero. No, that's
Speaker 1: dirty pool, my friend. You never go back on five.
Speaker 1: All right? Anyway? Moving on, uh Friday night, real quick,
Speaker 1: the Patriots had yet another ring ceremony. Um, congratulations, Greg.
Speaker 1: I just want to call to attention one the other
Speaker 1: reason why I was back east. You were there at
Speaker 1: Craft and manner. I just want to call to attention
Speaker 1: one thing that got on my grid a little bit
Speaker 1: got on the old Juser's radar that the Patriots have
Speaker 1: confirmed that there are two d and eighty three diamonds
Speaker 1: in their new championship ring, of course, an allusion to
Speaker 1: uh they were down three in Super Bowl fifty one,
Speaker 1: and uh I wrote about this on the end round,
Speaker 1: which you could check out, obviously, saying that's a nod
Speaker 1: to relentless effort and never never say die attitude. Competitive fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: also a reminder that you're getting your ass whipped for
Speaker 1: about sev that game, and so you're acknowledging that a
Speaker 1: number two through seven, you are saying you're rubbing that
Speaker 1: salt in the wound of your opponent a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit. You're leaning into the thing which
Speaker 1: has become an Internet. It's obnoxious, yeah, but who needs
Speaker 1: to three diamonds on a ring? In general? These rings
Speaker 1: are obnoxious in that way. I think you're combining all
Speaker 1: the Twitter memes, which I agree have become annoying in
Speaker 1: too much in terms, and the Patriots celebrating what is
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing to celebrate, which is the greatest comeback
Speaker 1: in professional football history, and that's on the ring too.
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with that. Gets. I don't
Speaker 1: like they're rubbing it in. They're not. They're not sending
Speaker 1: copies to the falcons. They didn't know that this necessarily
Speaker 1: would go. I would be evil. They're shooting little they're
Speaker 1: shooting little nuggets. So to Darren Ravelle, the most popular
Speaker 1: business reporter in the world, let's calm down on him
Speaker 1: being popular. Well, well, all right, let's count down about
Speaker 1: making it seem like I'm a fan of Darren ravel
Speaker 1: I'm saying we're the most like well known business, sports, business,
Speaker 1: sporting in the game and confirming that there are two
Speaker 1: three times they want everybody to know that is little
Speaker 1: be above what be above? Talking about a great comeback?
Speaker 1: I don't, I just I just said it says on
Speaker 1: the side of the ring like biggest comeback ever. That's
Speaker 1: totally fine. I get that. But then to Doe thing,
Speaker 1: it's a little too. It's not it's not respectful of
Speaker 1: the opponent. In my opinion, they just slid down the
Speaker 1: common man rankings for sure. Diamonds and finally Michael Vick
Speaker 1: and Roddy White had a retirement ceremony. I mean, those
Speaker 1: rings are ridiculous. Not to cut you off. Yeah, Wade
Speaker 1: Phillips war one Um, he wore his his ring when
Speaker 1: I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago, and they're outrageous.
Speaker 1: How could you You couldn't actually wear those anywhere except
Speaker 1: for I suppose you know, for like a television thing.
Speaker 1: You can't wear those out? How long has it been
Speaker 1: since people thought they could wear their championship rings out?
Speaker 1: It's isn't it got to be? Since is it a
Speaker 1: kind of a strange tradition to in general just the
Speaker 1: ideal of these rings, Like there's a photo of Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick that the Patriots student out and he's got like
Speaker 1: his fingers out like Audrey Hepburn the Breakfast Tiphany. It's
Speaker 1: like a reboot, like look at me here, what are you?
Speaker 1: What are you posing like that? For? What would you
Speaker 1: propose is the new ring? Yeah? Like what should take
Speaker 1: the place of the ring? There is some everybody. The
Speaker 1: thing I didn't like, I thought what you were going
Speaker 1: to say? What? God on my radar was the tweet
Speaker 1: that was like, here's the picture everyone's waiting for, And
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, the picture with Tom Brady
Speaker 1: holding five rings, and it's like, I guess you gotta
Speaker 1: you kind of like that board too, don't you. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of it's kind of fun, irreverent, fresh, It's
Speaker 1: slightly similar to the one in Studio sixty six. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, mechanically, yes, but in terms of the content
Speaker 1: on it, it's it's a lot more juice. I mean,
Speaker 1: people don't buy Remember they used to sell high school
Speaker 1: like class rings, but no one would buy them. I
Speaker 1: think we're part of the generation that helped kill that.
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's a thing anymore because because
Speaker 1: no one would buy it. Well, right, no one would
Speaker 1: buy them, and I don't know if they're even around anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I have one. I don't think I ever wore
Speaker 1: it ever once. All right, that's what's happening in the news. Oh,
Speaker 1: Greg's walking his daily drop of something about now what
Speaker 1: are you doing? I can pick up anything during the show.
Speaker 1: You don't need to point it out the list. It's
Speaker 1: an audio media. But isn't it weird that you're the
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Speaker 1: weeks ago called the meeting, and he he was pushing
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Speaker 1: all right, players at the crossroads, Oh I'll meet you
Speaker 1: at the crossroads. That's what we would play right now
Speaker 1: if we didn't have these arcane rules and effect against
Speaker 1: copyright of music. Uh, that's the next battle. I gotta
Speaker 1: climb that hill next us. How are you? How do
Speaker 1: we get to the top of that hill? I think
Speaker 1: people might have to die. I think we might. I
Speaker 1: was I wasn't thinking death necessarily, but I was thinking,
Speaker 1: we need to just take out some shadowy league. There's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be human sacrifices, all in the name
Speaker 1: of progress. Anyway, So entering a season, every season, it's
Speaker 1: the same way players that have been stars for years
Speaker 1: or maybe just kind of get on the scene, but
Speaker 1: all of a sudden things happen around them and they
Speaker 1: find themselves out a fork in the road. Uh. And
Speaker 1: let's talk about some name brands at the crossroads and
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Professor Westling, we're gonna call you today. Are
Speaker 1: scientists WESTLINGH can you tell us a player at the crossroads.
Speaker 1: First guy I thought of was Todd Gurley, a guy
Speaker 1: whom Brian Baldinger famously said during Girl's rookie year, Look,
Speaker 1: my mom can scout this guy. That's how good he
Speaker 1: was that first month or five games when he had
Speaker 1: four straight one yard games, he looked like one of
Speaker 1: the most talented backs that he had seen enter the
Speaker 1: NFL and in the twenty one century. And for the
Speaker 1: last eighteen months he's been arguably the least productive running
Speaker 1: back in the NFL. So it's his new coach Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh saying, look, if you're going to get this guy
Speaker 1: on track, it has to be an eleven man effort.
Speaker 1: They've reshuffled their offensive line, they bring in a left tackle.
Speaker 1: They're trying to turn Jared Golf around to get to
Speaker 1: have some respect and not have eight men in the
Speaker 1: box all the time. So this is the year does
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley's obvious talent went out or are we gonna
Speaker 1: stop making excuses for him when he when he doesn't?
Speaker 1: So what happens? What happens if he's not that guy
Speaker 1: this year? And there again? Let's say there are once
Speaker 1: again you can make excuses. Why do do the Rams
Speaker 1: go back to it again? Or do you think they
Speaker 1: act on it through the draft of Well, he'll still
Speaker 1: be under a manageable contract, so you would think they're
Speaker 1: not gonna cut him, But you would have to think.
Speaker 1: You have to cover your basis too, you have to
Speaker 1: go get someone to compete with him, and and you
Speaker 1: just start thinking about him differently. And that was the
Speaker 1: case I was trying to make. I wrote about Girly
Speaker 1: earlier in the offseason that yeah, all that stuff about
Speaker 1: the rams is is true. It was a total mess.
Speaker 1: The coach is bad. Maybe it affected him mentally. Whatever.
Speaker 1: If you gave this is a guy that we were
Speaker 1: thinking had a chance to be one of the players
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I don't care what was around him.
Speaker 1: If you gave Adrian Peterson the ball three times in
Speaker 1: this second year of his career, he could have been
Speaker 1: playing with a Pop Warner team. Or give Marshall Falk
Speaker 1: the ball three times, or give you know, any sort
Speaker 1: of all time great, or a guy who's gonna be
Speaker 1: at top of the game that many times, they're gonna
Speaker 1: do something, they're gonna flash, they're gonna play, they're gonna
Speaker 1: show you something. It didn't really a little more company
Speaker 1: suck than that. He didn't show anything. When you fall
Speaker 1: into bad habits, take Aaron Rodgers for an example. For
Speaker 1: nearly a two year period, he went into slumps and
Speaker 1: people spent two significant time during two different seasons, asking
Speaker 1: what's wrong with Aaron Rodgers when it was clear that
Speaker 1: he was falling into bad habits. We knew he was
Speaker 1: still talented, but he wasn't producing like Aaron Rodgers should.
Speaker 1: And how much of that is Todd Gurley's talent and
Speaker 1: how much is it the bad habits he's picked up
Speaker 1: the last two years. Yeah, they think the one thing
Speaker 1: I'm not a scout, but the one thing I think
Speaker 1: you'd like to see out of him would be to
Speaker 1: make people miss in in small areas and even on
Speaker 1: the outside. I mean there were there are plenty of
Speaker 1: times where he had a chance to beat somebody. He
Speaker 1: didn't beat him. He just kind of ran into him
Speaker 1: and he wasn't really running over people. I'm skeptical. You're skeptical,
Speaker 1: but we can tell well, not that he's not. I
Speaker 1: think he'll be good, but I don't know if he'll
Speaker 1: be great. I think I don't think he'll be a bust.
Speaker 1: He'll be better than he was last year. So the
Speaker 1: guy we saw those first five games, that guys just
Speaker 1: no longer there. I guess if I had to major injury,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to believe that that's just not there.
Speaker 1: Here's the good news, guys. We're gonna find out, all right.
Speaker 1: I guess my thought is maybe he's he's a good
Speaker 1: he's a good player that we just got a little
Speaker 1: over excited about, and so he'll be good again, but
Speaker 1: just not. I think West's point is that he flashed
Speaker 1: in the NFL that he was much more than that,
Speaker 1: and then that guy seemingly disappeared. I'm gonna throw a
Speaker 1: quarterback out there, how about Cam Newton? And uh brief timeline.
Speaker 1: None of this is going to be breaking news, but
Speaker 1: a brief timeline of Cam Newton. An outrageously productive two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen season that ended with the m v P
Speaker 1: Award and then it literally ended at the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: after a great run through the NFC playoffs and they
Speaker 1: they were seventeen and one entering the Super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: then I think things took a sharp turn starting that
Speaker 1: day in uh in San Francisco or north of San Francisco.
Speaker 1: He had the end of the game. He struggled through
Speaker 1: the game against a great Denver defense. I I still
Speaker 1: when I think of Cam, I do think of that
Speaker 1: play at the end of the game where he didn't
Speaker 1: scram for the loose ball. I know some people kind
Speaker 1: of let him off the hook for that, but I
Speaker 1: that really left a sour taste in my mouth. The
Speaker 1: press conference after, I know a lot of people let
Speaker 1: him off the hook for that and and said, no,
Speaker 1: it was the media's fault, It was the the set
Speaker 1: up at the stadium's fault. It was the team on
Speaker 1: the other side of the curtains fault. That wasn't a
Speaker 1: good look. But after the the really sour ending to
Speaker 1: that season, what happens? You would think some players, you know,
Speaker 1: come back better than ever and refocus. He then has
Speaker 1: his worst season ever. Uh, and Carolina has a very
Speaker 1: mediocre season. Uh. He now goes under the knife shoulder surgery.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna throw in mini camp this week, and
Speaker 1: you hope he'll be ready for training camp. And that,
Speaker 1: of course can cloud this type of tracking the situation
Speaker 1: how how healthy is But in general, you wonder if
Speaker 1: maybe Cam Newton is it possible he peaked already? Was
Speaker 1: is he now kind of in uh? Hashtag slight regression.
Speaker 1: Don't send me down that road with him, but uh,
Speaker 1: is did we see the best of Cam Newton? And
Speaker 1: I like we'll kind of have a better idea of
Speaker 1: that after this year. Crossroads Baby, Well, we talked about
Speaker 1: this a couple of weeks ago and Greg mentioned that
Speaker 1: he's his last three years. He's not been a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback for two of those years, and he was
Speaker 1: m v P the other one. So it's will the
Speaker 1: real Cam Newton please stand up? But he has never
Speaker 1: been an above average passer, except for that three month
Speaker 1: hot streaking during his MVP season. He's always been a
Speaker 1: guy with with wacky mechanics, inconsistent in his mechanics, and
Speaker 1: he's not an accurate passer. And how much, how how
Speaker 1: much longer is he going to be an absolute physical
Speaker 1: specimen at that position, he's taking a beating. He's a
Speaker 1: good passer. I still think he's not strength and weakness.
Speaker 1: He's certainly a good deep passer. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he has to make tougher th inconsistent deep when when
Speaker 1: he's throwing from the right arm slot, he's he's a
Speaker 1: really good he He is so fascinating because you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Vick officially retired today and he was you know,
Speaker 1: when he came in, he was kind of a quarterba
Speaker 1: that no one had ever seen quite like him, And
Speaker 1: I would say Cam is like that too, just at
Speaker 1: the physicality, and we don't know how his career is
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, we would have realized we never got
Speaker 1: that to the Vic Roddy White thing. It's gone in
Speaker 1: the past like that. We don't know how his career
Speaker 1: is gonna go. After that m v P season, you
Speaker 1: would have thought, Okay, now he's he's starting his way
Speaker 1: into Canton and now I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: think like a worst case scenario is they have a
Speaker 1: good starting quarterback in Cam Newton. Like I'm not that
Speaker 1: worried about him, but there's a difference between like a
Speaker 1: good starter and asset and in the very top so
Speaker 1: is the MVP season possibly anomally in his career. Is
Speaker 1: he just was that just a moment in time and
Speaker 1: we'll never see that guy? You actually think that's possible.
Speaker 1: He's just now kind of like a goodish quarterback. I
Speaker 1: think he has to adjust his game. And Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: is a guy who to me is the most similar
Speaker 1: When you look early in his career, he had to
Speaker 1: change the way he played. He couldn't keep taking so
Speaker 1: many big hits. He had to step back, and they
Speaker 1: created a new offense under Todd Hailey where everything he
Speaker 1: gets the ball out faster and he still his plays
Speaker 1: where he ad libs. But Ben's a bit different quarterback
Speaker 1: now than he was five years ago. I think Campbell
Speaker 1: figure it out. I don't know if it'll be this year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll take getting a new coordinator there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he might know you turn it on him
Speaker 1: again saying it's he You know, he was the great
Speaker 1: whipping boy Greg Rosental for so long and then you
Speaker 1: begrudgingly came around on him, and now that was over, Ron,
Speaker 1: But you had some He had some major Sula issues
Speaker 1: at a time. I did. And and Cam, Cam and
Speaker 1: Schula are at the hip. I mean they're kind of
Speaker 1: one one and the same, you know. I'd like to
Speaker 1: just see another another voice in his ear. I think
Speaker 1: Cambell bounced back, though. How about another player at the crossroads,
Speaker 1: Greg Well, I'm going to mention another guy that was
Speaker 1: one of the players of the two thousand fifteen season,
Speaker 1: and you just didn't see him the same last year
Speaker 1: he was on the field. But Honey Badger was not
Speaker 1: Honey Badger last year. He was a guy who had
Speaker 1: West couldn't have been more excited about him as as
Speaker 1: a potential defensive Player of the Year in and that
Speaker 1: was legit. There was really no one in the NFL
Speaker 1: quite like him, with all the different things he could do,
Speaker 1: just his innate feel for the game, his competitiveness, his
Speaker 1: instinct and he for the second time was coming off
Speaker 1: in a c L tear and for the second time
Speaker 1: wasn't the same player coming off of it. And he's
Speaker 1: admitted in offseason interviews this year, um essentially how frustrated
Speaker 1: he was. He he said he's more confident now that
Speaker 1: he wasn't having fun, that he's trying to stay under
Speaker 1: the radar too. He's saying no goals, no expectations. He
Speaker 1: was talking a big game last offseason in terms of
Speaker 1: the goals and all the different things he wanted to do,
Speaker 1: and he even, you know, alluded to the fact that
Speaker 1: he lost a little confidence. I think he's such a
Speaker 1: player that thrives on winning and confidence and attitude that
Speaker 1: he was sort of in a downward spiral last year.
Speaker 1: And I think he's shown us he can be a great,
Speaker 1: great leader and great player for them, and that's what
Speaker 1: they're paying him, Uh, to do. They're paying him big
Speaker 1: time money. That is the biggest X factor to me
Speaker 1: with that entire Cardinals team. I mean, you got the
Speaker 1: offensive line, but you really got Tyron Matthew. If they
Speaker 1: can get the old honey Badger back to where he was,
Speaker 1: that's a different team. Yeah. They're paying him like the
Speaker 1: defensive Player of the Year version, and they gave him
Speaker 1: that contract after the injury. They had to have known,
Speaker 1: considering his history, that there would be some bumps in
Speaker 1: the road in two thousand sixteen, and they had to
Speaker 1: have been gambling on two thousand seventeen and eighteen. And
Speaker 1: people say, you know the reports are positive, and know
Speaker 1: it's the offseason. Reports are positive. He he looks better
Speaker 1: this this offseason, and that that to me. I've been
Speaker 1: kind of big on the Cardinals bouncing back, and that
Speaker 1: would be one of the things that would really really help.
Speaker 1: That would be one of the bigger bummers of the
Speaker 1: last you know, decade of NFL football. Uh if he
Speaker 1: never is able to get back to where he was,
Speaker 1: because he was such a success story and a really
Speaker 1: good guy. It seems like he got his life figured out.
Speaker 1: And I remember around this time last year being at
Speaker 1: the All or Nothing premier and having like a nice
Speaker 1: conversation with him where he just seemed like a nice
Speaker 1: guy and was talking about coming back from the the
Speaker 1: second knee surgery. Uh, and he was very hopeful that
Speaker 1: would be the same guy. And he wasn't hopefully because
Speaker 1: it took him as season last time too was and
Speaker 1: then he was amazing. Hopefully it happens again. All right,
Speaker 1: let's keep going west one more time through maybe or
Speaker 1: maybe a speed round. Oh, let's have some fun. Another
Speaker 1: player at the crossroads, Cronk. This was inspired by an
Speaker 1: episode that I missed a couple of weeks ago, when
Speaker 1: you guys were all talking about Gronk and throughout his
Speaker 1: career there's always been doubt about him overcoming injuries. You know, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he overcame a back injury, but now it's like five
Speaker 1: arm surgeries. What if he what if that's oranges through? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he overcame the arm surgeries, but now it's an a
Speaker 1: c L. He shredded his knee. Who's gonna be And
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, he recovered from an a c
Speaker 1: L and arms surgery, but now it's the back again.
Speaker 1: What's every time Gronk gets injured, he comes back even
Speaker 1: better than before. He is a physical freak. We cannot
Speaker 1: treat him like other players. He comes back stronger every time,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying he's guaranteed to be better than
Speaker 1: he was before. But I think all the handwringing over
Speaker 1: whether Gronk will ever be you know, we want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl without him? Will he ever be that important
Speaker 1: to the Patriots again, Well, he's their best player other
Speaker 1: than Brady, So I forget the crossroads you're putting this podcast.
Speaker 1: Whoever was talking, I believe it was me, but but
Speaker 1: it was I. I love Gronk and I as much.
Speaker 1: What do I don't even care. I have no steak,
Speaker 1: I have no I have no what do they call?
Speaker 1: Give me the gambling in the skin of the game.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying someone someone
Speaker 1: should have been here to pun point out that he
Speaker 1: has always come back stronger. No, that is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: I said I have no skin of the game because
Speaker 1: the Jets are basically out of the NFL right now,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter to me if Gronk is amazing
Speaker 1: or terrible uh this season or they've been relegated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have no there's nothing for me to get
Speaker 1: worked up about. All I can say is I really
Speaker 1: have I have doubts now, uh, whether he's gonna be
Speaker 1: able to make it to a full season. But it
Speaker 1: is a crossroads. They did just win a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: without him. They pick up Brandon Cooks, they pick up
Speaker 1: Dwayne Allen. I mean, you would think Gronks still gonna
Speaker 1: be the go to guy, but they're they're gonna spread
Speaker 1: the ball around more than they have probably in his career,
Speaker 1: but partly healthy at practices, fully practicing. That's a rare
Speaker 1: thing for Gronk in terms of off season. So as
Speaker 1: a Patriots homer, that's got me optimistic. It's also a
Speaker 1: crossroads because I think you can accurately make the statement
Speaker 1: that nobody has ever played the tight end position at
Speaker 1: a higher level in Gronk for the past half decade.
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have a productive next five years,
Speaker 1: is he gonna go down as a better player than
Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez for his career? It is It is wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, we should move, but it is wild that
Speaker 1: they were still scoring and and you can like if
Speaker 1: they didn't have Gronk The crazy thing is he is
Speaker 1: probably the greatest tight end of all time offensively, you know,
Speaker 1: and yet they could survive without getting points for defense.
Speaker 1: Why I meant, I meant as a pass catcher, but
Speaker 1: then he's also stop myself. Yeah, stopped myself. But it's
Speaker 1: crazy they made that coming without rock Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, and that's why it's so amazing that
Speaker 1: the old zuser over here would uh include this gentleman
Speaker 1: next as a player at the crossroads? Tom Brady, stop
Speaker 1: spend it on your original list? Is this a joke?
Speaker 1: This is a joke. No, it's not. You had three
Speaker 1: different names before I had, much like Cam Newton. He
Speaker 1: is in the middle of his career right now. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, and everybody could be all sunshine,
Speaker 1: puppies and rainbows about this crossroads football is just let
Speaker 1: me make my point before you who scientists? Heartless? Scientists?
Speaker 1: Shred it? Uh? Tom Brady coming off a incredible season,
Speaker 1: of course, no gradual decline. Way to go, buddy, but
Speaker 1: he will be forty next year. Now I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: talk about I'm not making any predictions about his play,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you what he'd been better, not gradual
Speaker 1: decline this season at all, or hurt or give the
Speaker 1: Patriots any reason to think because Jimmy Garoppolo, it's decision time.
Speaker 1: I don't see why this is even funny. West. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Garoppolo will be a free agent next year if they
Speaker 1: do not do something about this. And they they did
Speaker 1: not trade him, and I'll tell you what that was.
Speaker 1: And you guys don't want to hear this because you
Speaker 1: got the cookbooks and you know you you signed up
Speaker 1: to Giselle's Instagram and you're you're doing your little Tom
Speaker 1: Brady dance all the time. But here's here's the truth.
Speaker 1: The reason they didn't trade him to the Browns for
Speaker 1: fourteen draft picks is because they wanted to wait another
Speaker 1: year and get to see Tom Brady for another year
Speaker 1: and then have that option. So Tom knows this. You
Speaker 1: guys might not know, but Tom knows why Garoppolo is
Speaker 1: still on this team right now, and he better not
Speaker 1: decline or he's gonna find himself playing for the l
Speaker 1: a rams uh sooner than you think that was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to respond in any way that
Speaker 1: would take away from that. No, I would now tell
Speaker 1: me why I'm wrong. I'm serious, well, because I'm not
Speaker 1: joking when I say it's I think I know. I
Speaker 1: don't really disagree within the organization here. I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with your points. I was really more thinking there's no
Speaker 1: cross No, there's no crossroads left for Tom Brady because
Speaker 1: he could get hurt or he could play poorly. But
Speaker 1: he's like forty one years old and he's gonna go
Speaker 1: down as the greatest quarterback of all time with his
Speaker 1: five rings, and you're right, he wants to play another
Speaker 1: five years. I just feel like the worst case scenario
Speaker 1: for him is you're saying there's no steaks really for him,
Speaker 1: But that's not true. I'm not saying there's no steaks.
Speaker 1: But to me, he's past the crossroads once you established
Speaker 1: yourself as the greatest player of all time. If he's
Speaker 1: not passed the crossroads, the crossroads comes. The crossroads come
Speaker 1: in different place for all players. Like he's good. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the take you were summoning up that. Look,
Speaker 1: it is football. They hurt each other, They hit each
Speaker 1: other in every play, every players in pro crossroads every year. No, No,
Speaker 1: I like that, but no, I on it because the
Speaker 1: timing of it. The Garoppolo timing is more of a
Speaker 1: cross road for Jimmy G than Tom Brady. No, because
Speaker 1: he's not even gonna freaking play. He spanged again because
Speaker 1: he's stuck behind the goat. But I'm saying, you're all
Speaker 1: your love letters, You're you're busy as a pen pal.
Speaker 1: You're writing those love letters to Jimmy G. And there's
Speaker 1: a reason. It's because you're in love with his film
Speaker 1: when you what you've seen from him. Don't you think
Speaker 1: the Patriots are thinking the same thing, and they see
Speaker 1: five years old. They also know that nobody's film is
Speaker 1: better than Tom Brady, So that's not really I mean,
Speaker 1: if I was Bill Belichick and and all I'm worried
Speaker 1: about now at this point in my career is my
Speaker 1: legacy and winning more Super Bowls, why would I trade
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo because your quarterback is gonna be forty. I
Speaker 1: think it's like if Tom Brady takes a hit to
Speaker 1: the knee and is out for the year, God forbidden,
Speaker 1: you want the guy who can still win you. I
Speaker 1: think it's obvious they see Garoppolo as a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: The top ten type of quarterbacks so they don't want
Speaker 1: to lose. Why why get rid of him unless some
Speaker 1: teams can't pay for him both? I know, no matter
Speaker 1: how Fine, but you wait another year at least see
Speaker 1: what happens. All right, go ahead, maybe they can fix
Speaker 1: Actually before you go, Greg, let's let's take a brief
Speaker 1: moment to talk about the two thousand two Britney Spears
Speaker 1: film Crossroads. Hey, really, since the band news you have
Speaker 1: from me before the pod that you couldn't say? Uh,
Speaker 1: Three childhood best friends and a guy they just met
Speaker 1: take a road trip across the country, finding themselves and
Speaker 1: their friendship in the process, of course, directed by the
Speaker 1: great Tamra Davis and Brittany in her first lead performance West.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts when you walked out of the
Speaker 1: theater back in h I don't I think two was
Speaker 1: during my fifteen years without going into a theater. I
Speaker 1: definitely have never seen Crossing. I don't think if you
Speaker 1: had been going to two movies a week you would
Speaker 1: have ever come across Crossroads anyhow well, Greg, did you
Speaker 1: see it? No? I have not seen cross Room but
Speaker 1: underrated cast. Wait a second, you guys knew that we
Speaker 1: were doing the Crossroads podcast today and didn't watch Crossroads. No,
Speaker 1: but I did listen to Bone Thugs and Harmony you
Speaker 1: know who? Oh yeah, but that's for another little crossroads. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked about earlier in the show. It's good rep.
Speaker 1: I like that. I was. How old was I in
Speaker 1: two thousand two? Like old and hold the whole life?
Speaker 1: I was not the target target demographic for the Britney
Speaker 1: Spears vehicle. How about a young, a very young m
Speaker 1: v P. Your thoughts when you walked out of the theater,
Speaker 1: h Crossroad? Nine year old m VP to not catch that,
Speaker 1: one big Britney fan, But I actually did not catch that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to go do that okay? And are
Speaker 1: you were the only one who've seen it? I have
Speaker 1: not seen it yet, but I could tell you that
Speaker 1: Spears herself described that as a teen movie that deals
Speaker 1: with real issues that normal teenagers live on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: And one last note, yes, Justin Long who played one
Speaker 1: of Lucy's best friends from high school, that's a Britney's character. Potentially.
Speaker 1: I thought that Crossroads is quote like a road trip
Speaker 1: buddy movie but for girls. Some big names in this movie.
Speaker 1: Zoe saw Donna very young. It's written by Shonda Rhymes,
Speaker 1: who has turned into a mogul big time. And uh,
Speaker 1: it should be said that Justin Long was also impressed
Speaker 1: with Britney's work ethic, commenting that she quote could not
Speaker 1: have been more down to earth. Do you believe that
Speaker 1: I believe anything I read on I just like this
Speaker 1: screen capture of a young man playing guitar to her
Speaker 1: on a white on a bed during the mid and
Speaker 1: it's like a good flick. Can I offer an anecdote
Speaker 1: to partner with that story about Britney Britney Spears being
Speaker 1: sown to earth? We went on a wine tour last
Speaker 1: weekend while my mom was in town through Malibu and
Speaker 1: tour guy was telling us that the oldest hint temple
Speaker 1: in the world is in Malibu and Britney Spears used
Speaker 1: to take her children there for yoga. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: very down to earth to me. Well, well, she's got
Speaker 1: a woman of means. You've got to take your kids
Speaker 1: to the oldest tend to do temple in the world
Speaker 1: for yoga, all right. And the final note on Crossroads,
Speaker 1: there's another one. An's a mount who played Ben of
Speaker 1: course in the film, revealed that actor Robert de Niro.
Speaker 1: Bobby d himself ran a few of Spears's lines with
Speaker 1: him while rehearsing for the film. Now revealed that de
Speaker 1: Niro called the singer a quote sweet girl and convinced
Speaker 1: him to do Crossroads. And that has been the crossroads minute.
Speaker 1: Back to you, Greg, the crossroads. This is one of
Speaker 1: the This is one of those things like we sometimes
Speaker 1: throw around ideas before the show and I actually I'm
Speaker 1: usually the one that I just sort of come up
Speaker 1: with things that are will obviously not never be on
Speaker 1: the show, and you know, people laugh or they don't
Speaker 1: and we move on. I thought, I was that was
Speaker 1: what this is. But this was really on the show
Speaker 1: you you mentioned as a possibility, and immediately I said,
Speaker 1: that is gold cool mood. By the way, in this movie,
Speaker 1: we're outside the minute now to bar owner, we're outside
Speaker 1: the minute. Let's move on to football talk, Greg, come on,
Speaker 1: keep it about football. Uh, let's talk a little crossroads
Speaker 1: about a player that I again would have been sure
Speaker 1: that his career was headed towards Canton on a great franchise,
Speaker 1: AH Pro Bowls year after year, All Pros, year after year,
Speaker 1: you know, getting into his mid to late twenties, and
Speaker 1: then what happened to Clay Matthews. Maybe he's already had
Speaker 1: his Clay Crossroads year. I don't know, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a little too early to give up on
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews as a big time difference maker. And there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of blame in terms of how they've
Speaker 1: used him. They've moved him around to play inside linebacker
Speaker 1: and and hasn't really been stuck at one position the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. He's turning thirty this year. Maybe
Speaker 1: that old Clay Matthews isn't coming back. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: just kind of, uh, a star that went all out
Speaker 1: for five or six years and then kind of kind
Speaker 1: of burned out. That that's surprising to me. I would
Speaker 1: never would have thought that. I I still would think
Speaker 1: that the Packers can get a big time difference maker
Speaker 1: type of season out of Clay Matthews, but we haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. And and it's especially across road season because
Speaker 1: I think if he doesn't do it this year, uh,
Speaker 1: in terms of the salary that he's making, that then
Speaker 1: he could be an ex Packer next year. I feel
Speaker 1: like since this podcast started five summers ago, we have
Speaker 1: repeated every year that this guy used to be a
Speaker 1: defensive This guy used to be a defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year candidate every year, and now he's not that
Speaker 1: guy anymore. I feel like we've done that every single
Speaker 1: year and it's been Are you right? Is that true?
Speaker 1: It's been a decade since he was at that level.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's played in spurts, but he's a guy
Speaker 1: who's banged up an awful lot. They move him inside
Speaker 1: and outside. Now he's going back outside apparently. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's now thirty years old, and it's like me last
Speaker 1: year hoping Chris Long would be the guy he was
Speaker 1: at twenty five. I don't know if you're ever gonna
Speaker 1: get twenty five year old Clay Matthews again, that's fair.
Speaker 1: You want to do a couple more quick ones and
Speaker 1: get out of here. A guy who uh sometimes looks
Speaker 1: like he could be one of the absolute best wide
Speaker 1: receivers in the league and other times disappears for a
Speaker 1: months at a time. I'm Arii Cooper, who are you?
Speaker 1: Are you the guy who can lift the top off
Speaker 1: a defense take every pass to the house, or you
Speaker 1: the guy who when Oakland goes into Kansas City and
Speaker 1: the weather is not perfect. He just don't show up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I need to know who a Mari Cooper
Speaker 1: is at this point. Yeah, and that makes sense because, yeah,
Speaker 1: if he has a season where he's a little up
Speaker 1: and down and and disappears, maybe the Raiders that's a
Speaker 1: result of this. Next year, they think that they got
Speaker 1: to get a number one wide receiver and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Mari's value isn't the same. Greg's out
Speaker 1: of his chair again, that penelic down. There are too
Speaker 1: many long stretches when he's outplayed by Michael Crabtree, and
Speaker 1: that shouldn't happen. I'll tell you who he's not is
Speaker 1: a guy that smiles and pick years. Mark Cooper is
Speaker 1: the most serious player in the NFL. I would say
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I will I'll throw out, I'll hit the
Speaker 1: hat trick on quarterbacks. Andy Dalton. Uh, we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: so I don't have to dig into it. But I
Speaker 1: think it's a very real thing with him as well.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it, At least I did,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of other people on some
Speaker 1: level gave him a mulligan for last year because he
Speaker 1: was so good the year before before he got hurt
Speaker 1: and then they didn't give him the weapons. Now he's
Speaker 1: got the weapons him like Eli Manning another similar situation.
Speaker 1: Got to do something now. Uh, And I know the
Speaker 1: Bengals don't. They don't They're not quick to do anything.
Speaker 1: So uh, maybe he's not a perfect example. Is just
Speaker 1: because Cincinnati probably wouldn't eliminate Andy Dalton. But I think
Speaker 1: the seat would start to get hotter under his butt
Speaker 1: if he if they struggle again, they go seven to
Speaker 1: night eight and eight and missed the playoffs, and he
Speaker 1: has another ho Hume year, He's only had one truly
Speaker 1: cruising along. He's Andy Dalton, that would be good enough
Speaker 1: to have a twelve year career with the team. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know. I just feel like they
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Cincinnati that they went out of their way
Speaker 1: to say Andy, now you can be the guy you
Speaker 1: were in two thousand fifteen. If he's still two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen Andy, Uh, maybe he could have some problems. Greg,
Speaker 1: you my final one, Sammy Watkins. Hopefully I haven't repeated
Speaker 1: this on this show. Feeling bad about that claim. Matthews, No,
Speaker 1: you're not the only one who said that about claim.
Speaker 1: I think we've all said, you're right, it was a
Speaker 1: good point. Sammy Watkins did not have his contract option
Speaker 1: picked up by the Bills because they don't necessarily see
Speaker 1: him as a number one receiver. They want to see
Speaker 1: what he is. He has a good chance to enter
Speaker 1: next offseason as one of the top, if not the
Speaker 1: top player on the Scientists top ninety nine agency rankings
Speaker 1: for two thousand and eighteen, because it's rare that a
Speaker 1: guy with this kind of pedigree and who has flash
Speaker 1: this kind of talent gets the free agency right in
Speaker 1: the middle of his career. What's the only six years
Speaker 1: old I've seen plays out of him. I've never been
Speaker 1: total league convinced that Sammy Watkins is a top ten
Speaker 1: NFL type of receiver. He's obviously a very good He
Speaker 1: has a potential to be a very good receiver if
Speaker 1: he can stay on the field. I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: never seen quite the AJ Green type of potential out
Speaker 1: of him, But this would be the year to do it,
Speaker 1: because if he does it, he's gonna get paid like
Speaker 1: crazy next year. Yeah. I don't think he's as well
Speaker 1: rounded as a J. Green. He's more of an inconsistent guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's good of a route runner, but
Speaker 1: he was also like when he came into the league,
Speaker 1: there were some people who thought that he was too
Speaker 1: much like a running back and not enough like a
Speaker 1: pure wide receiver. And I think all of the injury
Speaker 1: part of that physical running back style, right. And is
Speaker 1: he mature enough? Is he competitive enough? Does he want
Speaker 1: to be great? He's twenty three years old, he's turning
Speaker 1: twenty four this month. Actually, he could still be a
Speaker 1: young guy. He could still be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: You never know. It is a crossroad year for Sammy Walking.
Speaker 1: Let's let's cap the crossroad section with one more nugget
Speaker 1: on the film Crossroads. Films that good and it's opening weekend,
Speaker 1: and it was a modest success financially, ultimately grossing thirty
Speaker 1: seven million dollars, made its budget back. No Crossroads too
Speaker 1: on the radar as of now, But you never know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's calm down a little. That's not a
Speaker 1: big time hit on Metacritic, by the way, that's pretty
Speaker 1: not not many movies get lower than that. That's pretty low.
Speaker 1: That's out of a hundred. But while critics frowned upon
Speaker 1: cross Roads, it did tell a story to many young girls,
Speaker 1: like a young Emma who has never seen the movie,
Speaker 1: that you can you could have a good time. You
Speaker 1: two can go on a road trip and find yourself
Speaker 1: along the way, not just the roads and your destination,
Speaker 1: you know what, because it's not about the destination so
Speaker 1: much as it is the journey. The journey. It's the journey.
Speaker 1: And that's what Cross was maybe about you. You've sold
Speaker 1: me you know what else? She sold me on? I
Speaker 1: saw Tropic Thunder. Oh all right, that's that takes us
Speaker 1: out of this great movie my favorite comics. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I've never seen before. I thought it was one
Speaker 1: of the best comedies I've ever seen, and now it
Speaker 1: puts us on a weird sboccas Greg. I have the
Speaker 1: copy of the The Blu Ray in my desk drawer.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to give it to Greg for literally
Speaker 1: six months as an active friendship. Greg basically said, Greg, like,
Speaker 1: this comedy is one of my favorites ever, and I
Speaker 1: really think that you would like it to your sensibilities
Speaker 1: would be a great match. And what do you think
Speaker 1: it says for that to be just sitting in my desk.
Speaker 1: So I think Greg's sensibilities would be a perfect match
Speaker 1: for whatever. Greg, when you get a chance, I'll watch it. Well.
Speaker 1: I did take it from you for a while, but
Speaker 1: then I realized I wasn't. It was during the season,
Speaker 1: so I gave it. I even lift. I even lifted
Speaker 1: by Ben Stiller band, for he plays the save jerk
Speaker 1: in every movie. Oh, I messed this up. I messed
Speaker 1: that up. I can never do any Greenberg's slept on
Speaker 1: a little mini classic there. You have been talking about
Speaker 1: Greenberg for years. That was and like the Tropic Thunder
Speaker 1: was still his passion project. So you gotta give a
Speaker 1: lot of credit for that. I think he kind of
Speaker 1: that was the beginning of the end. But we'll save
Speaker 1: this for the bench Stiller podcast. Gregg, we ran out
Speaker 1: of time to talk about your running with a famous
Speaker 1: athletes wife, But don't worry. We will get to it
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday's show. I was worried. You thought you
Speaker 1: were gonna get away with it, and we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about they want to jam that in there. We
Speaker 1: will talk about it because it is. It does deserve
Speaker 1: Uh sometime, Emma, that's it, but that's up to you.
Speaker 1: Really wait wait night yet, I mean, that's it. For us,
Speaker 1: you joining us for two shows. I think Sully's back. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you know, does it have to be it? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I guess we'll find out. See who's
Speaker 1: here Wednesday, Yeah, we'll see. So. Like on the list
Speaker 1: of people that will get annoyed if they here this show,
Speaker 1: Damna Check would would rank high, certainly you wooing his producer,
Speaker 1: and I think Sully it might rank even higher. M
Speaker 1: Sully understands that he's he's a busy man and he's
Speaker 1: working with the move to sticks people and a note
Speaker 1: to the listeners. Uh, Sully understands these part time help
Speaker 1: listeners snitches get stitches. I don't want a hundred people
Speaker 1: adding damascheck about this little conversation we've had that's an
Speaker 1: invitation for them to do it. We're just we're just
Speaker 1: having a There was no for Hey, did anybody hear
Speaker 1: a formal offer to Emma? No, that's what's so great
Speaker 1: about it. Simply friends talking between a pane of glass. Right,
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. Okay, Now, now it's not
Speaker 1: to think that we're covering our bases there. Stan Hansons
Speaker 1: signing off for the Mailman, the Boss and Emma VP.
Speaker 1: What a great name behind the glass, so as day
Speaker 1: m