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Speaker 1: are featuring a client from New Alternatives every week in
Speaker 1: celebration of pride here on the Guys we Fu podcast.
Speaker 1: For those of you don't know, New Alternatives is a
Speaker 1: center for at risk and homeless l g B t
Speaker 1: Q I A youth. There's this new thing where they
Speaker 1: put like a multiplication sign and then it's like times two.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like if you have to I two.
Speaker 1: I think it's called like two souls. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you right? All right, I can't handle that.
Speaker 1: Whatever your sexuality or a gender is, you are welcome
Speaker 1: here on the Guys we Fully. And I think sometimes people,
Speaker 1: especially people who are heterosexual and maybe haven't struggled, um
Speaker 1: with their sexuality or their gender gender identity, are kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, why don't why isn't there a pride
Speaker 1: parade for straight people? It's not. I think Joel Kim
Speaker 1: Booster tweet who's a yeah, and he also did a
Speaker 1: Facebook status He's a wonderful um Asian American gay comic
Speaker 1: who was adopted. Yeah, and basically his adopted parents were
Speaker 1: very religious and they ended up not being able to
Speaker 1: handle his situation. I hope he's okay with me saying this,
Speaker 1: But he was featured in the Pride audio clips we
Speaker 1: did last year, um, and he said, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not pride that I am gay. It is pride that,
Speaker 1: in spite of being gay and people not accepting it,
Speaker 1: and me getting kicked out of my house or having
Speaker 1: to leave my home because I was gay, my parents
Speaker 1: couldn't handle it, I have overcome and I am still
Speaker 1: a strong, wonderful individual today. That's like a summary of
Speaker 1: what he said, and I thought that was a really
Speaker 1: nice way of explaining it. We live in a world
Speaker 1: where it's like what about me, Yeah, we're you too.
Speaker 1: Just give everyone a second. I think it's really important.
Speaker 1: This is a wonderful organization. Both Christine and I have
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Speaker 1: you live in New York City, you can email us
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Speaker 1: just drop off a back bag of clothing and it
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Speaker 1: you live elsewhere, Uh, you can go to New Alternatives
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Speaker 1: I think if you're saying, you know, what can I
Speaker 1: do for pride, I don't necessarily want to march in
Speaker 1: a parade. Only five dollars, ten dollars anything that this
Speaker 1: money is going straight to the clients. We know where
Speaker 1: the money is going. Um. And also if you are
Speaker 1: someone in need, if you have gotten kicked out of
Speaker 1: your house because of your sexuality, because of your gender,
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Speaker 1: i'm sure, personally respond to you. So this week we
Speaker 1: actually are featuring a person who works for New Alternatives.
Speaker 1: He's heterosexual, he's an ally, and he has his own
Speaker 1: struggles that he'll talk to you about in the podcast.
Speaker 1: Please welcome ramone. Hello, Hello, are you doing okay? So, UM,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll start off with just tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about how you came to work with New Alternatives. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I've been here since the start pretty much awesome. Um
Speaker 1: I met Kate when he was working at Sylvia's as yes,
Speaker 1: I've heard of them, and as a heterosexual gender mail,
Speaker 1: I was afraid to go to um uh general population
Speaker 1: DHS shelter because I have very my old super palsy.
Speaker 1: So my Chase worker at streetwork, Jase, referred me to
Speaker 1: Kate and at Sylvia's and like he gave me a
Speaker 1: letter in the whole situation and she was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just have to put on your paperwork at your
Speaker 1: bisexual if that's okay. They wanted to healthy yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're like sure, whatever. And so when you came in,
Speaker 1: did you feel more comfortable in the LGBTQ setting or
Speaker 1: uh yeah, even though people kind of figured out that
Speaker 1: I was straight and like but then they were like
Speaker 1: he's cool, He's not you know, gonna you know or something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very rare that the straight guy is the odd
Speaker 1: ball out in the room, right, and so it's like
Speaker 1: probably it was an interesting experience. Yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 1: kind of always been the oddball. Yeah, because like my
Speaker 1: speech and you know, just nothing ever seen the matchup
Speaker 1: very intelligent, but um yeah, so like I always kind
Speaker 1: of like I'm the one that always like stayed to
Speaker 1: myself anywhere I went. How was your what was your
Speaker 1: childhood like? Uh, A loving household, but a lot of issues. Um.
Speaker 1: I got picked on a lot. Yeah, in school because
Speaker 1: this city school system had me in um S in
Speaker 1: a program called Size seven, which is for emotionally disturbed kids.
Speaker 1: Emotionally disturbed because I didn't really there was just a
Speaker 1: lot going on in your house. Yeah, and also just
Speaker 1: me trying to figure out who I am and what
Speaker 1: I can and can't and what your abilities are what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I imagine when you're a child and you grow
Speaker 1: up with certain things, it's like and then you learn
Speaker 1: eventually that you're different and then you have to cope
Speaker 1: with that. That's lots of mind fuck. Yeah, definitely, um,
Speaker 1: And you know, being called retarded and like I would
Speaker 1: lash out, um. But so they had me in this
Speaker 1: class and that was only just making it worse. Right,
Speaker 1: And you were born with cerebral palsy and has it
Speaker 1: how has it affected your life? I mean the doctor
Speaker 1: said I would never walk and you walked right into
Speaker 1: this interview that I mean, but like it mostly affects
Speaker 1: like my coordination and my speech. But it made me
Speaker 1: have a really rough childhood because I would want to
Speaker 1: think how the boys would do, you know, like yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't like, you know, I couldn't drop drop
Speaker 1: basketball because some one coordinated. And did your parents ever
Speaker 1: like explain to you like the kind of like breakdown
Speaker 1: your mother? Um, I don't think she ever really fully
Speaker 1: understoo myself herself. Okay, Like I've done some research and night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's a tough thing to grass, Like, I know my mom,
Speaker 1: my mom, it's not, but she deals with like Bell's
Speaker 1: policy and just trying to research. I've been trying to
Speaker 1: research a lot of her emotional and mental issues with
Speaker 1: her and she goes to doctors all the time and
Speaker 1: we're still like, I don't know, I don't know. It's confusing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um so at twelve I tried to kill myself bullying,
Speaker 1: plus my mother's drug issues and cocaine crack, alcoholism, and
Speaker 1: was her drug use. I mean, I imagine if effect
Speaker 1: of the way she treated you or acted at home,
Speaker 1: was she violent with you? I had? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to make an excuse for her, but she
Speaker 1: got little from her work her job at the home
Speaker 1: help that he had for years, and like, I didn't
Speaker 1: fully a stand at a young age, so I would
Speaker 1: want things that she couldn't provide for you. That was right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when your kid, you don't know, and every parent
Speaker 1: wants to be able to provide. But I mean you can't.
Speaker 1: Love is the only thing that's right. I mean I
Speaker 1: was like, but there's like so there was just a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of stranuying factors. I tried to
Speaker 1: kill myself and I wouldn't going to school like I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to because you know, the bullying in the fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and did you ever try to tell a teacher that
Speaker 1: this was happening, because sometimes they don't listen. You did try,
Speaker 1: and what happened, what was done? I was the one that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the one that was being portrayed as
Speaker 1: the villain one time. One time a teacher took my
Speaker 1: head and smacked it up against the blackboard. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Any this was in New York City or school system.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And for I mean, there's no reason
Speaker 1: to do that. But why I don't I don't remember,
Speaker 1: oh my god, But I remember that we talked about
Speaker 1: this frequently, like I had a big not on my head. God,
Speaker 1: that's so fucking confusing. And because like I would imagine
Speaker 1: you grow older and are you mad that those things happen?
Speaker 1: Are you angry? Or have you accepted everything? Pretty much
Speaker 1: accepted everything? You know, um, honestly going even though the
Speaker 1: fourth system was shitty, it saved my life. So you
Speaker 1: were you ended up being put into foster care. I
Speaker 1: went into a diagnostic center first called Dealer House in
Speaker 1: Staten Island. I mean they went to hell there too,
Speaker 1: But um, and what is it? What does the diagnostic
Speaker 1: house do when when they don't know where to place you,
Speaker 1: if they should place you in the RTC Residential Treatment
Speaker 1: Center or if you're ready for a home setting. Actually,
Speaker 1: a staff member we were watching this show called the PGS.
Speaker 1: They come on Fox. Um. I was listening to a
Speaker 1: baseball game on my walkman, and I got up to
Speaker 1: tell another kids something that happened, um in the baseball game,
Speaker 1: and like the staff pushed me. Oh my god. They
Speaker 1: the kid laying on the floor. My foot hit his
Speaker 1: head and I broke my ankle. Whoa, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And that was that like normal treatment. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: feel so often when people don't know how to handle
Speaker 1: something with their minds, they handle it with violence. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: staff had no protocol and restraining. Yeah. And they also
Speaker 1: seems like they weren't properly trained to deal with, you know,
Speaker 1: people with with more special needs. So I remember I
Speaker 1: hit the floor and I my leg my leg my.
Speaker 1: People thought it was funny at first, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: because kids don't know, you know, like falling, you know,
Speaker 1: falling is like people think it's funny for something. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that funny. There was one girl like crank,
Speaker 1: which so I was in paint. So they took me
Speaker 1: to the hospital and they actually my ankle and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fractured and how old are you at this place?
Speaker 1: And it was this after you tried to kill yourself?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Um, yes, I was in a walking
Speaker 1: cast the whole summer. Oh my god, wait to funk
Speaker 1: up your summer? And so where did they place you?
Speaker 1: They ended up placing me in October in our RTC
Speaker 1: Little Flower. How was that? It was life changing? Good?
Speaker 1: It was so um because you know, you're living with
Speaker 1: other other boys pretty much, you know it. Just get
Speaker 1: to learn everybody, everybody story and like, I mean it
Speaker 1: was kind of bad too, because you know, you click
Speaker 1: up pretty much, you know. But I was afforded so
Speaker 1: many opportunities that I never had. Like I got to
Speaker 1: go to Washington, d C. With money that we raised
Speaker 1: from doing a car Washington work program nice at the Marriott.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was it cool to see Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's crazy to be there in that
Speaker 1: city and go like that's the White House, that's the
Speaker 1: Washington moment, Like it's the history of the country. Is
Speaker 1: this like it's crazy. Yeah, it was really cool. It
Speaker 1: was a really cool experience. And I also got to
Speaker 1: go to Boston. Boston. Yeah, like we went that big
Speaker 1: path you know. Yeah, yeah, I want that when I
Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was yeah, and like it just allowed
Speaker 1: me to do some main things, even though it was
Speaker 1: restrictive in a way. Ton't go anywhere where I was staff.
Speaker 1: That's just trying to keep you safe. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: But the thing that like I kind of became a
Speaker 1: favorite also because you know, I like this called me
Speaker 1: a junior staff near the end because you're helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I understood everything, like I'm Actually it
Speaker 1: was funny one time me and a couple of my
Speaker 1: friends were by the girls houses and we're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be over there, right, so our staff come by,
Speaker 1: like get the fun back down, And so their staff goes, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they're cool. Do you have you have you dated anybody? No? No,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shy. Yeah, so I mean tough stuff,
Speaker 1: but um, but this was just like exploration as a kid.
Speaker 1: Don't too Yeah, you know, because me and my friends
Speaker 1: it was a familiar situation. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And how
Speaker 1: old are How old are you? Now? You're thirty? And
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned before that you're very intelligent. Do
Speaker 1: you sometimes feel like it's frustrated? Because you said people
Speaker 1: call you things like retarded, like when you your body
Speaker 1: presents because of the cerebral palsy. So how like what
Speaker 1: is that like to be intelligent then have a body
Speaker 1: that sometimes doesn't do what you wanted to do. Frustrating? Yeah,
Speaker 1: very frustrating and like and so an you were you
Speaker 1: were placed in that emotional the class you said for Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I mean so weird. Why is it called that?
Speaker 1: No idea? It was like, are you trying to say
Speaker 1: everybody has a size seven? I don't. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what that means? And what kind of like, what
Speaker 1: kinds of emotional things were you dealing with besides like
Speaker 1: being shy, because cerebral palsy doesn't affect your emotions in
Speaker 1: any way, does it? No? Um, but it made me like, yeah,
Speaker 1: not one, you know, because yeah, because people, if kids
Speaker 1: are bullying you because of it and then the effects
Speaker 1: of that. So what kinds of things I see? I
Speaker 1: see your wearing a wrestle men your shirt, Like, what
Speaker 1: kinds of things is that one of the things that
Speaker 1: you've turned to kind of like I like wrestling, I
Speaker 1: like hockey, I like wrestling to w w ww A
Speaker 1: God Diamonds, Dallas Page. Yeah, Bert Hard was my favorite.
Speaker 1: Oh I loved him. Yeah that's awesome. I actually met
Speaker 1: him any wonder when everything? Really? Yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: So did you get to see a live wrestling Yes?
Speaker 1: I used to actually before my mother got we used
Speaker 1: to go every time. Oh really every time? Wo wow.
Speaker 1: I've only been one, but it was the only back
Speaker 1: then for good seats. Oh damn, you know what I mean? Um?
Speaker 1: And then and so what is your relationship do you
Speaker 1: feel to the LGBTQ community. Now, I'm working for Kate
Speaker 1: now here on the WHO basis, But I also do
Speaker 1: Vounty at my time, and plus I'm kind of following
Speaker 1: in Kate's footsteps. Of course, I'm Last year I became
Speaker 1: a member of Actor. What's that it's the aide coalition
Speaker 1: to on Least Power UM because we did a whole
Speaker 1: big town halls UM meeting on you to Homelessness that
Speaker 1: I was involved in the planning of UM and I worked.
Speaker 1: I also worked with them on selling merchandise during Pride
Speaker 1: and actually I'm running Queen's Pride for them next week.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, damn, you can wear a lot of
Speaker 1: hats because next because I'm our usual person who does
Speaker 1: the selling is out of town. So he asked me
Speaker 1: if I wouldn't that's great? And then and what working
Speaker 1: with Kate at through New Alternatives, What do you think
Speaker 1: is like your proudest achievement? Oh wow, I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are a lot like on your mind. I would probably
Speaker 1: say when I got to chaperone a trip to UM
Speaker 1: massive Quick Garden for Liberty Game, just seeing like kind
Speaker 1: of the most eye opening thing for me, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, I had this childhood before my mother got sick,
Speaker 1: and you know, haven't been to the garden, but seeing
Speaker 1: adult in amazement because they've never been to the Garden before,
Speaker 1: you know, before the first you know, I'm just it's
Speaker 1: close to it was like something. It's cool to see
Speaker 1: somebody experience something new and like and you helped that.
Speaker 1: You helped make that trip happen. So like for me,
Speaker 1: it's like ask the garden here? Yeah, like whatever, say
Speaker 1: that not the biggest one. Guys. Well, sometimes when you
Speaker 1: like when something's old to you and that I like
Speaker 1: when people visit New York, you're like, oh, I've lived
Speaker 1: here for fourteen years, but then you see someone else
Speaker 1: experience and you're like, wow, this is an amazing place
Speaker 1: to live. This is exciting. I have one last question
Speaker 1: that I think is an important one. I the word retarded.
Speaker 1: You got bullied by that. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: that word? Now? I'm a little embarrassed to say that.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that are like, oh, that's retarded,
Speaker 1: like not to a person who could possibly be or anything,
Speaker 1: And and I need to mind myself, like, but how
Speaker 1: does that word make you feel when you hear other
Speaker 1: people use it kind of casually like that? Honestly, I
Speaker 1: do the same thing, okay, like is it Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I always I always try and be mindful of how
Speaker 1: my words affects other people, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: being a little brady with that word before in the past. No,
Speaker 1: I do, I do the same thing, like me, because
Speaker 1: I understand now that I'm not right. Even though that
Speaker 1: was a part of PIT, I started to believe it right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because what it's used against a person to
Speaker 1: bully them, Even if it's a misperception, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's still I mean, I often I understand that, um,
Speaker 1: super polity is on the spectrum. Yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: like the medical version of mentally but retardation. It is
Speaker 1: on the spectrum. Yeah yeah, but I mean I'm lucky
Speaker 1: enough to only have it mildly. Yeah. I mean, well probably,
Speaker 1: I know the access question, but I feel it's important. Um,
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I went to the
Speaker 1: several different high schools on Long Island because she wasn't
Speaker 1: forced at homes. I mean, there was a forced family
Speaker 1: that wanted to take me to a Pennsylvania with them,
Speaker 1: but I knew my great grandmother was going to be
Speaker 1: on her way out soon, so I didn't want to
Speaker 1: leave in New York. So I ended up moving to
Speaker 1: Bay Shore, Long Island. But it was Brentwood School District,
Speaker 1: and that was probably the turning point in mycation. Even
Speaker 1: though it was late. It was eleventh and twelfth grade. UM.
Speaker 1: I remember I wasn't I wasn't doing well with my
Speaker 1: ENGLIS class because it was first period of eleventh grade.
Speaker 1: Like I would sleep in her class. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: school starts. Why two world her. The teacher's name was Mrkowski.
Speaker 1: She was pregnant. I thought she was such a bitch.
Speaker 1: She's not listening maybe hopefully, but I actually remember she
Speaker 1: was my UM I e P teachers also. So she
Speaker 1: was the one who presented me at the to see
Speaker 1: the CC meetings Community of Special Education UM. And I
Speaker 1: remember sitting there with her the chair and coach and
Speaker 1: the and and assistant chair of Special read UM and
Speaker 1: people from my foot Scar agency. And she goes to me, ramon,
Speaker 1: you are too smart to be in special that for
Speaker 1: a year. So I'm moving you to c w C,
Speaker 1: which is a class within a class. UM. You had
Speaker 1: you had special ed services in the regular class setting,
Speaker 1: like an aid working with you. Okay, you had the
Speaker 1: and the teacher with nin inspectional students going with you
Speaker 1: the sub classes and oh those you're on your own
Speaker 1: and you have a meeting at the end. It's great.
Speaker 1: It's independent. Yeah, it's a little more dependent and resource
Speaker 1: room though. Okay, yeah, um, I mean I went from
Speaker 1: you know, a meandering to I mean a seventy seven
Speaker 1: steal me to a overall gp A that's really hope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. And then, um, I know you said that
Speaker 1: your kind of position in the LGBTQ community is being
Speaker 1: an ally. I think that's really an important and like
Speaker 1: an overlooked part of the community. Uh, what is like
Speaker 1: a quick piece of advice you can give others on
Speaker 1: how they can be more of an ally just true
Speaker 1: people with respect. There you go, that's perfect simple. I
Speaker 1: love Ramone. I do too. I always saw him around
Speaker 1: and it was so nice to like so sweet speak
Speaker 1: to him for a couple of seconds without like the
Speaker 1: hustle and bustle of the new alternatives. Yeah, yeah, he's amazing. Um,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? We both saw are we
Speaker 1: starting with wonder Woman? We both saw wonder Woman? Um,
Speaker 1: you guys, I'm actually surprised. No one we always get
Speaker 1: tweets and emails. A second something goes viral about sex, sexuality,
Speaker 1: women or whatever. I guess we just assumed every's and
Speaker 1: it's one of those movies that, like everyone saw, the
Speaker 1: best movie I've ever seen. I cried multiple times. She cried.
Speaker 1: I cried when she was in the battle, when she
Speaker 1: when they were in the trenches and she got up
Speaker 1: and she just whoa. Yeah, she wanted to fight, very beautiful. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: well so I and Stephen. Stephen was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: could see how you would relate to this, like her
Speaker 1: weapon first of all, the hurt. Yeah, it's it's love
Speaker 1: and kindness and and her last out. But and she
Speaker 1: kills people when they're kinds and they deserve it. But um,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen a woman portrayed like that in film.
Speaker 1: When we when I saw Mad Max last year or whatever,
Speaker 1: I remember I talked about on the podcast because I
Speaker 1: was like, you don't see a woman this badass, like
Speaker 1: you don't see but you also don't Mad Max. Yes,
Speaker 1: and uh but I still that was a great film,
Speaker 1: But this was her. It spoke to something that I
Speaker 1: always knew in my heart, but that people would pin
Speaker 1: against me as a weakness but like kindness and love
Speaker 1: and not just romantic love, but family, love, friend, love,
Speaker 1: love for humanity, love for your lover, love for everything.
Speaker 1: That is what is the driving force on earth, and
Speaker 1: that's something that could change the world. And and that's
Speaker 1: powerful and it's not a weakness. And it was so
Speaker 1: beautiful the way that they depicted sex, because I love
Speaker 1: that she wasn't naive about sex, like she knew about it,
Speaker 1: but she's like, just please ourselves, we don't need it
Speaker 1: was it was pretty funny. It was really funny. And
Speaker 1: I love that there was romance in it and it
Speaker 1: wasn't That's the thing I hate tied down. I hate
Speaker 1: when like they're like, oh, it's like a feminist film,
Speaker 1: so there can't be roight fuck that has romance. I
Speaker 1: like romance. Who doesn't like romance? So but I love
Speaker 1: that And I loved that she was extremely graceful and
Speaker 1: and it's this thing in a way that's like, not
Speaker 1: every woman has to be fucking graceful. She graceful. She
Speaker 1: was her character was, and it was it was incredible,
Speaker 1: and it just it changed me. Seeing that movie fucking
Speaker 1: changed me because I I've never I just you never
Speaker 1: see those feet characteristics portrayed with the woman and the
Speaker 1: fight scenes were badass, and you saw the men that
Speaker 1: the male characters I got introduced to her like they
Speaker 1: sexualized her and then they didn't take her seriously at first.
Speaker 1: It was like one over the arc of what every
Speaker 1: fucking woman goes through in her professional career and just
Speaker 1: being out in the world of like, you're not going
Speaker 1: to take me seriously, You're going to talk down to me,
Speaker 1: and every woman knows this, of like, Okay, I just
Speaker 1: gotta work harder and it's fine, and and then you
Speaker 1: come up in this movie and then all the male
Speaker 1: characters just respected the funk out of her, and I
Speaker 1: was it was just amazing to see. And I also
Speaker 1: love that the bad guy's weapon was mental, it wasn't physical,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, that's some deep ship. This
Speaker 1: is the best movie in the world. Yeah. I liked it,
Speaker 1: And I think the only thing was like I feel
Speaker 1: like they like won too many times had something where
Speaker 1: like they pointed out how gorgeous she was, Like it
Speaker 1: was like over the top like amount of times. But
Speaker 1: on the flip side, I liked that the kind of
Speaker 1: evil scientist was also a woman, but it was just
Speaker 1: a confusing didn't kill her. It was confusing because like
Speaker 1: this evil scientists who had like the face plate, who
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like not attractive, was like still
Speaker 1: like Chris Yo, cris Pine, what a oh god, I
Speaker 1: love him. Yeah he was like he was so good.
Speaker 1: He was hot, he was great, he was he was charming.
Speaker 1: It was, oh my god. And also like I loved
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm a very I don't know, I'm a
Speaker 1: very naive person. And so when when bad things happened,
Speaker 1: my first reaction when it when a bad thing happened
Speaker 1: to me for the first time of that nature, I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would somebody do that? And she had that, she
Speaker 1: had that like wait, you don't it all. But her
Speaker 1: it was just like just like that's confusing, and you
Speaker 1: know that's not okay and exactly people. Yeah, but she
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so fucking good because she
Speaker 1: comes from this island where number one, there's only women
Speaker 1: live on this island. Thank you, sign me up, and uh,
Speaker 1: and you know, they have their own moral moral code
Speaker 1: and it is still such a stronger moral code than
Speaker 1: this like tarnish society that we live in. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a real. Obviously, there was like a lot
Speaker 1: of social commentary, gosh, is what I love about superhero
Speaker 1: Jenkins girl? Yeah and directed by a woman? You'd good? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's what I wrote on Facebook basically to sum
Speaker 1: up what I wrote on Facebook after I saw it,
Speaker 1: because I was also INSI I was kind of inspired.
Speaker 1: Not I mean I love the character of wonder Woman.
Speaker 1: I didn't, uh you know, she's more like you than
Speaker 1: like me. Not that I hate love, but uh, well
Speaker 1: I I've never seen yeah, I've never seen character that
Speaker 1: is more similar to me, you know, and she's and
Speaker 1: she was wonderful. But I actually went to see I
Speaker 1: like Batman and X Men, I'm not really int any
Speaker 1: of superhero movies, but I went to see wonder Woman
Speaker 1: simply because I truly felt it was my feminist duty
Speaker 1: to see the movie. And a lot of people are like,
Speaker 1: let's stupid. Are you going to just see a movie
Speaker 1: because there's a woman in and yeah if it looks
Speaker 1: like ship though, well no, because it's it's it's the
Speaker 1: first uh you know, wonder Woman movie. It took forever
Speaker 1: to fucking make it, even though she's one of the
Speaker 1: most popular, uh comic book characters of all time. And
Speaker 1: then on top of that, directed by a woman which
Speaker 1: I really loved. I thought that was ranged was pregnant
Speaker 1: during filmmage Very she's a goddamn badass superhero amazing gym well,
Speaker 1: and and then you know, it's not a coincidence that
Speaker 1: this is the DC superheror a superhero movie that they
Speaker 1: pumped the lead amount of money in. And everyone was
Speaker 1: kind of giving a lot of flak to Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: because of that. But I can't blame Warner Brothers because
Speaker 1: movies are movies are a business, and you know, we
Speaker 1: can complain all day that we don't see enough women
Speaker 1: or minorities leading film casts, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's a business. So these studios need to
Speaker 1: be putting money where they think it's going to work.
Speaker 1: So if we want to see more minorities and women
Speaker 1: leading film casts, we have to go out and support
Speaker 1: see these movies with our money. Um. Because as I
Speaker 1: like to mention a lot, I went to film school,
Speaker 1: but it is relevant for this. Uh. And one of
Speaker 1: my professors, and she was a very She was a
Speaker 1: huge feminist. She was a kind of person who called
Speaker 1: history her story, which I thought was hilarious, so funny,
Speaker 1: but she made a really good point, and that is that, uh,
Speaker 1: male centric movies do better at the box office because
Speaker 1: women are willing to see movies that don't they don't
Speaker 1: really want to see because they will go to see
Speaker 1: them with their male significant others. However, men are not
Speaker 1: willing to extend that same courtesy. It's like three whys.
Speaker 1: So small scale this affects, of course, the power, dynamic
Speaker 1: and happiness priorities in your relationship. But then large scale
Speaker 1: it affects things like the fact that it took until
Speaker 1: fucking two thousand seventeen to make a Wonder Woman movie.
Speaker 1: And even as a devout feminist, I saw that really
Speaker 1: high rotten Tomato score for Wonder Woman and I go,
Speaker 1: oh god, is this part of the feminist agenda? Did
Speaker 1: everyone just rush on and do that? Absolutely not. This
Speaker 1: movie is phenomenal movie in the world. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: really it's really phenomenal. And I've been reading I'm reading.
Speaker 1: Molly Awson recommended this book to us while she was
Speaker 1: on the podcast Rebecca traced with all the single ladies,
Speaker 1: I'm even reading, Thank you, That fucking book is changing
Speaker 1: my life. Because it's making me and I'm only a
Speaker 1: quarter the way through, and it's it's making me realize,
Speaker 1: like women, there are a lot of women in in
Speaker 1: in the plant on the planet. Young women right now
Speaker 1: and and in the United States specifically are a large
Speaker 1: portion of the population. And young women if every young
Speaker 1: woman voted and every young woman supported things and did
Speaker 1: like saw a movie like women have the power to
Speaker 1: change some things, and and and reading this book is
Speaker 1: making me just like I'm falling so in love with
Speaker 1: this book. And then I'm halfway through, core way through,
Speaker 1: and I saw when I saw Wonder Woman, I just
Speaker 1: I couldn't take it, Like I just cried for out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're more powerful than we think. Or then
Speaker 1: then we taught, were taught we are and it's it's
Speaker 1: cool to see. And it's cool too. It's really cool
Speaker 1: to see these badass women like Patty Jenkins and Galga
Speaker 1: Do and Rebecca Tracer and like like just amp us up,
Speaker 1: like be amped up by a Go see Wonder Woman,
Speaker 1: Go read this fucking book, and you will feel like
Speaker 1: you can conquer the fucking world. I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 1: like women. One of the other things I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about was. Yeah, on Saturday, I went to the
Speaker 1: pool with Melissa and oh, yeah, I want to text
Speaker 1: you about that. We'll talk about that privately. Sure that's
Speaker 1: very fun but too expensive. Um. But uh, I went
Speaker 1: there and there I was. We were in the pool
Speaker 1: and there was it was earlier in the days. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of people there, and there was a
Speaker 1: dad there with his son. And then there was a
Speaker 1: couple with a couple of kids and they're playing in
Speaker 1: the pool and his cut or whatever. And the son,
Speaker 1: one of the dad there was, the son with the
Speaker 1: sun was standing at the edge of the ledge and uh.
Speaker 1: The guy was like, come on, jump in what don't
Speaker 1: be a girl. Don't like like a girl? Jump in
Speaker 1: the pool? What are you gonna be a girl? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess I knew that people said that,
Speaker 1: but I never really heard people say that before. And
Speaker 1: it and then Guido move, I'm sure he was. He
Speaker 1: was like Tie or some ship like he was. And
Speaker 1: he was dressed well, like he dressed well. He had
Speaker 1: a nice bace like he was Tie. That's something that's interesting, actually, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And uh, and and I I just and it was
Speaker 1: after not right after, but like I'm reading this book
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing this movie, and I'm so fucking obsessed
Speaker 1: with this movie. Every day I'm like, dig into this movie.
Speaker 1: I can wait for the DVD to watch the director commentary.
Speaker 1: But I'm just, I just I'm starting to notice all
Speaker 1: the little ways that this ship, that that our society
Speaker 1: is where it is, like it starts with it's little things.
Speaker 1: It's these little, little, little tiny things. And when people
Speaker 1: bring up the word microaggression, it really it makes my
Speaker 1: eyes roll, but it's true. It's like these little tiny
Speaker 1: things that add up two people being pieces of ship. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, and especially with summer, I'm always every time
Speaker 1: it turns summer again or gets hot out again, I'm
Speaker 1: reminded of like this pent up anger I have every
Speaker 1: time someone says something to me. And I like tweeted,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days ago. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just like, you know, I'm just back to giving people
Speaker 1: the finger when they cannot call me because it's over.
Speaker 1: It's not a discussion, it's not it's not well, this
Speaker 1: is what I meant. No, stop sucking yelling things at women.
Speaker 1: It's over done. You look like a fucking idiot, and
Speaker 1: it's disrespectful and and it's just there's there's all these
Speaker 1: little things and and I just had experienced last night
Speaker 1: that it was so bad. I'm not even gonna go
Speaker 1: into it because I don't want to give anybody credit.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I was saying, it was, uh, this person
Speaker 1: is a professional, and they we had to hear this
Speaker 1: person like shoot on Amy's Schumer and say why did
Speaker 1: she get so much money for a special and especially
Speaker 1: she's not that hot. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: Like what what? Uh? And it's just it's so disheartening.
Speaker 1: But honestly, if you're ugly, like it's fine, don't be
Speaker 1: like I hate when people like you. Oh no, you're beautiful.
Speaker 1: No mebe or not. Everybody is beautiful. You're person. And
Speaker 1: you're listening to the podcast right now. Who cares? Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I honestly thought that that mattered so much.
Speaker 1: I thought that that mattered one of the most things
Speaker 1: that mattered, and it was. It's and it's like, but
Speaker 1: but now I feel like I have a place to
Speaker 1: go to, like I cannot wait to buy Wonder Woman
Speaker 1: on DVD. I want to watch that, I want to
Speaker 1: read the book. I want every time I get disheartened,
Speaker 1: I don't want it. Don't let it let you down,
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to be scooped up by how
Speaker 1: shitty some people can be, and how shitty the world is,
Speaker 1: and how shitty it is that you can't get a
Speaker 1: fucking abortion, you're forced to give birth to a child
Speaker 1: in certain areas of the world and in certain areas
Speaker 1: of our fucking country. It's it gets me down a lot.
Speaker 1: So so find things that that inspire you, that bring
Speaker 1: you back up, because you don't don't waste your time
Speaker 1: being sad. Well, yeah, and you can always take the
Speaker 1: high road. We we actually had another good example we
Speaker 1: have yesterday. We learned a lot of lot. I learned
Speaker 1: so many lessons because after that that negative experience with
Speaker 1: you know, the older comic, we ran into on the street. Uh,
Speaker 1: a young woman who's also a comedian who was seeing
Speaker 1: James right before we started dating, and you know, ultimately
Speaker 1: kind of he cut things off with her to date me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this person beforehand, um, and rightly so
Speaker 1: she was pissed at James, as I would also be. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I have to say I respect her so much
Speaker 1: as a human being, and I'm so glad that I
Speaker 1: know her now because not only did she direct her
Speaker 1: anger towards the proper person, who was James, not me,
Speaker 1: but she has been nothing but kind and warmhearted and
Speaker 1: booked me a million times and like that. That's a
Speaker 1: really great example of someone who's uh being a good
Speaker 1: woman in the world. And it was to the point
Speaker 1: where I didn't know that about her. I had no idea,
Speaker 1: and Kron was like, Christine, didea what that was? I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's really sweet. That's a girl who's dating James.
Speaker 1: Right before I I was like, whoa. I could not
Speaker 1: have sense that at all because I had a lot
Speaker 1: of interesting reactions from different women who James had dated, yum,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of them were negative, but this
Speaker 1: was a standout positive one. And I said, you know
Speaker 1: what this this girl is that. Yeah, that woman is
Speaker 1: amazing that and she really uh yeah, you know, she
Speaker 1: took the high road in the truest sense of that phrase.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was pretty cool, I gotta say, But
Speaker 1: but it's I don't know. I was asking Stephen las
Speaker 1: Night because he's the kind of man that is not
Speaker 1: a piece of ship. And I'm like, do you ever
Speaker 1: get tired? Like I feel like taking the high road
Speaker 1: does it get us somewhere. I don't want to take
Speaker 1: a low road. I mean, if it feels the best.
Speaker 1: But it's like, it's about going to bed knowing that
Speaker 1: you did the best that you could, yeah, and being
Speaker 1: proud and stick in your morals. I think I'm being
Speaker 1: proud of the actions that you take in the you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I'm just like, oh god, people just stupe
Speaker 1: low and it's a way I'm mainly talking about politics now. Okay,
Speaker 1: um wow, So this episode of Guys We Fucked is
Speaker 1: a throwback to our roots. Oh my god, this was
Speaker 1: so fun. This was so much fun. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: guest is a guy that I met in high school.
Speaker 1: It was in tenth grade, and he was a personal
Speaker 1: sexual milestone for me. Um that I will never forget. Um.
Speaker 1: We never had intercourse, but he was the first ever
Speaker 1: person that I made out with on top of in
Speaker 1: a bed, like rolling around and for like twenty minutes
Speaker 1: multiple times. I had never kissed anybody like that. Um,
Speaker 1: and it was it was so fucking cool. But he
Speaker 1: looked up with all my friends in high school, and
Speaker 1: when no one cared, we were all just like, oh man,
Speaker 1: come here. I like, yeah, yeah, Um, he's wonderful. He's
Speaker 1: a musician. He lives in Brooklyn. I got to talk
Speaker 1: to him today. This episode was the first time I've talked,
Speaker 1: really talked to him in ten years. Um. And there's
Speaker 1: a treat for you at the end. This is lovely
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Brendan, who pretty quay from
Speaker 1: every choice every day, just my thoughts and my livings
Speaker 1: and my meets and you. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know shove the sad and turned eternal.
Speaker 1: I've gone along with everything that together facing you, it's
Speaker 1: everything that all right. We're here with Brendon Muley Hill.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, So we were just looking up
Speaker 1: our friendship on Facebook and I was saying that I
Speaker 1: can see what he wrote to me, and I can't
Speaker 1: see what you wrote back to me. But you wrote
Speaker 1: the first thing you wrote was jaw jaw jaw in
Speaker 1: two thousand six. I think it was probably technically a
Speaker 1: yah that's Puerto Rican laughter. I think I was saying
Speaker 1: yes in German. Oh, I was going to say, because
Speaker 1: you're very just, but people have definitely asked me if
Speaker 1: I'm laughing in Spanish when yeah, that's likens their individuals.
Speaker 1: And then you said I'm glad. In two thousands six
Speaker 1: October said I'm glad you understand. And the funk was
Speaker 1: that about, I don't know, why can't you Why can't
Speaker 1: you see your reply? Because he shut his wall off,
Speaker 1: shut my wall down? Too popular? Um, I just like
Speaker 1: And then into that and seven he wrote I would
Speaker 1: what you mean the comment? Yeah, I would, so what
Speaker 1: I admitted, it's not that bad. I also partially did
Speaker 1: it for this eventual reaction. I like how Facebook has
Speaker 1: made it so that like the short stuff is in
Speaker 1: big text. Yeah yeah, because I had that's like one
Speaker 1: of the only small text ones. And then in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight you said you don't have to be
Speaker 1: so mean. I don't know, this seems like flirting. I
Speaker 1: guess social media flirting. Brendan is um Brendan was the guy.
Speaker 1: And I was asking Karenna she had this guy in
Speaker 1: high school and she was like, no, my high school
Speaker 1: is too big, but ours was really big. But you
Speaker 1: weren't you charmed the ship out of every woman? And
Speaker 1: it was fascinating to me? Yeah? Yeah, is that what
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah? You did? You know that? Do not
Speaker 1: think you did that? I guess so looking back, I
Speaker 1: mean it was nice. I think I think I was like,
Speaker 1: not a jerk necessarily about it. You were a jerk
Speaker 1: to some people. Well, I was just honest with the
Speaker 1: people with whom I didn't want to make out. Oh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe it was just they didn't want they were
Speaker 1: ready for that, honest day, I guess not you make
Speaker 1: out with everyone. Okay, So I met Brendan during my
Speaker 1: sophomore year of high school because that was the first
Speaker 1: year that the kids like ones the actual high school
Speaker 1: and we were doing an Frank and Me and Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: Oh that's it, that's right, I forgot And you what
Speaker 1: role did you play? I was Jack in the present
Speaker 1: day Mabel's love interests. Okay, were you a Christie Christie's
Speaker 1: love interest? Yeah? In the play in play or I
Speaker 1: r L. No, I knew you were at I r L.
Speaker 1: Because we'll get to that. Oh, I said the name whatever. Um, yes,
Speaker 1: she was my like new thing in the play in
Speaker 1: the present day. Okay, So the play takes part in
Speaker 1: the present and the past. A girl gets hit by
Speaker 1: a car transported back to Anne Franken times. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was wondering, what the funk Anne frank give some context?
Speaker 1: Can you? Can you just give me? As a synopsis
Speaker 1: of Anne Franken, she's distraught over the fact that my
Speaker 1: character Jack doesn't want to be with her. Why do
Speaker 1: I remember this? Either way, she throws herself in front
Speaker 1: of a vehicle more or less, it's like implied, which
Speaker 1: is actually kind of problematic if you think about it,
Speaker 1: Like it's supposed to be an accident, but we kind
Speaker 1: of know it isn't good message for young people in
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, if a guy breaks her hard, just
Speaker 1: throw yourself in front of the car. And Frank's best friend,
Speaker 1: which is what happen during the Holocaust, So I guess
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I was like, and Frank sounds like
Speaker 1: a sounds like a fun girl. But I don't know
Speaker 1: about like you don't secretive and you don't really know
Speaker 1: if you're inside the head of this person in a coma,
Speaker 1: or if somehow like a wrinkle in time happens when
Speaker 1: this person, like a time rift happens when this car
Speaker 1: hits her. Either way, she wakes up in ye olden
Speaker 1: times Paris, right right, yes, times was that long? And uh,
Speaker 1: I am now Jacques, because I'm a French person. Did
Speaker 1: you do a French accent? That she didn't make anybody
Speaker 1: do French accents? Thank god, that would have been that
Speaker 1: would have been bad. Yeah, but it was good acting.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and so she uh is, So I'm Jock
Speaker 1: and we're together and she's basically becomes friends with Anne
Speaker 1: Frank Er is persecuted and played and Frank and Frank
Speaker 1: and uh somehow it all something works out. Obviously it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out for Anne Frank. We all know that
Speaker 1: it doesn't ship spoiler it doesn't or doesn't it because
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes I think, you know, like how badly
Speaker 1: I wanted to be famous. I was like, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: I die as a child, but I have one of
Speaker 1: the most famous texts of all time. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: me and my family are brutally murdered. I'm I'm kind
Speaker 1: of making a joke, but honestly I'm not. If I
Speaker 1: if I you know, like if you think about if
Speaker 1: I was just like live my whole life, No, one
Speaker 1: knew who I was or if I was, you know,
Speaker 1: brutally slaughtered by Nazis. Uh, you need at least once
Speaker 1: in my tea. But then broke this great book. I
Speaker 1: think maybe you know that affected so many lives that
Speaker 1: might be better true. I really believe so. No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I agree. I would much rather have gone
Speaker 1: down the Anne Frank way than the Nonni and Frank way,
Speaker 1: which was no diary. But then no one's going to know. Um.
Speaker 1: But so so that was the premise of the play.
Speaker 1: And I remember at some point in the fall you
Speaker 1: asked me to a party, the Jay's Party. It was
Speaker 1: in the spring. It was in you wanted something. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in that play. I didn't audition
Speaker 1: for that play. Jews. I'm a Jew. I just found
Speaker 1: out I'm not. Yeah, you're Germans, fun gentile. Why didn't
Speaker 1: you want to be in the play because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be in place? Well? Then who cast? Sal
Speaker 1: told me I had to come to callbacks, And I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of how all the dramas sort of started.
Speaker 1: Because I had been away the previous the director for everybody,
Speaker 1: i'd been away the previous year, and I come back,
Speaker 1: and like all the seniors were friends of mine, and
Speaker 1: you know how that works. In high school, were like
Speaker 1: the social dynamics are very strong still like the age things.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, you know, you're right. Were you
Speaker 1: just so talented that couldn't breathe knowing that you existed
Speaker 1: and weren't in the play? Absolutely not. I think she
Speaker 1: just wanted me to be the love interests a woman.
Speaker 1: This is getting really confusing. Yahals a woman we call herselves?
Speaker 1: All right? Um? Well, I mean I think sometimes in
Speaker 1: plays like in high school that you like, some of
Speaker 1: the teachers used to pressure guys to be in theater
Speaker 1: because not as many guys were plenty of there. You
Speaker 1: were good, You were really good, I'm pretty sure. I
Speaker 1: mean for a senior high school yeah, who didn't even
Speaker 1: want to be there? Especially But there was one point
Speaker 1: I thought it was in the fall, but maybe not,
Speaker 1: but you would ask me to come to Jay's party.
Speaker 1: Jay's having a party, want to come? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never been a party. You've never been
Speaker 1: to a party. I've never been a party. And I
Speaker 1: never drank a lot of tenth grade and party not
Speaker 1: like a birthday party. But not like a party like
Speaker 1: and I remember we were in Jay's house and somebody
Speaker 1: handed me a bottle of Hurricane. I remember it was
Speaker 1: very vividly because I remember this was a monumental moment.
Speaker 1: Is the first time I would ever drink alcohol in
Speaker 1: my life? Whoa, yeah, yeah it was crazy. We weren't
Speaker 1: like party kids. We were just like kids. Who I
Speaker 1: mean he was like chugging uh Suda fen and schip
Speaker 1: and like people were doing some He was like very
Speaker 1: early in he had legit Ninja stars thrown into his wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he threw him into the wall and he would climb
Speaker 1: up the wall. I was like, okay, and then I
Speaker 1: don't know how we Wait, we were upstairs because you
Speaker 1: were my first ever making out with someone while like
Speaker 1: being on top of them, not just like sitting on
Speaker 1: a bench or like sitting because we're like rolling on
Speaker 1: top of each other. We be oh were we were
Speaker 1: in Jay's little brother's room though I remember that was
Speaker 1: another locale of the same evening, which I think was
Speaker 1: the second or third makeout of Oh my god. We
Speaker 1: made up multiple times. Yeah okay and took some memories away. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: what was it? Where was the first time we made
Speaker 1: I remember that now. I think you were on top
Speaker 1: of me because I was never trying to be like
Speaker 1: a weird, gross guy. I just like making out, right,
Speaker 1: so do I? Yeah, and I remember that. Okay, I
Speaker 1: do remember that because I remember being on top of
Speaker 1: you going like this feels powerful. I like this, And
Speaker 1: then I don't know where. We moved eventually to Jay's
Speaker 1: little brother's room. Remember there was all these Bob the
Speaker 1: Builder toys where it was like playing on the TV.
Speaker 1: Remember that? Yeah, you remember the extra d tale of
Speaker 1: Jay's little brother's room that we discovered probably about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes into our makeout. What, No, we're illegal, Please be illegal.
Speaker 1: It's not illegal, it's just really funny. So his parents
Speaker 1: were away and they had taken his younger brother with him,
Speaker 1: and we were in the younger brother's bed, but apparently
Speaker 1: before leaving, Jay's younger brother had taken the liberty of
Speaker 1: wedding the bed, and then we realized, deep into a
Speaker 1: makeout sesh that we were making out his little brother
Speaker 1: and smell it did smell like the cats that just
Speaker 1: didn't parents not noticed that he had pissed himself or
Speaker 1: they really rush to get out of the house. My
Speaker 1: working theory is I'm just like thinking of me in
Speaker 1: that scenario. Of course, we're getting the hell out, Like,
Speaker 1: I'll deal with him when we get back. No one's
Speaker 1: sleeping in that bed. Yeah wait, but are you sure?
Speaker 1: I mean it also could have been someone drunk at
Speaker 1: the party, could have just pissed in the bed. It
Speaker 1: wasn't wet, it was a dry okay, God, so sometime had.
Speaker 1: But you were on the bottom from most of our
Speaker 1: makeout session. I guess so I think you were because
Speaker 1: I was like, I like this whole being on top thing.
Speaker 1: This is fun. It was like when I realized my
Speaker 1: power as a woman. Not really, but kind of. Because
Speaker 1: it was the first night I ever drank, and I
Speaker 1: felt awful because we had the Renaissance Fair the next day.
Speaker 1: Remember that we had to get on a goddamn school
Speaker 1: buses and go to the Renaissance Fair. And I was
Speaker 1: so excited for the Renaissance Fair. But I was hungover.
Speaker 1: I had a bad headache. Everyone was hungover. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I felt that was like the first time I ever
Speaker 1: felt like really guilty, like, oh am I a bad kid.
Speaker 1: Not because we made out. That was great, because I
Speaker 1: drank and I'm like, I wanted to enjoy this Renaissance Fair,
Speaker 1: but now I have a headache because I drank alcohol
Speaker 1: like a school night party or where the Renaissance Fair
Speaker 1: was on a weekend? It was on a Saturday. Crew
Speaker 1: same cell say yeah, it was like our theater appreciation club. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I was like a school trip on a Saturday.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be dead, but run fair with like with
Speaker 1: the cool kids, and we definitely like that's different the bus.
Speaker 1: Did you and I make out on the bus? No,
Speaker 1: I just like made out some more people. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: I say what I like making out? Yeah? You were
Speaker 1: the makeout slut of our high school. But no one
Speaker 1: ever called you a slut. Isn't nice. But you are
Speaker 1: like the type of I could tell exactly Like when
Speaker 1: you I was like you are there are there are
Speaker 1: these types of men who like making out and you
Speaker 1: fit and I mean I like all sorts of things,
Speaker 1: but making out great, you know yeah? Yeah yeah, well
Speaker 1: making out was like think about it, remember when you
Speaker 1: first made out and you could just make out forever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we did and Jay's little brother's piston. When I
Speaker 1: first made out, I couldnot make out forever I'm like
Speaker 1: chasing that you to practice, you have to practice. My
Speaker 1: first kiss was in the woods, in the snowy woods
Speaker 1: with Paul, this guy Paul, when I was drooling and
Speaker 1: I felt bad. And then my friend Kristen, who also
Speaker 1: had a crush on him, like we tag teamed and
Speaker 1: like I went back out and she went into the
Speaker 1: woods and made out with them. Interest after me, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll take whatever I get. My first
Speaker 1: make out was to Shan Twain music video. Really that
Speaker 1: don't impress me much. Wow, I was going to say
Speaker 1: the one. I asked her if I had the touch,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's a line of the song. Was
Speaker 1: She like, it's so funny something like that. You used
Speaker 1: to play guitar on the fucking front steps of our
Speaker 1: high school and you would play I'll be by Edwill McCain.
Speaker 1: And that's why I fell in love with you. When
Speaker 1: you well, you had mentioned that you liked that song
Speaker 1: a lot, so I learned it. It was actually kind
Speaker 1: of a I already knew it was like a good song.
Speaker 1: I you know, like learning songs. That's very nice of you.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I got like the guitar in public
Speaker 1: part of my life behind me. I was like, meeting
Speaker 1: you before I hear these stories, I would have hated, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're in a band. No, but I remember that, and
Speaker 1: I remember you'd always do that, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: he's so dreamy and then all these other girls that
Speaker 1: crushes on you and you fucking I remember you. Remember
Speaker 1: we would go to the McDonald's across the street from
Speaker 1: our high school right before play practice, and we would always,
Speaker 1: you know, go get food, like a group of us.
Speaker 1: When you started dating Christie, you would go and you
Speaker 1: would hold her hand, and I would like be behind
Speaker 1: you because we're all walking in a group, and I'm
Speaker 1: like crying. I was so upset for like that was
Speaker 1: like only last like a week, but I was really
Speaker 1: upset now that like we didn't I don't think we
Speaker 1: ever talked. You're just like about us. We just made
Speaker 1: out and then we had fun. But you that's why
Speaker 1: I think you. I guess in high school you don't
Speaker 1: really communicate those sentiments of like so when are we
Speaker 1: what is this? You write a note? Oh right, do
Speaker 1: you like me? Circle one? Yes? No, and you write
Speaker 1: and maybe right yeah, And I was like so sad
Speaker 1: and I have pictures. There's a picture, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I have like a photo album from high school and
Speaker 1: there's a picture of us backstage with Anne, Frank and
Speaker 1: Frank and me costumes and it's Anne, you Christie sitting
Speaker 1: on your lap robin and then I'm just in the
Speaker 1: corner like wow. I look back at that picture like,
Speaker 1: crack up. That was really funny. Yeah, well I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a girlfriend into play and it messed things
Speaker 1: up for all the ladies. Do you remember I'm never
Speaker 1: really gotten kind of like the insider story. So this
Speaker 1: is kind of That's why I'm so excited. This is
Speaker 1: actually very satisfying to me. It's satisfying that I was sad. No,
Speaker 1: it's to kind of know what, like, you know. The
Speaker 1: other side was like, how long did you end up
Speaker 1: being with this Christie character? Even that long? What's that though?
Speaker 1: For high school? Like five or six months maybe before
Speaker 1: we were breaking up before the end. They're gonna say
Speaker 1: weeks and five or six months in high school isn't bad?
Speaker 1: I really? Uh yeah, I think probably five or six months.
Speaker 1: She was my first girlfriend kind of really like really committed.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, she's great, she's married. She's
Speaker 1: a baby. Really, yeah, the baby is so cute. She's
Speaker 1: on Facebook quite a bit before I got here. Huh No,
Speaker 1: well no, I actually like certain people pop up on
Speaker 1: my feet, and then certain people from high school I
Speaker 1: didn't even know his friends with, and then I realized
Speaker 1: I was in the zone. Yeah, and she she used
Speaker 1: to actually she used to live with j. C knows Best.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, That's why she messaged because she's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Because I think she listened to the podcast
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh my god, I used to
Speaker 1: live with this guy that you had in your podcast.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And then um, I was looking at her life.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, she's what a beautiful life
Speaker 1: she has, and she's so like, she's beautiful and she's
Speaker 1: so sweet. And that's why I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: hate her, but I want to, damn it. And then
Speaker 1: she broke my heart. She did, my little seventeen year
Speaker 1: old what did she do? She just broke up with me? Why?
Speaker 1: Why is it? I forget what it was like. I
Speaker 1: actually don't know to this day, I don't know. That's why.
Speaker 1: That's why would do this podcast because a lot of times,
Speaker 1: even as adults, we don't know why people break up
Speaker 1: with I mean probably some like high SCHOOLI thing, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know I was going to go to college,
Speaker 1: or I didn't talk about something in the right way
Speaker 1: or who knows. Well, yeah, I mean I yeah, because
Speaker 1: I don't remember any hearing about any of that, but
Speaker 1: too much time on the stupid with the guitar. Dude,
Speaker 1: you hit up that did you learn a new song
Speaker 1: for her? Uh? No, but one of the songs I'm
Speaker 1: sure I did, but not as vividly as that. That
Speaker 1: was Edwin McCain. Yes, yes, Oh my god, I'm really
Speaker 1: actually upset that you don't have a turn with you
Speaker 1: because the perfect ending to this episode would would be
Speaker 1: you bringing us out on well, you know, your acoustic guitar.
Speaker 1: You're horrified right now, but it would give me like
Speaker 1: just how you're satisfied. I would be so sad. So
Speaker 1: I just saw Michelle. I just came back from Michelle
Speaker 1: and she said that exactly that. She said, you should
Speaker 1: have Brendan play all be on the podcast, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I do have everyone? H yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I already had an idea, but I get
Speaker 1: Michelle's seconded Like, I said that part of me is
Speaker 1: very dead really, I mean not in the playing music part,
Speaker 1: but definitely like flirt or the flirty part. No, I
Speaker 1: mean guys playing the guitar like outside outside or like
Speaker 1: in you know, in public kind of in general. Are
Speaker 1: you sing well now? Yeah? Okay, so you play like
Speaker 1: in real venues now, yeah I do. I'm not on
Speaker 1: high school stairs. Good. I just spent the last month
Speaker 1: playing in a series of real venues. Impressa that and
Speaker 1: that's something. Yeah, what's your name? But your band? Oh
Speaker 1: were at this part? It's called Norwegian Arms. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was listening to the music. It's really good. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You always had good tasting music. I remember. I remember
Speaker 1: you and Andy would always like lead like you were. No,
Speaker 1: not that one. There was this guy Andy I find
Speaker 1: he was in a band called Shark question Mark. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah I know that band really I think d yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, people know these fans tiny band playing a
Speaker 1: lot of tiny bands. Okay, yeah you know yeah from York, Pennsylvania. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan's Tristan. I dated Darren and I dated Greg and
Speaker 1: isn't it wasn't Frankie Munits in that bank was a drummer.
Speaker 1: Then he had a stroke, get a stroke? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm still a little drum But
Speaker 1: then I guess a little bit after that She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm good with the drumming. Yeah. I when I heard that,
Speaker 1: I was like, Frankie Musas isn't Kingspoil. But they're a
Speaker 1: great band. Kings Fall was a great band. I would
Speaker 1: fucking when I dated Greg, I would follow them, And
Speaker 1: then when I dated Darren would follow them. Didn't they
Speaker 1: have mullets, kind of like fashion mullets, long issues, They
Speaker 1: had long hair, they had long shaggy he had. They're
Speaker 1: very good looking guys, remember them being very handsome, very handsome.
Speaker 1: And Jordan is the lead singer and he has the
Speaker 1: most beautiful voice in the world. Remember like pointy boots.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just makes sense, Yeah, like a very kind
Speaker 1: of like controlled aesthetic. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, they're very
Speaker 1: high fashion. Uh. Do you remember when we took a
Speaker 1: field trip in the midst of our aunt Frank and
Speaker 1: me like rehearsal calendar to the Holocaust Museum? Yes? And
Speaker 1: do you remember making out with Melissa on the way
Speaker 1: back for the Holocaust Museum? Yes? And do you remember
Speaker 1: telling her she was a bad kisser. No funny how
Speaker 1: you will only remember a good part. Well, it sounds
Speaker 1: because I was like, I think that there was something,
Speaker 1: that there was a there was a tiff at some point,
Speaker 1: and I texted her. I was like, well, what happened?
Speaker 1: He told everybody was a bad kisser. I still have
Speaker 1: this problem to this day where people are like, you're
Speaker 1: a little too matter of fact. I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't really like to beat around the bush. Did she?
Speaker 1: But she she asked you if she was a good kisser.
Speaker 1: I really don't remember. Okay, I wish he was here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak on behalf of her, but
Speaker 1: I just remember that part. I'm sorry, Melissa, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think she's still mad. She might pay. I
Speaker 1: was like, she might be. I would assume she's improved
Speaker 1: her kissing technique. And though she was probably always a
Speaker 1: great kisser, kiss her later, she was great at kissing later,
Speaker 1: maybe because she just got back from the fucking trip
Speaker 1: to the Holocaust Museum and it was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a bummer. It's not exactly like you can't be
Speaker 1: good at making out. Right after that you made out
Speaker 1: with her again? Yeah, like a party. Yet did you
Speaker 1: ever go to the parties at Mark's house. No, I wish.
Speaker 1: I don't know why one of those, this guy Mark
Speaker 1: would have these parties. I want him to come on
Speaker 1: the podcast so bad, but I don't think you will,
Speaker 1: um because he's he we banged finally. I wanted to
Speaker 1: bang him so bad. He was so hot, so handsome,
Speaker 1: still is great and bed great, kiss are great, everything, charismatic,
Speaker 1: lovely guy. I'm just gonna go kill myself. You don't
Speaker 1: know Benden. He no Bendon. He's no Bendon. But I
Speaker 1: was talking to I was talking about this with a
Speaker 1: Shell and then with my boyfriend Stephen. Like when you're young,
Speaker 1: when was the first time you ever fingered a girl?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I actually can tell you.
Speaker 1: It happened when I was when I was away my
Speaker 1: junior year around I was living in Germany. Okay, my
Speaker 1: first my first German girl. Yeah, her name was Kata.
Speaker 1: Did bench on a mountain? Oh yeah? And I would
Speaker 1: just like walk up the road my house was on
Speaker 1: and it would eventually just you'd just be in the
Speaker 1: wilderness and some mountains like like craggy, but like you know,
Speaker 1: fooded benches are good even as you get older, they're fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like good to get away. So she came along
Speaker 1: and then he fingered. Yeah, I was. I forget the
Speaker 1: first time I ever got fingered, but I think it
Speaker 1: was around tenth grade, like somewhere between tenth and eleventh
Speaker 1: or something. And guys are so young. Guys who have
Speaker 1: kned done that are so bad at it and they're
Speaker 1: not good. I mean I was having sex at that
Speaker 1: point yet, so I no one tried to eat me out.
Speaker 1: But even when like I was having sex, the finger
Speaker 1: and the tongue with guys was so bad and it hurt.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Michelle, but they have that
Speaker 1: like crazy like just like like there's a doorbell inside
Speaker 1: my vagina that you're trying to get desperately trying to
Speaker 1: get to someone's chasing you and you need to get
Speaker 1: in the house. Like a Chinese food delivery man who
Speaker 1: has this bike parked outside but he didn't forgot his
Speaker 1: lock and then he's like just hurry up and get
Speaker 1: and it's so unenjoyable. But I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was because that it wasn't being done well. I just thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is what this is, and it sucks. Weren't you
Speaker 1: masturbating at that point? Yeah, to the other side. But
Speaker 1: I didn't massurbate with my fingers. I didn't mess rate
Speaker 1: with my hands. Um. Well, fingering is a lot like
Speaker 1: blow jobs because the were the title is misleading, like
Speaker 1: there's no blowing and blowjobs. Fingering is very little about
Speaker 1: inserting your finger. It's examssaging the clips, right, And I
Speaker 1: didn't even Yeah, now that didn't That was the the
Speaker 1: first seven guys that fingered me, Uh, we're horrible, And
Speaker 1: I just thought that that meant that fingering hurt. But
Speaker 1: I knew that sex hurt, like every girl knows that
Speaker 1: sex is gonna hurt for the girl, but it'll get better.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the fingering thing was gonna get better.
Speaker 1: It didn't, so I was like, I guess I just
Speaker 1: don't like fingering, but I liked giving blow jobs. And
Speaker 1: I feel like it's hard for a young girl to
Speaker 1: be bad at a blowjob. Unlet's use your teeth, but
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the teeth, but do you guys really
Speaker 1: use their teeth to give a blow job? Is not easy.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, but it's I think it's hard for
Speaker 1: a young girl to give a arable blow drop. Would
Speaker 1: you I had some two d ones? Would see? I see,
Speaker 1: I knew not to use the teeth, but just like
Speaker 1: the motion, it just seems like the technique is difficult, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never done it, but it seems like, like I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, more of the problem is the duration. The
Speaker 1: duration you have to get into a rhythm. Like that's
Speaker 1: really what it's all like a lot of it is about.
Speaker 1: But I didn't I mean, I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I was as a sixteen year old
Speaker 1: with fingering. It's like there's a really but like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just feel like fingering. Oh it hurts
Speaker 1: so bad. Like I remember very vividly, like being at
Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore and this guy George, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: weg um Ocean City. Okay, not so bad. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: met a guy Melissa, and I met this guy on
Speaker 1: the boardwalk playing guitar. I should have brought I had,
Speaker 1: like I never had, like a boardwalk. Make it really,
Speaker 1: See you didn't bring your guitar every summer for every
Speaker 1: kid with a sense of shame about what about blankets? Dark? Why?
Speaker 1: Because you've got so much pussy from it? Pussy is
Speaker 1: the term of making out the hip. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess you've made out with so many girls from it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess, Yeah, I guess not. Also,
Speaker 1: there was that time that like there is sort of
Speaker 1: the pitchforks and torches against guitars in public and at
Speaker 1: parties led by Tom. I mean there's yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love Tom. Tom. Tom always certain revolutions. Yeah. Tom, Well,
Speaker 1: he is a pretty revolutionary guy. He created Tom Prom,
Speaker 1: heated the band of guitar. This is another thing that
Speaker 1: only you guys know. It's a party. Tom Prom was
Speaker 1: a party at his house. I literally thought that was
Speaker 1: like an invention that I had missed in life. It
Speaker 1: was just a night. It was one night party. It
Speaker 1: was one night in Pennsylvania in his basement. I remember
Speaker 1: there's someone put on mummy porn and the moment went
Speaker 1: Withdrew and we were Beyonce and jay Z. And then
Speaker 1: he made out with Alicia and because they were she
Speaker 1: was at dresses tattoo and I was really heartbroken. I
Speaker 1: had a lot of heartache in high school. How did
Speaker 1: you dress up as beyond san jay Z as white?
Speaker 1: We we didn't do black face. I know he didn't,
Speaker 1: but I'm just I want to see I. Oh, I
Speaker 1: have a picture of it maybe on Facebook. Um. I
Speaker 1: just wore like a hot dress and I straightened my hair.
Speaker 1: Was when she was doing like the sleek straight hair.
Speaker 1: So I straightened my hair and I was like okay.
Speaker 1: And then Drew just dressed as himself. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like to do jay z. It's a white man,
Speaker 1: that's very he just he wore baggy clothes. Okay. Don
Speaker 1: even out with Alzia was so pumped. But but so
Speaker 1: you didn't get a lot of bad blow chops something
Speaker 1: and it was only back to the teeth. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean other than that of like what else, what else?
Speaker 1: What is there else to mess up? You know, you
Speaker 1: just don't teeth, that's it. Just don't get me there,
Speaker 1: like that's not yeah, I mean that's not right. But
Speaker 1: there no one's hurting you unless they're using your teeth.
Speaker 1: But that's why like when women I was talking about
Speaker 1: this with Michelle, like we kind of we will still
Speaker 1: blow a guy, but we're like, don't finger me, don't
Speaker 1: go down on me. When we were younger, because it
Speaker 1: didn't feel good because no one knew what they were doing.
Speaker 1: And then that's when we kind of learned to not
Speaker 1: put our pleasure first, let him give it a try.
Speaker 1: I was scared it hurt. I had someone show me,
Speaker 1: relatively early into my fingering experience, the proper technique. See
Speaker 1: that's what Stephen had said. She was like, I was
Speaker 1: with the girl, told me what to do, and I
Speaker 1: was lucky. I was like, it was actually on a
Speaker 1: bus for maybe another kind of field trips. Huh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you made out with a lot of chicks on field
Speaker 1: trip buses. I feel such a nerd. Didn't do any
Speaker 1: of this on a bus that was a summer camp bus,
Speaker 1: summer campus. Still, I discreetly fingered my lady companion on
Speaker 1: this bus, and she guided me through the process. What
Speaker 1: did she say? Do you remember? She just kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, did like the guiding hand thing and then
Speaker 1: just kind of like whispered exactly like what to do,
Speaker 1: like you know, be gentle and did you have like
Speaker 1: a blanket on your lap or something? Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: like that, some kind of blanket. She was wearing a
Speaker 1: skirt skirts of the bush. That's why that's what skirts
Speaker 1: got fingered standing up a concert once. I mean that
Speaker 1: good time. Really what concert? It was like death metal?
Speaker 1: Who knows. I guess that's good because no one's really
Speaker 1: going to suspect it was. Well yeah, you just like
Speaker 1: it was someone goes by behind you, like you're holding
Speaker 1: you from behind, like but then you can just slip
Speaker 1: it down. Skirts are the best forever, like I love
Speaker 1: them forever. Yeah, So so I know about the sexually
Speaker 1: debauchers make out lead debaucherous you in high school? What
Speaker 1: what's like the most debaucherous thing you've done in your
Speaker 1: adulthood sex, Yeah, debaucherous. I don't know, like just you're
Speaker 1: in a band, impress us. I mean I've done like
Speaker 1: stuff on like the roofs of buildings and things like that.
Speaker 1: But I'm not like really a debaucherous guy, Like I'm
Speaker 1: down for an adventure, but it's not like I'm trying
Speaker 1: that just one hasn't happened. It's like not like I
Speaker 1: have Like I don't know, Well, you're very you're examples.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't picture you ever going to someplace like
Speaker 1: a sex club, but you were always like let's to
Speaker 1: any girl that you felt was cute, like let's make
Speaker 1: out in this like cute romantic place. Oh yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: I would like we figure out how to break into
Speaker 1: the auditorium. Oh, you just like push the big one.
Speaker 1: You push one door. We could always get into that one.
Speaker 1: You push the door in and pull the other door out,
Speaker 1: and you could stick your hand and pop it open
Speaker 1: from the inside. Would you make out girls in the
Speaker 1: auditorium pitch black auditorium? Make out? Oh, that's fun during
Speaker 1: one like lunch during school. Everyone else is in class.
Speaker 1: There's no assembly, right but right, But we wouldn't get
Speaker 1: caught skipping glass. No, because I got I was lik
Speaker 1: in like a bunch of clubs and stuff, so that
Speaker 1: I always had like a I was like a president
Speaker 1: of some clubs, and so I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta go do a club thing and then and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, let's go make out. Oh it's the
Speaker 1: Future Business Leaders of America president coming in. So do
Speaker 1: you know how many people you made out with? A
Speaker 1: high senor me? Melissa Christie obviously dated Michelle in high school, Alicia, Robin,
Speaker 1: you made it with Robin Alan the Renaissance Fair bus
Speaker 1: right after we made out, Damn Robin, David Paul right right, Robin.
Speaker 1: Five people at that party. What I'm sorry, is that weird?
Speaker 1: I guess I don't really care. Three I think three
Speaker 1: three people at that party. Four damn this person named
Speaker 1: Kara Wait. Was she older than you? Yeah? She was
Speaker 1: a theater person. Yeah, yeah, I know her. Christie's run
Speaker 1: to Facebook capturist Jennifer she when d Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 1: Also Veronica m someone who was just in my grade,
Speaker 1: I don't in theater. That's who you made out with
Speaker 1: that night? Yeah? Shit, Although I think I made a
Speaker 1: made out with Andy that night, but it was like
Speaker 1: a truth or dare thing, and it wasn't really weirdly,
Speaker 1: like a nice, positive, chill making out and happening at
Speaker 1: that party. Yeah, but it was nice and positive and
Speaker 1: chill because nothing other girls knew that you were making
Speaker 1: out the other How did you even? Everyone was kind
Speaker 1: of ptograph that. It just kind of like what happened.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was wasn't like well, I wasn't
Speaker 1: like Terry. It was like a trapped that he lived
Speaker 1: in a big townhouse. Though. It was like there was
Speaker 1: a lot of levels in it and it was dark
Speaker 1: and it was It was kind of cool because being
Speaker 1: drunk for the first time and my whole freshman year
Speaker 1: of college when I was drunk, I just remember feeling
Speaker 1: so free. I don't know why, but it made alcohol
Speaker 1: gave me this feeling that I wasn't really liked. It
Speaker 1: was happy. It wasn't just like living somewhere else, not
Speaker 1: with your parents. That was part of it. But even
Speaker 1: at that night, even that night, like I felt like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is what living. That was a great part. That
Speaker 1: was a good party. Talking about this party, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I wish you could have been there. No, I mean
Speaker 1: I was expecting that. I told it's probably me asking
Speaker 1: you what happened, a lot of me being confused for that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, to put you back over,
Speaker 1: Christina said, I I think alcohol is just great. Alcohol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the main thing. It was great. It still
Speaker 1: makes me feel free, like anytime I don't want to.
Speaker 1: And it was like running away from your problems. But
Speaker 1: it's like everything is a problem. So it's like are
Speaker 1: you running or are you just learning how to take
Speaker 1: a time out problems? Yeah? Absolutely? Really how you spent it? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were more people. I mean, you really want me
Speaker 1: to but I knew yeah yeah, yeah, I mean Liz, Yeah, Liz, Melissa, Michelle. No,
Speaker 1: not Claire, because she said that you in high school. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do only from the play for now. Do you
Speaker 1: make out with Anne? No? Okay, really okay? Now we
Speaker 1: were always just buds. Oh yeah, you guys were really
Speaker 1: good friends. I kind of pined after her a little bit.
Speaker 1: She's built through high school, but not anymore. I faded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that that's what happened. Is life? Not anymore?
Speaker 1: If you were still finding after her, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: any ten years later. Oh man, then yeah, probably be
Speaker 1: a very different person and hate myself more. Do you
Speaker 1: hate yourself? I mean in a healthy way? You've mentioned
Speaker 1: it two times, I mean two minutes. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: think it's more or less. I think a good dose
Speaker 1: of self loathing is healthy, especially I don't we don't
Speaker 1: have that well. I mean, you know, I always say
Speaker 1: like I hate I hate everyone, including myself, but I
Speaker 1: hate myself the least. I'm still a human. I'm like
Speaker 1: down with me. It's chillen, you know, it's chill be me.
Speaker 1: But it's I think I think it's just like a
Speaker 1: way for me to make sure that I'm like keeping
Speaker 1: myself in check. A little bit, you know, right right right?
Speaker 1: You don't want to get to like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be this person I am forever. I want to
Speaker 1: continue to improve what everyone is me you have to
Speaker 1: loathe the present you. But okay, I am exaggerating, but
Speaker 1: it's just kind of fun the same. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like part of your band thing, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is your guitar. What are the Norwegian what are
Speaker 1: the what is it called again? Norwegian arms? Arms? And
Speaker 1: then what are you guys about? Um about? Well, the
Speaker 1: project is really just mine, so I do all the
Speaker 1: singing and no one else is in the with you.
Speaker 1: They people perform with me, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I write all the songs and managers recordings and things
Speaker 1: like that. Recently it's just been me performing solo, which
Speaker 1: has been actually kind of wonderful and freeing. Um, he's
Speaker 1: not relying on anybody else, not really anybody else. And
Speaker 1: I've also started getting into like like more performative aspects,
Speaker 1: like I have this projector now that kind of reacts
Speaker 1: to the music I'm playing. As I play, it like
Speaker 1: comes out of the amplifier into a projector. And I
Speaker 1: started doing like like kind of like this corpse paint.
Speaker 1: If you know black metal corpse paint. I know it's
Speaker 1: Stephen probably does, I'm not so I have. I've been
Speaker 1: wearing sort of like corpse Payton stuff inspired um makeup,
Speaker 1: what's that? It's kind of like like a sad clown
Speaker 1: opera pagan the kind of thing on stage. I have
Speaker 1: got to say this, When are you playing in New
Speaker 1: York next? I actually don't have anything scheduled at the moment. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you live in New York? I do o um so.
Speaker 1: And actually right now I'm sort of developing the next
Speaker 1: level of like the performative aspect of it, because previously
Speaker 1: the band had just kind of been a band. And
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about that, I guess originally was I
Speaker 1: wrote songs about crazy places I went and then I
Speaker 1: played a mandolin. Um. I remember, there's only so far
Speaker 1: you can get kind of like making upbeat, sort of
Speaker 1: tropical sounding folk music about living in Siberia. So I
Speaker 1: eventually am I right, ladies, it's right, you get like one.
Speaker 1: This is me, So here's me talking. This is my
Speaker 1: internal dialogue. But uh yeah, so I wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of unlock, like move away from this thing that's very
Speaker 1: location based or like observational and actually try to do something.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more me talking about me and
Speaker 1: like my actual emotions as opposed to me being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in Russia and there's a lot of straight dogs
Speaker 1: and I feel this way about I'm gonna write about it.
Speaker 1: And now it's more like, I mean, I I kind
Speaker 1: of had to break up. It wasn't sad to break up,
Speaker 1: but it like definitely made me think about a lot
Speaker 1: of things. And then I had some interesting dating experiences,
Speaker 1: like I felt emotionally catfished a couple of times. How so,
Speaker 1: like just like a person who I had connected with
Speaker 1: via Tinder, which I actually I love. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people hate on it. But the idea that
Speaker 1: you can kind of just like you versus infinite people
Speaker 1: and being able to kind of randomly meet people you'd
Speaker 1: otherwise never encountered, that's cool. But you've been training for
Speaker 1: that your whole life, it seems. Yeah, dude, you are
Speaker 1: the human tender. Before tender, it was tinder people's face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wondered why you moved my head on that weight
Speaker 1: bench And I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: how actually a beautiful way to describe Tinder. So I
Speaker 1: know some people like it, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: it's hacky, almost hacky to shoot on it now because
Speaker 1: dating is hard anyway, and then the app makes it.
Speaker 1: It's the only thing I found that was weird about
Speaker 1: swiping is like that guy's got a weird nose next
Speaker 1: like some people I know, and like, that's not that
Speaker 1: does not speak to himself as a character, as a man,
Speaker 1: his character preserved to be attracted to those people. True.
Speaker 1: But my problem with it is I've seen people on
Speaker 1: it who I know in real life, who I know
Speaker 1: that they are wonderful people, and I know I would
Speaker 1: date them based on their personalities from knowing them, but
Speaker 1: based on their photo, I would absolutely not swipe on them.
Speaker 1: We got to pull them aside my problem. I honestly
Speaker 1: thought about it, but I was like, that's not really
Speaker 1: my place. So you connected with somebody on Tender, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just had like a like a nice conversation. We
Speaker 1: had a lot of things in common. We were it's
Speaker 1: pretty specific, like this one Hungarian author that I really
Speaker 1: like you. That's what it was. In high school, we
Speaker 1: couldn't identify you qua but it was like, you're very
Speaker 1: smart and intuitive and emotional. You're Jonathan Feeders. That's my
Speaker 1: you are, my like, that's who it that is that
Speaker 1: he was a guy in my high school. I know
Speaker 1: exactly who you are now, Okay. So we just had
Speaker 1: like a really it was while I was on a
Speaker 1: tour and we just had We talked the entire time,
Speaker 1: mostly via text, and like I started sending photos, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like the the natural development of a conversation
Speaker 1: you have with someone who you've never met in real life.
Speaker 1: And so then, uh, when I got back to New
Speaker 1: York City, this person was actually going to be in
Speaker 1: New York City and it told me, and they were
Speaker 1: going to be at a show that my friends were playing,
Speaker 1: and I was already going to go anyway, so I
Speaker 1: told this person. I was like, I'm gonna be there,
Speaker 1: like we do not have to meet, like whatever. Um.
Speaker 1: So then I go and I don't see them. I
Speaker 1: just hang out with my friends, watch my friends play,
Speaker 1: and leave. And then later that night, Uh, she texts
Speaker 1: me being like that was so weird, and I was
Speaker 1: like what and she's like, I can't believe you crashed
Speaker 1: my date. It's like, uh, First of all, the punk show.
Speaker 1: So the whole idea of a punk show is like
Speaker 1: includes like inclusive here, yeah, like anybody can go. So
Speaker 1: the idea that she could kind of like govern that
Speaker 1: space like already kind of made me upset. But also
Speaker 1: the fact like I didn't even see her engage with
Speaker 1: her or try to or anything. Right, Yeah, you didn't
Speaker 1: even know she was there, right, really? Because yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I knew she was there, but it was like
Speaker 1: not you didn't you were like I want to be
Speaker 1: like chill. I'm not trying to be like a creep about.
Speaker 1: There's too many creeps on this stupid right, So, um,
Speaker 1: Bendon is not one of them. Tries. Uh, that's your
Speaker 1: legal name now, it actually is that recording when we
Speaker 1: talked about that. No, but the State of New York
Speaker 1: fucked up the spelling of Brendon's first name and put
Speaker 1: Bendon Bendon. I kind of like that name. It sounds
Speaker 1: pretty good, right, It sounds like a British kid, right,
Speaker 1: because Ben's a name, and then just you want to
Speaker 1: shoog it up a bit, Bendon. I always recently learned
Speaker 1: what that was. How do you spell that? That's what
Speaker 1: I want to know I don't know, just that I
Speaker 1: learned it from Queer Eye for the straight guy, because
Speaker 1: you would always say the sleeves, I mean, however you want.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: I always like write sounds when I'm writing, but I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always usually google it and then see what the
Speaker 1: people are saying and then make my own adjustments. Got it.
Speaker 1: I meant to google that one. I just well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well look it up. Yeah. Well either way, like it
Speaker 1: kind of just like the bottom fell out of it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, if you don't want me
Speaker 1: to talk to you anymore because you feel weird, like
Speaker 1: that's chill, I'll give you space. And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's for the best. Okay was she on?
Speaker 1: She said that she was on a date. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: she had. She said she was on a date that
Speaker 1: I crashed her date. Wow, something. I don't think I
Speaker 1: was made away. And I also told her I was
Speaker 1: coming as an opportunity for her to tell me not
Speaker 1: to come. But I didn't receive a response. But she
Speaker 1: said it was somehow implicit that I was to avoid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not like you, I mean, you didn't engage
Speaker 1: in anything they were doing. So it's like, how and
Speaker 1: the person she's on a date with wouldn't even know
Speaker 1: that you were there or whore you were exactly even
Speaker 1: makes sense, exactly. Women be crazy sometimes, so Ben, I
Speaker 1: think it's more Hungarian author I mean each other Laslow
Speaker 1: crashing Hark. You know WHOA that's the name? Bless your name? Right? Wow? Wait,
Speaker 1: no last name is Laslow. I don't even remember what
Speaker 1: you said he had a more boring name. But um
Speaker 1: so was that the only time we got catfish? I
Speaker 1: mean I just felt like emotionally kind of like really
Speaker 1: disturbed by that because I really wasn't give an opportunity
Speaker 1: to make it right. And yeah, and she kind of
Speaker 1: ghosted on me and told me it was like it
Speaker 1: was like a big problem somehow, and I felt like
Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive, So I felt like really bad about
Speaker 1: it for a very long time. Yeah, you really shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm start. I wrote a song about it.
Speaker 1: I like it so well that it's one of the
Speaker 1: new ones. Oh good, Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, have you
Speaker 1: that one? God, I'm dying for me to play a
Speaker 1: song live. Oh I can do that. We can make
Speaker 1: that happen towards the end. It has to be a
Speaker 1: tenor guitar, something tenor. I'm sure ste And has one,
Speaker 1: so I will buy one. What kind of guitars at? Well?
Speaker 1: That was it's a for string. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a big mandolin in disguise. Oh Steven, Well we'll say, um, so,
Speaker 1: how long have you been single? For? M h year
Speaker 1: and a half? Okay? So? And where you are you
Speaker 1: a person that does a lot of long term relationships.
Speaker 1: I feel like you are, but travel a lot. No,
Speaker 1: actually no, I would say that this relationship I was
Speaker 1: in is the only one that really qualifies as like
Speaker 1: a true adult long term relationship is five years. Oh wow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you guys meet? Uh? In Philadelphia? Oh that's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't go to high school with us? Did she know?
Speaker 1: Because someone who I met through the like warehouse concerts?
Speaker 1: Did you ever come to that? We had like a
Speaker 1: warehouse concert space, like this illegal kind of house party
Speaker 1: concert space and never never Stupies band the Wonder Years
Speaker 1: had a concert in Philly. Well it couldn't have been
Speaker 1: illegal because it was like rough official and he had
Speaker 1: me open. He had me to stand up an open
Speaker 1: for the band. I was like, yes, please, wait when
Speaker 1: was this? This was like three years ago? Four hst
Speaker 1: solid thing. Um, that's awesome. Yeah, that's how I met
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. He directed a Wonder Years video and I
Speaker 1: was the girl in the video opposite Megan Massacre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whoever that is. She's a tattoo model. She's like this
Speaker 1: pop she blew up. She's on New York ink. She's
Speaker 1: fucking she has his tattoo and her knuckles. This this
Speaker 1: man's ruin and remember him there. I was like, oh, God,
Speaker 1: don't kill me. She's so sweet. Um, that's funny. Stupie
Speaker 1: has a Stupie is a very important person in my
Speaker 1: life because he's the reason why and met Stephen. That's
Speaker 1: really sweet. Yeah, So how did that five year relationship? Ben?
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna love this. So I was with this
Speaker 1: person for quite a long time and obviously and we
Speaker 1: for her twenty five birthday, she wanted more than anything
Speaker 1: to go to Japan. So we planned this whole Japan trip.
Speaker 1: Just go to Tokyo and yeah, tokes some token. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So her joke was like, if she didn't get to
Speaker 1: Japan by the time she turned twenty five, she needed
Speaker 1: to take more dressing measures in her life. So, uh,
Speaker 1: what does that mean I get up in Japan, you're
Speaker 1: gonna end at all? Yeah, exactly. I think she said
Speaker 1: to kill herself. I don't know why I decided to.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a real thing, but definitely
Speaker 1: like this trip. Well it's also like a great reason
Speaker 1: to go to Japan. So we found these tickets. We
Speaker 1: planned the trip for like suicide, great reason to go
Speaker 1: to Japan. We planned for like, you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of months. The night before we're leaving, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: something's up. I mean things that have been kind of
Speaker 1: like whatever, Like you know how it gets sometimes like
Speaker 1: arguing and stupid. So I was like that, and if
Speaker 1: you're going to Japan, I know, got them ticket, So
Speaker 1: I'm like what's up and she's like nothing nothing. I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: we're about to go to Japan for two weeks. We
Speaker 1: need to talk about whatever is going on in your head.
Speaker 1: And she's just like I want to break up, Like cool,
Speaker 1: can we fucking to Japan now? And we went and
Speaker 1: had the best time. Oh did you hook up a
Speaker 1: little bit? But it was kind of like like slow
Speaker 1: fade kind of thing. But it didn't feel because every
Speaker 1: time I do go through a breakup, I feel I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm mourning the death of our relationship. But
Speaker 1: I know it sounds traumatic, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: suffering from like a loss. And you didn't have that
Speaker 1: sadness like knowing that you wouldn't be together after that. Well,
Speaker 1: we still hung out all the time. I actually just
Speaker 1: had lunch with her before I came here. Oh so
Speaker 1: you really are just better as friends. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess so. I mean really, I think it was just
Speaker 1: also like we had been dating since she was twenty
Speaker 1: and I lived together for a while, and I know
Speaker 1: when I was that age, like all I wanted to
Speaker 1: do is do my own, Like eventually you just have
Speaker 1: that thing where you have did that kind of independence, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you crave it. So I could tell that that was
Speaker 1: kind of happening, and so I was down because like great,
Speaker 1: because maybe some of these things that like drive me
Speaker 1: crazy about you are going to go away, and they
Speaker 1: have and I mean, she's dating someone else, not it's
Speaker 1: not really a big deal, but we end up having
Speaker 1: like the best not really a big deal. Sure it's
Speaker 1: not a big deal because I thought I thought you
Speaker 1: were setting it up, like you go be a free
Speaker 1: lady and then you can come back. Come back will
Speaker 1: bring us together. But I mean it's not like you
Speaker 1: stop being attracted to a person you know, No, honestly
Speaker 1: all the time. And I'm like most times when people
Speaker 1: come on the show or when I see that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, not me ever dated, not me. Seem
Speaker 1: when I'm done, I'm done. Yeah, I see. I feel this, uh,
Speaker 1: and this is not the right choice of words, but
Speaker 1: like a little bit of ownership over that person of like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we have a special connection for years.
Speaker 1: Not ownership, but like a something that only that person
Speaker 1: and I had, like when you dated somebody for that long.
Speaker 1: I only feel that way about two people, Yeah, two
Speaker 1: of my boyfriends. The other ones, I don't feel any
Speaker 1: like ownership or just like that connection. I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like I was like a huge part of their lives,
Speaker 1: even if it was like we did it for a
Speaker 1: year or whatever. Like I feel like that the way
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend Tim, who I did it for five years,
Speaker 1: And then I feel way about Frank. I mean that
Speaker 1: was more forced No no, no, no, you're you're forced
Speaker 1: to relive it. Or like get questioned and every day
Speaker 1: I thought it was just one sided, but it's not.
Speaker 1: I confirmed that recently, so I feel better now. I
Speaker 1: feel I mean, I had those feelings too, but you know,
Speaker 1: I tried to squash him because I knew, like, this
Speaker 1: person is cool and I would rather have them be
Speaker 1: in my life instead of being petty. That was very adult.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, it was cool and it worked out,
Speaker 1: and a lot of my friends were concerned I was
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt because like we're kind of like still
Speaker 1: on stuff a little bit hard. But then that kind
Speaker 1: of just kind of faded away too, and then the
Speaker 1: friendship remained and things, you're cool. And when she started
Speaker 1: dating this new guy, of course, like you know, you
Speaker 1: bristle a little bit, but of course you gotta even
Speaker 1: if you're dating, if you're dating someone else too, it's
Speaker 1: still like did you do did you do the thing
Speaker 1: that girls do? Or you just like pulled up the
Speaker 1: photo of and or like what the fund does this
Speaker 1: guy have? Do you like c did you go through
Speaker 1: his profile pictures? No? No, we don't, like, yeah, what
Speaker 1: do guys do to like measure yourself against other men?
Speaker 1: I mean I met him at a karaoke bar. Huh,
Speaker 1: he did not sing a karaoke song, so I was
Speaker 1: not impressed. Well, judgment got it nice, But I don't
Speaker 1: really know. I don't really know enough about him and
Speaker 1: to make any kind of judgment, and I tried not
Speaker 1: to do that so much. Um, I mean, very very healthy.
Speaker 1: Definitely got entertained. I've definitely gotten like he didn't like
Speaker 1: said like things I regret to about it, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of like damn, oh yeah, get that just
Speaker 1: being perfect I don't even know, just kind of like
Speaker 1: hating on what I perceive as their lifestyle, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and being like that's so stupid, Like you guys go
Speaker 1: to like these weird underground clubs and do a lot
Speaker 1: of blow like that's so dumb. I was home and
Speaker 1: I was reading with a glass of wine because I'm
Speaker 1: which isn't even true. I saw what I do at all.
Speaker 1: I was gonna, well, I would have believed that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: me too. You pull yourself a bath, a milk bath.
Speaker 1: When I get wild, my friends call me Brandon. So
Speaker 1: there's a third day Brandon, Brendon and Bendon. So Brandon
Speaker 1: is like the crazy ho. Brandon is like when I'm
Speaker 1: a little extra because I've been drinking. Brandon. Okay, friends
Speaker 1: designate when Brandon has arrived. Okay, whoa, what do they say,
Speaker 1: Brandon's Brandon's here, Like I'll do something. I like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not like doing ears. You know, I'm just like
Speaker 1: a little rageous guy. You're not like you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like push somebody or like you're not violent. You're not
Speaker 1: Have you ever gotten violent with anybody? Yeah? I can't
Speaker 1: ever imagine you're doing that. No. Yeah, you're very loving
Speaker 1: and peaceful and kind of I never want to have
Speaker 1: to punch someone, like, I'll do it if I have to.
Speaker 1: But you know, what's a circumstances you'd have to someone punches,
Speaker 1: like a bunch of fascists or something. Never heard such
Speaker 1: a Brendon name to stomp him what everard I thought
Speaker 1: is going to occur, Like after this past election that
Speaker 1: was gonna I was like, Okay, it's time to stomp
Speaker 1: some fascists. I guess it's your Ghostbusters, you like assembled
Speaker 1: your crew of emotionally sensitive men, and yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing that could really I
Speaker 1: think tyranny would be the one thing that would you
Speaker 1: want to fight someone deep Okay, okay, alright, so you've
Speaker 1: only had one five year late I mean five years
Speaker 1: a long time, that was your main Yeah. Before that,
Speaker 1: I had like a relationship for like nine months, but
Speaker 1: that was like I was what was the first time
Speaker 1: you had sex college? Okay? So you never had sex
Speaker 1: in high school? No? Because yeah, because I remember none
Speaker 1: of us really had all. Well I was in tenth grade,
Speaker 1: but I lost my virginity that next year to Greg. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well Greg, oh, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've said its full name home to many times. Okay,
Speaker 1: well either way, Yeah, I asked him to come on
Speaker 1: the podcast. We've we had dinner kind of not recently,
Speaker 1: but like maybe like eight seven months ago or something,
Speaker 1: and it was so good to see him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, please come on, but he a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't want to come out of respect for their spouse.
Speaker 1: But it's like I don't want to dis her, like
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I'm happy with mine too, Like
Speaker 1: it's not like I want to get you back at all,
Speaker 1: but I really like he was the first person I
Speaker 1: ever weird vehicle to try to get someone back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not this whole ruse and our whole touring and
Speaker 1: the whole book was just so I can get you
Speaker 1: back rig No, not at all. Um. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: it was in college freshman year, like October Halloween, was
Speaker 1: on Halloween, on Halloween Halloween. Were you? I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: Probably something real nerdy. I probably wore that tiger suit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot about that. You were a
Speaker 1: theater and kids that was a theater and kids costumer
Speaker 1: like a well it was kind okay, we want to
Speaker 1: talk about how Calvin and Hobbs, Right, yeah, we used
Speaker 1: it for Calvin and Hobbs. Oh you use your already
Speaker 1: owned tiger costume for a quotes around that owned? What
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't need to buy one if you
Speaker 1: have one. So I probably were that. I forget what
Speaker 1: she was. But what we did is we broke. So
Speaker 1: my roommate had his friends over and they were playing Halo,
Speaker 1: which we did all the time for some year in
Speaker 1: our dorm. Was so fun. But this girl like wanted it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I guess it's just happening.
Speaker 1: How did you know that she wanted it? She told
Speaker 1: me explicitly, I wanted I mean your cock exactly, give
Speaker 1: you a dick bendon. So I so my roommate was
Speaker 1: in our room and it's like kind of like two
Speaker 1: bedrooms and like a shared kind of bathroom thing, and
Speaker 1: then the hallway. So what we end up doing is
Speaker 1: I ended up breaking into my neighbor's room because they
Speaker 1: were away, they locked their door. When break into lock
Speaker 1: automatically used like a key card. What her? So, I
Speaker 1: like used the credit card or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: those magnetic ones or anything. So I really know how
Speaker 1: to get into lock spaces. Yeah, apparently nippers auditoriums. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I had to pick the locks to a room
Speaker 1: in my parents house when I was a kid. They
Speaker 1: would lock me out of this one room and they
Speaker 1: didn't want me, like when they were punishing me, and
Speaker 1: I just learned how to pick it with a hairpin.
Speaker 1: So what I do it with a dog? I bought
Speaker 1: you in a room, you know, like lock me outside
Speaker 1: of a room that because the room was full of
Speaker 1: the stuff. It was like the den had like the
Speaker 1: video room. Okay, like you gotta hit the books. So
Speaker 1: your lock picking skills vetted well for your lost virginity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so then when we just went and had sex
Speaker 1: on my roommates, my sweet mates bed um. They were
Speaker 1: out of town, so that wasn't a big deal. Was
Speaker 1: she a virgin? I think so, we've never corroborated. You
Speaker 1: should start a bucket. We've never really talked Nascar. I
Speaker 1: judging from all the bloods, do you think she was?
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. There was blood. No, how did
Speaker 1: you know? Karin? But she said that she had had
Speaker 1: sex before. I've watched movies. I didn't believe. It was
Speaker 1: just kind of like a blow job. It was like
Speaker 1: a blow job situation. And then she's like, I want
Speaker 1: to have sex, and like, okay, I've never had sex before.
Speaker 1: She's like it's okay, I have like okay, and then
Speaker 1: we had sex, and then there was definitely like blood.
Speaker 1: But who knows. I don't really know, and I never
Speaker 1: asked her. And it was great. I like came like
Speaker 1: almost immediately. Of course, how immediate is immediately? Every guy
Speaker 1: says that, and they all have different answers, like within
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, like two minutes, maybe two minutes,
Speaker 1: maybe a minute minute in your condom, Yes, okay, let's good, okay,
Speaker 1: And did she come? Probably not that work doesn't get
Speaker 1: done two minutes, but there was like an extended four
Speaker 1: play before. That's good. Oh, that's good that you all
Speaker 1: had the well because you waited until college. See, that's
Speaker 1: why you don't have sex. I guess. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess I feel pretty good about it. Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: was the only time I ever had sex with her.
Speaker 1: And but that sort of was the beginning of it.
Speaker 1: Were you like, I'm a man, But I did tell
Speaker 1: your friends? Do guys tell her friends? Because when I
Speaker 1: lost my virginity I walked into high school. Was the
Speaker 1: day I got embraces off and I got he dropped
Speaker 1: me back off at high school and Melissa saw me
Speaker 1: and she goes, did you just have sex? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you're probably grinning from ear to ear.
Speaker 1: I guess. I don't think I necessarily told anymore girls. Girls.
Speaker 1: That's like such a monumental thing because it's treated as
Speaker 1: such by the world. I just wrote a lot of
Speaker 1: diary entries about it. I think I don't know that
Speaker 1: I told a ton of people a lot of writing though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta write it out. Yeah, I'm sure you did.
Speaker 1: You write a song about it about having sex with her? No,
Speaker 1: miss missed opportunity. There is a song about Christie though.
Speaker 1: Really one of the first songs I ever wrote was
Speaker 1: about that. Really, Yeah, that's such a was it? Backseat Driver?
Speaker 1: Was that the band? It was? It was never a
Speaker 1: Backseat Driver songs before backseatrited whoa pro to? Wait are
Speaker 1: your songs? Don't like Spotify because I'm gonna need to
Speaker 1: re listen to this episode and then pressed. So I
Speaker 1: think as I go through, I think our for my
Speaker 1: first real embarrassing band called Backseat Driver is no. I
Speaker 1: liked Backseat Driver. You guys are really good. It's not
Speaker 1: so bad now listening to it, like for an two
Speaker 1: old stupies. Yeah, and you all have great taste of music,
Speaker 1: and you're all really talented, and you can all sing,
Speaker 1: and well you and Andy who also was in it,
Speaker 1: Uh well Andrew and Rocky Andrew Morris, oh Roy, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Andrew Morris could play like crazy slab. Yeah. He's the
Speaker 1: first person who was like, who could play music in
Speaker 1: a way that like it was beyond my comprehension. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like it was crazy. Wow. I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Eric Hankles was a killer on the piano, and Andy
Speaker 1: he's like a musical. He's so talented like some cover bands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he does like dueling pianos now and he was
Speaker 1: in this band. Yeah, he's so good. But he remember
Speaker 1: I saw him play piano, was like, what the fund
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, he's on the podcast and just my mandolin.
Speaker 1: I picked an instrument in one else could play. So
Speaker 1: people just assumed I was good at it. Oh that
Speaker 1: was your damn tree. Oh I wasn't really my trick. Actually,
Speaker 1: I started playing that when I was ten, so very young.
Speaker 1: My mom she loves a good man too, Lenn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she'll be very jazz when she hears this. So did
Speaker 1: you learn Did you learn anything about yourself that you
Speaker 1: didn't know? Like anything about your not your reputation, but like,
Speaker 1: did I give you any insight that you never had previously?
Speaker 1: It's been interesting because I always thought it was like
Speaker 1: kind of a joke. I remember that one time Salp
Speaker 1: was everyone into kind of like the other side of it.
Speaker 1: Oh um, that it was like any kind of deal,
Speaker 1: right right, Because apparently it was like kind of a
Speaker 1: deal with everybody, And how would isolate you? I would
Speaker 1: say it was a deal, sin considering we're in our
Speaker 1: late twenties, early thirties, and we're sitting here talking about it.
Speaker 1: That would mean the number one clue. Well, that's how
Speaker 1: I was so excited. I could not rehash these memories.
Speaker 1: I mean it led to an arrest. Technically, what's all
Speaker 1: the cupcakes? Yeah, the cup pupcake story heard around the world.
Speaker 1: So there was a girl, can we I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make her. Well, we're not saying her
Speaker 1: last name, but it's one of the girls that he
Speaker 1: one of the girls that he had made out with
Speaker 1: that we previously mentioned that was in the play. Actually, correction,
Speaker 1: I did not make out with her. I had to
Speaker 1: make out with her for the play, that's right, And
Speaker 1: that was to work kiss. And it was weird because
Speaker 1: she was she liked you really and she really liked you,
Speaker 1: and she was upset. She was upset about all the
Speaker 1: chicks you were making out with. And uh, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: I I don't, I don't, Yes, I'm pretty sure. A
Speaker 1: lot of rogue tongue in that stage kiss, that's right.
Speaker 1: I remember you came on stage like, oh man, she
Speaker 1: shoved her tongue down My girls can to hell? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was you have to have the time.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and then you can take it away with
Speaker 1: the story because Claire. Every time I get together with Claire, Liza, Michelle, Claire,
Speaker 1: one person goes to the cupcake story. Okay, and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh boy. So uh, backseat driver funny and we landed
Speaker 1: on that. We had our EP really show, the same
Speaker 1: one you can still listen to on Spotify today. Um,
Speaker 1: have you a real gump in backseat driver? Less? I
Speaker 1: don't even get those that money. I don't even know
Speaker 1: where that goes. Uh. So we had a really show
Speaker 1: and everybody kind of came to the show. It was
Speaker 1: in our hometown during the summer break after our freshman
Speaker 1: year of college, so all of you all are still
Speaker 1: in high school, like junior seniors whatever. Um. So this
Speaker 1: person also came this stage kiss human and uh and
Speaker 1: uh we had an after party yet Andy's house, who
Speaker 1: was in the band with me. Um and after party, wow,
Speaker 1: I do now, but like it was a party at
Speaker 1: his maths house house. His mom was also a veterinarian, like,
Speaker 1: and the vet was in the house. So there's like
Speaker 1: animals really cool. Yeah, big backyard, huge finished basement, full
Speaker 1: full full, great place. To have a party a bunch
Speaker 1: of teenagers. Teenagers either way. Comes to the point. I
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend at the time who was your girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Her name was Michelle, but she was from She went
Speaker 1: to a different high school. You don't know her. She
Speaker 1: goes to different and she was there and we, you know,
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, being drunk and like kissing, being cute,
Speaker 1: making out whatever. Um. Suddenly the expression on cupcake person's
Speaker 1: face kind of sours. I'm like, okay, go into the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Claire had big cupcakes for one for each member of
Speaker 1: the band. It was so sweet. If I wasn't nineteen,
Speaker 1: I probably would have made a different decision. But this
Speaker 1: is the decision I made. This person asked me for
Speaker 1: a cupcake, and I said no, because there are four
Speaker 1: members of the band four cupcakes. See I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: I see, I didn't know there were only four cupcakes.
Speaker 1: That's very fure. I thought there was like, alright walking
Speaker 1: in here. I think this fucking kind. I am not
Speaker 1: a monster. Okay, this is a whole different story. Can
Speaker 1: definitely confirm the She might even said I just totally
Speaker 1: forgot so for okay, so that makes sense. She asked
Speaker 1: for when I said no, and then it kind of
Speaker 1: likes something happened, and why why you have you never
Speaker 1: liked me? You will never love me. I don't get
Speaker 1: why I like you, blah blah. I've never seen that movie,
Speaker 1: but it's a great it's a good reference. It's very fitting.
Speaker 1: Nailed it. And meanwhile, like my drunk girlfriend, so we
Speaker 1: started having kind of like this conversation because I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to be like, hey, I'm sorry about this cupcake thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that I don't like you. I just
Speaker 1: don't like you. And that's just kind of how it is.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what else to say to you.
Speaker 1: You really can't say any much else. Um So, then
Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time, you know, keeps like walking
Speaker 1: by kind of drunk, drunken, like not really knowing what's
Speaker 1: going on, like we'll give me like a kiss on
Speaker 1: the cheek or whatever. You know. The history of that
Speaker 1: that girl like, and I think it really fanned the flames. Eventually,
Speaker 1: this person tries to go outside, choose to go outside
Speaker 1: into the front yard. And this is like a neighborhood
Speaker 1: that's off of a This isn't a neighborhood, this is
Speaker 1: a meet with houses on it, like a main pretty
Speaker 1: main room. But there's no lights there. It was a
Speaker 1: very dark street lights. There's no sidewalks. So she goes
Speaker 1: out into the driveway. It's kind of like having a meltdown,
Speaker 1: an episode of some kind, which is upset. I've had no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've had those I've had. This story is amazing, and
Speaker 1: I've had those episodes too. That's why don't want to
Speaker 1: say the names. I don't want to make her feel bad.
Speaker 1: But out into the driveway and I'm out there like
Speaker 1: still trying to reason with her. And she actually lived
Speaker 1: pretty close her parents house was kind of like around
Speaker 1: you'd make like two turns, like turn on the driveway
Speaker 1: and make the first left and just drive down the
Speaker 1: street and then we're at her house. He would have
Speaker 1: walked there because it's dark and there's no sidewalk, so
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm going to walk home. Also, is barefoot.
Speaker 1: This person never wore actual shoes, like flip flops or nothing. Right,
Speaker 1: that's kind of like I love it. Okay, I'm distinctly
Speaker 1: remember this phrase which will hunt me beautifully until my
Speaker 1: dying day, which is uh. I remember asking her to
Speaker 1: stop having a dramatic monologue in the driveway, and she said,
Speaker 1: this isn't the dramatic monologue, this is my life. And
Speaker 1: my response was, your life is a dramatic monologue, a
Speaker 1: screenplay one day, I guess, or a song with the
Speaker 1: clown thing with the clown thing. Yeah, so she did
Speaker 1: that make her mad? Yes, she got up and started
Speaker 1: walking home. I'm walking home like I'm drunk, definitely drunk,
Speaker 1: like not crazy drunk, but like you know, I am underage,
Speaker 1: so I really can't be any drunk. And knowing that
Speaker 1: she lived like right around the corner, I was just like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna drive you home real fast, super easy,
Speaker 1: like two turns, drive straight, pull into your house. How
Speaker 1: the interest was this walk that drunk driving was better
Speaker 1: and there was people would get people would right okay,
Speaker 1: And it was like a forty five mile road. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like like okay, yeah, so it's people were going
Speaker 1: kind of fast and other people, I'm sure we're way
Speaker 1: more drunk. I wasn't that drunk, you know, team definitely drinking,
Speaker 1: Like I have drunk drive driven in my life once
Speaker 1: and I was drunk. I did and I wanted to die.
Speaker 1: I'm looking back, I still feel okay about that decision. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you're trying to save her. I was just thinking, like
Speaker 1: I just want this to be done. I want people
Speaker 1: to be safe and like whatever. Boy scout also, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's yeah, uh so try to get her
Speaker 1: in car. She won't get in the car. She starts
Speaker 1: walking on the street. I turned behind her on the
Speaker 1: street and I'm like, oh god, okay, trying to get
Speaker 1: her in a car, trying to get in her car.
Speaker 1: She's like no, no, screaming pitch black silence. Cop car
Speaker 1: pulls up behind us, and I just quickly turn right
Speaker 1: into the next driveway and pretend like it's my house.
Speaker 1: Turn off the car, really commit get out and start
Speaker 1: walking towards the front door, and the cop is trying
Speaker 1: to get her to stop. Like I can hear the
Speaker 1: like pirst star stopping like the speaker thing. It's more
Speaker 1: about like how this seaker sounds not exactly what said right,
Speaker 1: and the you know, the spotlight and when they shine
Speaker 1: it on you, and she's lit beautifully in the street
Speaker 1: walking and eventually the cop cars like cut her off
Speaker 1: because she won't stop walking. They're about a hundred feet
Speaker 1: down for me. As soon as I see that happen,
Speaker 1: get back in my car, get out of the driveway,
Speaker 1: and just because I knew it was just like a
Speaker 1: quick like made the turn, turn off my head lights,
Speaker 1: turned into the driveway, parked my car kind of like
Speaker 1: in the back where they couldn't see it from the
Speaker 1: street basically, and then like run to the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was good. If you remember, in the meantime, I
Speaker 1: wasn't at that part. So many stories and I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, someone had decided to threaten someone with
Speaker 1: a knife in the basement actually at Andy's party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like in a weird like some guy who thought
Speaker 1: he was smart, like took a knife from upstairs. He
Speaker 1: was trying to be philosophical, you know, like that kind
Speaker 1: of like freshman, you're philosophical, like, well, the theater guy
Speaker 1: who like, and I don't think it's anyone we really
Speaker 1: knew very well either. He was like someone's weird friend
Speaker 1: definitely comes there's like a knife, like a steak knife
Speaker 1: or something. And I was like, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say that this is a knife, man, but this is
Speaker 1: a knife. WHOA for saying that? So Andy was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta get the hell on my house. And as
Speaker 1: soon as I get to the top of the stairs
Speaker 1: and open the door, I'm like, nobody can leave. Oh no,
Speaker 1: because the whole the kid with the knife hadn't left yet. No,
Speaker 1: he was like being pushed out the door and I
Speaker 1: came in, was like, nobody can leave. This is this
Speaker 1: is like really can't hardly wait the movie. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that he'll all played out. We eventually made him
Speaker 1: leave and everything was chilled. The cops never showed up,
Speaker 1: but the next morning I did pick her up from jail. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so how did you know that she was in jail drunk?
Speaker 1: He went to jail drunk, he got she called devined
Speaker 1: in the morning. She said she didn't sleep all night
Speaker 1: and she the cops wouldn't give her her flip flops
Speaker 1: and she's sang shows tunes at the top of her
Speaker 1: lungs in her cell all night. Yeah, oh girl, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's what happens when theater kids get drunk. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm assuming she's white, and I'm assuming that
Speaker 1: she was the like, you know, favorite person in the
Speaker 1: holding cell at night. I guess she was in a
Speaker 1: holding cell, not in actually, cause like there was like
Speaker 1: a drunk tank. Yeah, I'm sure, like you know, in
Speaker 1: a room like sober up until yeah. Um yeah. So
Speaker 1: she called Devon who's at this party? And Devin didn't drive,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what she's trying to I guess
Speaker 1: it was just like the person she call. Well, they
Speaker 1: all wanted you to pick her up. I remember, because
Speaker 1: you were kind of the I was. I wanted to
Speaker 1: pick her up, not because I mean, of course, like
Speaker 1: there's some like you know, was that like that one
Speaker 1: emoji where you kind of like slightly smiling like slightly
Speaker 1: smiling emoji. Definitely was happening, but also like I just
Speaker 1: wanted to take her home and make sure everything was fine.
Speaker 1: So when picked her up, and what was her face
Speaker 1: like when she saw you showing up at the jail,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Actually it was like my obsessive crush
Speaker 1: is probably like the person I would want least to
Speaker 1: pick me up from them, well, no one else, no
Speaker 1: one else would all really did her parents know? I
Speaker 1: feel like she probably have no idea. I have no
Speaker 1: idea the aftermath was, but when got her from the
Speaker 1: police station and drive her home definitely made like a
Speaker 1: joke like that you wish I would have driven you
Speaker 1: home last night. You know, maybe you get one more
Speaker 1: of just a deep burnet. You get one though. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and then she was probably like, should have give me
Speaker 1: one of those fucking cupcakes? She should have. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's that was the retort. I haven't seen her since. Really, well,
Speaker 1: if you just loved her, lives in this city. Definitely
Speaker 1: lives in this city, in New York City. I found
Speaker 1: her on Instagram and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so cool. She to one of your clown makeup shows.
Speaker 1: No way, I'm sure I think I would have known
Speaker 1: also wearing I mean, I have had moments in high
Speaker 1: school where like my crazy flag flew, but in the
Speaker 1: moments that I would not have been proud to recall,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't can't think any of the top
Speaker 1: of my head, but like just screaming fights and fucking
Speaker 1: me being ridiculous, and so I'm sure she's fine. Now, well,
Speaker 1: I really, if you're out there, I'm sorry. I should
Speaker 1: have given you that fucking cupcake. Yeah, give her the
Speaker 1: goddamn thirty year old me regrets, nineteen year old me,
Speaker 1: nine year old me probably would still have done the
Speaker 1: same thing. Maybe it would been like a twenty three.
Speaker 1: That's probably maybe where the change would. I was going
Speaker 1: to say, she's not listening, but I'm like, no, she
Speaker 1: definitely has a Google alert up for you. I don't
Speaker 1: know you guys listen as Bendon. Yeah, okay, we got
Speaker 1: to do that. Well, dude, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us for this lovely hour of recalling high school lust. Um,
Speaker 1: what do you do? You want to promote anything again?
Speaker 1: At the at the end, like, what's your band name again?
Speaker 1: Norwegian Arms. My band's name is called Norwegian Arms. We've
Speaker 1: got two albums out. One is about a year living
Speaker 1: in Siberia, which I did, and one is about just
Speaker 1: kind of doing stuff and thinking about it. Um, they're
Speaker 1: both on Spotify and you know all the internet things,
Speaker 1: band camp, etcetera. Dope. Oh did I tell you this
Speaker 1: one fact? You were the first as hard penis I
Speaker 1: ever felt over jeans. Thank you for being the first
Speaker 1: hard penis I ever felt. A right, I hope I did. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think it was great. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: remember going, oh god, what's that? Oh there's no pants
Speaker 1: that came off, which was good. It was baby steps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't ready for that either. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: hadn't had sex then, right, which I didn't know those
Speaker 1: surprising to learn that you who didn't have sex in
Speaker 1: to college. I thought you were getting it in everyone. Man,
Speaker 1: I mean that there's still more in about that party
Speaker 1: I didn't share. Wait what there were? Definitely like I
Speaker 1: got a couple of blow jobs at night too, hustle
Speaker 1: blow job whoa alright, alright, don't want too many people,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I got like who got blow jobs from
Speaker 1: two people at the same time? What. I can't believe
Speaker 1: you left this until the end. I'm so mad now, Brandon,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna call you Brandon girls. Brandon came out.
Speaker 1: I know, right, what was this before or after? We
Speaker 1: made out? After? It was like kind of the last
Speaker 1: thing I did that evening? Yeah, it's closer. That was yeah,
Speaker 1: because well yeah, wow, where did I sleep? Christina thought
Speaker 1: this was her night? That was my night? Here you
Speaker 1: are getting double deck or blow jobs. They have podcasts,
Speaker 1: they might they might want to go a podcast. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was We made out for so long, though not
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