Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast see's the game of cornhole
Speaker 1: as a metaphor for life. Welcome back to another edition
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast, presented by New Era.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanza's Name, joined by room Field
Speaker 1: with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Breg What's ups Hey?
Speaker 1: Push the show back a day to make sure all
Speaker 1: the heroes were together. I was hoping we'd be celebrating
Speaker 1: a regular season title for the Shield after UM last night,
Speaker 1: but instead another huge disappointment. It was one of the
Speaker 1: worst softball performances I've ever seen. The playoffs start next week.
Speaker 1: We're in the playoffs, but we lost seventeen to two.
Speaker 1: Tart to score only two runs in softball. But it's good.
Speaker 1: I look at it like we got that game. It's
Speaker 1: better we got it out of the way last week.
Speaker 1: All we gotta do is win two games and it
Speaker 1: suddenly it's glory. One observery with your team having been
Speaker 1: to fewer games this year in the than in the past.
Speaker 1: I saw one game where and we talked about this
Speaker 1: before the show, where I was walking around calling you
Speaker 1: the because you looked at that powerful like the ceiling
Speaker 1: was very high. But then in other games like last night,
Speaker 1: the volatility of the team seems to be a season
Speaker 1: long issue well to two big factors there the strength
Speaker 1: of the opponent. You saw the worst team in the
Speaker 1: league last night. Last night we played the number one
Speaker 1: seed in the tournament. And the second thing is whether
Speaker 1: we're at full strength or not. We were missing a
Speaker 1: couple of key people last night. It's been a very
Speaker 1: difficult season. Um. Uh, despite our seven and five record,
Speaker 1: which is fine. Um. As the manager of the team
Speaker 1: between Wes's illness, um, some issues with drinking and drugs
Speaker 1: with the team whoa like minutes, Yeah, we're like the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Legal troubles. Uh, people showing up late. Uh. Like I said,
Speaker 1: people showing up intoxicated. Uh. I'm I'm not having a
Speaker 1: lot of fun this season, and this is one of
Speaker 1: those things where what I need to do is get
Speaker 1: to the end of the season. It happens to everyone
Speaker 1: if you follow sports. That happens to every manager coach.
Speaker 1: They think to themselves, let me get through the season
Speaker 1: and kind of reassess where I am. And I'm very
Speaker 1: much in that place as the skipper of the shield
Speaker 1: as we enter the playoffs. Um My heart and soul
Speaker 1: is in it, but I don't know how much longer
Speaker 1: my heart and soul could be in it. And breaking news,
Speaker 1: not ready to break anything yet, but West, I think
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head before the show.
Speaker 1: What we need. There's some you know, a little come
Speaker 1: to Jesus moment with several of the roster members. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. Well, I've been playing softball for twenty five
Speaker 1: years and every team I've ever been on, almost every
Speaker 1: team that every softball team has the philosophical difference are
Speaker 1: we playing for fun? Are we playing to win? And
Speaker 1: the manager's job is to make as many happy as
Speaker 1: many of the people on the team happy as possible.
Speaker 1: You don't answer to the one person making waves. You
Speaker 1: answer to everybody. So if most people want to win,
Speaker 1: you try to do that. If most people just want
Speaker 1: to have fun, you try to do that. We have
Speaker 1: a mixture of both, so it makes it makes it complicated.
Speaker 1: We'll put Greg. I'll just say, you know those teams
Speaker 1: eighty six Mets, those Cowboys teams. Sometimes all you gotta
Speaker 1: do is you get to the dance, you get in
Speaker 1: the big games, and then all right, there's been issues,
Speaker 1: there's talking about flipping a switch. I'm just I'm not
Speaker 1: talking the switch. Winning. You know what's fun? You know
Speaker 1: what I'll make you have fun as a skip winning
Speaker 1: two games and winning a title, and that that's doable.
Speaker 1: A great story about the team catching the ball, that
Speaker 1: would make me happy. How about hitting a double which
Speaker 1: we didn't have yesterday. We didn't have a single double.
Speaker 1: We had zero extra base hits. So let's they were
Speaker 1: throwing underhanded. Let's let's you know, the flipping the switch.
Speaker 1: Greg is the rookie on the team, and you have
Speaker 1: that rookie boyishness to you where no I know what
Speaker 1: sports are like. We got a chance. We've literally in
Speaker 1: the two teams that are in the playoffs with us,
Speaker 1: we've beaten them, so we are capable of winning those
Speaker 1: two games. That's it. To Greg's point, the team that
Speaker 1: we beat in the championship last year was better than
Speaker 1: any team we played this year. I like the optimism
Speaker 1: from Greg. That's not your job, but it's good to
Speaker 1: have a voice like that. That's the rookie on the
Speaker 1: grizzled veteran and I appreciate Greg's optimism, but sometimes it
Speaker 1: grinds me down. I mean, all these tiled and tired managers.
Speaker 1: They get to go to Hawaii for three weeks and
Speaker 1: pund of their future. You get training camp and the
Speaker 1: business time of the year exactly, which is what we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about today. Um with training camp
Speaker 1: now what a week away? Basically, no, it literally started
Speaker 1: today for the Arizona Cardinals have shown up for full
Speaker 1: team practice which starts tomorrow. Cowboys will be there tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But I mean like the league wide where everybody rest
Speaker 1: of the league and the next week alright, So so
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do today is, uh, you know, start
Speaker 1: to take a peek at the beginning of a new season.
Speaker 1: That's what I really like personally. They get the training
Speaker 1: camp that's the new season. All this other O tier
Speaker 1: stuff and mini camps they get covered exhaustively now by
Speaker 1: the media. In the old days, that was just you know,
Speaker 1: it's just part of like those teams are going through
Speaker 1: their motions. But now we cover that like it's part
Speaker 1: of the twenty seventeen season, which it kind of is.
Speaker 1: But for me, now we're getting to the new season,
Speaker 1: it's time. It's gonna be fun to have new stuff
Speaker 1: to talk about. That's gonna happen soon. We're not there yet, though,
Speaker 1: I think more legitimate information comes in the first week
Speaker 1: of training camp than the than the previous four months combined.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna play one of our favorite games. What's
Speaker 1: more likely training camp? Addition, uh today also we have
Speaker 1: a surprising amount of news to get to, so a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff to talk about guys today, as
Speaker 1: we put that loss and stop all behind us and
Speaker 1: we try to have a you know, a winning podcast. Mark,
Speaker 1: Let's let's attempt it. I'm not against that idea. I
Speaker 1: never heard that. I've never heard my positivity being called exhausting.
Speaker 1: It's it's been a tough season for SKIP, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm being rational. It's been a long season.
Speaker 1: One third person here too. I think things were on
Speaker 1: a whole new level of self referential comments at this point.
Speaker 1: Let's do some news. So you're living in the past, man,
Speaker 1: You hung up on some clown from the sixties. Man,
Speaker 1: a lot of feedback about Bows of the Clown. I
Speaker 1: am stunned. West. I could imagine you, um sitting in
Speaker 1: front of a big black and white TV with your
Speaker 1: cowboys and Indians figures watching Bows of the clown. You
Speaker 1: said you had no idea who it was. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are surprised. I mean, I know that Bozo
Speaker 1: is a clown. I didn't know there was a TV show,
Speaker 1: and I mean I hear from Twitter that it was
Speaker 1: on w g N. The Wesley family did not have
Speaker 1: cable television, microwaves, call waiting, We didn't have any of
Speaker 1: that stuff in the eighties. The Westlings didn't have a
Speaker 1: call waiting. My dad thought it was rude. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a true story or just a joke
Speaker 1: of for some reason in mind my my mind it's
Speaker 1: a true story. Is the story you told about all
Speaker 1: the boys being in the basement like a piece of
Speaker 1: steak being thrown down the stairs once. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever told this story. I think you told. All right,
Speaker 1: let's start with a nominee for the team of a
Speaker 1: t L How about that. It's not an official We'll
Speaker 1: get to get to that. But I'm just as a
Speaker 1: team and the Los Angeles charges that have been bandied
Speaker 1: about um and it's kind of funny, well not funny,
Speaker 1: it's it's a bummer, I would say. For many people
Speaker 1: were connected to the team that Mike Williams, the team's
Speaker 1: wide receiver I was drafted in the first round number
Speaker 1: seven overall, is likely to start camp on the populist
Speaker 1: following a second epidural on the herniated disc and his
Speaker 1: lower back. UH Mike Garofolo said that the former Clemson
Speaker 1: star resumed running this week and is feeling better After
Speaker 1: the second procedure was first reported by Being rap Sheet.
Speaker 1: UM reported that back surgery was on the table for
Speaker 1: Williams three or four weeks ago, but now UM they
Speaker 1: are hoping to avoid that with Williams improving. I I
Speaker 1: said that it was UM kind of interesting because we
Speaker 1: were just talking about the Chargers and how they always
Speaker 1: seem to have this loaded roster and then they get
Speaker 1: ticked off one by one, just get picked off, and
Speaker 1: now Mike Williams is hurting. Greg your thoughts when you
Speaker 1: saw this. They are the most unlucky team when it
Speaker 1: comes to injuries in the NFL. The Football Outsiders site
Speaker 1: does a stat called injury games lost or adjusted games loss,
Speaker 1: which you know, basically determines who's lost the most games
Speaker 1: out of started They have been twenty six or worse
Speaker 1: for five straight years in that category. That's insane in
Speaker 1: the last two years. I believe was thirty feet and
Speaker 1: thirty if there's something like that, So that is very unlucky.
Speaker 1: That being said, Mike Williams was not a starter. I
Speaker 1: think he was gonna have to really work hard to
Speaker 1: have a role. Obviously, you'd love a top ten pick
Speaker 1: to to be a big time factor, but they are
Speaker 1: very deep at wide receiver. This just gives them less,
Speaker 1: you know, room to have another injury. I mean, every
Speaker 1: time a wide receiver catches the ball just about he
Speaker 1: gets hit. Herneyd disc is not ideal for a wider.
Speaker 1: It's very serious for him for Mike Williams, like and
Speaker 1: you have to wonder if if the Chargers knew this,
Speaker 1: if they knew it was still giving an issue in
Speaker 1: August or late July, would they have drafted it. No.
Speaker 1: I mean it feels like they didn't know about this
Speaker 1: when they drafted, and he came to the team with
Speaker 1: this first rookie minicamp practice, he gets hurt. And yes,
Speaker 1: they are deep at wide receiver, but you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: With last year's Chargers decimated by injury, they still scored
Speaker 1: over four h points on offense. They could easily score
Speaker 1: four fifty plus this year, and I it's just a shame.
Speaker 1: You'd like to see them. You go out and you
Speaker 1: make this pick last year than in a Bosa all
Speaker 1: summer and it was a huge deal and then he
Speaker 1: came back and he dominated. It's hard to imagine that
Speaker 1: with this kind of an injury for a wider soon.
Speaker 1: We've seen it with first round wide receivers in recent
Speaker 1: years who don't get on the field in the offseason.
Speaker 1: Even if he gets ready, it's like, it is he
Speaker 1: really going to be a factor? Josh Dotson was one,
Speaker 1: Kevin White was another, Like it's hard for them to
Speaker 1: catch up. Um. Bad luck is obviously one way to
Speaker 1: put it put it, but is it possible Also the
Speaker 1: Chargers organizationally, maybe they're not doing something right that this
Speaker 1: is happening. Everything. They must have looked into this because
Speaker 1: that kind of conditioning now is is gone into new
Speaker 1: scientific realms. If they're behind on that level, it's their
Speaker 1: own fault. But I would imagine they're researching this endlessly. There.
Speaker 1: Their trainers had some some red flags over the years
Speaker 1: in terms of negativeness, So I don't know it's not
Speaker 1: working whatever is going on. Um, the good news UH
Speaker 1: in the wide receiver corps for the Chargers is that
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen is healthy after suffering that a c L
Speaker 1: injury last year. And Philip Rivers was on the Rich
Speaker 1: Eyes and Show last week and had this to say
Speaker 1: of Keenan Allen. He looks like himself. I really think
Speaker 1: he looks just as good as before he got hurt.
Speaker 1: Should I sound the trope alert? I think it's worth it.
Speaker 1: The trope glossary. By the way, veteran X declar's he's
Speaker 1: more explosive than ever after suffering suffering devastating lower body injury,
Speaker 1: which is more or less what Keenan Allen went through. Uh,
Speaker 1: they need him to be Keenan Allen of old well.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers also said you'll see the same guy trot
Speaker 1: out there as last September and and just under two
Speaker 1: quarters of the season opener, he toyed with Marcus Peters,
Speaker 1: one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: was a legitimate number one receiver before that a c
Speaker 1: L injury. They they need him. I mean, now, I've
Speaker 1: been talking about all this depth, but it sort of
Speaker 1: has to Like Tyrone Williams works kind of as a
Speaker 1: number two. Benjamin works as a number three. You got
Speaker 1: the two tight ends. Alan is the key to it.
Speaker 1: If he if he gets hurt again, then suddenly they're
Speaker 1: not that exciting the receiver. Moving on the panthers there
Speaker 1: General is he an interm general monitor Marty Herne, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's still a little weird. Though I find it very
Speaker 1: odd fired him, replaced them, fired the guy that replaced him,
Speaker 1: and now brought him back, especially when he was he
Speaker 1: was essentially a punchline. When he got fired, un created
Speaker 1: total cap Hell and now it's oh, well, we're we're
Speaker 1: going back to the culture that we longed for under
Speaker 1: Marty Hernie. It's like, within three days suddenly Gettleman, David
Speaker 1: Gettleman is turning to the villain. How about the guy
Speaker 1: that actually got you out of cap Hell and made
Speaker 1: one great draft pick after the next. We're going back
Speaker 1: to Marty Hernie, going back to your ax. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: Marty the exes is back in the house. He's living
Speaker 1: in in the spare bedroom, looking to wake his way
Speaker 1: back to the regular bedroom. But on but in his
Speaker 1: now capacity is in term GM. He struck a deal
Speaker 1: Thursday with uh contract year guard Trey Turner um and
Speaker 1: it's a four year deal worth forty five million with
Speaker 1: twenty and a half million guaranteed. According to rap Sheet,
Speaker 1: that is very good money. Your thoughts on this, Mark
Speaker 1: se So you wrote it up on NFL dot com.
Speaker 1: I did with conra Or on vacation and Kevin patra
Speaker 1: leaving early for a bachelor party. The heat has been
Speaker 1: put on the newswriters who have been not had that
Speaker 1: kind of workout in a while. So Jeremy Bergman picking
Speaker 1: up the slack early. This Bergman doing Bergman doing a
Speaker 1: great job. I mean, this is this was one of
Speaker 1: Gettleman's many, you know, head contract headaches to try to
Speaker 1: figure out this wasn't you have to resign This guy's
Speaker 1: a two time pro bowler, young player. They also have
Speaker 1: another guard, Andrew Norwell, that they've got that whose contract
Speaker 1: runs out at the end of the year. And it's
Speaker 1: now now it's your deal, Hernie, you deal with it.
Speaker 1: Why were the Panthers in cap hell when Marty Hernie
Speaker 1: was fired and Dave Gettleman a rod because Hernie paid
Speaker 1: solid starters as as the best players at their position.
Speaker 1: Trey Turner is getting paid like one of the best
Speaker 1: guards in the NFL. He's a he's a very solid starter.
Speaker 1: But do you have to pay all of your starters
Speaker 1: better than any other players at those positions? I mean,
Speaker 1: is Hernie just like dancing around the building like I'm back,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put big checks out. It's like it's less
Speaker 1: than running with the team. Everyone's just gonna get bad.
Speaker 1: Trade Turners at least young and is a good starter,
Speaker 1: So that you know it, it makes some sense to
Speaker 1: me all the panic though about Gettleman. This is Gettleman's team.
Speaker 1: I mean he put together he took some chances on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, uh in terms of his left tackle
Speaker 1: signing with Khalil, and like the offensive line was really
Speaker 1: the key to them falling apart. Let's year, Like this
Speaker 1: is his team. There's not really much for Hernie to
Speaker 1: do other than hand out some money right now. But
Speaker 1: like the two thousand seventeen Panthers, what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is, like that's the team Gettleman built, and it
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. I think Hernie's doing a lot of
Speaker 1: work in addition to getting the deal done with Turner,
Speaker 1: the team announced. Is this just like timing thing or
Speaker 1: this guy get into office and immediately was like, I
Speaker 1: must do everything. Yeah, I think it's like, let's sign
Speaker 1: fourteen bills in the first twenty four hours type of
Speaker 1: president move. The team on Thursday announced the release of
Speaker 1: veteran offensive tackle uh Michael Or, a failed physical designation
Speaker 1: frees up so money under the cap. Or missed most
Speaker 1: of last season. He suffered a concussion in Week three.
Speaker 1: He tweeted out and this is kind of uh frightening
Speaker 1: tweet from Or. The brain is a scary thing you have.
Speaker 1: You have to be careful with it. Uh So this
Speaker 1: could mean the end for the blind Side star, a
Speaker 1: guy who, if not for that movie, would just be
Speaker 1: you know, another tackle that we probably didn't talk about
Speaker 1: that much, but he will go down kind of in
Speaker 1: history because of that, because of that movie. Like it's
Speaker 1: it really sounds like a guy that's made that much money,
Speaker 1: and he's made a good amount of money in his career,
Speaker 1: would you would think would just retire because he's had
Speaker 1: concussion problems for what nine months? Now? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a long I mean, but it's still happening now.
Speaker 1: He's still talking about seeing lots of doctors. He's taking
Speaker 1: tons of medicine. He sent these things. He sent these
Speaker 1: out on Instagram, and I can't imagine he's gonna want
Speaker 1: to play again. Yeah, and to that, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: This isn't something that Hernie cooked up out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I think that Ron Rivera said months ago that they
Speaker 1: kind of had a plan for or Moving on, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Arizona Cardinals and coach Bruce Arians, who
Speaker 1: has a quarterback in Carson Palmer, who obviously struggled UM
Speaker 1: for much of the beginning of last season before turning
Speaker 1: it on in the back half of the season looking
Speaker 1: a lot more like the guy who almost won the
Speaker 1: m v P in two thousand and fifteen. Anyway, Arians
Speaker 1: was on The Rich Eyes and Show last week, and
Speaker 1: this is what he had to say about Palmer, who
Speaker 1: offering an explanation why the quarterback might have struggled UH
Speaker 1: in the early going last year. He's one of the
Speaker 1: hardest working dudes I've ever been around side. You know,
Speaker 1: we have to really pull the reins back on him.
Speaker 1: He'll overwork all the time. Last year, he kind of
Speaker 1: came in in September had already Warner's arm out by
Speaker 1: overthrowing all summer and we found a nice regiment. November December,
Speaker 1: he was playing as good as he's ever played. Uh,
Speaker 1: Chris Wrestling, Um, do you buy into this or is
Speaker 1: it more just kind of an excuse that the coach
Speaker 1: is making for his veteran quarterbacks. Do buy into it?
Speaker 1: And and this isn't really the first time. Mark wrote
Speaker 1: an article earlier this offseason where Carson Palmer was talking
Speaker 1: about how his arm felt fresher this year because he
Speaker 1: took March and April off of throwing. I think that
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons last year when we we
Speaker 1: watched Carson Palmer in September and October and said he
Speaker 1: doesn't look like the same quarterback this year. Part of
Speaker 1: the reason was because John Brown was injured, Michael Floyd
Speaker 1: was dropping every pass throwing to him, the offensive line
Speaker 1: wasn't protecting him. That was part of the reason. But
Speaker 1: I think physically Carson Palmer wasn't right last year. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season, Palmer and said he, you know,
Speaker 1: admitted that he spent the last eight or nine years
Speaker 1: of his career acting like he was twenty four or
Speaker 1: twenty six and not adjusting that that arm workout schedule.
Speaker 1: I only wonder what his career. His career has been fine,
Speaker 1: but what what would be for Carson Palmer if he
Speaker 1: had actually installed this a little earlier in terms of
Speaker 1: his off season regiments. Certainly didn't hurt him in two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, right, or if he had found Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: earlier in the book. In the Arians book, which I
Speaker 1: recommend was really good. The quarterback whisper, he he talked
Speaker 1: about this same thing of making mistakes with having Palmer.
Speaker 1: He also pointed out he was putting together his perfect
Speaker 1: quarterback among basically all the quarterbacks he had ever coached.
Speaker 1: And you know he's coached Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: Kelly Holcomb, Kelly, he loves Kelly Holkim Kelly Holcomb in
Speaker 1: the mix Ben Roethlisberger of course, and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: the perfect arm is Carson Palmer. So even compared to
Speaker 1: those other guys, he said, the perfect arm is Carson Palmer.
Speaker 1: That's the best arm guy he's ever coached. But yeah,
Speaker 1: to draw a parallel to our softball team, maybe the
Speaker 1: issue with having an old quarterback is you get to
Speaker 1: a point where everything has to be perfectly in place
Speaker 1: for the guy to be the guy you need him
Speaker 1: to be. Just like a softball team, you take out
Speaker 1: one piece and we fall to hell. So the whole
Speaker 1: team is a quarterback in this sure, But the point
Speaker 1: being that Carson Palmer, he's gotta be throwing correctly. You
Speaker 1: need to get the protection. He's gotta watch out for
Speaker 1: his knees. He's the things you have to be concerned
Speaker 1: with when your quarterbacks. Almost forty. Absolutely, but he played
Speaker 1: great down the stretch. We we talked about that on
Speaker 1: this podcast. He was absolver a top ten quarterback for
Speaker 1: the last two months. I know they didn't have a
Speaker 1: great season, but he was here and that's when he
Speaker 1: started taking the time off during the week. So it's
Speaker 1: I think it does work. Where did you finish in
Speaker 1: your QB in next last year? I think he was
Speaker 1: in the twelve to fifteen range. By the end of
Speaker 1: the scene, it was about thirteen. But for the second
Speaker 1: half of the season he would he would have been
Speaker 1: like seven, eight nine. One little bit of Arizona news,
Speaker 1: the team re signed veteran running back Chris Johnson to
Speaker 1: a one year deal, the team announced Thursday. Johnson is
Speaker 1: at the turn thirty two in September. No longer the
Speaker 1: home run thready once was, but he had found a
Speaker 1: little bit of a niche there in Arizona. He just
Speaker 1: has to stay healthy. They've spent the off season talking
Speaker 1: up Kerwin Williams too, and they moved Andre Ellington back
Speaker 1: to running back. I don't think it's it's a given
Speaker 1: that Chris Johnson is the is the primary backup to
Speaker 1: David Johnson, and there aren't gonna be many caries behind
Speaker 1: David Johnson anyway. Are they concerned about his durability after
Speaker 1: what happened last season? And he played well the year
Speaker 1: before in Arizona, but that ended with his health issue too,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so. That's probably why he waited until
Speaker 1: late July to sign. The thing. The interesting thing about
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson is he's hanging on to reach ten thousand
Speaker 1: rushing yards. He needs four hundred sixty three this year.
Speaker 1: I would take the under on that. If you're the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: do you call up D'Angelo Williams before you make this
Speaker 1: relatively boring move by resigning Johnson, but Daniel Williams anymore.
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Williams actually, when you filled in for lev On Bell,
Speaker 1: looked fine, looked great. I agree, d'angela. Williams looked like
Speaker 1: a guy that should Still didn't the Steelers sign him? Right?
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson looked pretty good early last season
Speaker 1: when he was getting carrious. He had some moments he
Speaker 1: he was running tough in Arizona. Moving on. Meanwhile, on
Speaker 1: the throne of ease, um C s n n E
Speaker 1: dot com uh spoke to a anonymous a f C
Speaker 1: scout asking, Hey, why is Jimmy Garoppolo still on the Patriots?
Speaker 1: Which is their question. It's a very it's kind of
Speaker 1: a it's it's a sneaky, like, very fascinating subplot in
Speaker 1: the NFL when they could have gotten so much value
Speaker 1: for the young man by now. Anyway, here's what the
Speaker 1: scout had to say. He's Bill Belichick. He doesn't give
Speaker 1: a blank what do you think that is? F Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's an F I think it's an mm
Speaker 1: hmm okay. He doesn't give an s about what you,
Speaker 1: or me or anyone else thinks. I know teams called
Speaker 1: about Garoppolo. I don't believe they were ever given a
Speaker 1: realistic price. Why. To me, the answer is simple, Bill
Speaker 1: thinks he's got the next great one. I watched his snaps.
Speaker 1: I think he could be that. Garoppolo is a great
Speaker 1: base and his mechanics are close enough to Brady that
Speaker 1: you appreciate his willingness to learn and the coaching he's
Speaker 1: gotten there. Mark Well, I love it. Why did the
Speaker 1: scout turn increasingly effeminate as the quote went on. That's
Speaker 1: not how I was reading it. I was just reading
Speaker 1: glowing over Bill and uh and the quarterbacks. I I
Speaker 1: love how this turned into an article. I saw the
Speaker 1: headline from NFL to Colm, would the Browns have made
Speaker 1: the playoffs with Garoppolo? It's like, well, look, this is
Speaker 1: the kind of you know, turn of events, good fortune
Speaker 1: that got them from number one to number two in
Speaker 1: the pain rankings. You don't land the quarterback that you
Speaker 1: should have. And I think you're okay with that, by
Speaker 1: the way, or is there any I mean, I know
Speaker 1: there's no issues between X. I don't agree with with
Speaker 1: your ranking, but it's not my my piece and Red
Speaker 1: will I will say this, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what the Browns have to do with this at all.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's good self scouting by
Speaker 1: the Patriots to not give up if this is, if
Speaker 1: he's this good and they believe it, you don't give
Speaker 1: him up for nearly anything. But what is what is
Speaker 1: the Patriots plan? Honestly, what's the plan? I don't think
Speaker 1: they have one. I think they do. I think they
Speaker 1: have a plan. The plan is why not keep a
Speaker 1: guy who doubles as Tom Brady insurance the best backup
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. And then also we can franchise
Speaker 1: him next year and either trade him or keep him
Speaker 1: depending on what play is out in the two thousand
Speaker 1: six season. And if you keep him, then what you
Speaker 1: keep Brady and Garoppolo. Brady makes a lot less money
Speaker 1: than he should be making, and the salary cap is booming.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's your deals for certain players is like
Speaker 1: a trend. I know Brady's get making making an affordable
Speaker 1: salary for the salary cap, but that's you would be
Speaker 1: tying up like forty million dollars a year. I think
Speaker 1: the plan is wait and see, Like that's a legitimate
Speaker 1: plan that that you see where you're at at the
Speaker 1: end of the year. You see what kind of contract
Speaker 1: if they're really going to get serious about it, which
Speaker 1: they weren't this year because they knew they had of undercutter.
Speaker 1: What sort of creative contract could they get Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: to sign where there's certain incentives, certain guarantees. If he plays,
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, he can get out of it. Maybe
Speaker 1: after one year. If he doesn't get like, who knows,
Speaker 1: they can figure it out. I truly think that the
Speaker 1: Earth like spun on one of its access is where
Speaker 1: a whole different reality happened. Where I was up in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, early in the offseason when
Speaker 1: Jimmy g filed this Instagram post thanking Boston and thanking England,
Speaker 1: and I like retweeted it, and I was I was like,
Speaker 1: everything's finally happening, that everything is happening. And then slowly,
Speaker 1: over the course of two hours, it became completely fraudulent,
Speaker 1: and he had no idea who got into his Instagram account,
Speaker 1: and it was a complete myth. Spend the time I
Speaker 1: woke up. Speaking of alternate reality, I had a dream
Speaker 1: last night. This is true, that that the Patriots were
Speaker 1: up by ten at I was living in the house
Speaker 1: I grew up and with my wife strangely, and the
Speaker 1: Patriots were up at halftime against Japan. They were facing
Speaker 1: the country of Japan, and then my parents football. Dad
Speaker 1: was too excited. I was like, they could still blow
Speaker 1: the lead. It's the game's not over yet. And that
Speaker 1: was it. This is like you, this is you, like
Speaker 1: twenty two years from now. And so you could put
Speaker 1: literally the entire Japanese population on the field and the
Speaker 1: Patriots and still defeat them. But to put a bow
Speaker 1: tie in this Garoppolo thing, rap Sheet reported a few
Speaker 1: months A bow tie A bow It's gonna say that.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of it being a little tiny
Speaker 1: person like, uh, it's like little high the Jones or something. Yes,
Speaker 1: Paul Simon, the old senator from Minnesota presidential Canada, didn't
Speaker 1: he wear bow ties? I think you're writing anyway, rap
Speaker 1: Sheet reporter a few months ago that the Patriots do
Speaker 1: indeed see Garoppolo as a franchise quarterback. And if you
Speaker 1: read Belichick's comments from last year when he said it's
Speaker 1: a seamless transition when Garoppolo is under center in practice,
Speaker 1: from Brady to Garoppolo, that's about his high praise as
Speaker 1: Belichick gives his own players. They have a seamless traditions transition.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious that that they view Garoppolo
Speaker 1: as special. Um, everybody's got a condown with the bow ties,
Speaker 1: by the way, a little bit who's not calm with it.
Speaker 1: I don't see them around you. Now they pop up.
Speaker 1: Now it's in style. Well let's say, yeah, give me
Speaker 1: a give me a tie any any day of the week,
Speaker 1: all seven days, give me the tie. There was a
Speaker 1: period in our office where there was someone that floated
Speaker 1: around in a bow tie, like a lower level news
Speaker 1: from type person. Would would you go bow tie once
Speaker 1: in a while? Yeah? Names this was ages ago. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's still you're thinking, I know exactly who you're talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm even referencing a second person, you know
Speaker 1: who wears a boats I sometimes Marcus Grant over at
Speaker 1: the fantasy side, So maybe you should Is that who
Speaker 1: you're referring to, because I'm referring to someone who's very
Speaker 1: clearly on the East Coast. I did not even say
Speaker 1: whether whether or not I like that fashion trend. We
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would never wear one, But it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that other people can't look good in it. Zessla
Speaker 1: backpedaling quickly. Occasionally I was referencing someone who's on the
Speaker 1: East Coast. I don't think anyone in this room should
Speaker 1: be should be commenting on other people's sartorial choices. UM,
Speaker 1: maybe you're right about that. Let's do, you know, let's
Speaker 1: do some odds and ends? Why not ends? Everybody loves
Speaker 1: like the Gothic interpretation? What the hell was that? A's
Speaker 1: and ends? Is a light tune? Suddenly it sounds like
Speaker 1: nine inch Nails does have a little of a ni
Speaker 1: nd vibe to it. I don't know, no Colleen here,
Speaker 1: I just thought maybe after the seventeen two loss, just
Speaker 1: to darken it up a little bit, pull the curtains,
Speaker 1: pull the curtains in, switch the lights off, lay in
Speaker 1: bed till three pm. Touched the choice? Uh, odds and ends?
Speaker 1: Here we go. Dante Fowler arrested on two misdemeanor charges
Speaker 1: the Jaguars pass rusher twenty two years old. UM. According
Speaker 1: to police reports, Fowler was seen punching a man after
Speaker 1: a brief verbal confrontation. He then stepped on the man's glasses.
Speaker 1: That's some bully stuff, breaking a lens, according to the report. UM. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he posted a six fifty dollar bond. We'll see what
Speaker 1: this means, both in terms of any legal action in
Speaker 1: terms of court dates and also whether the NFL acts
Speaker 1: on it. Jack the Jaguars, why do you make it
Speaker 1: so hard for us to love you? Come on? If
Speaker 1: you look at the rohdor world posts, there's a few
Speaker 1: interesting ones. One that the post immediate lea before this
Speaker 1: incident was defensive coordinator Dante Fowler has matured a lot. Yea,
Speaker 1: here's a todd wash And then a little bit afterwards
Speaker 1: was that he has ten This is only traffic, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal, but how do you get yes,
Speaker 1: ten traffic tickets in the last sixteen months. I just figured,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not judging him. That's just hard
Speaker 1: to do to get to, Like, how do you get
Speaker 1: ten in fourteen months? I think there were odd There
Speaker 1: were whispers coming out from people that know the team
Speaker 1: and cover the team that this is a guy taking
Speaker 1: third in the draft And if you didn't know Mike
Speaker 1: Williams had a back issue, they did not know a
Speaker 1: lot about Dante Fowler, apparently because he has been I
Speaker 1: think an issue inside the building in terms of his maturity.
Speaker 1: So maybe that was a pointed common trying to get
Speaker 1: him in that right direction. But there are all there
Speaker 1: are other arrests attached to this guy too. That's a
Speaker 1: red flag. I mean, if you have kids and you
Speaker 1: live in his neighborhood, it's like he doesn't care. He's
Speaker 1: just he's going a hundred and funny every time. Just
Speaker 1: have to say to get ten. That means you are speeding.
Speaker 1: Every single time you are in a car, you are
Speaker 1: double the speed them, because it's pretty hard to get
Speaker 1: a traffic to dante foul or a threat to your children,
Speaker 1: says Greg rosent Um. Just a reminder everyone, this is odds.
Speaker 1: It ends. We want to yeah us a little bit.
Speaker 1: But just you mentioned the car. Greg, do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about your car experience at all? Because I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated right what? Greg bought a new car. He did
Speaker 1: the entire negotiation via email. Yeah. I just didn't even
Speaker 1: know the thing that you could do. I didn't either.
Speaker 1: I decided I was going to try it out. I've
Speaker 1: had such bad experiences going to car places, feeling like
Speaker 1: they're boning you. They'd keep you there for eight hours,
Speaker 1: then you just exasperate. I'm like, I'm not going into
Speaker 1: this place until I work this thing. Out and it's
Speaker 1: much easier to know what to say and be a
Speaker 1: little more of a jerk maybe and do it all
Speaker 1: over email. So we went in there once to just
Speaker 1: kind of look at it, but then you know, had
Speaker 1: his email address on it and it was all good.
Speaker 1: Other other fun facts associated with this purchase. Um, I
Speaker 1: mean I got this car, you know, let's for like
Speaker 1: less than the price I even asked. You got for
Speaker 1: a good value? Think think is this a red flag
Speaker 1: to a couple of things. The car was under factory
Speaker 1: recall for over him number two. Greg comes in on email,
Speaker 1: as we talked about, with an offer, and then the
Speaker 1: guy comes back and offers less than what Greg's offer. Well,
Speaker 1: you think it's possible they're desperately trying to unload this
Speaker 1: death machine. Well that was after a long build up,
Speaker 1: you know, to that last email, and then I hit
Speaker 1: him with the hammer, which was that look and you
Speaker 1: know this recall, you know I mentioned like the recall
Speaker 1: no one, no one wants his car right now, and
Speaker 1: then I was saying I can get it for this price.
Speaker 1: At the other you know, we got the toasted marshmallow
Speaker 1: color over at another place. I just prefer years because
Speaker 1: it's closer. And then they came back. This is a
Speaker 1: car that you purchased for your wife and children. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I asked Greg, if you pop the chunk the check,
Speaker 1: if they gave you two body bags as well in
Speaker 1: the machine? Anyway? Um, all right, odds and ends quick here.
Speaker 1: Pac Man Jones suspended one game for violating the league's
Speaker 1: Personal Conduct Policy, pled guilty to a second degree misdemeanor
Speaker 1: and may stemming from an early January incident um in
Speaker 1: a Cincinnati hotel. I wonder if he has set the
Speaker 1: record in terms of the time between his first NFL
Speaker 1: suspension and his last NFL I was gonna say it
Speaker 1: feels like a story from two. I think it's about
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen years now. That's a pretty big gap. He's
Speaker 1: almost thirty four years old. He's kind of uni very
Speaker 1: much a bad boy. Um. There used to be someone
Speaker 1: when I worked at Walgreen's in Pearl River in my
Speaker 1: teenage years. I used to be in charge of changing
Speaker 1: the sign out front or you had to have like
Speaker 1: a big pole with a suction cup and be like
Speaker 1: twelve degrees out And I'm like saying, you know, toilet
Speaker 1: paper on sale and have to spell it out and
Speaker 1: get it correct. Anyway, there was a guy that worked
Speaker 1: next door at the shop right the supermarket. Um, he
Speaker 1: worked in the butcher's department, and he was like an upperclassman.
Speaker 1: He's like a senior and he drove like a green
Speaker 1: Camaro and he always parked it diagonal in the parking
Speaker 1: lot to take up two spots and no one could
Speaker 1: park close to his car, which it was always a
Speaker 1: douche move. Uh. And then he had a big sticker
Speaker 1: on the back windshield and it was like I don't
Speaker 1: know remember when, like it was like the Calvin and
Speaker 1: Hobbs and then you two people have like Calvin peeing
Speaker 1: on Hobbs or some peeing on a Chevrolet or for
Speaker 1: depending on your affiliation. So that's something like that. And
Speaker 1: then the message was badass boys drive badass toys. Well,
Speaker 1: well that's he was over compensation. That's on Greg's car
Speaker 1: as well. By the way, Chevy Bolt, is it Chevy
Speaker 1: like that you have that? Would you get that on
Speaker 1: your car? Yeah? No, supermarket employee. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that the bad boys in the supermarket do work in
Speaker 1: the meat department. They're the butchers. I also worked in
Speaker 1: this in a supermarket. Quite a bizarre first employment. Were
Speaker 1: you a badass boy? No? I think my mom dropped
Speaker 1: me off and picked me up and after each shift,
Speaker 1: so I don't think I've qualified. And other legal news.
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson got paroled yesterday. Uh the uh Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Uh and um you know O J. Simpson. Uh.
Speaker 1: He had been in jail for nine years for a
Speaker 1: robbery at a Vegas hotel. Uh. He will be released
Speaker 1: later in the fall. I just want to share one
Speaker 1: quick quote here from O. J. During his parle hearing.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever accused me of pulling any weapon on them.
Speaker 1: I would never ever pull a weapon on anybody. Didn't
Speaker 1: the State of California accused him of pulling a weapon.
Speaker 1: I believe they did, West, I believe they did. Moving on,
Speaker 1: Derek Carr predicts another thirty SAX season for Khalil Mack. Uh.
Speaker 1: He predicted that last year as well, and Mac went
Speaker 1: from fifteen to eleven. So just by going uh the
Speaker 1: same type of process, he'll have seven, then three, and
Speaker 1: then be out of football in three years. Way to go,
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. I mean he was vaguely kidding, I think
Speaker 1: when he made this prediction. But you know, that's a
Speaker 1: very foreboding for UH. And it's great for the you know,
Speaker 1: the rate the Raiders to have two great young stars
Speaker 1: like that. Tremendous, tremendous. There you go. So you're getting UM.
Speaker 1: And finally in odds and ends, the Lions have decided
Speaker 1: to do away with their playoff banners. Did you know
Speaker 1: that the Lions, because the Cults got got a lot
Speaker 1: of heat for this when they had UM a f
Speaker 1: C finalists, which essentially or literally means they went to
Speaker 1: the an FC Championship game and got their ass kicked
Speaker 1: by the Patriots. UM. But the Lions were doing it
Speaker 1: for every time they advanced to the playoffs. So for instance,
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fourteen, UH, when they had a
Speaker 1: one and done UH, they put up a banner. They
Speaker 1: were scheduled to put up a banner for last season
Speaker 1: when they lost twenty six six in the wild card round.
Speaker 1: They have a one hundred million dollar renovation in ford Field,
Speaker 1: and one of the team, Brass, announced we we didn't
Speaker 1: see any point in putting them back up. Probably a
Speaker 1: good take away, bad moved by Brass, because I would say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I liked I like the idea of getting
Speaker 1: rid of them, absolutely, the idea of making an announcement
Speaker 1: about it, because get all this fresh wave of stories
Speaker 1: that remind everyone how awful the Lions have been for
Speaker 1: over half a century in in the defense of this
Speaker 1: um brass. His name is Rod Wood, he's the team president.
Speaker 1: He was giving a tour to media members of the renovation,
Speaker 1: and my guess is that someone might have looked up
Speaker 1: and say, hey, where are the banners, and then he
Speaker 1: revealed it. I think that's how it played out, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: good for good for Wood. That is a franchise in pain,
Speaker 1: a lot of pain. Uh, that's what's happening in the news.
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Speaker 1: favorite game show what more likely. Ah, yes, we need
Speaker 1: to get some applause at the end of that. It's
Speaker 1: good to hear um gold Standard though. Oh yeah, let's
Speaker 1: up to tweeting about soccer. A couple of days ago
Speaker 1: Sean Spicer and soccer or two of his big topics.
Speaker 1: This morning, I've seen um got he's got his uh,
Speaker 1: you know, business that he's running. It's got a whole
Speaker 1: thing going on. We love the gold Standard. He's a
Speaker 1: guy you never have to worry about. Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 1: There's like a little duckling flying away. You know. You
Speaker 1: you believe that they they're in the right position to succeed.
Speaker 1: But of course, as always a part of you, it says, God,
Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. He is the co founder of
Speaker 1: Common Goal, which I believe is a consult We should
Speaker 1: call him up and call sit up one day, get
Speaker 1: an update. You know, I thought you were saying, like
Speaker 1: to set them up. No, just no, no, no, just like,
Speaker 1: get an update on their lives on the podcast. I
Speaker 1: think they'd be a great couple. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: like that idea better. I the update on their lives
Speaker 1: thing is fun. But imagine if we got them together
Speaker 1: things took off a little bit and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden there was a a t N podcast wedding
Speaker 1: of to Mount Rushmore. Producers can ill Siti in l
Speaker 1: a this weekend. By the way, another possibility for that
Speaker 1: is we get Sully and k Rich together. That's chemistry.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of rom coms. That is an
Speaker 1: explosive couple right next, assuming Sully gets our stitcher back
Speaker 1: power the only way to get it back, that would
Speaker 1: be there have been like worst Sarah Jessica Parker rom coms.
Speaker 1: If if we basically had Sully make a move and
Speaker 1: make a play on our ex producer Crystal Tough, but
Speaker 1: it was all about Sully getting close enough to get
Speaker 1: the Stitcher Award back. Yeah, that would be that dark
Speaker 1: end of not not the Matchmaker game show. Let's let's
Speaker 1: keep going back to what end where he'd have to
Speaker 1: she'd find out about this whole plot, but he had
Speaker 1: actually fallen in love with genuinely, and so he has
Speaker 1: got to see I don't care about the Stitcher Award
Speaker 1: and like, we don't get it in the end. So
Speaker 1: there's a sequel Pat Dylan and that Tyler character and
Speaker 1: something about Mary where they're both like up to no good, yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, basically they both fall for each other right
Speaker 1: when she's like head over heels she finds out about
Speaker 1: the Stitcher situation. Maybe saw he's got it sticking out
Speaker 1: of his pocket one day and just happy to and
Speaker 1: then yeah, at the end of the movie they end
Speaker 1: up together though, and we got the Stitcher award back
Speaker 1: that and that's part of it. To anyway, What's more likely?
Speaker 1: It's an either or game. Uh, this is the training
Speaker 1: camp edition of What's more Likely? So we'll go around
Speaker 1: the horn a couple of times here with um two situations.
Speaker 1: We have to choose which one is more likely to happen. Mark,
Speaker 1: get us going, alright, this one has a couple of options,
Speaker 1: not just too, but it's this this before you go on,
Speaker 1: is this going to be more like a quality to Fantasia?
Speaker 1: This is this is a I don't know what the
Speaker 1: difference between those two are at all, but it's this
Speaker 1: is this is pretty like football pure here because it's
Speaker 1: it's something that's on my radar and has been for
Speaker 1: twenty years about the preseason. Every year we get some
Speaker 1: from the Wilderness team that takes the preseason way too
Speaker 1: seriously and goes like four and oh, destroying opponents week
Speaker 1: after week. This invariably creates all sort of tedious win
Speaker 1: from analysts who fall hard for this cipher of a
Speaker 1: team bound to still go like six and ten in
Speaker 1: the regular season. Who's more likely to be that false
Speaker 1: flag operation this August? The Rams, forty Niners, Jaguars or Bills? Okay,
Speaker 1: more likely pure football? That was absolutely that's perfect, Not
Speaker 1: though am I wrong about? I feel like that happens
Speaker 1: every year, Like one of these I'll never field like
Speaker 1: eighty nine, Like the Cults went four and oh, and
Speaker 1: people were predicting him to beat the Niners and the
Speaker 1: Opener and they lost like forty four to ten and
Speaker 1: one like two more games that chip Kelly sam Bradford
Speaker 1: year Eagles was certainly a candidate, infamously the two thousand
Speaker 1: eight lines went four and o in the preseason, her
Speaker 1: own sixteen in the regular season. Okay, so give me
Speaker 1: those teams one more time, The Rams, the forty Niners,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, or the Bills. Well, here I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: the Jags are the most likely. You're saying for people
Speaker 1: to get too excited about the team. Um, because they've
Speaker 1: been teasing the football Gagnas sent for a couple of
Speaker 1: years now, and if they ever had a three and one,
Speaker 1: four and oh preseason and Blake Bortles is playing well,
Speaker 1: people are gonna be saying that this is it, this
Speaker 1: is their division, It's finally coming together. Blake boy. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming Blake Bortles will look good if they have a
Speaker 1: nice preseason, right, He's had some good preseasons before too,
Speaker 1: gets people excited, so um, I would put them above uh,
Speaker 1: the other three teams. I think the Rams are an
Speaker 1: interesting candidate here. A young, eager head coach. Maybe goes
Speaker 1: puts out a little more effort, goes all out, doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't really hold back on the preseason as much. And
Speaker 1: we've seen quarterbacks like Jared Brandon Weeden would have a
Speaker 1: one thirty passer rating in the preseason. It would not
Speaker 1: not surprise me if Jared Goff looks phenomenal against Vanilla defense. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the Rams two just because I can
Speaker 1: imagine they want to build up Goff's confidence, So maybe
Speaker 1: they do as much as they can to really make
Speaker 1: him look good in the preseason, build some excitement, maybe
Speaker 1: sell some tickets make him feel good. The Rams were
Speaker 1: the first team that came to mind. I also think
Speaker 1: the Niners, because the Niners they I don't think the
Speaker 1: Shanahan He's he's not a naive, He's he's been around
Speaker 1: the block. He's not gonna intentionally try to win preseason
Speaker 1: games necessarily, but they could look very polished and people
Speaker 1: could say maybe the Niners team is ready to take
Speaker 1: a jump. You know, Hoyer and Shanahan have worked well
Speaker 1: together before blow blah blah, and then you know, Bang
Speaker 1: four and twelve. I used to really get a kick
Speaker 1: out of how seriously Rex Ryan took the Snoopy Bowl.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jets, John's game had actually ruined Mark Sanchezs career.
Speaker 1: That's how much Rex Ryan cared about winning the Snooper Bowl.
Speaker 1: But West Europe, he'd be going to Canton otherwise he
Speaker 1: would have been the starter that year. What's more likely
Speaker 1: to happen and obviously rejuvenated Adrian Peterson operating in a
Speaker 1: high octane offense temps fantasy drafters into gambling a top
Speaker 1: twenty pick on him, or and obviously rejuvenated Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: operating in a rejuvenated Rams offense temps fantasy leaguers to
Speaker 1: use a top twenty pick on him. I'll go Gurley
Speaker 1: for sure, because A I don't think we'll see Peterson
Speaker 1: in August, you know much. So wherever he is at now,
Speaker 1: people are gonna start getting excited and we'll hear some
Speaker 1: good practice reports. But I can see Gurley. We were
Speaker 1: just talking about the Rams having a really nice preseason
Speaker 1: and Runner two. That gets people going because people want
Speaker 1: to believe in Todd Gurley. The only thing is that
Speaker 1: with fantasy, yes, we're around all these like fantasy experts
Speaker 1: and people that take the game so seriously that there
Speaker 1: is buzz around Adrian Peterson, like a huge chunk of
Speaker 1: people that play fantasy that are more casual fans. He's
Speaker 1: been in their lives forever, and they might just say, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Adrian Peterson on this Saints offense. I'll
Speaker 1: go Adrian Peterson. Um. Yeah, the Peterson hype train is
Speaker 1: rolling pretty hard right now. Uh, and they're gonna use
Speaker 1: them sparingly, I think, which will work out in his
Speaker 1: favorable and also for fantasy owners who won't have much
Speaker 1: to work off. I'm gonna go with Peterson. We gotta
Speaker 1: see what's going on with Todd Girl at this point?
Speaker 1: With you, Todd, I don't think he's gonna answer during
Speaker 1: the show. We've gotta find out about Todd Girl is here.
Speaker 1: I like him a little more after All or Nothing.
Speaker 1: You could really feel that he cared about winning about
Speaker 1: as much as anyone on that team, and what what
Speaker 1: had some leadership qualities to him? Hid If you're hit
Speaker 1: hit me up on Twitter if you guys are if
Speaker 1: the listeners are interested in the talking about All or
Speaker 1: Nothing that season, Greg and I had a conversation about it,
Speaker 1: the possibility of talking about that show at some point,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if anybody cares. That's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: If you care, hit me up. Here's another recommendation. If
Speaker 1: you're kind of on the fence about it, just watch
Speaker 1: the last four episodes. Those four episodes rank with me
Speaker 1: of any Hard Knocks season or any other sort of
Speaker 1: folk look into football because it was so unique, but
Speaker 1: you could you could almost miss the entire It's a
Speaker 1: rough it's a rough couple episodes to get into. So
Speaker 1: I will follow your advice. Uh movie on what more
Speaker 1: likely Deshaun Watson starts the third game of the preseason
Speaker 1: or Mitch Drabinsky starts the third game of the preseason. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think it's easily. Deshaun want Tom Savage does not
Speaker 1: seem like a guy who's gonna be hard to beat out.
Speaker 1: If Deshaun Watson shows that he's ready to play, I
Speaker 1: think he could enter the he's a starter. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just can't see a guy with thirteen college starts
Speaker 1: like Mitch Drabinsky beating out Mike Glennon. I don't see
Speaker 1: that as a as any kind of legitimate possibility. I think,
Speaker 1: barring disaster, they've already essentially given Mike Glennon the starting job,
Speaker 1: that we could see Trabinsky. But it would be late
Speaker 1: in the year when the Bears, when the wheels have
Speaker 1: totally fallen off that team, which is very possible. Should
Speaker 1: be stated, the Bears are highly unpredictable entity right now.
Speaker 1: They are. Crazier things have happened, including the Mitch Drabinsky
Speaker 1: trade was a crazier thing that happened, Like the fact
Speaker 1: that they gave up all of that for him is crazier.
Speaker 1: But I would be shocked too, So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson, who would who also you know, we're
Speaker 1: not college experts, but would seem more likely to really
Speaker 1: impress and pick things up quickly in the first few
Speaker 1: weeks of training camp. Greg, all right, what more, what's
Speaker 1: more likely Brandon Albert, left tackle of the Jaguars Tackle Talk,
Speaker 1: gets hut at the end of training camp after being
Speaker 1: a pain all off season. Or Jamal Charles future Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer in my mind, gets cut at the end
Speaker 1: of training camp. Or Carlos Hide as a surprise cut
Speaker 1: heard this one from a little uh a little birdie insider.
Speaker 1: Or brock Osweiler gets cut at the end of training camp. Wow,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of oars. Yeah, I just figured about
Speaker 1: let's throw some names in here, probably kind of left
Speaker 1: out Albert not a lot of scissors. Yeah, you led
Speaker 1: with him too, which I don't know if I'm really
Speaker 1: close enough to the operations of any of these teams
Speaker 1: that hazard and educated guess, but I'll approach it from
Speaker 1: this way. Carlos Hide is the least likely of those
Speaker 1: four to be released. I also think you could not
Speaker 1: the question. I honestly have no idea. Who's more like,
Speaker 1: we don't have any of these answers. I mean, you'd
Speaker 1: have to have. I don't know, never mind go ahead,
Speaker 1: someone else can take. Well, he's passing on. I just
Speaker 1: I can't possibly hazard a guess. I don't know. Scientists
Speaker 1: head haven't happened, like, I don't know what Jamal Charles needs,
Speaker 1: look like I'll go Charles because it would be in
Speaker 1: a circumstance where we want this guy. He doesn't cost
Speaker 1: you're not costing us much money, and he's on a
Speaker 1: one year deal. But he just doesn't look himself that
Speaker 1: if it plays out that way, he would be gone hide.
Speaker 1: And I think you could trade Hide. You could at
Speaker 1: least try to get someone to get to get something
Speaker 1: for him before releasing him. It's hard to trade, but
Speaker 1: could happen. Brandon, Albert's done. Mix it up here, Hey
Speaker 1: read with Albert. I'm gonna I'm gonna say Albert's done.
Speaker 1: He's a big painting the key star as they say,
Speaker 1: no one going with with Brock. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like all that talk about because not even make the
Speaker 1: team down though, because you said you put in so
Speaker 1: many oars everyone forgot about. You're stepping on a potential
Speaker 1: what's more likely down the line now involving that very
Speaker 1: gentleman would you mind if we could just know it's
Speaker 1: just pause, just dig in a little, let's hit pause,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna come back to brock Osweiler. All right, Mark,
Speaker 1: I will try another one. We're sorry that didn't work
Speaker 1: out that one. You seem to be hurt that I
Speaker 1: found it thought providing. I thought it was fine. I
Speaker 1: had to think about of those four options might answer.
Speaker 1: I liked it, Wes hated it, but I just I
Speaker 1: had a hard time coming up with a strong opinion
Speaker 1: on it. I feel very strongly that Jamal Charles is
Speaker 1: done in Denver. I don't alright, So here we go.
Speaker 1: What's more likely, for the first time in history, we
Speaker 1: are in total lockstep with regards to the team of
Speaker 1: a t L by the end of the preseason and
Speaker 1: do something incredibly balls ish and pick that team and
Speaker 1: don't look back before week one Z. I wrote ball
Speaker 1: z and then I just switched to balls ish and
Speaker 1: I capitalized ish, so I wouldn't say it put a
Speaker 1: little boat tie on that or Rookie Deshaun Watson becomes
Speaker 1: the unquestioned starter for Will O'Brien's Texans. When Black Ops
Speaker 1: government agents rushed to the scene in Houston after quarterback
Speaker 1: Tom Savage suddenly freeze us up during a training camp
Speaker 1: practice as smoke pours from a malfunctioning robotic left eye
Speaker 1: on savages synthetic melting face. Teammates stand in shock. It's
Speaker 1: the Guve agents wrap Savage in a fiberglass body bag
Speaker 1: and Carter's body away to a secret cave system twenty
Speaker 1: five miles east of Austin, m That sounds unlikely, but
Speaker 1: I think the top one is even more unlikely. Can
Speaker 1: I say? I really feel strongly and we'll get into
Speaker 1: the team of a til nominations next month. I feel
Speaker 1: really strongly about us picking up before the season this year.
Speaker 1: I do feel like we're more in lockstep previous years.
Speaker 1: I do too, Dan, because I like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of teams I like, and uh, I think we can
Speaker 1: get it done, and I just like the idea of
Speaker 1: it if we need to change it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of picking a horse. I've never
Speaker 1: We've never had this many Tom Savage references on the
Speaker 1: podcast without the Tom Savage Well in this case though,
Speaker 1: that that drop would be done forever because it would
Speaker 1: be proven in fact, he's not really real he's a cyborgan.
Speaker 1: He's really fake. Yeah, I think he's a creation. Well
Speaker 1: that's a that's a larger question, Greg, because the cyborg
Speaker 1: is a mixture of human and synthetic parts. So was
Speaker 1: he built in gil Brand's basement. Well, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: It's some mysteries. Yeah, I think the Savage parts more
Speaker 1: likely to answer the question because this I'm not really
Speaker 1: into conspiracies, but this is one that, look, frankly, we
Speaker 1: were all over a long time ago. Is this guy
Speaker 1: It's something strange about this guy, Tom Savage talking about
Speaker 1: putting a bow tie on something. That would be the
Speaker 1: end of that. This whole narrative decisively. I think James
Speaker 1: Cameron definitely in a Terminator too. He had have a
Speaker 1: take on Tom Savage because, if you remember, Arnold's character
Speaker 1: definitely forms a bond with the young John Connor. Absolutely
Speaker 1: does he cry at the end of There's some humanity shown.
Speaker 1: So is is the Terminator real? Lin't know? Moving on,
Speaker 1: what's more likely Andrew Luck plays in three preseason games
Speaker 1: or Marty Hernie signs six players to contract excess. You
Speaker 1: have to make that number awfully high. But I guess
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Hernie, because I can't imagine Luck playing
Speaker 1: three preseason games and her and he's already got one done.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do Thomas Davis, He's got Greg Olsen. He'll
Speaker 1: probably sign like the janitor to a couple of year deals.
Speaker 1: You know. He's just like it would be larger type extensions,
Speaker 1: like yeah, all the Panthers players like, oh, we love it,
Speaker 1: Old Uncle Marty's back, because he's just walking through the
Speaker 1: hallway with a huge bag of cash, like Oprah, you get,
Speaker 1: you get a contractor extension, you get a contract extension exactly.
Speaker 1: I think, Um, why why wouldn't Luck play three? Let's
Speaker 1: do the map. Let's do the map. Okay, the Coults
Speaker 1: start their preseason on August thirteen. Today is July one,
Speaker 1: so that is approximately three and a half weeks. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna play week four of the preseason, so he
Speaker 1: has to so he has to be there for week
Speaker 1: one for this to work, which means Andrew Luck's not
Speaker 1: playing a live football game in three and a half weeks.
Speaker 1: It's not even throwing, right, we don't know. I think
Speaker 1: we've seen in week two and three based on the
Speaker 1: information we have. If I had to put an over
Speaker 1: under on it. You know that's not allowed in these parts.
Speaker 1: I would say one is my over under for Andrew
Speaker 1: luck Starts. All right, fair enough, but who knows? This
Speaker 1: is another one where I think you're right that in
Speaker 1: order to make it the preseason week one he would
Speaker 1: be throwing by now. Um, yeah, there's a chance you
Speaker 1: can set it at like half. He might not. We
Speaker 1: might not see Andrew Luck And then you wonder if
Speaker 1: that's the case. Is there anyway starts? Is he a
Speaker 1: pup candidate? Another major subplot to watch, Mark seil okay,
Speaker 1: I we'll track it. Let's move on. What more? All right,
Speaker 1: this is a depressing one, but it's for the fans
Speaker 1: of the losing franchises in this room. Josh McCown breaks
Speaker 1: camp as the Jets week one starter or Brock Oswayler
Speaker 1: breaks camp as the Browns week one starter. What's more likely? Account?
Speaker 1: By far? I think it Oswalder is more likely to
Speaker 1: get released in start week one. There's just been no
Speaker 1: buzz about Oswidler at all. I thought there was from Owlder, well,
Speaker 1: from our from our neck. Otherwood's actually for me and
Speaker 1: our NFL network insiders, that's been like three months, hasn't it.
Speaker 1: I just think that if anyone is going to start
Speaker 1: for Cleveland, it wasn't if they I think that Cody
Speaker 1: Kessler's in theory or safe pick, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means, but Kaiser would have a chance if he
Speaker 1: played well to jump in there. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: think Oswalder right now is number three, and that where
Speaker 1: when it comes to m account if you don't if
Speaker 1: McCown looks competent and he is a competent quarterback and
Speaker 1: the other two Jets quarterbacks do not, and there's any
Speaker 1: scenario that they don't put Josh McCown out there for
Speaker 1: Week one, they have that coaching staff is going to
Speaker 1: have so many questions to answer. It's going to be
Speaker 1: awful by the end of September for them. But we
Speaker 1: all agree that they're this season. Yes, I think we
Speaker 1: all agree that, But the Jets coaches can't show that
Speaker 1: like before Week one that they put Christian Hackenburg in.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't I think you. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's too openly fraudulent. At that point
Speaker 1: you have to roll with with account for the start
Speaker 1: of the year. They gave him a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I think when I'm not a much I'm not an
Speaker 1: account believer at this stage, but I think when it's
Speaker 1: real football starts, he'll just be better than Christin Hackenberg.
Speaker 1: When there's real pass rush in preseason, He's not gonna
Speaker 1: be great, but they'll just be better than Christin Hackenberg.
Speaker 1: And last four, maybe the last four. Osweiler wrote a
Speaker 1: World updates for the For the record, Hugh Oswelder has
Speaker 1: done a good job. Rock Osweiler says he expects to start.
Speaker 1: Oswalder impressing teammates at Brown's ot as Osweiler working hard
Speaker 1: on his quote fundamental. No see, none of that to
Speaker 1: me adds up to any real juice on Osweidler. You
Speaker 1: want me to give you a preview the next Rodal
Speaker 1: World Alert, Yes, Rock Osweilder released. He'll get some more,
Speaker 1: He'll get some Stephanie. I think, for the record, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna start Week one. I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I think they want him to start for some reason.
Speaker 1: I think they're they believe in him. Well, why do
Speaker 1: you think about why do you think it that more
Speaker 1: than other players on other quarterbacks on the team. I don't.
Speaker 1: I've just not heard that. I feel like there's been
Speaker 1: some buzz around him. I think you want him to start.
Speaker 1: I would like that should be a Rodo world blur.
Speaker 1: I got you know, the RG three starting for the
Speaker 1: Browns was kind of peak. Uh like miserable veterans starting
Speaker 1: for the Browns. Nothing and we'll really top that. So
Speaker 1: I don't have a real pretty close Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: looking forward to this. You're wishing misery upon him? No,
Speaker 1: just get him out of the way. You know he'll
Speaker 1: move out quickly, just like Josh McCown. But I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see You don't think, am I the only
Speaker 1: one thing is gonna start games this year? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna start some games. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would be No. Well, they had six players play
Speaker 1: quarterback last year, so it's not out of the realm
Speaker 1: of possible at all. He could definitely start makes the team.
Speaker 1: I kind of expect. I feel like he'll either get
Speaker 1: released before it even starts in or he'll end up
Speaker 1: starting a couple of games. At some point. They'll have
Speaker 1: three different players start a quarterback. Why would you keep
Speaker 1: brockcosts players? Your number three quarterback. Can I tell you
Speaker 1: why sixteen million dollars? You're right? I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. See a lot of teams of
Speaker 1: playoffs last year. You didn't lead damn anything. Alright, Greg,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna interrupt this game for a little
Speaker 1: breaking news. Oh yeah, The NFL Players Association recently fired
Speaker 1: filed to the NFL that Ezekiel Elliott and his representatives
Speaker 1: they hope is a final response to their investigation. The
Speaker 1: NFL is wrapping up its investigation of Ezekiel Elliott incidents
Speaker 1: after more than a year. This is from Ian Rappaport
Speaker 1: and Tom PELLISERA. I am about Pelisero getting in there
Speaker 1: with the trouble cider. Uh news. So essentially the news
Speaker 1: is the discipline is coming soon. I guess with that
Speaker 1: in mind, what's more likely, let's just let's just incorporate
Speaker 1: at all. What's more likely Ezekiel Elliott gets suspended one game,
Speaker 1: or Ezekiel Elli gets suspended more games than that, or
Speaker 1: if you want, Ezekiel I gets doesn't get suspended at all.
Speaker 1: Brendan Albert gets suspended conduct detrimental team. Uh, he he'll
Speaker 1: probably get a game, right, isn't that what the Schefter
Speaker 1: report was. I'm sure I don't know how this stuff works,
Speaker 1: but the the fact that then he had more a
Speaker 1: bar fight on top of it, and then the speeding
Speaker 1: ticket came out and and all this stuff, I think
Speaker 1: the NFL is just gonna be like, whoa, this guy
Speaker 1: needs a little bit. He needs to get uh an
Speaker 1: official demerit here, just to maybe slow him down. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit him with a one game or which
Speaker 1: is not the end of the world, not great, obviously,
Speaker 1: I'll sign up for one game. I can't predict what
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell is gonna do with suspension. I can predict
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of Zeki Allie and Cowboys.
Speaker 1: As if our network or any other networks need an
Speaker 1: excuse to talk Cowboys, they and the Cardinals are in
Speaker 1: camp a week before everyone else, so it's basically Cowboys
Speaker 1: TV starting Monday, went inside training camp. That's what they like.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go zero games just to be different. I
Speaker 1: have no inside knowledge on this. I thought you were
Speaker 1: going breaking news that an Kuan bold And is visiting
Speaker 1: the Bills. I didn't even know that one. I thought
Speaker 1: you wanted to play for a contender. That'd be a
Speaker 1: nice signing for them. They could use it. They could
Speaker 1: use him if useless signing. For all due respect, but
Speaker 1: I know this for a fact because when I see
Speaker 1: whenever I see an athlete that's born in the same
Speaker 1: year as me, it sticks in my mind. And Kwan
Speaker 1: Bolden was born in nineteen eighty, thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1: Are you going your thirty seven years old? You're getting
Speaker 1: getting beat up for fifteen years in the NFL. You're
Speaker 1: gonna go to Buffalo made a lot of money in
Speaker 1: this liep. I'm not going to tell him that to retire.
Speaker 1: You know the game, they love the game. The type
Speaker 1: of attitude we could use on the shield. Well, right
Speaker 1: about that? Damn right about that, Greig. We could use
Speaker 1: a full few more an Kwan Buldens on the shield.
Speaker 1: In fact, An Kwan you're not you want to play
Speaker 1: it for a contender? This teams in the playoffs Southern California,
Speaker 1: nice weather, free beer. Yeah, we were talking. How about
Speaker 1: Pablo Sandoval, he's looking for work, come on over and
Speaker 1: who loses his spot? Listen, Well, we could cross that
Speaker 1: bridge when we get to veteran minimum contract. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: good game, good what's more likely? Guys? Um foursome? Um,
Speaker 1: we'll sign off for now, but I will say a
Speaker 1: couple of things. Uh, yes we are. The next week
Speaker 1: is our final of two shows per week. So if
Speaker 1: you are a big fan of the podcast, and if
Speaker 1: you are, you are an excellent person, you should know
Speaker 1: that effective. I believe July thirty one it is. Um,
Speaker 1: we will be doing three shows a week straight through
Speaker 1: hell the draft, basically even beyond the draft, did I
Speaker 1: mean we didn't do go to two until June, so
Speaker 1: you know, for a solid ten and a half eleven months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got that. Post super Bowl week or two, we
Speaker 1: might drop it back, but other than that, it's basically on.
Speaker 1: I Oh, I did the Matt, I counted up the weeks.
Speaker 1: I figured it out. You know, you always say we're
Speaker 1: not really halfway through the season at various points. The
Speaker 1: week that the season through the super Bowl is twenty
Speaker 1: eight weeks. Week one starts on Monday, weeks long. That's
Speaker 1: it officially, keep grinding, Cessler. I am prepared this and
Speaker 1: we haven't started for so it starts at on Monday.
Speaker 1: I'm going up on Cowboys camp. Actually on Monday. Oxnard
Speaker 1: Oxnard and training camp. Is is often right, who are
Speaker 1: you reporting for? When you're when you're gonna be up there? Now,
Speaker 1: we've got to be very quiet up in the clearing.
Speaker 1: We have the incredibly rare nfil Networks Greg Rosenthal, Oh,
Speaker 1: scanned it away. I can't believe we've believed that crikey?
Speaker 1: Who said that? Did you do that something? The guy
Speaker 1: who sent it might have beaten it? Is that like
Speaker 1: an F bomb in Australia. No, I think it was
Speaker 1: f crikey. Yeah, there was a word that came before.
Speaker 1: I thought crikey got believed. I like that one. That's
Speaker 1: a good one. We went through them selling and because
Speaker 1: the listeners that and by the way, listeners keep sending them.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of them back in the Sydney
Speaker 1: days of NFL Networks Greg Rosenthal submissions, and then they
Speaker 1: kind of dried up. We went through a bunch of them,
Speaker 1: uh sulely. We did not hold back. We tossed a
Speaker 1: lot of them that you know, I'll be backed about
Speaker 1: half of them, Yeah, we can't. Some are good, some
Speaker 1: are not good. And if you don't hear yours, you
Speaker 1: could probably figure it out. Or you came down so,
Speaker 1: but just keep trying doesn't mean to quit. Unless it
Speaker 1: was really bad, then don't try anymore. But and you'll
Speaker 1: probably know even as you send it off, it's like
Speaker 1: this probably isn't gonna be very good. If you're one
Speaker 1: of those people, just give up. But if you if
Speaker 1: you're a creative person like whoever said that, if other
Speaker 1: people are telling you you're creative, not just if you
Speaker 1: assume yourself that you're creating, let's let's start there. Your
Speaker 1: mom too. If your mom's saying creative, that's good and
Speaker 1: she's supportive. But yeah, right, we're talking about people outside
Speaker 1: your direct support circle that are telling you you're talented.
Speaker 1: Those are the people were looking for so many submissions.
Speaker 1: Do you expect to receive a lecture? Well, just I
Speaker 1: think being honest with the audience is always a prudent course.
Speaker 1: And we will figure we're gonna get to it the
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Speaker 1: a prize. I gotta talk to some shadowy league figures
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Speaker 1: the prize will be. Okay, now let's go stand hands
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