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Speaker 1: with m VP. Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansens and
Speaker 1: I'm joined by room filled with heroes, Mark Seessler, Chris
Speaker 1: Westling and Greg Roseatal. What's up boys? Yeah, Thursday show
Speaker 1: my show of the quote unquote quiet period for the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. It's time to crank starting Monday morning.
Speaker 1: Mark get ready. The quiet period could not be any
Speaker 1: less or any more over than it is right now.
Speaker 1: The lasts have been Matt utterly mad um. Let's focus
Speaker 1: on what really counts though. Tonight in Culver City, California,
Speaker 1: prime time, it is the playoffs semifinals and if we
Speaker 1: advanced the championship game for our softball league and our team,
Speaker 1: the yield and uh, it's been, as we talked about
Speaker 1: last week on the show, an extremely trying season for me,
Speaker 1: Skipper and a very um exciting season for the rook
Speaker 1: I call him Pepper Spray Greg who's given us enthusiast
Speaker 1: a trying season on an even more serious level. For
Speaker 1: Chris Westling playing through the Big Sea, Are you kidding me? Well?
Speaker 1: You did it? You had that little season. I thought
Speaker 1: through that, um, but I thought, you know, with the
Speaker 1: big games tonight, if we advanced, were a double header
Speaker 1: and then we defend the title, hopefully open it up
Speaker 1: to questions, real quick presser. We'll start with you, Mark ahead, Well,
Speaker 1: if you do win this first playoff game and you
Speaker 1: have to play another round another whole game after that,
Speaker 1: are you concerned about the consistency of this team being
Speaker 1: able to do that two games in a row. I'll
Speaker 1: defer to Greg on this one, who's also sitting with
Speaker 1: me at the days. Wow, I'm taking questions now. I
Speaker 1: think that's a team that likes pressure, that's gonna step
Speaker 1: up and you get to a bigger game. I think
Speaker 1: the balls get bigger. Anybody else questions questions? The second question,
Speaker 1: there's no other journalists in the room and aren't on
Speaker 1: the team. I I would ask you this, Dan, if
Speaker 1: this goes well, or if it goes particularly poorly, is
Speaker 1: this the end of your run as manager? It's very possible.
Speaker 1: It's a good question. Thanks for asking. Very possible, Uh,
Speaker 1: that this is the end for me one way or
Speaker 1: the other. If if the effort levels off of people
Speaker 1: show up drunk or late, it could push me off
Speaker 1: the door. If we win and we have two titles
Speaker 1: in two years, then it's the old what else do
Speaker 1: I have to prove? Uh? So there's a lot I
Speaker 1: thought West very uh he put it very well last week,
Speaker 1: where there's a an uneasy mix of people that they
Speaker 1: are just have fun and who cares get drunk, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of pay attention to the game and the people
Speaker 1: that really want to win and and have fun and
Speaker 1: have fun, and that is that has led to uh
Speaker 1: something of a rift um culminating with I don't know
Speaker 1: if cameras caught it. I had an exchange with our
Speaker 1: picture uh late in last week's game that was not
Speaker 1: not pleasant. We worked it out after the game, but
Speaker 1: we worked through it. But it's been a tough year.
Speaker 1: Got time for one more, one more. I've got a statement,
Speaker 1: not a question statement. Chris Weslie also at the days,
Speaker 1: I'm changing something up. I am coaching the basis tonight.
Speaker 1: We won the tournament last year with base running. We
Speaker 1: go first a third on the shield. We do not
Speaker 1: stop at second base. We go first to third. We
Speaker 1: caused the other team to throw the ball around. We
Speaker 1: take extra bases and then we steal the game, and
Speaker 1: he any concerned I'll have a question, any concerned that
Speaker 1: about our team doesn't know the basics of running bases,
Speaker 1: cutting bases, where to run after they get to one place,
Speaker 1: whether they can run when the ball is caught, or
Speaker 1: like when to run. Any concerns about that, there is
Speaker 1: a concern. That's why I'm gonna be right by the
Speaker 1: first base bag telling them, Hey, look, do you see
Speaker 1: how much further the right fielder is from third base?
Speaker 1: In the left fielder. If the ball is at the
Speaker 1: left field, you're gonna stay up at second. If the
Speaker 1: balls hit the right field, you're standing up on third
Speaker 1: base easily. We've we've got a lot going for us.
Speaker 1: You know, team speed isn't the first thing that but
Speaker 1: some people I'm for going to pinch runner tonight. I'm
Speaker 1: going first, a third something, Actually, hang on a second,
Speaker 1: I'm going second. Out of the box. Set rid of
Speaker 1: those fours outs. You if you're if you're a male player,
Speaker 1: you are on second base every time. Fource outs will
Speaker 1: not happen. What about the idea West that in your
Speaker 1: compromise state on some level right now, we want to
Speaker 1: make sure we get two full games out of you
Speaker 1: do we want you going first the third on a
Speaker 1: bouncer up the middle when it might cost us having
Speaker 1: you in the biggest point of the game in the
Speaker 1: final Look, you gotta go hard. There's only one way
Speaker 1: to play when the when the games matter like this,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Save it for August? I'll
Speaker 1: be having surgery. This is why it's hard leadership to
Speaker 1: be a manager, and that's why it's great to have
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley. Absolutely, I have went as an outsider, as
Speaker 1: a deep outsider. I'm coming. I'm coming to both of them.
Speaker 1: Are gonna win the first one for sure, and I
Speaker 1: think you'll win the second. But my biggest concern with
Speaker 1: this team, and it's lingering from last year. You got
Speaker 1: over this issue is a deep alcohol and substance abuse
Speaker 1: UH problems withever with with many of people on the roster.
Speaker 1: I'd say a third of the roster and most of
Speaker 1: them female. It's a team strang a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of females with alcohol substance abuse
Speaker 1: issues on this team. Can we get over that? We
Speaker 1: have no testing methods UH in our league. UM, as
Speaker 1: long as all this happens after the game, will be Okay,
Speaker 1: So I fully expect us to advance out of the
Speaker 1: semifinal round. In fact, I'll be bitterly disappointed if we
Speaker 1: don't do that the finals. Listen to the team that
Speaker 1: we would play in the finals beat us by fifteen
Speaker 1: runs last week, so we got a uphill climb. But
Speaker 1: I don't count out the shield. We didn't last year
Speaker 1: and we hoisted the trophy. This is like we're looking
Speaker 1: for an NFL compares maybe the Barry Switzer Cowboys. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of us going on with those teams, but
Speaker 1: in the end, they were just kind of too talented
Speaker 1: and they put it together because they love the big stage.
Speaker 1: We have a better chance this year. If you remember
Speaker 1: last year on this Avery podcast, I counted us out.
Speaker 1: I said that the number one seed was just flat
Speaker 1: out way better than us any and any given Thursday.
Speaker 1: That's what they say. Um anyway, today's show, I don't know.
Speaker 1: My focus isn't totally with the show. I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: the big game tonight. But we're gonna do our best
Speaker 1: because we're professionals. And uh, we'll talk about what's going
Speaker 1: on across the NFL. Now that many teams, um all
Speaker 1: teams everybody's in camp now right. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: full deck now right. There's still some teams showing I've
Speaker 1: got the camp. Come on, Lions, are you kidding me? Lions?
Speaker 1: You want to hire in the pain rankings? Get to
Speaker 1: camp and show me you give a crap. In fairness,
Speaker 1: there are league rules you can only show up a
Speaker 1: certain amount of days before your first preseason games. So
Speaker 1: the teams that have not shown up, generally are the
Speaker 1: ones that happened to be starting that week one of
Speaker 1: the preseason later. It's a bad look for the Lions,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. It's kind of an extra day
Speaker 1: and it's kind of unfair though. I mean, why the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in the Cardinal get two extra weeks of you know,
Speaker 1: practice with the lines. So I'm fair to play in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game. Another chance for injuries about
Speaker 1: you know, get to get the team together, Maddie Stafford
Speaker 1: and you know some park in Auburn Hills. Just throw
Speaker 1: the ball, do a couple of wins. This is on
Speaker 1: their own time, on their own time, on their own time. Um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some bad news in Baltimore. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Oh boy, it's that time of year
Speaker 1: where we are already. Yeah, I'm not saying they're they're
Speaker 1: already um you know, molten lava down there in the
Speaker 1: underpants area. But we are looking ahead, spinning forward to
Speaker 1: see who could have some hot butt. Greg's least favorite
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcasts already. I mean, I'm not it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not just me that it's the least favorite. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of right minded listeners share my distaste
Speaker 1: for this sound effect and just the phrase hot butts
Speaker 1: with the Z. If that guy was actually being you know, singed,
Speaker 1: I would feel bad. But it's clearly just play acting.
Speaker 1: That's actually not true. That's one of our seven month employees.
Speaker 1: I tried one of our old producers. I said, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to come up and be on the show.
Speaker 1: We we took him to a basement and melted his butt.
Speaker 1: Sounds illegal anyway, It rounds for termination. That's today's show,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're very lucky and excited to have behind
Speaker 1: the Glass moonlighting. She is checks producer at least right now,
Speaker 1: but today she's with us. She is the great Emma
Speaker 1: b what's going on, guys? Thanks for having me back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very good to our pleasure. Right. Just have you
Speaker 1: notice like the fun vibe in here. Everybody's it's football,
Speaker 1: but it's friendship and it's a lot of fun too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely noticed that. Yeah. Emma told me that she
Speaker 1: is going to finally reveal publicly her favorite member of
Speaker 1: the show. I mean, I know privately who it is.
Speaker 1: I agree with her decision, but it's gonna go live
Speaker 1: on the air today. Yeah. I've said it to you
Speaker 1: Mark actually a couple of times. Nice tease, nice tease,
Speaker 1: nice teath. All right, let's do some news. Emma, Hey, heroes,
Speaker 1: hope you don't mind me dropping in on the show.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say I miss you guys, sending
Speaker 1: all the love from Utah. Oh yeah, Dan, let's do
Speaker 1: some news. They're great. One woman out rushmore, Lady. You
Speaker 1: want to see a room fill of heroes is face
Speaker 1: faces glow like little children and getting n ice cream.
Speaker 1: I mean, this room was it's happy to hear that
Speaker 1: sound drop. I don't know where surprised. I didn't know
Speaker 1: it was coming. Yeah, it's great to hear said and
Speaker 1: and uh, everything going well with her? Um, but now
Speaker 1: I don't want to take a straight from that high.
Speaker 1: But we gotta go a little higher. I gotta climb
Speaker 1: the tree scale a few branches. We're heading into the
Speaker 1: Ravens nest. I mean this is the worst news basically
Speaker 1: for the Ravens nest. It's when the quarterbacks start. And
Speaker 1: that's a situation we got here. Joe Flacco, we'll miss
Speaker 1: the first week of bat Moore's camp, preparing to him
Speaker 1: as three to six weeks with it's a disc issue
Speaker 1: in his back. Rap Sheet and Tom pel Sero both reported, Um,
Speaker 1: you look at the timetable there, that's six weeks maximum,
Speaker 1: which would cost him regular season time potentially. Uh. Chris
Speaker 1: Wesling will start with you on this one. Flacco has
Speaker 1: been um with the exception of that a c L injury,
Speaker 1: a very durable quarterback. But the last thing you ever
Speaker 1: want to hear with any professional athlete is back and
Speaker 1: disc and that's something that haunts you. How concern should
Speaker 1: Ravens be slightly? Three to six weeks is a pretty
Speaker 1: wide range. John Harball pretty much downplay d injury. Who
Speaker 1: knows it could only take a week or two before
Speaker 1: he's feeling better. So I think this is a wait
Speaker 1: and c situation. Anytime you have a back injury and
Speaker 1: it's Joe Flacco and your primary backup is Ryan Mallett,
Speaker 1: I think it's very concerning. I mean, they guys like Flacco,
Speaker 1: they do everything they can to stay on the practice field.
Speaker 1: He's about as durable as it comes. So usually when
Speaker 1: they're down playing this, I'm not believing it in general,
Speaker 1: especially at this time of year. And Colin Kaepernick now
Speaker 1: is a name that's floated. You said, Ryan Mallett is
Speaker 1: in line to be the number one quarterback right now,
Speaker 1: which is something that cannot happen in NFL. Uh So, naturally,
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, still free agent, has the ties to a
Speaker 1: Harbor brother when he had his glory days with Jim
Speaker 1: Harbor and San Francisco. John Harbor, the coach coach of
Speaker 1: the Ravens, spoke about the idea of Colin Kaepernick joining
Speaker 1: the Ravens nest. You know, I've known Colin really, you know,
Speaker 1: through my brother for many years, and uh we've talked
Speaker 1: and then got to know him really well when they
Speaker 1: scrimmaged here and he and I've been talking you know,
Speaker 1: throughout the summer a number of times. We've had some
Speaker 1: great conversations on the phone. I mean, it's really been
Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk to him and get to know him.
Speaker 1: And you know, I like history and politics and stuff too,
Speaker 1: so you know, we've had some debates and it's been fun.
Speaker 1: And uh, he's a great guy, and uh, he's a
Speaker 1: guy right now that's uh, that's uh being talked about
Speaker 1: and we'll just we'll just see what happens with that.
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, you know, I'll be speculation right now.
Speaker 1: But but I think he's a really good football player.
Speaker 1: And as I said at the Owners means, I do
Speaker 1: believe he'll be playing in National Football League this year.
Speaker 1: If John Harbor is telling the truth that he believes
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick is a really good football player, he has
Speaker 1: conversations as a good relationship with him, his brother likes him, Mark,
Speaker 1: why shouldn't he be on the Ravens right now? I
Speaker 1: think that this has become the overtly most obvious landing
Speaker 1: spot for Colin Kaepernick. And you have to think the
Speaker 1: way coaches operate is its relationships. It's relationships with players.
Speaker 1: You want to bring someone in at the quarterback position
Speaker 1: that you know that you trust, and there's built in
Speaker 1: trust with the Hardball Brothers and Kaepernick and John Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: I agree what he said also about politics and history,
Speaker 1: that he is the right kind of coach. He's a
Speaker 1: curious guy that I think would look at whatever you
Speaker 1: want to say about Kaepernick's worldview, which I think has
Speaker 1: been overtly slammed, considering he does a ton of charity
Speaker 1: work and he's really he really is an interesting guy,
Speaker 1: not some sort of pariah that John Harbaugh fits with Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: And and also it's a it is a gives you
Speaker 1: a chance to upgrade over Ryan Mallett. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to address that position. This season is over if
Speaker 1: it is to Ryan Mallett, major upgrade over Ryan Mallet
Speaker 1: and who was calling the plays when Colin Kaepernick was
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl. One of Mark Sesso's best friends,
Speaker 1: Greg Roman, who was now on the Ravens coach managing
Speaker 1: the run game. Really, I think this makes a ton
Speaker 1: of sense. If, as Greg said, it's more than the
Speaker 1: than the placuau's injuries, more than the Ravens are letting on.
Speaker 1: You have to get Kaepernick in there. You can't go
Speaker 1: through a season with Ryan Mallo well, and you also
Speaker 1: there's there's a risk of reinjuring it. Yeah. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: he's back on the field in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: but what about when he starts taking hits. The biggest
Speaker 1: somebody shoot that Raven right, get out of here. That
Speaker 1: the biggest Rivera nest in that hardbought talk was that
Speaker 1: he's talked to Kaepernick multiple times this top season. That
Speaker 1: makes me wonder if they've kind of already talked about, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you still haven't found a starting job that that
Speaker 1: you really are looking for. You know, we'll see how
Speaker 1: things are looking like mid to late August. Maybe Kaepernick
Speaker 1: is kind of looking for a starting job. Hey, maybe
Speaker 1: it's something where we're not happy with our quarterbacks. That's
Speaker 1: a signing that could happen down the line. I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting. One of the Ravens reporters pointed out
Speaker 1: Harbor never talks about prospective freed and so the fact
Speaker 1: that he went on and on about Kaepernick, I think
Speaker 1: indicates that he could be a Raven pretty soon. Everybody
Speaker 1: in the studio, Emma behind the glass, all the listeners,
Speaker 1: take a second. Can you picture Colin Kaepernick in a
Speaker 1: Raven's uniform. I can can't you just see it. It
Speaker 1: makes sense. You can picture him on the sideline with
Speaker 1: his incompletion at the end of that Super Bowl helped
Speaker 1: the Ravens win a win a Super Bowl title, So
Speaker 1: he's already beloved inside the building. At least they can do.
Speaker 1: Moving on other Ravens nest news, Kenth Dixon, the running
Speaker 1: back who suffered the meniscus tear. They didn't think it
Speaker 1: was gonna be that bad an issue, but it turns
Speaker 1: out the second second you're running back is expected to
Speaker 1: miss the entire season. He underwent surgery to repair his
Speaker 1: medial meniscus on Tuesday. Rap Sheet reported. Harbor confirmed Wednesday
Speaker 1: that Dixon is is done for the year. West. What
Speaker 1: is this mean for the Ravens depth chart at half back, Well,
Speaker 1: he was set to miss the first four games already
Speaker 1: with the suspension, but he not only was going to
Speaker 1: compliment Terence West, he's also a good receiver, so he's
Speaker 1: insurance for Danny Woodhead. He's probably the most versatile running back,
Speaker 1: and John Harball said earlier this offseason he can be
Speaker 1: one of the top backs in the league. That's the
Speaker 1: kind of potential he had. But he's got to stay
Speaker 1: healthy and last last season. He had a hard time
Speaker 1: staying healthy too. I think you'll see the Ravens at
Speaker 1: some point go get another running back Terence West and
Speaker 1: Dan and Danny Woodhead coming off a tour n A
Speaker 1: c L is not a good backfield. This has been
Speaker 1: a very unlucky team when it comes to injuries, and
Speaker 1: they're starting off this season that way. The running game
Speaker 1: killed him last year. Well, their lack of faith in
Speaker 1: their own running game killed him last year. You notice
Speaker 1: is all trending towards Greg Roman Assistant Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1: It's all trending towards a lot of eighteen to seventeen
Speaker 1: wins with my boy Justin Tucker six for six. Just
Speaker 1: get inside the fifty yard line and you're flying these
Speaker 1: games more like six to three. This was nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 1: they'd be in good shape. Finally in the Ravens nest
Speaker 1: John Urschel, the guard, just twenty six years old. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shoot this bird of the bow and arrow, He was,
Speaker 1: Can you do that? Do you have that ability? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do good. Uh. He was going to compete for
Speaker 1: a starting job, but instead of taught you that at
Speaker 1: that camp, you love that's right, bow and arrow archery
Speaker 1: from long ranges. I can take anything out. I hated archery.
Speaker 1: I loved archery. Blisters and it's like, what are there?
Speaker 1: Was always the crazy kid that was, you know, not
Speaker 1: aiming at the target and potentially could have put one
Speaker 1: in somebody's throat. I viewed as an equalizer. Wasn't Gina
Speaker 1: Davis like some unreal archer? She was? Yeah, she is,
Speaker 1: probably is. Yeah, maybe she's declined a little bit gradual
Speaker 1: declined for Gina Davis in archery anyway. A A doctoral
Speaker 1: candidate in mathematics at M I T. John Erschel, smart guy,
Speaker 1: very good at chess? Uh got speed? H Jenny Boy
Speaker 1: Yeah r I p all those children he assassinated in
Speaker 1: the NFL commercial where he takes down fifty in chess
Speaker 1: at one time. Let's hop out of the Ravens nest, please,
Speaker 1: love of God. Moving on, Hey, Mike Glennon is a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. You would think that this wouldn't need to
Speaker 1: be announced, considering you've got almost nineteen million dollars in
Speaker 1: guarantee money in this last free agent deal. But of course,
Speaker 1: with the Mitch Robinsky shocker on draft Day, some people
Speaker 1: thought maybe Mike might not even start. However, Bears general
Speaker 1: manager Ryan Pace said Wednesday uh via the Chicago Tribune
Speaker 1: that Mike Glennon is our starting quarterback, but Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: for how long? I think it's gonna be for a
Speaker 1: long time because a I believe Mike Glennon's pretty good,
Speaker 1: going to be better than people think and then be
Speaker 1: Trabinsky doesn't seem like a guy that's going to be ready,
Speaker 1: and we haven't heard much about Drabinsky. The Bears are
Speaker 1: really off the radar as much as an organization as
Speaker 1: I can ever remember. They like last year, at this time,
Speaker 1: we're hearing a lot of how did Jared Goff look
Speaker 1: in the off Like we probably know Trabinsky doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he's ready, and that's why they're so confident. We
Speaker 1: don't even need a competition right now. Why did even
Speaker 1: put that out there? Yeah, I think when you see
Speaker 1: the updates from offseason practices that look, we're happy with Traubinsky.
Speaker 1: He knows how to run a huddle, now, like that's
Speaker 1: how he had to learn how to run a huddle.
Speaker 1: So he's way behind the eight ball. And it's not
Speaker 1: just that that. Ryan Pace said unequivocally that Mike Glenn
Speaker 1: is a starter. The other takeaway from this is that
Speaker 1: Trabinsky is behind Mark Sanchez. He's not even number two
Speaker 1: on the depth Chuck is he though? Really Sanchez is
Speaker 1: entering Camp is a number two quarterback and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if he leaves Camp as the number two.
Speaker 1: You didn't answer me, by the way, Greg well Lomich,
Speaker 1: will Mike let him be the starting quarterback? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say games one of those deals, yeah, that that they'll wait,
Speaker 1: even if they are not having a good season, that
Speaker 1: they're gonna wait till the to the end to just
Speaker 1: give a little four and nine starting. They'll want to
Speaker 1: see a starter two to see what their plans are
Speaker 1: for next season. UH. In other quarterback news, you boy,
Speaker 1: Mark Seila, Cody Kessler UH will start with the first
Speaker 1: team um or started with the first team offense for
Speaker 1: the Browns. On Thursday, Hugh Jackson had confirmed this UH,
Speaker 1: saying Cody Kessler will walk out there first. Hugh said,
Speaker 1: according to the plane dealer, he deserves a chance to
Speaker 1: walk out there first. Does he deserve it? Does he?
Speaker 1: It's a very tedious aspect to the start of training
Speaker 1: camp where there's all these breathless reports about which of
Speaker 1: in these so called quarterback battles where there's clearly no
Speaker 1: clear starter or maybe even anyone of starting caliber talent,
Speaker 1: that so and so is gonna get the first snaps,
Speaker 1: but then the next communies we're gonna rotate. And now
Speaker 1: they're doing is rotating. It's so far Kessler and Deshaun
Speaker 1: Kaiser and it's brock Osweiler, Greg's cut candidate who's taking
Speaker 1: snaps with the two so far? And Mark, I think
Speaker 1: you put it well, and you're right up at NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. Uh, you know brock Oswald in the mix.
Speaker 1: Obviously you wouldn't be surprised to see as while the
Speaker 1: starting week one or be released entirely. That's how wide
Speaker 1: open things are. Remember writing that article at this point
Speaker 1: in Barria, I thought it was interesting that the Akron
Speaker 1: Beacon Journal expects to Shawan Kaiser to be the starting
Speaker 1: That would be my pick two, to be honest, unless
Speaker 1: he unless he shows himself to be not ready at all.
Speaker 1: Because you have if you're gonna go into next year's
Speaker 1: draft and you're probably gonna pick a quarterback again, you've
Speaker 1: got to find a way to see you know what,
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler's you gotta find a way to see Kaiser.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting they're not even trying to pretend to
Speaker 1: use the first team snaps at least so far on
Speaker 1: Osweiler because they know long term they're invested in Kessler.
Speaker 1: Even even if Kessler's not starting for this team or ever,
Speaker 1: He's got a four year contract. He could be a
Speaker 1: long term back. I'm think they're they're spending all their
Speaker 1: energy on the other two guys. He could be in
Speaker 1: the league for ten to twelve years. And uh, down
Speaker 1: in Houston, brock Oswaller's former home, uh DeAndre Hopkins coming
Speaker 1: off a down year with terrible quarterbacks around and that
Speaker 1: was the case the year before as well, but things
Speaker 1: got really grim with Rock and Town last year. Now
Speaker 1: there's some hope for the wide receiver who believes in
Speaker 1: both Tom Savage and first round. Here's what Hopkins had
Speaker 1: to say on NFL Networks inside training camp. But live
Speaker 1: very eager, very eager. You know, my whole career, I
Speaker 1: think I played with the most quarterbacks, uh, throughout any
Speaker 1: receiver career. Through my first four years. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so I've never had the stability at quarterback to be
Speaker 1: able to build chemistry back to back years. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: so we have two guys like that in the locker
Speaker 1: room that I know can be franchise quarterbacks. It's a
Speaker 1: great feeling. Wow, West, he is certain that Tom Savage
Speaker 1: could be a franchise quarterback or is that just lip service?
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, Eddie Murphy and rawl when he talks
Speaker 1: about being in jail and he gets out and eats crackers,
Speaker 1: and it's like the best crackers he's ever had. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like eating a filet mignon because you've been
Speaker 1: in jail. He had Broad cost Water last year. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Tom Sam we're calling Tom Savage of cracker. No,
Speaker 1: I'm calling broad Costs Wiler. Let's tone down the race stuff.
Speaker 1: West Well and Greg, Greg made the Greg connected those dots.
Speaker 1: I thought we was being open about it and Greg
Speaker 1: was just is the one who connected the dots. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've misread the situation, then Greg, stop being racist. That's
Speaker 1: the first time today anyone's accused me of that. Hey,
Speaker 1: the Bills traded card l Jones. Sorry Rex Ryan, that
Speaker 1: didn't work out to the uh Los Angeles Chargers. In
Speaker 1: exchange for a conditional draft pick. Buffalo announced it on Wednesday. UM,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say Rex. I just say Doug Walley was
Speaker 1: a big CARDL. Jones fan, Chris Westling. And now Doug's gone,
Speaker 1: Rex is gone, and now Jones he's gone too. Well,
Speaker 1: he's going to play for his biggest fan in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn, who was in Buffalo last year and raved
Speaker 1: about Cardal Jones, said this is the kind of guy
Speaker 1: you want waiting in the on the runway behind your starter.
Speaker 1: So Anthony Lynn obviously believes Cardale Jones is the think
Speaker 1: the plane is taking off without him, which I think
Speaker 1: probably might not be the terrible thing as well. Down
Speaker 1: point he's gonna rev him up. Well, it's clear disrespect
Speaker 1: for our boy. Mike BERKOVICI has an extensive tape study
Speaker 1: on and thinks highly of. I don't appreciate what's happening
Speaker 1: here at all. What's wrong with this jukebox? That uh
Speaker 1: that people love trades though and and Ohio State former
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because that you know, there was probably a lot
Speaker 1: of work being put into all the features and various
Speaker 1: things on our redesigned website yesterday, By far, the most
Speaker 1: popular story on NFL dot com. Bill's trade Cardel Jones
Speaker 1: trades written by West moves the needle, and trades move
Speaker 1: the needle, and when these things combined hot comba it
Speaker 1: is explosive bad news for RG three. I would think,
Speaker 1: who got to work out with the Chargers and then
Speaker 1: they traded for Cardil Jones? So so he's gotta hope
Speaker 1: for something. Why do you? Why are you sorry to me?
Speaker 1: I'm leg it's like eighty former Brown's quarterbacks floating through
Speaker 1: the league. I mean he's RG three needs to hope
Speaker 1: for a litany of injuries to occur under center, and
Speaker 1: also for a career epiphany. Uh. Finally, in this portion
Speaker 1: of the news, Julio Jones is one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: um poorer. I feel like that's not accurate because he's
Speaker 1: still rich, but he's got he's missing goods. Put it
Speaker 1: that way. He takes a jet ski out in Lake
Speaker 1: Laniar in Georgia. You're familiar with lakely year West or
Speaker 1: somethinghere a tybee off the coast of Georgia there anyways,
Speaker 1: zipping around his jet ski. Hey, people are sleeping on
Speaker 1: jet skis. You want to feel free you get out
Speaker 1: on a lake and you just you go on that
Speaker 1: jet ski. You don't be you know, you don't be
Speaker 1: a jerk about it. You don't getting people's lanes and
Speaker 1: do like Playboy moves when you're wearing your oakleys and stuff.
Speaker 1: You just get out into that open water. Jet Skis
Speaker 1: are the Donald Trump of watercraft. When this is the
Speaker 1: last time you've done you did this stand. Uh. My
Speaker 1: father in law used to have one before he sold it,
Speaker 1: and it was the only time I truly felt free.
Speaker 1: Was interesting. A little floating around. You want to feel free,
Speaker 1: tie a huge rope around yourself or whatever is happening
Speaker 1: on jet skis. Are you aware of what I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: You're holding You're not free. While you hold onto, you're
Speaker 1: holding on, you're not tied. It would never be a
Speaker 1: good idea on a moving motor boat to tie rope
Speaker 1: around your body. I thought you were talking about what
Speaker 1: you think it was like a tube that was tied.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thinking, you know you can let go
Speaker 1: when you want. That's freedom in essence. You can let
Speaker 1: go whenever you feel the need. Anyway, I'm pounding the
Speaker 1: tail for jet skis. Get off my back whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's nice. They're nice machines. But Julio Jones, he got
Speaker 1: he went into a boat wake, major mistake. Gotta be careful. Um,
Speaker 1: also want to decrease your acceleration when coming under an
Speaker 1: overpass situation with the bridge. There's a lot of different
Speaker 1: rules and do not ingest alcohol. The boat police are
Speaker 1: all over the place. Anybody that has jet ski questions
Speaker 1: come to me. Moving forward, Julio Jones, anybody have jet
Speaker 1: ski questions? I think you've solved our curiosity. He gets
Speaker 1: knocked off the vessel popped up. Uh, he was okay,
Speaker 1: thank thankfully, but his one thousand dollar earring floated to
Speaker 1: the or sunk to the bottom of this lake. He
Speaker 1: hired two divers to search for it. No luck so far.
Speaker 1: And um, that's a tough way to lose a very
Speaker 1: expensive piece of jewelry. Anybody ever lose anything like super
Speaker 1: valuable in a stupid way? Trying to think I lost
Speaker 1: my car for two days, but that was that wasn't
Speaker 1: I don't understand buying a hundred thousand dollar piece of
Speaker 1: hundred dollars maybe thousand dollars per a shiny object. You
Speaker 1: better trust those divers too, because you're paying those divers
Speaker 1: and it's just very good point and the divers are
Speaker 1: coming up. Didn't find it today then, while they show
Speaker 1: up in like a Rolls Royce for day for the search,
Speaker 1: like just like lobster dinners coming out of their car window. Uh,
Speaker 1: we got some more news to get to, but we
Speaker 1: gotta speed up. So it's time for a little bit
Speaker 1: of eight o'clock the light. Levan Bell did not show
Speaker 1: up for the open ing of Pittsburgh Steelers training camp.
Speaker 1: It's playing under that franchise Texas. This a problem. Greg
Speaker 1: not at all be there when it matters all right.
Speaker 1: Davante Booker is heading to the pup for the Denver Broncos. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has a risk injury suffered back in minicamp. Do
Speaker 1: you like book or West? I didn't like what I
Speaker 1: saw him last year. He was very underwhelming and C. J. Anderson,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was locked in as the starter. Everson
Speaker 1: Griffin getting paid once again. The defensive end signed a
Speaker 1: four year, fifty eight million dollar extension. It includes thirty
Speaker 1: four million and guarantees. According to rap sheet, Uh, this
Speaker 1: means about bike for life, Griffin said. Greg got paid again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a rare player that gets to monster contract extensions
Speaker 1: from the same team in the same career. Says a
Speaker 1: lot about how they view them. The Jets claimed Lucky
Speaker 1: white Head off waivers after the Cowboys released him under
Speaker 1: controversial circumstances. Mark, did you like all of the different
Speaker 1: plays on words about the Jets finally getting lucky on Twitter?
Speaker 1: It's an awful week on Twitter to begin with, and
Speaker 1: that might have been the height of the ugliness. John Ross,
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver that they're expecting a lot
Speaker 1: from this year, remains sidelined as they open training camp
Speaker 1: with and it's still quote a couple of weeks away.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good. Mark, I'm not worried about it yet.
Speaker 1: Should I be as a Browns fan or as a
Speaker 1: Browns fan especially? But now I think he you know,
Speaker 1: this is different than Levian Bell. He doesn't know the offense.
Speaker 1: He's literally never practiced and yeah, he's never practiced with
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Want to rethink this, Mark, how nervous? I
Speaker 1: personally am not worried about it. Should the Bengals be?
Speaker 1: I think they should be? You asked my concerned level.
Speaker 1: It's low Okay, just in general. When I asked those
Speaker 1: type of questions, project the thoughts of the team, Okay,
Speaker 1: the fans, the team management, all that, the coaching staff. Anyway,
Speaker 1: who has the number one hottest selling jersey and football?
Speaker 1: There's no way you're gonna guess unless you're reading the
Speaker 1: end around. James Conner, the third round pick running back
Speaker 1: out of the University of Pittsburgh, is now top. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is Westling and and and West. Big reason why
Speaker 1: the man overcame beat cancer, returned to the football field,
Speaker 1: and then it got drafted by his hometown team. How
Speaker 1: about you getting drafted by the Bengals after your surgery
Speaker 1: like that? No? Thanks, I don't know. I think that's
Speaker 1: a heartwarming story though, because in a time where this
Speaker 1: country can't seem to agree on anything and has been
Speaker 1: pretty their bitriol has been flying. The support for people
Speaker 1: battling cancer. I mean, it's almost universal, and it shows
Speaker 1: that we can come together and support someone who needs it.
Speaker 1: Nice Macro viewpoint West. Finally, Philip rivers to commute from
Speaker 1: San Diego this season. Uh that could be an hour
Speaker 1: and a half commute each way. Finish it off, Mark
Speaker 1: Quick Quick Quick Think it's awful. It's terrible. If I
Speaker 1: had to do that every day as a quarterback, I'd
Speaker 1: go nuts. But he's in some sort of quarterback car
Speaker 1: where you have, like he's able to study film with
Speaker 1: a driver drive him. Still, it's it's an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. He lives in Rancho Santa Fe. It's it's troubling. Well,
Speaker 1: you have to move your whole family. They're not in
Speaker 1: l A. They're in Coasta Mesa, which is Orange County.
Speaker 1: So so he's not going all the way up to
Speaker 1: l A. You can watch some film on the way
Speaker 1: to work. That makes sense. He's been sheltered in San Diego.
Speaker 1: Wait until he has to deal with l A l
Speaker 1: A freeway trip. Yeah, absolutely, You know what else? What
Speaker 1: happens he's admitting this is a trial balloon. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: happens when he cannot take it and the traffic's brutal
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like his mobile car device with all
Speaker 1: the televisions, he can't get a good internet connection, you
Speaker 1: can't get any work done, and he still doesn't want
Speaker 1: to move the kids from San Diego. Then what Mark,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it is an absolute disaster on the
Speaker 1: family front. To the charge and five by the time
Speaker 1: this trial balloon sinks into the end of the ground.
Speaker 1: It's easy for you to say, try to move a
Speaker 1: family with eight kids. Well, if you know I have
Speaker 1: eight children, you've gotta you gotta put that. We're just
Speaker 1: vamping to time the end of the song. If anyone
Speaker 1: has noticed, yeah, like it's hard commuting in southern California.
Speaker 1: He's a multi millionaire and the team will moving for him.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely Hey, that's true. The team will work with him. Well,
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Speaker 1: you had a girlfriend, you had a song with her,
Speaker 1: and then you get a new girlfriend. You're trying to
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Speaker 1: but don't get too close. Just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it is that the same outlook you have for producers. No,
Speaker 1: there's there's a producer that I definitely want and I
Speaker 1: and if we can procure this person, you know, we'd
Speaker 1: be very happy. Is she in this room? Not in
Speaker 1: this room? No? Is she behind the glass? I will
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Speaker 1: right now, Hey doing by the way, I emma unrelated. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. Things are a good show so far.
Speaker 1: Is it fun? Is it kind of loose in terms
Speaker 1: of how it's like, Oh, it's almost like hanging out
Speaker 1: with your your friends, just to my pals, you know,
Speaker 1: with the guys. It's almost not work in a way.
Speaker 1: Very rewarding also on all on all fronts. Yeah, make
Speaker 1: some good points. Good points. Do you notice when I
Speaker 1: said it doesn't feel like work when it's fun? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. I think I was picking up on the
Speaker 1: same thing. Do you notice And when I sent out
Speaker 1: the budget for today's show, really nice headshot of you
Speaker 1: that I dug up on Google just show my appreciation
Speaker 1: that you're working with us today. I appreciate that slightly
Speaker 1: embarrassing headshot, but I think you look nice. Did you
Speaker 1: get my fruit basket? No? No, I'm still winning on
Speaker 1: that hot but talk Yep, it's never too soon to
Speaker 1: talk about hot, but especially in the NFL. Uh where
Speaker 1: I asked, just asked. Jeff Fisher, who's you know? Began
Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen season coaching the Los Angeles Football franchise,
Speaker 1: and he ended it holding a puppy and a woman
Speaker 1: he picked up at the supermarket just to be his friend,
Speaker 1: a mom of some kind, waving waving at the team
Speaker 1: buses it rolled away to Seattle for another slaughterfest. I
Speaker 1: want the video of like, you know, alec Ogletree or
Speaker 1: what some of the players been like, Wait a second,
Speaker 1: is that Jeff? What is he doing there? I want
Speaker 1: cameras and that that about the guys that weren't paying
Speaker 1: attention in the meeting and had no idea. Jeff Fisher
Speaker 1: was fired and then they see him waving. Probably a
Speaker 1: bit of a trip anyway, hotbuts all right. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go around the room a couple of times and um
Speaker 1: uh talk about coaches, gms, what have you that could
Speaker 1: find themselves in legitimate danger of losing their jobs. This
Speaker 1: is Greg jokes around about like he doesn't like the
Speaker 1: sound of a burning butt. He jokes about that. But
Speaker 1: the other thing Greg doesn't like. He gets uncomfortable when
Speaker 1: he ever, whenever feels like we might be talking about
Speaker 1: these people losing jobs in a way that's too flippant.
Speaker 1: Greg is very respectful. He's moving his way up the ladder,
Speaker 1: and once you go to the TV side, you become
Speaker 1: a lot more kind of straight laced with that stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's where that's why Greg is kind of caught
Speaker 1: in this in between man without a country place, right,
Speaker 1: And that's not true at all. Do you weren't we
Speaker 1: just talking last episode about how sort of like a
Speaker 1: humanized the person, like you know, Rob Boris or whatever,
Speaker 1: that you realize, like, you know, these are people the issues.
Speaker 1: It's not so much I'm uncomfortable. It's also you know,
Speaker 1: right before training camp starts that we're talking hotbuts it's
Speaker 1: like the season hasn't even started and we're trying to
Speaker 1: find how many coaches were fired last year. It's been
Speaker 1: an average of six a year, I believe lately. But
Speaker 1: even in season, there's always a couple at least. I
Speaker 1: feel like usually we're gonna talk about we're not saying
Speaker 1: all these coaches we expect them to be fired, but
Speaker 1: there is a decent chance, uh you know, one to
Speaker 1: three of these names actually will get banged in the end. No, no,
Speaker 1: you go anywhere you want. Was I'm going to Mark's corner?
Speaker 1: Oh you're flying Mark? You okay with him going to
Speaker 1: your corner? Absolutely? All right, Let's start with Mark though
Speaker 1: on that day I don't even know what I thought.
Speaker 1: He had the fantasy corner, and this is a different corner.
Speaker 1: He is coordinator corner. This is Mark's catty corner, health food.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to find out what corner this is.
Speaker 1: All right, let's harry up and get to West. We'll
Speaker 1: start with Mark, though, I'll go real quick then. Uh no,
Speaker 1: but I look at Chicago because I think with John
Speaker 1: Fox and Ryan Pace, you can act all you on
Speaker 1: about how you know. John Fox says he loves what
Speaker 1: he has with his team right now. I think that
Speaker 1: this year, you see what you get out of the Bears,
Speaker 1: but you know it, Miss Rabiski is going to be
Speaker 1: your starter next year. Then you have to rethink entirely
Speaker 1: how this team runs itself. And John Fox is not
Speaker 1: the guy I want to groom a rookie quarterback or
Speaker 1: anyone on his staff. Frankly, I honestly think that the
Speaker 1: Bears could finish about three and thirteen or four and
Speaker 1: twelve this year. I don't think that Pace and John
Speaker 1: Fox are necessarily best buds on any level either. After
Speaker 1: what happened with the draft and just whispers coming out
Speaker 1: of the draft that there's unrest on that team, and
Speaker 1: John Fox is not going to be the best candidate
Speaker 1: out there. A few really great other options come up
Speaker 1: at this point. So I think Chicago is going to
Speaker 1: have a major reshuffling by the end of the season.
Speaker 1: I did not wish that to happen to John Fox.
Speaker 1: Not flippant at all. He left himself without any excuses
Speaker 1: whatsoever when he said how strong he believes his roster is.
Speaker 1: That means he believes Ryan Pace did his job the
Speaker 1: whole John Fox thing is like, I'm gonna take your
Speaker 1: lack of talent and we're gonna play hard and we're
Speaker 1: gonna overachieve, even if we're not the greatest team in
Speaker 1: the world. So if he doesn't deliver that, I think
Speaker 1: you're right. I think if we were in you know,
Speaker 1: a city in the desert where your consigliari friend Uh westwork,
Speaker 1: Mr Rack, I would guess. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: have wait, I don't know if they have things like this,
Speaker 1: but I would say John Fox has got to be
Speaker 1: the most likely guy to not have his job next year.
Speaker 1: He would be on the top of the list market
Speaker 1: at home run. Good choice, hey Mark, where to get gone? Baby?
Speaker 1: Maybe not a daring choice, but the one that if
Speaker 1: I wanted to get on base, Yeah, and you and
Speaker 1: you did more than that. You went all the way
Speaker 1: around the basis, just like Greg the bottom of the
Speaker 1: seventh tonight, I want that wants We're going to coordinator
Speaker 1: Caddy Corner. I knew it. I knew his coordinator. This
Speaker 1: guy just entered the league and he's already on the
Speaker 1: hot seat. Steve Sarkisian, the Falcons offensive coordinator, seek could
Speaker 1: not be any hotter. They are loaded with talent, but
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan maximized that talent. Nobody gets receivers more open,
Speaker 1: more consistently than Kyle Shanahan. We saw that last year.
Speaker 1: Can Steve Sarkisian draw up plays? Can he dial in
Speaker 1: the offense? Does he know the right combination? Can he
Speaker 1: work with Matt Ryan? Can he work with receivers? Can
Speaker 1: he used the same zone running scheme to the same
Speaker 1: effect as Kyle Shanahan. I think he's under the microscope
Speaker 1: as much as anyone this year. It's a great call.
Speaker 1: I mean, can he be a good pro coach? I
Speaker 1: think if he was a head coach, everyone would say
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't have any pro experience at all, and
Speaker 1: that would be a legitimate claim. And yet he You know,
Speaker 1: it's just as important for a coordinator, especially under a
Speaker 1: defensive coach where he's basically running that side. And there
Speaker 1: are coordinators offensive coordinators that are great at game planning
Speaker 1: the week going into the game, and then there are
Speaker 1: in game masters like Shanahan, and to have suddenly switched
Speaker 1: to someone with no play calling experience and tough situations,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a tough call to take over
Speaker 1: the best offense. I honestly wonder if there's a scenario
Speaker 1: by the end of the year where people saying Atlanta's
Speaker 1: defense has gotten them farther this year than their offensive.
Speaker 1: Things don't go right and making the leaps Atlanta Falcon,
Speaker 1: That's that's true. But and you know what, like Mark,
Speaker 1: you were kind of hitting on it there, and it
Speaker 1: goes all walks of life. You never want to replace
Speaker 1: the guy. You want to replace the guy who replaced
Speaker 1: the guy. So if something goes wrong with the Falcons
Speaker 1: this year and there is that Super Bowl hangover and
Speaker 1: the defense doesn't make the leap, and the offense comes
Speaker 1: down to earth and they go eight and eight in
Speaker 1: their new building, and everyone's bitterly disappointed, and they are
Speaker 1: not gonna fire the head coach. They liked the head
Speaker 1: coach a lot. Uh I could see the O coordinator going,
Speaker 1: especially if he rubbed some people the wrong way, which
Speaker 1: it seems like he does. Then he get like, I
Speaker 1: don't know anything my college football. I tend to watch
Speaker 1: the Final four. But did he get like benched in
Speaker 1: the championship game calling plays? Did he take and thought
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin took over something? Yeah? He he Essentially I
Speaker 1: don't know it was confusing whether he lost the job
Speaker 1: or whether he was already his loyalties were divided, so
Speaker 1: they just decided to move on or they were annoyed
Speaker 1: how he handled moving on to to Atlanta. So yes,
Speaker 1: he did get benched something. Yeah, it's something bad happened anyway.
Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a good one too for two.
Speaker 1: Moving on, Uh, Greg, I hope I'm not stepping on
Speaker 1: your toes here because I know you like to cover
Speaker 1: this beat considering your college roots. But I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Sean Payton, okay um and Greg Mark. I
Speaker 1: know the Loomis and the structure of the Saints are
Speaker 1: on your radar, and as they should be. Their their
Speaker 1: loyalties seemed to be divided between the Pelicans. Did they
Speaker 1: do something recently? Joined press conference were about the Saints
Speaker 1: and the Pelicans. Saints Pelicans press conference. They're trying to
Speaker 1: save money on refreshments and you know cookies that you
Speaker 1: provide at the press conference. Let's just do Pelicans and
Speaker 1: Saints together. I don't know if they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: Super Bowl until they got a cooperation where they run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Drew Brees playing point guard in uh
Speaker 1: in January this year. But I think I think at
Speaker 1: a certain point it's just time, right And Peyton has
Speaker 1: been there since two thousand and six. That is a
Speaker 1: long ass time in the NFL to be anywhere, and
Speaker 1: you win a Super Bowl, um, and that gives you
Speaker 1: a lot of rope. But that Super Bowl is two
Speaker 1: thousand nine and is now two thousand and seventeen, and
Speaker 1: we we have a lot of fun with Jeff Jeff Fisher.
Speaker 1: But guess who's going gone seven and nine the last
Speaker 1: three years and four out of the last five. It's
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. So if they do that again and regress further,
Speaker 1: you get the feeling it could be a situation where
Speaker 1: both sides want to fresh start because you're just you're
Speaker 1: spinning your wheels, and ownership has to be getting very
Speaker 1: anxious at this point. Sean Payton knows his quarterback is
Speaker 1: not getting any younger and he's not getting any closer,
Speaker 1: and maybe he thinks there's a better job with a
Speaker 1: brighter future ahead. I think another bad year by the Saints,
Speaker 1: especially one that goes off the rails a little bit
Speaker 1: in the first half or something like that, and we
Speaker 1: could see a change maybe not in season and something
Speaker 1: we could see a change. Bat's respectful. Yeah, that's not
Speaker 1: respectful Sean Payton. I think that all makes sense in
Speaker 1: most situations, But then I think of who's the owner,
Speaker 1: what's the team? He's signed through UH making more than
Speaker 1: I think eight million dollars a year. He famously brought
Speaker 1: that contract in a briefcase to the senior Bolae well
Speaker 1: to that it was the owner's meeting. He was prancing
Speaker 1: around with this with this like leather case and finally
Speaker 1: announced this unsigned contract. Right, So, I I think it's
Speaker 1: been I think Sean Payton has been a great coach
Speaker 1: for them and great for that city, but I think
Speaker 1: it's been really underhanded how he's been looking for other
Speaker 1: jobs at the end of each of the last two seasons,
Speaker 1: and and he throws reporters under the bus, but we
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. There's these reports out there he's
Speaker 1: sniffing around. At this point, I don't think he can
Speaker 1: get another UH team to be paying him that much money,
Speaker 1: so it starts getting confused, like I don't think another
Speaker 1: team's gonna trade for it. It's just this weird stare
Speaker 1: down where I just think they're stuck again. I think
Speaker 1: if you're the Saints, you have to have a candidate
Speaker 1: out there that you believe is instantly better than Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: which is not what he's good at. The Saints are
Speaker 1: good at. Well, it's interesting to do because Drew Brees
Speaker 1: contract is up to and and maybe Sean Payton and
Speaker 1: Drew Brees are just a package deal at this point.
Speaker 1: Whereas if if Drew Brees moves on, maybe that's the
Speaker 1: end of Sean Payton there. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to step on anybody's toes. Uh if you have
Speaker 1: a banger for this, but a lot of it has
Speaker 1: been many years where Payton has been connected to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a possibility a job opening could
Speaker 1: happen there. If the Cowboys really disappointed this year and
Speaker 1: Garrett going to New Orleans, you can see them flipping potentially,
Speaker 1: all right, talk about the Indianapolis cults. Whenever new GM
Speaker 1: comes in, that makes a lot of changes. Jen really
Speaker 1: the head coach getting losing his job is not too
Speaker 1: far behind. I think Chuck Bogano is in a really
Speaker 1: tough spot here. Uh. Chris Ballard, of course got this
Speaker 1: job after they had already decided to keep Pagano. I
Speaker 1: think they obviously want to make it work. But he's
Speaker 1: a defensive coach who has never had a particularly good defense,
Speaker 1: and they could have eight or nine or even ten
Speaker 1: new starters on defense. And if that the defense doesn't
Speaker 1: get better in a hurry, I think to Mercy and
Speaker 1: Ballard could look for a guy that they could choose
Speaker 1: together a new in Ursay, over and over this offseason
Speaker 1: is verbally praised Ballard. He really feels like he hit
Speaker 1: a home room with his GM pick. So if if
Speaker 1: the if there isn't every sort of an issue where
Speaker 1: the cults feel like Andrew Luck's career is washing away
Speaker 1: before our eyes, we need to get someone in here
Speaker 1: that can maximize this offense that I think he's in hotgain.
Speaker 1: Pogano would be in big hot water. He's been given
Speaker 1: a long enough leash. What's your favorite type of frog?
Speaker 1: That's what of Chris Ballard's you know, favorite questions to ask? Yeah,
Speaker 1: people keep on I see on the subreddit like what
Speaker 1: is that all about? I don't know, maybe just how
Speaker 1: to be there? I can't tell you some of these things.
Speaker 1: There's no hard and fest answer. Maybe Greg has it,
Speaker 1: but I I don't. No, I think you said it was.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you both reached the same conclusion, though,
Speaker 1: but you can't put your finger on what it is exactly.
Speaker 1: I still remember it. We were we watched at the Combine,
Speaker 1: we watched Ballard's first press conference, and we made the walk,
Speaker 1: the cold walk in Indianapolis called Rainy Walk that day
Speaker 1: from the little interview center back to like our our stations,
Speaker 1: and we both just walking on that Indie Street and
Speaker 1: be like, what's going on there? Anyway? I want to
Speaker 1: move on? I think we should alright, one more round.
Speaker 1: Let's go mark similar situation in Detroit where I think
Speaker 1: if you're Jim Calledwell and you're paired with Bob Quinn,
Speaker 1: who's you know, really respected inside that building, general manager,
Speaker 1: who probably wants at some point to have his pick
Speaker 1: of head coach if the Lions crashed and burn, which
Speaker 1: I don't think is beyond the realm of imagination that they,
Speaker 1: you know, go six and ten or something that's got
Speaker 1: two more wins and you predicted. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: my ceiling for them. Jim called Well, I mean Jim
Speaker 1: called Well is is someone that I think I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that he was given a chance to come back as
Speaker 1: coach last season, and so I just I don't know
Speaker 1: if this, if this is gonna continue on unless they
Speaker 1: really overachieve, and that really overachieving and Jim called Well
Speaker 1: or not two things that I often pair together in
Speaker 1: my mind. Don't you think he overachieved last year? I
Speaker 1: felt like he did. He made the playoffs with smoking mirrors.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that. I think if you're Bob
Speaker 1: Quinn and you're really looking at what your team was,
Speaker 1: it's not on Jim called Well, but your team has
Speaker 1: a long way to go. And is Jim called Well
Speaker 1: the guy you want to sign up to go through
Speaker 1: this journey with nothing exciting about Jim Caldwell. I think
Speaker 1: it's a good choice. Mark both your choices. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like choked up on the bat a little bit
Speaker 1: and just slapped singles, maybe beat it out for double.
Speaker 1: Very safe, but all just trying to be productive today.
Speaker 1: Very good both of them, I will say this, And
Speaker 1: and I I should have had the lines higher up
Speaker 1: in the pain rankings. I understand that now one playoff
Speaker 1: win since nineteen eight, Now did they win a playoff
Speaker 1: game and called Dwells three years. No, but they've been
Speaker 1: to the playoffs twice and I know they backed in
Speaker 1: last year, but they went eleven and five minutes first
Speaker 1: year and should have beat the Cowboys. They got robbed
Speaker 1: in that game, so he could have been uh in
Speaker 1: the divisional playoffs. Should I will just say, I just
Speaker 1: think I think for me, it's the it's the hand
Speaker 1: pick GM to come in and wanting wanting his own
Speaker 1: coach to pair with. Maybe that would be Matt Patricia.
Speaker 1: Maybe that would be someone from his past that he
Speaker 1: really wants to, you know, build a legacy with. Doesn't
Speaker 1: it feel like though Caldwell, everyone in the instant the
Speaker 1: hire was made, hated it, and on some level he's
Speaker 1: overperformed to this point. Has the coach of the Lions
Speaker 1: in this scenario, though they have a disastrous season, Okay,
Speaker 1: four to six ones, I got it, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: they go nine and seven. I don't think this comes
Speaker 1: true wes Well. I wanted to go quarterback, and a
Speaker 1: couple of veterans immediately jumped to mind. Alex Smith and
Speaker 1: Eli Manning are on the hot seat, but I think
Speaker 1: the hottest seat among all quarterbacks belongs to Blake Portles,
Speaker 1: and Doug Moron said the other day, we are raising
Speaker 1: expectations for these for this guy, which you know, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, why didn't you bring in someone to
Speaker 1: compete with him? If if you're raising expectations, But I
Speaker 1: know that Titans are now the default pick in that division.
Speaker 1: The Jaguars and Texans have playoff rosters with the with
Speaker 1: the exception of the quarterback. I think the Jaguars Jaguars
Speaker 1: lost roster is now pretty loaded. And if Leonard four
Speaker 1: Nette is what we think he is, this team can
Speaker 1: go pretty far if Blake Bortles is an average quarterback.
Speaker 1: But if he's not even average, if he if he
Speaker 1: can't fix his mechanics, I mean, basically, they'll have to
Speaker 1: write him off like they wrote off Blaine Gabbert. How
Speaker 1: about the I think that's definitely fair about the Jaguars
Speaker 1: in general, from the quarterback to the current coach, to
Speaker 1: the GM potential total sweep out if and it's all
Speaker 1: kind of on board as approving in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways Undercauughlin, though you're saying he would write that Coughlin
Speaker 1: is essentially, you know, cooking the flames here. For an
Speaker 1: entire organization that's been given a long rope with a
Speaker 1: total lack of success. I mean they no team has
Speaker 1: lost more games over the last five years except for
Speaker 1: the Browns. Is that true? That's true? Why is that shocking?
Speaker 1: I mean it seems like that would be the team
Speaker 1: that would have lost more games. Don't they go four
Speaker 1: and twelve every year? Right? That's the thing they have. No,
Speaker 1: they have no six win They have not had a
Speaker 1: six win season. I don't believe since like Jack the
Speaker 1: second to last Jack del Rio year, and that's a
Speaker 1: horrible seas off of the NFL. It's rigged so the
Speaker 1: bad teams can get better everything. I mean, six wins
Speaker 1: should not be that that high a bar. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm right. Uh. They're eight and eight in two thousand
Speaker 1: and ten under del Rio. Uh and they since then
Speaker 1: they've won five to four three five three. That's hideous. Well,
Speaker 1: the last the last head coach when he got fired,
Speaker 1: uh Gus Bradley. There was that famous stat that Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick would have to lose like a hundred straight games
Speaker 1: to equal his losing percentage. Uh, brad more than that,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Um, I will go with a team
Speaker 1: that a lot. Some people will say in the AC
Speaker 1: sal this is an ugly page. I don't want to
Speaker 1: interrupt it, but there were two straight seasons where they're
Speaker 1: leading passer was Chad Henny and their leading receiver was
Speaker 1: Cecil Shorts. And that's just that's bad. Sorry, save for
Speaker 1: the Jaguars Suck podcast. Um, I'll stay in the a
Speaker 1: f C sal talk about Bill O'Brien, uh, who a
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I think it's fair to say
Speaker 1: he's had his issues managing the quarterback room. Uh, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of a chicken salad chicken chicken what is it?
Speaker 1: Chicken s? Theyking chicken salad out of chicken s. He's
Speaker 1: not been put in a position to have a quarterback
Speaker 1: to believe in at this point. Maybe he does this year,
Speaker 1: but it's still a rookie quarterback. And I will point
Speaker 1: to maybe we forget now, uh or the football GAGNACENTI
Speaker 1: has forgotten. But there was speculation that Bill O'Brien was
Speaker 1: leaving Houston last season because of some internal squabbles. What
Speaker 1: happens this year? If Tom Savage, I'm sorry, DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: isn't a franchise type quarterback. In fact, if Tom Savage stinks,
Speaker 1: which I think everybody thinks could happen potentially, And if
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson simply isn't ready, and then you have ownership,
Speaker 1: uh that is not prepared to wait, the ownership that
Speaker 1: still thinks it's a team that's one heartbeat away without
Speaker 1: means someone died. Ownership that thinks that they are just
Speaker 1: one wave of success, something turning their way from being
Speaker 1: able to go toe to toe with the with the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I believe there is an issue going on between the
Speaker 1: coach in the front office there and if this sees
Speaker 1: if this team underperforms, I think O'Brien he's kind of
Speaker 1: a volatle guy. I gained respect from him watching Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: but I think he's a guy that probably rubbed some
Speaker 1: people the wrong way and could see him getting into
Speaker 1: some spirited arguments in a big spot. I think O'Brien
Speaker 1: could be in deep trouble if this team underperforms, which
Speaker 1: I think is very possible. White thing I'd say is
Speaker 1: he's won seven regular season games in three years with
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, and Brock Osweiler. Now
Speaker 1: he also famously called some of those quarterbacks completely competent
Speaker 1: and ready to be their starters, and they shouldn't be disrespected.
Speaker 1: But I think, well, the overall product under O'Brien has
Speaker 1: been so I think he's been great, But there there
Speaker 1: were multiple reports at the end of last season that
Speaker 1: he would either quit or get fired that I think,
Speaker 1: Why is the GM so bulletproof in Houston? I think
Speaker 1: it was about and I remember that report. It was
Speaker 1: from me and Rappaport who really started it, our NFL
Speaker 1: Network insider who said, coach coaching, coach, needy, teams are
Speaker 1: waiting to see what happens with Bill O'Brien, And it
Speaker 1: sure felt like it was Bill O'Brien that was maybe
Speaker 1: thinking about trying to push his way out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: something's weird there. One more interesting thing about this situation
Speaker 1: is they finished twenty nine in Football Outsiders metrics last year.
Speaker 1: They were one of the worst teams in the league
Speaker 1: according to statistical analysis, and that same analysis predicts them
Speaker 1: to fall off in a major way this year because
Speaker 1: they were so lucky in close games. And yet people
Speaker 1: like Ian Rappaport other NFL insiders when they talked to
Speaker 1: their coaches, when they talk to their players. They believe
Speaker 1: this is the most stacked team Bill O'Brien's head. They
Speaker 1: think they are loaded this year. They think their playoff
Speaker 1: bound and and a Super Bowl contender. So defense looks
Speaker 1: great on paper. Yeah, the expectations are really high among
Speaker 1: that coaching, which can work against you if if you know,
Speaker 1: match's actually J. J. Watt being fully healthy, Clowney coming
Speaker 1: into his own and if if Watson can play a
Speaker 1: little bit, Yeah, that they can win eleven games. But
Speaker 1: it could also go give us give us one season
Speaker 1: football gods. I'm usually not too huge on the Texas,
Speaker 1: but give us one season where we get healthy prime J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt and healthy prime Clowney next to each other for
Speaker 1: one season. We're running out of time. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady shivering in the corner just thinking about it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I would love that, sobbing Tom Brady and his like
Speaker 1: he's got his sleep pajamas. I don't think that this
Speaker 1: scenario is happening at all. He just turned into Brock
Speaker 1: Hospeiler after and incompletion, Um, okay, that would be Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: If Clowney and walking on the same page of dominance,
Speaker 1: take us home, Greg I was looking for a surprise team.
Speaker 1: How about the nation's capital, the Washington Redskins. When things
Speaker 1: blow up there, they tend to blow up fast. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Jay Gruden should be on any sort
Speaker 1: of hot seat. But this is a team I could
Speaker 1: see go in sideways if things don't go right, and
Speaker 1: that I could see ownership making a rash move. I
Speaker 1: could see drama during the season, which puts various pressures
Speaker 1: on different facts into the team. I don't like the
Speaker 1: smell of it. Cousins and everything else. We've just seen
Speaker 1: this over the last twenty years. So that's I'm basing
Speaker 1: it more on that history than Jay Gruden, because I
Speaker 1: think Jake Gruden is doing a great job. Anyone, it's
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen on the hot seat. No, I feel like
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen is the one. He's the one putting people
Speaker 1: on the hot seat. He seems to have the year
Speaker 1: of ownership. He seems to be running things. How's that working?
Speaker 1: Will any return to power? Right? I I think that
Speaker 1: that probably doesn't bode well great for the head coach.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we got out of here without
Speaker 1: talking the Jets, but I think that yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: too obvious. I thought about the Jets. I just figured, well,
Speaker 1: we've talked, we talked about them a lot, don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they will be everyone will be swept out if
Speaker 1: they go. Yeah, Well, isn't that the plan though? In
Speaker 1: according to some? I mean, although maybe that's why they're
Speaker 1: not even you know, they're just the Jets right now?
Speaker 1: What like west is saying? Yeah, Like why you know,
Speaker 1: they're basically almost a relegated team right now. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to have to bring them up all the time.
Speaker 1: It's just their depressing team to talk about. I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more, Westie. You asked if Bruce Allen would be
Speaker 1: on the hot team. That did remind me Bruce Allen
Speaker 1: and John Gruden got fired together in a very surprising
Speaker 1: move when they collapsed late in John Gruden's last season.
Speaker 1: So who knows, maybe Alan and Gruden could get swept
Speaker 1: out if something like that happened. Since you brought up
Speaker 1: my team, Mark, not being aggressive with you at all,
Speaker 1: But if Hugh Jackson follows up the one and fifteen
Speaker 1: with a three and thirteen, yeah, I think it's still
Speaker 1: going to be patience is there? Because going through that
Speaker 1: again with any one of these bad teams. It's it's
Speaker 1: fine to sail. There's all this patients in August or
Speaker 1: at July. But if you go through that again, Hugh
Speaker 1: Jackson could decide to leave the front office. The front
Speaker 1: office could go through a major shake up. I mean
Speaker 1: anything is style points matter for them, though, they could
Speaker 1: go four and twelve and it could be the type
Speaker 1: of four and twelve where people would feel good. It's
Speaker 1: a step forward, there's progress, like you can see certain
Speaker 1: young players developing. Four and twelve might be totally fine.
Speaker 1: I think for them depends on owners. Some owners are
Speaker 1: are really patient, Mike Brown being the most patient owner
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Jimmy Haslin has been known to fire
Speaker 1: guys left and right. Um, all right, there you go.
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