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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan ANSAs, and I am joined by
Speaker 1: Room Fill with some heroes. Mark Cesler in my left,
Speaker 1: Greg Rose with Thalt in my right. What's up? Boys?
Speaker 1: I think we are being undermanned by the league. I
Speaker 1: think the league, if they had their druthers, this show
Speaker 1: would potentially not even exist. You could argue the show
Speaker 1: already does it's fair arguments. You made what? Oh, we
Speaker 1: have lots of listeners that that believe it. Okay, I
Speaker 1: got you. Well, you know it's good to have a
Speaker 1: little chip on your shoulder. It's something to dry that. Well,
Speaker 1: they're giving us ample room for that. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: Friday editional around the very bitter group of men in
Speaker 1: this room apparently. Uh No, we love doing the show.
Speaker 1: It's great get the opportunity, uh to get together, chop
Speaker 1: it up, little football chop with the always three times
Speaker 1: a week talking about the NFL. I mean, it cannot
Speaker 1: be more lucky than we are. Let's gram a little
Speaker 1: concerned because of you know, leading up to this show,
Speaker 1: during our meeting and all day in the office downstairs. Greg,
Speaker 1: I think it's because West isn't in the office. Greg
Speaker 1: has no one to really band with. Greg and Greg
Speaker 1: and Dan back and forth. Dn't red socks. We walked
Speaker 1: into a room that had different type of construction. Dan
Speaker 1: noticed it and thought it was a big deal. Gregor
Speaker 1: care lass. There a lot of personality, you know, differences here.
Speaker 1: I really you know what you would think. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: like it, but I really appreciate your ability to be
Speaker 1: a good stinky Davis here, good job, Mark Well. I
Speaker 1: like not being the center of it. Something Usually Dan's
Speaker 1: roll coming from a man wearing a woman's shirt. Right now,
Speaker 1: I am not wearing a woman's shirt. You are. It
Speaker 1: is a NFL Network T shirt and it is labeled
Speaker 1: as a medium and it's not say that as four
Speaker 1: men or when you said it it's generally for women,
Speaker 1: and you said, hey, can I still have this? It
Speaker 1: looks fine on me. See where the cut is a
Speaker 1: little tighter up around the upper chest area and the
Speaker 1: way it hugs the upper arms. Your body is looking good.
Speaker 1: I'm not, I mean, I don't. But here downstairs, as
Speaker 1: you were making that argument, another man was walking around
Speaker 1: with the same shirt on Yeah, but I'm saying your shirt,
Speaker 1: the female version of that shirt, it is a unisex alright. Well,
Speaker 1: I disagree entirely. It is a man shirt for a man.
Speaker 1: All right. Anyway, Um, today's show is a good one.
Speaker 1: Got a lot to get to today the Friday Show,
Speaker 1: and including of course big news with the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: and a potential catastrophe for their season, uh and kind
Speaker 1: of ripping off that. We'll also now take a look
Speaker 1: at the quarterback situations the depth charts around the NFL
Speaker 1: for teams that are are in contention this season. Put
Speaker 1: it that way for playoff spots, teams that we should
Speaker 1: be uh keeping a close eye on in case they
Speaker 1: lose a quarterback. How what they look? How much trouble
Speaker 1: would they be in? Uh, So we'll do a little
Speaker 1: we'll call it the you know, backup QB Power Rankings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever we want. This podcast, by the way,
Speaker 1: is presented by New Era. I should say that as
Speaker 1: well nailed it also. The Hall of Fame induction ceremony
Speaker 1: is uh coming up this weekend in Canton, and Greg
Speaker 1: roat a banger about players, active players and the precipice
Speaker 1: of the Hall of fame themselves with a nice, little
Speaker 1: strong finish to their careers, or maybe guys that are
Speaker 1: already in in your mind the very topical. So you know,
Speaker 1: we're jumping off of news. We're talking about Canton. We've
Speaker 1: got the finger on the pulse of this league. Kind
Speaker 1: of figure this all out, kind of got it all
Speaker 1: figured out. Uh yeah, so I got all that. But
Speaker 1: before we do any of that, we will say hi
Speaker 1: to the Great Sully, the Great. Yeah, you did miss
Speaker 1: a beach body drop at the top of the shop.
Speaker 1: I was I was getting stuff ready stack in the
Speaker 1: show you're doing, you're doing. You're hustling back there, hustle
Speaker 1: and bustling. Yeah. Where would you put in terms of
Speaker 1: prep of our show compared to say, uh, the Moving
Speaker 1: Stick show. Are we talking just pure audio wise work? Oh?
Speaker 1: Double at least? Um? What about stress level? Stress level
Speaker 1: about the same. That's because DJ that in Jeremiah, he's
Speaker 1: a monster. You're not going to be ignored. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had we have had five videos, one one come out
Speaker 1: next week, four coming out today in an audio pod.
Speaker 1: So you know, Jeremiah, we didn't we didn't try to
Speaker 1: make it possible for you to promote their shows. That
Speaker 1: was a little backhanded plug. Um. Jeremiah a nice guy,
Speaker 1: son of a preacher all that. Uh, but don't don't
Speaker 1: be fooled. This guy drives up from San Diego and
Speaker 1: he basically carries around a whip. And that's what Sully's
Speaker 1: ending out right now. We can't say it, but he
Speaker 1: can't say, but we can't. I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1: Watch no djard, he asked you to do half as much,
Speaker 1: but the stress level is equal. That's concerning interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the interpersonal dynamics crumbling. How about this connect the dots.
Speaker 1: Let's listen news said back again, actually said Carrie Underwood,
Speaker 1: who could tell with vox like that? What a set
Speaker 1: of pipes on? Uh? Forget Carrie Underwood, but I definitely go,
Speaker 1: said the one woman. Mount Rushmore laid, Uh, here we go.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the big news in the NFL. Ryan Tannehill,
Speaker 1: in a practice on Thursday, rolling out of the pocket
Speaker 1: towards the sideline, plants his left foot uh to uh
Speaker 1: as he went to uh the out of bounds marker
Speaker 1: and what happens? His knee gives out. He collapses. Um. Initially,
Speaker 1: there was fears because as there are always fears in
Speaker 1: this in this sector, that he had suffered a serious
Speaker 1: knee injury, and that was the news that was hanging
Speaker 1: over the NFL for much of Thursday. Then it came
Speaker 1: out that wait a second, structurally, everything's okay with the knee.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins survive is scare. But then as day turned tonight,
Speaker 1: you started seeing the reports, uh that this is a situation.
Speaker 1: He originally hurt the knee in December of last year
Speaker 1: and they decided not to have a surgery, uh, surgical
Speaker 1: repair of it, and it might be a situation. Reported
Speaker 1: by ESPNS Adam Schefter that his left knee is a
Speaker 1: ticking time bomb, he was told by a source. So
Speaker 1: now the Dolphins are are caught greg in an in
Speaker 1: between right now, Uh, should we try to get this
Speaker 1: guy right and he's gonna be out weeks either way,
Speaker 1: or do we just shut it down, get the knee
Speaker 1: surgically repaired and then take it from there. It's a
Speaker 1: tough situation, but they have time to make this decision
Speaker 1: because if if they shut him down, that's it and
Speaker 1: the season's over. They have to be rethinking the decision
Speaker 1: that they made last December to get some stem cell
Speaker 1: therapy with Dr Andrews, not get a surgery and just
Speaker 1: have him play on that partially toward a c L
Speaker 1: because ultimately only lasted a handful of practices before he
Speaker 1: reinjured it. So I think they're in a spot where
Speaker 1: do we want to go back down that road, get
Speaker 1: him ready to play again, and who knows, next time
Speaker 1: he's on the field, the same thing might happen again,
Speaker 1: and you again just keep kicking the can down into
Speaker 1: the future. The other dynamic of this was that when
Speaker 1: we thought that Tannehill initially was in dire straits, immediately
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick's name comes up. And also because Adam Gaze
Speaker 1: has a close relationship with his player Jay Cutler, and
Speaker 1: then all that went away and we thought, well, we
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that side of it, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly back in the news, is Colin Kaepernick potentially
Speaker 1: a candidate for Miami. We know that the Dolphins owner
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross verbally supported what he did last season is
Speaker 1: protests and Jay Cutler and Gaze. According to Monald Sagalo
Speaker 1: Sagaro down in my AMMI has Gaze has reached out
Speaker 1: to Cutler. So it did a lot of moving pieces
Speaker 1: here like a little you know, Spanish accent. I did
Speaker 1: not attend to, but I know I've botched the name.
Speaker 1: He's a great reporter, a global human. Mark is um
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Miami might be the one city
Speaker 1: where Kaepernick, you could actually make a real case, could
Speaker 1: be blackballed because some of the comments he made that
Speaker 1: We're seemed supportive of Fidel Castro, and that is a
Speaker 1: major I don't need to tell anybody that that's a
Speaker 1: hot button topic. Garrow wrote a big column in the
Speaker 1: capern right in that region of the country, so he
Speaker 1: it's almost a little bit of a double hit there,
Speaker 1: whether or not that's a guy you want to bring
Speaker 1: in the building. The other point I want to make
Speaker 1: is we're not doctors. Mark. I know you were a
Speaker 1: couple of credits away from being a doctor and you
Speaker 1: decided to couple sports blogging instead. Um. But I remember
Speaker 1: back in December. It's it's striking me as a little
Speaker 1: odd when they would cut to Tannehill on the sideline
Speaker 1: and crutches and a full leg cast, and you would
Speaker 1: have the announcer saying like, oh, we talked, we talked
Speaker 1: to uh, the Dolphins coaching staff this week got him
Speaker 1: Geysa they're holding out hope that Ryan Tannell could come
Speaker 1: back later this season, and was like, Oh, that guy's
Speaker 1: messed up. So it almost seems like you from a distance,
Speaker 1: it almost could feel like they never quite grasped the
Speaker 1: severity of the injury suffered and what happened yesterday in
Speaker 1: the in the quagmire they find themselves in today, really
Speaker 1: supports that that that from the beginning, the Dolphins underestimated
Speaker 1: what a situation this is. And if the schefter sources
Speaker 1: right that his knee is a ticking time bomb, they
Speaker 1: should have gotten the thing repaired at the end of
Speaker 1: last year because then he probably would have been ready
Speaker 1: for this year. Now you have a chance to wipe
Speaker 1: out a year of the guy's prime, and it feels
Speaker 1: like it was mishandled. It feels like Ryan Tannehill is
Speaker 1: the quarterback. We will never know whether he's good enough
Speaker 1: or not. That it keeps there, keeps being a reason
Speaker 1: why they can't make a final decision on Tannehill. Most
Speaker 1: of it's been changing coaches. He's had some ups and downs.
Speaker 1: Now you've started to feel good about him under gaze
Speaker 1: and then he has the injury last year that really
Speaker 1: stopped that season. They're in a tough spot because, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you bring in Cutler. It really sounds like it
Speaker 1: could be option one for them. You know what is that? What?
Speaker 1: What kind of hold that thought? Greg? Because I think
Speaker 1: with this amazing situation going on with the Dolphins, not
Speaker 1: in a good way, but it's a it's a big
Speaker 1: storyline in the season, we should reach out to the
Speaker 1: biggest Dolphin fan we know in this building. He was
Speaker 1: just on the show on Wednesday, did a little cameo.
Speaker 1: I don't even think he's left his office since the
Speaker 1: news came down about Ryan Tannant. He has been hold
Speaker 1: up in his third floor. Um. Sweet, let's get handsome
Speaker 1: Hank on the line. Henry Hodson, you know, heartbeat away
Speaker 1: from being We have to go through his his assistant
Speaker 1: to the assistant first, right, so many levels of learance. Um,
Speaker 1: Sully's work. While Sully's working on that, UM, I just
Speaker 1: want to say, Mark, even though the shirt is a
Speaker 1: little snug up top, the way it's cut, are you
Speaker 1: looking I don't doubt that at all. Well you can
Speaker 1: pull it off right now. You got that beach back.
Speaker 1: That's also correct, there he is. I think Henry is
Speaker 1: on the line. What's up, handsome Hank? Hi, guys, how
Speaker 1: are you doing? Hey? You are you ready for the
Speaker 1: J Cutler era? Nope? I mean nothing, So you would
Speaker 1: where do you prefer the Colin Kaepernick era instead of
Speaker 1: the J. Cutler era? I mean, I don't really want
Speaker 1: any era at the moment. I just kind of want
Speaker 1: to fast forward a little bit, like probably Dan does.
Speaker 1: And already there was so much optimism. You have no
Speaker 1: hope already for this Dolphins team. I don't have no hope,
Speaker 1: but in a division with the Patriots, I just I think,
Speaker 1: you know what, what looked like a hard task already
Speaker 1: now looks like an impossible one, perhaps a little bit shocking.
Speaker 1: I would think, though, Henry, that all of us and
Speaker 1: you may also be in the scam for Sam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I though I still think you guys have I had
Speaker 1: to start the Jets. I think the Jets have a
Speaker 1: massive head start. I mean when it comes to to
Speaker 1: Matt Moore, I thought he was solid when he came
Speaker 1: in last year and would be a top seven type
Speaker 1: backup in the NFL. And my eyes, like, are you
Speaker 1: that concerned about going from Ryan Tannehill to Matt more No,
Speaker 1: I definitely agree he's a top seven backup, but that's
Speaker 1: as a backup, I think when it comes you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you're talking about a whole season with
Speaker 1: him as a starter, and you saw it a little bit.
Speaker 1: He played those three games before he got to the
Speaker 1: Steelers game, and it was pretty clear that while he
Speaker 1: was okay and those ones unserviceable, and look, let's let's
Speaker 1: be honest, he was the he was the guy that
Speaker 1: led them into the playoffs. Um, the the those guys
Speaker 1: get found out pretty quickly. And so that's why I
Speaker 1: would definitely advocate for them to bring in someone else,
Speaker 1: um Kaepernick over Cutler, probably as a as another potential starter,
Speaker 1: because I do think that for five weeks into the season,
Speaker 1: Matt Moore would be found out and uh and and
Speaker 1: you'd want to have someone else that you could put
Speaker 1: there in his place. Well, this is Gaze is a
Speaker 1: quarterback friendly coach, and I don't know if there's that.
Speaker 1: I like Ryan Tannehill a lot, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's that big of a difference between Ryan Tannell
Speaker 1: and that more if you look at the numbers in
Speaker 1: Miami for what it's worth, yards per temp completion, all
Speaker 1: of that, Matt Moore has basically got the same amount
Speaker 1: of same numbers. He's a not gonna get you beat quarterback,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of where Ryan Tannehill is. Ryan Tannell
Speaker 1: is a higher upside, but at no point as Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill had been taking over games and putting them anyway.
Speaker 1: So Henrys No, Well, you're looking at numbers, and I
Speaker 1: agree that they're probably not that different. But what Tannehill
Speaker 1: offered last year which improved, you know, immeasurably under gates,
Speaker 1: was that he was making he was making plays outside
Speaker 1: of the pocket and making things happen. I think if
Speaker 1: you look at the sort of five to ten best
Speaker 1: plays that Channehill made last season that he wasn't making
Speaker 1: any years past, it was stuff that took advantage of
Speaker 1: his athleticism and and also the fact that he had
Speaker 1: probably better receivers than he had done previously in his career,
Speaker 1: and a running game finally that got going as well.
Speaker 1: Matt Moore would benefit from that, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he has any of the athleticism or much of the
Speaker 1: athleticism that that Tannehill showed. That that made things happen,
Speaker 1: and you know they won games late in games and
Speaker 1: by small margins often because of those types of plays
Speaker 1: that Tannehill was able to make. And to Henry's point, also,
Speaker 1: you said at the beginning, Henry that uh, yes, maybe
Speaker 1: more in Tannehill. Statistically doesn't seem a lot different, but
Speaker 1: Tannehill has that higher ceiling and if he and yours
Speaker 1: always hope I would think of that Dolphin fan, if
Speaker 1: he clicked in year two and took it to the
Speaker 1: next level, then the Dolphins are legitimately frisky and maybe
Speaker 1: not better than the Pats, but they're a team that
Speaker 1: maybe they can make some noise, win a playoff game,
Speaker 1: who knows from there. But with Matt Moore, you kind
Speaker 1: of know what you're gonna get. He's gonna not gonna
Speaker 1: embarrass you, which some backup quarterbacks and we'll get to
Speaker 1: that later in this league can do. But there's definitely
Speaker 1: a ceiling in place. If Matt Moore is your quarterback. Oh,
Speaker 1: it'd say is Jake Cutler got Adam Gaze hired in Miami.
Speaker 1: I mean he had twenty five touchdowns eleven interceptions. That
Speaker 1: was the year where people thought, well, you know Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler's turned the corner at age thirty three is gonna
Speaker 1: become an m v P. Everyone talking about it. That
Speaker 1: was unrealistic. I can see the one quarterback that is
Speaker 1: a long time started that I'd much rather see in
Speaker 1: the announcers booth than on the field. I don't need
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler back in my life. I'm also not convinced
Speaker 1: that he's not tacked on forty pounds Maurice Jones through
Speaker 1: retirement workout plan. Whoa wait a minute, keep out of
Speaker 1: that Bunsen burner blow to yah. I would love to
Speaker 1: see Cutler or Kaepernick. I kind of like that gaze
Speaker 1: made it very clear they're gonna bring in someone if
Speaker 1: Tanne hills her, I mean, he said Matt Moore is
Speaker 1: our guy for now, and I think they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: in either one of those stories is fun. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I had finally given up the ghost on Jay Cutler,
Speaker 1: but now they can bring It's gonna be brock Oswalder
Speaker 1: by the way, Henry. So many ghosts, somebody ghosts with Greg.
Speaker 1: The Haunted mansion is full with Ryan Tannehill. You didn't
Speaker 1: give up that ghost, and now you've got Jay Cutler. Involved.
Speaker 1: You got Gino Smith up in Jersey at a ghosts
Speaker 1: flying around, got Frank Gore ghost in all the way
Speaker 1: that can All right, Henry, Uh you wanna uh want
Speaker 1: to get some lunch after this? Yeah, let's get lunch. Cool.
Speaker 1: Greg's gonna come to I would never miss out on
Speaker 1: what's that place called? Will you come to? I am
Speaker 1: unavailable today because wearing a shirt that's for women. Marc
Speaker 1: also doesn't like food, so that was that's the biggest
Speaker 1: mark on Monday, and so he's good for the moment,
Speaker 1: all right, by Henry. Alright, moving on, So we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff too, and we'll figure out what
Speaker 1: happens next um with the Dolphins, and it might even
Speaker 1: be an update before this podcast goes live. But that's
Speaker 1: what we know right now. Moving on some other tough,
Speaker 1: tough injury news. This the Los Angeles Chargers who seemed
Speaker 1: to be snake bit with injuries or maybe it's something
Speaker 1: to do with their staff, how they treat their place,
Speaker 1: who knows, But now they're down a rookie offensive lineman
Speaker 1: Forest Lamp and it is coincidence, ironic, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but just earlier this week on this very podcast, Mr
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. Speaking of Greg Rosenthal, by the way, welcome back.
Speaker 1: You were on a Wednesday show because you were doing
Speaker 1: your duties out in the field once again. Ha girl,
Speaker 1: ha girl, Is that who I thank you? Yeah? Girl?
Speaker 1: Is that NFL Networks Greg Rosenthal? Yea girl, it is.
Speaker 1: Oh he nasty? You are nasty, Greig the Great Jason
Speaker 1: Zumwaltz by the way, right there. Anyway, on Monday's show,
Speaker 1: Greg was here and he we were talking about their
Speaker 1: their wide receiver injury issues, but Greg was talking about
Speaker 1: the offensive line situation. If they lost their second pick
Speaker 1: Forest Lamp or their third pick Phoenie, who supposed started
Speaker 1: centers like those, I think would be more hurtful to
Speaker 1: their team because those two guys are really the key
Speaker 1: of helping to fix that offensive line, rookie starters in
Speaker 1: the middle. And uh so, Greg, you made that, you
Speaker 1: made that comment. And then the guy, poor guy blows
Speaker 1: out his A C L and his right knee on
Speaker 1: Wednesday and his season's over. Yeah, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't need that thirty to forty tweets blaming me for
Speaker 1: Jinx and the guy give me a break? Who is
Speaker 1: supporting the Chargers more than me. I'm on team Chargers.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that Forest Lamp is hurt. I mean he
Speaker 1: had he had played I read something like ten straight
Speaker 1: years without a single injury in the joy Chargers and
Speaker 1: tears his a c l that's stuff. And and the
Speaker 1: reason you said that is because this is not a
Speaker 1: team that can deal with too many uh too many
Speaker 1: injuries on that line. I mean, what are we gonna
Speaker 1: do here? What if if it's gonna be a turnstyle
Speaker 1: on that line? All these like already seemed a little
Speaker 1: overly optimistic viewpoint about this team. I would say, but now,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have a bad line, forget a abut it.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is gonna regress like he did at the
Speaker 1: end of the last year. We're getting in there, Kenny Wiggins,
Speaker 1: who knows. And it's a good thing they drafted Dan Feenie.
Speaker 1: I mean that that that's DJ's I think second interior
Speaker 1: linement in the draft this year, behind behind the boy
Speaker 1: they got hurt. Your boy, Tom Dalsco, their general manager,
Speaker 1: is getting a second chance. Forest lamps Lamp, who was
Speaker 1: some people they really liked as the first things first round,
Speaker 1: tell you pick Tom Talasco. This is his second chance
Speaker 1: to rebuild the Chargers offensive line from scratch. He received
Speaker 1: a post show grade of D minus. I would say,
Speaker 1: for the first time around, basically none of it worked,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's not working now, all right. And other
Speaker 1: news in the a f C. This is kind of
Speaker 1: a weird little story Martavis Bryant and I'm gonna admit
Speaker 1: in our little pre Pride meeting, when I came across this,
Speaker 1: I was stunned. I thought Martavis Bryant was back. I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be on the Steelers this year.
Speaker 1: I thought he got reinstated and I missed something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But according to the Pittsburgh Post is at
Speaker 1: in NFL spokesman um said that Martinos Bryant has yet
Speaker 1: to receive full reinstatement to the NFL because he has
Speaker 1: not yet satisfied the league's requirements. Um. So that means
Speaker 1: that Martinos Bryan still out of the mix and we
Speaker 1: don't actually know if he's actually going to be playing
Speaker 1: for this team. That's a surprise, Mark it is it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, this came out a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: but it does not surprise me at any point when
Speaker 1: the NFL takes its sweet time with these suspensions and
Speaker 1: the layers and the chapters to them. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of these players there that what it takes to get
Speaker 1: back onto the field. We just don't have the details
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of why or why it's happening. But
Speaker 1: it's very rare that he was conditionally reinstated, that he
Speaker 1: was in in the facility and all that, but he
Speaker 1: can't practice. I mean, I can't remember us if they
Speaker 1: say it's not a setback, exactly like that, they said,
Speaker 1: he has to satisfy all the requirements. The Post Gazette
Speaker 1: suggests it may involve arrangement for clinical resources, but it's
Speaker 1: important for that. Yeah, So keep an eye in that
Speaker 1: situation of Pittsburgh. Moving on the Cleveland brown Oh a
Speaker 1: little Brownies talk, and I'll tell you what Shuan Kaiser.
Speaker 1: The Buzzes building in Brea Barria. You know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the building your complex on an Indian barrel ground that
Speaker 1: is no longer to be an issue. Maybe all the
Speaker 1: demons are exercised because DeShawn Kaiser has got people excited.
Speaker 1: Veteran beat reporter Mary Mary kay Cabot of the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Plain Dealer wrote that Kaiser, the rookie second round pick,
Speaker 1: not only one the first seven days of training camp.
Speaker 1: Quote it's not even close. Of course, Uh Kaiser UH
Speaker 1: is battling cod Cody Kessler and Brock Osweiler to uh
Speaker 1: to be the starter for the Browns this season. But
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, here's my question, and I know this happens
Speaker 1: all the time. A guy gets drafted in April, and
Speaker 1: the and the whole thing is it's a really nice pick,
Speaker 1: a great develop mental pick, and they fast forward three
Speaker 1: months and all of a sudden, it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy is now ready week one. Do you have any
Speaker 1: concerns Mark, that they might get overly excited and put
Speaker 1: a guy in the lineup before he's actually ready just
Speaker 1: because they want something fresh and shiny and new to
Speaker 1: build a team around. Sure, because they it may not
Speaker 1: be hard to be heads and tails the best quarterback
Speaker 1: on the field when you're when your competition is Cody
Speaker 1: Kesseler and Brock Osweiler. I think what they love about
Speaker 1: him Probably they're seeing if you're if you're a writer,
Speaker 1: you're watching these practices. You're seeing the arms strength, you're
Speaker 1: seeing the size. A lot of the quarterbacks in Cleveland
Speaker 1: have been sort of whether it's Kessler or it's Colt McCoy,
Speaker 1: sort of popgun arms, smaller dudes that don't look like
Speaker 1: you're Ben Roethlisberger's and the rest of the division. Kaiser
Speaker 1: looks the part, and I think, honestly, for some of
Speaker 1: these people to cover the team for a decade plus,
Speaker 1: they so want a quarterback to be the guy, to
Speaker 1: almost wish cast him into the role. And so I
Speaker 1: like that. I do also think though that that you know,
Speaker 1: he's obviously practiced. Well, it's so mature. There's a scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Isn't play in the preseason at all at all? There's
Speaker 1: a scrimmage today, and you know it's happening. It looks
Speaker 1: like in a rain storm with the way that showed
Speaker 1: the scene a few minutes ago. If it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: kick off in a couple of hours, I want to
Speaker 1: see that. I want to see him in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I I am. I do think it's an interesting person
Speaker 1: to have in the mix. If it were just Kessler
Speaker 1: and Osweiler, very little reason for excitement. Who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe this is looking too far ahead, but maybe I mean,
Speaker 1: if he could have a solid season. It's like maybe
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not even looking for a quarterback next year.
Speaker 1: And it's not that crazy. I mean, the thing is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Trabisky goes to Kaiser goes forty eight. None of that
Speaker 1: means anything right now. You know, Derek Carr was taken
Speaker 1: in the second round, had a good rookie year. Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick was taken in the second round, was good the
Speaker 1: second he hit the field. And he Dalton was taken
Speaker 1: in the second round, was a pretty good rookie. So
Speaker 1: who knows Kaiser is the man? Sounds good. Take the
Speaker 1: Browns out of the quarterback mix in the first round
Speaker 1: next year. This Jet fans signs off in that, but
Speaker 1: you would sign off to of it meant that Kaiser
Speaker 1: looked good this year. I don't care when it happens.
Speaker 1: I needed to happen in DJ still thinks brock Asweiler
Speaker 1: is gonna be Week one starter. I don't know why
Speaker 1: he thinks that, but that's why he thinks. I do
Speaker 1: have some breaking news. By the way. Sixteen hours ago,
Speaker 1: August third, sev PM, Mark Sessler's dispatch on Twitter. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you've reeled me again and again Brown's I'm officially fired
Speaker 1: up to see Kaiser in action, noted Mark. I saw
Speaker 1: your response to that where you you know you time
Speaker 1: stamped it and said it will be on your radar.
Speaker 1: I want to be a bad way. I wonder Natie
Speaker 1: likes for that. I want to be excited. I would
Speaker 1: I would like to go into the football season with
Speaker 1: some sense of optimism about the team that I followed
Speaker 1: for thirty years. I'm not sure this is the way in,
Speaker 1: but it's the only door I see at the moment.
Speaker 1: Reason to see you being a little more honest with yourself,
Speaker 1: because because let's be real, you're gonna be You're excited
Speaker 1: either way. Now you're just allowing the public to know
Speaker 1: it instead of it eating you from within the in
Speaker 1: eyed out like the monsters from within. You are now
Speaker 1: openly saying this team matters to me. I care about them,
Speaker 1: I need them to win. And this is a much
Speaker 1: healthier aspect and it's and it's worked out so well
Speaker 1: in the past that I don't see anything but good
Speaker 1: times ahead. I feel like last year when you were
Speaker 1: saying that you weren't invested, it was almost like an
Speaker 1: ulcer that was growing with every loss. Inside you, this optimism,
Speaker 1: this openness. I think it will be better for your
Speaker 1: internal I hope your guts. I mean, you know it's time.
Speaker 1: Enough is enough? Um? So anyway, Yes, everyone's excited to
Speaker 1: see Deshaun Kaiser preseason right around the corner. So we'll
Speaker 1: see where the Browns uh fit him in on their
Speaker 1: pecking order. Uh. Moving on, speaking at quarterbacks that are
Speaker 1: top there um depth chart, Blake Bortles has had his
Speaker 1: trouble we talked about. He had the five interceptions in
Speaker 1: a practice earlier this week. Uh, you know, he's almost
Speaker 1: become it's almost kind of become shorthand um in a
Speaker 1: pejorative sense for being a bad quarterback. The guys are
Speaker 1: real Bortles. He Bortles day today out there and things
Speaker 1: like this. But play into that. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just something Cam Jordan might say. Let's see
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan's said, you know, a proposed nothing And nobody
Speaker 1: was talking about the Jaguars. It was a question about
Speaker 1: Drew Brees and how he helps the Saints on defense.
Speaker 1: And here's what Cam had to say. You know, um,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're not gonna face a more of a
Speaker 1: top tier quarterback than Drew Um and that rapidly helps
Speaker 1: some of the learning curve we're talking about. You know,
Speaker 1: you know Drew was able to look somebody off or
Speaker 1: see something down the down the field and able to
Speaker 1: adjust those throws. Um, that's only gonna help their young corners.
Speaker 1: When talk about the linebacker of corps, Uh, you talk
Speaker 1: about man t Tail, You talking about a j clein
Speaker 1: Craig Robertson. Um, you're talking about Steph who's entering his
Speaker 1: third year. Uh, we're just talking about going against her offense.
Speaker 1: It can only help. I mean, it's not like we're
Speaker 1: going against Blake Borrows here. You know, it's not It's
Speaker 1: not like drews giving picks away. We're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy who's a perennial elite. All Right, a couple of
Speaker 1: things here. Let's calm down a little bit about Drew
Speaker 1: Brees helping the Saints defense so much, the same unit
Speaker 1: that finished first and thirty one in a most, he's
Speaker 1: just begun to help them. At most, that's just happening.
Speaker 1: Imagine he may be beating them down so badly they
Speaker 1: have no con Maybe, I mean, what would happen if
Speaker 1: that's what the defense looks like with their secret weapon
Speaker 1: Drew Brees helping them in practice. What would be like
Speaker 1: if Blake Bortles was there anyway? So that was on
Speaker 1: my radar a little bit. But Mark, the other thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, Lee Blake out of it. He's got enough
Speaker 1: going on, He's got enough battles. I'll say this, by
Speaker 1: doing what we do here, I would say a thousand
Speaker 1: times at least a name or something slipped out of
Speaker 1: my mouth where I thought, my god, I wish I
Speaker 1: hadn't just name dropped that person or done that. But
Speaker 1: I don't understand where like a player. Usually don't hear
Speaker 1: players ripping on the quarterback. Let's rip some more this,
Speaker 1: let's let's have some ripping. He seems unnecessary. In the
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, you read those these old football books.
Speaker 1: They used to rip each other all the time and
Speaker 1: talk about honest like who's good, Who's who's bad. This
Speaker 1: is what we want out of our players. You know,
Speaker 1: we criticize him for not talking up enough. It is.
Speaker 1: It is kind of a professional wrestling hook to it all.
Speaker 1: I get that, which made me makes sense because I
Speaker 1: remember interviewing Cam Jordan was a rookie in this building.
Speaker 1: His father his name was Blank Jordan's. Does anybody remember
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan's father, Steve No, maybe, sorry, this is where
Speaker 1: you gotta be hammering that laptop, you know, helping out
Speaker 1: the old host Minnesota Vikings tight end. I remember that.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Forest Lamp. Anyway it was, it
Speaker 1: was Blank Jordan's. Uh. If you are a wrestling fan
Speaker 1: from the early nineties, you'll remember an amazing classic vignette
Speaker 1: of Mr Steve Jordan good job um uh. Mr Perfect,
Speaker 1: the great nineties wrestler of w WF, did a vignette
Speaker 1: where he was Mr Perfect. So I was doing sports exploits,
Speaker 1: like he shot a hole in one, he hit a
Speaker 1: grand Slam, and then to cap it off, he was
Speaker 1: with Steve Jordan's and he throw Mr Perfect through an
Speaker 1: eight yard bomb and then caught it himself for for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Rest in peace, Kurt Henning. But I asked
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan about that. Your dad was in a famous
Speaker 1: w WF skit and He's like, yeah, I was there
Speaker 1: that day, and I was like, oh, so maybe he's
Speaker 1: a wrestling fan and he's rampant. Maybe he's leading the
Speaker 1: revolution here. If he's pulling from that world. I I
Speaker 1: can get behind it all right. Moving on the Patriots
Speaker 1: quick trip to the throne of these quick trip. They
Speaker 1: were getting killed in the blogs yesterday because somebody tweeted out, um,
Speaker 1: their season ticket package. Uh, first lost they've had in
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, it's true. It's fair. Um their season
Speaker 1: ticket package, which included if you purchase season tickets, tickets
Speaker 1: to the a f C Championship game and the divisional playoffs. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was seen seen by some Greg is very
Speaker 1: arrogant that you would. Now. I know you've been very successful,
Speaker 1: but now you are just assuming you're playing hosting home
Speaker 1: games in the dial playoffs. In AFC title, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it said game Playoff game two. So they have a
Speaker 1: buy too. Yeah. So there they are. Not only yeah,
Speaker 1: they are also there is no home date for the
Speaker 1: wild card round. Got on my radar and I know
Speaker 1: seven straight buys. Greg, I get it. Congratulations, that's significant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just fat fingers Sully, just
Speaker 1: like face planted on the drop cut, I'll cut that out.
Speaker 1: I was no, no, please leave it, No, no, I
Speaker 1: was putting radar. You're not cutting anything out anyway. It
Speaker 1: turns out, though Patriots or evil, I think it's where
Speaker 1: you were going. Yeah, well, the not including the wild
Speaker 1: card game, that that's a little to quote a as
Speaker 1: Sesslers and that's beyond the pale. But the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter is that it is more a housekeeping issue.
Speaker 1: Is it turned out after doing some digging that teams
Speaker 1: uh fans have the option like a pay as they
Speaker 1: advanced option where they get locked into the ticket and
Speaker 1: media is as a team advances Patriots just to save
Speaker 1: some postage mail. The tickets that can become like kind
Speaker 1: of relics or not relics can become basically alternate histories
Speaker 1: in a way if they don't actually host those games.
Speaker 1: So I can't really kill them for that. But the
Speaker 1: no wild card game, you know, come on a little aggressive.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's New England. It's the New
Speaker 1: England Patriots scenario. Now, Greg, aren't other teams doing stuff
Speaker 1: like this? I don't know the playoff tickets. It seems
Speaker 1: like one of those things. They're just the raiders. There
Speaker 1: we go. I think it was fair. I was just
Speaker 1: pointing out. The funnier thing to me is that there
Speaker 1: was no wild card. Are the Jets shipping playoff tickets
Speaker 1: to their fans. I don't even know the Jets of
Speaker 1: shipping tickets. I think they're just saying, let's move forward.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a while. Two thousand nine was
Speaker 1: the last season where they did have a wild card
Speaker 1: game where they were part of That's what do you want, Greg,
Speaker 1: You want us to say, Yeah, it's been a great run. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's been great. Greg. You guys have done something really
Speaker 1: special President even unprecedented. Uh. Finally in the news the season,
Speaker 1: we had our first action of the NFL season. The
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Game took place in Canton. Uh a
Speaker 1: eighteen Cowboys victory over the Arizona Cardinals. Big come from
Speaker 1: behind effort I believe by the Cowboys. I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: missed it, I can't can't vouch for it, but a
Speaker 1: real come from behind effort. Mark, I know you were
Speaker 1: plugged in on the game. I watched I'd say seven
Speaker 1: percent of it. Do you want to tell us some
Speaker 1: of your takeaways? One takeaway I have is that people
Speaker 1: probably opened I know that I opened the game ripping
Speaker 1: on the fact that the first NFL pass thrown all
Speaker 1: season was by blamee Gabbert that that felt very ominous
Speaker 1: to me concerning for all of us played very well,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's one worthless preseason game. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to wonder what arians has been doing with
Speaker 1: him all offseason. I thought your boy can d J indeed,
Speaker 1: chicken D chicken d d J, d J d J
Speaker 1: salivation and com me. In August, Kia did not get
Speaker 1: the veteran pass, as con Roor wrote, because you know,
Speaker 1: normally you see all these guys are on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: helmets off. I don't even know why they put guys
Speaker 1: like Carson Palmer and Larry Fitzgerald. Why do you make
Speaker 1: them wear football pads in this game? They're never going
Speaker 1: to see the field under any condition, they will not play.
Speaker 1: Why are you making them dress up in this scarp? Uh?
Speaker 1: They're all the things happened. But what got on my
Speaker 1: radar today was that that the two of you during
Speaker 1: our pre production meeting, I thought, you know, let's have
Speaker 1: a robust conversation about the first football game of the year.
Speaker 1: No one bothered to watch the thing except me. By
Speaker 1: the final Okay, I have a little I want to
Speaker 1: prepare statements, so I don't get I wanted to tell
Speaker 1: you how I feel about this. You need the missive music,
Speaker 1: sure prepared statement about the Hall of Fame game tank
Speaker 1: job done by my colleagues. I was prepared to have
Speaker 1: an in depth conversation today about the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1: After closely rotching roughly of the preseason opener in Canton, Ohio,
Speaker 1: I was stunned to discover during our pre production meeting
Speaker 1: that nobody else in this room took pains to watch
Speaker 1: even a minute of the game Get your Act Together,
Speaker 1: bro get Track. I find it appalling that I am
Speaker 1: the only one who tapped into my personal well spring
Speaker 1: of professionalism at the workplace to closely monitor. Again, it
Speaker 1: was roundly ignored by our colleagues. One statement on that
Speaker 1: get your Act Together, Brock. One statement for Greg, get
Speaker 1: your Act together, Brot. One statement for Dan, get your
Speaker 1: Act Together, broe Track. One statement for the level of
Speaker 1: professionalism in the American workplace shown by hobby Horses, skipping
Speaker 1: a deeply meaningful start to the season. Get your Act together, bro,
Speaker 1: get Track, Get your act together, bro get Trap, Get
Speaker 1: your act together, Bro get Track, Get your act together,
Speaker 1: bro Mark, furiously pointing that Sully with pit stains below
Speaker 1: and my woman's sho cut higher. It is thank you
Speaker 1: A couple of thoughts here. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: would have reacted in previous preseasons, where where I'm carrying
Speaker 1: you up and down the show with all the Friday
Speaker 1: night Saturday night games I'm watching, I'm talking. You want
Speaker 1: to talk about radar? You are on Greg's radar. I'll
Speaker 1: give you a break not calling you out for that
Speaker 1: number two. Uh yeah, yesterday it was a big day,
Speaker 1: the final day of my daughter Elis is Pollywogs swimming class. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: for the third street times she was held back. She's
Speaker 1: gonna be re entering Pollywog again, but it was still
Speaker 1: big day. Had to go to the last class and
Speaker 1: we celebrated with the milkshake afterwards. Some things are listen,
Speaker 1: get some priorities, not you know, not a natural swimmer.
Speaker 1: I think it's nice to spend time with your children.
Speaker 1: I sat home and watched the game with Luke and
Speaker 1: Colton and it was actually a nice experience. It's so
Speaker 1: one of the first games, so they started to have
Speaker 1: questions about what they were scene was quite quite a
Speaker 1: good time. Dan. I suggest you try the same, and
Speaker 1: I will just say I will just say that for
Speaker 1: all your seven study of the game, the only thing
Speaker 1: that you took away was that Blaine Gabbert started can
Speaker 1: DJ played snaps and Larry Fitzgerald was not wearing his
Speaker 1: unif or was wearing his uniform fully, which kind of
Speaker 1: got on your radarsad. I came away with a larger
Speaker 1: picture view of why did they put these players in
Speaker 1: these uniforms when they will not play? You know, I
Speaker 1: read I read Connor or is what we learned to like,
Speaker 1: You're not fooling anyone. Why don't you check my Twitter timeline, buddy,
Speaker 1: I was tweeting comments about the game. Greg. This is
Speaker 1: Greg's nightmare to have not watched the game and be
Speaker 1: called out for it. So he's coming back strong and
Speaker 1: I'll listen every word of it. I love this. This
Speaker 1: is good. Um all right, that's it. That's it, and
Speaker 1: I should once again eighteen win for the Cowboys, a
Speaker 1: real squeaker for America's team. Um, let's you know what,
Speaker 1: g get my act together, let's move on, and let's
Speaker 1: talk about all right. So we were saying, uh, oh boy,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins were in trouble. Um, but there are teams
Speaker 1: that would be in a lot more trouble than the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: uh if they lost their starting quarterback. And let's face it,
Speaker 1: this is a brutal game. It is a it is
Speaker 1: a physical game. Uh, it is a game where quarterbacks
Speaker 1: get hurt all the time. I hate to say it.
Speaker 1: If you're you know, a hardcore football fan, there's a
Speaker 1: decent chance that what your star quarterback can go down
Speaker 1: to miss team time this year. So we thought, maybe
Speaker 1: let's take a look in terms of teams that you
Speaker 1: know are either knocking on the door, were playoff teams
Speaker 1: last year, teams that people are buzzing about this year.
Speaker 1: Um uh, let's look at their quarterback situations behind the
Speaker 1: starter and kind of power rank where they are. And
Speaker 1: I guess a good place to start is at the top.
Speaker 1: And we'll I'll throw out a bunch of names here
Speaker 1: and then we can all kind of figure it out
Speaker 1: and put put it into some tears that um we
Speaker 1: have set up here. But the first right now, I
Speaker 1: think and I think this person is alone Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: with his limited experience uh in the NFL, but just
Speaker 1: the buzz around him, how he has played when he's
Speaker 1: gotten into the game. Uh, the fact that people are
Speaker 1: there's even some reports earlier this summer that there's not
Speaker 1: a big drop off when he replaces Tom Brady. There
Speaker 1: is a general feeling that it's like a Joe Montana
Speaker 1: Steve Young situation and going on right here. Now, it's
Speaker 1: way premature to say that, but that's how people feel.
Speaker 1: And I think that he has done enough on the
Speaker 1: field to tell us greg that he's kind of in
Speaker 1: his own class right now in terms of, uh, the
Speaker 1: number one backup quarterback you could live with if your
Speaker 1: guy went down. He stands out as the one backup
Speaker 1: that feels like he has potential to be a eight
Speaker 1: starter that the Patriots might consider using the franchise tag
Speaker 1: on him. Usually there's a few more guys like this
Speaker 1: actually with like okay, big time potential waiting in the wings,
Speaker 1: But right now, any of those guys are actually competing
Speaker 1: to start, Like Deshaun Watson, he has a chance to
Speaker 1: actually start, Deshaun Kaiser. There's really not any of those
Speaker 1: trendy backup cool quarterbacks out there. I mean, he's locked
Speaker 1: into the spot. But I believe what Bill Belichick has
Speaker 1: said about him, and I believe in their own actions
Speaker 1: that they refused. They probably were offered an absolute mountain
Speaker 1: by Cleveland and maybe another team for his services, and
Speaker 1: they didn't want to choose. They didn't want to make
Speaker 1: that trade, and they may live to regret it. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone is now just assuming this guy is going to be, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a Pro Bowl, all pro type guy. We
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's safe say, as far as this
Speaker 1: exercise goes, you feel okay, the Paton Brady has his way.
Speaker 1: This guy will never play, will never hit the field.
Speaker 1: This tricky situation in New England, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1: How are they going to make this work? Garoppolo keeps on.
Speaker 1: This is his fourth year in the league. Now, right
Speaker 1: at some point they're gonna have to make a decision.
Speaker 1: But we'll see where that goes. Anyway. So now let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about Matt more So. Matt Moore is a
Speaker 1: guy not in Garoppolo's tier. Garoppo's younger, He's got the
Speaker 1: upside things more I believe his thirty three, thirty four,
Speaker 1: he's in that range at this point. But Gregor Mark,
Speaker 1: every time he's gotten in the lineup, um, he has
Speaker 1: done the job and taking care of business. He got
Speaker 1: the Dolphins to the playoffs in Tannehill went down last year.
Speaker 1: So our second tier hold the ft. These are guys
Speaker 1: that can if your quarterback miss is a month, you
Speaker 1: can expect to go around five hundred and he'll play
Speaker 1: a steady man or maybe win a game for you
Speaker 1: if he gets hot. Hold the fourth guy. He might
Speaker 1: be at the top of that list, but far below Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: but also really a good guy to have. So the
Speaker 1: Dolphins could be in a worse situation right now. It's
Speaker 1: only last season that we have any evidence of what
Speaker 1: Matt Moore has been at this time because he Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannhill started sixteen games for four straight seasons before last year.
Speaker 1: But in also Matt Matt Moore annoyed me at a
Speaker 1: couple of times back in previous free agency sessions where
Speaker 1: he had a chance to go potentially start for a
Speaker 1: lower level team like a New York Jets or Cleveland
Speaker 1: or something, and he didn't want to. He wanted to
Speaker 1: stay in Miami and keep the backup job. And no,
Speaker 1: of course I think that life in overall quality of
Speaker 1: life probably came into that decision. But last year, as
Speaker 1: Henry said before, when he came in. He essentially did
Speaker 1: pull them into the playoffs by not being a liability.
Speaker 1: It was better than people think. I think he Gaze
Speaker 1: Ghill trust Gaze trusts him. They need to get another
Speaker 1: body in there potentially. But like if he had played
Speaker 1: in his month playing, how Ryan Tannehill played in his
Speaker 1: first month playing for Adam Gates. But no one, no
Speaker 1: one brings up that Ryan Tannell Hill was abysmal, probably
Speaker 1: the worst month of his career the first month of
Speaker 1: last season. More came in there and and he made
Speaker 1: good decisions. He made some big plays, embarrassed your Jets.
Speaker 1: Not that that was too unique, but he wasn't even
Speaker 1: the playoff game was not his fault. Uh, there was
Speaker 1: twenty one nothing before he barely had the ball, he
Speaker 1: had no protection or in the game. Watch that game
Speaker 1: got killed and that he was fine. He was fine,
Speaker 1: He was showed some toughness. You can't embarrass the team
Speaker 1: with no pride, so you just beat up on the Jets.
Speaker 1: You know, it was that Monday night. It was you
Speaker 1: remember that it was a weapon and they all kind
Speaker 1: of blended together after a while. Um, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: down a list now, you tell me if they deserve
Speaker 1: to be in the hold. The fort tier, I want
Speaker 1: to I want you to know. The blow tier is
Speaker 1: the honey, take your kids to the mother, to your
Speaker 1: mother's tier, which is things are getting bad. It's it's abysmal,
Speaker 1: your seasons in trouble. Below that tier, Honey, you take
Speaker 1: your kids to your mother's so you're your mother. You're
Speaker 1: separated with you from Get to higher ground, get to
Speaker 1: safe ground. I hope to see you again. I may
Speaker 1: never see you again. It's not a relationship issue, and
Speaker 1: it's say potential, like an apocalyp Okay, mom, take the
Speaker 1: kids for the weekend. That's like, honey, get the kids,
Speaker 1: packed them up, get to your mother's place, which is
Speaker 1: probably upstate or something, and just stay there and I'll
Speaker 1: meet up with you. But you don't in your head,
Speaker 1: you don't know if you'll ever make you're sacrificing yourself.
Speaker 1: You're in the low lin land, right. You want get
Speaker 1: your mother's and don't honey, honey, don't, don't say anything.
Speaker 1: Just just do it. It's quite a narrative you built
Speaker 1: for this group of quarterbacks. That's a bad place. There
Speaker 1: is a worse place than that. The tear is called
Speaker 1: you banged. No, not even a chance to evacuate. It's
Speaker 1: basically the season is ova. So that's those are the
Speaker 1: tears you have. Um should be a starter or the
Speaker 1: throne of ease. That's called this tier, the throne of
Speaker 1: let's be honest and garoppos by himself. Isn't it funny
Speaker 1: how the Patriots have the number one backup quarterbacks. It is.
Speaker 1: It's a testament obviously to what they've been able to
Speaker 1: build that organization. But it's also a little it's hideos,
Speaker 1: So you got admit it's a little annoying. I would
Speaker 1: be completely annoyed with the Patriots if I was not
Speaker 1: a fan of them anyway. So throwne of these hold
Speaker 1: the Ford guys, honey, take the kids to your mother's
Speaker 1: and you banged. So I'm gonna go down the list here.
Speaker 1: Now A J mccaren is he hold the Ford guy
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. He's one of the best Hold the
Speaker 1: Fort guys. He he is one of I said, there
Speaker 1: weren't many young quarterbacks with potential. He had the very
Speaker 1: least as a potential to pick kind of a mid
Speaker 1: tier starter like a like a Kirk Cousins or Nany
Speaker 1: Dalton type, another guy that you know there was trade
Speaker 1: interest around him. So that tells How about oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Derek Anderson of the Panthers hold the fort?
Speaker 1: How doney you take it? Take the kids to your mothers.
Speaker 1: I think he's proven that he's he can hold the fort.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many more years he can do that,
Speaker 1: But every time Cam Newton's had to step out of
Speaker 1: the line up, Derek Anderson has come in and done fine.
Speaker 1: So so in this scenario, Derrick Anderson is so strong
Speaker 1: he can protect your kids. I'm not really sure how
Speaker 1: it were. The kids are out, the kids are gone.
Speaker 1: They are safe, but that doesn't mean all as well.
Speaker 1: They're safe for now. But you're saying they're above that
Speaker 1: to hold the forts. Like I like Derek Anderson. I
Speaker 1: felt bad for him that one game where he threw
Speaker 1: one Do you guys remember he threw one pass in
Speaker 1: place of Cam Newton, who had been benched for wearing
Speaker 1: a tie or not wearing a tie, and Mike Tilbert
Speaker 1: dropped the pass. He threw one pass. It was an
Speaker 1: interception against the Seahawks. That was it over one interception.
Speaker 1: It's an embarrassing game. He's not in your bang territory.
Speaker 1: That's for now. I like him. Also, it actually makes sense,
Speaker 1: although that wasn't the intention. Hold the fort is Hey,
Speaker 1: I can protect this house. Kids coming out of the backyard. Obviously,
Speaker 1: let's lock the doors, batting down the hatchets. But you know,
Speaker 1: I got this under control. That's the difference. How about
Speaker 1: nick Foles in Philly? Nick Foles in an offense that
Speaker 1: he's familiar with. I think that was a good signing.
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like he's a Matt Moore type
Speaker 1: where he'll have a solid five six games for you.
Speaker 1: Maybe don't want him start in the whole season. Very
Speaker 1: up and down on nick Foles, but he again the
Speaker 1: difference between holds good and you bang. I mean he's
Speaker 1: not in he's Are the kids staying at home or
Speaker 1: are you going upstate with the kids. I will allow
Speaker 1: the kids to stay at home with pick Foles's gonna
Speaker 1: hold the fort? Yeah? Oh again, feel a little shaky
Speaker 1: about but a miss missing a month of time your QB. One,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go too, and two maybe the schedule breaks right,
Speaker 1: you go three and one you're feeling okay. If it
Speaker 1: really breaks right, you can tie the all time NFL
Speaker 1: record for touchdowns in a game, like Nick foleson saying,
Speaker 1: is that a snowstorm? No? Against the Raiders just dialed up?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It feels like it was two lifetimes.
Speaker 1: Gil said that to touch at interception ratio, which we'll
Speaker 1: never see again. Anyway, How about this, Greg, This is
Speaker 1: a tough one for you. I know your boy Geno Smith,
Speaker 1: New York Giants backup quarterback. Uh is he a hold
Speaker 1: the Ford guy? I think he could put You could
Speaker 1: really sign on for any of them? I feel like
Speaker 1: hold the fort only taking kids to your mother? You banged?
Speaker 1: I would accept arguments for all three. Where do you
Speaker 1: come down? Mark? You banged? Oh? I listen. I don't
Speaker 1: need to believe in Geno Smith. I simply do not.
Speaker 1: How dare you be smirched? Eugene? Your guy, Eugene Cyril
Speaker 1: Smith the Thirds What great name? Well, let's remember, let's
Speaker 1: dial it back to tooth. Wasn't in thirteen when Gino
Speaker 1: Smith was a rookie quarterback. I wanted to keep this
Speaker 1: spot under an hour. But starting for a team that
Speaker 1: one eight games, and he did a lot of good things.
Speaker 1: He was a solid quarterback. He might be. Here's a
Speaker 1: new category for you. Oh sorry, kids, you're back. Let
Speaker 1: me write this down. Oh sorry kids, go ahead, Sorry kids,
Speaker 1: Gino might be better than your quote unquote Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame quarterback that's starting now, Come on, Greg, that is
Speaker 1: too much. You've gone too far with that. This is
Speaker 1: a guy that essentially seemed to have no friends in
Speaker 1: his own locker room with the Jets. I think it's
Speaker 1: not just the on field stuff. I don't buy Geno
Speaker 1: Smith as an NFL starter. I don't think he even
Speaker 1: wants to an NFL starter. Here's the category. Sorry, kids, Daddy.
Speaker 1: Eli may not be coming home. Elis staying home. He
Speaker 1: might be reclined on the chair at this point, just
Speaker 1: watching TV, but he's not going anywhere. Um. I think
Speaker 1: I all a lot of Gino. Of course I would
Speaker 1: hit put him at the very bottom of hold the
Speaker 1: fort right right straddling the line of taking the kids.
Speaker 1: You can see the nuclear bomb coming right at the
Speaker 1: front door of the house. That's some respect from a
Speaker 1: man who's watched a lot of Gino Smith have moments.
Speaker 1: But but no, let's have watched enough Gino Smith. Greig
Speaker 1: moving the goalpost a little bit right here because a
Speaker 1: year ago, this time you're talking that he could be
Speaker 1: a starter in this league. He fitted The last time
Speaker 1: we saw him play was the best four game stretch
Speaker 1: of his career. That was three years ago. He should
Speaker 1: be better and a blown out kneel better. All right.
Speaker 1: You want to bring up past exploits with with bad
Speaker 1: Jets teams? How about Ryan Fitzpatrick? Where is he? Where
Speaker 1: is he rank? Thirty two touchdowns two years ago, a
Speaker 1: disaster last year, up and down throughout his career. Where
Speaker 1: does he fit in? Here's what I'd say. When he
Speaker 1: went ten and six with the Jets and had that
Speaker 1: career year, it came with great weapons around him. And
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, if you ever lost Jameis Winston forest
Speaker 1: wretch of time, he's got even better weapons around him
Speaker 1: this year. That's true. I don't trust Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know,
Speaker 1: year to year. But it's not the worst. It's not
Speaker 1: the worst situation. I'm telling the kids, honey, go take
Speaker 1: him to your mother. Watch out. There might be flying
Speaker 1: football is coming at them from Ryan fitz Patrick. I mean,
Speaker 1: he comes in there, he's a he's like either he's
Speaker 1: gonna blow up your team or he's gonna be great
Speaker 1: for a week. You don't know. But you're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy that did much more with the Jets than
Speaker 1: Geno Smith every day with the Jeck. He's getting older,
Speaker 1: I mean that's he's older, but he's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about the age now? He's thirty three,
Speaker 1: thirty four, He's not ancient. But I think Fitzpatrick I
Speaker 1: would put him and hold the fort, but certainly is
Speaker 1: not a guy to pencil in. You know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get out of him. You could go three and
Speaker 1: one in a month with with Ryan Fitzpatrick if he
Speaker 1: gets hot, but the wheels can fall off a little.
Speaker 1: Are kind of the opposite of Matt Moore, where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get. No, you don't know what.
Speaker 1: You're all right? But how about Brett Hunley over in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. I think we almost put him in his
Speaker 1: own category because we've seen so little. What we've seen
Speaker 1: is promising, but it's been in the preseason. Is he
Speaker 1: a mystery man? We'll just put him in his own
Speaker 1: I don't think he. I don't. How can you really
Speaker 1: say that he's in one of these other categories? I mean,
Speaker 1: he would be not. I really Aaron Rodgers would be
Speaker 1: just about the last starting quarterback I would want to
Speaker 1: see get hurt. But Brett Handley would be one of
Speaker 1: the more interesting backups to see play, just to see
Speaker 1: what it looks like. Here are two guys I would
Speaker 1: put in the same category. They're kind of the same
Speaker 1: guy to me, Uh, Chase Daniel in New Orleans and
Speaker 1: uh Colt McCoy in Washington to me, both mid to
Speaker 1: lower hold the hold the Ford guys. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think? I agree? I think they've shown in this
Speaker 1: their current systems that they can be effective. If Daniels
Speaker 1: maybe on any other team, I wouldn't be feeling him
Speaker 1: quite as much as I am in New Orleans. Agree
Speaker 1: with that? How about all right? Let's say I know
Speaker 1: head coach wasn't feeling feeling the quarterbacks earlier this week.
Speaker 1: But let's say that Mr Simeon ends the Broncos quarterback battle,
Speaker 1: which I still think he will, at least to start
Speaker 1: the season. Uh. Did you see enough from Paxton Lynch
Speaker 1: to categorize him or do you give him the past
Speaker 1: and put him in the Huntley category. I put him in.
Speaker 1: I put him in the Huntley zone category because we
Speaker 1: saw very little. I think that he's a player that's
Speaker 1: so clearly needed like a year or two to really
Speaker 1: kind of develop, and I don't think he's all the
Speaker 1: way there yet. Didn't look good last year, but it
Speaker 1: was limited. Interesting player though if if he if he
Speaker 1: can maximize like on what he is physically. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on with paxil Lynch. Alright, update mystery Man
Speaker 1: category now is mystery Men? Everybody okay? Underrated now? I
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's an underrated movie. It's a movie.
Speaker 1: I saw mystery Men. Oh? Is that the superhero comedy?
Speaker 1: Was it? It was like a superhero comedy. Janine Garoffalo
Speaker 1: was involved, not the biggest hard pass I mean to
Speaker 1: She was probably like the seventh lead, but for some
Speaker 1: reason I can't remember anyone else that was in it,
Speaker 1: which isn't a good sun. I'm not like anti Garofolo.
Speaker 1: Her comedic sensibilities tend to overlap with a lot of
Speaker 1: the things I find funny. So she showed up in
Speaker 1: a lot of things over the years that are things
Speaker 1: that I enjoy, but she was always one of the
Speaker 1: things I didn't enjoy as much in those projects. If
Speaker 1: you if you know what I'm saying, If I'm making
Speaker 1: I get that, I I'm I'm a little bit of
Speaker 1: a fan. I mean, not actively, but I don't need
Speaker 1: to see her in a comedy superhero Extrangely, strangely, her
Speaker 1: and hand Kazaria Area are build first and yet Ben Stiller,
Speaker 1: Greg Kaneer, Jeffrey Russia all in this movie. So it's
Speaker 1: a curious. I believe Paul, you know, pee Wee Herman
Speaker 1: in a rail role outside of that, Paul Reuben, So
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put Garofolo in Honey, Take the
Speaker 1: Kids to your Mother. Then I think, so, okay, what
Speaker 1: about Matt Castle in Tennessee? Mm hmm, no, your bangs?
Speaker 1: You know once spot once Spint the time, he was
Speaker 1: like the patron saint of this discussion because Tommy Boy
Speaker 1: blew out his A C. L and two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: and then this guy stepped in with almost no experience
Speaker 1: even in college, no experience, and they went eleven and
Speaker 1: five the New England Patriots. Uh, that's a down here
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, by the way, eleven five. Um, out
Speaker 1: of respect for West, I'm not gonna put put him
Speaker 1: in hold the fort because you know West is battling,
Speaker 1: you know, the Big Sea right now. I don't want
Speaker 1: to cause him any extra stress throwing his phone against
Speaker 1: the wall that, but I still would put him in
Speaker 1: the next tier down Castle. He did come in last year,
Speaker 1: by the way, for Tennessee and helped them win a game.
Speaker 1: He was he didn't embarrass them, you know, it was fine.
Speaker 1: Part of my the way I look at this is
Speaker 1: the drop off from the starter to whoever is behind him,
Speaker 1: and there's this just a steep by the way, if
Speaker 1: we're watching Matt Castle, how boring the season has become
Speaker 1: when it could have been Marcus Mariota And I am concerned.
Speaker 1: You know, Marcus Murder is not complete full seasons up
Speaker 1: to now, so there's a danger of seeing him. So
Speaker 1: I'm putting him in your bang because the experience will
Speaker 1: not be good. Yeah, Tennessee fans, I know you can
Speaker 1: get a little salty with me because of the tytoons
Speaker 1: a bit. I think there's a reason to be excited
Speaker 1: legitimately this season, but also keep your card up because
Speaker 1: we don't know if Marcus can play it a full season.
Speaker 1: You know he can play, can you stay healthy? Matt Castle,
Speaker 1: that very much could be in the mix of this
Speaker 1: season about case Keenum. Interesting name. He's playing for the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, backing up Sam Bradford. Uh, this discussion again,
Speaker 1: once West, once upon a time, it's all about that case.
Speaker 1: Now you know he threw that case out. Where do
Speaker 1: you guys come down on this? I think you take
Speaker 1: your kids to them? Yeah, how they take take the
Speaker 1: kids to your mother? I mean, Bradford, what set an
Speaker 1: NFL record for completion percentage last year. I'm not in
Speaker 1: love with Sam Bradford. I'm not sure there's vast amounts
Speaker 1: of difference between Sam Bradford and some NFL backups, but
Speaker 1: it's a steep drop off to case Keen. I really
Speaker 1: liked I really liked case Keen him a lot more
Speaker 1: after watching All or Nothing. You kind of felt for him,
Speaker 1: but you also maybe understood a little bit more why
Speaker 1: he's not a starting quarterback. He was really feeling the pressure.
Speaker 1: Uh when they when they were losing some of those
Speaker 1: early games, it was like they lost the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and they were like thinking that. He was feeling like
Speaker 1: the season's over, right, And finally I have ten names
Speaker 1: here and you guys can make the argument. Stop me
Speaker 1: at any point. Uh, they are classified get banged, which
Speaker 1: is complete nuclear annihilation of your town. Uh, just one
Speaker 1: town would go out in a nuclear bomb drop. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying all towns, but more specific to your life.
Speaker 1: Town's gone, You're you're done anyway, stop me if you disagree.
Speaker 1: Matt Job in Atlanta absolutely banged. All right, Yeah, Landry
Speaker 1: Jones and Pittsburgh, Oh yeah, return your season tickets. See
Speaker 1: if you can get some money back. Josh Tobbs, watch
Speaker 1: you out. Tobbs is gonna win that backup spot and
Speaker 1: then you're not so banged. Put that thing on. However, whatever, Um,
Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett in Baltimore, come on, Oh, you're to see
Speaker 1: at the bottom of you banged, you're double banged. Matt
Speaker 1: shob is down there, but there's some trash at the
Speaker 1: bottom of that list. I think they're stuck with Mallett too.
Speaker 1: They just signed Austin I would give all the rest
Speaker 1: of their cap room to a tackle. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're signing Kaepernick. I can't believe this guy's in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I thought he was on the Curtis Painter
Speaker 1: era Colts. But Scott told Zine Uh in Indianapolis you're
Speaker 1: you're bang so bad you might be back at the
Speaker 1: number one overall pick with the Colts. It's amazing that
Speaker 1: they told Zing a big, big favorite in Green Bay
Speaker 1: for a while. That's not a crazy thought. If this
Speaker 1: luck thing is worst case scenario. I mean, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna be scamming for Sam. I you believe that if
Speaker 1: if your Jets trying to get to number one in
Speaker 1: the Colts jump you're just like they did for Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: They didn't jump me like the Peyton just bailed on
Speaker 1: the Jets. I don't know. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: don't hold that against him. I should. The Cowboys and
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore big banging. Have we seen enough with Kellen Moore?
Speaker 1: We haven't seen much. Made a few throws last night
Speaker 1: and then come you guys, this ever happened, people would
Speaker 1: people would take some argument like, wow that you know
Speaker 1: that with this Cowboys offensive line, like now, any quarterback
Speaker 1: would thrive. Kelly tell us about Kellen Moore yesterday? Serviceable.
Speaker 1: I I'm not. He did not change my opinion of
Speaker 1: him overall. He you know what, he looked pretty good
Speaker 1: A couple of seasons ago, late in the season when
Speaker 1: they gave him, I think a game and a half
Speaker 1: and that was what earned him this faith by Dallas,
Speaker 1: so maybe he could. Maybe it's more a situation where
Speaker 1: your future coach take kids kids, he's throwing a hundred
Speaker 1: and four passes in his career. Take your kids to
Speaker 1: the movies. No, it's take them up States. They got
Speaker 1: to take him to your mother's out of danger, not
Speaker 1: just to the cinema. I don't I'm not totally familiar
Speaker 1: with this gentleman. Ruddick of Detroit. Well, the two the
Speaker 1: backup scenario in general, it's just Detroit is you're I
Speaker 1: don't know why they Maybe they love one of these guys.
Speaker 1: I personally get Detroit's lucky they're in this conversation after
Speaker 1: the way they handled training kid. It's about it's about
Speaker 1: as bad a backup situation Brad Kaya and Jake Roddick.
Speaker 1: I don't they lost Stafford. It's he's sneaky, one of
Speaker 1: the most valuable players. That they lost Stafford, they'd be
Speaker 1: in the mix for number one. I think banged um
Speaker 1: boy king over in Seattle hasn't been looking good according
Speaker 1: to UH some reports, which makes me think maybe that's
Speaker 1: the Kaepernick Land needs spot. You banged got Austin Davis's
Speaker 1: Carol always made Carol did not dismiss the Kaepernick. They
Speaker 1: kind of sidestepped it more than anything else. I believe
Speaker 1: during one of the slower periods of the NFL calendar,
Speaker 1: we had it like a CP like the main image
Speaker 1: on our homepage saying like Seattle Kaepernick, it's happening, baby,
Speaker 1: something like that. It didn't never happen, obviously, but it
Speaker 1: also has never dismissed. I think that was the headlin
Speaker 1: exactly it was. They wanted it to happen. Seattle Comma, Kaepernick, Comma,
Speaker 1: it's happening. Maybe slamming uh Cardinals, Drew Stanton still there,
Speaker 1: Drew still there, dancing away on the sidelines playing gabb
Speaker 1: Er two. I would put I don't know, if you
Speaker 1: I don't know, if that's a your banged scenario. I
Speaker 1: would go the one notch up, take the kids, wife,
Speaker 1: take the kids upstate, far upstate. Okay, how about the
Speaker 1: Oakland it's EJ. Manuel and who else? Who's the other
Speaker 1: guy but Cook? Who was a disaster in the playoff game.
Speaker 1: That's only one game, But I can you know what
Speaker 1: I would put them honey, take your kids see mothers.
Speaker 1: I would say you banged. I don't trust EJ Manuel
Speaker 1: had only seen out of EJ Manuel is not positive,
Speaker 1: say the least overall pick it's got to count for something. No,
Speaker 1: it does not count for anything other than the fact
Speaker 1: that the people that made that pick are no longer
Speaker 1: with the Bills. Kevin Clemens is still in the league
Speaker 1: US the backup for Philip Rivers in Los Angeles. That
Speaker 1: is a recipe to torpedo any interest in this in
Speaker 1: this move to Los Angeles. If Rivers got I think
Speaker 1: that was never gets hurt. By the way, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's ever missed the game. That was a team
Speaker 1: that might have considered let's not go quarterback now. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: it's too late. Now, it's too late. Now it's been said.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. So there it's slim pickings.
Speaker 1: As bad as it feels, as bad as it is
Speaker 1: for the Dobbins right now, it could be a lot worse,
Speaker 1: all right, before we get out of here. Yes, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, it's happening. Get excited. Who's going into
Speaker 1: the Hall this year? We got Drrell Davis or Danny
Speaker 1: and Tomlinson Kurt Warner, Hurt Warner, all NFL network employees. Right,
Speaker 1: it's pretty big boon to this old enterprise. You're doubling
Speaker 1: the amount of Hall of Famers that are employed here,
Speaker 1: three to six. It's no joke. Anybody else? Do I
Speaker 1: miss anyone? I want to be respectful at least to
Speaker 1: the guys that got voted in in the standard. Oh
Speaker 1: you got Jerry Jones, of course, Morten Anderson, You've got
Speaker 1: Jason Taylor. You've got Morton Andersonson. What you missed last
Speaker 1: night in the Hall of Fame game was the letter
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady wrote on behalf of Jason Taylor to
Speaker 1: get to to argue for him to be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Pretty incredible letter. Morden Anderson is in
Speaker 1: second kicker all time. Well come on, Dan, I've been
Speaker 1: too plugged in on this, but um, congratulations everybody. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So here we go. Here we go now, Greg Road
Speaker 1: a banger. Uh. Even though he just chastised me, I'll
Speaker 1: look Kenny easily. I knew he were forgetting Seahawks fun.
Speaker 1: We were missing one name there. Anyway, Greg, you wrote
Speaker 1: a piece you argued eleven players on the bubble for
Speaker 1: the Hall of fame. Uh and uh, you believe Greg?
Speaker 1: How do we want to do this? How should we
Speaker 1: do this? Greg? Why don't you start us here? I'll
Speaker 1: throw out well on the bubbles as a tricky uh,
Speaker 1: lead to it because I had some real long shots,
Speaker 1: and I make it clear they're real long shots. Uh.
Speaker 1: And maybe the most interesting name in there, which I
Speaker 1: thought about, was Matt Ryan. Now that's he was the
Speaker 1: longest of these long shots. But when you have a
Speaker 1: historical season like he had an m v P season,
Speaker 1: that makes a big time difference. And if you look
Speaker 1: at the shape of careers, now, if he could have
Speaker 1: a mid thirties run a little like Breeze Brady Manning
Speaker 1: where he plays his very best and has a two
Speaker 1: or three more really top notch seasons. You look at
Speaker 1: his just Ron numbers, he's going to end up in
Speaker 1: the top seven eight all time passing yards, passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He needs to do a lot more. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: having that one season is like a pillar. He's putting
Speaker 1: his post in the ground, and now he's got a
Speaker 1: chance if he really plays well and let's say this,
Speaker 1: Let's say he does that and he has you know,
Speaker 1: a productive more. We have to be Super Bowl too.
Speaker 1: What is so different between him and Kurt Warner? One
Speaker 1: super Bowl one, one lost in a bunch of great seasons.
Speaker 1: The long shot, that's what would have really helped closing.
Speaker 1: That came out in February, so you could think about
Speaker 1: that a second. At some point he needs to win there.
Speaker 1: You also have Brandon Marshall as a long shot, which
Speaker 1: I feel like I got laughed out of this room
Speaker 1: for suggesting that a couple of years ago. But if
Speaker 1: you look at his numbers, they are excellent. I know
Speaker 1: he slowed down last year, but if he has a
Speaker 1: nice end of his career here, he wouldn't have my vote.
Speaker 1: But I think if he could do two more years
Speaker 1: of thousand yards, you know, close to ten touchdowns each year,
Speaker 1: and importantly have a playoff moment or two, then he
Speaker 1: I think could convince some voters. I think that position
Speaker 1: is really crowded and tough, but if he does it,
Speaker 1: for if he if he were to leave right now,
Speaker 1: I would say it's gonna take a while. The name
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me that I hadn't really thought
Speaker 1: about much was in Dominican Sue, who I really believe
Speaker 1: is on track to make the Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: you don't. I guess they hadn't thought about it because
Speaker 1: he's a guy who inspires some mixed feelings. But when
Speaker 1: you do the All Decades team, he's gonna be your
Speaker 1: defensive tackle of the two thousand tens. He's made five
Speaker 1: All Pro teams first or second team out of seven years,
Speaker 1: and there's not many players like him. But just that
Speaker 1: that disruptive against the running the past. To me, he's
Speaker 1: kind of done the hard part. The only thing he
Speaker 1: has to avoid is some crazy injuries or a total decline.
Speaker 1: But they would give him that. They gave him a
Speaker 1: record setting contract and they would give it to him again.
Speaker 1: He's one of these I would say he was one
Speaker 1: of the defining defensive players of his generation. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a major You have to be one of
Speaker 1: those guys, and it's hard to argue with Sue isn't
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I also think that some of
Speaker 1: the things that have kept for instance, Terrell Owens out
Speaker 1: with the personality side of it and all this stuff
Speaker 1: when we're voting, when people are voting for the Tomican
Speaker 1: Sue ten twelve thirteen years fourteen years from now, are
Speaker 1: people gonna care about the dolmic NSO's you know, ups
Speaker 1: and downs? Is that what he's the most famous for, though, honestly,
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving I don't think he should be well. I
Speaker 1: think it probably is up there. Well. I thought about
Speaker 1: how he's kind of a paradoxical player because I think,
Speaker 1: like the Lions fans probably, I feel like he's a
Speaker 1: little unfulfilled in terms of his potential. I think fans
Speaker 1: feel like that because he was so good in college.
Speaker 1: He was so good as a rookie that the bar
Speaker 1: was so high, and yet I think overall you can't
Speaker 1: knock at all what he what he's accomplished. He also
Speaker 1: gets banged by his position a little bit because it's
Speaker 1: not like a numbers stacking type position. So he doesn't
Speaker 1: have like eight fifteen sacks seasons or anything. But but
Speaker 1: he's played for two organizations who have not really had
Speaker 1: their act together in terms of continuity. If he was
Speaker 1: with a better team, I think people would You can
Speaker 1: put trell sugs in your whole fame att one. He's
Speaker 1: not in mind. I put him as a long I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, look at the guys bad
Speaker 1: person clause I would sit there, but we can. We
Speaker 1: can't move on from this without making my annual Frank
Speaker 1: Gore mentioned numbers are starting to get hard to ignore.
Speaker 1: Six hundred more yards and he in this season, and
Speaker 1: he would be up to number five all time, passing
Speaker 1: La Dainian Tomlinson. He's had twelve hundred yards for eleven
Speaker 1: straight seasons. That is an outrageous statistic. I'd have no
Speaker 1: problem with that. Who how many people do you think
Speaker 1: would say absolutely not? He's one of the great compilers
Speaker 1: of all time? And is he was he ever the
Speaker 1: top five running back in the league? Absolutely early seas? Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just I guess the thing. The only
Speaker 1: thing I'll say is he's not He's not a wow
Speaker 1: guy at least in the past six or seven years. Now.
Speaker 1: He's a grand out guy that's you look at the
Speaker 1: end of the season, like, oh, he had another nice season.
Speaker 1: But is he a guy that you're putting the offense
Speaker 1: on his back and he's taking teams special places because
Speaker 1: he's such a dynamic talent. I really respect the career
Speaker 1: he's had. Is he one of the greatest running backs
Speaker 1: of all time? If we put Jerome bettis in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, don't we put Frank Goren. I never
Speaker 1: would have thought that there would have been a good argument.
Speaker 1: I always thought this was gonna be a huge uphill
Speaker 1: battle because Gore's basically my favorite player from this generation.
Speaker 1: Uh And now it feels a little less like an
Speaker 1: uphill battle. But I don't think he'll be I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll be a slam dunk. I mean, he's been
Speaker 1: playing so long. He's had a twelve yard season Dan
Speaker 1: when the first Inconvenient Truth came out in two thousand
Speaker 1: six by al Ghar, and when the second in Convenient
Speaker 1: Truth that's coming out in the sequel in two thousand seventeen,
Speaker 1: he's still there. He spans that whole era. I like this,
Speaker 1: James Harrison. You say that he has helped his case.
Speaker 1: I absolutely think James Harrison belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised to hear that that'll be well he I
Speaker 1: think for me sometimes it's like I think that he
Speaker 1: the fact that he back then that was two thousand
Speaker 1: and ten or something, two thousand and eleven, I mean,
Speaker 1: he is still around. The longevity itself is incredible. Doesn't
Speaker 1: have the numbers, but I think he uh, he as
Speaker 1: the intangent. At his peak, he was a feared game
Speaker 1: changing talent and now he's in this weird like extended
Speaker 1: epilogue to his career, which is hard not to uh
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for. And if you track
Speaker 1: his Instagram account, it's insane the amount of work he's
Speaker 1: put in to stay in the league. Last parting thought, Greg,
Speaker 1: I just appreciate all the time, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep the show tight here and I
Speaker 1: really blew it. It's not oh yeah here, it is Dwight.
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney. He put if there was any doubt, he
Speaker 1: put himself in the Hall of Fame. I don't care
Speaker 1: that their offense blew that game. The fact that he
Speaker 1: was the most valuable pass rusher, six pressures, a sack,
Speaker 1: a tackle for lost. That should have been his Michael
Speaker 1: Strahan moment. So even though they blew it, it's the
Speaker 1: moment for me and I think that put him over
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, that sucks. I haven't really thought about that.
Speaker 1: He had such a great game that completely got washed away.
Speaker 1: That Freney was a major impact player. Gave Nate Soldier nightmares.
Speaker 1: That got wiped away and it shouldn't be and hopefully
Speaker 1: it won't be Greg all right, great show, guys, beefy,
Speaker 1: but informative. That's how I would have described today's show
Speaker 1: post grade, post show grade, I'm gonna give it a
Speaker 1: B B plus, B plus overachieving today. Yeah, I liked it.
Speaker 1: I like the show. We missed West, though hopefully West
Speaker 1: will be back. Uh next week, um tomorrow Saturday is
Speaker 1: the Shield Celebration Bonanza at cessler manor uh to uh
Speaker 1: you know, back to back l A County C plus
Speaker 1: champions so deal with its society. So we're gonna throw
Speaker 1: down this weekend. Mark there until we get I guarantee
Speaker 1: this ends with the police at my house. Uh. I
Speaker 1: am slightly concerned but excited about it. I mean it can.
Speaker 1: It might not even be for noise or anything. It
Speaker 1: might be just like a parole violation with our team,
Speaker 1: you know. That's right. That's a lot of colorful characters.
Speaker 1: One one quick note, I am going to extend the
Speaker 1: show in extra thirty seconds. I have tried to follow
Speaker 1: up on your task of sorting through this Reddit scenario
Speaker 1: and there is no Let me just clarib that we
Speaker 1: we promised the five thousand uh read it follower on
Speaker 1: our subreddit around the NFL would get some type of prize.
Speaker 1: Mark graciously accepted the task of figuring out what it was.
Speaker 1: Frost on me. But yes, okay, where are we at. Well,
Speaker 1: we're in a tough place. There's like, according to the
Speaker 1: you know, to greed being the rest of the people
Speaker 1: that run this ship over there, there is no tangible
Speaker 1: way to discern the five thousand follower, or even the
Speaker 1: first or the last. I have an idea. Well, believe me,
Speaker 1: I've been getting I've been getting a lot of people
Speaker 1: telling me I'm your random person. It's like, we could
Speaker 1: take this offline. But I have an idea. How had
Speaker 1: to do that? I want to reward them. I care
Speaker 1: about these people. There's a lot of good chatter on
Speaker 1: that reddit. Porter. Yeah, yeah, we love the subreddit. Make
Speaker 1: sure you check it out. It's almost six thousand strong,
Speaker 1: might even be six thousand now. Uh, even Greg's plugging
Speaker 1: in on it now. I think so it's it's really
Speaker 1: taken off um, but thank you for everyone that listens. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's let's go home, let's go to lunch stand hands
Speaker 1: signing off for WHI it's the arm, the old Boss,
Speaker 1: Sully behind the glass, Erica back back, who actually is tail?
Speaker 1: Monday m m hm