Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, six of the top. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Kansas and I am joined by
Speaker 1: a room build with some heroes. Chris Westling to my left,
Speaker 1: Greg Rose the Thoughts in my right. What's up boys?
Speaker 1: Welcome back, West? Thank you, good to have you in
Speaker 1: the in the big chair. Well it's the same size
Speaker 1: chair as the rest of the chairs, but you you
Speaker 1: leave a big power chair, that big shadow. According to
Speaker 1: the Mike and the Mad Dog thirty for thirty which
Speaker 1: I finally watched, and you know you want to be
Speaker 1: facing the I'm in the week chair. I get whatever
Speaker 1: that is the weakest chair, penalty box. You're in the
Speaker 1: mad Dog chair. Um. Yes, uh, we're back together for
Speaker 1: another week of shows. Saturday night was the Big Shield
Speaker 1: Celebration gala at cessler Manor Uh is that why Marks
Speaker 1: not here today? I don't know. He seemed to be
Speaker 1: okay on text yesterday, but maybe still in recovery after
Speaker 1: what was got a little wild at Sessler Matter. I
Speaker 1: was the lone voices of voice of sobriety. I do
Speaker 1: not like this turn of events. Yeah, at one point
Speaker 1: West was just like this is all different being the
Speaker 1: only sober. Oh, y'all are funny. I get that. I
Speaker 1: get that, how that would be kind of a weird scene.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a good good time and um,
Speaker 1: you know, possibly you know, a nice way to close
Speaker 1: the chapter, uh of that book in my life. So
Speaker 1: I like how you're letting this, You're gonna let this
Speaker 1: linger on all off season. Well, you're really stoking the uncertainty.
Speaker 1: I did you know? I used some of my intrepid
Speaker 1: reporters skills to ask some questions the party, no to
Speaker 1: you while you were the main source. But you know,
Speaker 1: he was playing it on the fence, not sure what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen next year, on that fence, on that fence. Uh.
Speaker 1: Today's addition to the Around the NFL Podcast, Do I
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Speaker 1: presented of course by UH New Era. A lot of
Speaker 1: stuff to get to. Jay Cutler's back in the NFL.
Speaker 1: How about that? And you know what, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I missed him. Really, I feel I like it better
Speaker 1: that he's back involved, He's back in the mix. Wells,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that and what what that means
Speaker 1: down in Miami. We will also Now, um, training camp
Speaker 1: is about you know, I was two weeks old, a
Speaker 1: couple of you know, a couple of days old for
Speaker 1: the Lions. Um so, uh kind of spinning out of
Speaker 1: a Greg Rosenthal piece on NFL dot Com the winners
Speaker 1: and losers of Training Camp so far, and Hey, Lions
Speaker 1: fans that are coming at me, upset that the detroits
Speaker 1: on my radar. Hey, just get to camp early. And
Speaker 1: if you can't get to camp, Greg, I know this
Speaker 1: one gets on your radar, you know, get get the
Speaker 1: team together and in local Park and Auburn Hills, throw
Speaker 1: the football around, stay, stay loose, run run some sprints.
Speaker 1: You know. Now have you actually checked to see if
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford got some of his receivers together or not?
Speaker 1: I have two sources on that so far, but I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to go live with that reporting yet. Uh So. Anyway,
Speaker 1: winners and losers of Training Camp hitting all the news
Speaker 1: and that's the show today before we get going, Hi, Sully,
Speaker 1: how are you buddy? Good? How you guys done? It
Speaker 1: was your weekend? It was good? Lazy relaxing. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was nice. I need I needed one after a big
Speaker 1: weekend two weekends agues. So okay, let's let's keep that
Speaker 1: appropriately mysterious. What happened two weekends ago was Sean Sullivan.
Speaker 1: We may never know. Let's do some news, no more, please,
Speaker 1: I'm moving on to Yes, the dulcin tones of Vince
Speaker 1: Wolfarck will get to him in a little bit, but
Speaker 1: let's start with Cutler, who agreed and is now officially
Speaker 1: signed a one year contract with the Miami Dolphins. The
Speaker 1: thirty four year old who was all set to take
Speaker 1: a nice, cushy broadcasting gig with Fox instead Uh, in
Speaker 1: the fallout following the Ryan Tannehill set back with his
Speaker 1: left knee, UH is now joining the Dolphins. Rap Sheet
Speaker 1: had reported this on Sunday and now on Monday. It's
Speaker 1: a deal. It's ten million bucks with incentives. I think
Speaker 1: it can get up to about thirteen million if he
Speaker 1: hits incentives. Uh and Uh. I'll tell you what Chris
Speaker 1: Wessell like, I said, Jay Cutler back in the league,
Speaker 1: and I kind of missed the guy and he wasn't
Speaker 1: even really gone. Well, we went from one guy who
Speaker 1: almost changed the Dalton scale, to the Tannis scale. To
Speaker 1: another guy who's been talked about in this room as
Speaker 1: the median of all NFL quarterbacks right in the middle.
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler is reviled by many people, probably a little
Speaker 1: unfairly and over celebrated by a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: he's a very average and that a shot at me.
Speaker 1: Who's he over celebrated by other than me? Of course,
Speaker 1: by predicted he was gonna be m v P. I
Speaker 1: never did that. Let's hear. Let's hear what Jay Cutler
Speaker 1: had to say when he was asked about you know why, uh,
Speaker 1: you know how hard a decision it was to come
Speaker 1: out of retirement. It was hard. It was hard. It
Speaker 1: was definitely hard. Um. You know, uh, like you said,
Speaker 1: the last four months, I've been in a different mode,
Speaker 1: different mindset, getting ready for the Fox Steel um. And
Speaker 1: it was really, you know, pretty good with where I
Speaker 1: was in my life. You know, I was around the
Speaker 1: kids a lot, um and you know, felt pretty content.
Speaker 1: Uh So, way back and forth on this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I probably say my wife christ And probably talks me
Speaker 1: into it more than anybody else could. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is somewhat worrisome if you're a Dolphins fan that he
Speaker 1: was back and forth over the weekend. You know, you
Speaker 1: want someone that's gonna be really committed and ready for it.
Speaker 1: And you know, the body language experts were out on
Speaker 1: Twitter having fun a little bit with Jay Cutler, who
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler, who looked about as relaxed and uh cool
Speaker 1: as he possibly could be. He seemed in a great mood.
Speaker 1: He actually had a lot of He had some jokes. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think that Adam Gaze sold them because he knows
Speaker 1: Adam Gates is the best coordinator for him that he
Speaker 1: maybe ever had, maybe Mike Shanahan as a head coach
Speaker 1: earlier in his career. I don't think he would have
Speaker 1: come back in any other situation, and I think he
Speaker 1: sees this with Adam Gaze for a chance. If I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be with Adam Gaze, we can make this work,
Speaker 1: and it actually can be pretty great with with all
Speaker 1: the weapons around him. I think you nailed it. This
Speaker 1: is the perfect storm for color. I don't think he
Speaker 1: would have come out of retirement for any other job.
Speaker 1: I think it had to be Adam Gaze. It had
Speaker 1: to be a Dolphins team with more offensive talent than
Speaker 1: they've had around him in a long time. You Know
Speaker 1: what's funny was I thought the same thing too. On Friday, actually,
Speaker 1: when it was starting to look imminent that he was
Speaker 1: gonna end up in Miami, I tweeted that this could
Speaker 1: not have worked out better. Uh for j Cutler. Uh,
Speaker 1: he nailed this. And Raps she kind of came at
Speaker 1: me and was like, well, he didn't have any other offers.
Speaker 1: And then I said, well, was he really looking hard
Speaker 1: for a job? And then Raps she said yes, So
Speaker 1: apparently he really was trying to get onto a team
Speaker 1: and nobody wanted him that he weren't. The Jets wouldn't
Speaker 1: even return his call. What is that tell you but
Speaker 1: the fact that things all ended up working out in
Speaker 1: his favor. This is the ideal situation he could have picked.
Speaker 1: It's just the way things worked out. The football gods
Speaker 1: smiled down on Jay once more. I for one, am
Speaker 1: very happy that he is no longer being blackballed. Uh. Yeah. People,
Speaker 1: people trying to compare Kaepernick and Cutler in this situation.
Speaker 1: It's a tough comparison because Cutler has the year with Gaze.
Speaker 1: I think the Dolphins, first of all, are more interesting
Speaker 1: with Jake Cutler. Jake Cutler. This is a fun story.
Speaker 1: The NFL is more interesting with Jay Cutler. As as
Speaker 1: much grief as you want to give him, he certainly
Speaker 1: makes some mistakes. He's a fun player to watch. If
Speaker 1: you just made a top twenty, you know best. If
Speaker 1: you made a top twenty best throws of Jay Cutler's career,
Speaker 1: it's up there with any top twenty. If you're a
Speaker 1: defensive back, he's a fun quarterback to okay, but he
Speaker 1: was different under Gays really in he was controlled. He
Speaker 1: had fewer interceptions than he's ever had. He was over celebrated.
Speaker 1: He was a little over celebrated. But they had so
Speaker 1: many injuries. That's why people got excited that his stats
Speaker 1: were actually about as good as they ever were for him,
Speaker 1: despite an awful group of players around him that were hurt.
Speaker 1: I think the Dolphins might be a better team with
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler than they were with Ryan Tannehill. Maybe you
Speaker 1: don't have the hope that Ryan Tannehill turns into someone
Speaker 1: else that he hasn't really been in his career, because
Speaker 1: that hope is gone. You kind of know who Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler is, but you might actually be better. This is
Speaker 1: not a hey, we lost our starting quarterback. Now the
Speaker 1: season's over. To me, they were a mediocre looking team beforehand,
Speaker 1: one that if things break right, could make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And they are the same team today with Jay Cutler.
Speaker 1: I think you could argue their ceilings higher because of
Speaker 1: Cutler's Cutler is a better quarter He's a more gifted
Speaker 1: quarterback than Tannehill, especially in armed talent. But he's also
Speaker 1: if this season starts to go sideways, you're talking about
Speaker 1: guy who had to be convinced to play football. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna want to answer to anyone. He'll be It's
Speaker 1: a one year deal, so they didn't over the money
Speaker 1: is pretty nice, but they can get out of it
Speaker 1: and have Matt Moore in there and have j Sullen
Speaker 1: on the sidelines of it if it comes to that
Speaker 1: when he has to stay healthy too. He hasn't practiced
Speaker 1: all offseason, and he's passer rating. Some people put, you know,
Speaker 1: not too much into that, but he had a ninety
Speaker 1: two pass rating with gays in that season, which is
Speaker 1: not too far above the league average. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was tremendous. It was the best of his career, though,
Speaker 1: I believe. But here there's here's the last question before
Speaker 1: we move on. Hey, j are you Are you in
Speaker 1: good football shape right now? Well? The good things quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: so I don't really have to be in Uh that
Speaker 1: great of I can't wait. He got big laughs, he's
Speaker 1: joking around. I mean, he's having fun. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about this. He was also very engaging in that press conference.
Speaker 1: I thought he was unfairly fairly maligned for his press conference.
Speaker 1: It's it didn't matter what he would have done. He
Speaker 1: was gonna get killed just because it's fun to make
Speaker 1: And that's part of the fun of Jay Cutler. Be
Speaker 1: in the league. Get to make fun of J Cutler
Speaker 1: and he doesn't care. Uh. And he'll tell you what
Speaker 1: now that he's back in the league, he wants again
Speaker 1: takes the Mantle best hair quarterback and football very good hair.
Speaker 1: And before we move on, I just want to put
Speaker 1: it out there. Yes, it's most likely a one year thing,
Speaker 1: but if you're Ryan Tannehill, I feel like the starting
Speaker 1: quarterback job of the Dolphins is no longer yours. It's
Speaker 1: out of your hands. If Jay Cutler plays great this season.
Speaker 1: Not saying that's gonna happen, Well, let's say they just
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs, he plays, he plays well this season,
Speaker 1: He's played a lot more games with Adam Gates. It
Speaker 1: could turn into more than one year, whether Cutler plays
Speaker 1: well or not. His contract Tannehill next year is gonna
Speaker 1: be twenty million dollars. They're gonna have to have a
Speaker 1: decision to make whether they want to possibly trade him,
Speaker 1: whether they can really trust him, or whether they bring
Speaker 1: in competition, whether it's Cutler or a rookie or something
Speaker 1: like that. That is sort of out of his hands
Speaker 1: to right. Danias Durting thirty years old next year, he's
Speaker 1: not a young player anymore. So you're saying he no
Speaker 1: longer controls his own destiny. But we still don't know
Speaker 1: his season is over. But it's certainly every point trending
Speaker 1: in that direction. And giving Jay Cutler this much money
Speaker 1: when you had a backup that you seemingly liked and
Speaker 1: Matt Moore really speaks volume. So we'll see what happens. Jay,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the family. Moving on. Uh, just when
Speaker 1: things couldn't get anymore grim for the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Uh this season or heading into this what will be
Speaker 1: a lost season, you'd think Quincy and Noon while they're
Speaker 1: slated number one wide receiver heading to I r uh.
Speaker 1: Mike Garafolo reported this uh with a neck injury. He
Speaker 1: he was held out of practices throughout the spring with
Speaker 1: the neck issue. UH, and then it popped up again
Speaker 1: in their Green and White scrimmage on Saturday, UH, a
Speaker 1: non contact situation where he went down. Turns out Todd
Speaker 1: Bowles announces that he has a bulging disc in the
Speaker 1: neck needs surgery. The only upshot here UH in the
Speaker 1: silver lining is is not believed to be one of
Speaker 1: those neck injuries that's career threatening. Uh. He should be
Speaker 1: ready in six to nine months. But now the Jets
Speaker 1: it's getting it's getting grim, guys. I mean if already
Speaker 1: was grim, but no, I'm talking about now. I'm really
Speaker 1: for the first time when this, when I saw this
Speaker 1: come across Twitter, I'm a little worried about. Oh and sixteen,
Speaker 1: that's how bad it is. Robby Anderson is now the
Speaker 1: jets number one wide receiver. Christian Hackenburg got basically kicked
Speaker 1: out of practice yesterday for his inability to break a
Speaker 1: huddle properly, and it's apparently not shown a lot. Josh McCown.
Speaker 1: It looks like he's gonna end up getting this any
Speaker 1: first team rap such a surprising and Hackenburg, Yeah he
Speaker 1: got a few today, I believe. But still, Josh McCown is,
Speaker 1: looks like everything is trending toward a situation where the
Speaker 1: Jets they're not gonna score any points. And Robby Anderson
Speaker 1: at number one west, Uh, it's not about it's not
Speaker 1: gonna get better after the news today, I've heard of
Speaker 1: Robby Anderson. I've never heard of this character. Sharone Peak
Speaker 1: kind of in the mix in December. I was watching
Speaker 1: those Jets games. He was like he was playing and
Speaker 1: that's I guess. I mean, oh, and sick team. I
Speaker 1: think the hot take would be that they might not
Speaker 1: go in sixteen. They should be favored to go. They
Speaker 1: are less talented than the two thousand sixteen Browns. I
Speaker 1: think they have. They have good defensive players in their
Speaker 1: front seven, and just the way football is, you figure
Speaker 1: you get luck into about two wins. I would think
Speaker 1: two and fourteen still the over under. But this is
Speaker 1: the worst looking wide receiver group heading into a season
Speaker 1: that you can remember. Sharone Peak. The number two receiver
Speaker 1: right now are Darius Stewart a third round pick this
Speaker 1: year is the favorite to be the number three receiver.
Speaker 1: He hasn't even practiced fully. They're gonna have to bring
Speaker 1: in a vetter. I honestly don't think you can. You
Speaker 1: can't go into the season with that group and noon whah.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. He was entering a contract
Speaker 1: year overachieving. Most fun player on the Jets offense, I
Speaker 1: would say, to watch, which is a low bar right now,
Speaker 1: but he he was it. Who's the next best player?
Speaker 1: Billy Powell? Yeah, but that's that's but I mean, that
Speaker 1: says a lot. That says a lot. And here's the
Speaker 1: other part of it that I've never been less excited,
Speaker 1: and I've been around a while now, I've never been
Speaker 1: less excited about a Jet season than the one we're
Speaker 1: heading into. There's literally nothing to be excited about except
Speaker 1: for the draft, which isn't for months and months and months.
Speaker 1: And the biggest shame of all this now is because
Speaker 1: of the quarterback situation, because of the lack of playmakers
Speaker 1: on offense, now the injuries on top of it. How
Speaker 1: do you evaluate any of these guys if this season,
Speaker 1: if at least you can, you will evaluate lines and
Speaker 1: mass too. By the way like, if the rest of
Speaker 1: the team was good, we would be talking about how
Speaker 1: bad this offensive line is. If the quarterbacks are bad
Speaker 1: and the line is bad and you don't have anybody
Speaker 1: to throw to, how you and then it all trickles
Speaker 1: over to the defense. If the offense is never on
Speaker 1: the field and the defense is getting gassed week after
Speaker 1: week after week, how are you gonna even get a
Speaker 1: good look at those guys. There's a lot of young
Speaker 1: guys on this roster. It's as bad as the Jets
Speaker 1: are in embarrassment right now. First team coordinator, first year
Speaker 1: coordinator to John Morton, who has never done it before.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're we're just piling on when we
Speaker 1: say this is one of the worst offenses entering a
Speaker 1: season on paper, and they can always prove us wrong
Speaker 1: that we've ever seen there. There are no there are
Speaker 1: no teams that go into a season this bad at
Speaker 1: so many different offensive positions. On Twitter, I put it
Speaker 1: out there, over under three and a half, how many
Speaker 1: games they score more than fourteen points this season? They're
Speaker 1: gonna get the over under on that. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got special teams touchdown, but if the over a little
Speaker 1: optimism ending this segment on the Jackson Moving I'm saying
Speaker 1: two ends too. Yeah, let's see, and Kwan Balden got
Speaker 1: a job. He signed a one year deal with the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Uh so he joins Tyrod Taylor, Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: and company. Peter Schraeger Good Morning Football um First reported
Speaker 1: this on Monday. The deal is up to UH worth
Speaker 1: up to four million dollars. Bold to thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1: Uh this fall his fifth team in fift team in
Speaker 1: fifteen years in the league. Uh well, I mean, Greg,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get excited about the I'm happy and Kuang
Speaker 1: Bolden still wants to play and got a job. But
Speaker 1: is is this going to be a signing that makes
Speaker 1: any ripples in the NFL in real in any tangible way? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think it will. You know, as someone who
Speaker 1: loves watching and Kwan Bolden play, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: players of of his generation, I would have loved to
Speaker 1: see him stick around on the waiver wire. And I
Speaker 1: know he's not getting offers most likely, and he wants
Speaker 1: to play and see if anything better pops up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In two thousand twenty two, in March, when rap Sheet
Speaker 1: is on Total Access, saying A Kwan Bulden is only
Speaker 1: going to play for a contender. Don't believe him. And
Speaker 1: Kwan Bulden is a mercenary who will play well. He
Speaker 1: loves football. I think that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: we love watching him play. He loves his job. He
Speaker 1: wants to play football career. One of the most respected players.
Speaker 1: But don't believe him when he says he's only going
Speaker 1: to play for ader. They also he likes football. He
Speaker 1: also likes four million dollars. It doesn't make you a mercenary.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh you could, I could make millions of
Speaker 1: dollars to squeeze out another season. I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it. But you would think if he had more options,
Speaker 1: he would sign with a team at isn't on a
Speaker 1: set and teen your playoff drought. The plays in the
Speaker 1: same division as the Patriots. They're about us thin at
Speaker 1: receiver as any other team other than the Jets. A
Speaker 1: Jones is a rookie who's number two, so he's gonna
Speaker 1: play a lot for this this Bill's team. Moving on,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns uh. They have an unsteady quarterback situation
Speaker 1: as well, and brock Osweiler is going to get the
Speaker 1: first crack uh in this QB battle. He is the
Speaker 1: starter for the team's Thursday preseason opener against the Saints. Uh.
Speaker 1: Cody Kesseler will come in next, followed by Deshaun Kaiser
Speaker 1: and then Kevin Hogan. I guess we'll see some snaps. UH.
Speaker 1: This comes west last week we have it. It's documented
Speaker 1: Mark all In on Deshaun Kaiser and the Browns in
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. Is there anything to read into the
Speaker 1: fact that brock Oswailer is starting the first preseason game. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's the reminder that if you blink
Speaker 1: in August, you miss a changing. In the guard and
Speaker 1: training camp. Last last week, Mary kay Cabin of The
Speaker 1: Plain Dealer is saying it to Shaun Kaiser is way
Speaker 1: ahead of every other quarterback in practice Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1: He has bad scrimmages. Cody Kesler is not playing well,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, brock Osweller, who's only played
Speaker 1: with the second team offense, is starting the first preseason
Speaker 1: game because the other two guys aren't getting it done well.
Speaker 1: My take one of my takeaways from going to these
Speaker 1: training camps is I don't trust any other reporters evaluations
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't trust my own. I think it's really
Speaker 1: hard for I think, given the coaches say they have
Speaker 1: to watch the film of practice before they say anything,
Speaker 1: there's so much that you don't know watching so to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: Kaiser's way ahead. Hugh Jackson said it best. You would
Speaker 1: love to see one of these guys step up. It's
Speaker 1: kind of hard when you're splitting, you know, snaps four
Speaker 1: ways and no one, None of these guys have stepped up.
Speaker 1: It was basically what he's saying. And I think they
Speaker 1: have to be a little disappointed that Kaiser and Kessler
Speaker 1: have not stood up. And that's the only reason why
Speaker 1: Brock is playing. We haven't heard from Brocko a little while.
Speaker 1: Lets see what Brock had to say a member of
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. Though I could not be more excited
Speaker 1: to be at Cleveland brown I truly mean that, and
Speaker 1: it it really starts with our ownership. You know, the
Speaker 1: hazlm family, Jimmy and d um They've just created a
Speaker 1: tremendous culture in this building. And then you know Sashy
Speaker 1: Brown has put a ton of in this place. And
Speaker 1: then you know going down to coach Hugh Jackson and
Speaker 1: coach Lee our quarterback coach. Um, They've made me a
Speaker 1: way better football player than I've ever been. They coach
Speaker 1: you hard every single day. They make it black and
Speaker 1: white as far as in the meetings to to what
Speaker 1: they expect at practice and what they expect in games. Um.
Speaker 1: I love everything about this place. I love being a
Speaker 1: brown Yeah, shut it down, rock, all right, I got it.
Speaker 1: I watched this. This is from an interview with Steve
Speaker 1: Wish an NFL network, and I swear the question he
Speaker 1: sort of didn't answer the question at all, and he
Speaker 1: had these sort of these dead glassy eyes, and it
Speaker 1: really reminded me of a hostage video that I am
Speaker 1: being treated very well here. They feed me breakfast, and
Speaker 1: is it giving signs like very off camera like writing down.
Speaker 1: It's less of a hashtae situation. And he's one of
Speaker 1: the most discent enuous deathlates I've ever heard. And that
Speaker 1: goes back to his introductory press conference with the Texans
Speaker 1: when nothing he said was credible. Well, we we're so
Speaker 1: hard on Brock. I'm starting to feel bad. I think
Speaker 1: this is just how he talks. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: remember back to he's a little when he got bench
Speaker 1: for Peyton and Super before Super both fifty and he
Speaker 1: was getting a lot of credit for how professional he
Speaker 1: was carry the dignity he was carrying himself with being
Speaker 1: asked about being bench for a week straight. He's got
Speaker 1: this side of the game down the polished media front.
Speaker 1: If it's not credible at all, it's polished to a sheen,
Speaker 1: which at a certain point that starts working against you.
Speaker 1: For sure. It looks like a ventriloquist. Yeah. Absolutely. Moving
Speaker 1: on other quarterback news, brocost All his former team, the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. They're trying to figure out who's going to
Speaker 1: be their quarterback. It's a little messy right now because
Speaker 1: neither Trevor Simeon or Paxton Lynch have really stood out
Speaker 1: so far, at least that's what their own head coach
Speaker 1: has been telling people. But uh, they now will start
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon and the Broncos preseason opener, uh against the
Speaker 1: Bears this Thursday. That game will be on NFL Network.
Speaker 1: If you want to, yeah, sit down on the couch,
Speaker 1: Bob Opener Brusky and check out the Week one Bears
Speaker 1: preseason game. And uh, Paxton Lynch. He'll start the following
Speaker 1: week against the forty niners in Santa Clara. Uh that
Speaker 1: coming from Vance Joseph greg Who's who's gonna start, Who's
Speaker 1: gonna start Week three? Because that's when we find out
Speaker 1: probably who's gonna be their Week one guy. The practice
Speaker 1: reports are that Simeon is winning this job by default.
Speaker 1: To quote a Denver Post column over the weekend that
Speaker 1: that Paxston Lynch just is not showing any of the
Speaker 1: growth that they were hoping for it. I think it's
Speaker 1: still very early in the in the games are gonna
Speaker 1: end up mattering more, and I still believe that they
Speaker 1: would love Paxston Lynch to be the one that does
Speaker 1: win the job. Charles Robinson of Yahoo cited a source
Speaker 1: who watched video of every practice and said Simeon has
Speaker 1: outplayed Lynch in every single practice, which says a lot
Speaker 1: more about Lynch than Simeon because by all accounts, Simeon
Speaker 1: has been pretty average in camp and he's learning a
Speaker 1: new offense. I mean, he's a young player who's not,
Speaker 1: you know, the most talented quarterback in league. I like him,
Speaker 1: but he's the third year player who hasn't started that
Speaker 1: many games learning a new offense. So you know it's
Speaker 1: not easy for either of these guys right now. In
Speaker 1: other news, Jalen Collins, the Falcons cornerback, has run into
Speaker 1: trouble once again. UH Collins, who started Super Bowl fifty
Speaker 1: one for the Falcons cornerback and was suspended four games
Speaker 1: for a violation of the UH Performance Enhancing Substance policy
Speaker 1: last year, was hit with a ten game suspension on
Speaker 1: Monday to start to two thousand seventeen for a repeat offense.
Speaker 1: The team announced that means Collins will be able to
Speaker 1: practice with the team um after the preseason ends, cannot
Speaker 1: return until November twenty one. West. This is a big
Speaker 1: loss for the Atlanta secondary. No and and Thomas Demetrof,
Speaker 1: their GM has said twice this in the past couple
Speaker 1: of months. This is the deepest roster he's ever had,
Speaker 1: And this is another example of this is a guy
Speaker 1: who started in the Super Bowl. Tom Brady picked on
Speaker 1: him in the Super Bowl and he was gonna be
Speaker 1: their fourth quarter cornerback at best. He was not slated
Speaker 1: to have a big rule at all, but he played
Speaker 1: very well down the stretch and I think was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that defense. Uh, played into the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: played well in the playoffs. He got one of these
Speaker 1: statements from the Falcons, which I always it's interesting when
Speaker 1: they do this, where the team kind of buried him.
Speaker 1: They were just like, we're disappointed in jail and for
Speaker 1: this happening again. So two years in a row. That's terrible.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. They can go back to us bro uh
Speaker 1: and other news retirement news Vince wolferk who uh one
Speaker 1: of the great nose tackles of his generation. When two
Speaker 1: rings with the Patriots finished his career in Houston, he
Speaker 1: retired on Monday, and he he retired in a very
Speaker 1: twenty first century manner on via paid sponsorship with Kingsford
Speaker 1: the Grill Company video he released on his Twitter feed
Speaker 1: in which he said he was walking away leaving the game,
Speaker 1: but uh still gonna grill or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was weird, but Vince will for thirty five years old,
Speaker 1: former first round pick Greg Where does he rank for
Speaker 1: you amongst your favorite Patriots of the Belichick era? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a long, impressive, fun list. He's up there. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's certainly one of my favorite defensive players, uh, just
Speaker 1: because of his personality. If nothing else, I mean, unless
Speaker 1: you're really breaking down the tape, you're not seeing all
Speaker 1: the good things that Wilford does on a snap to
Speaker 1: snap basis, taking up two blockers, basically shutting down the run.
Speaker 1: Early in his career, teams just ran away from him.
Speaker 1: That's like the best compliment you can possibly have. He
Speaker 1: was also um responsible for the butt fumble on some level.
Speaker 1: Uh and so he probably has one of the longest
Speaker 1: uh for a non quarterback gaps between super Bowl championships
Speaker 1: two thousand four and then what was a two thousand
Speaker 1: fifteen uh So, quite a crew. I don't know if
Speaker 1: is the Hall of Fame worthy was my guesses. He'll
Speaker 1: come just short that he's in that Hall of very
Speaker 1: good range, just because nose tackles never get the credit
Speaker 1: that they deserve. He he has a couple he didn't
Speaker 1: win in two thousand fifteen. I was checking he that
Speaker 1: was his Unfortunately he had been some bad timing there, right,
Speaker 1: Oh he and I thought he had too. He left
Speaker 1: after the Seattle Super Bowl win, didn't he? All Right,
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. Hey, don't don't beat yourself up. It's
Speaker 1: hard to keep track all these super Bowl titles. I
Speaker 1: get it, Greg, everybody I was thinking at two thousand
Speaker 1: fifteen season, Uh, you're right. He had to get a
Speaker 1: couple of second team All pros, one first team All
Speaker 1: Pro generally, that's that's probably not quite enough. Five Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1: He'll be someone I think that's talked about, but probably
Speaker 1: not into the finalists. I think he was most famous
Speaker 1: for after leaving New England was the Hard Knocks episode
Speaker 1: where he showed up wearing the giant overalls with nothing
Speaker 1: else underneath, which was one of the class of Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks moments. In his retirement video to same get up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he brings it back in that video. He also says
Speaker 1: in that video hanging up cleats but still smoking meats,
Speaker 1: and he wears a hat just as Ribs like. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a challenge and West. How about that
Speaker 1: he's famous for this because years ago his wife, uh
Speaker 1: secretly videotaped Bianca, you know, before Gisel came along. This
Speaker 1: is one thing people will remember. Vince Wilfork were about
Speaker 1: as well liked and does as much charity works as
Speaker 1: any Patriot. They were the first couple of the New
Speaker 1: England Patriots. That's all I'm saying, Fanka, Hey tell who's
Speaker 1: a Ted Johnson? Yeah? Johnson, that too. He famously stepped
Speaker 1: on the wrong toes that way. Do a web search
Speaker 1: if you want to learn a little bit more about
Speaker 1: why you do not mess with Vince Wilfork and his family.
Speaker 1: But West Wilfork looks like a man who enjoyed ribs.
Speaker 1: He looks like he knows his way around a smoker.
Speaker 1: Uh you again, tremendous ribs delivered by you at Saturday
Speaker 1: at the party. But do you think perhaps that this
Speaker 1: man could challenge you to the throne for greatest ribs
Speaker 1: hooker in America. I will tell you that in the
Speaker 1: past few months, I've made ribs that one person said
Speaker 1: was the best thing they've ever had in their mouth,
Speaker 1: and Saturday night, Jay Berg said the best meat he's
Speaker 1: eaten in years of any kind. I think it's like
Speaker 1: cornerbacks in the NFL, like you have to whether you're
Speaker 1: the best or not, you have to have the mindset
Speaker 1: that you're the best. And I don't think Vince Wilford
Speaker 1: can out rib me. I like the confidence. In fact,
Speaker 1: I love the well that what West did the other
Speaker 1: night with I don't know, there's some brown sugar and
Speaker 1: you had a new cookie. Don't give away any of
Speaker 1: that gaps. Wilford could be listening. It was it. It
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, and it was so good. I the other
Speaker 1: A few weeks back. I brought it home for my
Speaker 1: my wife, who was a chaft you know, went to
Speaker 1: culinary school, and and she put the seal of approval
Speaker 1: just like that. These are unbelievable ribs. And it says
Speaker 1: a lot about West on a party where he could
Speaker 1: not partake in the ribs. He has did generate generous
Speaker 1: heart enough to be cooking ribs, using up his energy
Speaker 1: all day to cook for the rest of us. A
Speaker 1: lot of a positive spin on it, But I mean,
Speaker 1: in all honesty, I enjoy doing it. And and in
Speaker 1: the past few months, I haven't had many weekends where
Speaker 1: I can get out and do something I enjoy. But
Speaker 1: I you know, it's a good way to spend the
Speaker 1: day if you if you love what you do, and
Speaker 1: for West that means cooking ribs, it will take you
Speaker 1: a long way. Vince, can you say you love him
Speaker 1: that much? The way he dances he loves Let's move
Speaker 1: on check in on the A certain battle that the
Speaker 1: old Jeue has been tracking down in Tampa. Roberto Aguayo
Speaker 1: against Nick Folk um quick rundown here on Friday, Aguayo
Speaker 1: goes off and practice makes everything. Dirk Cutter saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we had to sit down and come to Jesus meeting
Speaker 1: about hey, hey, just go out there and have fun.
Speaker 1: And and Oguaia was telling the media, Hey, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about it all wrong last year. I was too
Speaker 1: stressed out. I just gotta let the game come to me.
Speaker 1: If only he had said that last year, have fun,
Speaker 1: Yeah happened. Meanwhile, NICKI Folk missed some kicks late last
Speaker 1: week Monday. You gotta be thinking Cutters thinking to himself,
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be settled. I think
Speaker 1: Robbi's figured it out because now the game's coming to
Speaker 1: him easily. He's just having fun out there like a kid.
Speaker 1: And what does he do? He yaks it up on Monday.
Speaker 1: Uh both Folk and Aguaya who missed kicks on the
Speaker 1: skinny field goal posts. Uh, Folk clanging off the left,
Speaker 1: right upright. This, according to Rick Stroud of the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Times, Oguaya missed wide right. They both then missed
Speaker 1: on regulation goal posts. Aguayo hooking a kick badly to
Speaker 1: the left, and then finally Aguya made one from about
Speaker 1: fifty yards out that Folk then missed, and then dark Cutter.
Speaker 1: I'll say this about their cutter, the Bucks coach. He
Speaker 1: is leaning into this. He's sucked in as I am
Speaker 1: in this. Instead of like being a little like, you know,
Speaker 1: having a little bit of a poker face going on.
Speaker 1: He lives and dies by every Buck's practice, talking about
Speaker 1: he loves talking about that. The skinny goal post is
Speaker 1: a great move. Yeah, for the competition, you gotta go
Speaker 1: to the skinny goal post. Here's here's his quote. This
Speaker 1: is how pumped up Cutter is about this thing. Asked
Speaker 1: about the practice of the two men. Not too good,
Speaker 1: not too good. It's one day on, one day off.
Speaker 1: Whatever they ate for breakfast today off the menu, because
Speaker 1: that was neither of them was very good today. It's
Speaker 1: a simple process. Okay, you're a kicker in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Inside fifty yards you've got to make your kicks. And
Speaker 1: I'm not being a hardass or anything. That's just what
Speaker 1: it is in this league. They know it. I know it.
Speaker 1: Everyone here knows it. Folk, So you guys are aware
Speaker 1: of the steaks here, right, Like coaches watching and everything. Guys,
Speaker 1: such an unforgiving position and in sports. When you listen
Speaker 1: to Aguayo late last week, I got the sense like
Speaker 1: he was convinced of what he was saying, and there
Speaker 1: was a two percent doubt in his mind that he
Speaker 1: wasn't He's not willing to go to that dark place.
Speaker 1: But it's there. Uh. And finally our Knox starts, by
Speaker 1: the way, this week, Derk Cotter is gonna be a
Speaker 1: sneaky star here. We're gonna We're gonna like their Cotter
Speaker 1: more than we expect. It's a return engagement for Carter.
Speaker 1: He was involved with the Falcon season, which was not
Speaker 1: very memorable. Gets another shot here. Uh. Finally Uh. The
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame held their induction ceremony over
Speaker 1: the weekend. Such luminaries UH inducted included Ladanian, Thomason, Jason Taylor,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Terrilled, Davis, Kurt Warner, Um, Morton Anderson got
Speaker 1: in good for you, Morton? Who else am I missing anyone?
Speaker 1: And easily Taylor? Did he say? I said, Taylor? Uh,
Speaker 1: So it was a celebrate. Let's hear a little bit.
Speaker 1: By the way, Wes, you mentioned this in our little
Speaker 1: pre PROD meeting. UH Kurt Warner talking about his journey
Speaker 1: and called out somebody that maybe you wouldn't have expected
Speaker 1: to hear his name at a hall in Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame induction speech, But I would like to recognize one
Speaker 1: teammate who had a more profound impact on me than
Speaker 1: any other. Trent Green. Give it up, guys, Jesus, you
Speaker 1: know our pass cross in the most incredible ways, and
Speaker 1: I acknowledge you could easily be the one standing up
Speaker 1: here tonight. But the class that you showed while dealing
Speaker 1: with the toughest situations is etched in my mind. Your
Speaker 1: willingness to share your football secrets so I could succeed
Speaker 1: was incredibly valuable. But the character you displayed and the
Speaker 1: way you modeled the definition of teammate was priceless. I
Speaker 1: should I should have preface that by saying, what the
Speaker 1: backstory is? I guess it's football lord at this point,
Speaker 1: but if you don't know, if you're a younger fan.
Speaker 1: Trent Green was supposed to be the starter for the St.
Speaker 1: Lewis Rams in the season, blew out his a c
Speaker 1: L in the middle of the preseason. Dick Vermial gave
Speaker 1: his famous press conference in which he said the team
Speaker 1: will rally around Kurt Warner, who was in an arena
Speaker 1: league football quarterback, who then went on to have one
Speaker 1: of the great seasons all time by a quarterback. That
Speaker 1: entire offense became known as the greatest show on turf West.
Speaker 1: But Trent Green getting the shot out there, Uh, any
Speaker 1: other takeaways from that or the rest of the ceremony. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the takeaway from me, I mean, Kurt Warner is being
Speaker 1: self deprecating there to to a pretty large degree. But
Speaker 1: it just drives home the point how many Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers are in the Hall of Fame because of surrounding talent, scheme, coaching,
Speaker 1: landing in the landing in the exact right place. Trent
Speaker 1: Green the next year started five games when Kurt Warner
Speaker 1: was injured and had had a higher passer rating than
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, he could have been statistically one of the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks of that generation had he stayed healthy, not
Speaker 1: blown out his a c L and thrown passes the
Speaker 1: tour whole Isaac Bruce Azahirakim in Mike Martz's offense, I mean,
Speaker 1: Hecky started to, you know, roll up for yard seasons
Speaker 1: at a time when there wasn't as many passing yards
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. Uh, so you're right, he could have
Speaker 1: done great there. I liked the Hall of Fame induction ceremony.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of an event, you know, if
Speaker 1: you got to really be into football, I think to
Speaker 1: sit and watch and and really get into But if
Speaker 1: you love football, I think it's a great event. But
Speaker 1: I do think they have lost the plot with how
Speaker 1: long it is. It's it's outrageous how long the speeches are.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you fix that, because you
Speaker 1: want everyone to get their time in and thank everyone
Speaker 1: they want. But it was over four hours. I think
Speaker 1: the average almost it was close to an average of
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of speech. And even comparing it to some
Speaker 1: of the ceremonies, I'm thinking of one that I went
Speaker 1: to and I covered it for a long time. It's
Speaker 1: almost double the ceremony right now then what it was
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago, they were doing fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. So much you know, maybe one guy would
Speaker 1: really go crazy, you know, Jerry did. Jerry Jones, who
Speaker 1: was great, Uh, had one of the best ones. I
Speaker 1: thought of the night we did thirty six minutes, you know,
Speaker 1: in a lot over thirty minutes, and so maybe it's
Speaker 1: just an event for all the people there, and that's
Speaker 1: that's fine, but it's not. I don't know, it's not
Speaker 1: a TV event when when it's four and a half hours,
Speaker 1: that's fair. They got to tighten that up. By the way,
Speaker 1: Jane Slayter report in the NFL network, I think I
Speaker 1: heard this correctly that Jerry Jones is Friday night party
Speaker 1: the night before the induction. Uh cost the team or
Speaker 1: cost the owner fifteen million dollars. I did a triple
Speaker 1: take and had to ask him million was the right
Speaker 1: word there? Fifteen million dollar party? That's a bacchanalia. How
Speaker 1: about justin Timberlake played, So maybe that's costing what a
Speaker 1: couple of million right there? I don't know. How about
Speaker 1: you just get a DJ played justin Timberlake, throw a
Speaker 1: one million dollar party and then give fourteen million to
Speaker 1: some of the underprivileged youth. Of it is a little
Speaker 1: like discuss, it's a little it's a little much. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones thanked Jerry Jimmy Johnson. That was a notable moment.
Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers fans who showed up booing uh,
Speaker 1: Dean Spanos when la Danian Thomason, you know, thanks Spanos,
Speaker 1: Ladanian Thompinson had a great speech. But that that stuck
Speaker 1: in my head as kind of a memorable, real, real
Speaker 1: thing that actually happened. Morton Anderson was great, I mean,
Speaker 1: just to hear his story. Came here as an exchange
Speaker 1: student for eight months, and they just were like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's put the foreign kid out there, you know, just
Speaker 1: to live here for like seven months and never never left. No,
Speaker 1: let's put the foreign kid out there. He must be
Speaker 1: good at at kicking and none he's in the hall.
Speaker 1: Years later. Well, guys who are the age of of
Speaker 1: me and Mark Sessler, remember when most of the old
Speaker 1: most of the the good kickers in the league in the
Speaker 1: late seventies and early eighties were born outside the United
Speaker 1: States because they were the only soccer style kickers. These
Speaker 1: guys are so confused. They weren't even wear two shoes.
Speaker 1: It was just the all thing going on back in
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties. Uh, that's what's happening in the news.
Speaker 1: New Era. Oh yeah, West is wearing a new era
Speaker 1: hat today because he's his head. He's got a Paul
Speaker 1: tad and there is a wind chill in this The
Speaker 1: people like you just complained and complained. First of all,
Speaker 1: come on, get together. The air conditioning here was broken
Speaker 1: for two years NFL media. It's like a like, what
Speaker 1: is this eight? How many billion dollars? Fifteen billion dollar company? Uh?
Speaker 1: And finally they fixed it. They airlifted in a new
Speaker 1: air conditioning unit. So now instead of being eighty degrees
Speaker 1: in the newsroom literal, it's you know, sixty three degrees,
Speaker 1: layer up. That's just that's not even a hot take.
Speaker 1: Now I'm betting I'm the bad guy. They airlifted the
Speaker 1: air condition they did, there's a crane or something. New
Speaker 1: Era New Era's NFL training collection has a great combination
Speaker 1: of innovative performance and style with features like UV protection
Speaker 1: because you could always layer up. That's what I was
Speaker 1: saying to Greg. Greg has been complaining about this all day.
Speaker 1: We're cold. You can layer up, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to be at your workplace freezing. What's fun is that
Speaker 1: if you're hot, you can't hate. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: But when you go outside it's eighty five degrees, So
Speaker 1: then you're wearing your sweatshirt and it's confined and none
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Speaker 1: no reason you shouldn't make the New Era NFL training
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Speaker 1: Goods in your favorite team. I gotta tell you, I
Speaker 1: like this hat. It's a it's a buck's hat that
Speaker 1: West is wearing. That's the other interesting tidbit here. Nice angle.
Speaker 1: It was this the first hat that Sully took out
Speaker 1: of the box the Great Holy War and and hard knocks.
Speaker 1: Is this week a little tip of the captive. It's
Speaker 1: a great between West team Winston and Greg team Mariota
Speaker 1: for the future of the NFL. So flip yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: is that what I had it the other way? My bad?
Speaker 1: Anyway you are West. It's kind of a subversive move
Speaker 1: by you here. And also I am I loathe the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers uniforms, especially the rug uniforms, of which are vomit
Speaker 1: inducing literally when you have a hangover the digital alarm clock,
Speaker 1: you know, But this hat looks sharp. I like the
Speaker 1: I kind of like the red It goes good with
Speaker 1: the white shirt here. If you don't what. I'll take
Speaker 1: it home. My daughter, Alice is strangely likes the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: I think she just likes the logo of the Pirates.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be taking clothing out of your
Speaker 1: daughter's pocket, but I might need this the rest of
Speaker 1: the day. Guys, there's literally five hundred hats in the
Speaker 1: closet behind Sully that we have to figure out what
Speaker 1: to do with them. Um, all right, winners and losers
Speaker 1: of training camp ellipses so far. Now, you can make
Speaker 1: any type of judgment like that, Boots soon on the
Speaker 1: ground Hill, would you know it? It It? Hey, the game whatever?
Speaker 1: You know that society, that's that's the that's the football
Speaker 1: Gagnescente coming at us a little bit. Sometimes that's more
Speaker 1: like the average idiot on Twitter. Yeah, that's what it is. Um.
Speaker 1: But we we watch things on television, we read things
Speaker 1: on the internet. Uh, and from that we make judgment calls.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the basis of Greg's debrief. I mean,
Speaker 1: people lose jobs, people get jobs, seasons and seasons begin,
Speaker 1: signings happen. All these things are happening. Greg has his eyes.
Speaker 1: He's been at a couple of practices he's seen things
Speaker 1: that have been become part of his debrief. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so winners and losers. So let's go around the horn
Speaker 1: here a couple of times through Greg. Let's start with you, buddy,
Speaker 1: because yes, you can check it out at NFL dot
Speaker 1: com slash debrief your weekly column. Uh, give me a
Speaker 1: winner or a loser, whatever you to start with. Let's
Speaker 1: start with with a couple of losers. Well that it
Speaker 1: just sounds hard because because the number one total waste
Speaker 1: of I'm good yet, because the number one overall picks
Speaker 1: in the two thousand eleven and two thousand and twelve draft,
Speaker 1: or two of my very favorite players in the NFL
Speaker 1: to watch. And yet the fact that Cam Newton has
Speaker 1: not thrown a football in practice for eight straight days
Speaker 1: now to me, has been a strangely underplayed storyline. Everyone
Speaker 1: there says, Oh, it's fine, it's no big deal. Cam
Speaker 1: Newton started camp with absolutely no restrictions, practiced for four
Speaker 1: days and now has been out for eight days. Since
Speaker 1: he didn't practice all off season, they're trying to change
Speaker 1: their whole offensive identity. One of the key pieces for
Speaker 1: that offensive identity is Curtis Samuel, the second round Pick, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, got injured on the very first day
Speaker 1: of training camp and has not practiced one a since.
Speaker 1: So the Panthers in general, and this whole transition with
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, to me, I think you should be worried because, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he'll come back in a week and everything
Speaker 1: will be smooth sailing after that. And maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but a shoulder surgery is a really serious thing, and
Speaker 1: I think this last week points out that it's not
Speaker 1: always going to be a smooth road back, and they're
Speaker 1: missing a lot of really valuable time installing the offense.
Speaker 1: And I think if you're a Colts fan with Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: you entered training camp not knowing anything, and you know
Speaker 1: even less now he has not been close to practicing,
Speaker 1: and we're two weeks in the fact that Luck he
Speaker 1: a complete mystery, and you wrote about it in your
Speaker 1: column that you know, just the fact you know. Pagano
Speaker 1: was trying to take positive out of the fact that
Speaker 1: he was merely on the sideline watching his teammates over
Speaker 1: the weekend as some side a minor sign of progress
Speaker 1: just shows how much in the fog they are right now.
Speaker 1: It seems about what this guy's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: give to him. You're right, both both those cases, the
Speaker 1: shoulder thing, it's scary. Yeah, if you're a cold spanning
Speaker 1: you want to look on the optimis on the optimistic
Speaker 1: side that their general manager, Chris Ballard continues to your
Speaker 1: favorite type of frogs, continues to insist that luck will
Speaker 1: be ready for week one. Well, he you got to
Speaker 1: parse his words a little. He said he won't be
Speaker 1: on populist, that they're not going to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's saying he's gonna be ready for
Speaker 1: week one. I think he's practicing, right, I think that's
Speaker 1: just saying he's we're not putting him on the populist
Speaker 1: so that they would indicate they think he'll be ready
Speaker 1: in the first five weeks for sure. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think he would need to start practice. And
Speaker 1: I think Cam's point. Cam's injury points out, Okay, just
Speaker 1: because you return to practice doesn't mean you're ready to play,
Speaker 1: or that you're gonna have the same arm strength or
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people watching him to his
Speaker 1: practice that he wasn't throwing deep yet. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's a worrisome factor for two teams kind of up
Speaker 1: in the area now still today's August seven, so you
Speaker 1: don't want to go crazy. But if if Luck and
Speaker 1: Newton um well Newton, yeah, it would be equally alarming.
Speaker 1: Uh if Newton was out for another week after this,
Speaker 1: But they have to probably start getting in the mix
Speaker 1: by mid heading into late August to have a shot
Speaker 1: to start week one. But we'll see. Because you don't
Speaker 1: just want Cam Newton back, you want Cam Newton playing
Speaker 1: as well as Cam Newton can you know, like an
Speaker 1: ineffective Cam Newton is not gonna be fun to watch
Speaker 1: either if he's back for week one. Why does a
Speaker 1: couple of Benjamin by the way have wobbly legs? A
Speaker 1: medical term that was yeah, he did not. He did
Speaker 1: not participate in the fan fest or some of the
Speaker 1: team drills, and they said he had a couple of
Speaker 1: days of wobbly legs. You're a horse, they shoot you.
Speaker 1: I don't like set West. Give me a winner or
Speaker 1: maybe a winner. Yeah, sorry for starting counterbalanced that. Here's
Speaker 1: one that is not in Gregg's article, and I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are talking about it. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins in March, everybody assumed he's gonna have a down
Speaker 1: year because Deshan Jackson and Pierre Garson, two established receivers,
Speaker 1: two thousand yard guys leave the organization. I think the
Speaker 1: guys they have now, even though they're younger and the
Speaker 1: floor is lower, the ceiling is higher. I think Terrell
Speaker 1: Prior is showing that he's gonna be a real number
Speaker 1: one receiver, a Pro Bowl type of guy. Josh Dockson
Speaker 1: just came down with day to day hamstring, but has
Speaker 1: been making plays in training camp, and you know all
Speaker 1: this talk about Jamison Crowder in the off season. He
Speaker 1: might be their number three guy because Dockson is a
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, very talented. Uh And Terrell Prior
Speaker 1: I think is ready to make that leap to Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: So I think Kirk Cousins is in great shape I
Speaker 1: should have. This is why I should consult with West
Speaker 1: before I do these winners and losers columns. I should
Speaker 1: put that in there. What about Sean McVeigh not being around.
Speaker 1: It's a fair point because I really think he's a
Speaker 1: smart guy. But that's I mean, that's Jake Run's offense.
Speaker 1: You read this. There was this Jerry Brewer column in
Speaker 1: the Washington Post and prior and after reading that, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I was convinced kind of what you're saying
Speaker 1: that he is ready to take another step. We forget
Speaker 1: that this guy can get a lot better. And again,
Speaker 1: what do we not know? Why did not why did
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns say let's let's get out of this investment?
Speaker 1: Now they offered am eight million dollars a year. Well,
Speaker 1: you've been hinting for a year that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of smoke there, so there's gotta be some fire, right.
Speaker 1: I can't say, you know, yeah, this is so, but
Speaker 1: this is more your instincts here. No, I actually know
Speaker 1: beyond that, let's beyond that. I really would love to
Speaker 1: know what actually spooked the Browns some really aggressive If
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna break out the way you think
Speaker 1: could happen this year, it's it's remarkable that the Browns
Speaker 1: will let him get away. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'll throw up, let's see, I don't want to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do another winner. You brought up troll prior prior,
Speaker 1: I'll throw out Nelson Aglar And this guy is getting
Speaker 1: a lot of pop right now. Alright, I like with
Speaker 1: Celia said something I liked on the Friday Show. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna borrow sesslers m here wish cast?
Speaker 1: Is it a little bit wish casting by the Eagles
Speaker 1: now And we're gonna get to a dj reporters well
Speaker 1: in a second, but that based on strong spring practices
Speaker 1: and before we even get to the preseason, this idea
Speaker 1: now that he's going to potentially just now make this
Speaker 1: leap and become the guy that they've been waiting for
Speaker 1: three years basically for him to become so winner in
Speaker 1: the sense that everybody seems to think Nelson Agilar is
Speaker 1: now going to be a hot shot this season, but
Speaker 1: also a little doll of skepticism on my part, just
Speaker 1: I want to see him actually playing some games and
Speaker 1: making some plays against opponents. Uh and uh. I'd say
Speaker 1: dj J is a winner because he makes the comment
Speaker 1: on on apparently as a podcast on this network. But
Speaker 1: he said the Moving Sticks Moving the Sticks podcast, Um,
Speaker 1: he moving in with the sticks. He's podcast with Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: Hey sticks come out in um. Anyway, he said that
Speaker 1: he was certain that Nelson was going to get some
Speaker 1: Nelson Agal was gonna get some work out in the slot.
Speaker 1: What was that mean for Jordan Matthews. And then Matthews
Speaker 1: starts sniping a DJ a little bit, and DJ is
Speaker 1: too nice a guy to to go back clap back
Speaker 1: at Jordan Matthews. And I won't do it on his behalf,
Speaker 1: but I'll say Jordan Matthews being ultra sensitive about it,
Speaker 1: DJ very plugged into the Eagles. Eagles wanted DJ bad
Speaker 1: to get to to work with them. That you used
Speaker 1: to work in that building, he's probably knows that he's
Speaker 1: talking about in this case. Well, two things on this
Speaker 1: agilar since all this came out, keep separating from defensive
Speaker 1: backs better than any receiver on the Eagles roster and
Speaker 1: also is starting to drop the ball again. But but
Speaker 1: his one telling thing, and this was on Monday. They
Speaker 1: asked uh, the offensive coordinator about it, and he he
Speaker 1: essentially admitted, well, yeah, our plans are gonna be a
Speaker 1: little different in the slot. Well yeah, so that he
Speaker 1: They're they're not saying it, you know, and they're saying
Speaker 1: everything is a competition right now. They were asking, well,
Speaker 1: what about Jordan Matthews. He said everything is a competition now,
Speaker 1: so now you know they're coming out publicly and more
Speaker 1: or less confirming what DJ saying. Well, then while we're
Speaker 1: on it, let's throw Jordan Matthews into the losers because
Speaker 1: they're turning him into the Michael Kendricks of the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. What's his rule? Why? I think
Speaker 1: his role might be getting traded? Oh? No, is Jordan
Speaker 1: Matthews about to become the number one wide receiver of
Speaker 1: the Jets for like the third round or or the
Speaker 1: Texans the Bills were another one that came to mind.
Speaker 1: The Texans could really use a uh could really use
Speaker 1: a receiver, And I think that could be that could
Speaker 1: be a fit. I mean, they got Braxton Miller, but
Speaker 1: if you think about if you go through a team
Speaker 1: by team who needs a slot receiver, and there are
Speaker 1: not many teams at all. Texans though Braxton Miller's a
Speaker 1: slot receiver. That's where he's been training since they drafted.
Speaker 1: But is he between him and Jalen Strong? I mean,
Speaker 1: that is a bad two three combo. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's just just throwing it out there. I mean, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're up well and and I did want to stick
Speaker 1: up for DJ, by the way quickly because he took
Speaker 1: he went after him for his mock draft accuracy, right,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, whild researching for this winners and losers.
Speaker 1: I found some random Eagles article that was like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: and they went through DJs apparently they score the mock
Speaker 1: drafts ractreacy and they showed they were like, actually, DJ
Speaker 1: has been uh performing at a very high level for
Speaker 1: four straight years. Sorry, Jordan Matthews, he got banged. Alright,
Speaker 1: very good, All right, you're up. I'm gonna give another
Speaker 1: winner one that wasn't in the column, you know, just
Speaker 1: a little extra here for our podcast list. Uh. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham has not been talked about much on this podcast
Speaker 1: for a long time, but I thought it was really
Speaker 1: telling that Pete Carroll said how limited he was in
Speaker 1: terms of what they could do with him in practice
Speaker 1: last year, that they were careful with him because he
Speaker 1: was coming back from that surgery, and yet he was
Speaker 1: still pretty effective on the field. And from the reports
Speaker 1: at Seahawks training camp, the fact he's down fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty pounds and people just saying that he's looking really
Speaker 1: good and he's a full go practicing fully every day.
Speaker 1: I feel good about Jimmy Graham. If you're drafting in
Speaker 1: fantasy leagues. I like a little Jimmy Graham come back
Speaker 1: this year. The coolest thing about Jimmy Graham is that
Speaker 1: some days in training camp he flies his own plane
Speaker 1: and lands it right there on the shores of Lake
Speaker 1: Washington and shows up the training camp like that. It's
Speaker 1: kind Yeah, you're definitely, You're definitely a winner. You're a
Speaker 1: winner just for that. That's a baller move. It's true.
Speaker 1: It's true. He rushed his patellar tendon, which is one
Speaker 1: of the worst injuries you could have. He beat the timetable,
Speaker 1: came back last year. Was the same kind of a
Speaker 1: red zone dude that could do damage, had nice numbers.
Speaker 1: He makes sense now. We talked about that injury a lot.
Speaker 1: Will we ever get back to being the same type
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Graham Unknown, but it seems to be trending
Speaker 1: in the right direction. Losing weight probably helps that. West
Speaker 1: give us one another guy not on Greg's list. Uh this,
Speaker 1: I didn't think you got you guys would pick off
Speaker 1: the list anyhow. You know, Dirk Cutter likes to brag
Speaker 1: about how he's doing this whole and stick routine with
Speaker 1: Doug Martin. Do you know who did the best carrot
Speaker 1: routine throughout the off season Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch
Speaker 1: with Carlos Hide comes into shape and the best comes
Speaker 1: into camp the best shape his life. Everybody's talking about
Speaker 1: how he's gonna lose his job. He's one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the field in their training camp, and
Speaker 1: he's in a great offense for his talent. I think
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide is going to have a career year. This
Speaker 1: ship not so subtle shot across Greg's bow. Your response, Greg,
Speaker 1: you know, I maybe I got some bad information. Maybe
Speaker 1: they were putting it out there that he was that
Speaker 1: he needed to show up the camp. You know, they
Speaker 1: were trying to motivate that. Part of the carrot routine
Speaker 1: was getting NFL insiders. And and I'm not taking the
Speaker 1: l on that until we're at week one and he
Speaker 1: hasn't been traded. Who knows, maybe they still trade him.
Speaker 1: I don't think that you asked Evan Silva to run
Speaker 1: with that report either. It's fair, it's fair. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: he actually did check with me, Okay, sure go why
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a loser then a uh and then
Speaker 1: kind of a speed round, quick winner, and you guys
Speaker 1: can do one more quick as well. Um a losers
Speaker 1: called Papernick. I don't we don't need to go into
Speaker 1: deep deep dive on this, but he couldn't get the
Speaker 1: job in Baltimore. In fact, we might see another missive
Speaker 1: by the Ravens at some point, an update on their situation,
Speaker 1: um about whether they've made a decision or not. But
Speaker 1: you would think at this point, if it hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen in Baltimore. Miami doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he was ever really considered because they quickly uh pounced
Speaker 1: on Jay Cutler as their guy. Um, I know, Greg,
Speaker 1: you you talked about the Seahawks. Maybe I think the
Speaker 1: acts can make sense. Travon Boyken reportedly not playing well
Speaker 1: at all at Teahawks camp. But if it's not the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: then who is it. He might actually not get a job,
Speaker 1: which I thought all along he would eventually get a job,
Speaker 1: but now I would say it's more likely he doesn't. Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll see about that. And then my winner we kind
Speaker 1: of brought we brought them up a little earlier. But
Speaker 1: Tom Savage, I think is because Tom Savage, if I
Speaker 1: had a guess one guy coming out of the draft
Speaker 1: who was in greatest danger of losing, UH, losing a
Speaker 1: quarterback competition to a rookie, I would have said was him.
Speaker 1: With them UH selecting to Shaun Watson and the amount
Speaker 1: of hype around that pick and the way ownership is
Speaker 1: in Houston, I thought that Savage is in a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble. But apparently, at least heading into the preseason,
Speaker 1: everyone says that Tom Savage is a head on the cards.
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins is all amped up about him, calling him
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. You could not have asked for a
Speaker 1: better start to training camp, uh, in terms of what
Speaker 1: people are saying about you and how you're playing than
Speaker 1: Tom Savage, who might be real if the practice reports
Speaker 1: are right, they've both played well that that Watson has
Speaker 1: come in and been a little better than expected and
Speaker 1: Savage has just had a getting better with the competition.
Speaker 1: Al Right, Greg one more? Alright? How about a couple
Speaker 1: the Bay area Smith? How about that for connecting two
Speaker 1: things that they'll make any sense? Malcolm Smith signs a
Speaker 1: big free agent deal. UH in San Francisco. Was the
Speaker 1: one guy that knew that defense that was supposed to
Speaker 1: help teach it. He's now out for the season. Sean
Speaker 1: Smith in Oakland, who has guaranteed more than nine million
Speaker 1: dollars this year or he might be on the way out,
Speaker 1: was demoted to second string cornerback, number four cornerback on
Speaker 1: the team, behind an undrafted rookie and uh a second
Speaker 1: year players third year player in t J. Kerry. This
Speaker 1: is before their first round pick is even back on
Speaker 1: the field. They demoted Sean Smith for playing poorly, so
Speaker 1: if that money wasn't guaranteed, he might be on the
Speaker 1: way out. They've got him playing nickel linebacker. They had
Speaker 1: him yet then the third or fourth thing, they're just
Speaker 1: like trying to find something for him to do. The
Speaker 1: Custodian this is a good one that is on Greg's list.
Speaker 1: The two thousand seventeen Chargers rookie draft class, they you
Speaker 1: could argue strong argument they had the best two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen rookie class. Joey Boza, hunter, Henry Davis, Brown, kicker, punter,
Speaker 1: they fullback Derek Watt. They had a really impactful draft class.
Speaker 1: They've already lost their first round pick and what their
Speaker 1: second or third round pick round pick second round pick
Speaker 1: from this year's draft. This is a very auspicious beginning
Speaker 1: for the Chargers draft class. Very true. All right, there
Speaker 1: you go. Those are the takeaways from the early portion
Speaker 1: of training camp the preseason kicks off. Does the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game technically count as a preseason game standalone entity?
Speaker 1: How do they break ties in the preseason standings? In
Speaker 1: if you go five and oh you're the change? Damn.
Speaker 1: But an advantage for America's team, big big win last
Speaker 1: week now now looms even larger now that I know
Speaker 1: it's technically part of the standings. They they'll win even
Speaker 1: if another team goes undefeated. They win by half a game, Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta win four more. But yeah, hey, halfway there
Speaker 1: home maybe anyway, we'll be back on Wednesday. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what I say? Halfway there? It was the thirty nine,
Speaker 1: and I thought maybe it was unfair to me. Uh
Speaker 1: from a cold town. It was not right. Uh. Preseason
Speaker 1: starts in earnest Thursday. That's what I was trying to
Speaker 1: get to. So we'll be talking about what we see
Speaker 1: in those games on Friday. On Wednesday, we'll be back.
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