Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast are huge in Japan. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented my new era. My name is Dan Hansus and
Speaker 1: I'm joined by a room fella. There I was Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rosantal. What's up boys? Hey Nan? Yeah, Greg,
Speaker 1: with his own life, became huge in Japan by marrying
Speaker 1: a woman who hails from Japan. Oh yeah, she you know,
Speaker 1: she more than we families in Japan. She was California
Speaker 1: Japan growing. But I go, I go a lot. I'm big.
Speaker 1: It's nice being around people where I'm an average height.
Speaker 1: Are you average height? When you go to Japan's they're
Speaker 1: probably a little short. But no, there's yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm like the tallest person in our family. Very cultural. Great,
Speaker 1: are you really? I mean we're all about the same.
Speaker 1: She's not like an oak tree, you know. Um, not
Speaker 1: an insult. I'm just saying, like, there are people that
Speaker 1: are shorter than you in your I figured like the
Speaker 1: and also all the men in the family. Well no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not counting, and by the way you have it,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not counting my brother and my father.
Speaker 1: The people I grew up with. That's no longer my family.
Speaker 1: Second about my Japanese family. Bad news for the arrest
Speaker 1: of the Rosenthal clan, Greg is basically this owned you
Speaker 1: over the last Um. Welcome back, everybody. This is the
Speaker 1: Wednesday Show, the Wednesday Video Show, which you could check
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Speaker 1: or you could just go to that website literally at
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Speaker 1: will be videos on the site. I like urgency from
Speaker 1: the overseas crowd, so figured out as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: Being told in the inner ear piece that it's nine
Speaker 1: thirty pm Eastern. That's a change. That's a programming programming change,
Speaker 1: isn't it. No, I think it's always been nine. It's
Speaker 1: a rough start for It's gonna be a lot to
Speaker 1: overcome anyway, alright, So deal with it, um, West. You
Speaker 1: know we don't always get West of this anymore. Famously, West,
Speaker 1: celebrating the Cincinnati Bengals bowing out of the playoffs immediately
Speaker 1: on the first Saturday of January. But you know we
Speaker 1: do get every year NFL preseason. Can I know you
Speaker 1: love the NFL preseason? Was it's coming up, it's starting
Speaker 1: in Earnest. Well, one of those events is a celebration
Speaker 1: the Bengals losing every year in January. So I figured,
Speaker 1: since you love the training training camp so much, or
Speaker 1: the preseason so much, we're gonna have our spotlight where
Speaker 1: we talk about some preseason games. We're need a whole
Speaker 1: segment later in the show. Today war preseason. It's exciting.
Speaker 1: Today's show is it's a good show today, Jay Cutler,
Speaker 1: you know he's in Miami. Now that man's got a mind?
Speaker 1: What is it like an elephant? Is that what they
Speaker 1: say like the elephan remembers everything? That a true thing?
Speaker 1: How do we even know that elephants are very smart? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but honestly their em paths too. What do they do?
Speaker 1: What did they do that is so smart? I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand in nature they're smart, but they're they're not
Speaker 1: to any sort of technological achievement or any achievement of
Speaker 1: any need like did they know Excel? No, they don't
Speaker 1: do spreadsheets. Hard knocks is back. Also, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that you can check out the Hard Knocks recaps
Speaker 1: written by the old Zeuser, And we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the season premiere the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A nice
Speaker 1: start to that season. And also somebody got paid. Freeman
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Falcons got a new deal. What does
Speaker 1: that mean? Uh? For Freeman, probably a nice financial setup
Speaker 1: for his family for the rest of his life and
Speaker 1: perhaps future Freeman generations. But what does it mean also
Speaker 1: for other running backs, notably one in Pittsburgh that is
Speaker 1: trying to get paid as well. So all that coming
Speaker 1: up today. Very good show. I'm excited. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a hard pivot out
Speaker 1: of the elephant talk. I think we should go back
Speaker 1: to that for ten fifteen minutes before moving on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel like you're afraid of the topic. I
Speaker 1: think it's a topic that you don't want to change.
Speaker 1: Is the way we think about animals. The elephant is
Speaker 1: actually the elephant in the room here. Let's let hey
Speaker 1: elephants come back to us a little bit about how
Speaker 1: smart you are. We got elephant's got you. Most of
Speaker 1: the porpoises only like two mammals, well, you know, chimpanzees,
Speaker 1: al right before we get into news, we'll say hello,
Speaker 1: sitting in a big, big room behind the glass today,
Speaker 1: so many new era hats as well. I mean they
Speaker 1: cannot say that we are not embracing our sponsor. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's m VP behind the glassy. Em what's going on, guys?
Speaker 1: Happy to be back now? Is there some type of
Speaker 1: power move going on right now? Because Sully is behind
Speaker 1: the glass, but he's tucked under a bucket hat. Bucket
Speaker 1: hat working the graphics side of things. Yeah, you might
Speaker 1: be onto something in the corner. I always I was
Speaker 1: immediately think that Sully probably unfortunately got into some day
Speaker 1: drinking very early in the morning, has been you know,
Speaker 1: put into the a crowns. All right, let's do some news. Emma,
Speaker 1: I'll feel out the Crocodilehana were us? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. All right now, let's start, yes with the
Speaker 1: two time Pro Bowl running back DeVonta Freeman a new
Speaker 1: five year contract extension that makes him the NFL's highest
Speaker 1: paid quarter running back. According to Mike Silver, the extension
Speaker 1: pays out forty one point to five million. The Falcons
Speaker 1: confirmed that extension on Wednesday morning. Former Florida State star
Speaker 1: really you know emerged last year as a true uh
Speaker 1: you know, could argue borderline superstar in the league last
Speaker 1: year with that type of potential and West now the
Speaker 1: Falcons have done business. Is it's smart in this age
Speaker 1: where nobody wants to pay running back to give a
Speaker 1: guy like Freeman this nice a deal. Sure is. He's
Speaker 1: the most productive running back in the NFL over the
Speaker 1: last two years in terms of rushing yards, rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and yards from scrimmage. He and Tevin Coleman are the
Speaker 1: best complimentary back in the NFL and they're really not
Speaker 1: paying him that much. You look la Damian Tomlinson in
Speaker 1: two thousand four, this is thirteen years ago, became the
Speaker 1: highest paid running back in the NFL with twenty one
Speaker 1: million and guarantees. Thirteen years ago. DeVonta Freeman is getting
Speaker 1: twenty two million and guarantees. It's basically no no progress
Speaker 1: whatsoever for running backs. In fact, they make quite a
Speaker 1: bit less money on average than they did a decade ago. Well,
Speaker 1: they produced less overall. The fact that DeVante Freeman is
Speaker 1: the only player in the NFL to have a thousand
Speaker 1: rushing yards and each of the last two seasons is
Speaker 1: an outrageous that that it's an anomaly. You would not
Speaker 1: expect that too often. But in this room, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna to our own horn too much. But
Speaker 1: we we've been saying for years that DeVante Freeman is
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated, underappreciated players in the league
Speaker 1: in terms of the value that he brings. That he
Speaker 1: doesn't need four hundred touches to be valuable because he
Speaker 1: can do everything. I mean, he's so good between the tackles,
Speaker 1: he's so good in the past and game. He's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch, So it makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to make this commitment. Part of this steal
Speaker 1: came because of the way he was used in Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan's scheme twenty two touchdowns over two years. Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: loves his running backs and he makes them productive and
Speaker 1: this is not unusual. But I think it only adds
Speaker 1: pressure to Steve Sarkisian where you are. It's not pressure, Valve,
Speaker 1: just regular human pressure. This week and again, this is
Speaker 1: a guy that's never called plays at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: and he's replacing one of the best in game play
Speaker 1: callers of our generation. And Kyle Shanahan who used Freeman
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. It's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see with all those characters on that offense, especially Freeman,
Speaker 1: how they get out of the gate. Earlier, we should
Speaker 1: mention that, you know, Freeman, the last couple of carries,
Speaker 1: the last couple of minutes, like, those are things that
Speaker 1: he has to get past. That he he had a
Speaker 1: chance to win the Super Bowl by picking up at
Speaker 1: first down. He was a big part in blowing that
Speaker 1: block which eventually turned that game. People complained that they
Speaker 1: didn't run the ball at the end of that game.
Speaker 1: They didn't run about well, they had about three or
Speaker 1: four runs where if they picked up three or four
Speaker 1: yards in those plays, they win that game because half
Speaker 1: center was playing on a broken also had some fantastic
Speaker 1: and it wasn't his fault, just that running game. Mark. Yes,
Speaker 1: Freeman head touchdowns in the past two seasons. I'm talking
Speaker 1: on the ground, baby, twenty two touchdowns two touchdowns on
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, but you were talking more like how
Speaker 1: he's valuable in a lot of ways to the offense,
Speaker 1: So I think you would include all sorts. Well, you've
Speaker 1: done that for me in a totally flattering way. I'd
Speaker 1: like to make a request. Yes, don't correct Mark anymore?
Speaker 1: Why not? Because he's a good guy. Are the kissing
Speaker 1: cousins back? Well they're back? Wow? All right, that's good
Speaker 1: to hear. Well, good guy. We're in a post truth society?
Speaker 1: Are we trying? Are we? Are we at? Are we
Speaker 1: at the era now where we need to protect Mark
Speaker 1: from himself and it's better to just stay out of
Speaker 1: the way even if there's errors involved. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that's called football season. Yeah, that makes sense this guy.
Speaker 1: Look at this guy? Wow, alright, West, thank you though,
Speaker 1: just just fired the gun. I will take it under advisement.
Speaker 1: How about that it will come back away guarantee. Hey,
Speaker 1: j Cutler's back in town. Um with him? Well, he's
Speaker 1: not backing down. He's in Miami now. He's on the Dolphins. Uh,
Speaker 1: reunited with Adam Gaze, who he had some success with
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Adam Gaze, Um who Um is a guy
Speaker 1: that knows how to coach up quarterbacks were told. Cutler
Speaker 1: apparently looks the same according to the coach in practice,
Speaker 1: even of joining training camp late the way he has.
Speaker 1: Here's what Jay Cutler had to say when he was
Speaker 1: asked how much he remembers Uh, from the offense he
Speaker 1: was in Chicago. Is it like a rash of course today? Um,
Speaker 1: you know it's a kind of a crash. Course. He
Speaker 1: already took the course before, so some of those some
Speaker 1: of the run games has changed. Passing games is kind
Speaker 1: of relatively same protection as they changed up a little bit. So, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of working with bow out there,
Speaker 1: just going to the run game and making sure I'm
Speaker 1: saying on that. But you know, he come back to
Speaker 1: here's what everything with offense, and you know, the biggest
Speaker 1: thing for him was just kind of getting that field
Speaker 1: with the rush. It's one thing to throw on more
Speaker 1: routes on air one on ones, but they get in
Speaker 1: there and be able to take some reps with the
Speaker 1: line in there, and you know, just be able to
Speaker 1: see everything kind of develop in our our player's body language,
Speaker 1: how they run routes. I mean, it's just that's the
Speaker 1: biggest difference for him, and just kind of getting that
Speaker 1: field back and pass rush that was the case after
Speaker 1: Cutler there, Mark, are you buying into this idea that
Speaker 1: it will be a kind of a seamless transition into
Speaker 1: the Dolphins offense. I think it's a good pairing. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I should be so impressed that a
Speaker 1: quarterback remembers a playbook that he was deeply engaged in
Speaker 1: less than two years ago. That this is something in
Speaker 1: theory you're pouring over twelve hours a day, not just
Speaker 1: during the football season, but all year long, a document
Speaker 1: that you then go with other humans practice over and
Speaker 1: over for hours and hours a day, and that roughly,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty months later, Oh, I still remember that vaguely,
Speaker 1: and that's some press so to me, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: slow down on that. This takes me back to two
Speaker 1: thousand nine when Brett Farve shows up in Vikings training
Speaker 1: camp after the camp's over so in late August, after
Speaker 1: they recruited him, goes out and has the best age
Speaker 1: forty season in NFL history, the best season by any
Speaker 1: Vikings quarterback in history. After missing all of training camp
Speaker 1: and not getting any rip poor with his new research,
Speaker 1: a reminder that O t as mini camps and even
Speaker 1: training camp to an extended a little overrated. They're essentially
Speaker 1: they're just to keep NFL Network on the air. I'm
Speaker 1: more impressed physically. We've been getting great ratings on Inside
Speaker 1: Training Camp Live. Network guy over there. I ended today
Speaker 1: on what um, moving on? Moving on? Did you have
Speaker 1: a you have something else? So I was gonna say
Speaker 1: I was more impressed with the network bress anymore. I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying this as a j Cutler fan because this is
Speaker 1: the honeymoon period. This is probably the peak of what
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler's time in Miami is really gonna be, even
Speaker 1: though I believe it will be better. People reporting that
Speaker 1: he's dropping forty fifty yard passes on a dime in
Speaker 1: his first practice back, like after not throwing the ball,
Speaker 1: He's like, everything else you can't do, that's the problem,
Speaker 1: read defenses and all that. Moving on, It's all over
Speaker 1: for Brandon Flowers in the NFL. The former Chargers in
Speaker 1: chiefs running a cornerback, announced on Instagram that he is
Speaker 1: retiring from the NFL. Spent nine years in the league. Uh.
Speaker 1: Steve Weisch of the Network Greg's colleague first reported the development. UH.
Speaker 1: The Chargers cut cut Ties with Flowers back in March.
Speaker 1: And Flowers is a pretty big deal when they signed
Speaker 1: him a couple of years ago as a free agent,
Speaker 1: but um injuries caught up to him. Uh. He missed
Speaker 1: most of the last season thirty one years old. Uh,
Speaker 1: the end for Brandon Flowers. But in his day a
Speaker 1: few years back, he was one of the better cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. But it happens quick. We learned it
Speaker 1: through all revas. These guys disappear quickly at that position.
Speaker 1: What's another player whose career is over because of concussions.
Speaker 1: It's a hundred, you know. He he has been struggling
Speaker 1: with concussions, uh, and last year had not recovered from money.
Speaker 1: It's it's like this is happening more and more. This
Speaker 1: is a guy who who signed a deal with San Diego,
Speaker 1: played very well and then signed another big time deal,
Speaker 1: so he kind of has that security long term, but
Speaker 1: his life has changed like that. It just feels like
Speaker 1: this wasn't happening that much ten years ago, where we
Speaker 1: heard players retiring solely because of concussions, and that's what
Speaker 1: this is. Well, we saw that first wave with the
Speaker 1: Niners where was Chris Borland and Patrick Willis that everyone
Speaker 1: all injuries and the physical body if it isn't perfect,
Speaker 1: players are willing to cut bait with the pro football
Speaker 1: careers a lot sooner than we ever would have imagined
Speaker 1: as kids. Um for the last time, perhaps on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Take it away, scary obese woman from True Detective season one.
Speaker 1: You want to make flowers today? One more time? You
Speaker 1: want to make flowers today? You want to make hours.
Speaker 1: I've got a proposal. You know, the best defensive player
Speaker 1: on the Patriots Super Bowl Championship young player Tree Flowers,
Speaker 1: could come up. It's not the same about every time
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers allows a sack. I'm just saying we have
Speaker 1: to Maybe we'll have a vote. Okay. I just always
Speaker 1: thought Brendan Flowers, we can't wrap this into a New
Speaker 1: England Patriots success story that I don't want. I don't
Speaker 1: have that stank on it. Just one more thought on this.
Speaker 1: How impressive is Terrence and Newman going to be thirty
Speaker 1: nine years old still playing cornerback at a high level
Speaker 1: in Darrell Reevas and Brandon Flowers nearly ten years younger
Speaker 1: than him, not longer in the league. Uh. In other news,
Speaker 1: John Elway make Elway great again. Listen, this is what
Speaker 1: John Elway had to say that the general manager of
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. Uh. There was a report out there
Speaker 1: floated by one oh four point three of the fan.
Speaker 1: I guess that's a local Mark you spent some time
Speaker 1: up in Denver? Is that? And it was by reporter
Speaker 1: named Sandy Cloud. Oh, it's a cloud bomb. Just it
Speaker 1: feels it feels like something we would create in this
Speaker 1: aunt anyway, Sandy Klou reported that the Broncos were actively
Speaker 1: pursuing a J. McCarron, the backup quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: Of course this type of report comes to light, I
Speaker 1: guess after there there have been reports that the camp
Speaker 1: battle between Trevor Simeon and Paxton Lynch hasn't been going
Speaker 1: to gangbusters, So this report gets floated that Denver's poking
Speaker 1: around looking for maybe another option. John Elway not having it,
Speaker 1: by the way he tweets out early this morning, rumor
Speaker 1: of us being interested in anyone other than the qbas
Speaker 1: we have is another example of irresponsible fake news. An
Speaker 1: absolute voice double this tweets not for John that that
Speaker 1: remembered since past the smell test? What's a J. McCarron
Speaker 1: giving you that Trevor Simmon, impact and Lynch aren't? Because
Speaker 1: someone tell me why everyone? If this is you know
Speaker 1: the Denver Post shop, this down is one and fifty
Speaker 1: percent false, which is really false. Um, what is with
Speaker 1: a J. McCarron. What is the love affair? Even with
Speaker 1: fake reports about a J. McCarron. Can we calmed down
Speaker 1: a little bit with Cleveland? It had ties to Hugh
Speaker 1: Jackson and Cleveland had no quarterbacks, so it made a
Speaker 1: little bit more sense there. I'm with you. I don't
Speaker 1: see why Elway would pick a J. McCarron out of
Speaker 1: any possible trade blasting this. We would not. We would
Speaker 1: have never heard about this rumor because it was just
Speaker 1: some Sam mcclo has a wide net that she last.
Speaker 1: We see what you're doing with your fake news, John Elway.
Speaker 1: We saw you at the inauguration for Donald Trump. Saw
Speaker 1: you there, buddy. I think I think the appeal is
Speaker 1: a J. McCarron hasn't failed yet. That's true for a
Speaker 1: lot of young backups fans. Joseph was in Cincinnati with him.
Speaker 1: Defensive backs coach, you've done it again. You pieced that
Speaker 1: together and connected that dots. Moving on to the throne
Speaker 1: of ease. Oh my god, it keeps getting better. I mean,
Speaker 1: this winning streak is unprecedent. It's like the stock market
Speaker 1: in the late nineties. Being a Patriots fan right now
Speaker 1: because not only your winning Super Bowls constantly. Uh. Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is hot and ageless, and no one's reporting on
Speaker 1: the fact that he had a major facelift at some point,
Speaker 1: like a face off scenario. You've reported on that a
Speaker 1: few times. Sometimes hasn't stuck Stacy cloud by it's a chase,
Speaker 1: It's it's Sandy Cloud. We don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: hero she So Stacy is a little aggressive. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: should dip into that and figure that out. Anyway. So
Speaker 1: things are good for the Patriots, so good that they
Speaker 1: can go on and buy two for the first team
Speaker 1: ever to buy their own travel jets, a pair of
Speaker 1: seven sixties seven's Uh that outfitted and if you're watching
Speaker 1: on the on our video show, outfitted with all the
Speaker 1: Patriots colors and logos, and even on the tail. Uh
Speaker 1: is that what they call it? The tail that will work? Aerodynamics?
Speaker 1: Not really my specialty. UM five trophies, Lombardi trophies, you know,
Speaker 1: ponderous man. But not only a couple takeaways here. First
Speaker 1: of all, they are the first team to ever do this.
Speaker 1: Uh in the NFL. Um the jets can cost anywhere between.
Speaker 1: ESPN kind of took a wide berth on the estimate
Speaker 1: the price tag is between five and sixty five million
Speaker 1: for a used aircraft, which i've yeah, but a new
Speaker 1: one's two hundred million each. They're not getting two. They're
Speaker 1: not buying two hundred million dollar jets. Who cares anyway,
Speaker 1: but why not? Because that would cost like half a
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Almost they've got it. No one else is
Speaker 1: surprised that that no team has ever done this before.
Speaker 1: A team has the Seahawks. I read somewhere that the
Speaker 1: Seahawks once did it, but it turned out not to
Speaker 1: be cost effective. There's a whole backstory here that, um,
Speaker 1: the airline industry, these type of jets you need, the
Speaker 1: big jets that can facilitate the entire team staff and
Speaker 1: all the equipment. Um, those type of jets that are
Speaker 1: needed to to for the charter type travel are starting
Speaker 1: to be grounded for good because they're getting older and
Speaker 1: the airlines are not are saying we don't want to
Speaker 1: refurbish it. It's not cost effective. So these planes are
Speaker 1: starting to disappear. So this might end up being a
Speaker 1: model that other teams follow. Who cares, But anyway, the
Speaker 1: fact that they have two planes, I just thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting too, it's like they have a backup plane.
Speaker 1: Well that down. I remember flying out of Terminal five.
Speaker 1: I believe JFK. There was the Jet Blue Jets planes.
Speaker 1: I would refuse to fly on those. I mean it
Speaker 1: was just a regular Jets blue, but it had you know,
Speaker 1: pictures of the Jets. Those are all over the place.
Speaker 1: They still are, I believe. Well can we you don't
Speaker 1: feel safe? Um? Well, can you throw up that the
Speaker 1: image again? To one more thing I want to point
Speaker 1: out in the tweet, uh is is that the Patriots
Speaker 1: spell aircraft with a K like the owner's name. So
Speaker 1: next year when they have to paint another Lombardi onto
Speaker 1: the tail, they're going to be complaining about their not
Speaker 1: being enough room, as they did with their banners in
Speaker 1: their stadiums. You're gonna have a Brady plane. You have
Speaker 1: to have a Garoppolo plane back up. That's it. It's
Speaker 1: a president vice president thing. Did you read that in
Speaker 1: my post? Because I wrote I made the same joke.
Speaker 1: Didn't know, but good joke. That's right, just like West
Speaker 1: got the credit for it, but I wrote it like
Speaker 1: day earlier. Sorry you accusing West, just like the last
Speaker 1: thing where you like put me, put me on blast
Speaker 1: for correcting Mark. Now here's a little bit of atention
Speaker 1: on him, that's all wow. And then you know, a
Speaker 1: little joke Thievery and now we're flying. I thought his
Speaker 1: correction of you was absolutely on point. What you just
Speaker 1: did was uncalled for. Perhaps great cob on the Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks recap thanks to Transparent the right. All right, finally
Speaker 1: in the news, Uh, brock Eyswalder and the Browns. I
Speaker 1: love everything about this place. I love being a Brown
Speaker 1: and I'm just very thankful to be here. That's going
Speaker 1: on here? What's going on? I mean a week ago,
Speaker 1: Mark's tweeting that he's all in and Deshaun Watson is
Speaker 1: is killing everybody in practice. Kaiser baby, Deshaun Kaiser, excuse me?
Speaker 1: And then everyone is saying, oh, this is all trending
Speaker 1: in that direction. Now there's an ESPN report that brock
Speaker 1: Osler is expected to start the season. Um, but we'll
Speaker 1: see he's starting the first preseason game at the very least.
Speaker 1: And then the Browns put out a social media a
Speaker 1: tweet that is a it's like brock rocks. And then
Speaker 1: there is a bunch of like eighties guitar noodling, and
Speaker 1: then a basically a highlight reel of brock Eiswalder brock
Speaker 1: Oswilder checkdown passes and Browns practice. I just essentially what
Speaker 1: it was, and I just it just seems like these two,
Speaker 1: these two kids are falling in love, the Browns and
Speaker 1: brock Oswelder. Your thoughts mark well number one on. I
Speaker 1: watched that scrimmage they had last Friday where you saw
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler, Kaiser in in in Oswilder all kind of
Speaker 1: switching with various groups. Brock Ostwallder, to me from the
Speaker 1: just looking at him as an overall quarterback, look no
Speaker 1: different to me than he did last year. Nothing stood
Speaker 1: out as something had been fixed or corrected. So I
Speaker 1: this is something that I literally am not panicked over
Speaker 1: at all because again it shifted me into a place
Speaker 1: where have zero emotions attached to this team if Kaiser
Speaker 1: is not going to be on the field. But secondly,
Speaker 1: give me a break that we're figuring out who the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback of this team is before they played a
Speaker 1: preseason game. Brock Ostwaller, of any quarterback on that roster
Speaker 1: has the chance to undo all this fair praise. Reportedly,
Speaker 1: he's had his best couple of days of practice since
Speaker 1: they gave first time first team what does that mean? Though?
Speaker 1: Cody Kessler is now third team exclusively and Kaiser's with
Speaker 1: the second team, So if nothing else is it, it
Speaker 1: feels like it's down to Brack and Kaiser. Just Tody
Speaker 1: Kessler is now the Bryce Petty of the Browns quarterback battle.
Speaker 1: Just an afterthought. It appears he's right because Oswaller didn't
Speaker 1: replace Kaiser, replaced Kessler, who came in as the guy
Speaker 1: with the most experience, which is very little if you
Speaker 1: think about the NFL in general, very little, but he
Speaker 1: had the most with Hugh and he's been essentially shoved
Speaker 1: out of the picture. I think if Brock Ostwaller starts
Speaker 1: Week one, you've got to readjust your pain rankings and
Speaker 1: put Browns fans at number one again. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: be so sure about your ma's getting the number one
Speaker 1: pick necessarily. Well, it's just funny because I remember when
Speaker 1: that trade went down. I was talking to this Rold
Speaker 1: like Browns don't don't do it, don't have us in
Speaker 1: August talking about Brock Oswaller perhaps starting the season, and
Speaker 1: these guys, man, they just don't you know, And I
Speaker 1: have I have nothing to say. I'm a jetsman, I
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. Yeah, but how are we thinking
Speaker 1: that this guy is the guy should be starting week
Speaker 1: one after everything we've seen. They they literally were on
Speaker 1: the phone after they acquired him trying to get another
Speaker 1: team to take on half his salary in the trade.
Speaker 1: No other team would do that. Well in theory, the
Speaker 1: other idea not saying they're this smart, but maybe there
Speaker 1: what they're doing, they can over the next two weeks
Speaker 1: to showcase them in case someone has a terrible injury
Speaker 1: and needs to go last resort naked trade for him.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that would be. Well, we'll get
Speaker 1: to that a little bit later when we talk about
Speaker 1: uh some of our preseason crystal ball uh predictions West Buckle,
Speaker 1: Chimp Strap for that, crystal ball is going out of
Speaker 1: style like quicksand I mean you just don't hear Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's using them? It's like not Wizard of Oz. Have
Speaker 1: we seen a crystal ball that's fair? We need something new,
Speaker 1: even like a modern day psychic along the streets in
Speaker 1: l A that all over the place, there's no you
Speaker 1: don't walk in there's a crystal ball in there. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to. I didn't watch any of that stuff
Speaker 1: like Lord of the Rings or um, Harry Prince and
Speaker 1: the Pauper Popper. What's what's the other commentary? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the Harry Potter? Yes? Is there some type of
Speaker 1: update that we can use as a ref instead of
Speaker 1: crystal ball that's going on in those fantasy series? Not
Speaker 1: a Harry Potter fan, don't you gonna have to ask
Speaker 1: a different room. Enough. That's what's happened in the news. Alright,
Speaker 1: time for the Training Camp Spotlight presented by New Era.
Speaker 1: And we thought, what with preseason games opening up for
Speaker 1: all the teams this week, that we check in on
Speaker 1: two games, uh, that are gonna air on NFL Network.
Speaker 1: There are six games on NFL Network NFL Network air waves. Uh,
Speaker 1: this from Thursday through Sunday. So that's pretty cool if
Speaker 1: you're into that sort of thing. We're gonna study two
Speaker 1: of them, or not so much study, but say one
Speaker 1: thing to watch in each game? Uh, And we will
Speaker 1: start with the Bears and Broncos. Um, Greg, do you
Speaker 1: want to get us going with that? What is one
Speaker 1: thing to watch in Bears Broncos? The best? The best
Speaker 1: thing to watch in the preseason is young quarterbacks, especially
Speaker 1: once you haven't seen before. So I want to see
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trobisky play football like I've I've never seen that
Speaker 1: at a pro level. There actually been some positive reports
Speaker 1: about how his arm looks and doing some good things
Speaker 1: in practice, so that that's what I'm looking for in
Speaker 1: this game. Just see what's the troubisky Like what happened? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like I'm interested in that. And he's got
Speaker 1: to play a lot because he's the clear, he's the
Speaker 1: clear backup. He'll probably play it two full quarters. It's
Speaker 1: actually one of the rare good preseason games in theory
Speaker 1: because the Broncos are gonna have a quarterback of note
Speaker 1: playing deep into the game with Simeon and Lynch, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get your laughing. I mean, West is laughing at us.
Speaker 1: I mean, because Mark's right, all preseason games are good
Speaker 1: in theory, well at best in theory. I mean, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to Broncos competition. Though, it matters to the
Speaker 1: Broncos competition, West right, if one significantly outplays the other
Speaker 1: over the next two weeks, that person that quarterback is
Speaker 1: gonna be starting. Sure, it matters until next week's game
Speaker 1: renders this week's meaningless, and then regular season renders the
Speaker 1: entire preseason meaningless. Well, the regular season is also meaningless
Speaker 1: in the big picture as well, if you want to
Speaker 1: get well. The Super Bowl renders the entire operation meaningless
Speaker 1: in life meaningless because it ends this podcast meaningless in
Speaker 1: the big picture. Elephants meaningless always were super overrated. It
Speaker 1: was a good show done with elements. How about Chiefs
Speaker 1: forty Niners, Now, Mark, I'll throw it to you on
Speaker 1: this one, and West you could jump in if you
Speaker 1: have something that that that's getting you. Chiefs forty is
Speaker 1: one thing to watch in that game. Well, can I
Speaker 1: give you two things real fast? Sure? I want to
Speaker 1: see if there's any any visual effect of like Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan running this offense for the forty Niners after watching
Speaker 1: the disaster it was last season, And I really want
Speaker 1: to see Patrick Mahomes. I mean, it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: for it be for what a quarter and a half.
Speaker 1: I want to just I'm excited to see. The one
Speaker 1: thing about the first week of the preseason, it's your
Speaker 1: chance to see all these guys we've been writing about
Speaker 1: with very little knowledge of who they are. Yeah, West
Speaker 1: has set you've said in the past you can you
Speaker 1: can watch some running backs to kind of see how
Speaker 1: they're looking. And there's two in this game. Kareem Hunt,
Speaker 1: who might wind up being the starter as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and a guy Matt b Brita. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if that's pronounced correct, but he has been getting a
Speaker 1: lot of write ups in San Francisco potentially as the
Speaker 1: primary backup and could be in the mix. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just want to see who this guy is. I like.
Speaker 1: I do like the idea of Kyle Shannon opening up
Speaker 1: his bag of tricks in the preseason, opening teams up
Speaker 1: and down the field. If you remember when r G
Speaker 1: three was a rookie, Kyle Janhan slow played the entire
Speaker 1: NFL in the preseason and unleashed him in Week one.
Speaker 1: But you ruined my brushback. I was gonna give you.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks aren't the thing to watch in the preseason there.
Speaker 1: It's so misleading because of the vanilla defenses. It's running
Speaker 1: backs that I want to see. Like you mentioned Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt and the hyper motivated Carlo's hide a lot of
Speaker 1: hide heat in this room, but I like it. The
Speaker 1: track something The track is almost uncomfortable. That was Training
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Speaker 1: No one talking about the hats. Okay, what do we
Speaker 1: want to talk about next? So much to get to
Speaker 1: you want to do a little preseason crystal ball? You
Speaker 1: want to do it? I think we should. I mean
Speaker 1: we've told the people we don't have to do it.
Speaker 1: We could bail on it. No, I like it follow through.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're gonna have a crystal Ball, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Bring it back. We're bringing back to crystal ball.
Speaker 1: How about that as a That's gonna be tougher than
Speaker 1: bringing back your old Dean scream? What happened to the
Speaker 1: Dean scream? So let's look that up. Let's take that
Speaker 1: sucker up. I'm sure we'll come up at some point,
Speaker 1: uh West. Since you are the preseason uh star around here,
Speaker 1: why don't you get us going and take a look
Speaker 1: in a gander into your big old crystal ball. Patriots
Speaker 1: lose the game this month for the last time all season.
Speaker 1: That's why crystal Ball. You kind of just cheated. You
Speaker 1: just did a crystal Ball for the whole season. I
Speaker 1: see what you're doing whole game this month. And then
Speaker 1: people will say, oh, yeah, the Patriots aren't unstoppable. People
Speaker 1: will read too much into it, and then they'll just
Speaker 1: fly through the schedule they always do. Tom Brady, I
Speaker 1: think it's better now than he was in two thousand seven.
Speaker 1: People underrate their coaching stability to keep guys like Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels and met Patricia in house. They just keep getting better.
Speaker 1: They're not just more talented, they're deeper, they're more versatile,
Speaker 1: they're more well balanced. They can run a lot of
Speaker 1: different alignments and and uh, personnel hard to go undefeated.
Speaker 1: Ron's been kidding aside. Do you actually believe patriotsco in
Speaker 1: nineteen you think it's happening? Wow? I mean, look just
Speaker 1: look at rosters. Who's who's even close to them? Offensively?
Speaker 1: I think it's by far the best offensive roster they've
Speaker 1: had with coaching everything considered by far better than two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, which many people going into the season. I think,
Speaker 1: just overall, it's it's better. It's significantly better. Defensively, you
Speaker 1: know the front seven, it's a good front seven. It's fine.
Speaker 1: They led the NFL in total points on defense last
Speaker 1: year and then they went out and got steff On
Speaker 1: Gilmour and David Harris. I mean, great, great secondary defensively
Speaker 1: in the front seven. Have to not lose a game.
Speaker 1: I predict a huge letdown season for the Patriots sixteen
Speaker 1: and three. Where does that loss? Where does that third
Speaker 1: loss come? Somewhere before the playoffs season finale? It better
Speaker 1: not be the season finale. It's against the Jet. Stason
Speaker 1: finale against the Jets, when the Patriots are resting all
Speaker 1: their players. I still think he went big with the
Speaker 1: crystal ball. I think West might be falling for the
Speaker 1: Pats a little bit in a real way, maybe carrying
Speaker 1: that water a little bit more than water, a little
Speaker 1: bit more like maybe it's time to to find a
Speaker 1: new team, fall in love again. No, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just like good football. And there they eat deserve your respect.
Speaker 1: I think a couple of water boys buried underneath the
Speaker 1: mass Turnpike. We know that all right. By the end
Speaker 1: of the preseason, one question everyone will be asking, how
Speaker 1: will Colin Kaepernick fairs Jacksonville's starting quarterback on the heels
Speaker 1: of the team releasing a totally defunct Blake Portals. So
Speaker 1: we talked in the pre production meeting about not going
Speaker 1: too deep into the wilderness. You're right at the edge.
Speaker 1: That's where I thought you'd want me to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like you. You know you're going to correct another
Speaker 1: statistic I put. I didn't even read the rest of it.
Speaker 1: I put no stats in there. Nothing that is just
Speaker 1: crazy enough to happen. I don't know about cut cutting Boards.
Speaker 1: Initially I thought trade, but who can you trade him to?
Speaker 1: And for what? Get like a late round pick. I
Speaker 1: don't know for Blake Bortles. But if Blake Board, let's
Speaker 1: let's enter a world that marks put us in which
Speaker 1: I don't think is that crazy, which is a world
Speaker 1: in the wilderness where Blake Bortles has an absolutely awful August.
Speaker 1: Do do they start thinking about other options? I think
Speaker 1: it's fair to to wonder they have to. I saw
Speaker 1: a sentiment today that Blake Bortles is single handedly holding
Speaker 1: the Jaguars back from reaching their potential. He's not. Their
Speaker 1: front office shares that blame as well for not coming
Speaker 1: up with a backup plan at quarterback when you had
Speaker 1: all off season to do it. And we sat here
Speaker 1: in October and November of last season saying, Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: is holding this entire franchise hostage. You can't keep running
Speaker 1: him out there every week as a competitive liability. They
Speaker 1: didn't come up with a plan B in the off season.
Speaker 1: Play was right in front of them. I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say now, Jay Cutler is this guy that's
Speaker 1: a great quarterback and is gonna lead teams of the
Speaker 1: Promised Land. But he got signed a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: He got signed in August, and you sat on Chad
Speaker 1: Henny as your backup. Whether you're a fan of Cutler
Speaker 1: or not, he would at least given you a chance.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a chance. If if Portal
Speaker 1: flames that, Bortles flames out, well Cutler never would have
Speaker 1: gone to the jail. And I think the Cutler gaze
Speaker 1: thing is the only reason Cutler's even on a on
Speaker 1: a team right now. But Colin Kaepernick, Nathaniel Hackett and Buffalo,
Speaker 1: I didn't don't think he did a great thing, but
Speaker 1: he's worked with a lot of different types of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and I think that him and Maron would be potentially
Speaker 1: open to the possibility of using capital. I'll just say
Speaker 1: again because rap Sheet corrected me on Twitter the other day.
Speaker 1: J Cutler was looking hard for a job. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was looking for the perfect opportunity. Before he
Speaker 1: signed that Fox deal. He was actively his agent was
Speaker 1: making phone calls post Fox. Though before Fox, he was
Speaker 1: looking for a job and he could not get a nibble.
Speaker 1: And then he turned the page. And then once the
Speaker 1: Dolphins came, then it was like, should I do it?
Speaker 1: I need Kristen to help me with this, But this
Speaker 1: was not a situation where he was like, I need
Speaker 1: the perfect The Jets did not return his phone call.
Speaker 1: The Jets well, because we go with the Jets are
Speaker 1: up to There's sub logic though, in a in a
Speaker 1: really run based offense, what they want to do there
Speaker 1: that Kaepernick could fit. I think the owner there in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville would be someone who would be more open to
Speaker 1: it than other owners to Alright, crystal ball time take
Speaker 1: it out. Maybe we should get a crystal ball effect
Speaker 1: the next time we do it. Three weeks of the preseason,
Speaker 1: or an actual crystal ball in the student that would
Speaker 1: be nice. Three weeks of the preseason. Games have evaporated.
Speaker 1: The Texans need a wide receiver, it's becoming more clear,
Speaker 1: and the Philadelphia Eagles trade Jordan Matthews to the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans for a mid round pick, let's say fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: Jordan Matthews goes in there be the starting wide receiver
Speaker 1: across from DeAndre Hopkins. Gives them a chance, gives them something.
Speaker 1: So all this Nelson hype carries over. He's having a
Speaker 1: nice preseason and they make the move. Jordan wrote about
Speaker 1: that and what we learned yesterday did a great job
Speaker 1: on that what we left. Great job, Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1: I think that the Eagle don't really need Jordan Matthews.
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Matthews has done a lot volume wise
Speaker 1: in terms of but he doesn't make much happen after
Speaker 1: the catch. They've got four receivers. He's in the final
Speaker 1: year of his contract, and I think Houston's under the radar,
Speaker 1: a kind of a team that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on that team. I feel like to win now,
Speaker 1: even though they've got a young, a weird quarterback situation
Speaker 1: that they have really high expectations for themselves. They're all
Speaker 1: they're like the Cardinals last year, are saying like, okay,
Speaker 1: we made it into the playoffs, like this is our
Speaker 1: year that we're going over the top. And I'm thinking, like, really,
Speaker 1: the Texans are that team. I don't I don't see
Speaker 1: that nothing goods fair, that's fair, that would be a
Speaker 1: nice fit. Is Tory Smith any good by the way,
Speaker 1: because shouldn't they maybe just wait to see if that
Speaker 1: guy I can still play before they start trading in
Speaker 1: white pieces. It's a fair point. He's had one of
Speaker 1: the worst catch percentages in the league since he the
Speaker 1: last couple of years in San Francisco. But he's apparently
Speaker 1: played pretty well in training camp. All right, uh my turn,
Speaker 1: all right, Andrew Luck not gonna play in the preseason.
Speaker 1: That's I'm not hanging any onions there. I think that's
Speaker 1: a very strong positive possibility. But I believe, uh, if
Speaker 1: that leads to no preseason and they do put him
Speaker 1: on the pup, an intriguing option will be added to
Speaker 1: the court of the Colts quarterback room in uh the
Speaker 1: near future, because if you think about it, let's say
Speaker 1: I am that I'm you know, so all guesswork. But
Speaker 1: if he does, if this continues to go slowly, they
Speaker 1: throw him on the pup, which means six weeks out
Speaker 1: at the least. That means they still probably think they
Speaker 1: have a chance to make a move in the division
Speaker 1: once he returns. Hoping he returns after six weeks. They
Speaker 1: need to get to Luck in decent shape. They can't
Speaker 1: just lean on Scott Tolzine. I think they go and
Speaker 1: and get somebody, uh, any of these names, maybe a
Speaker 1: brock Osweiler, for instance, in a trade, maybe r G three.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I have to check out
Speaker 1: on that. Uh, somebody out there, uh to add to
Speaker 1: that quarterback room if he ends up going on pup.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna go with the cloak dagger
Speaker 1: routine and just withhold all intriguing names from right, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, you need to bring that
Speaker 1: crystal ball back into the shop a little more than ready.
Speaker 1: Here we go, Kaepernick, Kaepernick, I'll throw him in there.
Speaker 1: How about a little clipboard Jesus, I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to trade for an intriguing name because you're not
Speaker 1: out there but G J. Kinney, J Kenney. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: somebody that somebody gets cut some type of trade. I
Speaker 1: my my crystal ball prediction is there's somebody else in
Speaker 1: that room. When you when you think of that defense,
Speaker 1: you don't think of a lot of huge difference makers
Speaker 1: yet on the Colts defense, and the reports out of
Speaker 1: Colts practice are that the offense essentially can't do anything
Speaker 1: that Scott Tolzine uh and the other quarterbacks there aren't
Speaker 1: getting anything done to the point where it's almost hard
Speaker 1: to evaluate what else is going on. Remember the Steelers
Speaker 1: game last year when Tolzine started. That was a brutal
Speaker 1: football game. Sean Hill started week one. Uh, he's another
Speaker 1: guy out there started week one. It would be better.
Speaker 1: I'm intriggued by Sean Hill more than i am Scott Tolzine.
Speaker 1: I'll do a little Seth lobato. How about that set
Speaker 1: a procedure, Seth lobato. He's out there on the free
Speaker 1: agent market. Let's set the ball up. He's not a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I'll say, sort of a game changing tight ends movable
Speaker 1: chest piece. It's about total movable chest piece. All right,
Speaker 1: there we go. That's our preseason crystal ball. Finally, and
Speaker 1: then let me just add right now, first spoiler alert
Speaker 1: to the UK listeners. We're about to talk about Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks set again. It's really not a an excuse for
Speaker 1: you to turn this show off right now because on
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com streaming now through next week next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you can watch the premier of Hard Knocks. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: great theme song. I would say I wrote this on
Speaker 1: my Hard Knocks recap. If I could have one song
Speaker 1: to soundtrack my entire life, just looping an eternity, it's
Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks I feel like my life. It would
Speaker 1: have purpose. I would be driven and I would succeed
Speaker 1: if this song was keeping me a float. I like,
Speaker 1: if it was not an uncut version of your life
Speaker 1: and there's hours of you at a desk just typing
Speaker 1: in this music is just playing. My mouth opens, and
Speaker 1: then you think it works in the bedroom. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you mean? I mean, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: like it's playing all the time in your life, every
Speaker 1: every situation. Greg, must you go there. I'd appreciate. I'm
Speaker 1: saying what everyone thought. That's what you thought, weird dude
Speaker 1: bro Um. Anyway, the season premiere of Hard Knocks, Uh
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and I thought my initial takeaway and
Speaker 1: then I'll throw it to all you guys because I
Speaker 1: know all you guys watched it as well. Uh was that.
Speaker 1: I think they did a nice job in the fact
Speaker 1: that they have a bigger um, more chess pieces to
Speaker 1: use that again to work with. Then, say the Rams
Speaker 1: season last year where by the fourth episode they were
Speaker 1: sending the the guy that didn't believe in dinosaurs to
Speaker 1: Disneyland and then to like a museum about dinosaurs, was like,
Speaker 1: clearly they had kind of hit a wall in terms
Speaker 1: of what direction to take the show this season. They
Speaker 1: have so many things, so many directions to take the show,
Speaker 1: so many interesting personalities, the fact that that it's a
Speaker 1: team on the rise, it's a it's a really good
Speaker 1: team for this type of treatment. Uh. So I'd like
Speaker 1: the choice to really make episode one about the guy
Speaker 1: that's the focal point of the franchise right now, Jamis Winston.
Speaker 1: And it was really his show, and they they showed
Speaker 1: his life, um growing up in in Alabama, and they
Speaker 1: showed his relationship with Dark Cutter. In fact, I think
Speaker 1: we have a clip here. Uh something I found interesting.
Speaker 1: Uh this is all coaches asked a lot of their quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting this guy's twenty three years old, still
Speaker 1: Winston so young, and his coach is asking him to
Speaker 1: perform like some of the best quarterbacks in in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL, because that's the type of potential
Speaker 1: this guy has. Let's listen it. As far as doing
Speaker 1: too much, I just want to have a good understanding
Speaker 1: how much is doing too much? Okay, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: And here's what I would say on that is, we
Speaker 1: have a good defense now, so maybe we got to
Speaker 1: cut our risk a little bit your m O and
Speaker 1: your career was. You've always been a risk taker. Even
Speaker 1: if he got you in trouble already in a game,
Speaker 1: either you've been good enough or your team has been
Speaker 1: good enough to bail you out of it. And now
Speaker 1: we have a good team. We have by far the
Speaker 1: best team we've had since you've been in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And you are a guy that's able to win a game,
Speaker 1: but you're also we don't we don't need you to
Speaker 1: lose the game for us. You're the only guy that
Speaker 1: can really lose a game for us because no one
Speaker 1: else touches the ball enough. So there's a fine mind
Speaker 1: there and you're a great competitor, but we got to
Speaker 1: get some patients in there now. We need you to
Speaker 1: be a great quarterback. You played different style quarterback than
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. You closer. You play your closer style to
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, both great quarterbacks. Both guys will be in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame now it's time. Even though they
Speaker 1: got years on you, You've got to play like that
Speaker 1: because it's shoot, that's that's just the way this lead is.
Speaker 1: They don't care if you're twenty three or thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Uh to get the respect you want and to go
Speaker 1: our team wants more than anything. Greg, I'll start with you.
Speaker 1: I thought Winston came up very well. It came off
Speaker 1: as an affable guy. Like the end of the episode
Speaker 1: when they showed and some people say, oh, you guys
Speaker 1: killed J J. Watt Ford doing the practice alone by himself,
Speaker 1: But that felt way more manufactured than Winston getting up
Speaker 1: at five am and being the first in the gym,
Speaker 1: the first in the weight room, which is all the
Speaker 1: stuff you hear about guys like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: I thought Winston came up very well, and I would
Speaker 1: feel very good if I was a Bucks fan watching
Speaker 1: this episode. Absolutely, the advantage of this show is that
Speaker 1: the super stars on their team are the best personalities,
Speaker 1: are great personalities, not just Jamis Winston, but the Sean
Speaker 1: Jackson and Gerald McCoy, who were both featured heavily. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love getting to know Jamis Winston because he's such
Speaker 1: an engaging personality. He has such a great story, and
Speaker 1: the most telling part of that whole show for me
Speaker 1: with Jamis Winston was him in the audience while all
Speaker 1: of his UH teammates were singing because no one was
Speaker 1: having more fun and going more wild than Jamis Winston.
Speaker 1: He just seems like a guy that's like a great teammate,
Speaker 1: that his teammates love, that there's no airs about him,
Speaker 1: that he's kind of tight with everyone on the team.
Speaker 1: What about the daily turned down service he passed up
Speaker 1: at the Marriott so he could collect more points hotel points.
Speaker 1: I mean's just kind of dude. My wife was weighing
Speaker 1: on that. She I was writing the recap and I
Speaker 1: got this text how she was just all fired up
Speaker 1: about that. Then she said, uh, full disclosure. She said
Speaker 1: that he was her favorite player and that you did
Speaker 1: a cursory Google search, And then I thought a little
Speaker 1: differently about the situation, but um, yeah, go ahead, Mark.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it felt like, and I appreciate
Speaker 1: what you said about them holding back on someone some
Speaker 1: of the other star characters and central figures, because I
Speaker 1: didn't learn much about anyone other than Jamis Winston. To me,
Speaker 1: it felt like an excellent documentary on Jamis Winston interrupted
Speaker 1: by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because I wanted to know
Speaker 1: more about his life and everything, and when he went
Speaker 1: home and he visited with family and stuff. That to
Speaker 1: me was very rewarding documentary footage. I'm waiting to learn
Speaker 1: more about the rest of this team. I did come
Speaker 1: away with a good impression of Dirk Hutter. I think
Speaker 1: that he's not flashy, but he was. He had maintained
Speaker 1: good control over the team, and he seems to be
Speaker 1: the right coach for them right now. But I need
Speaker 1: to see more in the next episode. I thought from
Speaker 1: a pure football perspective, they did a great job of
Speaker 1: outlining the macro viewpoint of Jamis Winston, which is, when
Speaker 1: you're an athlete, throughout all the stats, here's what matters,
Speaker 1: the feeling in your teammates and your coach's head, in
Speaker 1: their mind, when you're up to bat, when you're on
Speaker 1: the pitcher's mound, when you're throwing the ball as a quarterback,
Speaker 1: when you're catching the ball as a wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: you can tell the Bucks know that Jamis Winston is
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. Every that Gerald McCoy's segment where he's like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter about anyone else, All that matters is
Speaker 1: number three. That's the macro view point, the micro view
Speaker 1: point two thousand seventeen Dirk Cutter driving home the point
Speaker 1: everybody knows you're a potential franchise quarterback. Everybody loves your potential,
Speaker 1: but right now you're a turnover prone quarterback who's inconsistent.
Speaker 1: And if we're gonna our roster strong enough right now,
Speaker 1: we can get to the playoffs. But you gotta get
Speaker 1: reeled in a little bit. And if the best moments
Speaker 1: was when Cutter and went at Winston at the end
Speaker 1: of the episode after a terrible practice and he and
Speaker 1: he went atam and you in in the everyone's gathering around,
Speaker 1: and Winston had the thousand yards stare on his face.
Speaker 1: He had no answers for like, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: He basically had no answers, And then you remembered, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a twenty three year old third year quarterback who
Speaker 1: is prone to mistakes. That that they're Cutter interview that
Speaker 1: we listened to the what The one other thing that
Speaker 1: I took from it is this Bucks team knows that
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be good, and I always think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's dangerous, like him saying him saying that
Speaker 1: line to Jameis Winston, this is you have a good defense.
Speaker 1: This is by far the best team you've had. Like,
Speaker 1: I immediately, as a Patriots fan, think Bill Beltchick never
Speaker 1: would say that. He would never think that because they
Speaker 1: don't have a team yet, they don't have a defense yet,
Speaker 1: they don't know what they are and I always, I
Speaker 1: always think, and they have all this attention on that,
Speaker 1: and it's tough to go. It's a lot easier to
Speaker 1: go from whatever they were in two thousand fifteen to
Speaker 1: nine and seven than it is to take that next step.
Speaker 1: And part of it is the expectations. And I think
Speaker 1: even as a coach, him thinking that way it was
Speaker 1: telling to me. I mean, they certainly appear to be
Speaker 1: buying into their own hype, but that that can work
Speaker 1: both ways. We saw six years ago on the show
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan telling these guys that were going to win
Speaker 1: a super Bowl and they almost got there. You could
Speaker 1: win with that type of a dude. It's definitely a
Speaker 1: different one than Bill Belichick would have. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. I think if you haven't won in
Speaker 1: ten years, you have to approach it a little bit
Speaker 1: differently than Bill Belichick, where the ex spectation is every
Speaker 1: year you're gonna be a Super Bowl contender. I guess
Speaker 1: I just mean they they it's I think it's a
Speaker 1: smart thing to feel like you're starting from scratch because
Speaker 1: they don't know what what they have. Another thing, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of personalities, was the awe that the teammates
Speaker 1: had in DeShawn Jackson. I thought was telling like it's
Speaker 1: pretty rare in the NFL that other players are just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But there were just some comments like
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick and Chris Baker just being like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe like watching this guy, he's just different than on
Speaker 1: any other NFL player, And I was thinking how unique
Speaker 1: he is is that he is known as the fastest
Speaker 1: guy in the field. He looks like a jitterbug, and
Speaker 1: he's thirty one years old. He's not supposed to like
Speaker 1: at this age, these type of guys, these small frame
Speaker 1: guys are not supposed to be still moving like their
Speaker 1: twenty four. He's kind of an interesting guy. And then
Speaker 1: they did they did dug in a little bit on
Speaker 1: Mike Evans as well, and and it really it really
Speaker 1: reinforced to me how great a signing that was, how
Speaker 1: well those guys complement each other, and just how much
Speaker 1: potential is there. Does that do those two feel a
Speaker 1: little bit like we're really trying to be best friends.
Speaker 1: It's not really working organically, but we're gonna keep trying
Speaker 1: really hard. I I guess one thing is when I'm
Speaker 1: not a rose colored glasses person when it comes to
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, like I, I have seen some episodes that
Speaker 1: are that that I learned so much about people on
Speaker 1: the team and so much about the way the team
Speaker 1: functions that I love, Like I loved watching Jeremy McNichols
Speaker 1: utterly lost in the game plan at practice not knowing where.
Speaker 1: That to me was informative, like that's what it's like
Speaker 1: to be a rookie running back. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff going on though in some of these Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks episodes that feel a little paint by numbers. If
Speaker 1: they're not taking you deeper than you expected to go,
Speaker 1: if they go through the motions, it can turn into
Speaker 1: that kind of a show like Riley Bullock I believe
Speaker 1: is your Bullock was his name, the third string middle lineback.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really interesting point that Cutter
Speaker 1: made it a team meeting, that you don't need to
Speaker 1: be a star to be a leader. That hey, here's
Speaker 1: this undrafted rookie middle linebacker and you kind of saw
Speaker 1: it through the through the show kind of being a leader.
Speaker 1: I was following, you know, like that that's one thing
Speaker 1: I like about Hard Knocks. That not to mention he
Speaker 1: had a set of pipes, but I mean, I love
Speaker 1: of that singing. That's the whole thing and saying it's
Speaker 1: always fun. There are there are there are familiar beats
Speaker 1: at this point, but like I love it. I love
Speaker 1: it as much as I love opening day of the season.
Speaker 1: Everything is kind of familiar, but it's I love every time.
Speaker 1: There's been five hundred singing competitions on this series, but
Speaker 1: it's always fun to see how the guys react, like
Speaker 1: this year, um, because I remember growing up watching it
Speaker 1: after SNL as a kid, amateur night at the Apollo.
Speaker 1: There was the guy, the executioner who would come out,
Speaker 1: Yeah we get booed off the stage. Doug Martin comes
Speaker 1: out and he does a perfect rendition or impression of
Speaker 1: the executioner, even with like the Michael Jackson moonwalk and
Speaker 1: the point back to his seat. I mean that that
Speaker 1: to me is so fun. Even if it's familiar, it's
Speaker 1: still a lot of fun. And it's just the show
Speaker 1: has done so well. I mean the the way that
Speaker 1: the episode ended, Uh, they perfectly. They pivoted out of
Speaker 1: that terrible practice into uh the pre dawn wake up
Speaker 1: time with the motivational speaker that James Winston wakes up
Speaker 1: to every day, which was kind of interesting, and and
Speaker 1: him going back to work, and it's just these guys
Speaker 1: that do the show. Um, they're the best in the
Speaker 1: business at it. It actually ended even after that with
Speaker 1: a lot of Game of Thrones talk, and it really
Speaker 1: drove home the point two thousand seventeen, in America, pop
Speaker 1: culture is dominated by the television show. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: it passed the wife test, so like Your Your Wife
Speaker 1: was very Emmica always watches the first episode with me
Speaker 1: or so and then often just tales off, but that
Speaker 1: one she actually stayed watched through the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: she was in because I think probably because of just
Speaker 1: the personalities, because Jamis was and she's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm gonna watch her. This is your wife
Speaker 1: from Japan? Why Greg is very big in Japan. And
Speaker 1: then in the preview for episode two, it's almost catered
Speaker 1: for the round the NFL podcast. Uh, not only did
Speaker 1: they tease digging into the kicker battle between Aguayo and
Speaker 1: and Folk. Let's go home and visit the Grimes family.
Speaker 1: Miko Grimes gets onto the boom mic and starts talking
Speaker 1: about her life as the wife of Brent Crimes and Greg,
Speaker 1: I know you're a little bit interesting to be interesting
Speaker 1: to see whether you come up. You think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come up. They're just gonna be talking about me. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, they're also so many, so many I
Speaker 1: don't want to say force, but so many cutaways to
Speaker 1: NFL network footage that there's a chance we could potentially
Speaker 1: see Greg at some point on the show. You know,
Speaker 1: Greg was thinking that when well, suddenly everyone who watched
Speaker 1: that show is like, I must come up with bucks
Speaker 1: topics immediately to get on this show somehow. Well, one
Speaker 1: of the things we've learned from Hard Knocks over the
Speaker 1: years is is how much the coaching staff does pay
Speaker 1: attention to. They read Rhoda World, they read NFL dot Com.
Speaker 1: They sat there and watched Jamis Winston's appearance on Good
Speaker 1: Morning Football. All the coaches sitting in dirt cutters off it.
Speaker 1: So if you want to watch the episode again, NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com slash Hard Knocks it will be on the
Speaker 1: website through Tuesday. After that, you've either got to uh
Speaker 1: subscribe to HBO or jack somebody's HBO go password. It's
Speaker 1: one of those situations you gotta figure it out. What
Speaker 1: do you want from me? Well, HBO now doesn't telecast
Speaker 1: until the next morning, so it's it's it's this beautiful
Speaker 1: August ritual where before coming to work, I wake up
Speaker 1: before in the morning to watch this, which may be
Speaker 1: coloring my opinion of the show in the morning. Well
Speaker 1: it's that or shove to work. It's HBO a day
Speaker 1: after everyone else. I mean, you're just you're just putting
Speaker 1: on the hard hat, like like yeah, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's a tough task and I'm just saying there are
Speaker 1: things like you know, I'm just saying it may color
Speaker 1: my opinion of the show. Someone alright, Mark, Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I it is the greatest show ever created on cable television.
Speaker 1: Um all right, there you go. Uh So we will
Speaker 1: be back on Friday. Uh within, I have a huge
Speaker 1: announcement for the listeners on Friday. I'm just gonna tease it,
Speaker 1: total tease, double t any hints. It is something the
Speaker 1: audience has been waiting for patiently. It's borderline rude that
Speaker 1: it's been. It's taken this long. You're coming back? Is
Speaker 1: the shield Stotball manager that I am very it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the body I think I'm coming. ESPN has the
Speaker 1: body issue and that explains why it's not on the video.
Speaker 1: It's not the video episode triple Scoop, triple source. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's more like a you know, big horns, oh bugles,
Speaker 1: bugles at the top of the castle, and all the
Speaker 1: villagers down below. Here you here, you type, got you,
Speaker 1: So make sure you stay tuned for that Friday. Clarion
Speaker 1: call a clarion call bra All right, that's it, we'll
Speaker 1: be back Friday. So thank you everyone for listening. This
Speaker 1: dan As is signing off for a quiet storm. The Mailman,
Speaker 1: the Boss, and the te Will Sully hiding everybody else
Speaker 1: till Friday. M hm.