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Speaker 1: She's she's a good friend of mine, but she also
Speaker 1: I get a lot of massages. I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of massages because my my, I'm always sore. I'm always
Speaker 1: fucking cracking my and twisting and fucking whatever. Always constantly sore.
Speaker 1: So I'm always getting massages, and uh, I usually go
Speaker 1: I always go to my friend Michelle Synecorea. She is
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, but she's also the It's
Speaker 1: the best massage I've ever had. I've never had anybody
Speaker 1: there talented, like yeah, like just find nuts that I
Speaker 1: don't even know I had, and I just feel like
Speaker 1: a new human. Vita by Michelle. You guys that are
Speaker 1: all look her up. Michelle with one L. Anyway, she's
Speaker 1: in Italy for two weeks with a field, so she's
Speaker 1: all busy being Italian and fancy and she can't, you know,
Speaker 1: rub her limbs into my body. So it really sucks,
Speaker 1: but I hope she's having fun. I got a massage
Speaker 1: at another place. I just called a place up and
Speaker 1: they had They were like, oh, we only have a guy.
Speaker 1: I remember how he used to be like no, but
Speaker 1: now I'm like, yes, sure, um, but now I'm truly
Speaker 1: truly comfortable with it. Um. And I'm in the waiting
Speaker 1: room area a little when there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: there and uh, and this little Asian guy who looks
Speaker 1: I mean he he looks thirteen or fourteen, but he
Speaker 1: you know, I know he's not, but he looks young.
Speaker 1: He's super short, and he has like thick black glasses on,
Speaker 1: like a nerdy, cute little like he seemed like cool,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a young kid, you know. And
Speaker 1: he was very polite. He's like, hey, Christine, okay. You know.
Speaker 1: He takes me back and it's like okay, any amies.
Speaker 1: When we focus on it was the most erotic experience
Speaker 1: of my fucking life. I there was one point where
Speaker 1: when he told me to turn over, I was just
Speaker 1: like I was, I just like I was like I
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe it. I was
Speaker 1: hoping that I he was going to touch my vagina
Speaker 1: the whole time. He didn't. He didn't, but he touched
Speaker 1: my inner thighs. That's totally normal about But I've never
Speaker 1: had anybody touch them. I've had guys massage me so
Speaker 1: many times, no one. I have never been attracted to
Speaker 1: a person just solely based on the way they touch.
Speaker 1: But god damn it, if I'm not in love. This
Speaker 1: guy touched me and what I was soaking wet afterwards.
Speaker 1: I could not even believe I was even capable of
Speaker 1: being this, going from zero, truly zero to wow, do
Speaker 1: you touch my posting? No? You ever watch massage? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do? I do too, I always do, but that
Speaker 1: never it doesn't matter because I'm so goddamn sore. See,
Speaker 1: I thought this was going to go a completely different direction.
Speaker 1: But I know I know who you're talking about first. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a friend of mine. He's God. That
Speaker 1: makes me Now every time I see an Asian guy
Speaker 1: on the street, I get turned on, like that's the
Speaker 1: Pavlonian response. He is, he is very cute, and he
Speaker 1: does I know he has a way about him like
Speaker 1: a lot of I know a lot of people have
Speaker 1: crushes on him. He didn't have a way that's a
Speaker 1: thing that he does. He only had a way about
Speaker 1: him with his touch to me, because I didn't really
Speaker 1: get talking about yeah you kind of. I was like
Speaker 1: praying that my nipple would like pop out of the
Speaker 1: towel when he like, I turned over and then he
Speaker 1: would touch me, and he touched my stomach. I've never
Speaker 1: had a missus. It's not common. I've had a couple
Speaker 1: of massage therapists do it, but my heart was it
Speaker 1: was like the fucking goddamn scene in the Mine Book
Speaker 1: where no one ally do it on the fucking Bandon house.
Speaker 1: And really, yeah, I just never got around with um.
Speaker 1: But oh I'm turned on even thinking about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: god damn, I have never had anybody tim. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't don't even really give many adjectives that are
Speaker 1: helpful in describing the way he touched me. But it
Speaker 1: was just very slow and sometimes you just have a
Speaker 1: good touch, and my experienced people who are not have
Speaker 1: a better touch, Like I I really like black women.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite. I feel like they have the best
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had to have assus. Yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: touch in my opinion, Yeah, it's just very um just
Speaker 1: you could tell what someone care. It's weird, but you
Speaker 1: could tell if someone cares about you by the way
Speaker 1: to touch you, even if it's a masseuse, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I can tell when they're not into it
Speaker 1: and when they are, like when they're focused or when
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, she adn't gonna pay my bill, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I can kind of tell based off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My favorite all time though, was a was an Asian
Speaker 1: woman at that same place where that Asian guy was.
Speaker 1: She moved back to Japan. That sucks. I keep thinking
Speaker 1: about this massage. But then I'm like, I hope he's
Speaker 1: getting something sexual. I hope he's enjoying this as much
Speaker 1: as I am. He he truly loves the art of massage.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets like I mean, I wouldn't even mind.
Speaker 1: I was like, does he have a bone right now?
Speaker 1: How does he? How could he not have a bone?
Speaker 1: Or the way he's touching me. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: hope not that would be super ump. He didn't, but
Speaker 1: I was a little and I was like, found me,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought you were gonna tell me. And
Speaker 1: I was like, and I was gonna be really upset. No,
Speaker 1: I I honestly was upset he didn't have a bwner.
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought we were on the same page.
Speaker 1: I was so turned on by this I can't even
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to do. I can't even
Speaker 1: talk about it. It's so so what the question is,
Speaker 1: are you going to go and and and request this
Speaker 1: person again next time you go? Or do you feel
Speaker 1: weird about it? I mean I want to request him
Speaker 1: again all the time. Now I want to do two?
Speaker 1: Can you do with three hour massage? Or do with three?
Speaker 1: As you can do two? That's the longest we'll sign
Speaker 1: me the funk up? But I I wow, I didn't
Speaker 1: know I can be moved like that through touch and
Speaker 1: by this guy. I was so cute, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I would be friends with him in real life,
Speaker 1: but I would never He's just not a person like
Speaker 1: he's shorter, and he's I wouldn't be attracted normally because
Speaker 1: he's just this like sweet little brother kind of him
Speaker 1: as a twelve year He doesn't look twelve you to me?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I don't know how what age anybody
Speaker 1: is anymore, but honest, I was so. I was so
Speaker 1: fucked up. My world was so fucked up after that.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any sense of like right and wrong
Speaker 1: on how old people are, what dog breeds are. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know. I was so how how much to
Speaker 1: tip him? So much money? I give him so much money?
Speaker 1: And I know you like the tip, hie, when you're
Speaker 1: feeling feeling I didn't see you stuck d Have you
Speaker 1: ever been to a shop colone you've seen a man
Speaker 1: fall in love with a stripper and you see the
Speaker 1: stripper work it and you're like, oh man, that I
Speaker 1: mean from kil Tony who has the lap dance for
Speaker 1: the first Yeah, but like it was I now understand that.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you my boyfriend? Like I thought
Speaker 1: we were gonna get married? Yeah, But that's why during
Speaker 1: so I mean, like so when I was working at
Speaker 1: at a at a at a spot I worked at
Speaker 1: for many years, like people would commonly come in during
Speaker 1: a divorce and like have full on miltdowns because they
Speaker 1: hadn't been touched in so long, Like, even when I
Speaker 1: was really sad during my frame break up, I would
Speaker 1: go and get massages just because, like to have someone
Speaker 1: touch you who was not like who you didn't owe
Speaker 1: anything to, or who couldn't hurt you emotionally but could
Speaker 1: touch you physically. I mean, and that and so and
Speaker 1: I think anyone who's been through that experience should be
Speaker 1: able to understand prostitution and why someone would go through that,
Speaker 1: because you do need that. And sometimes it's really just
Speaker 1: easier to emotionally separate yourself and pay for it. But
Speaker 1: some people are not. Even some people, even with strippers
Speaker 1: and and and various sex workers, aren't unable to separate, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why you fall in love with the stripper.
Speaker 1: I've never wanted to think someone to think of me
Speaker 1: so badly. I was just like, so, what would you
Speaker 1: do if he did sit back and enjoy man? Would
Speaker 1: you tell Stephen? Oh? Yeah, I would. I mean, when
Speaker 1: I came home, I was like Stephen the post erotic experience.
Speaker 1: He was like want and I told him, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm sorry, but god, damn well, you can't
Speaker 1: control it. It's like a massage you didn't do anything crazy. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you weren't horny at all before you walked,
Speaker 1: not at all. We were gonna get six Flags the
Speaker 1: next or Dorney Park and we're gonna but I was
Speaker 1: stressed out because my mom is going through all this
Speaker 1: health ship and and and um, yeah, I was so
Speaker 1: not in that mind space. I've never been, so my
Speaker 1: world has never been. It was like someone took off
Speaker 1: these foggy glasses and I was like horny again. I
Speaker 1: was so much fun that I just can't believe how
Speaker 1: well worth it. And also I'm so glad that story
Speaker 1: took the direction that it that took, because I thought
Speaker 1: I thought I was molested and I was like, I
Speaker 1: really did not want to hear it. I wanted to,
Speaker 1: But it's not molesting. It's not molesting if I mean
Speaker 1: what he if he would have touched me, it would
Speaker 1: have been very inappropriate if he had touched you, unless
Speaker 1: you had initiated it. And that's that's sexual harassment. I
Speaker 1: can it is sexual arrassment. And even still it would
Speaker 1: have been inappropriate just not to you. Yeah, you ever
Speaker 1: won to touch somebody and you're like, this is a gamble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I think every day um, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to and I did. I did. I
Speaker 1: knew even how horny I was, and how just wrapped
Speaker 1: up in the New Universe I was exposed to. I
Speaker 1: still knew enough to not do that. But he was like,
Speaker 1: how was it? And I was like it was so good,
Speaker 1: It was so good, and you oh god, anyway, well
Speaker 1: how are you in a different direction? The trainer just
Speaker 1: asked me out and I was like, come, no, does
Speaker 1: he not listen to the podcast? No, he didn't even
Speaker 1: know the name of it. I don't. That's because you
Speaker 1: don't talk. He's been tell you it's been. He's been
Speaker 1: flirty since day one. The last thing I need to
Speaker 1: do is tell him about this podcast. I'll take it
Speaker 1: over the edge. Yeah, but okay. He's very nice and like,
Speaker 1: but it's a real like. It's it makes me feel
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways because it's like, we can't
Speaker 1: tell men that they're not allowed to like hit on people.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to try, of course, so
Speaker 1: but it's like now if once, once you try once
Speaker 1: and the person says no, then you need to stop.
Speaker 1: Because I was thinking about that, I was like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't work on some people. To some people, the persistence
Speaker 1: is like, oh wow, he just persisted, and I well,
Speaker 1: because of the relationship we have though it's trainer and
Speaker 1: client and we have that's inappropriate. And the following meet
Speaker 1: before we had been like, you know, because I knew
Speaker 1: where he was going with this, but I was just
Speaker 1: hoping he wouldn't because it makes me feel uncomfortable because
Speaker 1: I really I don't even people hitting on me in
Speaker 1: spaces where it's fine to hit on people. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's also like, he's really tough trainer, and I finally
Speaker 1: have adjusted to his fucking killing me ways. So it's
Speaker 1: like I want to keep training with him because because
Speaker 1: it works and it's good. Well, and because I fucking
Speaker 1: went through hell to even be able to get through
Speaker 1: one of the session, Like I mean truly, I was
Speaker 1: every week I wanted to cry. It was the toughest
Speaker 1: training I've ever been through my entire life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I was just like God, damn it. Oh
Speaker 1: that sucks. See that's why I got it. I when
Speaker 1: I signed up at the gym, I was like, give
Speaker 1: me a gay guy or a girl. And the guy
Speaker 1: was like, well, I can't give you somebody because their
Speaker 1: sectory and team. I'm like, alright, alright, you know what
Speaker 1: i mean, I just don't want a straight guy because
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be attracted to him, or if he's
Speaker 1: gonna be I just don't want even the possibility. I
Speaker 1: just I'm just here to get fit. I would never
Speaker 1: be I'm never worried about falling for a trainer because
Speaker 1: I could never date someone who worked out professionally because
Speaker 1: they would be on my ass all the time about
Speaker 1: like any time I try to eat a candy bar thing.
Speaker 1: I don't need that ship in my life. I just
Speaker 1: don't want that. Yeah, I just don't want the distraction
Speaker 1: of being attracted. Yeah no, I mean all my basically,
Speaker 1: like all my trainers are hot, but like I'm not.
Speaker 1: They can be hot, but I'm not attracted to them,
Speaker 1: right right, right, right right, So I'm not fine. Did
Speaker 1: he ask you out? Well, I mean basically went. He
Speaker 1: didn't officially do it because but he like he went
Speaker 1: to the steps because he was like, you said you
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend right now. I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like we know all know this is where going. It
Speaker 1: was inching towards that every week, every week. Oh that's
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable when you're like you want to I know
Speaker 1: what you want to ask me, and I don't want
Speaker 1: you to. And I mean I basically told him last
Speaker 1: week I go, you know, I was. I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, I was like, no matter what,
Speaker 1: you have to like, you gotta keep a propritary. I
Speaker 1: was like, you can't. You shouldn't be like dating clients. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's like, in my ten years, I've only done
Speaker 1: it one time. He's like, I've only um. He's like,
Speaker 1: I I dated seriously one girl. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's okay. You have to get you know,
Speaker 1: you have to meet people somewhere. I understand that. I
Speaker 1: like to say they spend a lot of time with
Speaker 1: your training Italian I are like good friends now because
Speaker 1: we spent so much time together. I get it. We
Speaker 1: all do. And then and then the and then he's like,
Speaker 1: and then I hooked up with one and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's but in ten years two people, it's not.
Speaker 1: He's a good really good looking of charismatic person. But
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just weird. I mean it's I
Speaker 1: don't feel uncomfortable honestly because of his personality, Like I don't,
Speaker 1: I'll just be like shut up. But you know I
Speaker 1: just did he touch your butt when you work out,
Speaker 1: not in like a weird not in a trainer with Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Tommy used to be a trainer. So he
Speaker 1: explained to me. He's like, basically, people should always be
Speaker 1: keeping their hand flat, so if they can touch your butt,
Speaker 1: but it should be with a flat hand, not with
Speaker 1: a cup Tand he's like, grab, well, I mean you know,
Speaker 1: because there's a it is not a grab, but like
Speaker 1: there could be a light cupping, but it should basically
Speaker 1: be you should be touching because they have to touch
Speaker 1: your body a lot when they train you, but it
Speaker 1: should always be with a flathand and I was like whatever,
Speaker 1: it's just like just like fucking leave me alone. The
Speaker 1: one place I don't want to get hit on, I
Speaker 1: mean is everywhere, but also the gym. I really hate
Speaker 1: getting hit on. I just don't just leave me alone.
Speaker 1: I have never witnessed you getting hit on, I don't think,
Speaker 1: but I'm so pissed that I haven't. It's just I
Speaker 1: feel like it would be well, can I usually do
Speaker 1: anything in my I do everything in my power to
Speaker 1: give off signals like do not fucking talk to me?
Speaker 1: I have have you ever? I've done this before, Like
Speaker 1: if I'm at a bar and some guys like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're whatever, I'm like, all right, let's just fast forward.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Have a boyfriend. But even if
Speaker 1: I didn't have a boyfriend, I'm not interested. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be hit them right now? Can we stop?
Speaker 1: And they get so pissed. Oh yeah, that's rude. I
Speaker 1: usually tell tell people there's like a time limit. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's ten am. I don't actually accept people hitting on
Speaker 1: me until love and thirty, so that's when I use
Speaker 1: a lot. I just give him old time. Yeah that's good.
Speaker 1: Let's read some emails. Um, this email real quick. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read some people are just ugly and that's oh
Speaker 1: fucking kay. Like that email me too. Um. I just
Speaker 1: finished the episode the Free Speech and you interviewed my idol, Nadine.
Speaker 1: She's one of the reasons I'm currently studying for the
Speaker 1: l set and planning on going to law school in Christina.
Speaker 1: You asked for a fat woman's opinion on the censorship
Speaker 1: to bacle and here I am. Sorry this is so long, girl,
Speaker 1: don't be sorry. I am medically morbidly obeyed according to
Speaker 1: my b M I. First of all, b M I
Speaker 1: is an inaccurate description of the ration of rations. I said,
Speaker 1: they're right, God, I can't renounce, you know, I don't see.
Speaker 1: I don't thinking about that, missus h ration of fact
Speaker 1: to muscle as it does not take into account the
Speaker 1: fatty tissue that everyone has. It should be ratio ratio
Speaker 1: that right, Yeah, ration is like I'm poor, give me
Speaker 1: bread whatever. Well, I mean, there's a couple ways to
Speaker 1: use that. But yeah, she means I believe she means ratio. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: it does b and mine does not take to account
Speaker 1: the fatty tissue that everyone has, especially women, that protects
Speaker 1: their internal organs. For example, women have one breast bigger
Speaker 1: than the other, typically the left one, because it is
Speaker 1: it is larger than the other in order to protect
Speaker 1: their heart. I thought that was really cute. I have
Speaker 1: polycystical variant syndrome and hypo hypothyroidism, which makes it really
Speaker 1: fucking hard to lose weight. I'm basically healthy with good cholesterol,
Speaker 1: blood pressure, insulin levels, etcetera. I work out three days
Speaker 1: a week, and I walked two miles to and from
Speaker 1: work five days a week. But I'm fat. I was
Speaker 1: a chubby kid, but really starting gating weight when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, and I'll tell you why. When I was fourteen,
Speaker 1: I was bullied from my weight, so I joined weight
Speaker 1: watchers and lost sixty pounds through diet and exercise. My
Speaker 1: mom was the proudest she had ever been of me
Speaker 1: and bought me a whole new wardrobe. The day after
Speaker 1: I reached my goal weight, I was raped by my
Speaker 1: sister's twenty five year old police officer friend, and he
Speaker 1: told me I was quote so pretty now emphasis on
Speaker 1: the now, that he couldn't resist himself. This was two
Speaker 1: days after my fifteenth birthday. My sister told me it
Speaker 1: was my i fault for being attractive, and her friends
Speaker 1: told me the same. What did being pretty yet me? So?
Speaker 1: After that I saw comfort and food and felt safest
Speaker 1: at a heavier weight. For me, being skinny cannot be
Speaker 1: my goal. I get terrified at the thought of it
Speaker 1: because it makes me feel weak and vulnerable to rape.
Speaker 1: I guess to me, the notion that fat people are
Speaker 1: harder to kidnap rings true. So now I am two
Speaker 1: d and thirty pounds and the happiest, least anxious, and
Speaker 1: feeling the safest I ever have. I work out to
Speaker 1: feel strong, but being skinny is genuinely not on the
Speaker 1: horizon for me. Right now. I'm healthy, I'm happy, and
Speaker 1: most of all, I can crush a rapist head with
Speaker 1: my thighs alone. But uh, it is so fucking ridiculous
Speaker 1: to me that you, Karim, We're told not to talk
Speaker 1: about your body or your weight. My weight, my body
Speaker 1: are the foundation of my life. The things I do
Speaker 1: or don't do revolve around how safe I feel in
Speaker 1: a way I and the way I look, And to
Speaker 1: be silenced about my body means to be silenced about
Speaker 1: my rape, my relationship with my sister, and my life.
Speaker 1: I have been really skinny at a hundred fifteen pounds,
Speaker 1: and I have been really fat at two pounds, And
Speaker 1: I am so sick of people saying, oh, Jets, you're
Speaker 1: not fat. Yes I am. It's not a secret. You
Speaker 1: are not saving me from some tortuous revelation that I
Speaker 1: don't look like Jessica Alba. Guess what, already figured that
Speaker 1: out for myself. Thanks As Christina said during the episode,
Speaker 1: fat people know they are fat I think you said
Speaker 1: that said that not every woman is beautiful. Every woman,
Speaker 1: regardless of her weight, height, hair, skin color, or sexual orientation,
Speaker 1: is valuable. Beauty is not the only worth that women
Speaker 1: have in society. Some people are just fucking ugly, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. Their contribution to society, whether they are good
Speaker 1: looking or not, does not depend on the way they
Speaker 1: look breaking news. Ugly people contribute to society just as
Speaker 1: much as pretty people. I would venture to say probably more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I would also like more, not aesthetically but no,
Speaker 1: but everything else which is important. It doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: you define beauty. It does not correlate worth with worth.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with value. Stop telling women
Speaker 1: they are beautiful when they know they are not. It
Speaker 1: is condescending, and women have so much more to offer
Speaker 1: to the world than their physical appearance appearance. To say
Speaker 1: that you can't comment how you feel about yourself because
Speaker 1: it might upset audience members or derail the brand is
Speaker 1: absolutely insane. Every woman has feelings about the way she looks,
Speaker 1: whether you talk about it in your set or not.
Speaker 1: To say you can't speak about it as belittling and
Speaker 1: an insult to every woman who has ever looked at
Speaker 1: herself in the mirror and thought, God, damn, I wish
Speaker 1: I was different. So I was really destroyed it. I'm
Speaker 1: currently at work and have a to minimize every time
Speaker 1: my boss walks by. A little background info. Twenty two
Speaker 1: born in England, spent thirteen years in the US. Just
Speaker 1: graduated from university. Uh, sorry for rambling, Thanks for reading
Speaker 1: your faithful fucker. Um Yeah, I just I like that
Speaker 1: email a lot and I wanted to read it. I
Speaker 1: like it too, But I I also want to point
Speaker 1: out that while this person is heavy because of obviously
Speaker 1: a really horrendous event in her life, it's it's and health,
Speaker 1: you can just also be heavy like it's that's also
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be Oh, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: don't have something bad. You don't have to use it
Speaker 1: as a shield, like if you're just fine being like heavy,
Speaker 1: like even honestly, even if you're on healthy like lots
Speaker 1: of people do on healthy things like do whatever the
Speaker 1: funk you want. Well, it just makes me sad because,
Speaker 1: as um I probably have talked about before, I do
Speaker 1: love the show my six hundred pound life, and like
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously to get to that kind of way.
Speaker 1: Usually these people have deep mental issues and they're none
Speaker 1: of them are healthy because you just can't. After a
Speaker 1: certain point, you just can't be healthy anymore. Um. But
Speaker 1: they're like every time there is something and they always
Speaker 1: have to get therapy to go along with their weight
Speaker 1: loss surgery because there is like a real reason usually um,
Speaker 1: usually a rape or a loss as very common for
Speaker 1: why they're eating. So you eat to fill the void,
Speaker 1: you eat to protect yourself. Um. But if you just
Speaker 1: like to eat to eat, like me, that's okay, that's
Speaker 1: also fine. Um. But yeah, Jesus, that was a very
Speaker 1: complex story. And yeah, I mean I think it's as
Speaker 1: I kind of mentioned, I think it's more demeaning to
Speaker 1: like pretend like a fat person isn't fat. Also too,
Speaker 1: when I think Astra Graham spoke out about this, but
Speaker 1: she was put on the cover. She's always put on
Speaker 1: so many covers of magazines of famous plus like Miles
Speaker 1: A Beautiful Girl, like Stunning Girl. Cron and I sat
Speaker 1: across from Row on the subway once and then I
Speaker 1: answered to the podcast and she said yes, But then
Speaker 1: the girl didn't email me back. Anyway. That's not the point.
Speaker 1: The point is I feel like she gets paraded around
Speaker 1: like thee she'th curvy and she's okay, shut the funk up,
Speaker 1: just let her exist. But it's also just so dumb
Speaker 1: because because she's also strikingly gorgeous and completely and completely proportional.
Speaker 1: So that's like not but too. I I just I
Speaker 1: hate the notion of like just it's okay to be
Speaker 1: curvy girl. Just shut up, just shut up, just be yourself,
Speaker 1: just love yourself whatever you are, and good day. Well
Speaker 1: I don't know so, I mean, I think the war
Speaker 1: is really on ugly women, not fat women. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't know it's on It's on every woman for
Speaker 1: everything we fucking do. I don't really feel it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so prostitution. That's this next email we're reading. Dear Corin
Speaker 1: and Christina, I really enjoy listening to your podcast. I
Speaker 1: feel that you are great advocates on a very important mission.
Speaker 1: The thing I love your podcast most for UH is
Speaker 1: that you have such a broad variety of people you interview.
Speaker 1: You make it obvious that we as a feminist where
Speaker 1: people with a political agenda cannot just talk to people
Speaker 1: who we always agree with, who always agree with us.
Speaker 1: It is easy for feminists to get caught in their
Speaker 1: own bubble where they can pretend the world is magical
Speaker 1: and everyone else is just wrong. But also that is
Speaker 1: what makes them lose any impact on the real world.
Speaker 1: That is why I love the variety of people you interview.
Speaker 1: This email is actually about something that I disagree with
Speaker 1: you on. I apologize in advanced for this is probably
Speaker 1: going to be a long email, although I'll try to
Speaker 1: make it short. You could cut a paragraph out right
Speaker 1: there with the apologies. UM. In your last episode you
Speaker 1: talked about sex work again. I am really sick of
Speaker 1: these so called feminist perspective on prostitution or sex work.
Speaker 1: I think it is absolutely irresponsible for displaying it the
Speaker 1: way you girls do. Women. Uh. When I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: I got into prostitution for the first time after a
Speaker 1: long history of rape and sexual assault that dated back
Speaker 1: to when I was nine years old. I had always
Speaker 1: been a feminist in fighting shaming, so I was introduced
Speaker 1: to the idea that becoming a prostitute is feminist very early.
Speaker 1: As you might know, people with rape trauma syndrome, especially
Speaker 1: when it started as early as nine, almost always developed
Speaker 1: some kind of extremely self destructive hyper sexuality side note,
Speaker 1: This is very true for men as well, and often
Speaker 1: overlooked in men who are quote addicted to sex, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But how males are never pictured as victims of assault
Speaker 1: and how self destructive hyper sexuality of men is rarely
Speaker 1: ever seen as a consequence of them having had sexual
Speaker 1: encounters with older people when they were young is another issue.
Speaker 1: But I also want to hint at the fact that
Speaker 1: a lot of objectification and this my girlfriend is sacred,
Speaker 1: but I don't like sex. I only want to fuck.
Speaker 1: Horrors concept often comes from that same place. When people
Speaker 1: have learned earned that sexuality is abuse and they are
Speaker 1: the ones abused, they tend to consider abusing others arousing
Speaker 1: for two reasons. Sorry, this is there's a lot of
Speaker 1: typos in here. First because that is the way they
Speaker 1: learned sex works. And second, because they can take back
Speaker 1: control over what happened to them in a fucked up way. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get this, but subconsciously knowing firsthand how terrible abuse feels,
Speaker 1: they can't do that to their beloved partner, but only
Speaker 1: to a person they despise and objectify. But I'm getting
Speaker 1: off topic. In an email that is way too long,
Speaker 1: either way. I feel that it is necessary to encourage
Speaker 1: people to not feel sexually ashamed, but we can't always
Speaker 1: encourage sexual behavior behavior regardless of the motives or age.
Speaker 1: I know that you always tend to be very careful
Speaker 1: giving advice to minors, which I appreciate. For me, that
Speaker 1: eventually led to prostitution. I talked to a lot of
Speaker 1: survivor friends who also have gone through similar self destructive
Speaker 1: sexual phases. To them as well as to me, the
Speaker 1: idea of prostitution made a lot of sense. In prostitution,
Speaker 1: we would be getting no sexual pleasure in our work,
Speaker 1: just as we were used to in our experiences of
Speaker 1: rape and our self destructive sex life, but at least
Speaker 1: we would be paid. I was surprised how we all
Speaker 1: developed this same logic individually, but it seems to be common.
Speaker 1: For me, this idea mixed with the big feeling of
Speaker 1: worthlessness and that I should hurt myself, as well as
Speaker 1: the fact that the feminist media I consumed, which told
Speaker 1: me the story of the happy hooker over and over again,
Speaker 1: getting into prostitution seemed like a good idea. Although I
Speaker 1: had a long history of sexual trauma and violence. Example,
Speaker 1: once my boyfriend tried to strangle me. The terrors of
Speaker 1: prostitution are the most horrific looking back. That is how
Speaker 1: bad it was. I don't really want to go into
Speaker 1: specifics of how terrible it was. Uh to twelve hour
Speaker 1: shifts of fucking, disgusting strangers and then barely being able
Speaker 1: to walk home. I tried to commit suicide a lot
Speaker 1: of times. My sex life will never be normal again,
Speaker 1: and I have a lot of flashbacks even when I'm
Speaker 1: with my partner at the time, I found my way
Speaker 1: to downplay how horrible it was, much like having Much
Speaker 1: like a person living in a war zone, does not
Speaker 1: collapse from the psychological terror of the constant threat of death.
Speaker 1: Often people can only begin to stop repressing and start
Speaker 1: to feel the terror when the situation of threat and
Speaker 1: violence is over. A German prostitute described how she told
Speaker 1: herself prostitution was okay in this article, which I oh,
Speaker 1: I would link it, but I literally think it's in German,
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure she translated it. Though I didn't
Speaker 1: see prostitution as negatively back then as I see it
Speaker 1: right now. But that also just is impossible someone who
Speaker 1: is in such a crappy situation and can't see a
Speaker 1: way out of it. Has to make it sound nice,
Speaker 1: otherwise that person can't bear the situation. So I drank,
Speaker 1: took drugs, and gossiped about John's and pimps. I believed
Speaker 1: to be a proud whore. I'm not the only one
Speaker 1: comparing the psychological situation of being a prostitute to the
Speaker 1: trauma of war. This study shows that two thirds of
Speaker 1: prostitutes asked for the survey UH showed signs of post
Speaker 1: traumatic stress disorder that are otherwise found in people in
Speaker 1: war zones. And then she does another link. As I
Speaker 1: was in prostitution, I got to know only very few
Speaker 1: other prostitutes who were also German like me. Almost all
Speaker 1: of the women I encountered were from Eastern Europe. Huh.
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe is so poor that a lot of families
Speaker 1: send one of their daughters to prostitution in Germany so
Speaker 1: they can send money home. All in all, most of
Speaker 1: the people I met were forced into the situation by
Speaker 1: financial reasons, which is oddly always seen as deliberate anyways.
Speaker 1: And then, of course there are people like me, people
Speaker 1: whose sexual past is so fucked up that abuse seems
Speaker 1: like the normal way to have sex to them. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this goes on and on. Uh. Actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me finish this because I think it has uh stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: I personally doubt the existence of the happy hooker. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's only one book called that or porn person, but
Speaker 1: that is only because I cannot imagine letting a stranger
Speaker 1: rape you for money. Uh cannot be traumatic to everyone.
Speaker 1: But I could be wrong, and these people might exist,
Speaker 1: and what they are publicly saying is not only something
Speaker 1: they tell themselves to survive, much like I did. But
Speaker 1: what I know for a fact is that they are
Speaker 1: not the majority of sex workers. Agree. The majority of
Speaker 1: sex workers are people who lack other options, or people
Speaker 1: to whom the fact that they don't have any sexual
Speaker 1: pleasure with partners is normal, or those who have had
Speaker 1: unbearable assault experiences, or above all, like me, I sincerely
Speaker 1: believe that we should not treat the probably existing one
Speaker 1: percent of happy hookers as the norm, because it is
Speaker 1: incredibly harming for the I personally would not ever have
Speaker 1: gotten into prostitution if it wasn't legal in Germany and
Speaker 1: if people hadn't told me over and over that it
Speaker 1: is a job like any other, although of course legally
Speaker 1: you have to be eighteen, which is still way too young.
Speaker 1: Germany has legalized prostitution since two thousand one, and since
Speaker 1: then giant brothels have made billions of euros, while the
Speaker 1: situation for prostitutes hardly improved. That's interesting. For example, the
Speaker 1: number of victims of sex trafficking have increased since the legislation,
Speaker 1: as a study of the European Parliament stated, which makes
Speaker 1: sense because now that prostitution is legal, the police don't
Speaker 1: look into it as much anymore, and then demand for
Speaker 1: prostitutes has also increased rapidly. Germany is now the brothel
Speaker 1: of Europe, with a lot of sex tourists. I am
Speaker 1: not necessarily in favor of outlying prostitution because it makes
Speaker 1: it more difficult for prostitutes to be safe. Example, when
Speaker 1: street prostitutes get into a car quicker without analyzing whether
Speaker 1: the client is trustworthy because I want to get out
Speaker 1: of the eye of the police. But this hypocritical nonsense
Speaker 1: of pretending that because prostitution is legal now it is
Speaker 1: all good. I just can't take it anymore. Whenever prostitution
Speaker 1: is debated in Germany, we tend to invite Hydro People,
Speaker 1: which is a lobby organization with a lot of older
Speaker 1: established prostitutes who are often times brothel keepers or U
Speaker 1: e g. D just lobbying brothel owners and treat their
Speaker 1: inpinions like they weren't profit profiting off of the exploitation
Speaker 1: of young women. I don't really know about the situation
Speaker 1: in the US though. What angers me the most are
Speaker 1: the men who visit prostitutes. No one can be sure
Speaker 1: of the fact that their prostitute is being there deliberately,
Speaker 1: so in my eyes, if you don't give a ship
Speaker 1: about whether the other person can actually consent to sex
Speaker 1: and have sex with them anyways, that is like Russian
Speaker 1: rape roulette. I see that is really and I under
Speaker 1: there's a language barrier here. Okay, I see that it
Speaker 1: is really attempting to claim that all prostitutes are able
Speaker 1: to choose their profession and tend not to be victims.
Speaker 1: It would be nice to live in a society where
Speaker 1: nobody had drug abuse problems, financial problems, or rape trauma
Speaker 1: that led them to get into prostitution, but that just
Speaker 1: isn't the world we are living in. Okay, that's it. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love this email again. This is there is some
Speaker 1: country differences here because this the state of prostitution in
Speaker 1: Germany does seem a lot different than the UH state
Speaker 1: a prostitution in the US. UM. But also I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't we don't. I don't really recall times maybe
Speaker 1: on really early episodes where we like glorified sex work,
Speaker 1: especially prostitution, stripping sometimes, cam girls sometimes, but prostitution. I mean,
Speaker 1: I actually wrote a big section of the book that
Speaker 1: I know you haven't read it because didn't come out yet.
Speaker 1: But our book, um, I did extensive research on sex work,
Speaker 1: and the statistics go along with what you're saying, where
Speaker 1: most people do have some kind of a mental disorder, unhappiness,
Speaker 1: and there is a prevalence of sex work for the
Speaker 1: wrong reasons in your Eastern Europe percent. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the thing that I always got tired of when we
Speaker 1: were talking about either prostitutions. All of the sex work
Speaker 1: stuff is men, certain guys being like dad Daddy is
Speaker 1: young d Daddy. It's just such a fucking hacky thing
Speaker 1: to say, and I hate it. But that's really the
Speaker 1: only defending that's not necessary. I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: means I just personally know so many people that are
Speaker 1: in the pie and the stripping and whatever, and they
Speaker 1: love their day. I just I hate that fun. And
Speaker 1: you can do what you with your body, I think
Speaker 1: is like the core of main racing here. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: if you're doing it because of mental reasons and you
Speaker 1: just you know, that's kind of on you to go
Speaker 1: seek therapy for that. It is. Yeah, so fortunately, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know not to be hardless. But all right,
Speaker 1: these this interview today, guys. Uh, it's it's great current.
Speaker 1: And I took our equipment down to the Beacon Theater
Speaker 1: and we went backstage where Blondie and Garbage were roaming,
Speaker 1: and we interviewed a California blues rockto their real names.
Speaker 1: They're on tour right now. They have an album called Femagism.
Speaker 1: It's the fucking best album. I've gotta let's do it
Speaker 1: on Spotify, on iTunes. It just came out with an
Speaker 1: acoustic album. Um you go check out their website and
Speaker 1: follow up for Their real names are Linday Troy and Julietwards.
Speaker 1: But you may know them as Deep Valley. No no,
Speaker 1: oh no, well there ain't no lot at the end
Speaker 1: of the ten never non't you know there ain't no
Speaker 1: goat and they end another right, no, no, oh no,
Speaker 1: there ain't no lot at the end of the tenne know,
Speaker 1: there ain't no boat. If you want to be creamy
Speaker 1: wants not going straight to the top. But what do
Speaker 1: you with? Julie and Movie Valley at the Beacon? I
Speaker 1: feel so cool? Are so cool? I was saying to
Speaker 1: her earlier, like rocker babes are my favorite babes because
Speaker 1: you're just like the just the ultimate babes. We comedy
Speaker 1: babes are our favorite babes. I was sul with seeing
Speaker 1: about like I feel like comedians want to be musicians,
Speaker 1: like specifically specifically like rock stars, and then there's a
Speaker 1: lot of musicians that are like I want to do comedy,
Speaker 1: Like I think John Byr is getting into comedy. We
Speaker 1: do do comedy. You do it pretty much is comedy, comedy,
Speaker 1: stud comedy. Good. So how did you guys meet? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll preface this by saying we've been asked
Speaker 1: this question like six thousand times. That's like us in
Speaker 1: the origin of the podcast, where like Herring, guy fucking dumped,
Speaker 1: let's go cool. I like that simplification. Yeah, we've really Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've managed to I can tell it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll just let's just reduce it like that. Nutshell, Julie
Speaker 1: owned a knitting store in Los Angeles and I went
Speaker 1: in there to take a crochet class and that's how
Speaker 1: we met. That's a cute story though. That's good, and
Speaker 1: that's a perfect summation. That's great. Um so, what what
Speaker 1: is a sexism in the music industry is probably another
Speaker 1: question you get. I'm just gonna get the generic ones
Speaker 1: out of the way. Um, do you face it? Do
Speaker 1: you feel it? Do you see it any more than
Speaker 1: in regular every day exactly? Yeah, because we get asked
Speaker 1: that it's like, well for us, I know female comedians
Speaker 1: that have had gotten the ship end of the stick
Speaker 1: because of their because their chick but press is not
Speaker 1: that bad. Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean it's there.
Speaker 1: I mean it's there. I mean it's everywhere, but like
Speaker 1: I've noticed it more like the farther along in our
Speaker 1: career we've gone, the more I notice it, which is
Speaker 1: what I've heard. I've I've read articles about this also
Speaker 1: and heard other women talking about this, and like their careers,
Speaker 1: it's like younger women don't notice it as much and
Speaker 1: that that like, the further along in their career they
Speaker 1: get where it's like everyone gets older and the men
Speaker 1: keep getting promoted and promoted and the women kind of
Speaker 1: still stay where they are. You notice it as you
Speaker 1: get older. So I've noticed it like further along throughout
Speaker 1: her career, where at the beginning I was actually surprised.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, yeah, it was amazing. But
Speaker 1: then you've kind of you see like your male peer
Speaker 1: is doing something similar to get more recognition or more
Speaker 1: money or something for what you're doing, which becomes frustrating.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if there is like a glass
Speaker 1: ceiling there. If there is, it's I think, well, I
Speaker 1: think particularly in our genre rock and roll, you know, um,
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot a lot of women. And
Speaker 1: actually in the genre of rock and roll, it's hard
Speaker 1: for almost any person of any gender to like hang
Speaker 1: on because we're not we're not enjoying like the biggest
Speaker 1: renaissance or highest listener ship at the moment. But um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think sexism takes so many different forms, right,
Speaker 1: There's like there's like assholes who are overtly sexist and
Speaker 1: they're just dick bags, right, and those exist, and then
Speaker 1: there's sexism that's like much more insidious and much more
Speaker 1: like enculturated. And you know that many women as well
Speaker 1: as men are are guilty of and probably even us
Speaker 1: to a certain extent or guilty of, like the way
Speaker 1: we perceived things and what we expect from who we're
Speaker 1: looking at, or you know, oh yeah, I feel at
Speaker 1: all the time, I was just saying, or I forget
Speaker 1: I was talking to but I was saying, how when
Speaker 1: Trump got voted in to be president? Uh he did? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, sometimes I forget and then cold and I
Speaker 1: just saw Milania on the street downstairs. But it's possible.
Speaker 1: Was she running? You should have sheltered her. She was
Speaker 1: taken from her husband, from every she was taking a
Speaker 1: selfie while she was walking on the street. But I
Speaker 1: think it was just like a look, hot lady, just
Speaker 1: a local babe. Well, one of the things I had
Speaker 1: said was because that fifty whatever percent of like white
Speaker 1: women in the United States and voted for him, And
Speaker 1: I'm like you, if you're a woman who voted for Trump,
Speaker 1: you must not respect yourself. You must And I went
Speaker 1: on this tirade and then and then I thought about
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, a lot of men are voting
Speaker 1: for them because they're wealthy and they just know what
Speaker 1: he's gonna give tax cuts to the rich. Who's that's
Speaker 1: shitty of me to say that. Like, women could be
Speaker 1: fucking rich too and want to keep their money and
Speaker 1: that's why they would vote for him. Yeah, maybe just
Speaker 1: women were hot on him. You know, maybe you have
Speaker 1: the sex appeal card. Yeah, you know, you say that
Speaker 1: as a joke, but I am certain the case. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they wanted to Well that's honestly though. I do
Speaker 1: think some people, like, we have a guy treats you
Speaker 1: like shit, well, you know, but he's powerful to write
Speaker 1: lifestyles are the rich and famous. I mean we're talking
Speaker 1: about the nineties here, right yeah, well like yeah, and
Speaker 1: we're talking about I've missed The Apprentice completely, I like
Speaker 1: didn't see it or something like I don't know where
Speaker 1: I've been. He's practically let's all just face facts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a total adonist. You know, he's just like cut,
Speaker 1: you know, his posture is hot, like the tone of
Speaker 1: his voice, timbre of his tall, dark enhancem his words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a seducer. He seduced America. Yeah, just like a
Speaker 1: hot saurus. Okay, but yeah, so that's like that's when
Speaker 1: I catch myself being like, oh, I guess that is
Speaker 1: shitty because maybe presented the women were rich, I wanted
Speaker 1: to keep their money, and that's why they voted for well,
Speaker 1: you know, and everyone has different reasons for voting for people.
Speaker 1: Other people in my family who voted for him. You know,
Speaker 1: it's complicated, it's you know, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. In the in the world of Jews, right,
Speaker 1: there's a thing called self hating Jews. Oh, the world
Speaker 1: of Jews. Yeah, we're all juice. Yeah, we're all Jews,
Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah. Oh he's not. Um, you're a
Speaker 1: man and you're not a Jew. Um. So you know,
Speaker 1: I assume I just as with the self hitting do
Speaker 1: there just there must be a self hating woman. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's got to be a thing. It is, and I
Speaker 1: think that like cognitive dissonance or whatever, that probably plays
Speaker 1: a big role for women who didn't want to like
Speaker 1: support Hillary. We're getting into a whole thing here, like
Speaker 1: like men who hate themselves act like assholes, but women
Speaker 1: who hate themselves fuck the assholes, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like that that's weird, how that it gives them two
Speaker 1: different reactions, like they do they go like two different
Speaker 1: paths and like, but don't do that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just raised a hitter. They go for the
Speaker 1: guy who reflects how they feel about themselves to them.
Speaker 1: How in terms of like self confidence, how you got
Speaker 1: you guys? Dig yourselves right? How you doing myself too?
Speaker 1: And we didn't like. One of the things we realize
Speaker 1: when we started the podcast is a lot of people
Speaker 1: men and women, mostly women, though they hate themselves. But
Speaker 1: were you always self confident or did it? Was it like,
Speaker 1: you know, a journey. I mean, there's parts of myself
Speaker 1: that I hate, you know, such a um like body,
Speaker 1: I sleep too much, you know, stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: don't you know often yeah, often, Instead of you have
Speaker 1: to do is wake up because you can reverse that
Speaker 1: cycle of self hate. I actually have a problem with
Speaker 1: waking up. So if you well know, it's like I
Speaker 1: could get up really early in the morning and go
Speaker 1: like work out or like sleep longer and dream about
Speaker 1: cool stuff like you know. Yeah, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I really don't hate anything about myself but
Speaker 1: my whole like thing since I don't know. Probably my
Speaker 1: mid twenties was to not so even if I start
Speaker 1: to or whatever, I really just have dismissed it right away.
Speaker 1: I just don't spend any time doing it. It's a
Speaker 1: waste of my time. Yeah, I mean I used to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, I used to want to be
Speaker 1: an actress and like I was too ugly and too
Speaker 1: fat and whatever, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: was like obsessed with that, and that was like, what
Speaker 1: a waste my energy? Right, Hate is a strong word.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's things about myself I could improve, example,
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, if your worst qualities, it's
Speaker 1: hard for you to get up in the morning, it's
Speaker 1: not bad. Thanks. And you guys hate anything about yourself hate, No,
Speaker 1: not hate you. I have critiques, But other than that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I'm like, damn whatever. I think. I
Speaker 1: really think I'm great, but not in a way of
Speaker 1: like I'm better than I think. I'm too accepting of myself, though.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to be a little bit hard
Speaker 1: on yourself, you know, to put yourself a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think everyone has to just accept
Speaker 1: I think everyone needs to really be in a state
Speaker 1: of accepting who they are. I think that's probably the
Speaker 1: best way forward. You know, like if you sleep a lot,
Speaker 1: or like your vibe is more chill than like, just
Speaker 1: be going with that, you know what I mean, There's
Speaker 1: no reason to like tear yourself up because you're not well. Actually,
Speaker 1: I mean I love I love sleeping, So I mean
Speaker 1: I was just using that as an example, right right, right, Hobby,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, totally, But how kind of I want
Speaker 1: to go back to what you said when you were
Speaker 1: trying to be an actress and people were saying, like,
Speaker 1: you're too fat and too ugly, hopefully not in those words.
Speaker 1: How did you Nobody was saying that to me. You
Speaker 1: were saying that I was walking into a room for
Speaker 1: being like, oh, and they're comparing yourselves to them, yourself
Speaker 1: to them? Yeah, I mean I think that's like nitpicking
Speaker 1: Women in the entertainment business based on aesthetic is super common.
Speaker 1: I mean we've definitely experienced it, um, So how do
Speaker 1: you deal with it? Like, I mean, especially with social media,
Speaker 1: do people still do that to you or do you
Speaker 1: ignore it? Or well? I mean, look, as musicians, there
Speaker 1: are so many ugly photos of us out there taking
Speaker 1: from the most horrible ankles. Oh yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: don't know, you just doesn't really matter. Just you're just
Speaker 1: like whatever, whatever. Who gives a ship? Yeah? Um? How
Speaker 1: is it being you guys are on the road a lot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How is that? Because Crit and I do the road,
Speaker 1: but we do weekends like four day Chunks, five day Johns,
Speaker 1: and we don't have equipment. We just go. We just
Speaker 1: And it's Steven always Stephen was in music for a
Speaker 1: really long time, and he he's like, you guys are
Speaker 1: so fucking spoiled. You just take a suitcase. But is
Speaker 1: it how how is that like you're away from your
Speaker 1: family and then you're together. I know a lot about
Speaker 1: male musicians on the road, just because he's friends with them.
Speaker 1: And it's like when you go on the bus, it's like,
Speaker 1: don't touch the chowels because everyone jerks off all the
Speaker 1: time and there's just jiz everywhere, and I'm like, that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: But I feel like tos are not grow like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's like you know, I mean, yeah, we usually
Speaker 1: we usually like we both have areas where we keep
Speaker 1: our jizz towels good so that no other people will
Speaker 1: come across them accidentally. You know, it's all about transparency
Speaker 1: with your jizz towels, Like, do you masturbate on the road,
Speaker 1: I'm saying we don't, really, Yeah, if we have our
Speaker 1: own rooms, but we don't always, so really really, no
Speaker 1: blue balls all the time. You can't masterba quietly, like
Speaker 1: because you what do you see? Do you have like
Speaker 1: a curtain that you can pull. No, we're not on
Speaker 1: a tour bus. We're in a minivan. I know, but
Speaker 1: I didn't off like you like hung a towel or
Speaker 1: something like, yeah, you put up Dave Matthews man poster.
Speaker 1: I think about it all the time though, I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: I wish I could masturbate right now, but I can't
Speaker 1: wait till the baby is asleep. Yeah, how is it
Speaker 1: bringing baby? Dude? That's the thing I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: Like we we have like instead of hanging jizzy towels,
Speaker 1: we have like I'll wash out my bloody period underwear
Speaker 1: and like hang them and Julie will wash out her
Speaker 1: kids like puky clothes and hang them on the shower
Speaker 1: were like poopy diapers. How how is is it fun
Speaker 1: to have your baby on the road with you? I
Speaker 1: feel like you'd get a lot of time to hang
Speaker 1: when you're drawing. Yah, it's really fun. It's really fun,
Speaker 1: but it's also like really exhausting. Well, who takes care
Speaker 1: of the baby when you're on stick? That's just having
Speaker 1: a baby. I think, Yeah, that's true, but I haven't.
Speaker 1: My friend Kelsey is out with us now and she's awesome.
Speaker 1: And when we go overseas, I just like arranged different
Speaker 1: people who can like take vacation time and want to
Speaker 1: be a rock and roll nanny for like a few weeks.
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome. And we've gotten really like we've had
Speaker 1: some really amazing nanny's. They've all been amazing, they've all
Speaker 1: been so great. Yeah, they're all basically friends that came
Speaker 1: along and oh, that's awesome to have your friends hang
Speaker 1: with you. And then yeah, it's great, kids in good
Speaker 1: hands and it's like, all right, I can rock out
Speaker 1: and not Yeah, like Mira and Kelsey went to Central
Speaker 1: Park yesterday. I think that we were recording in in
Speaker 1: a studio, but like, you know, having a blade. She
Speaker 1: had a great time. Ship. That's awesome. So so on
Speaker 1: the road, it's not you guys get like you don't
Speaker 1: get in each other's hair or anything, because I was
Speaker 1: looking at your touring schedule, like, damn you, when are
Speaker 1: you home next? We're kind of in a flow. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's times where everyone gets annoyed of
Speaker 1: each other, but we're pretty used to it, I think,
Speaker 1: and we have a good system. I mean we like
Speaker 1: the most important thing I think for touring is that
Speaker 1: like you like everyone you're touring with. And that is
Speaker 1: something that, um, we've worked on over the years getting
Speaker 1: a crew together of people. We've had tour managers who
Speaker 1: were like had really wrong personality disorders you know, um,
Speaker 1: like serious self hatred and like bipolar disorder, and that's
Speaker 1: that's rough when you're in a tiny anger management issues,
Speaker 1: you know. Weeding those people out has been like the
Speaker 1: best best thing we could ever do. That's like healthy
Speaker 1: for your soul because then you have an anxiety era. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when the tour manager gets to be the diva
Speaker 1: of the tour, you're like, that's not fair. You guys
Speaker 1: have to be anything. And then Lindsay and I are
Speaker 1: really diplomatic, like really diplomatic people, like again like we're
Speaker 1: not you know, yes, we get annoyed with each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, literally, any human beings in our scenario are
Speaker 1: going to get annoyed. There's going to be like there's
Speaker 1: like the hump days of the tour where everyone's grouchy,
Speaker 1: like you don't get enough slump. Yeah, like Wednesday whatever,
Speaker 1: it's like the Wednesday of the days. That's the try
Speaker 1: hump day. It's different than the hump day. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so but we've just we kind of just decided we
Speaker 1: actually went to um couples Therapy. We did what, oh
Speaker 1: my god, how did they handle a band in a
Speaker 1: performing That was her specialty. Actually she works with like
Speaker 1: creative teams. So if you guys recommendation for l A.
Speaker 1: It's really really crazy. It's really interesting because Steve and
Speaker 1: I are going to go soon to couple because he's
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. But I was actually looking at our relationship
Speaker 1: with because we've been working together for what seven seven years,
Speaker 1: and but are our relationship we work at like we
Speaker 1: work at respecting each other and not annoying each other
Speaker 1: with certain things, and we kind of work at boundaries.
Speaker 1: And I've never put that much work into an actual
Speaker 1: relationship before relationship. Yeah, I never got a paycheck for
Speaker 1: a relationship like we get for this. So true, that
Speaker 1: a lot more inspired, right, Yeah, that's true. And just
Speaker 1: being able to travel the world and do the things
Speaker 1: you want to do mode is a good motivator. So
Speaker 1: we're not in the right relationships. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you're not getting a paycheck in your love relationships, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing. Yeah, I'm just yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just friends paying you. My boyfriend's great, But I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was actually just like editing her book,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't think relationships are necessity
Speaker 1: for me. I think some people they are and some
Speaker 1: people are not. And for me, I just don't think
Speaker 1: I am. I like it. It's like a nice like
Speaker 1: compliment to my life. But if I didn't have one,
Speaker 1: I'd still be fine. I have like a Zeus Hera complex,
Speaker 1: so like I you know, I see myself as Harrah
Speaker 1: and my man is Zeus. So I have I have
Speaker 1: a need to be in a relationship that where we
Speaker 1: feel like we're like ruling the world together. See, I
Speaker 1: like that is if I am one, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for. Like I want to be like a power couple,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, if your David, Yeah, your
Speaker 1: husband ruling the world together? Are you? Do you feel
Speaker 1: that way? We're trying. Yeah, that's great, and we also
Speaker 1: we really work at it. By the way, his name
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump. He's a great What is your husband? Um?
Speaker 1: He Well, he's a musician names Phil Peroni. He's a musician.
Speaker 1: He's in a band called Juju, and he was in
Speaker 1: an email band when he was a teenager that I'm
Speaker 1: probably not supposed to mention the name of. But anyway.
Speaker 1: Then he's also a crazy workaholic with impossible dreams. So
Speaker 1: he and I started a music friends. Yeah, we started
Speaker 1: a music festival six years ago called Desert Days. So
Speaker 1: he's in the thick of Desert Days, which is happening
Speaker 1: in October twelfth. Joshua Tree. WHOA, that's so our power couple.
Speaker 1: And today really just announced Iggy Pop is headlining, by
Speaker 1: the way, But yeah, so so basically something that brought
Speaker 1: us together was like working on this first year of
Speaker 1: this thing and it was crazy and and somehow I'm
Speaker 1: like comfortable going through that level of stress with my partner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well because they can kind of like when I freak out,
Speaker 1: when I get really stressed, Stephen handles it like he's like,
Speaker 1: if you need me, I'll be over here. You don't,
Speaker 1: It's fine, Like and it's I'm like, wow, you are
Speaker 1: an angel. I don't. I would never put up with
Speaker 1: anybody what I do to him. If they did that
Speaker 1: to me, I'd be like, you like grow up. But
Speaker 1: Phil and I like we have full battles. I mean
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you know what throw lightning. But when you
Speaker 1: can have sex with that, when you have sex with
Speaker 1: that person, though, there's court and I have said to
Speaker 1: which or she said this to me? A lot I
Speaker 1: thought I have had sex. Haven't I was raped girl?
Speaker 1: I didn't rape you. Um, But like we have this
Speaker 1: relationship and it does feel like almost like a husband
Speaker 1: and wife, but we don't have it's not sexual at Also,
Speaker 1: it's not that element to kind of I don't know,
Speaker 1: though your sex is the banter true, and like it
Speaker 1: does feel like sex is like the playing music together
Speaker 1: that there is the like outlet where you kind of
Speaker 1: release yeah, where you do a thing together and rhythm together.
Speaker 1: And that's true. I will say, Okay, I have a
Speaker 1: little funny anecdote about Tusanhara. Was that first year of
Speaker 1: desert days where you were at the Hot Springs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we all had to share a room. Oh god,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be sharing a room with
Speaker 1: a couple who was like in warding with each other.
Speaker 1: And I've done tons of mushrooms at night because some
Speaker 1: guy had offered them to me and I did them,
Speaker 1: and and basically I was like curled up on the
Speaker 1: bed listening to Julie and Phil like fighting dresser. And
Speaker 1: it was because of that. I'll probably never do mushrooms again.
Speaker 1: That's the title of the episode, Wasn't the night I
Speaker 1: broke them? The pro the dresser so sty dresser by
Speaker 1: the way. So yeah, when people ask me why I
Speaker 1: don't do mushrooms that I have to tell them that story.
Speaker 1: So you guys like passionately fight. That's fun, well, because
Speaker 1: it's like it's you know that kind of that kind
Speaker 1: of like high pressure scenario. The first festival was it
Speaker 1: was a festival, right, yeah, it was ten days, but
Speaker 1: it was just like you get to a level of
Speaker 1: stress where I mean, it's like being in labor, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you're not just going to
Speaker 1: fill it through labor just being like hey, I'm fine, Hey,
Speaker 1: no worries, you know what? I mean sometimes you just
Speaker 1: reach a point where you're like, holy fucking shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, we reached that point. Now we have
Speaker 1: a child, so we're trying not to like be that
Speaker 1: way in front of her, just because we don't want
Speaker 1: her to pick up bad habits or become a weird
Speaker 1: non confrontational like you know, abuse totally not abuse victim,
Speaker 1: but like super non confrontational. Because my parents would scream
Speaker 1: at each other and so now like I know how
Speaker 1: much that can like scar a bit. So yeah, how
Speaker 1: did you how did you handle learning how to co
Speaker 1: parent with your husband? Well, he was better a bebber.
Speaker 1: He was a better baby daddy. So like I was
Speaker 1: like a little bit like w tf after I had
Speaker 1: a little thing. Yeah, I was like in recovery and
Speaker 1: super grouchy and depressed and and like emotionally just distraught,
Speaker 1: and he was really happy and excited. So I would
Speaker 1: watch I would watch him with her as a baby,
Speaker 1: and he would like sing to her, and I kind
Speaker 1: of copied what he did. I was like, that was
Speaker 1: like what I'll do, and I'll do that, and now
Speaker 1: now I totally get it. It's good, Like now you're
Speaker 1: the baby hog and I'm yeah, I'm the baby hog
Speaker 1: that's funning out on tour. So my brother's uh X
Speaker 1: had a similar reaction. Like when my nephew was first born,
Speaker 1: she was like cool, like she was very I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I think it's common, but people don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it because you know, mothers are supposed to
Speaker 1: be every be everything, do everything, and be perfect. So
Speaker 1: I think it's really nice to hear like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wasn't really feeling it after I gave birth and it
Speaker 1: was hard to adjust. It was just really hard. I
Speaker 1: think it was so hard. Some people have an easier
Speaker 1: baby time. Some people had a harder baby time. I
Speaker 1: had the whole thing where like breastfeeding wasn't working and
Speaker 1: like all this stuff right, so there was like so
Speaker 1: much hard stuff and I was paying and still I
Speaker 1: was physic. I could like not really sit down very
Speaker 1: well for a while. But anyway, that's not everyone really,
Speaker 1: not everyone why because the baby came. Honestly, I'm not
Speaker 1: I've not always been the most limber person, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't in the best shape. So I would say like this,
Speaker 1: the moral of that story is to be in really
Speaker 1: top peak shape, be stretching every day, you know. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't you think it was because you're like
Speaker 1: a little like control freak uptight, so you didn't want
Speaker 1: to like you didn't want to like lit her out. Well,
Speaker 1: you really tensing and molding her in. So you may
Speaker 1: or may not know this, but your body has many sphincters,
Speaker 1: and that's the title of this episode. So there's like
Speaker 1: a couple of sphincters, like in your intestines that like
Speaker 1: close and open and close and open. There's obviously your
Speaker 1: butt sphincter, the one we all know about and love,
Speaker 1: and then there's, um, there's your your cervix, which is
Speaker 1: essentially a sphincter as well. And yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like an uptight, rigid person, and my my cervix was
Speaker 1: also very uptight and rigid, and so my uterus was
Speaker 1: just like slamming Mira against my closed cervix for like
Speaker 1: a day and a half. Gosh ship. Yeah, before it
Speaker 1: started to be like all right, and that's why she
Speaker 1: only has one, I was like, oh, did you can
Speaker 1: have a glass eyes? Combat ass like a baby with
Speaker 1: a glass eye. That's impressive. So you gave birth vaginally then,
Speaker 1: but it just second, I wish we could get Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I can say something overly descriptive. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about labor because in
Speaker 1: the movies and TV they always show the pushing part,
Speaker 1: which is at the very end of the whole ordin right,
Speaker 1: So other than that, you're just like in labor and
Speaker 1: the process is happening, and the baby is slowly moving
Speaker 1: down and getting closer and closer to the pushing part.
Speaker 1: And the pushing part is where you're holding people's hands
Speaker 1: and screaming and all that. So anyway, the pushing part,
Speaker 1: the baby is like coming out of you. And as
Speaker 1: that was happening, the only thing in my brain I
Speaker 1: could compare it to metaphorically. And I've never actually done this,
Speaker 1: but some reason, this is what popped into my head.
Speaker 1: Was as if a bottle of pellogrino was stuck halfway
Speaker 1: out in my ass. Oh god, oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: like what I was thinking about. That's what it felt like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've taken some ships and I'm like, I could
Speaker 1: give birth. Like honestly, I used to have like digestive
Speaker 1: problems and I'm like, if that can come out of
Speaker 1: me and I'm not crying. I mean they's gonna be
Speaker 1: good to go. You got that huge I wish you
Speaker 1: could give birth. That's what it felt like. It was
Speaker 1: like if you were in between, if if you were
Speaker 1: like trying to deal in your But it's even though
Speaker 1: it's just feel it's just squished. Yeah, the whole area
Speaker 1: just is trying to it's just trying to pass something large,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's more similar to apparently having a
Speaker 1: cluster following stuck halfway up your assin could wrap itself
Speaker 1: around at the time. It's not horrible, it's more strange. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because but stuff is strange. If you've ever put anything
Speaker 1: in your butt, all our bottoms who are listening know
Speaker 1: this that it's you. Yeah, it just feel it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right. It feels like a reverse poop kind of.
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a type of purgatory. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. It is weird, for sure. Do you guys
Speaker 1: do an I have a couple of times and I'm
Speaker 1: like silence. It's like I I've talked to some girls
Speaker 1: who like love it. I have it's time. My favorite
Speaker 1: talk to a point Starsia and she's like you have
Speaker 1: to do it like twenty seven times, and then you'll
Speaker 1: love it. It's gonna hurt twenty seven times, but then
Speaker 1: after that you'll be fine. You'll love it. You want
Speaker 1: to do it, I'm like, but within the span of
Speaker 1: only like a month or something. Yeah, I'm like, that
Speaker 1: does sound good. I I think that you your man
Speaker 1: needs to know what it's about somehow he has to know,
Speaker 1: so like either so you know, it's it's much like labor, right,
Speaker 1: you need a coach or you need to be prepared
Speaker 1: to be a coach. You probably can't just jump into that.
Speaker 1: It's not like, uh yeah, very delicate and the button
Speaker 1: the vagina are very different methods. You gotta I think
Speaker 1: everyone should try it. And it's probably like jogging, but
Speaker 1: I don't do that. But apparently, you know, you get
Speaker 1: the runners higher or whatever. I don't get that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I like running. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's all similar to that, Like you do have to
Speaker 1: get over a hump. I don't. I don't think you'd
Speaker 1: be twenty seven times. Also, it's it's you know, I've
Speaker 1: had friends who that's exclusively what they like saying. I
Speaker 1: just love it. I'm like I wish I could train
Speaker 1: my friend my butt holded to like it. I think
Speaker 1: it's okay. I think that, like, I know, right, I
Speaker 1: think that like just regular sex, it is so bomb
Speaker 1: you know, it's like the bombs. I mean, at least
Speaker 1: how do me and my boyfriend have it? So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, it's popular for a reason. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like the cream of the crop. You can't
Speaker 1: really beat it. There's only one way to get a
Speaker 1: proper com enema. Whoa how a comment? Oh a commentment? Okay,
Speaker 1: I've never heard that phrase before. Why can't she just
Speaker 1: made it up? It's a great word. How did you
Speaker 1: guys where you could just do a coffee enema? Could
Speaker 1: you could do that too? I never thought about it,
Speaker 1: but it absolutely does act as an enema because there
Speaker 1: is a lot coming out of your hate the walk
Speaker 1: to the bathroom the next day, they walked to the
Speaker 1: bathroom after always. I think anal is a perfect solution
Speaker 1: for couples where like the guy has a very small penis. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, because then it's buying the girl like,
Speaker 1: you know, vaginally, and then you know, the butth holes tighter.
Speaker 1: So that might be a good solution for couples, Like,
Speaker 1: that's true because I never really know what to say
Speaker 1: when a guys like, my penis is really tiny? I
Speaker 1: always say, get really got a cunny lingus? Yeah? And massages,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, I would trade those. How did
Speaker 1: you guys? Every guy should get good at that. But
Speaker 1: that's female blue balls. I say, like a guy like
Speaker 1: goes to massage you for two seconds, He's like, all right,
Speaker 1: is that good? No? Yeah? How did you each learn
Speaker 1: about sex? What it was? Did your parents talked to you?
Speaker 1: Do you learn about in school? Did a friend tell you?
Speaker 1: Where do I Come from? That's it? Was it a book?
Speaker 1: It was a book and a film. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: did it say? Because some stuff like that is accurate
Speaker 1: and others like and also another book called who Am
Speaker 1: I now? Um? Where do I Come From? It was
Speaker 1: an illustrated book from maybe the late seventies or the
Speaker 1: early eighties, and it's portrayed very realistic body types like
Speaker 1: a chubby guy and a chubby woman, and it said
Speaker 1: sex is the closest two people can be. And then
Speaker 1: it had a little sperm in a top hat with
Speaker 1: a bundle of roses and a boat and he was
Speaker 1: going to go up there and he was gonna go
Speaker 1: romance and egg and then there was I think there
Speaker 1: was a cartoon version of it, like a movie version
Speaker 1: of it. It's great. And how how old were you
Speaker 1: when you saw that? I don't know over insertion because
Speaker 1: that's the part that no one told me until I
Speaker 1: had sex. Um, yeah, I'm sure because it was really
Speaker 1: describing also how babies are made. So it's yeah, it
Speaker 1: shows them they're both in a hot tub. It's very
Speaker 1: seventies illustration e looking you know what I mean if
Speaker 1: you can picture that kind of like um, what's his name,
Speaker 1: the giving tree guy. Yeah, it's like shell Servey's silver
Speaker 1: steel style of illustration. And they're in a hot tup
Speaker 1: together and he's standing up and he has a little
Speaker 1: bubble butt and like he's a he's a grower, not
Speaker 1: a shower. That's nice that they yeah, and then they're
Speaker 1: like on top, he's on top of her in the
Speaker 1: bed and I think they show yeah that he's he's
Speaker 1: putting it in and then a little sperm. That's great. Wow, Yeah, progressive.
Speaker 1: I none of the ship that I've seen today is
Speaker 1: goes over and search it, like hardly any of it like,
Speaker 1: that's an important part. Yeah, I also learned from a
Speaker 1: book thank God for How did you learn? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I remember this girl telling me at my school that
Speaker 1: that one day when you're like that, you have a
Speaker 1: cherry up there, and then one day while you're like
Speaker 1: peeing this like the cherry will come out and that
Speaker 1: will pop your cherry. So every time you pee, did
Speaker 1: you maxiously await for a cherry? But that wasn't really
Speaker 1: I guess that very fact full information. Um. Then I
Speaker 1: have a memory of like asking like an older family
Speaker 1: friend and she was like a couple of years older
Speaker 1: than me when I was a kid. I was like,
Speaker 1: I knew that sex was like the penis went inside
Speaker 1: the woman. I just didn't know exactly where. So I
Speaker 1: was like, is it the front or the back? Is
Speaker 1: it like the the puss or the but I didn't
Speaker 1: even know. She's like, oh, it's the puss, And I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I didn't even know there was a
Speaker 1: hole in. I didn't even know even the cervix. Um.
Speaker 1: I have a funny story which was actually Julie's story.
Speaker 1: I liked when your mom Julie asked her mom what
Speaker 1: a blow job was when she was a kid because
Speaker 1: she heard someone say that at school and your mom
Speaker 1: had the best answer, how old were you when you asked?
Speaker 1: I feel like I was like ten or eleven. It's
Speaker 1: pretty and this is like pre internet, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, said things keep in contact from just google
Speaker 1: blow job and see what comes up google images. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a hair do. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: convin I didn't even think I was asking her something weird,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I was just like, what's
Speaker 1: the love jub? She said it was when two people
Speaker 1: love each other so much they want to eat each
Speaker 1: other up. Way to say it a bad answer, like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really cute. I like that I also prevents you
Speaker 1: from giving blow job and then yeah, exactly high school yeah,
Speaker 1: because they actually was like I don't love you that much?
Speaker 1: Did you do that with guys? Like, well, well no,
Speaker 1: I was an idealist, so like I only I I
Speaker 1: only hooked up with guys I was totally in love with. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because yeah, when I was young in high school, but
Speaker 1: I didn't get into the and then they were on
Speaker 1: until much like okay, m later on it was the
Speaker 1: first like a year later. I've never been able to
Speaker 1: like yeah. College. I've never been able to like have
Speaker 1: even to hook up with a guy with if I
Speaker 1: didn't have at least a crush on him, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't care because to me, guy, I don't come
Speaker 1: from sex to sex, So I'm like, you're not. Can't
Speaker 1: you do like with your your hand? I can't be
Speaker 1: out with my hand. I can't. I can't really get
Speaker 1: off with my own hand, so I'd have to have
Speaker 1: like a vibrator so annoying. That's why that's why I'll
Speaker 1: bring it with me on the from ro because we
Speaker 1: have we do get supper hotel rooms when we when
Speaker 1: we stay like comedy festivals or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really fun. Were you like were did you start
Speaker 1: using vibrators really young? No? I started humping everything in
Speaker 1: my house really young, and I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: get pregnant and you could get off from that though,
Speaker 1: So you were gonna get pregnant from that? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know who the funk home.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone told me that. I just knew.
Speaker 1: I knew what I was doing was sexual and I
Speaker 1: knew I shouldn't do it in front of anybody else,
Speaker 1: What was your favorite thing to hump um the stuffed
Speaker 1: horse that I got for christ So what about giant
Speaker 1: stuffed panda? Oh see yeah those stuffed animals man. And
Speaker 1: then I got a stuffed snowman the next year, and
Speaker 1: I was like, ship, this could things again. So what
Speaker 1: if when you're having sex with your boyfriend you pretend
Speaker 1: he's the stuff snowman? Get off? Why do that to
Speaker 1: his penis? Like if he like, all, are you yes?
Speaker 1: This isn't really really an open environment, he's well even
Speaker 1: doing this for years, he's gotten her zeus. Well, there
Speaker 1: was some There was like a day where he listened
Speaker 1: to the podcast that was for the first time, and
Speaker 1: he just texted me like, I can't be you told
Speaker 1: people I like my bottle will licked and I was liker.
Speaker 1: I thought that was okay, And then he kept telling
Speaker 1: the story again and again. Yeah but now he doesn't
Speaker 1: well now I don't care. Now he doesn't care, but
Speaker 1: I do do that. I do that to his penis.
Speaker 1: I was just like, rub up against it. It's the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then I'm like, did I mess up with a
Speaker 1: giant my clip? Like I I kind of like trained
Speaker 1: myself to only be able to come that way, and
Speaker 1: then I either need a vibrator or like, what are
Speaker 1: you on top? Yeah, yeah, you need to try to
Speaker 1: just simulate that. I think, yeah, yeah, I wish I
Speaker 1: could come with my hand. I think it's so great.
Speaker 1: It's also the position of the clip, though everyone's clip
Speaker 1: isn't in the same spot, so like the closer it
Speaker 1: is to the opening that the easier it is to
Speaker 1: come from just regular penis. Julie's a bird act of
Speaker 1: it giving me so when I was so, when I
Speaker 1: was little, I yeah, I think the first memory I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that like sexual sensation was I think
Speaker 1: it was in like Tahoe in a pool and I
Speaker 1: was doing the little crab walk around the edge of
Speaker 1: the pool. I was like a little kid, and I
Speaker 1: felt the jet hit me in a spot and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's cool, that's fun. And then and then
Speaker 1: the whole summer well then I just then I learned, yeah,
Speaker 1: how to sort of duplicate that feeling with my hands.
Speaker 1: I would kind of do it with both hands. I'd
Speaker 1: kind of just like grab grab it down there and
Speaker 1: like hump my hands sort of. Yeah. Yeah, I used
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, And then I remember one time, I
Speaker 1: guess I used to do it under like my blankie,
Speaker 1: like thought, no one can tell if I was like
Speaker 1: in the living room, but I was doing it under
Speaker 1: my blankie. And then one time my mom was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing under the blankie, you need to like
Speaker 1: you need to stop. She didn't want to like shame me,
Speaker 1: but just like you know, like in public, like maybe
Speaker 1: don't do that. You know that's nice that yeah, that's good. Um.
Speaker 1: I didn't come to the hand thing until I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen or something. Yeah, mine was later, or like
Speaker 1: if I could, I don't. If I, for whatever reason
Speaker 1: didn't have that stuffed animal, I would just like put
Speaker 1: my hands under my pillow and be like, I guess
Speaker 1: this will do anything that vibrated, like a foot massage
Speaker 1: thing like an electric raisor like the little rotating spiral
Speaker 1: pen that you turned on. Oh yeah, oh that's good.
Speaker 1: I see. I'm like Hatachi, it's like diesel, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: light stuff doesn't. My method changed though, once I realized.
Speaker 1: I think when I was about when I learned the
Speaker 1: word masturbate, and I kind of was like in denial
Speaker 1: that that's what I had been doing. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, I think that is what I what I do.
Speaker 1: And then I started like experimenting with the different technique
Speaker 1: more of like a sophisticated one hand technique like a
Speaker 1: lady a more classic classic masturbation style, and that took
Speaker 1: me a while to adapt to, but then then I
Speaker 1: got used to it. That's good, though I wish I
Speaker 1: wish I didn't like go so hard on the simulation
Speaker 1: from a young age. I feel like, I, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I trained myself to need so much simulation
Speaker 1: or pressure and it's just like convenient corn addict guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh totally. But I know girls who like have what
Speaker 1: I call magic vagina and just the slightest little and
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh yeah, but you know they don't
Speaker 1: have any ambition because they're just jerking off all day. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of people said it's been debunked, the decent
Speaker 1: simulation thing, but I'm very against that, and I'm like
Speaker 1: debunked by who people who make vibrator because that's why
Speaker 1: I think debunked debunked it. Like I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that at all, Like you can over stimulate correct,
Speaker 1: but I mean, just like if you just use like
Speaker 1: logic and compared to anything else. And you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do too much of something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you can bring that down, maybe you can probably
Speaker 1: wean yourself off of it. Are you aware that the
Speaker 1: literalists goes up inside? And it is? Yes, so we
Speaker 1: we we have much longer. We researches, were right. We
Speaker 1: wrote a book and I researched all different kinds of
Speaker 1: aginas and how some women can come during sex and
Speaker 1: some women can't. I'm like, why, why that's so annoying?
Speaker 1: And then uh so, yeah, so it depends on the
Speaker 1: positioning of their clip. If it's like super high up
Speaker 1: and then it will eventually go in. But if it's
Speaker 1: really high up, like you know, not like on your
Speaker 1: belly butt, but you know what I mean, it's harder
Speaker 1: for a girl to come. But I know so many
Speaker 1: friends will come for during sex from just a penis
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but then their clip is closer to
Speaker 1: their service opening. Apparently, Yeah, they're all different. It's so
Speaker 1: it's so crazy all women have such different and penises
Speaker 1: are I mean, have you guys seen like I have?
Speaker 1: Not every penis I've seen, Honestly, I feel like looks
Speaker 1: very similar. I've never had an uncircumcised Every guy's not
Speaker 1: going to circumcise. It's just my experience. But I know
Speaker 1: that they are different. I just haven't seen. Yeah they
Speaker 1: have different angles. Well yeah, I've had a couple that
Speaker 1: were all different, different shapes, different sizes, different colors, circumcised, uncircumcised.
Speaker 1: My first boyfriend in high school who I lost my
Speaker 1: virginity two was uncircumcised, and so that was my first
Speaker 1: and then also after that the second guy was also uncircumcised,
Speaker 1: So that was like all you knew. Yeah, but those
Speaker 1: were both so different those two penises, Like, um, the
Speaker 1: way the like it's hard to explain the foreskin can
Speaker 1: be so different. It's like it real be. It can
Speaker 1: be very different. I can be like much more tight
Speaker 1: around like the head of the penis, or can be
Speaker 1: more like relaxed. Had you seen a penis before, like
Speaker 1: an uncircumcised penis, or was this like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: what a penis looks like? Um? I mean I grew
Speaker 1: up in a pretty like nude friendly household. We used
Speaker 1: to go to like hot springs, like hippie hot springs,
Speaker 1: and I would see naked people and it wasn't a
Speaker 1: big deal. But I don't think I really, like necessarily
Speaker 1: knew the difference between uncircumcised or circumcised. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just like a penis. Yeah, until later on
Speaker 1: I started to figure it out. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: even know that uncircumcised meant there was like a little
Speaker 1: sleeping bag over it, Like I didn't even I've never
Speaker 1: because I've never encountered one. We interviewed a guy and
Speaker 1: he was like, do you guys want to see it?
Speaker 1: I'm like yes, and he took it out. It was soft,
Speaker 1: so but it was did I see it too? You're
Speaker 1: in a studento But I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fun? I just I've never know You're okay,
Speaker 1: it's like that weird like jelly filled thing. You get
Speaker 1: it like oz squeeze and it pops out of your hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that seems like it would feel better like you
Speaker 1: kind of come in with a masturbation sleeps. It's a
Speaker 1: totally different motion of the ocean. Yeah, uncircumcised men have
Speaker 1: a totally different style of love making than circumcised men.
Speaker 1: New And it seems like when you get circumcised the
Speaker 1: simulation kind of gets a little muted from what I
Speaker 1: But so I'm like, do uncircumcised guys come harder? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's people who you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people who now can her circumcision general mutilation, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to stop that. Technically, it is course and it's desensitizing,
Speaker 1: but then some people get bad ones. Yeah, the rabbi
Speaker 1: was a little too drunk. Yeah, they eat, they eat
Speaker 1: the foreskin. No, they don't do that. They no, they
Speaker 1: don't bite it off. There's there's blood. Have you ever
Speaker 1: been to a breast an Orthodox? Uh temple? Don't? Why
Speaker 1: would they wouldn't even let us in? Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: You have to stand in the cage in the back
Speaker 1: as I call it, or or in the top in
Speaker 1: the nose blade seats. I've been. I watched opening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what's the guy do they off? You've never been
Speaker 1: to a breast? But I just learned I was Jewish
Speaker 1: because my mom's adopted, so my dad's adopted. O fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they're talk Yeah they should. My mom does have
Speaker 1: siblings that she doesn't know where they are. We might becausins.
Speaker 1: That'd be amazing. Yeah, it's not actually biting. It's I
Speaker 1: believe it's like they cut and then they suck the
Speaker 1: they like kind of like suck the blood out. But
Speaker 1: I mean there was a long time, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a long time when when you get a little nit
Speaker 1: little thing of baby's birth place, when oils were passing
Speaker 1: along her bees from a cold sort, and it was
Speaker 1: like a big problem they were it would well you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I know, I'm about all that pretty
Speaker 1: big activists about uh stopping female genital mutilation, and I
Speaker 1: think there's really no comparison though, because what they do
Speaker 1: to women is like selling up their vaginat I mean,
Speaker 1: is Jesus Christ very traumatic and it's like a lot
Speaker 1: of them died during it, and it takes away like
Speaker 1: all of their sexual pleasure for life and actually makes
Speaker 1: everything wait like incredibly painful sex childbirths like way more painful,
Speaker 1: and it's awful. It's it's like it's torture. It's absolutely awful.
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I'm an advocate for that. I just
Speaker 1: I just don't really know how to like to stop that,
Speaker 1: how to be more involved in it as like a
Speaker 1: Western woman, well know, how to get more involved in it.
Speaker 1: We we interviewed a woman. Her name is low and
Speaker 1: talent and she uh, which very much country she her
Speaker 1: family is from. She what, oh, yeah, you gone to
Speaker 1: right because you had been there and you guys bonded
Speaker 1: over that um and her she was saying, a member
Speaker 1: of her family, she she wants to start an organization
Speaker 1: to end that and to raise awareness and kind of
Speaker 1: collect money to because it's illegal, but then people still
Speaker 1: do it, but women will choose to do it because
Speaker 1: they're it's like a brainwash kind of thing because they
Speaker 1: won't find a husband if they don't have it exactly,
Speaker 1: and that means you're pure, That means you're better than
Speaker 1: everybody and all that ship. But her her, she said,
Speaker 1: her sister willingly like did it to herself? She wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, and she was like no, and so
Speaker 1: she's just it's the stigma of all things. It is
Speaker 1: kind of making sure women don't look at that as
Speaker 1: something righteous and something that is oppressive. It's just the
Speaker 1: way they see it is so different. Well, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a problem because it's like happening in America now,
Speaker 1: you know, and like there's like I I heard it right,
Speaker 1: a statistic that know within certain like community, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't know religious communities or whatever, because it
Speaker 1: because it was for lo Tel, it was part of
Speaker 1: her culture, her religion. Yeah, where that like it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happens like in New York. I think there's like
Speaker 1: I read a statistic, there's like a hundred thousand women
Speaker 1: that have it. It's a pretty large number. And it's
Speaker 1: probably it's illegal in the US, so these doctors probably
Speaker 1: are these doctors probably not. Even people don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it, you know, it makes people uncomfortable to
Speaker 1: talk about. When I first started taking my boyfriend, he'd
Speaker 1: never even heard of that. He had no idea that existed.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, like in Egypt, of women have
Speaker 1: it done there. So it's like there's a staggering amount
Speaker 1: in the world. There's like millions and millions of women
Speaker 1: in the world who haven't done It's a real problem
Speaker 1: and like we're so fortunate. Yeah, no one like messed
Speaker 1: with our you know. Yeah, but what do you feel
Speaker 1: about like kind of like a self inflict a general
Speaker 1: mutilation like laby a plastic which is getting more and
Speaker 1: more common for like more, you know, for aesthetic reasons.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I don't I mean, whatever I want
Speaker 1: to do is fine, you know, whatever makes them happy.
Speaker 1: I guess you know, you could say the same about
Speaker 1: the Yeah, if they're doing it, you know most of
Speaker 1: the time, that's I kind of feel what the funk.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel a little bit what the funk
Speaker 1: about all a lot of forms of plastic surgery, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I I question it. I question people are
Speaker 1: healthy that it's so common to go and just go
Speaker 1: decide to have surgery, have someone cut you open in
Speaker 1: various places because of how you want to look. I
Speaker 1: question that. I'm not I'm not judging it. I'm not
Speaker 1: judging people who do it, but it makes me a
Speaker 1: little like like I may do it like next year,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, getting old. But I still
Speaker 1: I think, like, yeah, I just don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I have a weird relationship
Speaker 1: to it too, because I don't I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't want make anybody feel bad for it. And then
Speaker 1: I know people, I fucking know people who I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that they got like a nose job or something.
Speaker 1: And my friend will be like, oh, here's a before picture.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're a great girl. Get I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I you know, it's a weird. That's a weird. It's
Speaker 1: a weird thing. It was like, yeah, your looks are
Speaker 1: you're all going through all of that for your looks.
Speaker 1: But then if you're born with a nose like Pinocchio,
Speaker 1: you know, then you know, I get it. Yeah, become
Speaker 1: a scientist, but then those mike get in the way,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're looking at microscope and if they'll
Speaker 1: just smell better though, right, Yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was always very like I antie it
Speaker 1: when I was younger, but yeah, I try to be
Speaker 1: like understanding of people. Well yeah, some people like may
Speaker 1: have grown up just like really ugly and didn't want
Speaker 1: that to affect their entire life. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: look more like normal. But sometimes doing that in the
Speaker 1: instance that you know, like Jennifer Gray, for example, I
Speaker 1: can ruin your entire career, like you got a nose
Speaker 1: job to look like everyone else, and then her career
Speaker 1: was done after that because she wasn't unique anymore. Exactly
Speaker 1: if you're like decent looking like don't you know, don't
Speaker 1: even if you're a monster though. Red thing is what's
Speaker 1: so sad about Jennifer Gray is that she still hated herself.
Speaker 1: So she's such a high level of success. People loved her,
Speaker 1: she had fans, she had got big roles, it was
Speaker 1: all working out, but none of that could convince her
Speaker 1: brain that she looked okay, none of it so that
Speaker 1: I think it's super funk up. But that's my thing
Speaker 1: about always. If I'm like I look ugly, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not for me. Whatever cares? Who cares what I think?
Speaker 1: You know, Like, obviously there's some people who like the
Speaker 1: way I look. So if I'm feeling down today, I
Speaker 1: just need to rely on there, whoever those people are,
Speaker 1: and just except that it's not ultimately up to me.
Speaker 1: I'm just here in the world contributing whatever it is
Speaker 1: I am, and I just have to try to roll
Speaker 1: with that as much as possible. I want you really
Speaker 1: think about it. If you think you're ugly but other
Speaker 1: people don't, that's kind of best case scenario because you
Speaker 1: have to look at yourself the least like in everyday life.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just avoid mirrors, it is like
Speaker 1: I'm tried. I'm trying. I try not to be judgmental
Speaker 1: about it, but I'm mean it makes me when I
Speaker 1: you don't want to be one of those people who
Speaker 1: have obvious plastic surgery, that makes me really uncomfortable. Like
Speaker 1: when I can tell someone has slip injections or a
Speaker 1: nose job or a boob job. It makes me actually
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable and it makes me feel bizarre. So same,
Speaker 1: And I feel bad for feeling it though, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I don't really know why I feel its moral of
Speaker 1: the story is if you're going to get work done,
Speaker 1: like have have a good work, well, I think it's
Speaker 1: just like most important maintaining that you still look like yourself,
Speaker 1: Like it's okay to look like the best version of yourself.
Speaker 1: But I see so many more people now than I
Speaker 1: used to, like look exactly like Kim Kardashian, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kim kard I know a lot of people that I
Speaker 1: think Kim Kardashian is really beautiful in whatever she's created.
Speaker 1: But like I do, I mean, it's a creation, but
Speaker 1: I fucking nailed it. Yeah, But but then when everyone
Speaker 1: looks like her, well, it's like it's the mono cultural culturalistation. Yes,
Speaker 1: everybody goes and gets the same nose job and does
Speaker 1: the same contouring makeup and it's creepy contour make up
Speaker 1: freaks me. I don't want to talk any specific ship
Speaker 1: and I don't like to, but one of something that
Speaker 1: kind of broke my heart a little bit was Agge Azalea.
Speaker 1: So I thought she was like absolutely hot as fucking
Speaker 1: totally stunning, and she did some stuff and to me,
Speaker 1: she looks much more generic, like it's gone like that
Speaker 1: whatever that quality and her uniqueness her. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: another case of like she couldn't whatever the voices in
Speaker 1: her head. Maybe there's some assholes in her life, who knows,
Speaker 1: who knows, but it's like, it's just, it's just it
Speaker 1: just speaks to the problem of self esteem, like how
Speaker 1: you need to be always watchful of your self esteem
Speaker 1: like levels, you need to make sure they're in a
Speaker 1: good place. You need to not like get obsessed with
Speaker 1: things that aren't real that your brain is creating and
Speaker 1: when you have at the end of the day, that's
Speaker 1: you could be like all the time you spend obsessing
Speaker 1: over the way you look and should I get this done?
Speaker 1: And the money I'll spend on that, Like you could
Speaker 1: spend that time like learning to get really good at
Speaker 1: an instrument, or I was gonna say, or something that's
Speaker 1: gonna be much more enriching in your life, because there
Speaker 1: is that plastic surgery that does I know exactly what
Speaker 1: you mean, like kind of hurts your soul. I think
Speaker 1: we saw it well. I mean we saw with Little
Speaker 1: Kim recently and then also with Michael Jackson, where it's
Speaker 1: like you've morphed yourself so much that there must be
Speaker 1: something like you're running from or trying to change, like
Speaker 1: really change yourself into someone that you're not. And that
Speaker 1: is when it gets sad because it's not just like,
Speaker 1: oh I didn't like this one thing, and if I
Speaker 1: fix this one thing, I'm really gonna like my presentation.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a whole morph. Yeah, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I I I like I like feeling hot. I like
Speaker 1: like doing my makeup and dressing up nice. I don't
Speaker 1: do it a lot because it's too much work and
Speaker 1: I don't care, but it's and then you realize, like
Speaker 1: I feel the sexiest when I'm on stage, when I'm
Speaker 1: like there's a crowd of people, I'm just talking in
Speaker 1: a mic and like that's when I feel like the
Speaker 1: honest because I'm controlling a room and I'm taking everybody
Speaker 1: and I don't Is it the same for you guys?
Speaker 1: Like when you're on stage on time, I either felt
Speaker 1: the sexiest or like the grossest on stage, depending on
Speaker 1: how the show is. Oh, if the show isn't going well, well,
Speaker 1: if yeah, if I bomb, I'm like I'm the worst
Speaker 1: poet here. But when it's like fire, yeah, You're like
Speaker 1: I feel so yeah, and I can't stop thinking about bomb.
Speaker 1: As a musician, Well it's not really bomb. But some
Speaker 1: shows we call them public pep smears. Like that's when
Speaker 1: you just the show you feel and it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: even a bad show, but something about the room is awkward.
Speaker 1: People were awkward and stiff and uncomfortable, and like the
Speaker 1: lighting was maybe awkward, and everything just felt like the
Speaker 1: vibe smear and then you don't feel hot. You know,
Speaker 1: but that happens a lot, you know, you like you
Speaker 1: get used to it as a performer, like you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it, you gotta do I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like when when the crowd sucks was stand up. It's
Speaker 1: like you have to commit just as hard as if
Speaker 1: you were playing okay, and when you met each other,
Speaker 1: what what was it about one another that you were like,
Speaker 1: we're going to be more than friends. So I want
Speaker 1: to work with this person more than friends. I just
Speaker 1: knew I really wanted to take our relationship to the
Speaker 1: next What can you need. There's a lot of friends
Speaker 1: that I love that I would never fucking work with professionally. Well,
Speaker 1: but we we weren't like friends first. I mean it really,
Speaker 1: it all had the choice that yeah, yeah, okay. So
Speaker 1: I mean she was my my customer at my store.
Speaker 1: Julie had red hair like my mom, so I felt
Speaker 1: comfortable around her, and Lindsay gave me her ap her
Speaker 1: solo ep her up, and I thought she had such
Speaker 1: a great voice and like good sense of rhyme, and
Speaker 1: it was like mmm and wanted. She learned the knitting
Speaker 1: and the crochet very quickly, so I knew the eye
Speaker 1: hand was strong. Julie just really struck me. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been living in l A for several years, and um,
Speaker 1: it's hard to I really like deep connections in l A.
Speaker 1: And Julie just was like a really interesting person to
Speaker 1: me and just didn't seem like you're like she was,
Speaker 1: for instance, she was a very good listener, and that's
Speaker 1: not like that's a rare quality to come by, especially
Speaker 1: in a city in l A where everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: hype themselves up. And um, you know what, I was
Speaker 1: just talking about you, how you're good listening. So I
Speaker 1: was like, that's really I was interested in Intrigued by
Speaker 1: the fact that she was so interested in me. I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, she's a really good listener because she's
Speaker 1: she was you were thinking of going to school for
Speaker 1: psychology at the time, So she's really interested in how
Speaker 1: the human brain works. And she likes to like psychoanalyzed people.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know she was psychoanalyzing me this whole time.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm always psychoanalyzing everybody. Yeah, so carefully,
Speaker 1: you guys, got anything good, I can't even help it. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean we can talk about it later. So that's
Speaker 1: really interests me. Is dynamic. I would need to go deeper.
Speaker 1: I would need to get a little bit more information,
Speaker 1: you know, before I could come to any like conclusions
Speaker 1: or you know, helpful tidbits. Gott I gotta go out,
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely I'm I'm intrigued the dynamic. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good, I'll take it. I want you to be kind.
Speaker 1: I'm so kind. Okay, good, I'm very kind. You're very kind.
Speaker 1: He's kind of me. Yeah, but it's kind. He just
Speaker 1: has boogie taste, snobby, he's a he's he's like his
Speaker 1: taste so snobby. But I really respect that. I'm just
Speaker 1: not that's different. That's different. Like, Yeah, I think also
Speaker 1: people sometimes who say like I'm not kind are the kindest. Oh,
Speaker 1: I say I'm very kind because you're always You're always
Speaker 1: about how kind I am. Yeah, so I don't yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think like you probably like walk around like yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I also say I'm on Askhotball, I'm not really,
Speaker 1: it's just kind. It's just a good vibe. Yeah, And um,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend wants me to give him a shout out
Speaker 1: on this show, so I will say that I have
Speaker 1: like the most amazing supportive boyfriend. We were listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast when we were driven across country several times,
Speaker 1: like at the end of doors, we'll take the van
Speaker 1: back to l A. You're listening to it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we might be on that show one day.
Speaker 1: And he said, you guys totally should. So I do
Speaker 1: think it takes a very supportive type of partner. I
Speaker 1: was going to let your your partner go on this
Speaker 1: platform and talk about such intimate stuff, and he really
Speaker 1: I mean every night, Like I've just I've dated so
Speaker 1: many guys over the course of like being in this band.
Speaker 1: And I've been with my boyfriend for a couple of
Speaker 1: years now. We lived together. We're very serious, and he's
Speaker 1: really like the first one where he really like I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like he was at all threatened by me
Speaker 1: being in a band, whereas other guys I think were
Speaker 1: like attracted to me because I was in a band
Speaker 1: and they liked the idea of it, but then the
Speaker 1: reality of it was that like they were too threatened
Speaker 1: by it. And my boyfriend is just like when when
Speaker 1: I see him watching one of our show, it was
Speaker 1: like he has a pure look of like joy on
Speaker 1: his face, like he truly loves it so much, and
Speaker 1: he's so like proud and happy and he loves our
Speaker 1: music and he wants us to succeed, and he's like
Speaker 1: a true feminist, which is like so amazing, and it's
Speaker 1: got to find a guy like that. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: I never really dated a guy that was I didd
Speaker 1: one guy in high school and college a little bit
Speaker 1: that was just a great guy. The drive was weird,
Speaker 1: but he was young, we were both young. And but
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh my god, guys can be like that.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, it's I mean, I feel so
Speaker 1: fortunate because he's just like, was raised with such a cool,
Speaker 1: strong mother that he respects women so much, and and
Speaker 1: he's like, I mean, he's hot, he's like great in bed,
Speaker 1: he's everything, you know. So it's like they do exist.
Speaker 1: You know. That's why I tell you guys do exist
Speaker 1: when they write us, and it's very obvious that they're
Speaker 1: just kind of settling for the partner that they think
Speaker 1: they deserve. And it's like, but no, you could. There's great,
Speaker 1: there's better people out there, and but isn't it better
Speaker 1: to be alone and by yourself and live like by
Speaker 1: yourself then with somebody who brings you down with them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I think you really you have to
Speaker 1: get your head out of your ass, because like with
Speaker 1: my boyfriend at first, like we met one night after
Speaker 1: one of our shows and I was like wasted, and
Speaker 1: we had like saw you perform and I never hear
Speaker 1: stories about that. And we had like a one night
Speaker 1: stand and then like I blew him off for weeks
Speaker 1: after that, and he was he kept pursuing me, but
Speaker 1: he's like seven years younger than me, and I was like, really,
Speaker 1: he was a kid. He's just like this. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's super hot, but it was like he's this young
Speaker 1: kid new to l A, Like you know, he's like
Speaker 1: young and naive and he just doesn't know that much.
Speaker 1: And I had all these ideas or misconceptions about him
Speaker 1: that ultimately weren't true at all. And then like I
Speaker 1: blow him off so many times, and I thank god
Speaker 1: he was persistent, and then we started hanging out and
Speaker 1: then I felt like madly in love with him and
Speaker 1: realized that I had had my head so far at
Speaker 1: my ass. I love when people surprise me, though, because
Speaker 1: I I judge people all the time, all there and
Speaker 1: are never what I expect to be, which I love.
Speaker 1: I love when they're not. They don't live up to
Speaker 1: the stereotype that I kind of push on them in
Speaker 1: my head, So you have to. I think with dating
Speaker 1: that's super important for people to like to just be
Speaker 1: like yeah, like everyone has this idea in their head
Speaker 1: of who they're supposed to be with, you know, like
Speaker 1: whatever that is, and um, you'll be like usually not,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you don't know. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: anything in life. You don't know what you're supposed to
Speaker 1: do or what you even want to do. You don't
Speaker 1: know that what you want to do, what it actually entails.
Speaker 1: You don't get to know if you want to do
Speaker 1: it till you're actually doing it, so you don't you
Speaker 1: don't know. Like the thing I think about getting into
Speaker 1: a serious relationship is, unfortunately or fortunately, you learn things
Speaker 1: about yourself that you may or may not have wanted
Speaker 1: to know, you know. And I think people with intimacy
Speaker 1: issues are they're just terrified of finding those things out
Speaker 1: about themselves. Yeah, they don't want to mirror held up
Speaker 1: in front of them so they can see their ugly parts.
Speaker 1: But it's like everyone has them, and if you're ugly,
Speaker 1: it's more like if you're if you're ugly part, you're
Speaker 1: bad parts. I forget who said this to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was you, where somebody. But if
Speaker 1: you're demons mesh well together and you're a good you're
Speaker 1: a good match. Because I wasn't I think that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, with my boy my boyfriend, he was like
Speaker 1: goofy and silly, and you know, maybe I had this
Speaker 1: idea in my head that I was I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to be super cool and like super like
Speaker 1: like you know, ended not but like I'm not cool,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like silly and goofy and dorky, and like
Speaker 1: that's I'm like so happy that he got me like
Speaker 1: out of my head and was able to just like
Speaker 1: be myself. And I had just lived in l A
Speaker 1: for too long, you know, and like been single for
Speaker 1: too long where you become like it gets exhausting. We
Speaker 1: only travel l A for like weeks at a time,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, yeah, I living there with It's such
Speaker 1: a different vibe from from New York in terms of
Speaker 1: the social interaction and the day I mean, dating's ship
Speaker 1: here too, but in a different way. Yeah. You just
Speaker 1: you know, you're like with the right person when you
Speaker 1: like just actually don't care what anyone thinks anymore at all. Um, So,
Speaker 1: how do you maintain relationships on the road? Is there
Speaker 1: any maintenance or because sometimes when I'm on but I'm
Speaker 1: not on the road, nearly as often as you. Guys,
Speaker 1: we really don't talk that much because I'm busy and
Speaker 1: we don't feel the need to always. I think you're
Speaker 1: at that place, like, yeah, Phil and I don't talk
Speaker 1: that much. We'll text a little bit and you try
Speaker 1: to face time so you can like see Mira, but
Speaker 1: I think to sext. Just kidding. We don't don't sex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were always trying to like video chat, like, but
Speaker 1: but we'd be sharing rooms. I'd like go into the
Speaker 1: bathroom and turn the whisper so awkward, and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: taking me out of this, I can't you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the mood needs to be said. For me, it's very
Speaker 1: and the littlest thing can take me out of the mood,
Speaker 1: like something like dropping in the background whatever. It's hard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to translate. It's like translating you know,
Speaker 1: the Odyssey into like into English or something. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to translate love making into texting. It doesn't it's
Speaker 1: just never right. It's always kind of awkward. You know,
Speaker 1: it should not be love making. That's your first mistake
Speaker 1: to be. She's the master dirty sex, most disgusting thing
Speaker 1: that you almost like wouldn't say to someone in person
Speaker 1: because you love and respect them too much. So whenever
Speaker 1: that nasty thing is, you can say that. On sex.
Speaker 1: We do this bit um in our live stage show
Speaker 1: called Sexting Theater. We ask anybody like, who's sex? Because
Speaker 1: I don't. We At first we started reading our own
Speaker 1: because parents were so graphic and like hot and great,
Speaker 1: but mine was like, don't go to sleep yet, I
Speaker 1: just need to take my context. I want to get
Speaker 1: home like it's mine, so not sexy at all, but
Speaker 1: we leave out those details. Yeah yeah, um, And but
Speaker 1: we've read people's sex and I'm like, god, day are
Speaker 1: they funny? Though some of them are funny, some of
Speaker 1: them didn't even read. One guy he was a gay guy.
Speaker 1: Who oh, they always have the best ones. They're like,
Speaker 1: I want to suck a fart out of your ass,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't even I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say it, and I have never I am not,
Speaker 1: I am not. Nothing shocks me anymore, just because we've
Speaker 1: been doing this for three years and I want to
Speaker 1: and I have it. Yeah, but I'm like, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I was impressed. I was zembient. I was like I
Speaker 1: wish I could get that turned on. I'm not a
Speaker 1: poet like that. I guess I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess sex thing probably only works when you don't
Speaker 1: know each other that well. Yeah, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it just comes comedy if you're doing that with somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, there's just there's sextors and then there's non sextors.
Speaker 1: That's all it comes down to. You know. I flirted
Speaker 1: over text with with guys like yeah at the very
Speaker 1: beginning of relationship because you haven't gone there yet with them,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, what if your shirt was off?
Speaker 1: And that seems edgy to you at the time because
Speaker 1: you've never been intimate with that person, So that I get.
Speaker 1: But then after we've been with someone for so long,
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's just have sex like in person. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like my one of my best friends, her and I
Speaker 1: like tell each other everything, so I get to like
Speaker 1: hear about her dating life and she would like she
Speaker 1: would read me, like show me some of her like
Speaker 1: sex with guys, and like, you know, they would just
Speaker 1: say one wrong word and it would throw her off
Speaker 1: if they were like I want to worship your anus,
Speaker 1: and then she I hate the word. The fact that
Speaker 1: he said anus clinical. You know, it turned me off.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with her. Yeah that can take
Speaker 1: that can take me out. I don't say. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if someone was like vagina, then they try to be
Speaker 1: sexy about like same pussy. Vagina is fine to me.
Speaker 1: But I remember one time she said that this guy
Speaker 1: was calling it like her flower and it creeped her out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like because that's what like children use. That's like
Speaker 1: my aunt uses with my cousins. Yeah, she felt like
Speaker 1: it was like child moleste and yeah, that's percent. Well,
Speaker 1: anytimes a guy tries to make use anything like infantile
Speaker 1: or childlike to me, that I don't. I really don't
Speaker 1: like that, even though that's some people's kink. Really not
Speaker 1: so people have a baby and king, yeah, where they
Speaker 1: wear a diaper about that, I'm like fascinating, even like pigtails,
Speaker 1: I can't handle that's I'm an adult person. And yeah yeah, no, no, no, um.
Speaker 1: I want to talk real quickly about like writing music together.
Speaker 1: I saw it coming this. I'm about writing music together.
Speaker 1: Do you when you sit down to write a song? Hat,
Speaker 1: what's the process? Like? Yeah, the fuck you do that?
Speaker 1: That's just always different wrap my head around, and it's
Speaker 1: so elusive, the creative process. You know, sometimes it's it's
Speaker 1: always different and it's like a muscle you just have
Speaker 1: to keep. You have to get through those awkward moments
Speaker 1: to like I have the mind through the cold to
Speaker 1: find the diamond, you know. But it's it's really just honestly,
Speaker 1: like every every type of way anyway we can do.
Speaker 1: You write always together or well one of you bring
Speaker 1: us song like oh I wrote this, or mostly we
Speaker 1: write together, but occasionally, um, you know, like Lindsay's really
Speaker 1: written a couple that she brought almost completed. I'll have
Speaker 1: like sections that I've written in my head that I'll
Speaker 1: try to like music or lyrics first. It can be
Speaker 1: either or either. We do do a lot of free
Speaker 1: jam ming. Oh, you probably come up with really good stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because commics come up with a lot great stuff while riffing,
Speaker 1: and he gets material riffs and beats that are like
Speaker 1: sick and like feel like something. And then and then
Speaker 1: we'll try to figure out, like what do we inject
Speaker 1: in there? You know, we'll pour through our lyric notebooks
Speaker 1: and look for stuff. Sometimes it's just a title. We
Speaker 1: have a title of a song. We're like Okay, let's
Speaker 1: that's you know. Most of the time, Like I don't
Speaker 1: really like sit around waiting for that magic moment of
Speaker 1: like creativity lightning to like strike me and then like
Speaker 1: it just like go to my guitar and the song
Speaker 1: comes out, like it's something you have to work at,
Speaker 1: you know. Like I mean, a lot of this last record,
Speaker 1: Femagism was written with um Nick Center from the I
Speaker 1: as our producer, not written with him, but he was
Speaker 1: producing our records. So he would like be in the
Speaker 1: room and he would be like, all right, you guys,
Speaker 1: just start writing, and he would record us and we
Speaker 1: would start jamming in front of him, which was at
Speaker 1: first very nerve racking because you're just like this sounds
Speaker 1: like ship it, you know. But then once you get
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, and we would do like one idea
Speaker 1: for like five or ten minutes, then move on to
Speaker 1: another idea, and then move on to another, and then
Speaker 1: at the end of that we would pick like the
Speaker 1: coolest one and he and then we would like develop
Speaker 1: that into a song. So having that pressure, like I
Speaker 1: work really well under that sort of pressure personally, like
Speaker 1: having you know, who wrote the lyrics to smile more
Speaker 1: it's my favorite song in the universe. The when you
Speaker 1: say that's the one I played for you in the
Speaker 1: car and you're like, who the fun We were like that,
Speaker 1: we were like we have to beat for a TV show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I'm not never, I've never. It's perfect. I love
Speaker 1: the part when you say, yes, I am a feminist,
Speaker 1: but that isn't why I'm doing this, because what what
Speaker 1: in your head was that anything? Was there anything behind
Speaker 1: that for you? Why you wrote that? Because I feel
Speaker 1: that way all the time, Like I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: thing about being like I guess like the other right,
Speaker 1: like a minority or a woman in uh an industry
Speaker 1: where it's frustrating because you are constantly pigeonholed as that thing,
Speaker 1: and it's like you can't just be a band. You
Speaker 1: have to constantly talk about what it's like being a
Speaker 1: woman in rock and roll, which then like kind of
Speaker 1: makes you into this sort of niche thing. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're women, but we just want to be like complete people.
Speaker 1: We want to just be a band. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's the struggling with that. It's like, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course we want like of course we feminists we want
Speaker 1: equality and all these things, but like we get you know,
Speaker 1: we get reduced to only being in that and that's
Speaker 1: all we ever get to talk about, and they will
Speaker 1: put you on a pedestal. Like we didn't even call
Speaker 1: ourselves that until people started calling us that, and then no,
Speaker 1: that's but that's pretty much what happened to us. Like
Speaker 1: on the first album Cycle We Go, we started getting
Speaker 1: asked about it so much that we started preparing answers,
Speaker 1: you know, and then then in our creative process, we
Speaker 1: started responding to it as well. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: why the album. Yeah, yeah, that's why I love that
Speaker 1: lyric because everyone, I mean, and I asked you this
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and I I gotta figure out better
Speaker 1: questions that don't have of it have to do with
Speaker 1: set your sex in like specifically an industry, because I
Speaker 1: hate when we get asked that because people always asking
Speaker 1: why you what's it like being a female comedian? Well,
Speaker 1: what it's like is having to answer this question times
Speaker 1: and stop saying female comedian, We're just a comedian. No
Speaker 1: one says, how what's it like being a male comedian?
Speaker 1: Or what's it like being a mane teach it's not
Speaker 1: it's like, well, that's all we ever get to talk
Speaker 1: about basically, you know, so I understand, like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: so much more than that. It's like, if there was
Speaker 1: a way to like to I don't know, to not
Speaker 1: have to talk about that, it would be awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we could eliminate even honestly, the word feminism would
Speaker 1: be great, if we didn't need that word or that
Speaker 1: would be looking awesome because the word wasn't like a
Speaker 1: weird niche thing. People just equality like it was given.
Speaker 1: You know, being a feminist isn't like being a vegan. No,
Speaker 1: not all, you know what I mean. More people are
Speaker 1: feminists than probably even realize it. Yeah, exactly, not like
Speaker 1: a weird niche life choice that everybody needs to like
Speaker 1: look into try to understand. Why would you want women
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? It's not complicated. We
Speaker 1: want to be treated with equal respect. How the fun
Speaker 1: it was that was really like slandered by like the
Speaker 1: far right when it when it's like you know, decades
Speaker 1: ago with like feminazi that was all created by the
Speaker 1: far right to really make people like justlike the whole
Speaker 1: concept of feminism when it make it and make it
Speaker 1: into something yucky and gross. You know, um, clearly it's
Speaker 1: still a thing that's threatening to two men. Men. Men
Speaker 1: feel threatened by it inherently, like when it should be sexy,
Speaker 1: should be like feminist. Yeah, they don't understand it so ironic.
Speaker 1: It means you hate men, or you think that men's
Speaker 1: rights should be taken away or something like that, or
Speaker 1: like somehow men will be dethroned or whatever. It's just
Speaker 1: it's like a threat. How do we get yes? And
Speaker 1: there I didn't really think there were truly men who
Speaker 1: thought that feminism truly. They're not trying to be funny,
Speaker 1: they're not trying to be an asshole. They truly thought
Speaker 1: him an anti men. I'm like, what do we have
Speaker 1: to do to that's a lot to say, that's definite.
Speaker 1: And it's also women too. There's a lot of women
Speaker 1: who I know, they're like, you're a feminist and it's
Speaker 1: like Christ, we're talking about It's like, all right, can
Speaker 1: we just not? Can we just I want to almost
Speaker 1: ignore the word and not give it so much attention
Speaker 1: and it doesn't word or something. Yeah, it's femagism. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's true. Well, it also comes with responsibility, and I
Speaker 1: think there are some women who just like kind of
Speaker 1: like don't want to step up and and be equal
Speaker 1: because it means it really it means more work, honestly,
Speaker 1: or it means that they then have to be pigeonholed
Speaker 1: into this thing, which I understand now. It's super frustrating
Speaker 1: when like, oh, you're a feminist, so it's like you're
Speaker 1: a feminist band, Like we're just a band band, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they and we want to be treated like equals,
Speaker 1: but like now you're like reducing us into this weird
Speaker 1: because the irony is the I feel like the bands
Speaker 1: that I that who are willingly like I am a
Speaker 1: feminist band is like I don't like your mean this
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. Like when they really when they parade
Speaker 1: the title, I always feel every anytime any see anybody
Speaker 1: like parading the title, it's just I don't know, it
Speaker 1: never comes off. It comes off weird. Do you write
Speaker 1: songs topically like this is something that I see and
Speaker 1: this is bothering me and I really wanna talk about
Speaker 1: this in a creative way, Yeah, definitely. And I was
Speaker 1: like that's how I mean, that's how I write jokes,
Speaker 1: which I think makes it harder for me than it
Speaker 1: needs to be. Um uh and also bigger than it
Speaker 1: needs to be. Uh. But they're a good joke, thank you.
Speaker 1: But I'm also like trying to do too much with
Speaker 1: like I'm like, it's also it's like, it's just a
Speaker 1: fucking joke. How do you do you ever worry about
Speaker 1: like getting to political or preachy in your songs, like
Speaker 1: where where it's you're yelling at people instead of like
Speaker 1: having a conversation through music. Yeah, all those women questions,
Speaker 1: like those feminism questions, but would you smile more? For instance?
Speaker 1: So I wrote most of the lyrics to that song,
Speaker 1: and like the feminist line was very um so visive.
Speaker 1: I guess. Um. There was someone we were working with
Speaker 1: at the time who was like, He's like I felt
Speaker 1: like that word would alienate people and that I could
Speaker 1: say that without saying it, and it kind of became
Speaker 1: a big discussion and again and and it's it's the
Speaker 1: way it wasn't. That song was the perfect way that
Speaker 1: I wish everyone said and used that work. And that's
Speaker 1: like people And then so many people responded to that
Speaker 1: line in the song and love it and it's like
Speaker 1: their favorite line, and um, so you know, it's it's interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a divisive word. I guess, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We have a lot. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: we've been really like post gaming. As this album cycle
Speaker 1: has been wrapping up, we've been looking at our career
Speaker 1: arc and thinking about how it's going, where it's going,
Speaker 1: where it was and all this stuff, and um, in
Speaker 1: the context of that, like the feminist thing that was
Speaker 1: put on us and then which we were like, okay,
Speaker 1: like cool, okay, so we're gonna take that and we're
Speaker 1: gonna say this, you know. Um, And we definitely have
Speaker 1: some friends in band, in girl bands, if you will,
Speaker 1: who didn't ever like court that, and that seemed to
Speaker 1: have benefited them. So, I mean, because it's right, but
Speaker 1: also I think there's like a whole group of people
Speaker 1: who feel alienated and threatened by it, who think who
Speaker 1: just unfortunately, we'll see the pictures of us and see
Speaker 1: like the word feminist, and they they'll have no idea that, right,
Speaker 1: we play like heavy like Giant Dick and Ball's cock Rock,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They just don't. They won't
Speaker 1: ever think we do that, and they won't they'll miss
Speaker 1: out on a thing they would have loved because we
Speaker 1: play a very like masculine type of music, like a
Speaker 1: super mono really sexy and it's really I actually, I mean,
Speaker 1: why do you say masculine, because I think I think
Speaker 1: it's so sexy and it's because you guys are women. Well,
Speaker 1: traditionally the genre of rock and roll has been very
Speaker 1: male dominated, you know, and women would tend to do
Speaker 1: like a more delicate types of music. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to play the you know, and that's yeah,
Speaker 1: or a lot of women without even realizing it, I
Speaker 1: think kind of. Um, the point of view they write
Speaker 1: songs from is as sort of like the victim of
Speaker 1: like you know, their lover left them, or they're pining
Speaker 1: after someone they can't have, or this whole you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that narrative point of view. It's like over and over again,
Speaker 1: and that's a narrative we we we try to like
Speaker 1: not use too often. So from that perspective, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's just more traditionally uh, masculine, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, but not not actually just in like
Speaker 1: the gender construct sort of you know, what's your fandom
Speaker 1: A graphic like it's a it's really across the board
Speaker 1: middle aged men. But but baby boomers love rock and roll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: middle aged men like love rock and roll, you know, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: like all of our dads. I'm sure you know my
Speaker 1: dad was that I would love you guys. He's like
Speaker 1: his Cindy Lawberus, his favorite person. We've seen something laper
Speaker 1: together like twelve times here. In fact, it was one
Speaker 1: of the last times we saw her. Is that his
Speaker 1: celebrity crush? I know, Susan Surrandon's his celebrity crush. It's
Speaker 1: a good crush. Wait, even though she said she's glad
Speaker 1: Trump is president, but I'm sure not politically anymore. But
Speaker 1: it was more of like his aesthetic type. And he
Speaker 1: also thinks Nicole Kidman is very beautiful. Yeah, she is
Speaker 1: very beautiful. She's pretty. Um well, thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for talking with us. Thank you, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having so excited to see you play tonight. Yeah, ship,
Speaker 1: It's been an amazing tour with Blondie and Garbage. That's
Speaker 1: so a lot of powerful women on this tour. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm so obsessed with Shirley Man's and I can't even
Speaker 1: handle it right now. Oh yeah, you guys get nervous
Speaker 1: around like badass rock stars like her. Um, not around Shirley.
Speaker 1: Shirley so easy to be around. She's so like she's
Speaker 1: so warm and like so down to earth and and
Speaker 1: Debbie is so cool and so kind. But I get
Speaker 1: a little intimidated around Debbie just because she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a total icon legend. I feel I'm worthy, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's amazing and I'm in love with her, but I
Speaker 1: just want to, like, I want to know everything. If
Speaker 1: I could, I would just like pick her brain and
Speaker 1: I want to know everything about like her life and
Speaker 1: what drove her to music. But then I don't want
Speaker 1: to buck her, so I try to play it cool,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. That's why it's like we don't tour
Speaker 1: with other comedians, but if we did, like like Sarah
Speaker 1: Silverman or something, I would just go in the room
Speaker 1: like what you doing? What you think? And I would
Speaker 1: just pick her brain and kind of force her of totally. Um,
Speaker 1: what where can we find you guys? What do you
Speaker 1: want to promote? What for your website? Whatever? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we just actually released an unplugged EP. I so
Speaker 1: good it's so good. You four songs off Fematism, So
Speaker 1: that's what we're hustling heavily at the moment. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: on iTunes and anywhere you'd buy music digitally. And then
Speaker 1: we've got Fematism, which is our second record. We've got Sistrionics,
Speaker 1: which is our first record, and um, and make sure
Speaker 1: you know everyone knows how to spell our band name
Speaker 1: because that is a A P and then no, that's
Speaker 1: what I meant e A P V A L O.
Speaker 1: The market, why any reason, any fun factor, You're just like,
Speaker 1: damn fun normal spelling. I mean, my name is spelled weird.
Speaker 1: I kind of like it. Yeah, it's kind of you're
Speaker 1: Hungarian though, right or something. No, No, my mom literally
Speaker 1: like some friends suggested that she spelled Christina at the
Speaker 1: way she did. She was like, Okay, I like it
Speaker 1: because it's different. And we have UM yeah, we have
Speaker 1: some new music videos. We just came out with UM.
Speaker 1: Like my boyfriend is a very talented film director and
Speaker 1: he's done. He did our critic video for us. He
Speaker 1: did he just did like an unplugged the unplug turn
Speaker 1: it Off video. He's done. UM, and we have several
Speaker 1: more that he's done that should be coming out soon.
Speaker 1: Definitely checked those out and then um, including one that
Speaker 1: was my thesis film in film school about penis phobia,
Speaker 1: and he took it and he re edit it into
Speaker 1: a music video for a song. This is so freaking
Speaker 1: crazy because I gotta say the whole time I've been
Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm like, this is Christina, this is Correy,
Speaker 1: and I went to film school and your boyfriend mag
Speaker 1: this is he's a music video director. That's how I
Speaker 1: met him. I was in his music video. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to say anything and everyone I feel weird, But
Speaker 1: now that took it over the edge and I had
Speaker 1: I had a vocal amazing. I love that I was
Speaker 1: the homely one. But I took my glasses off at
Speaker 1: the end and I was like, see, I'm pretty very
Speaker 1: racially cooked, or like, I'm not unattractive at all, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put these fake glasses and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be ugly and a troll. That's so fun. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you guys met someone like I was her intern when
Speaker 1: we met, and then she saw me do stand up
Speaker 1: and she was like, um, it's a talent management company
Speaker 1: called Leeman entertainment. I was trying to be Ari from Entourage,
Speaker 1: Like for a couple of years after Film School Girl,
Speaker 1: where'd you go to film school? Sp a School of
Speaker 1: Visual Arts Street in her junior years? It was a
Speaker 1: junior year, right, Amy Schumer was the lead in her movie,
Speaker 1: and then she likes, I'm very good at casting. I
Speaker 1: like I truly, I'm like, I haven't really many people
Speaker 1: that I've comedy partner became became like people like huge
Speaker 1: people like Yeah, we got to see Amy do like
Speaker 1: a taping for her last time she did her show,
Speaker 1: like her stand up portion. She came out on stage.
Speaker 1: We're sitting in front row and she's fucking I mean,
Speaker 1: she was still huge. She wasn't as big as she
Speaker 1: is now, but she was still everywhere. And she came
Speaker 1: out and stage. She's like, oh my god, Karan, hey,
Speaker 1: how are you and like just pause the taping to
Speaker 1: talk to her. Amazing. Yeah, she's badass. I love her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: None of my people, none of my people ever became
Speaker 1: not yet. You never know that penis video. Did you
Speaker 1: have penis phobia or it was just about like a
Speaker 1: total penis phobia? Kidding? Really? Yeah, bone or phobia, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just see a boner are away. No, I didn't
Speaker 1: see it. I felt it, and I didn't understand how
Speaker 1: anybody part could be hardly that other than like an
Speaker 1: elbow or a knee, and I became terrified. Well it
Speaker 1: freaked me out when I found out you could like
Speaker 1: actually break a penis. Yeah, that's terrifying. When oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's apparently it's rare. I don't know, I really, I
Speaker 1: haven't met a lot of others who had to, but
Speaker 1: I definitely How did you know about conquering that giving
Speaker 1: coming give a hand up on camera? I'm not I
Speaker 1: didn't act in the film. She just did it. Wait,
Speaker 1: but is that how you actually got over your fear
Speaker 1: of boners? How do you get over fear of boners? Well,
Speaker 1: obviously have to just like face it head on. It's
Speaker 1: a great film though, and I'm so happy that John
Speaker 1: Stavis turned turned it into a music video that's going
Speaker 1: to be coming in I'll Have a New Life. It's
Speaker 1: really really awesome. I'm excited to see that. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: one of the shots is like from the point of
Speaker 1: view of the penis, which is very you know what,
Speaker 1: that's a good that's good. We need we need to
Speaker 1: see that. Oh good, okay, thank you guys so much
Speaker 1: for talking with us. And also one more thing. We
Speaker 1: just came up with a video for the song Julian.
Speaker 1: Did you see that one? No, I didn't see that video,
Speaker 1: but I love that song really fun and one of
Speaker 1: my best friends, Erica Clevinger, directed that one. Um, so
Speaker 1: check that one out as well. Yeah, it's a monster mash.
Speaker 1: You guys have a lot of music to listen to,
Speaker 1: a lot of videos to watch. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for sitting down with us. Thanks for having us such
Speaker 1: an honor. Oh, it's an honor for us, so thank
Speaker 1: you so many. Chatty ladies. You know this has been guys,
Speaker 1: we fucked the anti slot changing podcast. We'll talk to
Speaker 1: you next Friday. Just seeing him, there's no reason. It's
Speaker 1: saves me and I get sick in hand. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be turn it off. I don't want to
Speaker 1: tell it off. Away, away, away and away, turn it off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stays days days, nay turns with the hell,
Speaker 1: a line with the hell. It's on your mind. Come
Speaker 1: on now, come on, I'm gonna lose mam. Thanks so
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