Speaker 1: Let's do this thing. Excited. Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 1: All right, I tried something a little different, so let's
Speaker 1: just feel it out. Okay, okay, pray, He's gonna look
Speaker 1: and see if he's the right rock. Look before he
Speaker 1: does anything. Whoa the top in motion, second in gold
Speaker 1: to the end zone and right on the goal line.
Speaker 1: It is caught by Hogan for the touchdown, becomes the
Speaker 1: on side kick, and it is grapped with complete control
Speaker 1: by Ebner. They got one shot for the game. One
Speaker 1: play in Evans to the end zone, abits and complete
Speaker 1: and the Patriots hold on for the victory. Yes, the
Speaker 1: Patriots held on for the victory. Tom Brady through for
Speaker 1: three three yards and one touchdown. And uh the Patriots defense,
Speaker 1: which has been so maligned historically bad in the first
Speaker 1: quarter of the season, stepped up against the New England
Speaker 1: against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the help of Nick Folk,
Speaker 1: of course, a nineteen fourteen win for the Pats that
Speaker 1: improves the defending Super Bowl record it's champions record to
Speaker 1: three and two. And um, I'm here because Dan Hans
Speaker 1: is here with Greg Rosenthal and uh Erica Tamposey behind
Speaker 1: the glass celebrating like a maniac. It's tam Posey's world.
Speaker 1: Loved the remix at the top of the show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that didn't sound good. I didn't like that, But what
Speaker 1: can I do at this point? Um, all right, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Greg. Uh. This was not a perfect
Speaker 1: performance by the Patriots, but the defense really did uh
Speaker 1: step up, especially in light of how how how terrible
Speaker 1: they've been and the short week and all that. The
Speaker 1: defense deserves a lot of credit and the Bucks seem
Speaker 1: to be just out of sorts right now. They are offensively,
Speaker 1: and I think you give Bill Belichick and Matt Patricia,
Speaker 1: you know, kudos for their game plan. They backed up
Speaker 1: all night. They really took away the deep ball. They
Speaker 1: made Jamis be patient and worked the ball slowly down
Speaker 1: the field and execute and he really wasn't up to it.
Speaker 1: And yes it was close at the end. And I
Speaker 1: think the Patriots offensively will really regret not putting this
Speaker 1: game away. That was really on. That's really all old Tommy,
Speaker 1: who had a couple of great quarters, but they were
Speaker 1: quiet in the fourth quarter because turnovers to by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, one of them not really on Tom Brad
Speaker 1: free guy hits him in the back. But that those
Speaker 1: turnovers point out what complimentary football this was. Because the
Speaker 1: Bucks didn't score off of either of those turnovers. The
Speaker 1: Bucks had a hundred and sixty yards going into the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, so until until late when the Patriots offense
Speaker 1: really couldn't get anything going. Uh, the defense to the jump, Yes,
Speaker 1: the defense played very well. I was extremely Uh and
Speaker 1: by the way, I locked this up thanks by the way, guys,
Speaker 1: Biluser moves the three and two. I'll take a Patriots
Speaker 1: lock any for me either either you you know, either
Speaker 1: the Patriots win or you get the lock run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you did follow another half game behind in the
Speaker 1: lock standing. So let's let's let's be honestly down with
Speaker 1: the lock standings. No one's even defined what a lock
Speaker 1: has to be. But that's beside the point. Look at you, salty,
Speaker 1: so salty? Um, all right? So the problem I was
Speaker 1: so disappointed in the in the Bucks, and and I
Speaker 1: thought they played a terrible game. Jamis Winston. Can you
Speaker 1: make a play, buddy, I mean, you go the whole game.
Speaker 1: He finally heats up a little bit near the end,
Speaker 1: and and you can't completely blame him. Uh, And Nick Folk,
Speaker 1: you know they have. It's a curse or something going
Speaker 1: on in Tampa with a kicker situation. Uh missing a
Speaker 1: thirty one yard or that. That was outrageous to me.
Speaker 1: But so yes, the to me, the story of the
Speaker 1: game is the Hatriots getting it together on defense, but
Speaker 1: the Bucks are as biggest story to me that they
Speaker 1: just don't seem to have it together. Doug Martin comes back,
Speaker 1: Doug Martin to me look good, and for him to
Speaker 1: come on the field look good. And Winston to miss
Speaker 1: so many throws, to have a lot of unforced errors,
Speaker 1: to miss those field goals, I mean, it just it
Speaker 1: was not a cohesive effort by Tampa. They haven't been
Speaker 1: cohesive all year offensively, and it's early and we're seeing
Speaker 1: it with this Patriots team. These teams figure themselves out
Speaker 1: as they go. But if you're a Buccaneers fan or
Speaker 1: your dirt cutter or Jamis Winston, you have to be concerned.
Speaker 1: Because I've watched all four of these Buccaneers games and uneven.
Speaker 1: This is very similar to the to the rest of
Speaker 1: them where they'll have little stretches where they pop and
Speaker 1: you see all the different weapons and that gets you excited.
Speaker 1: But for the most part. It's a lot of erratic
Speaker 1: play and Stefan Gilmour and you know, Malcolm Butler certainly
Speaker 1: deserves some credit for doing a good job on the
Speaker 1: back end. It was definitely a good day for the secondary.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you're right, you gotta make a play. And
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, who had the worst quarter I would say
Speaker 1: of his season in the first quarter with an overthrow
Speaker 1: a couple other off target throws, was on fire for
Speaker 1: a couple of quarters, second and third quarter. I mean
Speaker 1: some of the prettiest throws you ever want to see.
Speaker 1: And that's a quarterback making a play. And ultimately that
Speaker 1: was enough to get them to win. And you know,
Speaker 1: the Bucks are missing several key players, including Lavante David
Speaker 1: and that can't be over the safety's Kawan Alexander. It
Speaker 1: was a night I would have expected the Patriots to
Speaker 1: score a lot more than nine. Yeah, and the Patriots
Speaker 1: missing Gronk who who's a late scratch right before the game.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I I thought. On the Patriots side of
Speaker 1: the ball, the um Danny Amidola is as long as
Speaker 1: he stays healthy, he's going to continue to be a
Speaker 1: productive guy. Eight targets, eight receptions. Chris Hogan continues to
Speaker 1: be a guy. I mean, the Patriots always gonna be
Speaker 1: fine on offense. I want to see what happens next
Speaker 1: after this week. I think they did catch the Bucks
Speaker 1: in a weird place. They did not play well, and
Speaker 1: they got a little they got a little lucky. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest, it was let's be honest, they got a
Speaker 1: little bit lucky that Nick Folk couldn't make a kick misses.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal, absolutely, but it's not you can
Speaker 1: just add those nine points and say, oh, they would
Speaker 1: have won because the Patriots played this game from ahead.
Speaker 1: For a while, I thought Belichick was gonna love this.
Speaker 1: It was like the first ugly sort of game. They
Speaker 1: really controlled the whole time. They did not play well
Speaker 1: with the lead in the fourth quarter, but they would
Speaker 1: have played everything differently if Folk had had hit those kicks.
Speaker 1: But but you mentioned Amondola. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you watched the Loose Cannon's Twitter account during this
Speaker 1: I don't track it too closely. It was hot, it
Speaker 1: was on fire. I mean there was a lot going on.
Speaker 1: There was a lot going on. I mean a lot,
Speaker 1: A lot of slacks sent my way of looking just
Speaker 1: like uh, run. You know she was she was hurt.
Speaker 1: I mean when Danny Evendola tripped that one time, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Wow, what a special moment for the throne
Speaker 1: of ease. And one one other thing that really jumped
Speaker 1: out to me and shows you, you know what a
Speaker 1: bad night the Bucks had on offense, Uh six seven.
Speaker 1: The Patriots have a lead, they can line up and
Speaker 1: kick a fifty two yard field goal or tempted two
Speaker 1: yard field goal and they're kickers look good, uh and
Speaker 1: hit what a fifty eight yard or a week before
Speaker 1: they choose to punt and Tony Romo, who had another
Speaker 1: excellent game by he had the best game of the night. Players, coaches,
Speaker 1: announcers included another great game by Tony. He said, they
Speaker 1: don't think they can score on them twice. Think about that.
Speaker 1: This is the Patriots evens that came into the game
Speaker 1: on pace that the worst defense ever and the Bucks
Speaker 1: were so poor that the Pats had enough their chest
Speaker 1: supping to think we can beat these guys with our defense.
Speaker 1: That's interesting and and to that point of the game
Speaker 1: and made total sense. The Bucks almost proved him wrong.
Speaker 1: You gotta give the Bucks some credit for three straight
Speaker 1: long drives there in the fourth quarter, including one where
Speaker 1: where folk Um missed it. I also give you know,
Speaker 1: the Belichick and Brady some credit that late in the
Speaker 1: game they're going empty. No one's in the backfield when
Speaker 1: it's clock killing time, it's third night, they're just throwing
Speaker 1: the ball anyways. They're not worried about incompletes. They're just
Speaker 1: trusting Tom. I did I think, you know what, when
Speaker 1: you got Tom Brady, you can do those things. Not
Speaker 1: many teams skin um. All right, So that's it for
Speaker 1: the Thursday night football game. We have so much more
Speaker 1: to get to. So let's get uh connected with Mark
Speaker 1: Sessler and start the week five preview We run Yeah Baby,
Speaker 1: do you Around the NFL Podcast knows where the hot
Speaker 1: dogs are kept? Welcome back to another addition of the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Jansas and
Speaker 1: I am joined by Rod Philda sub heroes, Mark celer
Speaker 1: and Greg Rusal. What's up voice? Hey? Hey, hey, hi,
Speaker 1: hi hi. It's that was catchy from Greg. That could
Speaker 1: be a new kind stand in for we hear it again?
Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, that's what I think of when I
Speaker 1: think of Greg. Do you want to make that the
Speaker 1: official like substitute. We missed Christopher Westling in countless ways,
Speaker 1: and that's one of them. That's show. I yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Greg Mark was pounding the table for you a
Speaker 1: little bit there. I was not. I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: thought that fits Greg. You did a good job with it.
Speaker 1: It's what it's a sound drop that makes me think
Speaker 1: of sort of Greg esque things. Yeah, okay, I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying there. I'm reading between the lots there.
Speaker 1: This is the UH Week five preview episode, sponsored of course,
Speaker 1: and presented by Head and Shoulders. You heard at the
Speaker 1: top of the show our recap of Patriots at Bucks,
Speaker 1: But we got a lot more to get to. Although
Speaker 1: this is well, I shouldn't say that. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say this is the first week with teams on by,
Speaker 1: but hurricane stuff led to the Dolphins and the Bucks
Speaker 1: and two other teams having byes. Is that correct? They
Speaker 1: were They were the only paying each other and so
Speaker 1: it feels like a long time agolready. So those yeah,
Speaker 1: those two teams had the week one by, but this
Speaker 1: week the Falcons, Broncos, Saints and Redskins all on by,
Speaker 1: so fewer games to get to. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that it's going to be a lesser effort, Greg, we are,
Speaker 1: and it might be to the contrary. In fact, that
Speaker 1: would be a strange reaction if we take the less game. Damn,
Speaker 1: let's just it's not really care this week. And you
Speaker 1: know what, just everybody want everybody like I want to
Speaker 1: say at the top of the show, just to keep
Speaker 1: you know, keep I'm nextally keep an eye because you
Speaker 1: can't but keep an ear out for Tam Posty. She's
Speaker 1: very fired up with the Cam Newton controversy and general
Speaker 1: like she you know, a lot of aggression toward us.
Speaker 1: I thought it was misguided a little bit before the show.
Speaker 1: I want to see if it carries over when the
Speaker 1: when the the old tapes a rolling. How you doing
Speaker 1: doing good? Yeah? We you know that we are big
Speaker 1: time supporters of you and all women in sports media.
Speaker 1: It's making that clear. Yeah, no, it's cool. Don't don't
Speaker 1: be a man about it and get all emotional. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that you. It's like Cam Newton. Yeah, um, it's
Speaker 1: way to make it about you. See, I see this
Speaker 1: is what I was talking about. I just try to
Speaker 1: talk Dereka and then I walk into these traps. I
Speaker 1: got no way out checks out on some level, but
Speaker 1: we'll let's for jump anyway. So we got the loose
Speaker 1: canter behind the glass. We're happy to have her. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we have a lot to get to. So why
Speaker 1: don't we get into the games? Uh? No, need to
Speaker 1: to mess around any further. Uh, and let's start, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Am I forgetting anything? I feel like I'm forgetting something,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. Do you want to play the Cam
Speaker 1: Newton thing? Now we're gon We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that when we talk panthers. But let's start.
Speaker 1: Let's get going. Oh, Mark had a a newborn daughter. Congratulate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Isabel Rose, that's right, thank you. Wow, you gotta shut
Speaker 1: that thing down. Mark. Wait really, Now, I was just
Speaker 1: trying to Oh my god. I was like, I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to announce it on this show. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was, you know, big enough to make the rundown.
Speaker 1: But Dan's shoved it into the lineup and by now
Speaker 1: there will be an Isabel Rose Cessler Twitter handle out there.
Speaker 1: It's about twenty four hours, so I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: Um Okay, yeah, let's get into the games and we'll
Speaker 1: start with sneak one of my favorite games of the week,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. The Buffalo Bills three and one, first place
Speaker 1: alone in first place in the a f C East,
Speaker 1: and now they go on the road to face a
Speaker 1: one in three teams. So you're thinking yourself, WHOA, things
Speaker 1: are looking good for the Bills. Not only are they
Speaker 1: in first place, they get to play one in three teams.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. I'm gonna let you set
Speaker 1: this up. Um, but I got fields on this. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not ready to count out Cincinnati, and I
Speaker 1: feel like they have a really good chance this week. Well,
Speaker 1: I already feel like I'm getting in the way of
Speaker 1: your love little game. If it's not, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's too late for you to claim this game as
Speaker 1: the one you watch on Sunday morning. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be you guys mind. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of competition on Bill's Bengals the hot
Speaker 1: game of the week. Well, I here's the thing. Watching
Speaker 1: the Bills this week, but not only this week, every week.
Speaker 1: One of the best coach teams in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: everyone in Sean McVeigh I get it is a rock
Speaker 1: star at this point in time in the NFL season.
Speaker 1: But h McDermott's getting a little overlooked. I love what
Speaker 1: he's done with this Bills team up till now. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to figure out how to score some
Speaker 1: points in this game because the Bengals defense been solid
Speaker 1: third in the league and points allowed. No Jordan Matthews.
Speaker 1: You think, okay, yeah, he's a solid receiver, but he
Speaker 1: is very valuable to them because they don't have any
Speaker 1: other wide receivers. Ay Jones has been targeted seventeen times
Speaker 1: this year with four catches. That is ridiculous. Tyrod Taylor's
Speaker 1: already second to last in the NFL in attempt So
Speaker 1: this is a team that just doesn't throw the ball much.
Speaker 1: But you got a somewhat and Charles Clay is having
Speaker 1: an okay season, but you really don't have much else
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be hard to generate offense. It's fair
Speaker 1: to look at what happened in that Falcons game, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we dug into this on
Speaker 1: Sunday night, but Matt Ryan had a pass that clearly
Speaker 1: was forward motion. He was he was finishing it, the ball,
Speaker 1: scored it out of his hands though at one point,
Speaker 1: and they called it a fumble and the Bills took
Speaker 1: it in for a touchdown. They would not have won
Speaker 1: that game had they correctly called that. That said the
Speaker 1: Bills to me, I like, how about this Eddie Yarborough guy.
Speaker 1: They're getting guys like Micah Hyde involved. It's just Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott doing what he did in Carolina, which is taking
Speaker 1: role players and players that weren't necessarily stars and making
Speaker 1: them incredibly productive on defense. This is a lot of
Speaker 1: the same parts that Rex Ryan had had generated to
Speaker 1: create a completely confused roster. These guys are playing and
Speaker 1: they're talking about this defense is easier, simpler to learn,
Speaker 1: and it shows. I think this is a tough game
Speaker 1: for Buffalo. If they win, they'll definitely have my respect
Speaker 1: and I'll be buying in a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: have to say, um, I'm excited about this Bill Laser arrow.
Speaker 1: They're up like seventy five yards a game since he's
Speaker 1: taken over. They're they're scoring twenty eight points a game,
Speaker 1: almost averaging there. Andy Dalton looks like a much different
Speaker 1: quarterback now, and I think when you factor in their
Speaker 1: defense with an improved Dalton, and there's still the remember
Speaker 1: Tyler efforts always hurt now, but there's still pieces in place.
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon hasn't really broken out yet. I think this
Speaker 1: team could get hot, and I think I were gonna
Speaker 1: see it this week. That's why I'm taking Cincinnati. I
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati to win too. I don't feel that much
Speaker 1: differently about the Bengals right now than I did before
Speaker 1: the season. You look at their Football Outsiders numbers, which
Speaker 1: I like, the way they do their efficiency their nineteenth
Speaker 1: in the league. That sounds about right. That's ahead of
Speaker 1: teams like Dallas, New England, Oakland. I think they're a
Speaker 1: fine team. I think they do get a win. I'm
Speaker 1: going Bills, all right, let's move on next up. Oh
Speaker 1: here it is Mark. One of these days, one of
Speaker 1: these years, this will be a game that other people
Speaker 1: or anybody is looking forward to. We're just not there yet.
Speaker 1: Just the it's just the truth of the matter, not
Speaker 1: even close to be the New York Jets. You have
Speaker 1: to go back to like nineteen eighties six for people
Speaker 1: to be plugged into this matchup. But the New York
Speaker 1: Jets are two and two, a surprise two and two,
Speaker 1: and they traveled now to Cleveland to face the Browns,
Speaker 1: and uh, Mark, I want we've talked about the brown struggles.
Speaker 1: Let's zero in here and focus on Deshaun Kaiser. Um.
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't have the supporting cast. I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues that he has no control of,
Speaker 1: but looking past that, do you see a guy that
Speaker 1: should be on the field right now and is growing
Speaker 1: or is he going in the wrong direction in your
Speaker 1: opinion right now? Well, I I don't see another option
Speaker 1: on the roster, so let's start there. I think he's
Speaker 1: the guy that you got to ride out this season
Speaker 1: before you head into another critical draft. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what that even means at this point for the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: but look, Kaiser, I still think that you see moments
Speaker 1: in games where he does things very well and it
Speaker 1: gives you little moments of hope. But I can't assess
Speaker 1: some of his play when this is a team that
Speaker 1: we thought would run the ball with was with Isaiah Crowell.
Speaker 1: The only player I can identify an offense that's of
Speaker 1: any help to the Shaun Kaiser is Duke Johnson. There
Speaker 1: either number one option on and what's rumbling? What's number two?
Speaker 1: Because because I and Kenny britt has he'll give you
Speaker 1: two good plays a game and then he essentially takes
Speaker 1: the rest of the game off. And they are just
Speaker 1: signing receivers off the street to fill in the blanks
Speaker 1: at this point on the jet side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And this is the point I was gonna make on Sunday,
Speaker 1: so I'll make it now. So it's been I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: It's been cooking, and I've been luxuriating in this team.
Speaker 1: I've been based in Greg like a turkey getting ready
Speaker 1: for my marinating. Um. Not a hot take, but just
Speaker 1: more a general, you know, viewpoint on what's been going
Speaker 1: on with this team. So they did unload everybody. They
Speaker 1: got rid of everybody that had a name brand in
Speaker 1: the off season, and that's what led to the talk
Speaker 1: that they were going to be potentially historically bad. But
Speaker 1: then you look at like then you take a look
Speaker 1: at it. Sheldon Richardson, Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, David Harris,
Speaker 1: Nick Mangold, uh fits Magic Gino Smith. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: missing people to um. All those guys that they lost,
Speaker 1: they have not been either in the league or thrived
Speaker 1: where they've went and then you look on the other
Speaker 1: side of it. A boy, Big Mac has not done
Speaker 1: a bad job here. Josh McCown has has been steady
Speaker 1: for the most part. Cony Eally had four batted down
Speaker 1: passes uh last week and the Jets win against Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and has been active. Uh. Not a game changing guy,
Speaker 1: but a nice addition for a guy that the Pats
Speaker 1: gave up on and cost him a second round pick. Uh.
Speaker 1: Terence Brooke move nine, moved, they moved back. Okay, then
Speaker 1: move back, but you know it was not a successful
Speaker 1: move by the Patriots. It was a bad job. Terrence
Speaker 1: Brooks a safety that they got in a trade for
Speaker 1: Dexter McDougald before the season started. He was Player of
Speaker 1: the Week last year with two picks. Jermaine Curse has
Speaker 1: stepped in and been a nice part of their offense.
Speaker 1: So Claiborne has been a great one year signing, and
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna leverage that into a big contract. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that big contract is gonna be worth
Speaker 1: it whoever gives it to him, including maybe the Jets.
Speaker 1: My point is is that the reason and not so
Speaker 1: terrible is all those guys they purge haven't been weren't
Speaker 1: really guys that could help them, and he's brought in
Speaker 1: guys quietly that are doing a nice job, and that's
Speaker 1: how you got the two and two. It's a great point.
Speaker 1: And the way we talked about these two teams before
Speaker 1: the season, it's obvious we thought, if anything, this would
Speaker 1: be a body switch game where it would be the
Speaker 1: Browns who would be two and two with a lot
Speaker 1: of front this moves. It would have us buzzing and
Speaker 1: you know, young players playing above their heads, and that
Speaker 1: the that the Jets would be this team. It's impossible
Speaker 1: to watch. You go watch every single team in the league.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns right now are the one club that
Speaker 1: does not look like they are organized like a professional
Speaker 1: football team. They are hard to watch on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. It's not fair to the fans. They
Speaker 1: there's nothing to hold onto. They are thirty in the
Speaker 1: league in offensete and defense and thirtie and special teams
Speaker 1: on football, so it's like there's nothing to just grab
Speaker 1: ahold of and feel like, okay, that's what we have alright.
Speaker 1: Moving on. Okay, so let's talk about the Panthers. The
Speaker 1: Browns will win. It's just that's the the karma of things.
Speaker 1: I don't gotta win a game. I do not, and
Speaker 1: that's why I watching up the Jets were moving trying
Speaker 1: to chin anything. You have that whole segment to lock
Speaker 1: a team up, I did it my own way. I
Speaker 1: locked my own way. All right. Before we get into
Speaker 1: Panthers lines, let's address Cam Newton first. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: heard of it. In case you didn't, Uh, here's what
Speaker 1: the comment that Cam made during and otherwise mundane mid
Speaker 1: season press conference. Uh, let's listen to it. You know,
Speaker 1: you take a lot of pride in seeing your receivers
Speaker 1: playing well. Devin Bunches has seemed to really embrace the
Speaker 1: physicality of his routes and and making getting those extra
Speaker 1: yards because that give you a little bit of an
Speaker 1: enjoyment to see him kind of trust seeking people out there.
Speaker 1: It's funny to hear female talk about routes like I can't.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's what he said, I can't. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm the most surprised about. And we
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit before the show, like
Speaker 1: in a news conference. There's no adrenaline, there's no reason
Speaker 1: why you would there's no excuse for that type of
Speaker 1: comment no matter what's going on with you. But the
Speaker 1: fact that like it showed a basic lack of common sense,
Speaker 1: like to to let that slip out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: That just showed to me and West and I had
Speaker 1: been kind of uh talked about Cam and West famously
Speaker 1: is called Cam Newton preening shimo. And I know now
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are saying, well, there's
Speaker 1: a you should separate Cam from the past and the
Speaker 1: people that have criticized him the past from this incident
Speaker 1: where he deserves to be criticized. In my opinion, Cam,
Speaker 1: this has always been part of the Cam Newton experience,
Speaker 1: which is he could be a knucklehead sometimes and sometimes
Speaker 1: he does things I never let him. I I wasn't
Speaker 1: one of the people that let him off the hook
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl fifty press conference. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people did, uh some of his other behavior
Speaker 1: throughout the years. This to me is just a continuation
Speaker 1: of what's been an issue with Cam Newton and and
Speaker 1: some of his behavior. That's just my take. You know you,
Speaker 1: I will never forget back in as a rabid young
Speaker 1: sports fan when the Lisa Olsen incident occurred. She was
Speaker 1: a Boston Herald writer who went into the Patriots locker
Speaker 1: room covering the Patriots and was harassed by Patriots players
Speaker 1: and wound up suing the team. And they talked about
Speaker 1: that as they call a watershed moment for sports writers
Speaker 1: in general, for females covering sports, that we had crossed
Speaker 1: the rubuts for that picular Patriots ownership too, which handled
Speaker 1: it so poorly, they handled terribly the league. The league
Speaker 1: did what they could at that point. They did not
Speaker 1: necessarily handle a great either. Twenty seven years later, nothing's changed,
Speaker 1: nothing's changed. Well, I think something's have changed in that
Speaker 1: this second that Cam Newton makes a comment like this,
Speaker 1: he pays for it. And and that's the thing where look,
Speaker 1: he lost a sponsorship over it. He's getting he's paying
Speaker 1: for he's paying a price for it, like he's learning
Speaker 1: a quick lesson. I think the difference now, maybe between
Speaker 1: and then, is that sort of thing will happen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The one thing I'd say is that I think people
Speaker 1: now are trained to know that you must respond in
Speaker 1: a certain way to that incident, where before it was
Speaker 1: not the same world. And I wonder how many people
Speaker 1: quietly agree with Cam Newton, whether or not they say
Speaker 1: something verbally. It's one of the things that I've learned. Um,
Speaker 1: having worked at the NFL for seven years and having
Speaker 1: worked with a lot of like talented women. Uh, our
Speaker 1: girl Erica behind the Glass is one of them, Colleen lindsay,
Speaker 1: all these different people we've worked with over the years,
Speaker 1: when you get close enough to them, uh, and and
Speaker 1: you get an up close view of that women that
Speaker 1: work in the sports industry have to deal with from
Speaker 1: sexist men and people that just don't view at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, that that a woman should be
Speaker 1: asking a question about routes. Like the fact that I
Speaker 1: sent out some tweets yesterday, um, just you know, going
Speaker 1: after cam on it like a lot of people did.
Speaker 1: And then there were people coming out of the woodwork,
Speaker 1: like you know, saying that you know, oh yeah, you're
Speaker 1: too sensitive, blah blah blah. Like it's a really, it's
Speaker 1: out there, it's still there. It's greg's right, it's still
Speaker 1: something where it's still there and it's somehow more accepted
Speaker 1: out there than than racial I mean, it's it's it's different.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're fired up about it. Eric Erica, you
Speaker 1: came in here with a lot of comments comments like
Speaker 1: it certainly rubbed you the wrong way, right that like
Speaker 1: seeing someone in your industry talk like that, it's just
Speaker 1: so calm that that's why it's so frustrating is that
Speaker 1: we as as female in any industry and especially sports,
Speaker 1: you know, and in any situation, that this is stuff
Speaker 1: that we deal with all the time, that someone went
Speaker 1: on a public platform can stand up there and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's funny to hear you talk about routes and it's
Speaker 1: like you've had a few good games, but you've had
Speaker 1: a ton of bad ones to cam like, maybe you
Speaker 1: should focus on your routes, like just because someone else
Speaker 1: has their research done, and it just it just it
Speaker 1: blows my mind that it happens so often, and that's
Speaker 1: why it's so upsetting. The reporter, by the way, it
Speaker 1: was Jordan and Rodrigue, who is like a author weekly
Speaker 1: of tape study pieces that we we looked at David
Speaker 1: Eally and I were looking at one among the panthers,
Speaker 1: like by the way that she knows exactly what she's
Speaker 1: talking about. So enough with this, and here's the good news,
Speaker 1: like Greg said, there is the progress is that there
Speaker 1: is an instant outcry when someone is an idiot like this,
Speaker 1: I got a statement to read this one all the
Speaker 1: way to the yogurt industry, folks, and in corp, let's
Speaker 1: get some missive music. We are shocked and disheartened at
Speaker 1: the behavior and comments of Cam Newton towards Jordan Rodrigue,
Speaker 1: which we perceive is sexist and disparaging to all women.
Speaker 1: Is entirely inconsistent with our commitment to fostering equality and
Speaker 1: inclusion in every workplace. It's simply not okay to be
Speaker 1: little anyone based on gender, and we have shared our
Speaker 1: concerns with Cam and will no longer work with him.
Speaker 1: So Cam loses his yogurt sponsorship, which is a huge deal.
Speaker 1: By that, that's a big deal. There's not only is
Speaker 1: that a lot of money, but not many NFL players
Speaker 1: crossover and that's like the goal. Like that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason why Cam, who is beloved for his work
Speaker 1: with kids, and kids love him and he has a
Speaker 1: show on Nickelodeon, Like that's part of the reason he
Speaker 1: does stuff like that is to get, you know, to
Speaker 1: have that crossover appeal. And he just got bang for
Speaker 1: it in a big He killed himself with this and
Speaker 1: it's gonna stick with him the rest of his career,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, it's hard to feel sorry for him. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's move on now and talk about the games.
Speaker 1: So the Panthers three and one tied first in the
Speaker 1: NFC South and how they traveled to Detroit to face
Speaker 1: the lines. Also three and one coming off that really
Speaker 1: nice uh win over the Vikings where they got the
Speaker 1: they got to stop they needed at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. Um, Greg, your thoughts on this matchup? Which
Speaker 1: team has impressed you more when you've been studying the
Speaker 1: tape this season? The Panthers have impressed me more. I
Speaker 1: I like both of these teams, and Lions fans think
Speaker 1: we're not giving them enough credit. They've been there three
Speaker 1: and one, They're one of many teams have been close
Speaker 1: in almost every game. But the difference is I think
Speaker 1: the Panthers can be really good on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. The Lions, I think Greg Robinson is going
Speaker 1: to cost them a win one of these weeks. And
Speaker 1: this is a week where it makes sense You're going
Speaker 1: up against Julius Peppers and Mario Addison and Kawan Short
Speaker 1: who are all playing well, the Panthers offense to me,
Speaker 1: hasn't looked as bad and Cam Newton as their reputation
Speaker 1: throughout the year. I think they're kind of slowly getting
Speaker 1: it together, whereas the Lions, like like last week, like
Speaker 1: their offense has not looked great. I would say in
Speaker 1: back to back weeks, it's a little more conservative. You'd
Speaker 1: like to see Matthew Stafford go down the field a
Speaker 1: little bit more than he has been. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought as much as Greg Robinson, Ricky
Speaker 1: Wagner was victimized last week by the by the Vikings,
Speaker 1: they almost lost that game. It's it's a different type
Speaker 1: of Lions offense to some degree. I mean a mirab
Speaker 1: Dullah I think the positive he's running the ball well,
Speaker 1: he's coming nearly crossed that hundred yards threshold, which I
Speaker 1: think they have not done in fifty six straight games,
Speaker 1: which is outrageous. The next team I think is the
Speaker 1: Ravens a fifty fifteen or something. But you're watching Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford last week, and I get it because it's against
Speaker 1: the Vikings defense, but checking down into the run, I
Speaker 1: mean often like they are running the ball higher percentage
Speaker 1: than they have they're almost like to the percentage of
Speaker 1: last year's Cowboys they were getting. They're crawling into that
Speaker 1: space to some degree. And the Lions, to your point,
Speaker 1: mark like Abdulla has been a big part. He's not
Speaker 1: having a big time season, but he's coming along. They've
Speaker 1: ranked I think thirty second something like that the last
Speaker 1: three seasons running in the football. And you've gotta have
Speaker 1: some type of balance. So if Abdulla can stay healthy,
Speaker 1: that gives him that balance. And then on the other
Speaker 1: side of the ball, they are doing a great job,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is sustainable. So like
Speaker 1: I put them, I should have had them lower, And
Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking, I had like eighteen than our
Speaker 1: little power pole thing, it definitely should have better position.
Speaker 1: I should have had him in a better position, probably
Speaker 1: in the ten to twelve range if I could do
Speaker 1: it again, But I can't. That's gone. You gotta give
Speaker 1: up the ghost. But I can tell you the fact
Speaker 1: that they've been so opportunistic. They have a plus nine
Speaker 1: turnover differential, and they have forty seven points off turnovers,
Speaker 1: which is tied for the most in the league. Um
Speaker 1: and almost half their points have come off turnovers. This season.
Speaker 1: The question is are they going to regress. Is that's
Speaker 1: something that can keep up. I don't know if they can.
Speaker 1: That's my only concern there. Yeah, they they're having people
Speaker 1: emerge though. Glover Quinn has kind of been a forgotten
Speaker 1: guy on that defense, but is maybe the key to
Speaker 1: it in the in the back end has been playing well.
Speaker 1: Anthony Zette, who I talked about early in the season,
Speaker 1: continues to perform. So they are more of a balanced
Speaker 1: team and and they could run the ball, unlike the
Speaker 1: Panthers who want to be a running team. And it
Speaker 1: was maybe slowly coming around, but they really haven't been
Speaker 1: a running team yet. And Christian McCaffrey especially not really
Speaker 1: been a good running back so far. He's been a
Speaker 1: good player in the passing game, but he's under three
Speaker 1: yards per carry, Like I don't they're starting almost to
Speaker 1: reduce his role in the running game, which is interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's almost extremely passed from on the on the on
Speaker 1: the Panthers side. To Jordan's point, Devin Funcs, who I
Speaker 1: think I wrote a and making the Leap type piece
Speaker 1: about it during one lazy summer day years ago, thinking
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna finally like had this monster season and
Speaker 1: it never materials. He's starting to be used more and
Speaker 1: more each week, and he's only twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: It feels like he's been in the legal while only
Speaker 1: twenty three years they were counting on this before. This
Speaker 1: is good that they're getting a good game. If you
Speaker 1: win this, Lions, you'll get plenty of lo I always
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised by how often the Making the Leap
Speaker 1: series comes up on this podcast. And but now I
Speaker 1: think about it, when you take a step back, it's
Speaker 1: like if you wrote a Making the Peace Leap about
Speaker 1: Devin Funches two or three years ago, and then he come,
Speaker 1: he breaks out on a somewhat on some way validates
Speaker 1: your piece, even though you kind of didn't get it right.
Speaker 1: You could say like, I didn't know was in him
Speaker 1: this whole time. So I think that's why it comes
Speaker 1: up to a very self serving series if you wanted
Speaker 1: it to, and then you just simply, you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't have to magnify the ones that went completely
Speaker 1: south off the Let's move on to San Francisco. Forty
Speaker 1: niners winless uh and three straight narrow losses. UH. They
Speaker 1: now traveled to Indianapolis and they get the Colts, who uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they beat Cleveland at home a week three.
Speaker 1: In week four, things are looking okay against Seattle on
Speaker 1: the road. They're looking very good for the Cults at halftime,
Speaker 1: and then the wheels came off and they lost forty
Speaker 1: six eighteen. Uh. Andrew Luck is practicing in a limited capacity,
Speaker 1: but he it doesn't sound like he's anywhere close to
Speaker 1: coming back yet. So it's more Jake Brisket, h mark
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this game. We don't have to dig
Speaker 1: into deep here. Let's be honest. It's a bit of
Speaker 1: a strange game. I I think it's good for the
Speaker 1: Cults that when they do get Andrew Luck back that
Speaker 1: this week they're getting it. Sounds like Ryan Kelly their
Speaker 1: center back, and you're starting to see these pieces come
Speaker 1: into place. My question, we're the Titans, Jaguars and Bengals
Speaker 1: up after this week? Will it be too little too
Speaker 1: late when they finally do get Luck. I like this
Speaker 1: forty Niners to schedule though, Titans, Jaguars, Bengals. Well, if
Speaker 1: you if you drop two of those, that's your division, right.
Speaker 1: This is sort of a must win is I think
Speaker 1: they have to and I think it's a game they
Speaker 1: can win. But the thing about the forty Niners, I
Speaker 1: know they're are in four and if you don't want
Speaker 1: to watch them at all, you can just dismiss them entirely.
Speaker 1: But I like what's happening with their defense in areas
Speaker 1: they get pressure and Brian Hoyer is holding that team
Speaker 1: back with his mistakes. But I do believe that the
Speaker 1: forty Niners are gonna win one or two games with
Speaker 1: their defense. Solomon Thomas has his first this would be it,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's kind of a It's a
Speaker 1: weird game for the Colts, and if they lose this one,
Speaker 1: their season is in deep trouble. Frank Gore needs I think,
Speaker 1: just three or four yards to pass Eric Dickerson four
Speaker 1: number seven Gorbo. Yeah. The Niners reporters, who all clearly
Speaker 1: love Frank Gore, we're just loving writing big features about him,
Speaker 1: you know, getting Jim Harbaugh to to speak, I mean,
Speaker 1: you listen to Gore talk and he can break down
Speaker 1: the Colts Cole, I mean, the forty Niners team right
Speaker 1: now better than anyone. And I got it talking to him,
Speaker 1: like no one loves football more than Gore, Like he
Speaker 1: just seems like he's obsessed with the game, and he's
Speaker 1: still that way. The last three losses have been by
Speaker 1: a total of eight points. But if they don't win
Speaker 1: this game, I'm I'm just looking to the schedule at
Speaker 1: what well they're done. But I'm just talking about let's
Speaker 1: get some wins. Boys at Washington home to Dallas at
Speaker 1: Philadelphia to close out their first half schedule. They might
Speaker 1: go into the second half. We're seeing the limits of
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. I mean, Kyle Shanahan can help you to
Speaker 1: a point, and he is. But Aldrick Robinson still their
Speaker 1: number two receiver and Brian hoyerre still their quarterback. What's
Speaker 1: the limits of their offensive rosters. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. That's all I mean. Let's move
Speaker 1: on the Tennessee tit tuns uh to and to sit down,
Speaker 1: be humble after a harrowing loss in Houston. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like harrow wing is a good way to
Speaker 1: put that. When the a fifty burger dropped on you,
Speaker 1: damn it, nearly a sixty burger. Now they travel to
Speaker 1: Miami to face the Dolphins, who are a mess. Let's
Speaker 1: face it. So if you're the Titans, and you're looking
Speaker 1: your wounds after that, and your quarterback has a bum
Speaker 1: hamstring and you're hoping that he's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: play and be effective. You've got a team that's either
Speaker 1: this is either a great matchup to get the Dolphins
Speaker 1: out because they've been playing so poorly the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: or you look at it where the Dolphins greg are
Speaker 1: not as bad as they have indicated these last two weeks,
Speaker 1: and and you could be in trouble if you're Tennessee. Well,
Speaker 1: they haven't been home for more than a month. So
Speaker 1: if you're a Dolphins fan that wants to pin your
Speaker 1: hopes on some sort of turnaround, and you have the
Speaker 1: one in four start last year, and you have the
Speaker 1: fact that they literally, I think I've only been home
Speaker 1: for a couple of days in five or six weeks.
Speaker 1: So maybe that stabilizes things. And maybe when you play
Speaker 1: the Titans, even if Marcus Mariota is out there and
Speaker 1: we're not sure yet whether he can play on his hamstring,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be moving and they've they've basically
Speaker 1: said that he would have to play from the pocket,
Speaker 1: and movement has been a huge part of their offense
Speaker 1: and his really effectiveness this year. He struggled to start
Speaker 1: last week and Matt Castle. If you want to see
Speaker 1: the worst twenty five minutes of the game of the
Speaker 1: season by any quarterback, that was Matt Castle. That's tough
Speaker 1: for you to say that's your guy. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is two of my Castle was one. West always would
Speaker 1: just say it was my guy. Uh, well, I'm just
Speaker 1: playing these these are two. These are two quarterbacks. At
Speaker 1: the very bottom, Cutler's found a quarterback he's better than Well,
Speaker 1: it's hard right now, Cudler, I mean, honestly, in terms
Speaker 1: of a downfield passing game, has really only been better
Speaker 1: than Joe Flacco. Color has been astonishingly bad. It's it's
Speaker 1: you made the point that he looked up at that
Speaker 1: announcing booth that he would have been a part of
Speaker 1: in London, probably thinking would that have been an easier
Speaker 1: situation than this. He's answering questions about while he's out
Speaker 1: wide on a wildcat play, looking like he's taken a
Speaker 1: nap standing up. It's not a good situation though they've
Speaker 1: barely been on the field. If ever, there's a matchup
Speaker 1: to get right though, this is it that the Titans.
Speaker 1: Who U you know you? If I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to use that other insulting nickname, the
Speaker 1: secondary and their defense would be a reason to get
Speaker 1: after them. Their thirty feet in the league and in
Speaker 1: points allowed. Their cornerbacks were among the worst in the
Speaker 1: league last year. Dorry Jackson come back to us. They
Speaker 1: were they replaced, They replaced them, and it's Lashawn Sims
Speaker 1: and McCain and Jackson. It's like this. If the Dolphins
Speaker 1: can't throw on this team, they can't throw on it.
Speaker 1: I think Jay gets right this week, healthy type of game,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly the Dolphins are two and two and
Speaker 1: it's like nothing ever happened. That's your nightmare. That's definitely
Speaker 1: not my nightmare. Well I'm not. I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Put it that way. I seem like sneaky
Speaker 1: sort of sneaky heat between you and handsome Hank every
Speaker 1: time you beat in the hallways. Well your friends, so
Speaker 1: you know you're not enemies. It's always a little hot
Speaker 1: during football seasons. Dolphins. Dolphins fans and Jets fans. They
Speaker 1: don't just they don't like each other. That's it, right
Speaker 1: that you should know this you're from the region. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can get along with with Dave Damnak, a Steelers fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he simply doesn't even respect the rivalry. So you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, when's the last how am
Speaker 1: I supposed? How am I supposed to take that? Acting
Speaker 1: like your two and two jets are going to take
Speaker 1: the A f C s. Please definitely not definitely not.
Speaker 1: Um listen, don't don't lure me into your spider web.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, Um. By the way, anybody missed Chris Burman
Speaker 1: when you said castle for some reason? I got it.
Speaker 1: I got like, if Chris Burnman is here, when you
Speaker 1: brought out castle back, you'd go handrink back and castles
Speaker 1: made of sand fall into the sea eventually back after that,
Speaker 1: if I missed him, you filled that need right there,
Speaker 1: and then I'll not think about him again. He's it's
Speaker 1: just weird. He is gone for the first time in
Speaker 1: our lifetime. That's a nobody's talking about it, right he was.
Speaker 1: He was somehow overshadowed by Tom Petty this week. I
Speaker 1: don't understand what do you mean? You know, the absence
Speaker 1: of chrisp Them in our lives was you know, continually
Speaker 1: overshadowed by something on a weekly So maybe next week
Speaker 1: Chris burn moving. I like the guy. I don't don't
Speaker 1: know where I'm going with job by the Titans. This
Speaker 1: have bad castle in this position, by the way about yeah,
Speaker 1: and also Tytoons fans, if you go and beat Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler on the road, stay out of my inventions. You
Speaker 1: got a big win. You just have fifty seven dropped on.
Speaker 1: He's gonna take a few weeks now. For me, even
Speaker 1: that game was the greatest thing that's ever happened to
Speaker 1: you on our show. You liked that they're back in
Speaker 1: their position. They are so back in the old Juicers doghouse,
Speaker 1: and I love it. I love that we're like thirty
Speaker 1: five minutes into the show and have gone over three
Speaker 1: low watted games. Let's move on the Los Angeles chart
Speaker 1: you how about this, Let's let's put turn the wattage up,
Speaker 1: you know, and four Chargers travel to the meadow ends
Speaker 1: to face the Owen four Giants. Somebody's got to win
Speaker 1: this game, right Mark, Well, I mean it could. It
Speaker 1: could end in a tie as zero zero tie. I
Speaker 1: this is a depressing game. It's uh. I'm one of
Speaker 1: four analysts to pick the Giants to go the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But I'm the only one, unfortunately to pick the Uns
Speaker 1: and the Chargers after this week and now in this
Speaker 1: room as well. And I don't know. I mean for me,
Speaker 1: the Chargers to me have looked desperate on offense. They
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent, but there it's not a
Speaker 1: cohesive unit. I thought that the moment for them this
Speaker 1: season when Philip Rivers the mouthpiece comes out and he's
Speaker 1: just jawling at the O. C. Wizzen hunt at the sideline.
Speaker 1: He's super upset, and he should be. It's been the
Speaker 1: most frustrating season you could ever have scripted for Philip Rivers,
Speaker 1: who did his best too. He's got the Rivers Mobile
Speaker 1: going up and down the West Coast and it's gas
Speaker 1: mileage amounting to nothing so far. That they missed Mike's here,
Speaker 1: I mean, they missed Mike momoy or I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's just a coincidence because Ken Wizzen was there
Speaker 1: last year and that was one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: like this Chargers offense. I thought, Okay, there's continuity, but
Speaker 1: Mike McCoy is coming out the other end. I mean
Speaker 1: Chargers fans the one of that stuck with them moving
Speaker 1: from San Diego to l A. Have to be thinking
Speaker 1: like maybe that wasn't so bad at least are off
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch. Now you're right, there's a
Speaker 1: lack of rhythm, a lot of miscommunication, a lot of
Speaker 1: not being on the same page. Um, yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. I mean it's probably it is.
Speaker 1: I have a personal question that do you ever get
Speaker 1: on the phone with with Charlie cast Early and add
Speaker 1: Kinka Wala and Judy Batista whoever Charlie did. I'm actually
Speaker 1: just making up the names who actually like, do you
Speaker 1: guys just like talk about It's not it's not reached
Speaker 1: phone level. We have an online a forum, a support
Speaker 1: forum for you know, predictions that are beyond horrible that
Speaker 1: we're not the people have not stopp reminding the apologies
Speaker 1: to the other you know ladies. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: put two people into that. Maybe I did not make
Speaker 1: this just they're kind of they're in that like they're women.
Speaker 1: Well they're in that. You know, Greg, grab right into
Speaker 1: that trap you have. You have painted yourself into a
Speaker 1: tough corner. This uh, this is the week for Joey Bosa.
Speaker 1: Moving on to UH to get right. He's been very
Speaker 1: Is that how you you save yourself America? You just
Speaker 1: don't address it. Change the subject, all right, I'll try that.
Speaker 1: I'll try that. I have no need to because I
Speaker 1: believe I'm in good standing with Erica. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals are two and two and UH kind
Speaker 1: of boring and they're just another team, but some people
Speaker 1: support them, and we talked about every game. So we
Speaker 1: talked about the Cardinals traveling to Philadelphia. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: got a legend, you know, if nothing else. Larry Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: put a couple more memorable moments into his cand Larry,
Speaker 1: how about Larry Legend? At the d Backs Rockies UH
Speaker 1: one game playoff yesterday, they cut to him. It was
Speaker 1: like the seventh inning, it was eight seven. Fitzgerald all
Speaker 1: the way in. UH actually had the nerves. He looked
Speaker 1: like he had fan anxiety. He's just like my favorite player.
Speaker 1: Probably the last twenty years never changed, Bunny who won
Speaker 1: that baseball Snakes? The Snakes advanced to the NL. I
Speaker 1: don't need them going. Finally, one of the great rival
Speaker 1: reasons sport, Diamondbacks Rockies reunited again. UM, all right, here
Speaker 1: we go. Let's talk about uh this game. Uh. We'll
Speaker 1: start with you on this one, Greg, the Eagles, Um,
Speaker 1: there's they're feisty. You're in on the Eagles, aren't you.
Speaker 1: I I am in there are my preseason prediction. One
Speaker 1: of the only things that that are turning out well
Speaker 1: so far to win this division. And one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why it is because it's because they're so good upfront.
Speaker 1: I think that they're tackles right now. And it really
Speaker 1: struck me playing the Chargers. When you can shut down
Speaker 1: Ingram and Bosa for the most part, and you're getting
Speaker 1: big time space in the running game, you're doing something right.
Speaker 1: These are This is one of the best offensive lines
Speaker 1: in the league, and they push you around on both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. I think that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough spot here for the car I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: think we all saw what La Gary blunted, and that
Speaker 1: feels like if that can continue, this is an incredibly
Speaker 1: balanced offense. It takes a lot of heat off Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: a quarterback that was asked to do so much last year.
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz has been a big security blanket for him
Speaker 1: and here's my issue though with the Cardinals. I really
Speaker 1: don't see I actually think that Carson Palmer has been
Speaker 1: enjoyable to watch this season. You talked about Larry Fitzgerald.
Speaker 1: He is not gonna last this season with the way
Speaker 1: he's getting hit. That game against the Niners, and this
Speaker 1: is what I was talking to before the Niners. Yet
Speaker 1: they didn't win the game, and you people probably didn't
Speaker 1: even watch the thing they battered him. They have so
Speaker 1: many issues along their offensive line. That's the wrong quarterback
Speaker 1: to be sitting back there. He is as immobile as
Speaker 1: anyone else out there. To The Cardinals will be to
Speaker 1: watch if they lose Palmer and David Johnson. They're they're
Speaker 1: a bad two and two. They're very lucky to be
Speaker 1: two and two. I think they're probably one of the
Speaker 1: worst five or six teams in the league right now.
Speaker 1: And then they're going up against a guy and Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz that I'm a little surprised, and maybe it's just
Speaker 1: they haven't been in national games that he doesn't get
Speaker 1: a little more love from the average fan. Not that
Speaker 1: he's there yet as some great quarterback. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna get there. They need to have that
Speaker 1: big moment. When that people were like, that's what we
Speaker 1: remember about Carson, because I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: get there. He's a little slow in the decision making accuracy.
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of a young Dante Culpepper
Speaker 1: or a young Cam or young Ben Roethlisberger. The just
Speaker 1: the athleticism in the place he makes. He's just so
Speaker 1: much fun to watch, and I think this is a
Speaker 1: matchup where he's going to be especially fun to watch
Speaker 1: at home. They're getting a little momentum. You got the tackles.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are week Timmy Journ again blowing up the spot.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm locking it up. Snuck up on
Speaker 1: me there like it. I like you he was. He
Speaker 1: was heating up. You need a big lock up, Greg.
Speaker 1: You're struggling badly this year. UM one and three. I believe,
Speaker 1: So this is I feel like this safe I went.
Speaker 1: I think I've gotten I've gotten underdogs four straight weeks,
Speaker 1: and so that's that hasn't worked. Eagles win this by
Speaker 1: ten plus. And let's keep an eye on the Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: He he was even better through four games in his
Speaker 1: rookie year and then the wheels kind of came up
Speaker 1: from the Eagles who lost eight of their last twelve
Speaker 1: and and went struggled. But we'll see this is will
Speaker 1: he make those gains and go to the next level.
Speaker 1: This is a better offense around him, it's more balanced,
Speaker 1: it's got it's built to last. He's doing less. They're
Speaker 1: asking him to do less, which is a good thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: moving on the Jacksonville's Yeah, you ares are two and
Speaker 1: to after I mean, did you guys watch that Jets game. Yes,
Speaker 1: Jaguars had no business losing that game once they McCown
Speaker 1: had a couple of turnovers. The game was basically handed
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville on a platter. But again, no one's you know,
Speaker 1: I pick on the Titans, but um, the Jaguars are
Speaker 1: are even worse. Like, you can't be taken seriously as
Speaker 1: a team until you find out a way to win
Speaker 1: those type of games, and they did not. So now
Speaker 1: they're two and two, and now they got the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Uh they're on the road against the Steelers and uh, Greg,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Mark, you have a Steelers team that looked
Speaker 1: like they might have been getting on track against Baltimore
Speaker 1: last week on the road I feel like maybe that
Speaker 1: explosion on offense is coming. I think it is because
Speaker 1: Levi on Bell looked great for moments of that Baltimore game.
Speaker 1: And I really love Pittsburgh's defense. We've talked about them before,
Speaker 1: but again, you were playing Flacco and a Ravens offense.
Speaker 1: That's a tough It's not exactly hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: measure what you are if you're thriving against them. But
Speaker 1: Ryan Schiziar is having an incredible season. You know, West
Speaker 1: and I were tweeting just about this guy Mike Hilton
Speaker 1: who picked off Flacco as well off a tip pass.
Speaker 1: They had to have so much athleticism on that defense
Speaker 1: that I think that they everyone talks about Jacksonville's defense Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I think it's the way he's got a better situation
Speaker 1: going on. I like the James Conner that they're able
Speaker 1: to spell Levy on Bell with James Connery has looked
Speaker 1: actually pretty good, and it's just about I think the
Speaker 1: passing game is the thing that we're still waiting for
Speaker 1: the top to come off with Big Ben in the past,
Speaker 1: he keeps missing, he keeps missing deep. But they're kind
Speaker 1: of back to their late season offense, which was just
Speaker 1: run it through Levy on Bell and they are more bounced.
Speaker 1: It's a little tough to get a field. They are
Speaker 1: dominating teams, but you tweeted about it yesterday. They haven't
Speaker 1: played a quarterback. That's remote. I mean, if the Patriots
Speaker 1: had played this group of Tomato cans, their defense would
Speaker 1: not be the worst in the league. That the Steelers
Speaker 1: have not played anyone. But hey, guess what, it's continuing
Speaker 1: this week, so they should be fine on the Steelers
Speaker 1: side as well. With specifically they're passing game, because I
Speaker 1: think nobody was really worried about Levy on Bell even
Speaker 1: though he wasn't having Levy on Bell games, and then
Speaker 1: he had one last week. Roethlisberger's issues going down field,
Speaker 1: so you addressed it. They're greg four of twenty, no touchdowns,
Speaker 1: one interception, thirty four point two pass rating U passes
Speaker 1: of twenty plus air yards this season, according to NFL research.
Speaker 1: Uh that same metric. Last year, those same uh you
Speaker 1: know details, he had fourteen touchdowns and a one thirteen
Speaker 1: point four passer rating. So we'll see there have been
Speaker 1: drops there. It's not all on him. It's not like
Speaker 1: they're that's getting to my point. So it's either it's
Speaker 1: either an issue of um bad luck, um of rust
Speaker 1: with Martavis Bryan, who's their primary deep band uh, or
Speaker 1: it could be a small sample size and it's like
Speaker 1: just let's wait this at a little bit. Or it
Speaker 1: could be the other thing, which is Big Ben's getting old.
Speaker 1: It's not the same guy. Nam. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: played as well since the start of last season then
Speaker 1: I'm used to, so maybe that's gonna change back. But
Speaker 1: I think that it's been a fairly long sample size
Speaker 1: and they're starting to play to it, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: They ran the ball on third and eight in a
Speaker 1: key spot last week, which I really was surprised to
Speaker 1: see the Steelers do that, and I think it's because
Speaker 1: they trust their defense now. I mean, Cameron Award to me,
Speaker 1: has been one of the best defenders in the league,
Speaker 1: and they trust Levy on Bell and uh. That's that's
Speaker 1: like with how they're built old school Steelers and what
Speaker 1: Greg mentioned, Deshaun Kaiser, case Keenum, Mike Lennon, Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: who's not Joe Flacco of old, and Blake Bortles. That's
Speaker 1: the first five quarters they have totally dominated and that's
Speaker 1: what you need to as fans like you can't judge
Speaker 1: the schedule. I'm not. I'm just saying you have not
Speaker 1: faced a murderers row of something and Jaguars, if you
Speaker 1: want to show us something, go go show it this week.
Speaker 1: I've heard some Jaguars fans saying like we've got a
Speaker 1: top five defense and we're waiting, like Jalen Ramsey, I,
Speaker 1: if I'm a Jaguars fan, I'm very worried about a
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles blood bath. Good past defense, you're probably I
Speaker 1: mean Bordles has had a couple of moments, of course,
Speaker 1: the one game in London, which I'm gonna mark down
Speaker 1: as an outlier. This guy, when he misses passes, I've
Speaker 1: never seen a guy who's incomplete passes are more errant
Speaker 1: than Blake Bortles. He's a special kind of bad and
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come out big time at hines Field.
Speaker 1: Speaking of a special kind of bad, I do want
Speaker 1: to correct since you, since you called me out for it,
Speaker 1: Loose Cannon Web the Giant, the predictions were incorrect. You
Speaker 1: know that I named the wrong people. Ike Taylor, former Steeler,
Speaker 1: he had the Giants in the Super Bowl and Maurice
Speaker 1: Jones Drew also had the Giants in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So those are two man those know mind Barry and
Speaker 1: the two of them will appreciate you, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: cycling back to call them out on a podcast that
Speaker 1: has listened to in about thirty eight countries. Moving on
Speaker 1: more than that, we're in like Turks and Caicos were everywhere.
Speaker 1: Eight felt felt pretty good, though I think it's closer
Speaker 1: to thirty nine. How many countries now, I mean, at
Speaker 1: least for having a down at some point. If you
Speaker 1: scroll through those lists, it goes on forever. I think
Speaker 1: it's over. It's in the hundreds one million countries strong
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast. How about that? I don't know
Speaker 1: if there were hundreds of countries speaking. I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: this up while you can go, Yeah, Google, how many
Speaker 1: funny to hear you guys talk about countries? All right?
Speaker 1: You know what? All right, here's the here's we're openly
Speaker 1: academically dumb. We we've always maintained that we're not. There's
Speaker 1: no pride. There hundred and nine countries. So I was right,
Speaker 1: they're not hundreds and hundreds. There's a hundred I think
Speaker 1: we've been heard in over a hundred territories. How much
Speaker 1: time do we have left on the show. Enough enough,
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk the Seahawks at the Rams. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks seem to get healthy against the Colts in primetime,
Speaker 1: as we all expected them to. It just took them,
Speaker 1: uh two quarters to get the engine ravving. But when
Speaker 1: it did, it was at eighteen laugher. And now they
Speaker 1: faced the team that's been the biggest surprise in the
Speaker 1: league this year. I think the Rams the they are
Speaker 1: the team of a t L. And if some people
Speaker 1: talk about they used to say the s I curse,
Speaker 1: and then they said the Madden curse, and that all
Speaker 1: feels past it now Now I think the real buzzy
Speaker 1: thing is the team of a t L curse. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna see right away here, Greg, if the Rams
Speaker 1: could handle the pressure of being the team of a
Speaker 1: t that's a that's a silly theory because the first
Speaker 1: team of a t L had a terrific season, the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. You could cite those things with the Madden
Speaker 1: curse in the S but that's like the first example
Speaker 1: of it. So teams started five and oh and then
Speaker 1: literally had a nuclear pa since that first season not
Speaker 1: as great. You know, the Cardinals were rolling along till
Speaker 1: that old torn a c l by Carson Paul Marks
Speaker 1: not either. The two thousand six Vikings had a nuclear
Speaker 1: bomb dropped on their facility just minutes after we anoint them.
Speaker 1: That was that was problematic, as is this matchup buried
Speaker 1: in the news a little bit A little bit. First, see,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't just look at this Rams team
Speaker 1: and think they're a juggernaut. Each one of these games
Speaker 1: have been tight, and this is a tough matchup, and
Speaker 1: it's the one matchup the one coach in the NFL
Speaker 1: that is thrilled to see Sean McVeigh on the other
Speaker 1: sideline instead of Jeff Fisher. Pete Carroll couldn't beat Jeff
Speaker 1: Fisher for three straight years, five out of six times
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher took out Pete Carroll in the Seahawks. So
Speaker 1: this is a matchup. Obviously, these teams are totally different,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's a big NFC West game,
Speaker 1: and if the Rams can win it, it's like you
Speaker 1: get some separation. I think Seattle comes down here knowing
Speaker 1: that knowing this is a big game that they want
Speaker 1: to stay right there and not dig a big hole
Speaker 1: in the division. Well, we just did our NFL network
Speaker 1: here where we talked about two and two teams that
Speaker 1: we are on board with that we trust to bounce
Speaker 1: back and keep going. And I picked Seattle. But if
Speaker 1: you lose to this game, I don't know what you
Speaker 1: hang your head on if you're the Seahawks, because this
Speaker 1: is the if you're going to, you know, go onto
Speaker 1: the playoffs, you need to take care of this thing.
Speaker 1: And I look at the Rams front seven in there
Speaker 1: and there, I think it's starting to come around under
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips. I don't think that there's some players who
Speaker 1: were not maybe the most natural fit for his three four.
Speaker 1: But how about lay All Collins getting dominated last week,
Speaker 1: Michael Brocker's making plays, Rocks ogl Tree starting to make
Speaker 1: plays from that inside linebacker position. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if they can If they can take what they did
Speaker 1: in the second half against Dallas defensively and translated against
Speaker 1: a terrible offensive line with Seattle, this could be an
Speaker 1: interesting matchup for the Rams. Let's pick this game. I
Speaker 1: need to see a little something out of Robert Quinn.
Speaker 1: Have been I've been was expecting a lot this year.
Speaker 1: This is this is a week to do it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to pick the Rams at home. I just think
Speaker 1: I don't feel like before the show, I was like Erica,
Speaker 1: what we want to do with that shortened team of
Speaker 1: a t L drop. We want to kind of sprinkle
Speaker 1: it in once or twice a week, maybe once a show,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't have to be We've been like Erica,
Speaker 1: Erica who is clearly we are having ill chemistry with
Speaker 1: her today based on stuff that may not be our fault.
Speaker 1: We're not Cam Newton America. He has gone totally guerilla
Speaker 1: warfare on us. I am going Rams. I'll tell you why,
Speaker 1: because I think Todd Durley looks the best running back
Speaker 1: in the NFC right now as not just a runner,
Speaker 1: but as a receiver. Teams can now do not just
Speaker 1: sit there and wait for Jeff Fisher to have the
Speaker 1: ball handed off to Girly three times in a row.
Speaker 1: You have to deal with the passing game. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of new elements here, and Gurley has been fascinating
Speaker 1: to watch. Rams are a game plan. It's catchy. It's
Speaker 1: now like Carrie Underwa. Yeah, it's kind of bits stealing,
Speaker 1: though it's now carry under it. This is the team.
Speaker 1: I'm impressed how they can be a game plan team
Speaker 1: that changes things up so much from week to week
Speaker 1: when it's such a new team. But last week they
Speaker 1: really use tempo in an effective way, like speeding up,
Speaker 1: slowing down, speeding up, slowing down. One week they'll go
Speaker 1: to their wide receivers. The other week, everything's up the
Speaker 1: middle to their two young tight ends and Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're gonna get with this, Ramsey,
Speaker 1: what a coaching you can run on the Seahawks team.
Speaker 1: I have a I have a bit of a sessler
Speaker 1: that this means they'll being correct by the way the
Speaker 1: Legion of Boom was gonna show game and Jared Goss
Speaker 1: gonna come down into earth a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the point of having a team of a t
Speaker 1: L if you don't believe in them and just don't
Speaker 1: mean that you think they're to go fifteen and one.
Speaker 1: I think it could be a bump of the road.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it doesn't mean that they're shot. I guess
Speaker 1: I figure, we don't know what's gonna happen, so you
Speaker 1: might as well just pick them. I'll do what I want,
Speaker 1: You do what you want. That's how the world works,
Speaker 1: So how America works. That's what makes us the best
Speaker 1: damn country in the world. Moving on, the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: travel to Oakland to face the Raiders. The Raiders will
Speaker 1: not have Derek Carr, of course, who has a transverse
Speaker 1: fracture of his lower back, which is going to sideline
Speaker 1: them for a couple of weeks, at least one week.
Speaker 1: So a huge break for the Ravens, who, uh now
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out how to get their season
Speaker 1: back back on track. It's not gonna be easy in Oakland, Mark,
Speaker 1: but having a chance to face a Raiders team, uh
Speaker 1: that is vulnerable without their number one quarterback, This should
Speaker 1: be a game they should hang in and possibly take out. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You take the Browns out of the
Speaker 1: equation and these might be over the last two weeks
Speaker 1: the two worst offenses in the NFL with Derek Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? What? The first two weeks? That's from
Speaker 1: saying the last two weeks they can't run the ball.
Speaker 1: Your star receivers have barely one literally was hurt. So
Speaker 1: I get that Amari Cooper drops all over the place
Speaker 1: in Dan's parlor. Actually's off the reservation, going to drug
Speaker 1: test you soon. That's coming soon. In my parlance, I
Speaker 1: really like that that came in there, correct, But I
Speaker 1: mean maybe the Ravens. We gotta say to us, come
Speaker 1: back to us, Amari Cooper, you're the last ranked wide
Speaker 1: receiver in Pro Football focus. You have a miscommunication or
Speaker 1: a drop every week. What's going on? It's a great
Speaker 1: come back to us. We're getting EJ. Manuel and Joe
Speaker 1: Flacco who looks like one eighth of Joe Joe flat
Speaker 1: what's going on with Joe Flacco? Not healthy? One eighth
Speaker 1: of the Joe Flacco that we've seen when he had
Speaker 1: that amazing January run. The twelve and a half percent
Speaker 1: of Joe flac That's what we're getting right now. They
Speaker 1: have zero downfield passaga and the only thing they have
Speaker 1: that I see on offense is Alex Collins, which they
Speaker 1: you know, they picked up off the street. Are you
Speaker 1: are you calling him a fluco? Are you pretty fluco?
Speaker 1: At this point, e J Man, everybody's excited about e J. Manuel.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, all corners on Twitter, all the
Speaker 1: white Knights out there. Oh e J. Manual, he's a
Speaker 1: great backup. This guy is there. They're in great position.
Speaker 1: It's out there in the ether the football center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not the Cognis Center. He came in and he
Speaker 1: moved the ball better than Oh, yeah, it's you. You
Speaker 1: were going nuts on Sunday about EJ. Man was like,
Speaker 1: why won't they let EJ Manuel live? But horrible sub tweet? No,
Speaker 1: I was forgetting it. But it was Greg you were
Speaker 1: excited about, wasn't it wasn't I said he played well
Speaker 1: for a quarter. I certainly wouldn't. Do you want me
Speaker 1: to call it? Twitter? Find the tweet? Well, now you
Speaker 1: have a week to prepare. Yeah, that's true. I said
Speaker 1: he was doing legendary things and his receiver. Don't you
Speaker 1: think that was true? This Ravens defense, I know what
Speaker 1: but in England, but this is this is not a
Speaker 1: bad defense. I think it's just that they're having They're
Speaker 1: on the field way too much. But they're on the
Speaker 1: field because they can't get off the field. Like the
Speaker 1: Ravens offense has been bad, but get off the field.
Speaker 1: Ravens defense in the first half of the game. The
Speaker 1: Steelers started last week with a ten ten minute drive
Speaker 1: that had ten or eleven runs like this is not
Speaker 1: a tough Ravens defense. The Steelers pushed them around. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars pushed them around. There's not a lot of pass rush,
Speaker 1: not enough juice, show me something. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: This is Fox game, so I think you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a little Joe and Troy in the evening. Packers at Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Love this matchup, um um. One of my favorite rivalries.
Speaker 1: And uh guess what rematch up? A playoff game from
Speaker 1: last year the best playoff game. I didn't think Super
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty one was the best playoff game. I thought
Speaker 1: it was Packers beating the Cowboys in Big Day. It's
Speaker 1: very really, that's very hipster of you point come back
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Yeah, alright, passed, this was the game.
Speaker 1: But anyway, now we get a chance to see how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys react here Greg, because they let one get
Speaker 1: away last week. They did, and you could say that
Speaker 1: they let one get away last season. Dak Prescott before
Speaker 1: Tom Brady ever did it, had an incredible fourth quarter
Speaker 1: comeback to put this team back in position. It really
Speaker 1: put it over the top with me in terms of
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, the way he handled that this year hasn't
Speaker 1: been as easy for him, and that's partly because of
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant there. They really can't stretch the field does
Speaker 1: Bryant sixteen catches on forty targets. And this is the
Speaker 1: reason the Packers drafted Kevin King was because des dragged
Speaker 1: the Packers secondary up and down the field in that
Speaker 1: playoff game. I kind of can't see Dez doing that.
Speaker 1: Prove me wrong. Maybe maybe he can do it. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, for me, it starts that every
Speaker 1: week this season. I don't see the same offensive line
Speaker 1: from last year. Doc is getting pressured. I think the
Speaker 1: run game is not as automatic as it was. Although
Speaker 1: I do think that Zeke Elliott is running as well
Speaker 1: as we've seen all season. Last week he looked good.
Speaker 1: It's just that you can't grind out these ten minute
Speaker 1: drives with this offense. Right. I think the Cowboys aren't
Speaker 1: there yet. I think they might be getting there. It
Speaker 1: might take some time, but I think they're getting the
Speaker 1: Packers at the right time. Here. Davante Adams, who got
Speaker 1: just drilled by Danny Trevathan leading to that suspension. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was taping this on Thursday afternoon. Limited in practice.
Speaker 1: He might play, but also do not consider a surprised
Speaker 1: if you don't see him. And then time Montgomery that's
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. So he's there starting running back.
Speaker 1: He has multiple rib fractured ribs, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's practicing, we might see him. Yeah, you're gonna actually
Speaker 1: take hits as a running back with maybe you know
Speaker 1: the one you got. You mentioned Sean Lee. He did
Speaker 1: not practice on Thursday. His defense is totally different without
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee and the Packers, it sounds at this point
Speaker 1: are gonna get back, or at least they're optimistic. Brian
Speaker 1: Bulaga and David Baktiari there are two great tackles. I
Speaker 1: loved what I saw out of Rogers last week. It
Speaker 1: is a very mature game, kind of letting the game
Speaker 1: come to him, that he's not trying to do too
Speaker 1: much in with less people around me. I think he
Speaker 1: played really fantastic. I want to see if that's that's
Speaker 1: a way to keep get going like and just outsmart
Speaker 1: other teams like Cowboys. I liked how you put it
Speaker 1: Greg in your QB index that it was almost like
Speaker 1: you didn't put this, but all kind of what your
Speaker 1: sentiment was. It was like a Porsche type version of
Speaker 1: a game Manager game by Aaron Rodgers, or like a
Speaker 1: Ferrari game Round Manager or whatever. Is a fancy car.
Speaker 1: I'm not a car guy. I can get under a
Speaker 1: hood and pop a couple of lug nuts lug nuts
Speaker 1: and to get some things fixedly and then send it
Speaker 1: back on the road. You need an all change, I'll
Speaker 1: take care of that. Pop the hood, get me under there,
Speaker 1: get me under the old muffler. I can do that too,
Speaker 1: But you don't have like Carl. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes you know Rogers, he's he gets he's tries to
Speaker 1: be a little too fancy. This time he's got two
Speaker 1: hands on the wheel. And then every once in a
Speaker 1: while and he really needs to rev it up. He
Speaker 1: does tending to the ref al right, Mark, So I
Speaker 1: know you use uh a automatic transmission, manual transmission. You
Speaker 1: could rev it bang bang it and then you could
Speaker 1: really take off in your car. And those four wheels.
Speaker 1: Every car's got four wheels. I mean, I'll say this,
Speaker 1: if you're not a car guy, I don't know what
Speaker 1: category that puts me. A car girl. I'm not going
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call myself a car girl. I'm
Speaker 1: a car I'm a car person. I'm not a car person.
Speaker 1: I'm taking no possession over in. I spell woman with
Speaker 1: a Y by the way, that's Erica knows I'm on
Speaker 1: her side. Are you Are you into cars, Erica? No,
Speaker 1: this is not a group of car people. West West
Speaker 1: didn't even have West West West. At one point one
Speaker 1: point he had people coming up. He was trying to
Speaker 1: sell his car. He gave his car away like two bucks. Well,
Speaker 1: he gave it to him and said, yeah, pay me
Speaker 1: when I get back. Never like again. When that was
Speaker 1: like yeah, old Irish we called it. It was like
Speaker 1: a nineteen thirty seven Toyota camera but us in the seat.
Speaker 1: Uh No. Like West, I think he had been on
Speaker 1: the island too long because he got to l A
Speaker 1: and he had this this piece of car, and then
Speaker 1: the um he found a man that would take the
Speaker 1: car off his hands, and yeah, he said, oh can
Speaker 1: you okay, can you get like some money for it?
Speaker 1: And the guys like I think the guy offered West
Speaker 1: money and was like, I'm going home, hit me up
Speaker 1: when I get back. I just never heard from the
Speaker 1: guy again. Well, I mean, you know, a little hard
Speaker 1: knocks lesson there for the mail Mayo in retrospect, missus, yeah,
Speaker 1: go easy, and the poor guy, you're just burying him
Speaker 1: in a big and I'm kiddie, just one of my
Speaker 1: favorite West car was worth about U. Basically it was
Speaker 1: an it was an incident that cost him. Probably. Let's
Speaker 1: move on and talk about Sunday night football. The Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs four and oh uh and uh coming off
Speaker 1: of that on Monday night against the Redskins, now traveled
Speaker 1: to Houston and this is excellent, excellent games. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: Sunday night football scheduling gods works out perfectly, and it's
Speaker 1: like this is paying them back for Jacoby Bursett. Is
Speaker 1: you get Deshaun Watson at this place, You get him
Speaker 1: exactly when his star moment, when he's just kind of
Speaker 1: bursting into the national view. And this is a huge game,
Speaker 1: uh for the Texans to me because I we just
Speaker 1: talked about this on our NFL Network hit earlier today.
Speaker 1: I am of the opinion that the Texans all they've
Speaker 1: ever been looking for, They've had all these other pieces,
Speaker 1: and I like their head coach, they've always needed a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And it very much looks like now they have an
Speaker 1: answer at quarterback and a difference maker quarterback. If he
Speaker 1: comes out in primetime and Sunday night and whips up
Speaker 1: on a very good Chiefs defense ranks second in the
Speaker 1: league and making big plays every week, then you know
Speaker 1: you're for certain that there's something very special going on
Speaker 1: down in Houston. Absolutely, And who would have thought late
Speaker 1: August that we would be looking in Week five at
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterback matchups of the year between
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and Deshaun Watson. And you know what Alex
Speaker 1: Smith does belong in that in that in that claim,
Speaker 1: because what I saw him do on Monday night and
Speaker 1: you just said about it with a game manager type
Speaker 1: guy who does something much more. Whatever the car reference was,
Speaker 1: I you lost me with all the cars Ferrari, but
Speaker 1: al manager with a couple of extra little Polex Smith
Speaker 1: was was that and more on Monday night. He really was.
Speaker 1: And he and this is another guy that has so
Speaker 1: many parts around him and with the Texans. This is
Speaker 1: the first time with Bill O'Brien Week one, seven points,
Speaker 1: week to thirteen, and that's when we started. Then the
Speaker 1: then the switch fortson Al was Watson. But then but
Speaker 1: then the jump thirty three points the next week fifty seven.
Speaker 1: You always had to plan around the quarterback when you
Speaker 1: were Bill O'Brien. Terrible quarterback play, How do you mask
Speaker 1: it with the defense and whatever you can get out
Speaker 1: to Andre Hopkins and fill in the blank signal caller.
Speaker 1: Now teams have to look at de Shaun Watson and say,
Speaker 1: how do we deal with that? And everything else to
Speaker 1: bring it? Well, teams are gonna start to adjust. I
Speaker 1: don't think it will necessarily happen this week. They'll come
Speaker 1: up with ways to to bug Watson. But the thing
Speaker 1: that I love watching them is he helps their running
Speaker 1: game so much. And maybe O'Brien underrated that when he
Speaker 1: chose Tom Savage as the week one starter. Not just
Speaker 1: Watson's ability to run, but the threat of him running
Speaker 1: and how they're using him in play action and an
Speaker 1: option routes. And suddenly this Texans offense doesn't look so thin,
Speaker 1: Like suddenly the offensive line looks okay with when Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's out there. Now Will Fuller's back, I thought he
Speaker 1: was a big addition last week. I thought he looked
Speaker 1: better last week than he really did during his rookie season.
Speaker 1: Suddenly you get Dante Foreman in the mix along with
Speaker 1: Lamar Miller. It's like you got some pieces here. It's
Speaker 1: not just one guy. Will be a great challenge with
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters on the in the secondary for Kansas City,
Speaker 1: this is this will be I'm finally thankfully we're getting
Speaker 1: a primetime game that I really get rid of. Houston's
Speaker 1: performance against Tennessee. They scored five straight times to start
Speaker 1: the game. And it's funny because when Watson first entered
Speaker 1: the Fray way back in week two. Now he looked
Speaker 1: very much like a rookie and they still won the game.
Speaker 1: But he did you could tell he was not comfortable
Speaker 1: because of him too. But yeah, he made a big
Speaker 1: play at the end of the game. But the difference
Speaker 1: between him three weeks ago and now, the guy looked
Speaker 1: like he was in total control. Uh. And it's just
Speaker 1: I think it's something special that we're watching. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the first half. The most impressive drive for me was
Speaker 1: right after halftime. He did one of those game manager
Speaker 1: take what the defense gives you. They basically decided after
Speaker 1: he ripped them to shreds in the first half, let's
Speaker 1: back off let's make this rookie work his way down
Speaker 1: the field. See if he makes a mistake, keep everything
Speaker 1: in front of us. And you know what he did.
Speaker 1: He just patiently, kind of calmly looked through his receivers,
Speaker 1: did eleven play, twelve play drive got the touchdown that
Speaker 1: way too, And I was just like, Wow, this kid,
Speaker 1: he's mature. He's comfortable in the pocket. He sells um
Speaker 1: you know different, He's able to sell the handoffs and
Speaker 1: the and the flips that Lamar Miller touchdown. He just
Speaker 1: looks so comfortable as a pro quarterback. So who you
Speaker 1: guys got in this game bout? I'm gonna take the
Speaker 1: Texans at home. I feel like the Chiefs are just
Speaker 1: due for a loss. I'm gonna go Chiefs. But I
Speaker 1: that's not a knock on the Houston Texans. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really really good game. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: Houston in that all right. Lastly, Minnesota and Chicago Monday
Speaker 1: night football, and this one wasn't shaping up too hot.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, um a week ago. But now we're
Speaker 1: gonna get Mitch Robinsky, Greg Rosenthal making his NFL debut,
Speaker 1: Michael Lenon to the bench for the Bears, which adds
Speaker 1: a lot of intrigue to this game. Uh your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Going back to to his preseason and watched a little
Speaker 1: of it again, checked out what I wrote and and
Speaker 1: it was a lot of what I just said about
Speaker 1: the Shawn Watson that he see. Trabinsky looks so comfortable
Speaker 1: in the game. He had a natural rhythm, like an
Speaker 1: anticipation like Jake Cutler. You still don't see him anticipate routes.
Speaker 1: Trabinsky was throwing it before guys made their rake like.
Speaker 1: He just looked like he was made to play football
Speaker 1: and so accurate moves well should help the running game.
Speaker 1: It got me wondering, like, actually, we should stop having
Speaker 1: opinions on things in the NFL draft. What why do
Speaker 1: I know about Mr robisk I still don't know. But
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be slamming them for giving up a lot
Speaker 1: to trade up for number two, because if he's a
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, they haven't really had one and forty years.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just you, it was everyone really had fun
Speaker 1: at the Bears expense of that pick. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because because of Glennon and they weren't planning for
Speaker 1: that all to happen in order they would obviously take back,
Speaker 1: partly because Glennon, but also everybody basically saying, oh, what
Speaker 1: a reach and all. This's like nobody knows and we're
Speaker 1: not even gonna start to find out until Monday, which
Speaker 1: is like six months later. So whatever, everybody. To Greg's point,
Speaker 1: it's been four thousand, few hundred and nine days on
Speaker 1: Monday nights since the Bears started a rookie quarterback who
Speaker 1: was Kyle Orton way back in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: They don't draft quarterbacks, they don't really develop guys. They've
Speaker 1: always done this sort of signed the Mike Glennon type
Speaker 1: figure over and over. And if you talk to Bears
Speaker 1: fans down on our newsroom, you know the Adam Rank
Speaker 1: for instance, they're a bunch. But Adam Rank has his
Speaker 1: top five Bears quarterback was good for that team, by
Speaker 1: the way, he was okay, But he doesn't even go
Speaker 1: to five. It only goes to three. And Robinsky is
Speaker 1: already on the list, if I'm not mistaken. So at
Speaker 1: least this turns what would have been a horrible It's
Speaker 1: depressing when Monday night football has a crap matchup and
Speaker 1: you can you can try to shine it up and
Speaker 1: say it's great, Look at me, I'm a league guy.
Speaker 1: But like, no, honestly, some of these games, what is
Speaker 1: the subtweeting going on here? Look at me, I'm a
Speaker 1: league guy. Shign it up, I'm great. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what our entire network must do, is act like that
Speaker 1: toward it is not towards Greg. If you're gonna say it,
Speaker 1: to say it, I don't think you would have liked
Speaker 1: what do you like this game? If Mike Glennon were starting.
Speaker 1: I'm also like Lennon made it unwatchable. Now it's exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping who has played really well? I thought he
Speaker 1: played really well against I don't know if he played
Speaker 1: it was really well against the line I I do?
Speaker 1: I think well I three drives ended with there was
Speaker 1: from his teammates and other a couple others did Was
Speaker 1: he not totally out of sink down the stretch on
Speaker 1: the right tackle let him down to I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: at the end of that game, it didn't even give
Speaker 1: him a chance and he took that second third and
Speaker 1: a quarterback plane really well in the NFL. That's not
Speaker 1: what I saw in the fourth quarter against the Alliance,
Speaker 1: but you did fun. I guess my point is he's
Speaker 1: been played well, but we still need a little Sammy
Speaker 1: Sammy Brad. I think it sounds like he might be back.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll be back. I guess it did. We
Speaker 1: were doing our pick Hum segment. We were shooting it
Speaker 1: at the cornhole boards yesterday and Greg was getting all
Speaker 1: excited about cas keen him on the road in primetime,
Speaker 1: and I was just shocked to hear it. But I
Speaker 1: think he's played well, and I give credit to Pat
Speaker 1: Sherman and not a guy who's gotten a lot of
Speaker 1: love on this podcast, because guys are open. He's throwing
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. I really did think it
Speaker 1: was his teammates all around that let let him down.
Speaker 1: Three fumbles, a couple of drops, right tackle, all that,
Speaker 1: and their defense is playing really well. This is not
Speaker 1: an easy matchup for Trabiscuit. A secondary is a tough matchup.
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin's playing fantastic for Minnesota. All right, So there
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