Speaker 1: Newton rance left side makes a topup of ten. Newton
Speaker 1: takes it all the way, touts down Carolina Wins in
Speaker 1: the pocket, Wents gross and strike Nelson Hagoover the catch
Speaker 1: a dollar is gone, cuts down, Wins is the real deal.
Speaker 1: Newton steps up, looks her pass intercepted. Jaylen Mills with
Speaker 1: the pitch meals will go down if a sixteen cham
Speaker 1: Newton gives it away in a critical moment, Goanna trying
Speaker 1: to check the drivel on on a fourth and one
Speaker 1: from the forty eight chuck up. Newty throws over the middle.
Speaker 1: It's hauled him by McCaffrey. The Eagles claim it's incomplete,
Speaker 1: and the officials agreed. The Philadelphia Eagles got two big
Speaker 1: stops late in the fourth quarter, and Carson Wentz was
Speaker 1: at it again, throwing three touchdown passes as the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Eagles went into Charlotte and came out with the three
Speaker 1: win over the Carolina Anthers, further entrenching the Eagles atop
Speaker 1: the NFC East End, atop the mind of Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: Dan Hans is here around the NFL podcast. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get to the rest of the boys in a few minutes,
Speaker 1: but let's start with this game. Greg, you have been
Speaker 1: uh in on the Eagles going back to the summer.
Speaker 1: You you believe that they had a chance to put
Speaker 1: it all together, and tonight really showed that this team
Speaker 1: might really have the stuff. Yeah. Really, going back to
Speaker 1: about two thousand and twelve when we started the podcast,
Speaker 1: finally this season it's coming through and there there's so
Speaker 1: many places to go with this game. I feel like
Speaker 1: it was really interesting, two good teams, a lot going on,
Speaker 1: but I think the defining factor was the Eagles defensive line.
Speaker 1: In the Eagles defense in general was the best group
Speaker 1: in this game. I just looked on Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 1: They say they hurried Cam Newton twenty five times. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a number that ten. Ten quarterback hits ten passes.
Speaker 1: Defense too, so they're getting their hands on the all
Speaker 1: just very active. They were on the field for almost
Speaker 1: eighty plays, asked to make a lot of stops in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. And whether it's Brandon Graham or Nigel
Speaker 1: Bradham who had a huge night, Letcher Cox who really
Speaker 1: forced one of those interceptions, they were stopping the run cold,
Speaker 1: or the Panthers that to me, it was kind of
Speaker 1: the group that stood out the most and was the difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I absolutely agree. Fletcher Cox went from being a
Speaker 1: guy you didn't know he's gonna play before the game
Speaker 1: to doing his Fletcher Cox thing, which is pushing the
Speaker 1: pocket and making plays. Cam Newton never got comfortable and
Speaker 1: very tough situation for Cam who this At certain points
Speaker 1: of the game he was again reminding you of two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen Cam. At other points he was reminding you
Speaker 1: with the worst parts of Cam. I thought he was
Speaker 1: a little careless with the football today. He ended up
Speaker 1: with three interceptions. Really what one of them definitely wasn't
Speaker 1: his fault. Uh. His running back did not help him out,
Speaker 1: but he was sloppy. Could have easily thrown a couple
Speaker 1: of couple of more picks. And he was the running
Speaker 1: game too. Because the Panthers, Uh, it's a problem. I
Speaker 1: have a major issue in the back of the day. Obviously,
Speaker 1: don't trust Christian McCafferty. McCaffrey at this point to be
Speaker 1: somebody that's running between tackles. James Stewart's not getting the
Speaker 1: job done. What do they do back there? It I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean they need to figure it out,
Speaker 1: because what did they have zero yards from their running
Speaker 1: backs last week, and I think they had one yard
Speaker 1: this week. That's a problem. They're they are literally they're
Speaker 1: literally negative, I believe over the last two weeks. So
Speaker 1: that that's a huge problem for them. And Cam was
Speaker 1: very erratic in this game, had some great moments, but
Speaker 1: also made some poor decisions. The way they ended that
Speaker 1: first half was bad. He took a bad sack, and
Speaker 1: then Ron Rivera decided not to kick a field goal,
Speaker 1: and then the last two drives of the game, he
Speaker 1: had two chances to win and the first one ends
Speaker 1: in an interception that had two ugly throws before that,
Speaker 1: and the second one ends on a on a fourth
Speaker 1: and one bad throw. It was a disappointing ending for
Speaker 1: Camp for what's been you know, we had been talking
Speaker 1: about that he's been on fire, and really the Eagles
Speaker 1: have stopped that. So he came down to earth a
Speaker 1: little bit here after being scorching hot the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. The other big uh concern if you're Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers or their fans is Luke kick Ley, the linebacker,
Speaker 1: who of course has had concussion issues. Now he has
Speaker 1: another one he was diagnosed with, so that's three and
Speaker 1: three years. The last one that also happened in primetime
Speaker 1: last year, was very scary, with him crying as he
Speaker 1: was getting cart off. Nothing quite dramatic that dramatic this time.
Speaker 1: But this is a brain injury and you don't know
Speaker 1: how much time he could miss, if any. So that's
Speaker 1: another layer of consternation for the Carolina Panthers that hangs
Speaker 1: over this game. That's really the biggest story coming out
Speaker 1: of it, because this is a Hall of Fame caliber
Speaker 1: player who spoke openly in the off season, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting how he addressed the concussion issues
Speaker 1: that I think he's someone that's gonna think long and
Speaker 1: hard about his future after football if these keep piling up.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that that thought process starts now,
Speaker 1: who knows, It's too early to guess, but he he
Speaker 1: made some comments that that made it sound like he's
Speaker 1: not going to be the guy that keeps playing through ten.
Speaker 1: You know, a concussion year after year after year, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough time for keik Lee and the
Speaker 1: Panther That would be a shame. He's one of the
Speaker 1: very best players in the league. But you would absolutely
Speaker 1: understand it if he ends up going down the road.
Speaker 1: We don't want to jump to conclusions. But obviously a
Speaker 1: tough thing to see. And finally, my other big takeaway,
Speaker 1: and I reverenced it at the very top, but God,
Speaker 1: I like Carson Wentz. Yeah, he is a very very
Speaker 1: very good quarterback right now, and he's bordering on great
Speaker 1: and that if you're an Eagles fan, you've gotta be
Speaker 1: feeling good. How tough he is, the way he hangs
Speaker 1: in the pocket, steps up. I loved when he scrapped,
Speaker 1: although you don't like to see him take the shot
Speaker 1: to his throwing shoulder. He took on somebody. It was
Speaker 1: Mike Ednams. He was running them over. Adams was going backwards.
Speaker 1: If the reserves didn't come in, that guy was getting
Speaker 1: truckt It was gonna be on sports centered poster eyes.
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of There aren't a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that do that. It's almost it was it was
Speaker 1: far being like this guy just likes coming out on
Speaker 1: the playground and thrown around, just wre He's so fun,
Speaker 1: He's so funny. He is so fun to watch. Him
Speaker 1: and camer two of my very favorite players to watch,
Speaker 1: which is why I was so excited about this spetium
Speaker 1: and today Wentz was definitely the better of the two.
Speaker 1: And it was really one drive that that stood out,
Speaker 1: the touchdown drive in the second half, which started with
Speaker 1: a third and sixteen play, which I think showed a
Speaker 1: lot of what's great about went He the pressure was
Speaker 1: coming from the side, he stepped up and then he
Speaker 1: still waited until the last second, ended up taking a
Speaker 1: hit to deliver a nice pass over the middle, and
Speaker 1: it was a past that went right over the defensive
Speaker 1: lineman's head in front of him. And I was thinking,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees and Russell Wilson aren't making that throw because
Speaker 1: you gotta be six five. You gotta be a big
Speaker 1: guy and strong to make that throw. And he delivered
Speaker 1: it and then had a great rest of the drive
Speaker 1: to score a touchdown. So I know Eagles Nation, the
Speaker 1: you know, very passionate bunch. I've never won a Super Bowl, um,
Speaker 1: but you're feeling good right now. Connie Fox just was smelling, Ah,
Speaker 1: what was it? She Chief's Eagles super Bowl. Reached out
Speaker 1: her privately on text to see where she was on
Speaker 1: that she she seemed to be. It was ingested a
Speaker 1: little bit, But let's be honest, Eagles fans, they're all
Speaker 1: in on this team as they deserve to be. Uh. So,
Speaker 1: a very nice win for Philadelphia and we have more
Speaker 1: games to get to, so let's kick off the rest
Speaker 1: of the show. DA Around the NFL Podcast is four
Speaker 1: the Children. Welcome back to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I
Speaker 1: am joined by a room filled with heroes teaming even
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosehal what's up boys?
Speaker 1: Hey Dan, Hi, Hi West It's gonna be back? Yes?
Speaker 1: Is this the second show of the week for west progress.
Speaker 1: That's progress towards the goal of a full time Westling.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna be patient, knowing that one day it
Speaker 1: will come. But two shows, that's pretty saucy. I like it.
Speaker 1: In like five months, I'll be doing six team shows
Speaker 1: a week. You go. Um. Yes, this is the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast, uh presented by Head and Shoulders. This
Speaker 1: is our week six preview podcast. You just heard the
Speaker 1: first game of the week, of course, the Eagles and
Speaker 1: Panthers played in Charlotte, But a lot more to get to.
Speaker 1: Another another bye week for four teams Buffalo, Cincinnati, Dallas
Speaker 1: in Seattle all on by. But I think a good
Speaker 1: place to start before we get into the games is
Speaker 1: on one of those teams with a by the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: because one of their most important players once again his
Speaker 1: playing status in doubt. A federal appeals court lifted an
Speaker 1: injunction that had blocked Ezekiel Elliott six game suspension UH
Speaker 1: and that now paves the way for the NFL's punishment
Speaker 1: of the running back tied into the domestic violence allegations
Speaker 1: UH to go into effect, which means a six game
Speaker 1: band that could start UH greg as soon as UH
Speaker 1: the week after the Cowboys by in week seven. That's
Speaker 1: what it's expected to at this point. But the story
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott is not over. It feels like ever
Speaker 1: in terms of the legal situation, We meaning NFL Network,
Speaker 1: had Gabe Feldman, two late age legal analyst, and he
Speaker 1: said it's a party. He said, essentially there could be
Speaker 1: another legal maneuver that would hold off the suspension again,
Speaker 1: potentially even before the next game. So even though this
Speaker 1: this feels like big news and maybe it does stick
Speaker 1: this time, we don't know. We're not lawyers. My question
Speaker 1: even lawyers and anyone that's Oh, what about my fantasy team?
Speaker 1: Who is going to be the running back if this
Speaker 1: guy does disappear for six games, which is now very possible.
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, good luck figuring it out. Michael Fabiano tweeted, everybody,
Speaker 1: go pick up Alfred Morris, rushed to your waiver wire.
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that Alfred Morris will play over
Speaker 1: Darren McFadden. He's higher on the depth chart now, but
Speaker 1: in the past mcfaddon's always played keep it. It's been
Speaker 1: getting snaps throughout this process too. They could, they could
Speaker 1: split none of this, right, Why would there necessarily have
Speaker 1: to be a lead back in that situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: it can only be one and he will get all.
Speaker 1: That's news to me. I mean, if if it does stick,
Speaker 1: here's what happens. They don't have a zukule Elod for
Speaker 1: the fort A road game, the Redskins on the road
Speaker 1: at home against the Chiefs, at Atlanta at home against Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and the Chargers game the week after. And now let's
Speaker 1: let's take it back a little deeper and uh well, now,
Speaker 1: of course throw it to Mark Sessler. Zeke Elliot's legal recourse.
Speaker 1: What can he do. Specifically, what are some loopholes or
Speaker 1: some backdoors ways that he can get out of this?
Speaker 1: What is the next step for his camp? If I
Speaker 1: could answer that as Gabe Feldman potentially can, I would
Speaker 1: be adding a couple of zeros onto my Measley income.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough? Okay. It really highlights though that
Speaker 1: the fact they've started two and three with Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: It's only gonna get harder from here. They didn't if
Speaker 1: they are without him, I mean, they start to look
Speaker 1: a little more in real danger of missing the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That having that type of season, it's a disaster. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's face it. They he fought it because he believes
Speaker 1: that he was unjustly suspended, and you can't get on
Speaker 1: him about that. He's trying to use everything he can
Speaker 1: in his power to avoid the suspension. But from a
Speaker 1: pure team standpoint, when you lose three or first five games,
Speaker 1: if he disappears, now, yeah, what does he come back
Speaker 1: to if they continue to struggle. We'll have to foll
Speaker 1: find out and who knows, maybe he will play in
Speaker 1: two weeks. We don't know. Mark knows, but he's not
Speaker 1: given us anything. I need to be tapped for more
Speaker 1: cash to provide. Didn't work for a law firm once,
Speaker 1: didn't you? That is Chris Wesley, and I absolutely did
Speaker 1: not for nine years. I got my too. I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought, one why would a law firm hire me
Speaker 1: to do? What would I've ever done? One of your
Speaker 1: weird like one of your weird he did work in
Speaker 1: like n Younger. That's a proposal, waiter. That's not a
Speaker 1: law firm. What is that? It's a counting camera where
Speaker 1: you try to, you know, wrangle. I'd be on these
Speaker 1: phone calls with like eighty anchree likeuntain types telling me,
Speaker 1: you know, well, how to write some proposal. I don't know. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: by the way, yes, Mr Deloitte. Alright, and and that's
Speaker 1: close our breakdown of the Zeke Elliott case. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna start getting into these games now. Before
Speaker 1: we do that, I just want to say a formal hello. UM,
Speaker 1: if you have been tracking on Twitter, you knew that
Speaker 1: this was coming, but uh, we have a new full
Speaker 1: time producer behind the glass and uh, Erica Tamposti has
Speaker 1: done a tremendous job and she will continue to be
Speaker 1: involved with the show. And she's very talented on the
Speaker 1: video side, and it's done a great job behind the
Speaker 1: mic and on on the sound drop board and everything
Speaker 1: and the pick Um Show. She's killing it. But now
Speaker 1: we have a new person behind the glass. She is
Speaker 1: Lindsay Fulton. Uh. She doesn't have a nickname yet, Mrs
Speaker 1: f I'm just throwing that out there that Ms F
Speaker 1: who knows. Say, don't I have to be married to
Speaker 1: be a Mrs Yeah? Yeah, Well we'll work all that out. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll find you a husband on the show. Everything
Speaker 1: is possible right now, Lindsey Fulton is the newest member
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL podcast Behind the Glass. Lindsay, welcome, Uh,
Speaker 1: say hello to the audience and tell us where you
Speaker 1: where you came from. Thanks for the big, warm welcome.
Speaker 1: Came from Cleveland. I moved here just about a week ago. Big,
Speaker 1: huge adjustment. But the biggest adjustment for me so far
Speaker 1: is dealing with the newsroom filled with Yankees fans after
Speaker 1: lost in the A. Yeah, that was enjoyable for me.
Speaker 1: You not not as much, and and you have um hell,
Speaker 1: let's get into it real quick here. You know, when
Speaker 1: we first met with you and talked about the position, Uh,
Speaker 1: we asked, you know, we knew you were from Ohio, Ohio.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you a Browns fan? You said no,
Speaker 1: but you do have a brown story involving your old
Speaker 1: man and Bill Belichick of all people. You want to
Speaker 1: share that one for the audience. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: if I have to explain why I'm not a huge
Speaker 1: Browns fan, also why I especially hate the Patriots, It's
Speaker 1: because my dad used to be an engineer for the
Speaker 1: brown So he helped them get get everything on on
Speaker 1: the air. And there's even a time where he got
Speaker 1: struck by lightning, but we'll talk about that and and
Speaker 1: lived and that for the natural disasters pun exactly. So,
Speaker 1: my dad worked for the Browns radio network and right
Speaker 1: before they moved, it was their final game of the
Speaker 1: season Christmas Eve, and my dad ran into Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: and he said, well, what do you do here? He said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm your radio engineer, helped get your your games on
Speaker 1: the air on the radio side. And he said, well,
Speaker 1: we don't need you anymore. You're fired. I'm Christmas Eve
Speaker 1: of all things. Yes, Belichick is scourge. Greg. Answer to that, Greg,
Speaker 1: this is a tricky one. How do you feel now?
Speaker 1: Doesn't that is any kind of I didn't think his
Speaker 1: hands were that much. I didn't. I didn't know all
Speaker 1: these details. So wait, if they didn't run into each
Speaker 1: other there in the hall, would he have kept his job?
Speaker 1: N the ruling? It was on the plane? Okay? I mean,
Speaker 1: so do you feel because as an anti Brown's person,
Speaker 1: have they suffered enough and as the team and the
Speaker 1: fan base suffered enough to right the wrong that was
Speaker 1: done to your family line. I'm not an anti Browns person,
Speaker 1: but I never became a Browns fan when they came
Speaker 1: back because of that, so I'm not anti. You probably
Speaker 1: avoided a lot of trouble. I want them to win.
Speaker 1: I want them to do well, but let's be honest,
Speaker 1: it's not happening anytime soon. So save myself the misery
Speaker 1: and just kind of watch from afar And I will
Speaker 1: say interacting with her because you think that I am
Speaker 1: negative about the Browns at times, she's got it going on.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the negative takes on the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: it's that there's no there's no foot off the pedal there.
Speaker 1: I never saw them win. I mean, I remember when
Speaker 1: I was really young listening to the Bernie Bernie song.
Speaker 1: That was great, you know, back in the Bernie era.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a Bernie Bernie Bernie. Oh how you
Speaker 1: can throw up? Yeah, this great song. Great, this is
Speaker 1: so much podcast. But yeah, this is yeah we need
Speaker 1: By the way she lived in Burria. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good point. I've often thought, you
Speaker 1: know what, this podcast needs more Brown's concept. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: we're going from a producer who it might be the
Speaker 1: most vocal person on Twitter and during the Patriots game
Speaker 1: on the positive side, and now replaced by a Patriots loather. Interesting. Interesting,
Speaker 1: very Are you neighbors with Mike Petton by any chance? No,
Speaker 1: but I know where he lived because my nephew went
Speaker 1: trick or treating his house. Yeah, exactly, right by the complex.
Speaker 1: I know we all know this story about my Exactly
Speaker 1: I could see the complex. By the way, like eight
Speaker 1: coaches in a row have lived in that little complex.
Speaker 1: They probably all lived in the same house. And it's
Speaker 1: probably built on an Indian burial ground. Look, you're saying,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. You're gonna lindsay, um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get to the Game's enough, Dilly dallying. Uh,
Speaker 1: Let's dig right in and let's start today, guys, with
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins heading to Atlanta to face the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Mark Uh, this is a game, uh, featuring a Dolphins
Speaker 1: team that has no idea how to move the football
Speaker 1: on offense. The Jay Cutler experiment. We could be seeing
Speaker 1: the end of it as as soon as Sunday. It
Speaker 1: could be all over against the Falcons, who are coming
Speaker 1: off a by and have not quite been themselves on offense,
Speaker 1: at least when measured against how excellent they were a
Speaker 1: year ago. I'm not worried about the Falcons, especially with
Speaker 1: the way the two running backs are playing. I think
Speaker 1: they'll be fine the Dolphins. Watching that game again, Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler and West you pointed this out, and you pointed
Speaker 1: out many times. Jay Cutler, though, I think, is at
Speaker 1: an all time low in terms of just to me,
Speaker 1: looking completely out of his element. It's it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't agree more that this has to be.
Speaker 1: I understand the loyalties between Adam Gaze and Cutler and
Speaker 1: the fact that you know it pulled Cutler out of
Speaker 1: the announcer's booth to do this, but this is a
Speaker 1: better team with more at the quarterback position. I would
Speaker 1: I would actually just turn this into of the Jaguars
Speaker 1: on offense, bringing more run the ball as much as
Speaker 1: you can, and you've got a good defense to go
Speaker 1: along with it. You can still save your season potentially.
Speaker 1: Entering the fourth quarter of last week's game, Jake Cutler
Speaker 1: had thrown the ball nineteen times for thirty three yards.
Speaker 1: And it's been like that for weeks. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think this Jake Cutler and this Dolphins offense has been
Speaker 1: anything we've seen in the Jake Cutler career to this degree.
Speaker 1: I mean he right now is really the worst, the
Speaker 1: worst offense and the worst passing game in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean he. I don't know what would be worse,
Speaker 1: right I guess mac if Macastle's starting, that's worse. That's
Speaker 1: the Dolphins ranked thirty second and last. And drive success
Speaker 1: rate my favorite Football Outsiders metric, right and it and
Speaker 1: this is a slightly different metric, and maybe I could
Speaker 1: pull that up. But you mentioned the Falcons offense struggling,
Speaker 1: and in with the eye test, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they're struggling. And then when you look at the numbers.
Speaker 1: They actually are leading the league in offense of yards
Speaker 1: per drive by by a few yards. And they're leading
Speaker 1: the NFL in net yards per drive, which is basically,
Speaker 1: they gain more yards than they give up per drive.
Speaker 1: So they haven't had the ball enough. That's that's part
Speaker 1: of the problem. But they are moving the ball better
Speaker 1: than any team in the league, and I think that
Speaker 1: that augurs well for the future. I literally have never
Speaker 1: heard that before, so that's awesome. But um, congratulations on
Speaker 1: that one. One more stat to really crystallize how how
Speaker 1: poor Miami has been on offense. They've scored three touchdowns
Speaker 1: on forty five offensive drives this season. Uh and that's
Speaker 1: the fewest since the two thousand six Raiders. Never team
Speaker 1: want to be compared to. They went to and fourteen.
Speaker 1: So I think that and remember, we're gonna this is
Speaker 1: this is not fair. I'm not gonna lock this one up,
Speaker 1: but you do gotta lock a game up. Good welcome back,
Speaker 1: a welcome back, get your get your thinking cap on
Speaker 1: um that don't blow out your voice with it, you know,
Speaker 1: calm down, nice and easy. Final thought on the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this game in the second quarter and the
Speaker 1: announcer says that Jay Cutler is still living alone in
Speaker 1: a hotel room. He doesn't know what to do with
Speaker 1: himself on his off days. Almando Salgaro is already writing
Speaker 1: articles talking about the dolphins plans for open and overhauling
Speaker 1: their offense in two thousand eighteen. I'm sure Cutler will
Speaker 1: rally the You know, it's crazy, is this team's two
Speaker 1: and two? Like if if Matt Moore came in and played. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you never they are two and two.
Speaker 1: We're talking about them as if their seasons over and
Speaker 1: I'm a Jet fans the season's over. I'm a Jet
Speaker 1: fans on Bilt to hate the Dolphins, but there is
Speaker 1: uh a level of you know, apathy for a fan
Speaker 1: base in their stadium chanting we want more. They're chanting
Speaker 1: for Matt More. I mean, nice little backup. But that's
Speaker 1: what it's come to. And what's to me, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lost season. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people agree. Let's move on. The Chicago Bears, coming off
Speaker 1: their Monday Night loss in the Mitch Tripe Whiskey debut,
Speaker 1: now travel to Baltimore, UH to meet the Ravens. The
Speaker 1: Ravens at three and two. Coming off that thirteen win
Speaker 1: over the Ravens and Chris westling Um, what were your
Speaker 1: takeaways from the Mitch Trobinsky debut on Monday. Well, bad
Speaker 1: news for you because you don't have to say Goodbote,
Speaker 1: you one one of your longest running signed scientists. Beefs okay,
Speaker 1: let's hear it. I mean Marcus Mariota is out. He's
Speaker 1: Outlet The Mariota Winston debate is over pretty much since
Speaker 1: Mario Marioto already won that. Anyway, what are you talking about, Winston?
Speaker 1: Come on, Winston to turnover? Waiting to happen? This this,
Speaker 1: this is over, This is over. The Titans are dead
Speaker 1: to me? Is giving up on Marcus Mariota two years in,
Speaker 1: like twenties, something starts because he's gotten hurt and he's
Speaker 1: been a little up and out because the Titans are
Speaker 1: dead to me for their Matt Castle and Shenanigans. So
Speaker 1: you're good. That's what the man said. What he said, Greg, Yeah,
Speaker 1: short leash for the West. I was a little confused
Speaker 1: by the overall structure of how you got into it,
Speaker 1: because you're saying that that debate Mark Mariota against Winston's dead.
Speaker 1: But what done to hes run away with that? You know,
Speaker 1: it's he hasn't had a chance that any chances to
Speaker 1: stick it to Greg on air recently, so you had
Speaker 1: to get through that jab in there. It's a fair point.
Speaker 1: The three touchdowns and three interceptions this year from Mariota
Speaker 1: and and another injury has really finally put him over
Speaker 1: the top. Well, I can't I can't deny the injury stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear that he's better on the feet.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Yourbisky. Why do you love Dr Bisky
Speaker 1: so much less? Well, first of all, I see when
Speaker 1: I watch him play, I see Brett Farvello, and he is.
Speaker 1: It shocks me that Kyle Shanahan, who is the NFL's
Speaker 1: biggest proponent of the boot action offense, bypassed the guy
Speaker 1: who's perfect for the boot action offense. He he has.
Speaker 1: He has that ability to throw with arm strength into
Speaker 1: tight windows on the runs. Well, is any young quarterback
Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time? And I love that
Speaker 1: Bears game. People look at the box scor and say
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything. I thought he was really impressive. Well,
Speaker 1: he's not getting help from the people around him. You
Speaker 1: imagine him being plugged into an offense where you had
Speaker 1: reliable pass catching targets and a little bit more from
Speaker 1: your running backs in the game that he played at least.
Speaker 1: What about on the Ravens side. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Ravens because I can't I can't figure this team out, Greg.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're three and two right now. I can
Speaker 1: see them going six or ten or ten and six,
Speaker 1: And you can push me in any direction and I'll
Speaker 1: go along with it. I think their defense, which has
Speaker 1: been disappointing overall, can get better, and that in this matchup,
Speaker 1: it's really gonna test Trabinsky and test the running backs
Speaker 1: for Chicago and test the protection for Chicago, because Baltimore
Speaker 1: can send a lot of different looks at you. And
Speaker 1: sometimes we we've killed, like let's say the Raiders last week,
Speaker 1: you know, for past protection, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's the running backs in the tight ends who don't
Speaker 1: know who to pick up. And this is gonna be
Speaker 1: really a big test for Trabinsky and this coaching half.
Speaker 1: And because I think the Ravens defense has enough to
Speaker 1: get it done pretty easily this week. And you also
Speaker 1: think watching Rabinsky, the one thing I worry about is
Speaker 1: a little bit like with Jared Goff, It's like, what
Speaker 1: are we doing here for this season? Are are Is
Speaker 1: he just getting live reps with a coaching staff and
Speaker 1: even teammates that aren't gonna be there next year. To me,
Speaker 1: that's probably what's happening. So he's getting experience, but it's
Speaker 1: with a in a system that he's ultimately not gonna stay.
Speaker 1: But don't you think in in essence that had they
Speaker 1: held on with golf on the sideline all last year,
Speaker 1: he would have been starting from a much different place
Speaker 1: this season it was. It wasn't the year, but experience
Speaker 1: playing him. I just it's just a strange thing to
Speaker 1: think about that that, yes, he's the future, but we
Speaker 1: don't know what the rest of the people around him
Speaker 1: will be. He has such defined skills that whatever coaches
Speaker 1: next is going to be using a rollout often. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how Alex Collins got
Speaker 1: so good that well before we Hafore we move on.
Speaker 1: Dann Skrish dan Irish dancing. I think the Ravens are
Speaker 1: the kind of team there gonna go about nine and
Speaker 1: seven this season. I like Trabisky, but I'm locking this
Speaker 1: up for the Ravens. WHOA, I have a strategy with
Speaker 1: my locks. I have been pretty successful a little late,
Speaker 1: and I'm sticking to my secret. Take a heavy favorite,
Speaker 1: that's a great stress. Well, I'm gonna third to do it.
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't create that strategy, but I
Speaker 1: finally can do that starting next week because Greg has
Speaker 1: been a little flipping because he's been struggling and pretending
Speaker 1: like no one's tracking. Let's let's plug in on what
Speaker 1: the standings are. I think a t M lock lock
Speaker 1: up on Twitter. He does a nice job with joy
Speaker 1: or she Uh, Let's let's get on top of this.
Speaker 1: I just want to see where everybody's at this this
Speaker 1: at this point in the season, I'm done that. My
Speaker 1: My issue with the locks was, if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a competition in theory that you're actually keeping track of
Speaker 1: it now you're referencing it, a competition needs to have rules,
Speaker 1: Like it's not just this random thing that it was.
Speaker 1: It's kind of west this thing to begin with. He
Speaker 1: never understood the lock, Greg, you are nothing of that
Speaker 1: boundless fund anyway. Just take then you just take a
Speaker 1: heavy favorite? Are you are you saying that maybe we
Speaker 1: should get rid of the segment. Um all right, it's
Speaker 1: about honor. It's about honor thyself. If you're gonna take
Speaker 1: a heavy favorite, which I'm not saying Mark did here,
Speaker 1: then you have by the way, I mean, traditionally, I've
Speaker 1: taken ridiculously underdog picks for the lock and I've gotten
Speaker 1: crushed for it while everyone else is just taking that's
Speaker 1: all the Patriots over the Dolphins and Oxboro, what a stretch.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I mean that you're whatever your
Speaker 1: standings are unfair because you've taken monster underdogs very often.
Speaker 1: It's I think everyone is a good point by if
Speaker 1: you take heavy underdogs, then you can mix it up
Speaker 1: and take some favorites. Just have some respect for yourself,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all. It's not that complicated. Nobody should
Speaker 1: be trying to get one over on anyone else. Just
Speaker 1: our system, guys, we've been doing this like five years together.
Speaker 1: Let's just respect each other. That's all. Listeners completely wondering
Speaker 1: what's happening now, Moving on the clear. Then Brown's traveling
Speaker 1: to Houston to face the Texans. Um Greg Greg this um,
Speaker 1: you know, de Shaun Watson should be on the Browns,
Speaker 1: right now let's be honest, and now they gotta get
Speaker 1: it rubbed in their face. But fair enough. You know
Speaker 1: we talked about that. I want to talk about this
Speaker 1: right now. Mark you are you're trying to stay off
Speaker 1: this narrative that the Browns have not royally screwed themselves here,
Speaker 1: not at all. I absolutely believe that narratives. And it's
Speaker 1: it's the list of quarterbacks they passed on. He's not
Speaker 1: even in my top foot on passed. Other teams have
Speaker 1: passed on Deshaun Watson, for instance, But the Browns two
Speaker 1: years ago traded out of the pick that became Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: and then last year they traded out of the pick
Speaker 1: that directly became Deshaun Watson. I mean, are you are
Speaker 1: you attempting to break news? And no team, it's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Browns are the only team. No, the Browns are
Speaker 1: directly involved in this like no one else in the NFL,
Speaker 1: And no team, including the Jets, has had worse quarterback
Speaker 1: troubles in the Browns. So what they've done here is
Speaker 1: inexcusable and they deserve to be held to the fire
Speaker 1: and they deserve to be embarrassed by de Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: on Sunday, which is I think what's gonna happen. I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure it's gonna happen because to me, the
Speaker 1: Texans are a limited team overall. Without Whitney, Merciless and J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna get out of them. There.
Speaker 1: They have a potential for a great running game and
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is really fun to watch, but he's still
Speaker 1: very young, and he's gonna have some bad halfs and
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, we right. I mean the thing if
Speaker 1: I was a Browns fan that would trouble me watching Watson,
Speaker 1: that this isn't just a fast start and like this
Speaker 1: was a really potentially great franchise quarterback that will be
Speaker 1: around is he's so much more talented than we heard
Speaker 1: coming out. Like we heard he was Alex Smith, like
Speaker 1: in terms of his arm, in terms of being a
Speaker 1: game manager, his arm is so underrated. He can make
Speaker 1: any throw in the books. His his deep passes is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a sexy deep ball. He's thrown it
Speaker 1: like across his body sixty yards. Like this guy's about
Speaker 1: its talented. As a gag, that's sort of my point though,
Speaker 1: is that it's everyone get You can get on the
Speaker 1: Browns all you want for passing on a million players
Speaker 1: that should have picked, no argument, But who when the
Speaker 1: Texans took to Shaun Watson. How many of us, how
Speaker 1: many people in our news when we're saying great move,
Speaker 1: great pick, you didn't even you watch the way that
Speaker 1: the tabill O'Brien and the front office sat when that
Speaker 1: trade was made. It didn't even look like they were
Speaker 1: on the same page. It felt like a desperate trade
Speaker 1: up move. No one was talking about Watson this way.
Speaker 1: He has surprised people. I mean, his development at this
Speaker 1: at this rate has been surprising. But it's more, you
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's even from like the podcast standpoint,
Speaker 1: they should one of these two guys they should have taken.
Speaker 1: I just you can't take them off the hook for it.
Speaker 1: They should have either had Wentz or Watson by now.
Speaker 1: But instead, I don't think we're taking them off the
Speaker 1: hook though. It's just like, well, you're trying to a
Speaker 1: little I'm not at all, but Dan, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be I couldn't be more downtrodden with the
Speaker 1: Cleveland football experience, right, now from a podcast scenario, because
Speaker 1: we're still talking about how terrible the Browns are and
Speaker 1: shouldn't be the Has anymore. They had their ticket to
Speaker 1: get out and they didn't take it twice, that's all.
Speaker 1: And yet they they can put up some yards on
Speaker 1: this team. And I think with you liked what you
Speaker 1: saw to Kevin Hogan West last week. Yeah, when we
Speaker 1: came out of training camp and Cody Kessler was behind
Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan, I was beside myself because Kevin Hogan, we
Speaker 1: saw last year had the most grotesque throwing motion in
Speaker 1: the league and maybe the most grow testuey I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It was hideous look away. And then this year he
Speaker 1: he puts in the work. You can tell that Hugh
Speaker 1: Jackson has done some good with him. He's fixed his
Speaker 1: throwing motion. It's very much streamlined, and he moved the
Speaker 1: offense every time he comes in. I don't he's a
Speaker 1: mobile quarterback too. I'll say for the Cleveland should have
Speaker 1: beaten the Jets last week. They got in their own way.
Speaker 1: They outplayed the Jets. I'm not saying by a large margin.
Speaker 1: But there are little things for all the killing we
Speaker 1: want to do, and there are little things that have worked.
Speaker 1: I think I think the tight end Dave and the
Speaker 1: Joku shows promise Myles Garrett completely looked apart. They didn't
Speaker 1: blow that pick. From what we can see after one game,
Speaker 1: there are little things. It's just what it's half being
Speaker 1: way too slow and Johnson's finally having the season. But
Speaker 1: it all feels kind of lost, doesn't It all feel
Speaker 1: kind of lost in the overall experience. It feels like
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson is the football's version of Bou Porter. I mean,
Speaker 1: and for I know you probably don't know who Boot
Speaker 1: bou Porter is, but there's some similarities between the Browns
Speaker 1: and the Houston Astros who brought in this analytics team.
Speaker 1: Bow Porter was the manager and he suffered through losing seasons.
Speaker 1: They fire him, and the next coach benefits from your
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, your peppers, you're in. Joe Wu had a
Speaker 1: coming out party last week in Duke Johnson And I
Speaker 1: know we're not allowed to talk about anything going that
Speaker 1: goes on in the desert or whatnot. Never never, and
Speaker 1: I would never would. But I'm just saying, looking at
Speaker 1: this game, the Texans to me, should not be a heavy,
Speaker 1: heavy favorite against any team, right now to me, they're
Speaker 1: up for grabs. I don't know if this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a good team at all, Like they can lose
Speaker 1: any game. Nothing is a lot. It's j J. Watt,
Speaker 1: no Whitney, merciless rest of the year, and it really
Speaker 1: now tests them whether they are a team to really
Speaker 1: reckon with or if they've just lost too much on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. We'll start to find out.
Speaker 1: We put it this way, if they struggle with the Browns,
Speaker 1: it's a very bad sign. I think we all agree.
Speaker 1: They're moving on. The green Bay Packers traveling to Minnesota
Speaker 1: to face uh the Vikings is a nice little matchup here,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense and then
Speaker 1: that Vikings d that is strong, especially at home. Great matchup.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that Green Bay, which is clearly
Speaker 1: on offense, has been rounding into shape as the season's
Speaker 1: gone along. You have Aaron Jones now. I always like
Speaker 1: the Packers more when they can show balance and when
Speaker 1: they actually have a running game and they do. David
Speaker 1: back try out last week sounds like he will be back.
Speaker 1: You had Brian Bulago last week in the lineup. You've
Speaker 1: got your tackles back, You've got a ground game. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is playing the best he's played in a long
Speaker 1: time right now. This is a very dangerous matchup for Minnesota.
Speaker 1: That said, you got exe of your roads. This defense, honestly,
Speaker 1: is is fun to watch. A think this is It's
Speaker 1: so impossible to take this rivalry serious in previous years.
Speaker 1: I do. Right now. I think the Vikings can hang
Speaker 1: with Green Bay in this game. It's a really good matchup,
Speaker 1: especially that Aaron Jones, who is is coming off a
Speaker 1: very impressive performance going against what I think is the
Speaker 1: best defensive front four in the NFL, and Everson Griffin
Speaker 1: is playing like an all pro. Daniel Hunter is John
Speaker 1: Gruden's comparing him to a young Trail Suggs and Joseph
Speaker 1: that it claims to want that body as his own.
Speaker 1: Oh I've been thinking about that, by the way, because
Speaker 1: I kind of got caught flat footed with that when
Speaker 1: you guys are like, oh yeah, I always think about
Speaker 1: like whose body i'd want in an ideal situation, and
Speaker 1: obviously I'm no different. I'd love to have a better body,
Speaker 1: but I've I've actually narrowed it down. I found the
Speaker 1: exact body that I want okay, okay, And if you're
Speaker 1: a person of a certain age, you'll know exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about it. If not, you'll just have to
Speaker 1: try to picture it. Okay, it's Mark Paul Gosseler, who
Speaker 1: played Zach Morris. Let's say by the bell. But we're
Speaker 1: talking fall, We're talking the third season. Isn't he really skinny? There?
Speaker 1: We're talking the third season. We're talking right around the time. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's he had some he had some hip to him. Um,
Speaker 1: and he had some pecks. He had some pecks. This
Speaker 1: is right around the time where he blew out his
Speaker 1: A c L when Belding walked into the locker room
Speaker 1: before the big basketball game and then right west he
Speaker 1: miraculously recovered from that because then the next episode they
Speaker 1: were at malbou Sands, the summer episode, and uh, and
Speaker 1: Zack Morris's body at that period, not later on, like
Speaker 1: the senior year and especially the college years, he started
Speaker 1: to get a little puffy. Um. No, not any Zack Morris,
Speaker 1: specifically the fall and even hyper specifically September October. Your
Speaker 1: amount of research and you know, ability to zero in
Speaker 1: on this topic is intriguing and well because it is.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that I got that
Speaker 1: out there, and I wanted to give it thought well everyone,
Speaker 1: everyone was wondering. So you know, glad that I'll raise
Speaker 1: you Brad Pitt from Fight Club and you can have
Speaker 1: your October Zach from say by the Bed. You don't
Speaker 1: think it's a little weird to want the body of
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old lifeguard, Well, I mean he was.
Speaker 1: I think he was probably older. You know, they aged
Speaker 1: down in Hollywood in Tinseltown. But if he was a
Speaker 1: team well maybe that is you are attempting to bring
Speaker 1: Tinseltown back into the lexicon. This has happened that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I told Mark that privately yesterday that I'm bringing Tinseltown back.
Speaker 1: Probably would look like anybody on the planet. I'd probably
Speaker 1: want to look like Hunter Um. Anyway, final thoughts about
Speaker 1: this game. Sorry. The Vikings passing attack has been really
Speaker 1: effective with case Keenum. He he deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 1: Like if you look at Football Outsiders right now, this
Speaker 1: is the number five offense in the league in the
Speaker 1: defense is sixteen. I don't know if Keenum can totally
Speaker 1: keep it up, but I think Pat Shermer has done
Speaker 1: a really good job and that they should be taken
Speaker 1: seriously like he is in the top eight or nine
Speaker 1: right now in QBR in Pro Football Focus. They've been
Speaker 1: efficient as a passing attack with case Keenum. It's one
Speaker 1: of the more surprising things of the season. Signed for
Speaker 1: two million dollars. I'll tell you why I'm not taking
Speaker 1: him seriously because I'm locking it up class. We told
Speaker 1: you you gotta take easy right now. I feel that
Speaker 1: good about the Packers right now. I love it. We
Speaker 1: want your pipes through the show. But you got it.
Speaker 1: That's a lock with authority. Did did you vaulted? I
Speaker 1: didn't even hear if you vaulted it, give me another vault,
Speaker 1: see lou It's basically if and then if the Vikings
Speaker 1: lose their out of this division race, more or less,
Speaker 1: you gotta win this game out. Yeah, let's move on.
Speaker 1: The Lions um are traveling to No Orlans to face
Speaker 1: the Saints. UH A Lions team coming off loss at
Speaker 1: home to the Panthers, a tough loss um where they
Speaker 1: couldn't get a stop at the end of the game
Speaker 1: to get back on the field, and now they they
Speaker 1: face west to say Aints, who couldn't look worse in
Speaker 1: the first two weeks, but in the last two weeks
Speaker 1: the defense has really showed up and made plays, and
Speaker 1: that is something to hang their hat on. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think when you when you watch what happened last
Speaker 1: week and k Wan Short having his way with the
Speaker 1: Lions offensive line, you wonder, can Cam Jordan, who's playing
Speaker 1: just about as well as any defensive lineman in the league,
Speaker 1: can he do the same thing two a Lions offensive
Speaker 1: line that did have struggled the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I mean, Stafford has taken six sacks last week, he
Speaker 1: took six sacks the week before. It's been brutal. How
Speaker 1: long can you last? And this is a team that
Speaker 1: has pretty defined limitations. It does not go down the
Speaker 1: field like that. They are condensed offense, not dissimilar to
Speaker 1: the Saints. They're they're kind of similar offenses, but I
Speaker 1: trust Drew Brees to run it better. And the difference is,
Speaker 1: I like the Saints in short yard situations with mark Ingram,
Speaker 1: whereas the Lions when they were trying to pick up
Speaker 1: a third and one or a fourth and one against
Speaker 1: against Carolina, they're getting blown back on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and they have lightweight running backs. The Lion really
Speaker 1: shouldn't be missing Cannon Golladay as much as they right exactly,
Speaker 1: they do miss, and it looks like he could be
Speaker 1: back for this game, which would be big. Maybe if
Speaker 1: Ricky Braun stopped dropping everything thrown to him, they wouldn't miss.
Speaker 1: Can you make a play? That's all I'm asking to
Speaker 1: who's picked West two picks after Ericade Beckham. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that means you need to be Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: But can you catch a ball in the end zone?
Speaker 1: Can you convert a big first down in a big
Speaker 1: spot When you're asking Marvin Jones to be the number
Speaker 1: one guy and you got Kenny goll Day praying that
Speaker 1: a rookie turns into ninety eight Moss. All you need
Speaker 1: is your tight end that you put so much into
Speaker 1: to make a couple. He's been on your radar. I
Speaker 1: I do like for New Orleans get out so many
Speaker 1: different things. Yeah, we's come up a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Well it's yeah, it's fad that he now has a
Speaker 1: weekly apology on Twitter to the Lions fans, not after
Speaker 1: apologies for his play. Don't we think it's having Willie
Speaker 1: sneed back is a big, a big addition for the Saints.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, he's he's one of the most underrated wide
Speaker 1: receivers in the league. I think that is. And this
Speaker 1: is this is the first game without Adrian Peter person
Speaker 1: which probably doesn't change their game, but it does at
Speaker 1: the very least remove any headaches or any type of
Speaker 1: like distractions for the team that that can't hurt either.
Speaker 1: I want to see if this Saints defense is average, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They've had such a strange season, the
Speaker 1: fact that they're the only team that really did a
Speaker 1: great job shutting down Carolina and then they shut down Miami,
Speaker 1: but everyone shuts down Miami. Like, I don't know. If
Speaker 1: they're at average defense, they're gonna be a playoff content.
Speaker 1: This feels like a good spot for them to have
Speaker 1: another good defensive showing, and if they do, you give
Speaker 1: them credit. But then I want to see what happens
Speaker 1: when they get the Packers of the week after that,
Speaker 1: and we'll see more about we should say good. I
Speaker 1: am constant checkpoints for Dan's approval. What about like the Dolphin?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna get that crazy that they shut down
Speaker 1: the Dolphins? No, they Breeze, who who's thirty eight years old,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't seem to be aging, while Eli Manning
Speaker 1: and and all the that classes aging. If if he
Speaker 1: can get supported by an average defense, I mean they'll
Speaker 1: be they'll be in the mix this year. You should
Speaker 1: our goodbyes in case this is it too. One of
Speaker 1: the best defensive plays players of the era, held Nata,
Speaker 1: who is on ir with an elbow injury and was
Speaker 1: off to his best start with the Lions, and they
Speaker 1: have a really good run defense. I wonder if that
Speaker 1: stays like that, but it could be a borderline Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. Okay, let's move on one quick aside. Mark
Speaker 1: Paul Gossler was about nineteen and a half years old
Speaker 1: in September. Really change changes everything that we would have
Speaker 1: almost twenty so just barely a teen just I mean,
Speaker 1: you're still on the wrong side of you know, him
Speaker 1: being a hot team. That's what it's, you know, not
Speaker 1: a big deal is that you're not helping yourself legal.
Speaker 1: Why did you need to go back into that that
Speaker 1: that because I just wanted to make it clear that
Speaker 1: it wasn't pining to be a fourteen year old or
Speaker 1: something that's talking that's basically I'm it's still a very
Speaker 1: strange pick by you. There's no way around it. We're
Speaker 1: not going to discuss it again today if we can
Speaker 1: help it moving on. The New England Patriots, you never know,
Speaker 1: it probably won't come up again, but it is on
Speaker 1: the record now. Uh, it will be used against me
Speaker 1: in the court of law. The New England Patriots are
Speaker 1: three and two, which is good for first place in
Speaker 1: the a f C East. But you know who else
Speaker 1: is at first place in the East. The New York Jets,
Speaker 1: who are also three and two, and now the Patch
Speaker 1: travel to the meadow Lands. Um, the Jets actually have
Speaker 1: if you don't count a weird season, guys, if you
Speaker 1: don't count the Chiefs, the Jets have the longest winning
Speaker 1: streak in the NFL right now. Who would have thought
Speaker 1: that would ever be the case? Now, Greg, I'll say
Speaker 1: this though, am I now gonna say? Oh? I think
Speaker 1: the Jets are gonna shock the world and beat the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think the Patriots are gonna
Speaker 1: take care of business. But can you imagine can you
Speaker 1: imagine if they somehow pull it out, the whole world
Speaker 1: would be upside down? I almost hope that that happens
Speaker 1: for you, because I mean, it's just been such a tough,
Speaker 1: you know, time for the New York sports fan, and
Speaker 1: now you know, they finally got these upstart Yankees back
Speaker 1: and maybe the first place Sunday, And how great would
Speaker 1: that be for for every one? It would be? I mean,
Speaker 1: if you think about it. Yeah, the Yankees had the
Speaker 1: big win over the Indians in Game five, and the
Speaker 1: Red Sox got knocked out of the playoffs and fired
Speaker 1: their manager. In the same day, the Yankees won the
Speaker 1: Jets then beat the Patriots. Watch out Nick's vers Celtics.
Speaker 1: Maybe that goes our way. Everything's changing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably not, though it's still a Week six game. But
Speaker 1: you want to see the Patriots continue to round into
Speaker 1: form defensively. I mean that that's the main that's the test,
Speaker 1: that's the main thing I'm looking for this This should
Speaker 1: be a passing attack that they can handle. I flick
Speaker 1: last it was a real turning point for them on
Speaker 1: defense last week, and I was getting killed because I
Speaker 1: still think it's gonna happen. I said, I thought New
Speaker 1: England will will probably finish the year with the top
Speaker 1: ten defense. After all, this early season dramatics and it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: do you even watch football? It's like, hey, would it
Speaker 1: be that crazy? It's very possible to make up. They
Speaker 1: do it. They communicate. I thought the communication issues were
Speaker 1: fixed last week in the secondary to some degree. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep doing it. Then the Jets are a nice
Speaker 1: opponent to have is the Jets have been okay on offense,
Speaker 1: maybe a little on the lesser side of okay. So
Speaker 1: it's a good spot for the Patriots that have another
Speaker 1: potential good defensive showing before they take on the Falcons
Speaker 1: next weeks. I got nothing to move on, alright, fair enough,
Speaker 1: anybody think the Jets come within a field goal? I
Speaker 1: think they could. They've even in their trashiest forms. They've
Speaker 1: they played the Patriots well under Rex Ryan and weird games,
Speaker 1: and I think it's possible they're opportunistically in that Cleveland game,
Speaker 1: they stepped in and took the game away from Cleveland
Speaker 1: with the turnovers they created their secondary. I do think
Speaker 1: the Jets are just they're well coached, they're kind of feisty.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't have much of a pass rush,
Speaker 1: not really great at anything, and so a lot of
Speaker 1: it's scheming, and so maybe Todd Vols has a great day,
Speaker 1: but I could see it going the other way. I
Speaker 1: could see the Patriots having their best game of the
Speaker 1: season and putting it on I like to get Rex
Speaker 1: Burke head back. I think he was going to be
Speaker 1: a bigger part of the offense. He's been out for
Speaker 1: three weeks or two weeks, and I want to give
Speaker 1: a shot. You got the nice long layoff from the
Speaker 1: Thursday to the last time. They dropped the Saints quite
Speaker 1: easily when they had that UM and a shout out
Speaker 1: to Jets fans because players showed up and filled up
Speaker 1: that building. And now they're gonna get a nice little
Speaker 1: Week six game. It could be all downhill from here
Speaker 1: because the Jets have the second hardest schedule in the
Speaker 1: league starting now, so this can turn ugly quick, but
Speaker 1: at least you get this game moving on. The San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners, UH, one of two winless teams in
Speaker 1: the NFL, now travel to Washington, UH to face the Redskins,
Speaker 1: another team coming off of by and right now West
Speaker 1: or excuse me, Mark there. We're not gonna have any
Speaker 1: Josh Norman for the Redskins. That won't help. But the
Speaker 1: forty Niners they have a lot of problems, including they
Speaker 1: can't win a close game. Every week they're losing a
Speaker 1: close game. I'm more encouraged by the forty Niners. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that they're, you know, on the doorstep, but
Speaker 1: then I am of a bunch of other teams with
Speaker 1: crappy records right now. I think they've played, they've stuck
Speaker 1: in these games. I think last week number one, you
Speaker 1: how about Brian Horror will not be the quarterback of
Speaker 1: this team next year, so it's it's it's not worth
Speaker 1: the laboring too much over him. But you finally saw
Speaker 1: with Pierre Garson and Marcus Goodwins some some progress made
Speaker 1: with the downfield passing game. I'm concerned about how after
Speaker 1: watching them get fried, t Y Hilton and Jacoby Brissette
Speaker 1: just took care of that secondary. Now you're playing a
Speaker 1: Redskins team that took some shots. It seems like that
Speaker 1: game was ages ago, but took some shots against The
Speaker 1: Chiefs made progress with their own passing game as well.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tough test for San Francisco to
Speaker 1: going to win this one. I thought last game was
Speaker 1: Marquis goodwins best game. Yeah, finally, you finally, even in
Speaker 1: the preseason you saw some of that. In the regular
Speaker 1: season was like the first time that showed up. I
Speaker 1: felt like, this is like the Kyle Shanahan this is
Speaker 1: your life season. First he goes up against McVeigh, and
Speaker 1: my confused mcmcveigh was against the Redskins, and now Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan against his former Redskins. I mean, these are two
Speaker 1: coaches that are ultimately very familiar and essentially run a
Speaker 1: very similar offense to to each other. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works out exactly, but I
Speaker 1: haven't really seen like this the frisky forty Niners defense
Speaker 1: this year that we kind of were expecting. The Forest
Speaker 1: Buckner is that guy. But other than that, it's it's
Speaker 1: really not that great a defense. It's just kind of there. Uh.
Speaker 1: They get Ruben Foster back, though, which is a big,
Speaker 1: big news for them. This is also potentially the team
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is on next season. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: the odds are in favor of that happening. The way
Speaker 1: things possibly you could shake out. And also about the
Speaker 1: struggling in close games, the four straight well, the five
Speaker 1: losses overall, but the last four games eleven points the
Speaker 1: margin of defeat combined. That's pretty tough. That that kind
Speaker 1: of tells you maybe they're due, but we'll see. Kind
Speaker 1: of like this George Kittle guy, Yeah, I mean, George
Speaker 1: Kittle kind of took the game over. I was five catch.
Speaker 1: I was joking in the news room and I was
Speaker 1: I was like, keep feeding kidd. Kiddle's gonna win an
Speaker 1: NFL game on his own, and they kept doing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had all the good games this season. Two,
Speaker 1: moving on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, coming off that bitterly
Speaker 1: disappointing Thursday night loss to the Patriots that led to
Speaker 1: the of Nick Folks time with the team and probably
Speaker 1: Nick's career. Let's face it, that's that's a kicker life.
Speaker 1: They now go to Arizona and and the Cardinals, Let's
Speaker 1: face it, West there a total mess. Uh. They have
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson. Now do you think this is going to
Speaker 1: be a lift to their offense at all? I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by this Adrian Peterson situation because, on one hand, the
Speaker 1: Saints got rid of him. Every time he entered the game.
Speaker 1: It was a tell that the ball was going to
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson. He can't succeed like that. Uh, they got
Speaker 1: rid of him, and then the Cardinals get ahold of him.
Speaker 1: He says he wants to play four or five more seasons.
Speaker 1: Bruce Arian says, I watched his film and he's a
Speaker 1: violent runner who still has it. Sean Payton is talking
Speaker 1: to Steve Kim and tells him, Hey, this guy still
Speaker 1: has it. You know, we've seen it. He's got what
Speaker 1: it takes. So everybody assumes this guy is washed up,
Speaker 1: but all the people involved in the Traders saying he's
Speaker 1: still got plenty left in the tank. There have been
Speaker 1: some runs this year and that we spoke about it
Speaker 1: a little bit on the last show where you you
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say he's washed up. And Next
Speaker 1: Gen Stats put out something this week which pointed out
Speaker 1: like he's had all of his success from a single
Speaker 1: back formation by being the guy right right back there.
Speaker 1: That's really not what the Saints run, and the Cardinals
Speaker 1: run that higher percentage than any team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And we know he's gonna get the ball because Chris
Speaker 1: Johnson wasn't even on the team and he joined it
Speaker 1: in the first week. He was on the team talking
Speaker 1: about putting him in a bad situation. They gave him
Speaker 1: the ball a ton right off the bat, so they're
Speaker 1: gonna give it to Adrian Peterson. My question would be
Speaker 1: looking at that offensive line which has gotten Carson Palmer
Speaker 1: killed on a weekly basis, can Adrian Peterson still be
Speaker 1: a running back that regardless of the offensive line, he
Speaker 1: will thrive well In the past, as he would point out,
Speaker 1: I've run behind some pretty bad, bad ones in the Minnesota.
Speaker 1: But I think the question is can they be better?
Speaker 1: Because they've been awful the Cardinals they have the worst
Speaker 1: rushing attack in the league, in the same league that
Speaker 1: the New York Giants exist in. And I think the
Speaker 1: question is d J. Humphriesy and Alex Boon, if you
Speaker 1: there are a materially different offensive line, If those two
Speaker 1: guys come back in the next couple of weeks, they
Speaker 1: they are. And yet I think his ceiling is one place.
Speaker 1: And the guy on the other side of the ball
Speaker 1: who returned to the field last week had the chance
Speaker 1: to be one of the two or three best running
Speaker 1: backs in the entire league. Doug Martin looked awesome against
Speaker 1: the Patriots, and people, oh well, wait till you see
Speaker 1: when he's not playing pages, It's like, use your eyes
Speaker 1: watch the game. He it doesn't matter who the opponent was,
Speaker 1: like his burst and the people he was making missed.
Speaker 1: He looked incredible, just like he did in the preseason.
Speaker 1: And he's going up against a team that I just
Speaker 1: don't think has it. I think this is one of
Speaker 1: the worst teams in the league in almost any situation.
Speaker 1: Right now, I am picking against the Arizona Cardinals, And
Speaker 1: even though I'm not quite sure about the Bucks, I'm
Speaker 1: just feeling the Cardinals are head into a long losing
Speaker 1: stick and that's why I'm locking it up like it
Speaker 1: had my mind. I had my eye on the Bucks.
Speaker 1: That's a good luck, and that's about a little bit
Speaker 1: of integrity. That luck. That shows again that you are
Speaker 1: a man. I see where you're going to back the
Speaker 1: rest of us. You're saying, I'm not looking to get
Speaker 1: ahead of anybody. I'm not looking to take shots. I'm
Speaker 1: here to make the pick that I believe in. But
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at your verbal subtweets. They're not even
Speaker 1: they're not even reaching me. I don't even feel whatever
Speaker 1: terrain you're trying to fire down on me, buddy. That
Speaker 1: has not I've had nothing to do with you. Nonsense.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I had who who did it have
Speaker 1: to do with It was cycling back to the conversation
Speaker 1: we have to be our own policeman. Compliment Greig, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always solid pick um Mark. While we're here, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to check in on your birthday. Your your birthday.
Speaker 1: It was Tuesday. You took the day off. We're all
Speaker 1: curious about you shooting up that coast. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: I cannot stress this enough. It was a low impact
Speaker 1: day off. Did I went out with the with the
Speaker 1: what with the wife for little bit in a night.
Speaker 1: That was nice to turn this up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Picture Mark rented Thunderbird shooting up the coast there the wind.
Speaker 1: You don't need fish, do you You ever heard of
Speaker 1: like avocado? This guy always got up the coast from Bark. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we had to get off the exit. Mark kill the music.
Speaker 1: Mark to tell us about sushi. Did you have sushi?
Speaker 1: I did, and it was it was It was not
Speaker 1: including fish, Gregg, And that's your question just ruin my
Speaker 1: road trip. Let me tell you something. If I were
Speaker 1: to get in a car and shoot up the coast.
Speaker 1: No way, no possible way am I back here today.
Speaker 1: I would have come up with some excuse, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a guy's issue. No one can say anything.
Speaker 1: And then I have some sort of issue I don't know,
Speaker 1: just like a ladies issue. They say I have a
Speaker 1: guys this year. I think that works. I think that
Speaker 1: would raise a lot more questions. Okay, well I have
Speaker 1: a I have a medical concern, or I have a
Speaker 1: family is you and something something that no one can argue.
Speaker 1: I would be gone for days and days if you
Speaker 1: had a guy's issue that was a medical issue. It's like,
Speaker 1: I think that's something junk related, let's be honest. But again,
Speaker 1: it would be used as a crutch to simply not
Speaker 1: return to work for the rest of the week. But
Speaker 1: you telling your wife, you're telling your wife that she's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be plugged in, Like, wait, what's wrong with
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, all right, I'm just I'm sorry talking
Speaker 1: with the sushi, but something that's just it saddens me
Speaker 1: that for the birthday meal theory, the best they could
Speaker 1: do was fishless sushi, which is essentially just you know,
Speaker 1: rice and vegetables. You put something I could care less
Speaker 1: about it, not even sushi. I could care less about
Speaker 1: a birthday meal. It's like, you know that, that's just
Speaker 1: literally you have to put fuel in your body to
Speaker 1: keep the day going. It's not like some people like
Speaker 1: let me, let me go to my favorite pizza shop
Speaker 1: or a great restaurant. You it's just like, give me
Speaker 1: the fuel need to keep sustenance. It's kind of it's
Speaker 1: just shut the box and then put me back in
Speaker 1: the car and let's go. Let's go put the wind
Speaker 1: in our hair. All right, we're rolling, We're going up
Speaker 1: the coast, and you can smell the smoke in the air.
Speaker 1: It's just terrible buyers up there, he's going, he's already
Speaker 1: that far. Yeah, he's he's cruising. He's got he's got
Speaker 1: the cruise control set at eighty five. He's thinking, and
Speaker 1: I had to somehow be back in l a and
Speaker 1: in like an hour and a half, sal paradise in
Speaker 1: the passenger seat's let's be thinking about wesh. He's he's
Speaker 1: re enacting Caroline. Yeah, big sir. Up the coast. Heats
Speaker 1: Greg catting over to get over the fact that I
Speaker 1: wasn't eating fish heads for my for my birthdaymul over here.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's just yeah. But you're mourning something that
Speaker 1: you don't need to mourn. You you can have your
Speaker 1: You're a religious person that thinks I am missing, like
Speaker 1: I am basically dead, or I'm I have a hole
Speaker 1: in my life checks out because I don't have God
Speaker 1: in my life. You know that's how much I You know,
Speaker 1: I love food and I am sad to see my
Speaker 1: friend food is your God. Yes, let's move on to
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles rams. Um. They are three and two
Speaker 1: after the sixteen ten loss TV Seahawks. In week five,
Speaker 1: they travel to Jacksonville. Now, and uh, it's funny how
Speaker 1: quickly you know. Obviously great, great performance on defense, completely
Speaker 1: bewildering Ben Roethlisberger um five interceptions and all that at
Speaker 1: thirty nine win. But Greg, it is a little to me.
Speaker 1: People quickly forgot that the week before the Jaguars found
Speaker 1: a way to lose against the Jets in a game
Speaker 1: they had no business losing. And they still have the
Speaker 1: same issues at quarterback. And I am I late getting
Speaker 1: onto this bandwagon. I still don't believe in the Jacks. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. They're the most uneven team in
Speaker 1: the NFL week to week that's been proven out. They're
Speaker 1: still looking for their first win in Jacksonville. This might
Speaker 1: only be their second game in Jacksonville, and this is
Speaker 1: the game I'm most intrigued by of the entire week.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of the We're totally different
Speaker 1: than last year. We're the new kind of two thousand seventeen,
Speaker 1: which which buzzy team, and I believe it will be
Speaker 1: the team of eight. TL is gonna have a little
Speaker 1: more stay in power, great offense versus defense matchup. I
Speaker 1: think you're right to doubt the Jaguars, and I know
Speaker 1: everyone is overreacting to one week. Nobody was talking about
Speaker 1: the Jags as some great team when the Jets were
Speaker 1: beating them. But you know, this is the first time
Speaker 1: they've been in first place after five weeks since almost
Speaker 1: twenty years. Yeah, and the first this is the latest
Speaker 1: they've been above five hundred since two thousand ten. So
Speaker 1: and they've got it's been a dark period. Here's what
Speaker 1: I point to, though, Like they do the things that
Speaker 1: I don't doubt Leonard four Net. Everyone knew they was
Speaker 1: going to him over and over last week. They ran
Speaker 1: the ball eighteen times to close the game, and most
Speaker 1: of his production came in that that rough period of
Speaker 1: the game for the Steelers. He ran right over. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's a powerful, incredible runner to watch. And Chris
Speaker 1: Ivory being the backup and running really well, and that's
Speaker 1: what he has played a big role. He picked up
Speaker 1: a lot of the key first downs last week. I
Speaker 1: kept drives going and and I feel remiss that we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about my favorite play of the year, which
Speaker 1: to me kind of shows how Leonard four Nett is,
Speaker 1: how how this Jaguars team's got a little bit of
Speaker 1: a sizzle to them. The fact that Leonard Fournette gets
Speaker 1: to the outside and he sees Steelers safety Mike Mitchell coming,
Speaker 1: who had already run over once in the game and
Speaker 1: they had done, and he waves at him, come here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never seen that in the NFL. That's
Speaker 1: an amazing thing, and that fires up your teammate. And
Speaker 1: a couple of things that first all that was during
Speaker 1: a stretch uh call. Again, shout out to Doug Moron
Speaker 1: who said something before the season started, stuck stuck to it,
Speaker 1: this is a running in defense team exclusively. That was
Speaker 1: part of a field goal drive where they ran the
Speaker 1: ball just twelve straight time with Leonard Fournett and Chris
Speaker 1: Ivory who also looks pretty good this year, and they
Speaker 1: got a field goal. And the other thing is Mike
Speaker 1: Mitchell did a nice job there. He took him on,
Speaker 1: didn't shy away, got the tackle. Mike Mitchell though, was
Speaker 1: he was an understandably so who does that? He jumped
Speaker 1: up and he was like celebrating, going nuts, and it
Speaker 1: was like, did that just happen that? I was? It
Speaker 1: was amazing. Well, they had you could tell early in
Speaker 1: the game for Net essentially ran Mitchell over uh and
Speaker 1: you know they and they started giant at that point.
Speaker 1: So they he had his eyes like he looks for contact.
Speaker 1: He wants to punish defense well, and when Doug Maron
Speaker 1: said that, people laughed at him. But here these were
Speaker 1: his words. I want to go back to the old way.
Speaker 1: I want to change the game. Everyone knows what they're
Speaker 1: doing on offense play after play, and somehow it's working. Um.
Speaker 1: Wes you the defense earlier this week, um, because you
Speaker 1: know a lot of questions of being asked to Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger now, who's having a bad year, there's no way
Speaker 1: around it. In a really bad Sunday. Specifically, Um, you
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy that was totally lost at sea
Speaker 1: when you watch the tape. No. I I thought this
Speaker 1: was the biggest overreaction game of the week. The Steelers
Speaker 1: were up by a hundred yards and holding Leonard four
Speaker 1: net under three yards per carry at the end of
Speaker 1: the third quarter, and then the wheels just came off
Speaker 1: of Ben. I just think Ben's performance was mostly bad luck.
Speaker 1: And you know, testing an outstanding the Jaguars past defense
Speaker 1: fifty six point nine. Only three teams in his three
Speaker 1: have ever had a lower past defense or a passer
Speaker 1: rating and one and they all three one the super
Speaker 1: well they there's an incredible stat the quarterbacks. If you
Speaker 1: wanted to face a j Boy and Jalen Ramsey, you'd
Speaker 1: have a higher percentage against them by spiking the ball
Speaker 1: on every play. Jared Jared Goff started off the season great,
Speaker 1: but he is playing a really tough stretch of defenses
Speaker 1: and we saw last week that they didn't light it
Speaker 1: up quite as much. But I liked a lot of
Speaker 1: what I saw from Jared Goff last week when I
Speaker 1: when I went back to to rewatch that like, I
Speaker 1: think he has shown a lot of progress and I
Speaker 1: think he can I think he can still move the
Speaker 1: ball against the defense like Jacksonville, and I liked them this.
Speaker 1: So let's move on and talk about the Steelers and
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, who now traveled to Kansas City. Uh, Mark
Speaker 1: and Uh, you know, this is quite a test for
Speaker 1: this team. They're kind of at the crossroads right now,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, after a preseason in
Speaker 1: which they're hyped up as a definite challenger to the
Speaker 1: Patriots throne. There three and two, still in first place,
Speaker 1: tied for first, but coming off that game a very
Speaker 1: cult loss against the Jaguars. Uh, what are you? What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about this? One? Three and two in
Speaker 1: a division they absolutely could win. The a f C
Speaker 1: North is not what it has been in recent years
Speaker 1: right now, I don't think. And my question with Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's like we are having to look at
Speaker 1: them a little differently. I like a lot of elements
Speaker 1: of their defense, but in a game like this, Kansas
Speaker 1: City has poured on points all year, do we trust
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to kind of finally get it all together and
Speaker 1: win a shootout. I I don't know about that, especially
Speaker 1: the talk about Martavis Bryant essentially having sort of a
Speaker 1: lower role this week. It's just something seems out of
Speaker 1: sync with this, with this attack, there's sort of the
Speaker 1: team of the week as far as what this represents
Speaker 1: as a test and everybody talking about Big Ben's postgame
Speaker 1: comments and is he washed up? Uh? And there do
Speaker 1: appear to be some some whispers around the league about
Speaker 1: their locker room, uh, specifically between Ben and Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if you know the controversy surrounding his
Speaker 1: postgame not controversy, but everybody making a big deal if
Speaker 1: that locker room comes together this week or now. And
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's status as we tape this is not for sure,
Speaker 1: but he did practice fully on Thursday, which would indicate
Speaker 1: that he will get cleared, although it's a concussion. Because
Speaker 1: if they're missing Travis Kelsey, they're just not the same team.
Speaker 1: They just lost Chris Conley, not that he's like the
Speaker 1: biggest part of their offense, but that's losing two key
Speaker 1: pieces and Kelsey being being the the key piece. They're
Speaker 1: a star driven team. Tyreek Hill, Kelsey justin Houston and
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters are really important to them, and Justin Houston
Speaker 1: hasn't practiced yet this week. Although the the second we
Speaker 1: doubt Alex Smith a little more. He just comes out
Speaker 1: and that was his best game of the season last week.
Speaker 1: I mean, we used to make fun of him throwing
Speaker 1: short of the sticks. Now they're suddenly the best team
Speaker 1: in the league on third and long. Third and long
Speaker 1: is like, okay, now it's Alex Smith time. Let's let's
Speaker 1: compete that when we made fun of he did do that,
Speaker 1: Like he's fundamentally you he's being used differently this year
Speaker 1: and he's succeeding right now. I'm yeah, I agree. It's
Speaker 1: just feels that that's crazy that it's Alex Smith. I
Speaker 1: don't want this to be an indictment of the Chiefs
Speaker 1: because I think they're an excellent team and I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in the mix deep into January. But
Speaker 1: I don't I am not counting up Ben Roethlisberger. I
Speaker 1: think the Tomlin Roethlisberger era, there's been blips along the
Speaker 1: way and they always seem to come back. And to me,
Speaker 1: this looks like the type of game where the Steelers
Speaker 1: get right and deliver a big performance and win a
Speaker 1: game in fact, and you gotta be a man of principal.
Speaker 1: You gotta be a man you hold yourself to your
Speaker 1: own code. And that's why I'm locking up. I'm blacking wow.
Speaker 1: I respect this pick. Thank you, Wes. Just well, it
Speaker 1: was just January that basically the same personnel on the
Speaker 1: field for the Steelers winning and and beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: It's right. It's even though I'm sure in Kansas City
Speaker 1: it's getting played up a lot as as the playoff rematch.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a I think a big game
Speaker 1: in Alex Smith's head in some way. Not that I
Speaker 1: think he was the reason they lost that game totally,
Speaker 1: but that was sort of the game that made them
Speaker 1: draft Patrick Mahomes like like, hey, you can't beat the
Speaker 1: big boys, you're at home. This is a big game
Speaker 1: for Alex. Um. I love that you picked the Steelers,
Speaker 1: the big kind of hang some onion. I ain't afraid
Speaker 1: to hang on you. I'm with you. I like that.
Speaker 1: Moving on, the Los Angeles Chargers um are one and four.
Speaker 1: They finally got that win against the Giants and now
Speaker 1: they travel uh to face the Raiders, who are in
Speaker 1: a three game losing streak. They hope to have their
Speaker 1: quarterback Derek carrback as of taping. We're taping this on
Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. It looks like he's trending that way, but
Speaker 1: not a given west your thoughts, well, I mean, if
Speaker 1: if Young Wi Coup makes two kicks, the Chargers aren't
Speaker 1: even seen as an underdog in this game. I think
Speaker 1: that there's a better team right now because I am
Speaker 1: not impressed with how the Raiders are playing at all.
Speaker 1: I that's an interesting, interesting take because to me, Raiders
Speaker 1: look like a broken team right Look, it's more about
Speaker 1: the Raiders looking poor than in your mind then the
Speaker 1: Chargers looking good because they didn't really do a lot
Speaker 1: too to impress against the Giants in that game. Either.
Speaker 1: The Chargers problem is their run defense. I could get
Speaker 1: behind almost everything else with this team. If you told me,
Speaker 1: you know, you got Mike Williams, the rookie coming in
Speaker 1: this week, and they're you know, they're starting to use
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry Moore and weed Antonio Gates out and that's
Speaker 1: helping the offense. Melvin Gordon's coming off his best week
Speaker 1: of the year. I I could be convinced that the
Speaker 1: Chargers offense is about to take off. I mean, is
Speaker 1: any team having going in what we thought they'd be
Speaker 1: and what they are that the worst season than the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I mean Amari Cooper's vanished. There's whispers that there's issues
Speaker 1: potentially between the owner and the head coach right now
Speaker 1: that you know his job has been questioned at one point.
Speaker 1: That seems crazy to me after what happened last season
Speaker 1: and the contract that he got. The contract Marshawn Lynch
Speaker 1: is brought in. It's it's a nice offseason narrative. I
Speaker 1: think Washat Lynch just ran well in places, but their
Speaker 1: ground game is suspect. Their defense is suspect. I don't
Speaker 1: know there there's yeah, their defense. There's no reason in
Speaker 1: particular to expect them to do anything in their back seven,
Speaker 1: Their linebackers, their their secondary all struggles. But Rivers, Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers has not shown right now that he's able to
Speaker 1: take advantage of bad defense. They are missing layups all
Speaker 1: the time, They're having the layers of game. It's just
Speaker 1: it hasn't been the Chargers offense. One more note on
Speaker 1: that game, boys, um the wildfires that have really scorched
Speaker 1: the Bay Area have It's led to some issues about
Speaker 1: whether the game would be playable on Sunday. The air
Speaker 1: quality in northern California has reached unhealthy levels due to
Speaker 1: the fires. Um they are monitoring the situation, the league
Speaker 1: spokesman said. At this point, the game remained scheduled for
Speaker 1: Sunday in Oakland. Could change, but as of now still
Speaker 1: Rapport reported that Levi Stadium is an option moving on.
Speaker 1: The New York Giants don't have a win, don't have
Speaker 1: any wide receivers, don't really have any hope right now.
Speaker 1: That's the situation. Don't have any well dysfunction. They have
Speaker 1: plenty of dysfunction. Dominic Rogers Carmarty left the team on
Speaker 1: Wednesday and was suspended indefinitely. UM whole whole thing going
Speaker 1: on right now. And now, to top it off, Big
Speaker 1: Bluest to travel to Denver to face the three and
Speaker 1: one Broncos. Greg I want to I want to go
Speaker 1: out on a limb here and say that no team
Speaker 1: is in bigger trouble in Week six than these New
Speaker 1: York Giants. I think that's true, and it's partly because
Speaker 1: they are missing Dominique Rodgers Cormarty. A story that really
Speaker 1: fascinates me and gets to what happens sometimes maybe on
Speaker 1: an OH and five team. And it shouldn't be lost.
Speaker 1: He's now suspended by the team. It shouldn't be lost
Speaker 1: that he is one of the better cornerbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And so this is a defense that slipped under the
Speaker 1: radar a bit because of Eli Manny and the receivers.
Speaker 1: But the New York Giants defense is one of the
Speaker 1: most disappointing units on either side of the ball in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL. They really don't have a pass rush
Speaker 1: right now. Teams are running through them. This is what
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be built on and and without DRC.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to take another a big shot
Speaker 1: trade him. Yeah, get get old Steve, come on the horn,
Speaker 1: since he's trading already with Bomb. Get bomb come. Bomb
Speaker 1: used to be the director of player personnel for the
Speaker 1: Cardinals when Dominique Rodgers Carmarti was drafted by the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: so you figure he probably likes him. Anyway. He was
Speaker 1: a guy who threatened retirement a couple of Super Bowls ago.
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with the story, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: amazed he was taking off the field last week and
Speaker 1: no one reported, No one knew anything about it. This
Speaker 1: is a starting player that was basically taking off the field.
Speaker 1: Then he shows up to the facility, he leaves the facility.
Speaker 1: It's just like mcadoo's losing control, sub tweeting the Giants
Speaker 1: beat writers, do your job, Um and yeah McAdoo, it
Speaker 1: is all coming down now, it's falling down around him.
Speaker 1: If it feels familiar, Uh, it's because this This does
Speaker 1: happen every couple of years. A team gets off to
Speaker 1: a terrible start and then teams who go one of
Speaker 1: two ways. They could stay together and and four John
Speaker 1: or things can really collapse and the Giants don't get
Speaker 1: any um, any example or excuses. Uh, but losing both
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, Brandon Marshall, Sterling, Sharp Shepherd and uh who else?
Speaker 1: Who else got hurt? Dwayne Harris were in Harris you
Speaker 1: have no receiving all in one game is almost unheard of.
Speaker 1: And they just you can imagine now they're going into
Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain avalanche. I would be stunned if they
Speaker 1: scored double digits in this. I don't know if there
Speaker 1: was a team more reliance, certainly not last year. And
Speaker 1: part of this year more reliant on their wide receivers.
Speaker 1: It's the only way they produced yardage in points. Now
Speaker 1: you have to go face easily the best run defense
Speaker 1: in the league with a run game that barely exists.
Speaker 1: I like that we're now just accepting the Rocky Mountain
Speaker 1: Avalanche and I don't know. I mean, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: There is another, a prominent team in Denver with the
Speaker 1: Avalanche has their nicknames, so it's a little hazy, but
Speaker 1: prominent that it's a hockey team. I like this Broncos team,
Speaker 1: and in theory this should be a rival. It has
Speaker 1: been a rival and a thorn in the Patriots side
Speaker 1: over the last decade. But I love watching this team
Speaker 1: and I think this is a team to watch as
Speaker 1: a potential super Bowl team. I couldn't agree with you more. Uh. Finally,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Monday night football game between the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Cults and the Tennessee Titoons. As of this taping,
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, I think they're hopeful that he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: It's not a done deal, and you're really really Mark
Speaker 1: hope that's the case, because we don't want another week
Speaker 1: Matt Castle around you we can't take it. We won't
Speaker 1: take it. So this has well, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do about it? I will simply not only not cover
Speaker 1: this game on its actual game day. I won't be
Speaker 1: here anyways, but I won't watch it and I will
Speaker 1: never watch it if he plays, I will never serve
Speaker 1: a second of it. I don't blame you, bro, bro Well,
Speaker 1: that's what pros do. I don't accept that that that
Speaker 1: level dr you get. Matt Castle, Kobe Brissette. I am
Speaker 1: to understand Andrew Luck is coming back. And Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: is a far superior product. Potentially he is. But Jacoby
Speaker 1: Brissette I would love to see I love you. I
Speaker 1: would love to see him as like an all time
Speaker 1: QB that can be shipped around the league week to
Speaker 1: week and fill in for some of these Matt Castle
Speaker 1: like teams. Jacroby Brissette should not be on the bench.
Speaker 1: He's too fun to watch. The league needs fun quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We don't need him buried behind Andrew Luck. Move him around,
Speaker 1: change the rules. It's kind of like when you're playing
Speaker 1: football and you have an odd number. He's just the course.
Speaker 1: He's the all time QB quarterback YEP week to week
Speaker 1: he goes wherever he's needed the most you can. He's
Speaker 1: having a nice season. But do I do I need
Speaker 1: Jake Brisket in my life times the rest of his career?
Speaker 1: Would you rather have Matt Castle? No? I know what that?
Speaker 1: I like your thinking a lot. That's not gonna work
Speaker 1: that last what if? Why don't we take it a
Speaker 1: step further? Take Aaron Rodgers out of Green Bay because
Speaker 1: they've had enough great quarterbacks and just ship him around.
Speaker 1: We get to see him in all different markets, every taste,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers becomes the you know I remember like
Speaker 1: growing up there, Bill Oh, I'm automatic quarterback. He's automatic
Speaker 1: quarterback for the NFL. We were just talking about. That's
Speaker 1: that's very similar to the point we raised, but you
Speaker 1: hammered at home. But the real quarterback, Jake Prescott's calm
Speaker 1: down Actually last week. Last week made me think a
Speaker 1: little differently about old Jake for the first time. I
Speaker 1: mean that was until the interception late in the game.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the best games any
Speaker 1: quarterbacks played. I'll see he's throwing sixty yards down the
Speaker 1: field across his body. He basically played a perfect game.
Speaker 1: He's picking up scrambles on third and five. He was perfect.
Speaker 1: What more do you want, West than a couple of
Speaker 1: six yard bombs on the Moneys aggressive and Mark Paul
Speaker 1: Gossler's body. What else could you want? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I would take several of Aaron Rodgers games over
Speaker 1: that several of Tom Brady's. They gotta get Marlon Mack.
Speaker 1: I know you sounded this drum lastic. I think that
Speaker 1: they're gonna now start giving Marlon Mack the ball a
Speaker 1: little more. That's trying to pick him up. Greg. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a space only back now. I think he
Speaker 1: wants to bounce everything outside. He has a speed to
Speaker 1: do it. But I think he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot better indoors for Indianapolis and outdoors
Speaker 1: on grass. Very fair, very fair. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: There you have it, Lindsay. I was your first show
Speaker 1: behind the glass. It was awesome. It was everything I
Speaker 1: hoped and dreamed. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm serious. Sit down, Um.
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